1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, surprisingly not a pharmacy, even though you 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,320 can't spell disappointment without ointment. 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,760 We are your podcast host Taylor and Chelsea here today hoping that that wordplay somehow 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,600 intersects with the topic of this episode that Chelsea has selected and withheld from 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,600 me. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,600 I like to think I made a good guess. 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,320 No, that was incredible. 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,560 And I was shocked at first. 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,960 I was like, we're not a pharmacy, but here we are. 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,400 I was like, right, we're not a pharmacy. 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,840 We have to change some of our business plans, but technically correct. 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,840 Technically. 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,360 Only in the legal sense. 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,360 Great. 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Yes. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,360 Okay. 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,360 I got a fun one for you today. 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:03,280 Today, I'm talking about a topic that I think you probably won't expect for today anyway. 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,200 Maybe you were expecting it in general and I could totally be wrong on that. 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,200 I'll see. 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Maybe you were. 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Is it Banana Republics? 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,400 Could you imagine the coincidence? 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:19,680 It's like listening to Journey to the Fringe driving through electronic fog. 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:20,680 It's not zero. 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,160 It is not zero percent. 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Yes. 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:32,480 We're going to talk today about broadcast interruptions or hijacks or takeovers. 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,320 Whatever tickles your fancy. 31 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:40,360 Today I'm covering mysterious broadcast interruptions and I must have you know, most importantly, 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:46,000 I will not be covering any hacks of TV stations in which pornography was played over whatever 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,960 broadcast was appearing on at the time, which was at least 50 percent of which was children's 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,960 cartoons. 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,880 It actually happened in reverse at least once in which pornography was interrupted by religious 36 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:58,880 script. 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,840 We live in a weird world. 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,960 That just proves God even more, I assume. 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Oh yeah. 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,360 What was his name? 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,800 Was it the exorcist? 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,360 Did he find time in his like 60,000 exorcisms to actually. 43 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,120 You know what? 44 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,600 Just splice in some scripture. 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,920 He just can make a prominent enough impact on my life like Friar Benatti and I'll never 46 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:23,680 forget Friar Benatti. 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,880 Friar Benatti is like a household name between our households. 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,840 That's all I know for sure. 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,280 I can't even remember the exorcist guy by Friar Benatti. 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,960 I can recall it like that. 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,760 I'm not even looking at notes for this. 52 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,560 I just know Friar Benatti. 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,160 The other guy who is the exorcist that performed like 10 exorcisms a day. 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Yeah, prolific exorcist. 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,960 Yeah, so prolific that he was doing it over like telephone calls and Skype. 56 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,160 Wait, hold on, landlines? 57 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,560 I mean, it really depends on if he was on dial up or not. 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,560 If he's on dial up, yes, landlines. 59 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,560 If not, just wirelessly. 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Wireless. 61 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Okay. 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,640 And like what if somebody called and he was on dial up? 63 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:05,640 He got disconnected. 64 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,480 It was so sad. 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:13,000 The 90s weren't interesting time for online exorcisms. 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,160 I remember phone calls interrupting my wow raids in the early 2000s and this exorcist. 67 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,280 I'm just picturing him saying like, does my wife really need this call? 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,040 This person's got a demon in them. 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,600 I got to finish this up. 70 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,800 It's only 10 seconds. 71 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Maybe I can beat it out. 72 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,600 Louise. 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,440 But like in hard Latin. 74 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,200 He's thinking that in hard Latin. 75 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Not again. 76 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,200 Okay. 77 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,720 The type of interruptions I'm covering today actually accounted for a majority, not the 78 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:51,160 pornography or the religious scripts, which is actually quite a bit and I deem at least 79 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,160 rather boring. 80 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,920 No, Chelsea. 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,440 I do have to assume Max Headroom comes up. 82 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,160 You know, that was my next sentence. 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,640 What broadcast do you think that we're going to talk about today? 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,640 Max Headroom. 85 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Yeah. 86 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Any other ones? 87 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,640 Do you know what? 88 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,840 When I think of these, they kind of get interspersed with like weird radio signals. 