1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,160 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,720 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we ask hard-hitted questions like what 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,400 happened to that guy on Spotify who kept correcting the words that we were using? 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,400 I kind of miss him. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,360 Yeah, what did that happen to that guy? 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,360 Or girl? 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Yeah, it was a flash in the pan. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:33,400 They left as fast as they arrived and we're wiser for it, I suppose, but we miss them. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Anyhow, those are the kind of questions we ask around here. 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,120 We are your podcast host, Taylor and Chelsea. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Here today, I think talking about an asshole of the fringe community, but I shouldn't put 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,160 words in Chelsea's mouth because I did not do this episode nor hear any insight to it 13 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,600 beforehand, so I will leave it to her. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,960 It shows. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,960 Taylor made a guess. 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,040 I'm not going to tell you whether he's right or wrong until I'm about to immediately prove 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,280 whether he's right or wrong. 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:09,480 I decided today I needed to cover a lighthearted topic, knowing the future of what is to come. 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,520 I feel like the ghost from the Christmas Carol, the ghost of Journey to the Fringe, yet to 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,520 come. 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:21,440 I decided on a fun little guy that has fascinated me for a long, long time, yet I would never 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,880 touch to this day. 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,080 I always love a good guess. 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,080 Any guesses? 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,720 Is it the man who doesn't know what to do with his hands? 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,760 I'll give you another hint. 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,400 Me saying little guy may throw you way up. 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,800 This is not a guy. 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,800 It's not Linda Malton. 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,800 How is it? 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,800 No. 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,160 Is it a Bigfoot episode? 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,160 No. 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,400 Today I'm going to do a little delve into spirit boards. 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,400 Oh, okay. 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,320 I feel like there could be assholes involved in this. 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,320 There are. 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,320 I really threw you for a loop there. 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,080 I was doing all sorts of directions. 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,080 Yeah. 41 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Yeah. 42 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,880 Sorry about that, but I had to. 43 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,880 So I always forget to give you very basic details. 44 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,800 So when make my very best effort today, a spirit board is a flat board made out of wood or 45 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,800 cardboard. 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,800 What have you? 47 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,920 It has letters of the alphabet on it, number zero through nine. 48 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,000 The words yes and no, and sometimes hello and goodbye. 49 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,480 It depends on your board. 50 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,880 Then you have the planchette, which is a tier shaped little teardrop shape little thing 51 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,120 that may or may not have a window on it. 52 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,720 And the planchette moves across the board to spell messages out, mostly answers to your 53 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,880 questions, mostly spooky things from beyond the grave. 54 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,280 I just want to at this point, most people's understanding of a spirit board would be a 55 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Ouija board. 56 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Correct? 57 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Yeah. 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,280 I mean, that's what it's most well known as. 59 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,280 It's been. 60 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Yeah, but they wouldn't be. 61 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,400 It's within the category of spirit boards. 62 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,600 It's not the entire category, right? 63 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,920 That is what it is. 64 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:50,240 It was commercialized as a Ouija board. 65 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,880 That's like the particular brand name of, I think it's, I talk about it Parker Brothers 66 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,960 or something like that, that turned it into a game. 67 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,160 That's what that's known as. 68 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,640 The general board itself, an idea of it is a spirit board and they all pretty much look 69 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:06,640 the same. 70 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:10,760 You can see a lot of different ones, just that one in particular is commercialized as Ouija 71 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,760 board. 72 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,760 So then you have two or more people who sit around with their fingers on the planchette 73 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:22,840 and you ask questions to which the planchette would move on its own letter to letter to 74 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,280 answer the question. 75 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,280 So you best know how to spell or read. 76 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Yep. 77 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,080 Oh, I think they go hand in hand spelling and reading. 78 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,080 Do they not? 79 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,680 Maybe dyslexic people would probably beg to differ. 80 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,680 True. 81 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Okay. 82 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,600 So a couple of fun facts before we get started. 83 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,880 The Ouija board had actually been proven to work at the patent office before its patent 84 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,320 was allowed to proceed, which I talk a little bit later. 85 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,640 I'm just curious Chelsea, when they say it's proven to work for the patent, does that mean 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:58,840 you can move the planchette around the board or that spirit actually come through? 87 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,840 It must. 88 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,200 I actually am surprised that I put this here because I do talk about it again. 89 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Okay. 90 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,040 It does have to glide smoothly though, no matter who controls it. 91 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Ghosts also like a smooth planchette. 92 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,600 Today, even psychologists believe that it may offer a link between the known and the 93 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,680 unknown. 94 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,120 Also what I didn't include in this, which I probably should have, but I was short on 95 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:32,760 time, was that psychologists also think that it provides a really good link to our subconscious 96 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,440 when they're moving it around. 97 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,280 The name Ouija is trademarked by Hasbro. 98 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:38,520 Used to be Parker Bros. 99 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,040 Like the Mario Bros, but Parker. 100 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,480 But it also is widely used generically to refer to any spirit board. 101 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Do you think there's people that didn't know what brothers are until you said the Mario 102 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,440 Brothers? 103 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:51,440 Yes. 104 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,440 I assume. 105 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Okay. 106 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,440 That's where I know Bros. 107 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,720 We have such a weird audience. 108 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,160 Is it the audience or our reference? 109 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,800 Well, our references that attract this audience. 110 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:04,960 No, you're right. 111 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,800 I had to clarify for them. 112 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,680 I would have thought that the Ouija board went very far. 113 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,400 Now where do you think it goes back to? 114 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,760 Oh, I think I remember this. 115 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,880 It's the late 1800s, isn't it? 116 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,880 It's right around that spiritual area. 