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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, a kids show if you're brave enough.
We are your child in podcast hosts so we know what's good for them, Taylor and Chelsea,
here today following up on our Dr. Steven Greer episode with its part dose or two for the
English in the front room.
I should really learn to in German so we can do that and be more pure, but I just don't
have the time these days.
No, not even to learn than ever do.
No.
Too busy.
Where we left off, we were just talking about Steven Greer's writings, how he has had some
symposiums that people point to for successes, and from here, what we're going to do is we're
going to talk about his documentaries, which thankfully, you're able to watch some of these
with me.
So I'm very happy that you'll be able to comment, and I was taking notes while we were watching
it, and this was a while ago, so I get to reflect on these notes and really talk about
this.
Oh, I will comment whether I've seen them or not.
He has done, according to his website, five documentaries.
In total, it's about 10 plus hours of documentary.
First one is serious.
It is time for you to know 2013, unacknowledged, and expose the greatest secrets in human history.
Those are the two we watched together.
I think we started watching Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.
Contact has begun in 2020.
That's when it came out, not when we watched it.
The Cosmic Hoax, an expose, and where I had to tap out the last century and how to reclaim
it.
I got about halfway through that.
That's from 2020.
It was just, it's too much a grier for me.
Okay, I was just going to say, why did you tap out?
Okay.
And we'll talk about it when we get to that point, but I just, I could only take so much
at that time.
I'm just like, it's...
I feel like I had my fill with the two and a half that we watched.
From there, we're going to talk about CE5, the very important part of Steven Greer, and
we're going to talk about his interactions with other people in the ufology community.
Chelsea, we sat down and we watched Serious together.
Yeah, it was Serious business.
This was over Thanksgiving in Canada.
We had some alcohol and we just sat down and watched this.
And I think the first thing I just need to make a comment on before I get into my actual
notes, I feel like they got a discount on renting the camera equipment because they
only got a tripod for half of the filming period.
And then the rest, they just put the camera on the ground and angled it up at everybody
because my God, did they just not take complimentary angles in this documentary?
It was the worst camera angles possible.
You know, I can't even remember exactly what Serious was about.
It's about too many things.
I know.
Too many things.
There's too many thoughts in there.
It jumps around a lot.
I find.
And plus those camera angles, who can even concentrate?
It's going to come up in my notes, but I'm just going to start off.
This was my stream of watching it and just reflecting on this documentary.
It started by explaining capitalism and banks and oil.
Then David Wilcock showed up and it turned into an H&A Leans episode.
He then starts selling his CE5 outings.
It's got the closing counters of the fifth kind outings.
And this has all been interspersed with one presentation he is giving.
And then they show a satellite clearly videotaped at a CE5 event and they keep talking about
all this shit it was doing when they weren't filming it.
Right.
And you know, seeing David Wilcock is enough to halt everything for a long time while we
just make fun of David Wilcock.
We had to pause after that and just reflect on the fact that they invited David Wilcock
into this.
Why is he there?
What is so so...
And as we get going, it's going to be even more confusing why David Wilcock's there.
Yeah.
I don't like to see him anywhere really.
They then show the worst interview angle I think they could ever choose.
Steven Greer is sitting on a bar stool and the angle really highlights that he is wearing
sandals with a suit.
Yep.
I would have to stop recording right there if anybody ever came at me with a camera at
that angle.
I'm out guys.
They then turn to start talking about the Atacama body that Chelsea's going to be talking about
in the next episode.
It looks really fake in the documentary.
Looks like they did like a plastic mold of like, I don't know, they put like a plastic
mold over a Kindle.
Does that sound about right Chelsea?
It does look fake, 100%.
I will say that one.
It very well might be a replica, but I don't know if it actually looks like that.
I mean it does.
But at the same time, it looks fake.
Like it doesn't look like a body.
It looks like it's made of plastic.
Like very clearly.
It would not be out of place in a Halloween decoration scene.
Oh, not at all.
If you're trying to make fun of a manger scene and you put like a demon skeleton in the manger,
that's what you would put right there.
After they talk about the Atacama alien, they then move back to talking about different
energy sources.
Then they move.
They interview this engineer who's clearly wearing a hairpiece and or has dyed his hair
a color that is completely wrong for his age category.
It's like 30 years off.
He talks about inertia.
Then they put a meme on the screen and then he's talking about suppressed technologies.
And then we move to talking about 1954 is the year everything went black.
And then what's this?
In 2008, Dr. Steven Greer and the Orion project attempted to buy it.
Right.
This is where the black is talking about like technology improvements when black in 1954.
And then they're talking about trying to buy somebody's technology journal that they wrote
at a silent auction and they got out bid.
But they make it seem like really sketchy.
This is what it says on the screen in 2008.
Dr. Steven Greer and the Orion project attempted to buy Stanley Myers science estate at a silent
auction.
However, they were out bid by an anonymous source.
Is that not how silent auctions work?
Yeah, no, you just write the number on top of it.
Then it goes to you.
And then this is the weirdest part.
I think of the entire documentary.
He really likes to focus in that he's best friends with a Rockefeller who I'm pretty
sure is payrolling him the whole time and got him to move into euthology.
And he makes it like abundantly clear that he really likes the Rockefellers.
Yeah, it comes up on other interviews that he does for sure.
He does name drop Rockefeller a lot.
Which I find really funny is how I perceive it.
But contradicting and damning when he's talking about shady people behind the scenes and Uber
rich people that are playing the strings and he's best friends with a Rockefeller.
Well, not only that, but he's talking about how we're still using fossil fuels.
Yeah, and we'll get into that at some point.
And also in this documentary, he makes it very clear where his political grounds are
because he's really talking about how we need the free market to be able to bring these
technologies forward and supplant oil and gas.
Which I just find the way he phrased it was so iron randian that frankly, it was a little
sickening in my mind.
I spit up a little bit.
Thankfully, we have Medicare here in Canada that I did not have to worry for my life.
But that's how it went.
It's also very apparent with what podcast he chooses to go on his political views, but
we'll keep moving from here.
