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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where, like everywhere, we have to deal with

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death.

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And, mate, you know what?

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Maybe we do it now.

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We are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, here today, doing a Chelsea episode, and in

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fact, she told me beforehand.

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But, I think we're dealing with death.

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Oaks on you!

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We're dealing with life.

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Oh, damn it!

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It's like all these other episodes.

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Yeah.

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You only thought that I told you.

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And really, I don't know, I got nothing.

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Oh, god.

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Today, I'm here not only to bridge the gap from Halloween to regular Journey to the Fringe

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Life, but also between the living and the dead.

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And what more of a perfect time to do that than the day after Halloween?

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Well, the day after Halloween is All Saints' Day, which is where we...

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Are you serious?

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Yeah.

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Did you not know that?

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No.

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No, November 1st is All Saints' Day, where we cherish and remember all of the saints.

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Well, then maybe this episode is not appropriate, but we don't care.

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Maybe this is about a saint.

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And Chelsea, just so we're on the same page, to make a saint, one has to die.

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There are no living saints.

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Yeah, so we're going to deal with that today.

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We're not going to murder anybody here.

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We're going to learn about the Grim Reaper.

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Yet.

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Grim Reaper.

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You know I'm to see him.

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He's the Beroved Skeleton wielding a scythe, mostly dawning a deep hood, so he can't see

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his face.

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Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule.

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And we know he's a skeleton in that deep robe though.

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Sometimes you see like a glimpse of like a skeleton hand or something like that.

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And leaves regarding what he's doing include a wide variety of things, but the most popular

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are either that he's causing the victim's death by coming to collect that person's

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soul.

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It is taking part in the murder of that person, essentially.

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He's causing that person's death.

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Or the alternative being a psychopomp, which is responsible to escort newly deceased souls

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to the afterlife and has no control over when or how the victim dies.

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Just the escorting of the soul to the afterlife.

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This has to be there, yeah.

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It happens that they died so he was there.

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Obviously, the rule is filled by other characters and entities and other cultures, the correct

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term being psychopomp like I just called him, which actually I didn't know that.

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It was even a thing before.

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Is that French?

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I don't know what it is.

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Let me see if I can find out quick.

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That sounds like crazy grapefruit in my mind.

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It's from a Greek word.

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Oh.

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Literally meaning guiding of souls.

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But the Greek word does not look like psychopomp at all.

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So, guiding of souls are way more than I would ever think.

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But alas, today I'm only talking about the Grim Reaper.

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Could potentially be an episode in the future to talk about all the different ones you have

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all over the world.

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Psychopomps come in all shapes and sizes, as well as genders.

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They exist in all cultures throughout all of recorded history.

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Ancient people took a friendlier approach to death.

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For example, Thanatos, the Greek god of death, was an attractive and noble-hearted young

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man.

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And the Velkeries, who decided which Norse soldiers would die in battle, were beautiful

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and heroic women.

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Well, they were not only, they didn't choose which soldiers died in battle, they chose

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which ones would go to battle, how the fighting's a valiant life.

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And I always find that so interesting with older requisitions of death, is that they aren't

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necessarily talking about killing people, it's more so just like their job and what

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they're looking at.

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The turning point in our attitude towards death came in the 14th century, when Europe

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was ravaged by the Black Plague.

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Some cities, as many as one in five people, died from the plague.

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Decaying bodies piled up in the streets and everyone had loved ones to grieve.

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Not a great time to be alive.

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During the plague, artists began painting death as a horrific figure, rather than…

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Somebody doing their job, yeah, just a profession.

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Yeah, exactly what Taylor just said.

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Skeletons armed with deadly weapons danced among plague victims in the street and rode

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white horses with wagens full of bodies attached.

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Eventually, a black cloak figure, the first recognizable reaper, became appearing at the

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head of these ghastly processions.

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This dark costume and curved sight may have been inspired by plague doctors who wore

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dark shrouds and bird-like masks to protect themselves from breathing infected air.

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Which there is some similarities between the two, actually if you were to look at them

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side by side.

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Equally creepy, I would say.

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One no more creepy than the other.

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But also, I honestly love the death mask of the doctors at that time where they had

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the bird kind of nose coming out and all the pulses inside it.

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It couldn't have been a creepier mask, I don't think.

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Yeah, no, you couldn't have tried to make it.

