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We are your podcast hosts Taylor and Chelsea here today to take in a captivating Chelsea
episode.
And that is about all I can give you.
That's where my wit ends on the current state of affairs for Chelsea had done her thing.
I would like to see you go for it just a little bit more.
Sometimes.
But you actually, you have, I will give you that like you just said.
But the last time I got shut down hard, there was, it just was wrong.
It's true.
Anyhow, man, was this week's episode hard to pick and not for lack of ideas, but not
only do I like to split up the assholes with something light, but I did this like literally
a couple minutes before recording.
Just kidding.
I don't care about the order of the episodes.
But in those minutes before the recording, the deadpopes and I convened.
And after that, I thought Vatican secrets would be a nice episode for you because they were
so against this episode.
And in reflecting back at my research, the Vatican has so fucking many secrets that I
couldn't have possibly covered them all in one episode.
In fact, many of them are about fucking.
So I actually none of the ones I looked at were about fucking.
Well, that's good.
It can be its own episode.
Maybe that's our Valentine's Day episode next year.
Oh my God.
The sexy side of the boats.
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into the comments.
We've already covered one secret in an episode.
I think we all remember AI Ouija.
I think I just hit the quota for them to sponsor us now.
Yeah, we said it seven times.
Now you gotta, you gotta.
Yeah, now you gotta.
That's the rules.
Was this the first time that again?
For Arpinati.
Somebody tell him.
As I started going down the roads of secrets, thinking it would be a fun little episode,
it turned into a massive secret beast in which I had to cut it down to only three secrets,
maybe four, depending if you're good.
I know we also want to do an episode on popes.
So this will be a nice segue and also some fodder for a future episode.
So with that being said, let's jump into some secrets.
Chelsea, before we start, I just want to confirm we don't have to whisper the entire episode.
Right?
That's a good question.
We should.
Well, we gotta listen to it on level one.
Just turn it down so that you can barely hear it because I'm going to forget that I need
to be whispering.
Number one, I don't even know why this is a secret in the first place.
I would be proud.
Is it is it the Pope's secret marinara sauce?
That you know what this that secret would never slip.
Well, and everybody knows everybody knows the secret ingredient is adrenochrome.
So we can just leave it at that.
Adrenochrome.
Oh yeah.
Oh, it's adrenochrome.
I was just a little bit extra rosemary.
But adrenochrome is as close as you can get to souls.
Number one, the chief exorcist of the Vatican performed 100,000 plus exorcisms.
You heard that right.
Brother Gabriel M. Morrith is a late priest and served as the chief exorcist of the Vatican.
He served for 60 years and is believed to have performed approximately 160,000 exorcisms.
That's even more than 100,000.
Sorry, I gotta do the math on this one second.
60 years you said, right?
Yeah.
There are.
Yeah.
21,000.
How many demons is that?
Well, it's 21,950 days in 60 years.
He's performing eight a day, eight exorcisms a day.
I think he comes up how much that he's doing.
Okay.
So just I want to get this straight.
If he's just an average Joe working man who is working eight hours a day, taking his lunch
breaks, he's doing one an hour.
Yeah.
On average.
Okay.
I guess.
He might be doing some overtime here and there.
Yeah.
Maybe sometimes he's working Saturdays.
Well, they're exempt from labor laws, you know, they're usually one of those exemptions.
Are you following the...
You can continue with this.
Who knows?
The exorcism rate, however, is not just limited to the late chief exorcist.
It has been performed by various poach over the years.
Really?
Yeah.
Poach are doing the dirty work?
It's not really.
Is it dirty work?
Exorcisms?
Oh, yeah.
We did a whole episode on it.
I don't think they're all dirty work.
Like they exercised buildings and...
Yeah.
And then they need to take...
And they don't even care at what point the exorcism is at.
They need to go out to take their breaks and swing on swings and stuff.
Yeah.
Take their juice break.
And that's when the exorcism becomes so intense that people die, I think.
I can't remember.
There were just...
