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From the unexplained to the mundane, join us on our journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe.

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You know Chelsea, the fringe store called, and they're all out of us.

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We are your podcast hosts, some of whom don't actually like Seinfeld at all, but thought

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people would like the reference.

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Taylor and Chelsea here today, bringing you some fat-loving features, which Chelsea is

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in charge of this time around, so I will just leave this for her to take over.

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Oh man, that one's a good one.

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That was the best one, I think, ever.

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Thought to say they're not all good, Taylor.

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I play to my audience, who was you for this part of it?

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Yes, it really is.

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That boy was not a winner.

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Hello, have you ever wondered what is out there in the world that is bleeding, but shouldn't?

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I guess that could go in many different directions, but-

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We all hope it's not us internally, of course.

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The most scary of them all.

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Yeah, the leg, proper way internally, not bad internal bleeding.

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That's bad, but blood should be flowing through you.

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That's not- that's not considered bleeding if it's flowing through you, Chelsea.

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I thought it might be.

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The river of blood, it needs to be constantly streaming, does it not?

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Okay.

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No?

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Okay, sure.

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I don't think bleeding is-

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No, that's right.

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Interchangeable with flowing in this situation.

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You can't say that I'm wrong when I say that.

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In a very pedantic way, no, I can't.

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Is bleeding when it comes out in places it shouldn't be?

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I guess I don't know the definition for bleeding.

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It's what I'm figuring out.

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Anyhow, the shouldn't portion of that that I'm talking about today isn't the fact that

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I don't know the correct definition of bleeding, apparently.

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So that really makes me take pause for this whole episode, but it's already done.

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What I'm talking about today is not humans, so it doesn't even matter what kind of

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bleeding I'm talking about.

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And I'm gonna be honest, I thought I may have had a lot more hits in my research than I

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actually got because the category only contains like three subcategories to my knowledge.

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Here I thought we were gonna be finding like bleeding dolls, bleeding elevators where the

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blood rushes out, like a lot of it.

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Are you saying they made that up for Hollywood?

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Apparently.

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Huh.

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No bleeding elevators actually have ever happened.

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Huh.

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They were aware of or have been documented, we should say.

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Yes, exactly.

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Bleeding kitchen appliances, bleeding.

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You know what, like a bleeding fridge where you go in to get like your ice cubes and their

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blood ice cubes?

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I could see that.

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Or it just rushes out like the elevator.

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Yeah.

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Like when you open the door.

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I would hate either of those.

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They'd be super uncomfortable.

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Yeah, well, and to be fair, a lot of these stories where a thing is bleeding likely it

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turns out somebody who was just touching it turned out to be bleeding beforehand is my

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Maybe.

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I guess we'll see.

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So we don't get those stories because those people feel sad.

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Yeah.

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Anyhow, the point of the matter is I just thought that there would be more things that blood

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that shouldn't be bleeding.

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Apparently it's not like that profound of a problem amongst many things, just super specific

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things.

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So yeah, you know what, Chelsea?

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Just because we've talked a bit about this, two things I expected to see on this list

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that didn't end up showing up.

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Dolls.

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Definitely.

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Definitely expected dolls and fountains.

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Definitely expected a fountain.

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Fountains, hey?

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I didn't even think to search bleeding fountains, but it did come up.

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I'm assuming it's not that big of a problem.

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Also possibly ground, but we didn't.

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I didn't direct you that way.

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No, no, ground didn't come up at all.

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Dare I say even a blood geyser.

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But that's probably just Hollywood mumbo jumbo again.

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That's it.

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Where have you seen a bleeding geyser in Hollywood?

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Oh, Evil Dead 2.

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Oh yeah, that's the total.

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Everything bleeds.

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And it was, yeah, everything was a bleeding geyser and people did too.

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Literally everything.

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Except for a scare.

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It brings me to the next point, the cabin from Evil Dead 2 is our first point.

