From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, both written and executed in the inferior
English language.
We are your podcast hosts.
Doomed to this imperfect structure formed from vacation, Taylor and Chelsea.
Here today talking about something that Chelsea really wants to tell you guys about, I assume,
because it's her episode.
It's okay.
And also, it's all we know is the inferior language so far.
I mean, every episode would be better in German from how we understand the system to work.
Obviously, would be much better in German, but here we are not being able to speak the
beautiful German language.
Though, English is a Germanic root or something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
There's the Germanic root and the Latin root.
There's actually a movement from some intellectuals who want to take the Latin out of English.
It's kind of a fun little thing.
It's just me getting...
Bake it basically German again.
My favorite part of this is if you remove the Latin from it, it really impacts professions
because most of them are the study of something, which is ology.
So geology, if you took out the Latin root, would be stone lore, which is just a great
title for a job.
Maybe we should look at doing that because I do like that.
Anyhow, we don't speak great English anyways.
Maybe it is mostly just German we know.
Yeah, maybe.
Anyhow, welcome to this episode, which Taylor has already done a good job at welcoming you
to.
Anyhow, this episode is channeled entities.
Well, Chelsea, didn't we learn that German is the superior language from a channeled
entity?
Yeah, we did.
Actually, we've already covered some channeled entities, but this is actually just going
to be an episode on channeled entities.
We're not just going to be getting secondhand information.
It's straight up channeled entities.
We will not be doing the channeling just so you know.
Rather, I will be conveying the background info on entities that like to be channeled.
We may channel on a future episode.
We don't know yet.
Probably not.
Maybe.
I mean, we're ready to know.
Like, don't these entities going to have the control here?
Yeah, exactly.
We don't know what we're going to do.
So what I'm talking about when I say a channeled entity is a being which is essentially contacting
a person or the person is contacting, I guess.
I don't really know that much about channeling, but they're imparting some sort of knowledge
insight, guidance or something.
Yeah, and I've always been confused too with this.
Whether or not they seek out this particular entity and like the ether of wherever it is
that they deem they go or if they get sought out while they're meditating or something
like that.
Yeah, I don't know exactly how it works because I'm not a medium, but I'm assuming that they
would be seeking out a conduit in order to convey a message.
Because I think how it would work.
I could be wrong though.
There may be ones that go out and seek something.
Yeah, and they'd be allegedly find somebody who they can channel.
Yeah, this person that is doing the channeling can be a medium UFO contactees are infamous
channelers, just regular person, I guess.
And we have covered a few in previous episodes as Taylor said, it's his face.
Who was that guy?
The German.
Patala.
Whoever Patala was contacting.
I can't remember his name right now.
Edgar Casey was a channeler.
He wasn't channeling entities though, I think he was channeling the Akashic records.
Yeah, and I'm fairly certain an entity came up in the Nutshengah Weegee episode.
I don't think anybody's channeled anybody through a channel.
You were so close.
I'm pretty sure they're both Asperos.
Yes.
You were so close.
Then we move on to the entity.
Entity is pretty much always a non-physical entity.
And sorry Chelsea, just while we're still on this subject, was Corey Good not channeling
raw?
David Wilcock was.
David Wilcock was, never mind, okay.
It was in the David Wilcock episode, I should have known.
I'm pretty sure.
Fucking David Wilcock.
No, oh god, they're all mixed up now.
I'm pretty sure Corey Good was.
I'm pretty sure Corey Good was channeling raw through a Jenga board.
I'm pretty sure.
No, I'm pretty sure.
No.
Corey Good, I think, was channeling the Blue Avians.
Right, right, never mind.
Is he channeling or was he just in direct contact with them?
I can't remember.
I don't have any of these notes in front of me.
I'm just kind of going by memory here and obviously it's not that.
This might be a good question as it comes up throughout the episode.
Is there really a difference between channeling and communicating with?
And I think it will come up as we get going.
What do you mean communicating with?
Well, like you said Corey Good wasn't channeling.
I'm talking about it right now.
Well, channeling is like you're getting the information from a non-physical entity.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
In my mind, if you're channeling, you're like the radio.
Whereas if you're communicating with, you're the one that's actually going to save the
stuff that was said to you.
Whereas if you're channeling, you're the radio speaker.
That's just the direct message from whoever's talking.
Exactly.
Okay.