That is for sure.
I hope so.
It's a good episode.
You guys should go back and watch it.
Oh, yeah.
That was a great episode.
Top 5 best named episodes.
Oh, yeah.
Exorcism is good for the soul.
It's come up like recently before too.
In 2018, BBC reported that the Vatican welcomed 250 priests from across the world to an annual
workshop.
Amorthic co-founded the International Association of Exorcists in 1990 to help inspire and train
other priests.
Headquartered in Rome, its first international conference took place in 1994 and became a
biannual event.
The Vatican formally recognized the group in July 2014.
Amorth said he performed as many as 20 exorcisms a day at his peak.
He detailed the process in Marcelo Stanzione's 2020 book, The Devil is Afraid of Me, the
life and work of the world's most famous exorcist.
Amorth claimed exorcisms lasted about 30 minutes on average and it made little difference
if they were performed over the phone by a Skype or in person or by AI.
Sorry, Charles.
I have to ask, is it because they were useless?
None of them worked.
It's because they didn't actually work.
For the latter, Amorth had the assistance of four laymen who escorted patients to a room
away from the Roman streets, though that passerbys couldn't hear the screaming.
Despite performing an absurdly high number of exorcisms, one claiming as many as 160,000,
Amorth said fewer than 100 involved true demonic possession.
I wonder what the rest included.
In such instances, Amorth said the possessed would spit out shards of glass, pieces of
metal, rose petals, and other items.
He kept a collection of plastic figurines, nails, and keys as proof.
He also said he witnessed feats of superhuman strength like an 11-year-old boy hurling away
three police officers with ease.
He also claims to talk with the devil himself.
I just want to be sure.
Was that child doing that while he was on the phone?
Or was this one of the in person ones?
Also, I see the devil being Skype kind of guy.
I do love that he just threw them.
It's the same if I did it over Skype.
The implications of that are limitless.
I really can't really phrase it the first time he decided to do that.
Like, yeah, what's the difference?
Yeah, exactly.
I'm up for the water.
Oh, it's good.
And then he was like, let's just try this one over Skype.
And then he was like, hmm, same results.
Same to him.
Nothing.
And he did talk to the devil himself.
So I wonder if he came to the conclusion that the devil is just pissed off that he
always tried to help out people building churches.
And he just always got fucked over.
Honestly, I feel like the conversation with the devil was like, look, I got five more
minutes till my next one.
What do you got?
Make it quick.
Like what you gotta say, I don't really have time to talk to you.
I'm on the clock.
Do you want to help me build my true true not?
I'm actually feeling relieved that they have a chief exorcist role to fill.
Do they still have one like currently or has it been replaced by Friar Binati who is
being debriefed on things like Ouija.com?
How much did we make for that reference?
Nothing?
Okay.
It says right now it is.
No, never mind.
I think it is vacant.
Everybody talks about Gabriel, but he died in 2016.
Yeah, it's vacant.
Well, I feel like I couldn't fill a role at the Vatican.
Unfortunately.
This is the closest role.
How much did it pay?
Oh, is it open?
Does it say?
And sorry, I got to look annual salary.
Which is a poll mate.
Does he make this?
He would have to make a salary.
Doesn't come up.
Man, you know what?
This is a job for AI.
How much?
Okay, let's see what AI has.
So to continue on, why Taylor does the digging for us on salaries of jobs at the Vatican?
Oh, just take a look at like indeed.com for the chief exorcist application.
It's got to be up there.
There's a Pope's exorcist is actually a movie on Netflix at one point.
Don't hold me to it that it's still on there.
It stars Russell Crowe and is based on Gabriel Amor's case files.
If you're really interested in.
Hey Chelsea, I don't have a number for you, but AI is telling us to stay away as for the
salary.
Sorry, and this is co-pilot on Microsoft as for the salary of the chief exorcist.
It's essential to understand that this role is primarily a religious and spiritual calling
right there red flag rather than a conventional job with a fixed income.