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Just kidding, it's not.

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It should be, though.

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Okay, what do you think it is?

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What do you think is the number one hit of bleeding things?

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Oh, it's definitely got to be religious statues.

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Oh yeah, it is.

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Religious figures, it sure is.

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I don't know why.

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So particular towards specifically Catholic religious figures for some reason, and they're

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fucking bleeding out.

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Someone give them an iron transfusion.

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Yeah, they gotta have the little blood that they have.

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Wasted it all.

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Every drop of blood that is flowing through those statues, they're losing.

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The current of bleeding religious figures actually goes back quite a long time.

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But it starts coming to popularity, occurring around World War II, so around the 40s-ish,

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between that time, 40s and 60s.

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Wait, sorry, it's not really a thing before then?

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It is.

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But it isn't really talked about that much until there's this mania of religious figures

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that are bleeding in the 40s to 60s-ish.

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You don't really hear about it talked about that much, and I don't even have anything

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to talk about until then.

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So all I hear is that it has happened.

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It goes back probably to Jesus times, I'm assuming.

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I'm not even gonna say what I was just gonna say.

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It could probably be considered offensive.

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It would probably have to go back as far as statues of, really it's Jesus and Mary, isn't

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it, that are bleeding.

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So they gotta go back as far as those statues.

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Yeah, and like I said, specific to Catholicism for some weird reason.

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And the phenomenon was manifesting in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.

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Or statues and pictures of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary and the saints have appeared

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to bleed.

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And they bleed in significant ways from the hand, brows, places where Jesus was allegedly

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wounded.

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Like should we even be calling him Jesus?

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He should be going by, what's his actual name?

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Yeshua or Joshua?

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Joshua, yeah.

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Or is some people later to us call him Little Baby Jesus?

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Yeah, who's Jesus?

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If you want to pronounce it correctly.

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It's Stigmata.

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The statues are bleeding in places where apparently Jesus was wounded by the rabbit, I think is

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how it goes.

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And that's where he bleeds from.

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And he cursed the rabbit to poop eggs on one day per year.

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And in shaming he hides from.

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Exactly, but they have to be chocolate.

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Or they bleed from their eyes as if they're crying or their eyes are watering blood.

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Whichever one you choose to believe for yourself.

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Brainuses, Taylor.

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I'm glad you did the research that nobody's willing to do.

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You're still to bleeds from the butt.

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Nobody else has to Google that now.

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You heard it here first, just like so many facts.

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And I really hope you guys trust us with that and are not now saying, oh, that's bullshit.

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They didn't actually do that.

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I got a chat.

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I mean, I can't blame them for wanting to check that.

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If you find anything compelling, please put it in the comments.

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So this has actually been reported happening in religious icons for eons, like I said,

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and that's a scientific term, eons.

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The number of occurrences just keep on increasing over the decades.

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And like I said, it kind of hits that fever pitch in the World War II era for the Catholics.

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Was it because the bullets just start flying at that point and we didn't know how to wound

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statues before that point?

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No, it sounds like that's just one.

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The statues got really sad.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah, that was such a sad time.

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They reached like a solar maximum of sadness during World War II.

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So I'm going to talk a little bit about some statues that have reported bleeding.

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First step, we have a small statue of the Virgin Mary belonging to Olga Rodriguez, a

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woman in Santiago de Le, that on November 14, 1992, became to bleed from its eyes.

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And that's the statue, not Olga.

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People who began to stop by the Rodriguez home alerted police to the phenomenon and

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the local criminal investigation department took samples of the liquid for analysis.

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It turned out to be type O blood.

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Can you imagine what we can tell you to call the police on someone because their statue

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is bleeding?

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What would compel you to check the blood type?

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Yeah, the police were compelled to do that.

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But I mean, if you're super religious, I could maybe see calling the police to be able to

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call the bleeding statue.

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The police?

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That pun doesn't work.

