1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,960 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:18,280 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where everything great is pyramid-based, whether 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,160 it be a scheme or the basis of an episode. 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,480 We are your foreshading hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Here today, and Chelsea, I really want to make a point of explicitly telling you, I just 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,640 created a word here. 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:30,640 Foreshading. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,080 I don't think I was foreshadowing because very clearly people know what this episode's 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,080 about. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,520 It's in this episode's title, but I did give a little hint just before telling you here 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,000 that it is in fact about pyramids. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,520 So I'm calling that foreshading. 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,660 It's not quite a full shadow, it's a little bit of shade. 14 00:00:43,660 --> 00:00:47,960 It's a combination of the title because you're just clearly just going to say this episode's 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:48,960 about pyramids. 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,960 Yeah. 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,000 And the title, in combination that makes it foreshading. 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Yeah. 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,840 And it's that whole thing of we're pretending like the people listening don't know what 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,360 the episode's about before we tell them at the beginning of the episode, but they do. 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,360 And it's a little game we play with you people. 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,360 It is. 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,720 I quite like it sometimes. 24 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,400 I'm not sure about them sometimes, to be honest, what they do and what they don't know. 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Anyhow, it's foreshading when we do that. 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,440 I think it's a good word for it. 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,440 Yeah. 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,440 I would agree on that at least. 29 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,760 And Chelsea, here today, we've talked about triangles before, but I don't think we've 30 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:26,520 expressly like fully committed to the three-dimensional triangle that is the pyramid and doing episodes 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,520 on those. 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,760 Now, pyramids themselves are a great thing known very well in normalcy. 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,920 We're not going to be talking about the great pyramids or anything around those ones. 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,320 They're too mainstream at this point. 35 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,120 There are some fringe topics around those, but that's not what we're doing. 36 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,120 Okay. 37 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,040 No, what we're doing is looking at some little known pyramids around the world. 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,720 And it's a fun thing, Chelsea, when you look at it, that we all the time are discovering 39 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,720 new pyramids. 40 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,120 And we really are with the advancement of satellite technology and LiDAR. 41 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,800 I believe we've in fact covered a fringy mini on using LiDAR to discover pyramids in the 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:03,800 middle of the Amazon rainforest. 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,800 I think we have. 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Yeah. 45 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Because LiDAR, it sounds like something I would have only heard here. 46 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Did some familiar. 47 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,600 And we're not lying about it. 48 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,280 It is a real thing, but we're also not talking about those ones either. 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,280 Those ones seem pretty legit. 50 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,000 And in any event, there's still more to learn about them. 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 And we're going to leave that there. 52 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,120 You know, Chelsea, today we're going to talk about some potential pyramids that are out 53 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,560 there that people believe they have either seen they're looking for or are in plain sight, 54 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,840 but people don't believe them when they say they're a pyramid. 55 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,120 So Chelsea, let me take you on this journey. 56 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,280 It was great by that last one. 57 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Yeah. 58 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Yeah. 59 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,280 And you're going to learn a lot about that one right off the bat. 60 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Oh, good. 61 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,960 That one was my favorite so far. 62 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:48,080 Of little known pyramids or pyramids that could be the potential of the pyramids, if you will. 63 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Now I'm going to start this episode off. 64 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,160 We're going to go to former Yugoslavia into Bosnia, where we're going to look at the Bosnian 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,160 pyramid. 66 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Have you heard of this before? 67 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,160 No. 68 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,160 I want you to Google it right now. 69 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,160 You'll see a picture of it and just tell me what you see. 70 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,680 That's great because I was already doing it. 71 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,360 A pyramid covered in grass would be a magic gem. 72 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,880 It's got a pretty good shape to it. 73 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,120 That's the weird thing. 74 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,160 Mountains are inherently pyramid shaped for the most part. 75 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Yeah, but mountains are more like irregular because it's nature. 76 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Mountains are not generally geometrical like this clearly is. 77 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:20,880 Yeah. 78 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,800 And Chelsea, this is in a little town called Vizoco, northwest of Sarajevo in Bosnia. 79 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,800 It's a small town sitting at the foot of what is called the Valley of the Pyramids now in 80 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:31,800 Bosnia. 81 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,240 It's called a rip-off though. 82 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,600 This town was the capital of Bosnia during the Middle Ages and ruins of medieval fortresses 83 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,000 are located all over the hills here. 84 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,440 The hills and or pyramids are generally considered by modern science to be a type of hill known 85 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,440 as flat irons. 86 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,240 Now, they kind of litter that whole area. 87 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,840 The foothills are the flat irons that are all throughout this part. 88 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:59,000 But in October of 2005, a man by the name of Sam Osmanigic or Samir Osmanigic, I'm 89 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,440 not actually quite sure which one's right because in his own biography, he put Sam and 90 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,080 then also known as Samir. 91 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,680 So I don't know which one's his real name. 92 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:14,320 He comes with his supporters and he sees these and he says, oh yeah, these are definitely 93 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,320 pyramids. 94 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,280 Surprisingly, this is the first time anybody's ever done this. 95 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:23,080 I mean, if you've never seen a pyramid before and you just always saw it there, you think 96 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,480 no one's ever been there. 97 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,080 They've seen the pyramids or a pyramid. 98 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,080 This was 2005. 99 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,080 I don't know. 100 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,080 I don't know. 101 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,080 I'm just speculating. 