From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where everything great is pyramid-based, whether
it be a scheme or the basis of an episode.
We are your foreshading hosts, Taylor and Chelsea.
Here today, and Chelsea, I really want to make a point of explicitly telling you, I just
created a word here.
Foreshading.
I don't think I was foreshadowing because very clearly people know what this episode's
about.
It's in this episode's title, but I did give a little hint just before telling you here
that it is in fact about pyramids.
So I'm calling that foreshading.
It's not quite a full shadow, it's a little bit of shade.
It's a combination of the title because you're just clearly just going to say this episode's
about pyramids.
Yeah.
And the title, in combination that makes it foreshading.
Yeah.
And it's that whole thing of we're pretending like the people listening don't know what
the episode's about before we tell them at the beginning of the episode, but they do.
And it's a little game we play with you people.
It is.
I quite like it sometimes.
I'm not sure about them sometimes, to be honest, what they do and what they don't know.
Anyhow, it's foreshading when we do that.
I think it's a good word for it.
Yeah.
I would agree on that at least.
And Chelsea, here today, we've talked about triangles before, but I don't think we've
expressly like fully committed to the three-dimensional triangle that is the pyramid and doing episodes
on those.
Now, pyramids themselves are a great thing known very well in normalcy.
We're not going to be talking about the great pyramids or anything around those ones.
They're too mainstream at this point.
There are some fringe topics around those, but that's not what we're doing.
Okay.
No, what we're doing is looking at some little known pyramids around the world.
And it's a fun thing, Chelsea, when you look at it, that we all the time are discovering
new pyramids.
And we really are with the advancement of satellite technology and LiDAR.
I believe we've in fact covered a fringy mini on using LiDAR to discover pyramids in the
middle of the Amazon rainforest.
I think we have.
Yeah.
Because LiDAR, it sounds like something I would have only heard here.
Did some familiar.
And we're not lying about it.
It is a real thing, but we're also not talking about those ones either.
Those ones seem pretty legit.
And in any event, there's still more to learn about them.
And we're going to leave that there.
You know, Chelsea, today we're going to talk about some potential pyramids that are out
there that people believe they have either seen they're looking for or are in plain sight,
but people don't believe them when they say they're a pyramid.
So Chelsea, let me take you on this journey.
It was great by that last one.
Yeah.
And you're going to learn a lot about that one right off the bat.
Oh, good.
That one was my favorite so far.
Of little known pyramids or pyramids that could be the potential of the pyramids, if you will.
Now I'm going to start this episode off.
We're going to go to former Yugoslavia into Bosnia, where we're going to look at the Bosnian
pyramid.
Have you heard of this before?
No.
I want you to Google it right now.
You'll see a picture of it and just tell me what you see.
That's great because I was already doing it.
A pyramid covered in grass would be a magic gem.
It's got a pretty good shape to it.
That's the weird thing.
Mountains are inherently pyramid shaped for the most part.
Yeah, but mountains are more like irregular because it's nature.
Mountains are not generally geometrical like this clearly is.
Yeah.
And Chelsea, this is in a little town called Vizoco, northwest of Sarajevo in Bosnia.
It's a small town sitting at the foot of what is called the Valley of the Pyramids now in
Bosnia.
It's called a rip-off though.
This town was the capital of Bosnia during the Middle Ages and ruins of medieval fortresses
are located all over the hills here.
The hills and or pyramids are generally considered by modern science to be a type of hill known
as flat irons.
Now, they kind of litter that whole area.
The foothills are the flat irons that are all throughout this part.
But in October of 2005, a man by the name of Sam Osmanigic or Samir Osmanigic, I'm
not actually quite sure which one's right because in his own biography, he put Sam and
then also known as Samir.
So I don't know which one's his real name.
He comes with his supporters and he sees these and he says, oh yeah, these are definitely
pyramids.
Surprisingly, this is the first time anybody's ever done this.
I mean, if you've never seen a pyramid before and you just always saw it there, you think
no one's ever been there.
They've seen the pyramids or a pyramid.
This was 2005.
I don't know.
I'm just speculating.
Okay.
Sam comes along and he sees these hills and he says that they're part of an ancient pyramid
complex.
In his interview with Philip Coppens in Nexus sometime in April or May of 2006, Sam suggested
that they were most likely constructed by the Illyrians who, according to Sam, lived
in the area from 12,000 BC to 500 BC.
He has since argued that Visasica is an example of cultures building on top of other cultures.
