From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, helping you be ready for the weirdest trivia
night you could ever possibly be invited to.
Don't worry, your hypothetical trivia team will surely be grateful and you're welcome
for that.
Such a good idea.
We are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, here today to tell you about some natural
phenomena plaguing the world.
I'm not going to start this off with the WHAT we're talking about, but the WHERE, for
the most part, we'll be talking about.
And that WHERE is Bermuda in its triangle spot.
Okay, and what else is happening in this episode?
You distracted me.
We have covered this episode in the past somewhat.
Chelsea, this was in season 2, early on, episode title, mysteries covered many sizes, but one
shape where we covered the Bermuda Triangle.
You offhandedly kind of made a statement.
Right now?
Sorry, no, on that episode, where one of the explanations for things that happened at
the Bermuda Triangle is electronic fog.
And by golly, today's episode is on electronic fog.
What the hell?
You distracted me.
I thought it was but the Bermuda Triangle.
Yeah, it is, but don't worry, we're going to get to all of this.
Oh, I'm confused.
Okay, let's talk about it.
We're going to go over, first off, the common understanding of what electronic fog is, first
hand accounts of it, second hand accounts of it, and importantly, what it actually is
from there, because my god, is it something different from what the common understanding
of it is?
Okay.
It's going to take a few turns from there.
Is this in the Bermuda Triangle or out in some kind of way?
It is most commonly noted in the Bermuda Triangle.
Okay.
Can I guess at what it is?
Yeah, sure.
You know that snow on the TV?
Does that happen anymore?
Can you get snow on the TV anymore?
Well, no, but that's because we don't have analog channels.
Okay.
To me, it's stuff that makes up snow on the TV.
Okay.
Out in the wild.
Okay.
That's electronic fog.
You do know that the stuff that makes up the snow on the TV is literally just everywhere,
right?
It is.
Like that is literally the background decay of the Big Bang that you're seeing with
the snow on the TV.
What?
Yeah.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Yeah, you can look at that.
It's very true.
Okay.
Well, that makes me feel uneasy.
You know what?
Your understanding of it isn't that far.
I don't think away from what if somebody heard electronic fog, what I would understand
that to be is some sort of like ionized or electrical or somehow intensified fog that
messes with instruments.
Does that sound about right?
Yeah.
That's my understanding of snow on the TV.
So you think that it's just, okay.
We have very different understandings of snow on the TV.
And that is, for the most part, what the internet and when you kind of Google it and trigger
it all out.
Most people think electronic fog is.
Electronic fog resembles a grayish cloud of electromagnetic field that forms above oceans
or large bodies of water.
It seems to appear suddenly and inexplicably and coughing ships and aircrafts as it is
encountered and once enveloped by this fog, electronic systems and instruments on board
start malfunction.
Navigation equipment becomes unreliable.
Spatial disorientation sets in.
All the works there.
That's kind of the main understanding of what electronic fog is.
Okay.
What's it really?
We're not going to get to that yet.
We got to work our way through the story because once we get to that part, it's a very different
story.
Okay.
I'm looking forward to finding out.
Well, I'm going to end the episode now just so I can end on a disappointment.
Just kidding.
I'm finding an episode.
This is the thing about electronic fog.
I just need to make it clear.
There's no scientific proof that it exists.
No one has been able to study electronic fog.
It's all based on anecdotal evidence.
In all points towards eyewitness accounts of a fog engulfing something, screwing with
the navigational materials and then disappear or secondhand accounts where something disappears
and people see it go into a fog but not come out.
People also kind of claim that it is an effect that's called the Hutchison effect, which
has been scientifically studied.
Demonstrated by John Hutchison, which involves electromagnetic interactions that produce
unusual phenomena.
Some speculate that an electronic fog could be related to this effect.
There have been studies on geomagnetic anomalies, ocean currents, atmosphere conditions, aimed
to shed light on unexplained events within the region of the Burbida Triangle, but none
of them have seen electronic fog to study it.
I think that's the safest way to say it.
Does that all make sense so far?
Yeah, like it's just made up.
Except for that there's anecdotal stories of it.
Like from Burmida Triangle books?
Yeah, great way to put it.
Okay.
Gotcha.
It can also be called St. Elmo's Fire, which kind of confuses me but we'll kind of get
to that at a later point.
Okay, I was just gonna say, isn't that something else?
