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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where I kind of feel bad that I never really

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ask you guys how you're doing, but hey, that can be put right back on you too.

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So you should also feel bad that we don't talk to each other and see how we're doing,

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even in a superficial sense.

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Anyhow, we're you're, I don't know, slightly upset.

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I don't know how to call that mood.

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Taylor and Chelsea podcast host here today doing a Chelsea episode and checking in Chelsea.

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How are you doing?

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Because I don't think I've ever asked you that on air before.

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I don't know that you've ever asked me that period.

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So I'm glad that we're finally breaking that ice.

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Thank you for finally.

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I feel like our relationship is about to get so much deeper now.

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I'm doing fine.

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Thank you.

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Just like I usually am, but you asked this time.

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Anyhow, today is another death episode.

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Actually, I don't think the last one was death.

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I forget the last one that happened.

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No, the last one was the police.

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So it was death.

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And today we're talking deathbed confessions.

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Finally.

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Now, Chelsea, should I save it for the end?

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Are you holding on to any good deathbed confessions or is this a now kind of topic?

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I don't know.

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Bring it up now if you want.

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OK, now Chelsea.

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Now seems like a good time.

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And I hope that this doesn't end with like our deathbed confessions.

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Like that's not where this is going.

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Oh, that would be a good one.

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I didn't think that far in advance, but.

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Well, that's good.

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That could be a future episode.

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And I guess my real question is, does anybody make a miraculous comeback from their deathbed

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having made very awkward confessions?

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Another good future episode.

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I didn't have that come up either and I didn't specifically search it.

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What a twist.

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Both of them.

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What a twist.

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Yeah, because I'm thinking these are scenarios where there are things that people didn't

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want known while they were alive because there's likely implications from it, either

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it being part of something going on in their life or an NDA in a contract that requires

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them to not say anything or things like that.

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So that's my first kind of introduction here.

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But so it was a great segue.

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And I also think that was your major question.

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Am I going to give a deathbed confession?

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Are you saving up anything to be a deathbed confession at this point?

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Are you still waiting for that thing to come by?

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I feel like you got to have a good one to go out on.

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It can't just be like, take out the garbage.

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It's really going to smell.

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If you don't take it out or something like that, that would be so shitty.

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You got to leave something that's going to be like requiring some follow up, but you're

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not there to give the follow up, right?

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Or is that morbid?

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See, I don't know.

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And I guess that's going to be the question as we go.

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My other question kind of from this as well is have we missed out on many good deathbed

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confessions just because of unforeseen deaths, like let's say in a car accident where they

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were holding onto something good and nope, didn't get the chance or they yelled it out

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knowing they were dying.

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But in which case, someone probably wasn't there to hear it.

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That didn't come up either.

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You always bring up the things that I didn't actually look into, but let's just get into

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the episode.

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Before we just do an entire episode on what we didn't.

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No questions that Chelsea didn't look into with it.

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I mean, that's usually how it goes anyway, but let's get into the episode before I start

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saying I didn't look into that at least.

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You know, I wanted to start this episode assuming you knew what a deathbed confession was, but

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I want to throw in some structure to what a deathbed confession is.

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So this is the admittance or confession made by a person on their deathbed.

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So when they are nearing death, most of them are days away from death, knowing that there

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They need to get this off their chest and such confessions may help alleviate any guilt

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or regrets the dying person has by allowing them to spend their last moments free from

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any secrets or sins they have been hiding for a long part of their life.

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This could be for a few reasons.

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If you're religious, the confessor may believe that confessing will earn them forgiveness

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from a higher power granting them entrance to a better place after death, such as Catholicism,

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where you confess your sins to a priest, and that's the whole thing behind Catholicism

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is confessing your sins, therefore being granted access to heaven.

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A further rationale may be that a person nearing death will not be able to face any significant

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punishments for the confession such as shame or imprisonment.

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Deathbed confessions can be given to anyone with family members, medical staff, particularly

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likely to hear them, and they are often present in a person's last moments.

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In some cases, a deathbed confession may be legally admissible in a court of law despite

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rules of hearsay.

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Generally what that means is the person who said it should be here to say it.

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Thank you for clarifying that.

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or were said to you.

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You can't be giving testimony on behalf of somebody else doing something.

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Okay, I didn't know that that's what that actually means.

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Unless it's somebody's dying word as one of the exemption, generally because somebody's

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not going to be lying when they're dying.

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And we're going to look at a few things here.

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Where it comes up, whether someone's lying or not, and like other types of confession,

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some deathbed confessions are false confessions, which I do have a few examples of.

