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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where let's face it, you're probably looking

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forward to this, we're not politics.

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We're not going to be covering anything regarding the American election and yes I am aware, we're

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recording this prior to the election, it's going to be several weeks after.

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We're still front and center, so you're welcome for this escape.

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Probably.

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From the Civil War that erupted?

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Yeah, hopefully you guys have some way of listening to this.

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We are your Escapist podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea here today, darting on a long

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form review of one of our people in the alien and UFO community.

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This person is Steven Greer.

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Oh yeah.

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Now, Chelsea, I've had a lot of trouble trying to figure out how to break this up because

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Steven Greer is prolific in how much he's produced and been involved with.

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So part one is going to be talking about just kind of a linear following of his journalistic

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side, I think is the best way to put it, with things that he's published, specifically

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written as well as events that he's hosted.

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From there, we're going to go in part two into him being on other shows and most importantly,

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documentaries he's produced and other, not events, but retreats that he hosts for individuals

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to go on.

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So that's going to be the breakup of these episodes.

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I think it's the best way to do it, but we'll see as we go.

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In any event, I will never tell you if it was terrible.

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So you just have to trust that I've done it right and I have told you the truth.

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Hopefully it's not the one that they get.

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You never know.

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We are going to talk about one of the most.

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I think he is one of the most talked about people in the UFO community in the last five

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years.

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I think that would be reasonable to say, Chelsea, do you agree?

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I think so.

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Is out there.

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Yes.

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Would you say that?

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Who else would I say?

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Here's what I would say.

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My gauge for seeing how publicly well known this person would be is what podcasts they've

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showed up on and how many ufologists have shown up on the Joe Rogan podcast, Chelsea.

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Comed along.

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I didn't just do that as I was about to do it.

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It was a judgment call.

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I just went with it.

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I know there have been a few.

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He gets some alternative people on there.

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Yes, but from the UFO community, I can only really think about, he's had Tom DeLong, he's

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had Bob Lazar, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell.

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And after that, I can't really think of anybody.

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David Grush.

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Grush?

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Oh, and Luis Elizondo.

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Sorry, he has been on there too.

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So I would say if you're going to know more than five people in the UFO community right

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now, he's probably a name that you know.

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Yeah, I think that's reasonable.

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Yeah, that's reasonable.

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He's been around for a while too.

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He has been and we're going to be talking about that.

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And Chelsea, I'm just curious when I say the name David Greer, is there anything particular

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that comes to mind for you?

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I don't want to.

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I think I just about called him David Greer.

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Did I call him David Greer?

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Steven Greer.

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No, did you?

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Is that why I was going to?

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I think David Grush and Steven Greer mixed up in my head now.

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So I hope I haven't put that seed in there for this.

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One guy and I can't remember if it's Steven Greer, but there is one guy out there that

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reminds me of Steven Greer.

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If it's not Steven Greer, that is like a total fear monger.

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I don't think that Steven Greer might be the other guy.

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So let's just cut this probably.

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But what was the question?

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I asked you, what can you tell me about Steven Greer?

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What would you say?

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Dr. Steven Greer.

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The guys that we give him creeps.

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I know he's the guy that has the near death experience.

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And Chelsea, we're going to talk about it as much as we possibly can too.

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Before doing this research, what I could probably tell you about Steven Greer is out of anybody

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He's probably the only one that lifts.

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He's got some beefy arms.

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That guy actually takes some carry.

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What he looks like.

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You know what?

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He's so creepy looking to me.

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And he's almost 70 at this point.

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I guess he would be even around forever.

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Now that's how I started out.

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I did my research.

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I have watched way too many YouTube documentaries, read things that he's written, listened to

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things that he's talked on.

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I think I know too much about him now.

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And I'm still I'm delving down these weird interconnected spots I have to finish off on.

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That's part two.

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But at this point, Chelsea, I do have to make a disclaimer just to cover our asses because

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I think there's a chance that something might come of some of the things I'm saying.

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So it has to be done now.

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I am going to be reading excerpts from writings that Dr. Steven Greer has written, which are

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likely protected by copyright law.

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I'm not sure I didn't look into it.

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I just know that he's made a few statements about them.

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So I am reading these for the purposes of critique and or education just to cover everything

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off, which is a protected use under copyright law.

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So I am not running afoul by reading these statements.

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I will be telling you where they come from.

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And we are going to be using them for particular purposes that are exempt from copyright.

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With that, I always like to start these episodes off, Chelsea, with a coast to coast biography.

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Oh, yeah, those are the best.

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You have to.

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It's the best way.

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You got to start high.

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You got to start high.

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So Dr. Steven Greer is one of the world's foremost authorities on the subject of UFOs, extraterrestrial

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intelligence and technologies, and in extraterrestrial intelligence and technologies and initiating

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peaceful contact with interstellar civilizations.

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For over 30 years, Dr. Greer has provided briefings for senior government officials across the

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globe, conducted numerous media interviews and delivered hundreds of lectures.

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He has also written five books and produced four feature film documentaries that have

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been seen by hundreds of millions of people.

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Dr. Greer's relentless efforts towards the disclosure of classified UFO, ET information

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have inspired millions of supporters around the world.

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He is currently working on a documentary for release in spring 2023, the law centering

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how to reclaim it.

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Obviously, they don't update their website that often, but he's been on coast to coast

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AM at least 29 times over the course of his career.

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And I always have to say at least because it does that weird thing where coast to coast

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website only goes back like 15 years, but coast to coast has been on since the 80s.

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So you don't know.

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And his career is much longer than the last 10 years.

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So you don't know actually how many times.

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He also has a fairly successful YouTube channel that he's hosted for 11 years with the biggest

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episode he's ever done on that had 4.9 million views.

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That was eight years ago.

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So he's yeah.

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Oh yeah, he's definitely cleaning up better than we are.

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Maybe slightly.

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Now, who is Steven Grimm?

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Well, he was born in Charlotte, North Carolina in 1955.

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He claims he saw an unidentified flying object at close range when he was eight years old

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and another UFO when he was 18.

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Now Chelsea, that's as much as I can get into that because whenever he brings them up, he's

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just super vague with those stories.

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He's just better than that.

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He received a Bachelor of Science degree in biology from Appalachian State University

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in 1982 and an MD degree from the James H. Quillen College of Medicine of East Tennessee

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State University in 1987.

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He was also trained as a transcendental meditation teacher and served as a director of a meditation

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organization.

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No idea when.

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And in fact, that's one of the things in the Wikipedia article where instead of a citation

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point where you know where they have the numbers up there, Chelsea, you can go check.

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It says when in brackets in that.

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So it's something that was added by somebody close to him, but they didn't provide any proof

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or anything else outside of that.

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full time career.

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nothing to do with what he's actually doing, but that's what we've decided as a society.

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I feel like we didn't decide that.

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I feel like he probably decided that for us that he's going to just carry that.

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Oh, you're just a doctor throughout life.

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It does lead to disinformation a lot of the time when you can have somebody with a doctorate

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and like, I don't know, philosophy telling you you should be taking these vitamins because

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they're super good for your body.

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But as a society, we've decided that.

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Specifically about Steven Greer.

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He's still taking advantage of it, but it's that.

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You get what I'm saying.

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So, I think that's why Greer Newfology starts in 1990 when he found the Center for the Study

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of Extraterrestrial Intelligence to create a diplomatic and research-based initiative

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to contact extraterrestrial civilizations.

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Chelsea, you can try looking up C-SETI.

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It does not take you to the C-SETI website anymore.

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I don't know what it takes you to.

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It's a really weird website.

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I got to find it really quick.

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The IPS Geneva.

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And if you type in Steven Greer in their little search box, his name comes up, but I don't

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know what they mean by it.

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It literally just comes up.

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It's not anything like he's written.

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It's just his name is in something.

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The Institute for Planetary Synthesis.

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And it's just like his name comes up in that.

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That's it.

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You can't click on anything.

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It's weird.

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It doesn't come up in this episode.

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It'll come up in the next episode where we've talked about close encounters before.

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There are initially three different categories of close encounters of the X kind.

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There was a proposed fourth.

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Steven Greer also came up with a proposed fifth close encounter, which is a human initiated

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contact and communication with an extra ratio life.

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While he was at C-SETI, this came up.

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C-SETI claims to have over 3000 confirmed reports of UFO sightings by pilots and over

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4,000 of what they described as landing traces.