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,880 I do know that. 118 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Okay, we got to end this episode now. 119 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,400 You just do it. 120 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,400 I know too much. 121 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,000 That was literally the rest of the episode. 122 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,200 So okay, I found a few things. 123 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,320 So for me, I literally thought it would have went back to like the time that we were amoebas 124 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,400 or something, but it's way later than that. 125 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,400 And because I know in ancient Greece, they used to do... 126 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,400 They had the seers. 127 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,720 Yeah, and they got high and then told you what the gods wanted. 128 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,720 They had that. 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,160 They also had one where it wasn't the same as a spirit board, but they would do something 130 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,120 with mirrors as well. 131 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Can't remember exactly what it was, potentially for a future episode, maybe. 132 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,760 I don't know. 133 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,120 But before the spirit board came along, the first mention of something similar to this 134 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,480 was automatic writing, which was a precursor of this. 135 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:11,920 And it goes back to China around 1100 AD in historical documents in the Song dynasty. 136 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,640 The method was known as fujii, which is planchette writing. 137 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,360 The use of planchette writing as an ostensible means of necromancy and communion with the 138 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,040 spirit world continued. 139 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:29,240 And albeit under special rituals and supervision was a central practice of the Juanjian school 140 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,440 until it was forbidden by the Qing dynasty. 141 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:37,120 Actually, there's a ton of super interesting fortune slash spirit practices out of China. 142 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:42,120 There's bone scrying and the fortune sticks where you throw the sticks down and it tells 143 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,560 you the fate of everything and you make your decisions based on how the sticks fall. 144 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,000 They're kind of similar to things like tea leaf reading. 145 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,640 It's all on your actions to which how it plays out to describe your future. 146 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Actually that just made me realize we should do an episode in the future on... 147 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Yeah, I just thought that too. 148 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:00,800 Yeah. 149 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,800 We know what we're talking about. 150 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,800 I don't even think we need to finish that. 151 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Ripper's listening. 152 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,240 You the listener have been selected for these super specific things that we're mentioning 153 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,240 in this episode. 154 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Write it down please. 155 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,800 Send it to us in an email. 156 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,360 So the actual talking boards, not... 157 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,040 What was I just talking about again? 158 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Automatic writing. 159 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,040 We're familiar with. 160 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,400 They come up to us straight out of the American 19th century like Taylor just predicted and 161 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,400 ended the whole episode as we know it. 162 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,760 It comes out of the obsession with spiritualism that we've talked about before and makes many 163 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,000 sense that that's where it comes from. 164 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,560 We've talked about it actually on a lot of episodes. 165 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Blavatsky, Fox sisters, probably some other ones. 166 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,280 You'd probably just have to go back and listen to the whole catalog and go from there. 167 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,520 If you want a brief rundown of that, it would be around the 1950s-ish. 168 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,520 It's actually before that. 169 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,640 I don't know why I have the 1950s. 170 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,600 This is the late 1800s, not the 1950s. 171 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,600 That is very wrong. 172 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,480 Could it be 1850 and just the typo? 173 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,480 You're right. 174 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,200 1850...yeah, that does sound right. 175 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,200 1850s. 176 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,760 When people were obsessed with communicating with the dead. 177 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,480 The Fox sisters were huge. 178 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,840 Madame Blavatsky was surviving her fifth ship sinking. 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Seances were all the rage. 180 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,440 It was simpler times and honestly what a time to be alive. 181 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,920 Could you imagine when seances were like the thing to do? 182 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,520 That would be so cool. 183 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,480 Yeah, but that means that it's like the only entertainment around too. 184 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 I will much take my streaming services and our podcast over. 185 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,160 Seance was going on on the regular. 186 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,840 I wouldn't be mad if seances were like all there was to do. 187 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,600 So it makes sense for the times. 188 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,040 The average lifespan was less than 50. 189 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,200 Medicine was not what it is now. 190 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,400 Men went off to war and never came back. 191 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,800 People were rife with diseases we didn't know how to treat. 192 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000 And the American Civil War just ended. 193 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,500 Back to men going off to war. 194 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:02,640 And people wanted to connect with loved ones that had passed on. 195 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Oh, the use of talking boards was so common by 1886. 196 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Oh yeah, that was the tape on my. 197 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,760 That news reported the phenomenon taking over the spiritualist camps in Ohio, which was 198 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,320 part of the war. 199 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Leonard Novelty Company was the first producer of the Ouija board, filling a void of mere 200 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,440 instinct communication. 201 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,960 Someone was like, this is going too slow for them to crack their toes to the alphabet 202 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,120 that was happening at seances for someone to. 203 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,480 If you're confused, go back and listen to our Fox sisters episode. 204 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,640 So that was taking up too much time in people's lives, waiting for like wrappings to come 205 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,440 through the wall, toes to be cracked for the letters of the alphabet. 206 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,160 So they saw an opportunity. 207 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,960 I wish somebody would invent something that goes much faster. 208 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,000 And so the airport was born. 209 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,440 I would also assume that it would make spirit communication more accessible to everyone, 210 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,840 being that they wouldn't have to find a seance to attend to talk to a loved one. 211 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:08,120 Oh, some keen businessmen with no interest in seances at all. 212 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:14,080 They were like, pass spirit communication and market niche that they did, but name it. 213 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,960 They also did. 214 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,480 And I hope you're following me here because that was a beautiful sentence that I just 215 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,720 put together. 216 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:28,120 And one of the investors sisters, Ellen Peters knows worthy was a medium, which I think is 217 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,360 funny because they weren't into like medium shit. 218 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,360 Yeah. 219 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,480 And people were smaller back in the day. 220 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,480 Yeah. 221 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,480 What? 222 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,800 You'll get it eventually. 