89 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,280 So I don't know for sure. 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,680 And and predominantly the port of. 91 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:16,760 Over a few ones. 92 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,760 Just kidding. 93 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Okay. 94 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:25,400 Um, well, first one is the Southern television broadcast interruption. 95 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:33,000 And let me set the scene for you a little after 5pm on Saturday, the 26th of November, 96 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:39,760 1977, transmission of the local UK station, Southern television news bulletin made worldwide 97 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:45,080 headlines when it was overwritten by an external broadcast from an individual claiming 98 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,960 to be real on of the Ash Tar Galactic Command. 99 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Have you heard of this before? 100 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,200 It does not ring a bell. 101 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Really? 102 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Okay. 103 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Love that. 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:02,960 So as newscaster Andrew Gardner recited the day's events in Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe, 105 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,840 the scheduled bulletin began to break up and an eerie broadcast took over in its stead. 106 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:11,960 You should also know that Rhodesia was very white. 107 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,000 It was kind of supposed to be like a white haven in Africa for a long time. 108 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,920 Okay, that is really weird. 109 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,920 Why? 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Yeah, it is. 111 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,280 White supremacists point to Rhodesia is how white people are inherently good. 112 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,800 It's like a very, very, very supremacist area. 113 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,200 There's another episode I think we need to do. 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,960 There's a lot of weird, like white supremacist stuff in Africa. 115 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,320 Yeah, but that also has to do with colonialism. 116 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,320 Okay. 117 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Because what's that? 118 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,920 And also we did kind of cover it with the Rwanda genocide. 119 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,920 I was just going to say. 120 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:41,920 Yeah. 121 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:42,920 Rwanda genocide. 122 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,920 Yeah. 123 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,800 Okay, let's just move on to the mysterious broadcast. 124 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,560 The scheduled bulletin began to break up and an eerie broadcast. 125 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Oh yeah, I always said this because I didn't know what stead meant. 126 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:02,280 The independent broadcasting authority, the IBA, engineers based in Croydon Surrey had 127 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:07,920 no idea that the regularly scheduled news bulletin had been hacked by an outside source. 128 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,520 This rogue signal was also oblivious to the main transmitter located in Southampton. 129 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Only people that were aware of something bizarre taking place were the viewers themselves. 130 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,280 Some panicked while others were unmoved. 131 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:25,400 The video feed remained intact, but the audio was suppressed by his spokesman identifying 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,800 himself as Vrillain. 133 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,240 I have the link. 134 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,520 This link is a reenactment. 135 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,960 We're going to take a look at it now. 136 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,240 This is, like I said, it's a reenactment. 137 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,480 There's no actual real happening of this taking, like, in record. 138 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,760 So it's a reenactment. 139 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,160 This isn't even the same newscaster that this actually happens to. 140 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,840 So just to let you know that, and I'm going to send it to Taylor right now. 141 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:51,840 Take a look. 142 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,320 We're only going to take a look at, uh, it's only six minutes or something like that. 143 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,480 Can you hear volume if I share it? 144 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,880 I assume because you hear mine. 145 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:06,040 It's a little settlement based on one man, one vote, but he says there are conditions. 146 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,480 These include stopping the execution of all captured prisoners of war. 147 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Security itself and the rest and every issue of her body, let alone in agreement with the 148 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,440 I cannot speak to you. 149 00:07:33,940 --> 00:07:38,440 For many years you have seen us as knights and spirits. 150 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:42,940 We speak to you now, you say what's the most we have done 151 00:07:42,940 --> 00:07:46,940 to your brothers and sisters all over this, your planet Earth. 152 00:07:48,940 --> 00:07:51,940 We come to you, the destiny of your race, 153 00:07:51,940 --> 00:07:56,440 that you will well assume if you make milk to your battlefields 154 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,440 that you must take to a point of disaster, stricken in the sequel world 155 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,440 and the views you offer will not be changed. 156 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,440 This is no direct measure. 157 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,440 I find this interesting because you would have no way of knowing 158 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,440 that this was not broadcast simultaneously everywhere on the world. 159 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,440 So true though. 160 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Because that's what they're saying. 161 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,440 I'm torn off this one. 162 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,440 So I take it the words they show off. 163 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:28,440 No. 164 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,440 As I said, this is a reenactment, so this isn't actually the guy's voice, 165 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,440 which I'm so interested to hear to know how the guy's voice showed up. 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,440 Yeah. 167 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,440 All your weapons of evil must be removed. 