1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,000 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,120 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we are constantly referencing and building 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,800 the extended Fringe Podcast universe which we cover and today is definitely not going 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,040 to be an exception as Chelsea. 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:31,400 We are once again looking at this mess of a situation that is 1980s euphology. 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,600 We are your podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,280 And today, Chelsea, do you want to take a guess? 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Is it a person? 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,280 It is a person. 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,320 We're going to have to edit down the time here and make it seem like I did it really 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,320 fast. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Stanton Freeman? 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,720 It is not Stanton Freeman. 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,880 You want one more guess? 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,240 Is it an asshole or a good guy? 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,240 Definitely an asshole. 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,480 The Wonder Playground guy? 18 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:53,400 Oh no, it's not Erick and Dan again. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,400 I'm just forgetting. 20 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Damn it. 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Okay, okay, I give up. 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,400 Young's for help. 23 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,920 Chelsea, today we are going to cover the life of John Lear, which- 24 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,400 John Lear? 25 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,120 You are going to have a lot of fun with this. 26 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,640 Yes, another asshole. 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,640 Yes. 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,880 This is going to be a two-parter episode. 29 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:16,600 The first part is going to be kind of covering his life before euphology and then his first 30 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,880 dip into it. 31 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,280 The next episode is going to be kind of everything that comes from there. 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,080 So Chelsea, to start this episode off, we actually have to start prior even to John 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,580 Lear's birth. 34 00:01:27,580 --> 00:01:34,040 And that is with the life andatures of William Powell Lear, who is Bill Lear, John's dad. 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,400 And this is where all the fame comes from for John Lear for a long time. 36 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,360 Bill Lear is the founder of Lear Jets. 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,760 It is a very big family, very wealthy family. 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,760 I knew about that. 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,160 At least I knew John Lear was related to the Lear family somehow. 40 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,880 I did not know his dad also intended a type of battery eliminator for the B battery and 41 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,160 eight track cartridges for cars, as well as car radios. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,560 Wow, that's impressive. 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,320 I also have to say not that I don't love UFOs and look at what we're doing now with 44 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,920 our podcast, but I love these like super wealthy families and then their kids just like go off 45 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,400 and they're like, I'm going to be a UFO investigator now. 46 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,600 I'm sure this, you're going to obviously feel in about how it's going to happen. 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,320 But there was one in the Alaska one we just did that the guys were like, oh yeah, his 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,320 dad was the senator. 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,320 Like political. 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,760 And then this guy just like took in a different direction. 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Yeah. 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,560 I think there's something to it where they're just used to never hearing no and everybody 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,000 agreeing with them where they're like, oh yeah, I can talk about this and no, he's going 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,600 to disagree with me because I'm so smart. 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,040 I do legitimately think that's part of it. 56 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Not that I wouldn't do something like this to make it my job if I couldn't, but I still 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,160 haven't gotten there yet where I feel ready. 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,160 And I always feel doubt about what I'm doing. 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,800 Like it's a reason partially that takes a long to actually do an episode is you want 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,800 to make sure that everything is right where I just don't think that there's that certain. 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,600 If you're grown up in so much wealth and luxury, I don't think there's that push to be perfectly 62 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,200 right or to even have it questioned. 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Yeah. 64 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,880 In all the assholes we've done, it's a certain type of person that makes it in this field. 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,200 And that would be a whole spiel that I would have to go on an inherited wealth and billionaires 66 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,760 in the capitalist class, but this is just going to focus on John and his family. 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,560 And I'm not even going to talk about the life of Bill Lear. 68 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,800 I just need to make sure it's known that Bill Lear very well off, very wealthy. 69 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,460 He held in his 46 year career over 140 patents in his name. 70 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:40,440 So like just tons of inventions and money that are flowing in from these. 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,360 And from this, John Olson Lear, the John Lear that we're going to be talking about is born 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,440 on December 3rd, 1942 to Bill Lear and his wife, Moia Mary Olson Lear. 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,800 It's important to say the mom's name because I definitely think of him as kind of like 74 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,800 in that. 75 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,800 Oh, what's the name of that? 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,320 The aviator that Leo DiCaprio played. 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,320 The king. 78 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,600 That is that ridiculously wealthy guy from the 1920s, 30s. 79 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,160 Oh, catch me if you can. 80 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,040 Oh, the movie's the aviator. 81 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,280 Oh, okay. 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Anyhow, I definitely think of him as the gilded age class, very wealthy, just very 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,160 eccentric, married multiple times. 84 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,400 I think he has seven kids and all John Lear being one of them. 