From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we ask hard-hitted questions like what
happened to that guy on Spotify who kept correcting the words that we were using?
I kind of miss him.
Yeah, what did that happen to that guy?
Or girl?
Yeah, it was a flash in the pan.
They left as fast as they arrived and we're wiser for it, I suppose, but we miss them.
Anyhow, those are the kind of questions we ask around here.
We are your podcast host, Taylor and Chelsea.
Here today, I think talking about an asshole of the fringe community, but I shouldn't put
words in Chelsea's mouth because I did not do this episode nor hear any insight to it
beforehand, so I will leave it to her.
It shows.
Taylor made a guess.
I'm not going to tell you whether he's right or wrong until I'm about to immediately prove
whether he's right or wrong.
I decided today I needed to cover a lighthearted topic, knowing the future of what is to come.
I feel like the ghost from the Christmas Carol, the ghost of Journey to the Fringe, yet to
come.
I decided on a fun little guy that has fascinated me for a long, long time, yet I would never
touch to this day.
I always love a good guess.
Any guesses?
Is it the man who doesn't know what to do with his hands?
I'll give you another hint.
Me saying little guy may throw you way up.
This is not a guy.
It's not Linda Malton.
How is it?
No.
Is it a Bigfoot episode?
No.
Today I'm going to do a little delve into spirit boards.
Oh, okay.
I feel like there could be assholes involved in this.
There are.
I really threw you for a loop there.
I was doing all sorts of directions.
Yeah.
Sorry about that, but I had to.
So I always forget to give you very basic details.
So when make my very best effort today, a spirit board is a flat board made out of wood or
cardboard.
What have you?
It has letters of the alphabet on it, number zero through nine.
The words yes and no, and sometimes hello and goodbye.
It depends on your board.
Then you have the planchette, which is a tier shaped little teardrop shape little thing
that may or may not have a window on it.
And the planchette moves across the board to spell messages out, mostly answers to your
questions, mostly spooky things from beyond the grave.
I just want to at this point, most people's understanding of a spirit board would be a
Ouija board.
Correct?
Yeah.
I mean, that's what it's most well known as.
It's been.
Yeah, but they wouldn't be.
It's within the category of spirit boards.
It's not the entire category, right?
That is what it is.
It was commercialized as a Ouija board.
That's like the particular brand name of, I think it's, I talk about it Parker Brothers
or something like that, that turned it into a game.
That's what that's known as.
The general board itself, an idea of it is a spirit board and they all pretty much look
the same.
You can see a lot of different ones, just that one in particular is commercialized as Ouija
board.
So then you have two or more people who sit around with their fingers on the planchette
and you ask questions to which the planchette would move on its own letter to letter to
answer the question.
So you best know how to spell or read.
Yep.
Oh, I think they go hand in hand spelling and reading.
Do they not?
Maybe dyslexic people would probably beg to differ.
True.
Okay.
So a couple of fun facts before we get started.
The Ouija board had actually been proven to work at the patent office before its patent
was allowed to proceed, which I talk a little bit later.
I'm just curious Chelsea, when they say it's proven to work for the patent, does that mean
you can move the planchette around the board or that spirit actually come through?
It must.
I actually am surprised that I put this here because I do talk about it again.
Okay.
It does have to glide smoothly though, no matter who controls it.
Ghosts also like a smooth planchette.
Today, even psychologists believe that it may offer a link between the known and the
unknown.
Also what I didn't include in this, which I probably should have, but I was short on
time, was that psychologists also think that it provides a really good link to our subconscious
when they're moving it around.
The name Ouija is trademarked by Hasbro.
Used to be Parker Bros.
Like the Mario Bros, but Parker.
But it also is widely used generically to refer to any spirit board.
Do you think there's people that didn't know what brothers are until you said the Mario
Brothers?
Yes.
I assume.
Okay.
That's where I know Bros.
We have such a weird audience.
Is it the audience or our reference?
Well, our references that attract this audience.
No, you're right.
I had to clarify for them.
I would have thought that the Ouija board went very far.
Now where do you think it goes back to?
Oh, I think I remember this.
It's the late 1800s, isn't it?
It's right around that spiritual area.
