1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,920 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,120 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, both written and executed in the inferior 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,440 English language. 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,320 We are your podcast hosts. 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,000 Doomed to this imperfect structure formed from vacation, Taylor and Chelsea. 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,920 Here today talking about something that Chelsea really wants to tell you guys about, I assume, 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,760 because it's her episode. 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,760 It's okay. 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,760 And also, it's all we know is the inferior language so far. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,480 I mean, every episode would be better in German from how we understand the system to work. 11 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:50,120 Obviously, would be much better in German, but here we are not being able to speak the 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,320 beautiful German language. 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,120 Though, English is a Germanic root or something like that. 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Yeah, yeah. 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 There's the Germanic root and the Latin root. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,960 There's actually a movement from some intellectuals who want to take the Latin out of English. 17 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:06,440 It's kind of a fun little thing. 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,840 It's just me getting... 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,960 Bake it basically German again. 20 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:16,240 My favorite part of this is if you remove the Latin from it, it really impacts professions 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,440 because most of them are the study of something, which is ology. 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:24,720 So geology, if you took out the Latin root, would be stone lore, which is just a great 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,280 title for a job. 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,000 Maybe we should look at doing that because I do like that. 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,880 Anyhow, we don't speak great English anyways. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,640 Maybe it is mostly just German we know. 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Yeah, maybe. 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,480 Anyhow, welcome to this episode, which Taylor has already done a good job at welcoming you 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,480 to. 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,200 Anyhow, this episode is channeled entities. 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Well, Chelsea, didn't we learn that German is the superior language from a channeled 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,160 entity? 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,400 Yeah, we did. 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,680 Actually, we've already covered some channeled entities, but this is actually just going 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,120 to be an episode on channeled entities. 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,160 We're not just going to be getting secondhand information. 37 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,240 It's straight up channeled entities. 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,600 We will not be doing the channeling just so you know. 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,880 Rather, I will be conveying the background info on entities that like to be channeled. 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,800 We may channel on a future episode. 41 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,960 We don't know yet. 42 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Probably not. 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Maybe. 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,960 I mean, we're ready to know. 45 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,560 Like, don't these entities going to have the control here? 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:20,560 Yeah, exactly. 47 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,400 We don't know what we're going to do. 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:30,400 So what I'm talking about when I say a channeled entity is a being which is essentially contacting 49 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,200 a person or the person is contacting, I guess. 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,600 I don't really know that much about channeling, but they're imparting some sort of knowledge 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,720 insight, guidance or something. 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Yeah, and I've always been confused too with this. 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,800 Whether or not they seek out this particular entity and like the ether of wherever it is 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,400 that they deem they go or if they get sought out while they're meditating or something 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,400 like that. 56 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Yeah, I don't know exactly how it works because I'm not a medium, but I'm assuming that they 57 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,760 would be seeking out a conduit in order to convey a message. 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,640 Because I think how it would work. 59 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:09,920 I could be wrong though. 60 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,280 There may be ones that go out and seek something. 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,520 Yeah, and they'd be allegedly find somebody who they can channel. 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:24,360 Yeah, this person that is doing the channeling can be a medium UFO contactees are infamous 63 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,760 channelers, just regular person, I guess. 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,400 And we have covered a few in previous episodes as Taylor said, it's his face. 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Who was that guy? 66 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,400 The German. 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Patala. 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,400 Patala. 69 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,600 Whoever Patala was contacting. 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,680 I can't remember his name right now. 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,200 Edgar Casey was a channeler. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,040 He wasn't channeling entities though, I think he was channeling the Akashic records. 73 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:56,560 Yeah, and I'm fairly certain an entity came up in the Nutshengah Weegee episode. 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 I don't think anybody's channeled anybody through a channel. 75 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,320 You were so close. 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,800 I'm pretty sure they're both Asperos. 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Yes. 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,520 You were so close. 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Then we move on to the entity. 80 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Entity is pretty much always a non-physical entity. 81 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,760 And sorry Chelsea, just while we're still on this subject, was Corey Good not channeling 82 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,760 raw? 83 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,760 David Wilcock was. 