From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we're just giving episodes out like
they're candy and we're babies and I guess you guys are all like metaphorical others
ready to just take said candy.
I've never quite understood that similarly, have you?
Because babies can't fight back and people want to get them to...
Who's taking the candy?
Is it just everybody wants that candy?
Everybody wants the candy.
Even other babies.
Okay, anyhow, we are your babies.
Sorry, podcast host, Taylor, Chelsea.
What if whom doesn't quite understand baby related idioms?
Here today to discuss a giant discovery made in or around the early 1900s.
Chelsea, I think you're going to know this title when I say it.
Today we are going to look at the giants of Lovelock Cave.
Oh, I think I know that one.
Yeah, you do.
I was on the list.
Yeah, is it the discovery of giants?
Maybe, let's read and find out.
You said discovery, what a great discovery.
This all dates back to a myth of the Paiute Indian tribe.
I say Indian just because that's generally at the time that this is all being conveyed,
what they would have been known as.
I understand it is not the best term for it, but it comes up in the writing.
We are still confused about what continent we're on.
Yes, also, did you know that the name of the turkey kind of dates back to we didn't know
what continent they came from?
A lot of these names come from confusion.
I can get behind.
Well, I can kind of get behind it.
The name for turkey in French too is Chicken of India.
Seriously, we didn't know where we were, what was coming from there.
Okay, cool, learning new things.
But anyhow, there's a myth from the Paiute tribe.
There's a written version of it that dates back to 1883 from Sarah Winamuka Hopkins.
She is the daughter of the Paiute chief.
Sorry, I did not look up the actual pronunciation of this tribe, P-A-I-U-T-E.
I am going to call them the Paiute, because I think that's how it's supposed to be said.
Anyhow, this myth tells a tale of a strange red-haired tribe of cannibals that inhabited
Nevada way back in the day, not in the 1800s, but before that the Paiute would come into
contact with them.
And she said that these cannibals would snatch arrows whizzing over their heads and shoot
them back at their enemies.
Oh, that's pretty epic.
Paiutes named this group the Citecac, which translates to tool eaters, T-U-L-E eaters.
Tool is a fibrous water plant.
I find it weird that you would call a cannibal group plant eaters, but this is how the myth
goes.
These giants wove tools, a fibrous water plant, into rafts to navigate across what remained
of Lake Lafontaine, though the story goes.
The Paiutes, a Native American tribe, indigenous to parts of Nevada, Utah and Arizona, describe
the Citecac as a vicious, unapproachable people that killed and ate their captives, and told
early settlers that after years of warfare, all the tribes in the area joined together
to rid themselves of the giants.
Bling giants took refuge in what is now known as Lovelock Cave, and refused to leave despite
demands that they come out and fight.
Mostly, you know, I feel like these giants have a fairly reasonable, logical thought
process.
People are trying to kill them.
They say, hey, come out so we can kill you.
They say no.
Themes logical.
Pursuers don't like this logic.
No, but I feel like I would make also the same decision with my life to stay in the cave
where they couldn't kill me.
The caves are spooky.
Yeah, and you know, you might find out a place artifacts in them, which are spooky in themselves.
Spooky, Steve and Spooky.
I don't know if this reference makes sense at this point, just because I don't know what
at border these steps are coming out in, but let's hope it makes sense.
I might take spooky over death, but it depends on how spooky.
It had to be pretty spooky to choose death over spooky.
What if I just said it's a shallow pond with fish in it in the cave, and you know there's
fish in it?
I don't know.
It depends on how likely I was to die.
Their pursuers don't like this logic.
They get pissed off and they bring brush from all over.
They put it in front of this cave and they set fire to it and they bid to force the giants
to come out.
A few that did emerge promptly killed as we said.
They had a fairly sound reasoning to stay in the cave.
However, the Sitaka that stay in the cave, they die of asphyxiation as told by this myth.
Wow, okay.
This all happens in Love Lock Nevada.
That's the story that is being told at the time.
And a man by the name of John T. Reed, who's a Love Lock Mining Engineer, he's prospecting
Nevada in the late 1800s.
And he hears this story and he's like, huh, where'd you say this happened?
They say Love Lock Cave, or they don't say that.
They point him towards this cave.
I can't quite remember when the name of the city in Love Lock Cave came about, but they
would have pointed him to this cave.