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Sorry, that was awful.

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It's like what?

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The same year similar reports came from Lake Ridge, Virginia.

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The priest, I don't know what the abbreviation FR means, but that's what it is.

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Father.

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I think.

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It's how you abbreviate father.

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I assume.

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Oh yeah, no, that would make that makes logical sense.

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Now that you say that, we're a priest.

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Father, I've never seen it abbreviated like this.

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I am shocked.

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It could also mean French.

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No, that's the first thing it comes up.

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James Bruce of St. Elizabeth and Seton Church reported cold weather caused statues of the

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Virgin Mary to weep tears of blood.

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It must have been really cold.

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Not only had many parishioners seen the primary statue at St. Elizabeth and Seton Church

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weep blood, various other statues that Bruce had been standing near.

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The third incident occurred in San Tomas, Mexico.

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It was first seen by a young girl praying before the statue for the healing of her mother.

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Turning home, she found her mother up and fixing supper.

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First time she had been out of bed in three months.

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In 1994, stories came from Ireland, Australia and Puerto Rico.

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In 1996, reports came from Trinidad and Kansas and in 1997 from Benin, which is in Africa.

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Through the decade, more than a dozen cases appeared in Italy alone.

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I mean, when you're seeing it connected with Catholicism, I mean, that's probably where

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you're going to see it concentrated.

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Then from the statue of the Virgin in Las Vegas that began bleeding in 1998 has been

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caught on pieces of cotton and given away to the faithful.

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It has been tied to a number of healings.

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As with the case in Chile, many of these cases have been investigated at least minimally.

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And the substance oozing from the pictures or statues is indeed blood.

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Though the type of blood varies from incident to incident.

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Many have been seen by large groups and have occurred in such a way that the more obvious

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means of faking the phenomenon have been ruled out.

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Nevertheless, two of the cases have been given what might be thought of as a thorough investigation.

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Yeah, Chelsea, I am just curious.

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I'm sorry if I miss this, but what are the more obvious ways of faking it?

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Is it like taking your own blood and putting it on the statue?

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You haven't missed it.

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You have once again predicted where this podcast episode is going.

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So give me like five minutes and I'll talk to you about it a little bit.

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There are still recent cases of weeping statues happening.

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A few I have is Argentina.

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Just a couple of years ago, a statue of the Virgin Mary in the town of Metan reportedly

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began to weep blood.

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This event attracted many visitors and was seen by some as a miraculous sign, which

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I'll talk about in a second.

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In Mexico in 2020 in Acapulco, a statue of Jesus was reported to have blood from the

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forehead.

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This incident drew significant attention from locals in the media.

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Those are some of the most recent and some of the most notable weeping statues include

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and these are huge ones.

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Lady of Akita in Japan, which is from a town of the same name, where a statue of the Virgin

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Mary wept, perspired and bled from the right hand in what appeared to be a cross shaped

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wound.

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This case passed a rigorous investigation by local scientists and the local diocesan authorities

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and the Vatican.

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Diases.

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It says diocesan.

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So it must be dioceses.

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Diasesan, baby.

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Okay.

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And the Vatican.

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The phenomenon are associated with Stigmata and the three apparitions of the Virgin Mary

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received by a deaf Japanese Roman Catholic nun, sister Agnes Sasagawa.

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This one was also broadcast on live television for a lot of Japan to tune in and I think

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Stigmata would be kind of a cool thing to maybe do a podcast episode on, I don't know,

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because it's so religious, but Stigmata is the bleeding, I guess.

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I'm making this up.

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I'm not even looking this up.

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The wounds of Jesus when he was on the cross.

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Yeah, it's not.

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Yeah, it's the, oh, what do they call it?

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The somethings of the cross.

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The crown of thorns on his forehead.

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Yeah.

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And what's the third one?

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There's the third one.

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There's the lashings.

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Isn't it seven?

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That is seven.