223 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,800 Medium. 224 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:39,800 On the rear. 225 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,080 Usually I get it when I'm really listening to it. 226 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,080 Yeah. 227 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,080 And you can always tell if I don't get it. 228 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,440 So they're sitting around the table playing the board in Baltimore, Maryland, and they 229 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,160 asked the board what should they call it and the name Ouija came through. 230 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,240 And when they asked what it meant, the board replied, good luck. 231 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,960 Oh, there's a little note here. 232 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,320 I didn't read this anywhere else, but I thought I'd throw it in anyway. 233 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,080 I'm just, you'll see. 234 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,480 How do you take the board saying good luck? 235 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,400 Like that's what Ouija means. 236 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Or do you take it more as like, good luck figuring that out? 237 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,960 Yeah, good luck. 238 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,960 And it's kind of a passive aggressive asshole. 239 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,920 And then it exploded and it's still in the room to this day. 240 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,640 Or good luck with your day. 241 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,320 Maybe they were about to die of dysentery. 242 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,320 Yeah. 243 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,040 It couldn't, it might not even be a related thought. 244 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,880 So that's generally the story of how it gets its name. 245 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,560 I didn't read this anywhere else, but I thought I'd throw it in. 246 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:46,280 The medium Helen, who was doing the spirit board reading, I don't know how you would 247 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,000 say the conductor of the spirit board. 248 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,840 She said apparently that she was wearing a locket bearing the picture of a woman. 249 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,360 And the person that was on the locket, they think is Ouija, who she admired. 250 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,200 And that Ouija was just a misreading of that. 251 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,200 So somebody was guiding the planchette. 252 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,200 Huh. 253 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,200 Okay. 254 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 The J and the D are very far away. 255 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Actually, I don't know. 256 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,360 I can't remember. 257 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Is Ouija board set up? 258 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Is it lay-down like a keyboard? 259 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Yeah. 260 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Is it a keyboard-based? 261 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,240 No, I think it goes ABCD. 262 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,240 It's just alphabetical? 263 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,240 Okay. 264 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Yeah. 265 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Still, D and J are pretty far apart. 266 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,240 And it's not for each other. 267 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,240 No, we're next to each other. 268 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Sorry, I just got a... 269 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Ouija board. 270 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,960 I got a C. Yeah, they're not that close, especially on the old board. 271 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Oh, really? 272 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Okay. 273 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:34,960 Well... 274 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,720 They're like on off-fit sides of an arc. 275 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Well, I think maybe they just inter... 276 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,160 I don't know. 277 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,320 Anyhow, I thought I'd throw that. 278 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,840 I only read that in one place, but generally the whole accepted thing is Ouija. 279 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Good luck. 280 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,320 So, the local patent office at first refused a patent, bond and nose worthy, then traveled 281 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,120 to Washington, DC, where they were also denied a patent, until the chief patent officer asked 282 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,320 the board to spell out his name, which it did. 283 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,560 In 1901, an employee of bond, William Fould, took over the Talking Board production under 284 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:07,880 the name Ouija. 285 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,920 And I'm just going to go back to that. 286 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,960 That's where they're saying that it was proven to work, because it guessed the guy's name. 287 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,440 I don't know why they wouldn't know the guy's name before going into a meeting with him, 288 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,680 but apparently that's where they say that before they got a patent, it was proven to 289 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:24,680 work. 290 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,240 Yeah, I mean, they had to know. 291 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,720 How do you go into an office and say, I have a meeting with this person? 292 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,200 Yeah, he wouldn't give me his name. 293 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,440 Hopefully we have a meeting. 294 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,800 The board says we have a meeting. 295 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:46,240 So the Ouija board was regarded as an innocent parlor game unrelated to the occult until 296 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:53,720 American spiritualist Pearl Curran popularized it as a divining tool during World War One. 297 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,280 Probably should have looked up who Pearl is. 298 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,520 I don't think I got there. 299 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,480 So that is just I'll leave you with a question mark on that. 300 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,800 If you know anything about Pearl, maybe just put it in the comments. 301 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Maybe we'll change our question on Spotify. 302 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Maybe it was a literal Pearl. 303 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,480 It might have been Pearl with the last name of Curran. 304 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,280 So this is all seemingly rather old timey. 305 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,600 I know we're in the 1800s, but I'm about to bring you into whatever century we're in, 306 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,600 because yeah. 307 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,400 Chelsea, we're in the 1900s for World War One. 308 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Yeah, we're around that time. 309 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Yeah. 310 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Generally, yes. 311 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:36,160 But we got to come back back to the modern times because the Ouija board now has a website 312 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,280 as well, which I didn't know. 313 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:44,480 It's Ouija board dot US in which you can discover the mysteries of the spirit world with an 314 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,600 online virtual spirit board. 315 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:52,080 A platform blends the traditional Ouija board practice with modern technology offering a 316 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,240 unique and accessible way to explore the unknown. 317 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,080 It may or may not be AI because you still type a question in a box. 318 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,520 So I have my suspicions. 319 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,880 I should put a disclaimer right now that I do believe in spirit boards. 320 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,480 When I was young, I was obsessed with them. 321 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Once I figured out what it was, I don't mess with them. 322 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:22,040 I think I was just more intrigued with the unknown, which we just talked a little bit 323 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,480 about in David Politis. 324 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,560 It's just not knowing what something is. 325 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,240 So I wanted to figure out like what it was. 326 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,960 Once I figured out what it was, I don't touch them anymore. 