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,200 And in fact, the family is so wealthy. 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:27,120 His second and third birthday for John Lear were covered in the society pages of his local 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Ohio paper. 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Wow. 89 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Probably because they're so lavish. 90 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,120 You can actually see them online. 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,600 You have to subscribe to the website though to see them. 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,840 And I'm not going to do that because what am I made of emails to subscribe to get spammed 93 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:39,840 on now? 94 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:40,840 Yeah. 95 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,520 And just so that you can see a two year old birthday. 96 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,520 Not announcement. 97 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,520 He's covered. 98 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Okay. 99 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,960 In 1956, Lear flew his first flight at age 14. 100 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,920 His first solo flight was at 16. 101 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,200 And in 1960, Lear was hired as a pilot and public relations representative by his father's 102 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,200 company. 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,960 In 1962, Lear crashed a biplane during stunt flying at his boarding school. 104 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:06,560 He underwent an emergency tracheotomy, a five hour surgery and a long convalescence. 105 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,160 That year, Lear agreed to attend Pasadena, California art college, but lost the $5,000 106 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,040 he had been given for tuition in the stock market. 107 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,900 Lear graduates from the Institute LaRose boarding school in Switzerland and attended 108 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:21,200 Wichita State University. 109 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,240 And Lear claimed that in 1959, he became the youngest American ever to climb the Swiss 110 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,640 mountain, the Matterhorn. 111 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,400 And you'll see this claim made many different ways, either the youngest person ever to climb 112 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,520 the Matterhorn or the youngest American. 113 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,480 In any event, it's just one of those things that rich people can do because they got the 114 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:37,480 time and the money. 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,480 Yeah. 116 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,520 Lear had no way of becoming the youngest Canadian or anybody to climb the Matterhorn 117 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:47,160 because I was in no position to get there nor hire the staff to be able to climb it. 118 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,160 True. 119 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,160 It's true. 120 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,240 In 1965, Lear was employed by Paul Kelly Flying Services when its founder was killed 121 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,000 while piloting a Lear jet. 122 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Lear testified at the Civil Aeronautics Board investigation into the crash. 123 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,240 Between May 23rd and 26th, 1966, Lear and crewmates flew a record breaking flight around 124 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,520 the world in a Lear jet that covered 22,000 miles in 50 hours and 39 minutes. 125 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Then in August of 1966, Lear was featured in the Wichita Press after he piloted a Lear 126 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,520 jet carrying the rock band The Birds and the crew inspired them to write a song about 127 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,520 the plane. 128 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,880 The track is titled 242 Foxtrot, the Lear Jet Song. 129 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,800 And Sapples Lear's voice as he speaks over the radio, apparently. 130 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,880 I didn't actually listen to the song for this. 131 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:32,240 How life-changing would this flight have been to be like, I need to write a song about this? 132 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,160 And include the pilot's voice. 133 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,160 Yeah. 134 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,160 He must have been high. 135 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,080 They could have been high, yeah. 136 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,200 And after they were done, they were probably like, huh, I remembered it way different. 137 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,000 In 1968, Air Force personnel from Hamilton Air Force Base launched a rescue effort to 138 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,680 help Lear land after heavy San Francisco fog interfered with landing. 139 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,400 And traffic was cleared from the Golden Gate Bridge in anticipation of a forced landing 140 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,240 after a helicopter pilot established visual contact. 141 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Lear was able to successfully land at the base. 142 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:07,600 So eventually Lear ends up flying cargo planes for the CIA during the Vietnam era. 143 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:13,400 And he claimed to have flown secret missions for the CIA between 1967 and 1983. 144 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:14,920 Just some highlights from his career. 145 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,760 Okay, so nothing you can even prove. 146 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,120 I mean, as far as I know. 147 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,360 And in 1979, John's dad, Bill, passes away. 148 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,120 John's excluded from his father's will. 149 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Will, generous to John's children, but John himself receives $1, which he claims he never 150 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,160 actually received. 151 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,040 And this is a quote that he's given on many occasions. 152 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,480 One of the greatest laughs I get when I make speeches is when I talk about my father's 153 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,480 passing away. 154 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,800 I know he thought highly of me, for he mentioned me 60 times more than any of his children 155 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:42,840 in his will. 156 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,880 After each paragraph, his will states, except for John Olsen Lear. 157 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,600 So he says he was meant not much for this because it says except for. 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,720 And when it comes to the infamous will, John Lear says he doesn't really think it was 159 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,240 his father who cut him out. 160 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,360 I believe that mom forced him to cut me out because I was non supportive of the Lear fan 161 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,840 project is his statement. 162 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,000 I don't know what the Lear fan project is. 163 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,280 There were many different reasons that were given. 