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I think I didn't take them out.

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I shouldn't have if I have the set, which I found interesting that on your deathbed,

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there could be some false confessions.

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But there's a whole phenomenon of false confessions that you would think you would never give

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a false confession, but there are tons of examples out there of people giving false

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confessions.

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So let's get to some deathbed confessions.

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This is what this episode is about.

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So these are some famous deathbed confessions.

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Emma Ellis Smith, many decades after the 1926 disappearance of a 16-year-old girl named

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Emma Ellis Smith in Sussex, which is the name of this particular case, obviously, England.

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A man named David Wright claimed in 2009 that his deceased great-aunt Lillian Smith, a sister

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of Emma Ellis Smith, had told her niece that in the 1950s she had taken a deathbed confession

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from a man claiming that he murdered Emma Ellis on her way to the train station in Horam.

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The case was reopened not to find a killer, but to find the body of a young girl to give

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her a proper burial to give her relatives closure.

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In 2011, Sussex police concluded that despite the alleged deathbed confession, Emma Ellis

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Smith had not been murdered but had in fact eloped with a married man named Thomas Wills.

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Police concluded the pair had probably ended up in the Republic of Ireland.

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I didn't like that one.

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I left it in because it is apparently a very famous one.

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I don't like that it just says she probably ended up in the Republic of Ireland with no

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further evidence than that.

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That's what you want to hear from the police, eh?

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Especially when somebody gave a deathbed confession and they're like, she probably ended up here.

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I didn't particularly like that one.

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She's probably outside our jurisdiction is what I'm hearing from them.

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So I left that in just because, ah, a few reasons.

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One, the police, which we saw in the last episode, am I right?

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But also the false one because I think it borders on false, but it also borders on police.

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So have what you will with that one.

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Margaret Gibson is the next one.

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On October 21st, 1964, 70 year old American retired actress Margaret Gibson suffered

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a heart attack and then confessed to the February 1st, 1922 murder of film director William

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Desmond Taylor.

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Gibson was never mentioned during the investigation and no surviving documentation refers to any

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association between Taylor and her after 1914.

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All of the police files and physical evidence relating to Taylor's murder disappeared by

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1940.

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And aside from circumstantial evidence, no confirmation of Gibson's involvement in it has since emerged.

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However, Gibson's reported confession does not conflict with the known historical record.

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Again, it's kind of saying, we don't know for sure, but this person gave a deathbed confession.

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Yeah, they only get better from here.

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But I thought I would share these very well known ones.

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I'm at least glad they didn't fall back to their probably in the Republic of Ireland right now.

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So we don't need to investigate.

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And William Desmond Taylor actually alive and well.

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Did actually die.

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James Washington in 2012, James Washington admitted to the murder of Joyce Goodner, a

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35 year old Nashville, Tennessee woman who was found dead by firefighters inside an abandoned

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home 17 years prior, ended up recovering and was convicted of murder.

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Oh, here you go.

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And was convicted of murder despite trying to recant his confession.

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That's a good one.

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I'm glad that I covered your question.

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Phew.

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Yeah, look at that.

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That's the first.

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There's a first for everything here.

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I actually covered something.

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I would love to feel his thought process of like, he didn't die.

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He thought he was dying.

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So that must be like a good feeling or a relief feeling.

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But also, oh, shit, I'm probably going to spend the rest of my life now.

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Yeah, like, do you not covered in this episode at all?

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Like at what point are you dying enough to give your secret that you've kept up your

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whole life?

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I get what points are you like, okay, now's the time.

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But you don't want to get too far where you can't give in.

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Do you want to get into heaven?

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Well, and I think that comes down to the idea of a death bed.

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Does it not have to be the bed you're dying in?

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And it's probably the last time that you don't get out of that bed again.

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So is it when you see the grim reaper?

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Or is it too late at that time?

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No, not by the episode.

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I think it's a balance of the kind of news you're trying to get off your chest.

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But I'm learning that if you have murdered somebody, probably just keep that to yourself.

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Yeah, but sometimes you just got to tell somebody.

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And we got to be honest, especially through this day and age.

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I mean, ancestry DNA and stuff like that is, you know, taken away the murder death bed confession

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need because it's, you know, not if you're Catholic.

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Still got to do it. Yes, if you want to get that's true.

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You still got to confess to it on your death bed.

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It's true. Maybe.

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You're a hot bull.

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Maybe the Pope's just came up with it because they wanted to like hear these

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juicy details as people were dying.

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Have the Pope's ever taken like a last right?

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I feel like that's below the thing that popes.

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Man, I wish more of them spoke English.