And in 2017, Osmanigic actually claims that the structures date back as far as 34,000
years.
And also, during this time, happens to discover tunnels in and around these pyramid structures.
He has named them the Ravni Tunnels and says that they're an ancient man-made underground
network.
He claims they are 2.4 miles long or 3.8 kilometers.
And in these tunnels, he claims that he has found fossilized leaves that he has had carbon
dated back to 34,000 years ago.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Long time.
And Bosnia has also given these hills his own name as he's been kind of looking at them
and digging them up.
He calls two of the hills the Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of the Moon, not to be
confused with the ones in Mexico that are called the Pyramids of the Sun and the Moon.
And he has named other ones the Pyramids of Love, the Earth, and the Dragon.
He has just found in pyramids all throughout this valley in Bosnia.
Interesting.
And in fact, Bosnia has fully embraced this with local authorities funding his excavations
in the area and authorizing visits to the pyramids by school children with guides telling
them the hills are part of Bosnian heritage.
And since Osmantogic started this endeavor, the site has become a tourist destination.
Where's Sam from?
We are going to read his entire biography, so we will get to that.
He was born in Yugoslavia, which ends up being fragmented into Bosnia, Herzegovina,
and then in just Bosnia.
He is at least a part of that Balkan state area.
It's not like he's coming in as like a Westerner in saying this.
It's so weird though that like there's no like mention of it before he comes along and
is like, yeah, it's totally already.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
According to Osmantogic, the dig in 2006 when he started excavating was involved in international
team of archaeologists from Australia, Austria, Ireland, UK, and Slovenia.
However, many of these archaeologists whom he named have clearly stated on the record
that they did not agree to participate and were never at the site.
Osmantogic also claimed the support of a quote Oxford archaeologist, unquote, who was found
to be an unqualified undergraduate.
His foundation's website also claims support of a British member of parliament and the
name was not that of any sitting member at the time.
Which also claims that the direction of the hills reveal alignments to support ancient
human cosmology.
According to Enver Buzza, a surveyor at the Sarajevo Geodetic Institute, the quote pyramid
of the sun and quote is perfectly oriented to the north.
Osmantogic has said that the sides of the pyramids are oriented towards the cardinal
points and has claimed that this could not be produced by natural processes.
Osmantogic's claims have also centered on alleged evidence concerning satellite photography,
thermal analysis and radar detection.
An article by Ian Trainor for The Guardian in 2006 reported that Osmantogic and his team
alleged that their results from such research showed that the hills were not natural formations
that tunnels may exist inside the hills, which he has since found.
According to Osmantogic, his excavations have produced evidence of blocks that he claims
may be part of a man-made outer surface.
Osmantogic's claims that these blocks are made of a concrete port on site that was stronger
than any of today's versions.
So he has a lot of things that are just absolutely bonkers about this place compared to anything
that we've really seen from that time.
Yeah, look in that way.
And especially that this dates anywhere from like 12,000 to 34,000 years ago in his mind.
Yeah, that's a long time.
Here's a bit of an attraction even though we've done a bit of that for him already.
Osmantogic's claims have been repeatedly condemned by qualified scientists and archaeologists.
Seven leading European archaeologists issued a European Association of Archaeologists Declaration
stating,
We, the undersigned professional archaeologists from all parts of Europe, wish to protest
strongly at the continuing support by the Bosnian authorities for the so-called pyramid
project being conducted on hills at and near Vizoko.
This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine
science.
It is a waste of scarce resources that would be much better used in protecting the genuine,
archaeological heritage, and is diverting attention from the pressing problems that are
affecting professional archaeologists in Bosnia, Herzegovina on a daily basis.
This declaration was signed by some pretty prominent archaeologists of Europe, including
Hermann Pahrsinger, present at the German Archaeological Institute in Berlin, Willem
Willems,
Inspector General of the Ritian Specti Archaeology in the Hague, and Jean-Paul de Mol, president
of the Institute Nationale des Research Archaeologiques, prevent the archaeologists in France.
Osmanigic's assertions have been categorically refuted by a number of experts who have accused
him of promoting pseudoscientific notions and damaging valuable archaeological sites with
his excavations.
Amar Karapas, a curator of the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Sarajevo, has
said,
When I first read about the pyramids, I thought it was a very funny joke.
I just couldn't believe that anyone in the world could believe this.
Garrett Fagan of Penn State University has quoted this saying,
They should not be allowed to destroy genuine sites in the pursuit of these delusions.