Exactly.
So, I'm just going to say that's a different yes.
So, this non-physical entity could be an extraterrestrial, could be a demon, it could be a human, which
is like a deceased loved one.
It could be a daemon in the case of what's his name.
Funny that you bring him up and why can't I remember his name right now?
Alistair Curly.
Early.
Thank you.
A nature spirit, people channel deceased pets, religious figures and angelic beings, gods
or deities or things of unknown origins as we'll see.
Lots of possibilities of entities to channel.
I have chosen a few that spoke to me for today's episode.
No pun intended because I'm not actually channeling today.
Leaving this open for a plethora of future scientifically channeled entity episodes.
I had to throw scientific in there because I just fucking want to make it sound like
it is legit.
And I totally made that up as you will see.
It's foreshadowing for a future episode.
Okay, now Chelsea I do have to ask just because they are listening intently over here.
Any popes in this episode?
Not on today's.
Okay, okay.
I've written the ones that we did, shit we did just channel dead folks.
No, I don't think we channeled it.
We communicate with them.
Oh yeah, like.
Like I said, we just discussed this.
We're real people sitting in the room, dead folks.
And then the other question I guess I have at this point is as you know, it might be
better to bring this up at the end.
It might be at the end is a better time to bring this up.
Why didn't I go second when you're bored?
Well I want to know if it's pretty common to feel like the entities being channeled
are lying about who they are.
Yes.
Okay.
Emens.
Okay.
Yeah, anyhow, I don't think you know who I have.
So first up, we're going to talk about AWAS.
And AWAS is a voice only.
It was heard very specifically on April 8th, 9th, and 10th, 1st in 1904.
A certain mountaineer among many down.
Who goes by the name Alistair Curly?
Okay, I was just going to say seriously how many mountain climbers this has happened to.
Did you like that I picked mountaineer?
Not sure why he made it as a channeled entity when he's very clearly at this point a disembodied
voice, but here we are doing it on channeled entities and he made it.
Curly reported that this voice originated with a non-corporeal being dictated a text
known as the Book of the Law or Liber Al Vel Legis to him during his honeymoon in Cairo.
AWAS is of unknown origin and becomes Curly's mentor.
I don't know, it's all very weird.
It doesn't get any less weird, so let's just like hang in there.
Yeah, it's Curly.
Let's just get to the sex stuff now.
Yeah, yeah.
It actually, I don't think there's any sex stuff in here.
You're going to have to just like pause it and think of it up yourself and then just
hit play again.
Curly described the encounter in detail in his 1936 book, The Equinox of the God, saying,
The voice of AWAS came apparently from over my left shoulder from the furthest corner
of the room.
Quote, It seemed to echo itself in the physical heart in a very strange manner, hard to describe.
I've noticed a similar phenomenon when I have been waiting for a message fraught with
great hope or dread.
The voice was passionately poured as if AWAS were alert about the time limit.
The three days that is.
The voice was of deep timber, musical and expressive.
Its tones solemn, voluptuous, tender, fierce or ought else as suited the moods of the message.
Okay, Chelsea.
Not vast.
Perhaps a rich tenor or baritone.
Okay, those words do not go together in any way.
He just described your voice.
Okay.
Is this just going to be broadcast back to this point in time right now?
And I've, oh shit, I only got three days, Chelsea.
I got to think of what I need to do here.
Okay, well, the card.
Use your time wisely.
So far you've told us about the turbulence threat.
But yeah, and I always give them 48 hours.
That was three days ago.
I always feel like there's too much stress on our listeners, but they need it.
They need you to thrive and now I'm on the 72 hour one.
That's no good.
Oh, crack.
A lot of pressure.
I'm going to be honest.
The English was free of either native or foreign accent, perfectly pure of local or cast,
manualisms, startling and even uncanny at first hearing.
I had a strong impression that the speaker was actually in the corner where he seemed
to be in a body of fine matter, transparent as a veil of gauze or a cloud of incense smoke.
He seemed to be a tall, dark man in his 30s, well knit, active and strong with the face
of a savage king and eyes veil, bless their gaze should destroy what they saw.
The dress was not a rab.
I suggest Assyria or Persia, but very vaguely.
I took little note of it for it to me at that time, a wasp was an angel such as I had often
seen in visions of being purely astral and quote, I really thought this was a disembodied
voice, but he clearly saw something.
