1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,600 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,160 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we're just giving episodes out like 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,520 they're candy and we're babies and I guess you guys are all like metaphorical others 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,080 ready to just take said candy. 5 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:27,480 I've never quite understood that similarly, have you? 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,200 Because babies can't fight back and people want to get them to... 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,200 Who's taking the candy? 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,400 Is it just everybody wants that candy? 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Everybody wants the candy. 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Even other babies. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Okay, anyhow, we are your babies. 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,960 Sorry, podcast host, Taylor, Chelsea. 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,760 What if whom doesn't quite understand baby related idioms? 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,200 Here today to discuss a giant discovery made in or around the early 1900s. 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Chelsea, I think you're going to know this title when I say it. 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,200 Today we are going to look at the giants of Lovelock Cave. 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,520 Oh, I think I know that one. 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,520 Yeah, you do. 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,520 I was on the list. 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,120 Yeah, is it the discovery of giants? 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Maybe, let's read and find out. 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,720 You said discovery, what a great discovery. 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,240 This all dates back to a myth of the Paiute Indian tribe. 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,560 I say Indian just because that's generally at the time that this is all being conveyed, 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,720 what they would have been known as. 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,440 I understand it is not the best term for it, but it comes up in the writing. 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,880 We are still confused about what continent we're on. 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,680 Yes, also, did you know that the name of the turkey kind of dates back to we didn't know 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,320 what continent they came from? 30 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:37,800 A lot of these names come from confusion. 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,800 I can get behind. 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Well, I can kind of get behind it. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,840 The name for turkey in French too is Chicken of India. 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Seriously, we didn't know where we were, what was coming from there. 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Okay, cool, learning new things. 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,760 But anyhow, there's a myth from the Paiute tribe. 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,880 There's a written version of it that dates back to 1883 from Sarah Winamuka Hopkins. 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,000 She is the daughter of the Paiute chief. 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,640 Sorry, I did not look up the actual pronunciation of this tribe, P-A-I-U-T-E. 40 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:13,920 I am going to call them the Paiute, because I think that's how it's supposed to be said. 41 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:19,400 Anyhow, this myth tells a tale of a strange red-haired tribe of cannibals that inhabited 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,240 Nevada way back in the day, not in the 1800s, but before that the Paiute would come into 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,240 contact with them. 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,840 And she said that these cannibals would snatch arrows whizzing over their heads and shoot 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,280 them back at their enemies. 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,640 Oh, that's pretty epic. 47 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:39,240 Paiutes named this group the Citecac, which translates to tool eaters, T-U-L-E eaters. 48 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,680 Tool is a fibrous water plant. 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:47,360 I find it weird that you would call a cannibal group plant eaters, but this is how the myth 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,440 goes. 51 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,880 These giants wove tools, a fibrous water plant, into rafts to navigate across what remained 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,360 of Lake Lafontaine, though the story goes. 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,080 The Paiutes, a Native American tribe, indigenous to parts of Nevada, Utah and Arizona, describe 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,680 the Citecac as a vicious, unapproachable people that killed and ate their captives, and told 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,160 early settlers that after years of warfare, all the tribes in the area joined together 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,120 to rid themselves of the giants. 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,080 Bling giants took refuge in what is now known as Lovelock Cave, and refused to leave despite 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,960 demands that they come out and fight. 59 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,920 Mostly, you know, I feel like these giants have a fairly reasonable, logical thought 60 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:25,920 process. 61 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:26,920 People are trying to kill them. 62 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,640 They say, hey, come out so we can kill you. 63 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:29,640 They say no. 64 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:30,640 Themes logical. 65 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,640 Pursuers don't like this logic. 66 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:38,360 No, but I feel like I would make also the same decision with my life to stay in the cave 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,680 where they couldn't kill me. 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,840 The caves are spooky. 69 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,640 Yeah, and you know, you might find out a place artifacts in them, which are spooky in themselves. 70 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:46,920 Spooky, Steve and Spooky. 71 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,720 I don't know if this reference makes sense at this point, just because I don't know what 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,360 at border these steps are coming out in, but let's hope it makes sense. 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,040 I might take spooky over death, but it depends on how spooky. 74 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,000 It had to be pretty spooky to choose death over spooky. 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,680 What if I just said it's a shallow pond with fish in it in the cave, and you know there's 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,680 fish in it? 