1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,600 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:16,720 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, helping you be ready for the weirdest trivia 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,440 night you could ever possibly be invited to. 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,280 Don't worry, your hypothetical trivia team will surely be grateful and you're welcome 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,280 for that. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,280 Such a good idea. 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,040 We are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, here today to tell you about some natural 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,560 phenomena plaguing the world. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,080 I'm not going to start this off with the WHAT we're talking about, but the WHERE, for 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,880 the most part, we'll be talking about. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,360 And that WHERE is Bermuda in its triangle spot. 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,560 Okay, and what else is happening in this episode? 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,160 You distracted me. 14 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,800 We have covered this episode in the past somewhat. 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:57,000 Chelsea, this was in season 2, early on, episode title, mysteries covered many sizes, but one 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,760 shape where we covered the Bermuda Triangle. 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,800 You offhandedly kind of made a statement. 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,800 Right now? 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,000 Sorry, no, on that episode, where one of the explanations for things that happened at 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,920 the Bermuda Triangle is electronic fog. 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,160 And by golly, today's episode is on electronic fog. 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,160 What the hell? 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,160 You distracted me. 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,720 I thought it was but the Bermuda Triangle. 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Yeah, it is, but don't worry, we're going to get to all of this. 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Oh, I'm confused. 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,440 Okay, let's talk about it. 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,640 We're going to go over, first off, the common understanding of what electronic fog is, first 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,440 hand accounts of it, second hand accounts of it, and importantly, what it actually is 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,360 from there, because my god, is it something different from what the common understanding 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,360 of it is? 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,360 Okay. 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,360 It's going to take a few turns from there. 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Is this in the Bermuda Triangle or out in some kind of way? 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,440 It is most commonly noted in the Bermuda Triangle. 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Okay. 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,240 Can I guess at what it is? 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,600 Yeah, sure. 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,960 You know that snow on the TV? 40 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:01,720 Does that happen anymore? 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,600 Can you get snow on the TV anymore? 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Well, no, but that's because we don't have analog channels. 43 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Okay. 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,960 To me, it's stuff that makes up snow on the TV. 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Okay. 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Out in the wild. 47 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,960 Okay. 48 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:14,960 That's electronic fog. 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,040 You do know that the stuff that makes up the snow on the TV is literally just everywhere, 50 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,040 right? 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,040 It is. 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Like that is literally the background decay of the Big Bang that you're seeing with 53 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,520 the snow on the TV. 54 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,520 What? 55 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,520 Yeah. 56 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Are you serious? 57 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,520 Yeah. 58 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Yeah, you can look at that. 59 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,520 It's very true. 60 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Okay. 61 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,520 Well, that makes me feel uneasy. 62 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,920 You know what? 63 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:38,840 Your understanding of it isn't that far. 64 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,840 I don't think away from what if somebody heard electronic fog, what I would understand 65 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:50,600 that to be is some sort of like ionized or electrical or somehow intensified fog that 66 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,600 messes with instruments. 67 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,360 Does that sound about right? 68 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,360 Yeah. 69 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,640 That's my understanding of snow on the TV. 70 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:00,160 So you think that it's just, okay. 71 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,440 We have very different understandings of snow on the TV. 72 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,840 And that is, for the most part, what the internet and when you kind of Google it and trigger 73 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,840 it all out. 74 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,240 Most people think electronic fog is. 75 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Electronic fog resembles a grayish cloud of electromagnetic field that forms above oceans 76 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,880 or large bodies of water. 77 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,320 It seems to appear suddenly and inexplicably and coughing ships and aircrafts as it is 78 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,200 encountered and once enveloped by this fog, electronic systems and instruments on board 79 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,080 start malfunction. 80 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Navigation equipment becomes unreliable. 81 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Spatial disorientation sets in. 82 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,800 All the works there. 83 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960 That's kind of the main understanding of what electronic fog is. 84 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Okay. 85 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,960 What's it really? 86 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,800 We're not going to get to that yet. 87 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,200 We got to work our way through the story because once we get to that part, it's a very different 88 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,200 story. 89 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Okay. 90 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,200 I'm looking forward to finding out. 91 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,640 Well, I'm going to end the episode now just so I can end on a disappointment. 92 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Just kidding. 93 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,680 I'm finding an episode. 94 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,440 This is the thing about electronic fog. 95 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,080 I just need to make it clear. 96 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,600 There's no scientific proof that it exists. 97 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,160 No one has been able to study electronic fog. 98 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,400 It's all based on anecdotal evidence. 99 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,720 In all points towards eyewitness accounts of a fog engulfing something, screwing with 100 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:20,120 the navigational materials and then disappear or secondhand accounts where something disappears 101 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,920 and people see it go into a fog but not come out. 102 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,240 People also kind of claim that it is an effect that's called the Hutchison effect, which 103 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,160 has been scientifically studied. 104 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,360 Demonstrated by John Hutchison, which involves electromagnetic interactions that produce 105 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,920 unusual phenomena. 106 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,000 Some speculate that an electronic fog could be related to this effect. 107 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 There have been studies on geomagnetic anomalies, ocean currents, atmosphere conditions, aimed 108 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,720 to shed light on unexplained events within the region of the Burbida Triangle, but none 109 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,520 of them have seen electronic fog to study it. 110 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,200 I think that's the safest way to say it. 111 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,600 Does that all make sense so far? 112 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,360 Yeah, like it's just made up. 113 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Except for that there's anecdotal stories of it. 114 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,280 Like from Burmida Triangle books? 