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,080 David Wilcock was, never mind, okay. 85 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,960 It was in the David Wilcock episode, I should have known. 86 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,960 I'm pretty sure. 87 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Fucking David Wilcock. 88 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,760 No, oh god, they're all mixed up now. 89 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,800 I'm pretty sure Corey Good was. 90 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,920 I'm pretty sure Corey Good was channeling raw through a Jenga board. 91 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,160 I'm pretty sure. 92 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,840 No, I'm pretty sure. 93 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:39,840 No. 94 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,920 Corey Good, I think, was channeling the Blue Avians. 95 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,600 Right, right, never mind. 96 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,600 Is he channeling or was he just in direct contact with them? 97 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,720 I can't remember. 98 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 I don't have any of these notes in front of me. 99 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,560 I'm just kind of going by memory here and obviously it's not that. 100 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,080 This might be a good question as it comes up throughout the episode. 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,640 Is there really a difference between channeling and communicating with? 102 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,760 And I think it will come up as we get going. 103 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,160 What do you mean communicating with? 104 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,160 Well, like you said Corey Good wasn't channeling. 105 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,120 I'm talking about it right now. 106 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Well, channeling is like you're getting the information from a non-physical entity. 107 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,680 Well, yeah, I don't know. 108 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,480 In my mind, if you're channeling, you're like the radio. 109 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,840 Whereas if you're communicating with, you're the one that's actually going to save the 110 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:27,600 stuff that was said to you. 111 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,720 Whereas if you're channeling, you're the radio speaker. 112 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,480 That's just the direct message from whoever's talking. 113 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,480 Exactly. 114 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,480 Okay. 115 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:37,480 Exactly. 116 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,480 So, I'm just going to say that's a different yes. 117 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:46,520 So, this non-physical entity could be an extraterrestrial, could be a demon, it could be a human, which 118 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,280 is like a deceased loved one. 119 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,840 It could be a daemon in the case of what's his name. 120 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,400 Funny that you bring him up and why can't I remember his name right now? 121 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,400 Alistair Curly. 122 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Early. 123 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Thank you. 124 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:04,440 A nature spirit, people channel deceased pets, religious figures and angelic beings, gods 125 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,640 or deities or things of unknown origins as we'll see. 126 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,600 Lots of possibilities of entities to channel. 127 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,080 I have chosen a few that spoke to me for today's episode. 128 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,840 No pun intended because I'm not actually channeling today. 129 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:25,960 Leaving this open for a plethora of future scientifically channeled entity episodes. 130 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,080 I had to throw scientific in there because I just fucking want to make it sound like 131 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,080 it is legit. 132 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,520 And I totally made that up as you will see. 133 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,360 It's foreshadowing for a future episode. 134 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,520 Okay, now Chelsea I do have to ask just because they are listening intently over here. 135 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,560 Any popes in this episode? 136 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Not on today's. 137 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,560 Okay, okay. 138 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,800 I've written the ones that we did, shit we did just channel dead folks. 139 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,880 No, I don't think we channeled it. 140 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,880 We communicate with them. 141 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,880 Oh yeah, like. 142 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,160 Like I said, we just discussed this. 143 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,280 We're real people sitting in the room, dead folks. 144 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:04,240 And then the other question I guess I have at this point is as you know, it might be 145 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,760 better to bring this up at the end. 146 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,280 It might be at the end is a better time to bring this up. 147 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:15,480 Why didn't I go second when you're bored? 148 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Well I want to know if it's pretty common to feel like the entities being channeled 149 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,200 are lying about who they are. 150 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Yes. 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,200 Okay. 152 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Emens. 153 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,200 Okay. 154 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Yeah, anyhow, I don't think you know who I have. 155 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,720 So first up, we're going to talk about AWAS. 156 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,280 And AWAS is a voice only. 157 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:41,480 It was heard very specifically on April 8th, 9th, and 10th, 1st in 1904. 158 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,760 A certain mountaineer among many down. 159 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Who goes by the name Alistair Curly? 160 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,320 Okay, I was just going to say seriously how many mountain climbers this has happened to. 161 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,520 Did you like that I picked mountaineer? 162 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Not sure why he made it as a channeled entity when he's very clearly at this point a disembodied 163 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,200 voice, but here we are doing it on channeled entities and he made it. 164 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:14,320 Curly reported that this voice originated with a non-corporeal being dictated a text 165 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:22,520 known as the Book of the Law or Liber Al Vel Legis to him during his honeymoon in Cairo. 