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I don't know where I got three from.

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I'm just going off this of memory.

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Hold on, let's find it out.

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Brought it up a few times.

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We might as well tell you guys what Stigmata is.

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Utterly wounds, scars and pain which occurs in locations corresponding to the crucifixion

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wounds of Jesus.

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That's it.

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The hands, wrists, feet near the heart, the head, the crown of thorns and the back from

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carrying the cross and...

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That's right.

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The last one's the spear in the heart.

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Right.

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Yes.

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I know that's because of the horror movie.

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The movie, Stigmata.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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It was not a bad movie.

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Next of the notable sightings is Christ of the Tears Bolivia.

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And this is from the Chapel of the Christ of the Tears of St. Peter, the statue of Christ

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that has repeatedly shed tears of blood every good Friday since 1995 and it attracts thousands

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of worshippers annually.

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It also has one of the most, I think it's the biggest statue of Jesus, not to be confused

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with one that's crying, but they also have one of the biggest statues of Jesus there.

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Hereby to this, but this guy, he cries annually tears of blood.

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And then lastly, in 1995, a Madonna statue appeared to weep blood in the town of Civita

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Vecchia in Italy, where about 60 witnesses testified to witnessing the phenomenon.

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And the local bishop said that he himself had seen a weep blood on the statue was later

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found to be male.

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I don't know what that has to do with Madonna.

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Wait, the blood was male?

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Yeah.

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How can you tell?

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I don't know.

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I mean, we can do a lot with DNA now.

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I don't know about 1995.

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No, but like, if it's just red blood cells, like red blood cells don't have DNA, but

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I guess there's other stuff in there.

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Okay.

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Never mind.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Take your word for that.

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So most, if not all of these weeping statues are associated with other kind of paranormal

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things, including miraculous healing, Mary and apparitions, which are sightings of Mary,

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some sort of angels and miracles, and eventually pilgrimages, of course, as a result of the

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weeping, which came up a little bit, I mean, this is going to draw people to it that there's,

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you know, some religious icon that is crying tears of blood.

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Folks, perhaps in 1985, a statue in Montreal was reported to be weeping and bleeding.

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However, it turned out that the statue was smeared with the owner's blood and shaving

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cream.

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Of all things, Montreal is a weird place.

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In 2008, Kurt Custodian Vincenzo DiConstanzo went on trial in northern Italy for faking

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blood on the statue of the Virgin Mary when his own DNA was matched to the blood.

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Would they match it to the blood?

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Like was his blood already on file or did he agree to a DNA test?

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Yeah, that's one of those awkward things with 23 and me, like anybody who's done a

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test, the police have that shit.

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They do.

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Yeah.

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That's the awkward thing.

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Like you do a murder.

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And then they're like, oh, you shouldn't have done 23 and me as well.

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In 2018, at our Lady Guadalupe Catholic Church in Hobbes, New Mexico, a Mary statue was reported

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to be producing tears.

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In July of that year, the Catholic diocese of Las Cruces revealed the test confirmed

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the tears in fact had the chemical composition of rose scented olive oil.

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While it has been said that it's fairly easy to hoax of bleeding statue, there are those

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that remain unexplained, are less that have been reported, of course, and given the large

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amount of paranormal happenings associated with the weeping statues, there may be something

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more to it.

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A small amount of the time?

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It is weird that it's only happening in the Catholic statue.

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So I know, isn't that weird?

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Next topic, Bleeding House of Atlanta.

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That's the next bleeding thing.

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Atlanta police have been called just after midnight by a woman claiming what looked

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like blood was coming out of the floor at her home at 1114 Fountain Drive.

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That's fountain of blood.

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I'd like that.

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That's a good road to live on to this.

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In the late 1980s, elderly couple William and Minnie Winston lived in a small private

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house in Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

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Bleeding in their life was calm and normal, except that William had diseased kidneys and

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was connected to a dialysis machine every day, which he really did not like and why

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he was often out of sorts.