He then starts talking about this time he met the director of the CIA, his last name
is Woolsey.
He tells a story about how Woolsey was talking to him about aliens.
Woolsey says, oh, there's all this stuff that they won't even let me learn about.
What are you going to tell me?
And he's like taking it as gospel what he's learning from Steven Greer.
And then they put a little asterisk after that statement.
They said, that's not what the director of the CIA says happened.
And then he starts talking about the Phoenix lights.
And somehow he was there during it, despite the fact that he's from North Carolina, which
I find very odd.
It almost seems like he feels like he has to place himself in these important things.
That's the point where I wrote this down, Chelsea.
We lost interest because this is an hour 20, I think ish.
There didn't really.
Those are all the things they went through in that time period.
I know for how much production they put into this is coming out and how much hype he seemed
to have been putting into it.
It was very scattered.
It didn't seem to have a central point that it kind of revolved around.
It seemed to be a bunch of scattered, really random points that were shot horribly.
I agree fully.
It's hard to bring anybody into it to begin with.
I mean, then he starts talking and it's like, and then you see David Wilcock and you're
completely derailed by that.
Who wants to see him?
David Wilcock early, early.
Oh, it was an early David Wilcock.
He looks completely different though.
No, I meant like, sorry, early in the documentary.
It was also early David Wilcock's career.
Yeah.
Both of those.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Oh, and so my next point I made here, which was what I just said, he makes a vague reference
to free markets and then the fact that they put a wrong Paul clip in the movie showed his
political leanings very clearly at that point.
It now turns to 9-11 and David Wilcock fucking shows up again for like five seconds.
That's what I wrote.
That's our synopsis of serious.
I think that's very accurate synopsis from us.
Do you have anything else you want to comment to vote serious?
Oh, I do just because I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast and he's pretty much, I
think he was promoting serious maybe because he talks about a lot.
That was it.
Yeah.
He actually invites Joe Rogan at the end of it to the premiere of serious and that's around
the time where he brings up the point that he's not making much money off of serious
because the production company takes all of it.
And lo and behold, the production company who created it is one serious technology advanced
research LLC or star LLC.
I'm sorry.
Which is Steven Greer's company.
Okay.
I was just going to say is that Steven Greer's company.
You got me fucking kidding me.
You know that.
Oh, thank you.
I've been here for that.
That's a beautiful thing.
I was just going to say that Steven Greer was talking about how he was in Phoenix for
the Phoenix lights and he was hard pressed to tell Joe Rogan why the fuck he was in Phoenix.
Yeah.
I can't even say why I was there.
Oh, well, I was there working on this one thing.
He's hard pressed to stay on anything anywhere that I, you know, Chelsea, we're actually
going to Joe Rogan right.
So why don't you wait until I play this clip and we can talk about Joe.
Okay.
I'm all for eclipse.
Let's hear it.
You know what?
Sorry.
Before we go to Joe Rogan, I do have one thing I wanted to say before that one.
I found this letter that was specifically written by James Woolsey in response to Steven
Greer and the claims he was making.
So it's written by James Woolsey, September 16, 1999.
We talk about who James Woolsey was.
Woolsey's the CIA director that he says that he had that dinner with and even Greer was
told by Woolsey.
Do you remember that part where I said that he has that asterisk in there where Woolsey
speaks to what happened in this conversation?
Thanks for what you talked about it twice now.
This is Woolsey, the CIA director's asterisk.
Dear Dr. Greer, it has just come to the attention of the four of us, that being John Peterson,
Diane Peterson, James Woolsey and Suzanne Woolsey, that you have, without giving any
of us the opportunity to comment, published a distorted account of a dinner party of some
six years ago at which the four of us, you and your wife were seated together.
In the introduction to your book, Extraterrestrial Contact, published earlier this year, you portray
this dinner party conversation during which the four of us listened to your views and
politely asked questions as a briefing with a cover story.
You further assert that Mr. and Mrs. Woolsey reported a UFO sighting to you and agreed
with your views.
You include specific alleged quotations from them.
None of this is accurate.
I love this statement here.
You have portrayed politeness as acquiescence and questions as affirmations.
Your conduct in this matter contravenes both accuracy and simple manners, sincerely the
above mentioned form.
I love that.
That is such a great letter.
That's a great letter.
And anyhow, this is one of the times Joe Rogan's really lost it over the last little while,
but back in the day, he could make some really good points or at least he would cut through
the bullshit.
This is right after Joe Rogan is shown at the trailer for serious.
I think that's around where it stopped watching.
Okay.
Hey everybody, I could not figure out a way to download a YouTube video longer than two
hours.
So I am going to recreate the Joe Rogan part of the episode that we want to incorporate
here.
So if you're ready, I'm going to just.
Recreate it.
You know that guy at the beginning of the video.
Looking guy.
This is your genius, David Wilcock.
You know what that guy is?
Yes, I know that guy.
Do you know that guy also thinks that he is as a per casey and shows you pictures?
I had no idea.
They recording in the dark.
Do you know that he shows you pictures of all his friends and shows you how they look
like a per casey's friends?
I had no idea.
He didn't know that.
Yeah.
Mike wanted to do a little editing.
I cannot know that.
Joe Rogan's voice.
I'm sorry for that.
I love that.
He's like, no, never.
I have.
Mike wanted to do a little editing with that one.
Oh yeah.
No, like.
He made that such an important part of his ethos.
Not saying anything else in your documentary is bullshit, but.
I love this.
That guy makes my lie detector radar go off.
That's what I think of your documentary.
Just first off, I saw David Wilcock.
And if you watch the documentary, yeah, that's one of the first things you see.
Yeah, Stephen Wilcock.
I wonder that there's no way he doesn't know that and he put him in there.
He doesn't care.
I think that's the most important thing there.
And there's two things out of that that you can take with that response to David Wilcock.
Either he doesn't do background checks and especially when he's talking about 700 people
that he's interviewed that are whistleblowers.
And it's news to him that David Wilcock has some weird stuff.