166 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,920 AWAS is of unknown origin and becomes Curly's mentor. 167 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,000 I don't know, it's all very weird. 168 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,880 It doesn't get any less weird, so let's just like hang in there. 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Yeah, it's Curly. 170 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,920 Let's just get to the sex stuff now. 171 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Yeah, yeah. 172 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,600 It actually, I don't think there's any sex stuff in here. 173 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,520 You're going to have to just like pause it and think of it up yourself and then just 174 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,040 hit play again. 175 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Curly described the encounter in detail in his 1936 book, The Equinox of the God, saying, 176 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:57,760 The voice of AWAS came apparently from over my left shoulder from the furthest corner 177 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,760 of the room. 178 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:05,720 Quote, It seemed to echo itself in the physical heart in a very strange manner, hard to describe. 179 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,480 I've noticed a similar phenomenon when I have been waiting for a message fraught with 180 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,320 great hope or dread. 181 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:18,320 The voice was passionately poured as if AWAS were alert about the time limit. 182 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,000 The three days that is. 183 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,280 The voice was of deep timber, musical and expressive. 184 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:32,400 Its tones solemn, voluptuous, tender, fierce or ought else as suited the moods of the message. 185 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,400 Okay, Chelsea. 186 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Not vast. 187 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,680 Perhaps a rich tenor or baritone. 188 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:40,360 Okay, those words do not go together in any way. 189 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,360 He just described your voice. 190 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,160 Okay. 191 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,760 Is this just going to be broadcast back to this point in time right now? 192 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,440 And I've, oh shit, I only got three days, Chelsea. 193 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,360 I got to think of what I need to do here. 194 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Okay, well, the card. 195 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Use your time wisely. 196 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,280 So far you've told us about the turbulence threat. 197 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,080 But yeah, and I always give them 48 hours. 198 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,640 That was three days ago. 199 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,800 I always feel like there's too much stress on our listeners, but they need it. 200 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,600 They need you to thrive and now I'm on the 72 hour one. 201 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:17,600 That's no good. 202 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Oh, crack. 203 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:19,600 A lot of pressure. 204 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,600 I'm going to be honest. 205 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:30,160 The English was free of either native or foreign accent, perfectly pure of local or cast, 206 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,120 manualisms, startling and even uncanny at first hearing. 207 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,560 I had a strong impression that the speaker was actually in the corner where he seemed 208 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:47,520 to be in a body of fine matter, transparent as a veil of gauze or a cloud of incense smoke. 209 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:53,560 He seemed to be a tall, dark man in his 30s, well knit, active and strong with the face 210 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:59,720 of a savage king and eyes veil, bless their gaze should destroy what they saw. 211 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,200 The dress was not a rab. 212 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,440 I suggest Assyria or Persia, but very vaguely. 213 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,160 I took little note of it for it to me at that time, a wasp was an angel such as I had often 214 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:17,000 seen in visions of being purely astral and quote, I really thought this was a disembodied 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 voice, but he clearly saw something. 216 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,720 Yeah, yeah, he did. 217 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Channeling. 218 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Oh boy, did I fuck up. 219 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,720 Also Chelsea, just so you are aware, the word is pronounced Arab, not a rab, but I don't 220 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,120 want you to go back and fix that because that's great. 221 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,120 Okay. 222 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Thank you. 223 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,520 So, Crowley went to great pains to argue that Awas was an objectively separate being 224 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,200 from himself. 225 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,360 Love that he went to so much pain about that. 226 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,440 Possessing far more. 227 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,840 That's like a Bruce Wayne thing to do right there. 228 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,520 No kidding. 229 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:55,280 Possessing far more knowledge than he or any other human being could possibly have. 230 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:01,880 He wrote, no forager could have prepared so complex a set of numerical and literal puzzles. 231 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,240 As Crowley writes in his confessions quote, I was bound to admit that Awas has shown 232 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,880 a knowledge of the Kabbalah and measurably superior to my own. 233 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,320 And we are forced to conclude that the author of the book of the law is an intelligence 234 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:22,320 both alien and superior to myself yet acquainted with my inmost secrets and most important 235 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,880 of all that his intelligence is discernate. 236 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,880 End quote. 237 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,960 I don't know if I started a quote, but there's an end quote right there. 238 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,680 However, Crowley also spoke of Awas in symbolic turns and the law is for all. 239 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:40,480 He goes on length in comparison to various other deities and spiritual concepts, but 240 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,840 most specifically to the fool. 241 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:48,200 For example, he writes of Awas quote, in his absolute innocence and ignorance, he is the 242 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,200 fool. 243 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,640 He is the savior being the son who shall trample on the crocodiles and tigers and avenge his 244 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,200 father Osiris. 