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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, a kids show if you're brave enough.

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We are your child in podcast hosts so we know what's good for them, Taylor and Chelsea,

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here today following up on our Dr. Steven Greer episode with its part dose or two for the

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English in the front room.

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I should really learn to in German so we can do that and be more pure, but I just don't

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have the time these days.

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No, not even to learn than ever do.

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No.

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Too busy.

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Where we left off, we were just talking about Steven Greer's writings, how he has had some

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symposiums that people point to for successes, and from here, what we're going to do is we're

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going to talk about his documentaries, which thankfully, you're able to watch some of these

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with me.

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So I'm very happy that you'll be able to comment, and I was taking notes while we were watching

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it, and this was a while ago, so I get to reflect on these notes and really talk about

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this.

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Oh, I will comment whether I've seen them or not.

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He has done, according to his website, five documentaries.

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In total, it's about 10 plus hours of documentary.

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First one is serious.

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It is time for you to know 2013, unacknowledged, and expose the greatest secrets in human history.

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Those are the two we watched together.

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I think we started watching Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.

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Contact has begun in 2020.

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That's when it came out, not when we watched it.

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The Cosmic Hoax, an expose, and where I had to tap out the last century and how to reclaim

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it.

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I got about halfway through that.

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That's from 2020.

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It was just, it's too much a grier for me.

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Okay, I was just going to say, why did you tap out?

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And we'll talk about it when we get to that point, but I just, I could only take so much

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at that time.

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I'm just like, it's...

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I feel like I had my fill with the two and a half that we watched.

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From there, we're going to talk about CE5, the very important part of Steven Greer, and

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we're going to talk about his interactions with other people in the ufology community.

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Chelsea, we sat down and we watched Serious together.

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Yeah, it was Serious business.

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This was over Thanksgiving in Canada.

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We had some alcohol and we just sat down and watched this.

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And I think the first thing I just need to make a comment on before I get into my actual

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notes, I feel like they got a discount on renting the camera equipment because they

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only got a tripod for half of the filming period.

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And then the rest, they just put the camera on the ground and angled it up at everybody

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because my God, did they just not take complimentary angles in this documentary?

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It was the worst camera angles possible.

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You know, I can't even remember exactly what Serious was about.

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It's about too many things.

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I know.

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Too many things.

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There's too many thoughts in there.

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It jumps around a lot.

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I find.

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And plus those camera angles, who can even concentrate?

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It's going to come up in my notes, but I'm just going to start off.

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This was my stream of watching it and just reflecting on this documentary.

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It started by explaining capitalism and banks and oil.

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Then David Wilcock showed up and it turned into an H&A Leans episode.

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He then starts selling his CE5 outings.

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It's got the closing counters of the fifth kind outings.

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And this has all been interspersed with one presentation he is giving.

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And then they show a satellite clearly videotaped at a CE5 event and they keep talking about

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all this shit it was doing when they weren't filming it.

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And you know, seeing David Wilcock is enough to halt everything for a long time while we

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just make fun of David Wilcock.

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We had to pause after that and just reflect on the fact that they invited David Wilcock

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into this.

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Why is he there?

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What is so so...

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And as we get going, it's going to be even more confusing why David Wilcock's there.

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I don't like to see him anywhere really.

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They then show the worst interview angle I think they could ever choose.

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Steven Greer is sitting on a bar stool and the angle really highlights that he is wearing

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sandals with a suit.

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I would have to stop recording right there if anybody ever came at me with a camera at

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I'm out guys.

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They then turn to start talking about the Atacama body that Chelsea's going to be talking about

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in the next episode.

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It looks really fake in the documentary.

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Looks like they did like a plastic mold of like, I don't know, they put like a plastic

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mold over a Kindle.

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Does that sound about right Chelsea?

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It does look fake, 100%.

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I will say that one.

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It very well might be a replica, but I don't know if it actually looks like that.

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I mean it does.

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But at the same time, it looks fake.

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Like it doesn't look like a body.

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It looks like it's made of plastic.

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Like very clearly.

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It would not be out of place in a Halloween decoration scene.

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Oh, not at all.

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If you're trying to make fun of a manger scene and you put like a demon skeleton in the manger,

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that's what you would put right there.

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After they talk about the Atacama alien, they then move back to talking about different

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energy sources.

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They interview this engineer who's clearly wearing a hairpiece and or has dyed his hair

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a color that is completely wrong for his age category.

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It's like 30 years off.

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He talks about inertia.

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Then they put a meme on the screen and then he's talking about suppressed technologies.

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And then we move to talking about 1954 is the year everything went black.

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And then what's this?

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In 2008, Dr. Steven Greer and the Orion project attempted to buy it.

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Right.

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This is where the black is talking about like technology improvements when black in 1954.

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And then they're talking about trying to buy somebody's technology journal that they wrote

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at a silent auction and they got out bid.

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But they make it seem like really sketchy.

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This is what it says on the screen in 2008.

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Dr. Steven Greer and the Orion project attempted to buy Stanley Myers science estate at a silent

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auction.

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However, they were out bid by an anonymous source.

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Is that not how silent auctions work?

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Yeah, no, you just write the number on top of it.

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Then it goes to you.

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And then this is the weirdest part.

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I think of the entire documentary.

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He really likes to focus in that he's best friends with a Rockefeller who I'm pretty

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sure is payrolling him the whole time and got him to move into euthology.

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And he makes it like abundantly clear that he really likes the Rockefellers.

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Yeah, it comes up on other interviews that he does for sure.

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He does name drop Rockefeller a lot.

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Which I find really funny is how I perceive it.

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But contradicting and damning when he's talking about shady people behind the scenes and Uber

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rich people that are playing the strings and he's best friends with a Rockefeller.

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Well, not only that, but he's talking about how we're still using fossil fuels.

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Yeah, and we'll get into that at some point.

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And also in this documentary, he makes it very clear where his political grounds are

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because he's really talking about how we need the free market to be able to bring these

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technologies forward and supplant oil and gas.

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Which I just find the way he phrased it was so iron randian that frankly, it was a little

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sickening in my mind.

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I spit up a little bit.

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Thankfully, we have Medicare here in Canada that I did not have to worry for my life.

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But that's how it went.

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It's also very apparent with what podcast he chooses to go on his political views, but

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we'll keep moving from here.

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He then starts talking about this time he met the director of the CIA, his last name

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is Woolsey.

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He tells a story about how Woolsey was talking to him about aliens.

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Woolsey says, oh, there's all this stuff that they won't even let me learn about.

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What are you going to tell me?

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And he's like taking it as gospel what he's learning from Steven Greer.

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And then they put a little asterisk after that statement.

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They said, that's not what the director of the CIA says happened.

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And then he starts talking about the Phoenix lights.

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And somehow he was there during it, despite the fact that he's from North Carolina, which

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I find very odd.

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It almost seems like he feels like he has to place himself in these important things.

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That's the point where I wrote this down, Chelsea.

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We lost interest because this is an hour 20, I think ish.

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There didn't really.