Ah, yeah.
Good point.
Is very telling or he doesn't care, which is also very telling.
I think whatever goes towards this point, just based on everything that I know about
him is what he's going to use.
Anyhow, I don't think he took anything from this because we went into watching Unacknowledged
right after this and David Wilcock's in that.
Oh, and look, Richard Doty.
I get it.
You can have him in things, I guess.
No, you can't.
They put underneath him Richard Doty special agent and that is the entire description they
give for Richard Doty throughout.
And Richard Doty shows up in all the documentaries after this.
I want to do a little editing.
And there's another thing I would love to hear if somebody called him on that one too
to be like Richard Doty is a disinformation agent, right?
Joe Rogan actually asked him about disinformation in this interview and he says, I've heard
it all.
Oh, I can cut through it.
They really have to.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And I think it's a documentary, which I think is a bigger red flag than David fucking Wilcock
being in there.
Not only that, the fact that he was warned about David Wilcock and then from there does
a documentary with Richard Doty and David Wilcock after that just clearly shows he doesn't
care.
Might as well make it worse.
It might not be, doesn't care at this point.
By the time we got to this documentary, there were some red flags being raised for me about
what he is doing.
I mean, just alone from everything we've said in this episode up until this point, there's
a lot of red flags here.
But I will give him some credit.
I feel like it is due.
The documentaries do get better cinematically and thematically after serious.
I didn't see a sandaled foot in an interview after serious.
They seemed to at least stick to a bit more of a theme from there.
Not that it was good, but they were at least more what you could expect.
The production got a little bit better.
From there, the third one is called Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.
He really starts to focus in on his CE5 excursions.
And at this point, I think we should actually talk about the CE5 excursions.
Yeah, let's do that.
If we go right to his website, he has a fairly in-depth explanation of what a CE5 event is.
CE5 is a term describing fifth category of close encounters with extraterrestrial intelligence.
ETI characterized by mutual bilateral communication rather than unilateral contact.
But CE5 initiative has as its central focus bilateral ETI human communication based on
mutual respect and universal principles of exchange and contact.
CE types 1-4 are essentially passive, reactive, and ETI initiated.
A CE5 is distinguished from these by conscious, voluntary, and proactive human initiated or
cooperative contacts with ETI.
Evidence exists indicating that CE5s have successfully occurred in the past and the
inevitable maturing of the human ETI relationship requires greater research and outreach efforts
into the possibility while ultimate control of such contact and exchange will and probably
should remain with the technologically more advanced intelligent life forms.
This does not lessen the importance of consciousness, voluntary human initiatives, contact, and
follow up to conventional CE types 1-4.
C-CETI is the only worldwide effort to concentrate on putting trained teams of investigators
into the field where one, active waves of UFO activity are occurring or two, an attempt
to vector UFOs into a specific area for the purposes of initiating communication.
Contact protocols include the use of lights, sound, and thought.
Thought specifically consciousness is the primary mode of initiating contact.
The CE5 initiative is a scientific and diplomatic program which endeavors to establish a cooperative,
peaceful, and sustainable relationship between humans and any and all ETI peoples which may
visit Earth.
CE5 initiative protocols are used to vector UFOs into an area and then engage them in
a peaceful, cooperative exchange using light, sound, and other modalities.
Working group members are selected according to their ability to engage in this research
in an open-minded and non-projudicial manner which is free from premature, fear-based negative
conclusions regarding the intentions of these visitors to our planning.
The integrity of the diplomatic perspective is fundamental to the success of the CE5
initiative since it's probable that these visitors are capable of assessing the attitudes,
motives, and intentions of the working group's members.
Core principles.
There is strong evidence of the existence of ETI civilizations and spacecrafts.
ETIs and ETs have been and are currently visiting Earth.
Careful bilateral communication between ETIs and humans is of continuing importance and
will increase in the future.
Both humans and ETI as conscious, intelligent beings are essentially more alike than dissimilar.
C-SETI is dedicated to the study of both our shared and unique characteristics.
C-SETI operates on the premise that ETI's net motives and ultimate intentions are peaceful
and non-hostile and it appears probable that more than one extraterrestrial civilization
is responsible for the ETI ETs' contacts.
So far observed, it's likely that this represents a cooperative effort.
And this is a note to people putting these on.
Do not use public land or federal land for a field site to do your contact.
We suggest that you use private property with permission.
And sometimes state parks in the United States can be good locations.
Just make sure you find out if you need a permit, especially for groups of more than
just a few people.
Except for the instructor, you are not using lasers during C-SETI's trainings.
It is best if you minimize using them during your own fieldwork and be careful not to hit
any aircraft or anyone in the eyes.
It is best that just one person in the group be the person that uses the laser to signal.
Chelsea, you can actually find these basically everywhere.
I almost think he franchises it out to do CE5 events.
I don't know if you got to this point in the Joe Rogan episode.
Joe Rogan at one point asked, like, what percentage of the time do you see something when you
go out on a CE5 event?
He says 100% of the time.
Every outing sees some sort of spacecraft.
It's both including satellites?
No, it's UFOs.
Like, that's what he specifically says.
Sorry, I shouldn't say specifically.
It's either spacecraft or like anomalous activity in the sky.
It appears there's a CE5 community group in Vancouver.
Actually there was pre-COVID, a CE5 group in Kelowna too.
So they are like widespread.
But it's weird.
But hey, these people come together for love and whatnot to meet these aliens.
I think we talked about in the last episode how contradicting this view is that you have
to have good intentions to contact these groups.
Yet this evil government secretive group is what they've communicated with and given
all the technology to.
I just find that so weird.
But whatever, we can get past that.
I found a review.
C-CETI CE5 event put on by Steven Greer on November 15, 2009.
This was posted on Amazon by Knowledgeseeker in California.
Let's see what they thought of this whole thing.
This is quite the description here.
I followed Dr. Greer's activity with enthusiasm since 2001 when he established the Disclosure
Project.
I read his books, watched his interviews, and listened to his meditation CDs.