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,680 I don't know. 78 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,960 It depends on how likely I was to die. 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,120 Their pursuers don't like this logic. 80 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,280 They get pissed off and they bring brush from all over. 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,240 They put it in front of this cave and they set fire to it and they bid to force the giants 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,240 to come out. 83 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,040 A few that did emerge promptly killed as we said. 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,040 They had a fairly sound reasoning to stay in the cave. 85 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,400 However, the Sitaka that stay in the cave, they die of asphyxiation as told by this myth. 86 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,800 Wow, okay. 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,200 This all happens in Love Lock Nevada. 88 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,720 That's the story that is being told at the time. 89 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,480 And a man by the name of John T. Reed, who's a Love Lock Mining Engineer, he's prospecting 90 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,000 Nevada in the late 1800s. 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,880 And he hears this story and he's like, huh, where'd you say this happened? 92 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,720 They say Love Lock Cave, or they don't say that. 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,320 They point him towards this cave. 94 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,120 I can't quite remember when the name of the city in Love Lock Cave came about, but they 95 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,840 would have pointed him to this cave. 96 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,040 He goes there in 1886 and checks it out. 97 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,920 But when he gets to the cave, he can't find anything. 98 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,200 And do you know why? 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,320 Ever since humans stopped inhabiting it, bats have inhabited this cave. 100 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,800 It is at least six feet deep batshit on the floor of this cave. 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,160 He didn't want to dig in it. 102 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Not only did he not want to dig in it, it's covered everything. 103 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,320 And I can't imagine why you'd want to do that, especially as a mining prospector. 104 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,760 So he just says, ah, this is gone to shit. 105 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,800 I'm out of here. 106 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,880 So Reed never really made much out of this pile of shit. 107 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:33,640 But miners later on realize that bat guano that Reed told everybody about, that there's 108 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,720 just a ton of batshit in this cave. 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,280 It's an excellent fertilizer. 110 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:42,680 So these prospectors come along in 1911 and just start hauling out the bat guano. 111 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,320 They're shipping it to San Francisco to be processed to turn into fertilizer. 112 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Like literally, that's how the story comes about. 113 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,600 OK, well, he found out a way to get rid of it so that he can look for giants, right? 114 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,080 Well, this is 30 years later. 115 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,080 So I don't know. 116 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,040 He probably died of dysentery by this point. 117 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,040 Yeah, you're right. 118 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,640 If Oregon Trail is anything to tell me about the times. 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,880 I was going to say, if I know anything about the Oregon Trail, people were dying all over 120 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,640 the place of dysentery. 121 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,560 As they're taking out the bat guano, they start to find things in it. 122 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:18,760 They find bones, baskets, weapons, tools, various other artifacts. 123 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,160 And they also find what they describe as a six foot six mummy. 124 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,960 James H. Hart, one of the miners, wrote that the mummy found in the north central part of 125 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,320 the cave about four feet down in the guano had hair that was distinctly red as well. 126 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,400 Red hair. 127 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,160 These bat guano miners talking about this spur an archaeological dig that takes place 128 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,160 in 1912. 129 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:45,600 Alec Krober sent LL Loud, an employee of the Museum of Anthropology, University of California, 130 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,760 to recover any materials that remain from the guano mining of the previous year. 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,960 I would just like to point out, this is the first ones in here is not the Smithsonian. 132 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,080 It is the University of California. 133 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,920 So unfortunately, we can't blame them for any coverups at this point. 134 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,880 I was just going to say it's coming though. 135 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,480 You got to know it's coming. 136 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,360 Loud excavates Love Lock Cave for the next five months and he collects roughly 10,000 137 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,360 materials and remains. 138 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,800 The majority of the archaeological records were gathered from three areas, a dump outside 139 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,000 the cave left by the miners because, you know, they're just digging stuff and they don't 140 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 know what to do with it. 141 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 They're not going to put it back in the cave. 142 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,640 They just leave it on the side. 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,560 Lower level deposits from the northwest end of the cave and an undisturbed refuse along 144 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,320 the outlying edges of the cave. 145 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,400 Loud did not maintain a comprehensive report of the excavation. 146 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,640 So detailed information is not really available of what happened at the time and the methods 147 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,520 of procedures of archaeological excavations have improved drastically since this time. 148 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,400 And Loud's excavation does not fit the standard of today's practices. 149 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:49,040 He labeled individual dig locations as lots without establishing any rigid system, rigid 150 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,080 grid system and grid systems are used to determine origins and depths of archaeological 151 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,080 records. 