Yeah, it is something else, which is why it confuses me.
But I saw it run up several times and it can also be called St. Elmo's Fire, so I'm just
putting it here.
Okay, that's a weird thing.
Yeah, so it can be characterized by luminous glow appearing around pointed objects, such
as the mass of the ship or the wings of airplanes.
It occurs under specific atmosphere conditions.
This is what the people studying it say, who have not actually...
How do I put this where I'm saying it's not science is saying this, but people studying
it?
I don't think there's a proper word for it, but we're just gonna keep going.
No, I don't think there's a proper word for that.
While the term electronic fog is not universally defined across sources, it is closely related
to the broader concept of fog, which is a low-lying cloud that produces visibility to
less than 5-8 statute miles due to excess moisture condensing in the air.
The risk posed to pilots by electronic fog or similar atmosphere conditions stem from
several factors.
They lose their visual references, they have visual disorientation, they have equipment
malfunction, and they have an increased risk of collision, obviously due to those three
previous factors.
And strangely enough, and all my readings on this and the AI search prompts that I put
in, for some reason they gave me many tips for dealing with electronic fog.
So in serious risk of people missing this later on in the episode by drifting off or
leaving, although nobody leaves, let's face it.
No.
I'm just gonna put them here now.
It says trust your instruments and avionics, which I feel is a terrible piece of advice
when they're saying that the instruments stop working in this fog.
That seems like something AI would say.
Yeah.
Calibrate and maintain your equipment.
Make sure that you take instrument flying training, recognize symptoms of spatial disorientation,
remember the acronym ICEPLags, inversion, choreolus, elevator, false, horizon, leans,
autoconiesis, graveyard spirals, somatogravate.
Find oneself of various types of spatial disorientation and how to camdoract them.
For those that need it, I'm sure that helped.
Graveyard spiral?
This certainly sounds like something I need to remember.
I'm in a late time fog.
Make sure that you have good sleep and hydration.
Avoid alcohol and certain prescription medication.
Have familiarity with basic navigation techniques and continuously monitor and be vigilant.
My God, if somebody ends up in electronic fog and is listening to this episode, I hope
we save the life through this.
You are welcome.
I wonder what the odds of listening to this podcast while you're going through electronic
fog is.
It's not zero.
It's surprisingly not zero, yes.
It's not zero.
By implementing these measures, pilots can significantly reduce the risk of disorientation
or equipment valve function during sightings of electronic fog, ensuring safer flights.
Now I should bring this up now because it got brought up a little earlier and we're going
to bring it up again later.
I'm going to talk about John Hutchinson and the Hutchison Effect.
So he's a Canadian scientist actually based out of Vancouver.
Oh, nice.
And he demonstrated a similar phenomenon in his lab to electronic fog.
The Hutchison Effect occurs when electronic fields of different wavelengths interact
leading to strange occurrences.
These include objects rising from the floor and floating, water swirling in a cup, and
even objects shooting off at fantastic speeds.
So he's been able to prove somewhat in a lab, according to some, that electronic fog is
a natural occurrence that we could harness and at least allow formation.
Is a scientist?
That's actually a good question.
It never made my research.
We'll talk about him again later.
So let's talk about cases then where electronic fog has been alleged to have occurred.
In 1966, a tugboat captain named Don Henry was on his way from Puerto Rico to Fort Lauderdale
on a clear afternoon.
Suddenly, the compasses on his tugboat began to spin wildly as a strange darkness descended
on him and the horizon couldn't be seen.
Water was coming in all directions and their electrical power fell completely.
Dense fog covered their tug.
Luckily, the engine kept going and they moved out of the fog.
Looking back, the fog was densely concentrated in a solid block, what they described as a
bank, and inside this area the sea was boiling.
Outside this area, the sea was calm.
That's the end of that.
Okay.
Next one is a report from the British steamer, the Mohican.
Next from 1904.
From a length of time, the vessel was shrouded in a strange metallic vapor which glowed like
phosphorus.
The entire vessel looked as if it were a fire and the sailors flitted about the deck like
glowing phantoms.
The cloud had a strange magnetic effect on the vessel for the needle of the compass revolved
with the speed of an electric motor and the sailors were unable to raise pieces of steel
from the magnetized deck.
Captain Urquhart described the thrilling experience and his story is vouched for by his
men of the crew.