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The organization uses rapid mobilization investigative teams with the aim of arriving

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at landing sites as quickly as possible.

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C-SETI has defined a protocol for human initiated contact of UFOs using consciousness.

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That's just from the Wikipedia.

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I could not find the actual C-SETI website.

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It's like Chelsea says at that IPS Geneva.

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But it says if I search Steven Greer, this comes up study for Center for the Study of

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Extraterrestrial Intelligence and it's an article.

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It's an international nonprofit scientific research and educational organization founded

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by Dr. Steven Greer.

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But that's it.

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Yeah, but it doesn't say.

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You can't find his name again.

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It's weird.

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No.

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Yeah, it doesn't say why it takes you here.

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No.

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And in any event, it's not that important because he doesn't talk about C-SETI a lot.

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It's the next thing that's really his big part.

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In 93, Greer founds the disclosure project, which is still up and alive today, the website.

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However, it really just takes you to drstevengreer.com.

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So whatever.

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The goal of which is to publicly disclose the government's alleged knowledge of UFOs,

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extraterrestrial intelligence and advanced energy and propulsion systems.

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And we're going to talk about as we keep going slowly what he means by all these things.

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Like don't worry, you're going to get a good idea of what this guy actually believes and

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what all those different parts mean.

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Greer describes the disclosure project as an effort to grant amnesty to government whistleblowers

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willing to violate their security oaths by sharing classified information about UFOs.

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And Chelsea in 1994, that seems pretty mundane until that point, right?

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He founded two things.

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He's a doctor.

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Okay.

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1994, he's on Larry King.

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Okay.

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He like, it's an hour, a documentary that Larry King's doing or sorry, a TV documentary

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called the UFO coverup.

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And it's him, Larry King, Stanton Freemans in it.

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And it's just basically them sitting outside area 51 talking about UFOs, which is in my

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mind like mind boggling that it goes from there from like, he's a doctor to he starts

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these things and he's on Larry King like out of nowhere.

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It's interesting.

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Why is he the one that's the contact?

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And yes.

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And Chelsea, all I can do is speculate, but it's not for this episode where I speculate.

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I'm just conveying how this is going.

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Yeah, it gives me some thoughts.

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So from here, I have an article that he wrote in April of 2001, just to kind of give you

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guys an idea of what's happened in the middle part here, because we're going to the next

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step is 2001.

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So Steven Greer wrote this in April of 2001.

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I know this because he signed it.

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Steven M Greer, MD, April 2001 did not have a title.

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So that's all I have to go from on his website too.

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Yeah.

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Beginning in 93, I started an effort that was designed to identify firsthand military

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and government witnesses to UFO witnesses, UFO events and projects, as well as other

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evidence to be used in public disclosure.

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From 1993, we spent considerable time and resources briefing the Clinton administration,

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including CIA director James Woolsey, senior military officials at the Pentagon and select

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members of Congress, among others.

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In April of 97, more than a dozen such government and military witnesses were assembled in Washington,

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DC for briefings with congressman Pentagon officials and others.

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Here we specifically requested open congressional hearings on the subject.

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None were forthcoming.

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In 98, we set out to privatize the disclosure process by raising the funds to videotape,

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edit and organize over 100 military and government witnesses to UFO events and projects.

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We had estimated that between $2 million and $4 million would be needed to do this on a

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worldwide basis.

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By August of 2000, only about 5% of this amount had been raised, but we decided to proceed

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since further delay was deemed imprudent given the serious issues involved here.

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So beginning in August, we began creating the witness archive project and we set out

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about the task of traveling all over the world to interview these witnesses in broadcast

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quality digital video format.

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Due to the severe limitations of funds, this effort was predominantly prepared by myself

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and a few other volunteers, roughly from August 2000 to December 2000.

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Beginning in late December 2000, I began editing over 120 hours of raw digital video

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testimony at home, which just sidebar from here, editing testimonies.

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I feel like you shouldn't be editing that.

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I feel like you should be releasing 120 hours of digital video testimony if it's so important.

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That's true.

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You make a very good point.

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But anyhow, let's continue with this.

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I should note that I am a medical doctor and not an editor.

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Nevertheless, from late December 2000 until late February 2001, the 120 hours were reduced

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first to 33 hours of select testimony and then 18 hours of super select testimony.

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The 33 hours of select testimony were dubbed to audio tape and transcribed, resulting in

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approximately 1200 pages of testimony transcripts.

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In March and early April 2001, I edited these transcripts into a readable form, which appear

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herein.

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I must emphasize that this has been done under the most severe time in funding constraints,

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working seven days a week and mostly 18 hours a day.

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And I thought the emergency department was tough.

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Sorry, this is meant to be a joke.

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And I thought the emergency department was tough.

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Hold for laughter.

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I share this only to the reader, so the reader will understand that these transcripts and

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other materials are very likely to contain errors.

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These include likely errors in proper names arising from the phonetic spelling of such

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names directly from the transcribed audio tapes of testimony.

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I apologize in advance for these.

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Transcripts that appear in the briefing document have only been altered to correct for a length

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and B grammar readability.

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I have assiduously avoided changing the meaning of testimony at all times.

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Statements and brackets are for clarification.

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Statements and italics and brackets reflect commentary on my part and are followed by

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the initials SG.

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These materials are, as you now discern, are the tip of the iceberg of what we have recorded

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on digital videotape.

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That is, from over 120 hours of testimony by over 100 witnesses, we transcribed only 33

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hours and then further edited materials down to a fraction of that amount.

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Moreover, the full archive represents the testimony of only 100 witnesses of the more

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than 400 identified to date.

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The edited testimony will be appearing in book form.

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A portion of it appears in disclosure project briefing document and only small excerpts

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and summary bios of testimony appear in this executive summary.

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We open the future to secure funding for a 5-6 part broadcast quality video documentary

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series to be made from the videotape testimonies we have as the impact of hearing and seeing

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these witnesses speak is very moving.

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As you read the testimonies, remember that it is indeed only the beginning, the rest

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is up to you, call and demand that Congress and the President and the leaders of other

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countries hold hearings into this subject without delay.

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These witnesses welcome a subpoena so that they may officially testify under oath to

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what they have experienced and said here.

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Read the most revealing testimony waits to be seen since the deepest sources are refusing

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to come forward until protected through official congressional hearings.

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This then brings me to my last point.

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The witnesses who have given testimony to date are extraordinarily brave men and women,

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heroes in my eyes who have taken great personal risk in coming forward.

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Some of them have been threatened and intimidated, all are risking the ever present ridicule

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that attend this subject.

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Not a single one of them has been paid for his or her testimony and has been given freely

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and without reservation for the good of humanity.

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I wish to personally thank them here and extend to them my personal highest respect and gratitude.

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Please, I implore you not to let this effort and their sacrifice be in vain.

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Help us place this matter in front of the public, the media and our elected representatives

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so that the full truth may be disclosed so that those earth saving technologies now

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classified may be released and so humanity may enter a new chapter in its evolution

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as one of many people in the cosmos.

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This summary is focusing on the testimony of important first hand witnesses.

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We have thousands of government documents, hundreds of photographs, trace, landing cases

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and more, but it is impossible to include them in a summary of this length.

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These materials will be made available for any serious scientific or congressional inquiry.

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Signed Steven M. Greer, MD, April 2001.

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And in May of 2001, Steven Greer holds a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington,

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DC that features 20 retired Air Force Federal Aviation Administrators and Intelligence Officers.

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So that's where he makes it big.

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Where is he getting money to fund this?

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We will talk about that in the second half, or at least I will speculate about it in the second half.

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He did work as an emergency doctor for several years, so potentially some of that's coming from there.

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But I have other speculations, which I will very clearly state a speculation in that episode

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as to where the money is coming from.

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It's only going to last him so long if he has a little bit saved up.

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He talks to his four daughters, I'm pretty sure too, that are all born in the late 80s to early 90s.

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Yeah, you can't just quit your job on a whim with responsibilities.

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I could not. This is not a spoiler for later on.

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I could not find anything where he gives me a good enough reason as to how he came into a position

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to just quit being a doctor and do this full time.

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Yeah, you would have to be.

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Well, and he goes from being a medical doctor to Larry King live.

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I can't, he does not, in my mind, fully enough explain how point A goes to point B.

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I look forward to the speculation in the next episode.

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We're missing something.

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Yeah, so he has this conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC in May of 2001.

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Apparently it was a big deal.