245 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:02,120 Yes, we see him as the great fool of Celtic legend, the pure fool of act one of Percephal 246 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,680 and generally speaking the insane person whose words have always been taken for oracles. 247 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:08,680 End quote. 248 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:14,040 Perhaps more importantly, Crowley later identified Awas as his own personal holy guardian angel 249 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,040 and more. 250 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Again, from the equinox of the gods quote, I now inclined to believe that Awas is not 251 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:26,320 only the god once held holy in summer and mine own guardian angel, but also a man as 252 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,320 I am. 253 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:33,080 Insofar as he uses a human body to make his magical link with mankind whom he loves and 254 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,160 that he is thus an impissimist head of the AA. 255 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,160 End quote. 256 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Was he was he going through alcohol? 257 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Was he going to sobriety? 258 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Maybe, I don't know. 259 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,240 Okay. 260 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,720 Not sure what that refers to. 261 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Yeah, but I say I get where the channeling is. 262 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,760 Even though we saw that person, technically the books were channeled. 263 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,440 That first interaction wasn't channeled. 264 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,520 It was just their meeting. 265 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,520 So that I guess Crowley was Crowley was not only the channel. 266 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,200 Did you get that from it? 267 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Because to me he was describing what the voice like he envisioned from the voice. 268 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:10,880 It's hard to say. 269 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,280 That's what I thought at first, but then he very clearly said the entity he saw. 270 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,720 Yeah, I agree with that. 271 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,720 I don't know. 272 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:17,720 It's weird. 273 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,800 He didn't pull up for interpretation because he probably made it up. 274 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Yeah, but yeah, he says that the books were written by other entities who he channeled. 275 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,440 Like he was clearly clearly seeing that whoever wrote this is smarter than him. 276 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Oh yeah, well I stand by my word that this is a channeled entity because it made it into 277 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,720 the channeled entity's episode. 278 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,720 So yeah. 279 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:38,720 Some good logic there. 280 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,400 Not certain to swear. 281 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 That proves it. 282 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Yet even while eventually identifying a was as a holy guardian angel, Crowley still went 283 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:53,080 to even greater lengths in his later years to insist the a was was an objective entity 284 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,440 apart from himself. 285 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Again, even going as far as to declare in no uncertain terms that the holy guardian angel 286 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:06,280 is not only entirely objective, but is also not to be confused with the quote higher self 287 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,440 end quote. 288 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,960 As in his final work, magic without tears. 289 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Why is that his final work? 290 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Does he typically cry? 291 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Because he would imagine. 292 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,680 He couldn't cry anymore. 293 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,440 Too old. 294 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,440 All out of tears. 295 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,920 He cried them all quote. 296 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,400 The holy guardian angel is not the higher self, but an objective individual. 297 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,000 Yes, he is not. 298 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,400 Let me say with emphasis, a mere abstraction from yourself. 299 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:40,480 That is why I have insisted rather heavily at the term higher self implies a damnable 300 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:46,920 ferocity and a dangerous delusion if it were not so, there would be no point in the sacred 301 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,840 magic of a Bremelan, the mage end quote. 302 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,760 I hope I put enough good emphasis on that that would make Alistair Crowley happy. 303 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,920 In magic and theory and practice, a was is firmly identified by Crowley as the devil 304 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,560 Satan and Lucifer, whose emblem is bafflement. 305 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,320 This assertion is made while Crowley is discussing the devil. 306 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,440 After explaining that the devil does not exist, he goes on to clarify his statements by explaining 307 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:20,320 that the devil is in reality a label for the god of any people that one dislikes, and this 308 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,480 fact has led to so much confusion of thought on the subject that Crowley prefers to let 309 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,280 names stand as they are. 310 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:34,400 And to proclaim simply that a was the solar phallochrometic Lucifer is his own holy guardian 311 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,200 angel and the devil Satan or had it. 312 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:43,640 The supreme soul behind Rahu or Kuwait, the sun, the lord of our particular unit of the 313 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,400 starry universe. 314 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:51,120 The serpent satan is not the enemy of man, but he who made gods of our race knowing good 315 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,120 and evil. 316 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,280 He bade know thyself and taught intuition, he is the devil of the book of thought, and 317 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,200 his emblem is bafflement. 318 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,800 The androgyne who is the hieroglyph and arcane perfection. 319 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,680 This is a lot of Aleister Crowley shit, my god. 320 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,880 Yeah he is a very particular way of writing. 