102 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,080 Okay. 103 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:40,840 Sam comes along and he sees these hills and he says that they're part of an ancient pyramid 104 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:41,840 complex. 105 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,360 In his interview with Philip Coppens in Nexus sometime in April or May of 2006, Sam suggested 106 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,360 that they were most likely constructed by the Illyrians who, according to Sam, lived 107 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,520 in the area from 12,000 BC to 500 BC. 108 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,560 He has since argued that Visasica is an example of cultures building on top of other cultures. 109 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:07,720 And in 2017, Osmanigic actually claims that the structures date back as far as 34,000 110 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,720 years. 111 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:14,360 And also, during this time, happens to discover tunnels in and around these pyramid structures. 112 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,960 He has named them the Ravni Tunnels and says that they're an ancient man-made underground 113 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,960 network. 114 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,320 He claims they are 2.4 miles long or 3.8 kilometers. 115 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:29,080 And in these tunnels, he claims that he has found fossilized leaves that he has had carbon 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,720 dated back to 34,000 years ago. 117 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Wow. 118 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,720 That's crazy. 119 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,720 Long time. 120 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,400 And Bosnia has also given these hills his own name as he's been kind of looking at them 121 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,720 and digging them up. 122 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,080 He calls two of the hills the Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of the Moon, not to be 123 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,600 confused with the ones in Mexico that are called the Pyramids of the Sun and the Moon. 124 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,760 And he has named other ones the Pyramids of Love, the Earth, and the Dragon. 125 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,560 He has just found in pyramids all throughout this valley in Bosnia. 126 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Interesting. 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,920 And in fact, Bosnia has fully embraced this with local authorities funding his excavations 128 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,760 in the area and authorizing visits to the pyramids by school children with guides telling 129 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,800 them the hills are part of Bosnian heritage. 130 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,200 And since Osmantogic started this endeavor, the site has become a tourist destination. 131 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Where's Sam from? 132 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,480 We are going to read his entire biography, so we will get to that. 133 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,080 He was born in Yugoslavia, which ends up being fragmented into Bosnia, Herzegovina, 134 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,520 and then in just Bosnia. 135 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,520 He is at least a part of that Balkan state area. 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,040 It's not like he's coming in as like a Westerner in saying this. 137 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,000 It's so weird though that like there's no like mention of it before he comes along and 138 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,880 is like, yeah, it's totally already. 139 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Oh, yeah. 140 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,200 Yeah, I agree. 141 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,840 According to Osmantogic, the dig in 2006 when he started excavating was involved in international 142 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:57,240 team of archaeologists from Australia, Austria, Ireland, UK, and Slovenia. 143 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,200 However, many of these archaeologists whom he named have clearly stated on the record 144 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,040 that they did not agree to participate and were never at the site. 145 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Osmantogic also claimed the support of a quote Oxford archaeologist, unquote, who was found 146 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,400 to be an unqualified undergraduate. 147 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,960 His foundation's website also claims support of a British member of parliament and the 148 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,920 name was not that of any sitting member at the time. 149 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Which also claims that the direction of the hills reveal alignments to support ancient 150 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,320 human cosmology. 151 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:31,360 According to Enver Buzza, a surveyor at the Sarajevo Geodetic Institute, the quote pyramid 152 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,840 of the sun and quote is perfectly oriented to the north. 153 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Osmantogic has said that the sides of the pyramids are oriented towards the cardinal 154 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,000 points and has claimed that this could not be produced by natural processes. 155 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,520 Osmantogic's claims have also centered on alleged evidence concerning satellite photography, 156 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,480 thermal analysis and radar detection. 157 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,720 An article by Ian Trainor for The Guardian in 2006 reported that Osmantogic and his team 158 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:59,000 alleged that their results from such research showed that the hills were not natural formations 159 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,920 that tunnels may exist inside the hills, which he has since found. 160 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,840 According to Osmantogic, his excavations have produced evidence of blocks that he claims 161 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,280 may be part of a man-made outer surface. 162 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Osmantogic's claims that these blocks are made of a concrete port on site that was stronger 163 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,680 than any of today's versions. 164 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,720 So he has a lot of things that are just absolutely bonkers about this place compared to anything 165 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,040 that we've really seen from that time. 166 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Yeah, look in that way. 167 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,600 And especially that this dates anywhere from like 12,000 to 34,000 years ago in his mind. 168 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,280 Yeah, that's a long time. 169 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,360 Here's a bit of an attraction even though we've done a bit of that for him already. 170 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Osmantogic's claims have been repeatedly condemned by qualified scientists and archaeologists. 171 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:46,040 Seven leading European archaeologists issued a European Association of Archaeologists Declaration 172 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,040 stating, 173 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,360 We, the undersigned professional archaeologists from all parts of Europe, wish to protest 174 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,120 strongly at the continuing support by the Bosnian authorities for the so-called pyramid 175 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,440 project being conducted on hills at and near Vizoko. 176 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,160 This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine 177 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,160 science. 178 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:09,280 It is a waste of scarce resources that would be much better used in protecting the genuine, 179 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,840 archaeological heritage, and is diverting attention from the pressing problems that are 180 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,760 affecting professional archaeologists in Bosnia, Herzegovina on a daily basis. 181 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,120 This declaration was signed by some pretty prominent archaeologists of Europe, including 182 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Hermann Pahrsinger, present at the German Archaeological Institute in Berlin, Willem 183 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Willems, 184 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Inspector General of the Ritian Specti Archaeology in the Hague, and Jean-Paul de Mol, president 185 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:40,320 of the Institute Nationale des Research Archaeologiques, prevent the archaeologists in France. 186 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:58,600 Osmanigic's assertions have been categorically refuted by a number of experts who have accused 187 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,160 him of promoting pseudoscientific notions and damaging valuable archaeological sites with 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,160 his excavations. 