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Ir enough, William.

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Late in the evening of September 8th, 1987, 77 year old Minnie Winston took a bath, dried

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herself with a towel, and as she was getting ready to leave the bathroom, she noticed a

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red spot on the floor.

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It looked like blood, but Minnie was sure there were no wounds on her body where it could

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leak.

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The blood could leak out.

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And when she looked around the entire bathroom, she found another red spot.

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This time on the wall, red liquid slowly flowed from it down to the floor.

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Ew, that's disgusting.

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Minnie jumped out of the bathroom and saw bloody streaks on the floor and the hallway

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smeared on the tiles.

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I'd be looking for my husband.

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She immediately thought that something had happened to her husband.

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Okay.

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And that the blood might have leaked during dialysis.

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However, when she woke up William, 79, there were no sources of bleeding on his body.

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There was no blood on her near the dialysis machine.

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The frightened couple walked around all six rooms of the house and found bloody stains

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on the floor in almost every room.

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Her house was old, brick and very strong.

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They had lived there for 22 years and until now nothing unusual has happened in the house.

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They had no pets.

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They had never seen rats, mice, or other possible pets.

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They didn't know what to do and finally decided to just go to bed.

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I would call the cops, I think.

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I love you, aunt.

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Let's just sleep on it.

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Yeah, let's just go to bed.

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There's a disturbing amount of blood, but I was expecting this house to have such an

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old person response to.

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Let's just ignore it and they'll go away.

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The next morning, the blood on the floor and walls had not gone away and there even seemed

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to be more of it.

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The Winston's decided to call the police.

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Here we go.

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Please search the house and indeed found copious amounts of blood in the bathroom, kitchen,

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living room, bedroom, hallways, and even the basement.

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They found no evidence that the person had been attacked.

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They declared the Winston house a crime scene and surrounded it with yellow tape.

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People was allowed to stay inside them.

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Blood samples were collected and sent to the laboratory for analysis.

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First of all, in order to determine whether it is human blood at all, soon the answer

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came that yes.

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Moreover, it was type zero.

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Is there a type zero?

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Type O, type O.

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They mean O?

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Yeah, I think they mean O.

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Both the Winston's had type A blood.

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Is it?

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Do you find it odd?

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If we can speculate on it at this point, every time we've come up when they test it

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is type O.

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Twice, yes, it has been type O.

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The two times, I guess, is technically how you can guess.

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I'm going to call it type zero from now on.

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Okay.

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Oh, you have type zero blood.

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Yes, it might be weird that the paranormal does O's zero blood.

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The blood of the paranormal, I guess.

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According to Detective Steve Cartwright, who led the case, it worked in the police force

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for more than 10 years up to that point, but never encountered such an oddity.

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This examined the house again, but in the end, they still found nothing more.

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A few days later, the story hit the press in a crowd of onlookers and journalists locked

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to the house.

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Also psychics who offered their services, believing that something supernatural was involved.

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I love that part of these stories where they're not asked to show up at all, but men to the

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psychics show up for all of these things.

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Oh yeah, and you got to believe the Warrens were there.

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Yeah.

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Just looking for a name.

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Oh, them and their prime right there.

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And a group of five enthusiastic skeptics was formed who decided to get to the bottom

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of this phenomenon at all costs.

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Were the costs?

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They were Joe Nicol, Larry Johnson, Rick Moen, and Rebecca Long, who were later joined by

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Lieutenant G Walker, who was on the original team of investigators on the case.

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At some point, they managed to get a police report from the inspection of the house, which

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contained color photos of bloody stains.

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Last these photos are not available on the internet.

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Alas.

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But no further breakthroughs happened.

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Lieutenant Walker believed that there is no poltergeist intervention, as psychics believed.

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Assume that something criminal had happened in the house.

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He also did not rule out that the spouse could have been persuaded to commit a hoax by promising

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the money or something else.