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He has these people come up and say, we have this evidence that we're not allowed to say.

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We have these pictures, we have evidence of landings, and we urge Congress to have a hearing about it.

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And like, how long is this after he's quit his job?

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Like, where is he getting all these whistleblowers that are just like, okay, like,

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let's give it to this guy nobody's heard about.

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Well, ever since the start, he's had whistleblowers, which I've always found very odd, too.

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Equin in 97, I believe.

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Like, I couldn't just, I could, I mean, I could, I would love to just like quit my job and be like,

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hey, I take whistleblower confessions now, but like, who's going to give me that?

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Well, we got to wait for Linda Moulton, how unfortunately to die.

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Not that we want that to happen.

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But they're all going to her right now in my mind.

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Because she's not asking questions.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I won't ask questions either.

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Like, I'll take them if you, if I can make a good enough.

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Yeah, I just have one thing to say to you, neat.

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Yeah.

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Anyhow, these are my questions so far.

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I have been like, every time I read more about him, I need to know like, how did you get

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from doctor to here?

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And why don't you ever, every time people ask him in their interviews and he gives an answer.

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I still, every time say why, I just don't understand.

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You even say you've given up so much money to do this.

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How did you do this?

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I don't get it.

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And no, there's not for everything I've read, there's not an answer.

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Unless like his wife is quite lucrative in whatever she's doing.

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Maybe, I don't know.

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Yeah, I wish I wanted to.

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And like every now and then it comes up, I believe it's his uncle that worked on the

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lunar space rover.

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And I'm like, that doesn't add anything to the story.

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Stop telling me that.

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It's come up more than once, eh?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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These are my questions so far.

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It comes up a lot on his podcast that he's on.

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I don't know why.

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I wouldn't be so confident.

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I don't have four daughters, but I wouldn't be so confident just to just quit my job and

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be like, the whistleblowers, they will come.

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I'm going to talk about it a bit at the end too, just with a bit of my theory with the

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doctor side of it.

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But let's get into some of his actual writings.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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His website, drstevengreer.com, Chelsea, you can go to it.

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It's actually set up pretty well for one of these people that we're covering.

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It's not an 1990s website.

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I think if you look at it, Chelsea, you will agree.

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It's actually like state of the art for the UFO community.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Oh, no way.

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And sorry, they just updated it.

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He's doing a cruise.

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And we could go on that in April of 2025.

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Oh, is that what this ocean is?

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Well, it was a cruise line.

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This is.

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But yeah, you can take a look at this.

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Like I said, it's a state of the art website for the UFO community.

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Like it has celebrity.

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A playing gif, a ticking thing where it goes to the next one.

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It is not a 1990s website.

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At the top, he has news, which isn't updated all that often.

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It's literally just his YouTube videos get that get put there.

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There also has his films, which we'll get into in the next episode.

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Expeditions, which we'll also get into the next episode.

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Energy, which kind of comes up on this episode.

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Most importantly, evidence and docs.

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And that's going to be the biggest part of this episode from here.

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Okay.

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Chelsea, if you go into evidence and docs and go to an overview,

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it just gives you, oh, sorry, not overview.

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We're going to go to document library.

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And it is, it doesn't look as great.

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It is like an Excel spreadsheet with PDFs.

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Eight pages of PDFs.

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Objections, not all that glitter is gold.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's actually when we read,

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I couldn't read everything just because it seems ridiculous.

490
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,120
And if you click on some of them, there's scans of books.

491
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,040
I clicked on dancing in the dark and it is literally from either a new

492
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,080
a magazine or a book and he put a scan of it in.

493
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,680
Briefing for President Clinton by Steven M. Greer.

494
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,040
Oh, I should have actually read that one.

495
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,160
I didn't read that one.

496
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,800
You want, you think she actually read this?

497
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:24,520
Probably not.

498
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:24,920
No.

499
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,200
In fact, that's one of those things.

500
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,040
I've never found a comment from a president that they've talked to Steven Greer,

501
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,640
but he says he's talked to all of them.

502
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,080
Oh, okay.

503
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,640
Fair enough.

504
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,760
I take his word for it.

505
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:35,320
He's a doctor.

506
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,640
Also, I do have to put it out there now too.

507
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,960
He gives me libertarian vibes in how he talks about a lot of things.

508
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,280
And you might get that from his writings.

509
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,400
And when I say libertarian, I'm not talking about the historical view of a social anarchist libertarian.

510
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,080
No, we're talking about the right wing.

511
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,960
Don't step on SNCC flag libertarian.

512
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,280
Anyhow, let's get back to everything I was talking about.

513
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,880
Also, Chelsea, there's a To the Stars Academy article on there too.

514
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,760
And it's literally just the bio of everybody who's on the To the Stars Academy team.

515
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,800
Yeah, that's weird.

516
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Like it's nothing else.

517
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,680
He has added nothing.

518
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,320
That's weird.

519
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:22,600
Okay, so if you click on document category, it has Dr. Greer's papers, interviews with Dr. Greer,

520
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,920
letters and briefings, new energy, press releases and newsletters, related papers.

521
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,160
Anyhow, Chelsea, I picked a select few of Steven Greer's papers to go over.

522
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,160
I picked the first one as secret and covert operations by the USA.

523
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,960
Okay.

524
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,360
Brigadier General Steven Lovekine, Army National Guard Reserves.

525
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:47,080
As a young Army officer, he worked with President Eisenhower in the last years of his presidency.

526
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040
But what happened was that Eisenhower got sold out.

527
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,920
Without him knowing it, he lost control of what was going on with the entire UFO situation.

528
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,640
In his last address to the nation, I think he was telling us that the military industrial complex

529
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,680
would stick you in the back if you were not totally vigilant.

530
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,080
I think he felt like he had not been vigilant.

531
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,400
I think he felt like he trusted too many people and Eisenhower was a trusting man.

532
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,360
And I think that he realized that all of a sudden this matter is going into the control

533
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:20,440
of corporations that could very well act to the detriment of his country.

534
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,880
This frustration from what I can remember went on for months.

535
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,640
He realized that he was losing control of the UFO subject as far as I can remember.

536
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800
That was the expression that was used.

537
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,600
Quote, it is not going to be in the best hands.

538
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,760
End quote, that was a real concern.

539
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,360
And so it has turned out to be, quote, it had been discussed with me on numerous occasions

540
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:43,800
what could happen to me militarily if I discuss this.

541
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,320
I would say that the government has done as good a job enforcing secrecy through the installation

542
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,240
of abject fear as they have done with anything within the memory of modern men.

543
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,360
End quote, one older officer discussed with me what possibly could happen if there was a revelation.

544
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:04,040
He was talking about being erased and I said, quote, man, what do you mean erased?

545
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,000
He said, yes, you will be erased disappear.

546
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,920
And I said, how do you know all this?

547
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,000
And he said, I know those threats have been made and carried out.

548
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640
Those threats started way back in 1947.

549
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,440
The army and the air force was given absolute control over how to handle this.

550
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,520
And this being the biggest security situation this country has ever dealt with.

551
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,600
And there have been some erasures.

552
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,560
I do not care what kind of a person you are.

553
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,120
I do not care how strong or courageous you are.

554
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:37,800
It would be a very fearful situation because from what math this old officer said, quote,

555
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,640
they will go after you after not only you, they will go after your family end quote.

556
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,680
Those were his words.

557
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,640
And so I can only say that the reason that they have managed to keep it under wraps for so long

558
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,840
is through fear.

559
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,480
They are very selective about how they pull someone out to make an example of.

560
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,720
And I know that this has been done.

561
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,200
And these are a few of the interviews that he's done.

562
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,400
Few things to note.

563
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,840
He is not great with his quotations and telling you who's speaking.

564
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,240
I've read that several times and I still can't quite understand if he's saying that this guy's

565
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,880
telling him a quote from Eisenhower at the time or if he's quoting himself in the past.

566
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,360
Oh, OK.

567
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,880
And I just, I can't tell.

568
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,160
And it doesn't say.

569
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,160
It does not say who's saying things.

570
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,320
Usually that's an important part of reading.

571
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,360
But to be fair, if I needed an appendix removed, I would go to Stephen Greer.

572
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:29,160
If I needed something well written in English, I might not go to a doctor per se.

573
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,360
Or edited, apparently.

574
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:30,600
Yes.

575
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,280
So these are the kinds of people he's talking to.