327 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,160 I do believe that yes, it can be multiple things at hand. 328 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,720 However, I believe that in the other side and I believe that there are not so good things 329 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,920 that are simply looking for an invitation, which the Ouija board definitely does and 330 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:45,920 I don't mess with. 331 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,080 I wouldn't recommend you to and I do know people that have been affected by using one 332 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,800 and not in a good way. 333 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,280 With that being said, I wanted to also include some general good practices. 334 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,200 If you choose to partake in said board and then we'll move on to the good stuff, I promise. 335 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,960 Even Ai Ouija board has rules on his website or website. 336 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,160 I assume it's the board's website. 337 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,560 I mean, you could code it, couldn't it? 338 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Because it has all the letters up there in the numbers. 339 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,120 It does. 340 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,920 The Ai Ouija board says how to use. 341 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 When using the Ouija board, it's important to follow some rules. 342 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,760 Choose a calm and quiet environment for your session. 343 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,480 Always approach the Ouija board with respect and a serious mindset. 344 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Start the session by setting clear intentions and stating that only positive and helpful 345 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,200 spirits are allowed to communicate. 346 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,560 If any negative or unsettling experiences occur, end the session immediately. 347 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,360 And always remember to say goodbye to properly close the session when you're finished. 348 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:52,400 By following these tips, you can have a more secure and enjoyable experience with the Ouija 349 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,400 board. 350 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,960 So then I just went on to kind of Google some other stuff just to help you guys out. 351 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:05,120 I want everybody to be safe and remained un-zest or disturbed by bad malevolent things. 352 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:06,640 Malevolent is bad, right? 353 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,640 Benevolent malevolent. 354 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:08,640 I always get... 355 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,520 Yeah, malevolent is bad, yes. 356 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Bad guys. 357 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Bad spirits. 358 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:20,120 Remember spirits who talk to you through your Ouija board and tell you anything they want 359 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:23,720 just because a spirit says something does not mean it true. 360 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,000 That includes appearing as loved one. 361 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,520 A spirit will try to win your trust by telling you that they are a long lost relative or 362 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,800 a spirit of a small child who needs your help. 363 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,880 In reality, the spirit could be malevolent. 364 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,240 Oh, it says it right there. 365 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,200 Also, just so that we're all on the same page too, humans are exactly the same. 366 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,720 If they come up and start talking to you just out of nowhere, they're probably not great. 367 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,880 They're probably evil individuals. 368 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,000 I assume they're bad. 369 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,480 I assume they're evil. 370 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Yeah. 371 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,480 It's just... 372 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,960 Why would spirits be any different? 373 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,320 Yeah, well exactly. 374 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,760 Only the weird ones are going to go talk to strangers. 375 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,160 Never use a Ouija board alone. 376 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,040 The more people with you when using a Ouija board, the better. 377 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,040 This means there is more energy present to connect with the spirit. 378 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,800 If not, everyone can comfortably sit and touch the planchette. 379 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,200 It's fine to have some people just be viewers. 380 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,040 They might be mad that they're just a viewer, but they're welcome to cheer you on if they 381 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,880 need for support. 382 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,760 Don't use a Ouija board in your home. 383 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:20,760 Not sure why. 384 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,200 I could just keep reading, but I want to keep these points short. 385 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,280 Don't leave the planchette on the board when you are done using your Ouija board. 386 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,120 Remove the planchette from the board. 387 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,680 Even if you are just leaving the room, it's considered bad luck to leave the planchette 388 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,680 on the board. 389 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:40,160 I have heard multiple takes on this, including turning the planchette upside down. 390 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,160 Is there a clear top and bottom side of a planchette? 391 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,440 Some of them have legs. 392 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,440 Oh, okay. 393 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Yeah, and they're not just flat things that go on there, but there might be. 394 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,960 I think there's writing on it, but I can't say 100% sure. 395 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,520 There's ones that aren't just Ouija. 396 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,440 There's some people that collect them. 397 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,240 I would never collect them. 398 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,320 I feel like there can be pretty negative stuff attached to them, but some of them are pretty 399 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,320 cool looking. 400 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 So I think it depends on the board on what the planchette looks like. 401 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,440 I'm just familiar with the regular Ouija board, except for the fact that I used to try and 402 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,440 make them. 403 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,120 I mean, I did make them. 404 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,520 Please end your session with the Ouija board by saying goodbye. 405 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,400 Like AI Ouija board told us. 406 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,600 If a spirit starts communicating with you through the board by counting down or going 407 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,520 through the alphabet, immediately end the session by saying goodbye. 408 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,240 It's a common theme for Ouija users who have contacted a malevolent spirit that is trying 409 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,480 to leave the board. 410 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,400 If a spirit starts communicating with you by making the planchette move in a figure 8 411 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,100 or infinity symbol, and the session by saying goodbye, it's another way malevolent spirits 412 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,680 have revealed themselves. 413 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,000 If you begin to suspect that you are in contact with malevolent spirits or spirit, immediately 414 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,560 end the session by putting the planchette on goodbye. 415 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,760 It also helps to leave the physical space you are in to sever the energy between the 416 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,120 group and the spirit. 417 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:04,920 If you speak to a spirit who identifies themselves as Zozo, end the session and say goodbye immediately. 418 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,920 Zozo has been identified as a malevolent spirit. 419 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,400 I think that would be a good one for another episode because I've heard of Zozo before, 420 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,400 not personally, thank god. 421 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,680 But I've heard Zozo talked about a few times on different podcasts. 422 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,480 I couldn't remember the name, but I did know that there's a recurring name that apparently 423 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,680 comes up, yeah? 424 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,320 If you're experiencing depression, it may be good to avoid using Ouija board. 425 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,440 That kind of energy draws in malevolent spirits, never burn Ouija board. 426 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,320 Going back to depression, I've also heard not to use when you're sick, pressed under 427 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,600 the influence as well because that is something that bad spirits look for. 428 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,880 Amazing they were able to create this thing then during a time of dysentery and other 429 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,560 ailments that everybody was just constantly under. 