I liked everything this man seemed to be about and shared his views on the need to inform
the public about the presence of extraterrestrial visitors on Earth, the importance of establishing
peaceful contact with visitors, in developing free or low-cost over-unity energy technologies
that would clean the planet, eliminate conflict between nations that bring about a dignified
quality of life and abundance to people all over the world.
I still share these goals.
So it was with great excitement that I signed up for a C-CETI presentation and a one-day
workshop with Dr. Greer that took place on November 13, then 14, 2009 in Costa Mesa,
California to experience and learn C-CETI's contact protocol and to determine whether
it would be worthwhile enrolling in a week-long C-CETI outing with Dr. Greer.
Surprisingly, my preconceived opinion about Dr. Greer's character began to disintegrate
as I listened to his presentation.
It was disheartening to discover he is excessively fascinated with himself, prone to indulge
in name-dropping and in bragging about his fantastic high-end and or in-the-no contacts
and connections, not to mention the multitude of blandish remarks he makes with a straight
face.
It was his impact on the rogue, majestic, secret government, so much so that according
to him he rejected a $2 billion payout to shut up and abandon the ET disclosure issue.
Needless to say, that night I left the auditorium less enthusiastic about what Dr. Greer is
all about, but it was not until the workshop and the outing next day that my opinion about
him really changed, unfortunately for the worst.
Again, during the workshop Dr. Greer devoted some time to self-admiration while attempting
to appear humble by saying, quote, I'm just a country doctor from North Carolina, end
quote.
By then I was becoming quite uncomfortable about him, but as the workshop progressed
my discomfort turned into dismay.
As I watched how rudely he treated some attendees who asked valid questions or made harmless
remarks but whose timing or subject he deemed inappropriate.
I was truly shocked and could not believe my ears and eyes as I watched him lash at them
with such scornful contempt.
It was so bad that I wondered if this man was consciously trying to chase these people away.
Dr. Greer claims to have experienced meditative samadhi or oneness with all.
If so, one would think he would have achieved a certain degree of enlightenment and a sense
of kinship towards his fellow men.
Why then was he so harsh and unkind?
Did he forget that these people paid a significant amount of money not to only listen but to
ask questions as well?
The worst and most disheartening part of this experience was witnessing the C-Seddy's
field contact protocol. At the site, a number of devices such as radio transmitters, magnetometers,
radar detectors, infrared scopes, etc. were arranged.
Even though I don't doubt, Dr. Greer may have had several ET experiences in the past.
What I observed in the field that night is inconsistent with his hyperbolic claims suggesting
he can vector ET's and make them appear.
His actions and the facts demonstrated that at the very least this is a bold exaggeration.
Not surprisingly, to cover up for this assertion, Dr. Greer made sure to bring out a series
of possibilities for a no-show prior to the field excursion.
According to him, sometimes ET's might not appear because, quote, there is someone in
the group without good intent and a clean heart, or the ET's feel threatened by US
military, or even though they won't fully materialize, they will manifest in a thousand
other ways, end quotes.
Wow. I love that review.
There's more. Conveniently, there were plenty of people at hand, mostly staff, who would
come forward to state that while meditating they saw this or heard that.
Most amusing, though, were Dr. Greer's remarks at the beeps and sounds made by the electronic
equipment.
You see, according to him, an ET he named Walter communicates via one of these electronic
devices and Dr. Greer is able to recognize which beeps he makes.
Additionally, the large quantity of wow and oh my god remarks coming out of Dr. Greer's
mouth over unseen or imaginary non-events was sadly hilarious.
Oftentimes he would point his mega laser beam at some spot in the sky and claim he was seeing
a partly materialized ET craft.
Of course, anyone else saw nothing, even though according to him, many significant events
were taking place that night because we were such a great group.
Make matters worse, Dr. Greer supplemented the lack of any occurrence with information
he received via remote viewing.
I found this charade insulting to my intelligence, intuitiveness, and psychic sensibilities.
I know ET's were not present that night and I would have respected Dr. Greer if he had
been forthright and acknowledged the fact that there was no activity.
I would understand, it happens.
Because I experienced first hand Dr. Greer's tendencies to fabricate, exaggerate, and embellish
non-events at the Seasetty Field Trip, it then follows that the accuracy and validity
of everything he claims in his books is in question since it's evident that, at the
very least he stretches the truth to the point where it becomes short of being an outright
lie.
In the past, whenever I would read negative reviews about Dr. Greer, especially ones describing
him as self-centered narcissist, I would reject them and conclude that they were made by people
who couldn't handle the truth.
But based on what I saw on experience first hand, it appears Dr. Greer is in love with
himself and because he sees himself above others, he dislikes most people.
However, he desperately craves their attention so he created this ET disclosure platform
to attract as large an audience as possible in order to obtain the recognition and adulation
he sorely needs.
In essence, regardless of the message, this messenger is so flawed, one must question
the purity and true nature of his motivations.
His books, conferences, and Seasetty outings may be more about the money they bring in
than the message itself.
Furthermore, unless you enjoy watching people being mistreated by Dr. Greer and don't
mind embarking on a pathetic farce, I recommend you put your money elsewhere instead of spending
it in any of his Seasetty excursions.
That's that description of the training event.
Wow, that was incredible.
You know what?
I haven't personally been to one, but I totally get those vibes from him.
Next up from here, Chelsea, we're going to read an article from The Washington Examiner
posted July 31, 2020 by Tom Rogan, article title.
Did Steven Greer fake a UFO with flares?
Oh no.
I mean, oh no, but I can totally see it for him.
Yeah.
Dr. Steven Greer likes to suggest that he is in regular contact with extraterrestrials
who are visiting Earth.
Kindly, if for a price, Greer offers to train others in this close encounter of the fifth
kind contact protocols.
But is Greer really in contact with NADF objects or what the military referred to as
Unitide Aerial Phenomena?
UAPs?
Well, like the US military, I'm very confident that some UFOs are true unknowns, but not
belonging to China, the United States or Russia.