164 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,480 John specifically has said at times that it's because his father looked down upon pilots 165 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,000 and considered him like a bus driver of the sky. 166 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,800 So it was beneath his family. 167 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,320 My guess is, is that he's kind of a prodigal son, very wasteful, very eccentric in his 168 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,480 own right without having the business savvy that his dad did. 169 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,480 So he was just worried he'd blow the money. 170 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,600 That was my guess. 171 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,600 It's not mentioned anywhere. 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Was he a UFO investigator at the point that his dad passed away? 173 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,400 No. 174 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,760 And in fact, this is where we get into it. 175 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,880 So the dad dies in 1979. 176 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,160 But in 1980, Lear moves to Nevada and it's then that he becomes very interested in the 177 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:47,240 stories that began to proliferate among American researchers after the story of the alleged 178 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,600 crash of a flying saucer in Roswell, New Mexico had surfaced from public opinion thanks to 179 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,080 the work of Stan Friedman, Bill Moore and other investigators. 180 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,640 This was somewhat working with his background as he would head to Groom Lake on the outskirts 181 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:06,080 and basically look and watch for secret biplanes, which falls right into his background of being 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,640 an avid pilot. 183 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,680 How it works because he's a little fuzzy on the details. 184 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,480 But basically he worked for the CIA, so he has some connections with military. 185 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,840 They're talking about things that they have seen around Groom Lake and he gets involved 186 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,920 in that community. 187 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,040 He also gets involved on the internet early on and he ends up writing his working hypothesis 188 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:31,400 on what's going on with UFOs and posts it to this forum that we'll talk about a bit 189 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,400 later. 190 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,040 It's posted first on December 29th, 1987 and it gets revised again several times with 191 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,480 the final version eventually being established on August 25th, 1988. 192 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,960 And we're going to read a pretty big excerpt from this to kind of let us see how he fits 193 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,120 into this whole thing. 194 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,760 Okay, I'm ready. 195 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:54,800 John Lear is a Lockheed L-1011 captain for a major US airline and has flown over 160 196 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,320 different types of airplanes in 50 different countries. 197 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,320 He holds 17 world speed records in the Lear jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every 198 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,880 airman such as get issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. 199 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,000 Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies. 200 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,920 A former Nevada state senator candidate who is the son of William P. Lear, designer of 201 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,800 the Lear jet, Lear became interested in UFOs in the summer of 1986 after talking with the 202 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,480 United States Air Force personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing at Bentwater Air Force Base 203 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,480 near London, England and three small aliens walking up to Wing Commander General Gordon 204 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Williams. 205 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,480 That's the preamble. 206 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,080 This is actually called the UFO coverup by John Lear. 207 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,240 I think it gives you a bit of an idea of his personality as we read through it. 208 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,040 The Sun does not revolve around the Earth. 209 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,080 The United States government has been in business with little gray extraterrestrials for about 210 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,080 20 years. 211 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,600 That's the first paragraph. 212 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,440 I like it bold to begin with. 213 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:54,280 The first truth stated here got Giordano Brunos burned at the stake in 1600 for daring to 214 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,400 propose it was real. 215 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,320 The second truth has gotten far more people killed trying to state it publicly than he 216 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,840 will ever be known. 217 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,120 But the truth must be told. 218 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,480 The fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun was successfully suppressed by the church 219 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,200 for over 200 years and eventually caused a major upheaval in the church, government, 220 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,200 and thought. 221 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,520 A realignment of social and traditional values. 222 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,040 That was in the 1800s. 223 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,440 Now about 400 years after this first truth was pronounced, we must again face the shocking 224 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,440 facts. 225 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,880 The horrible truth the government has been hiding from us for over 40 years. 226 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,680 Unfortunately, the horrible truth is far more horrible than the government has imagined. 227 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:32,560 In its efforts to protect democracy, our government sold us to the aliens. 228 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,160 And here is how it happened. 229 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,000 But before I begin, I'd like to offer a word in defense of those who bargained us 230 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 away. 231 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 They had the best of intentions. 232 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,320 Germany may have recovered a flying saucer in 1939. 233 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,760 General James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to investigate reports of ghost rockets, 234 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,440 thousands of which have been cited over a seven month period. 235 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,000 The horrible truth was known by only a few persons. 236 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,960 They were indeed ugly little creatures shaped like praying mantises and were more advanced 237 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,280 than us by perhaps a billion years. 