189 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:10,520 Amar Karapas, a curator of the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Sarajevo, has 190 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:11,520 said, 191 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,000 When I first read about the pyramids, I thought it was a very funny joke. 192 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,480 I just couldn't believe that anyone in the world could believe this. 193 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,520 Garrett Fagan of Penn State University has quoted this saying, 194 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,280 They should not be allowed to destroy genuine sites in the pursuit of these delusions. 195 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,480 It is as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers 196 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,120 of lost ancient wisdom underneath. 197 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Anver Emma Movic of the University of Sarajevo, a former director of the National Museum of 198 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Sarajevo, was concerned that the excavations will damage historical sites such as the medieval 199 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:50,480 royal capital, Vesokie, said the excavations would irreversibly destroy a national treasure. 200 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,600 And in excavations in the summer of 2008, bioarchaeologists who are not related to Osmanigic's 201 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,760 foundation uncovered medieval artifacts which led to renewed calls for the government to 202 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,000 cancel Osmanigic's digging permits. 203 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:08,320 A former employee, Nadia Nukic, told a Bosnian newspaper that carvings on stones at Osmanigic's 204 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,400 characterizes as dating from ancient times were not present when the stones were first 205 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,400 uncovered. 206 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,520 They were later ascribed by Osmanigic's team. 207 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,800 Osmanigic has denied these statements, however. 208 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:18,800 What? 209 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,480 And it should be noted here, Dr. Bryant Stewart, assistant curator at the Museum of Anthropological 210 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Archaeology at the University of Michigan, stated, 211 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,000 There were very worrying reports that he and his team have essentially sculpted the sides 212 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,600 of these natural hills into something they think resembles pyramids, in the process stripping 213 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,600 away sediment which contains layers of actual archaeology from medieval and earlier periods. 214 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,160 Oh my god. 215 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Yeah. 216 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,360 But with Osmanigic's work in this area, tourism is bustling. 217 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,320 They have claimed to have attracted 200,000 tourists in the first year of his operations 218 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,320 at the site. 219 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,520 In 2006, he was seeking funding from investors in Malaysia, the construction archaeological 220 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,520 park. 221 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,920 Osmanigic also intended to establish parks around other landmarks which he claims as 222 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,720 ancient monuments and scientists say are natural features. 223 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Attendance has declined somewhat as the Bosnian hills since these early years, but souvenir 224 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,640 sellers say they still depend on the steady business. 225 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Osmanigic has added events claimed to enhance the spiritual atmosphere at the site. 226 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,600 For instance, meditation sessions are held in the so-called Ravna Tunnels, which he claimed 227 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,600 to have discovered. 228 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,240 And in 2016, Osmanigic claimed that 5,000 people had visited the archaeological park 229 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,200 since it opened in June of that year. 230 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,920 In 2016, Osmanigic's foundation opened Ravna Tunne park. 231 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,080 The park is visited by tens of thousands of tourists on a yearly basis, but also by a 232 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,000 large number of locals and visitors from the surrounding area. 233 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,080 It is supported by the Visoco Municipal Government and the Zeneca Doboj Canton. 234 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,520 The Visoco Municipal Council declared it as a park of significance. 235 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Which is kind of just crazy that that's happened. 236 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,880 But Chelsea, I bet you're wondering at this point, who the hell is Sam Osmanigic? 237 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,040 Yeah, no, I've been wondering about that. 238 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,120 I'm going to read to you his biography from his website. 239 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Oh, you got to love it when it comes directly from there, from them. 240 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,680 Dr. Sam Osmanigic, born June 1, 1960, aka Samir Osmanigic. 241 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:14,720 Again, I have no idea which one's the right one, because Samir sounds like his actual 242 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,720 name, but that's the also known as. 243 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,760 I think it has to be Samir, and then he goes by Sam, I think. 244 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,760 Yeah. 245 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,240 That's just my speculation, though. 246 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Yeah. 247 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,120 So he's a Bosnian-American scientist, megalithic, and pyramid sites researcher, internationally 248 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:32,280 acclaimed speaker, and author of 18 books on ancient civilizations and businessmen. 249 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,640 And sorry, it's not not ancient civilization and businessmen. 250 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,160 He's also a businessman. 251 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,440 I just wanted to make. 252 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,440 Okay. 253 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,400 I thought he was writing books on businessmen. 254 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:48,000 Sam wrote and narrated the 12 episode documentary, Search for Lost Civilization for the state 255 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,640 television of Bosnia and Herzegovina in 2007, and is the founder of the archaeological park 256 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,520 Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation. 257 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,640 He is best known for discovering an ancient pyramid complex in Visoco, Bosnia, Herzegovina, 258 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,040 which many scientists claim are the largest and oldest manmade structures in the world. 259 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,520 Since 2005, he has served as a project's principal investigator. 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,320 And I really want to stress, and he put these words in here, just rereading this, he's best 261 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,960 known for discovering an ancient pyramid complex, which many scientists claim are the largest 262 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,840 and oldest manmade structures in the world. 263 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,880 That is not the consensus at all. 264 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,880 His early life, Osmaniagic is the second son of Tonka Osmaniagic and professor Dr. 265 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,240 Muri Osmaniagic. 266 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:38,120 The first mining PhD in Yugoslavia and a renowned scientist was born in Zeneca, Bosnia, Herzegovina, 267 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,720 former Yugoslavia on June 1, 1960. 268 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,160 He studied in Sarajevo, where he graduated from both elementary and high school as the 269 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,040 top student in his division. 270 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,640 And I find it really weird if this might be a cultural thing where it's really important 271 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:51,840 like the birth order. 272 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,840 Yeah, it comes up a lot. 273 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:59,640 Osmaniagic has a PhD in mine pyramids from the University of Sarajevo in Bosnia, Herzegovina, 274 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,320 2002 to 2007. 