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And that was like, that was their way of being like healthy.

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So it's beautiful how they did it.

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It served a purpose, that's for sure.

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So the name Grim Reaper doesn't appear until the 19th century, although the Grim was a popular

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nickname for death dating all the way back to the 13th century.

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Huh.

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It's a really cool history and the Grim Reaper is now our beloved personification of death

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and it kind of emerges out of this kind of tradition as it became from Earl the Darkness.

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But why the skeletal figure?

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Why the scythe?

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Why the robe?

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Skeletons are symbolic of death.

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It makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Representing the human body after it has decayed.

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Robe is thought to be reminiscent of the robes that religious figures of the time wore when

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conducting funerary services.

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That makes sense.

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Scythe is an apt image taken from agricultural practices at the time.

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Harvesters use scythe to reap or harvest crops that were ready to be plucked from the earth.

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And while that's kind of what happens when humans die and the Grim Reaper comes for them,

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they are plucked from the earth as if they are being harvested.

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And it's kind of like he's explaining the cyclical nature of it, of souls, through harvesting

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the crops.

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That's always how I've kind of noticed it.

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It's actually pretty cool.

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Yeah, they're coming for them to harvest them.

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The Grim Reaper is a complicated guy.

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Sometimes he's a psychopath collecting a soul and others look at him as a harbinger of

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death.

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Actually, I forgot one when I was talking about why he comes.

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There's also that other one where he's coming to predict somebody dying.

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You see the Grim Reaper before someone dies, which is a little bit more terrifying.

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Not really.

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One is not more terrifying than the other.

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I don't think whether you see him or not.

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Let's be honest with that setup, I think we all have a pretty good idea going in of who

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and what the Grim Reaper is as much as he likes to be a man in mystery.

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So I'm filling this episode up with sightings.

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Some I proofread, some I'm leaving wildcard because it's just who I am.

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And let's start off with something super interesting that I stumbled upon from the online nursing

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continuing education course.

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Chelsea, before we start these, I am curious how close Grim Reaper sightings are to shadow

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people sightings.

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I didn't see anything where I could have said, you know what, that's a shadow person.

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Okay, fair enough.

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And I didn't come across any, we've read a lot of shadow person sightings and I've never

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thought one might be the Grim Reaper.

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But at the same time, like it's an entirely black or opaque character.

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So you think that like it could be considered a shadow person.

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So it's interesting.

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That being said, I could think that some of these could be in your episode of Robe Figures.

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Oh fair enough.

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That's an interesting question.

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Let's see what we think about it by the end, if we remember.

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Yeah, like I was saying, this is super cool.

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I wasn't expecting to find this.

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This is from the online nursing continuing education, which is online nursing continuing

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education.com titled apparitions of the Grim Reaper.

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Some individuals described seeing the Grim Reaper at the foot of their bed during a near

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death experience and they eat.

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The figure is described as wearing a hooded cloak, often faceless, but occasionally a

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skeletal figure is visible underneath.

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The figure often makes individuals feel cold.

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Undoubtedly, this is a frightening experience.

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Most report that the figure simply fades away when told to leave.

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Ralph had an encounter with a Grim Reaper after being admitted to the hospital because

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of a heart attack.

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He reported suddenly feeling very cold below freezing at the foot of my bed on the right

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side was a dark gray cloaked stranger.

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He had no face.

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How did you know it was a heat?

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I didn't know.

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I just knew.

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The other thing I knew was I wasn't bad enough or sick enough to go with him.

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Lawrence 1997.

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Nurses also have reported seeing the Grim Reaper.

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Here's an example.

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I was running down the hall to my patient's room so I could relieve the nurse in charge.

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I ran past this room across the central floor, nurses station, and had run past five rooms

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before I registered what I saw.

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I did not believe it.

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I went back down the hall and stopped at the room.

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I glanced into it.

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On the bed was a little gray haired lady dressed in lace propped up with pillows.

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Inside the bed stood this tall figure dressed in a monk's robe with its head covered.

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It looked at me when I appeared in the door.

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His face was a skull with tiny red fire for eyes.

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His hands skeletal were patiently folded over each other inside the dark sleeves.

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My impression was he was just patiently waiting.

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The Grim Reaper is not always reported as a frightening figure.

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Sometimes he is helpful.

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A man reported being on his couch one evening watching television.