115 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,960 Yeah, great way to put it. 116 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Okay. 117 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Gotcha. 118 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:15,240 It can also be called St. Elmo's Fire, which kind of confuses me but we'll kind of get 119 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,400 to that at a later point. 120 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Okay, I was just gonna say, isn't that something else? 121 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,800 Yeah, it is something else, which is why it confuses me. 122 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,520 But I saw it run up several times and it can also be called St. Elmo's Fire, so I'm just 123 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,520 putting it here. 124 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,520 Okay, that's a weird thing. 125 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,160 Yeah, so it can be characterized by luminous glow appearing around pointed objects, such 126 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,600 as the mass of the ship or the wings of airplanes. 127 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,480 It occurs under specific atmosphere conditions. 128 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,360 This is what the people studying it say, who have not actually... 129 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,280 How do I put this where I'm saying it's not science is saying this, but people studying 130 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:46,280 it? 131 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:49,400 I don't think there's a proper word for it, but we're just gonna keep going. 132 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,960 No, I don't think there's a proper word for that. 133 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,600 While the term electronic fog is not universally defined across sources, it is closely related 134 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,000 to the broader concept of fog, which is a low-lying cloud that produces visibility to 135 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,360 less than 5-8 statute miles due to excess moisture condensing in the air. 136 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,680 The risk posed to pilots by electronic fog or similar atmosphere conditions stem from 137 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,680 several factors. 138 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,640 They lose their visual references, they have visual disorientation, they have equipment 139 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,320 malfunction, and they have an increased risk of collision, obviously due to those three 140 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,240 previous factors. 141 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:27,120 And strangely enough, and all my readings on this and the AI search prompts that I put 142 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,720 in, for some reason they gave me many tips for dealing with electronic fog. 143 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,960 So in serious risk of people missing this later on in the episode by drifting off or 144 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,240 leaving, although nobody leaves, let's face it. 145 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,240 No. 146 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,720 I'm just gonna put them here now. 147 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,120 It says trust your instruments and avionics, which I feel is a terrible piece of advice 148 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,800 when they're saying that the instruments stop working in this fog. 149 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,960 That seems like something AI would say. 150 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Yeah. 151 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Calibrate and maintain your equipment. 152 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,120 Make sure that you take instrument flying training, recognize symptoms of spatial disorientation, 153 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:07,400 remember the acronym ICEPLags, inversion, choreolus, elevator, false, horizon, leans, 154 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,160 autoconiesis, graveyard spirals, somatogravate. 155 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,280 Find oneself of various types of spatial disorientation and how to camdoract them. 156 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 For those that need it, I'm sure that helped. 157 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,840 Graveyard spiral? 158 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,080 This certainly sounds like something I need to remember. 159 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,560 I'm in a late time fog. 160 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Make sure that you have good sleep and hydration. 161 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Avoid alcohol and certain prescription medication. 162 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:36,160 Have familiarity with basic navigation techniques and continuously monitor and be vigilant. 163 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,040 My God, if somebody ends up in electronic fog and is listening to this episode, I hope 164 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,960 we save the life through this. 165 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,960 You are welcome. 166 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,880 I wonder what the odds of listening to this podcast while you're going through electronic 167 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,880 fog is. 168 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,880 It's not zero. 169 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,440 It's surprisingly not zero, yes. 170 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,640 It's not zero. 171 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,440 By implementing these measures, pilots can significantly reduce the risk of disorientation 172 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,080 or equipment valve function during sightings of electronic fog, ensuring safer flights. 173 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Now I should bring this up now because it got brought up a little earlier and we're going 174 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,120 to bring it up again later. 175 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,400 I'm going to talk about John Hutchinson and the Hutchison Effect. 176 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,080 So he's a Canadian scientist actually based out of Vancouver. 177 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Oh, nice. 178 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,520 And he demonstrated a similar phenomenon in his lab to electronic fog. 179 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,520 The Hutchison Effect occurs when electronic fields of different wavelengths interact 180 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,480 leading to strange occurrences. 181 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,680 These include objects rising from the floor and floating, water swirling in a cup, and 182 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,720 even objects shooting off at fantastic speeds. 183 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:38,920 So he's been able to prove somewhat in a lab, according to some, that electronic fog is 184 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,360 a natural occurrence that we could harness and at least allow formation. 185 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Is a scientist? 186 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,520 That's actually a good question. 187 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,640 It never made my research. 188 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,880 We'll talk about him again later. 189 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,480 So let's talk about cases then where electronic fog has been alleged to have occurred. 190 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:04,000 In 1966, a tugboat captain named Don Henry was on his way from Puerto Rico to Fort Lauderdale 191 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,880 on a clear afternoon. 192 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Suddenly, the compasses on his tugboat began to spin wildly as a strange darkness descended 193 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,840 on him and the horizon couldn't be seen. 194 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,160 Water was coming in all directions and their electrical power fell completely. 195 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Dense fog covered their tug. 196 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,840 Luckily, the engine kept going and they moved out of the fog. 197 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,160 Looking back, the fog was densely concentrated in a solid block, what they described as a 198 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,400 bank, and inside this area the sea was boiling. 199 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,080 Outside this area, the sea was calm. 200 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,080 That's the end of that. 201 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Okay. 202 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,560 Next one is a report from the British steamer, the Mohican. 203 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:36,560 Next from 1904. 204 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:41,960 From a length of time, the vessel was shrouded in a strange metallic vapor which glowed like 205 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:42,960 phosphorus. 206 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,560 The entire vessel looked as if it were a fire and the sailors flitted about the deck like 207 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:48,960 glowing phantoms. 