Exorcists serve out of their faith and commitment to helping those in need.
Therefore, their competition is not based on a standard salary structure.
Okay, so that leaves me to believe that in his talking to the devil, he was on the devil's
payroll.
Yeah.
And he was just doing the loophole thing where the devil would come to collect because he
was making promises to the devil and he was just fucking the devil over.
And now I'm really curious how much the devil paid him per exorcism.
Yeah.
Because if I'm getting paid by the devil per exorcism, I would want to rush through
those.
Oh yeah.
And probably do them by Skype.
Well, to a by Skype, it's fine.
Give cats it at 45 minutes.
This is perfect.
Okay.
So there might be a double secret to this one.
Moving on.
Anyhow, if you guys feel the calling, apparently they don't pay per annual salary necessarily.
We don't know how it's paid.
Sorry.
Well, Chelsea does the next one.
I'm going to look up how much the Pope makes and how.
Hey, number two.
I have to prepare myself mentally for this one.
The Vatican helped Nazi war criminals escape the Allied forces.
I'd never heard this secret before.
So let's find out about it.
After the victory of the Allied forces in Germany to end World War II, the Nazis were
forced to seek refuge outside Europe.
Thousands of Nazis managed to escape to South America countries, specifically Argentina,
Chile, and Brazil.
I didn't know that.
Oh yeah, we knew about that.
We didn't know that.
Remember that one?
It wasn't a mini at that point.
That one about like...
Oh, the Confederate town?
Yes.
Yeah.
Confederato or whatever.
Yeah, I love that one.
Yeah, that was so weird.
The place where the South rose.
Yeah, so weird.
Harvard researcher Gerald Steinacker wrote a book that shows travel documents pointing
to the Vatican having helped the Nazis travel to these countries.
Steinacker argues that it was done with the hope of reviving European Christianity in fear
of the growing influence of the Soviet Union.
The Vatican, however, has refused to comment on these claims.
Now, I'm not reading a book by a Harvard researcher, but I did find this Guardian article.
Hopefully it's not written by the Harvard researcher.
Not sure.
It would be.
The article is titled, Red Cross and Vatican Help Thousands of Nazis to Escape Second
World War, the Guardian.
The Red Cross and the Vatican both helped thousands of Nazis war criminals and collaborators
to escape after the Second World War, according to a book that pulls together evidence from
unpublished documents.
The Red Cross has previously acknowledged that its efforts to help refugees were used
by Nazis because administrators were overwhelmed, but the research suggests the numbers were
much higher than thought.
Gerald Steinacker, a researcher, oh, damn it!
I was trying to get away from the Harvard researcher.
Gerald Steinacker, a research fellow at Harvard University, was giving access to thousands
of internal documents in the archives of the International Committee of the Red Cross.
The documents include Red Cross travel documents issued mistakenly to Nazis in the post-war
chaos, a throw light on how and why mass murderers such as Adolf Eichmann, Joseph Mengele, and
Klaus Barbi and thousands of others evaded capture by the Allies.
By comparing lists of wanted war criminals to travel documents, Steinacker says Britain
and Canada alone inadvertently took in around 8,000 former Waffen SS members in 1947.
Many of the basis of valid documents issued mistakenly.
The documents, which are discussed in Steinacker's book Nazis on the Run, How Hitler's Henchman
Fled Justice, offer a significant insight into Vatican thinking, particularly because
its own archives beyond 1939 are still closed.
The Vatican has consistently refused to comment.
Steinacker believes the Vatican's help was based on the hoped-for revival of European
Christianity and dread of the Soviet Union, but through the Vatican Refugee Commission,
war criminals were knowingly provided with false identities.
The Red Cross, overwhelmed by millions of refugees, relied substantially on Vatican
references and the often cursory Allied military checks in issuing travel papers known as
10-100s.
It believed it was primarily helping innocent refugees through correspondence between Red
Cross delegations in Genoa, Rome, and Geneva, showing it was aware Nazis were getting through.