It is as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers
of lost ancient wisdom underneath.
Anver Emma Movic of the University of Sarajevo, a former director of the National Museum of
Sarajevo, was concerned that the excavations will damage historical sites such as the medieval
royal capital, Vesokie, said the excavations would irreversibly destroy a national treasure.
And in excavations in the summer of 2008, bioarchaeologists who are not related to Osmanigic's
foundation uncovered medieval artifacts which led to renewed calls for the government to
cancel Osmanigic's digging permits.
A former employee, Nadia Nukic, told a Bosnian newspaper that carvings on stones at Osmanigic's
characterizes as dating from ancient times were not present when the stones were first
uncovered.
They were later ascribed by Osmanigic's team.
Osmanigic has denied these statements, however.
What?
And it should be noted here, Dr. Bryant Stewart, assistant curator at the Museum of Anthropological
Archaeology at the University of Michigan, stated,
There were very worrying reports that he and his team have essentially sculpted the sides
of these natural hills into something they think resembles pyramids, in the process stripping
away sediment which contains layers of actual archaeology from medieval and earlier periods.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
But with Osmanigic's work in this area, tourism is bustling.
They have claimed to have attracted 200,000 tourists in the first year of his operations
at the site.
In 2006, he was seeking funding from investors in Malaysia, the construction archaeological
park.
Osmanigic also intended to establish parks around other landmarks which he claims as
ancient monuments and scientists say are natural features.
Attendance has declined somewhat as the Bosnian hills since these early years, but souvenir
sellers say they still depend on the steady business.
Osmanigic has added events claimed to enhance the spiritual atmosphere at the site.
For instance, meditation sessions are held in the so-called Ravna Tunnels, which he claimed
to have discovered.
And in 2016, Osmanigic claimed that 5,000 people had visited the archaeological park
since it opened in June of that year.
In 2016, Osmanigic's foundation opened Ravna Tunne park.
The park is visited by tens of thousands of tourists on a yearly basis, but also by a
large number of locals and visitors from the surrounding area.
It is supported by the Visoco Municipal Government and the Zeneca Doboj Canton.
The Visoco Municipal Council declared it as a park of significance.
Which is kind of just crazy that that's happened.
But Chelsea, I bet you're wondering at this point, who the hell is Sam Osmanigic?
Yeah, no, I've been wondering about that.
I'm going to read to you his biography from his website.
Oh, you got to love it when it comes directly from there, from them.
Dr. Sam Osmanigic, born June 1, 1960, aka Samir Osmanigic.
Again, I have no idea which one's the right one, because Samir sounds like his actual
name, but that's the also known as.
I think it has to be Samir, and then he goes by Sam, I think.
Yeah.
That's just my speculation, though.
Yeah.
So he's a Bosnian-American scientist, megalithic, and pyramid sites researcher, internationally
acclaimed speaker, and author of 18 books on ancient civilizations and businessmen.
And sorry, it's not not ancient civilization and businessmen.
He's also a businessman.
I just wanted to make.
Okay.
I thought he was writing books on businessmen.
Sam wrote and narrated the 12 episode documentary, Search for Lost Civilization for the state
television of Bosnia and Herzegovina in 2007, and is the founder of the archaeological park
Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation.
He is best known for discovering an ancient pyramid complex in Visoco, Bosnia, Herzegovina,
which many scientists claim are the largest and oldest manmade structures in the world.
Since 2005, he has served as a project's principal investigator.
And I really want to stress, and he put these words in here, just rereading this, he's best
known for discovering an ancient pyramid complex, which many scientists claim are the largest
and oldest manmade structures in the world.
That is not the consensus at all.
His early life, Osmaniagic is the second son of Tonka Osmaniagic and professor Dr.
Muri Osmaniagic.
The first mining PhD in Yugoslavia and a renowned scientist was born in Zeneca, Bosnia, Herzegovina,
former Yugoslavia on June 1, 1960.
He studied in Sarajevo, where he graduated from both elementary and high school as the
top student in his division.
And I find it really weird if this might be a cultural thing where it's really important
like the birth order.
Yeah, it comes up a lot.
Osmaniagic has a PhD in mine pyramids from the University of Sarajevo in Bosnia, Herzegovina,
2002 to 2007.
Prior to that, he graduated from the University of Sarajevo with a master's of science in
international economics, a bachelor of science in political sciences, a bachelor of science
in economics, and two years of sociology training.
He operated an import-export business for seven years.
