From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where let's face it, you're probably looking
forward to this, we're not politics.
We're not going to be covering anything regarding the American election and yes I am aware, we're
recording this prior to the election, it's going to be several weeks after.
We're still front and center, so you're welcome for this escape.
Probably.
From the Civil War that erupted?
Yeah, hopefully you guys have some way of listening to this.
We are your Escapist podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea here today, darting on a long
form review of one of our people in the alien and UFO community.
This person is Steven Greer.
Oh yeah.
Now, Chelsea, I've had a lot of trouble trying to figure out how to break this up because
Steven Greer is prolific in how much he's produced and been involved with.
So part one is going to be talking about just kind of a linear following of his journalistic
side, I think is the best way to put it, with things that he's published, specifically
written as well as events that he's hosted.
From there, we're going to go in part two into him being on other shows and most importantly,
documentaries he's produced and other, not events, but retreats that he hosts for individuals
to go on.
So that's going to be the breakup of these episodes.
I think it's the best way to do it, but we'll see as we go.
In any event, I will never tell you if it was terrible.
So you just have to trust that I've done it right and I have told you the truth.
Hopefully it's not the one that they get.
You never know.
We are going to talk about one of the most.
I think he is one of the most talked about people in the UFO community in the last five
years.
I think that would be reasonable to say, Chelsea, do you agree?
I think so.
Is out there.
Yes.
Would you say that?
Who else would I say?
Here's what I would say.
My gauge for seeing how publicly well known this person would be is what podcasts they've
showed up on and how many ufologists have shown up on the Joe Rogan podcast, Chelsea.
Comed along.
I didn't just do that as I was about to do it.
It was a judgment call.
I just went with it.
I know there have been a few.
He gets some alternative people on there.
Yes, but from the UFO community, I can only really think about, he's had Tom DeLong, he's
had Bob Lazar, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell.
And after that, I can't really think of anybody.
David Grush.
Grush?
Oh, and Luis Elizondo.
Sorry, he has been on there too.
So I would say if you're going to know more than five people in the UFO community right
now, he's probably a name that you know.
Okay.
Yeah, I think that's reasonable.
Yeah, that's reasonable.
He's been around for a while too.
He has been and we're going to be talking about that.
And Chelsea, I'm just curious when I say the name David Greer, is there anything particular
that comes to mind for you?
I don't want to.
I think I just about called him David Greer.
Did I call him David Greer?
Steven Greer.
No, did you?
Is that why I was going to?
Maybe.
I think David Grush and Steven Greer mixed up in my head now.
So I hope I haven't put that seed in there for this.
One guy and I can't remember if it's Steven Greer, but there is one guy out there that
reminds me of Steven Greer.
If it's not Steven Greer, that is like a total fear monger.
I don't think that Steven Greer might be the other guy.
So let's just cut this probably.
But what was the question?
I asked you, what can you tell me about Steven Greer?
What would you say?
Dr. Steven Greer.
UFO.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I don't know.
He creeps me out.
The guys that we give him creeps.
I will say.
I know he's the guy that has the near death experience.
So it just like made him like UFOs.
And Chelsea, we're going to talk about it as much as we possibly can too.
Yeah, exactly.
Before doing this research, what I could probably tell you about Steven Greer is out of anybody
in the ufology community.
He's probably the only one that lifts.
He's got some beefy arms.
That guy actually takes some carry.
What he looks like.
You know what?
He's so creepy looking to me.
Yeah, he is.
And he's almost 70 at this point.
He's 70?
I guess he would be even around forever.
Yeah.
Now that's how I started out.
I did my research.
I have watched way too many YouTube documentaries, read things that he's written, listened to
things that he's talked on.
I think I know too much about him now.
And I'm still I'm delving down these weird interconnected spots I have to finish off on.
That's part two.
But at this point, Chelsea, I do have to make a disclaimer just to cover our asses because
I think there's a chance that something might come of some of the things I'm saying.
So it has to be done now.
I am going to be reading excerpts from writings that Dr. Steven Greer has written, which are
likely protected by copyright law.
I'm not sure I didn't look into it.
I just know that he's made a few statements about them.
So I am reading these for the purposes of critique and or education just to cover everything
off, which is a protected use under copyright law.
So I am not running afoul by reading these statements.
I will be telling you where they come from.
And we are going to be using them for particular purposes that are exempt from copyright.
Yeah.
With that, I always like to start these episodes off, Chelsea, with a coast to coast biography.
Oh, yeah, those are the best.
You have to.
It's the best way.
You got to start high.
So Dr. Steven Greer is one of the world's foremost authorities on the subject of UFOs, extraterrestrial
intelligence and technologies, and in extraterrestrial intelligence and technologies and initiating
peaceful contact with interstellar civilizations.
For over 30 years, Dr. Greer has provided briefings for senior government officials across the
globe, conducted numerous media interviews and delivered hundreds of lectures.
He has also written five books and produced four feature film documentaries that have
been seen by hundreds of millions of people.
Dr. Greer's relentless efforts towards the disclosure of classified UFO, ET information
have inspired millions of supporters around the world.
He is currently working on a documentary for release in spring 2023, the law centering
how to reclaim it.
Obviously, they don't update their website that often, but he's been on coast to coast
AM at least 29 times over the course of his career.
And I always have to say at least because it does that weird thing where coast to coast
website only goes back like 15 years, but coast to coast has been on since the 80s.
So you don't know.
And his career is much longer than the last 10 years.
So you don't know actually how many times.
He also has a fairly successful YouTube channel that he's hosted for 11 years with the biggest
episode he's ever done on that had 4.9 million views.
That was eight years ago.
So he's yeah.
Oh yeah, he's definitely cleaning up better than we are.
Maybe slightly.
Now, who is Steven Grimm?
Well, he was born in Charlotte, North Carolina in 1955.
He claims he saw an unidentified flying object at close range when he was eight years old
and another UFO when he was 18.
Now Chelsea, that's as much as I can get into that because whenever he brings them up, he's
just super vague with those stories.
Really?
Yeah.
He's just better than that.
He received a Bachelor of Science degree in biology from Appalachian State University
in 1982 and an MD degree from the James H. Quillen College of Medicine of East Tennessee
State University in 1987.
He was also trained as a transcendental meditation teacher and served as a director of a meditation
organization.
No idea when.
And in fact, that's one of the things in the Wikipedia article where instead of a citation
point where you know where they have the numbers up there, Chelsea, you can go check.
It says when in brackets in that.
So it's something that was added by somebody close to him, but they didn't provide any proof
or anything else outside of that.
Now he received his Virginia medical license in 1989, worked as an emergency room physician
for a while.
And in 1998, he decided to retire as a physician and just decided to pursue ufology as his
full time career.
Now that's not when it started, but that's kind of when he chooses to move on from being
a doctor.
Now, I do find it interesting that we still give him the credential of doctor when it has
nothing to do with what he's actually doing, but that's what we've decided as a society.
So he's got that going for him.
I feel like we didn't decide that.
I feel like he probably decided that for us that he's going to just carry that.
No, sorry.