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Those are all the things they went through in that time period.

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I know for how much production they put into this is coming out and how much hype he seemed

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to have been putting into it.

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It was very scattered.

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It didn't seem to have a central point that it kind of revolved around.

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It seemed to be a bunch of scattered, really random points that were shot horribly.

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I agree fully.

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It's hard to bring anybody into it to begin with.

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I mean, then he starts talking and it's like, and then you see David Wilcock and you're

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completely derailed by that.

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Who wants to see him?

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David Wilcock early, early.

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Oh, it was an early David Wilcock.

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He looks completely different though.

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No, I meant like, sorry, early in the documentary.

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It was also early David Wilcock's career.

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Both of those.

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But yeah.

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Oh, and so my next point I made here, which was what I just said, he makes a vague reference

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to free markets and then the fact that they put a wrong Paul clip in the movie showed his

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political leanings very clearly at that point.

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It now turns to 9-11 and David Wilcock fucking shows up again for like five seconds.

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That's what I wrote.

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That's our synopsis of serious.

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I think that's very accurate synopsis from us.

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Do you have anything else you want to comment to vote serious?

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Oh, I do just because I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast and he's pretty much, I

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think he was promoting serious maybe because he talks about a lot.

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That was it.

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He actually invites Joe Rogan at the end of it to the premiere of serious and that's around

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the time where he brings up the point that he's not making much money off of serious

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because the production company takes all of it.

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And lo and behold, the production company who created it is one serious technology advanced

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research LLC or star LLC.

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I'm sorry.

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Which is Steven Greer's company.

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I was just going to say is that Steven Greer's company.

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You got me fucking kidding me.

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You know that.

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Oh, thank you.

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I've been here for that.

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That's a beautiful thing.

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I was just going to say that Steven Greer was talking about how he was in Phoenix for

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the Phoenix lights and he was hard pressed to tell Joe Rogan why the fuck he was in Phoenix.

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I can't even say why I was there.

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Oh, well, I was there working on this one thing.

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He's hard pressed to stay on anything anywhere that I, you know, Chelsea, we're actually

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going to Joe Rogan right.

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So why don't you wait until I play this clip and we can talk about Joe.

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I'm all for eclipse.

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Let's hear it.

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You know what?

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Sorry.

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Before we go to Joe Rogan, I do have one thing I wanted to say before that one.

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I found this letter that was specifically written by James Woolsey in response to Steven

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Greer and the claims he was making.

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So it's written by James Woolsey, September 16, 1999.

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We talk about who James Woolsey was.

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Woolsey's the CIA director that he says that he had that dinner with and even Greer was

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told by Woolsey.

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Do you remember that part where I said that he has that asterisk in there where Woolsey

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speaks to what happened in this conversation?

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Thanks for what you talked about it twice now.

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This is Woolsey, the CIA director's asterisk.

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Dear Dr. Greer, it has just come to the attention of the four of us, that being John Peterson,

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Diane Peterson, James Woolsey and Suzanne Woolsey, that you have, without giving any

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of us the opportunity to comment, published a distorted account of a dinner party of some

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six years ago at which the four of us, you and your wife were seated together.

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In the introduction to your book, Extraterrestrial Contact, published earlier this year, you portray

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this dinner party conversation during which the four of us listened to your views and

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politely asked questions as a briefing with a cover story.

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You further assert that Mr. and Mrs. Woolsey reported a UFO sighting to you and agreed

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with your views.

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You include specific alleged quotations from them.

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None of this is accurate.

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I love this statement here.

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You have portrayed politeness as acquiescence and questions as affirmations.

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Your conduct in this matter contravenes both accuracy and simple manners, sincerely the

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above mentioned form.

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I love that.

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That is such a great letter.

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That's a great letter.

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And anyhow, this is one of the times Joe Rogan's really lost it over the last little while,

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but back in the day, he could make some really good points or at least he would cut through

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the bullshit.

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This is right after Joe Rogan is shown at the trailer for serious.

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I think that's around where it stopped watching.

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Okay.

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Hey everybody, I could not figure out a way to download a YouTube video longer than two

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hours.

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So I am going to recreate the Joe Rogan part of the episode that we want to incorporate

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here.

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So if you're ready, I'm going to just.

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Recreate it.

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You know that guy at the beginning of the video.

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Looking guy.

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This is your genius, David Wilcock.

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You know what that guy is?

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Yes, I know that guy.

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Do you know that guy also thinks that he is as a per casey and shows you pictures?

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I had no idea.

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They recording in the dark.

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Do you know that he shows you pictures of all his friends and shows you how they look

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like a per casey's friends?

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I had no idea.

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He didn't know that.

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Yeah.

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Mike wanted to do a little editing.

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I cannot know that.

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Joe Rogan's voice.

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I'm sorry for that.

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I love that.

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He's like, no, never.

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I have.

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Mike wanted to do a little editing with that one.

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Oh yeah.

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No, like.

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He made that such an important part of his ethos.

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Not saying anything else in your documentary is bullshit, but.

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I love this.

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That guy makes my lie detector radar go off.

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That's what I think of your documentary.

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Just first off, I saw David Wilcock.

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And if you watch the documentary, yeah, that's one of the first things you see.

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Yeah, Stephen Wilcock.

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I wonder that there's no way he doesn't know that and he put him in there.

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He doesn't care.

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I think that's the most important thing there.

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And there's two things out of that that you can take with that response to David Wilcock.

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Either he doesn't do background checks and especially when he's talking about 700 people

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that he's interviewed that are whistleblowers.

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And it's news to him that David Wilcock has some weird stuff.

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Ah, yeah.

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Good point.

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Is very telling or he doesn't care, which is also very telling.

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I think whatever goes towards this point, just based on everything that I know about

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him is what he's going to use.

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Anyhow, I don't think he took anything from this because we went into watching Unacknowledged

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right after this and David Wilcock's in that.

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Oh, and look, Richard Doty.

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I get it.

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You can have him in things, I guess.

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No, you can't.

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They put underneath him Richard Doty special agent and that is the entire description they

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give for Richard Doty throughout.

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And Richard Doty shows up in all the documentaries after this.

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I want to do a little editing.

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And there's another thing I would love to hear if somebody called him on that one too

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to be like Richard Doty is a disinformation agent, right?

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Joe Rogan actually asked him about disinformation in this interview and he says, I've heard

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it all.

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Oh, I can cut through it.

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They really have to.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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And I think it's a documentary, which I think is a bigger red flag than David fucking Wilcock

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being in there.

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Not only that, the fact that he was warned about David Wilcock and then from there does

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a documentary with Richard Doty and David Wilcock after that just clearly shows he doesn't

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care.

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Might as well make it worse.

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It might not be, doesn't care at this point.

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By the time we got to this documentary, there were some red flags being raised for me about

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what he is doing.

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I mean, just alone from everything we've said in this episode up until this point, there's

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a lot of red flags here.

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But I will give him some credit.

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I feel like it is due.

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The documentaries do get better cinematically and thematically after serious.