I do know that.
Okay, we got to end this episode now.
You just do it.
I know too much.
That was literally the rest of the episode.
So okay, I found a few things.
So for me, I literally thought it would have went back to like the time that we were amoebas
or something, but it's way later than that.
And because I know in ancient Greece, they used to do...
They had the seers.
Yeah, and they got high and then told you what the gods wanted.
They had that.
They also had one where it wasn't the same as a spirit board, but they would do something
with mirrors as well.
Can't remember exactly what it was, potentially for a future episode, maybe.
I don't know.
But before the spirit board came along, the first mention of something similar to this
was automatic writing, which was a precursor of this.
And it goes back to China around 1100 AD in historical documents in the Song dynasty.
The method was known as fujii, which is planchette writing.
The use of planchette writing as an ostensible means of necromancy and communion with the
spirit world continued.
And albeit under special rituals and supervision was a central practice of the Juanjian school
until it was forbidden by the Qing dynasty.
Actually, there's a ton of super interesting fortune slash spirit practices out of China.
There's bone scrying and the fortune sticks where you throw the sticks down and it tells
you the fate of everything and you make your decisions based on how the sticks fall.
They're kind of similar to things like tea leaf reading.
It's all on your actions to which how it plays out to describe your future.
Actually that just made me realize we should do an episode in the future on...
Yeah, I just thought that too.
Yeah.
We know what we're talking about.
I don't even think we need to finish that.
Ripper's listening.
You the listener have been selected for these super specific things that we're mentioning
in this episode.
Write it down please.
Send it to us in an email.
So the actual talking boards, not...
What was I just talking about again?
Automatic writing.
We're familiar with.
They come up to us straight out of the American 19th century like Taylor just predicted and
ended the whole episode as we know it.
It comes out of the obsession with spiritualism that we've talked about before and makes many
sense that that's where it comes from.
We've talked about it actually on a lot of episodes.
Blavatsky, Fox sisters, probably some other ones.
You'd probably just have to go back and listen to the whole catalog and go from there.
If you want a brief rundown of that, it would be around the 1950s-ish.
It's actually before that.
I don't know why I have the 1950s.
This is the late 1800s, not the 1950s.
That is very wrong.
Could it be 1850 and just the typo?
You're right.
1850...yeah, that does sound right.
1850s.
When people were obsessed with communicating with the dead.
The Fox sisters were huge.
Madame Blavatsky was surviving her fifth ship sinking.
Seances were all the rage.
It was simpler times and honestly what a time to be alive.
Could you imagine when seances were like the thing to do?
That would be so cool.
Yeah, but that means that it's like the only entertainment around too.
I will much take my streaming services and our podcast over.
Seance was going on on the regular.
I wouldn't be mad if seances were like all there was to do.
So it makes sense for the times.
The average lifespan was less than 50.
Medicine was not what it is now.
Men went off to war and never came back.
People were rife with diseases we didn't know how to treat.
And the American Civil War just ended.
Back to men going off to war.
And people wanted to connect with loved ones that had passed on.
Oh, the use of talking boards was so common by 1886.
Oh yeah, that was the tape on my.
That news reported the phenomenon taking over the spiritualist camps in Ohio, which was
part of the war.
Leonard Novelty Company was the first producer of the Ouija board, filling a void of mere
instinct communication.
Someone was like, this is going too slow for them to crack their toes to the alphabet
that was happening at seances for someone to.
If you're confused, go back and listen to our Fox sisters episode.
So that was taking up too much time in people's lives, waiting for like wrappings to come
through the wall, toes to be cracked for the letters of the alphabet.
So they saw an opportunity.
I wish somebody would invent something that goes much faster.
And so the airport was born.
I would also assume that it would make spirit communication more accessible to everyone,
being that they wouldn't have to find a seance to attend to talk to a loved one.
Oh, some keen businessmen with no interest in seances at all.
They were like, pass spirit communication and market niche that they did, but name it.
They also did.
And I hope you're following me here because that was a beautiful sentence that I just
put together.
And one of the investors sisters, Ellen Peters knows worthy was a medium, which I think is
funny because they weren't into like medium shit.
Yeah.