He goes there in 1886 and checks it out.
But when he gets to the cave, he can't find anything.
And do you know why?
Ever since humans stopped inhabiting it, bats have inhabited this cave.
It is at least six feet deep batshit on the floor of this cave.
He didn't want to dig in it.
Not only did he not want to dig in it, it's covered everything.
And I can't imagine why you'd want to do that, especially as a mining prospector.
So he just says, ah, this is gone to shit.
I'm out of here.
So Reed never really made much out of this pile of shit.
But miners later on realize that bat guano that Reed told everybody about, that there's
just a ton of batshit in this cave.
It's an excellent fertilizer.
So these prospectors come along in 1911 and just start hauling out the bat guano.
They're shipping it to San Francisco to be processed to turn into fertilizer.
Like literally, that's how the story comes about.
OK, well, he found out a way to get rid of it so that he can look for giants, right?
Well, this is 30 years later.
So I don't know.
He probably died of dysentery by this point.
Yeah, you're right.
If Oregon Trail is anything to tell me about the times.
I was going to say, if I know anything about the Oregon Trail, people were dying all over
the place of dysentery.
As they're taking out the bat guano, they start to find things in it.
They find bones, baskets, weapons, tools, various other artifacts.
And they also find what they describe as a six foot six mummy.
James H. Hart, one of the miners, wrote that the mummy found in the north central part of
the cave about four feet down in the guano had hair that was distinctly red as well.
Red hair.
These bat guano miners talking about this spur an archaeological dig that takes place
in 1912.
Alec Krober sent LL Loud, an employee of the Museum of Anthropology, University of California,
to recover any materials that remain from the guano mining of the previous year.
I would just like to point out, this is the first ones in here is not the Smithsonian.
It is the University of California.
So unfortunately, we can't blame them for any coverups at this point.
I was just going to say it's coming though.
You got to know it's coming.
Loud excavates Love Lock Cave for the next five months and he collects roughly 10,000
materials and remains.
The majority of the archaeological records were gathered from three areas, a dump outside
the cave left by the miners because, you know, they're just digging stuff and they don't
know what to do with it.
They're not going to put it back in the cave.
They just leave it on the side.
Lower level deposits from the northwest end of the cave and an undisturbed refuse along
the outlying edges of the cave.
Loud did not maintain a comprehensive report of the excavation.
So detailed information is not really available of what happened at the time and the methods
of procedures of archaeological excavations have improved drastically since this time.
And Loud's excavation does not fit the standard of today's practices.
He labeled individual dig locations as lots without establishing any rigid system, rigid
grid system and grid systems are used to determine origins and depths of archaeological
records.
We don't really know where anything came from in there.
He did record 41 lots and later on other dig groups tried to further detail Loud's findings,
but because Loud was not consistent with his methods of recording data, they basically couldn't
put together where anything came from, just the fact that these things came out of the
cave.
Yeah.
After this, second dig takes place in 1924.
Thousands of artifacts and about 60 mummies are recovered.
More.
Not all of them are preserved.
We don't have all 60 mummies anymore.
And I saw this in several articles.
I couldn't find the original source for it, but they all seem to say this.
I don't know why.
One of the best specimens reportedly was boiled and destroyed by a local fraternal lodge
that wanted a skeleton for initiation purposes.
What?
Yeah.
That's as much of the stories I could find, but I had to include that just because I'm
like, why do you include that?
That's weird.
Okay.
I don't know what to do with that information.
There's the Museum of the American Indian and Hay Foundation, New York, commissioned
Harrington and Loud, assisted by local Paiute Indians, attempted to recover any materials
left for previous investigations.
They found leftover fragments too that had been ignored by collectors in the east end
and the center of the cave.
The American Museum of Natural History later sponsors Nelson to conduct a surface collection
of Lovelock Cave in 1936.
However, by the time he gets there, there's no archaeological material to recover, or
at least nothing was admitted to the museum's collections.
Robert Heiser came to Lovelock Cave in 1949 to collect organic material for radiocarbon
dating, and he later returns in 1950 and 1965 with a field group to sifter the remains
that the miners left behind in a slope in front of the cave and collect copper lights.
Do you know what copper light is, Chelsea?
No.
Bossilized human poop.
It's called what?