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I didn't see a sandaled foot in an interview after serious.

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They seemed to at least stick to a bit more of a theme from there.

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Not that it was good, but they were at least more what you could expect.

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The production got a little bit better.

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From there, the third one is called Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.

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He really starts to focus in on his CE5 excursions.

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And at this point, I think we should actually talk about the CE5 excursions.

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Yeah, let's do that.

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If we go right to his website, he has a fairly in-depth explanation of what a CE5 event is.

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CE5 is a term describing fifth category of close encounters with extraterrestrial intelligence.

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ETI characterized by mutual bilateral communication rather than unilateral contact.

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But CE5 initiative has as its central focus bilateral ETI human communication based on

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mutual respect and universal principles of exchange and contact.

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CE types 1-4 are essentially passive, reactive, and ETI initiated.

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A CE5 is distinguished from these by conscious, voluntary, and proactive human initiated or

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cooperative contacts with ETI.

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Evidence exists indicating that CE5s have successfully occurred in the past and the

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inevitable maturing of the human ETI relationship requires greater research and outreach efforts

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into the possibility while ultimate control of such contact and exchange will and probably

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should remain with the technologically more advanced intelligent life forms.

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This does not lessen the importance of consciousness, voluntary human initiatives, contact, and

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follow up to conventional CE types 1-4.

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C-CETI is the only worldwide effort to concentrate on putting trained teams of investigators

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into the field where one, active waves of UFO activity are occurring or two, an attempt

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to vector UFOs into a specific area for the purposes of initiating communication.

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Contact protocols include the use of lights, sound, and thought.

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Thought specifically consciousness is the primary mode of initiating contact.

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The CE5 initiative is a scientific and diplomatic program which endeavors to establish a cooperative,

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peaceful, and sustainable relationship between humans and any and all ETI peoples which may

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visit Earth.

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CE5 initiative protocols are used to vector UFOs into an area and then engage them in

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a peaceful, cooperative exchange using light, sound, and other modalities.

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Working group members are selected according to their ability to engage in this research

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in an open-minded and non-projudicial manner which is free from premature, fear-based negative

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conclusions regarding the intentions of these visitors to our planning.

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The integrity of the diplomatic perspective is fundamental to the success of the CE5

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initiative since it's probable that these visitors are capable of assessing the attitudes,

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motives, and intentions of the working group's members.

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Core principles.

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There is strong evidence of the existence of ETI civilizations and spacecrafts.

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ETIs and ETs have been and are currently visiting Earth.

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Careful bilateral communication between ETIs and humans is of continuing importance and

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will increase in the future.

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Both humans and ETI as conscious, intelligent beings are essentially more alike than dissimilar.

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C-SETI is dedicated to the study of both our shared and unique characteristics.

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C-SETI operates on the premise that ETI's net motives and ultimate intentions are peaceful

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and non-hostile and it appears probable that more than one extraterrestrial civilization

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is responsible for the ETI ETs' contacts.

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So far observed, it's likely that this represents a cooperative effort.

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And this is a note to people putting these on.

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Do not use public land or federal land for a field site to do your contact.

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We suggest that you use private property with permission.

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And sometimes state parks in the United States can be good locations.

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Just make sure you find out if you need a permit, especially for groups of more than

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just a few people.

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Except for the instructor, you are not using lasers during C-SETI's trainings.

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It is best if you minimize using them during your own fieldwork and be careful not to hit

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any aircraft or anyone in the eyes.

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It is best that just one person in the group be the person that uses the laser to signal.

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Chelsea, you can actually find these basically everywhere.

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I almost think he franchises it out to do CE5 events.

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I don't know if you got to this point in the Joe Rogan episode.

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Joe Rogan at one point asked, like, what percentage of the time do you see something when you

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go out on a CE5 event?

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He says 100% of the time.

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Every outing sees some sort of spacecraft.

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It's both including satellites?

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No, it's UFOs.

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Like, that's what he specifically says.

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Sorry, I shouldn't say specifically.

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It's either spacecraft or like anomalous activity in the sky.

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It appears there's a CE5 community group in Vancouver.

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Actually there was pre-COVID, a CE5 group in Kelowna too.

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So they are like widespread.

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But it's weird.

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But hey, these people come together for love and whatnot to meet these aliens.

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I think we talked about in the last episode how contradicting this view is that you have

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to have good intentions to contact these groups.

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Yet this evil government secretive group is what they've communicated with and given

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all the technology to.

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I just find that so weird.

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But whatever, we can get past that.

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I found a review.

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C-CETI CE5 event put on by Steven Greer on November 15, 2009.

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This was posted on Amazon by Knowledgeseeker in California.

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Let's see what they thought of this whole thing.

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This is quite the description here.

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I followed Dr. Greer's activity with enthusiasm since 2001 when he established the Disclosure

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Project.

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I read his books, watched his interviews, and listened to his meditation CDs.

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I liked everything this man seemed to be about and shared his views on the need to inform

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the public about the presence of extraterrestrial visitors on Earth, the importance of establishing

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peaceful contact with visitors, in developing free or low-cost over-unity energy technologies

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that would clean the planet, eliminate conflict between nations that bring about a dignified

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quality of life and abundance to people all over the world.

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I still share these goals.

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So it was with great excitement that I signed up for a C-CETI presentation and a one-day

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workshop with Dr. Greer that took place on November 13, then 14, 2009 in Costa Mesa,

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California to experience and learn C-CETI's contact protocol and to determine whether

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it would be worthwhile enrolling in a week-long C-CETI outing with Dr. Greer.

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Surprisingly, my preconceived opinion about Dr. Greer's character began to disintegrate

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as I listened to his presentation.

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It was disheartening to discover he is excessively fascinated with himself, prone to indulge

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in name-dropping and in bragging about his fantastic high-end and or in-the-no contacts

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and connections, not to mention the multitude of blandish remarks he makes with a straight

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face.

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It was his impact on the rogue, majestic, secret government, so much so that according

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to him he rejected a $2 billion payout to shut up and abandon the ET disclosure issue.

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Needless to say, that night I left the auditorium less enthusiastic about what Dr. Greer is

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all about, but it was not until the workshop and the outing next day that my opinion about

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him really changed, unfortunately for the worst.

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Again, during the workshop Dr. Greer devoted some time to self-admiration while attempting

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to appear humble by saying, quote, I'm just a country doctor from North Carolina, end

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quote.

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By then I was becoming quite uncomfortable about him, but as the workshop progressed

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my discomfort turned into dismay.

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As I watched how rudely he treated some attendees who asked valid questions or made harmless

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remarks but whose timing or subject he deemed inappropriate.

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I was truly shocked and could not believe my ears and eyes as I watched him lash at them

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with such scornful contempt.

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It was so bad that I wondered if this man was consciously trying to chase these people away.

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Dr. Greer claims to have experienced meditative samadhi or oneness with all.

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If so, one would think he would have achieved a certain degree of enlightenment and a sense

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of kinship towards his fellow men.