After earning his degree from the University of Sarajevo, he moved to the United States
in 1992.
Just as the Bosnian War began, he settled in Houston, Texas and worked as a marketing
assistant for a business that made components for oil and gas wells.
He received a promotion to manager and became a minority owner of the company in 1995, owning
5% of it.
I'm sorry, I giggled because on Seinfeld, Elaine and George are making up a lie about
a boyfriend she doesn't have who's an importer or exporter.
Yeah, it's perfect cover, isn't it?
Doesn't sound made up at all.
Yeah.
I want to stress, outside of his PhD in my in pyramids, he has bachelor of science degrees.
We're going to talk about that once we get to that part, Chelsea.
Outside of that part, he has a bachelor of science degree.
It's in economics, international economics, political science, and economics.
Those are his three degrees before the my in pyramid stuff.
And I should make a note that his my in pyramid PhD is at Sarajevo from 2002 to 2007.
He discovered the pyramid in 2005.
He did not have any training in any way for the pyramid stuff at that time.
Is it like an honorary PhD?
We'll get to that at some point.
Don't worry.
Okay.
And anyhow, his scientific career, he is known worldwide as an expert on pyramids and
has researched the sites of pyramid.
I'm sorry.
I just love how this paragraph, I love how this paragraph rolls out and ends.
It's just great.
I had the restart.
He is known worldwide as an expert on pyramids and has researched the sites of pyramidal
constructions in various countries, including China, Mauritius, the Canary Islands, Egypt,
Peru, El Salvador, Guatemala, Bolivia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Italy, Spain, Greece, Australia,
USA, Honduras, and Mexico, and has traveled to more than 100 countries.
He's decorated.
I don't know how that lasts though.
Half those countries don't have pyramids.
And then he just adds in at the end, he's been to over 100 countries and that helps
him be an expert in pyramids.
Might be.
That's great.
He is an anthropology professor at the American University in Bosnia, Herzegovina, the Center's
director, 2011 to 12, and a foreign member of Moscow's renowned Russian Academy of Sciences,
which counts many Nobel Prize winners among its members.
He's introduced as an honorary member of Croatian Academy of Sciences and Art in Diaspora and
Bosnian Academy of Science and Art, Kulin Ban.
He is also a fellow member of the Archaeological Society of Alexandria.
Osmanagic received an invitation to Visokicca's fortress ruin in April of 2005.
Osmanagic observed Visokicca's hills, pyramidal shape while he was there.
Later he published a book supporting the idea that the hill was the wreckage of a long ago
pyramid that was built by intelligent hands.
He asserted that this pyramid was one of six enormous stone constructions that were pyramid
shaped and had a vast network of prehistoric tunnels.
He gave these constructions the name Bosnian Pyramids and founded the archaeological park
Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation as a charitable organization to support the marketing
and research of the site.
With over 650,000 working hours logged between 2005 and 2023, the project has emerged as
the world's most important and most active archaeological site.
He and his team have so far found 11 artificial structures including the Bosnian Pyramid of
the Sun, the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon, Pyramid of the Love, Pyramid of the Dragon,
Temple of Mother Earth, the Sixth Pyramid, the Veratnika, Delovi, Anginia Timuli, the
KTK tunnels, and the underground Labyrinth Ravna, which consists of six undiscovered
entrances to the tunnel.
Before that he spent 25 years studying pyramids around the world, visiting exploring most
of them.
These include the Chinese pyramids in the central province of Shanxi, the Co-Kur pyramids in
Cambodia, the pyramids of Indonesia, Australia, Sudan, Egypt, the Canary Islands, Marushas,
Peru, Bolivia, and the USA and Spain are in there.
Finally, Bosnia, where most of them are completely covered in vegetation.
We're going to make a big note of this part.
The business ventures between 1986 and 1989, Dr. Sam served as an associate at the Institute
for Strategic Development at UNIS, United Metal Industries of Sarajevo.
He founded his company Meteorite, Inc., for construction and international trade.
He held the position of general manager of Houston protectors, Inc.
When he went to the US, Osmanagic established the manufacturing firm Met Company, Inc., in
Houston in 1995 and served as the company's owner and CEO until 2022 when he sold it.
He has resided in Zanica, Bosnia from 1960 to 69, Sarajevo from 1969 to 92, Houston in
92 to 2011, Sarajevo from 2011 to 2021, and Vesoko from 2021 to present.
That's where the pyramid is, right?
Yeah.
He has way too much personal detail here.
