From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where, like everywhere, we have to deal with
death.
And, mate, you know what?
Maybe we do it now.
We are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, here today, doing a Chelsea episode, and in
fact, she told me beforehand.
But, I think we're dealing with death.
Oaks on you!
We're dealing with life.
Oh, damn it!
It's like all these other episodes.
Yeah.
You only thought that I told you.
And really, I don't know, I got nothing.
Oh, god.
Today, I'm here not only to bridge the gap from Halloween to regular Journey to the Fringe
Life, but also between the living and the dead.
And what more of a perfect time to do that than the day after Halloween?
Well, the day after Halloween is All Saints' Day, which is where we...
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Did you not know that?
No.
No, November 1st is All Saints' Day, where we cherish and remember all of the saints.
Well, then maybe this episode is not appropriate, but we don't care.
Maybe this is about a saint.
And Chelsea, just so we're on the same page, to make a saint, one has to die.
There are no living saints.
Yeah, so we're going to deal with that today.
We're not going to murder anybody here.
We're going to learn about the Grim Reaper.
Yet.
Grim Reaper.
You know I'm to see him.
He's the Beroved Skeleton wielding a scythe, mostly dawning a deep hood, so he can't see
his face.
Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule.
And we know he's a skeleton in that deep robe though.
Sometimes you see like a glimpse of like a skeleton hand or something like that.
And leaves regarding what he's doing include a wide variety of things, but the most popular
are either that he's causing the victim's death by coming to collect that person's
soul.
It is taking part in the murder of that person, essentially.
He's causing that person's death.
Or the alternative being a psychopomp, which is responsible to escort newly deceased souls
to the afterlife and has no control over when or how the victim dies.
Just the escorting of the soul to the afterlife.
This has to be there, yeah.
It happens that they died so he was there.
Obviously, the rule is filled by other characters and entities and other cultures, the correct
term being psychopomp like I just called him, which actually I didn't know that.
It was even a thing before.
Is that French?
I don't know what it is.
Let me see if I can find out quick.
That sounds like crazy grapefruit in my mind.
It's from a Greek word.
Oh.
Literally meaning guiding of souls.
But the Greek word does not look like psychopomp at all.
So, guiding of souls are way more than I would ever think.
But alas, today I'm only talking about the Grim Reaper.
Could potentially be an episode in the future to talk about all the different ones you have
all over the world.
Psychopomps come in all shapes and sizes, as well as genders.
They exist in all cultures throughout all of recorded history.
Ancient people took a friendlier approach to death.
For example, Thanatos, the Greek god of death, was an attractive and noble-hearted young
man.
And the Velkeries, who decided which Norse soldiers would die in battle, were beautiful
and heroic women.
Well, they were not only, they didn't choose which soldiers died in battle, they chose
which ones would go to battle, how the fighting's a valiant life.
And I always find that so interesting with older requisitions of death, is that they aren't
necessarily talking about killing people, it's more so just like their job and what
they're looking at.
The turning point in our attitude towards death came in the 14th century, when Europe
was ravaged by the Black Plague.
Some cities, as many as one in five people, died from the plague.
Decaying bodies piled up in the streets and everyone had loved ones to grieve.
Not a great time to be alive.
During the plague, artists began painting death as a horrific figure, rather than…
Somebody doing their job, yeah, just a profession.
Yeah, exactly what Taylor just said.
Skeletons armed with deadly weapons danced among plague victims in the street and rode
white horses with wagens full of bodies attached.
Eventually, a black cloak figure, the first recognizable reaper, became appearing at the
head of these ghastly processions.
This dark costume and curved sight may have been inspired by plague doctors who wore
dark shrouds and bird-like masks to protect themselves from breathing infected air.
Which there is some similarities between the two, actually if you were to look at them
side by side.
Equally creepy, I would say.
One no more creepy than the other.
But also, I honestly love the death mask of the doctors at that time where they had
the bird kind of nose coming out and all the pulses inside it.