Well, although the ICRC has publicly apologized, its actions went well beyond helping a few
people, and quote said Steinacker.
Steinacker says the documents indicate that the Red Cross, mostly in Rome or Genoa, issued
at least 120,000 of the 10-100s, and that 90% of ex-Nazis fled via Italy, mostly to Spain
and North and South America, notably Argentina.
Former SS members often mixed with genuine refugees and presented themselves as stateless
ethnic Germans to gain transit papers.
Jews trying to get to Palestine via Italy were sometimes smuggled over the border with
escaping Nazis.
Steinacker says that individual Red Cross delegations issued war criminals with 10-100s
out of sympathy for individuals, political attitude or simply because they were overburden.
Stolen documents were also used to whisk Nazis to safety.
He said they were really in a dilemma.
It makes sense they stole a lot of documents.
Yeah, well I mean that's true.
He said quote they were really in a dilemma.
It was difficult.
It wanted to get rid of the job, nobody wanted to do it end quote.
The Red Cross refused to comment directly on Steinacker's findings, but the organization
says on its website quote the ICRC has previously deplored the fact that Eichmann and other
Nazi war criminals misused its travel documents to cover their tracks end quote.
So I will admit this article was about both the Red Cross and the Vatican.
So either disregard the Red Cross part or regard it.
And wait for our episode on the Red Cross obviously.
Yeah.
It might not be their only bad thing.
I'm gonna go with no if this is one of the bad things that they've done.
Yeah, so I guess both the Vatican and the Red Cross populated various countries in the world
with Nazis.
Yeah.
So that's great.
I mean it's a good thing that they're not ready for a pre-surgeon say and all of their
children are just you know what probably in their 80s so like I guess they're not a big
concern but their grandchildren they're ready to rule the world.
That's unfortunate.
Yeah.
I mean the implications of that are like crazy when you start thinking about it.
Yeah.
Plus like I just said we had that one.
Notifications on the rise right now which is terrifying.
It is I know which is like crazy to think and I was just listening to behind the bastards
all about.
Was it dinosaurs?
What?
No.
Yeah that's the most recent episode of the dinosaur guy.
It's about dinosaurs?
Yeah.
No it was the one before that maybe about Germany.
Oh it was for Germany and like all the rearing of children yeah.
Yes it was how they like bred Nazis.
And they told them like you can't speak to children and they have to like wear that thing
that keeps their back posture perfect and it like pulls under their area.
Yeah you can't speak to them even as a baby like once they were born you had to put them
in a room and not talk to them or hold them.
You could only like feed them for 20 minutes and after that you like had to stop feeding
them.
Yeah if they didn't latch it was their own fault.
Yeah.
There is like so many episodes on it too and then they went on about.
The other end of the spectrum when the Nazis.
The other end the children of the Nazis and that one was bleak let me tell you that I
actually turned it off.
So on to number three the Vatican made money from the Holocaust.
Who would have thought after secret number two as labeled by the Vatican.
Oh wait okay I didn't realize they numbered their secret.
All of the stuff I never heard and like I said in my opener it just led me on this like
search for all this information that I couldn't have possibly put into one episode.
And yeah we have some good episodes coming up about not not no I keep referring to them
as Nazis now but it's the Vatican.
I mean what's the difference.
They've been apparently is it just more history.
Secret three the Vatican made money from the Holocaust.
So in addition to aiding the escape of thousands of Nazis from Europe the Vatican was also
involved in helping smuggle Nazi looted art golf and other property belonging to Jewish
families.
Did you say golf.
I did.
I don't know.
I got to the article I got this.
I'm not really sure what they were swiggling off that was golf.
One can only speculate clubs perhaps.
Oh about halfway through reading golf I was like golf can't be right but then I was like
maybe if no one questions it golf is right.
Well I hope we get this one past the listeners.
Gerald Posner an American journalist says that Bernardino.
No Gara apparently infamous person is going to say bad guy.
He might be a bad guy.
He's probably a bad guy but I don't know that for sure yet.