And people were smaller back in the day.
Yeah.
What?
You'll get it eventually.
Medium.
On the rear.
Usually I get it when I'm really listening to it.
Yeah.
And you can always tell if I don't get it.
So they're sitting around the table playing the board in Baltimore, Maryland, and they
asked the board what should they call it and the name Ouija came through.
And when they asked what it meant, the board replied, good luck.
Oh, there's a little note here.
I didn't read this anywhere else, but I thought I'd throw it in anyway.
I'm just, you'll see.
How do you take the board saying good luck?
Like that's what Ouija means.
Or do you take it more as like, good luck figuring that out?
Yeah, good luck.
And it's kind of a passive aggressive asshole.
And then it exploded and it's still in the room to this day.
Or good luck with your day.
Maybe they were about to die of dysentery.
Yeah.
It couldn't, it might not even be a related thought.
So that's generally the story of how it gets its name.
I didn't read this anywhere else, but I thought I'd throw it in.
The medium Helen, who was doing the spirit board reading, I don't know how you would
say the conductor of the spirit board.
She said apparently that she was wearing a locket bearing the picture of a woman.
And the person that was on the locket, they think is Ouija, who she admired.
And that Ouija was just a misreading of that.
So somebody was guiding the planchette.
Huh.
Okay.
The J and the D are very far away.
Actually, I don't know.
I can't remember.
Is Ouija board set up?
Is it lay-down like a keyboard?
Yeah.
Is it a keyboard-based?
No, I think it goes ABCD.
It's just alphabetical?
Okay.
Yeah.
Still, D and J are pretty far apart.
And it's not for each other.
No, we're next to each other.
Sorry, I just got a...
Ouija board.
I got a C. Yeah, they're not that close, especially on the old board.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Well...
They're like on off-fit sides of an arc.
Well, I think maybe they just inter...
I don't know.
Anyhow, I thought I'd throw that.
I only read that in one place, but generally the whole accepted thing is Ouija.
Good luck.
So, the local patent office at first refused a patent, bond and nose worthy, then traveled
to Washington, DC, where they were also denied a patent, until the chief patent officer asked
the board to spell out his name, which it did.
In 1901, an employee of bond, William Fould, took over the Talking Board production under
the name Ouija.
And I'm just going to go back to that.
That's where they're saying that it was proven to work, because it guessed the guy's name.
I don't know why they wouldn't know the guy's name before going into a meeting with him,
but apparently that's where they say that before they got a patent, it was proven to
work.
Yeah, I mean, they had to know.
How do you go into an office and say, I have a meeting with this person?
Yeah, he wouldn't give me his name.
Hopefully we have a meeting.
The board says we have a meeting.
So the Ouija board was regarded as an innocent parlor game unrelated to the occult until
American spiritualist Pearl Curran popularized it as a divining tool during World War One.
Probably should have looked up who Pearl is.
I don't think I got there.
So that is just I'll leave you with a question mark on that.
If you know anything about Pearl, maybe just put it in the comments.
Maybe we'll change our question on Spotify.
Maybe it was a literal Pearl.
It might have been Pearl with the last name of Curran.
So this is all seemingly rather old timey.
I know we're in the 1800s, but I'm about to bring you into whatever century we're in,
because yeah.
Chelsea, we're in the 1900s for World War One.
Yeah, we're around that time.
Yeah.
Generally, yes.
But we got to come back back to the modern times because the Ouija board now has a website
as well, which I didn't know.
It's Ouija board dot US in which you can discover the mysteries of the spirit world with an
online virtual spirit board.
A platform blends the traditional Ouija board practice with modern technology offering a
unique and accessible way to explore the unknown.
It may or may not be AI because you still type a question in a box.
So I have my suspicions.
I should put a disclaimer right now that I do believe in spirit boards.
When I was young, I was obsessed with them.
Once I figured out what it was, I don't mess with them.
I think I was just more intrigued with the unknown, which we just talked a little bit
about in David Politis.
It's just not knowing what something is.
So I wanted to figure out like what it was.
Once I figured out what it was, I don't touch them anymore.
I do believe that yes, it can be multiple things at hand.