430 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:56,240 Yeah, well I don't know, it was more I think just of a wanting to speed up the process 431 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,880 of going to a seance as well as the times. 432 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:05,640 And I think when you look at it in the other way of actually being able to contact with 433 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,520 the spirit world, it has a few more implications that need to be thought of. 434 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,240 And I think you're more likely to make contact with something not very good when you are 435 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,400 openly trying to communicate with the other side than something actually good. 436 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,840 Just my thought on it. 437 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Yeah, I just thought I'd share that because I was always fascinated with them as a kid 438 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,520 and I couldn't have cared less about how you're supposed to use one. 439 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,720 So I think it's really important to talk about that as well. 440 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,040 Just so that you don't get something attached to you. 441 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,040 Now I know what you're thinking, this episode is missing a whole lot of asshole so far. 442 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,040 I got you. 443 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,760 Who likes the Ouija board you ask? 444 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,360 I'm glad you asked, lots of assholes. 445 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,960 First one, Alistair Crowley, loved the Ouija board. 446 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,400 Alistair Crowley had a great admiration for using the Ouija board and it had played a 447 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,680 passing role in his magical workings. 448 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,280 I don't think it came up on our, oh there's another name drop, there's another episode 449 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,400 to go listen to Alistair Crowley. 450 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,320 I don't remember the Ouija board coming up in that but that one does. 451 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,480 I don't think it did, we didn't focus too much on the magic itself in those episodes. 452 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,000 We focused more just on like a biography of him. 453 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,680 Here's a little bit of it here for you. 454 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,640 We just cover things like this in passing when it pertains to the topic we're talking 455 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,640 about. 456 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,400 There's a lot of episodes of homework to do in this one. 457 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Jane Wolfe, who lived with Crowley at Abbey of Thelima, also used the Ouija board. 458 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,000 She credits some of her greatest spiritual communications to use of this implement. 459 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,680 Crowley has discussed the Ouija board with another of his students and most ardent of 460 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,120 them, Frater Atchad. 461 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,480 That's a strange name. 462 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,560 It is frequently mentioned in their unpublished letters. 463 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:57,960 In 1917, Atchad experimented with the board as a means of summoning angels as opposed 464 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,280 to elementals. 465 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,000 In one letter Crowley told Jones, quote, your Ouija board experiment is rather fun. 466 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,360 You see how very satisfactory it is, but I believe things improve greatly with practice. 467 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:14,560 I think you should keep to one angel and make the magical preparations more elaborate. 468 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,560 End quote. 469 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,560 Over the years, both became so fascinated by the board that they discussed marketing 470 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,920 their own design. 471 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:27,360 Their discourse culminated in a letter dated 21st February 1919 when Crowley tells Jones, 472 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,320 quote, regarding the Ouija board. 473 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,560 I offer you the basis of 10% of my net profit. 474 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,920 You are, if you accept this responsible for the legal protection of the ideas and the 475 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,240 marketing of the copyright design, I trust this may be satisfactory to you. 476 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,440 I hope to let you have the material in the course of a week. 477 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,120 In March, end quote. 478 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:51,000 In March, Crowley wrote to Atchad to inform him, quote, I'll think up another name for 479 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Ouija. 480 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000 End quote. 481 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,160 But their business venture never came to fruition and Crowley's new design, along with his name 482 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,280 for the board, had not survived. 483 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,200 It was probably because it was pretty bad. 484 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,200 Yeah. 485 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,200 You got it with soon. 486 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Oh, you got it soon. 487 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,200 But I want to know. 488 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,080 I'm so curious now. 489 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,240 Crowley also states that there is a good way of using this instrument to get what you 490 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,040 want and that is to perform the whole operation in a consecrated circle so that the undesirable 491 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,160 aliens cannot interfere with it. 492 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,880 You should then employ the proper magical invocation in order to get into your circle 493 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,680 just the one spirit you want. 494 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,640 It is comparatively easy to do. 495 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,800 A few simple instructions are all that is necessary and I shall be pleased to give these free 496 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,280 of charge to anyone who cares to apply. 497 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,800 That's Alistair Crowley, big fan of the Ouija board. 498 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,800 I could see. 499 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,800 I could see that. 500 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,800 I wouldn't put it past him. 501 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,960 There are also other many famous users of the Ouija board. 502 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,360 I'm not going to name them all. 503 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:49,120 I just took a few that I found really interesting that I didn't know about. 504 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,720 Roland Doe used the Ouija board. 505 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:58,400 He's better known around here as Ronald, which the Catholic Church stated led to his possession 506 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,400 by a demon. 507 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,640 If you don't know him from the Journey to the Fringe episode, you may know him as the 508 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,040 inspiration behind the Exorcist, that guy that I kept flipping back and forth. 509 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,200 It was Ronald and Roland. 510 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,200 Yeah. 511 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,800 I don't remember what episode, another episode. 512 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,960 What episode was that? 513 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,120 Oh, that's the husband and wife couple. 514 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,120 Exorcism, good for the. 515 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,120 Oh, yeah. 516 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,120 Exercise, good for the soul. 517 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,120 There we go. 518 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,620 A beautiful title. 519 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,120 From the first year, I'm pretty sure. 520 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,120 We had a good first Halloween episodes. 521 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,120 Full month of them. 522 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,120 Go back. 523 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:31,120 Check them all out. 524 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,120 There's lots of good Halloween episodes. 525 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,120 There's actually a playlist on Spotify. 526 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,800 The same is looking and wants to tell us what words to use. 527 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Oh, yeah. 528 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,800 Where we are lost. 529 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,800 Especially this one, benevolent, benevolent, tell us. 530 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,480 We're so lost. 531 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Emily Grant Hutchings claimed that her novel, Jap Heron, a novel written from the Ouija 532 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,200 board was dictated by Mark Twain's spirit through the use of a Ouija board after his 533 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,200 death. 