That said, I'm not convinced these objects are what Greer is seeing or communicating
with.
A January 27, 2015 Greer Contact event in Florida offers a base, a case in point.
That date saw Greer leading an expedition at Vera Beach on Florida's east coast.
Greer's website says that his week-long expedition come with a tuition fee of $2,500 to $3,500
depending on facility costs.
The website explains that all of the ambassadors to the universe, trainings, are similar.
All participants are expected to complete the return liabilities release, confidentiality
agreement and ambassador agreement, which will be sent after they have paid and registered.
And it's only sent after they've paid and registered.
Back to January 27, 2015, when Greer's expedition claimed to have summoned two UFOs.
Video of the sighting was posted to Greer's YouTube channel and the incident was first
case listed on the photographic and video evidence page of Greer's website.
The video introduction says, the event occurred between 9.10 and 9.15pm and was a result of
the invitation initiated by members using coherent thought and meditation practices,
also known as CE5 protocols.
The video's description states there were no boats or ships seen anywhere in the area
of the object and there were no jets or planes or other airborne objects anywhere near the
object before, during or after the event.
That's not true, but let's not jump the gun.
The video starts with one bright orange light appearing off the coast.
Greer is heard directing a person to please turn off your night scope.
Note that a night scope would assist in detecting low visibility aircrafts in the vicinity.
Shortly thereafter, a second light appears off the coast to the left of the first light.
Greer confirms that these are indeed UFOs.
Sorry, question?
No, I'm reacting to this.
What?
I'm looking with the night scope.
There's no smoke.
There's no trail.
These are not flares, he continues.
They are waiting for us to arrive.
A few seconds later, Greer implores his group.
Let's welcome the beings on board to join us in meditation.
That is such a beautiful color.
See, you'll never forget that color, he says.
This is huge, one person who says, Greer agrees.
Yes, this is a major event.
At the 3 minute 32 second mark, the first light disappears, ignoring the light's slow
but obvious altitude decline.
Greer states that, quote, they've stayed pretty much the same altitude, though let's
invite them to come as close as they can, end quote.
At the 411 mark, the second light dissipates while the second light is quite obviously
above the water as it fades out.
Greer quickly states, quote, oh, that's gone into the ocean.
See what it did, end quote.
Greer concludes, quote, now the way that you know that's not like something like a flare,
first of all, it didn't shoot up and then come down, end quote.
The video fades out.
We then see a series of other photos and videos of the same event.
But were these UFOs or were they something more terrestrial?
Well, Flight Aware Flight Tracking data obtained by the Washington Examiner suggests the latter
is true.
At 9-11 PM on January 27, 2015, a Beach 76 Dutchess registered N110SU was recorded flying
at 85 miles per hour off of the Euro Beach.
This is slower than the aircraft's normal cruise speed and will feasibly allow the
aircrew to deploy parachuted flares or some other illumination devices.
The aircraft took off and returned to the airport in Fort Peace.
The screenshot below shows the aircraft's location at the time of the event, which is
just outside of where they're sitting.
The owner of the aircraft is listed to by the Ferradural Aviation Administration as
Airy Ben Aviator Incorporated.
The website for the Fort Pierce-based Flight School, Aviator College of Aeronautical Science
and Technology lists Michael Cohen as its president and CEO, and the owner and only
president of Air Ben Aviator since its inception.
The website explains that Cohen has 33 years of experience with managing successful flight
training school in all areas including advertising and recruiting.
The section between Air Ben Aviator and Airy Ben Aviator seems to be a spelling mistake.
Florida State Business Records lists Cohen as the owner of both the Aviator School and
Airy Ben Aviators.
When I reached out to the Aviators College to ask about the January 27, 2015 flight,
Director of Maintenance Christopher Spear told me that the director never does things
like drop flares.
After sending Spear a copy of the flight record, he did not respond to any further emails,
and, incidentally, another aircraft listed to Airy Ben Aviator was forced to land on
a section of Interstate 95 in Florida on January 30, 2017 after running out of fuel.
The top line, however, is that the flight was in place and time that the witnesses saw
the lights.
I thus offer a pretty confident assessment that what was seen off Viro Beach that night
were not UFOs but in fact flares of some kind.
Frankly, the fact that there was a plane there and he said not to use the night vision lights
lenses really is it.
No, I can't remember where I got this quote from, but I'm just going to read it because
I feel like it needs to be.
I'm sorry I will find it if anybody sues us for a slander, but outside of that, you guys
just gotta trust me it's on the internet somewhere.
Somebody watch unacknowledged and really got spicy that Doty was in it.
Regarding Doty, anyone who believes his latest offering of BS, as presented in Stephen Greer's
new film, is utterly naive and deserves to be duped.
As the following link will reveal, Doty's long deplorable track record of disseminating
utterly false information about the UFO phenomenon, and the US government's knowledge of it is
remarkable and continues to this day.
Whether or not this current utterance merely serves his personal need to screw with persons
such as Greer and the rest of us, or instead the latest chapter in his involvement in the
government's efforts to confuse and misdirect public interest in the UFO topic, it's unknown.
However, given Doty's many disreputable actions over the years, one needs to review and understand
his history before attempting to evaluate his most recent public claims.
And if you want more information, we did a multi-episode arc on Richard Doty, go listen
to them.
Because he is a piece of shit.
I even think just calling him an asshole of the UFO community is above him.
He's not.
He is a piece of shit.
Yeah, you need to go listen to the...
I think it's a three-parter actually, two or three parts.
You gotta go listen to it.
You gotta to know the full scope of how big of an asshole this guy is.
Another thing that came up in the Joe Rogan episode, he's a firm believer in Majestic
12 because he says that he is in possession of the original documents for it, which we've
done an episode on.
They are not real in any way.
He's also a firm believer in Roswell, despite the fact again there's not a lot of evidence
behind Roswell.
Well, Roswell the Crash and Roswell with the bodies I think are two totally different.
He's more so the alien bodies one.
You definitely start questioning where he's going with all of this once he starts seeing
these ties and keeps coming and going.