168 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,440 The time for conflict is now past and the race of which you are about 169 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,440 may proceed to the higher stages of its evolution. 170 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,440 If you show yourself worth it, do this. 171 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,440 You have a short time to learn to live together and feast at your will. 172 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,440 So do so every day until you know this. 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,440 And exist a part of life drawing to my history. 174 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,440 You are eternal self-pity. 175 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,440 There makes a kitchen clean to me. 176 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,440 It's one of these ones. 177 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,440 Many goes right as this. 178 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Then they run out. 179 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:32,440 Here now, the voice of remote representative of the Ash-Tarq-Elai-Q-Q-Lan speaking to you. 180 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Be aware also that there are many false habits and guides of this operating on your power. 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:52,440 They will suck your energy from you and energy you will run and will put into evil habits if you were to displace and return. 182 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Do not devide yourself, protect your promise. 183 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,440 You must continue to stand strong. 184 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:04,440 It is important that this is a remake because I'd really like to know what it looked like when it was originally played. 185 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:11,440 And how understandable it was because this isn't that understandable. 186 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,440 What? 187 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,440 Like, they're putting words on the screen so that you can read what they're saying. 188 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Without the words, I don't know if you'd be able to really understand what they're saying. 189 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,440 I can't hear what's being said right now, to be honest with you. 190 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Ah, fair enough. 191 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:35,440 And I'm assuming that, and I listened to it before I sent it to you, but I don't recall how understandable it was. 192 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:43,440 But I'm assuming they're very understandable from the first one because they have this transcript. 193 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,440 And there's no other way they would have had the transcript that... how would they have the transcript? 194 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,440 Actually, nobody recorded it. 195 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,440 There's no actual recording of it. 196 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,440 Well, this question never came up while I was reading the dialogue. 197 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,440 It's funny how discussing with another person will do that. 198 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,440 It means this doesn't change the fact that it was a real thing that happened. 199 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,440 Oh, and it went into cartoons. 200 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Okay, well, this is just all a very nice effect. 201 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,440 Okay, so the IBA, which we found out what that meant earlier, 202 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:30,440 moved quickly to dispel fears and concerns among their viewership declaring that the broadcast was a hoax. 203 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Technically gifted one, but a hoax nonetheless. 204 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:45,440 Whoever or whatever was responsible for the broadcast interruption would almost certainly have excellent and in-depth knowledge of broadcasting capabilities and frequencies in order to pull off the interruption. 205 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:56,440 The Huntingdon transmitter where the southern TV signal was normally broadcast from was actually a unique example that could explain why southern TV became victim here. 206 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,440 A Huntingdon signal actually originated in the Roe Bridge transmitter on the Isle of White, 207 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,440 other than being fed directly by a landline. 208 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,440 Overriding this FM signal was quite an easy thing for the right person to accomplish. 209 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:17,440 Proper equipment, all the hacker needed to do was broadcast the rogue signal on the same frequency as the authentic signal, 210 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,440 but almost on top of the Huntingdon transmitter itself. 211 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,440 I'm sorry, did you say that was an FM signal? 212 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Well, this is the 70s. 213 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,440 Yep, I did say that. 214 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,440 I just, I didn't realize TV was done over FM. 215 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:43,440 Vrillian had to be in the immediate vicinity of the remote Huntingdon transmitter at 5.10pm on that very day, whatever it was that took over the airwaves. 216 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Pulling this off required a lot more than mere capability. 217 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,440 Time and quite a bit of it was also necessary. 218 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:57,440 If this was, as the IBA can test, a hoax, then it was a magnificent effort on the part of the hoaxer. 219 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,440 It's almost unfortunate that nobody knows precisely who that was. 220 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:08,440 Yeah, and you'd think it would be pretty easy to know because they had to be so close to the radio signal to actually pull it off. 221 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Yeah, obviously I just said spoiler alert, nobody to this day knows who it was. 222 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:20,440 So I guess it could have been Vrillian, but here's the official explanation of what happened. 223 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:30,440 At the time, the Huntingdon television transmitter was unusual in being one of the few main transmitters which rebroadcasted an off-air signal received from another person. 224 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Like I just said, it's just open to this kind of signal intrusion and even a relatively low-powered transmission very close to the rebroadcasts receiver could overwhelm its reception of the intended signal, 225 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:51,440 resulting in the unauthorized transmission being amplified and rebroadcast across a far wider area. 226 00:13:51,440 --> 00:14:07,440 The IBA stated that to carry out such a hoax would take a considerable amount of technical know-how and a spokesman for the Southern television confirmed a hoaxer jammed our transmitter in the wilds of North Amshire by taking another transmitter very close to it. 227 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,440 And they didn't just blame the blacks. 