Copper light.
I've never heard that in my life.
I don't think.
Or luckily.
But anyhow, they find copper light in the cave so they can learn a lot from it.
It's super pumped to have found that humans were shitting in this area for thousands of
years.
Scientists are the weirdest people, I tell you.
In excavations with Lewis Napton during 68 and 69, disturbed human remains were discovered
and the remains found were so scattered that a complete recovery was never possible.
Human copper light found at Lovelock Cave are instrumental in piecing together the culture's
subsistence patterns, specifically the kind of food that they were eating.
Furthermore, because of copper light, organic material, they could date with radiocarbon
dating techniques and they say that humans had been inhabiting Lovelock Cave since at
least 2000 BC, which is just mind boggling.
Wow, that's a long time.
And it became uninhabited of around 980.
So for 2,900 years it was roughly inhabited by humans.
With all that backwaddle.
Mixed with the human poop, of course.
It coexisted together.
At this point, we need to talk a bit about the giant.
This is Lovelock Cave is known because they found bodies of giants, which is a huge thing.
And the C. Teca, depending on the myth you're hearing, has different interpretations.
Some say they're giants, some describe them as we've heard six-fingered, two sets of teeth.
Red-haired, red-haired always comes up.
But giants nonetheless.
And there are reports constantly of giant corpses being removed and being on display
from Lovelock Cave.
Scientists have said there's no actual proof of giants here.
I just need to put that out.
Of the things that we've seen, there's no evidence of giants.
They were first described in Old Indian Tales as cannibals.
A University of Nevada study in the mid-1970s looked at the bones that they were able to
find from Lovelock Cave.
And they indicated that these giants that had been found were about six feet tall.
Of the human corpses they found from that, just six feet tall.
I'll take it.
I mean, I'll take it.
Not up to ten feet tall as had been claimed.
And you can find articles from this time.
They're anywhere from eight feet tall to ten feet tall.
Seven foot seven, six foot six, comes up a lot.
What was left after was evidence of a tribe separate from the principal tribes whose Pio
descendants lived there.
Perhaps a wandering, more aggressive, but outnumbered band finally hunted down and killed
or chased off.
It should be noted that chemical staining by the Earth after burial was advanced as
a likely reason that these mummies' remains had red hair instead of black, like most Indians
in the area.
And that the area that they were buried in with the bat guano was very rich in certain
substances that naturally turns dark hair red over time.
Really?
Yeah.
Like what?
I think it's the nitrogen in it that just naturally like rust sits.
But I can't remember.
I did look into it and it did make a lot of sense because they do find red haired skeletons
and areas that shouldn't have red hair just because of elements in the environment.
Weird.
At the same time, this 1970 study at the University of Nevada looked at a pile of bones that had
been collected from the area that was labeled as giant bones.
These would be the ones that they're saying, yeah, these are the people that are over 10
feet tall.
They basically all were either cows or mammoth bones that had been put in there basically
by people who wanted to spread and sell the tale of giants in the old world.
Like someone who was trying to set up a side show?
Yeah, exactly.
And they had found tall individuals, six feet in fact, which would have been big for the
day.
But that was the tallest skeleton of a human they actually had from Lovelock Cave.
Adrienne Mayer, who wrote about the Sitaka in her book Legends of the First Americas,
suggested that the giant interpretation of the skeletons from Lovelock Cave and other
caves in Nevada were started by entrepreneurs setting up tourist displays.
She also notes that their hair pigment is not stable after death and that various factors
such as temperature and soil conditions can turn very dark hair orange or red.
And about 100 miles north of Lovelock Cave, there are plentiful fossils of mammoths and
cave bears and their large limb bones could easily be thought to be those of giants by
an untrained observer.
And a report written by James H. Hart, the first of two miners to excavate this cave
in the fall of 1911, recalls that the north central part of the cave about four feet
deep was a striking looking body of a man six feet, six inches tall.
So nobody, even from the original miners, thought that anybody exceeded seven feet tall.
And this is somebody who's not trained to look at human bones.
However, it's not just skeletons people will point at when they're talking about giants
being discovered in the cave.
There's also two other artifacts that get brought up.
First one is a handprint that they say is found in the cave.
Chelsea, I'm going to share this with you.
And I'm going to look at.
Okay.