However, I believe that in the other side and I believe that there are not so good things
that are simply looking for an invitation, which the Ouija board definitely does and
I don't mess with.
I wouldn't recommend you to and I do know people that have been affected by using one
and not in a good way.
With that being said, I wanted to also include some general good practices.
If you choose to partake in said board and then we'll move on to the good stuff, I promise.
Even Ai Ouija board has rules on his website or website.
I assume it's the board's website.
I mean, you could code it, couldn't it?
Because it has all the letters up there in the numbers.
It does.
The Ai Ouija board says how to use.
When using the Ouija board, it's important to follow some rules.
Choose a calm and quiet environment for your session.
Always approach the Ouija board with respect and a serious mindset.
Start the session by setting clear intentions and stating that only positive and helpful
spirits are allowed to communicate.
If any negative or unsettling experiences occur, end the session immediately.
And always remember to say goodbye to properly close the session when you're finished.
By following these tips, you can have a more secure and enjoyable experience with the Ouija
board.
So then I just went on to kind of Google some other stuff just to help you guys out.
I want everybody to be safe and remained un-zest or disturbed by bad malevolent things.
Malevolent is bad, right?
Benevolent malevolent.
I always get...
Yeah, malevolent is bad, yes.
Bad guys.
Bad spirits.
Remember spirits who talk to you through your Ouija board and tell you anything they want
just because a spirit says something does not mean it true.
That includes appearing as loved one.
A spirit will try to win your trust by telling you that they are a long lost relative or
a spirit of a small child who needs your help.
In reality, the spirit could be malevolent.
Oh, it says it right there.
Also, just so that we're all on the same page too, humans are exactly the same.
If they come up and start talking to you just out of nowhere, they're probably not great.
They're probably evil individuals.
I assume they're bad.
I assume they're evil.
Yeah.
It's just...
Why would spirits be any different?
Yeah, well exactly.
Only the weird ones are going to go talk to strangers.
Never use a Ouija board alone.
The more people with you when using a Ouija board, the better.
This means there is more energy present to connect with the spirit.
If not, everyone can comfortably sit and touch the planchette.
It's fine to have some people just be viewers.
They might be mad that they're just a viewer, but they're welcome to cheer you on if they
need for support.
Don't use a Ouija board in your home.
Not sure why.
I could just keep reading, but I want to keep these points short.
Don't leave the planchette on the board when you are done using your Ouija board.
Remove the planchette from the board.
Even if you are just leaving the room, it's considered bad luck to leave the planchette
on the board.
I have heard multiple takes on this, including turning the planchette upside down.
Is there a clear top and bottom side of a planchette?
Some of them have legs.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, and they're not just flat things that go on there, but there might be.
I think there's writing on it, but I can't say 100% sure.
There's ones that aren't just Ouija.
There's some people that collect them.
I would never collect them.
I feel like there can be pretty negative stuff attached to them, but some of them are pretty
cool looking.
So I think it depends on the board on what the planchette looks like.
I'm just familiar with the regular Ouija board, except for the fact that I used to try and
make them.
I mean, I did make them.
Please end your session with the Ouija board by saying goodbye.
Like AI Ouija board told us.
If a spirit starts communicating with you through the board by counting down or going
through the alphabet, immediately end the session by saying goodbye.
It's a common theme for Ouija users who have contacted a malevolent spirit that is trying
to leave the board.
If a spirit starts communicating with you by making the planchette move in a figure 8
or infinity symbol, and the session by saying goodbye, it's another way malevolent spirits
have revealed themselves.
If you begin to suspect that you are in contact with malevolent spirits or spirit, immediately
end the session by putting the planchette on goodbye.
It also helps to leave the physical space you are in to sever the energy between the
group and the spirit.
If you speak to a spirit who identifies themselves as Zozo, end the session and say goodbye immediately.
Zozo has been identified as a malevolent spirit.
I think that would be a good one for another episode because I've heard of Zozo before,
not personally, thank god.
But I've heard Zozo talked about a few times on different podcasts.
I couldn't remember the name, but I did know that there's a recurring name that apparently
comes up, yeah?
If you're experiencing depression, it may be good to avoid using Ouija board.