238 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Of the original group that were the first to learn the horrible truth, several committed 239 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,680 suicide, the most prominent of which was Defense Secretary James Forrestal, who jumped to his 240 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,560 death from a 16th story hospital window. 241 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:16,520 Secretary Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day. 242 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,760 President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws so tight that 243 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,680 the general public still thinks that flying saucers are a joke. 244 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,600 Have I ever got a surprise for them? 245 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:30,160 In 1947, Truman established a group of 12 men, top military and scientific personnel 246 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,160 for their time. 247 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,280 They were known as MJ-12 or Majestic-12. 248 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Although the group is today, none of the original members are still alive. 249 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,440 The last one to die was Gordon Gray, former secretary of the army in 1984. 250 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,760 As each member passed away, the group itself appointed a new member to fill the position. 251 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,680 There is some speculation that the group known as MJ-12 expanded to at least several more 252 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:51,680 members. 253 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,320 There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940s. 254 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,360 One in Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one in Laredo, Texas, about 255 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,320 30 miles from the Mexican border. 256 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,920 And yes, those who have listened to our previous episodes are starting to get weird flags from 257 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,280 this. 258 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:15,280 The cover-up was so successful that as late as 1985, a senior scientist with the Jet Propulsion 259 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,440 Laboratory, Dr. Al Hibbs would look at videotapes of an enormous saucer and state for the record, 260 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:26,080 quote, I'm not going to assign anything to that UFO phenomena without a lot more data, 261 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,080 end quote. 262 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,480 Dr. Hibbs was looking at the naked emperor and saying he certainly looks naked, but that 263 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,720 doesn't prove he's naked. 264 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean War and several more saucers were retrieved 265 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,000 by the Air Force. 266 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,200 Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 267 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,440 Some were stored at Air Force Bases near the location of the crash sites. 268 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,840 Some saucer was so enormous and the logistical problems the transportation was so enormous 269 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,680 that it was buried at the crash site and remains there today. 270 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,880 The stories are legendary on transporting crash saucers over long distances. 271 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,920 Moving only at night, purchasing complete farms, slashing through forests, blocking 272 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,600 major highways, sometimes driving two and three low boys in tandem with an extraterrestrial 273 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,880 load a hundred feet in diameter. 274 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,640 On April 25th, 1964, the first official communication between these aliens and the US government 275 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,480 took place at Holman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 276 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,520 The three saucers landed at a pre-arranged area and a meeting was held between the aliens 277 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,080 and intelligence officers of the US government. 278 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,760 During the late 1960s or early 70s, MJ-12, representing the US government, made a deal 279 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:41,200 with these creatures called EBEs, which Chelsea reminds me a lot of ebbs from Superline. 280 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,200 It did. 281 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,320 And yeah, I can't forget what the N stands for, but that's what it was, extraterrestrial 282 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,560 biological entities. 283 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,880 The deal was that in exchange for technology that they would provide to us, we agreed to 284 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,920 ignore the abductions that were going on and suppress information on the cattle mutilations. 285 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,400 The EBEs assured MJ-12 that the abductions, usually lasting about two hours, were merely 286 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,240 the ongoing monitoring of developing civilizations. 287 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,880 In fact, the purpose of the abductions turned out to be, they need six points here. 288 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,560 One, insertions of a three-millimeter spherical device through the nasal cavity of the abducti 289 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,560 into the brain. 290 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,760 The device is used for the biological monitoring, tracking, and control of the abducti. 291 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,400 Two, implementation of post-hypnotic suggestions carry out a specific activity during a specific 292 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,160 time period, in the actuation of which will occur within the next two to five years. 293 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Oh, they're mentoring candidates? 294 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,720 Yeah, that we're supposed to basically have done whatever they're supposed to do by 1993. 295 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,600 I was just going to say in the five years was what year, how many years ago. 296 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,400 Three, termination of some people so that they could function as sources of biological 297 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,000 material in some stasis. 298 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Four, termination of individuals who represent a threat to the continuation of their activity. 299 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,800 Five, effect genetic engineering experiments. 300 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,280 And six, impregnation of human females and early terminations of pregnancies to secure 301 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,080 the crossbred infants. 302 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,520 So that's why abductions happen, Chelsea, just so you're aware. 303 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,000 I've always wondered. 304 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,120 And there's going to be more to it too. 305 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,280 He's laid it out pretty good for us and why the abductions are happening. 306 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Yes. 307 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,720 I don't know why I've never found this list before when I've searched. 308 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,640 It's a popular Google search, by the way. 309 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,920 Why are abductions happening? 