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Channeling.
Oh boy, did I fuck up.
Also Chelsea, just so you are aware, the word is pronounced Arab, not a rab, but I don't
want you to go back and fix that because that's great.
Okay.
Thank you.
So, Crowley went to great pains to argue that Awas was an objectively separate being
from himself.
Love that he went to so much pain about that.
Possessing far more.
That's like a Bruce Wayne thing to do right there.
No kidding.
Possessing far more knowledge than he or any other human being could possibly have.
He wrote, no forager could have prepared so complex a set of numerical and literal puzzles.
As Crowley writes in his confessions quote, I was bound to admit that Awas has shown
a knowledge of the Kabbalah and measurably superior to my own.
And we are forced to conclude that the author of the book of the law is an intelligence
both alien and superior to myself yet acquainted with my inmost secrets and most important
of all that his intelligence is discernate.
End quote.
I don't know if I started a quote, but there's an end quote right there.
However, Crowley also spoke of Awas in symbolic turns and the law is for all.
He goes on length in comparison to various other deities and spiritual concepts, but
most specifically to the fool.
For example, he writes of Awas quote, in his absolute innocence and ignorance, he is the
fool.
He is the savior being the son who shall trample on the crocodiles and tigers and avenge his
father Osiris.
Yes, we see him as the great fool of Celtic legend, the pure fool of act one of Percephal
and generally speaking the insane person whose words have always been taken for oracles.
End quote.
Perhaps more importantly, Crowley later identified Awas as his own personal holy guardian angel
and more.
Again, from the equinox of the gods quote, I now inclined to believe that Awas is not
only the god once held holy in summer and mine own guardian angel, but also a man as
I am.
Insofar as he uses a human body to make his magical link with mankind whom he loves and
that he is thus an impissimist head of the AA.
End quote.
Was he was he going through alcohol?
Was he going to sobriety?
Maybe, I don't know.
Okay.
Not sure what that refers to.
Yeah, but I say I get where the channeling is.
Even though we saw that person, technically the books were channeled.
That first interaction wasn't channeled.
It was just their meeting.
So that I guess Crowley was Crowley was not only the channel.
Did you get that from it?
Because to me he was describing what the voice like he envisioned from the voice.
It's hard to say.
That's what I thought at first, but then he very clearly said the entity he saw.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I don't know.
It's weird.
He didn't pull up for interpretation because he probably made it up.
Yeah, but yeah, he says that the books were written by other entities who he channeled.
Like he was clearly clearly seeing that whoever wrote this is smarter than him.
Oh yeah, well I stand by my word that this is a channeled entity because it made it into
the channeled entity's episode.
So yeah.
Some good logic there.
Not certain to swear.
That proves it.
Yet even while eventually identifying a was as a holy guardian angel, Crowley still went
to even greater lengths in his later years to insist the a was was an objective entity
apart from himself.
Again, even going as far as to declare in no uncertain terms that the holy guardian angel
is not only entirely objective, but is also not to be confused with the quote higher self
end quote.
As in his final work, magic without tears.
Why is that his final work?
Does he typically cry?
Because he would imagine.
He couldn't cry anymore.
Too old.
All out of tears.
He cried them all quote.
The holy guardian angel is not the higher self, but an objective individual.
Yes, he is not.
Let me say with emphasis, a mere abstraction from yourself.
That is why I have insisted rather heavily at the term higher self implies a damnable
ferocity and a dangerous delusion if it were not so, there would be no point in the sacred
magic of a Bremelan, the mage end quote.
I hope I put enough good emphasis on that that would make Alistair Crowley happy.
In magic and theory and practice, a was is firmly identified by Crowley as the devil
Satan and Lucifer, whose emblem is bafflement.
This assertion is made while Crowley is discussing the devil.
After explaining that the devil does not exist, he goes on to clarify his statements by explaining
that the devil is in reality a label for the god of any people that one dislikes, and this
fact has led to so much confusion of thought on the subject that Crowley prefers to let
names stand as they are.
And to proclaim simply that a was the solar phallochrometic Lucifer is his own holy guardian
angel and the devil Satan or had it.
The supreme soul behind Rahu or Kuwait, the sun, the lord of our particular unit of the
starry universe.
The serpent satan is not the enemy of man, but he who made gods of our race knowing good
and evil.