152 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,160 We don't really know where anything came from in there. 153 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:02,680 He did record 41 lots and later on other dig groups tried to further detail Loud's findings, 154 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:08,360 but because Loud was not consistent with his methods of recording data, they basically couldn't 155 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,520 put together where anything came from, just the fact that these things came out of the 156 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,520 cave. 157 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,520 Yeah. 158 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,480 After this, second dig takes place in 1924. 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Thousands of artifacts and about 60 mummies are recovered. 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,400 More. 161 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Not all of them are preserved. 162 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,960 We don't have all 60 mummies anymore. 163 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,800 And I saw this in several articles. 164 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,880 I couldn't find the original source for it, but they all seem to say this. 165 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:28,880 I don't know why. 166 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,640 One of the best specimens reportedly was boiled and destroyed by a local fraternal lodge 167 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,520 that wanted a skeleton for initiation purposes. 168 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:37,520 What? 169 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,520 Yeah. 170 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,800 That's as much of the stories I could find, but I had to include that just because I'm 171 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,640 like, why do you include that? 172 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,640 That's weird. 173 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:47,640 Okay. 174 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,720 I don't know what to do with that information. 175 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,800 There's the Museum of the American Indian and Hay Foundation, New York, commissioned 176 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,560 Harrington and Loud, assisted by local Paiute Indians, attempted to recover any materials 177 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:00,280 left for previous investigations. 178 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,640 They found leftover fragments too that had been ignored by collectors in the east end 179 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,040 and the center of the cave. 180 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:11,520 The American Museum of Natural History later sponsors Nelson to conduct a surface collection 181 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,280 of Lovelock Cave in 1936. 182 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,160 However, by the time he gets there, there's no archaeological material to recover, or 183 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,120 at least nothing was admitted to the museum's collections. 184 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Robert Heiser came to Lovelock Cave in 1949 to collect organic material for radiocarbon 185 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,360 dating, and he later returns in 1950 and 1965 with a field group to sifter the remains 186 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,840 that the miners left behind in a slope in front of the cave and collect copper lights. 187 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,000 Do you know what copper light is, Chelsea? 188 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 No. 189 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,360 Bossilized human poop. 190 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,160 It's called what? 191 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Copper light. 192 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,600 I've never heard that in my life. 193 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,600 I don't think. 194 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Or luckily. 195 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,720 But anyhow, they find copper light in the cave so they can learn a lot from it. 196 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,200 It's super pumped to have found that humans were shitting in this area for thousands of 197 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,200 years. 198 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,120 Scientists are the weirdest people, I tell you. 199 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,840 In excavations with Lewis Napton during 68 and 69, disturbed human remains were discovered 200 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,000 and the remains found were so scattered that a complete recovery was never possible. 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Human copper light found at Lovelock Cave are instrumental in piecing together the culture's 202 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,560 subsistence patterns, specifically the kind of food that they were eating. 203 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:22,640 Furthermore, because of copper light, organic material, they could date with radiocarbon 204 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,680 dating techniques and they say that humans had been inhabiting Lovelock Cave since at 205 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:30,720 least 2000 BC, which is just mind boggling. 206 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,840 Wow, that's a long time. 207 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,680 And it became uninhabited of around 980. 208 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:39,280 So for 2,900 years it was roughly inhabited by humans. 209 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,280 With all that backwaddle. 210 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Mixed with the human poop, of course. 211 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,440 It coexisted together. 212 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,880 At this point, we need to talk a bit about the giant. 213 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,800 This is Lovelock Cave is known because they found bodies of giants, which is a huge thing. 214 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,400 And the C. Teca, depending on the myth you're hearing, has different interpretations. 215 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Some say they're giants, some describe them as we've heard six-fingered, two sets of teeth. 216 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Red-haired, red-haired always comes up. 217 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,160 But giants nonetheless. 218 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,040 And there are reports constantly of giant corpses being removed and being on display 219 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,360 from Lovelock Cave. 220 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Scientists have said there's no actual proof of giants here. 221 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,680 I just need to put that out. 222 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,040 Of the things that we've seen, there's no evidence of giants. 223 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,160 They were first described in Old Indian Tales as cannibals. 