310 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,920 The US government was not initially aware of the far-reaching consequences of their deal. 311 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,880 They were led to believe that the abductions were essentially benign and since they figured 312 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,560 the abductions would probably go any way whether or not they agreed, they merely insisted that 313 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,040 a current list of abductees be submitted on a periodic basis to MJ12 and the National 314 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Security Council. 315 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,220 Does this sound incredible? 316 00:16:35,220 --> 00:16:38,720 An actual list of abductees sent to the National Security Council? 317 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Read on because I have news for you. 318 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,120 I just kept that in there for his flair. 319 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,880 He definitely has some personality. 320 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,320 Chelsea, this is just brace yourself for this. 321 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Okay. 322 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,320 Are you ready? 323 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Okay, I'm holding on. 324 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,600 The EVEs have genetic disorders in that their digestive system has atrophy and is not functional. 325 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Some speculate that they were involved in some type of accident or nuclear war or that 326 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,680 they possibly are on the backside of an evolutionary genetic curve. 327 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,680 In order to sustain themselves, they use an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from 328 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,640 the tissue they extract from humans and animals. 329 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,960 Note, cows and humans are genetically similar. 330 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,200 In the event of a national disaster, cow hemoglobin can be used by humans. 331 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,280 The secretion obtained are then mixed with hydrogen peroxide and applied on their skin 332 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,280 by spreading or dipping parts of their bodies in solution. 333 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,800 The body absorbs solutions and then excretes the waste back out through the skin. 334 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,680 The cattle mutilation prevalent through the period 1973 to 83 and publicly noted through 335 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,880 newspapers and magazine stories and documentaries produced by Linda Moulton-Howe for the Denver 336 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:50,160 CBS affiliate KMGH were for the collection of these tissues by the aliens. 337 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,160 Wow. 338 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,440 That was an incredible piece of work. 339 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,720 I assume he's done all the research on this to back that up. 340 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,880 And cited it, of course. 341 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:58,880 Yes. 342 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,880 Of course. 343 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,920 It keeps going. 344 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,240 I just need to finish this next little part before we make comment. 345 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,840 This has also been noted in human mutilations. 346 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,120 One of the first known mutilations was Sergeant Jonathan P. Lewitt. 347 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:16,600 His remains were discovered at the White Sands Missile Test Range in 1956, three days after 348 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,880 an Air Force major witnessed his abduction by a disc-shaped object at 0300. 349 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,800 We'll want to search for missile debris downrange. 350 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,960 From some of the evidence, it is apparent that this surgery is accomplished in most 351 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,640 cases while the victim, animal or human, is still alive. 352 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,880 The various parts of the body are taken to various underground laboratories, one of 353 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,680 which is known to be near the small New Mexico town of Chelsea. 354 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:37,680 Do you want to guess? 355 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,680 Aztec. 356 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,680 Dulce. 357 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,680 Dulce. 358 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,120 Oh, I should have known. 359 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,120 Yep. 360 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:47,880 And this jointly occupied CIA alien facility has been described as enormous with huge tiles 361 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,200 that go on forever. 362 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Witnesses have reported huge vats filled with an amber liquid with parts of human bodies 363 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,120 being stirred inside. 364 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,360 So yeah, that's why abductions happen, Chelsea. 365 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:04,640 I'm glad that we've finally been able to find the answer to let everyone listening know. 366 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:10,880 One question that is coming to my brain right now, which I'm sure we're going to get to, 367 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,840 is who does this guy know? 368 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Who is he friendly with? 369 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,120 That's a great question that I will be talking about in the next episode, but alluding to 370 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,600 someone through this reading. 371 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,600 I certainly know the group, I think. 372 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,040 It's MG12, Chelsea. 373 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,240 MG12. 374 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:35,080 But he does seem to be enlightened with some information that nobody else had at the time. 375 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,640 That we now know to be true. 376 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,240 And he's in Nevada and involved with Mufon in Nevada. 377 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,240 It's not ringing a bell. 378 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Okay. 379 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,200 I guess we're going to have to find out. 380 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,840 I would also like to state. 381 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,920 He has never said that this information comes directly from him. 382 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,120 He's not a primary source for any of this. 383 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,000 Oh, the cow stuff came from someone else. 384 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Linda, how? 385 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Oh, right. 386 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 He did say that. 387 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 My bad. 388 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000 She said that. 389 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Sorry. 390 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 He connects things. 391 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,120 So he definitely makes wild claim connections. 392 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,760 So he is doing research. 