208 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,400 The cloud had a strange magnetic effect on the vessel for the needle of the compass revolved 209 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,800 with the speed of an electric motor and the sailors were unable to raise pieces of steel 210 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,880 from the magnetized deck. 211 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Captain Urquhart described the thrilling experience and his story is vouched for by his 212 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,880 men of the crew. 213 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Quote, it was shortly after the sun had gone down and we were in latitude 37 degrees 16 214 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,360 minutes and long to 72 degrees 48 minutes. 215 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,640 Sea was almost as level as a parlor carpet and scarcely a breeze ruffled the water. 216 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,840 It was slowly growing dark when the lookout saw a strange grey cloud in the southeast. 217 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,160 At first it appeared as a stack on the horizon but it rapidly came nearer and was soon as 218 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,520 large as a balloon. 219 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,840 Quote, and the most important story for this episode is Bruce Gerdin. 220 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,440 According to Gerdin he departed from Andros Island in the Bahamas at 3pm on December 221 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,240 4th 1970 on his bonanza A36 along with his father and his father's business associate 222 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,480 on a flight that would take them through the Bermuda Triangle on their way to Bimini. 223 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,000 Along the way the plane was engulfed by a strange cloud that appeared to be following 224 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,360 the plane's movements forward and upward in altitude. 225 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,920 They eventually broke free from the cloud only to come to another similar cloud a short 226 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,120 distance ahead of them. 227 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,000 The exterior of the cloud appeared white fluffy and harmless so Gerdin continued ahead but 228 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,680 once inside the interior was revealed to be dark with flashes of light indicating that 229 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,200 they had entered a dangerous electrical storm. 230 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,440 At 327pm Gerdin turned the plane 135 degrees heading south in an attempt to break free 231 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:22,440 from the cloud. 232 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,040 At this point Gerdin radioed into Miami to notify them of their changing course. 233 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,360 As Gerdin attempted to flee the second cloud he discovered to his dismay that this first 234 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,040 cloud he escaped now appeared to be connected with the second cloud forming a tunnel around 235 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,600 the plane that appeared to be between 10 and 15 miles long. 236 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Gerdin could see clear blue sky at the other end of his tunnel and decided that the safest 237 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,360 course of action would be to carry on forward through the tunnel until he got to the other 238 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,360 end. 239 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,160 Well inside the tunnel Gerdin noted that there were spiraling lines swirling in counterclockwise 240 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,840 motions along the interior as the plane progressed toward the opening. 241 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,520 The tunnel seemed to be continually shrinking in both length and diameter. 242 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,480 What seemed like a 10 mile tunnel at first that should have taken only 3 minutes to pass 243 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,200 through became a 1 mile long tunnel that passed through in 20 seconds. 244 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,840 As the plane crossed the edge of the tunnel its passengers experienced a sensation of 245 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,320 weightlessness that lasted about 10 seconds. 246 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,520 Instead of the clear blue skies that Gerdin first saw at the end of the tunnel they were 247 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,800 met with a blank gray haze all around them. 248 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,840 No sky, no ocean, no horizon, absolutely nothing but grayness. 249 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,480 Even described it as resembling a thick fog except for the fact that visibility appeared 250 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,520 to extend roughly 2 miles. 251 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,280 When they attempted to read their location via their magnetic and electronic navigation 252 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,360 systems they discovered that the instruments were malfunctioning. 253 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,520 Gerdin contacted Miami Air Traffic Control again to seek their assistance in identifying 254 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,040 their location via radar. 255 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,760 However Miami claimed that there were absolutely no planes visible on their radar anywhere 256 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,960 near Miami, Bimini and Andros. 257 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,080 Gerdin did his best to steer the plane towards his destination with nothing to go on but 258 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,680 his own mental compass. 259 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:00,480 After a few minutes the Miami radio controller announced that he had just spotted a plane 260 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,200 directly over Miami Beach heading west. 261 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,800 Gerdin did not believe that the plane the controller saw was there because they had 262 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,720 only been flying for 34 minutes and there was no way he could have reached Miami in 263 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,800 that amount of time. 264 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,680 It was then that the gray fog around them began to dissipate in a strange way that Gerdin 265 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,280 described his horizontal ribbons across the sky that gradually expanded until the fog 266 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,280 was gone. 267 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,880 With the fog gone, Gerdin could see that he was in fact right over Miami Beach. 268 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,680 With their visibility and navigation instruments restored, Gerdin landed the plane at Palm 269 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,360 Beach International Airport. 270 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,240 The entire flight lasted a total of 48 minutes. 271 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Gerdin was baffled by the experience not only due to the weather and instrumental anomalies 272 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,680 but also because of the apparent time loss. 273 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:46,400 Even on the direct flights in the past, the trip from Andros to Palm Beach took a minimum 274 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,080 of 75 minutes in Gerdin's Bonanza 836 and this flight was anything but direct. 275 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,000 So he halved his time from Andros to Miami. 276 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,400 That's a pretty crazy story. 277 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,400 Yeah. 278 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,480 I can't say I'd get in a plane that was the type of plane was a Bonanza. 279 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,880 No, that just doesn't seem like Bonanza seemed like a fun time, not a safe time. 280 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Yeah, I would say exactly that. 281 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,240 That's exactly what Bonanza says. 282 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,560 And Chelsea, it's at this point that I need to talk about where the actual idea of the 283 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,600 term electronic fog comes from. 284 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,480 And it is our man, Bruce Gernon himself. 285 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,960 And I need you to go to electronicfog.com now. 286 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:25,960 Okay. 287 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,000 Because I was going to say, like based on what they're saying is happening, I wouldn't 288 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,440 describe that necessarily as electronic fog. 289 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,360 This website's so great. 290 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,520 Okay, I'm here. 291 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,020 Is this a Bonanza? 292 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:44,520 I assume it's a Bonanza because man, does it come up a lot in his writing? 293 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,520 Okay. 294 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,960 Bruce Gernon is the man who coined the phrase electronic fog to describe what had occurred 295 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,960 to him. 296 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,840 And my God, does he have a different idea of what electronic fog is? 297 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,840 Okay. 298 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:57,840 Wow. 299 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,320 What the hell is going on on this website? 300 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,120 This website is not quite the 1990s flash websites that we're used to. 301 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,840 I mean, it doesn't look bad. 302 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,480 I wouldn't describe it as a modern website either. 