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They just I'm getting nothing from them.

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They speak the Lord's language.

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German.

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Satoshi Kirishima.

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January 2024, a Japanese man died of terminal cancer at the hospital of

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Kamikura Kanagawa Refpture.

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A few days prior to his death, the man claimed to the nurses to be the Satoshi

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Kirishima, a wanted terrorist associated with the East Asia anti-Japan armed

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front who had evaded capture for 49 years.

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At the time of the man's death, Kirishima was one of the most wanted men in

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Japan with his wanted poster found ubiquitously throughout the country.

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It was confirmed that he was a Kirishima through DNA tests on the second of

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February of some year.

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So was it this year?

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I don't think it was this year.

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But yet we don't have a year.

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So maybe it was.

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So I have some stories coming up for you.

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And those are just some fairly well known ones, the ones that I just went

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through. If you could call them that.

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I am not well read on deathbed confession, so they weren't well known to me.

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I thought we'd move on to some better ones that might find a better

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audience on this podcast, perhaps.

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A more fringy side of it, I see.

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In 2007, an astonishing twist to the Roswell story came to light and

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reignite it claims that aliens did visit Earth in 1947.

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Lieutenant Walter Houtt worked at the military base near the town in 1947

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as a public relations officer.

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He was the man behind the original press release, which at first

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denounced that a flying disc had been found on the orders of the base

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commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

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Houtt died in December 2005 and on his deathbed left a sworn affidavit

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only to be opened after he passed away.

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That's the way you got to do it.

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Here's the answer.

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In 2007, his message was released and cast more doubt on whether the US

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government's explanation of the Roswell incident is accurate.

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The text claims that the government's weather balloon explanation was a cover

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story and that the actual object found by the military was stored in the

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base's hangar.

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It goes on to describe what Houtt had seen and he describes not just an

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alien aircraft but also claims to have seen alien bodies too.

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When he arrived at the military base, he was apparently told that a UFO had

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crashed and a small body recovered.

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Affidavit shared after his death, describes a meaning at the base with

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Colonel William Blanchard and General Roger Rayme.

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Houtt claims at the gathering pieces of wreckage were passed around, but nobody

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was able to identify the material it was made from.

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He stated the press release was put out because Roswell residents were aware

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of the crash site, but in fact, there was a second site where more debris was

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found.

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He claimed the press release was intended to distract the public's interest

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from the second and more important location.

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He mentioned a cleanup, which happened over several months and involved

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military personnel searching both crash sites for any other pieces of debris left.

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During the search, any signs of unusual activity were erased to cover up what

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had really happened.

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Houtt recalls how he was taken into one of the hangars at Roswell called

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Building 84 where he saw the craft, described it was a metallic egg shaped

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object around 12 to 15 feet in length and around six feet wide.

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His account described that.

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That is small.

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Like that's, I think that's smaller than a car.

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12 to 15.

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Well.

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Oh, 12 to 15 feet.

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15 feet. Okay.

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Yeah, about the size of a car.

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A big, a large van probably.

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Yeah.

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That is average maybe.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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It sounds like a car.

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His account described it as windowless and without wings, tail, landing gear,

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or any other features.

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Two bodies were on the floor and partially covered.

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He claimed and were around four feet.

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Did he really?

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Did he really give no description of what it looked like other than it was

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roughly the size of a car?

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Yeah.

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Uh, no, but it had no identifying features.

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I guess apparently at all.

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It didn't have a tail, landing gear, or features.

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It lacked everything.

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It could be a car.

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What he was seeing was a car.

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A hot concluded his note, quote, I am convinced that what I personally observed

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was some kind of craft and it's crew from outer space and quote, good for him.

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I am unsure where I sit on that.

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That's all of that depth bed confession.

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Obviously the original crash happened in 1947.

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Then we have, what's his idiot face?

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Bill Moore.

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He wrote his follow up to it, was it 20 or 30 years later, which would put it into the,

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yeah, it would have been 20 some odd years later in the 70s.

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Bill Moore wrote his infamous Roswell and that's where he got the bodies 20 years

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after the original crash.

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And then this guy is saying this in 2005.

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So I really don't know what to make of that.

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I mean, I also find it's an interesting interpretation of a deathbed confession

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because it's not actually released on his deathbed.

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It's released after his death.

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Yes.

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So it's a more liberal use of the term just because it's not something that came out

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on the deathbed.

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It came out due to.

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It is.

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I mean, I think you can take some liberty with deathbed confession.

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I mean, if you're giving something to be put out after you die, I think it's probably

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even though it didn't make it into my definition, I think it could be considered

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still a deathbed confession because you're saying you can only share this after I die.