Quote, it was shortly after the sun had gone down and we were in latitude 37 degrees 16
minutes and long to 72 degrees 48 minutes.
Sea was almost as level as a parlor carpet and scarcely a breeze ruffled the water.
It was slowly growing dark when the lookout saw a strange grey cloud in the southeast.
At first it appeared as a stack on the horizon but it rapidly came nearer and was soon as
large as a balloon.
Quote, and the most important story for this episode is Bruce Gerdin.
According to Gerdin he departed from Andros Island in the Bahamas at 3pm on December
4th 1970 on his bonanza A36 along with his father and his father's business associate
on a flight that would take them through the Bermuda Triangle on their way to Bimini.
Along the way the plane was engulfed by a strange cloud that appeared to be following
the plane's movements forward and upward in altitude.
They eventually broke free from the cloud only to come to another similar cloud a short
distance ahead of them.
The exterior of the cloud appeared white fluffy and harmless so Gerdin continued ahead but
once inside the interior was revealed to be dark with flashes of light indicating that
they had entered a dangerous electrical storm.
At 327pm Gerdin turned the plane 135 degrees heading south in an attempt to break free
from the cloud.
At this point Gerdin radioed into Miami to notify them of their changing course.
As Gerdin attempted to flee the second cloud he discovered to his dismay that this first
cloud he escaped now appeared to be connected with the second cloud forming a tunnel around
the plane that appeared to be between 10 and 15 miles long.
Gerdin could see clear blue sky at the other end of his tunnel and decided that the safest
course of action would be to carry on forward through the tunnel until he got to the other
end.
Well inside the tunnel Gerdin noted that there were spiraling lines swirling in counterclockwise
motions along the interior as the plane progressed toward the opening.
The tunnel seemed to be continually shrinking in both length and diameter.
What seemed like a 10 mile tunnel at first that should have taken only 3 minutes to pass
through became a 1 mile long tunnel that passed through in 20 seconds.
As the plane crossed the edge of the tunnel its passengers experienced a sensation of
weightlessness that lasted about 10 seconds.
Instead of the clear blue skies that Gerdin first saw at the end of the tunnel they were
met with a blank gray haze all around them.
No sky, no ocean, no horizon, absolutely nothing but grayness.
Even described it as resembling a thick fog except for the fact that visibility appeared
to extend roughly 2 miles.
When they attempted to read their location via their magnetic and electronic navigation
systems they discovered that the instruments were malfunctioning.
Gerdin contacted Miami Air Traffic Control again to seek their assistance in identifying
their location via radar.
However Miami claimed that there were absolutely no planes visible on their radar anywhere
near Miami, Bimini and Andros.
Gerdin did his best to steer the plane towards his destination with nothing to go on but
his own mental compass.
After a few minutes the Miami radio controller announced that he had just spotted a plane
directly over Miami Beach heading west.
Gerdin did not believe that the plane the controller saw was there because they had
only been flying for 34 minutes and there was no way he could have reached Miami in
that amount of time.
It was then that the gray fog around them began to dissipate in a strange way that Gerdin
described his horizontal ribbons across the sky that gradually expanded until the fog
was gone.
With the fog gone, Gerdin could see that he was in fact right over Miami Beach.
With their visibility and navigation instruments restored, Gerdin landed the plane at Palm
Beach International Airport.
The entire flight lasted a total of 48 minutes.
Gerdin was baffled by the experience not only due to the weather and instrumental anomalies
but also because of the apparent time loss.
Even on the direct flights in the past, the trip from Andros to Palm Beach took a minimum
of 75 minutes in Gerdin's Bonanza 836 and this flight was anything but direct.
So he halved his time from Andros to Miami.
That's a pretty crazy story.
Yeah.
I can't say I'd get in a plane that was the type of plane was a Bonanza.
No, that just doesn't seem like Bonanza seemed like a fun time, not a safe time.
Yeah, I would say exactly that.
That's exactly what Bonanza says.
And Chelsea, it's at this point that I need to talk about where the actual idea of the
term electronic fog comes from.
And it is our man, Bruce Gernon himself.
And I need you to go to electronicfog.com now.
Okay.
Because I was going to say, like based on what they're saying is happening, I wouldn't
describe that necessarily as electronic fog.
This website's so great.
Okay, I'm here.