It couldn't have been a creepier mask, I don't think.
Yeah, no, you couldn't have tried to make it.
And that was like, that was their way of being like healthy.
So it's beautiful how they did it.
It served a purpose, that's for sure.
Yeah.
So the name Grim Reaper doesn't appear until the 19th century, although the Grim was a popular
nickname for death dating all the way back to the 13th century.
Huh.
It's a really cool history and the Grim Reaper is now our beloved personification of death
and it kind of emerges out of this kind of tradition as it became from Earl the Darkness.
But why the skeletal figure?
Why the scythe?
Why the robe?
Skeletons are symbolic of death.
Yeah, fair enough.
It makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, exactly.
Representing the human body after it has decayed.
Robe is thought to be reminiscent of the robes that religious figures of the time wore when
conducting funerary services.
That makes sense.
Scythe is an apt image taken from agricultural practices at the time.
Harvesters use scythe to reap or harvest crops that were ready to be plucked from the earth.
And while that's kind of what happens when humans die and the Grim Reaper comes for them,
they are plucked from the earth as if they are being harvested.
And it's kind of like he's explaining the cyclical nature of it, of souls, through harvesting
the crops.
That's always how I've kind of noticed it.
It's actually pretty cool.
Yeah, they're coming for them to harvest them.
The Grim Reaper is a complicated guy.
Sometimes he's a psychopath collecting a soul and others look at him as a harbinger of
death.
Actually, I forgot one when I was talking about why he comes.
There's also that other one where he's coming to predict somebody dying.
You see the Grim Reaper before someone dies, which is a little bit more terrifying.
Not really.
One is not more terrifying than the other.
I don't think whether you see him or not.
Let's be honest with that setup, I think we all have a pretty good idea going in of who
and what the Grim Reaper is as much as he likes to be a man in mystery.
So I'm filling this episode up with sightings.
Some I proofread, some I'm leaving wildcard because it's just who I am.
And let's start off with something super interesting that I stumbled upon from the online nursing
continuing education course.
Chelsea, before we start these, I am curious how close Grim Reaper sightings are to shadow
people sightings.
I didn't see anything where I could have said, you know what, that's a shadow person.
Okay, fair enough.
And I didn't come across any, we've read a lot of shadow person sightings and I've never
thought one might be the Grim Reaper.
But at the same time, like it's an entirely black or opaque character.
So you think that like it could be considered a shadow person.
So it's interesting.
That being said, I could think that some of these could be in your episode of Robe Figures.
Oh fair enough.
That's an interesting question.
Let's see what we think about it by the end, if we remember.
Okay.
Yeah, like I was saying, this is super cool.
I wasn't expecting to find this.
This is from the online nursing continuing education, which is online nursing continuing
education.com titled apparitions of the Grim Reaper.
Some individuals described seeing the Grim Reaper at the foot of their bed during a near
death experience and they eat.
The figure is described as wearing a hooded cloak, often faceless, but occasionally a
skeletal figure is visible underneath.
The figure often makes individuals feel cold.
Undoubtedly, this is a frightening experience.
Most report that the figure simply fades away when told to leave.
Ralph had an encounter with a Grim Reaper after being admitted to the hospital because
of a heart attack.
He reported suddenly feeling very cold below freezing at the foot of my bed on the right
side was a dark gray cloaked stranger.
He had no face.
How did you know it was a heat?
I didn't know.
I just knew.
The other thing I knew was I wasn't bad enough or sick enough to go with him.
Lawrence 1997.
Nurses also have reported seeing the Grim Reaper.
Here's an example.
I was running down the hall to my patient's room so I could relieve the nurse in charge.
I ran past this room across the central floor, nurses station, and had run past five rooms
before I registered what I saw.
I did not believe it.
I went back down the hall and stopped at the room.
I glanced into it.
On the bed was a little gray haired lady dressed in lace propped up with pillows.