321 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,640 Okay, so listen to this, a number of authors have expressed the view that a was was most 322 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,520 likely an unconscious manifestation of Crowley's personality. 323 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,200 Caltis Israel Regardi argued for this view in his Crowley biography, The Eye and the 324 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,720 Triangle, and considered that the book of the law was a colossal wish fulfillment on 325 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,240 Crowley's part. 326 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,800 Regardi noted that in 1906, Crowley wrote quote, it has struck me in connection with 327 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,280 reading Blake the AWAS, etc. 328 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,000 Horse and fire is the very thing I lack. 329 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:45,280 My conscious is really an obstacle in a delusion being a survival heredity and education. 330 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,280 Being a survival of heredity and education end quote. 331 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,920 Regardi argued that because Crowley felt that his fundamentalist upbringing instilled 332 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:58,120 him in an overly rigid conscience, when he rebelled against Christianity quote, he must 333 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:02,800 have yearned her qualities and characteristics diametrically opposed to his own. 334 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,840 In the book of the law, the wishes fulfilled end quote. 335 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,040 Charles R. Camel, author of Alistair Crowley, The Man and the Mage, the poet wrote that 336 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:17,000 the book of the law was quote, in part, but in part only an emanation from Crowley's unconscious 337 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,640 mind I can believe for it bears a likeliness to his own daymonic personality daymonic end 338 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,640 quote. 339 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:30,400 Writer Israel regarding academic Joshua Gunn have argued that the stylistic similarities 340 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,600 between the book of the law and Crowley's other writings are evidence that Crowley rather 341 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,840 than a discarnate entity was the sole source of the book. 342 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,920 And just like I said, no one else channels AWAS. 343 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,480 Yeah, he's still made it in because he's Alistair Crowley and technically he's a channeled 344 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,480 entity AWAS. 345 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,480 Well, he claims it. 346 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,480 People's channeled. 347 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,480 So yeah. 348 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,320 So next in line, we got Zozo. 349 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,320 Ah, yes. 350 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,480 The the Ouija board guy. 351 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,920 Yeah, I'm also foreshadowed earlier in this episode with the Jango reference. 352 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,160 The blocks are all coming together now. 353 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,160 Yeah. 354 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,160 That's like tumbled down. 355 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Zozo is a mysterious trickster entity known for stalking people through Ouija boards. 356 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,520 Those who claim they've made contact with Zozo say he often shows himself by guiding 357 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:28,200 the planchette into figure eight formations before frantically zooming back and forth between 358 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:33,360 the Z and the O. His interactions start out friendly, grow malicious. 359 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:38,080 While he's often wrangled by Ouija board, some believe that saying his name out loud 360 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,640 can also summon Zozo from the depths of hell. 361 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,760 Stay the fuck away from me, Zozo. 362 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,880 Zozo can also go by Zaza, Mama, Oz, Zo, Zah, and Abacus. 363 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,520 Oh, I was just going to say, are they all just two repeat letters, but that last one 364 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,520 is not. 365 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,880 Yep, no, it's really out of left field. 366 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Not sure why it's related. 367 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,520 I'm I'm wondering if he's called Abacus when he just scrolls through the numbers because 368 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,640 like an Abacus is like a rudimentary calculator. 369 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,880 Oh, maybe, maybe when he's doing math. 370 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,320 Because like if he's repeating between two different things like that's pretty much 371 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,320 everything else than Abacus, maybe he just does the numbers back and forth like you get 372 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,320 what I'm saying. 373 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,280 Yeah, that was a planchette because I don't think he's spelling Abacus. 374 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,200 That sounds like that would last field for that one. 375 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,640 We know that. 376 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,520 I know I certainly wouldn't. 377 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Maybe some people this entity is gained notoriety for supposedly causing psychological distress 378 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,600 and bad luck for those who encounter it during such sessions. 379 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,960 Zozo believers claim the demon has ancient origins, either African or Sumerian, depending 380 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,960 who you ask. 381 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:47,560 While those claims can't be substantiated, they may be confusing Zozo for Pazuzu, a 382 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Mesopotamian wind demon who famously appeared in the exorcist, a supernatural entity called 383 00:20:53,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Zozo was referenced in the 1818 French text La Dictionnaire Infernal, a Demological Encyclopedia 384 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,880 written by French author Jacques Auguste Simon Collin de Plancy. 385 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,800 That can't be one name. 386 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:14,000 Recounts the story of young village girl who claimed she'd been possessed by three demons 387 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,840 named Mimi, Zozo, and Crap-Bolette. 388 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:18,840 Crap-Pool-It. 389 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,840 I don't know. 390 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,480 Why is it always ending with these ones? 391 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:31,280 He is rumored to have been the demon who possessed Roland Doe, aka Ronald, Zozo, and the possession 392 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,600 were written about in a book called The Exorcist under the name Pazuzu, which in turn inspired 393 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,280 the modern version of Pazuzu who comes from Babylonian culture. 