393 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,560 He's speculating, I think, is the way you should put it. 394 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,000 And he has definitely read the UFO lore of the time in interviews I've seen. 395 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,560 Like he's constantly referencing all the books that are out in the time. 396 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,400 Oh, it for sure sounds like he's in the know-how. 397 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,560 I would also like to point out that he says that Dulce is a CIA alien facility. 398 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,480 He worked for the CIA prior to this. 399 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,640 It's just kind of weird that he would be using a source that's saying this about somebody 400 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,640 he worked for. 401 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,760 He has no personal way of talking about it or I don't know. 402 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,320 It's just weird, isn't it? 403 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,200 I wonder if he could get in trouble. 404 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,000 Obviously he can't get in trouble for it for saying things like that, having worked for 405 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 them. 406 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Yeah. 407 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,240 Or dare I say it's just not true? 408 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,000 I didn't just say that. 409 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Never mind. 410 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,040 Let's wait until we're done this document before we lay the claim on us true. 411 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,360 And dare I say even till the second episode ends so that people listen to the second part. 412 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:13,000 After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of the nation's most secret test centers, 413 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,240 was closed for a period of about a year, sometimes between 72 and 74, and a huge underground 414 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,640 facility was constructed for and with the help of EBEs. 415 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,680 The bargain for technology was set in place, but could only be operated by the EBEs themselves. 416 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,720 Needless to say, advanced technology could not be used against the EBEs. 417 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,760 During the period 79 to 83, it became increasingly obvious to MJ12 that things were not going 418 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,760 as planned. 419 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,080 It became known that many more people in the thousands were being abducted that were 420 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,440 listed on the official abduction reports. 421 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:48,120 In addition, it became obvious that some, not all, but some of the nation's missing 422 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:53,120 children had been used for secretions and other parts required by the aliens. 423 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,920 Just picture in your mind these aliens with this goop. 424 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,360 Just like rubbing it all over their body. 425 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:04,320 I'm not like in the visual that it gives me. 426 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,760 According to some, there was an altercation between the US military and the aliens at 427 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,320 Dulce Laboratory, Special Armed Forces Unit was called in to try and free a number of 428 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,040 our people trapped in the facility who had become aware of what was really going on. 429 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,000 According to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed in the effort. 430 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,840 We've covered this in a previous episode. 431 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,200 By 1983, MJ12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had made in dealing with 432 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,200 the EBEs. 433 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,120 They had subtly influenced through Dr. Heineck, formerly with Project Blue Book, who had allegedly 434 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,720 broken ties with the Air Force in the late 60s but who in reality continued to be their 435 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,280 informant in his cover capacities as the director of the Center for UFO Studies, Closing Clowners 436 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:48,320 of the Third Kind, and E.T. to get public used to odd looking aliens that were compassionate, 437 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,320 benevolent, and very much our space brothers. 438 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:57,080 MJ12 had in effect sold the EBEs to the public and were now faced with the fact that quite 439 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,480 the opposite was true. 440 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,440 In addition, a plan had been formulated in 1968 to make the public aware of the existence 441 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,840 of aliens on Earth over the next 20 years to be culminated with several documentaries 442 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,000 to be released during the 1985-87 period. 443 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,040 These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the EBEs, discovery of the 444 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,520 Grand Eception put the entire plan, hopes, and dreams of MJ12 in utter confusion and 445 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,520 panic. 446 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,200 Meeting at the Country Club, a remote lodge with private golf course, comfortable sleeping 447 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,200 in working quarters, and its own private airstrip built by and exclusively for the members of 448 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,040 MJ12, it was a fractional fight of what to do now. 449 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Part of MJ12, which had now become military top heavy, wanted to confess the whole scheme 450 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,440 and the shambles it had become to the public, beg their forgiveness and ask for their support. 451 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,400 The other part of MJ12 argued that there was no way they could do that and that the situation 452 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,200 was untenable and there was no use in exciting the public with the horrible truth that the 453 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,680 best plan was to continue the development of a weapon or a plan of containment that could 454 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,280 be used against the EBEs under the guise of SDI, the so called strategic defense initiative, 455 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,920 which has nothing whatever to do with the defense for inbound Russian nuclear missiles. 456 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,400 In fact, the real purpose for SDI reached the plotting, tracking, and acquisition of 457 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,160 articles in deep space. 458 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,520 As these words are being written, Dr. Edward Teller, father of the H-Bomb, is personally 459 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,600 in the nuclear test tunnels of the Nevada Test Site, driving his workers and associates 460 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,840 in the words of one like a man possessed and well he should be. 461 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,280 Dr. Teller is a member of MJ12 along with Henry Kissinger, Admiral Bobby Idman, and 462 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,840 General Lou Allen. 