I mean, a society in general, if you have a doctor, it doesn't matter what you're actually
Oh, you're just a doctor throughout life.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
It does lead to disinformation a lot of the time when you can have somebody with a doctorate
and like, I don't know, philosophy telling you you should be taking these vitamins because
they're super good for your body.
Yeah.
But as a society, we've decided that.
Okay.
Specifically about Steven Greer.
Okay.
Glad we clarified.
He's still taking advantage of it, but it's that.
Yeah.
Right?
You get what I'm saying.
Yes, I do.
Absolutely.
So, I think that's why Greer Newfology starts in 1990 when he found the Center for the Study
of Extraterrestrial Intelligence to create a diplomatic and research-based initiative
to contact extraterrestrial civilizations.
Chelsea, you can try looking up C-SETI.
It does not take you to the C-SETI website anymore.
I don't know what it takes you to.
It's a really weird website.
I got to find it really quick.
IPS Geneva?
Yes.
The IPS Geneva.
And if you type in Steven Greer in their little search box, his name comes up, but I don't
know what they mean by it.
It literally just comes up.
It's not anything like he's written.
It's just his name is in something.
The Institute for Planetary Synthesis.
Okay.
And it's just like his name comes up in that.
That's it.
You can't click on anything.
It's weird.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
But this is where he comes up, and this is something that's big for Steven Greer.
It doesn't come up in this episode.
It'll come up in the next episode where we've talked about close encounters before.
There are initially three different categories of close encounters of the X kind.
There was a proposed fourth.
Steven Greer also came up with a proposed fifth close encounter, which is a human initiated
contact and communication with an extra ratio life.
While he was at C-SETI, this came up.
C-SETI claims to have over 3000 confirmed reports of UFO sightings by pilots and over
4,000 of what they described as landing traces.
The organization uses rapid mobilization investigative teams with the aim of arriving
at landing sites as quickly as possible.
C-SETI has defined a protocol for human initiated contact of UFOs using consciousness.
That's just from the Wikipedia.
I could not find the actual C-SETI website.
It's like Chelsea says at that IPS Geneva.
But it says if I search Steven Greer, this comes up study for Center for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and it's an article.
It's an international nonprofit scientific research and educational organization founded
by Dr. Steven Greer.
But that's it.
Yeah, but it doesn't say.
You can't find his name again.
It's weird.
No.
Yeah, it doesn't say why it takes you here.
No.
And in any event, it's not that important because he doesn't talk about C-SETI a lot.
It's the next thing that's really his big part.
In 93, Greer founds the disclosure project, which is still up and alive today, the website.
However, it really just takes you to drstevengreer.com.
So whatever.
The goal of which is to publicly disclose the government's alleged knowledge of UFOs,
extraterrestrial intelligence and advanced energy and propulsion systems.
And we're going to talk about as we keep going slowly what he means by all these things.
Like don't worry, you're going to get a good idea of what this guy actually believes and
what all those different parts mean.
Greer describes the disclosure project as an effort to grant amnesty to government whistleblowers
willing to violate their security oaths by sharing classified information about UFOs.
And Chelsea in 1994, that seems pretty mundane until that point, right?
He founded two things.
He's a doctor.
Okay.
1994, he's on Larry King.
Okay.
He like, it's an hour, a documentary that Larry King's doing or sorry, a TV documentary
called the UFO coverup.
And it's him, Larry King, Stanton Freemans in it.
And it's just basically them sitting outside area 51 talking about UFOs, which is in my
mind like mind boggling that it goes from there from like, he's a doctor to he starts
these things and he's on Larry King like out of nowhere.
It's interesting.
Why is he the one that's the contact?
And yes.
And Chelsea, all I can do is speculate, but it's not for this episode where I speculate.
I'm just conveying how this is going.
Yeah, it gives me some thoughts.
So from here, I have an article that he wrote in April of 2001, just to kind of give you
guys an idea of what's happened in the middle part here, because we're going to the next
step is 2001.
So Steven Greer wrote this in April of 2001.
I know this because he signed it.
Steven M Greer, MD, April 2001 did not have a title.
So that's all I have to go from on his website too.
Yeah.
Beginning in 93, I started an effort that was designed to identify firsthand military
and government witnesses to UFO witnesses, UFO events and projects, as well as other
evidence to be used in public disclosure.
From 1993, we spent considerable time and resources briefing the Clinton administration,
including CIA director James Woolsey, senior military officials at the Pentagon and select
members of Congress, among others.
In April of 97, more than a dozen such government and military witnesses were assembled in Washington,
DC for briefings with congressman Pentagon officials and others.
Here we specifically requested open congressional hearings on the subject.
None were forthcoming.
In 98, we set out to privatize the disclosure process by raising the funds to videotape,
edit and organize over 100 military and government witnesses to UFO events and projects.
We had estimated that between $2 million and $4 million would be needed to do this on a
worldwide basis.
By August of 2000, only about 5% of this amount had been raised, but we decided to proceed
since further delay was deemed imprudent given the serious issues involved here.
So beginning in August, we began creating the witness archive project and we set out
about the task of traveling all over the world to interview these witnesses in broadcast
quality digital video format.
Due to the severe limitations of funds, this effort was predominantly prepared by myself
and a few other volunteers, roughly from August 2000 to December 2000.
Beginning in late December 2000, I began editing over 120 hours of raw digital video
testimony at home, which just sidebar from here, editing testimonies.
I feel like you shouldn't be editing that.
I feel like you should be releasing 120 hours of digital video testimony if it's so important.
That's true.
You make a very good point.
But anyhow, let's continue with this.
I should note that I am a medical doctor and not an editor.
Nevertheless, from late December 2000 until late February 2001, the 120 hours were reduced
first to 33 hours of select testimony and then 18 hours of super select testimony.
The 33 hours of select testimony were dubbed to audio tape and transcribed, resulting in
approximately 1200 pages of testimony transcripts.
In March and early April 2001, I edited these transcripts into a readable form, which appear
herein.
I must emphasize that this has been done under the most severe time in funding constraints,
working seven days a week and mostly 18 hours a day.
And I thought the emergency department was tough.
Sorry, this is meant to be a joke.
And I thought the emergency department was tough.
Hold for laughter.
I share this only to the reader, so the reader will understand that these transcripts and
other materials are very likely to contain errors.
These include likely errors in proper names arising from the phonetic spelling of such
names directly from the transcribed audio tapes of testimony.
I apologize in advance for these.
Transcripts that appear in the briefing document have only been altered to correct for a length
and B grammar readability.
I have assiduously avoided changing the meaning of testimony at all times.
Statements and brackets are for clarification.
Statements and italics and brackets reflect commentary on my part and are followed by
the initials SG.
These materials are, as you now discern, are the tip of the iceberg of what we have recorded
on digital videotape.
That is, from over 120 hours of testimony by over 100 witnesses, we transcribed only 33
hours and then further edited materials down to a fraction of that amount.
Moreover, the full archive represents the testimony of only 100 witnesses of the more
than 400 identified to date.
The edited testimony will be appearing in book form.