Apparently this is a handprint that is found in Lovelock Cave.
You'll notice that there's a man's hand holding a knife.
Whoa.
It is giant compared to a regular human's hand.
Are we sure that's a hand and not a dinosaur footprint?
That could be it.
If we're looking at an image, I would say it's too pixelated.
It's just, I would say it's too hard to specifically say it's a handprint.
If it is a handprint, it can wear down larger than a normal person's hand.
If everybody's touching it, it's going to move around slightly and help bigger the shape
of it.
Yeah.
And how would a handprint just imprint into the rock?
Well, in my mind, if it's like somewhere you have to climb up, everybody puts their hand
in the same spot over it being inhabited for 2,900 years at least.
That can lead to a wear of the rock in that shape.
I love this guy's giant wood blade.
And let's face it.
Are they saying that a giant just pushed their hand into it?
And that's how that came about?
Yeah.
He got mad and just like slapped it.
And it didn't break the rock.
It just pushed the soft rock in a little bit.
Exactly.
That's logical.
It's logical.
The thing that people bring up, I hit the switch screen so it's on my other tab, is
sandals that were found in the cave purported to be 15 inches long, which would make it
a size 29 foot if you're talking about today measurements, US sizes.
Are you going to show me the sandal?
I am going to show you the sandal.
This is in a museum.
It's actually out there for display.
These are the sandals that they purport to be 15 inches long.
You can go see it.
My problem, Chelsea, I'm sure you can see this too.
I have no way of knowing if that's a 15 inch sandal.
No, no, there's no ruler or anything there.
No.
And it seems to be worn down.
It only covers the arch.
Well, that's the of the Bigfoot sandal there.
There are three sandals.
Well, that's Bigfoot sandals.
I think that's what they're trying to show because it says Bigfoot in the Great Basin.
This also, I'm going to say this picture comes from an article from the New York Post, which
I never like agreeing with things that they're saying just because they don't exactly use
the best sources.
And the other thing too, Chelsea, when you're weaving a sandal, this is just like, let's
say it is 15 inches.
Let's just agree.
It's 15 inches.
What the natural assumption from there then people are going with is that means the foot
that went inside it was also 15 inches.
I think that's the natural way they're going.
And therefore this person was huge.
It's a little smaller, but yeah.
But that's assuming you want to make a shoe the exact size of a foot and you have the
technology to do that every time somebody needs a sandal.
You can make it exactly the size of their foot.
Maybe these things just fit very loose.
I don't know.
Also this cave has a ton of guano in it.
Now this is just my speculation on it.
There's nothing to do with what's actually been set out there.
If you need to walk on guano, maybe they made it like a snowshoe so that you didn't sink
into it.
Okay.
I mean, I can't what you're saying.
Also just here, it's hard to say this thing is 15 inches long.
I can't find anything that actually shows it with a ruler beside it.
This is 15 inches.
Yeah.
We're just taking his word for it.
Yeah.
Also, if you look at it, it looks like you need to pull it up to actually get your foot
in, which would reduce the size.
It's just laying there flat.
And then the materials that made of over the time that it's been just sitting there,
I don't know if this material naturally stretches either.
Or you know, it's been worn for so long and stretched out too.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
Those are all good on probation.
What I can find about it is on the more conspiratorial side of these stories, they all say it's
a 15 inch sandal, not on the Wikipedia article, not on things that purport that these are
just like really cool discoveries, not giants.
Based on what I know of our shoes, I don't see that happening, but obviously these are
not like shoes that I wear every day.
I want to make a note too that again, the Sitaka, they're supposed to be cannibals, but we have
their poop.
We got their copper lights.
They've done a study on it.
Know what they were eating?
Human.
Not humans.
They were eating birds, fish, fauna near the lake, as well as vegetation, which was collected
and stored for winter months.
So the stories about them are already lies.
Well, it's not only that.
My belief is because it was inhabited between 2000 BC and 900 AD, I'm thinking that this
indigenous group came across the cave and saw the red-haired corpses and the story kind
of comes from there, as opposed to it actually being kind of passed down from way back when.
I mean, it's got to start somewhere, right?
Yeah.
Whether or not it's born in like truth or not, or just people being scared of something,
which we've come across before, and it's just a cultural way to stay away from somewhere
because the tribe wants to kill them or something like that.