275 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,400 Prior to that, he graduated from the University of Sarajevo with a master's of science in 276 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,320 international economics, a bachelor of science in political sciences, a bachelor of science 277 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,080 in economics, and two years of sociology training. 278 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,880 He operated an import-export business for seven years. 279 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,280 After earning his degree from the University of Sarajevo, he moved to the United States 280 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,440 in 1992. 281 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,360 Just as the Bosnian War began, he settled in Houston, Texas and worked as a marketing 282 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,480 assistant for a business that made components for oil and gas wells. 283 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,120 He received a promotion to manager and became a minority owner of the company in 1995, owning 284 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,600 5% of it. 285 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:40,160 I'm sorry, I giggled because on Seinfeld, Elaine and George are making up a lie about 286 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,320 a boyfriend she doesn't have who's an importer or exporter. 287 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,480 Yeah, it's perfect cover, isn't it? 288 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Doesn't sound made up at all. 289 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,120 Yeah. 290 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:56,800 I want to stress, outside of his PhD in my in pyramids, he has bachelor of science degrees. 291 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 We're going to talk about that once we get to that part, Chelsea. 292 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,840 Outside of that part, he has a bachelor of science degree. 293 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,960 It's in economics, international economics, political science, and economics. 294 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Those are his three degrees before the my in pyramid stuff. 295 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:18,160 And I should make a note that his my in pyramid PhD is at Sarajevo from 2002 to 2007. 296 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,200 He discovered the pyramid in 2005. 297 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,840 He did not have any training in any way for the pyramid stuff at that time. 298 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,040 Is it like an honorary PhD? 299 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,640 We'll get to that at some point. 300 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Don't worry. 301 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:32,640 Okay. 302 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,600 And anyhow, his scientific career, he is known worldwide as an expert on pyramids and 303 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,760 has researched the sites of pyramid. 304 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,760 I'm sorry. 305 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:46,240 I just love how this paragraph, I love how this paragraph rolls out and ends. 306 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,240 It's just great. 307 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,240 I had the restart. 308 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,520 He is known worldwide as an expert on pyramids and has researched the sites of pyramidal 309 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,760 constructions in various countries, including China, Mauritius, the Canary Islands, Egypt, 310 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,360 Peru, El Salvador, Guatemala, Bolivia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Italy, Spain, Greece, Australia, 311 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,480 USA, Honduras, and Mexico, and has traveled to more than 100 countries. 312 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,480 He's decorated. 313 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,280 I don't know how that lasts though. 314 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,160 Half those countries don't have pyramids. 315 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,320 And then he just adds in at the end, he's been to over 100 countries and that helps 316 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,560 him be an expert in pyramids. 317 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,560 Might be. 318 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,560 That's great. 319 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,400 He is an anthropology professor at the American University in Bosnia, Herzegovina, the Center's 320 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:31,880 director, 2011 to 12, and a foreign member of Moscow's renowned Russian Academy of Sciences, 321 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,880 which counts many Nobel Prize winners among its members. 322 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,240 He's introduced as an honorary member of Croatian Academy of Sciences and Art in Diaspora and 323 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Bosnian Academy of Science and Art, Kulin Ban. 324 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,080 He is also a fellow member of the Archaeological Society of Alexandria. 325 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Osmanagic received an invitation to Visokicca's fortress ruin in April of 2005. 326 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:59,480 Osmanagic observed Visokicca's hills, pyramidal shape while he was there. 327 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Later he published a book supporting the idea that the hill was the wreckage of a long ago 328 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,840 pyramid that was built by intelligent hands. 329 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,360 He asserted that this pyramid was one of six enormous stone constructions that were pyramid 330 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,280 shaped and had a vast network of prehistoric tunnels. 331 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,360 He gave these constructions the name Bosnian Pyramids and founded the archaeological park 332 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:22,200 Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation as a charitable organization to support the marketing 333 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,680 and research of the site. 334 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:29,440 With over 650,000 working hours logged between 2005 and 2023, the project has emerged as 335 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,720 the world's most important and most active archaeological site. 336 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,960 He and his team have so far found 11 artificial structures including the Bosnian Pyramid of 337 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,600 the Sun, the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon, Pyramid of the Love, Pyramid of the Dragon, 338 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Temple of Mother Earth, the Sixth Pyramid, the Veratnika, Delovi, Anginia Timuli, the 339 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,720 KTK tunnels, and the underground Labyrinth Ravna, which consists of six undiscovered 340 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,320 entrances to the tunnel. 341 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,040 Before that he spent 25 years studying pyramids around the world, visiting exploring most 342 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,040 of them. 343 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,240 These include the Chinese pyramids in the central province of Shanxi, the Co-Kur pyramids in 344 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,440 Cambodia, the pyramids of Indonesia, Australia, Sudan, Egypt, the Canary Islands, Marushas, 345 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:17,240 Peru, Bolivia, and the USA and Spain are in there. 346 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,600 Finally, Bosnia, where most of them are completely covered in vegetation. 347 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,200 We're going to make a big note of this part. 348 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,880 The business ventures between 1986 and 1989, Dr. Sam served as an associate at the Institute 349 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,280 for Strategic Development at UNIS, United Metal Industries of Sarajevo. 350 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,560 He founded his company Meteorite, Inc., for construction and international trade. 351 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,120 He held the position of general manager of Houston protectors, Inc. 352 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,560 When he went to the US, Osmanagic established the manufacturing firm Met Company, Inc., in 353 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,760 Houston in 1995 and served as the company's owner and CEO until 2022 when he sold it. 354 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:56,040 He has resided in Zanica, Bosnia from 1960 to 69, Sarajevo from 1969 to 92, Houston in 355 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,280 92 to 2011, Sarajevo from 2011 to 2021, and Vesoko from 2021 to present. 356 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,200 That's where the pyramid is, right? 357 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,200 Yeah. 358 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,520 He has way too much personal detail here. 359 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:11,080 Asmanyagic has had two marriages, Oxana Garusey, his ex-wife, was born in 1968 and resides 360 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,400 in Houston, Texas. 361 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,600 What kind of doc singer there? 362 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:23,120 Well, here's your phone number, 416666666666. 