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Why then was he so harsh and unkind?

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Did he forget that these people paid a significant amount of money not to only listen but to

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ask questions as well?

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The worst and most disheartening part of this experience was witnessing the C-Seddy's

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field contact protocol. At the site, a number of devices such as radio transmitters, magnetometers,

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radar detectors, infrared scopes, etc. were arranged.

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Even though I don't doubt, Dr. Greer may have had several ET experiences in the past.

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What I observed in the field that night is inconsistent with his hyperbolic claims suggesting

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he can vector ET's and make them appear.

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His actions and the facts demonstrated that at the very least this is a bold exaggeration.

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Not surprisingly, to cover up for this assertion, Dr. Greer made sure to bring out a series

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of possibilities for a no-show prior to the field excursion.

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According to him, sometimes ET's might not appear because, quote, there is someone in

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the group without good intent and a clean heart, or the ET's feel threatened by US

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military, or even though they won't fully materialize, they will manifest in a thousand

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other ways, end quotes.

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Wow. I love that review.

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There's more. Conveniently, there were plenty of people at hand, mostly staff, who would

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come forward to state that while meditating they saw this or heard that.

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Most amusing, though, were Dr. Greer's remarks at the beeps and sounds made by the electronic

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equipment.

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You see, according to him, an ET he named Walter communicates via one of these electronic

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devices and Dr. Greer is able to recognize which beeps he makes.

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Additionally, the large quantity of wow and oh my god remarks coming out of Dr. Greer's

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mouth over unseen or imaginary non-events was sadly hilarious.

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Oftentimes he would point his mega laser beam at some spot in the sky and claim he was seeing

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a partly materialized ET craft.

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Of course, anyone else saw nothing, even though according to him, many significant events

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were taking place that night because we were such a great group.

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Make matters worse, Dr. Greer supplemented the lack of any occurrence with information

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he received via remote viewing.

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I found this charade insulting to my intelligence, intuitiveness, and psychic sensibilities.

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I know ET's were not present that night and I would have respected Dr. Greer if he had

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been forthright and acknowledged the fact that there was no activity.

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I would understand, it happens.

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Because I experienced first hand Dr. Greer's tendencies to fabricate, exaggerate, and embellish

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non-events at the Seasetty Field Trip, it then follows that the accuracy and validity

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of everything he claims in his books is in question since it's evident that, at the

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very least he stretches the truth to the point where it becomes short of being an outright

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lie.

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In the past, whenever I would read negative reviews about Dr. Greer, especially ones describing

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him as self-centered narcissist, I would reject them and conclude that they were made by people

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who couldn't handle the truth.

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But based on what I saw on experience first hand, it appears Dr. Greer is in love with

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himself and because he sees himself above others, he dislikes most people.

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However, he desperately craves their attention so he created this ET disclosure platform

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to attract as large an audience as possible in order to obtain the recognition and adulation

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he sorely needs.

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In essence, regardless of the message, this messenger is so flawed, one must question

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the purity and true nature of his motivations.

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His books, conferences, and Seasetty outings may be more about the money they bring in

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than the message itself.

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Furthermore, unless you enjoy watching people being mistreated by Dr. Greer and don't

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mind embarking on a pathetic farce, I recommend you put your money elsewhere instead of spending

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it in any of his Seasetty excursions.

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That's that description of the training event.

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Wow, that was incredible.

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You know what?

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I haven't personally been to one, but I totally get those vibes from him.

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Next up from here, Chelsea, we're going to read an article from The Washington Examiner

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posted July 31, 2020 by Tom Rogan, article title.

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Did Steven Greer fake a UFO with flares?

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Oh no.

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I mean, oh no, but I can totally see it for him.

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Yeah.

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Dr. Steven Greer likes to suggest that he is in regular contact with extraterrestrials

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who are visiting Earth.

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Kindly, if for a price, Greer offers to train others in this close encounter of the fifth

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kind contact protocols.

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But is Greer really in contact with NADF objects or what the military referred to as

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Unitide Aerial Phenomena?

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UAPs?

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Well, like the US military, I'm very confident that some UFOs are true unknowns, but not

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belonging to China, the United States or Russia.

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That said, I'm not convinced these objects are what Greer is seeing or communicating

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with.

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A January 27, 2015 Greer Contact event in Florida offers a base, a case in point.

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That date saw Greer leading an expedition at Vera Beach on Florida's east coast.

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Greer's website says that his week-long expedition come with a tuition fee of $2,500 to $3,500

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depending on facility costs.

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The website explains that all of the ambassadors to the universe, trainings, are similar.

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All participants are expected to complete the return liabilities release, confidentiality

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agreement and ambassador agreement, which will be sent after they have paid and registered.

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And it's only sent after they've paid and registered.

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Back to January 27, 2015, when Greer's expedition claimed to have summoned two UFOs.

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Video of the sighting was posted to Greer's YouTube channel and the incident was first

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case listed on the photographic and video evidence page of Greer's website.

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The video introduction says, the event occurred between 9.10 and 9.15pm and was a result of

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the invitation initiated by members using coherent thought and meditation practices,

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also known as CE5 protocols.

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The video's description states there were no boats or ships seen anywhere in the area

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of the object and there were no jets or planes or other airborne objects anywhere near the

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object before, during or after the event.

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That's not true, but let's not jump the gun.

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The video starts with one bright orange light appearing off the coast.

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Greer is heard directing a person to please turn off your night scope.

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Note that a night scope would assist in detecting low visibility aircrafts in the vicinity.

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Shortly thereafter, a second light appears off the coast to the left of the first light.

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Greer confirms that these are indeed UFOs.

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Sorry, question?

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00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800
No, I'm reacting to this.

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What?

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I'm looking with the night scope.

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There's no smoke.

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There's no trail.

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These are not flares, he continues.

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They are waiting for us to arrive.

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A few seconds later, Greer implores his group.

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Let's welcome the beings on board to join us in meditation.

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That is such a beautiful color.

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See, you'll never forget that color, he says.

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This is huge, one person who says, Greer agrees.

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Yes, this is a major event.

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At the 3 minute 32 second mark, the first light disappears, ignoring the light's slow

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but obvious altitude decline.

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Greer states that, quote, they've stayed pretty much the same altitude, though let's

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invite them to come as close as they can, end quote.

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At the 411 mark, the second light dissipates while the second light is quite obviously

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above the water as it fades out.

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Greer quickly states, quote, oh, that's gone into the ocean.

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See what it did, end quote.

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Greer concludes, quote, now the way that you know that's not like something like a flare,

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first of all, it didn't shoot up and then come down, end quote.

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The video fades out.

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We then see a series of other photos and videos of the same event.

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But were these UFOs or were they something more terrestrial?

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Well, Flight Aware Flight Tracking data obtained by the Washington Examiner suggests the latter

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is true.

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At 9-11 PM on January 27, 2015, a Beach 76 Dutchess registered N110SU was recorded flying

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at 85 miles per hour off of the Euro Beach.