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He saw the cloaked figure of the Grim Reaper.

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Realizing someone was close to death, he ran upstairs and found that his wife had attempted

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suicide.

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He was able to call an ambulance in time to save his wife.

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Tchavinsky 1992.

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In our book Dancing Past the Dark, The Stressing Near Death Experiences, the author Nancy Bush

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describes not only distressing near death experiences but also distressing death bed

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visions.

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Based on the information in this book, these Grim Reaper experiences could well be called

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distressing near death visits.

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As described in this course, these experiences are similar to the previously described near

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death visits but felt as distressing.

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In these cases of distressing near death visits, the patients perceive a figure as frightening,

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thus naming it the Grim Reaper.

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A parallel could be made with a patient who saw a hooded faceless figure but instead of

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being distressed, interpreted the image positively being the figure to be Jesus.

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From the research about distressing experiences, we now believe that there are distressing

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near death experiences, distressing death bed visions, and distressing near death visits.

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In all three cases, the distresses can come from the way a person interprets the image

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and or experience not necessarily what is said or done.

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I thought that was just a good point so I left it in the end.

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But I thought that was so cool that it was on a continuing education course.

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That's not somebody who's directly worried about him.

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Like, oh shit, he's coming for me because I'm about to die.

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No, but close enough to death to have sightings.

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So my next few are from nurses because I didn't even think to include nurses when I came across

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that.

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So I was looking for nurse encounters and I have a few coming up here.

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So quote, a nurse friend worked in a nursing home and one of her patients, a man in his

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80s whom we'll call Sam, was rumored to have been involved with one of the most infamous

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crime families.

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He may have actually been a hit man and had spent many years in prison before being paroled

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as an elderly man.

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One night while assisting a patient, she suddenly heard a man screaming.

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She and the patient both looked into the hallway outside the room and were horrified to see

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Sam being dragged down the hallway by two figures dressed in all black.

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She dropped what she was doing and dashed into the hallway but there is no one there.

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The exit door at the end of the hallway was still closed, locked to the outside and the

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alarm was on but silent.

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Two other residents who routinely kept their room doors open at night had also seen the

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same black clad figures drag and Sam down the hallway toward the locked door.

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Running back to Sam's room, she found that he had passed away quietly in his bed and

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nothing in his room had been disturbed.

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She and the residents were convinced that on that night they saw Sam's soul being dragged

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to hell.

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End quote.

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Next up, this is a story that's going around TikTok right now.

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I'm at TeddyLove302 on TikTok.

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And she's a hospice nurse who explains that she was at her station one night and she swore

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she saw a strange hand brush the face of one of her sleeping patients.

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She knew there was no one in the room and rushed in to confirm that indeed the patient

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was all alone.

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Still, she claims she saw something and could not figure out what she had witnessed.

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Later she wondered if perhaps she caught a glimpse of the Grim Reaper himself and wondered

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if it meant the patient was at the end of their journey.

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Sure enough, when she arrived for her shift the following day she learned that the patient

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had died.

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In the comments, other medical workers chime in and they say they too have witnessed similar

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occurrences and that the Angel of Death is very real in the hospice space.

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Okay, next one.

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This is Reddit.

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Reddit user expensiverooster43.

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He's at my work sometimes.

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He does rounds days up to months before he takes them.

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I can see him in my peripheral view.

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I don't acknowledge him by looking at him but I will tell my co-workers he's back and

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they'll acknowledge they either saw him or experienced other paranormal activity around

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the same time.

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I laugh because a bunch of people commented on this asking where this person worked and

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they didn't actually reply.

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So I'm gonna assume it's a hospital.

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That's the only thing that would make logical sense to me.

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And another thing I want to note at this time is a lot of people say when they have sightings

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of the green reaper that it's only in their peripheral vision which is funny to say the

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least I think.

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Though I know a lot of sightings of paranormal things are in the peripheral vision.

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Here's another good one.

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We're getting away from the hospital scene and I'm jumping over to a book called Gods

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of Eden by William Bramley and this is from page 185.

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It's titled on this page Grim Reaper.

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Fascinatingly there were also accounts of horrible men, demons and fearful faces dressed

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in black and carrying long sights, brooms and swords that were directly associated with

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plague outbreaks.

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A second phenomenon was sometimes reported.

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The appearance of frightening human-like figures dressed in black.