Is this a Bonanza?
I assume it's a Bonanza because man, does it come up a lot in his writing?
Okay.
Bruce Gernon is the man who coined the phrase electronic fog to describe what had occurred
to him.
And my God, does he have a different idea of what electronic fog is?
Okay.
Wow.
What the hell is going on on this website?
This website is not quite the 1990s flash websites that we're used to.
I mean, it doesn't look bad.
I wouldn't describe it as a modern website either.
No, it looks better than a hundred percent of what we look at.
It's very true.
And we didn't have to go on the way back, but she neither.
But we're going to talk about this.
So first and foremost, the first thing you're hit with when you go to electronic fog.com,
you got the ribbon at the top, which has all your choices.
And also a very weird photo of, I assume Bruce Gernon standing on the wing of his plane and
like,
Yeah, I've seen that come up a few times now.
And also there's planes flying around him and maybe his planes in the air too.
I can't quite tell from the picture.
Oh yeah, look at all the planes around him.
Yeah.
Next up below it is just like it's flying through some photos, which you're going to
see below.
They're all of planes.
But then it says, welcome to Bruce Gernon's electronic fog.
Bruce Gernon has been featured in over 60 television documentary series radio programs
about his experience of Bermuda Triangle.
His groundbreaking theory based upon first head experiences were counted in the fog,
the fog being the name of one of his books.
Okay.
Details are rare, natural phenomenon.
Not the actual fog.
Yeah.
That may be behind many of the seemingly paranormal happenings in the Bermuda Triangle causing
time distortion, pilot disorientation and equipment malfunctions.
To date, he has personally experienced the electronic fog twice over a period of three
decades.
He has researched his theory for over 50 years.
It is now considered the number one for Bermuda Triangle mystery.
And I don't understand that sentence.
Why is there like number one in brackets?
I know.
And it should be noted it says one and then brackets the number one and brackets.
In case just so that there's no confusion on which one he is talking about.
Oh, not One.
Yeah.
All right.
And Chelsea, we're going to check this out after, but I just need to see this the next
paragraph.
Please check out our new animated video that helps explain the experience that he had
back in 1970.
His new upcoming book titled Bermuda Triangle Survivor shall be published soon and will
be available to purchase on our website and on Amazon.
Young readers and all young readers is capitalized for some reason and all will appreciate this
book and can use it for reference book reports or interviews.
Why does it specifically first say young readers and all pilot tells what he experienced
in the heart of the phenomenon.
Electronic fog is considered to be a meteorological based phenomenon.
Okay.
I wrote this for sure.
Like what the fuck is this?
Yeah, it gets weird in parts.
Next up.
I lit jails.
What do you expect?
We're going to go to the news page.
Oh, I went to store.
No, we're not going to the store yet.
We're going to news page because of course first thing on the news page is Bruce Gertin's
biography.
Okay.
Oh my God.
There's another one with a number written out and then bracketed with a numerical number.
And no, most importantly, I love this Chelsea.
He's a world leading expert author, renowned researcher and theorist for the Bermuda Triangle.
He has published four bracket for close bracket books and he has appeared in over 50 bracket
60.
No more close bracket television documentaries, episodes, every channel's science channel,
BBC, ABC, CW network, travel and history channel.
Oh man.
You gotta love that he took away the ambiguity of writing 50 down.
Why isn't that 60 there?
What a different number to brackish.
Yep.
And that's why I don't think AI wrote these.
Best known as the pilot who, quote, holds the key to the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle
and quote, the only living witness to tell his story about being trapped in a tunnel
vortex that almost swallowed his small singledge of bonanza, A36 plane, the world leading
expert witness who has seen the fabric of time during his flight back in 1970 returning
from Andros Island.
A scientific breakthrough theory called quote, electronic fog and quote, has captured many
minds of professors, mainstream scientists and physicists.
Professor David Parris has researched Bruce Gurren's famous flight, link available for
his website.
You know what?
I did not check out that website.
I am now very interested about this and I guarantee you it's going to go to a dead site.
Why?
It's not a dead site, but my God, it's going to be its own episode because that is a 90s
website if I've ever seen one with nothing loaded.
My computer can't even deal with this website.
It's too advanced.
He recently conducted laboratory experiments demonstrating the existence of a micro space
war.
Explored the concept of linear displacement, check out his documents to science behind
Bruce Gurren's flight.