534 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,200 We just. 535 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,880 Yeah, but to be fair, that's going to boost your sales if you say Mark Twain. 536 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,880 Yeah. 537 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Oh, authored by Mark Twain. 538 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,360 He's actually here with us on the podcast, you know. 539 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,360 You just can't hear. 540 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,600 Yeah, that's that third, that third host that we always forget to tell you about. 541 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:20,200 Oh, we got all the big people, Michael Jackson, other famous people who have died. 542 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,760 I'm sure they have. 543 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,040 There's all the popes, you know, much. 544 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:34,480 If that's something that you would be into listening to a podcast with all the dead folks. 545 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,160 We need to do a pope episode at some point. 546 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,960 It'd be nice to have them around for it. 547 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,160 Yeah, I gotta move on. 548 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,880 Okay, let's talk about dead folks. 549 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:55,880 Much of William Butler Yeats later poetry was inspired among other facets of occultism 550 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,360 by the Ouija board. 551 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,880 Ouija board, damn it. 552 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,960 I'm going to add that I have no idea who that is, but of all the things I left out, 553 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,400 this one could not have been because I found it interesting. 554 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,200 So not only have I given you a plethora of Journey to the Fringe episodes to go back to, 555 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,160 I've also given you some names of people you might want to look into because I did. 556 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,520 It's the episode that you haven't given. 557 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,520 Here's another good one. 558 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080 Jane Roberts, again, no idea. 559 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:29,520 And her husband Robert Butt started experimenting with the Ouija board as part of Robert's research 560 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,880 for a book on extrasensory perception. 561 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,880 According to Roberts and Butt, he could have went with a better last name, I'm sorry. 562 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,280 You get what you're born with, that's just how it goes. 563 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:50,040 On the 2nd of December 1963, they began to receive coherent messages from a male personality, 564 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,560 an energy personality essence no longer focused in the physical world. 565 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,560 That was in quotes. 566 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:02,800 He eventually identified himself as Seth, culminating in a series of books dictated by Seth. 567 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800 I've also heard of that guy too. 568 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Is that not who? 569 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,400 I'm not just from someone in my family. 570 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,480 Is that not who David Wilcock gets his stuff from? 571 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,480 Seth? 572 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,480 Yeah. 573 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,480 No, that's raw. 574 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,480 Right, right, sorry. 575 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720 And I've also heard of this guy as well. 576 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Maybe it would make for an interesting episode, I don't know. 577 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,560 So we got Sozo and Seth. 578 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560 I don't know that Seth is bad. 579 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,560 Maybe, maybe. 580 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,560 I mean, he's making people believe in Ouija boards, so. 581 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,560 Yeah, he is. 582 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,560 At the very least an asshole. 583 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520 Fucking strangers, it's like I said. 584 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:44,200 In 1982, poet James Merrill released an apocalyptic 560 page epic poem titled A Changing Light 585 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:50,040 at Sandover, which documented two decades of messages dictated from the Ouija board during 586 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:56,040 seances hosted by Merrill and his partner David Noyes-Baxon. 587 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,440 Andover, which received the National Book Critics Circle Award in 1983, was published 588 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040 in three volumes beginning in 1976. 589 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,920 It first contained a poem for each of the letters A through Z and was called The Book 590 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,920 of Ephraim. 591 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,520 It appeared in the collection Divine Commodies, which won the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry in 592 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,400 1977. 593 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,280 According to Merrill, the spirits ordered him to write and publish the next two installments. 594 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Farabelle Books of Number in 1978, which won the National Book Award for Poetry and Scripts 595 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,160 for the Pageant in 1980. 596 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,160 Period. 597 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,160 Next point. 598 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:37,280 Early press releases stated that Vincent Furnier's stage and band name Alice Cooper was agreed 599 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680 upon after a session with the Ouija board. 600 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,680 I know who he is. 601 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,840 I'm pretty sure I've actually heard that anecdote before too. 602 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920 I don't think I had. 603 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,480 During which it was revealed that Furnier, Furnier, it looks French, was the reincarnation 604 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,240 of the 17th century witch with that name. 605 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Alice Cooper? 606 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,240 Really? 607 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,240 No. 608 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,240 Furnier. 609 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,240 Yeah. 610 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,240 Yeah. 611 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,240 Okay, I'm glad we're both on the same page. 612 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,280 Alice Cooper later revealed he just thought of the first name that came to his head while 613 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,920 discussing a new band name with his band. 614 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,860 Former Italian Prime Minister Romano Proti claimed that Under Oath in a Seance held in 615 00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:19,680 1978 with other professors at the University of Bologna, the ghost of Giorgio Lepira used 616 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,840 the Ouija board to spell the name of the street where Aldo Moro was being held by the 617 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,840 reprigades. 618 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,680 I don't know any of what that meant. 619 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,680 Okay. 620 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,760 Is Mussolini going to come up? 621 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,400 He does use the Ouija board. 622 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,400 I assume. 623 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,400 He seems like a... 624 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,160 I thought they were supposed to give it, so I didn't put it in. 625 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,800 And it's literally just Mussolini... 626 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,360 No, not Mussolini. 627 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Houdini. 628 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,480 Oh, yeah, those are different people. 629 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,120 I think. 630 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,120 I think. 631 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,000 Mussolini using a Ouija board is not just a given. 632 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,400 I'm sorry. 633 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:57,000 Of the Italian Prime Ministers, I know Mussolini and Berlusconi are probably top two for Ouija 634 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000 board users. 635 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480 So, also, those are, I think, the only two I can name. 636 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,360 I know there's a female Prime Minister right now who is related to Mussolini, but I can't 637 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,360 remember her name. 638 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,360 Really? 639 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Yeah. 640 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,080 So, the fun is over now because... 641 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Hold on. 642 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,800 I guess we don't have script. 643 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,800 Because... 644 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,320 The fun's over. 645 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,040 Because I wrote this late at night in the dark by myself and I hated looking at the scary 646 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440 stories, but I can't let you guys down, so I had to be brave. 