228 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,440 Nope. 229 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:24,440 So that's that site. Nobody knows what actually happened, who it was, but this one actually doesn't have like some of the other ones we have have a pleasant explanation. 230 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:25,440 Yeah. 231 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,440 Who did it? 232 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:34,440 And even then, we can't just discount aliens because we could have done it. They could have cheap shitty technology as well. 233 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,440 Well, exactly. 234 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,440 In fact, they could have more access to cheap shitty technology to do this. 235 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,440 Exactly. 236 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,440 And that's how they're traveling between. 237 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Yeah, it's some diesel. 238 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,440 That they siphoned from the last planet. 239 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Okay. 240 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,440 The next one, Max Headroom. 241 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:59,440 This one occurred on the 22nd of November 1987 in Chicago, Illinois. 242 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:10,440 And on this occasion, the broadcasts of two stations were taken over by someone resembling then current TV star Max Headroom, who I am not familiar with at all. 243 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,440 I've seen the mask, so. 244 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,440 I've seen the mask too, but I still don't know who the fuck it is. 245 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,440 It's the mask. 246 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,440 Jim Carrey? 247 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Yeah. 248 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:28,440 The first incident took place during the sports segment of independent TV station WGN TV's 9 p.m. newscast. 249 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:36,440 Home viewers' screens went black for about 15 seconds before footage of a person wearing a Max Headroom mask and sunglasses is displayed. 250 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Individual rocks erratically in front of a rotating corrugated metal panel that mimics the real Max Headroom's geometric background effect accompanied by a staticky and garbled buzzing sound. 251 00:15:49,440 --> 00:16:03,440 The entire intrusion lasted for about 20 seconds and was cut off when engineers at WGN changed the frequency of the signal, linking the broadcast studio to the station's transmitter atop the John Hancock Center. 252 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,440 Upon returning to the airways, WGN Sports anchor Dan Marone commented, 253 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:20,440 Oh, if you're wondering what's happened, so am I. Actually, the computer that we have running our news from time to time took off and went wild. 254 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,440 So what we're going to do is start over from the top of the bears and tell you once again about the 30 to 10 victory they had over Detroit today out at Soldier Field. 255 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,440 So that's the first one. It's creepy. 256 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,440 It is, but it doesn't have like an ulterior message like the prior one. 257 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Like the Rillin one? 258 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,440 Yeah. 259 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:41,440 And then there's a second incident and that occurred two hours later at 11.20 p.m. 260 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:52,440 They had to recollect themselves were convene and during PBS member stations WTTW's broadcast of the Doctor Who serial Horror of Faying Rock, 261 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,440 Culpert was the same Max Headroom impersonator, this time speaking with distorted audio. 262 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:05,440 The mass figure made a comment about nerds called WGN Sportscaster Chuck Torsky, a frickin liberal, 263 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:13,440 held up a can of Pepsi while saying catch the wave, which was a slogan from the ad campaign for Coca-Cola featuring the Max Headroom character, 264 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:18,440 and held up a middle finger inside what appeared to be a hollowed out dildo. 265 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,440 The figure then ran through. Don't worry. We'll watch it. 266 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:30,440 The figure then ran through a series of quick comments and song snippets interspersed with excited noises and exclamations. 267 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,440 Max saying the phrase, your love is fading, 268 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:39,440 hummed part of the theme song to the 1959 animated series Clutch Cargo and said, 269 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:48,440 I still see the X, which was a reference to the last episode of that show, which is sometimes misheard as I stole CBS. 270 00:17:48,440 --> 00:18:00,440 He also feigned defecation, complaining of his piles and explained that he had made a giant masterpiece for all the greatest world newspaper nerds, 271 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:08,440 which is WGN's call letters stand for world's greatest newspaper, and discussed sharing a pair of dirty gloves with his brother. 272 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:16,440 After a crude video edit, the person had moved mostly off screen to the left with his partially exposed buttocks visible from the side. 273 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:24,440 Don't worry. We'll watch it with a female figure wearing a French maid costume and what appears to be a mask appearing on the right edge of the frame. 274 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:33,440 The unworn Max Hedrum mask was briefly held in view while the voice cried out, oh no, they're coming. Get me. Ah, make it stop. 275 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,440 And the female figure became spanking Max with a fly swatter. 276 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:46,440 The image faded briefly into static and then viewers were returned to the Doctor Who broadcast after total interruption for about 90 seconds. 277 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:56,440 Technicians at WTTW Studio could not counteract the signal takeover because there were no engineers on duty at that hour at the Sears Tower, 278 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,440 now known as the Willis Tower, where the station's broadcast tower was located. 279 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:12,440 According to station spokesman Anders Yokom, technicians monitoring the transmissions from the WTTW headquarters attempted to take corrective measures but couldn't. 280 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:20,440 Our director Paul Rizzo recalled that as the content got weirder, we got increasingly stressed out about our inability to do anything about it. 281 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,440 The pirate broadcast ended when the hijackers unilaterally ended their transmission. 282 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,440 By the time our people began looking into what was going on, it was over, said Yokom. 283 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,440 WTTW received numerous phone calls from viewers who wondered what had occurred. 284 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,440 Excuse me radio station, what the fuck just happened? 285 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:52,440 And now obviously we're going to watch it. I watch it with a wally first. 