Asmanyagic has had two marriages, Oxana Garusey, his ex-wife, was born in 1968 and resides
in Houston, Texas.
What kind of doc singer there?
Well, here's your phone number, 416666666666.
Dario, his son, is a Houston-based electrical engineer and programmer born in 1989.
Sabina Asmanyagic, his current spouse, is a journalist who works as the general manager
of Bosnian Pyramids, Inc., and she was born in 77.
In 2021, Sam and Sabina relocated to Vesoko from Sarajevo.
This has drawn some really weird attention.
It has a ton of tourists, but anybody who's kind of new agey and has some money has kind
of gone to see this thing.
The one person who's really attached to it is Novak Djokovic, the tennis player.
He's been to it multiple times.
Oh, I saw him on a news article.
I was reading something through this and I just need to include it while we're doing
this.
Yeah, please.
Where is it?
The Pyramids received their biggest boost yet when one of the greatest tennis players
of all time, Novak Djokovic, started visiting the site and meditating inside the tunnel complex
near the Pyramids.
Positive energy is very important to Djokovic and something he directs to many areas of
his life.
Indeed, in his roller coaster of a book, Served to Win, the 14-day gluten-free plan for physical
and mental excellence, he shares these many beliefs with his readers, including the fact
that he believes that conversation is very influential on food we eat.
Accordingly, to Djokovic, any negative conversation about broccoli, for example, might result
in it being stripped of its nutrients as well as its taste.
As a result, Djokovic won't allow any negative energy to get near his dinner table.
This means a ban on texting and emailing and watching television.
In his book, he explains, I believe that if you are eating with some kind of fear or
worry or anger, the taste of the food and the energy you get from it won't be as powerful.
What you give is what you get.
Although positive chat is allowed, there isn't much of that either as Djokovic basically
spends much of the meal involved in mental dialogue with his food.
After each bite, he places the fork back down on the table and becomes entirely focused
on the chewing.
He wants to instruct the food where it needs to go so it can help in the healing of any
wounds he may have acquired during recent tennis matches.
Quote, as I chew, the process of digestion is already starting.
The enzymes in my saliva mix with the food so that when it hits my stomach, it's a
fully formed piece of quote information.
I'm quote, I'm quote.
But yeah, he's got some fun beliefs in there.
He also, this is game right out of left field when I was reading this, every July in Visoco,
Bosnia Herzegovina, Dr. Sam Osmanogic conducts an event called NBA Stars for the Children
in Foster Care.
Moreover, he supports regional sporting and cultural events.
He wrote that in his own biography.
I don't know what that means, but the NBA is involved in it.
What's his native language?
What does he prefer to communicate with him?
He lived in Houston for like 10 years.
It has to be English, or at least he has to have passable English.
I was gonna say, like, is he writing this with no prior knowledge of English?
I don't know.
It's hard to say.
And it should be noted, he really touted the fact that he was part of the Russian Academy
of Natural Sciences.
It's under heavy criticism for promoting pseudoscientific theories and a large number of the purported
academies.
Members also have no formal education in natural sciences.
Case in point, this guy.
So there's that.
And you know how I said that they've tested leaves they found in the tunnel?
That they're 34,000 years old?
Yeah, you told me they're wrong.
I looked this up.
They've been tested by one person, abandoned by the name of Paul LaVeolette.
His name has come up.
I don't know if it's on this show or not before, but if you've watched Ancient Aliens
in that whole group, he's involved in that.
I looked it up and the best I could find is he does have a PhD, but he's known for writing
the books Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, Subquantum Kinetics, Earth Under Fire, Genesis
of the Cosmos, Decoding the Message of the Pulsars, Galactic Superways and their Impact
on Earth.
And he's the only person who's ever done that and it's only been studied at a lab
in Kiev, Ukraine.
So that's like nobody else has gotten a look at them.
Oh, that sounds super rare.
Yeah.
And of course, Chelsea, because this is a real place you can go and visit, that means
I could go on Google and there are reviews of this place out there.
And of course, that means there are one star reviews.
So we're going to start with Chris Muller, who was there a month ago.
He has given 13 reviews before and he gave it a one star review.
Biggest scam I ever fell for, it's literally a hill.
They call it Pyramid of the Sun and surrounding hills pyramids of the Boon and of love or
whatever.
But they're all just hills, nothing else.
The woman then explained that the stones of the pyramids were not carried by slaves
but by cosmic force created by scientists.
I literally do not understand how the government actually just watches people get ripped off.
Oh well.