303 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,000 No, it looks better than a hundred percent of what we look at. 304 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000 It's very true. 305 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,960 And we didn't have to go on the way back, but she neither. 306 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:15,960 But we're going to talk about this. 307 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,640 So first and foremost, the first thing you're hit with when you go to electronic fog.com, 308 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,680 you got the ribbon at the top, which has all your choices. 309 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,560 And also a very weird photo of, I assume Bruce Gernon standing on the wing of his plane and 310 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,560 like, 311 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,480 Yeah, I've seen that come up a few times now. 312 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,880 And also there's planes flying around him and maybe his planes in the air too. 313 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,600 I can't quite tell from the picture. 314 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,840 Oh yeah, look at all the planes around him. 315 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:40,840 Yeah. 316 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,720 Next up below it is just like it's flying through some photos, which you're going to 317 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,720 see below. 318 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,720 They're all of planes. 319 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,760 But then it says, welcome to Bruce Gernon's electronic fog. 320 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,680 Bruce Gernon has been featured in over 60 television documentary series radio programs 321 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,040 about his experience of Bermuda Triangle. 322 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,440 His groundbreaking theory based upon first head experiences were counted in the fog, 323 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,080 the fog being the name of one of his books. 324 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,080 Okay. 325 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Details are rare, natural phenomenon. 326 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Not the actual fog. 327 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Yeah. 328 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,520 That may be behind many of the seemingly paranormal happenings in the Bermuda Triangle causing 329 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,280 time distortion, pilot disorientation and equipment malfunctions. 330 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,720 To date, he has personally experienced the electronic fog twice over a period of three 331 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,720 decades. 332 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,720 He has researched his theory for over 50 years. 333 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,520 It is now considered the number one for Bermuda Triangle mystery. 334 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,120 And I don't understand that sentence. 335 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Why is there like number one in brackets? 336 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,120 I know. 337 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,120 And it should be noted it says one and then brackets the number one and brackets. 338 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,600 In case just so that there's no confusion on which one he is talking about. 339 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Oh, not One. 340 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Yeah. 341 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,080 All right. 342 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,920 And Chelsea, we're going to check this out after, but I just need to see this the next 343 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:56,920 paragraph. 344 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Please check out our new animated video that helps explain the experience that he had 345 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,480 back in 1970. 346 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,840 His new upcoming book titled Bermuda Triangle Survivor shall be published soon and will 347 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,880 be available to purchase on our website and on Amazon. 348 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:15,480 Young readers and all young readers is capitalized for some reason and all will appreciate this 349 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,200 book and can use it for reference book reports or interviews. 350 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:26,480 Why does it specifically first say young readers and all pilot tells what he experienced 351 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,480 in the heart of the phenomenon. 352 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,720 Electronic fog is considered to be a meteorological based phenomenon. 353 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,720 Okay. 354 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,040 I wrote this for sure. 355 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,440 Like what the fuck is this? 356 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,720 Yeah, it gets weird in parts. 357 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Next up. 358 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,720 I lit jails. 359 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:40,720 What do you expect? 360 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,240 We're going to go to the news page. 361 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,400 Oh, I went to store. 362 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,360 No, we're not going to the store yet. 363 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:53,240 We're going to news page because of course first thing on the news page is Bruce Gertin's 364 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,240 biography. 365 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,240 Okay. 366 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Oh my God. 367 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,600 There's another one with a number written out and then bracketed with a numerical number. 368 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,400 And no, most importantly, I love this Chelsea. 369 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,720 He's a world leading expert author, renowned researcher and theorist for the Bermuda Triangle. 370 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:14,600 He has published four bracket for close bracket books and he has appeared in over 50 bracket 371 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,600 60. 372 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:24,080 No more close bracket television documentaries, episodes, every channel's science channel, 373 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,400 BBC, ABC, CW network, travel and history channel. 374 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,400 Oh man. 375 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,920 You gotta love that he took away the ambiguity of writing 50 down. 376 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,240 Why isn't that 60 there? 377 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,320 What a different number to brackish. 378 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,320 Yep. 379 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,960 And that's why I don't think AI wrote these. 380 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,400 Best known as the pilot who, quote, holds the key to the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle 381 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,400 and quote, the only living witness to tell his story about being trapped in a tunnel 382 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,480 vortex that almost swallowed his small singledge of bonanza, A36 plane, the world leading 383 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,800 expert witness who has seen the fabric of time during his flight back in 1970 returning 384 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,320 from Andros Island. 385 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:09,080 A scientific breakthrough theory called quote, electronic fog and quote, has captured many 386 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,920 minds of professors, mainstream scientists and physicists. 387 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,400 Professor David Parris has researched Bruce Gurren's famous flight, link available for 388 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,400 his website. 389 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,400 You know what? 390 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,840 I did not check out that website. 391 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,200 I am now very interested about this and I guarantee you it's going to go to a dead site. 392 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,200 Why? 393 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,840 It's not a dead site, but my God, it's going to be its own episode because that is a 90s 394 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,520 website if I've ever seen one with nothing loaded. 395 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,400 My computer can't even deal with this website. 396 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,720 It's too advanced. 397 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,760 He recently conducted laboratory experiments demonstrating the existence of a micro space 398 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,760 war. 399 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Explored the concept of linear displacement, check out his documents to science behind 400 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Bruce Gurren's flight. 401 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,440 And remember, Chelsea, this is the news portion of his website. 402 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,560 We're going to scroll down a little more. 403 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,760 We have a few emails that we can send them and then right below that, what is this? 404 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:13,640 This is his rates for appearing on a TV documentary, a TV interview, a photograph with him and 405 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,960 to charter his plane. 