286 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,440 You can drive through here. 287 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,440 I wonder how long this guy's climb is, like, every single thing in the same area. 288 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Yeah. 289 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,440 I thought they figured out who this was, I can't remember, it's been a long time since I've looked. 290 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:48,440 Whoa, we're going to find out. 291 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,440 I remember where the other one was. 292 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,440 I remember where the other one was. 293 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,440 I remember where the other one was. 294 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,440 I remember where the other one was. 295 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,440 Oh, this is weird. 296 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,440 Oh yeah, there's the spanking. 297 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,440 Sorry, with the exposed buttocks. 298 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,440 Yeah. 299 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,440 She's fairly emotionless in that moment. 300 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,440 Good for her. 301 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,440 That sort of ends, okay. 302 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,440 That's ended. It's ended now. 303 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,440 I always love a good share during an episode. 304 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:44,440 Broadcast Intrusion was achieved by sending a more powerful microwave transmission to the station's broadcast towers 305 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,440 than the stations were sending themselves, triggering a capture effect. 306 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,440 Okay, so maybe that's more technical than the FM wave? 307 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,440 I don't know how to review it. 308 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,440 I think so. 309 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,440 I have to assume microwaves are just stronger than FM radio waves. 310 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,440 Probably. We don't know though. 311 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,440 They probably made way more superheroes than I thought. 312 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,440 Oh yeah, for sure. 313 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:15,440 This was a difficult task in 1987 but was possible before American television stations switched from analog to digital signals in 2009. 314 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,440 That's a lot longer than I thought. 315 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:25,440 I'm sorry Chelsea, can we just take a moment to think about how shitty the superheroes will be who were formed by FM radio waves? 316 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,440 Like they can only vaguely do something? 317 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,440 I can read your mind but only kind of in a general sense. 318 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,440 I can only kind of go invisible. 319 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,440 Or I only kind of get an idea of what you're thinking of for a minute. 320 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,440 I can read your mind in a general sense. 321 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,440 You're kind of hungry, right? I knew it. 322 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,440 But you also might not be. You don't know for sure. 323 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:58,440 Experts have said that the stunt required extensive technical expertise and a significant amount of transmitting power 324 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:05,440 and that the pirate broadcast likely originated from somewhere in the line of sight of both stations broadcast towers, 325 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,440 which were top two tall buildings in downtown Chicago. 326 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,440 I mean, that's probably not hard. 327 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,440 No one has ever claimed responsibility for the stunt. 328 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:21,440 The speculation about the identities of Max and his co-conspirators had centered on the theories that the prank was either an inside job 329 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:29,440 by a disgruntled employer or former employee of WGN or was carried out by members of Chicago's underground hacker community. 330 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,440 However, despite an official law enforcement investigation in the immediate aftermath of the incident 331 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:41,440 and many unofficial investigations, inquiries, and online speculation in the ensuing decades, 332 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,440 the identities and motives of the hijacker remain a mystery. 333 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Soon after the intrusion, an FCC official was quoted in the news reported that the perpetrators faced a maximum fine of $10,000 and up to a year in prison. 334 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:03,440 However, the five-year statute of limitations was surpassed in 1992, so the persons responsible for the intrusion would no longer face criminal punishment 335 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,440 should their identities be revealed. 336 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,440 That's where it ends. Nobody knows about that one either. 337 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,440 Okay. 338 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,440 And they face no repercussion for coming forward, so... 339 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,440 I guess at this point, so why not just be like, hey... 340 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,440 Well, it was 37 years ago, they might be dead. 341 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,440 Oh no. 342 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,440 Or in their 60s. 343 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,440 I don't like to think... 344 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Which is even worse. 345 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,440 A year that I've been alive as that long ago. 346 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,440 I have some surprising ones for you coming up. 347 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,440 Okay. 348 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,440 First is short and sweet hijacking, which I just couldn't not include, but it's not very long. 349 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,440 This one is the 2013 A E A S hijackings. 350 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:46,440 On February 11, 2013, Great Falls, Montana, CBS affiliate, KRTV, I hate the names of these radio stations, 351 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:55,440 have their emergency alert system hijacked with an audible message warning viewers that the bodies of the dead are rising from their graves and attacking the living. 352 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,440 I love this. 353 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:03,440 And if I was watching TV while this happened, there would be a brief moment where I would literally be like, oh fuck, it's happening. 354 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,440 All the horror movies that I watch are coming true. 355 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,440 And then I probably might realize it was hijacking. 356 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,440 Maybe. 