224 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,440 A University of Nevada study in the mid-1970s looked at the bones that they were able to 225 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,200 find from Lovelock Cave. 226 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,720 And they indicated that these giants that had been found were about six feet tall. 227 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Of the human corpses they found from that, just six feet tall. 228 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,080 I'll take it. 229 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,440 I mean, I'll take it. 230 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Not up to ten feet tall as had been claimed. 231 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,920 And you can find articles from this time. 232 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,160 They're anywhere from eight feet tall to ten feet tall. 233 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Seven foot seven, six foot six, comes up a lot. 234 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,680 What was left after was evidence of a tribe separate from the principal tribes whose Pio 235 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,200 descendants lived there. 236 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,960 Perhaps a wandering, more aggressive, but outnumbered band finally hunted down and killed 237 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,040 or chased off. 238 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:06,520 It should be noted that chemical staining by the Earth after burial was advanced as 239 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,440 a likely reason that these mummies' remains had red hair instead of black, like most Indians 240 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,440 in the area. 241 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,000 And that the area that they were buried in with the bat guano was very rich in certain 242 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,680 substances that naturally turns dark hair red over time. 243 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:23,680 Really? 244 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:24,680 Yeah. 245 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:25,840 Like what? 246 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,640 I think it's the nitrogen in it that just naturally like rust sits. 247 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,640 But I can't remember. 248 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,760 I did look into it and it did make a lot of sense because they do find red haired skeletons 249 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,880 and areas that shouldn't have red hair just because of elements in the environment. 250 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Weird. 251 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,280 At the same time, this 1970 study at the University of Nevada looked at a pile of bones that had 252 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,040 been collected from the area that was labeled as giant bones. 253 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,800 These would be the ones that they're saying, yeah, these are the people that are over 10 254 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:51,800 feet tall. 255 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:58,200 They basically all were either cows or mammoth bones that had been put in there basically 256 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:04,000 by people who wanted to spread and sell the tale of giants in the old world. 257 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,840 Like someone who was trying to set up a side show? 258 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,320 Yeah, exactly. 259 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,800 And they had found tall individuals, six feet in fact, which would have been big for the 260 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,800 day. 261 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,760 But that was the tallest skeleton of a human they actually had from Lovelock Cave. 262 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,960 Adrienne Mayer, who wrote about the Sitaka in her book Legends of the First Americas, 263 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,200 suggested that the giant interpretation of the skeletons from Lovelock Cave and other 264 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,920 caves in Nevada were started by entrepreneurs setting up tourist displays. 265 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,560 She also notes that their hair pigment is not stable after death and that various factors 266 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:36,760 such as temperature and soil conditions can turn very dark hair orange or red. 267 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,960 And about 100 miles north of Lovelock Cave, there are plentiful fossils of mammoths and 268 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,360 cave bears and their large limb bones could easily be thought to be those of giants by 269 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,400 an untrained observer. 270 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,800 And a report written by James H. Hart, the first of two miners to excavate this cave 271 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,440 in the fall of 1911, recalls that the north central part of the cave about four feet 272 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,200 deep was a striking looking body of a man six feet, six inches tall. 273 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:07,000 So nobody, even from the original miners, thought that anybody exceeded seven feet tall. 274 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,440 And this is somebody who's not trained to look at human bones. 275 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,040 However, it's not just skeletons people will point at when they're talking about giants 276 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,160 being discovered in the cave. 277 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,640 There's also two other artifacts that get brought up. 278 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,560 First one is a handprint that they say is found in the cave. 279 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,040 Chelsea, I'm going to share this with you. 280 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,040 And I'm going to look at. 281 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,040 Okay. 282 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,440 Apparently this is a handprint that is found in Lovelock Cave. 283 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,440 You'll notice that there's a man's hand holding a knife. 284 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,440 Whoa. 285 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,160 It is giant compared to a regular human's hand. 286 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,040 Are we sure that's a hand and not a dinosaur footprint? 287 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,040 That could be it. 288 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,640 If we're looking at an image, I would say it's too pixelated. 289 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,760 It's just, I would say it's too hard to specifically say it's a handprint. 290 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,360 If it is a handprint, it can wear down larger than a normal person's hand. 291 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 If everybody's touching it, it's going to move around slightly and help bigger the shape 292 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,800 of it. 293 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Yeah. 294 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,720 And how would a handprint just imprint into the rock? 295 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,520 Well, in my mind, if it's like somewhere you have to climb up, everybody puts their hand 296 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,840 in the same spot over it being inhabited for 2,900 years at least. 297 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,440 That can lead to a wear of the rock in that shape. 