A portion of it appears in disclosure project briefing document and only small excerpts
and summary bios of testimony appear in this executive summary.
We open the future to secure funding for a 5-6 part broadcast quality video documentary
series to be made from the videotape testimonies we have as the impact of hearing and seeing
these witnesses speak is very moving.
As you read the testimonies, remember that it is indeed only the beginning, the rest
is up to you, call and demand that Congress and the President and the leaders of other
countries hold hearings into this subject without delay.
These witnesses welcome a subpoena so that they may officially testify under oath to
what they have experienced and said here.
Read the most revealing testimony waits to be seen since the deepest sources are refusing
to come forward until protected through official congressional hearings.
This then brings me to my last point.
The witnesses who have given testimony to date are extraordinarily brave men and women,
heroes in my eyes who have taken great personal risk in coming forward.
Some of them have been threatened and intimidated, all are risking the ever present ridicule
that attend this subject.
Not a single one of them has been paid for his or her testimony and has been given freely
and without reservation for the good of humanity.
I wish to personally thank them here and extend to them my personal highest respect and gratitude.
Please, I implore you not to let this effort and their sacrifice be in vain.
Help us place this matter in front of the public, the media and our elected representatives
so that the full truth may be disclosed so that those earth saving technologies now
classified may be released and so humanity may enter a new chapter in its evolution
as one of many people in the cosmos.
This summary is focusing on the testimony of important first hand witnesses.
We have thousands of government documents, hundreds of photographs, trace, landing cases
and more, but it is impossible to include them in a summary of this length.
These materials will be made available for any serious scientific or congressional inquiry.
Signed Steven M. Greer, MD, April 2001.
And in May of 2001, Steven Greer holds a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington,
DC that features 20 retired Air Force Federal Aviation Administrators and Intelligence Officers.
So that's where he makes it big.
Where is he getting money to fund this?
We will talk about that in the second half, or at least I will speculate about it in the second half.
He did work as an emergency doctor for several years, so potentially some of that's coming from there.
But I have other speculations, which I will very clearly state a speculation in that episode
as to where the money is coming from.
It's only going to last him so long if he has a little bit saved up.
He talks to his four daughters, I'm pretty sure too, that are all born in the late 80s to early 90s.
Yeah, you can't just quit your job on a whim with responsibilities.
I could not. This is not a spoiler for later on.
I could not find anything where he gives me a good enough reason as to how he came into a position
to just quit being a doctor and do this full time.
Yeah, you would have to be.
Well, and he goes from being a medical doctor to Larry King live.
I can't, he does not, in my mind, fully enough explain how point A goes to point B.
I look forward to the speculation in the next episode.
We're missing something.
Yeah, so he has this conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC in May of 2001.
Apparently it was a big deal.
He has these people come up and say, we have this evidence that we're not allowed to say.
We have these pictures, we have evidence of landings, and we urge Congress to have a hearing about it.
And like, how long is this after he's quit his job?
Like, where is he getting all these whistleblowers that are just like, okay, like,
let's give it to this guy nobody's heard about.
Well, ever since the start, he's had whistleblowers, which I've always found very odd, too.
Equin in 97, I believe.
Like, I couldn't just, I could, I mean, I could, I would love to just like quit my job and be like,
hey, I take whistleblower confessions now, but like, who's going to give me that?
Well, we got to wait for Linda Moulton, how unfortunately to die.
Not that we want that to happen.
But they're all going to her right now in my mind.
Because she's not asking questions.
Yeah, exactly.
I won't ask questions either.
Like, I'll take them if you, if I can make a good enough.
Yeah, I just have one thing to say to you, neat.
Yeah.
Anyhow, these are my questions so far.
I have been like, every time I read more about him, I need to know like, how did you get
from doctor to here?
And why don't you ever, every time people ask him in their interviews and he gives an answer.
I still, every time say why, I just don't understand.
You even say you've given up so much money to do this.
How did you do this?
I don't get it.
And no, there's not for everything I've read, there's not an answer.
Unless like his wife is quite lucrative in whatever she's doing.
Maybe, I don't know.
Yeah, I wish I wanted to.
And like every now and then it comes up, I believe it's his uncle that worked on the
lunar space rover.
And I'm like, that doesn't add anything to the story.
Stop telling me that.
It's come up more than once, eh?
Yeah.
Okay.
These are my questions so far.
It comes up a lot on his podcast that he's on.
I don't know why.
I wouldn't be so confident.
I don't have four daughters, but I wouldn't be so confident just to just quit my job and
be like, the whistleblowers, they will come.
I'm going to talk about it a bit at the end too, just with a bit of my theory with the
doctor side of it.
But let's get into some of his actual writings.
Yeah, let's do it.
His website, drstevengreer.com, Chelsea, you can go to it.
It's actually set up pretty well for one of these people that we're covering.
It's not an 1990s website.
I think if you look at it, Chelsea, you will agree.
It's actually like state of the art for the UFO community.
Yeah.
Wow.
Oh, no way.
And sorry, they just updated it.
He's doing a cruise.
And we could go on that in April of 2025.
Oh, is that what this ocean is?
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Well, it was a cruise line.
This is.
But yeah, you can take a look at this.
Like I said, it's a state of the art website for the UFO community.
Like it has celebrity.
A playing gif, a ticking thing where it goes to the next one.
It is not a 1990s website.
At the top, he has news, which isn't updated all that often.
It's literally just his YouTube videos get that get put there.
There also has his films, which we'll get into in the next episode.
Expeditions, which we'll also get into the next episode.
Energy, which kind of comes up on this episode.
Most importantly, evidence and docs.
And that's going to be the biggest part of this episode from here.
Okay.
Chelsea, if you go into evidence and docs and go to an overview,
it just gives you, oh, sorry, not overview.
We're going to go to document library.
And it is, it doesn't look as great.
It is like an Excel spreadsheet with PDFs.
Eight pages of PDFs.
Objections, not all that glitter is gold.
Yeah.
And I think that's actually when we read,
I couldn't read everything just because it seems ridiculous.
And if you click on some of them, there's scans of books.
I clicked on dancing in the dark and it is literally from either a new
a magazine or a book and he put a scan of it in.
Briefing for President Clinton by Steven M. Greer.
Oh, I should have actually read that one.
I didn't read that one.
You want, you think she actually read this?
Probably not.
No.
In fact, that's one of those things.
I've never found a comment from a president that they've talked to Steven Greer,
but he says he's talked to all of them.
Oh, okay.
Fair enough.
I take his word for it.
He's a doctor.
Also, I do have to put it out there now too.
He gives me libertarian vibes in how he talks about a lot of things.
And you might get that from his writings.
And when I say libertarian, I'm not talking about the historical view of a social anarchist libertarian.
No, we're talking about the right wing.
Don't step on SNCC flag libertarian.
Anyhow, let's get back to everything I was talking about.
Also, Chelsea, there's a To the Stars Academy article on there too.
And it's literally just the bio of everybody who's on the To the Stars Academy team.
Yeah, that's weird.
Like it's nothing else.
He has added nothing.