That kind of energy draws in malevolent spirits, never burn Ouija board.
Going back to depression, I've also heard not to use when you're sick, pressed under
the influence as well because that is something that bad spirits look for.
Amazing they were able to create this thing then during a time of dysentery and other
ailments that everybody was just constantly under.
Yeah, well I don't know, it was more I think just of a wanting to speed up the process
of going to a seance as well as the times.
And I think when you look at it in the other way of actually being able to contact with
the spirit world, it has a few more implications that need to be thought of.
And I think you're more likely to make contact with something not very good when you are
openly trying to communicate with the other side than something actually good.
Just my thought on it.
Yeah, I just thought I'd share that because I was always fascinated with them as a kid
and I couldn't have cared less about how you're supposed to use one.
So I think it's really important to talk about that as well.
Just so that you don't get something attached to you.
Now I know what you're thinking, this episode is missing a whole lot of asshole so far.
I got you.
Who likes the Ouija board you ask?
I'm glad you asked, lots of assholes.
First one, Alistair Crowley, loved the Ouija board.
Alistair Crowley had a great admiration for using the Ouija board and it had played a
passing role in his magical workings.
I don't think it came up on our, oh there's another name drop, there's another episode
to go listen to Alistair Crowley.
I don't remember the Ouija board coming up in that but that one does.
I don't think it did, we didn't focus too much on the magic itself in those episodes.
We focused more just on like a biography of him.
Here's a little bit of it here for you.
We just cover things like this in passing when it pertains to the topic we're talking
about.
There's a lot of episodes of homework to do in this one.
Jane Wolfe, who lived with Crowley at Abbey of Thelima, also used the Ouija board.
She credits some of her greatest spiritual communications to use of this implement.
Crowley has discussed the Ouija board with another of his students and most ardent of
them, Frater Atchad.
That's a strange name.
It is frequently mentioned in their unpublished letters.
In 1917, Atchad experimented with the board as a means of summoning angels as opposed
to elementals.
In one letter Crowley told Jones, quote, your Ouija board experiment is rather fun.
You see how very satisfactory it is, but I believe things improve greatly with practice.
I think you should keep to one angel and make the magical preparations more elaborate.
End quote.
Over the years, both became so fascinated by the board that they discussed marketing
their own design.
Their discourse culminated in a letter dated 21st February 1919 when Crowley tells Jones,
quote, regarding the Ouija board.
I offer you the basis of 10% of my net profit.
You are, if you accept this responsible for the legal protection of the ideas and the
marketing of the copyright design, I trust this may be satisfactory to you.
I hope to let you have the material in the course of a week.
In March, end quote.
In March, Crowley wrote to Atchad to inform him, quote, I'll think up another name for
Ouija.
End quote.
But their business venture never came to fruition and Crowley's new design, along with his name
for the board, had not survived.
It was probably because it was pretty bad.
Yeah.
You got it with soon.
Oh, you got it soon.
But I want to know.
I'm so curious now.
Crowley also states that there is a good way of using this instrument to get what you
want and that is to perform the whole operation in a consecrated circle so that the undesirable
aliens cannot interfere with it.
You should then employ the proper magical invocation in order to get into your circle
just the one spirit you want.
It is comparatively easy to do.
A few simple instructions are all that is necessary and I shall be pleased to give these free
of charge to anyone who cares to apply.
That's Alistair Crowley, big fan of the Ouija board.
I could see.
I could see that.
I wouldn't put it past him.
There are also other many famous users of the Ouija board.
I'm not going to name them all.
I just took a few that I found really interesting that I didn't know about.
Roland Doe used the Ouija board.
He's better known around here as Ronald, which the Catholic Church stated led to his possession
by a demon.
If you don't know him from the Journey to the Fringe episode, you may know him as the
inspiration behind the Exorcist, that guy that I kept flipping back and forth.
It was Ronald and Roland.
Yeah.
I don't remember what episode, another episode.
What episode was that?
Oh, that's the husband and wife couple.
Exorcism, good for the.
Oh, yeah.
Exercise, good for the soul.
There we go.
A beautiful title.
From the first year, I'm pretty sure.
We had a good first Halloween episodes.