406 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,640 Does he appear in any of these? 407 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,640 Yeah. 408 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,560 For the low price of $5,000. 409 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,200 If you are doing a TV documentary, you can bring Bruce Gurren onto it and Chelsea at 410 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,200 one, a welcome right now to the podcast. 411 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Bruce Gurren is what I would be saying right now. 412 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,760 If you listening would pay us anything, but we can't even if you did, they're not going 413 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,080 to pay us $5,000 and we're not going to blow it up. 414 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,080 We might blow it up. 415 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,360 I have so many questions for this guy. 416 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:49,980 So Chelsea, this is Bruce Gurren, the guy who claims to have actually created it. 417 00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:54,280 Nobody else online claims to have created the idea of electronic fog and I can't find 418 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,200 outside of him claiming it. 419 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,400 Anybody talking about it? 420 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,880 So this is what electronic fog actually is when you're talking about it. 421 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,880 Is what he says. 422 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,080 But I have so many questions about has he appeared on a TV documentary? 423 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,160 Does anybody actually pay him $5,000 too? 424 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,840 I don't know if he was bitten in the past. 425 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,960 So he said no, I have to put it up front or if people have actually paid it. 426 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,000 It's hard to say at this point. 427 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,280 Like why not wait for the email and then send them this chart? 428 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,040 But I love how it's called product name and then the description and then the bulk prices. 429 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,560 His name is all the retail unit prices. 430 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:35,480 And also it's much cheaper to charter his plane and ask him for a documentary. 431 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,480 Yeah. 432 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,400 Just getting him to sit down and ask the question. 433 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,400 Like much, much cheaper. 434 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Much cheaper. 435 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Like a quarter of the price. 436 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Yes. 437 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,360 I don't know what means. 438 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,040 Animated videos 15 to 30 seconds. 439 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,600 $500 a video. 440 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,320 I don't know what that means either. 441 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,320 It's bizarre. 442 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,320 This is weird. 443 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,720 Next up, we're going to just head to a store for a quick second. 444 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,960 So you can just see the majesty that is the one shirt that they offer. 445 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,880 First of all, I like how it's just like prices are there first and first and foremost, they 446 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,360 have it right at the top. 447 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,960 Before you even get to see the shirt, they got to tell you the price. 448 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,440 And unfortunately, if you're on the smaller end and by smaller end, I mean medium to large, 449 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,240 they don't offer a small or below in any way. 450 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,760 The medium, the largest sold out. 451 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,280 That leaves size extra large to extra extra large. 452 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,800 So you got your prices right there. 453 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,880 You know what you're getting into before you even see the shirt. 454 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,880 The old out. 455 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,800 Hey, these beauties are sold out. 456 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,480 Of course, we got what I assume has to be the bonanza flying in to whatever he flew 457 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,480 into, I guess. 458 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,480 Yeah. 459 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Saying right. 460 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,880 I got to say, it's a really odd shape of graphic right across the chest. 461 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,880 It's like an oval. 462 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,880 No, it looks fine. 463 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Don't you see the people on the right? 464 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,720 Looks great. 465 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,200 Oh, no, I see them. 466 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,200 And it. 467 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,400 Do you see the font that words on it enter the beauty triangle and on the back and says 468 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,120 travel through time. 469 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:10,080 It also seems like there's a watermark on there and it says something about the fall. 470 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,080 Oh, yeah, it does. 471 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080 I'm both. 472 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Yeah. 473 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,080 The fog. 474 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,880 It seems like they photoshopped in the plane flag through in the wrong color on the back 475 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,880 of. 476 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,080 Anyhow, I'm sorry, we should get back to this episode. 477 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,920 I always look a good look in a web. 478 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,760 If anybody wants to make up for activating, give us money to interview this guy on our 479 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,760 podcast. 480 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Please buy us his shirt. 481 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,960 Worst case scenario, we'll use it as a tent. 482 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,800 Chelsea, I need to take you now to the Bermuda files videos link on here. 483 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,640 This takes us to the YouTube page for this guy and Chelsea. 484 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,520 Oh, TV documentaries. 485 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Hold on. 486 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,440 I need to see how many paid him $5,000. 487 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,680 He's been on history channel and discovery. 488 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,440 He's actually I've seen this guy before. 489 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,720 Okay, to the video and I've seen electronic fog speculated on both these channels on episodes 490 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,280 of whatever in the past. 491 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,640 So one guy taking a picture of Chelsea. 492 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,800 Most importantly, we need to go to videos for them because we need to go to their YouTube 493 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,400 channel or Muda files YouTube channel. 494 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,400 Yeah. 495 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,600 And Chelsea, first and foremost, I think this is the first guy we've looked at. 496 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Who we have a similar Internet following to. 497 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,640 And I don't understand how this guy has been on history and discovery channel. 498 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,960 He has 203 subscribers. 499 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Does he upload regularly? 500 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,840 Well, his newest video was published nine days ago. 501 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,640 Oh, this is oldest video. 502 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,160 He's been on, okay, he's been on YouTube for a year. 503 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,880 So I guess it's not that bad. 504 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,200 He's I guess behind us, but he's got more followers or whatever. 505 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,080 Are we going to watch one of these? 506 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,480 Like we're going to watch one of them, but I just want to talk to you about it first. 507 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,480 Okay, fair enough. 508 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,280 His videos have like 160 views, 250, 600 views. 509 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,480 Like, I think our best episode actually has better viewership than his best episode. 