576
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,160
Next up, we have a Lance Corporal, Jonathan Wagon.

577
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,840
U.S. Marine Corps present at a retrieval of a UFO in South America.

578
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,880
This is his statement.

579
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Quote, you weren't supposed to be there.

580
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,280
End quote.

581
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Quote, you are not supposed to see this.

582
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,840
End quote.

583
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,960
Quote, you are going to be dangerous if we let you go.

584
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,600
End quote.

585
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,360
I thought that they were going to kill me.

586
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Really.

587
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Lethal deadly force has been used.

588
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,960
For those of you who don't know, I know Marine snipers and I have heard other guys talk about it.

589
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,880
And I've heard that these guys go on the streets and they stalk people and they kill them.

590
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,760
I know that the Army Airborne snipers do the same thing.

591
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,680
They use Delta Force to go grab these people and silence them by killing them.

592
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,200
That's what he's decided to display from this guy's testimony.

593
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,320
That's weird.

594
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Yeah.

595
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,840
A next witness statement that he gives is Larry Warren, U.S. Air Force Security Officer present

596
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,280
during the landing of a UFO at Brentwater Air Force Base in the UK.

597
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,560
We were gone over with a Geiger counter and there was one return on one of the guys and

598
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,480
something was taken out of his pocket.

599
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,480
Bracket, he had picked up an item from the Retrieved Craft and Bracket.

600
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,120
This guy was removed very quickly and I will swear on my life, I never saw him again.

601
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,840
He was removed.

602
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,280
This happened to a lot of people.

603
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
It led to a suicide that the Air Force is responsible for.

604
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,080
This is a real person with a real name.

605
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Dot, dot, dot it.

606
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Just yeah.

607
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Is he insinuating that there's multiple UFO sightings at Brentwater's?

608
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,760
That I mean...

609
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720
No, I think this is the famous Brentwater's case.

610
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,880
I think he picked a person who was on the janitorial team who had absolutely no connection

611
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,320
to the freaking sighting.

612
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,360
And Chelsea, I'm sure you've noticed it at this point, but none of the witness testimonies that

613
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,600
he gets give direct information.

614
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,320
It's always second or even third hand evidence that he's getting from these people.

615
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
That is super bizarre.

616
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Or they don't seem to give specific details.

617
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Like the fact that they just said, oh, they can erase people and he's like,

618
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,480
what do you mean?

619
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,440
He's like, you know.

620
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,640
And that's it.

621
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,280
And is that almost like they're being fed information to tell him?

622
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,080
I don't think it's...

623
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,840
No, Chelsea, if you're going to feed somebody information, you give them specific information.

624
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,560
No, no, no.

625
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,280
But it's like, say enough that it seems like you say something, but when you're pressed,

626
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,600
just say, be vague about it.

627
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,240
Like, are they actual witnesses?

628
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,720
Like...

629
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,920
We've seen fake witnesses before in Doty who have given specific details.

630
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
They give specific details if they're giving fake.

631
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,360
Trying to come up with something that he's just failing miserably at them?

632
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,600
And he's just interviewing wrong people?

633
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Or is he trying to get people who seem like they have something that they just won't say

634
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,640
because they're saying too much or they're just alluding to the fact that...

635
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Let's keep reading because I got a few more of these and let's see if we can

636
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,600
glean any more details.

637
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,480
That's so weird.

638
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,920
But I've never heard of any suicides being associated with the Ben waters.

639
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,640
With Randall Schiffler.

640
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,320
If you listen until that last sentence, there was no suicide.

641
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Let's read this again.

642
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,680
This guy was removed very quickly and I will swear on my life I never saw him again.

643
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,840
That doesn't explain he committed suicide.

644
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,360
Outside of him at the end saying it led to a suicide at the Air Force Base,

645
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,960
but they don't also say that it was that guy who committed suicide.

646
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760
No, I didn't assume it was that guy.

647
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,120
It could have been anyone.

648
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,960
Again, it's I never saw him again.

649
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,000
He was removed.

650
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,440
This happened to a lot of people.

651
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
So they were transferred to another location?

652
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,040
It seems like he's...

653
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,600
I don't know.

654
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,560
This is weird though.

655
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,760
This is weird that they're not giving information.

656
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,080
No.

657
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,440
And if you're taking an interview, if you're actually trying to investigate something,

658
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,960
you want specific details.

659
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,080
You want to know what they can back up and what comes directly from them, which is important.

660
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,200
Anyhow, let's move on to the next one.

661
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,440
I've already noticed a few red flakes.

662
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Yeah.

663
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,280
I can't continue.

664
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,960
So this comes from Professor Robert Jacobs, U.S. Air Force,

665
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,240
who filmed a UFO intercepting an early ICBM, Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Test.

666
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,800
What happened to the film is an interesting story in itself as Major Man's...

667
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,200
Sorry.

668
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,520
I just feel like this is a fake story because of this major's name.

669
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,920
Major Man's Man related to me and other people.

670
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,000
Sometime after I had gone, the guys in civilian clothes, I thought it was the CIA,

671
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,080
but he said no, it wasn't the CIA.

672
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,040
It was somebody else took the film and they spooled off the part that had the UFO on it.

673
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,040
And they took a pair of scissors and cut it off.

674
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,880
They put that on a separate reel.

675
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,320
They put it in their briefcase.

676
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,320
They handed Major Man's Man back the rest of the film and said here,

677
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,720
quote, I don't need to remind you major of the severity of a security breach.

678
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,640
We'll consider this incident closed.

679
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,120
End quote.

680
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,560
And they walked off with the film.

681
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Major Man's Man never saw it again.

682
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,080
We're Man's Man.

683
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,000
You got it right, right there.

684
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Who was it then?

685
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Yeah.

686
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Major Man's Man, you've got some spleen and to do.

687
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,720
Could have been anyone.

688
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Could have been Dr. Stephen Greer and the whatever he works for it doesn't work for

689
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,640
because he has it.

690
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,760
That's me there actually.

691
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,360
If he had a fake like soldier alias, it would be Major Man's Man.

692
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Okay.

693
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Another vague one, right?

694
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,240
It's like alluding to something bad, but they'll never talk about it specifically.

695
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Yeah, that's what they did in the lot.

696
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,240
There's a lot of alluding to something going on.

697
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,320
But next one's Merle Shane McDow from US Navy Atlantic Command.

698
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,120
These two gentlemen began to question me about this event.

699
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,160
They were being pretty rough about it, to be honest with you.

700
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,120
That's great.

701
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,240
Maybe you can explain how they were being rough in your frickin statement here.

702
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Anyhow, I remember literally putting my hands up and saying,

703
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,400
quote, wait a minute, fellows, I am on your side.

704
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,080
Just a minute end quote, because they were not really nice.

705
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,520
They were very intimidating and made it quite clear to the point that nothing that was seen,

706
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,800
heard or witnessed that transpired was to leave this building.

707
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,080
You are not to say a word about it to your coworkers and off base.

708
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,960
So what?

709
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,880
You just forget everything that you may have seen or heard concerning this.

710
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,000
It did not happen.

711
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,760
And this is the paragraph he put in his article on the PDF

712
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,720
to give you an idea of this witness statement.

713
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:39,720
That was the vaguest thing I've ever heard.

714
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,160
What's the witness statement?

715
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,280
It's not that, is it?

716
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,800
They were rough about it, Chelsea.

717
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,000
They were rough about it.

718
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:45,400
That's it.

719
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Oh, he didn't actually give a statement or anything.

720
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,400
I don't even know what he saw.

721
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,120
That's literally all the grief in that.

722
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,760
Why is he giving this as a statement?

723
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,600
No, to be fair, he ends it with an ellipsis, a dot, dot, dot.

724
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000
So there is more to the witness statement.

725
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,520
But like he put this in his article of the witness statement that he's giving.

726
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,160
So he thought this was important and good.

727
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,240
No, I mean, that's not good.

728
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,400
And if those were good.

729
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,880
Next one is from Dr. Robert Wood, McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer.

730
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,600
It's he a doctor.

731
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,040
I have no idea.

732
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,680
I don't think he asked either, to be fair.

733
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Sorry, I speculate because he doesn't ask questions, it seems.

734
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Okay.

735
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,120
I love.

736
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,480
He worked in the emergency room with them.

737
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,960
I feel like if I were to go in and just say, like, if I was to conduct an interview and just say,

738
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:44,120
just talk about your experience, I would get better information than he came away with.