298 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,480 I love this guy's giant wood blade. 299 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,480 And let's face it. 300 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Are they saying that a giant just pushed their hand into it? 301 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:15,880 And that's how that came about? 302 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Yeah. 303 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,400 He got mad and just like slapped it. 304 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,640 And it didn't break the rock. 305 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,600 It just pushed the soft rock in a little bit. 306 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Exactly. 307 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,600 That's logical. 308 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:25,600 It's logical. 309 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,400 The thing that people bring up, I hit the switch screen so it's on my other tab, is 310 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:35,480 sandals that were found in the cave purported to be 15 inches long, which would make it 311 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,160 a size 29 foot if you're talking about today measurements, US sizes. 312 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Are you going to show me the sandal? 313 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,040 I am going to show you the sandal. 314 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,280 This is in a museum. 315 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,840 It's actually out there for display. 316 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,840 These are the sandals that they purport to be 15 inches long. 317 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,040 You can go see it. 318 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,320 My problem, Chelsea, I'm sure you can see this too. 319 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,880 I have no way of knowing if that's a 15 inch sandal. 320 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,360 No, no, there's no ruler or anything there. 321 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,360 No. 322 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,680 And it seems to be worn down. 323 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,080 It only covers the arch. 324 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,600 Well, that's the of the Bigfoot sandal there. 325 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,600 There are three sandals. 326 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Well, that's Bigfoot sandals. 327 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,160 I think that's what they're trying to show because it says Bigfoot in the Great Basin. 328 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,240 This also, I'm going to say this picture comes from an article from the New York Post, which 329 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,880 I never like agreeing with things that they're saying just because they don't exactly use 330 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,380 the best sources. 331 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:27,040 And the other thing too, Chelsea, when you're weaving a sandal, this is just like, let's 332 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,720 say it is 15 inches. 333 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,720 Let's just agree. 334 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,800 It's 15 inches. 335 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,360 What the natural assumption from there then people are going with is that means the foot 336 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 that went inside it was also 15 inches. 337 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,920 I think that's the natural way they're going. 338 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,520 And therefore this person was huge. 339 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,480 It's a little smaller, but yeah. 340 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,720 But that's assuming you want to make a shoe the exact size of a foot and you have the 341 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,640 technology to do that every time somebody needs a sandal. 342 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,920 You can make it exactly the size of their foot. 343 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,200 Maybe these things just fit very loose. 344 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,480 I don't know. 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,680 Also this cave has a ton of guano in it. 346 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Now this is just my speculation on it. 347 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,560 There's nothing to do with what's actually been set out there. 348 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,160 If you need to walk on guano, maybe they made it like a snowshoe so that you didn't sink 349 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,160 into it. 350 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,560 Okay. 351 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,680 I mean, I can't what you're saying. 352 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,480 Also just here, it's hard to say this thing is 15 inches long. 353 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,800 I can't find anything that actually shows it with a ruler beside it. 354 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,800 This is 15 inches. 355 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:23,800 Yeah. 356 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,800 We're just taking his word for it. 357 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Yeah. 358 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,320 Also, if you look at it, it looks like you need to pull it up to actually get your foot 359 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,320 in, which would reduce the size. 360 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,040 It's just laying there flat. 361 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,640 And then the materials that made of over the time that it's been just sitting there, 362 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,280 I don't know if this material naturally stretches either. 363 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,760 Or you know, it's been worn for so long and stretched out too. 364 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,760 I don't know. 365 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Yeah. 366 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Okay. 367 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,760 Those are all good on probation. 368 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,520 What I can find about it is on the more conspiratorial side of these stories, they all say it's 369 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,880 a 15 inch sandal, not on the Wikipedia article, not on things that purport that these are 370 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,760 just like really cool discoveries, not giants. 371 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,920 Based on what I know of our shoes, I don't see that happening, but obviously these are 372 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,440 not like shoes that I wear every day. 373 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,320 I want to make a note too that again, the Sitaka, they're supposed to be cannibals, but we have 374 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,320 their poop. 375 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,320 We got their copper lights. 376 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,320 They've done a study on it. 377 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Know what they were eating? 378 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,320 Human. 379 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Not humans. 