394 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,280 I don't know. 395 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,280 I never heard of Pazuzu. 396 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,120 Encounters with Zozo. 397 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:49,600 Zozo is often said to mimic the voices of the dead, who the user of the Ouija board wishes 398 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,600 to talk to. 399 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,880 He is a cruel, sadistic demon who likes preying on people's insecurities and fears. 400 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,840 He often delights in telling them they will die soon and is often brutally misogynistic. 401 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,160 Wow. 402 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,920 He loves to pretend he is other spirits, often times pretending he is three different spirits 403 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,080 at once. 404 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,520 And I'd just like to interject my own thoughts right here because in the channeling I actually 405 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:18,240 didn't put, like, using some apparatus to channel like Ouija board. 406 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,320 You don't have to be a medium to do that or a contactee. 407 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,960 I guess at that point you are a contactee if you use Ouija board and an entity like this 408 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,200 comes through. 409 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,560 He can play on psychics for instance if a psychic is adamant that there are only two 410 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,080 ghosts in the building. 411 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,280 Zozo will confuse them by claiming there are nine ghosts instead. 412 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,720 He will also add confusing scenarios by stating he is a little boy ghost and that he is afraid 413 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,320 of malevolent spirit haunting the place. 414 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,880 Coming for you Chelsea, when he says he is a little boy ghost, do we mean like he died 415 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720 as a little boy and he is a ghost that way? 416 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,400 Or he has just been a ghost for a little while so he is like a little boy ghost. 417 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,080 It can't be both. 418 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,840 It depends on the person who is receiving the news I guess and whatever they think. 419 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,960 That's the point. 420 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,160 Would you call yourself a little boy ghost if you were just a new ghost? 421 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,680 Or would you call yourself a new ghost? 422 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,040 That might be the easiest way to convey it for Ouija board. 423 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,400 Or specifically if you've been channeled to a Jenga board. 424 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,920 I don't know how else to say it really. 425 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Can a Jenga board convey anything else other than little boy ghost? 426 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,000 I don't think so. 427 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,240 I've only ever heard the Jengas board say little boy ghost. 428 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,720 It doesn't have a whole lot to say other than that. 429 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Zozo loves watching his victims squirm with confusion and often times he takes pleasure 430 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,480 when one gullible human believes his lies. 431 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,480 Chelsea? 432 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,480 Zozo is very sadistic. 433 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,760 Have you ever squirmed from confusion? 434 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,760 Little. 435 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,280 It's uncomfortable if I'm too confused. 436 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,120 I'm just trying to picture what that looks like. 437 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:56,040 Does he ask them what is the sound of one hand clapping and they sit there for a second 438 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,800 and then just start like wiggling? 439 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,800 No. 440 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,520 Like you know the face of someone's confused. 441 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,520 I think he's like... 442 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,520 That's not a squirm. 443 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,040 A squirm is a full body process. 444 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,920 It could be if you're confused enough. 445 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,360 I've seen some pretty confused faces. 446 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,360 Okay. 447 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:19,280 So Zozo is very sadistic and loves watching friends fall out over his lies. 448 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,840 He is a master deceiver which is not surprising as the devil is claimed to be the father of 449 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,960 all lies. 450 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680 And Zozo is a powerful devil in hell. 451 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,800 I thought he was a little boy ghost. 452 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Yeah. 453 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,080 He's also a powerful devil in hell. 454 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Possible encounters with Zozo include 1951. 455 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,960 Roland Doe was a boy who got possessed by Zozo. 456 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:49,080 After using the Ouija board he was eventually exercised after a violent process by priests. 457 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,000 If you don't know who Roland Doe is we've done a whole episode on him. 458 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,040 Really good episode. 459 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,280 I kept in and out referring to him as Ronald. 460 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 You did. 461 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,280 This is Roland. 462 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,360 It's a really good episode. 463 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:07,200 Roland Doe is who the exorcist is based on. 464 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,680 What's her name in the exorcist? 465 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,680 Reagan. 466 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,280 He's actually Roland and he's a boy. 467 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,080 I think it happened in Chicago. 468 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,080 Was it just because Reagan is... 469 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,080 Maybe not. 470 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,080 St. Louis or something. 471 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,200 Reagan is harder to not mispronounce. 472 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,200 That's probably why they did it. 473 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,280 You don't get confused between Ronald and Roland at all with Reagan. 474 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,400 There's no reynagg. 475 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,400 That's for sure. 476 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,400 Yeah, exactly. 