Inside the bed stood this tall figure dressed in a monk's robe with its head covered.
It looked at me when I appeared in the door.
His face was a skull with tiny red fire for eyes.
His hands skeletal were patiently folded over each other inside the dark sleeves.
My impression was he was just patiently waiting.
Tchavinsky 1997.
The Grim Reaper is not always reported as a frightening figure.
Sometimes he is helpful.
A man reported being on his couch one evening watching television.
He saw the cloaked figure of the Grim Reaper.
Realizing someone was close to death, he ran upstairs and found that his wife had attempted
suicide.
He was able to call an ambulance in time to save his wife.
Tchavinsky 1992.
In our book Dancing Past the Dark, The Stressing Near Death Experiences, the author Nancy Bush
describes not only distressing near death experiences but also distressing death bed
visions.
Based on the information in this book, these Grim Reaper experiences could well be called
distressing near death visits.
As described in this course, these experiences are similar to the previously described near
death visits but felt as distressing.
In these cases of distressing near death visits, the patients perceive a figure as frightening,
thus naming it the Grim Reaper.
A parallel could be made with a patient who saw a hooded faceless figure but instead of
being distressed, interpreted the image positively being the figure to be Jesus.
From the research about distressing experiences, we now believe that there are distressing
near death experiences, distressing death bed visions, and distressing near death visits.
In all three cases, the distresses can come from the way a person interprets the image
and or experience not necessarily what is said or done.
I thought that was just a good point so I left it in the end.
But I thought that was so cool that it was on a continuing education course.
Yeah.
That's not somebody who's directly worried about him.
Like, oh shit, he's coming for me because I'm about to die.
No, but close enough to death to have sightings.
Exactly, yeah.
So my next few are from nurses because I didn't even think to include nurses when I came across
that.
So I was looking for nurse encounters and I have a few coming up here.
So quote, a nurse friend worked in a nursing home and one of her patients, a man in his
80s whom we'll call Sam, was rumored to have been involved with one of the most infamous
crime families.
He may have actually been a hit man and had spent many years in prison before being paroled
as an elderly man.
One night while assisting a patient, she suddenly heard a man screaming.
She and the patient both looked into the hallway outside the room and were horrified to see
Sam being dragged down the hallway by two figures dressed in all black.
She dropped what she was doing and dashed into the hallway but there is no one there.
The exit door at the end of the hallway was still closed, locked to the outside and the
alarm was on but silent.
Two other residents who routinely kept their room doors open at night had also seen the
same black clad figures drag and Sam down the hallway toward the locked door.
Running back to Sam's room, she found that he had passed away quietly in his bed and
nothing in his room had been disturbed.
She and the residents were convinced that on that night they saw Sam's soul being dragged
to hell.
End quote.
Next up, this is a story that's going around TikTok right now.
I'm at TeddyLove302 on TikTok.
And she's a hospice nurse who explains that she was at her station one night and she swore
she saw a strange hand brush the face of one of her sleeping patients.
She knew there was no one in the room and rushed in to confirm that indeed the patient
was all alone.
Still, she claims she saw something and could not figure out what she had witnessed.
Later she wondered if perhaps she caught a glimpse of the Grim Reaper himself and wondered
if it meant the patient was at the end of their journey.
Sure enough, when she arrived for her shift the following day she learned that the patient
had died.
In the comments, other medical workers chime in and they say they too have witnessed similar
occurrences and that the Angel of Death is very real in the hospice space.
Okay, next one.
This is Reddit.
Reddit user expensiverooster43.
He's at my work sometimes.
He does rounds days up to months before he takes them.
I can see him in my peripheral view.
I don't acknowledge him by looking at him but I will tell my co-workers he's back and
they'll acknowledge they either saw him or experienced other paranormal activity around
the same time.
I laugh because a bunch of people commented on this asking where this person worked and
they didn't actually reply.