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Those figures were often seen on the outskirts of town or village and their presence would

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signal the outbreak of an epidemic almost immediately.

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A summary written in 1682 tells of one such visit a century earlier.

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Quote in Brandenburg in Germany, there appeared in 1559 horrible men of whom at first 15 and

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later on 12 were seen.

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The foremost had beside their posterior little heads the other's fearful faces and long

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sights with which they cut at the oats so that the swish could be heard at a great distance

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but the oats remained standing.

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An quantity of people came running out to see them they went on with their mowing.

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The visit of the strange men to the oat fields was followed immediately by a severe outbreak

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of the plague in Brandenburg.

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This incident raises in treating questions who were these mysterious figures?

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What were the long scythe-like instruments they held that emitted a loud swishing sound

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sounds like a scythe?

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It appears that the scythe may have been long instruments designed to spray poison or germ

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laden gas.

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This means that the townspeople misinterpreted the movement of the scythe as an attempt to

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cut oats when in fact the movements were the active spraying aerosols on the town.

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Similar men dressed in black were reported in Hungary.

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In the mountain towns of Hungary on ascension day in the evening to the great disturbance

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of all went on the Schulersburg.

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They appeared so many black riders that the opinion was prevalent that the Turks were

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making the secret raid but who rapidly disappeared again and there upon a raging plague broke

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out in the neighborhood in the year of Christ 1571 was seen at Amnist.

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Each man dressed in black, demons and other terrifying figures were observed in other

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European communities.

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The frightening creatures were often observed carrying long brooms, scythe or swords that

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were used to sweep or knock at the doors of people's homes.

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The inhabitants of these homes fell ill with the plague afterwards.

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It is from these reports that people created the popular image of death as a skeleton or

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deeming carrying a scythe.

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The scythe came to symbolize the act of death bowing down people like Stoxa Grain.

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End of the whole section of this.

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I thought that was a super interesting one.

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It's not really the pop culture.

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This is kind of a different, not just take but different.

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It's a softer one for sure.

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Yeah, this one is almost like, I don't know if it's Grim Reaper's per se but they were

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people showing up prior to an outbreak happening in certain areas and they could be Grim Reapers

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actually but then they say that they were spraying something so I'm not sure what to

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make of that other than they might have been the plague doctors.

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I don't know.

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I thought that was creepy nonetheless to think of people showing up in towns dressed like

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Grim Reapers or something.

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So we'll move on from that to more Reddit encounters and these ones are wildcards.

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They are not hospitals or anything.

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They are just people giving sightings of the Grim Reaper.

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So yous are deleted.

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As a person who has medically died multiple times I want to say what you saw is probably

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a Reaper.

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Granted you saw the black figure because it probably wasn't after you.

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My experience with Reapers is that they take the form of something that comforts you.

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Only I believe they can alter space and time because I could see the doctors and I'm screaming

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but I can't hear them and they can't hear me.

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Then someone special to me was in a chair and ended up talking about my whole life including

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stuff you forget.

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I think they take the form to help comfort you moving on but I got the defrauder later

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so it ended there.

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Not entirely sure why you could see them though.

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Usually something has to die.

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But on this one it was a post of someone sharing a Grim Reaper experience.

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That's why he's saying not sure why you could see them though.

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Next sighting user it is what Otis?

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I don't know.

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It is what Ot is.

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I don't know.

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So I was actually looking for one of these to comment on because my biological grandmother

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was incredibly convinced that my biological father was a psychic medium or you could

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call it a prophet.

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We could if it's a cult.

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We also have native blood and my father was associated with eagles or birds.

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I've had a lot of religious experiences in my life and have had good understanding of

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psychology which obviously totally rejects spiritual experiences and you walk a fine

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line whenever you discuss it.

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I've seen the future probably over 40 times in my lifetime.

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Very detailed.

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If you say you saw something like a ghost people assume it's schizophrenia but I can't

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shake off an experience I had.

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My mind could have been playing tricks on me but I was listening to a song called Directions

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by Nacko and Medicine for People which calls out on grandparents for guidance.

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It has a feel about it that is a lot like native prayer.

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My cat suddenly started saying my grandmother's name plain and clear.

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My grandpa is deceased.

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I tried to get it on camera but I failed although it was definitely happening.

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He never said her name before and it was clearly her name almost like a human saying

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it.