380 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,720 They were eating birds, fish, fauna near the lake, as well as vegetation, which was collected 381 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,400 and stored for winter months. 382 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,840 So the stories about them are already lies. 383 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Well, it's not only that. 384 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,280 My belief is because it was inhabited between 2000 BC and 900 AD, I'm thinking that this 385 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:38,040 indigenous group came across the cave and saw the red-haired corpses and the story kind 386 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:43,480 of comes from there, as opposed to it actually being kind of passed down from way back when. 387 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,840 I mean, it's got to start somewhere, right? 388 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,840 Yeah. 389 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,800 Whether or not it's born in like truth or not, or just people being scared of something, 390 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,520 which we've come across before, and it's just a cultural way to stay away from somewhere 391 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,400 because the tribe wants to kill them or something like that. 392 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,400 Yeah. 393 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,360 Well, and if you do come across a body, and again, these guys thought they were six foot 394 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,880 six when they are uncovering them, we have a bad way of estimating when we just find 395 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,280 like skeletons or corpses, how tall they actually were. 396 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,440 If you find them in this environment where they have red hair and they're taller, you 397 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,400 could say it's giants that are different from us and that's why we killed them. 398 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,760 I probably would, yeah. 399 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:23,080 Although it does kind of run up against why they named them the Eaters of the Pond Plants. 400 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,400 Nothing's making sense. 401 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,400 Yeah. 402 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,520 I find it weird, but that's how it goes. 403 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,440 But the thing that people should actually be thinking about when they're talking about 404 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,440 Lovelock Cave, this is my favorite thing. 405 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Among all the other things they found in there, they found duck decoys, which you're probably 406 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,760 going to say, yeah. 407 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 408 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:47,120 So they actually have like, this is from 300 BC, they literally looked like ducks. 409 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:51,000 So they would be decoys you put out there to capture other ducks, I guess. 410 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,400 Or maybe you put it out for other tribes who were hunting ducks. 411 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,400 They kept people. 412 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,120 To get them to try to eat the duck. 413 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,840 I don't know why you would want to do that, but it's a theory. 414 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:01,840 It's just. 415 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,840 The copyright does not back it up, but it is a theory nonetheless. 416 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,200 It is beginning stages. 417 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,800 In scientific communities, this is considered the most renowned discovery of Lovelock Cave 418 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,400 is the duck decoys. 419 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Harrington and Loud found them when they were digging for the Museum of the American Indian 420 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,880 in 1924. 421 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,840 The cache included eight painted and feathered decoys and three unfinished decoys. 422 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Items found in the same pit consisted of feathers and two bundles of animal traps. 423 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,080 The remarkable decoys were made from bundled tool, which apparently they were eating. 424 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,080 That's what their name was. 425 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,640 A long grass-like herb covered in feathers and painted. 426 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,760 The first attempt to date the decoys with radiocarbon dating took place in 1969. 427 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,920 It didn't work well, but in 1984 we found that these came from anywhere from 130 BC 428 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,360 to 300 BC. 429 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,640 I thought that was really cool. 430 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,280 I had no idea they were using these hunting techniques that long ago. 431 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,920 There's also prehistoric slings that were found. 432 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,540 By Loud in 1912, the Indians of the North Paiute and Paveozo were occupants of the area during 433 00:20:58,540 --> 00:21:02,960 historic times and they recognized the sling as a toy or used for hunting and war. 434 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,800 Slings were known to serve different purposes such as toys, a forehead band, or a mechanism 435 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,800 for hunting birds. 436 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,600 The design of the sling found at Love Lock was structured through a simple knotting technique 437 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,040 from a two-ply yarn. 438 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,680 The pattern of the sling is reversible and is likely made from various pieces of available 439 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,680 fiber. 440 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,200 The sling found at Love Lock is just one of the many handmade textile items from the 441 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,200 caves. 442 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,120 We also know a lot about the lifestyle of the people that lived at Love Lock. 443 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:32,160 There's still, however, argument about whether it would be inhabited all year round or it 444 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,440 would be a regional location that you go to just for the winter months. 445 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,240 They are still trying to figure out a lot from what they found at Love Lock Cave and 446 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,720 specifically the poop they found along the way. 447 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:49,240 What I'm gathering is that this is a very important cave that many important discoveries 448 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,400 have come from. 449 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,160 Or interesting, intriguing discoveries, none of them quite giants. 