So I'm gonna assume it's a hospital.
That's the only thing that would make logical sense to me.
And another thing I want to note at this time is a lot of people say when they have sightings
of the green reaper that it's only in their peripheral vision which is funny to say the
least I think.
Though I know a lot of sightings of paranormal things are in the peripheral vision.
Here's another good one.
We're getting away from the hospital scene and I'm jumping over to a book called Gods
of Eden by William Bramley and this is from page 185.
It's titled on this page Grim Reaper.
Fascinatingly there were also accounts of horrible men, demons and fearful faces dressed
in black and carrying long sights, brooms and swords that were directly associated with
plague outbreaks.
A second phenomenon was sometimes reported.
The appearance of frightening human-like figures dressed in black.
Those figures were often seen on the outskirts of town or village and their presence would
signal the outbreak of an epidemic almost immediately.
A summary written in 1682 tells of one such visit a century earlier.
Quote in Brandenburg in Germany, there appeared in 1559 horrible men of whom at first 15 and
later on 12 were seen.
The foremost had beside their posterior little heads the other's fearful faces and long
sights with which they cut at the oats so that the swish could be heard at a great distance
but the oats remained standing.
An quantity of people came running out to see them they went on with their mowing.
The visit of the strange men to the oat fields was followed immediately by a severe outbreak
of the plague in Brandenburg.
This incident raises in treating questions who were these mysterious figures?
What were the long scythe-like instruments they held that emitted a loud swishing sound
sounds like a scythe?
It appears that the scythe may have been long instruments designed to spray poison or germ
laden gas.
This means that the townspeople misinterpreted the movement of the scythe as an attempt to
cut oats when in fact the movements were the active spraying aerosols on the town.
Similar men dressed in black were reported in Hungary.
In the mountain towns of Hungary on ascension day in the evening to the great disturbance
of all went on the Schulersburg.
They appeared so many black riders that the opinion was prevalent that the Turks were
making the secret raid but who rapidly disappeared again and there upon a raging plague broke
out in the neighborhood in the year of Christ 1571 was seen at Amnist.
Each man dressed in black, demons and other terrifying figures were observed in other
European communities.
The frightening creatures were often observed carrying long brooms, scythe or swords that
were used to sweep or knock at the doors of people's homes.
The inhabitants of these homes fell ill with the plague afterwards.
It is from these reports that people created the popular image of death as a skeleton or
deeming carrying a scythe.
The scythe came to symbolize the act of death bowing down people like Stoxa Grain.
End of the whole section of this.
I thought that was a super interesting one.
It's not really the pop culture.
This is kind of a different, not just take but different.
It's a softer one for sure.
Yeah, this one is almost like, I don't know if it's Grim Reaper's per se but they were
people showing up prior to an outbreak happening in certain areas and they could be Grim Reapers
actually but then they say that they were spraying something so I'm not sure what to
make of that other than they might have been the plague doctors.
I don't know.
I thought that was creepy nonetheless to think of people showing up in towns dressed like
Grim Reapers or something.
So we'll move on from that to more Reddit encounters and these ones are wildcards.
They are not hospitals or anything.
They are just people giving sightings of the Grim Reaper.
So yous are deleted.
As a person who has medically died multiple times I want to say what you saw is probably
a Reaper.
Granted you saw the black figure because it probably wasn't after you.
My experience with Reapers is that they take the form of something that comforts you.
Only I believe they can alter space and time because I could see the doctors and I'm screaming
but I can't hear them and they can't hear me.
Then someone special to me was in a chair and ended up talking about my whole life including
stuff you forget.
I think they take the form to help comfort you moving on but I got the defrauder later
so it ended there.
Not entirely sure why you could see them though.
Usually something has to die.
But on this one it was a post of someone sharing a Grim Reaper experience.
That's why he's saying not sure why you could see them though.
Next sighting user it is what Otis?
I don't know.
It is what Ot is.