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Walker then discovered that the Winston's daughter worked at the hospital at St. Perce

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and had access to blood donations.

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According to this theory, the daughter could deliberately stage a bloody show in order to

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make her parents look crazy and so that they would be recognized as incompetent.

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Then the daughter would get their house for herself.

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Okay, I mean, that's a lot of pain to go through to just get the house.

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Yeah.

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These skeptics, I'm not a huge fan of how far they had to stretch the story.

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Oh no, they stretched it pretty far.

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Although I do agree, if you're going to fake this, you gotta have somebody else's blood,

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because the first thing you're gonna do is check your blood.

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Well, of course, we saw that with the statues.

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Any layman's gonna know that.

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And why don't we get to hear from the psychics?

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Why are we taking the sides of this, like, shot-ally put together skeptical group?

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Good question.

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That wanted to disprove it at all costs.

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At all costs, yeah.

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That's what they did.

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They probably spent like fifty dollars on it.

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Yeah.

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Upwards of seventy.

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Oh yeah.

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Who believes them?

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Like, at all costs, like, get out of here, group of skeptics.

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Walker considered this version very plausible.

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What was it, the daughter?

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Yeah, the daughter getting blood from the hospital and stealing the house.

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Could you imagine?

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That's a good maid for TV.

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Yes, to me, like, more at all costs than what the skeptics are doing, and they said at all

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costs for the skeptics.

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So maybe the skeptics did it.

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They said all costs.

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Yeah, you know what?

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They were looking for anybody else other than the skeptics to blame.

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That is a good point.

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We just fucking solved this.

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Walker considered this version very plausible, the one we just said, of course, as he found

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out that there had been a long stand as serious conflicts between the Winston's and their

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daughter.

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However, he was removed from the case long ago, and the official investigation quickly

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reached a dead end, and the case was simply closed.

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A police spokesman later admitted that they still do not understand where the blood came

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from.

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Huh.

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So, yeah, it is actually unfortunate that none of the psychics got to give an answer.

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I know.

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This article quickly took the side of the skeptics, and I'm not a fan of that.

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All we got from what the paranormal people said was about the poltergeist.

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They didn't think it was poltergeist.

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Which, if I'm thinking about it, and it's paranormal, it's probably going to be poltergeist.

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Yeah.

498
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God, thank.

499
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,680
They're the ones causing all sorts of shit.

500
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Well, and there was no sighting, so if it was paranormal, it's probably poltergeist.

501
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Oh no, there was no sightings.

502
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Either that, or there's some sort of murder up in their house.

503
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,480
I don't know.

504
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,000
I'm not an expert.

505
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,400
Next up, Bleeding Walls.

506
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Which I got a lot more hits out of than I thought I would.

507
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,760
First Bleeding Wall Up, The Talman House.

508
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Residents of an ordinary home in Horikon, Wisconsin, I don't know what their name is,

509
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,560
Horikon, found themselves the victim of a very strange thing indeed.

510
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,360
A haunted bunk bed.

511
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,680
That's not a fucking wall, that's a bunk bed.

512
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,680
No.

513
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,680
Maybe it's a Murphy bed.

514
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,320
Hey, you just solved it.

515
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,880
A Murphy bunk bed.

516
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,160
According to Cult of Weird, in 1988, this family suffered through nine months of intense

517
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,880
paranormal activity after purchasing a used bunk bed, including spectral apparitions.

518
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,800
They ultimately fled their home, but not before rumors of even stranger things, including

519
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,880
bleeding walls spread through their neighborhood.

520
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,380
What?

521
00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:06,280
Why not just get rid of the fucking bunk bed if you think it's a bunk bed?

522
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Did they take a mortgage out on the bunk bed?

523
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Like they couldn't afford to not have it.

524
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,680
We're never gonna know.

525
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:20,960
Next up, Mary Knoll Seminary, since knock down, legend has it, oh, since I guess it

526
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,960
was.