739
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:44,760
Potentially.

740
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,360
Like by far, if you said, tell me about your experience.

741
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,520
I feel like I would get better information than whatever the fuck these guys are talking about.

742
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,760
And Chelsea, I feel like you would naturally come to points where you say, like, can you elaborate?

743
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,280
What do you mean by rough?

744
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,120
What do you mean?

745
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Like you never saw him again.

746
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Like, tell me what you mean.

747
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:04,760
Yeah.

748
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,080
And like what actually happened that they were rough with you?

749
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Why did they need to be rough?

750
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,600
And like in the weirdest twist, oh, I was actually blinded later that day.

751
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,360
So I never saw anybody again.

752
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:18,280
Okay.

753
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,720
Anyhow, Dr. Wood, as you may know, when you get cleared for one of these classified programs,

754
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,760
you wear your special badge and you know, you can talk to anybody who's in the room with a lot of

755
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,240
candor.

756
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,680
And it feels like that's one special psychological group.

757
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,920
There's a lot of camaraderie that builds up and you had access to special libraries.

758
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,880
So one of the things that we could do is go up to the library that the Air Force ran and sort of

759
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,000
paw through top secret material.

760
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Since I was interested in UFOs, when I had some usual business to take care of, I'd also look in their library to see what they had on UFOs.

761
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,120
And for about a year, I was getting a few hits on the subject about various reports.

762
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,080
Then all of a sudden, the whole subject material vanished.

763
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,720
Also, like again, like you were getting hits.

764
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:01,960
Okay.

765
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,720
Can you tell us anything about those?

766
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:10,360
Seeing as how like you think you would remember if you're in like a top secret lab and you just decided to Google UFOs and like

767
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,720
something came up, you think you might remember what the first UFO story was.

768
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,520
Like even if it was an article, was it photos?

769
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Like what the hell were you seeing?

770
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,840
Then all of a sudden the whole subject material vanished.

771
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,560
The entire classification for the subject just vanished.

772
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:30,840
The librarian in our group that I was working with said he had been in that vault for 20 years and knew exactly how things were normally done.

773
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,760
He said, this is remarkable.

774
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,760
He said, I've never seen that before.

775
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,120
You just don't have a whole subject vanished out from under you.

776
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,080
He said, I think there is something there that you hit on.

777
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Dot, dot, dot.

778
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:50,040
In the meantime, there was one other thing that came about as a result of my association with Jim McDonald, a well-known UFO scientific investigator.

779
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,000
I liked the guy.

780
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,640
He was really an energetic physicist and would not let any grass grow under his feet.

781
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:02,680
When he got to a case, he would dig his teeth into it and present an overwhelmingly convincing story to professional societies.

782
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:09,000
He would talk to the American Institute of Aeronautics and the American Physical Society and I happened to be a member of both.

783
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,080
So whenever he was in town, I would pick him up, escort him, made sure he felt welcome.

784
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,200
So once when I was traveling through Tucson where he lived, I stopped.

785
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,520
I had a two-hour layover to catch an airplane and he came out to the airport to have a beer with me.

786
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,800
I said, what's new Jim?

787
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,080
And he said, I think I've got it.

788
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,520
I said, what do you think you got?

789
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,280
And he said, I think I got the answer.

790
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,320
I said, what is it?

791
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,080
And he said, I can't tell you yet.

792
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,600
I have got to be sure.

793
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,840
It was six weeks later that he tried to shoot himself.

794
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,920
A couple months after that, he finally died.

795
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,880
Knowing what I think, I now suspect about the skills of our counterintelligence people.

796
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,840
I think we had the capacity to convince him to do it himself.

797
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,440
I think that is what happened.

798
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,960
End of quote there.

799
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,280
We haven't talked about any specific sightings or real evidence at all.

800
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,160
No, no, we're just looking at some of his witness statements that he's been looking at.

801
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,480
But from this, he kind of gathers what his viewpoint is on this.

802
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,880
So I'm just going to...

803
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,320
That doesn't sound good.

804
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,640
From everything he's gathered, just before I got into this, I wanted to give you the

805
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,560
witness statements and show you kind of what he's at least showing he's looked into.

806
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,760
Does that make sense?

807
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,080
Yes.

808
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,840
Now, one of those, the one with the library where something went missing, did he tell that in a

809
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,480
documentary because that sounds familiar?

810
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,240
So he definitely uses it as something.

811
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,240
What's saying a whole lot.

812
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:35,160
No, we have no idea where he was working, what he actually saw in there, and a weird

813
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,600
statement from a librarian, just a librarian in the group who's like, this never happens.

814
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,520
Maybe I should hold it to the end.

815
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:49,640
But I feel like he's crafting this in a way that your mind is filling in blanks of what

816
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,360
you think they're seeing.

817
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,720
Yes, and that's not what you should be doing with witness statements.

818
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,240
If you are collecting evidence, you should not have to fill in the blanks.

819
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:05,560
You should have questions stated to show where there are blanks, which are damning to the evidence.

820
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Yeah, and I mean the guy's intelligent enough to know that what he's doing isn't right.

821
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,880
We can say he's intelligent.

822
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Again, I need to emphasize his area of education is medicine, which does have

823
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,320
questioning somewhat, but it's not really an investigatory system where you have some

824
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,440
of the things who might- No, it's not.

825
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:30,920
But basic bachelor, which he would have more education than that, he would have some sort

826
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,560
of writing skill at the very least.

827
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,360
But- One would hope.

828
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,880
I feel it would have to be intentional.

829
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,000
What was his bachelor in?

830
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,600
Sorry, I can go back and look because it's in his profile.

831
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,640
I don't know.

832
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,480
I would assume like you would-

833
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:44,280
Biology.

834
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,560
So he might not have a- he doesn't have any English in his background.

835
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Okay, fair enough.

836
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:54,760
But to me, you would have to be intelligent enough to know you're leaving gaps of information

837
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,520
out for people to fill in, which to me is manipulation.

838
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:04,120
People putting in their own views there for what they think it is, and he's attracting

839
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:10,040
a very specific set of people who are going to fill in obvious answers to what he's kind

840
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,080
of leaving out.

841
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,680
So Chelsea, I agree fully with that, but we're just trying to shape this guy and like kind

842
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,000
of come to a conclusion, a viewpoint on him from what he's collected.

843
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,640
So he's gathered this information and he kind of gives an idea of what's going on here

844
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,240
because there's something hidden here.

845
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,600
I think it's clear from his witness statements that that's what he's focusing on.

846
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,160
There is something hidden and intimidated about.

847
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,360
Would you at least agree with that?

848
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,760
Like that seems to be what's going on with those statements.

849
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,120
Yes, that seems to be the point that he's trying to make.

850
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,440
Yes.

851
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,800
About what information unknown.

852
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,520
We may never find an answer to what's going on.

853
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,760
I think we are going to talk about it as we get going.

854
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,320
But here we're just going to talk a bit about like what his viewpoint is on everything.

855
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:02,120
This is in the early 2000s, I believe might be the mid 2000s, but in any event it's after

856
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,480
he started down this career.

857
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,080
So there is secrecy, the group maintaining the secrecy at least at a policy level,

858
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,640
number some 200 to 300 individuals from a number of countries and represents a powerful

859
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,680
array of interests, including those connected to financial, technological, security, religious,

860
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,840
media, political and scientific areas.

861
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,040
In 1993, contacts in this group stated to us that about a third of those involved were in

862
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,840
favor of ending the secrecy and a broad disclosure of the facts as of today.

863
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,560
We estimate over 40% hold this position.

864
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,040
That's a pretty bold statement to make when he's like giving no information and he's like,

865
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,680
you know, everybody wants you to end the secrecy.

866
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:46,040
Like he's never even said like asked what is it that you've seen the question wasn't even asked.

867
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,120
They may have the information.

868
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,800
We don't have a secret.

869
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Yes.

870
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,720
Like he could literally just be holding something back and not stating like he didn't ask the

871
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:56,440
question.

872
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,960
What information?

873
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Yeah.

874
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,080
No.

875
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,080
And to be fair, like what he's saying is at least I think I've gleaning this from this

876
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,800
and I would clearly state this in anything I wrote.

877
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,280
This is speculation, but that everybody that he's interviewed only has a piece of the

878
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,840
information.

879
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Like he said, 200 to 300 people have the powerful array and know what's going on.

880
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,000
And oh my God.