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It happened for several weeks and prior to it stopping I was certain I saw the Grim Reaper

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and a black road with the hood up was a person and my cat was saying my grandma's name plus

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something that sounded like where are you.

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I thought that I might be getting a warning that I was about to die but then about 3-4

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months later my grandmother passed away.

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What a weird sighting this is.

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My cat had already stopped saying her name about 3 months prior and it only happened

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for 2 weeks.

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That is why I think the Grim Reaper does usher people between and I don't think the Grim

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Reaper is a demon.

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I think you can see the spiritual world but only some people.

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That is why I know I didn't understand that he was coming for my grandma but I understood

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later.

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I felt a little bit of anxiety but not scared either.

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I was mostly confused about how to interpret it.

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It was a person maybe 5'5 or 5'6 and in a black cloak with a hood couldn't see the

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face and they were not looking at me just kind of about 3 feet away.

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My cat just kept saying my grandma's name over and over again which I thought maybe

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my grandpa who was already dead was looking for my grandma.

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I had no idea my grandma was about to die either.

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I thought maybe I was going to die.

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Completely silent hooded figure too.

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I've had weird experiences before we had a house that used to have doors that would

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slam shut and we moved in whenever I was around and we moved in whenever I was around

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12 feet away.

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I'm sorry Chelsea did we just stop talking about the like short Grim Reaper and start

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talking about the house?

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Okay.

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I never brought it up but when I was alone the door downstairs to the bathroom that connected

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to another room used to slam shut when I was down there sometimes that was a long time

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ago though too I remember things felt different there.

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So that was clearly one that I didn't proofread so I'm experiencing this fresh with you live.

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That was quite strange.

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I don't know why he thinks it is not weird that the cat was saying his grandma's name

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or that it was like a 5'6 Grim Reaper that just kind of showed up.

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Not that tall he was kind of short actually.

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He's my height he's not tall.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was weird.

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Why was the cat saying the grandma's name?

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Okay.

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User E3-dash.

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I personally have never seen anything paranormal but my dad swears he saw the Grim Reaper.

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It was a pretty dark time in his life around that time.

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Anytime we ask him about it his hair stand up.

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He said could you imagine if you could physically see someone's hair standing up when they're

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a creeped out?

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You usually just like get a sensation it's not like they actually stand up.

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That would be great.

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Like wow are you creeped out your hair is literally standing right up.

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I feel like you make that a certain fact right there.

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Yeah.

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But you can't just creep someone out on demand.

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Has to be like you have to be camping in the woods you have to be listening to a scary

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story and be in a tent.

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Already established this on Friday the 13th.

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He says he was outside at night smoking a cigarette and felt somebody breathing on his

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neck and his hair stood up.

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He looked back and saw a figure wearing a hood and he couldn't see a face.

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It's pretty interesting he's seen a lot.

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Had to look behind me that creeps me out.

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Would you rather feel someone breathing on your neck and it be the Grim Reaper or they

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put their skeleton hand on your shoulder?

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You got an answer.

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You got a what one?

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Probably the shoulder.

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The skeleton hand?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Breathing on the neck.

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Oh that actually sounds pretty bad.

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Don't like that.

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Okay.

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User Blondie 1967.

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When I was about 14 years old I was going to my mate's house.

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This was about a five minute walk.

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Oh no they're Australian.

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I know that's what I thought too.

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Shit.

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It was thick fog about November time.

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I had to walk by a green which is a grassed area a bit like a roundabout but down a suburban

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street not a main road.

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There is a really big tree on this green a weeping willow.

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I bet it was a nice freaking weeping willow.

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As I was walking along I saw what I can only describe as the Grim Reaper.

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Do it next to the big tree.

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All in black a big hood covering the face just stood staring at me in the fog.

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Don't remember seeing a scythe.

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I remember staring back frozen to the spot thinking what's going on.

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It didn't speak.

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It didn't move.

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Just stood staring.

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I ran to my mate's house I would fucking run to I think.

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Banging on the door my mate's dad and brother went out to see if they could see anything

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but after being gone about 20 minutes they returned.

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They couldn't see anyone.

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I've never seen it since but I won't forget that night.

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Oh that's a creepy one.

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That is.

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I felt like I could understand what was going on because it was Australian.

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It's true.

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You can't understand that language.

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I'm surprised I read it so flawlessly though.