463 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,720 Before the grand deception was discovered in following the plan of metered release of 464 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,120 information to the public, several documentaries and videotapes were made. 465 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:50,280 William Moore, a Burbank, California based ufologist, wrote The Roswell Incident, a 466 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,240 book published in 1980 that detailed the crash, recovery, and subsequent cover up of a UFO 467 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,680 with four alien bodies, has a videotape of two newsmen interviewing a military officer 468 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,280 associated with MJ12. 469 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,640 This military officer answers questions relating to the history of MJ12 and the cover up, the 470 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,920 recovery of a number of flying saucers, and the existence of a living alien. 471 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,920 The officer names names as previously mentioned plus a few others, Harold Brown, Richard Helms, 472 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,720 General Vernon Walters, and Dr. Theodore von Karman as being members of MJ12. 473 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,880 The officer also relates the fact that EBEs claim to have created Christ. 474 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,000 The EBEs have a type of recording device that has recorded all of Earth's history and 475 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,120 can display it in the form of a hologram. 476 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:36,320 This hologram can be filmed but because of the way holograms work it does not come out 477 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,400 very clear on film or videotape. 478 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,880 The crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives has allegedly been put on film to show 479 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,880 the public. 480 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,920 EBEs claim to have created Christ which in their view of the Grand Deception could be 481 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,680 an effort to disrupt the traditional values of undetermined reasons. 482 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,560 I know, we've talked about many of these things and you can clearly see where he's 483 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,920 just got one off on a tangent. 484 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:09,280 Like there's well known stuff in there that he's just connecting in really weird ways. 485 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,960 You can tell what's his stuff and what's not. 486 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,400 Horror is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages for which leaked out 487 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,960 several years ago, detailing the super secret NSA project which had been denied by them 488 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,040 until just recently. 489 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,800 And a letter to Senator Junglein, NSA's director of policy, Julia B. Wetzel wrote, 490 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,040 Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by the name Aquarius which dealt with UFOs. 491 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,400 Coincidentally there is also an NSA project by that name. 492 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,920 NSA's project Aquarius deals specifically with communications with aliens. 493 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,320 In the Aquarius program was Project Snowbird, a project to test fly a recovered alien spacecraft 494 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,880 at Groom Lake, Nevada. 495 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,360 This project continues today at this location. 496 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,600 In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake, quote, Our people are much better 497 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,240 at taking things apart than they are putting them back together. 498 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,080 Chelsea, I'll leave you to speculate on who this person is that's working at Groom Lake. 499 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,600 There's someone that works there, I know there is. 500 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Oh. 501 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840 Don't worry, we'll bring it up later. 502 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,680 Other SAASs are being trucked into Nevada test site in March of 1988. 503 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,560 Still another informant witness of SAASs are being buried at that location during the second 504 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,760 week of August 1988. 505 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Fuck it, just bury it. 506 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,800 The enormity of the problem must be driving more than a few at the top to drink. 507 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,360 But what about the rest of us? 508 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,280 Most of those reporting sightings are being viciously ridiculed by government sponsored 509 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,600 debunkers like Philip Klass, former avionics edition editor for Aviation Week, and space 510 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,360 technology NASA scientist James Oberg and a host of others. 511 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,600 When the truth does emerge, if it ever does, how is this shabby dishonest treatment of 512 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,160 totally sane, normal, patriotic citizens going to be justified? 513 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Now you ask, why haven't I heard about any of this? 514 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,200 Who do you think you would hear it from? 515 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,120 Dan Rathers, Tom Brocaw, Sam Donaldson? 516 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,120 Wrong. 517 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,520 These people just read the news. 518 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,520 They don't find it. 519 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,920 They have ladies that call and interview witnesses and verify statements on stories coming over 520 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:04,920 the wire. 521 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,920 They don't know what's going on. 522 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,720 But no one is going to risk their reputation on such outlandish ideas regardless of how 523 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,200 many people have reported sightings of 900 foot long objects running them off the road. 524 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,400 Well then you ask, what about our scientists? 525 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,560 What about Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clark? 526 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,560 Wouldn't they know? 527 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,200 If Carl Sagan knows, then he is committing great fraud through the solicitation of membership 528 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,480 in the planetary society to search for extraterrestrial intelligence. 529 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,120 Not because he's getting autographs. 530 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,400 Sorry, I had to add that part. 531 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,080 Others are right into which the US government dumps millions of dollars every year as the 532 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,000 radio telescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico. 533 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800 Operated by Cornell University with, guess who, Carl Sagan. 534 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,320 Cornell University is ostensibly searching for signals from outer space, a sign maybe 535 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,600 that someone is out there. 536 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,080 It's hard to believe that relatively intelligent astronomers like Sagan could be so stupid. 