And remember, Chelsea, this is the news portion of his website.
We're going to scroll down a little more.
We have a few emails that we can send them and then right below that, what is this?
This is his rates for appearing on a TV documentary, a TV interview, a photograph with him and
to charter his plane.
Does he appear in any of these?
Yeah.
For the low price of $5,000.
If you are doing a TV documentary, you can bring Bruce Gurren onto it and Chelsea at
one, a welcome right now to the podcast.
Bruce Gurren is what I would be saying right now.
If you listening would pay us anything, but we can't even if you did, they're not going
to pay us $5,000 and we're not going to blow it up.
We might blow it up.
I have so many questions for this guy.
So Chelsea, this is Bruce Gurren, the guy who claims to have actually created it.
Nobody else online claims to have created the idea of electronic fog and I can't find
outside of him claiming it.
Anybody talking about it?
So this is what electronic fog actually is when you're talking about it.
Is what he says.
But I have so many questions about has he appeared on a TV documentary?
Does anybody actually pay him $5,000 too?
I don't know if he was bitten in the past.
So he said no, I have to put it up front or if people have actually paid it.
It's hard to say at this point.
Like why not wait for the email and then send them this chart?
But I love how it's called product name and then the description and then the bulk prices.
His name is all the retail unit prices.
And also it's much cheaper to charter his plane and ask him for a documentary.
Yeah.
Just getting him to sit down and ask the question.
Like much, much cheaper.
Much cheaper.
Like a quarter of the price.
Yes.
I don't know what means.
Animated videos 15 to 30 seconds.
$500 a video.
I don't know what that means either.
It's bizarre.
This is weird.
Next up, we're going to just head to a store for a quick second.
So you can just see the majesty that is the one shirt that they offer.
First of all, I like how it's just like prices are there first and first and foremost, they
have it right at the top.
Before you even get to see the shirt, they got to tell you the price.
And unfortunately, if you're on the smaller end and by smaller end, I mean medium to large,
they don't offer a small or below in any way.
The medium, the largest sold out.
That leaves size extra large to extra extra large.
So you got your prices right there.
You know what you're getting into before you even see the shirt.
The old out.
Hey, these beauties are sold out.
Of course, we got what I assume has to be the bonanza flying in to whatever he flew
into, I guess.
Yeah.
Saying right.
I got to say, it's a really odd shape of graphic right across the chest.
It's like an oval.
No, it looks fine.
Don't you see the people on the right?
Looks great.
Oh, no, I see them.
And it.
Do you see the font that words on it enter the beauty triangle and on the back and says
travel through time.
It also seems like there's a watermark on there and it says something about the fall.
Oh, yeah, it does.
I'm both.
Yeah.
The fog.
It seems like they photoshopped in the plane flag through in the wrong color on the back
of.
Anyhow, I'm sorry, we should get back to this episode.
I always look a good look in a web.
If anybody wants to make up for activating, give us money to interview this guy on our
podcast.
Please buy us his shirt.
Worst case scenario, we'll use it as a tent.
Chelsea, I need to take you now to the Bermuda files videos link on here.
This takes us to the YouTube page for this guy and Chelsea.
Oh, TV documentaries.
Hold on.
I need to see how many paid him $5,000.
He's been on history channel and discovery.
He's actually I've seen this guy before.
Okay, to the video and I've seen electronic fog speculated on both these channels on episodes
of whatever in the past.
So one guy taking a picture of Chelsea.
Most importantly, we need to go to videos for them because we need to go to their YouTube
channel or Muda files YouTube channel.
Yeah.
And Chelsea, first and foremost, I think this is the first guy we've looked at.
Who we have a similar Internet following to.
And I don't understand how this guy has been on history and discovery channel.
He has 203 subscribers.
Does he upload regularly?
Well, his newest video was published nine days ago.
Oh, this is oldest video.
He's been on, okay, he's been on YouTube for a year.
So I guess it's not that bad.
He's I guess behind us, but he's got more followers or whatever.
Are we going to watch one of these?
Like we're going to watch one of them, but I just want to talk to you about it first.
Okay, fair enough.
His videos have like 160 views, 250, 600 views.
Like, I think our best episode actually has better viewership than his best episode.
I can't say electronic fog is like, I mean, yeah, it's kind of a cool topic, but.