510 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,120 I can't say electronic fog is like, I mean, yeah, it's kind of a cool topic, but. 511 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,120 But it just boggles my mind. 512 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,880 Anyhow, this guy's going to explain Chelsea on his main YouTube page. 513 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,680 This first video that starts auto-playing is the one we're going to look at together, 514 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,680 okay? 515 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,160 And we're going to listen to this guy get together. 516 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,160 Let's do that. 517 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Hello, this is Bruce Gernon. 518 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:27,560 This thumbnail shows the two magazine covers from 1948 and 2005, when my first book about 519 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,200 the Bermuda Triangle came out. 520 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:35,360 The second magazine shows me flying an airplane about to enter a thunderstorm vortex tunnel 521 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,720 in 1970. 522 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,360 He uses the term picture and drawing interchangeably. 523 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:48,320 So just the way he describes this throughout this video that is seven minutes long, it's 524 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,000 going to be hilarious. 525 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,880 He doesn't describe it as an artist rendition. 526 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:59,120 After I survived flying through that tunnel, I was given credit for calling the term electronic 527 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,120 fog. 528 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:05,960 Obviously, the Bermuda Triangle mystery is not solved yet, but I feel confident that 529 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:12,920 the thunderstorm vortex tunnels and electronic fog will someday be known as the main components 530 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,160 of the mystery. 531 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,960 This still shot shows the dates of when I experienced a space warp. 532 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:24,000 Notice they are the same date and time, but my plane is 80 miles apart. 533 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,280 This is not possible, but with quantum entanglement teleportation, it would be possible. 534 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,320 The event horizon is a boundary beyond which events cannot affect an observer. 535 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,080 So I theoretically traveled 80 miles in an instant and it had no effect on me. 536 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,120 I'm sorry, just listen to how he describes this. 537 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,960 Flying through the tunnel is where I feel the space time warp took effect. 538 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:53,520 I could actually see the fabric of time changing when entering the tunnel and it lasted for 539 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,040 20 seconds. 540 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000 It should have taken around three minutes. 541 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,360 When I exited the tunnel, I felt a strange feeling of zero gravity and hydroplaning as 542 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:09,840 if the tunnel had spit us out and it lasted for about 10 seconds. 543 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,320 Was I speeding up or slowing down? 544 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Similar to these elements was the tunnel connected 80 miles ahead on the other end of the tunnel 545 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,920 and we came out only 10 miles offshore from Miami. 546 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,320 And I just love that he described the fist still shots and they were very clearly just 547 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,320 drawings. 548 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,240 And can you hydroplane in a plane? 549 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,600 I don't think so. 550 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,600 No, that's not true. 551 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,760 Sorry, because they have like the float planes and Chelsea. 552 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:44,240 This, this part right here is truly what separates our understanding of electronic fog, just 553 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,720 kind of like what you would hear and think it is from what he actually means by electronic 554 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,720 fog. 555 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,200 I've been working with a scientist named Professor David Parris for over a decade now 556 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,880 and he believes when I came out of the tunnel, I was transported inside what is known as a 557 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,040 warp bubble drive. 558 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:11,880 This was created by a scientist named Miguel Albuquerie and this diagram shows how it works. 559 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,680 The space in front contracts and the space behind expands. 560 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,920 It's like surfing on a wave of space time. 561 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:27,080 This done by wrapping the space around the ship and creating a bubble of space time that 562 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,040 will go faster than light and travel through time. 563 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,920 When I was inside the tunnel, it looked and felt as if we were going faster than normal, 564 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,320 but inside the electronic fog, speed seemed normal. 565 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:48,320 If this is what happened to us, we would have been traveling close to 2,000 miles an hour 566 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,640 to reach Miami in only three minutes. 567 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,500 And NASA is developing an Albuquerie warp drive. 568 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:59,880 This colorful and beautiful video shows what it might look like when a spaceship flies 569 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,880 through the universe inside a warp bubble. 570 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,520 These diagrams of wormholes that I have explained on some of my other videos, this is what I 571 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,080 think I flew through. 572 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,720 Professor Parris and I have been together on many TV documentaries about the Bermuda 573 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:20,320 Triangle and this is a clip from one of those videos where he is explaining what happens 574 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,360 to space time when it's compressed. 575 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,440 Let's put a piece of paper up onto our screen. 576 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,560 Point A, point B. 577 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,920 Now let's take the piece of paper and now fold it. 578 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,360 And now we're crossing point A to B, but obviously it's a far less distance to cross 579 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,120 to these two points as it is with the paper stretched out. 580 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:50,640 And this essentially is what space warp is about, the compression of the fabric of space. 581 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,640 So Chelsea, that is the rendition of Bruce Gernon's idea of what electronic fog is, 582 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,080 which if you coined the phrase, I guess is technically what it should be. 583 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,880 Well, I did find out by watching that that he most definitely did write his website. 584 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,480 Oh yes. 585 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,200 And also that it definitely happened because there's photos of it. 586 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,240 There's still shots from this event. 587 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,880 Just so we're all on the same page, there are wormholes in electronic fog that just 588 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,120 like move us anywhere in the world, apparently. 589 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,440 But for him, just made it like kind of weirdly fast to get somewhere. 590 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,120 Like you know when you're commute home is usually an hour with traffic, but there's 591 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,600 no traffic one day and you get home and it was only like 25 minutes. 592 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,880 You're like, wait, it should have taken 40 minutes even without traffic. 593 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,880 Yeah. 594 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,380 That's basically his story. 595 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:41,880 That sounds exactly. 596 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,720 I mean, it wasn't that much of a time, was it? 597 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,720 No, it was. 598 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,000 He said maybe it took half the time it should have and in any event, we haven't talked about 599 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,440 the fact that he doesn't bring up anybody from air traffic control on either end to 600 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:02,280 confirm the times or two, that there couldn't be some sort of error in what time he left 601 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,440 or what time he got there. 602 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Well, that was going to be my next question or was he always just taking a long way to 603 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,360 get there? 604 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,400 No, the fog forest of the straight path. 605 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:19,480 Or maybe it's the original idea of electronic fog and it can mess with digital thoughts. 