Yeah.
Well, and if you do come across a body, and again, these guys thought they were six foot
six when they are uncovering them, we have a bad way of estimating when we just find
like skeletons or corpses, how tall they actually were.
If you find them in this environment where they have red hair and they're taller, you
could say it's giants that are different from us and that's why we killed them.
I probably would, yeah.
Although it does kind of run up against why they named them the Eaters of the Pond Plants.
Nothing's making sense.
Yeah.
I find it weird, but that's how it goes.
But the thing that people should actually be thinking about when they're talking about
Lovelock Cave, this is my favorite thing.
Among all the other things they found in there, they found duck decoys, which you're probably
going to say, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they actually have like, this is from 300 BC, they literally looked like ducks.
So they would be decoys you put out there to capture other ducks, I guess.
Or maybe you put it out for other tribes who were hunting ducks.
They kept people.
To get them to try to eat the duck.
I don't know why you would want to do that, but it's a theory.
It's just.
The copyright does not back it up, but it is a theory nonetheless.
It is beginning stages.
In scientific communities, this is considered the most renowned discovery of Lovelock Cave
is the duck decoys.
Harrington and Loud found them when they were digging for the Museum of the American Indian
in 1924.
The cache included eight painted and feathered decoys and three unfinished decoys.
Items found in the same pit consisted of feathers and two bundles of animal traps.
The remarkable decoys were made from bundled tool, which apparently they were eating.
That's what their name was.
A long grass-like herb covered in feathers and painted.
The first attempt to date the decoys with radiocarbon dating took place in 1969.
It didn't work well, but in 1984 we found that these came from anywhere from 130 BC
to 300 BC.
I thought that was really cool.
I had no idea they were using these hunting techniques that long ago.
There's also prehistoric slings that were found.
By Loud in 1912, the Indians of the North Paiute and Paveozo were occupants of the area during
historic times and they recognized the sling as a toy or used for hunting and war.
Slings were known to serve different purposes such as toys, a forehead band, or a mechanism
for hunting birds.
The design of the sling found at Love Lock was structured through a simple knotting technique
from a two-ply yarn.
The pattern of the sling is reversible and is likely made from various pieces of available
fiber.
The sling found at Love Lock is just one of the many handmade textile items from the
caves.
We also know a lot about the lifestyle of the people that lived at Love Lock.
There's still, however, argument about whether it would be inhabited all year round or it
would be a regional location that you go to just for the winter months.
They are still trying to figure out a lot from what they found at Love Lock Cave and
specifically the poop they found along the way.
What I'm gathering is that this is a very important cave that many important discoveries
have come from.
Or interesting, intriguing discoveries, none of them quite giants.
Perhaps somebody who got a little bit excited about something they stumbled upon.
Maybe even spooked by.
Maybe.
And when you specifically look, we did that episode on giants not that long ago.
This is right around that time where just giant fevers all over North America.
So the fact that they found this myth that's written down about these giants in the area,
they could absolutely exploit it and push to try to find it that way.
And I just want to add this, the copper light that they found in the cave.
Main area is 2000 BC to 980.
There's one from the mid 1850s while it was being used as a gun cache by people living
in the area.
So I feel bad for the guy who's like so excited about all this poop he finds and like it was
his grandpa's poop he found, unfortunately.
There wasn't any fresh copper light found.
That will be gross.
It's still moist.
However, there are still things that need to be settled with this today.
Many of the original artifacts found at Love Lock Cave, not giants of course, can be viewed
at the small natural history museum located in Winamucca, Winnavada.
A lot of the things like the planks, the fabrics that they found inside are in Winamucca.
However, objects such as the duck decoy are housed at the Smithsonian Museum in DC.
So what else do they have?
And also does that mean that they were giant ducks?
Because I only ever saw pictures, nothing mentioning the dimensions of them.
Oh my God.
The Smithsonian does get tied in here.
It's the basketry and bones belong to the Nevada State Museum.
So none of the bones ever actually got sent to the Smithsonian.
We don't know that.
Nor did they send anybody according to the official story.
They have a secret seller of secret mystery things.
We learned that on the Smithsonian.
This is one thing that I should say now.
It should be noted that there might be giants from here.