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This is slower than the aircraft's normal cruise speed and will feasibly allow the

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aircrew to deploy parachuted flares or some other illumination devices.

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The aircraft took off and returned to the airport in Fort Peace.

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The screenshot below shows the aircraft's location at the time of the event, which is

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just outside of where they're sitting.

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The owner of the aircraft is listed to by the Ferradural Aviation Administration as

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Airy Ben Aviator Incorporated.

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The website for the Fort Pierce-based Flight School, Aviator College of Aeronautical Science

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and Technology lists Michael Cohen as its president and CEO, and the owner and only

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president of Air Ben Aviator since its inception.

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The website explains that Cohen has 33 years of experience with managing successful flight

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training school in all areas including advertising and recruiting.

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The section between Air Ben Aviator and Airy Ben Aviator seems to be a spelling mistake.

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Florida State Business Records lists Cohen as the owner of both the Aviator School and

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Airy Ben Aviators.

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When I reached out to the Aviators College to ask about the January 27, 2015 flight,

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Director of Maintenance Christopher Spear told me that the director never does things

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like drop flares.

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After sending Spear a copy of the flight record, he did not respond to any further emails,

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and, incidentally, another aircraft listed to Airy Ben Aviator was forced to land on

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a section of Interstate 95 in Florida on January 30, 2017 after running out of fuel.

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The top line, however, is that the flight was in place and time that the witnesses saw

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the lights.

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I thus offer a pretty confident assessment that what was seen off Viro Beach that night

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were not UFOs but in fact flares of some kind.

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Frankly, the fact that there was a plane there and he said not to use the night vision lights

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lenses really is it.

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No, I can't remember where I got this quote from, but I'm just going to read it because

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I feel like it needs to be.

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I'm sorry I will find it if anybody sues us for a slander, but outside of that, you guys

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00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,240
just gotta trust me it's on the internet somewhere.

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Somebody watch unacknowledged and really got spicy that Doty was in it.

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Regarding Doty, anyone who believes his latest offering of BS, as presented in Stephen Greer's

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new film, is utterly naive and deserves to be duped.

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As the following link will reveal, Doty's long deplorable track record of disseminating

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00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,560
utterly false information about the UFO phenomenon, and the US government's knowledge of it is

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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,360
remarkable and continues to this day.

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Whether or not this current utterance merely serves his personal need to screw with persons

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such as Greer and the rest of us, or instead the latest chapter in his involvement in the

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00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,360
government's efforts to confuse and misdirect public interest in the UFO topic, it's unknown.

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However, given Doty's many disreputable actions over the years, one needs to review and understand

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00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,280
his history before attempting to evaluate his most recent public claims.

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00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,960
And if you want more information, we did a multi-episode arc on Richard Doty, go listen

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00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,960
to them.

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Because he is a piece of shit.

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00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,240
I even think just calling him an asshole of the UFO community is above him.

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00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,240
He's not.

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00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,240
He is a piece of shit.

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00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320
Yeah, you need to go listen to the...

641
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,400
I think it's a three-parter actually, two or three parts.

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You gotta go listen to it.

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00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,760
You gotta to know the full scope of how big of an asshole this guy is.

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Another thing that came up in the Joe Rogan episode, he's a firm believer in Majestic

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12 because he says that he is in possession of the original documents for it, which we've

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00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,960
done an episode on.

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00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,400
They are not real in any way.

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00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,320
He's also a firm believer in Roswell, despite the fact again there's not a lot of evidence

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00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,320
behind Roswell.

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00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,920
Well, Roswell the Crash and Roswell with the bodies I think are two totally different.

651
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He's more so the alien bodies one.

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00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,920
You definitely start questioning where he's going with all of this once he starts seeing

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00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,760
these ties and keeps coming and going.

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In the next documentary, he throws somebody under the bus, Luelle Isondo.

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He basically says that he's a disinformation agent of the government and he admitted it

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,080
to a lawyer that he has on the documentary and he has the lawyer say it basically in

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00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,800
the documentary that this guy admitted this to him.

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00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,640
And Chelsea, I need to play a video.

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I know what I was gonna say.

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00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,440
So we've seen come up so far.

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00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,440
He's calling BS on Luelle Isondo.

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00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:10,280
So far, he's had David Wilcock in his episode, which David Wilcock hasn't put disinformation

663
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,160
out there that we know he's a bullshitter.

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He's probably not putting out anything that's true.

665
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,520
So he has doting in his documentaries, con artist David Wilcock, and now he has ties

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to Bill Moore with the Majestic 12 and he's talking about the Roswell bodies.

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00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,080
That's not looking good for him.

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Next we're just gonna start hitting on.

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There's one thing about Steven Greer and I think that this is unique to him as an asshole

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00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,040
is that he has a wholly entirely different perspective on aliens from everybody else.

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And if you don't line up with him, he will call you out as a liar.

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00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,480
Either you're spreading disinformation because you have been handed information that was

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00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,040
wrong or you're lying to everybody to change their perspective.

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And you even heard that he said that Luelle Isondo is lying as is Nick Pope, who again

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00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640
has a fairly good reputation within the UFO community.

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00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,480
So I just have a ton of people who he's either made a statement about or they've had to

677
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360
make a statement about Steven Greer just because he said things about them.

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00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,400
So they have to say things back and they're all uncomfortable about it.

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00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,400
You know what?

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400
I should start.

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00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,360
Before we get there, I do have to talk about his I listen to I think it's a two hour episode

682
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,920
of the Patrick Bet David podcast, PBD, which is a person's name.

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00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,320
It's also the correct answer to who did Patrick Bet.

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00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,240
It's a whole sentence in itself technically.

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00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,240
It's a bad joke.

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00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,240
Don't worry about it.

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00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,160
He hits on all the key points he always does, but there were some points in it that I just

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00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,200
found hilariously awkward.

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First and foremost, because this is a very right wing podcast, he just completely avoids

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00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,520
talking about climate change.

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Kind of brings it up awkwardly at one point and immediately changes the subject.

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00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,480
And another point, he talks about how 15 or so people in his crew have been murdered by

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the secret government.

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And when PBD asks him about it, he specifically says, Oh, well, they have like 150 different

695
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,560
ways to cause cancer.

696
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Oh, okay.

697
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,840
So there's just people around you who have died from cancer.

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,840
Got it.

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00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,560
And then he says that they tried to murder him by cutting a bar on his bike.

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00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,880
So that when he went mountain biking, he would have come brashing off and die, which immediately

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00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,400
after talking about how people were murdered in his crew in a much more sophisticated way.

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00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,960
And then PBD wants to get into the specifics of who's actually part of like the dark government,

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00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:38,880
just they that he keeps talking about, and he just keeps saying names of CEOs and it's

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00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,880
just hilarious.

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00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,960
No, PBD says names and he's like, like, I want to know who like, is it Jamie Dimon?

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00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,560
He's like, he has a very awkward way of answering it where he says like, it could be, but I'm

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00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,640
not 100% sure.

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00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,400
So they just go for like five minutes.