606 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,960 He left at like 1215 and it restarted at 12. 607 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,480 Maybe something like that. 608 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,480 Yeah. 609 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,480 Okay. 610 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,480 So many possibilities. 611 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,560 But no, this guy is all in on electronic fog is a wormhole that shoots you through things 612 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,560 faster. 613 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640 And yeah, that apparently is what electronic fog is. 614 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440 Not just messing with electronics. 615 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120 And he's the only guy that talks about electronic fog. 616 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,200 There's people that talk about electronic fog. 617 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,080 He's the only one who kind of describes himself as like the first hand account and the pioneer 618 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,600 of studying it. 619 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Okay. 620 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Is he studying it or just like? 621 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,280 Well, apparently this professor I need to look at is studying it. 622 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,880 He has not put time into his website. 623 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,640 He's put all his time into research. 624 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,400 Hold on. 625 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,960 It literally just suspended in front of my eyes. 626 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,520 The website for this guy. 627 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Okay. 628 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,520 Well, I still have suspended. 629 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,160 If this is your domain, contact your service provider for more information. 630 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,560 Wait, there's a button for skip to content. 631 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,560 Oh yeah. 632 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,560 Oh fuck. 633 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,960 Oh, it's only if you click on anything is suspended. 634 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Damn it. 635 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,960 Okay. 636 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880 Well, you were right. 637 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,920 Chelsea, you should know that this isn't the only area of the world that apparently 638 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,000 experiences electronic fog. 639 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,520 Lake Michigan apparently also has experiences with it and the South China Sea. 640 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,520 Oh, okay. 641 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,160 I should say I was not able to look into any experiences in the South China Sea. 642 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Apparently they don't exist as far as my research can find or my searching online can find. 643 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,160 So it's just one of those like, yeah, it's one of those things that just kind of comes 644 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,160 up. 645 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,360 So whatever we do find things like that. 646 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,240 Lake Michigan does have the Lake Michigan Triangle, which we'll probably do it later 647 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,240 date so I don't want to spoil anything with this. 648 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,560 However, Lake Michigan is prone to fog. 649 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920 It's called, I closed it. 650 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:19,120 It's a specific kind of fog that it's prone to just because it's a fresh water body and 651 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,880 experiences fog whenever the air temperature is going to be lower than the water temperature, 652 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,240 which is going to be very common in Northern latitude. 653 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,480 Hold on. 654 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,320 What does other fog come from? 655 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,440 There's other reasons for fog. 656 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,960 But yeah, land fog has different reasons than water fog. 657 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,240 Are they made up of different things? 658 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,440 No, they're both going to be made up of water. 659 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800 But the reason they would happen is just different. 660 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,440 The reason they happen is different. 661 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,840 And secondly, it's also kind of commonly understood that there are magnetic deviations 662 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:56,560 and declinations in Lake Michigan, which leads to it actually having some magnetic anomalies 663 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,560 occur. 664 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,400 So if you're actually navigating on Lake Michigan, you should be an experienced voyager. 665 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Okay, weird. 666 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,520 So like that in itself, I guess technically our understanding of electronic fog is yeah, 667 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,480 that would meet the definition, I guess. 668 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,160 That would meet my definition. 669 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,160 Not this guy. 670 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,160 Who's this guy? 671 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,160 Bruce Gurney. 672 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,160 Yeah. 673 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:22,320 But he's got a shirt and whoever just told me that I couldn't find a shirt to buy for 674 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,320 them. 675 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,400 We can fucking make a shirt. 676 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,600 And on the front, it'll say this is electronic fog, not fucking Bruce Gurney. 677 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,600 Yeah. 678 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,600 What is it called again? 679 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,600 Bruce Gurney. 680 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,240 His and his freaking good time point. 681 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,640 Oh, it's a bonanza. 682 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,680 Yeah, it is bonanza. 683 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:46,160 Okay, Chelsea, to finish this off, I brought up that the electronic fog is an example 684 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,080 of the Hutchison effect in the natural world. 685 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,720 Oh yeah, you said that. 686 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,720 Yeah. 687 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:56,160 I think he has a great article on the Hutchison effect that we're going to read from now. 688 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Okay. 689 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,400 While attempting to recreate the experiments of Nikola Tesla in the late 1970s, Hutchison 690 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,000 claims to have discovered new phenomena, including effects manifesting in metal. 691 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000 The effects of his experiments supposedly included metal objects floating to the ceiling, 692 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,720 shattering, melting, while keeping and closing wood cool, fusing with other objects and other 693 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,720 interesting manifestations. 694 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:23,040 These disparate manifestations are all being lumped together under the name Hutchison effect. 695 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,120 Explanations of the effect rely heavily on technobab, especially referencing zero point 696 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,840 energy and the Casimira. 697 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,880 In particular, Hutchison claims to have invented batteries called crystal batteries or Hiroshima 698 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,800 cells, which are capable of creating free energy. 699 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,600 This purported technology revolution, which he says has the potential to change the world 700 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,880 around us, is yet another example of Hutchison's extraordinary effects. 701 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,160 It's certainly odd too when one considers the fact that no other scientific breakthrough 702 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,720 has ever been blocked in such a way in democratic countries such as Canada and that making such 703 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,960 breakthroughs should make a person a billionaire. 704 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,920 No attempt to replicate Hutchison experiments by a third party has so far been successful. 705 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,440 Many agencies, including NASA, have attempted to recreate the Hutchison effect. 706 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,880 After attempts of testing, Mark Millis, NASA's head of finding new propulsion methods for 707 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,520 spacecrafts, wrote, the Hutchison effect has been claimed for years without any independent 708 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,520 verification ever. 709 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,560 In fact, its originator can't even replicate it on demand. 