477 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,920 You can't confuse up other letters to make it a new name. 478 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,560 Well, Ronald isn't a new name. 479 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,040 It's just a different name. 480 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,240 That's not Roland. 481 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,280 In 1972. 482 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,280 In Los Angeles. 483 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,960 A mother named Doris Blyther used a Ouija board and found herself haunted by a dark 484 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,280 entity which sought her and her family harm. 485 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,280 Very vague. 486 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,960 1977 and 1979. 487 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,680 Enfield Poltergeist in Enfield, England where a family got plagued by a malevolent force. 488 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,640 No more on that one. 489 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,080 May or may not be Zozo. 490 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,280 Well, I cannot be sure. 491 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,280 2012. 492 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,800 Tombstone, Nevada. 493 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,760 A small group of soldiers were off duty and decided to mess about with a Ouija board just 494 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,760 for fun. 495 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,200 They made contact with an alleged spirit who told them that he had died in Tombstone. 496 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,680 On the way back, one of the men got possessed and almost killed the others in a car crash 497 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,680 before the demon left him and regained consciousness. 498 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,680 Him or the demon? 499 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,680 Hard to say. 500 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,680 Good question. 501 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:30,800 In 2019, YouTuber Kyle Godfrey attempted to contact Zozo at 3am on his Ouija board. 502 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,960 An idea of Kyle and made contact with an entity who said it was Zozo. 503 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,560 Probably wasn't Zozo if it was straight up telling you. 504 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,160 However, Kyle took it further and asked the spirit if there is a specific phone number 505 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,320 for Zozo. 506 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,440 The entity gave him a number. 507 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,280 417-666-666. 508 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,960 When the number was called, the lights went out in his room during the phone call and 509 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Poltergeist activity followed. 510 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,040 When Kyle ended the call, the lights came back on. 511 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,840 I find it suspicious that the phone number is there if it's that dangerous. 512 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,800 Yeah, but to be fair, Chelsea, do you want to know the creepiest part of this? 513 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,640 That area code is assigned to Missouri. 514 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,640 Hell is in Missouri. 515 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680 I mean, that's where Zozo lives apparently. 516 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,680 It checks out. 517 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,960 It does check out. 518 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,280 Zozo lives in Missouri. 519 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,920 Now I got some Reddit stories. 520 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,360 User, PuzzleheadedWolf11. 521 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:33,000 Me and my best friend spent the entire summer talking with the spirit with a different name, 522 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,520 making friends with her. 523 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,080 Then one day it started going crazy and spelling Z-O-Z-O-Z-O-Z-O. 524 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,040 And it started getting nastier and scary. 525 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,360 I googled the name and the original blog post is mainly all that came up. 526 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,640 And this was years before the movie. 527 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,640 Apparently there's a movie. 528 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040 So from my experience, it's not a phenomenon. 529 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,920 I think to those that didn't experience it. 530 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,720 It's like a bloody merry for people as for me as someone who googled because it came 531 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,160 through my board, then never let anything come through besides it to talk again. 532 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,160 It's very much real. 533 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,560 Gotta love those Reddit punctuations. 534 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,360 Oh, I like this username. 535 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,360 User. 536 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,640 Dad's nut milk line. 537 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,640 I don't know. 538 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,640 That is a little disturbing, but I giggled at it. 539 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,640 One time I was playing with my Ouija board with my friend. 540 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,560 I'll call her R for the sake of her privacy. 541 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,040 Me and R were in my basement. 542 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,280 I wonder if it was Reagan. 543 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,280 See? 544 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Look at that. 545 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,280 I can remember that name. 546 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,640 No squirming with confusion. 547 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,480 And she wanted me to show her how to use a Ouija board. 548 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,600 We were asking basic questions like how old are you and what's your name? 549 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,560 And the board was answering without problems. 550 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200 Eventually the board spelled out Z-O-Z-O. 551 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,240 And we hadn't even asked it a question. 552 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,320 It just did. 553 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,280 So we were now supposedly talking to Zozo, the infamous Ouija board demon. 554 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,600 I explained to R who Zozo was and we continued talking to him. 555 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,720 And I was kind of an idiot and I decided I would attempt to agrivate Zozo by basically 556 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960 telling him he was not powerful and he didn't scare me. 557 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Oh good. 558 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,560 That's a wise choice to add some nut milk. 559 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Yep. 560 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,200 He claimed he couldn't so scary shit because he had a broken leg. 561 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,520 So I accused him of lying. 