357 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,440 I don't know. 358 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,440 I don't know what I do. 359 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:19,440 Later, the same night in Marquette, Michigan, and the early morning hours in La Crosse, Wisconsin, 360 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:29,440 the same type of hijacking and reference to a zombie invasion was made over the E A S system of CBS affiliate WKBTDT. 361 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,440 ABC affiliate WBUP. 362 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,440 Oh, for fuck sakes. 363 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,440 What? 364 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,440 And PBS member station. 365 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,440 Oh my God. 366 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,440 WNMU during primetime programming. 367 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,440 Shortly afterward, PBS, oh for fuck sakes. 368 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,440 They just keep throwing out all these letters. 369 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:55,440 The poor talisman New Mexico was struck with a similar hacking incident, repeating similar information regarding zombies. 370 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,440 However, this led to the arrest of the hacker of the four television stations. 371 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,440 So here, I don't know who it is, but they actually got found out. 372 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,440 I found them. 373 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,440 I don't know what I'd do if a zombie thing came up on the TV. 374 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,440 What would you do? 375 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,440 Would you think it was weird? 376 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,440 Like real? 377 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,440 Yeah, I would think it was a hoax. 378 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,440 Really? 379 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,440 Oh yeah. 380 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,440 Oh, I'd have a split second. 381 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,440 Maybe I think, I can't tell you, I don't know. 382 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,440 Maybe now reading that, I might think it's a hoax. 383 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,440 Yeah, after doing these at this episode, I would think it's a hoax. 384 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,440 So maybe it's a good thing that I'm not like boarding up my windows and stuff being like, we've prepared for this. 385 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,440 I don't know. 386 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,440 You shouldn't mess around with things like that though. 387 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,440 There's people that watch horror movies that are terrified of zombie attacks and maybe they do. 388 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:43,440 Yeah, and also to be fair that the horror movies always start with people who are not prepared for the horror events. 389 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,440 So maybe take it a little seriously. 390 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,440 And I feel like the first signs wouldn't be a public broadcast on TV. 391 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440 Thank you for watching the zombie attack. 392 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,440 See, I think it's on Reddit before it gets on TV. 393 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,440 Oh, it's for sure on Reddit. 394 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,440 That's where the people go. 395 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,440 Okay, are you ready for the next one? 396 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,440 This is the last. 397 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,440 No, not at all. 398 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,440 We should end here because I am not ready. 399 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,440 We could. 400 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,440 See you next time. 401 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Thank you. 402 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,440 Okay, I'm ready now. 403 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,440 Never mind. 404 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,440 I'm ready. 405 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,440 Okay, the show must go on then. 406 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,440 Back. 407 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,440 Ready? 408 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,440 Okay. 409 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,440 2002 Alan Gong hijackings. 410 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,440 You know about this? 411 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,440 I do not know. 412 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,440 I'm going to say no or else you would have said it at the beginning. 413 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,440 He's so shocked. 414 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,440 He can't even talk. 415 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:36,440 February 16, 2002, all those freaking great TV stations, just like letters just like messed up my speech now. 416 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,440 I'll never be the same. 417 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Can't speak more. 418 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,440 It's anymore just letters. 419 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,440 I can't do. 420 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440 W H A T. 421 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,440 Question mark. 422 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,440 Television signals in the Chinese city of Anshan. 423 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,440 I'm 100% sure I'm saying that right because it's written in English words. 424 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:08,440 We're briefly hijacked by members of the Falun Gong religious movement in order to clarify the events of the Tiananmen Square self self-immolation incident in the previous year. 425 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,440 Yes, which also should not be confused with the Tiananmen Square incident. 426 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,440 Okay. 427 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,440 This is a separate thing from what occurred in the 80s. 428 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,440 I'm actually really glad that you're saying that because I thought it was that incident. 429 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:29,440 No, this came up in our Falun Gong episode where a Falun Gong person self-immolated in Tiananmen Square in protest of their treatment. 430 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,440 And then Falun Gong said that wasn't us because people can't commit suicide in our cult. 431 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Yeah. 432 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,440 Glad you said that. 433 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440 We're referencing a previous episode we talked about. 434 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,440 You can go back and find out about it and listen to all five parts. 435 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:56,440 On March 5th, 2002, further intrusions took place on cable television channels in the cities of Changchun and Song Yuan, protesting persecution of the Chinese government. 436 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:06,440 The front sources vary as to the length of the intrusion, so we're not actually going to be watching a video here, unfortunately. 