But it just boggles my mind.
Anyhow, this guy's going to explain Chelsea on his main YouTube page.
This first video that starts auto-playing is the one we're going to look at together,
okay?
And we're going to listen to this guy get together.
Let's do that.
Hello, this is Bruce Gernon.
This thumbnail shows the two magazine covers from 1948 and 2005, when my first book about
the Bermuda Triangle came out.
The second magazine shows me flying an airplane about to enter a thunderstorm vortex tunnel
in 1970.
He uses the term picture and drawing interchangeably.
So just the way he describes this throughout this video that is seven minutes long, it's
going to be hilarious.
He doesn't describe it as an artist rendition.
After I survived flying through that tunnel, I was given credit for calling the term electronic
fog.
Obviously, the Bermuda Triangle mystery is not solved yet, but I feel confident that
the thunderstorm vortex tunnels and electronic fog will someday be known as the main components
of the mystery.
This still shot shows the dates of when I experienced a space warp.
Notice they are the same date and time, but my plane is 80 miles apart.
This is not possible, but with quantum entanglement teleportation, it would be possible.
The event horizon is a boundary beyond which events cannot affect an observer.
So I theoretically traveled 80 miles in an instant and it had no effect on me.
I'm sorry, just listen to how he describes this.
Flying through the tunnel is where I feel the space time warp took effect.
I could actually see the fabric of time changing when entering the tunnel and it lasted for
20 seconds.
It should have taken around three minutes.
When I exited the tunnel, I felt a strange feeling of zero gravity and hydroplaning as
if the tunnel had spit us out and it lasted for about 10 seconds.
Was I speeding up or slowing down?
Similar to these elements was the tunnel connected 80 miles ahead on the other end of the tunnel
and we came out only 10 miles offshore from Miami.
And I just love that he described the fist still shots and they were very clearly just
drawings.
And can you hydroplane in a plane?
I don't think so.
No, that's not true.
Sorry, because they have like the float planes and Chelsea.
This, this part right here is truly what separates our understanding of electronic fog, just
kind of like what you would hear and think it is from what he actually means by electronic
fog.
I've been working with a scientist named Professor David Parris for over a decade now
and he believes when I came out of the tunnel, I was transported inside what is known as a
warp bubble drive.
This was created by a scientist named Miguel Albuquerie and this diagram shows how it works.
The space in front contracts and the space behind expands.
It's like surfing on a wave of space time.
This done by wrapping the space around the ship and creating a bubble of space time that
will go faster than light and travel through time.
When I was inside the tunnel, it looked and felt as if we were going faster than normal,
but inside the electronic fog, speed seemed normal.
If this is what happened to us, we would have been traveling close to 2,000 miles an hour
to reach Miami in only three minutes.
And NASA is developing an Albuquerie warp drive.
This colorful and beautiful video shows what it might look like when a spaceship flies
through the universe inside a warp bubble.
These diagrams of wormholes that I have explained on some of my other videos, this is what I
think I flew through.
Professor Parris and I have been together on many TV documentaries about the Bermuda
Triangle and this is a clip from one of those videos where he is explaining what happens
to space time when it's compressed.
Let's put a piece of paper up onto our screen.
Point A, point B.
Now let's take the piece of paper and now fold it.
And now we're crossing point A to B, but obviously it's a far less distance to cross
to these two points as it is with the paper stretched out.
And this essentially is what space warp is about, the compression of the fabric of space.
So Chelsea, that is the rendition of Bruce Gernon's idea of what electronic fog is,
which if you coined the phrase, I guess is technically what it should be.
Well, I did find out by watching that that he most definitely did write his website.
Oh yes.
And also that it definitely happened because there's photos of it.
There's still shots from this event.
Just so we're all on the same page, there are wormholes in electronic fog that just
like move us anywhere in the world, apparently.
But for him, just made it like kind of weirdly fast to get somewhere.
Like you know when you're commute home is usually an hour with traffic, but there's
no traffic one day and you get home and it was only like 25 minutes.
You're like, wait, it should have taken 40 minutes even without traffic.
Yeah.
That's basically his story.
That sounds exactly.
I mean, it wasn't that much of a time, was it?
No, it was.
He said maybe it took half the time it should have and in any event, we haven't talked about
the fact that he doesn't bring up anybody from air traffic control on either end to
confirm the times or two, that there couldn't be some sort of error in what time he left
or what time he got there.