Full month of them.
Go back.
Check them all out.
There's lots of good Halloween episodes.
There's actually a playlist on Spotify.
The same is looking and wants to tell us what words to use.
Oh, yeah.
Where we are lost.
Especially this one, benevolent, benevolent, tell us.
We're so lost.
Emily Grant Hutchings claimed that her novel, Jap Heron, a novel written from the Ouija
board was dictated by Mark Twain's spirit through the use of a Ouija board after his
death.
We just.
Yeah, but to be fair, that's going to boost your sales if you say Mark Twain.
Yeah.
Oh, authored by Mark Twain.
He's actually here with us on the podcast, you know.
You just can't hear.
Yeah, that's that third, that third host that we always forget to tell you about.
Oh, we got all the big people, Michael Jackson, other famous people who have died.
I'm sure they have.
There's all the popes, you know, much.
If that's something that you would be into listening to a podcast with all the dead folks.
We need to do a pope episode at some point.
It'd be nice to have them around for it.
Yeah, I gotta move on.
Okay, let's talk about dead folks.
Much of William Butler Yeats later poetry was inspired among other facets of occultism
by the Ouija board.
Ouija board, damn it.
I'm going to add that I have no idea who that is, but of all the things I left out,
this one could not have been because I found it interesting.
So not only have I given you a plethora of Journey to the Fringe episodes to go back to,
I've also given you some names of people you might want to look into because I did.
It's the episode that you haven't given.
Here's another good one.
Jane Roberts, again, no idea.
And her husband Robert Butt started experimenting with the Ouija board as part of Robert's research
for a book on extrasensory perception.
According to Roberts and Butt, he could have went with a better last name, I'm sorry.
You get what you're born with, that's just how it goes.
On the 2nd of December 1963, they began to receive coherent messages from a male personality,
an energy personality essence no longer focused in the physical world.
That was in quotes.
He eventually identified himself as Seth, culminating in a series of books dictated by Seth.
I've also heard of that guy too.
Is that not who?
I'm not just from someone in my family.
Is that not who David Wilcock gets his stuff from?
Seth?
Yeah.
No, that's raw.
Right, right, sorry.
And I've also heard of this guy as well.
Maybe it would make for an interesting episode, I don't know.
So we got Sozo and Seth.
I don't know that Seth is bad.
Maybe, maybe.
I mean, he's making people believe in Ouija boards, so.
Yeah, he is.
At the very least an asshole.
Fucking strangers, it's like I said.
In 1982, poet James Merrill released an apocalyptic 560 page epic poem titled A Changing Light
at Sandover, which documented two decades of messages dictated from the Ouija board during
seances hosted by Merrill and his partner David Noyes-Baxon.
Andover, which received the National Book Critics Circle Award in 1983, was published
in three volumes beginning in 1976.
It first contained a poem for each of the letters A through Z and was called The Book
of Ephraim.
It appeared in the collection Divine Commodies, which won the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry in
1977.
According to Merrill, the spirits ordered him to write and publish the next two installments.
Farabelle Books of Number in 1978, which won the National Book Award for Poetry and Scripts
for the Pageant in 1980.
Period.
Next point.
Early press releases stated that Vincent Furnier's stage and band name Alice Cooper was agreed
upon after a session with the Ouija board.
I know who he is.
I'm pretty sure I've actually heard that anecdote before too.
I don't think I had.
During which it was revealed that Furnier, Furnier, it looks French, was the reincarnation
of the 17th century witch with that name.
Alice Cooper?
Really?
No.
Furnier.
Yeah.
Okay, I'm glad we're both on the same page.
Alice Cooper later revealed he just thought of the first name that came to his head while
discussing a new band name with his band.
Former Italian Prime Minister Romano Proti claimed that Under Oath in a Seance held in
1978 with other professors at the University of Bologna, the ghost of Giorgio Lepira used
the Ouija board to spell the name of the street where Aldo Moro was being held by the
reprigades.
I don't know any of what that meant.
Okay.
Is Mussolini going to come up?
He does use the Ouija board.
I assume.
He seems like a...
I thought they were supposed to give it, so I didn't put it in.