437 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,440 I mean, it wouldn't be that helpful. 438 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,440 We could. 439 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,440 It doesn't suffice for watching it. 440 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,440 It just sucks for understanding it. 441 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,440 Having anything from it. 442 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Well, some of us could we even could we even really tell if there was a takeover of the radio? 443 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440 You bring up a good point. 444 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,440 Nonetheless, it's it's moot because we don't even have it to watch. 445 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,440 So I wonder why I don't have that. 446 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,440 Anyhow, Chinese government. 447 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Did I read that yet? 448 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,440 Protesting persecution by the Chinese government. 449 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,440 Different sources vary. 450 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,440 Oh, yeah, I definitely read this. 451 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,440 The figures citing included 10 minutes, 50 minutes, or even as long as four hours. 452 00:29:51,440 --> 00:30:00,440 In September of the same year, 15 people were convicted of roles in the incident and were given prison terms of up to 20 years. 453 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:08,440 On September 9th, Falun Gong followers again disrupted broadcasting, this time targeting nationwide satellite broadcasting. 454 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,440 By 2010, several of those involved had reportedly died in prison. 455 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:24,440 So I'm going to read to you an article from CNN titled Jail for Falun Gong TV Hackers September 20, 2002. 456 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440 There's tons of articles on this. 457 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:38,440 I decided to go with the follow up on the actual persecution of the people who did this to read that article versus one of it actually happening because it gives us an idea of all of it. 458 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:51,440 So yeah, CNN.com, Hong Kong, China, prison terms of between four and 20 years have been handed down to 15 members of the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement for hijacking state television broadcasts in China. 459 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,440 Xinhua News Agency reported. 460 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:12,440 Falun Gong followers were convicted by Chang Chun, intermediary, People's Court in northeastern China's Jilin province of damaging radio and television property and have conspiring to use the Outlaw Group to undermine law enforcement in the Xinhua report said. 461 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,440 The Xinhua report said. 462 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:24,440 State television broadcasts in the northeastern city of Chang Chang were interrupted on March 5 by footage of Falun Gong's US based leader Lee Hong. 463 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:34,440 What is it Lee Hong Ji? Lee Hong, sir. Lee Hong, sir. ZHI. Yep. Yeah. Lee Hong, sir. Lee Hong, sir. Also, Chongqing. I'm pretty sure you're saying Chongqing. No, I'm just saying. 464 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Qingcheng. OK. I've been to Chongqing. I'm pretty. Yeah, this is differently a different city. OK. And a film accusing the government of staging the fiery deaths of alleged followers in the Tiananmen Square last year. 465 00:31:47,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Television takeover was one of the most defiant protests by members of the Falun Gong, whose once regular demonstrations in Tiananmen Square had diminished since a government cracked down arrested group leaders and sent thousands of followers to reeducation camps. 466 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:20,440 In June this year, state run satellite signals were also hijacked during the soccer World Cup finals and Falun Gong propaganda was aired. The hijacking was on a channel the Chinese government uses to beam TV to remote areas in China that have little access to outside news. 467 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:36,440 I love that. Falun Gong, based on traditional Chinese religions and meditation exercises, acquired millions of followers in the mid 1900s before it was banned by Beijing in July 1999 and denounced as an evil cult. 468 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:45,440 Since it was outlawed, thousands of members have been detained and activists based outside China claimed hundreds have died and been tortured while in custody. 469 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,440 I'm going to read one more just because that didn't fully summarize it as much as I wanted it to. 470 00:32:51,440 --> 00:33:03,440 This one is actually from a CBC channel who aired a documentary on it. And I just think it summarizes the whole situation of what happened a little bit better. 471 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,440 Titled in 2002, Falun Gong activists hacked into a state TV station in China CBC documentaries. 472 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:17,440 In March 2002, activists from the outlawed spiritual movement Falun Gong hijacked a state TV station in Changchun, China. 473 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,440 Their goal was to counter the government narrative aimed at suppressing their practice. 474 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,440 And the after I wonder if it is Chongqing is this is I know it's it's so close. 475 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,440 This is it's an English version of it. So it's not actually the Chinese spelling of it. 476 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:42,440 And it's just C H A N G C H U N. I wonder if it is in the aftermath police swept the city in search of the saboteurs. 477 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:48,440 Hundreds of Falun Gong practitioners were detained and 15 were sentenced to prison turns of up to 20 years. 478 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,440 Many faced torture and abuse and several died in prison. 479 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,440 Many Falun Gong followers were forced to flee China. 480 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:02,440 Internationally renowned illustrator and comic artist, Dave Chiang, known for the Justice League and Star Wars franchises was one of them. 481 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:10,440 The documentary Eternal Spring rechases the events of the hijacking, combining 3D animation using Dongqing's art 482 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:17,440 and present day interviews that film brings a life to the story of defiance and harrowing eyewitness accounts of prosecution. 483 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,440 Dave Chiang discovered Falun Gong when he was 21. 484 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:30,440 Falun Gong teaches a simple really, he says in the film, you cultivate your heart and improve your character and that leads to better physical and mental health. 485 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:39,440 We've already we know about the Falun Gong. I'm going to skip over this because it's just telling you how great Falun Gong is and we already know how great the Falun Gong is. 486 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,440 They have the dancers. 487 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,440 They have such good dancers. If you want to become one, go to the compound. 