I don't know.
So I was actually looking for one of these to comment on because my biological grandmother
was incredibly convinced that my biological father was a psychic medium or you could
call it a prophet.
We could if it's a cult.
We also have native blood and my father was associated with eagles or birds.
I've had a lot of religious experiences in my life and have had good understanding of
psychology which obviously totally rejects spiritual experiences and you walk a fine
line whenever you discuss it.
I've seen the future probably over 40 times in my lifetime.
Very detailed.
If you say you saw something like a ghost people assume it's schizophrenia but I can't
shake off an experience I had.
My mind could have been playing tricks on me but I was listening to a song called Directions
by Nacko and Medicine for People which calls out on grandparents for guidance.
It has a feel about it that is a lot like native prayer.
My cat suddenly started saying my grandmother's name plain and clear.
My grandpa is deceased.
I tried to get it on camera but I failed although it was definitely happening.
He never said her name before and it was clearly her name almost like a human saying
it.
It happened for several weeks and prior to it stopping I was certain I saw the Grim Reaper
and a black road with the hood up was a person and my cat was saying my grandma's name plus
something that sounded like where are you.
I thought that I might be getting a warning that I was about to die but then about 3-4
months later my grandmother passed away.
What a weird sighting this is.
My cat had already stopped saying her name about 3 months prior and it only happened
for 2 weeks.
That is why I think the Grim Reaper does usher people between and I don't think the Grim
Reaper is a demon.
I think you can see the spiritual world but only some people.
That is why I know I didn't understand that he was coming for my grandma but I understood
later.
I felt a little bit of anxiety but not scared either.
I was mostly confused about how to interpret it.
It was a person maybe 5'5 or 5'6 and in a black cloak with a hood couldn't see the
face and they were not looking at me just kind of about 3 feet away.
My cat just kept saying my grandma's name over and over again which I thought maybe
my grandpa who was already dead was looking for my grandma.
I had no idea my grandma was about to die either.
I thought maybe I was going to die.
Completely silent hooded figure too.
I've had weird experiences before we had a house that used to have doors that would
slam shut and we moved in whenever I was around and we moved in whenever I was around
12 feet away.
I'm sorry Chelsea did we just stop talking about the like short Grim Reaper and start
talking about the house?
Okay.
I never brought it up but when I was alone the door downstairs to the bathroom that connected
to another room used to slam shut when I was down there sometimes that was a long time
ago though too I remember things felt different there.
So that was clearly one that I didn't proofread so I'm experiencing this fresh with you live.
That was quite strange.
I don't know why he thinks it is not weird that the cat was saying his grandma's name
or that it was like a 5'6 Grim Reaper that just kind of showed up.
Not that tall he was kind of short actually.
He's my height he's not tall.
Yeah.
That was weird.
Why was the cat saying the grandma's name?
Okay.
User E3-dash.
I personally have never seen anything paranormal but my dad swears he saw the Grim Reaper.
It was a pretty dark time in his life around that time.
Anytime we ask him about it his hair stand up.
He said could you imagine if you could physically see someone's hair standing up when they're
a creeped out?
You usually just like get a sensation it's not like they actually stand up.
That would be great.
Like wow are you creeped out your hair is literally standing right up.
I feel like you make that a certain fact right there.
Yeah.
But you can't just creep someone out on demand.
Has to be like you have to be camping in the woods you have to be listening to a scary
story and be in a tent.
Already established this on Friday the 13th.
He says he was outside at night smoking a cigarette and felt somebody breathing on his
neck and his hair stood up.
He looked back and saw a figure wearing a hood and he couldn't see a face.
It's pretty interesting he's seen a lot.
Had to look behind me that creeps me out.
Would you rather feel someone breathing on your neck and it be the Grim Reaper or they
put their skeleton hand on your shoulder?
You got an answer.
You got a what one?
Probably the shoulder.
The skeleton hand?
Yeah.