That's weird.
Okay, so if you click on document category, it has Dr. Greer's papers, interviews with Dr. Greer,
letters and briefings, new energy, press releases and newsletters, related papers.
Anyhow, Chelsea, I picked a select few of Steven Greer's papers to go over.
I picked the first one as secret and covert operations by the USA.
Okay.
Brigadier General Steven Lovekine, Army National Guard Reserves.
As a young Army officer, he worked with President Eisenhower in the last years of his presidency.
But what happened was that Eisenhower got sold out.
Without him knowing it, he lost control of what was going on with the entire UFO situation.
In his last address to the nation, I think he was telling us that the military industrial complex
would stick you in the back if you were not totally vigilant.
I think he felt like he had not been vigilant.
I think he felt like he trusted too many people and Eisenhower was a trusting man.
And I think that he realized that all of a sudden this matter is going into the control
of corporations that could very well act to the detriment of his country.
This frustration from what I can remember went on for months.
He realized that he was losing control of the UFO subject as far as I can remember.
That was the expression that was used.
Quote, it is not going to be in the best hands.
End quote, that was a real concern.
And so it has turned out to be, quote, it had been discussed with me on numerous occasions
what could happen to me militarily if I discuss this.
I would say that the government has done as good a job enforcing secrecy through the installation
of abject fear as they have done with anything within the memory of modern men.
End quote, one older officer discussed with me what possibly could happen if there was a revelation.
He was talking about being erased and I said, quote, man, what do you mean erased?
He said, yes, you will be erased disappear.
And I said, how do you know all this?
And he said, I know those threats have been made and carried out.
Those threats started way back in 1947.
The army and the air force was given absolute control over how to handle this.
And this being the biggest security situation this country has ever dealt with.
And there have been some erasures.
I do not care what kind of a person you are.
I do not care how strong or courageous you are.
It would be a very fearful situation because from what math this old officer said, quote,
they will go after you after not only you, they will go after your family end quote.
Those were his words.
And so I can only say that the reason that they have managed to keep it under wraps for so long
is through fear.
They are very selective about how they pull someone out to make an example of.
And I know that this has been done.
And these are a few of the interviews that he's done.
Few things to note.
He is not great with his quotations and telling you who's speaking.
I've read that several times and I still can't quite understand if he's saying that this guy's
telling him a quote from Eisenhower at the time or if he's quoting himself in the past.
Oh, OK.
And I just, I can't tell.
And it doesn't say.
It does not say who's saying things.
Usually that's an important part of reading.
But to be fair, if I needed an appendix removed, I would go to Stephen Greer.
If I needed something well written in English, I might not go to a doctor per se.
Or edited, apparently.
Yes.
So these are the kinds of people he's talking to.
Next up, we have a Lance Corporal, Jonathan Wagon.
U.S. Marine Corps present at a retrieval of a UFO in South America.
This is his statement.
Quote, you weren't supposed to be there.
End quote.
Quote, you are not supposed to see this.
End quote.
Quote, you are going to be dangerous if we let you go.
End quote.
I thought that they were going to kill me.
Really.
Lethal deadly force has been used.
For those of you who don't know, I know Marine snipers and I have heard other guys talk about it.
And I've heard that these guys go on the streets and they stalk people and they kill them.
I know that the Army Airborne snipers do the same thing.
They use Delta Force to go grab these people and silence them by killing them.
That's what he's decided to display from this guy's testimony.
That's weird.
Yeah.
A next witness statement that he gives is Larry Warren, U.S. Air Force Security Officer present
during the landing of a UFO at Brentwater Air Force Base in the UK.
We were gone over with a Geiger counter and there was one return on one of the guys and
something was taken out of his pocket.
Bracket, he had picked up an item from the Retrieved Craft and Bracket.
This guy was removed very quickly and I will swear on my life, I never saw him again.
He was removed.
This happened to a lot of people.
It led to a suicide that the Air Force is responsible for.
This is a real person with a real name.
Dot, dot, dot it.
Just yeah.
Is he insinuating that there's multiple UFO sightings at Brentwater's?
That I mean...
No, I think this is the famous Brentwater's case.
I think he picked a person who was on the janitorial team who had absolutely no connection
to the freaking sighting.
And Chelsea, I'm sure you've noticed it at this point, but none of the witness testimonies that
he gets give direct information.
It's always second or even third hand evidence that he's getting from these people.
That is super bizarre.
Or they don't seem to give specific details.
Like the fact that they just said, oh, they can erase people and he's like,
what do you mean?
He's like, you know.
And that's it.
And is that almost like they're being fed information to tell him?
I don't think it's...
No, Chelsea, if you're going to feed somebody information, you give them specific information.
No, no, no.
But it's like, say enough that it seems like you say something, but when you're pressed,
just say, be vague about it.
Like, are they actual witnesses?
Like...
We've seen fake witnesses before in Doty who have given specific details.
They give specific details if they're giving fake.
Trying to come up with something that he's just failing miserably at them?
And he's just interviewing wrong people?
Or is he trying to get people who seem like they have something that they just won't say
because they're saying too much or they're just alluding to the fact that...
Let's keep reading because I got a few more of these and let's see if we can
glean any more details.
That's so weird.
But I've never heard of any suicides being associated with the Ben waters.
With Randall Schiffler.
If you listen until that last sentence, there was no suicide.
Let's read this again.
This guy was removed very quickly and I will swear on my life I never saw him again.
That doesn't explain he committed suicide.
Outside of him at the end saying it led to a suicide at the Air Force Base,
but they don't also say that it was that guy who committed suicide.
No, I didn't assume it was that guy.
It could have been anyone.
Again, it's I never saw him again.
He was removed.
This happened to a lot of people.
So they were transferred to another location?
It seems like he's...
I don't know.
This is weird though.
This is weird that they're not giving information.
No.
And if you're taking an interview, if you're actually trying to investigate something,
you want specific details.
You want to know what they can back up and what comes directly from them, which is important.
Anyhow, let's move on to the next one.
I've already noticed a few red flakes.
Yeah.
I can't continue.
So this comes from Professor Robert Jacobs, U.S. Air Force,
who filmed a UFO intercepting an early ICBM, Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Test.
What happened to the film is an interesting story in itself as Major Man's...
Sorry.
I just feel like this is a fake story because of this major's name.
Major Man's Man related to me and other people.
Sometime after I had gone, the guys in civilian clothes, I thought it was the CIA,
but he said no, it wasn't the CIA.
It was somebody else took the film and they spooled off the part that had the UFO on it.
And they took a pair of scissors and cut it off.
They put that on a separate reel.
They put it in their briefcase.
They handed Major Man's Man back the rest of the film and said here,
quote, I don't need to remind you major of the severity of a security breach.
We'll consider this incident closed.
End quote.
And they walked off with the film.
Major Man's Man never saw it again.
We're Man's Man.
You got it right, right there.
Who was it then?
Yeah.
Major Man's Man, you've got some spleen and to do.
Could have been anyone.
Could have been Dr. Stephen Greer and the whatever he works for it doesn't work for
because he has it.