488 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:56,440 In 2002, a small group of practitioners in Changchun devised a plan to hack into a state TV signal and play a video about Falun Gong's teachings. 489 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,440 The goal of hijacking the TV was to set the record straight, one practitioner said in the film. 490 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,440 If you're silent in the face of persecution and look away when people are dying, are you still human? said another. 491 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,440 Dashian disagreed with the hijacking at the time. He believed it would worsen the violent repression of Falun Gong. 492 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,440 In Eternal Spring, he speaks to some of the people who were directly involved in his views begin to change. 493 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:26,440 Yeah, so I think that I just wanted to get out the fact of what this guy thought the hijacking was for. 494 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:34,440 This is, I mean, the zombie one got some persecution. This one got a lot of persecution on it because it was over. 495 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,440 Yeah. 496 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,440 That was getting. 497 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:43,440 Again, if you want to know more about the Falun Gong, more likely than not, you've listened to at least one of those episodes from us. 498 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,440 That's our most popular episode. But go listen to our three part Falun Gong episode. 499 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,440 Yes, I hadn't heard about this one. It never came up in our episodes. 500 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,440 And from all the other ones that I have heard about it, I was like, wow, Falun Gong. 501 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,440 That'll be a nice surprise. 502 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,440 We had to keep it to a brief three one hour episode. 503 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,440 Yeah. 504 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,440 We couldn't get everything. 505 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,440 And again, that ties it back to us to be able to tell you to go listen to one of our episodes. 506 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,440 And you probably listen to it because again, it is our best episode. 507 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,440 By far, like not even close. 508 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,440 Voted by the people, not by us, by the people. Probably. 509 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,440 Maybe Falun Gong people. 510 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,440 Yeah. 511 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,440 Although it's the one where we're not very nice to Falun Gong. 512 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,440 So I don't think it is Falun Gong. 513 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,440 Anyhow, do you have anything else to say? 514 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,440 No. 515 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,440 Comment. 516 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,440 Recent news came up on the Falun Gong, but I feel like that'll be for a different time 517 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,440 that we'll talk about that. 518 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,440 Oh yeah. Time of Falun Gong. 519 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,440 Yeah. 520 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,440 It shows how much power they had at the time, though. 521 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,440 They really did. 522 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,440 As they were rising, or at least competing with the government, it shows how much power they had in that period of time. 523 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,440 Yeah. 524 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,440 I guess I mean, just like so scary. 525 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,440 They got pretty highly persecuted after this hijacking. 526 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,440 Well, then even then, the question really is how persecuted they were. 527 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,440 It is a question. 528 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,440 Because the only party who tells us how persecuted they are is the Falun Gong. 529 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,440 Yeah. 530 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440 And now there are other countries in which to not persecute. 531 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,440 Yes. 532 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,440 So here we are. 533 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:24,440 And that has been it of our hijacking of your regularly scheduled podcast episode. 534 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,440 Or, or not, maybe you actually tuned in for this one. 535 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,440 I mean, we can just kind of wait and see if this one will get hijacked, too. 536 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,440 Oh yeah. 537 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,440 Because like it just, it would be inevitable. 538 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,440 I would be so perfect for someone to do. 539 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,440 I don't, Popes? 540 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,440 Popes, is it going to happen? 541 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,440 Oh. 542 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,440 Nope. 543 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,440 Nope. 544 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,440 They say they have no idea what this technology is we're even using. 545 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440 So they have nothing to say. 546 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,440 They're very confused in Latin. 547 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,440 If you're just tuning in now, I don't know where you're going to find the origination of that one with the Popes. 548 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,440 You're not going to have any idea, but now we got to have the other Popes. 549 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,440 Weirdly enough, it's not in the Pope episode that we just did either. 550 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,440 Nope. 551 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,440 I can't even remember what episode, so that sucks. 552 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,440 I'm pretty sure it's the Ouija Board episode. 553 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,440 Go listen to them all. 554 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,440 Yeah. 555 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,440 Go listen to them all. 556 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,440 And then again, just in case you missed some of them. 557 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,440 Oh yeah. 558 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,440 Anyhow, barring interruption. 559 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,440 I have been Taylor. 560 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,440 Here with Chelsea. 561 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,440 We are Journey to the Fringe. 562 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 563 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,440 Bye. 564 00:38:52,440 --> 00:39:03,440 If you want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell us that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email at journeytothefringeatgmail.com. 565 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:23,440 I'll see you in the next episode.