Breathing on the neck.
Oh that actually sounds pretty bad.
Don't like that.
Okay.
User Blondie 1967.
When I was about 14 years old I was going to my mate's house.
This was about a five minute walk.
Oh no they're Australian.
I know that's what I thought too.
Shit.
It was thick fog about November time.
I had to walk by a green which is a grassed area a bit like a roundabout but down a suburban
street not a main road.
There is a really big tree on this green a weeping willow.
I bet it was a nice freaking weeping willow.
As I was walking along I saw what I can only describe as the Grim Reaper.
Do it next to the big tree.
All in black a big hood covering the face just stood staring at me in the fog.
Don't remember seeing a scythe.
I remember staring back frozen to the spot thinking what's going on.
It didn't speak.
It didn't move.
Just stood staring.
I ran to my mate's house I would fucking run to I think.
Banging on the door my mate's dad and brother went out to see if they could see anything
but after being gone about 20 minutes they returned.
They couldn't see anyone.
I've never seen it since but I won't forget that night.
Oh that's a creepy one.
That is.
I felt like I could understand what was going on because it was Australian.
It's true.
You can't understand that language.
I'm surprised I read it so flawlessly though.
Yeah I mean you helped a lot.
I know.
I do what I can.
These are MacGyver Fiverr.
I was walking down the street on my way to return someone's favorite coffee cup so I
was like super busy or else I would have stopped and walked right up to him talking
about what's up brah because I was in the middle of like so many fucking paranormal
situations all at once but it wasn't nothing new to me.
Ended up seeing him standing over in the distance beside a highway just watching the
traffic and enjoying the weather with a black cape on with the hood on holding a stick about
as tall as he was with an axe looking thingy off of it.
What am I reading?
I have read somewhere that he has something to do with the Revolutionary War and or the
Civil War but I don't know.
If you have any idea the relationship between them I'd be interested to find out as it turns
out there is a ghost or spirit.
I don't know the difference between the two.
That is like 272 years old who fought in the Revolutionary War.
I have a reason to believe that he is my great great great grandfather.
I'd like to find out what his name is and then my granddad's dad was in the Civil War
oh well so that that.
Okay?
Oh that was a good story.
I'm really liking actually the despondence between the stories that you told prior Reddit
where they were definitely like people were dying and now now the it's a Grim Reaper shape.
I agree Grim Reaper hate shape but not Grim Reaper activities going on.
This one wanted to go up to him and say what's up brah but he was too busy and then there
was a cat talking.
True teller 001 just came across this post.
I had a crazy repeat encounter when I lived in Brooklyn, New York.
My brother and I were about 5 and 6 so when we began seeing a man in a hood holding a
large stick just standing on a rooftop that was about 3 buildings away.
We were about 5 stories up and our window had bars on them for safety.
Our window looked down at where the man would stand every single day with his back facing
us.
This happened for about 2 or 3 days until one day the man turned around but it wasn't
a man.
He had a skeleton face and we heard a voice come from the walls telling us stay away from
the window or I'll come for you.
The figure didn't eat or sleep he just stood there all the time and he seemed to know whenever
we would open the curtain and look out the window.
We didn't know anything about a Grim Reaper at the time so we called him Skeletor because
he looked like the character from He-Man.
We told our parents about Skeletor on the roof but the adults couldn't see him for
some reason.
Cousins came over and also saw him.
One day while we were playing hide and go seek we decided to turn the lights out in
our bathroom and when we tried to turn it back on the lights would not come on.
Tried to leave the bathroom but the door wouldn't open.
Then a voice came from the small bathroom window don't worry I'll come and get you.
We were scared to death.
Also we tried to test him one day and decided to see what he would do if we didn't obey
his order to stay away from the window.
Figure walked off to the right until we could no longer see it and as soon as he was out
of sight there was a loud knock at the door.
It was literally a few seconds after he cleared the window frame.