That's me there actually.
If he had a fake like soldier alias, it would be Major Man's Man.
Okay.
Another vague one, right?
It's like alluding to something bad, but they'll never talk about it specifically.
Yeah, that's what they did in the lot.
There's a lot of alluding to something going on.
But next one's Merle Shane McDow from US Navy Atlantic Command.
These two gentlemen began to question me about this event.
They were being pretty rough about it, to be honest with you.
That's great.
Maybe you can explain how they were being rough in your frickin statement here.
Anyhow, I remember literally putting my hands up and saying,
quote, wait a minute, fellows, I am on your side.
Just a minute end quote, because they were not really nice.
They were very intimidating and made it quite clear to the point that nothing that was seen,
heard or witnessed that transpired was to leave this building.
You are not to say a word about it to your coworkers and off base.
So what?
You just forget everything that you may have seen or heard concerning this.
It did not happen.
And this is the paragraph he put in his article on the PDF
to give you an idea of this witness statement.
That was the vaguest thing I've ever heard.
What's the witness statement?
It's not that, is it?
They were rough about it, Chelsea.
They were rough about it.
That's it.
Oh, he didn't actually give a statement or anything.
I don't even know what he saw.
That's literally all the grief in that.
Why is he giving this as a statement?
No, to be fair, he ends it with an ellipsis, a dot, dot, dot.
So there is more to the witness statement.
But like he put this in his article of the witness statement that he's giving.
So he thought this was important and good.
No, I mean, that's not good.
And if those were good.
Next one is from Dr. Robert Wood, McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer.
It's he a doctor.
I have no idea.
I don't think he asked either, to be fair.
Sorry, I speculate because he doesn't ask questions, it seems.
Okay.
I love.
He worked in the emergency room with them.
I feel like if I were to go in and just say, like, if I was to conduct an interview and just say,
just talk about your experience, I would get better information than he came away with.
Potentially.
Like by far, if you said, tell me about your experience.
I feel like I would get better information than whatever the fuck these guys are talking about.
And Chelsea, I feel like you would naturally come to points where you say, like, can you elaborate?
What do you mean by rough?
What do you mean?
Like you never saw him again.
Like, tell me what you mean.
Yeah.
And like what actually happened that they were rough with you?
Why did they need to be rough?
And like in the weirdest twist, oh, I was actually blinded later that day.
So I never saw anybody again.
Okay.
Anyhow, Dr. Wood, as you may know, when you get cleared for one of these classified programs,
you wear your special badge and you know, you can talk to anybody who's in the room with a lot of
candor.
And it feels like that's one special psychological group.
There's a lot of camaraderie that builds up and you had access to special libraries.
So one of the things that we could do is go up to the library that the Air Force ran and sort of
paw through top secret material.
Since I was interested in UFOs, when I had some usual business to take care of, I'd also look in their library to see what they had on UFOs.
And for about a year, I was getting a few hits on the subject about various reports.
Then all of a sudden, the whole subject material vanished.
Also, like again, like you were getting hits.
Okay.
Can you tell us anything about those?
Seeing as how like you think you would remember if you're in like a top secret lab and you just decided to Google UFOs and like
something came up, you think you might remember what the first UFO story was.
Like even if it was an article, was it photos?
Like what the hell were you seeing?
Then all of a sudden the whole subject material vanished.
The entire classification for the subject just vanished.
The librarian in our group that I was working with said he had been in that vault for 20 years and knew exactly how things were normally done.
He said, this is remarkable.
He said, I've never seen that before.
You just don't have a whole subject vanished out from under you.
He said, I think there is something there that you hit on.
Dot, dot, dot.
In the meantime, there was one other thing that came about as a result of my association with Jim McDonald, a well-known UFO scientific investigator.
I liked the guy.
He was really an energetic physicist and would not let any grass grow under his feet.
When he got to a case, he would dig his teeth into it and present an overwhelmingly convincing story to professional societies.
He would talk to the American Institute of Aeronautics and the American Physical Society and I happened to be a member of both.
So whenever he was in town, I would pick him up, escort him, made sure he felt welcome.
So once when I was traveling through Tucson where he lived, I stopped.
I had a two-hour layover to catch an airplane and he came out to the airport to have a beer with me.
I said, what's new Jim?
And he said, I think I've got it.
I said, what do you think you got?
And he said, I think I got the answer.
I said, what is it?
And he said, I can't tell you yet.
I have got to be sure.
It was six weeks later that he tried to shoot himself.
A couple months after that, he finally died.
Knowing what I think, I now suspect about the skills of our counterintelligence people.
I think we had the capacity to convince him to do it himself.
I think that is what happened.
End of quote there.
We haven't talked about any specific sightings or real evidence at all.
No, no, we're just looking at some of his witness statements that he's been looking at.
But from this, he kind of gathers what his viewpoint is on this.
So I'm just going to...
That doesn't sound good.
From everything he's gathered, just before I got into this, I wanted to give you the
witness statements and show you kind of what he's at least showing he's looked into.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
Now, one of those, the one with the library where something went missing, did he tell that in a
documentary because that sounds familiar?
So he definitely uses it as something.
What's saying a whole lot.
No, we have no idea where he was working, what he actually saw in there, and a weird
statement from a librarian, just a librarian in the group who's like, this never happens.
Maybe I should hold it to the end.
But I feel like he's crafting this in a way that your mind is filling in blanks of what
you think they're seeing.
Yes, and that's not what you should be doing with witness statements.
If you are collecting evidence, you should not have to fill in the blanks.
You should have questions stated to show where there are blanks, which are damning to the evidence.
Yeah, and I mean the guy's intelligent enough to know that what he's doing isn't right.
We can say he's intelligent.
Again, I need to emphasize his area of education is medicine, which does have
questioning somewhat, but it's not really an investigatory system where you have some
of the things who might- No, it's not.
But basic bachelor, which he would have more education than that, he would have some sort
of writing skill at the very least.
But- One would hope.
I feel it would have to be intentional.
What was his bachelor in?
Sorry, I can go back and look because it's in his profile.
I don't know.
I would assume like you would-
Biology.
So he might not have a- he doesn't have any English in his background.
Okay, fair enough.
But to me, you would have to be intelligent enough to know you're leaving gaps of information
out for people to fill in, which to me is manipulation.
People putting in their own views there for what they think it is, and he's attracting
a very specific set of people who are going to fill in obvious answers to what he's kind
of leaving out.
So Chelsea, I agree fully with that, but we're just trying to shape this guy and like kind
of come to a conclusion, a viewpoint on him from what he's collected.
So he's gathered this information and he kind of gives an idea of what's going on here
because there's something hidden here.
I think it's clear from his witness statements that that's what he's focusing on.
There is something hidden and intimidated about.
Would you at least agree with that?
Like that seems to be what's going on with those statements.
Yes, that seems to be the point that he's trying to make.
Yes.
About what information unknown.
We may never find an answer to what's going on.
I think we are going to talk about it as we get going.
But here we're just going to talk a bit about like what his viewpoint is on everything.