He bade know thyself and taught intuition, he is the devil of the book of thought, and
his emblem is bafflement.
The androgyne who is the hieroglyph and arcane perfection.
This is a lot of Aleister Crowley shit, my god.
Yeah he is a very particular way of writing.
Okay, so listen to this, a number of authors have expressed the view that a was was most
likely an unconscious manifestation of Crowley's personality.
Caltis Israel Regardi argued for this view in his Crowley biography, The Eye and the
Triangle, and considered that the book of the law was a colossal wish fulfillment on
Crowley's part.
Regardi noted that in 1906, Crowley wrote quote, it has struck me in connection with
reading Blake the AWAS, etc.
Horse and fire is the very thing I lack.
My conscious is really an obstacle in a delusion being a survival heredity and education.
Being a survival of heredity and education end quote.
Regardi argued that because Crowley felt that his fundamentalist upbringing instilled
him in an overly rigid conscience, when he rebelled against Christianity quote, he must
have yearned her qualities and characteristics diametrically opposed to his own.
In the book of the law, the wishes fulfilled end quote.
Charles R. Camel, author of Alistair Crowley, The Man and the Mage, the poet wrote that
the book of the law was quote, in part, but in part only an emanation from Crowley's unconscious
mind I can believe for it bears a likeliness to his own daymonic personality daymonic end
quote.
Writer Israel regarding academic Joshua Gunn have argued that the stylistic similarities
between the book of the law and Crowley's other writings are evidence that Crowley rather
than a discarnate entity was the sole source of the book.
And just like I said, no one else channels AWAS.
Yeah, he's still made it in because he's Alistair Crowley and technically he's a channeled
entity AWAS.
Well, he claims it.
People's channeled.
So yeah.
So next in line, we got Zozo.
Ah, yes.
The the Ouija board guy.
Yeah, I'm also foreshadowed earlier in this episode with the Jango reference.
The blocks are all coming together now.
Yeah.
That's like tumbled down.
Zozo is a mysterious trickster entity known for stalking people through Ouija boards.
Those who claim they've made contact with Zozo say he often shows himself by guiding
the planchette into figure eight formations before frantically zooming back and forth between
the Z and the O. His interactions start out friendly, grow malicious.
While he's often wrangled by Ouija board, some believe that saying his name out loud
can also summon Zozo from the depths of hell.
Stay the fuck away from me, Zozo.
Zozo can also go by Zaza, Mama, Oz, Zo, Zah, and Abacus.
Oh, I was just going to say, are they all just two repeat letters, but that last one
is not.
Yep, no, it's really out of left field.
Not sure why it's related.
I'm I'm wondering if he's called Abacus when he just scrolls through the numbers because
like an Abacus is like a rudimentary calculator.
Oh, maybe, maybe when he's doing math.
Because like if he's repeating between two different things like that's pretty much
everything else than Abacus, maybe he just does the numbers back and forth like you get
what I'm saying.
Yeah, that was a planchette because I don't think he's spelling Abacus.
That sounds like that would last field for that one.
We know that.
I know I certainly wouldn't.
Maybe some people this entity is gained notoriety for supposedly causing psychological distress
and bad luck for those who encounter it during such sessions.
Zozo believers claim the demon has ancient origins, either African or Sumerian, depending
who you ask.
While those claims can't be substantiated, they may be confusing Zozo for Pazuzu, a
Mesopotamian wind demon who famously appeared in the exorcist, a supernatural entity called
Zozo was referenced in the 1818 French text La Dictionnaire Infernal, a Demological Encyclopedia
written by French author Jacques Auguste Simon Collin de Plancy.
That can't be one name.
Recounts the story of young village girl who claimed she'd been possessed by three demons
named Mimi, Zozo, and Crap-Bolette.
Crap-Pool-It.
I don't know.
Why is it always ending with these ones?
He is rumored to have been the demon who possessed Roland Doe, aka Ronald, Zozo, and the possession
were written about in a book called The Exorcist under the name Pazuzu, which in turn inspired
the modern version of Pazuzu who comes from Babylonian culture.
I don't know.
I never heard of Pazuzu.
Encounters with Zozo.
Zozo is often said to mimic the voices of the dead, who the user of the Ouija board wishes
to talk to.
He is a cruel, sadistic demon who likes preying on people's insecurities and fears.