710 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,840 This has been investigated more than once, been part of documentaries on the Discovery 711 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,960 Channel but still never seems a past critical muster. 712 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,220 This is in the category of folklore. 713 00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:35,160 In general, the quote American anti-gravity and quote website caters to such folklore 714 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,680 in its enthusiasts. 715 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,560 Hutchison himself has claimed to replicate the results numerous times prior to 1991 while 716 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:48,480 admitting some footage he has released since at $100 per tape was faked as he is no longer 717 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,080 able to recreate the effects. 718 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,280 He assumed that nobody would notice that the levitating objects were actually falling in 719 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,880 front of an upside down camera or held up with invisible strings, which he had fully 720 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,800 tried to convince his audience record supplying power to the levitating object. 721 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,320 As Hutchison said, the string is not string but number 32 gauge double polythermalized 722 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,680 wire on a take up reel with 20 to 50 thousand volts DC. 723 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,800 The main apparatus was turned on causing the toy plastic UFO to fly all about in amazing 724 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,800 gyration. 725 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,160 This was a pre-test to Griffin films airing this fall for Fox TV. 726 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,680 I did not need the extra high voltage 2000 time period, so the toy levitated without 727 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,160 a high voltage hookup. 728 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,120 During the filming for Griffin there was a string on the toy no high voltage DC but 729 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,480 interesting movements. 730 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,600 Him Ventura later removed this explanation from the American Anti-Gravity website and 731 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,920 claimed that Hutchison got creative with the video footage because the EPA won't let him 732 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,320 do experiments anymore. 733 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,440 The levitation event is mockingly reproduced by Ace Baker and Bill Beatty. 734 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,880 When asked why he is unable to demonstrate the results of his experiments anymore, Hutchison 735 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,800 claims he has been coerced and had his work destroyed by the government which then used 736 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,520 his technology Chelsea to do 9-11. 737 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,800 Right, I was going to go with her. 738 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,800 Nope 9-11. 739 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,320 Why I say that after you already told me the answer. 740 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,320 Not sure 9-11. 741 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,320 Makes sense. 742 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,760 But yeah, that's what I got for Electronic Fog. 743 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,000 Cool Fog. 744 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,480 There is so much going on behind of that two word reference that you put in that episode 745 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,480 two years ago. 746 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:33,520 I'm glad that Hutchison, you let us like bask in that a little bit before you actually 747 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200 let us down. 748 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,560 I feel really bad for the people who we got through the Gernon Explanation they say but 749 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,880 it's similarity to the Hutchison effect. 750 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880 Surely that will hold up. 751 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,720 And I guess in a way it did. 752 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,640 I quite enjoyed that episode. 753 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,640 Thank you. 754 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,120 I always enjoy a good website look. 755 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,600 Yeah, especially whenever we're dealing with an asshole, I'm kind of torn on whether or 756 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,920 not to consider going in an asshole or not. 757 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,040 For the most part, he seems like a good pilot. 758 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640 He was licensed to serve with the Coast Guard. 759 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,680 He's been flying for like over 40 years, so I don't know. 760 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,960 In theory, pilots are the ones that you want to give like, they're credible. 761 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,600 And especially if you need a pilot, it's a reasonable rate if you're going to compare 762 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,080 it to bring him a modern documentary. 763 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:26,560 It's true, it's true, which makes me question how good of a pilot he could be. 764 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,440 Yeah, actually, you know what? 765 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,160 We need to go watch his documentary he's been on and then say, okay, he's only a quarter 766 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,880 of a good as a pilot. 767 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,560 And where is he going to take me if I pay him to be a pilot? 768 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,040 Well, we're going to be in Florida, so he's going to take us between Florida and Florida 769 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,600 Beach, is my guess, on the bonanza. 770 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,600 Hopefully. 771 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,920 I don't know, I'm paying good money. 772 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,360 I want him to take me there, not like freakishly fast or a time warp or something. 773 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,360 You know what? 774 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,360 That's going to be the awkward part. 775 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,360 We're going to start interviewing him. 776 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,840 It's going to get there too fast. 777 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840 He's going to say goodbye. 778 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,320 But yeah, I was a little worried when I was like, I'm not getting anything from this. 779 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,040 And then I realized I needed to fully embrace Bruce Gernon's website to make this episode 780 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,160 full and by God nailed it. 781 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,600 Well, thank you for letting us know. 782 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,600 Right. 783 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,600 So is it real or not? 784 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,440 Do we get there? 785 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,320 Scientists have never agreed that it's a real thing. 786 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,800 It's never been studied properly. 787 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,120 Right, you started off with that. 788 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,320 Otherwise, yeah. 789 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,320 Much less. 790 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,960 That's only talking about the idea of what we kind of thought to begin with is what 791 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,960 electronic fog is. 792 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,960 Boy, was I wrong. 793 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,720 And at the end of the day, fogs are just clouds. 794 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,680 And an electronic cloud is a thunderstorm. 795 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,120 Oh, you're right. 796 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,560 And people fly through thunderstorms all the time. 797 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,560 It's not going to transport you anywhere. 798 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,600 Yeah, it's like a zappy cloud. 799 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,600 Yeah. 800 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,600 Thunderstorm. 801 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,640 So I understand it could definitely exist, I think, but I don't think it's going to 802 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,320 transport you through space and time. 803 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,800 Not a thunderstorm, no. 804 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,120 And in any way that wouldn't be the regular passage of it. 805 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120 Yeah. 806 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,120 But yeah. 807 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,120 Okay, I enjoyed that. 808 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,120 Thank you. 809 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,120 Good. 810 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,120 Anything you want to bring up at this point? 811 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,320 No, nothing that I want to bring up. 812 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,320 Okay. 813 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,120 Well, I have been Taylor here, 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