This is in the early 2000s, I believe might be the mid 2000s, but in any event it's after
he started down this career.
So there is secrecy, the group maintaining the secrecy at least at a policy level,
number some 200 to 300 individuals from a number of countries and represents a powerful
array of interests, including those connected to financial, technological, security, religious,
media, political and scientific areas.
In 1993, contacts in this group stated to us that about a third of those involved were in
favor of ending the secrecy and a broad disclosure of the facts as of today.
We estimate over 40% hold this position.
That's a pretty bold statement to make when he's like giving no information and he's like,
you know, everybody wants you to end the secrecy.
Like he's never even said like asked what is it that you've seen the question wasn't even asked.
They may have the information.
We don't have a secret.
Yes.
Like he could literally just be holding something back and not stating like he didn't ask the
question.
What information?
Yeah.
No.
And to be fair, like what he's saying is at least I think I've gleaning this from this
and I would clearly state this in anything I wrote.
This is speculation, but that everybody that he's interviewed only has a piece of the
information.
Like he said, 200 to 300 people have the powerful array and know what's going on.
And oh my God.
No, sorry.
We have to hold that for the next episode.
We can't.
So kind of seeing suggesting that we can't have the information that they can't say just
somebody's holding it back.
No, it's a powerful group behind the scenes who knows it all and it's holding it back.
And the people he's interviewing have little pieces of it and he's trying to put it together.
He doesn't even know what that information is though.
He has ideas.
He definitely has ideas.
I don't care about his ideas.
He's never asked these people.
So it's like you're going to get a witness statement that's not telling you what they're
witnessing and he's forming ideas.
So what's going on?
That's all he says.
That's just an interview question.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Sorry, actually his interview question might be hello, how are you?
And just like he stares at them blankly.
Okay.
I'll go ahead and hit this down later.
Yeah, it might be JD Vance in fact and just says okay, good.
Yeah, okay, good.
Whatever.
I want you to work here.
Okay, good.
Whatever makes sense.
Oh God, I hope by this time he's not VP.
Anyhow, those who think that such a group could not get away indefinitely with such secrecy are
right.
We have obtained sufficient actionable intelligence sources and documents to make
sorry, just Chelsea.
I need to read this sentence again.
We have obtained sufficient actionable intelligence sources and documents to make the case.
We have names, program code numbers and the location of operations and corporate programs
and related vital intelligence.
But to whom will this information be disclosed and to what end?
So apparently he's not disclosing that part to us.
That's for sure because he gave the vaguest statements he could.
Just really confused about that statement.
Do people know what he's actually like, what he's doing?
I don't think they do.
No, we can't.
Because if you listen to a lot of the things he says, he says you should go onto my website
where I put all of our evidence and this is the evidence.
Oh, and this is my favorite statement that he makes where he kind of gets into
quite he gets into legal opinions slash advice, which I find hilarious as somebody who has
practice law does not practice law anymore and will always make it very clear when I'm not
providing legal advice.
I am not providing legal advice here.
This is a statement from Steven Greer.
Since the secrecy related to these technologies and operations is rogue, unconstitutional and harmful,
any legitimate governmental or international body could hold a hearing at which witnesses
and evidence could be presented.
Legal and national security experts associated with the disclosure project have determined
that since the secrecy is unregulated and outside the bounds of the law, the leaders of such projects
have no legitimate right to enforce such secrecy.
This means that those persons holding secrets are no longer unconstitutionally bound by any
past or current secrecy oaths.
This assessment has been shared with senior government officials and to date, no entity
or official has challenged this position.
Significantly, during the preparation and in the aftermath the above mentioned national
press club event, none of the whistleblowers or staff of the disclosure project have been
threatened or silenced in any way.
We have been able to make a definitive case for the evidence as also for the illegal nature
of the secrecy, hence no legal entity can insist on silence.
There's some very concerning things in that.
Number one, he can't even take a statement and he's giving like all this legal jargon.
Number two, you see this a lot with cult leaders and stuff like that, where he's giving an
enemy for everyone to collectively hate but in a very vague way, which is like the secret
holders and that they have this.
I find that hilarious Chelsea because when he talks about the aliens themselves, they are
nothing but love.
I'll talk about that once we get to that point.
Also, I need to make this statement now before you keep going.
I need to get this out of the way.
He's showing that the fact that the US government has not prosecuted them for breaching NDAs as
proof that the NDAs are unconstitutional that these people had to sign actually makes me
believe that these people didn't sign NDAs that need to be prosecuted, not that they aren't enforceable.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
That's a very good point.
They have taken no legal repercussions, like literally not.
Well, that is.
Not even a letter that says cease and desist.
That speaks for itself, I think.
Not if you ask Steven Greer.
That shows that they agree with his assessment.
Like I said, this is used for critique purposes.
That gives you a bit of an idea of who we're talking about here, Chelsea.
The next article we're going to be reading from him is called unacknowledged terror.
You'll notice if you click on any of his articles, it's really hard to tell what order they come in.
They don't have dates on them.
There is quite a lot of them as well.
There's a ton of them, too.
But I wanted to kind of, I think this one gets into it, that he both talks about like
you should be fearful of things, but also loving of things, which like you were just talking about,
it does kind of give you that culty feel.
So we're going to start here.
I, for one, have foregone a medical career and the mundane, if fleetingly gratifying comforts
that life affords.
Because I came across the at once wonderful and horrible truth that the essential solutions
to many of the world's most pressing problems have been systemically and ruthlessly withheld from the public.
But there are many who have made the ultimate sacrifice to try and tell the world what we now
struggle might lead to disclose.
We are not alone in the universe that a global and powerful group has hidden this truth from the world,
and that the science's, technology's, energy, generation systems, and propulsion systems that
could create a new, the world exists in the ultra secret world, unacknowledged special access projects.
There is no doubt that we are dealing with beings who are capable of reading by both telepathic and
conventional means our true intentions and motivations who can sense the quote spirit of our endeavor,
end quote.
Success requires that the spirit of our endeavor be one of scientific openness, the search for truth,
altruism, selflessness, harmlessness, and non covetousness.
A desire for the peaceful furtherance of the ETI human relationship is paramount for these reasons,
quote, purity of the motive, end quote. On the part of human researchers and investigators is
a primary requisite while specific skills, expertise, and technologies are important,
but secondary considerations.
The breadth and clarity of our consciousness is imperative and transcends all other considerations.
Our obsession with technology and outward things tend to obscure the big picture of the ETI human
relationship and all that it entails.
A review of the cases to date would indicate that while some actions are enigmatic and even
disturbing to some human sensibilities, no evidence of net hostile intentions exists.
Here we must differentiate between our perception of actions and actual intentions or motives,
since these are two separate considerations.
For a more thorough treatment of this topic, see the case of non-hostility.
A seemingly disturbing action may occur for a net neutral or even benevolent purpose.