562 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,400 Zozo said he had a broken leg. 563 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,960 Wait, it's just a little boy ghost. 564 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,640 Give him a break. 565 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,840 After about half an hour of me being really stupid, Reagan asked the board what do you 566 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,960 want from us. 567 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,840 This is when shit got creepy. 568 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,200 It immediately spelled out die, D-I-E. 569 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,200 And simultaneously my nose started to bleed. 570 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,720 I ran upstairs to tell my mother what happened and she said it was probably a coincidence. 571 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,280 To this, I can just see the mum like laying on the couch half asleep being like shut up. 572 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,200 Had this happened in modern time there is a phone in front of her face and she's scrolling 573 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,200 right at us. 574 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Yep. 575 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,560 So that board doesn't work and when I try to use it, it only moves in a figure eight 576 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,640 around the letters. 577 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,880 I had to purchase a new board and I've learned my lesson about aiging on demons. 578 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,320 So I guess I had to get to the end of the episode to tell you this but I picked two 579 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,320 entities for this episode. 580 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,920 So that's the end of the episode. 581 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,520 Well that would be the big surprise of this episode in fact. 582 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,520 That's the end. 583 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,280 So Chelsea, I'm just curious what your opinion is on this. 584 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,000 Zozo is a channeled entity. 585 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,760 Is the person channeling him or is the board channeling him? 586 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,840 Well the Ouija board is like a conduit. 587 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,440 So it's the channeling point? 588 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,240 So yes, I would say. 589 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,000 Unless, unless it's channeling through a person who's pushing the plan chat. 590 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,840 Well it all depends on the technicalities of how you think a Ouija board works. 591 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Yeah, yeah. 592 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,840 Yeah, either one is possible. 593 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,840 That's a good point. 594 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,840 And I like Zozo. 595 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,840 He's got character. 596 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,840 I don't think we covered that in the movie. 597 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,360 Broken leg, he's just a little kid ghost in Missouri. 598 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,760 I feel bad for that board. 599 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,240 This is a good backstory. 600 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600 We learned a lot about him. 601 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,360 So we could have probably had some much more technically channeled entities but these are 602 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000 the outliers of channeled entities. 603 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,520 One was a disembodied voice by Alistair Crawley. 604 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,640 He probably didn't actually channel shades. 605 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:19,840 And so Zozo, who is just like a bad entity that you could encounter using the Ouija board? 606 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,040 Which is technically channeling. 607 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040 Yeah, I think it's just a question of what. 608 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,280 Probably not what you're expecting coming here today. 609 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920 Yeah, and I guess the real question is, is what is channeling it? 610 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,240 The entity. 611 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,400 Like I said, it's either the board or a person. 612 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,920 I think it's being channeled. 613 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Technically it's channeled. 614 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,920 Either way it's being channeled. 615 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,440 It's just a question of through what. 616 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,680 It's just around. 617 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,680 And what was I going to say? 618 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,440 And in Crawley's defense, he was alive in the early 1900s where we had a ton of drugs 619 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,280 and not much understanding of what they were going to do to your body. 620 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880 And he was a takin' em. 621 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,640 Like just all of em. 622 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,640 And climbing mountains too. 623 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,640 He sure was. 624 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,120 We have an episode on that. 625 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,720 Yeah, maybe he's a famous mountaineer. 626 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,920 Still holds records or something. 627 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,520 I can't quite remember. 628 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,520 Okay. 629 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,400 Well, Chelsea, thank you for that. 630 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,400 For now. 631 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,400 Yeah. 632 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,360 And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 633 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,360 We are Journey to the Fringe. 634 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,080 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 635 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Okay. 636 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120 Thank you for listening too, Journey to the Fringe. 637 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:24,160 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow 638 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,480 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 639 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,600 Also please, if possible, leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 640 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,440 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 641 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,160 I bet you we are there. 642 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,640 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell 643 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:51,560 us that we're wrong and terrible either way, please send us an email at journeytothefringe.com. 644 00:32:51,560 --> 00:33:10,720 For now, I'll see you in the next episode.