We don't know for sure because Phoebe A. Hearst, Museum of Anthropology at the University
of California, published a paper on Lovelock Cave in 2005 and she stated, the site had
been extensively pot hunted and many material remains in private collections.
Lovelock Cave, despite years of destruction, is one of the most important sites in the
history of North American archaeology.
End of the quote there.
And it was officially designated a historical site in 1984.
So unfortunately we don't have all the artifacts from here.
A lot of them remain in private collections.
And who knows, maybe one of them happens to have a giant skeleton.
We don't know.
But I'm going to say they don't.
Wow.
That's the direction you're going to go with that.
I would say I definitely do.
Someone out there.
Some eccentric.
Well, how do you say eccentric?
Accentric billionaire has it in their cave.
What is it?
I'm losing all my words.
They're bonkers.
Okay.
Well, and that's why people listen to us for our varying viewpoints.
But yeah, Chelsea, I know there's literally an ancient aliens episode exclusively on this
cave.
I feel like they kind of handpicked some of the stuff that they were talking about.
Oh, of course they do.
Might I even say that maybe in fact they're not giving us the whole truth that the stories
they're talking about and instead are just picking what they want to say from it.
Do you think they talked about how it was probably not giant?
I can't remember.
I'm going to say they did not.
But I can't remember for sure.
I'm not telling the truth about the giant.
I am again disappointed with the logic of how things are working out.
I would like to just say that I still think there's a definite possibility that there
was a giant.
You gave me a little hope because not all the stuff has been recovered.
So there could still be a giant in a bunker somewhere or in someone's private collection.
But it's not pointing that way.
And I should say that there were stories in 1910 about two giant bodies being discovered
in Humboldt, Nevada, which is about a couple miles away from Love Lock Cave.
Really?
I did not talk about those because that wasn't Love Lock Cave.
So I had to keep that out.
Maybe another episode.
Just like I couldn't have talked about Love Lock Cave on the other giant episode.
There's just too much.
I'd love to go investigate for myself, but I myself have to stay out of Nevada because
I've talked about skin walkers too much.
And I'm a wanted person in Nevada by skin walkers.
Unofficial Nevada law.
Yeah.
And it's too bad because they give very clear directions on how to get to Love Lock Cave
for like hiking purposes.
But I wouldn't recommend going in.
The actual entrance to it has since collapsed since it was inhabited.
So it's actually harder to get into, which is also why bats kind of took it over.
If I've learned anything from this podcast, it's probably don't go in a cave because
after that, cryptid things happen or other things that I can't remember.
But they're not good in general.
They're spooky.
Chelsea, anything else you want to talk about?
No, I think that's my input.
I was geared up to learn that giants exist.
I know.
And it's funny because I saw this article or somebody talking about Love Lock Cave on
Reddit in the last few days.
So I had to post on there and it's like, you know that this is like fairly exaggerated
stories.
They've never actually recovered anything from there.
Oh no, you were breaking someone's dreams.
No.
He doubled down because there's like no evidence suggests that any of the corpses recovered
from there had six fingers or double sets of teeth and the red hairs likely just from
natural environmental issues.
He doubled down and said, no, they were giants like Yao Ming's a giant.
And I was like, okay, sure, whatever.
He really took the magical wave giants.
If you're just saying, no, Yao Ming's a giant.
And even if we had one giant bone, if there's one giant, we can take that bone and reverse
engineer it.
Get those kids to do it.
Yeah.
Exactly.
We can take meatballs of them.
I'll ask you kids to do it cheap.
It's pretty much free.
That's a good place to leave it.
But that's one of those times where we just got to make this whole story a little less
exciting.
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but somebody had to do some more than bare minimum research.
It was awful actually.
I did not enjoy that.
With that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
We are Journey to the Fringe.
Thank you all for listening.
We'll see you next week.
Bye.
In 1911, giant bones were found in Lovelock Cave.
Large human skulls and skeletons that measured between seven and eight feet in height, which
for ancient man would have been rather significant.
This caused a sensation.
And one of the strange things about the discoveries in Lovelock Cave is that the skeletons were
often found with red hair.
And so it does seem like there are different kind of people than the Native Americans from
that area.
The strange thing is that many of the artifacts were huge, like you have giant sized sandals,
like a 15 inch long shoe, which is size 29 US, which would fit someone who's about
nine feet tall.
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