881
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,400
No, sorry.

882
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,840
We have to hold that for the next episode.

883
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,320
We can't.

884
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:28,120
So kind of seeing suggesting that we can't have the information that they can't say just

885
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
somebody's holding it back.

886
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,760
No, it's a powerful group behind the scenes who knows it all and it's holding it back.

887
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:40,040
And the people he's interviewing have little pieces of it and he's trying to put it together.

888
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,320
He doesn't even know what that information is though.

889
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,280
He has ideas.

890
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,720
He definitely has ideas.

891
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,720
I don't care about his ideas.

892
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,800
He's never asked these people.

893
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,360
So it's like you're going to get a witness statement that's not telling you what they're

894
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
witnessing and he's forming ideas.

895
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,520
So what's going on?

896
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,640
That's all he says.

897
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,400
That's just an interview question.

898
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,200
Oh my God.

899
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:02,840
Okay.

900
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,400
Sorry, actually his interview question might be hello, how are you?

901
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,240
And just like he stares at them blankly.

902
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:09,400
Okay.

903
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,880
I'll go ahead and hit this down later.

904
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,400
Yeah, it might be JD Vance in fact and just says okay, good.

905
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,240
Yeah, okay, good.

906
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:17,640
Whatever.

907
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,920
I want you to work here.

908
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Okay, good.

909
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,760
Whatever makes sense.

910
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,280
Oh God, I hope by this time he's not VP.

911
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,240
Anyhow, those who think that such a group could not get away indefinitely with such secrecy are

912
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:29,560
right.

913
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,440
We have obtained sufficient actionable intelligence sources and documents to make

914
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,080
sorry, just Chelsea.

915
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,240
I need to read this sentence again.

916
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:44,920
We have obtained sufficient actionable intelligence sources and documents to make the case.

917
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:50,200
We have names, program code numbers and the location of operations and corporate programs

918
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,960
and related vital intelligence.

919
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,160
But to whom will this information be disclosed and to what end?

920
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,320
So apparently he's not disclosing that part to us.

921
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,440
That's for sure because he gave the vaguest statements he could.

922
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,920
Just really confused about that statement.

923
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,240
Do people know what he's actually like, what he's doing?

924
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,320
I don't think they do.

925
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:10,600
No, we can't.

926
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,600
Because if you listen to a lot of the things he says, he says you should go onto my website

927
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,120
where I put all of our evidence and this is the evidence.

928
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,000
Oh, and this is my favorite statement that he makes where he kind of gets into

929
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,400
quite he gets into legal opinions slash advice, which I find hilarious as somebody who has

930
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,640
practice law does not practice law anymore and will always make it very clear when I'm not

931
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,400
providing legal advice.

932
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,920
I am not providing legal advice here.

933
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,520
This is a statement from Steven Greer.

934
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Since the secrecy related to these technologies and operations is rogue, unconstitutional and harmful,

935
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,080
any legitimate governmental or international body could hold a hearing at which witnesses

936
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,680
and evidence could be presented.

937
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,800
Legal and national security experts associated with the disclosure project have determined

938
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:02,200
that since the secrecy is unregulated and outside the bounds of the law, the leaders of such projects

939
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,960
have no legitimate right to enforce such secrecy.

940
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,840
This means that those persons holding secrets are no longer unconstitutionally bound by any

941
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,920
past or current secrecy oaths.

942
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,640
This assessment has been shared with senior government officials and to date, no entity

943
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,040
or official has challenged this position.

944
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Significantly, during the preparation and in the aftermath the above mentioned national

945
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,920
press club event, none of the whistleblowers or staff of the disclosure project have been

946
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,760
threatened or silenced in any way.

947
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,560
We have been able to make a definitive case for the evidence as also for the illegal nature

948
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,800
of the secrecy, hence no legal entity can insist on silence.

949
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120
There's some very concerning things in that.

950
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Number one, he can't even take a statement and he's giving like all this legal jargon.

951
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Number two, you see this a lot with cult leaders and stuff like that, where he's giving an

952
00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:00,600
enemy for everyone to collectively hate but in a very vague way, which is like the secret

953
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,360
holders and that they have this.

954
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,720
I find that hilarious Chelsea because when he talks about the aliens themselves, they are

955
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:08,840
nothing but love.

956
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,280
I'll talk about that once we get to that point.

957
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Also, I need to make this statement now before you keep going.

958
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,240
I need to get this out of the way.

959
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:26,440
He's showing that the fact that the US government has not prosecuted them for breaching NDAs as

960
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,760
proof that the NDAs are unconstitutional that these people had to sign actually makes me

961
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,960
believe that these people didn't sign NDAs that need to be prosecuted, not that they aren't enforceable.

962
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Oh, wow.

963
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,600
Yeah, that's a very good point.

964
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,800
That's a very good point.

965
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,240
They have taken no legal repercussions, like literally not.

966
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:43,960
Well, that is.

967
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,360
Not even a letter that says cease and desist.

968
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,880
That speaks for itself, I think.

969
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,240
Not if you ask Steven Greer.

970
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,600
That shows that they agree with his assessment.

971
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,240
Like I said, this is used for critique purposes.

972
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,000
That gives you a bit of an idea of who we're talking about here, Chelsea.

973
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,680
The next article we're going to be reading from him is called unacknowledged terror.

974
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,320
You'll notice if you click on any of his articles, it's really hard to tell what order they come in.

975
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,600
They don't have dates on them.

976
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,000
There is quite a lot of them as well.

977
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,440
There's a ton of them, too.

978
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,640
But I wanted to kind of, I think this one gets into it, that he both talks about like

979
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:27,160
you should be fearful of things, but also loving of things, which like you were just talking about,

980
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,400
it does kind of give you that culty feel.

981
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,360
So we're going to start here.

982
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,400
I, for one, have foregone a medical career and the mundane, if fleetingly gratifying comforts

983
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,280
that life affords.

984
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,600
Because I came across the at once wonderful and horrible truth that the essential solutions

985
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,320
to many of the world's most pressing problems have been systemically and ruthlessly withheld from the public.

986
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,880
But there are many who have made the ultimate sacrifice to try and tell the world what we now

987
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,400
struggle might lead to disclose.

988
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,120
We are not alone in the universe that a global and powerful group has hidden this truth from the world,

989
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,760
and that the science's, technology's, energy, generation systems, and propulsion systems that

990
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,200
could create a new, the world exists in the ultra secret world, unacknowledged special access projects.

991
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,160
There is no doubt that we are dealing with beings who are capable of reading by both telepathic and

992
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:17,160
conventional means our true intentions and motivations who can sense the quote spirit of our endeavor,

993
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:17,720
end quote.

994
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:23,000
Success requires that the spirit of our endeavor be one of scientific openness, the search for truth,

995
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,000
altruism, selflessness, harmlessness, and non covetousness.

996
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:33,720
A desire for the peaceful furtherance of the ETI human relationship is paramount for these reasons,

997
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:38,200
quote, purity of the motive, end quote. On the part of human researchers and investigators is

998
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,840
a primary requisite while specific skills, expertise, and technologies are important,

999
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,600
but secondary considerations.

1000
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,320
The breadth and clarity of our consciousness is imperative and transcends all other considerations.

1001
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:54,280
Our obsession with technology and outward things tend to obscure the big picture of the ETI human

1002
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,040
relationship and all that it entails.

1003
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,440
A review of the cases to date would indicate that while some actions are enigmatic and even

1004
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,880
disturbing to some human sensibilities, no evidence of net hostile intentions exists.

1005
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:11,080
Here we must differentiate between our perception of actions and actual intentions or motives,

1006
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,200
since these are two separate considerations.

1007
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,120
For a more thorough treatment of this topic, see the case of non-hostility.

1008
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,840
A seemingly disturbing action may occur for a net neutral or even benevolent purpose.

1009
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,400
Certainly as an emergency and trauma doctor, not a day goes by where a child or impaired adult

1010
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,040
victim of trauma could view my efforts to help him as painful and therefore motivated by it as

1011
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,840
our due harm, even though my motives are just the opposite. That a frightened child perceives

1012
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,160
my actions as hurtful or malevolent is a function of the child's level of awareness and knowledge,

1013
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,560
and in no way reflects my true intentions. Could not an analogous process be occurring

1014
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,960
with ETI events, which conventional wisdoms has deemed hostile and therefore as evidence of malevolent

1015
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,120
intentions? End quote. That's the only part I wanted to read from this.