Certainly as an emergency and trauma doctor, not a day goes by where a child or impaired adult
victim of trauma could view my efforts to help him as painful and therefore motivated by it as
our due harm, even though my motives are just the opposite. That a frightened child perceives
my actions as hurtful or malevolent is a function of the child's level of awareness and knowledge,
and in no way reflects my true intentions. Could not an analogous process be occurring
with ETI events, which conventional wisdoms has deemed hostile and therefore as evidence of malevolent
intentions? End quote. That's the only part I wanted to read from this.
I just really wanted to focus on two things here. First off, the whole fact that he's saying you
need pure intentions to contact or interact with these beings? That really contrasts with the fact
that the government is covering up the fact that they have this information, does it not?
It directly is contradicting that, yes, because obviously he's alluding that they're the bad guys
and they're against us who want answers, but they have it.
So if you need pure intentions to interact with them, how the fuck did they get it in the first
place? Would that not uh... Either they're not as powerful as he's making this information out to
be, or the information that you're giving us is wrong. Those are the only two things.
Maybe he's the bad guy and they're the good guys. Or maybe the good guy who got it got beat up.
Who knows? They took his stuff. When you really dig at this, there's a lot of implications to what
this guy is saying. Yeah, and they're not good. It's not looking good. And anyhow, he talks a lot too
about how the reason they're hiding this information is because the oil and gas industry
run everything. That comes up a lot in his writings and they don't want to give up oil and gas,
so they're hiding this. But that still, it runs into that problem of how do they know about this?
How did they get this technology if they're trying to hide it? They don't seem to have pure intentions.
Let me guess though, he does have the pure intentions to be running his workshops.
Yes, we're gonna talk about the workshops in the second half though. And Chelsea, this next
article is kind of why I've been giving these disclaimers as we go. So this one's called
The Foundations of Interplanetary Unity. And in all caps, right at the top of this article,
it says, you have my permission to quote from this information in press releases,
periodicals, and speeches. Inclusions that any other media requires my express written permission.
Okay. I would like to restate that I am using this for a critique and or educational purpose,
and therefore it is fair use under copyright law. I would also very clearly like to state at this
point that I find it very odd that a man who is fighting against withheld information is himself
including a do not share this information statement at the beginning of one of his articles.
I feel like he knows his law stuff though, based on the other stuff that we've read. So
I don't think he has. Of course, Chelsea. Of course, I feel like he might. Do you ever,
do you know people who are fairly good at one thing and therefore think they're good at everything?
Yeah. Okay. That's all I wanted to know, Chelsea. Sorry, completely unrelated to this.
No, I know people who are not good at that one thing, but think they know everything.
Okay. Yeah. Just completely unrelated to everything. It was a non sequitur there.
We'll get back to this. Anyhow, this is the foundations of interplanetary unity.
There's more to it than what I've just picked the selects that I want to talk about. There are
more than 100 first and second hand witnesses, the retrieval of an extraterrestrial spacecraft,
and at least four extraterrestrial bodies from a crash which occurred in July of 1947,
75 miles northwest of Roswell, New Mexico, written in videotape testimonies from several
first hand witnesses who are respected military officers have been attained. So Chelsea, he's
a full believer in Roswell. What? I wonder what he thinks about Bill Moore. That's a great question.
I actually don't know on that one, but there's going to be some names who come up in part two.
There are hundreds of credible reports, many with multiple witnesses of humanoids and
associates who once landed spacecrafts. C. SETI has in the past 18 months succeeded in
intentionally establishing contact with extraterrestrial spacecrafts on two occasions at
very large at very close range and with multiple witnesses present. Numerous US government documents
exist, which indicate that these objects are real and have been involved with observing
Earth for several decades. I just really wanted to focus here, Chelsea, on the specificity of
everything he just said. Hundreds, numerous, multiple witnesses. Yeah, doesn't get specific
ever. It's for a reason. Let's keep going with this article. For argument's sake, let us state
that all the evidence available to us in the civilian domain constitutes only 10% probability
of contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. Does this not constitute adequate evidence to
initiate a serious scientific and diplomatic mission? Certainly in medicine, a 10% probability
of finding a cure for cancer will warrant an all out effort in the cancer research community.
For it is generally true that the stakes are very high. The probability of success need not be
prior to initiating a research project. Without question, the stakes are so high in this area
that even a 10% probability is adequate to mount one of the most extensive worldwide research
initiatives in history. Which I don't think he's right there. It sounds kind of wrong to say this,
but like a 10% probability of this all being true. I just, is he saying that there's a 90%
chance that everything that he's looked at is bullshit? And if he's giving what he's looked
at a 10% chance, I'm going to give it way less of a chance from everything we've just read.
Okay, why would he quit his job as an ER doctor? Like a doctor? I mean, that's a great question,
Chelsea. We would have to ask him. I see a contact here. You can ask him maybe. Anyhow,
from I just find that last statement that even if there's a 10% chance, if there was only a 10%
chance of finding a cure for cancer, you would do it. Now like, well, I think more has to go into it
just than a 10% chance. And who has given that 10% chance? Yeah. Is it somebody who's trying to sell
a lot of Econesha? And he's saying that Econesha has at least a 10% chance of curing cancer.
I'm speechless. I don't know what to say. I know that's how I was through. Chelsea,
this guy does so much. And like, I've just, I have so many questions that every time no
question ever got answered. And you have my feelings of anything. Anyhow, we got one more
documentary to watch. So I assume everything gets answered in that one. Is it called the answer?
Yes, there's that. Oh man, I have so much to say on that stuff, but we, this is justice writing.
Somebody in his group got contacted by somebody. They received a direct message, Chelsea. So this
is, what was the name of that episode that's coming out like right before this one? Channeled
entities. Oh yeah. I don't know. I can't remember that one. Karen Ong, who's part of C-SET, he actually
received a direct message after one of his CU5 events. Look at us go. So he wrote this down.
July 7, 2005, please don't thank me for the message. It was given to me for the group. I was just the
messenger. We should simply send love and thanks to our beautiful ET friends who I'm sure would love
for it to be included in the training kit. I am more than happy for you to use any of the information
that you need to on the website or in training materials in order for it to get the message
across to others. Here's the message Karen received. Quote, you seek to be ambassadors to the universe?
You must first seek to be ambassadors to yourselves. How can you accept us, our differences, if you
cannot accept each other's? Honor all life forms. Cherish those who are different. For differences
is what enhances life. Seek not proof of life, but honor the reality of existence. See with your
heart. Listen to your soul. Feel with your knowing. Many are chosen. Few will follow. That's the
message she received from a CE5 event, which we're not really talking about yet. I just wanted to
include that. This is a clear fight. And sorry, this is the last of his writings. And this is,
I think he elaborates on his 10% case in this. And this is from abductions, not all that glitter
is gold. 1996, Stephen Greer. In looking at the raw data and reports of alleged human
extraterrestrial contacts, I would estimate that fewer than 10% of such cases are what they appear
to be. The other 90% of cases are combinations of the following. Misedification of other unusual
experiences, which due to the dominant pop culture enthrallment with all things alien, get labeled
as an abduction. These include so-called and mislabeled paranormal experiences related to
lucid dreams, out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, astrobody encounters with other
non-humans, but equally non-extrrestrial entities, and similar related phenomena. The need for an
expanded cosmological view of potential human experiences should be obvious. It is all too
easy to mislead one experience if you do not know what the possibilities are. Deree is referred to
extra-tional new cosmology by Stephen Greer for more in-depth treatment of the cosmology.