537 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,960 One current hypothesis is that from the available evidence it appears that the EBEs are trying 538 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,000 to regenerate their own species at our expense. 539 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,720 They have apparently suffered either some kind of nuclear holocaust or they may be on 540 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,520 the backside of a bell-shaped evolutionary curve where in essence they are devolving 541 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,760 instead of evolving. 542 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,800 In any case, according to the reports of several octopsies of aliens that had been leaked out, 543 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,720 the EBEs have an atrophy digestive system and other physical problems. 544 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,120 This would account for their attempts to crossbreed with us as outlined in Intruders by Bud Hopkins. 545 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,320 A detailed study of an Indianapolis woman who over several years produces seven cross-bred 546 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,320 alien children, none of whom she's allowed to keep, not that she wanted to. 547 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,680 Whatever the answer, these facts are indisputable. 548 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,760 The extent and number of the persons reported missing every year is closely regarded government 549 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,760 secret. 550 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,880 Since 1980 at least 20,000 children have been reported missing each year. 551 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Completely unrelated, but he did include that. 552 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,440 And cattle mutilations are regarded officially by the government as a hoax. 553 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,240 Humid abductions by aliens are officially regarded by the government as a hoax. 554 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,640 The latest poll shows that 88% of all Americans believe in intelligent life on other planets 555 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,840 is probable and that over 20 million Americans have seen what they believe to be a UFO. 556 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,640 But the US government officially dismisses the flying saucers as a hoax. 557 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,640 What do you think? 558 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,320 The best advice I can give is next time you see a flying saucer and are awed by its obvious 559 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,040 display of technology and gorgeous lights of pure color, run like hell and that is what 560 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,120 he ends off on. 561 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,720 So Chelsea, what do you think of all that? 562 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Well, I have been giving my two cents. 563 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,800 I think it's funny that he thinks that these people are just reading the news and there's 564 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:40,160 no irony at all that he just took stuff from other people and then put it together poorly. 565 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,880 It's kind of what I'm thinking. 566 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440 And we've broken down a lot of it as we are going. 567 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,400 We've covered many of the things that are said in this statement, which will be groundbreaking 568 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,400 at the time. 569 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560 It's really a transfer from like, oh, we're being visited to aliens too. 570 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,560 No, they're creatures. 571 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,720 We don't know what they're trying to do. 572 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,040 They seem to have a sinister thing, which is that 50 C in the 1980s. 573 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:06,080 It's really too bad that it was so saturated with this particular information at the time 574 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,720 that's being put forth by about four different people that all names keep coming up. 575 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,760 This is really all the information and it's still shaped the information we have to this 576 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,280 day, which is crazy. 577 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,760 Like it's coming from these people and then all these other people kind of I don't know 578 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,000 the connection at this point with him to these people that we are referring to. 579 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,640 It may still be a surprise to you when it comes up, but is he directly involved? 580 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640 It doesn't seem like it from that article. 581 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,720 Well, he's going to be directly involved. 582 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,480 It's going to come up and we're going to end off on this point in history. 583 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,920 That's all his research compiled and written down is what he has. 584 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,800 And he brings it 1987 to a newsroom in Nevada to basically say, I want to talk to somebody 585 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,100 about all the things I've compiled and who should overhear this? 586 00:31:53,100 --> 00:32:00,360 But a man who is only known at this point for investigations into no underground crime 587 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320 and the mafia in Las Vegas. 588 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:12,880 George Knapp overhears this and at this point begins his career as a journalist in Ufology. 589 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,560 And he sits down for an interview with John Lear in 1988. 590 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,960 And this is where I'm going to cut this episode. 591 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,600 This is the worst place to leave it, I am highly dissatisfied with this ending. 592 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,720 Well, then I guess you're going to have to stick around for part two. 593 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,720 That's going to be a riot. 594 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,200 I have to go kick a bison. 595 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,720 Oh, no, that man was a future listener to the podcast, wasn't he? 596 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,720 Fuck. 597 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,560 I guess the only way Chelsea is very dissatisfied and without words. 598 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,560 So I have been Taylor, Keeway Chelsea. 599 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,040 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 600 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,040 Goodbye. 601 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,800 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 602 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:54,000 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 603 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,920 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 604 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Also, please, if possible, leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 605 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,120 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 606 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,880 I bet you we are there. 607 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,360 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell 608 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,760 us that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email. 609 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,240 And at Journey to the Fringe at gmail.com. 610 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:48,080 For now, I'll see you in the next episode.