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Yeah I mean you helped a lot.

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I know.

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I do what I can.

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These are MacGyver Fiverr.

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I was walking down the street on my way to return someone's favorite coffee cup so I

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was like super busy or else I would have stopped and walked right up to him talking

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about what's up brah because I was in the middle of like so many fucking paranormal

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situations all at once but it wasn't nothing new to me.

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Ended up seeing him standing over in the distance beside a highway just watching the

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traffic and enjoying the weather with a black cape on with the hood on holding a stick about

485
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,680
as tall as he was with an axe looking thingy off of it.

486
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,200
What am I reading?

487
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,160
I have read somewhere that he has something to do with the Revolutionary War and or the

488
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Civil War but I don't know.

489
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:11,760
If you have any idea the relationship between them I'd be interested to find out as it turns

490
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,520
out there is a ghost or spirit.

491
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,560
I don't know the difference between the two.

492
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,160
That is like 272 years old who fought in the Revolutionary War.

493
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,760
I have a reason to believe that he is my great great great grandfather.

494
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,840
I'd like to find out what his name is and then my granddad's dad was in the Civil War

495
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,160
oh well so that that.

496
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,160
Okay?

497
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,160
Oh that was a good story.

498
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,400
I'm really liking actually the despondence between the stories that you told prior Reddit

499
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:46,400
where they were definitely like people were dying and now now the it's a Grim Reaper shape.

500
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:53,480
I agree Grim Reaper hate shape but not Grim Reaper activities going on.

501
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,040
This one wanted to go up to him and say what's up brah but he was too busy and then there

502
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,840
was a cat talking.

503
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,880
True teller 001 just came across this post.

504
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,000
I had a crazy repeat encounter when I lived in Brooklyn, New York.

505
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,000
My brother and I were about 5 and 6 so when we began seeing a man in a hood holding a

506
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,120
large stick just standing on a rooftop that was about 3 buildings away.

507
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:24,640
We were about 5 stories up and our window had bars on them for safety.

508
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,000
Our window looked down at where the man would stand every single day with his back facing

509
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,000
us.

510
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,080
This happened for about 2 or 3 days until one day the man turned around but it wasn't

511
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,080
a man.

512
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,280
He had a skeleton face and we heard a voice come from the walls telling us stay away from

513
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,200
the window or I'll come for you.

514
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,200
The figure didn't eat or sleep he just stood there all the time and he seemed to know whenever

515
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,800
we would open the curtain and look out the window.

516
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,120
We didn't know anything about a Grim Reaper at the time so we called him Skeletor because

517
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,960
he looked like the character from He-Man.

518
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,440
We told our parents about Skeletor on the roof but the adults couldn't see him for

519
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,040
some reason.

520
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Cousins came over and also saw him.

521
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,120
One day while we were playing hide and go seek we decided to turn the lights out in

522
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,120
our bathroom and when we tried to turn it back on the lights would not come on.

523
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Tried to leave the bathroom but the door wouldn't open.

524
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,960
Then a voice came from the small bathroom window don't worry I'll come and get you.

525
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,560
We were scared to death.

526
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Also we tried to test him one day and decided to see what he would do if we didn't obey

527
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,120
his order to stay away from the window.

528
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,560
Figure walked off to the right until we could no longer see it and as soon as he was out

529
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,560
of sight there was a loud knock at the door.

530
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,640
It was literally a few seconds after he cleared the window frame.

531
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,640
There was no possible way a person could get down flights of stairs and then walk over

532
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,920
to our building and go back up 5 stories to our apartment in that amount of time.

533
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,320
We begged our mom not to answer the door but she thought we were imagining things.

534
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600
She answered the door and nobody was there.

535
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,680
From then on we stayed away from the window.

536
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,240
Your story about nobody seeing the figure you saw shook me same with us but we remember

537
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,480
till this day.

538
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,360
That one I didn't know what to make of that which is why it made it in.

539
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Yeah it's different like categorically different from everything we've talked about.

540
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,680
I would say there's two categories before that and this is a distinct third grade there.

541
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:25,720
So you'll notice in my sightings that I specifically did physical sightings only.

542
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:32,720
There's a whole other genre out there about those who see the Grim Reaper in their dreams.

543
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:39,400
And like I mentioned in the beginning of the story there's also kind of the stigma I guess

544
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:46,800
around the Grim Reaper that he also signifies somebody in your life is going to pass away.