363 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:28,120 Dario, his son, is a Houston-based electrical engineer and programmer born in 1989. 364 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:32,000 Sabina Asmanyagic, his current spouse, is a journalist who works as the general manager 365 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000 of Bosnian Pyramids, Inc., and she was born in 77. 366 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,360 In 2021, Sam and Sabina relocated to Vesoko from Sarajevo. 367 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,200 This has drawn some really weird attention. 368 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,040 It has a ton of tourists, but anybody who's kind of new agey and has some money has kind 369 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,360 of gone to see this thing. 370 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:52,880 The one person who's really attached to it is Novak Djokovic, the tennis player. 371 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:53,880 He's been to it multiple times. 372 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,840 Oh, I saw him on a news article. 373 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,600 I was reading something through this and I just need to include it while we're doing 374 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,600 this. 375 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Yeah, please. 376 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,600 Where is it? 377 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,560 The Pyramids received their biggest boost yet when one of the greatest tennis players 378 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,800 of all time, Novak Djokovic, started visiting the site and meditating inside the tunnel complex 379 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,800 near the Pyramids. 380 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,120 Positive energy is very important to Djokovic and something he directs to many areas of 381 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,120 his life. 382 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:22,240 Indeed, in his roller coaster of a book, Served to Win, the 14-day gluten-free plan for physical 383 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,040 and mental excellence, he shares these many beliefs with his readers, including the fact 384 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,120 that he believes that conversation is very influential on food we eat. 385 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:35,000 Accordingly, to Djokovic, any negative conversation about broccoli, for example, might result 386 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,200 in it being stripped of its nutrients as well as its taste. 387 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,600 As a result, Djokovic won't allow any negative energy to get near his dinner table. 388 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,400 This means a ban on texting and emailing and watching television. 389 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,960 In his book, he explains, I believe that if you are eating with some kind of fear or 390 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,280 worry or anger, the taste of the food and the energy you get from it won't be as powerful. 391 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,600 What you give is what you get. 392 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,480 Although positive chat is allowed, there isn't much of that either as Djokovic basically 393 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,680 spends much of the meal involved in mental dialogue with his food. 394 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,160 After each bite, he places the fork back down on the table and becomes entirely focused 395 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,160 on the chewing. 396 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,560 He wants to instruct the food where it needs to go so it can help in the healing of any 397 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,720 wounds he may have acquired during recent tennis matches. 398 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,120 Quote, as I chew, the process of digestion is already starting. 399 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,480 The enzymes in my saliva mix with the food so that when it hits my stomach, it's a 400 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040 fully formed piece of quote information. 401 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,720 I'm quote, I'm quote. 402 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,040 But yeah, he's got some fun beliefs in there. 403 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,640 He also, this is game right out of left field when I was reading this, every July in Visoco, 404 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:42,040 Bosnia Herzegovina, Dr. Sam Osmanogic conducts an event called NBA Stars for the Children 405 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,280 in Foster Care. 406 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Moreover, he supports regional sporting and cultural events. 407 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,720 He wrote that in his own biography. 408 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,160 I don't know what that means, but the NBA is involved in it. 409 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,400 What's his native language? 410 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800 What does he prefer to communicate with him? 411 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,040 He lived in Houston for like 10 years. 412 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,960 It has to be English, or at least he has to have passable English. 413 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,760 I was gonna say, like, is he writing this with no prior knowledge of English? 414 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,760 I don't know. 415 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,760 It's hard to say. 416 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,080 And it should be noted, he really touted the fact that he was part of the Russian Academy 417 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,440 of Natural Sciences. 418 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,320 It's under heavy criticism for promoting pseudoscientific theories and a large number of the purported 419 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,320 academies. 420 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Members also have no formal education in natural sciences. 421 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,400 Case in point, this guy. 422 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,560 So there's that. 423 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,240 And you know how I said that they've tested leaves they found in the tunnel? 424 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,880 That they're 34,000 years old? 425 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,280 Yeah, you told me they're wrong. 426 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,280 I looked this up. 427 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,320 They've been tested by one person, abandoned by the name of Paul LaVeolette. 428 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,320 His name has come up. 429 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,000 I don't know if it's on this show or not before, but if you've watched Ancient Aliens 430 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320 in that whole group, he's involved in that. 431 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,800 I looked it up and the best I could find is he does have a PhD, but he's known for writing 432 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,800 the books Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, Subquantum Kinetics, Earth Under Fire, Genesis 433 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,000 of the Cosmos, Decoding the Message of the Pulsars, Galactic Superways and their Impact 434 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 on Earth. 435 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000 And he's the only person who's ever done that and it's only been studied at a lab 436 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,520 in Kiev, Ukraine. 437 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,960 So that's like nobody else has gotten a look at them. 438 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,360 Oh, that sounds super rare. 439 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:11,360 Yeah. 440 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,480 And of course, Chelsea, because this is a real place you can go and visit, that means 441 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 I could go on Google and there are reviews of this place out there. 442 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,840 And of course, that means there are one star reviews. 443 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,720 So we're going to start with Chris Muller, who was there a month ago. 444 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,120 He has given 13 reviews before and he gave it a one star review. 445 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,840 Biggest scam I ever fell for, it's literally a hill. 446 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,680 They call it Pyramid of the Sun and surrounding hills pyramids of the Boon and of love or 447 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,680 whatever. 448 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,680 But they're all just hills, nothing else. 449 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,880 The woman then explained that the stones of the pyramids were not carried by slaves 450 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,200 but by cosmic force created by scientists. 451 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,600 I literally do not understand how the government actually just watches people get ripped off. 452 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,600 Oh well. 453 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,320 With all these fake reviews, the scam might live on forever. 