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I don't know.

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I'm torn on this one, particularly.

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I am too.

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And also I would be curious when he wrote this thing and gave it to whoever it was

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to like not open until I die.

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Like, was this something that he wrote like immediately after and it was going to give

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to somebody and check him out basically and just said, no, this is this is how I'm going to do it.

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Or if he wrote it down like a couple of weeks, I don't know, he was diagnosed with cancer

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or something, and it was like 40 years after the fact.

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No, I would have to agree with that as well.

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Because those would be two different scenarios in my mind for how much weight we should give this.

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Yeah, that's my next question.

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How much weight do you give a deathbed confession?

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Should more trust be put into it because somebody is giving a confession on their deathbed?

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Well, here's the problem I have with it, though.

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It's not necessarily an utterance like we've talked about with a deathbed, an utterance from a dying person.

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This was written with intention when the person was perfectly healthy in my mind.

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Perhaps. We're not really given that information.

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No, but you would think-

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But that's the difference here.

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In writing something out and having it come out after you've died, that would be the case, I think, is why you're thinking that.

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Well, and the problem I have is when we're talking about the idea of a deathbed confession,

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it's something that's spontaneous, where it's something you want to get off your chest,

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so you just have to say it in my mind.

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Whereas this, it could almost interpret it as he didn't want it to be scrutinized or questioned.

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But what is-

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Because he had intention.

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He wrote this down.

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And he had the thought process.

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He wanted it out in his-

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But he didn't want it to be questioned in any way.

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However, there are cases in which you could foresee this.

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Like you said at the beginning of this episode, what if your death is very sudden?

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And what he wanted to ask for, said for it to come out.

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What if he had this information and there's someone that didn't want him to get that information out,

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and perhaps he was being hunted?

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Yeah.

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Hunted may not be the right word, but you know what I'm kidding.

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Saw it.

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Yes.

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Saw the death.

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But yeah, that's the problem I have is that like that you could equally say,

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as opposed to something just coming out of your mouth when you're dying.

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If you have the foresight to write it down like that,

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one of the things you need to wonder is why didn't they want this to be questioned?

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Yeah, it might just be that they fear repercussion.

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But it could be that the story doesn't hold up at all if you ask them any questions.

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Yeah, you know what question this brings up to me is,

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did this guy even actually exist?

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Just knowing how this story originated after it came out.

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And the year is what I'm questioning as well, 2007,

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and versus Bill Moore writing this.

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Oh, and that means like 50 years after the fact he died.

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So he had to be quite young when he was in the military.

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Yeah.

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So.

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And apparently very trusted.

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Would track for something that Bill Moore would be associated with

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because he wrote a whole book about it 20 years after Roswell

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that gave completely different information.

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So I digress.

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I hate Bill Moore.

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Okay, next one.

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We are moving on to the ocean.

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Yeah, these are different ones from the sky to the ocean to the Titanic,

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where Patty claimed that he was an ordinary seaman aboard the Titanic in 1912.

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And at that time he would have been 22 years old.

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He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic,

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that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week prior to that,

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and that the captain and the company knew about it.

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Patty also said that when the crew joined Titanic,

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there were rumors that the company had switched ships at layup,

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and that an insurance scam was going on.

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They sailed.

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Oh, the old insurance scam on the Titanic.

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I love that.

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I really hope that we come back to the story in a follow-up episode.

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Well, it wouldn't be a follow-up on one tiny story we're telling on a deathbed confession,

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but I hope we revisit this again because this is such a fun story.

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Just all the conspiracy theories around the Titanic.

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They sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg,

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it did not do serious damage, but when the cold water hit the coal fire,

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it exploded and caused the fatal damage.

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The chief mate put Patty in charge of a lifeboat,

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keeping older hands on deck for lowering boats.

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When the surviving crew got to the port,

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they were all taken aside and met by two men,

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one in high position in the company,

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the other man was in a very high position in the government.

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The government man read the crew the official secrets act,

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explaining that if they...

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There's an official secrets act.

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I gotta look this up.

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Explaining that if they told the real reason for the sinking, where the rumors of an insurance scam,

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they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail and would never get a job when they got out.

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Patty's there is.

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Are you serious?

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Yeah, the official secrets act of the UK.

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It was implemented in 1911.

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What? We need to do an episode on that?

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Wait, huh. Canada has one too.

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Was adopted in Canada with minor modifications in 1890.

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Gotta revisit this.

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Wow.

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Patty said that the guilt of keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health

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and the sanity of the surviving crew.