With all these fake reviews, the scam might live on forever.
Fake reviews?
Rob Parkhouse has one as well, a one star review.
This is three weeks ago.
He has 61 reviews, so I don't think he's a bot.
A total scam, not a pyramid, just a hill.
If you do go, then don't go via front entrance where you need to pay.
Go around the back and walk up for free.
Nice views from the top though.
So that's a good little piece of advice.
It was one star though, wasn't it?
It was one star.
So if you do want to go see it, at least go for free.
Go the back way.
Okay, yeah, go the back way.
And then Dennis RB, I think, has my favorite review here.
He's given 50 reviews again of one star.
A place that attracts naive people who think this place got power or high energy.
This is nothing new under the sun, where people are worshiping creation instead of the creator.
Brackets Jesus Christ and Bracket.
I love a good Bracket Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I just love that people are falling for this scam when they should be worshiping
Jesus.
But it's just, I don't know.
It's perfect.
Just perfect.
Just kiss.
Anyhow, that's the Bosnian pyramid, Chelsea.
I think it was a lot of fun.
Yeah, I quite enjoyed that.
I don't know if it'll go based on those reviews.
I'd rather worship Jesus Christ.
We should just be worshiping Jesus Christ.
What are we doing?
Exactly.
Now, Chelsea, we're going to go from this thing that is in the ground that you can at
least claim as a pyramid, and we're going to go north.
And then we're going to go, I don't know which direction, but towards Alaska, because you
can go either way.
I think we're kind of basically on the other side of the planet from it.
To go east or west, yeah.
Yeah.
We're going to go to Alaska, and we are going to look at the Alaskan Black Pyramid, Chelsea.
Oh, yeah.
I think you're going to learn some stuff here.
So I didn't know this.
Nobody talks about this prior to July 26, 2012.
Did you know that?
No, really?
That's the first time it came up in the public.
Like it's said to exist far before that, but the first time anybody talked about it was
in 2012.
Actually, a fairly fortuitous is the wrong word for it, but I'm going to use it anyways
with the dawn of 2012 coming in December of that year, or I guess the dusk of 2012 happening
in December of that year, talking about the discovery of a pyramid in Alaska.
The existence was not confirmed until July 26, 2012 when veteran journalists and UFO
specialist Linda Moulton-Howell reported its discovery on Coast to Coast AM's radio
show despite claims of its ancient origins.
I didn't realize that was the origin of it.
Yeah.
I remember her talking about it a lot.
Yeah, she talks about it a ton.
At that time, she was talking about the Alaska Triangle in that zone where ships, planes,
and people have disappeared.
She estimated during that time that 18,000 individuals had gone missing in that area
since 1988.
On the evening of that day, Linda Moulton-Howell aired a pre-recorded conversation with Doug
Muchsler.
I don't know how to say this name, M-U-T-S-C-H-L-E-R, Muchsler, I think.
Yeah, it was cool with them.
A retired US Army counterintelligence agent who described the events leading to the uncovering
of the pyramid and revealed the connection between the location and the US military.
Doug Muchsler stated this, on May 22, of 1992, China carried out an underground nuclear test
in Launpour, detonating a one-megaton device under the desert of northwest China, and was
at first thought to be a major earthquake when detected by some seismologists.
According to Muchsler, geologists had used the detonation to undertake a seismographic
study of the Earth's crust only to find a pyramid structure underground, somewhere
west of Mount McKinley.
Muchsler recalls that the local NBC affiliate ran a story announcing the structure's discovery
about six months after the detonation, but when Muchsler attempted to follow up with
the station to get a copy of the story, evidently not as part of his duties at Fort Richardson
where he was stationed, they denied that the story had ever run and asserted that they
certainly didn't have a copy to provide.
Muchsler then called relatives to track down copies of the story that had run on other
stations, but apparently none had.
The discovery only appeared on Anchorage Channel 13.
Muchsler was later transferred from Alaska to Fort Meade, it's the home of the NSA,
where he went to a classified archive, seemingly searching it out to confirm the pyramid story
that he had found.
This is from him, I thought maybe they'd have something about this pyramid, so I went
to what I guess would be a librarian, and I asked him if he had anything on archaeological
sites, I didn't say pyramid, but I said archaeological sites or underground facilities in Alaska.
He said, well, if we do, I think it might be in container X, Y, or Z.