If you're infamous you're a bad guy.
Just say yeah have you heard about him Bernardino.
No Gara apparently I have but where I'm going to wait and see is that is this a I.
Taylor speaking.
I got to talk to the pope see if I should recognize this guy.
Okay no Gara the financial advisor to the Vatican is believed to have been one of a
Nazi spy.
He is believed to have instituted a horrifying scheme that allowed the Vatican to invest money
in Italian insurance companies that kept the assets from the life insurance plans of the
murdered Jewish families.
Since the Vatican was an investor not a direct insurer they did not need to return any of
the money made using the scheme.
I had a long look into this backstory here.
This is obviously a tiny portion of a way bigger picture going on but World War 2 obviously
played a huge role in the creation of the Vatican Bank as well as the unique power it
held.
As the allies imposed restrictions on bank accounts it became harder to move money around.
This Bernardino Nagara dude created the bank called the Institute for Religious Works in
1942 to avoid having financial transactions tracked through the western banks.
Because it resided in the Vatican City it was exempt from all wartime restrictions and
became the world's best offshore bank.
I was in quotes.
I kind of contest that a little bit because Switzerland exists not that far away.
Okay.
You can keep going but Switzerland has like all of the Nazi gold after this.
I mean maybe this is something to look into for another episode.
I do also want to state that you did say that this is a unique point in the Catholic Church's
history.
The entire time the Catholic Church has existed it's been a unique situation.
Oh yeah.
I don't think that we can say it's just like it's unique here it's always unique because
it's such a weird thing overall.
Yeah.
Well thank you for bringing that up.
This is just a tiny portion of a way bigger picture and I kept seeing the Nazis come up
in this history so I kind of did some like a little bit of googling which opened up a
lot.
A whole portion of this is the Vatican banking system that we only touch on a little bit here
making money from the Holocaust and I just mentioned the what is it called here the Institute
for Religious Works.
There's a whole other story to this.
I started writing it I realized it wasn't going to be covered in one episode so I left
that for another episode so it might be an interesting thing to look into but for right
now yes I agree with you and this is just a little tiny portion of the Vatican making
money off the Holocaust.
Yeah.
And sorry I just want to understand there they own the insurance company that was paying
out the life or should have been paying out the life insurance policies but they were
invested in it through the bank.
Okay.
From what I understand.
And yeah I just wanted to make sure because there's another way to make money off of life
insurance policies where you can technically take a policy out on somebody else where you
have a vested interest in and they weren't taking policies out on Jews so that's I just
wanted to make sure that wasn't what was happening.
Okay I was like is this another part and it very well could have but that's what we're
talking about.
We're just talking about investing in an insurance company.
The bank was invested in the insurance companies.
A German officer admitted to having many wartime spies in the Vatican one of them potentially
being Nogara.
He acclaimed an able financial advisor.
During the war Nogara began investing in Italian insurance companies which developed into stakes
that profited from the ongoing murders of Europe's Jews.
Osnir wrote these companies made money while keeping all financial assets from life insurance
policies of deceased Jewish policy holders and refusing to pay for those still living.
But because the Vatican was not a direct insurer it was never required to pay restitution after
the war.
Many financial records were destroyed during the war.
Wait but wouldn't the company that are invested in have to pay restitutions?
I'm sure it did.
So didn't they technically pay restitutions?
It sounds like from what I'm reading that they benefited from it and were specific.
Yeah but also the stock would have been impacted by the insurance company having to pay restitution.
Yeah I don't know the details.
I get that.
It's the corporate bureaucracy bullshit so we don't have to technically take it into
account but if they're only invested in a company that did the bad thing then that company
would have paid restitutions on their behalf I guess because they were invested in them.
Does that make sense?
Yeah it does make sense to them but would if they paid on their behalf would they then
would have been impacted by it?
The Vatican?
Well I guess because they wouldn't have got an increase in shareholder value and or a
dividend from it.
Let's go on and see what it says because I don't know for sure.