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This statement was relayed by a man called Dennis Finch.

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I don't even know if I should be giving you this information.

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I like what this guy is saying, to be honest with you.

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Apparently it's false.

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They did some background digging on him and found he was never on board.

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However, something like the official secrets act,

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you would think that they would have, you know, control over that manifest and might take his name

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off of there to make it seem as if if he did confess something that there would be no record of him being on board.

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And likely it would be a lot easier in the early 1900s to make a name change on a document.

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True. There's only one handwritten document.

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And this confession was retold in a book called Titanic or Olympic Witch Ship Sink

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by Steve Hall and Bruce Beverage.

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I would love to have a Titanic episode of all the conspiracies around the Titanic.

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There are plenty and I always loved one of these.

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But I mean the question still stands.

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How did he know about the official secrets?

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I think it's not for all this story.

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That was my question.

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Exactly. I thought that that sounded fake until you said there is one.

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So I definitely didn't know about an official secret.

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Can you imagine someone being like, actually you can't say anything about this because of the official secret act?

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And you know what my reaction would be at that point?

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First of all, now that I know that there's official secrets act,

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I'd be like finally something to put in my deathbed confession.

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Because right now I got nothing. I tell everybody all my secrets.

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Of course, your deathbed confession is going to be getting a lot better because we now have the knowledge of the official secrets act.

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Yeah.

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That we can just add to it.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So yeah, this episode just keeps getting better.

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I'm done with those confessions right now.

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Those are good conspiracy minded confessions.

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Now let's get to some Reddit deathbed confessions.

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This one's from anonymous.

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Quote,

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My mom had a patient who was terminal and confessed to killing his twin brother in Vietnam so he could blame the death on the war,

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steal his identity and then return to the US to be with his brother's wife.

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The wife had passed away years earlier and the patient's children blamed the confession on dementia until after his passing.

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But as it turns out,

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patient's daughter ended up finding a handwritten confession from decades ago stuffed in an old Bible.

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End quote.

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But it never disappoints.

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Next one is from Reddit user anonymous.

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I don't know how this is anonymous on Reddit, but here we are.

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Quote,

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I had a patient who was an 86 year old woman who had a bunch of crosses around the room.

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I had to ask her.

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Uh oh, she's Catholic.

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Yep, I had to ask her to fix them down.

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She's gotta do it.

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Due to the inability to create the care she needed.

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She insisted they all stay up because it was one cross for each soul she took.

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If that's true, she took 14 souls.

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End quote.

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That wasn't really, well kind of a confession.

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That's like an off base confession, right?

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Yeah.

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A little bit.

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Yeah, I guess it's a confession by implication.

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Yeah, sure.

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Next one.

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By mtjobijob.

488
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,240
Whoa, my great grandmother told us her birthday was October 30th, her whole life.

489
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,000
In her death bed, we found out it was October 31st.

490
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,160
She apparently had lied for 80 plus years on a superstition.

491
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Iberworth proved it after she was gone.

492
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,680
End quote.

493
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,600
Okay, so you don't gotta have a heavy hitter for a death bed confession.

494
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,640
I mean, to be fair, we don't know if that was a heavy hitter for her or not.

495
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,400
For her, that could be up to a lot of people.

496
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,440
Yeah, maybe it was like tightly guarded.

497
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,440
Next one by anonymous again.

498
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,760
Quote.

499
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,600
When my grandpa was dying, he confessed to my mom that her younger brother was not his biological son.

500
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,240
My grandma had passed away years earlier and had gone to her grave with the secret.

501
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,920
My grandparents were not together and lived separately, but during that time,

502
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,200
it would have been scandalous to have a child by another man.

503
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,760
The grandfather raised my uncle like he was his own son and none of the kids or anyone suspected he had a different dad.

504
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,840
It wasn't until later when my mom told my uncle and he didn't care.

505
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,600
Basically, no one in our family knows even I found out by accident.

506
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,280
Next one quote.

507
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:35,600
My dad told me that when his grandfather was about to die, he finally told his family why he had a tattoo on his arm.

508
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,480
It was always a mystery because he was a pastor at a church and he never spoke of it.

509
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,920
Apparently when he was 19, he was a safe cracker and robbed a bank and then got arrested.

510
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,600
So he got the tattoo in prison.

511
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,840
But when he got out, he decided to never tell anyone and turned his life around.

512
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,120
And that's user MNiM1.

513
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,120
Well, that was somebody willing to stand behind it.

514
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:57,520
Yep.

515
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,480
This one, loser Luna Lee 212.