In the next documentary, he throws somebody under the bus, Luelle Isondo.
He basically says that he's a disinformation agent of the government and he admitted it
to a lawyer that he has on the documentary and he has the lawyer say it basically in
the documentary that this guy admitted this to him.
And Chelsea, I need to play a video.
I know what I was gonna say.
So we've seen come up so far.
He's calling BS on Luelle Isondo.
So far, he's had David Wilcock in his episode, which David Wilcock hasn't put disinformation
out there that we know he's a bullshitter.
He's probably not putting out anything that's true.
So he has doting in his documentaries, con artist David Wilcock, and now he has ties
to Bill Moore with the Majestic 12 and he's talking about the Roswell bodies.
That's not looking good for him.
Next we're just gonna start hitting on.
There's one thing about Steven Greer and I think that this is unique to him as an asshole
is that he has a wholly entirely different perspective on aliens from everybody else.
And if you don't line up with him, he will call you out as a liar.
Either you're spreading disinformation because you have been handed information that was
wrong or you're lying to everybody to change their perspective.
And you even heard that he said that Luelle Isondo is lying as is Nick Pope, who again
has a fairly good reputation within the UFO community.
So I just have a ton of people who he's either made a statement about or they've had to
make a statement about Steven Greer just because he said things about them.
So they have to say things back and they're all uncomfortable about it.
You know what?
I should start.
Before we get there, I do have to talk about his I listen to I think it's a two hour episode
of the Patrick Bet David podcast, PBD, which is a person's name.
It's also the correct answer to who did Patrick Bet.
It's a whole sentence in itself technically.
It's a bad joke.
Don't worry about it.
He hits on all the key points he always does, but there were some points in it that I just
found hilariously awkward.
First and foremost, because this is a very right wing podcast, he just completely avoids
talking about climate change.
Kind of brings it up awkwardly at one point and immediately changes the subject.
And another point, he talks about how 15 or so people in his crew have been murdered by
the secret government.
And when PBD asks him about it, he specifically says, Oh, well, they have like 150 different
ways to cause cancer.
Oh, okay.
So there's just people around you who have died from cancer.
Got it.
And then he says that they tried to murder him by cutting a bar on his bike.
So that when he went mountain biking, he would have come brashing off and die, which immediately
after talking about how people were murdered in his crew in a much more sophisticated way.
And then PBD wants to get into the specifics of who's actually part of like the dark government,
just they that he keeps talking about, and he just keeps saying names of CEOs and it's
just hilarious.
No, PBD says names and he's like, like, I want to know who like, is it Jamie Dimon?
He's like, he has a very awkward way of answering it where he says like, it could be, but I'm
not 100% sure.
So they just go for like five minutes.
He's saying names and he's awkwardly answering the questions.
Overall, I can't recommend listening to the PBD podcast because he's a right-wing birth
that made a lot of his money through MLMs in the insurance industry.
So I can't really recommend it, but it was hilariously awkward.
So from there, PBD had Louie Elizondo on.
He specifically asks Lou, Hey, what do you think of Stephen Greer?
This is what said.
Stephen Greer, what are your thoughts on Stephen Greer?
I don't know him.
So I don't, I don't ever usually have an opinion on anybody.
Never talk about anybody.
If I haven't had a chance to meet them personally.
So I had him on for the second time two months ago.
And are you familiar with Sean Ryan, podcast or Sean Ryan?
He had Greer on.
Rob, can you pull up that one clip?
Because this is, this is the part where it's kind of like, you know, I think I'm aware
of it.
I know the one you're going to show.
Yeah.
There's a couple of them.
I want to show this one to you or two.
I want to see what you're going to say about it.
Go ahead.
I've got these disinformation agents, these knocks.
I have somebody that comes to mind and we were talking about him at lunch.
Lou Elizondo, is he one of them?
Oh, of course.
I mean, you know, as soon as he emerged on the stage, I had a very senior guy, CIA, who's
worked this issue since 1979.
Contact me about that problem.
But remember, the only way that you can control at this point, all this coming out because
of what we have and what we're pushing forward through media, is to control the narrative,
the spin.
So the people coming forward who get an all access pass on to say 60 minutes or something
like that, are people cleared by this same illegal corrupt organization because they'll
tell the public, yes, the UAPs are real, but we don't know what they are.
Well, this is an absolute lie.
We absolutely know what they are.
Some of them are ours, manmade, and are confused quite frequently with the others, which are
of extraterrestrial origin or ETVs, extraterrestrial vehicles.
And those operatives are taught very well to take an issue, grab it, capture it, and
spin it in the direction that they want.
Now, the direction they want is endless ambiguity.
Gee, we don't know what they are.
We don't know what they are.
It's nonsense.
We proven what they are.
Well, I have 755 whistleblowers.
You have 755 whistleblowers?
Yeah.
I mean, this archive is unbelievable.
You had mentioned that you...
What do you think about what he says?
Because...
Well, where are the whistleblowers?
I mean, I'll tell you, isn't he the same guy they wrote an article about, if I'm not mistaken,
who apparently was accused of taking people on a tour and then paying some dude to like
500 bucks to drop flares out of a Cessna?
Is that the same guy?
I don't know that.
I think there was an article.
We can...
I think it was done by the debrief, I think.
Anyways, you know, my mom always told me if I have nothing kind to say, don't say it
all, so I've never met the man.
But you know, look, it's nonsense.
I don't know what to tell you, man.
I mean, look, where are the whistleblowers?
You know, when I went to the IG, you know, and had my conversation, I didn't see anyone.
You know, I know the ones that we talked to, we go to Congress, we talk to Congress.
I haven't seen him.
Is that the one you were talking about?
That's it.
So there's that.
We don't have to go over that article because we've read that.
And this is...
He gives me specifically...
This is fully just my opinion.
I have to state this here.
He gives me cult leader vibes and that he is welcoming.
He provides a positive outlook to the exterior.
But if you contradict him or don't pay service to him as the expert or the master, he will
cut you down.