So I went over there and I was just looking around and I didn't really find anything
saying pyramid, but I grabbed a couple of Alaska, like from two different safes, when
I just sat down these two guys came, you know how you can feel when someone is standing
behind you and there's these two goons, and they go, hey, you don't have a need to know
for that information.
And the other guy, somehow in that conversation he goes, they don't want us messing with
them up there anymore.
They don't want you messing with them up there, they don't want us or anybody messing
with them.
So, the morning after Moulton House interview with Muchler, however, things got really weird,
and inspired by Muchler's dogged research, the adopted son of a retired Western electrical
engineer reached out to Moulton House to confirm the basics of Muchler's claim, and
to add several new wrinkles, Moulton House news source claimed that his father had worked
on a powerful electrical system emanating from a very large underground pyramid of unknown
origin in Alaska between 1959 and 1961.
And I should just add at this point, Linda Moulton House still has these interviews up
on Earth Files, her YouTube channel, so if you do want to go listen to the originals,
you can.
I am paraphrasing everything as much as possible because they're each at least like an hour
and a half long.
Oh yeah, probably much longer.
And she always has an intro in there as well where she's talking about her cats.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, like, they're always there.
They look like they're not even alive.
Sometimes, they were very active in this one.
Okay.
Although I am certain at some point in Earth Files they either have been or will be stuffed
and just laying there and we won't know.
You won't be able to tell the difference.
This is what the second guy says.
After the war, he earned a degree in electrical engineering and physics.
After finishing college, my father was re-recruited by the military enjoying a group of other
experts to study and work in an underground structure in Alaska.
Then in his words, they called it the dark pyramid.
He spoke numerous times of how seriously the government took his project and the steps
they took to keep it a secret.
And Brackets, I always assumed it was a military installation in Brackets.
He said it was a study of energy distribution.
He went on to be the key leader of the quote, information bubble, unquote, for AT&T, which
of course was a precursor to the web and cell phone technology we all know today.
In his later years, he would always complain when receiving his electric bill that it
would be free if we knew the truth.
Now, I'm starting to think he knew a lot more than we ever gave him credit for.
I am in the process of going through his old papers and studies to see if there's any
reference to this time in Alaska.
And there may be no information since, as he said it, was confidential.
If this a pyramid allegedly found in 1992 is true, our government may have known about
it far earlier than that and had taken extensive measures to keep it hidden.
Those are the first two people that come forward and I think that's actually all that come
forward.
The stories do go a lot more in depth than I did if you go listen to them, but that's
the gist of where the pyramid in Alaska comes from.
I totally remember that story, that episode, or whatever you want to call it, interview,
maybe?
That doesn't go any further than that?
They go into detail, but I don't think there's any more people that come forward for it.
Or at least I didn't have the time to find if there were any more.
I looked into these two.
Okay, okay, fair enough.
Unfortunately, we get into now holes in Linda Moulton-Hau's journalistic integrity.
I shouldn't say journalistic integrity.
Her style.
This is the beginning of the end, isn't it?
Yeah, and I should just say that we're very slowly cutting away at Linda Moulton-Hau.
I think she even lost her hyphen.
It's been a lie.
I don't know how now.
There's been allusions to it.
I just haven't wanted to pay attention to because I like her, but she's slowly becoming
shitty.
This comes from a website by the name of Jason Calavito.
Jason, C-O-L-A-V-I-T-O.com.
I thought he did a really good critical analysis of some of the information, so I'm going to
paraphrase some of the stuff that he looked at in this, and we'll just talk about it.
So you retired U.S. Army counterintelligence agent Doug Muchler.
says that when China exploded its largest underground nuclear test on May 22, 1992,
geologists and seismologists used the event to study the Earth's crust and discover a large pyramid-shaped structure underground in western Alaska between Mount McKinley and Nome on Norton Sound.
Allegedly, Anchorage Channel 13 broadcasts one news story in the fall of 1992 about the China nuclear test and subsequent pyramid discovery and the Army agent says he learned the news report was ordered to be raised.
Anchorage Channel 13 is an ABC affiliate KYURTV, but Moulton Howe, a former television journalist, apparently did not bother to take even the rudimentary step of contacting the TV station or examining transcripts from independent transcription agencies to confirm anything about the story,
but she doesn't have to because Muchsler asserts that the story was erased and therefore its absence becomes proof of its former's presence.
Muchsler claims to have joined the military in 1981, served as a chief warrant officer in the military intelligence, and left the military in 1995 due to physical disability.
Moulton Howe requested his discharge papers and posted them online confirming that he did serve in counterintelligence in Southwest Asia.