516
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:07,040
But my mom and aunt grew up thinking their sister Suzanne died by slipping and falling while getting out of the tub.

517
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:14,720
They were all in their 20s when it happened and it wasn't until my grandfather was on his deathbed that my mom and aunt found out how she really died.

518
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,320
They had been cleaning out the house when they came across Suzanne's death certificate and discovered the true cause of death.

519
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,640
They confronted my grandfather who convinced that Suzanne had died by suicide.

520
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,200
They confronted someone on their deathbed.

521
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,760
Wow.

522
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,320
Yeah.

523
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,560
So there's some dark deathbed confessions.

524
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,840
I actually took some out because it was too dark for us.

525
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,480
Yeah.

526
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,680
That's for sure.

527
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,200
But it continues.

528
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920
Deathbed confessions are everywhere.

529
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,200
There's a plethora of them if that's something you're into.

530
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,480
This is from Ribbon.

531
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Well, when my father died, he finally told my mom that he and my grandmother had been divorced for years.

532
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040
No one in the family knew it all.

533
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Had it in his will to still give her everything and they still live together.

534
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,040
When my mom was going through his thing, sure enough, she found the divorce papers dating back to 1978.

535
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,080
End quote.

536
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400
What a weird one.

537
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,200
Interesting.

538
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,840
Yeah.

539
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,600
I'm sure there was something like tax implication wise they did it for something.

540
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,320
No kidding.

541
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,680
But still live together and still give her everything.

542
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,600
This one's BESK 89.

543
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200
My mom never knew her dad.

544
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,120
She was a result of a one night stand back in the early 60s.

545
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,720
My nan came from a conservative family, so it was a bit of a scandal.

546
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:33,120
She was going to give my mom up, but her own mother, a great nan, said no way and raised her by herself.

547
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:41,440
My nan always lied about who my mom's dad was saying he was a horrible person and going as far as to give him a cartoon character's name.

548
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Thinking it would make it hard to ever look him up.

549
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:52,160
On her deathbed, she confessed she actually didn't know who he was and that he was one of the few sailors who were at the port when my mom was conceived.

550
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,040
She had no name and no details about him at all.

551
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440
What cartoon character do you think she came from?

552
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,720
The name of my...

553
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,440
Yosemite.

554
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,400
Yosemite.

555
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400
Elmer Fudge.

556
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,600
Next one is anonymous.

557
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Quote, my grandma confessed to cheating on her husband and she encouraged my mother, her daughter-in-law, to do the same.

558
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,920
Nice.

559
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Next one.

560
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,960
That is a on the deathbed.

561
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Yeah.

562
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,560
You should probably cheat.

563
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,760
You should probably cheat.

564
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,760
Do you take it seriously or do you not?

565
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,960
That's the whole theme of this episode, I think.

566
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Yeah, and that is one thing too.

567
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:39,360
I'm wondering how many of these don't get reported because the person had dementia or some other cognitive issue near the end and they're just like, yeah, sure, crazy old man.

568
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:53,120
So there was a whole thread of deathbed confessions that were just people with dementia who were confessing all these random things that they were either like seeing delusionally.

569
00:30:53,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Like there was someone that was confessing all these murders and stuff but it was just they couldn't tell reality from the news that they were watching.

570
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Oh yeah, no, like they're confessing the Lincoln.

571
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:09,120
Yeah, they were watching the news and every day they would come in, they would confess to a different murder but it was because they couldn't...

572
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,480
That's what was on the news, yeah.

573
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,800
They couldn't tell that that was the news and they thought it was realities.

574
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:20,240
So they are confessing that every day and so it was kind of a tell of dementia patients as well.

575
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,360
Was deathbed confessions being lies?

576
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Next one from KMLW71.

577
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,720
Quote, before my grandma passed, she told us she hated being married and raising kids.

578
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,400
Oh no, there's the theme now.

579
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,240
She said she wanted to do stupid things.

580
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,520
You should probably cheat.

581
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,520
She could never do, but that she still loved everyone more than anything.

582
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,640
My mom later passed away with the same type of regrets.

583
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Ah.

584
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Another anonymous quote.

585
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:51,280
My dad grew up thinking my mom committed suicide when he was 10, when my grandfather passed away about a decade ago.

586
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,600
He confessed to my dad on his deathbed that he had actually killed my grandmother.

587
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Oh wow, that's a heavy one.

588
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,160
Ah.

589
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Yeah, thought I'd go out all the heavy ones, but that's pretty crazy.

590
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Quote, my grandmother was born in Cuba.