Not quite as extreme as this, though, because he is.
So if you contradict him in any way, you're out.
But weirdly enough, David Wilcock avoids this.
And I think it is because he kisses the ring every time he needs to.
And I also think he's willing to throw people under the bus, but we'll get to there at a
certain point.
Anyhow, and that's what...
His view makes no sense, like I've said before, because these are peaceful aliens, yet the
bad guys have ended up with that technology.
So it doesn't make any sense.
So of course, in his mind, the animal mutilation has to be going on from the government itself.
So this is... he's had to comment on little Malton Howe before, and she has a comment
about...
I mean, he hasn't had to, has he?
He wanted to, I should probably say.
Just because I watched Stephen Greer's latest documentary over the weekend, which I wasn't
a big fan of, but he alleged in this documentary that all extraterrestrial life only wants
peace, and he claimed that any cattle mutilations or abductions are only the US government
trying to trick people into a false alien war.
What's your opinion on that?
Who is he working for?
Because that is counterintelligence lie.
I think himself, to try and get people to buy his products and so forth.
That's a naive comment.
I've given you just a glimpse of the forensic evidence that you or anybody who went to investigate
an animal mutilation, you would find it's repeatable.
It's repeatable forensic evidence.
It is the pristinous, not the gore.
There is no gore.
There's no blood.
There's no fluid.
And I think that's probably far enough in there.
That first comment is probably the best that we need from that.
I think he's right.
I think she's right.
Unfortunately, I think we're running out of time now, so I can't get into too many more
of these.
I have statements from Edgar Mitchell.
I really love Stephen Greer in one video, throws Corey Good and Tom DeLong under the
bus in the same 10 minute period.
He also makes a really fun point.
He throws them under the bus.
Because Corey Good is part of the secret space program, like that he was a kid when he was
doing that, which can't be there were evil aliens out there, which isn't part of the
mythos of Stephen Greer.
They're all good aliens.
So he has to throw them under the bus.
And because he has been brought in with Tom DeLong, he has to throw him under the bus
for being misdirected by bad people within the community too.
And this is just another contradiction of Stephen Greer.
He has David Wilcock in his fucking doctor.
I know who basically believes the same thing, which is my mind.
David Wilcock through Corey Good under the bus to get in there.
He seems like the type who will burn a bridge to climb a mountain or something like that.
Oh yeah.
We know what you're getting.
He also made the point in that video too that I just find kind of funny and it is correct.
It's kind of racist to believe that an alien species is entirely evil.
Like there's good and bad within everything.
I'm like at the same time, that's funny because you believe every alien species is inherently
good.
So what do you say in here?
About us.
I mean, you assume the same.
And then I have a quote from Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut who got involved with both
Stephen Greer and the alien side.
Quote, I cooperated with Stephen Greer some years ago, but he began to overreach his
data continuously, necessitating a withdrawal by myself.
And I believe several others.
I have requested to be removed from any website announcements, DTC, but see that has not taken
place.
He shows up in a lot of the documentaries being quoted.
Yeah, I saw that.
And you know, that's the second time that's come up in this episode alone.
Yeah.
Taking his word for it.
New guy on the scene, David Grusk, had somebody post this to Twitter for him.
I took my job very seriously and early on I allowed various individuals that alleged
they had information to speak their truth as part of my evaluation process.
I've not been mentored by anyone and my public disclosure has been done independently under
my own free will.
I emphatically requested Stephen Greer cease using my name to promote his personal agenda.
End of statement.
I have to end this off with a few Reddit posts just because that's how we got to do things
here.
Oh yeah, that's my favorite place on this one.
This one has some pretty damning stuff in it.
First thing here is by Esco Paul two years ago.
I am a fan of Spacetope Radio.
The host mentioned one of his lifetime band guests is Greer.
Greer demanded money to be on his show and a full list of every question before he was
on.
He also mentioned that he likes to engage in friendly conversation, not regimented interviews.
Greer makes it sound like he is in person briefing presidents and other high ups about
the phenomenon, which came up in the documentary.
He talked about Clinton and Obama and Bush on that.
He specifically briefed them.
A well-respective researcher, I forget who, but I think it was Stanton Freeman, looked
into it and found some of his briefing packets in presidential libraries, unopened and marked
unread.
Doesn't prove anything, but most likely he just mails his briefings in and makes the
claims he gives them in person.
And this last one here is where I'm going to end this podcast episode off, is by Big
Tay Tay four years ago.
I tend to stay away from this sub because it developed into mostly bullshit, but in the
name of trying to steer people towards real information, I'll chip in my opinion.
Steven Greer is an outright fraud.
When he first came out with his involvement with aliens, he was way more humble, way more
transparent, but a few years in he was giving talks, making videos, etc.
His demeanor and ego has changed drastically.
He speaks as if he is the end all be all of alien and alien information, and he's made
millions.
All the photos I've seen that he gives for sightings amount to blurry amorphous blobs
that look like a figure if you try to believe it is.
Ask yourself this, if this man truly wanted to bring aliens to the forefront of the world's
consciousness, why is he creating such an exclusive setting to quote, interact and quote
with them?
Why is he charging 8 grand to see aliens and ships?
And he just so happens to be able to conjure them at will?
He went from truther speaking at small conventions to basically being the summoner of aliens.
Now whenever pushed about where he gets his information, it's either from dead people
or I won't give out personal information to keep them safe.
No, I think he sees that people are gullible and desperate to believe in something larger
than themselves and he capitalizes on it.
He takes advantage of these people, he has successfully merged alien and new age cons.
There is real information out there on the extent of aliens and spacecraft such as the
massive dump from the Department of Defense, but guys like this are just exploiting people.
And Chelsea, Lou Elizondo brought this up too.
It's amazing that there are congressional hearings on UFOs that have happened over the
years.
He has never been invited and I do find that damning.
And that's the thing about him talking out about the people on Tuesdays?
Lou Elizondo literally, I think it was this the week we record this, was in a briefing
with Congress for UFO disclosure.