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He's saying names and he's awkwardly answering the questions.

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Overall, I can't recommend listening to the PBD podcast because he's a right-wing birth

711
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,600
that made a lot of his money through MLMs in the insurance industry.

712
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,000
So I can't really recommend it, but it was hilariously awkward.

713
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,080
So from there, PBD had Louie Elizondo on.

714
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,360
He specifically asks Lou, Hey, what do you think of Stephen Greer?

715
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,120
This is what said.

716
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,400
Stephen Greer, what are your thoughts on Stephen Greer?

717
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,400
I don't know him.

718
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,240
So I don't, I don't ever usually have an opinion on anybody.

719
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:31,240
Never talk about anybody.

720
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,880
If I haven't had a chance to meet them personally.

721
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,200
So I had him on for the second time two months ago.

722
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,840
And are you familiar with Sean Ryan, podcast or Sean Ryan?

723
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,840
He had Greer on.

724
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,280
Rob, can you pull up that one clip?

725
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,360
Because this is, this is the part where it's kind of like, you know, I think I'm aware

726
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,360
of it.

727
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,360
I know the one you're going to show.

728
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,360
Yeah.

729
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,360
There's a couple of them.

730
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,360
I want to show this one to you or two.

731
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,360
I want to see what you're going to say about it.

732
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,360
Go ahead.

733
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,920
I've got these disinformation agents, these knocks.

734
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,720
I have somebody that comes to mind and we were talking about him at lunch.

735
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,520
Lou Elizondo, is he one of them?

736
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Oh, of course.

737
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,520
I mean, you know, as soon as he emerged on the stage, I had a very senior guy, CIA, who's

738
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,440
worked this issue since 1979.

739
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Contact me about that problem.

740
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:26,760
But remember, the only way that you can control at this point, all this coming out because

741
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:34,280
of what we have and what we're pushing forward through media, is to control the narrative,

742
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,680
the spin.

743
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:41,400
So the people coming forward who get an all access pass on to say 60 minutes or something

744
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,320
like that, are people cleared by this same illegal corrupt organization because they'll

745
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,000
tell the public, yes, the UAPs are real, but we don't know what they are.

746
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Well, this is an absolute lie.

747
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,600
We absolutely know what they are.

748
00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Some of them are ours, manmade, and are confused quite frequently with the others, which are

749
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,440
of extraterrestrial origin or ETVs, extraterrestrial vehicles.

750
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:14,040
And those operatives are taught very well to take an issue, grab it, capture it, and

751
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,640
spin it in the direction that they want.

752
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Now, the direction they want is endless ambiguity.

753
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,240
Gee, we don't know what they are.

754
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,240
We don't know what they are.

755
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:23,400
It's nonsense.

756
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,560
We proven what they are.

757
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Well, I have 755 whistleblowers.

758
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080
You have 755 whistleblowers?

759
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Yeah.

760
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,360
I mean, this archive is unbelievable.

761
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,560
You had mentioned that you...

762
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,080
What do you think about what he says?

763
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Because...

764
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Well, where are the whistleblowers?

765
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,840
I mean, I'll tell you, isn't he the same guy they wrote an article about, if I'm not mistaken,

766
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,560
who apparently was accused of taking people on a tour and then paying some dude to like

767
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,360
500 bucks to drop flares out of a Cessna?

768
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Is that the same guy?

769
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,360
I don't know that.

770
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,040
I think there was an article.

771
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,040
We can...

772
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,680
I think it was done by the debrief, I think.

773
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,840
Anyways, you know, my mom always told me if I have nothing kind to say, don't say it

774
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,960
all, so I've never met the man.

775
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,800
But you know, look, it's nonsense.

776
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,800
I don't know what to tell you, man.

777
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,840
I mean, look, where are the whistleblowers?

778
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,120
You know, when I went to the IG, you know, and had my conversation, I didn't see anyone.

779
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,640
You know, I know the ones that we talked to, we go to Congress, we talk to Congress.

780
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,640
I haven't seen him.

781
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Is that the one you were talking about?

782
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,120
That's it.

783
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,120
So there's that.

784
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,280
We don't have to go over that article because we've read that.

785
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,280
And this is...

786
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,760
He gives me specifically...

787
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,520
This is fully just my opinion.

788
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,120
I have to state this here.

789
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,480
He gives me cult leader vibes and that he is welcoming.

790
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,120
He provides a positive outlook to the exterior.

791
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,600
But if you contradict him or don't pay service to him as the expert or the master, he will

792
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,320
cut you down.

793
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,400
Not quite as extreme as this, though, because he is.

794
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,520
So if you contradict him in any way, you're out.

795
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,760
But weirdly enough, David Wilcock avoids this.

796
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880
And I think it is because he kisses the ring every time he needs to.

797
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,440
And I also think he's willing to throw people under the bus, but we'll get to there at a

798
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,440
certain point.

799
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,440
Anyhow, and that's what...

800
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,680
His view makes no sense, like I've said before, because these are peaceful aliens, yet the

801
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,560
bad guys have ended up with that technology.

802
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,160
So it doesn't make any sense.

803
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:30,000
So of course, in his mind, the animal mutilation has to be going on from the government itself.

804
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:37,840
So this is... he's had to comment on little Malton Howe before, and she has a comment

805
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,840
about...

806
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,840
I mean, he hasn't had to, has he?

807
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,840
He wanted to, I should probably say.

808
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,560
Just because I watched Stephen Greer's latest documentary over the weekend, which I wasn't

809
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:54,800
a big fan of, but he alleged in this documentary that all extraterrestrial life only wants

810
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:04,920
peace, and he claimed that any cattle mutilations or abductions are only the US government

811
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,880
trying to trick people into a false alien war.

812
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,680
What's your opinion on that?

813
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,240
Who is he working for?

814
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:21,120
Because that is counterintelligence lie.

815
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:29,800
I think himself, to try and get people to buy his products and so forth.

816
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,720
That's a naive comment.

817
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:42,160
I've given you just a glimpse of the forensic evidence that you or anybody who went to investigate

818
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,160
an animal mutilation, you would find it's repeatable.

819
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,760
It's repeatable forensic evidence.

820
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,160
It is the pristinous, not the gore.

821
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,240
There is no gore.

822
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:58,240
There's no blood.

823
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,240
There's no fluid.

824
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,440
And I think that's probably far enough in there.

825
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,600
That first comment is probably the best that we need from that.

826
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,600
I think he's right.

827
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,600
I think she's right.

828
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Unfortunately, I think we're running out of time now, so I can't get into too many more

829
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,200
of these.

830
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,000
I have statements from Edgar Mitchell.

831
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,560
I really love Stephen Greer in one video, throws Corey Good and Tom DeLong under the

832
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,000
bus in the same 10 minute period.

833
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,200
He also makes a really fun point.

834
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,640
He throws them under the bus.

835
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Because Corey Good is part of the secret space program, like that he was a kid when he was

836
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,480
doing that, which can't be there were evil aliens out there, which isn't part of the

837
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,000
mythos of Stephen Greer.