450 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:02,120 Perhaps somebody who got a little bit excited about something they stumbled upon. 451 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:04,720 Maybe even spooked by. 452 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,720 Maybe. 453 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,640 And when you specifically look, we did that episode on giants not that long ago. 454 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,480 This is right around that time where just giant fevers all over North America. 455 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,440 So the fact that they found this myth that's written down about these giants in the area, 456 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,360 they could absolutely exploit it and push to try to find it that way. 457 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:27,520 And I just want to add this, the copper light that they found in the cave. 458 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,240 Main area is 2000 BC to 980. 459 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,160 There's one from the mid 1850s while it was being used as a gun cache by people living 460 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,160 in the area. 461 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,040 So I feel bad for the guy who's like so excited about all this poop he finds and like it was 462 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,960 his grandpa's poop he found, unfortunately. 463 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,320 There wasn't any fresh copper light found. 464 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,320 That will be gross. 465 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,640 It's still moist. 466 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:57,400 However, there are still things that need to be settled with this today. 467 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,640 Many of the original artifacts found at Love Lock Cave, not giants of course, can be viewed 468 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,840 at the small natural history museum located in Winamucca, Winnavada. 469 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,480 A lot of the things like the planks, the fabrics that they found inside are in Winamucca. 470 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,800 However, objects such as the duck decoy are housed at the Smithsonian Museum in DC. 471 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,360 So what else do they have? 472 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,320 And also does that mean that they were giant ducks? 473 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,120 Because I only ever saw pictures, nothing mentioning the dimensions of them. 474 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:23,360 Oh my God. 475 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,760 The Smithsonian does get tied in here. 476 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,520 It's the basketry and bones belong to the Nevada State Museum. 477 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 So none of the bones ever actually got sent to the Smithsonian. 478 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,040 We don't know that. 479 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,760 Nor did they send anybody according to the official story. 480 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,480 They have a secret seller of secret mystery things. 481 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,880 We learned that on the Smithsonian. 482 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,960 This is one thing that I should say now. 483 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,320 It should be noted that there might be giants from here. 484 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,040 We don't know for sure because Phoebe A. Hearst, Museum of Anthropology at the University 485 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,640 of California, published a paper on Lovelock Cave in 2005 and she stated, the site had 486 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,200 been extensively pot hunted and many material remains in private collections. 487 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,520 Lovelock Cave, despite years of destruction, is one of the most important sites in the 488 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,600 history of North American archaeology. 489 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,600 End of the quote there. 490 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,560 And it was officially designated a historical site in 1984. 491 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,280 So unfortunately we don't have all the artifacts from here. 492 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,160 A lot of them remain in private collections. 493 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,160 And who knows, maybe one of them happens to have a giant skeleton. 494 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,160 We don't know. 495 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,840 But I'm going to say they don't. 496 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,840 Wow. 497 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,340 That's the direction you're going to go with that. 498 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:29,080 I would say I definitely do. 499 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Someone out there. 500 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,080 Some eccentric. 501 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Well, how do you say eccentric? 502 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Accentric billionaire has it in their cave. 503 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,240 What is it? 504 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,680 I'm losing all my words. 505 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,680 They're bonkers. 506 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Okay. 507 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,880 Well, and that's why people listen to us for our varying viewpoints. 508 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,120 But yeah, Chelsea, I know there's literally an ancient aliens episode exclusively on this 509 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,120 cave. 510 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,800 I feel like they kind of handpicked some of the stuff that they were talking about. 511 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,040 Oh, of course they do. 512 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,120 Might I even say that maybe in fact they're not giving us the whole truth that the stories 513 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,040 they're talking about and instead are just picking what they want to say from it. 514 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,680 Do you think they talked about how it was probably not giant? 515 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,680 I can't remember. 516 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,160 I'm going to say they did not. 517 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,680 But I can't remember for sure. 518 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,720 I'm not telling the truth about the giant. 519 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,080 I am again disappointed with the logic of how things are working out. 520 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:28,840 I would like to just say that I still think there's a definite possibility that there 521 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,160 was a giant. 522 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,200 You gave me a little hope because not all the stuff has been recovered. 523 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,800 So there could still be a giant in a bunker somewhere or in someone's private collection. 524 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,120 But it's not pointing that way. 525 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,040 And I should say that there were stories in 1910 about two giant bodies being discovered 526 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,560 in Humboldt, Nevada, which is about a couple miles away from Love Lock Cave. 527 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Really? 