But then again this is not the Vatican saying all of this so this is I mean speculation.
The companies made money by keeping all financial assets from life insurance policies of deceased
Jewish policy holders and refusing to pay for those still living but because the Vatican
was not a direct insurer it was never required to pay restitution after the war.
Many financial records were destroyed during the war and the Vatican refused access to
its own records therefore the full scope of the scheme remains unclear.
Meanwhile the Pope at the time refused to publicly denounce anything the Third Reich
was doing even though the Vatican was one of the most informed institutions on the mass
killings long before the Allies discovered anything.
The Vatican Bank was the perfect place to hide billions of stolen wartime loot.
A church also aided and saved many Nazi war criminals after the war which refer back to
secret number two and so no it doesn't go into the details that you were speaking about
Taylor and I don't unfortunately have access to those records the council of popes here
turning to the fringe might but they do seem to be rather tight lipped about it.
Yeah I honestly for the most part like 95% of these popes that we're talking to are going to have
no idea about modern insurance policies so I understand.
Also like a good chunk of them are anti-semitic so I think they're also in agreement with what
happened. Yeah also just kept opening other doorways for me to look into things like I said
the Vatican Bank is one whole lot of bad stuff going on there and just something I learned
during this episode because I grew a curious this part of history would have been under Pope
Pius Pius X11. Pius sounds right yeah whatever Pius X11 or Pius II. X11. Oh the 12th. Yeah exactly.
I found an article in the Smithsonian magazine of all places a second secret source titled
secret giants discover newly unsealed Vatican archives lay out evidence of Pope Pius XII's
knowledge of the Holocaust. Pope Pius XII's silence on the fate of millions of Jews killed
during the Holocaust has clouded his legacy with controversy. This is now our second Vatican secret
to do with Nazis or third I've lost count here at this point. Two critics the Pontus refusal to
publicly condemn the Nazis represented a shameful moral failing with devastating consequences.
In his polarizing 1999 biography of Pius British journalist John Cornwell argued that the religious
leader placed the Papacy's supremacy above the plight of Europe's Jews winning a modicum of power
and protection from the rising threat of communism by becoming Hitler's Pope and pawn. Supporters
however say that Pius's silence was calculated to prevent German retaliation and ensure the continued
success of the Catholic Church's behind the scenes efforts to aid victims of Nazi persecution.
Documentation related to the Pope's wartime activities has long been housed in the Vatican
archives which remained largely close to researchers until earlier this year and this was during
COVID in 2020. Now historians examining new open files from the vast collections say they found
evidence detailed in German weekly Dizite that suggests Pius learned of the mass slaughter of
the Jews in fall 1942. The papers also indicate that on the advice of an advisor who dismissed
the reports as exaggerated the Pontiff told the United States government that the Vatican was unable
to confirm news of Nazi crimes. Interest in Pius's actions spiked in 1963 following the premiere of a
German play that portrayed the Pope as indifferent to European Jews suffering. In response to the
outcry sparked by the drama the Vatican published an 11 volume collection of the Pontus wartime
documents. The papers published in 1965 and 1981 are criticized as selective and insufficient according
to the New York Times Elizabetho the Leto. A crucial moment in Pius's relationship with the Nazis
arrived in 1933 when the then Cardinal spearheaded an agreement between the Germany Holy See and the
Third Reich. As Robert A Craig wrote in Jesuit publication America magazine in 2003 the so-called
Concordat was ambiguous in its day with Adolf Hitler treating it as a sign of international
approval of the Nazi regime and the Vatican simply stating that it was made to protect the
church's interests. Adopting a stance of official neutrality the Vatican refused to yield to allied
pressure to speak out against the Nazis and since everyone wanted to claim the Pope was on their
side political leaders weren't going to publicly chastise him or accuse him of cozying up to fascists
or Nazis. David I Kurtzer author of The Pope in Mussolini the secret history of Pius the this one
has one less one. Pius C. 11. X1 Pius C. 11 and the rise of fascism in Europe told Times Olivia B.