And it's literally just Mussolini...
No, not Mussolini.
Houdini.
Oh, yeah, those are different people.
I think.
Mussolini using a Ouija board is not just a given.
I'm sorry.
Of the Italian Prime Ministers, I know Mussolini and Berlusconi are probably top two for Ouija
board users.
So, also, those are, I think, the only two I can name.
I know there's a female Prime Minister right now who is related to Mussolini, but I can't
remember her name.
Really?
Yeah.
So, the fun is over now because...
Hold on.
I guess we don't have script.
Because...
The fun's over.
Because I wrote this late at night in the dark by myself and I hated looking at the scary
stories, but I can't let you guys down, so I had to be brave.
I had to.
So, let me just find a story.
Okay.
This person says...
I don't know if it has a name.
I have no evidence and I do not care if you don't believe me.
I've used a board with results and let something into my home.
And I have been physically assaulted by this entity.
It started out with that feeling like you're being watched and doors closing and footsteps
on the hardwood when you were home alone.
And progressed slowly into being kept awake by something shaking the bed or pulling off
the covers.
Sometimes, even whispering my name.
Word would disappear for days on end then show up in places you would never have put
it.
I became obsessed with it.
Then it was a black mass in the corner of the room.
Or a silhouette of a man watching you from the doorway.
After that, it escalated pretty quickly.
I had my hair pulled, fingers pricked, scratched, choked, held down in my bed while this thing
whispered in my ear what could have only been Latin.
And a pope was it?
I don't know, let's ask them.
No, don't!
That wasn't them.
Thank you.
We had our house...
We had our house blessed and the bad thing hasn't shown back up.
Just the normal occurrences now.
I wouldn't have the normal occurrences.
But I will never tell you with one of those boards again.
This person, that's the end of that one.
They're back to normal occurrences so all's good.
I was about 12 or 13 spending the night at a friend's house goofing around with the
Ouija board when him and his sister and we were getting all sorts of gibberish plus words
spelled out.
Just kind of scaring ourselves for fun, not taking it very seriously when we got the message
I can see through the window.
And then I can see you through his eyes.
There was just a small window in the basement room where we were and just the backyard in
woods passed the driveway visible through that window.
We asked him more questions and it said, him under the car.
So we somehow got up the nerve to go back out with a flashlight and peer under the car
where we saw a huge black stray cat that was hissing.
We ran inside freaking out and at that exact moment the power failed and all the lights
in the house went out.
We just about actually shoot ourselves.
A few minutes later the power came back and we sat up until dawn that night scared and
we never played with the board again.
So they made contact with the cat's consciousness.
Just kidding.
Maybe.
You don't know what's happening.
Who knows.
Maybe.
This is as good of explanation as any.
I know.
Okay, let's read one more.
I was terrified by myself last night not reading these.
I was spooked though at even the proposition that they were on my notes.
You just always got to remember that the popes are there.
Some protect.
Some definitely do not.
But some protect.
It's only some.
Fry Bernadie for one.
Oh, he's not a pope.
No.
He protects me though.
My wife and I.
If he's AI.
Yeah.
Do you think he's in charge of AI Legion?
Maybe.
You know what?
At least God briefed on it, I'm sure.
He would have to to be Fryer Bernadie and.
I wonder if we could get him for the show.
No, he's too big.
He's huge.
I was going to go somewhere with this and I forgot.
Anyhow, I'm going to read this.
My wife and I had some unexplained things going on in the house we were renting.
Oh, I know what I was going to say.
It turns out the Catholic Church does not condone the use of Ouija boards at all because
it is communicating with.
The demonic entity isn't it?
No, it's not even demonic entities.
Huh.
There's a answer for it on CatholicAnswers.com.
Our Ouija boards harmless answer.
No, Ouija board is far from harmless as it is a form of divination.
The fact of the matter is Ouija heavy boards really do work and the only spirits that will
be contacted are evil ones.
I believe that.
I mean, probably a good one through.
The Lord repeatedly condemns any and all occultic practices, including divination.
While many biopassuses could be cited, the following one is typical of this view of occultic
practices.
Quote, let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire,
who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft or cast spells,
or who is a medium or spirits or who consults the dead.