591
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,560
When she came to the US, she would cash her social security checks and keep them in a pot under her bed.

592
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,000
When she died, we decided to go through every inch of her apartment to see if we could find the money she would hide.

593
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,800
My uncle told us that the final week she was in the hospital, she kept telling him to check in the oven,

594
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
but gave no context as to why.

595
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Well, when my mom and I opened the oven door, we found a trash bag taped under one of the racks.

596
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,440
We opened it up and found two Tupperware containers with a total of $12,000 in them.

597
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Huh.

598
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
That's a good deathbed confession.

599
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Also, a tip that everybody should know if you're dealing with something like this,

600
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720
somebody who's dying and you're looking for documents.

601
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,520
Apparently a lot of old people keep documents in the freezer, so don't forget to check there.

602
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Yeah.

603
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,360
It's a great place.

604
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Yes.

605
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,880
I guess.

606
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,600
That's why I'll keep my documents now that you told that.

607
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Don't keep them there, please.

608
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,560
That's a terrible place.

609
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Quote, my grandmother told all of the kids, me and my grown cousins, that she had a tattoo of the outline of Texas on her ass.

610
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,560
The nurse in the room burst out laughing and confirmed that it was true.

611
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,920
That's another good one.

612
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,560
Okay.

613
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,520
Last ditch effort, I'm going to get a tattoo that no one knows about in an inappropriate place.

614
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,840
And when I'm old, I'll confess that.

615
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,680
Next one is Orange Star 17.

616
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:34,880
My grandpa, a Sicilian man with blessed cooking skills, told us on his deathbed that his meatballs were actually frozen

617
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,560
meatballs from the grocery store.

618
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,720
I thought you would like that one.

619
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,640
Earless Leader 85.

620
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,080
I have an amazing one.

621
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,440
My great grandmother lived a very long and interesting life.

622
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,760
She was in her 20s in the Great Depression.

623
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
She had a wild streak from those days.

624
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,920
Wow, wild streaks in the Great Depression.

625
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,440
Incredible that we didn't know much about it.

626
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,720
I know exactly to the point that we actually don't know our great grandfather's name.

627
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Just the husband she took later.

628
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Over the course of her nearly a hundred year life, she had collected owls.

629
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,600
Literally thousands of owl figurines.

630
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,040
She had clocks, wall hangings, potholders, lamps, stained glass art, salt shakers,

631
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,200
more little figurines than you can imagine all depicting owls.

632
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,920
We all wondered the importance of owls.

633
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,360
She never talked about them.

634
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,600
We just all knew she loved owls.

635
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,440
When she was nearing death at the age of 98 or 99 and the Doc said she had days,

636
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,760
my grandparents went and talked to her and they asked her if she had anything she wanted to

637
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,520
share or ask before she goes.

638
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,320
She thought for a moment and said, I never understood the owls.

639
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,120
It turns out she didn't really give a shit about owls.

640
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,800
Near so we can piece together.

641
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,240
Sometime in the 40s or 50s perhaps, she bought either a trivet or a set of salt and pepper

642
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,320
shakers that were owls.

643
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Then someone got her the other.

644
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,760
Those were the oldest owls anyone could remember, but from there someone got her an owl to match.

645
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,920
Probably a potholder, a placemat.

646
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Then all of a sudden her kitchen was owl themed.

647
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,640
From there at snowball the owls flowed like wine, baffling her for some years.

648
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,240
Eventually taking over as the bulk of her personal belongings.

649
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:30,160
The moral is if you're not actually into something mentioned it early on.

650
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,400
I thought that one was a super fun one.

651
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Next one, lies about expertise.

652
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,800
My time to shine.

653
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,280
Oh wow, this is someone's time to shine.

654
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,560
On their deathbed.

655
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:40,960
Yeah.

656
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,520
And fed stories.

657
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Here I go.

658
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:52,720
I worked at a hospital in Garmish, a small town near Munich for the last 14 years.

659
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,720
My job there is not fancy at all.

660
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,520
I move people around, throw the trash out and occasionally is she a janitor or he?

661
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,920
Take care of some handy like work, fix a leaking shower head and stuff like that.

662
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,160
As you can imagine, I get to see a lot of patients that come and go.

663
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Some of them pass away such as life I guess.

664
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,480
I remember a few instances of people confessing to me their biggest regrets.

665
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,760
Here are some examples.

666
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Number one, an old Polish woman told me that she regretted not fucking Hitler when she had the chance.

667
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Brackets, her words.

668
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,600
I wanted to ask her more context, but I was afraid to be honest.

669
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,120
Another notable example was an old truck driver that used to work for an Eastern German company.