I don't say that makes him more credible or not, well, I do say it does make him more
credible, but yeah, it's just kind of crazy that they've never like he says that he's
talked to presidents and he doesn't get invited to these things.
And he has to fake that he's doing these types of things by having his seminars at the National
Press Conference.
Well, that was my point.
Like does he, Stephen Greer says that he's pushing for disclosure of some sort, right?
He has the disclosure project, right?
Yes.
Okay.
So why is he not like, why is he specifically speaking out about how their disinformation
agents when he's manning the disclosure project, like he should be happy, it's disclosed.
Two, he's talking about these guys are all being fed disinformation.
He claims that he has 755 whistleblowers who have talked to him and he even fully admits
at best 10% of people who are talking are actually giving you real information.
So did he interview 7500 people and he has it down to 755 best or is he just not care?
And it's just like anybody will talk to him.
He can add to that number.
Either that or 755 is the 10% of the number.
You best know that that is not the 10% number.
That is every single person that's ever talked and he's taking liberties with because so
many people have said he took me being polite as saying so and so.
Yeah, agreeing and in fact adding to his story.
And in fact, I could fully see it just being he made up the number and 755 seems believable.
Yeah, just because it's a weird level though.
It's like a super high number.
Like it would be more believable if it was like 89 whistleblowers.
I had spoken to three whistleblowers like that in my own mind, but blow my look.
I feel like even if you were like I vetted them and their stories are so like I've talked
to many more but three of them.
I've talked to 100s three of them incredible.
Yeah, yeah, that's enough.
That's enough.
And I think Chelsea at this point I should comment on because he's always going by doctor
and we I even mentioned like he's not a doctor of anything that he's doing anymore, but whatever
technically has that degree.
I personally think this is my opinion on the timeline that he was on.
He wasn't a very good doctor and he even says like he forewent a very successful medical
career to do this.
He graduated in 87.
He got his medical license in 89 and I'm not quite sure how residency worked in North
Carolina, but by 94 he was doing this permanently.
And I know residency nowadays takes at least five years, which in my mind would mean that
he didn't even really get to the point of actually practicing as a doctor.
I don't know for sure because you can't find any information on him before that Larry
King interview.
But I don't think he was a very good doctor, but I would love for him to refute that like
give some information on that.
I am open for being refuted on that, but there's some stuff that he is so big.
Yeah, well, I'm like, I'm fully admitted.
I practice as a lawyer.
I didn't do it that long and I didn't like it and I don't think it would long term.
Babe, I wouldn't have been that successful at it because I'm not the right personality
for it.
But I'm open about that.
Him.
I think that's kind of the same thing that he was going about.
He happened to have a rich friend who got him down the right path in a Rockefeller, but
he plays that person up so well and he has made a killing at this.
Is this?
Oh, no, it's not a public company.
So we wouldn't know how much he's actually earning from the production company.
It's disappointing.
And very sneaky of him to say that he made nothing from it.
It was all the production company.
It's a very sneaky way to put it.
As soon as I saw that, I knew that he was full.
Like there's so many things that done that, but I was like, oh, he is sneaky with his words.
My impressions, even just watching you've taken in a lot more Steven Greer content.
Too much.
And I'm very, I'm scared to log into YouTube at this point, Chelsea.
You share it.
I know it's another related content pops up.
You shared some really good reviews.
You know what I've also realized after this?
I find something to take away from this is that extreme right wing conservative side
media is much more willing to allow hobbies to be a pipeline to their side of politics
in that if you're just somebody who likes UFOs, you're going to end up on right wing
media at some point watching one of your guys talking.
And it just opens you up to that side.
Whereas left wing media does not do that.
Oh, gross.
Yeah.
It's at least something for me.
I've taken away from this that I don't know what to do with, but I feel like it is important.
It should be noted.
There's an implication there.
Yeah.
Well, and it's entirely, have you heard about the conspiratoriality movement where it's
like all the hippies who were into crystals and anti-vax are now Moga diehards?
And I think it was because they got caught by this pipeline like that.
I mean, that would make sense.
Yeah.
So I think you got some really good interviews, some really good rebuttals from people who
Steven Grer has spoken out about within the community.
My impression by the time we got to the end slash beginning of that one was exactly who
is Steven Greer in the back pocket of because we saw.
I don't think he's in the back pocket of anybody.
I think he's out to enrich himself and he has created this movement that is very particular
to him and he treats it like a cult.
Yes.
Fully my opinion.
And my opinion as well.
Maybe back pocket wasn't the right word, but he definitely has some cult traits.
But I think he is also being fed information and Linda Moltenhalle is right in who is he
working for because he has a lot of suspicious.
That's actually a good point.
And by what I mean is I don't think anybody like he's like taking it is disinformation
to feed out.
I think he's building something.
It's like ancillary to what he's actually doing spreading disinformation.
He just wants to make a buck.
Oh yeah.
I mean yeah and have his cult.
He's just loving the attention and it's just like David Wilcock as well.
But he has a super elitist way of looking at this kind of stuff which you see it over
and over again in this community, which is why we have so many ass-lips.
And they all have similar personality traits to get to.
Which is why they end up weird.
And three of them end up in the same documentary.
Yeah.
And to be able to make a career out of something like this.
It takes a certain personality to get there.
There are many a red flag with Steven Greer starting with how he is so happily tied to
a Rockefeller in which he's also in the same breast saying we are still on fossil fuels
and that's bad.
Then we see Dodie.
Then we see David Wilcock and then we see a lot of other really weird things.
So many things.
So many things in one documentary.
Yeah.
Combined with how vague he is about who he's actually talking to and what he's done mixed
with some exaggeration and lying.
This guy is top of the ass-lips.
And if you wanted to attend his CE5 ocean event on the Caribbean cruise on April 6th,
2025, you should check it out on his website.
Anyhow, I think that's far enough for this guy.
We've spent way too long on this and it could just keep going.
We might revisit him in the near future.
Anyhow, I have been Taylor.
Here we're Chelsea.
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