454 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Fake reviews? 455 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,400 Rob Parkhouse has one as well, a one star review. 456 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,400 This is three weeks ago. 457 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000 He has 61 reviews, so I don't think he's a bot. 458 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,280 A total scam, not a pyramid, just a hill. 459 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,800 If you do go, then don't go via front entrance where you need to pay. 460 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,800 Go around the back and walk up for free. 461 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Nice views from the top though. 462 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,560 So that's a good little piece of advice. 463 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,200 It was one star though, wasn't it? 464 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,200 It was one star. 465 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,840 So if you do want to go see it, at least go for free. 466 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,840 Go the back way. 467 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,120 Okay, yeah, go the back way. 468 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,480 And then Dennis RB, I think, has my favorite review here. 469 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,520 He's given 50 reviews again of one star. 470 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,040 A place that attracts naive people who think this place got power or high energy. 471 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,680 This is nothing new under the sun, where people are worshiping creation instead of the creator. 472 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440 Brackets Jesus Christ and Bracket. 473 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,840 I love a good Bracket Jesus Christ. 474 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Yeah, I just love that people are falling for this scam when they should be worshiping 475 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,440 Jesus. 476 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,080 But it's just, I don't know. 477 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,520 It's perfect. 478 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Just perfect. 479 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,520 Just kiss. 480 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720 Anyhow, that's the Bosnian pyramid, Chelsea. 481 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,160 I think it was a lot of fun. 482 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Yeah, I quite enjoyed that. 483 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040 I don't know if it'll go based on those reviews. 484 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,640 I'd rather worship Jesus Christ. 485 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,640 We should just be worshiping Jesus Christ. 486 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,640 What are we doing? 487 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,640 Exactly. 488 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,080 Now, Chelsea, we're going to go from this thing that is in the ground that you can at 489 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,480 least claim as a pyramid, and we're going to go north. 490 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,760 And then we're going to go, I don't know which direction, but towards Alaska, because you 491 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,760 can go either way. 492 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,280 I think we're kind of basically on the other side of the planet from it. 493 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,880 To go east or west, yeah. 494 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,880 Yeah. 495 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,920 We're going to go to Alaska, and we are going to look at the Alaskan Black Pyramid, Chelsea. 496 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,160 Oh, yeah. 497 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,760 I think you're going to learn some stuff here. 498 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,600 So I didn't know this. 499 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,800 Nobody talks about this prior to July 26, 2012. 500 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,800 Did you know that? 501 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,800 No, really? 502 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000 That's the first time it came up in the public. 503 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,760 Like it's said to exist far before that, but the first time anybody talked about it was 504 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,760 in 2012. 505 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Actually, a fairly fortuitous is the wrong word for it, but I'm going to use it anyways 506 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,400 with the dawn of 2012 coming in December of that year, or I guess the dusk of 2012 happening 507 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,880 in December of that year, talking about the discovery of a pyramid in Alaska. 508 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,280 The existence was not confirmed until July 26, 2012 when veteran journalists and UFO 509 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,640 specialist Linda Moulton-Howell reported its discovery on Coast to Coast AM's radio 510 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,760 show despite claims of its ancient origins. 511 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,400 I didn't realize that was the origin of it. 512 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,400 Yeah. 513 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,880 I remember her talking about it a lot. 514 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,400 Yeah, she talks about it a ton. 515 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,600 At that time, she was talking about the Alaska Triangle in that zone where ships, planes, 516 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,000 and people have disappeared. 517 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,200 She estimated during that time that 18,000 individuals had gone missing in that area 518 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,520 since 1988. 519 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,440 On the evening of that day, Linda Moulton-Howell aired a pre-recorded conversation with Doug 520 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,440 Muchsler. 521 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,880 I don't know how to say this name, M-U-T-S-C-H-L-E-R, Muchsler, I think. 522 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,880 Yeah, it was cool with them. 523 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,040 A retired US Army counterintelligence agent who described the events leading to the uncovering 524 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,560 of the pyramid and revealed the connection between the location and the US military. 525 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,600 Doug Muchsler stated this, on May 22, of 1992, China carried out an underground nuclear test 526 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,720 in Launpour, detonating a one-megaton device under the desert of northwest China, and was 527 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,520 at first thought to be a major earthquake when detected by some seismologists. 528 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,080 According to Muchsler, geologists had used the detonation to undertake a seismographic 529 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,720 study of the Earth's crust only to find a pyramid structure underground, somewhere 530 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,200 west of Mount McKinley. 531 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,720 Muchsler recalls that the local NBC affiliate ran a story announcing the structure's discovery 532 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,800 about six months after the detonation, but when Muchsler attempted to follow up with 533 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,760 the station to get a copy of the story, evidently not as part of his duties at Fort Richardson 534 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,520 where he was stationed, they denied that the story had ever run and asserted that they 535 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,640 certainly didn't have a copy to provide. 536 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,120 Muchsler then called relatives to track down copies of the story that had run on other 537 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,720 stations, but apparently none had. 538 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,040 The discovery only appeared on Anchorage Channel 13. 539 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,360 Muchsler was later transferred from Alaska to Fort Meade, it's the home of the NSA, 540 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,880 where he went to a classified archive, seemingly searching it out to confirm the pyramid story 541 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:44,880 that he had found. 542 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,680 This is from him, I thought maybe they'd have something about this pyramid, so I went 543 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,400 to what I guess would be a librarian, and I asked him if he had anything on archaeological 544 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,240 sites, I didn't say pyramid, but I said archaeological sites or underground facilities in Alaska. 545 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,840 He said, well, if we do, I think it might be in container X, Y, or Z. 546 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,480 So I went over there and I was just looking around and I didn't really find anything 547 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,120 saying pyramid, but I grabbed a couple of Alaska, like from two different safes, when 548 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,720 I just sat down these two guys came, you know how you can feel when someone is standing 549 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,480 behind you and there's these two goons, and they go, hey, you don't have a need to know 550 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,040 for that information. 