Well, that was going to be my next question or was he always just taking a long way to
get there?
No, the fog forest of the straight path.
Or maybe it's the original idea of electronic fog and it can mess with digital thoughts.
He left at like 1215 and it restarted at 12.
Maybe something like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
So many possibilities.
But no, this guy is all in on electronic fog is a wormhole that shoots you through things
faster.
And yeah, that apparently is what electronic fog is.
Not just messing with electronics.
And he's the only guy that talks about electronic fog.
There's people that talk about electronic fog.
He's the only one who kind of describes himself as like the first hand account and the pioneer
of studying it.
Okay.
Is he studying it or just like?
Well, apparently this professor I need to look at is studying it.
He has not put time into his website.
He's put all his time into research.
Hold on.
It literally just suspended in front of my eyes.
The website for this guy.
Okay.
Well, I still have suspended.
If this is your domain, contact your service provider for more information.
Wait, there's a button for skip to content.
Oh yeah.
Oh fuck.
Oh, it's only if you click on anything is suspended.
Damn it.
Okay.
Well, you were right.
Chelsea, you should know that this isn't the only area of the world that apparently
experiences electronic fog.
Lake Michigan apparently also has experiences with it and the South China Sea.
Oh, okay.
I should say I was not able to look into any experiences in the South China Sea.
Apparently they don't exist as far as my research can find or my searching online can find.
So it's just one of those like, yeah, it's one of those things that just kind of comes
up.
So whatever we do find things like that.
Lake Michigan does have the Lake Michigan Triangle, which we'll probably do it later
date so I don't want to spoil anything with this.
However, Lake Michigan is prone to fog.
It's called, I closed it.
It's a specific kind of fog that it's prone to just because it's a fresh water body and
experiences fog whenever the air temperature is going to be lower than the water temperature,
which is going to be very common in Northern latitude.
Hold on.
What does other fog come from?
There's other reasons for fog.
But yeah, land fog has different reasons than water fog.
Are they made up of different things?
No, they're both going to be made up of water.
But the reason they would happen is just different.
The reason they happen is different.
And secondly, it's also kind of commonly understood that there are magnetic deviations
and declinations in Lake Michigan, which leads to it actually having some magnetic anomalies
occur.
So if you're actually navigating on Lake Michigan, you should be an experienced voyager.
Okay, weird.
So like that in itself, I guess technically our understanding of electronic fog is yeah,
that would meet the definition, I guess.
That would meet my definition.
Not this guy.
Who's this guy?
Bruce Gurney.
Yeah.
But he's got a shirt and whoever just told me that I couldn't find a shirt to buy for
them.
We can fucking make a shirt.
And on the front, it'll say this is electronic fog, not fucking Bruce Gurney.
Yeah.
What is it called again?
Bruce Gurney.
His and his freaking good time point.
Oh, it's a bonanza.
Yeah, it is bonanza.
Okay, Chelsea, to finish this off, I brought up that the electronic fog is an example
of the Hutchison effect in the natural world.
Oh yeah, you said that.
Yeah.
I think he has a great article on the Hutchison effect that we're going to read from now.
Okay.
While attempting to recreate the experiments of Nikola Tesla in the late 1970s, Hutchison
claims to have discovered new phenomena, including effects manifesting in metal.
The effects of his experiments supposedly included metal objects floating to the ceiling,
shattering, melting, while keeping and closing wood cool, fusing with other objects and other
interesting manifestations.
These disparate manifestations are all being lumped together under the name Hutchison effect.
Explanations of the effect rely heavily on technobab, especially referencing zero point
energy and the Casimira.
In particular, Hutchison claims to have invented batteries called crystal batteries or Hiroshima
cells, which are capable of creating free energy.
This purported technology revolution, which he says has the potential to change the world
around us, is yet another example of Hutchison's extraordinary effects.
It's certainly odd too when one considers the fact that no other scientific breakthrough
has ever been blocked in such a way in democratic countries such as Canada and that making such
breakthroughs should make a person a billionaire.
No attempt to replicate Hutchison experiments by a third party has so far been successful.
Many agencies, including NASA, have attempted to recreate the Hutchison effect.
After attempts of testing, Mark Millis, NASA's head of finding new propulsion methods for
spacecrafts, wrote, the Hutchison effect has been claimed for years without any independent
verification ever.