528 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,240 I did not talk about those because that wasn't Love Lock Cave. 529 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,480 So I had to keep that out. 530 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,260 Maybe another episode. 531 00:25:57,260 --> 00:26:01,280 Just like I couldn't have talked about Love Lock Cave on the other giant episode. 532 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,280 There's just too much. 533 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,960 I'd love to go investigate for myself, but I myself have to stay out of Nevada because 534 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,200 I've talked about skin walkers too much. 535 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,040 And I'm a wanted person in Nevada by skin walkers. 536 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,040 Unofficial Nevada law. 537 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,040 Yeah. 538 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,160 And it's too bad because they give very clear directions on how to get to Love Lock Cave 539 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,040 for like hiking purposes. 540 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,480 But I wouldn't recommend going in. 541 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,400 The actual entrance to it has since collapsed since it was inhabited. 542 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,960 So it's actually harder to get into, which is also why bats kind of took it over. 543 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,440 If I've learned anything from this podcast, it's probably don't go in a cave because 544 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,760 after that, cryptid things happen or other things that I can't remember. 545 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040 But they're not good in general. 546 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,040 They're spooky. 547 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,480 Chelsea, anything else you want to talk about? 548 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,080 No, I think that's my input. 549 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,320 I was geared up to learn that giants exist. 550 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,320 I know. 551 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,960 And it's funny because I saw this article or somebody talking about Love Lock Cave on 552 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,800 Reddit in the last few days. 553 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,680 So I had to post on there and it's like, you know that this is like fairly exaggerated 554 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,680 stories. 555 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,120 They've never actually recovered anything from there. 556 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,360 Oh no, you were breaking someone's dreams. 557 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:06,360 No. 558 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:11,480 He doubled down because there's like no evidence suggests that any of the corpses recovered 559 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,160 from there had six fingers or double sets of teeth and the red hairs likely just from 560 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,720 natural environmental issues. 561 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,160 He doubled down and said, no, they were giants like Yao Ming's a giant. 562 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,520 And I was like, okay, sure, whatever. 563 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,160 He really took the magical wave giants. 564 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,120 If you're just saying, no, Yao Ming's a giant. 565 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,520 And even if we had one giant bone, if there's one giant, we can take that bone and reverse 566 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,520 engineer it. 567 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,040 Get those kids to do it. 568 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,040 Yeah. 569 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Exactly. 570 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,040 We can take meatballs of them. 571 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,040 I'll ask you kids to do it cheap. 572 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,040 It's pretty much free. 573 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,200 That's a good place to leave it. 574 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,120 But that's one of those times where we just got to make this whole story a little less 575 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:53,120 exciting. 576 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:59,720 Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but somebody had to do some more than bare minimum research. 577 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,720 It was awful actually. 578 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,720 I did not enjoy that. 579 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,600 With that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 580 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,600 We are Journey to the Fringe. 581 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,600 Thank you all for listening. 582 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,640 We'll see you next week. 583 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,640 Bye. 584 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:16,680 In 1911, giant bones were found in Lovelock Cave. 585 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:23,960 Large human skulls and skeletons that measured between seven and eight feet in height, which 586 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,400 for ancient man would have been rather significant. 587 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,880 This caused a sensation. 588 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,200 And one of the strange things about the discoveries in Lovelock Cave is that the skeletons were 589 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,320 often found with red hair. 590 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:43,800 And so it does seem like there are different kind of people than the Native Americans from 591 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,160 that area. 592 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:52,240 The strange thing is that many of the artifacts were huge, like you have giant sized sandals, 593 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:59,920 like a 15 inch long shoe, which is size 29 US, which would fit someone who's about 594 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,080 nine feet tall. 595 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,400 Thank you for listening too, Journey to the Fringe. 596 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,520 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 597 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,520 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 598 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:20,920 Also, please, if possible, leave a five star review, as that really helps us in the algorithms. 599 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,720 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 600 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,480 I bet you we are there. 601 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,960 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell 602 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,360 us that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email. 603 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,800 And at Journey to the Fringe at gmail.com, for now I'll see you in the next episode.