Waxman in 2019. I would actually be curious if that means that like Pius C. 11 was followed by
Pius XII who kind of ruled over it while the war was happening whereas Pius C. 11 was during the
rise of fascist Italy. Yeah because this happens. I also find it very interesting that the U.S. was
asking the Pope hey what's going on in Europe when they had allies there and also there had never
been to that point a Catholic president like they've been Protestant all the way up so like they
shouldn't like the Catholic Church like hey do you think that the Pope knows more of what's going
on than anybody else we should ask him yeah hey Pope what's going on people what's going on people
dying her religion you bring up a good point per religion news services Tom Hennigan historian
Hubert Wolff and the University of Moenster and a team of German academics traveled to Rome for
the archives historic unveiling in early March Wolff's team was only able to conduct research
for a week before COVID-19 shuttered the archives in that short time span the scholars
discovered a host of documents that in Hennigan's words do not look good for Pius or the Catholic
Church on September 18 1942 Pius's assistant the future Pope Paul VI V1 yeah received an eyewitness
report of incredible butchery of Jews and Warsaw one month prior Ukrainian archbishop
Pondre Shiptych that's this f***ing out perfectly you can bet had delivered a similar report informing
the Pope of atrocities carried out in the Leviv ghetto reports Herets over Azeroth soon after the
United States envoy to the Vatican asked if it could corroborate accounts of mass killings in
Warsaw in Leviv in response Vatican secretary of state Luigi Moglioni do you think that's
Mary on Luigi's last name you know no their last name is Mario it's it's canon oh right
where did we state it I don't believe we have information that confirms the serious news in
detail while sifting through the papers the researchers also found a memo from the Vatican
staffer that warned against believing the reports dismissing these accounts on the grounds that
Jews easily exaggerate and orientals a reference to archbishop Schipensky are really not an example
of honesty the memo was conspicuously absent from the 11 volume collection published by the Vatican
in defense of Pius's reputation reports religion news service this is a key document that has been
kept hidden from us because it is clearly anti-Semitic and shows why Pius the 12th we're back to the
12th to not speak out against the Holocaust wolf tells Catholic weekly kerchief and leban as quoted
by religion news service under normal circumstances papers covering Pius's papacy would have been
under lock and key until 2028 or 70 years after the end of his tenure but last year at the gathering
marking the 80th anniversary of Pius's election Pope Francis announced the archives impending
opening telling those gathered that the church is not afraid of history rather she loves it
who is she the church the church okay speaking with Reuters illyp writers Lula in February
other Norbert Hoffman the Vatican's top official in charge of religious relations with Jews wow
added I don't think researchers will find a smoking gun was that religious relations with
Jews expert wrong Pius's supporters many of whom had advocated for the Pope's canonization I love
that word by the way I was thinking of getting blasted out of a cannon went out that the Catholic
church saved thousands of Jews by hiding them in churches and monasteries across Italy as well as
the Vatican itself though accolades argue that Pius's inaction in silence allowed these secret
actions to continue critic cite the treatment of Jews living in Rome during World War two as mpr's
Sylvia Pegg Leoli points out a plaque standing just 800 yards from st. Peter's square states
on october 16 1943 entire Jewish Roman families ripped from their homes by the Nazis were brought
here and then deported to extermination camps of more than a thousand persons only 16 survived
Wolf says scholars are still in the early stages of determining the context surrounding the Pope's
actions we have to first check these newly available sources he tells kerchie and leban
if pious the 12th comes out of the study and the source is looking better that's wonderful if he
comes out looking worse we have to accept that too you to cope with 19 the Vatican plans to keep
its archive closed until summer at the earliest still says wolf to die zites Evelyn finger that's
a weird this article's a little out of days just a little well I thought it was so funny that the
Pope opened the archives with like being like we don't have anything to hide and like they found
all this stuff and then closed it immediately I can tell you that pious is not a dead pope convening
on journey to the fringe or maybe he is it's all very misty there's a lot of pious is they don't
differentiate themselves so it's hard to tell yeah however none of them are claiming to be this pious