1016
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,400
I just really wanted to focus on two things here. First off, the whole fact that he's saying you

1017
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,920
need pure intentions to contact or interact with these beings? That really contrasts with the fact

1018
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,920
that the government is covering up the fact that they have this information, does it not?

1019
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:17,640
It directly is contradicting that, yes, because obviously he's alluding that they're the bad guys

1020
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,040
and they're against us who want answers, but they have it.

1021
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,440
So if you need pure intentions to interact with them, how the fuck did they get it in the first

1022
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,960
place? Would that not uh... Either they're not as powerful as he's making this information out to

1023
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,600
be, or the information that you're giving us is wrong. Those are the only two things.

1024
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Maybe he's the bad guy and they're the good guys. Or maybe the good guy who got it got beat up.

1025
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:49,160
Who knows? They took his stuff. When you really dig at this, there's a lot of implications to what

1026
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:55,400
this guy is saying. Yeah, and they're not good. It's not looking good. And anyhow, he talks a lot too

1027
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,360
about how the reason they're hiding this information is because the oil and gas industry

1028
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,680
run everything. That comes up a lot in his writings and they don't want to give up oil and gas,

1029
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,800
so they're hiding this. But that still, it runs into that problem of how do they know about this?

1030
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,200
How did they get this technology if they're trying to hide it? They don't seem to have pure intentions.

1031
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,880
Let me guess though, he does have the pure intentions to be running his workshops.

1032
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,880
Yes, we're gonna talk about the workshops in the second half though. And Chelsea, this next

1033
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,800
article is kind of why I've been giving these disclaimers as we go. So this one's called

1034
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:33,000
The Foundations of Interplanetary Unity. And in all caps, right at the top of this article,

1035
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,240
it says, you have my permission to quote from this information in press releases,

1036
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:43,400
periodicals, and speeches. Inclusions that any other media requires my express written permission.

1037
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:50,360
Okay. I would like to restate that I am using this for a critique and or educational purpose,

1038
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:56,520
and therefore it is fair use under copyright law. I would also very clearly like to state at this

1039
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:02,600
point that I find it very odd that a man who is fighting against withheld information is himself

1040
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:09,080
including a do not share this information statement at the beginning of one of his articles.

1041
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:15,960
I feel like he knows his law stuff though, based on the other stuff that we've read. So

1042
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:21,160
I don't think he has. Of course, Chelsea. Of course, I feel like he might. Do you ever,

1043
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,800
do you know people who are fairly good at one thing and therefore think they're good at everything?

1044
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Yeah. Okay. That's all I wanted to know, Chelsea. Sorry, completely unrelated to this.

1045
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:36,520
No, I know people who are not good at that one thing, but think they know everything.

1046
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,280
Okay. Yeah. Just completely unrelated to everything. It was a non sequitur there.

1047
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,840
We'll get back to this. Anyhow, this is the foundations of interplanetary unity.

1048
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,200
There's more to it than what I've just picked the selects that I want to talk about. There are

1049
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,360
more than 100 first and second hand witnesses, the retrieval of an extraterrestrial spacecraft,

1050
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:57,880
and at least four extraterrestrial bodies from a crash which occurred in July of 1947,

1051
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,520
75 miles northwest of Roswell, New Mexico, written in videotape testimonies from several

1052
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,240
first hand witnesses who are respected military officers have been attained. So Chelsea, he's

1053
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:13,000
a full believer in Roswell. What? I wonder what he thinks about Bill Moore. That's a great question.

1054
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,160
I actually don't know on that one, but there's going to be some names who come up in part two.

1055
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,000
There are hundreds of credible reports, many with multiple witnesses of humanoids and

1056
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,120
associates who once landed spacecrafts. C. SETI has in the past 18 months succeeded in

1057
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,200
intentionally establishing contact with extraterrestrial spacecrafts on two occasions at

1058
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,640
very large at very close range and with multiple witnesses present. Numerous US government documents

1059
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,880
exist, which indicate that these objects are real and have been involved with observing

1060
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,040
Earth for several decades. I just really wanted to focus here, Chelsea, on the specificity of

1061
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:53,160
everything he just said. Hundreds, numerous, multiple witnesses. Yeah, doesn't get specific

1062
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,640
ever. It's for a reason. Let's keep going with this article. For argument's sake, let us state

1063
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:03,080
that all the evidence available to us in the civilian domain constitutes only 10% probability

1064
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,560
of contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. Does this not constitute adequate evidence to

1065
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:13,240
initiate a serious scientific and diplomatic mission? Certainly in medicine, a 10% probability

1066
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:18,440
of finding a cure for cancer will warrant an all out effort in the cancer research community.

1067
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:24,040
For it is generally true that the stakes are very high. The probability of success need not be

1068
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,240
prior to initiating a research project. Without question, the stakes are so high in this area

1069
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:34,760
that even a 10% probability is adequate to mount one of the most extensive worldwide research

1070
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:41,880
initiatives in history. Which I don't think he's right there. It sounds kind of wrong to say this,

1071
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:48,280
but like a 10% probability of this all being true. I just, is he saying that there's a 90%

1072
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:54,680
chance that everything that he's looked at is bullshit? And if he's giving what he's looked

1073
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,680
at a 10% chance, I'm going to give it way less of a chance from everything we've just read.

1074
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:06,840
Okay, why would he quit his job as an ER doctor? Like a doctor? I mean, that's a great question,

1075
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:14,360
Chelsea. We would have to ask him. I see a contact here. You can ask him maybe. Anyhow,

1076
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,000
from I just find that last statement that even if there's a 10% chance, if there was only a 10%

1077
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,200
chance of finding a cure for cancer, you would do it. Now like, well, I think more has to go into it

1078
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:31,640
just than a 10% chance. And who has given that 10% chance? Yeah. Is it somebody who's trying to sell

1079
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,800
a lot of Econesha? And he's saying that Econesha has at least a 10% chance of curing cancer.

1080
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:44,040
I'm speechless. I don't know what to say. I know that's how I was through. Chelsea,

1081
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:50,520
this guy does so much. And like, I've just, I have so many questions that every time no

1082
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:56,120
question ever got answered. And you have my feelings of anything. Anyhow, we got one more

1083
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:01,720
documentary to watch. So I assume everything gets answered in that one. Is it called the answer?

1084
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:08,520
Yes, there's that. Oh man, I have so much to say on that stuff, but we, this is justice writing.

1085
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,400
Somebody in his group got contacted by somebody. They received a direct message, Chelsea. So this

1086
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,400
is, what was the name of that episode that's coming out like right before this one? Channeled

1087
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:25,720
entities. Oh yeah. I don't know. I can't remember that one. Karen Ong, who's part of C-SET, he actually

1088
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:32,840
received a direct message after one of his CU5 events. Look at us go. So he wrote this down.

1089
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,880
July 7, 2005, please don't thank me for the message. It was given to me for the group. I was just the

1090
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,360
messenger. We should simply send love and thanks to our beautiful ET friends who I'm sure would love

1091
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,320
for it to be included in the training kit. I am more than happy for you to use any of the information

1092
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,320
that you need to on the website or in training materials in order for it to get the message

1093
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,760
across to others. Here's the message Karen received. Quote, you seek to be ambassadors to the universe?

1094
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:02,680
You must first seek to be ambassadors to yourselves. How can you accept us, our differences, if you

1095
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,880
cannot accept each other's? Honor all life forms. Cherish those who are different. For differences

1096
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:13,880
is what enhances life. Seek not proof of life, but honor the reality of existence. See with your

1097
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:19,160
heart. Listen to your soul. Feel with your knowing. Many are chosen. Few will follow. That's the

1098
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,480
message she received from a CE5 event, which we're not really talking about yet. I just wanted to

1099
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,760
include that. This is a clear fight. And sorry, this is the last of his writings. And this is,

1100
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,800
I think he elaborates on his 10% case in this. And this is from abductions, not all that glitter

1101
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,000
is gold. 1996, Stephen Greer. In looking at the raw data and reports of alleged human

1102
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,200
extraterrestrial contacts, I would estimate that fewer than 10% of such cases are what they appear

1103
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,720
to be. The other 90% of cases are combinations of the following. Misedification of other unusual

1104
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:54,600
experiences, which due to the dominant pop culture enthrallment with all things alien, get labeled

1105
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,160
as an abduction. These include so-called and mislabeled paranormal experiences related to

1106
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,480
lucid dreams, out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, astrobody encounters with other

1107
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:09,480
non-humans, but equally non-extrrestrial entities, and similar related phenomena. The need for an

1108
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,280
expanded cosmological view of potential human experiences should be obvious. It is all too

1109
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,560
easy to mislead one experience if you do not know what the possibilities are. Deree is referred to

1110
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:24,680
extra-tional new cosmology by Stephen Greer for more in-depth treatment of the cosmology.