551 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,440 And the other guy, somehow in that conversation he goes, they don't want us messing with 552 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,800 them up there anymore. 553 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,440 They don't want you messing with them up there, they don't want us or anybody messing 554 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,440 with them. 555 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,440 So, the morning after Moulton House interview with Muchler, however, things got really weird, 556 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,040 and inspired by Muchler's dogged research, the adopted son of a retired Western electrical 557 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,800 engineer reached out to Moulton House to confirm the basics of Muchler's claim, and 558 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,440 to add several new wrinkles, Moulton House news source claimed that his father had worked 559 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,720 on a powerful electrical system emanating from a very large underground pyramid of unknown 560 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,040 origin in Alaska between 1959 and 1961. 561 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,100 And I should just add at this point, Linda Moulton House still has these interviews up 562 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,960 on Earth Files, her YouTube channel, so if you do want to go listen to the originals, 563 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,960 you can. 564 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,480 I am paraphrasing everything as much as possible because they're each at least like an hour 565 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,480 and a half long. 566 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,120 Oh yeah, probably much longer. 567 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,680 And she always has an intro in there as well where she's talking about her cats. 568 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,680 Oh yeah. 569 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,320 Yeah, like, they're always there. 570 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640 They look like they're not even alive. 571 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,280 Sometimes, they were very active in this one. 572 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Okay. 573 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Although I am certain at some point in Earth Files they either have been or will be stuffed 574 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,680 and just laying there and we won't know. 575 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,720 You won't be able to tell the difference. 576 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,240 This is what the second guy says. 577 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,320 After the war, he earned a degree in electrical engineering and physics. 578 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,880 After finishing college, my father was re-recruited by the military enjoying a group of other 579 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,680 experts to study and work in an underground structure in Alaska. 580 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Then in his words, they called it the dark pyramid. 581 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,200 He spoke numerous times of how seriously the government took his project and the steps 582 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,680 they took to keep it a secret. 583 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,840 And Brackets, I always assumed it was a military installation in Brackets. 584 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,160 He said it was a study of energy distribution. 585 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,000 He went on to be the key leader of the quote, information bubble, unquote, for AT&T, which 586 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,600 of course was a precursor to the web and cell phone technology we all know today. 587 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,320 In his later years, he would always complain when receiving his electric bill that it 588 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160 would be free if we knew the truth. 589 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,160 Now, I'm starting to think he knew a lot more than we ever gave him credit for. 590 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240 I am in the process of going through his old papers and studies to see if there's any 591 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,680 reference to this time in Alaska. 592 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,120 And there may be no information since, as he said it, was confidential. 593 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,280 If this a pyramid allegedly found in 1992 is true, our government may have known about 594 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,520 it far earlier than that and had taken extensive measures to keep it hidden. 595 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,080 Those are the first two people that come forward and I think that's actually all that come 596 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,080 forward. 597 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,160 The stories do go a lot more in depth than I did if you go listen to them, but that's 598 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,720 the gist of where the pyramid in Alaska comes from. 599 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,520 I totally remember that story, that episode, or whatever you want to call it, interview, 600 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,520 maybe? 601 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,240 That doesn't go any further than that? 602 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,720 They go into detail, but I don't think there's any more people that come forward for it. 603 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,600 Or at least I didn't have the time to find if there were any more. 604 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,600 I looked into these two. 605 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,120 Okay, okay, fair enough. 606 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,920 Unfortunately, we get into now holes in Linda Moulton-Hau's journalistic integrity. 607 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800 I shouldn't say journalistic integrity. 608 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Her style. 609 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,800 Her style. 610 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,120 This is the beginning of the end, isn't it? 611 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,960 Yeah, and I should just say that we're very slowly cutting away at Linda Moulton-Hau. 612 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,560 I think she even lost her hyphen. 613 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,560 It's been a lie. 614 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,560 I don't know how now. 615 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,840 There's been allusions to it. 616 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,480 I just haven't wanted to pay attention to because I like her, but she's slowly becoming 617 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,480 shitty. 618 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480 This comes from a website by the name of Jason Calavito. 619 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,920 Jason, C-O-L-A-V-I-T-O.com. 620 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,400 I thought he did a really good critical analysis of some of the information, so I'm going to 621 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,920 paraphrase some of the stuff that he looked at in this, and we'll just talk about it. 622 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,960 So you retired U.S. Army counterintelligence agent Doug Muchler. 623 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,600 says that when China exploded its largest underground nuclear test on May 22, 1992, 624 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:59,280 geologists and seismologists used the event to study the Earth's crust and discover a large pyramid-shaped structure underground in western Alaska between Mount McKinley and Nome on Norton Sound. 625 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:09,120 Allegedly, Anchorage Channel 13 broadcasts one news story in the fall of 1992 about the China nuclear test and subsequent pyramid discovery and the Army agent says he learned the news report was ordered to be raised. 626 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:26,360 Anchorage Channel 13 is an ABC affiliate KYURTV, but Moulton Howe, a former television journalist, apparently did not bother to take even the rudimentary step of contacting the TV station or examining transcripts from independent transcription agencies to confirm anything about the story, 627 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:34,040 but she doesn't have to because Muchsler asserts that the story was erased and therefore its absence becomes proof of its former's presence. 628 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:43,000 Muchsler claims to have joined the military in 1981, served as a chief warrant officer in the military intelligence, and left the military in 1995 due to physical disability. 629 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,080 Moulton Howe requested his discharge papers and posted them online confirming that he did serve in counterintelligence in Southwest Asia. 630 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,600 However, Muchsler waited 20 years to reveal the pyramid. 