527
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,240
It has since been knocked down, yeah.

528
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Legend has it that Mary Knoll Seminary in Illinois was once haunted by the spirit of

529
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,560
a monk.

530
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,400
According to the Shadowlands, he hung himself in the bell tower.

531
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,840
After his death, along with unexplained noises, there were reports of fresh blood oozing down

532
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,240
the tower's exterior.

533
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,880
Oh, that one's spooky.

534
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,760
See, that one's what you want for Halloween.

535
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Fresh blood oozing down the tower.

536
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,160
House.

537
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,600
The house on Brownsville Road.

538
00:27:53,600 --> 00:28:00,280
A Pittsburgh family was allegedly tormented by a demonic entity known as the Demon of

539
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,880
Brownsville Road.

540
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,400
They reported bleeding walls, among other things.

541
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,720
That's the end of that one.

542
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,720
We said walls.

543
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,720
You got it.

544
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,720
That's all we're here for.

545
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,600
It was bleeding walls, of course.

546
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,320
No other details.

547
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,320
And it was hit really early on in that sentence.

548
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,480
The San Pedro Haunting.

549
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:25,720
Family in San Pedro, California experienced what they believed to be a particularly violent

550
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,240
poltergeist.

551
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Physical attacks and even attempted hanging are just two of the more extreme phenomena

552
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,920
they suffered back in the late 1980s.

553
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,320
Relievant to our interest here, they also encountered a mysterious red ooze that seemed

554
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,560
to drip down from their cupboards and other places.

555
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,920
It was later reportedly confirmed to be human blood plasma.

556
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,640
And next one, horror at the Winston House.

557
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,400
Perhaps the strangest incident involving bleeding walls occurred at the Winston House, also

558
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,920
in the late 1980s, which was the time for bleeding walls.

559
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:09,160
In the September 11, 1987 issue of the Register Guard newspaper, there appeared the curious

560
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,200
headline, bleeding house besieged.

561
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920
It told the story of William and Minnie Winston.

562
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Oh, this is the guys again.

563
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Let's see what it has to say.

564
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200
I didn't even know I made it in twice.

565
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Oh no, it was a bleeding house and then they came back up for the walls.

566
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,640
But it was clearly just floor.

567
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,520
I only have two topics.

568
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Anyhow, they contacted police after discovering blood throughout their home.

569
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,720
According to the Register Guard, it reported finding blood on the floors and walls of the

570
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,920
house they had rented for 22 years.

571
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,240
Lab tests confirmed it was human blood.

572
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Wait, they rented it?

573
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,440
I missed that in the last one.

574
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,880
So the daughter wanted to rent the house according to the skeptics.

575
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,920
Maybe it was rent controls.

576
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,840
In fucking, where is it?

577
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,080
It was in Georgia, I think.

578
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Oh, yes, somewhere where it's not rent controlled.

579
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Millie Winston made first contact with the mysterious pools of blood after stepping out

580
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,840
of her bathtub in September 8.

581
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,200
After investigating, police would later find blood in the bathroom, kitchen, living room,

582
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,440
bedroom, and halls nearly anywhere, everywhere, and yet no explanation for its existence could

583
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,000
be found.

584
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,040
History would also appear in the New York Times and believe it or not, it remains a mystery.

585
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,800
I was really hoping by continuing to read they would have said something about the

586
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,800
psychics.

587
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,480
But last, they did not.

588
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,600
So these cases are all interesting and all, but the truth is, paranormal or not, having

589
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,480
anything ooze out of your wall is troubling to say the least.

590
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,480
What would you do if you just saw blood oozing out of your wall?

591
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,360
And that's a good thing to bring up at this point, because I might have to sleep on it.

592
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,400
I feel like first I'd wipe it.

593
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Yeah, yeah, you first you wipe it, but then it comes back.

594
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,440
Do you smell it?