838
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,360
They're all good aliens.

839
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,800
So he has to throw them under the bus.

840
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,480
And because he has been brought in with Tom DeLong, he has to throw him under the bus

841
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,760
for being misdirected by bad people within the community too.

842
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,440
And this is just another contradiction of Stephen Greer.

843
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,640
He has David Wilcock in his fucking doctor.

844
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,000
I know who basically believes the same thing, which is my mind.

845
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,120
David Wilcock through Corey Good under the bus to get in there.

846
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,600
He seems like the type who will burn a bridge to climb a mountain or something like that.

847
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Oh yeah.

848
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Oh yeah.

849
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,600
We know what you're getting.

850
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,520
He also made the point in that video too that I just find kind of funny and it is correct.

851
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,160
It's kind of racist to believe that an alien species is entirely evil.

852
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,280
Like there's good and bad within everything.

853
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,040
I'm like at the same time, that's funny because you believe every alien species is inherently

854
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,040
good.

855
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,560
So what do you say in here?

856
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,560
About us.

857
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,400
I mean, you assume the same.

858
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,600
And then I have a quote from Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut who got involved with both

859
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,400
Stephen Greer and the alien side.

860
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Quote, I cooperated with Stephen Greer some years ago, but he began to overreach his

861
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,160
data continuously, necessitating a withdrawal by myself.

862
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,720
And I believe several others.

863
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:45,760
I have requested to be removed from any website announcements, DTC, but see that has not taken

864
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,760
place.

865
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,040
He shows up in a lot of the documentaries being quoted.

866
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Yeah, I saw that.

867
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,160
And you know, that's the second time that's come up in this episode alone.

868
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,160
Yeah.

869
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Taking his word for it.

870
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,320
New guy on the scene, David Grusk, had somebody post this to Twitter for him.

871
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,160
I took my job very seriously and early on I allowed various individuals that alleged

872
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,400
they had information to speak their truth as part of my evaluation process.

873
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,200
I've not been mentored by anyone and my public disclosure has been done independently under

874
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,200
my own free will.

875
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,320
I emphatically requested Stephen Greer cease using my name to promote his personal agenda.

876
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,320
End of statement.

877
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,040
I have to end this off with a few Reddit posts just because that's how we got to do things

878
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,040
here.

879
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,400
Oh yeah, that's my favorite place on this one.

880
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,680
This one has some pretty damning stuff in it.

881
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
First thing here is by Esco Paul two years ago.

882
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800
I am a fan of Spacetope Radio.

883
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,320
The host mentioned one of his lifetime band guests is Greer.

884
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Greer demanded money to be on his show and a full list of every question before he was

885
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000
on.

886
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,920
He also mentioned that he likes to engage in friendly conversation, not regimented interviews.

887
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Greer makes it sound like he is in person briefing presidents and other high ups about

888
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
the phenomenon, which came up in the documentary.

889
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,720
He talked about Clinton and Obama and Bush on that.

890
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,920
He specifically briefed them.

891
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,520
A well-respective researcher, I forget who, but I think it was Stanton Freeman, looked

892
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,600
into it and found some of his briefing packets in presidential libraries, unopened and marked

893
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,600
unread.

894
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,040
Doesn't prove anything, but most likely he just mails his briefings in and makes the

895
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,960
claims he gives them in person.

896
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,880
And this last one here is where I'm going to end this podcast episode off, is by Big

897
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,840
Tay Tay four years ago.

898
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,760
I tend to stay away from this sub because it developed into mostly bullshit, but in the

899
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,320
name of trying to steer people towards real information, I'll chip in my opinion.

900
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Steven Greer is an outright fraud.

901
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,240
When he first came out with his involvement with aliens, he was way more humble, way more

902
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,520
transparent, but a few years in he was giving talks, making videos, etc.

903
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,840
His demeanor and ego has changed drastically.

904
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,720
He speaks as if he is the end all be all of alien and alien information, and he's made

905
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:44,720
millions.

906
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:49,440
All the photos I've seen that he gives for sightings amount to blurry amorphous blobs

907
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,240
that look like a figure if you try to believe it is.

908
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,280
Ask yourself this, if this man truly wanted to bring aliens to the forefront of the world's

909
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,760
consciousness, why is he creating such an exclusive setting to quote, interact and quote

910
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,760
with them?

911
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,040
Why is he charging 8 grand to see aliens and ships?

912
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,760
And he just so happens to be able to conjure them at will?

913
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,120
He went from truther speaking at small conventions to basically being the summoner of aliens.

914
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,440
Now whenever pushed about where he gets his information, it's either from dead people

915
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,560
or I won't give out personal information to keep them safe.

916
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,440
No, I think he sees that people are gullible and desperate to believe in something larger

917
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,720
than themselves and he capitalizes on it.

918
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,440
He takes advantage of these people, he has successfully merged alien and new age cons.

919
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,440
There is real information out there on the extent of aliens and spacecraft such as the

920
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,680
massive dump from the Department of Defense, but guys like this are just exploiting people.

921
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,200
And Chelsea, Lou Elizondo brought this up too.

922
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,160
It's amazing that there are congressional hearings on UFOs that have happened over the

923
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,160
years.

924
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,720
He has never been invited and I do find that damning.

925
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,720
And that's the thing about him talking out about the people on Tuesdays?

926
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,360
Lou Elizondo literally, I think it was this the week we record this, was in a briefing

927
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,560
with Congress for UFO disclosure.

928
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,400
I don't say that makes him more credible or not, well, I do say it does make him more

929
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,360
credible, but yeah, it's just kind of crazy that they've never like he says that he's

930
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,160
talked to presidents and he doesn't get invited to these things.

931
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,680
And he has to fake that he's doing these types of things by having his seminars at the National

932
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,680
Press Conference.

933
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,480
Well, that was my point.

934
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,840
Like does he, Stephen Greer says that he's pushing for disclosure of some sort, right?

935
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,800
He has the disclosure project, right?

936
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,800
Yes.

937
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,800
Okay.

938
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,480
So why is he not like, why is he specifically speaking out about how their disinformation

939
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:45,280
agents when he's manning the disclosure project, like he should be happy, it's disclosed.

940
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,080
Two, he's talking about these guys are all being fed disinformation.

941
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,800
He claims that he has 755 whistleblowers who have talked to him and he even fully admits

942
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,160
at best 10% of people who are talking are actually giving you real information.

943
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:05,560
So did he interview 7500 people and he has it down to 755 best or is he just not care?

944
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,120
And it's just like anybody will talk to him.

945
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,400
He can add to that number.

946
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Either that or 755 is the 10% of the number.

947
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,600
You best know that that is not the 10% number.

948
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,920
That is every single person that's ever talked and he's taking liberties with because so

949
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,720
many people have said he took me being polite as saying so and so.

950
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,760
Yeah, agreeing and in fact adding to his story.

951
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,800
And in fact, I could fully see it just being he made up the number and 755 seems believable.

952
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Yeah, just because it's a weird level though.