In fact, its originator can't even replicate it on demand.
This has been investigated more than once, been part of documentaries on the Discovery
Channel but still never seems a past critical muster.
This is in the category of folklore.
In general, the quote American anti-gravity and quote website caters to such folklore
in its enthusiasts.
Hutchison himself has claimed to replicate the results numerous times prior to 1991 while
admitting some footage he has released since at $100 per tape was faked as he is no longer
able to recreate the effects.
He assumed that nobody would notice that the levitating objects were actually falling in
front of an upside down camera or held up with invisible strings, which he had fully
tried to convince his audience record supplying power to the levitating object.
As Hutchison said, the string is not string but number 32 gauge double polythermalized
wire on a take up reel with 20 to 50 thousand volts DC.
The main apparatus was turned on causing the toy plastic UFO to fly all about in amazing
gyration.
This was a pre-test to Griffin films airing this fall for Fox TV.
I did not need the extra high voltage 2000 time period, so the toy levitated without
a high voltage hookup.
During the filming for Griffin there was a string on the toy no high voltage DC but
interesting movements.
Him Ventura later removed this explanation from the American Anti-Gravity website and
claimed that Hutchison got creative with the video footage because the EPA won't let him
do experiments anymore.
The levitation event is mockingly reproduced by Ace Baker and Bill Beatty.
When asked why he is unable to demonstrate the results of his experiments anymore, Hutchison
claims he has been coerced and had his work destroyed by the government which then used
his technology Chelsea to do 9-11.
Right, I was going to go with her.
Nope 9-11.
Why I say that after you already told me the answer.
Not sure 9-11.
Makes sense.
But yeah, that's what I got for Electronic Fog.
Cool Fog.
There is so much going on behind of that two word reference that you put in that episode
two years ago.
I'm glad that Hutchison, you let us like bask in that a little bit before you actually
let us down.
I feel really bad for the people who we got through the Gernon Explanation they say but
it's similarity to the Hutchison effect.
Surely that will hold up.
And I guess in a way it did.
I quite enjoyed that episode.
Thank you.
I always enjoy a good website look.
Yeah, especially whenever we're dealing with an asshole, I'm kind of torn on whether or
not to consider going in an asshole or not.
For the most part, he seems like a good pilot.
He was licensed to serve with the Coast Guard.
He's been flying for like over 40 years, so I don't know.
In theory, pilots are the ones that you want to give like, they're credible.
And especially if you need a pilot, it's a reasonable rate if you're going to compare
it to bring him a modern documentary.
It's true, it's true, which makes me question how good of a pilot he could be.
Yeah, actually, you know what?
We need to go watch his documentary he's been on and then say, okay, he's only a quarter
of a good as a pilot.
And where is he going to take me if I pay him to be a pilot?
Well, we're going to be in Florida, so he's going to take us between Florida and Florida
Beach, is my guess, on the bonanza.
Hopefully.
I don't know, I'm paying good money.
I want him to take me there, not like freakishly fast or a time warp or something.
You know what?
That's going to be the awkward part.
We're going to start interviewing him.
It's going to get there too fast.
He's going to say goodbye.
But yeah, I was a little worried when I was like, I'm not getting anything from this.
And then I realized I needed to fully embrace Bruce Gernon's website to make this episode
full and by God nailed it.
Well, thank you for letting us know.
Right.
So is it real or not?
Do we get there?
Scientists have never agreed that it's a real thing.
It's never been studied properly.
Right, you started off with that.
Otherwise, yeah.
Much less.
That's only talking about the idea of what we kind of thought to begin with is what
electronic fog is.
Boy, was I wrong.
And at the end of the day, fogs are just clouds.
And an electronic cloud is a thunderstorm.
Oh, you're right.
And people fly through thunderstorms all the time.
It's not going to transport you anywhere.
Yeah, it's like a zappy cloud.
Yeah.
Thunderstorm.
So I understand it could definitely exist, I think, but I don't think it's going to
transport you through space and time.
Not a thunderstorm, no.
And in any way that wouldn't be the regular passage of it.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Okay, I enjoyed that.
Thank you.
Good.
Anything you want to bring up at this point?
No, nothing that I want to bring up.
Okay.
Well, I have been Taylor here, Chelsea.
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