He often delights in telling them they will die soon and is often brutally misogynistic.
Wow.
He loves to pretend he is other spirits, often times pretending he is three different spirits
at once.
And I'd just like to interject my own thoughts right here because in the channeling I actually
didn't put, like, using some apparatus to channel like Ouija board.
You don't have to be a medium to do that or a contactee.
I guess at that point you are a contactee if you use Ouija board and an entity like this
comes through.
He can play on psychics for instance if a psychic is adamant that there are only two
ghosts in the building.
Zozo will confuse them by claiming there are nine ghosts instead.
He will also add confusing scenarios by stating he is a little boy ghost and that he is afraid
of malevolent spirit haunting the place.
Coming for you Chelsea, when he says he is a little boy ghost, do we mean like he died
as a little boy and he is a ghost that way?
Or he has just been a ghost for a little while so he is like a little boy ghost.
It can't be both.
It depends on the person who is receiving the news I guess and whatever they think.
That's the point.
Would you call yourself a little boy ghost if you were just a new ghost?
Or would you call yourself a new ghost?
That might be the easiest way to convey it for Ouija board.
Or specifically if you've been channeled to a Jenga board.
I don't know how else to say it really.
Can a Jenga board convey anything else other than little boy ghost?
I don't think so.
I've only ever heard the Jengas board say little boy ghost.
It doesn't have a whole lot to say other than that.
Zozo loves watching his victims squirm with confusion and often times he takes pleasure
when one gullible human believes his lies.
Chelsea?
Zozo is very sadistic.
Have you ever squirmed from confusion?
Little.
It's uncomfortable if I'm too confused.
I'm just trying to picture what that looks like.
Does he ask them what is the sound of one hand clapping and they sit there for a second
and then just start like wiggling?
No.
Like you know the face of someone's confused.
I think he's like...
That's not a squirm.
A squirm is a full body process.
It could be if you're confused enough.
I've seen some pretty confused faces.
Okay.
So Zozo is very sadistic and loves watching friends fall out over his lies.
He is a master deceiver which is not surprising as the devil is claimed to be the father of
all lies.
And Zozo is a powerful devil in hell.
I thought he was a little boy ghost.
Yeah.
He's also a powerful devil in hell.
Possible encounters with Zozo include 1951.
Roland Doe was a boy who got possessed by Zozo.
After using the Ouija board he was eventually exercised after a violent process by priests.
If you don't know who Roland Doe is we've done a whole episode on him.
Really good episode.
I kept in and out referring to him as Ronald.
You did.
This is Roland.
It's a really good episode.
Roland Doe is who the exorcist is based on.
What's her name in the exorcist?
Reagan.
He's actually Roland and he's a boy.
I think it happened in Chicago.
Was it just because Reagan is...
Maybe not.
St. Louis or something.
Reagan is harder to not mispronounce.
That's probably why they did it.
You don't get confused between Ronald and Roland at all with Reagan.
There's no reynagg.
That's for sure.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't confuse up other letters to make it a new name.
Well, Ronald isn't a new name.
It's just a different name.
That's not Roland.
In 1972.
In Los Angeles.
A mother named Doris Blyther used a Ouija board and found herself haunted by a dark
entity which sought her and her family harm.
Very vague.
1977 and 1979.
Enfield Poltergeist in Enfield, England where a family got plagued by a malevolent force.
No more on that one.
May or may not be Zozo.
Well, I cannot be sure.
2012.
Tombstone, Nevada.
A small group of soldiers were off duty and decided to mess about with a Ouija board just
for fun.
They made contact with an alleged spirit who told them that he had died in Tombstone.
On the way back, one of the men got possessed and almost killed the others in a car crash
before the demon left him and regained consciousness.
Him or the demon?
Hard to say.
Good question.
In 2019, YouTuber Kyle Godfrey attempted to contact Zozo at 3am on his Ouija board.
An idea of Kyle and made contact with an entity who said it was Zozo.
Probably wasn't Zozo if it was straight up telling you.
However, Kyle took it further and asked the spirit if there is a specific phone number
for Zozo.
The entity gave him a number.
417-666-666.
When the number was called, the lights went out in his room during the phone call and
Poltergeist activity followed.
When Kyle ended the call, the lights came back on.
I find it suspicious that the phone number is there if it's that dangerous.