953
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,480
It's like a super high number.

954
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,760
Like it would be more believable if it was like 89 whistleblowers.

955
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,480
I had spoken to three whistleblowers like that in my own mind, but blow my look.

956
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,160
I feel like even if you were like I vetted them and their stories are so like I've talked

957
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,880
to many more but three of them.

958
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,360
I've talked to 100s three of them incredible.

959
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,360
Yeah, yeah, that's enough.

960
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,360
That's enough.

961
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,560
And I think Chelsea at this point I should comment on because he's always going by doctor

962
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,920
and we I even mentioned like he's not a doctor of anything that he's doing anymore, but whatever

963
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,520
technically has that degree.

964
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,640
I personally think this is my opinion on the timeline that he was on.

965
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,600
He wasn't a very good doctor and he even says like he forewent a very successful medical

966
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,880
career to do this.

967
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,280
He graduated in 87.

968
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,520
He got his medical license in 89 and I'm not quite sure how residency worked in North

969
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,040
Carolina, but by 94 he was doing this permanently.

970
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,880
And I know residency nowadays takes at least five years, which in my mind would mean that

971
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,120
he didn't even really get to the point of actually practicing as a doctor.

972
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,240
I don't know for sure because you can't find any information on him before that Larry

973
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,760
King interview.

974
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,480
But I don't think he was a very good doctor, but I would love for him to refute that like

975
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,920
give some information on that.

976
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,200
I am open for being refuted on that, but there's some stuff that he is so big.

977
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Yeah, well, I'm like, I'm fully admitted.

978
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,280
I practice as a lawyer.

979
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,880
I didn't do it that long and I didn't like it and I don't think it would long term.

980
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,400
Babe, I wouldn't have been that successful at it because I'm not the right personality

981
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,400
for it.

982
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,200
But I'm open about that.

983
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,200
Him.

984
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,160
I think that's kind of the same thing that he was going about.

985
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,800
He happened to have a rich friend who got him down the right path in a Rockefeller, but

986
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,400
he plays that person up so well and he has made a killing at this.

987
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,400
Is this?

988
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,800
Oh, no, it's not a public company.

989
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,240
So we wouldn't know how much he's actually earning from the production company.

990
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:30,240
It's disappointing.

991
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:34,480
And very sneaky of him to say that he made nothing from it.

992
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,120
It was all the production company.

993
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,760
It's a very sneaky way to put it.

994
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,320
As soon as I saw that, I knew that he was full.

995
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Like there's so many things that done that, but I was like, oh, he is sneaky with his words.

996
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,880
My impressions, even just watching you've taken in a lot more Steven Greer content.

997
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:51,880
Too much.

998
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,920
And I'm very, I'm scared to log into YouTube at this point, Chelsea.

999
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,920
You share it.

1000
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,560
I know it's another related content pops up.

1001
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,120
You shared some really good reviews.

1002
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,760
You know what I've also realized after this?

1003
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,840
I find something to take away from this is that extreme right wing conservative side

1004
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,360
media is much more willing to allow hobbies to be a pipeline to their side of politics

1005
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,920
in that if you're just somebody who likes UFOs, you're going to end up on right wing

1006
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,120
media at some point watching one of your guys talking.

1007
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,280
And it just opens you up to that side.

1008
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,360
Whereas left wing media does not do that.

1009
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,360
Oh, gross.

1010
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,360
Yeah.

1011
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,480
It's at least something for me.

1012
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,480
I've taken away from this that I don't know what to do with, but I feel like it is important.

1013
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,480
It should be noted.

1014
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,480
There's an implication there.

1015
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,480
Yeah.

1016
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Well, and it's entirely, have you heard about the conspiratoriality movement where it's

1017
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:48,960
like all the hippies who were into crystals and anti-vax are now Moga diehards?

1018
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,520
And I think it was because they got caught by this pipeline like that.

1019
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,800
I mean, that would make sense.

1020
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:56,800
Yeah.

1021
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,000
So I think you got some really good interviews, some really good rebuttals from people who

1022
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,600
Steven Grer has spoken out about within the community.

1023
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:13,320
My impression by the time we got to the end slash beginning of that one was exactly who

1024
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,080
is Steven Greer in the back pocket of because we saw.

1025
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,880
I don't think he's in the back pocket of anybody.

1026
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,760
I think he's out to enrich himself and he has created this movement that is very particular

1027
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,880
to him and he treats it like a cult.

1028
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,880
Yes.

1029
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,880
Yes.

1030
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,880
Fully my opinion.

1031
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,880
Fully my opinion.

1032
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,480
And my opinion as well.

1033
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,360
Maybe back pocket wasn't the right word, but he definitely has some cult traits.

1034
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:44,720
But I think he is also being fed information and Linda Moltenhalle is right in who is he

1035
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,080
working for because he has a lot of suspicious.

1036
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,080
That's actually a good point.

1037
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,160
And by what I mean is I don't think anybody like he's like taking it is disinformation

1038
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,160
to feed out.

1039
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,160
I think he's building something.

1040
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,040
It's like ancillary to what he's actually doing spreading disinformation.

1041
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,040
He just wants to make a buck.

1042
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,480
Oh yeah.

1043
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,680
I mean yeah and have his cult.

1044
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,360
He's just loving the attention and it's just like David Wilcock as well.

1045
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,720
But he has a super elitist way of looking at this kind of stuff which you see it over

1046
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:19,520
and over again in this community, which is why we have so many ass-lips.

1047
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,160
And they all have similar personality traits to get to.

1048
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Which is why they end up weird.

1049
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,600
And three of them end up in the same documentary.

1050
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,600
Yeah.

1051
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,080
And to be able to make a career out of something like this.

1052
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,640
It takes a certain personality to get there.

1053
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:41,240
There are many a red flag with Steven Greer starting with how he is so happily tied to

1054
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:47,120
a Rockefeller in which he's also in the same breast saying we are still on fossil fuels

1055
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,120
and that's bad.

1056
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,320
Then we see Dodie.

1057
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,720
Then we see David Wilcock and then we see a lot of other really weird things.

1058
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:55,920
So many things.

1059
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,840
So many things in one documentary.

1060
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,840
Yeah.

1061
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,120
Combined with how vague he is about who he's actually talking to and what he's done mixed

1062
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,880
with some exaggeration and lying.

1063
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,200
This guy is top of the ass-lips.

1064
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:16,920
And if you wanted to attend his CE5 ocean event on the Caribbean cruise on April 6th,

1065
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,760
2025, you should check it out on his website.

1066
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,920
Anyhow, I think that's far enough for this guy.

1067
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,960
We've spent way too long on this and it could just keep going.

1068
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,080
We might revisit him in the near future.

1069
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,600
Anyhow, I have been Taylor.

1070
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,600
Here we're Chelsea.

1071
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,600
We are Journey to the Fringe.

1072
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,880
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

1073
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:34,960
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1074
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,640
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1075
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:44,920
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1076
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1077
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1079
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1081
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:12,080
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1082
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