Why he gets into this is because he had a near-death experience when he was younger. Again,
Chelsea, I told you I'd get into it as much as I can. That's as much as he's explained about it.
He had an out-of-body experience from it though, and he saw some aliens. So that's why he believes
that this is the metaphysical side of it. That's as much as I can get into it. I wish I had more.
He tells more about the metaphysical side of it, but that's literally the whole story on that.
Does not explain how he got into UFOs. And probably the most recent thing that Stephen
Greer has done is that he had a 2023 National Press Gallery Conference again. There is a live
recording of it. I should watch it. I have the selection from it. Over the course of the last
30 years, Stephen Greer has provided briefings for sitting U.S. President, senior government officials,
across the globe, and has conducted countless media interviews and delivered hundreds of lectures.
He has identified over 700 high-level government and corporate whistleblowers willing to testify
regarding UFO ET issue. He has authored five books and has produced five feature film documentaries
that have been viewed by nearly a billion people. His latest film, The Lost Century and How to
Reclaim It, will be released on June 6, 2023. In his unprecedented event, Dr. Greer will be
presenting extraordinary cases with live government whistleblower testimony exposing the existence
of the illicit illegal secret government, the state of the UFO UAP disclosure in the Washington,
D.C. area, and more. Chelsea, the National Press Gallery sounds pretty official, right?
Yeah. Makes it seem like it's actually something related to the press.
Yes. It's not something like anybody can just do, right? Well, that would be my assumption, yes.
I want you to go to www.press.org. A world-leading professional organization for journalists.
And I want you to look at the ribbon at the top. The club, calendar, host an event,
studios, newsroom, joe. I want you to click on host an event. Post your event at the National Press
Club. Anybody can do this. You can literally, if you go about a halfway down the page, you can submit
an event request form to just rent the place out. They got their menus of good food. 650 beers.
Pretty good deal. I am of the opinion that he's just renting this out. It's for the persona that
it gives to him because it's hosted the National Press Club, but I'm fairly certain he's just
renting this place out for it. Yeah. Sounds like it. And also, I have another thing that I wanted
to read to you from NBC that I think we're going to kind of start to steer it in the part where,
hey, maybe he's not such a great guy at this point because I know I've built him up as such a great
character. This is from NBC. Dr. Stephen Greer, who retired from the emergency room to pursue the
hunt for aliens as a self-described world's expert on the UFOs, objects to the notion that UFOs should
be treated as a national security threat at all. As he sees it, aliens are here to help us and the
military industrial complex is hyping their danger and creating the US space force to prepare for
interplanetary war, arguing movies like Independence Day are part of a false narrative created to
convert groups, striving to generate fear of ETs. A former high-ranking military intelligence
official rumored to have been snubbed in his attempt to obtain sheltered UFO data insists he
never even bothered to look for it. Never, retired Admiral Thomas R. Wilson replied Tuesday when asked
if he'd ever been barred from retrieving classified materials, exotic or otherwise during his career.
Wilson, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was a head of intelligence
for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 97 when he agreed to meet at the Pentagon with advocates of UFO
declassification. Among them he confirms was Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell. The driving force
behind that meeting was North Carolina UFO researcher and emergency room doctor Stephen Greer.
Greer was telling audiences about extracting a pledge from Wilson during that meeting to investigate
special access projects involving UFO technology. But shortly thereafter, Greer claimed Wilson reported
that he didn't have the property security clearance to inspect those files. As Greer informed a
Portland, Oregon audience in 2001, Wilson said, I am horrified that this is true. I have been in
plenty of black projects, but when we tried to get into this one, he was told, I quote, Sir,
you do not have a need to know. The head of intelligence Joint Staffs, you don't have a need
to know. Neither did the CIA director, neither did the president, end quote. This story has been
circulating on the internet ever since and made it into Greer's book, Hidden Truth Forbidden
Knowledge, last year. But the thing didn't sprout legs until Mitchell began discussing the meeting
during what turned out to be a media blitz in July. Mitchell avoided all mention of Wilson's name,
but in a July 4 appearance on Larry King Live, the moonwalker told CNN audiences he'd learned
the admiral had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the
know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you don't have a need to know here and so goodbye. Now an
executive with a Minnesota based defense contractor, Wilson told Devoid he accepted Mitchell's 97
request because he was a former astronaut and maybe had more credibility than some people off
the street. Wilson says he doesn't remember who else attended that meeting, but he admitted a
certain amount of curiosity about the allegations of a deep black UFO project. What is true is that
I met with them, Wilson said in a phone interview, quote, what is not true is that I was denied access
to this material because I didn't pursue it. I may have left it open with them, but it was not
especially compelling, not compelling enough to waste my staff's time to go looking for it, end
quote. Mitchell told Devoid he never heard directly from Wilson after their initial meeting, but he
says he trusts the veracity of his unnamed sources who told him of Wilson's inability to
penetrate security. Mitchell said he was, quote, shocked, end quote, by Wilson's response to
Devoid, who added, I do not wish to engage him on this matter. Stephen Greer refused to back down,
quote, I was there and know what was said, end quote, he stated in an email, quote, I was also
informed prior to the meeting that after sending him a secret document with UFO related code names
and numbers that he located one of the compartments, but was specifically denied access to the operation,
end quote. We have identified nearly 500 military corporate intelligence and laboratory witnesses
to events and programs connected to these matters. The body of evidence is overwhelming and definitive,
he says. That's weird that people that he's talked to and he's stating quotes from
adamantly deny anything that was said there. Yeah, I would say. So that's where we're going to
leave this one off. Like I said, Chelsea, next episode is going to be on the documentaries,
the podcast, the CE5 events, and a little company called Serious Technology Advanced
Research, which is Star LLC, which is going to come up in that next episode, but only for
speculation purposes. Now, anything you want to talk about before we end this episode? No, I'm
quite looking forward to it because I already see multiple red flags that I have brought up
throughout. I'm looking forward to where it goes. Maybe he ends up being a really good guy who
realizes that he's not given a whole lot of information. As cases happen in the past, yes.
And he's being pretty vague. So hopefully he corrects it by the time for the next episode.
And we end on a good note and we figure out what exactly is the secret. I have a feeling we'll
never know. Oh, and Chelsea, I should make one addition here because that national press conference
in 2023 that Stephen Greer had might get confused with the congressional hearing that happened in
2023 with David Grusk. And in fact, Stephen Greer is quoted in articles talking about the
congressional hearing. Those are two separate events. And Stephen Greer was not involved in any way,
as far as I can tell, with the congressional hearing in 2023. That's what I thought. But it
seems like he's pushing towards the same agenda. But there seems to maybe be some crossover.
A little bit. And in fact, he comments all of these people comment on each other. So
there's going to be some stuff in the next episode. But that'll be for the next episode.
Oh, I'm excited. And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe.
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. Bye.
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