647 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,440 I had to. 648 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440 So, let me just find a story. 649 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Okay. 650 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,880 This person says... 651 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,600 I don't know if it has a name. 652 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,960 I have no evidence and I do not care if you don't believe me. 653 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,440 I've used a board with results and let something into my home. 654 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,480 And I have been physically assaulted by this entity. 655 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,960 It started out with that feeling like you're being watched and doors closing and footsteps 656 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,320 on the hardwood when you were home alone. 657 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,320 And progressed slowly into being kept awake by something shaking the bed or pulling off 658 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,320 the covers. 659 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,280 Sometimes, even whispering my name. 660 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,200 Word would disappear for days on end then show up in places you would never have put 661 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,200 it. 662 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,200 I became obsessed with it. 663 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,680 Then it was a black mass in the corner of the room. 664 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,200 Or a silhouette of a man watching you from the doorway. 665 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,040 After that, it escalated pretty quickly. 666 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,960 I had my hair pulled, fingers pricked, scratched, choked, held down in my bed while this thing 667 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,040 whispered in my ear what could have only been Latin. 668 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,040 And a pope was it? 669 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040 I don't know, let's ask them. 670 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,040 No, don't! 671 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,040 That wasn't them. 672 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,040 Thank you. 673 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,040 We had our house... 674 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:35,560 We had our house blessed and the bad thing hasn't shown back up. 675 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,040 Just the normal occurrences now. 676 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,680 I wouldn't have the normal occurrences. 677 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,960 But I will never tell you with one of those boards again. 678 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,800 This person, that's the end of that one. 679 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,480 They're back to normal occurrences so all's good. 680 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,240 I was about 12 or 13 spending the night at a friend's house goofing around with the 681 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,880 Ouija board when him and his sister and we were getting all sorts of gibberish plus words 682 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040 spelled out. 683 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,280 Just kind of scaring ourselves for fun, not taking it very seriously when we got the message 684 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,440 I can see through the window. 685 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,800 And then I can see you through his eyes. 686 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,600 There was just a small window in the basement room where we were and just the backyard in 687 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,760 woods passed the driveway visible through that window. 688 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,240 We asked him more questions and it said, him under the car. 689 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,600 So we somehow got up the nerve to go back out with a flashlight and peer under the car 690 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,160 where we saw a huge black stray cat that was hissing. 691 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,280 We ran inside freaking out and at that exact moment the power failed and all the lights 692 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,280 in the house went out. 693 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,280 We just about actually shoot ourselves. 694 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,480 A few minutes later the power came back and we sat up until dawn that night scared and 695 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,360 we never played with the board again. 696 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440 So they made contact with the cat's consciousness. 697 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,440 Just kidding. 698 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,440 Maybe. 699 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,440 Maybe. 700 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,440 You don't know what's happening. 701 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,440 Who knows. 702 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,440 Maybe. 703 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,440 This is as good of explanation as any. 704 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,440 I know. 705 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,720 Okay, let's read one more. 706 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,200 I was terrified by myself last night not reading these. 707 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,560 I was spooked though at even the proposition that they were on my notes. 708 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080 You just always got to remember that the popes are there. 709 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,360 Some protect. 710 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,680 Some definitely do not. 711 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,680 But some protect. 712 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680 It's only some. 713 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Fry Bernadie for one. 714 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,200 Oh, he's not a pope. 715 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,200 No. 716 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,200 He protects me though. 717 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,200 My wife and I. 718 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,200 If he's AI. 719 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,200 Yeah. 720 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,880 Do you think he's in charge of AI Legion? 721 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,880 Maybe. 722 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,880 You know what? 723 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,960 At least God briefed on it, I'm sure. 724 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,960 He would have to to be Fryer Bernadie and. 725 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,240 I wonder if we could get him for the show. 726 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,600 No, he's too big. 727 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,600 He's huge. 728 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,120 I was going to go somewhere with this and I forgot. 729 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,600 Anyhow, I'm going to read this. 730 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,680 My wife and I had some unexplained things going on in the house we were renting. 731 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,080 Oh, I know what I was going to say. 732 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:56,240 It turns out the Catholic Church does not condone the use of Ouija boards at all because 733 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,480 it is communicating with. 734 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,680 The demonic entity isn't it? 735 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,360 No, it's not even demonic entities. 736 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,360 Huh. 737 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,080 There's a answer for it on CatholicAnswers.com. 738 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,600 Our Ouija boards harmless answer. 739 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,240 No, Ouija board is far from harmless as it is a form of divination. 740 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,160 The fact of the matter is Ouija heavy boards really do work and the only spirits that will 741 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,320 be contacted are evil ones. 742 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,840 I believe that. 743 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,040 I mean, probably a good one through. 744 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,040 The Lord repeatedly condemns any and all occultic practices, including divination. 745 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,000 While many biopassuses could be cited, the following one is typical of this view of occultic 746 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000 practices. 747 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,200 Quote, let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, 748 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,600 who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft or cast spells, 749 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,240 or who is a medium or spirits or who consults the dead. 750 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,600 Anyone who does these is detestable to the Lord. 751 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,160 Oh, it's Deuteronomy. 752 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,160 I love Deuteronomy. 753 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,360 That's where it says you can't have a bowl cut. 754 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,360 Why? 755 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920 It's one of the rules. 756 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,120 Can't wear a blended fabric. 757 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,120 Can't get a tattoo. 758 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,600 There's a bunch of fun stuff in Deuteronomy. 