Yeah, but to be fair, Chelsea, do you want to know the creepiest part of this?
That area code is assigned to Missouri.
Hell is in Missouri.
I mean, that's where Zozo lives apparently.
It checks out.
It does check out.
Zozo lives in Missouri.
Now I got some Reddit stories.
User, PuzzleheadedWolf11.
Me and my best friend spent the entire summer talking with the spirit with a different name,
making friends with her.
Then one day it started going crazy and spelling Z-O-Z-O-Z-O-Z-O.
And it started getting nastier and scary.
I googled the name and the original blog post is mainly all that came up.
And this was years before the movie.
Apparently there's a movie.
So from my experience, it's not a phenomenon.
I think to those that didn't experience it.
It's like a bloody merry for people as for me as someone who googled because it came
through my board, then never let anything come through besides it to talk again.
It's very much real.
Gotta love those Reddit punctuations.
Oh, I like this username.
User.
Dad's nut milk line.
I don't know.
That is a little disturbing, but I giggled at it.
One time I was playing with my Ouija board with my friend.
I'll call her R for the sake of her privacy.
Me and R were in my basement.
I wonder if it was Reagan.
See?
Look at that.
I can remember that name.
No squirming with confusion.
And she wanted me to show her how to use a Ouija board.
We were asking basic questions like how old are you and what's your name?
And the board was answering without problems.
Eventually the board spelled out Z-O-Z-O.
And we hadn't even asked it a question.
It just did.
So we were now supposedly talking to Zozo, the infamous Ouija board demon.
I explained to R who Zozo was and we continued talking to him.
And I was kind of an idiot and I decided I would attempt to agrivate Zozo by basically
telling him he was not powerful and he didn't scare me.
Oh good.
That's a wise choice to add some nut milk.
Yep.
He claimed he couldn't so scary shit because he had a broken leg.
So I accused him of lying.
Zozo said he had a broken leg.
Wait, it's just a little boy ghost.
Give him a break.
After about half an hour of me being really stupid, Reagan asked the board what do you
want from us.
This is when shit got creepy.
It immediately spelled out die, D-I-E.
And simultaneously my nose started to bleed.
I ran upstairs to tell my mother what happened and she said it was probably a coincidence.
To this, I can just see the mum like laying on the couch half asleep being like shut up.
Had this happened in modern time there is a phone in front of her face and she's scrolling
right at us.
Yep.
So that board doesn't work and when I try to use it, it only moves in a figure eight
around the letters.
I had to purchase a new board and I've learned my lesson about aiging on demons.
So I guess I had to get to the end of the episode to tell you this but I picked two
entities for this episode.
So that's the end of the episode.
Well that would be the big surprise of this episode in fact.
That's the end.
So Chelsea, I'm just curious what your opinion is on this.
Zozo is a channeled entity.
Is the person channeling him or is the board channeling him?
Well the Ouija board is like a conduit.
So it's the channeling point?
So yes, I would say.
Unless, unless it's channeling through a person who's pushing the plan chat.
Well it all depends on the technicalities of how you think a Ouija board works.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, either one is possible.
That's a good point.
And I like Zozo.
He's got character.
I don't think we covered that in the movie.
Broken leg, he's just a little kid ghost in Missouri.
I feel bad for that board.
This is a good backstory.
We learned a lot about him.
So we could have probably had some much more technically channeled entities but these are
the outliers of channeled entities.
One was a disembodied voice by Alistair Crawley.
He probably didn't actually channel shades.
And so Zozo, who is just like a bad entity that you could encounter using the Ouija board?
Which is technically channeling.
Yeah, I think it's just a question of what.
Probably not what you're expecting coming here today.
Yeah, and I guess the real question is, is what is channeling it?
The entity.
Like I said, it's either the board or a person.
I think it's being channeled.
Technically it's channeled.
Either way it's being channeled.
It's just a question of through what.
It's just around.
And what was I going to say?
And in Crawley's defense, he was alive in the early 1900s where we had a ton of drugs
and not much understanding of what they were going to do to your body.
And he was a takin' em.
Like just all of em.
And climbing mountains too.
He sure was.
We have an episode on that.
Yeah, maybe he's a famous mountaineer.
Still holds records or something.
I can't quite remember.
Okay.
Well, Chelsea, thank you for that.
For now.
Yeah.
And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
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