631 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,640 Actually, she doesn't say this at all. She shared the original email Muchsler sent to her. 632 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:07,720 So, this is the email she sent from Douglas A. Muchsler to Linda Moulton Howe, Pyramid Under Alaska, question mark, dated June 22nd 2012, to earthfiles at earthfiles.com. 633 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,320 Hello, my name is Doug Muchsler, CW2, USA, retired. 634 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,560 And during my service to her in Alaska, I was informed of a pyramid under the land in Alaska. 635 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,040 There is other information concerning this that came to my attention after it was reported to us in 1992. 636 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,600 I have tried to pass this info on to others, but have not heard any response to my information. 637 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:32,840 I assure you, I am telling you the truth about this, and I think this is being kept quiet by our government as the news was buried the very next day after it was brought to my attention. 638 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,080 If you can help me get this info out to you, please call me so I can talk to you about this. 639 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:43,080 My phone number is redacted. The whole story is pretty interesting, and this can be verified with your contacts. 640 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,520 I am assured of that, as I do not have them and came up with zero from the news people there. 641 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,360 I'll tell you the whole story if you are interested. 642 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,440 I've only contacted a couple of people, but have not heard back from any of them. 643 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,800 I'm wondering if my emails are getting through to them, or if this is an old story that has no interest to news reporters. 644 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680 Thank you very much for your time on this matter, sign Douglas A. Muchler. 645 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,240 It's interesting that the initial email made no mention of the Chinese detonation, or a TV news story, 646 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:15,480 and in fact Muchler implies, though with an ambiguous past construction, that the army tried to suppress the information from the soldiers, not from the media. 647 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,120 But this isn't what he said when asking ask.com for help finding the news footage, 648 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:26,280 where he attributes the story entirely to his memory of a news story about the Chinese detonation from November of 92. 649 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,080 I'm not able to determine which version came first. 650 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,480 Ghost theories Harry Peterson tried to get to the bottom of the story in August of 2012, 651 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:39,160 though he was operating on the assumption that Molten Howe and Muchler were accurate in their claims. 652 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:45,400 He contacted the US Geologic Survey in Anchorage and asked about the 1992 Crustle Survey Molten Howe mentions, 653 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480 and he learned that there was no Earth Crust Survey going on that year. 654 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Directly contradicting Molten Howe's version of events. 655 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,560 Nevertheless, he decided to side with Molten Howe because he believed Muchler to be incapable of telling a lie, 656 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,440 or even being wrong since he was military intelligence. 657 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:07,240 Leaving aside the fact that memory is notoriously inaccurate and inexact, why would believers trust a member of the same organization? 658 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,400 They had just accused of a global conspiracy to suppress archaeological evidence. 659 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:18,360 Did they not just admit that they believe them to be proficient and capable liars capable of creating believable cover stories? 660 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,920 Molten Howe discovered that the phone number Muchler gave her did not work when she tried to follow up with him, 661 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,040 and when he finally called her back he asserted that the government was manipulating the phones to prevent him from calling her. 662 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,880 Satisfied with this conspiracy, the two then recorded an interview. 663 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,520 So there's a lot of holes that she really needed to cover in that story that she didn't. 664 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,840 And maybe it's for reasons. 665 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,240 Yeah, it's more entertaining this way. That's for sure. 666 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,720 Yeah, yeah. She knows her audience. 667 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,520 I did want to just finish off with this last little bit, Chelsea. 668 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:56,200 In doing my research into the Alaskan pyramid, it was brought to my attention that pyramid audio and video in Anchorage, Alaska has permanently closed. 669 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,600 I do feel sorry for the people of Anchorage, Alaska. I think you've truly lost something there. 670 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,080 But hey, maybe we can entertain you throughout. 671 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,960 Google's such a great search engine now, isn't it? 672 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,960 Yes. 673 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,960 So yeah, that's the pyramid in Alaska. There's not even, no one's even seen it, per se. 674 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520 Or at least there's nothing geologically to look at. 675 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,440 There are arguments that you can find threads online of people alleging to have found 676 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,320 overgrown military encampments in this area. 677 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,280 But that in itself does not provide proof that there's a pyramid in the area. 678 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,720 And if there is one, I should make note as well because I don't think it really came up. 679 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,520 It's underground. Like you won't see it from the sky. 680 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,240 Right. Yeah, that was one thing about it, wasn't it? 681 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:40,840 Yeah. The guy's dad talked about going down in the elevator and he said it took like really long to get down there. 682 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,400 Right. Yes. Yeah, that one's memorable. 683 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,600 I like that story. 684 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,840 And yeah, those are some of the powers of the pyramid. 685 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,000 They do in fact, I think, meet the standard for a pyramid scheme, in fact. 686 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,560 Yes, I think it does, actually. 687 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,840 And yeah, there are definitely other pyramids we could look at in the future. 688 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,000 I just wanted to focus on these two this time. 689 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,720 Another one that's open for their episodes. 690 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:07,880 And also, I don't think there's enough to go off of for that Bosnian archaeologist who is not an archaeologist in any way. 691 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,280 But some of the people associated with him, I think we could. 692 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,920 Yeah, there are two pyramids that are really similar but vastly different. 693 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,640 Yeah, there's a lot of hype around these two, that's for sure. 694 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,400 Similar in the fact that they're pyramids and nothing else. 695 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,040 And with that, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea. 696 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,160 We are Journey to the Fringe. 697 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,000 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 698 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,140 Bye. 699 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,600 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 700 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:38,680 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 701 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,720 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 702 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:47,960 Also, please, if possible, leave a five-star review, as that really helps us in the algorithms. 703 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,920 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 704 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,440 I bet you we are there. 705 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,760 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes, 706 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:05,960 or tell us that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email at journeytothefringe.com. 707 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,960 For now, I'll see you in the next episode.