Anyone who does these is detestable to the Lord.
Oh, it's Deuteronomy.
I love Deuteronomy.
That's where it says you can't have a bowl cut.
Why?
It's one of the rules.
Can't wear a blended fabric.
Can't get a tattoo.
There's a bunch of fun stuff in Deuteronomy.
I don't even know what Deuteronomy is, but it sounds like a book in the Bible.
Oh.
All right.
I should put an asterisk.
It is fun on a Bible level of fun.
And it's like dude is in like bro, right?
Like dudes.
I don't think so.
It's just short to DT, but I'm pretty sure it's not spelled Deuteronomy.
Okay.
About like the study of humans or anything like that.
It sounded like it was.
Yeah.
It was that the Catholic church explicitly forbids any practice of divination.
We do boards are included.
Back to my last story.
My wife and I had some unexplainable things going on in the house we were renting.
So we got a board that we could try to figure out what we were dealing with.
That is your first mistake.
Oh, he goes on to say bad idea.
The board was just a standard plain board.
We use it one night to speak with hopefully our speaker.
What we didn't realize is that the Ouija board opens the door for anything to come through
and speak.
The looking piece flew off the board near the end of our session and we had no real
answers to anything.
We were speaking with something, but it was very evasive with its answers.
Things got worse in the house and we eventually broke our lease and moved.
Radios and TVs going on by themselves, water running after the board.
Oh, things got bad.
Voices moving objects and my wife says I got possessed one night, but I can't validate
that as I was asleep.
So he slept walk.
Sleepwalked.
Is it slept walked or sleepwalked?
He slept walk.
Sleepwalked.
He was sleepwalking.
Yeah, let's just keep it in that tense.
Yeah, let's.
I don't like the past tense.
That one's hard.
So this is where I'm going to end it because nighttime Chelsea thought this was enough.
To me, this is really spooky.
Obviously, there's more of a history to it than I knew about.
And the thing I always found funny about it was that it's a board game that you can get
in any store, yet it has a little more to me.
Anyhow, I look at it as something that's opening a door, but it's like next to monopoly.
I always thought that was funny about Ouija boards.
But yeah, I learned some new things.
Well, yeah, I mean, monopoly to opens doors.
It's just a family in fighting.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's my episode.
Okay, interesting.
I am curious if you came across stories of people building their own and having issues
as well or for the most part, the stories come from people who are using store bought.
I did not come across anybody making their own.
However, making your own, it works just as well as if you were to buy a store bought
one.
There's nothing that's going to set apart you just making one.
And I always made them.
Are you are you saying there's nothing inherently divine about Hasbro interactive and the plastics
that they use?
Oh, yes.
It's like hardwired for spirits.
They love it.
They actually like murdered a bunch of goats and they use them in the plastic making process.
In the end, it is just a board with letters to use it as a communication.
Okay, it's more so the invitation that if people are talking about the invitation to
things to come in.
Yeah.
And the knowledge of how to use it and what you're communicating with that gets you in
the end.
I don't know because it never states whether or not well, the one story that I had did
say that they went out and bought one.
But usually people don't really say whether or not it was homemade or not.
I would assume they're probably more bought because people I don't think would make them
as often.
Yeah.
I made them when I was a kid because I wasn't allowed to have one and I didn't know why and
I was so intrigued by why I wasn't allowed to have it and I've always loved ghosts and
stuff.
I would make them like everywhere I went and just use them and I didn't know that they
would be the same.
I always thought you needed an actual Ouija board.
You had to pay somebody.
Yeah, I thought it was.
And actually in my mind, I'm likening having a Ouija board to having the internet in that
you can connect with people that you've never met before.
Bad analogy.
But yeah, because this is saying that what is happening with the Ouija board is connecting
with spirits.
But yeah, sometimes you can connect with the wrong person and they'll give you a virus.
This is anything, really, you could get a wrong number.
Yeah, you get spam.
Yeah.
Yeah, wrong something.
Yeah, although I'm assuming less dick pics with the Ouija board.
That's probably a good spot to leave off, right?
Popes anything?
No?
Okay.
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Here we're Chelsea.
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