1111
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,960
Why he gets into this is because he had a near-death experience when he was younger. Again,

1112
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,680
Chelsea, I told you I'd get into it as much as I can. That's as much as he's explained about it.

1113
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:40,040
He had an out-of-body experience from it though, and he saw some aliens. So that's why he believes

1114
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:45,800
that this is the metaphysical side of it. That's as much as I can get into it. I wish I had more.

1115
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,520
He tells more about the metaphysical side of it, but that's literally the whole story on that.

1116
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Does not explain how he got into UFOs. And probably the most recent thing that Stephen

1117
00:59:54,760 --> 01:00:00,440
Greer has done is that he had a 2023 National Press Gallery Conference again. There is a live

1118
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,760
recording of it. I should watch it. I have the selection from it. Over the course of the last

1119
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,840
30 years, Stephen Greer has provided briefings for sitting U.S. President, senior government officials,

1120
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,680
across the globe, and has conducted countless media interviews and delivered hundreds of lectures.

1121
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,240
He has identified over 700 high-level government and corporate whistleblowers willing to testify

1122
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,280
regarding UFO ET issue. He has authored five books and has produced five feature film documentaries

1123
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,760
that have been viewed by nearly a billion people. His latest film, The Lost Century and How to

1124
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,120
Reclaim It, will be released on June 6, 2023. In his unprecedented event, Dr. Greer will be

1125
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,760
presenting extraordinary cases with live government whistleblower testimony exposing the existence

1126
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,240
of the illicit illegal secret government, the state of the UFO UAP disclosure in the Washington,

1127
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:47,160
D.C. area, and more. Chelsea, the National Press Gallery sounds pretty official, right?

1128
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Yeah. Makes it seem like it's actually something related to the press.

1129
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:58,200
Yes. It's not something like anybody can just do, right? Well, that would be my assumption, yes.

1130
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:05,160
I want you to go to www.press.org. A world-leading professional organization for journalists.

1131
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,960
And I want you to look at the ribbon at the top. The club, calendar, host an event,

1132
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:15,320
studios, newsroom, joe. I want you to click on host an event. Post your event at the National Press

1133
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:22,840
Club. Anybody can do this. You can literally, if you go about a halfway down the page, you can submit

1134
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:28,040
an event request form to just rent the place out. They got their menus of good food. 650 beers.

1135
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:33,720
Pretty good deal. I am of the opinion that he's just renting this out. It's for the persona that

1136
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:39,000
it gives to him because it's hosted the National Press Club, but I'm fairly certain he's just

1137
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:44,760
renting this place out for it. Yeah. Sounds like it. And also, I have another thing that I wanted

1138
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,960
to read to you from NBC that I think we're going to kind of start to steer it in the part where,

1139
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,520
hey, maybe he's not such a great guy at this point because I know I've built him up as such a great

1140
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,640
character. This is from NBC. Dr. Stephen Greer, who retired from the emergency room to pursue the

1141
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:04,680
hunt for aliens as a self-described world's expert on the UFOs, objects to the notion that UFOs should

1142
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,920
be treated as a national security threat at all. As he sees it, aliens are here to help us and the

1143
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,640
military industrial complex is hyping their danger and creating the US space force to prepare for

1144
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,640
interplanetary war, arguing movies like Independence Day are part of a false narrative created to

1145
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,840
convert groups, striving to generate fear of ETs. A former high-ranking military intelligence

1146
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,480
official rumored to have been snubbed in his attempt to obtain sheltered UFO data insists he

1147
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:33,400
never even bothered to look for it. Never, retired Admiral Thomas R. Wilson replied Tuesday when asked

1148
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:38,360
if he'd ever been barred from retrieving classified materials, exotic or otherwise during his career.

1149
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:43,080
Wilson, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was a head of intelligence

1150
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,120
for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 97 when he agreed to meet at the Pentagon with advocates of UFO

1151
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:53,240
declassification. Among them he confirms was Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell. The driving force

1152
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:58,680
behind that meeting was North Carolina UFO researcher and emergency room doctor Stephen Greer.

1153
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:04,040
Greer was telling audiences about extracting a pledge from Wilson during that meeting to investigate

1154
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:10,520
special access projects involving UFO technology. But shortly thereafter, Greer claimed Wilson reported

1155
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:16,440
that he didn't have the property security clearance to inspect those files. As Greer informed a

1156
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,960
Portland, Oregon audience in 2001, Wilson said, I am horrified that this is true. I have been in

1157
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:27,560
plenty of black projects, but when we tried to get into this one, he was told, I quote, Sir,

1158
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:33,480
you do not have a need to know. The head of intelligence Joint Staffs, you don't have a need

1159
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,360
to know. Neither did the CIA director, neither did the president, end quote. This story has been

1160
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,080
circulating on the internet ever since and made it into Greer's book, Hidden Truth Forbidden

1161
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,960
Knowledge, last year. But the thing didn't sprout legs until Mitchell began discussing the meeting

1162
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,760
during what turned out to be a media blitz in July. Mitchell avoided all mention of Wilson's name,

1163
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,480
but in a July 4 appearance on Larry King Live, the moonwalker told CNN audiences he'd learned

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the admiral had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the

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know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you don't have a need to know here and so goodbye. Now an

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executive with a Minnesota based defense contractor, Wilson told Devoid he accepted Mitchell's 97

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request because he was a former astronaut and maybe had more credibility than some people off

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the street. Wilson says he doesn't remember who else attended that meeting, but he admitted a

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certain amount of curiosity about the allegations of a deep black UFO project. What is true is that

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I met with them, Wilson said in a phone interview, quote, what is not true is that I was denied access

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to this material because I didn't pursue it. I may have left it open with them, but it was not

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especially compelling, not compelling enough to waste my staff's time to go looking for it, end

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quote. Mitchell told Devoid he never heard directly from Wilson after their initial meeting, but he

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says he trusts the veracity of his unnamed sources who told him of Wilson's inability to

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penetrate security. Mitchell said he was, quote, shocked, end quote, by Wilson's response to

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Devoid, who added, I do not wish to engage him on this matter. Stephen Greer refused to back down,

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quote, I was there and know what was said, end quote, he stated in an email, quote, I was also

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informed prior to the meeting that after sending him a secret document with UFO related code names

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and numbers that he located one of the compartments, but was specifically denied access to the operation,

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end quote. We have identified nearly 500 military corporate intelligence and laboratory witnesses

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to events and programs connected to these matters. The body of evidence is overwhelming and definitive,

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he says. That's weird that people that he's talked to and he's stating quotes from

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adamantly deny anything that was said there. Yeah, I would say. So that's where we're going to

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leave this one off. Like I said, Chelsea, next episode is going to be on the documentaries,

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the podcast, the CE5 events, and a little company called Serious Technology Advanced

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Research, which is Star LLC, which is going to come up in that next episode, but only for

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speculation purposes. Now, anything you want to talk about before we end this episode? No, I'm

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quite looking forward to it because I already see multiple red flags that I have brought up

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throughout. I'm looking forward to where it goes. Maybe he ends up being a really good guy who

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realizes that he's not given a whole lot of information. As cases happen in the past, yes.

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And he's being pretty vague. So hopefully he corrects it by the time for the next episode.

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And we end on a good note and we figure out what exactly is the secret. I have a feeling we'll

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never know. Oh, and Chelsea, I should make one addition here because that national press conference

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in 2023 that Stephen Greer had might get confused with the congressional hearing that happened in

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2023 with David Grusk. And in fact, Stephen Greer is quoted in articles talking about the

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congressional hearing. Those are two separate events. And Stephen Greer was not involved in any way,

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as far as I can tell, with the congressional hearing in 2023. That's what I thought. But it

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seems like he's pushing towards the same agenda. But there seems to maybe be some crossover.

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A little bit. And in fact, he comments all of these people comment on each other. So

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there's going to be some stuff in the next episode. But that'll be for the next episode.

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Oh, I'm excited. And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe.

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Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. Bye.

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