759 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,680 I don't even know what Deuteronomy is, but it sounds like a book in the Bible. 760 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,680 Oh. 761 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,680 All right. 762 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,680 I should put an asterisk. 763 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,360 It is fun on a Bible level of fun. 764 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,720 And it's like dude is in like bro, right? 765 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,720 Like dudes. 766 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:22,800 I don't think so. 767 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,520 It's just short to DT, but I'm pretty sure it's not spelled Deuteronomy. 768 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,520 Okay. 769 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,480 About like the study of humans or anything like that. 770 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,000 It sounded like it was. 771 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Yeah. 772 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,480 It was that the Catholic church explicitly forbids any practice of divination. 773 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,480 We do boards are included. 774 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,000 Back to my last story. 775 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,160 My wife and I had some unexplainable things going on in the house we were renting. 776 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,800 So we got a board that we could try to figure out what we were dealing with. 777 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,200 That is your first mistake. 778 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,200 Oh, he goes on to say bad idea. 779 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,600 The board was just a standard plain board. 780 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,160 We use it one night to speak with hopefully our speaker. 781 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,880 What we didn't realize is that the Ouija board opens the door for anything to come through 782 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,880 and speak. 783 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,680 The looking piece flew off the board near the end of our session and we had no real 784 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,000 answers to anything. 785 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,280 We were speaking with something, but it was very evasive with its answers. 786 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,840 Things got worse in the house and we eventually broke our lease and moved. 787 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,640 Radios and TVs going on by themselves, water running after the board. 788 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,040 Oh, things got bad. 789 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Voices moving objects and my wife says I got possessed one night, but I can't validate 790 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,640 that as I was asleep. 791 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,640 So he slept walk. 792 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,640 Sleepwalked. 793 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,040 Is it slept walked or sleepwalked? 794 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,720 He slept walk. 795 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,720 Sleepwalked. 796 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:38,720 He was sleepwalking. 797 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,200 Yeah, let's just keep it in that tense. 798 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,200 Yeah, let's. 799 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,360 I don't like the past tense. 800 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,040 That one's hard. 801 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:49,560 So this is where I'm going to end it because nighttime Chelsea thought this was enough. 802 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,600 To me, this is really spooky. 803 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,480 Obviously, there's more of a history to it than I knew about. 804 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,560 And the thing I always found funny about it was that it's a board game that you can get 805 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,960 in any store, yet it has a little more to me. 806 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:10,080 Anyhow, I look at it as something that's opening a door, but it's like next to monopoly. 807 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,280 I always thought that was funny about Ouija boards. 808 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,840 But yeah, I learned some new things. 809 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,320 Well, yeah, I mean, monopoly to opens doors. 810 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,920 It's just a family in fighting. 811 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,920 Yeah. 812 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:20,920 But yeah, that's my episode. 813 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,240 Okay, interesting. 814 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,240 I am curious if you came across stories of people building their own and having issues 815 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,320 as well or for the most part, the stories come from people who are using store bought. 816 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,200 I did not come across anybody making their own. 817 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,640 However, making your own, it works just as well as if you were to buy a store bought 818 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,640 one. 819 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,440 There's nothing that's going to set apart you just making one. 820 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,640 And I always made them. 821 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,680 Are you are you saying there's nothing inherently divine about Hasbro interactive and the plastics 822 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,680 that they use? 823 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,680 Oh, yes. 824 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,720 It's like hardwired for spirits. 825 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:56,720 They love it. 826 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:02,440 They actually like murdered a bunch of goats and they use them in the plastic making process. 827 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,600 In the end, it is just a board with letters to use it as a communication. 828 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,160 Okay, it's more so the invitation that if people are talking about the invitation to 829 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,320 things to come in. 830 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,320 Yeah. 831 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,440 And the knowledge of how to use it and what you're communicating with that gets you in 832 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,440 the end. 833 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,000 I don't know because it never states whether or not well, the one story that I had did 834 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,160 say that they went out and bought one. 835 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,800 But usually people don't really say whether or not it was homemade or not. 836 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,480 I would assume they're probably more bought because people I don't think would make them 837 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,480 as often. 838 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,480 Yeah. 839 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,560 I made them when I was a kid because I wasn't allowed to have one and I didn't know why and 840 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,880 I was so intrigued by why I wasn't allowed to have it and I've always loved ghosts and 841 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,880 stuff. 842 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,280 I would make them like everywhere I went and just use them and I didn't know that they 843 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,440 would be the same. 844 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,800 I always thought you needed an actual Ouija board. 845 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,280 You had to pay somebody. 846 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,680 Yeah, I thought it was. 847 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,960 And actually in my mind, I'm likening having a Ouija board to having the internet in that 848 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,280 you can connect with people that you've never met before. 849 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,280 Bad analogy. 850 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,360 But yeah, because this is saying that what is happening with the Ouija board is connecting 851 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,360 with spirits. 852 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,680 But yeah, sometimes you can connect with the wrong person and they'll give you a virus. 853 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,680 This is anything, really, you could get a wrong number. 854 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,360 Yeah, you get spam. 855 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,360 Yeah. 856 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,360 Yeah, wrong something. 857 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,040 Yeah, although I'm assuming less dick pics with the Ouija board. 858 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,280 That's probably a good spot to leave off, right? 859 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,280 Popes anything? 860 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,280 No? 861 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,280 Okay. 862 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,280 Well, I have been Taylor. 863 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,280 Here we're Chelsea. 864 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,280 We are Journey to the Fringe. 865 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,280 Thank you all for listening. 866 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,280 We'll see you next week. 867 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,320 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 868 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:49,520 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 869 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