595
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,040
To see like, hey, what is this?

596
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,440
No, I probably would.

597
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,760
I'm not going to lie.

598
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480
I would definitely smell it.

599
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,480
Nobody's watching me.

600
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Not recording a blog.

601
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Do you look both ways and then smell it?

602
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Maybe.

603
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,480
I'm sure nobody's watching me.

604
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480
I don't taste it though.

605
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,480
I don't know.

606
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,840
Do you call a contractor?

607
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,040
Do you call a plumber in thinking that you like hit a line of something?

608
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,840
I'm going to be honest.

609
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,840
I wipe it.

610
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,840
It's back.

611
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,480
It may be smell what I wiped.

612
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,400
I call it for a second opinion and I go from there.

613
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,440
I think that's how it plays out.

614
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Okay.

615
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,440
I call my brother.

616
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,440
That's reasonable.

617
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,120
This time, what do you think this is?

618
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Then he'll ask me if I smelled it.

619
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,120
And then if I wiped it first and then if I smelled it, then I'm not sure.

620
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,920
And I'm heavily relying on the second opinion at that point.

621
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,920
But I should do.

622
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,040
Anyhow, sometimes a mysterious goo has an ordinary explanation.

623
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
They're fact and leaching.

624
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,600
This happens when humidity causes paint ingredients to drip down your wall.

625
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Fairly normal, I guess.

626
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Ever happened to me.

627
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,840
You know what has happened to me though is I lived in an apartment where there were smokers

628
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,840
before me.

629
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:23,560
Oh, it did look like it was bleeding from like the top of the walls of all the like nicotine

630
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,560
grossness.

631
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,560
Interesting.

632
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,200
And I have seen stories too of bees making hives in walls and then honey leaking from

633
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,200
the walls.

634
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,880
I mean, you can't hope for a better option that it's honey.

635
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,360
I'm a dumb. And in which case smelling is probably going to solve your problem right

636
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360
there.

637
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360
But also the implications of bees living in your walls, I think is actually worse than

638
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,400
just like a, I don't know, a paranormal blood leaking from it.

639
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,400
What would you prefer?

640
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Probably the bloody walls.

641
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,600
Like that's an infestation I don't want to have to deal with.

642
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Bees.

643
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,280
Yeah, but the blood is a different kind of an offense.

644
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,360
Either way, you have some troubles.

645
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Okay, so that, that, that.

646
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Fairly normal.

647
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Other times the cause is far more grisly.

648
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Say a decomposing body.

649
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:16,760
As the Daily News reported in 2015, an Oklahoma man discovered his kitchen was bleeding much

650
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,120
to his dismay.

651
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Yep, that's the first thought if you see it bleeding.

652
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,640
When police arrived to investigate, they discovered the terrible truth.

653
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,280
His upstairs neighbor had died of natural causes, hit their head and their blood had

654
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040
oozed down to the apartment below.

655
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,920
That's fucking disturbing.

656
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,960
And that ends the podcast.

657
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,640
That was a beautiful note to end on.

658
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Hold on, I think.

659
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Let me scroll down.

660
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,640
No, that was for sure it.

661
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Yeah, and I guess that's the true real worst case scenario of bleeding walls is there's

662
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,840
a body.

663
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:56,520
No, no, that's definitely a worst case scenario of that.

664
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,960
In which case, maybe you shouldn't be smelling your walls if they're bleeding.

665
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,640
And in which case too, maybe we should be checking the inside of these statues.

666
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Oh my God, maybe there's far darker implications of this.

667
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Are darker.

668
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,800
Well, and with those implications, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea, both of whom

669
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,320
I assume are hopefully bleeding internally the right way that we've discussed.

670
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,000
We are journey to the fringe.

671
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Thank you all for listening.

672
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
We'll see you next week.

673
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
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674
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,480
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675
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,560
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677
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678
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679
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681
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682
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