545
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,320
Not only that he's coming to collect a soul and to usher it to the other side or causing

546
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320
it.

547
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,680
I've never seen anything in my research that would say that he's causing someone's death.

548
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,680
And again it's all on perception.

549
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,680
And then I also saw the stories where like I just said with it's all on perception where

550
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,120
it was in the nursing thing I think that it's in perception.

551
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Because some people think it's Jesus where others see the Grim Reaper.

552
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:23,280
And then there's others that made the comparison to the Grim Reaper of near death experience

553
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,280
experiences.

554
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,680
And this might be something for another episode where people cross over and right before they

555
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,120
died they say you know their husband waiting for them their mother waiting for them and

556
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600
saying come with me or something like that.

557
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,880
And that's also compared to the Grim Reaper because it's that happens a lot but that's

558
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,880
also not the Grim Reaper like the Grim Reaper is a very specific character.

559
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Yes.

560
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Which I agree.

561
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Which is why I didn't put it in here but it's the same comparison of the Psycho Pomp which

562
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,960
might be something to look into in a future episode as well because it's all on how you're

563
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,160
perceiving whatever instance it is.

564
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,800
And then there's also a whole other thing of you know people coming for you when you

565
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,440
die near death experiences something and stuff like that.

566
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,880
There's also the perception of really bad near death experiences which is terrifying

567
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,280
and also super interesting.

568
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,360
And so I just talked myself in a circle because I was also talking about how I didn't include

569
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:35,160
anything of dreams but I did want to throw in here as my last story because I am renownly

570
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,960
a sleepwalker it's came up a few times in our episodes and I myself have woken up more

571
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,560
than likely sleepwalking and have seen the Grim Reaper myself.

572
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:54,200
I woke up looked at the Grim Reaper literally standing there with his big cloak with a scythe

573
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,680
you could see his skeleton hands and I said oh it's the Grim Reaper and I laid back down

574
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,680
and fell asleep.

575
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,880
I have seen him and that's the funny thing about sleepwalking is it's a dream and I interact

576
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
with things but I wanted to share my own experience.

577
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:14,120
Importantly just like seeing the Grim Reaper it's how everybody experiences it and will

578
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,120
feel other people judge them when they tell them about it.

579
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,840
Yeah so don't judge me.

580
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,840
Yeah.

581
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,840
I saw him.

582
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Yeah I think that's fair.

583
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,000
I mean it didn't shake me that I couldn't fall back asleep after it.

584
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,640
But A.O. Chelsea after reading these stories do you feel like this is a character who's

585
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,240
actually doing anything or just kind of waiting for things to happen?

586
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,560
You get that feeling don't you that he's just kind of waiting.

587
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,560
Yeah.

588
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,560
In which case.

589
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,800
He's got no actions throughout like pretty much all of the stories it's just like oh

590
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,000
yeah and he was there.

591
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,720
I got the same feeling and it didn't make that big of an appearance in this episode.

592
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,040
That's why I kind of had to stress it at the end but he does seem like he's more of a

593
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,920
predictor of somebody who's going to die soon.

594
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Yeah.

595
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,520
And then once you start having sightings around them especially the nurses that have had the

596
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,600
sightings and there's that cool show that's one of my favorite Dead Like Me.

597
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,600
That's such a good show.

598
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,920
I love that show.

599
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,680
And they're passed over and they have their own jobs of being grim reapers so they have

600
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,560
to go collect a soul before the person dies.

601
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:25,440
See I was thinking more of Discworld but there were no punny reactions from death so it's

602
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,480
not quite the same.

603
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,480
Discworld?

604
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Discworld yes.

605
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Sounds like a DJ.

606
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Well it's Terry Pratchett so you get what you get.

607
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Okay.

608
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,640
But yeah Chelsea I think this is a great place to stop.

609
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,720
This is a very interesting character to look at and I know we restricted it to just like

610
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:48,060
a North American standpoint so there are many different ways we can look at this going forward.

611
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:53,600
So I don't think this won't be our only parlay with death going forward but I think it will

612
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,920
at least be our first.

613
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,920
At least.

614
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,840
And with that I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

615
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,200
We are journey to the fringe.

616
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

617
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Bye.

618
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,720
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619
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,040
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620
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