However, Muchsler waited 20 years to reveal the pyramid.
Actually, she doesn't say this at all. She shared the original email Muchsler sent to her.
So, this is the email she sent from Douglas A. Muchsler to Linda Moulton Howe, Pyramid Under Alaska, question mark, dated June 22nd 2012, to earthfiles at earthfiles.com.
Hello, my name is Doug Muchsler, CW2, USA, retired.
And during my service to her in Alaska, I was informed of a pyramid under the land in Alaska.
There is other information concerning this that came to my attention after it was reported to us in 1992.
I have tried to pass this info on to others, but have not heard any response to my information.
I assure you, I am telling you the truth about this, and I think this is being kept quiet by our government as the news was buried the very next day after it was brought to my attention.
If you can help me get this info out to you, please call me so I can talk to you about this.
My phone number is redacted. The whole story is pretty interesting, and this can be verified with your contacts.
I am assured of that, as I do not have them and came up with zero from the news people there.
I'll tell you the whole story if you are interested.
I've only contacted a couple of people, but have not heard back from any of them.
I'm wondering if my emails are getting through to them, or if this is an old story that has no interest to news reporters.
Thank you very much for your time on this matter, sign Douglas A. Muchler.
It's interesting that the initial email made no mention of the Chinese detonation, or a TV news story,
and in fact Muchler implies, though with an ambiguous past construction, that the army tried to suppress the information from the soldiers, not from the media.
But this isn't what he said when asking ask.com for help finding the news footage,
where he attributes the story entirely to his memory of a news story about the Chinese detonation from November of 92.
I'm not able to determine which version came first.
Ghost theories Harry Peterson tried to get to the bottom of the story in August of 2012,
though he was operating on the assumption that Molten Howe and Muchler were accurate in their claims.
He contacted the US Geologic Survey in Anchorage and asked about the 1992 Crustle Survey Molten Howe mentions,
and he learned that there was no Earth Crust Survey going on that year.
Directly contradicting Molten Howe's version of events.
Nevertheless, he decided to side with Molten Howe because he believed Muchler to be incapable of telling a lie,
or even being wrong since he was military intelligence.
Leaving aside the fact that memory is notoriously inaccurate and inexact, why would believers trust a member of the same organization?
They had just accused of a global conspiracy to suppress archaeological evidence.
Did they not just admit that they believe them to be proficient and capable liars capable of creating believable cover stories?
Molten Howe discovered that the phone number Muchler gave her did not work when she tried to follow up with him,
and when he finally called her back he asserted that the government was manipulating the phones to prevent him from calling her.
Satisfied with this conspiracy, the two then recorded an interview.
So there's a lot of holes that she really needed to cover in that story that she didn't.
And maybe it's for reasons.
Yeah, it's more entertaining this way. That's for sure.
Yeah, yeah. She knows her audience.
I did want to just finish off with this last little bit, Chelsea.
In doing my research into the Alaskan pyramid, it was brought to my attention that pyramid audio and video in Anchorage, Alaska has permanently closed.
I do feel sorry for the people of Anchorage, Alaska. I think you've truly lost something there.
But hey, maybe we can entertain you throughout.
Google's such a great search engine now, isn't it?
Yes.
So yeah, that's the pyramid in Alaska. There's not even, no one's even seen it, per se.
Or at least there's nothing geologically to look at.
There are arguments that you can find threads online of people alleging to have found
overgrown military encampments in this area.
But that in itself does not provide proof that there's a pyramid in the area.
And if there is one, I should make note as well because I don't think it really came up.
It's underground. Like you won't see it from the sky.
Right. Yeah, that was one thing about it, wasn't it?
Yeah. The guy's dad talked about going down in the elevator and he said it took like really long to get down there.
Right. Yes. Yeah, that one's memorable.
I like that story.
And yeah, those are some of the powers of the pyramid.
They do in fact, I think, meet the standard for a pyramid scheme, in fact.
Yes, I think it does, actually.
And yeah, there are definitely other pyramids we could look at in the future.
I just wanted to focus on these two this time.
Another one that's open for their episodes.
And also, I don't think there's enough to go off of for that Bosnian archaeologist who is not an archaeologist in any way.
But some of the people associated with him, I think we could.
Yeah, there are two pyramids that are really similar but vastly different.
Yeah, there's a lot of hype around these two, that's for sure.
Similar in the fact that they're pyramids and nothing else.
And with that, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea.
We are Journey to the Fringe.
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