very mystical and confusing and to finish up our episode I I wasn't prepared at how much
noxy talk there would be on this episode so I felt like some good news was in order because
good news includes aliens and UFOs because it makes us feel good so number four this is kind of five
it's hard to say though five they kind of mesh together very well yeah like five through eight
is that the secret the Vatican is hiding is evidence of aliens aliens are almost always the go to
cover up for many conspiracy theorists and the Vatican I mean if the number one answer for what
are you hiding is aliens if you were to ask anyone any person walking down the street what are you
hiding it's aliens guaranteed and the Vatican is no different than whoever's walking down the street
they're hiding aliens no exception some claim that in 1998 skulls with elongated heads and small
faces resembling the aliens from the alien franchise were found underneath the Vatican
apparently ever since the Vatican has kept all evidence of aliens secret not that that one was
really out in the open but ever since then everything else has been secret as to not discredit
Christianity some still believe that the Vatican has much more direct evidence of aliens with a few
even claiming that there are several live aliens tucked away inside the Vatican secret archive
I really hope that they're feeding those aliens that they have filed away in a filing cabinet
lest they disappear themselves like that one that John Lear talked about or less the aliens actually
believe in Jesus too like some of the aliens that I have come across but we've not yet done an
you know that could be the thing that that no if the Vatican wouldn't be hiding them if the aliens
also believed in Jesus oh no never mind guys yeah they would for sure tell us so why they would keep
aliens a secret and why such aliens would be living in the Vatican secret archive of all places
is unknown except for by the Pope's well yeah and possibly the astronomers working for the
papacy they have that whole wing of astronomy through the church which I've always found weird
but they have it yeah it is a little bit weird but I mean they have a bank so they got lots of money
to like yeah look for extraterrestrial life that's okay I mean okay I have answers that's
probably what it is they're searching for extraterrestrial life probably that but
doesn't that mean they don't have it or are they searching for its home they got a T uh both okay
but that's it yeah that's it that's all they're looking for and that's all of the secrets that
I have for today well that's good and I think we can very safely just entitle this the Pope and
the Vatican's Nazi secrets because it was very squarely in that it was a little Nazi heavy
yeah I would also be curious how many of those exorcisms happened to Nazis oh that's a good
question and importantly let's ask you guys right now uh we can wait we can speculate on it but most
importantly I want to know the success rate when you're performing 160 000 exorcisms you can't have
100% no well I mean maybe he like covers that up by saying like not many of them are actually yeah
and sorry this is this is outsider speculation that the talks with the devil were him getting
paid so there's that and also speculation on that one sorry go ahead oh I was just gonna say
he said like very few were actually possessions so at what point do you start counting them
or obviously not all of them real like then why do you have 160 000 exorcisms under your belt sir
it sounds like a liar immediately mm-hmm and the one thing I'm also concerned with is is it like
taking like medicine and if you don't get it gone the whole way does it make it worse so did he end
up with like super exorcisms after screwing up a few exorcisms there is a lot of questions and I
think I can answer for you yes if it's not gone the whole way like you're only just pissing it off
and of course it comes back with more rage yeah okay it's it's exactly like antibiotics and just
like yeah it's exactly like that yeah okay and also just are like antibiotics gotta take them all the way
and just so that we can finish off the pope doesn't take a salary per se however retired
folks do get a pension which is 3300 per month because there's one retired pope right now pope
benedict who didn't die in office he retired he gets 3300 a month so an annual salary right around
40 000 dollars wow don't popes usually die yeah they die yeah so that's kind of an oddity but it
does go to show that they rely on volunteers all the way to the top well we learned a lot of new
things in the summer we learned way too much you pope sorry that screwed over a little bit you did
live a lavish life most of you so that that's you know what we'll talk about you when we get there
anyhow I have been taylor here with chelsea we are journey to the fringe thank you all for
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