670
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,760
He told me that once ran over some kids with his truck and was too afraid to stop and check

671
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,640
if they were okay.

672
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Yep, there's the dark one.

673
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,880
I didn't delete, but it was a part of a greater one.

674
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Once another Polish lady told me that she used to be a prostitute during the Second World War

675
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,120
and that she slept with very high up people in the government.

676
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,000
She told me that she did not regret that part in her life,

677
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,840
but that she could not tell anyone and that was a heavy emotional drake.

678
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,000
She also told me that she aborted more than five babies during that time.

679
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,360
There's another dark one.

680
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,240
Damn it.

681
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,520
That's not one.

682
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Next one, cunning, cunning, cunning.

683
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:13,120
Oh, my great uncle actually confessed to having two illegitimate sons right before he kicked the

684
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,600
bucket in front of his own children and grandchildren.

685
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,960
The crazy thing was that none of his children knew this life of his,

686
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,920
but even my great aunt knew about it because she would have made a huge fuss if she was alive at the

687
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,960
time and knew about him.

688
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,320
What was crazier was that these two sons already passed away five and seven years ahead of him,

689
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,120
respectively.

690
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,560
He was 98 years old and his invisible sons were 65 and 69 years old.

691
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,080
Invisible sons.

692
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:44,080
The children found out that they had no kidding that one of his invisible sons.

693
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,280
I don't like that word.

694
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Actually was a teacher at a school that his granddaughters attended when they were in high school.

695
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,320
Nevertheless, his children decided to reach out to the children of his invisible sons.

696
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Oh, I don't like that.

697
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,560
He got connected and learned some more stuff about my granduncle.

698
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,520
The craziest thing was that I actually dated one of the granddaughters of one of the invisible sons.

699
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,280
I went past the age of 69 years old.

700
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Those are Reddit stories.

701
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,640
There are further articles that I just want to throw in for an honorable mention at the end of the

702
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,520
episode.

703
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Number one, from the New York Times, a lawyer's deathbed confession about a sensational 1975

704
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,880
kidnapping.

705
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,720
And the second one, on his deathbed, her father told her a secret.

706
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:32,800
He was a fugitive and had robbed a bank in Ohio, which I think are great articles to maybe

707
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,800
include in the follow up episode because there is tons of stuff to do with deathbed confessions.

708
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,880
So yeah, that's my episode.

709
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,520
My favorite one is about the owls.

710
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,360
And I think we learned some lessons.

711
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,080
I think we did.

712
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,360
And how you should be honing your deathbed confession.

713
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,200
I think there's some good tips in there.

714
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,080
Things that you probably should deal with before your deathbed as well.

715
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Either, you know, the little things that you need to not let build up or just write it down

716
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,640
and have somebody read it after you die.

717
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,600
Also a great way.

718
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,400
Yeah, just I think that's the most foresight.

719
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,640
If there's something you really need to let out.

720
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Does that count as a Catholic confession if you write it down and then say like,

721
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,320
I don't think it is.

722
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,360
If I die, you got to get it out before you die.

723
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,640
Yeah, no, you have to confess it to a priest, I think.

724
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Your last.

725
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Well, what if you gave it to the priest?

726
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,880
I think that's a part of your last.

727
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,240
He's the person who reads it.

728
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:29,600
But what if you don't have a priest with you like around when you want to offload it?

729
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,280
Well, I think that's the same problem.

730
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,720
You give it to a priest and he say, open us on my death.

731
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,440
Then you got to trust the priest is going to die after you.

732
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,560
Yeah, that's a fair point.

733
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,320
And as far as I'm concerned, priests are always going to be older than me.

734
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,200
That's just in my head.

735
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,160
They're old guys.

736
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Yeah, and more the young guys that need protecting from the old.

737
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,240
Yeah.

738
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,480
But yeah, I guess it's the same problem for Catholics if they're in a car accident though.

739
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,000
No last rites.

740
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,360
No last rites.

741
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,440
So maybe you should just write that to your priest.

742
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,600
And I think we all need to just take a moment and write a letter to our priests.

743
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,400
But Chelsea, thank you very much for this episode.

744
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,560
I'm sure it's something we can build on from here.

745
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520
There's already a couple episodes that it sounds like are coming from this.

746
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Yeah.

747
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,760
But in the meantime, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

748
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,960
We are Journey to the Fringe.

749
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,880
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

750
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,200
All right.

751
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,520
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00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,840
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00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:30,720
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00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:36,880
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00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,920
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00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,360
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00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,640
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00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,960
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759
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:20,240
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