There was no possible way a person could get down flights of stairs and then walk over
to our building and go back up 5 stories to our apartment in that amount of time.
We begged our mom not to answer the door but she thought we were imagining things.
She answered the door and nobody was there.
From then on we stayed away from the window.
Your story about nobody seeing the figure you saw shook me same with us but we remember
till this day.
That one I didn't know what to make of that which is why it made it in.
Yeah it's different like categorically different from everything we've talked about.
I would say there's two categories before that and this is a distinct third grade there.
So you'll notice in my sightings that I specifically did physical sightings only.
There's a whole other genre out there about those who see the Grim Reaper in their dreams.
And like I mentioned in the beginning of the story there's also kind of the stigma I guess
around the Grim Reaper that he also signifies somebody in your life is going to pass away.
Not only that he's coming to collect a soul and to usher it to the other side or causing
it.
I've never seen anything in my research that would say that he's causing someone's death.
And again it's all on perception.
And then I also saw the stories where like I just said with it's all on perception where
it was in the nursing thing I think that it's in perception.
Because some people think it's Jesus where others see the Grim Reaper.
And then there's others that made the comparison to the Grim Reaper of near death experience
experiences.
And this might be something for another episode where people cross over and right before they
died they say you know their husband waiting for them their mother waiting for them and
saying come with me or something like that.
And that's also compared to the Grim Reaper because it's that happens a lot but that's
also not the Grim Reaper like the Grim Reaper is a very specific character.
Yes.
Which I agree.
Which is why I didn't put it in here but it's the same comparison of the Psycho Pomp which
might be something to look into in a future episode as well because it's all on how you're
perceiving whatever instance it is.
And then there's also a whole other thing of you know people coming for you when you
die near death experiences something and stuff like that.
There's also the perception of really bad near death experiences which is terrifying
and also super interesting.
And so I just talked myself in a circle because I was also talking about how I didn't include
anything of dreams but I did want to throw in here as my last story because I am renownly
a sleepwalker it's came up a few times in our episodes and I myself have woken up more
than likely sleepwalking and have seen the Grim Reaper myself.
I woke up looked at the Grim Reaper literally standing there with his big cloak with a scythe
you could see his skeleton hands and I said oh it's the Grim Reaper and I laid back down
and fell asleep.
I have seen him and that's the funny thing about sleepwalking is it's a dream and I interact
with things but I wanted to share my own experience.
Importantly just like seeing the Grim Reaper it's how everybody experiences it and will
feel other people judge them when they tell them about it.
Yeah so don't judge me.
Yeah.
I saw him.
Yeah I think that's fair.
I mean it didn't shake me that I couldn't fall back asleep after it.
But A.O. Chelsea after reading these stories do you feel like this is a character who's
actually doing anything or just kind of waiting for things to happen?
You get that feeling don't you that he's just kind of waiting.
Yeah.
In which case.
He's got no actions throughout like pretty much all of the stories it's just like oh
yeah and he was there.
I got the same feeling and it didn't make that big of an appearance in this episode.
That's why I kind of had to stress it at the end but he does seem like he's more of a
predictor of somebody who's going to die soon.
Yeah.
And then once you start having sightings around them especially the nurses that have had the
sightings and there's that cool show that's one of my favorite Dead Like Me.
That's such a good show.
I love that show.
And they're passed over and they have their own jobs of being grim reapers so they have
to go collect a soul before the person dies.
See I was thinking more of Discworld but there were no punny reactions from death so it's
not quite the same.
Discworld?
Discworld yes.
Sounds like a DJ.
Well it's Terry Pratchett so you get what you get.
Okay.
But yeah Chelsea I think this is a great place to stop.
This is a very interesting character to look at and I know we restricted it to just like
a North American standpoint so there are many different ways we can look at this going forward.
So I don't think this won't be our only parlay with death going forward but I think it will
at least be our first.
At least.
And with that I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
We are journey to the fringe.
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.
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