1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,280 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,080 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe. 3 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:20,460 It should be noted, not a significant source of dietary fiber. 4 00:00:20,460 --> 00:00:25,400 We are your nutritionally insignificant podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, and today I think 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:31,480 we are finally getting to a much anticipated episode that we've alluded to for some time 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:37,000 with another asshole of the paranormal community, I think is a safe way to describe him. 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,920 I would say so, yeah. 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,160 Which I don't know, is that a spoiler for what's to come? 9 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:43,160 I don't know. 10 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:44,880 Don't give away too much. 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,840 I think I might have given away the ending, unfortunately. 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,600 We find out pretty quickly, don't worry. 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Okay, finally. 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Another asshole. 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Who was the last one we did, Nori? 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,600 I think it was Nori, yeah. 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,880 This one we've been looking forward to, and I'm just repeating everything that Taylor 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,800 just said, it's David. 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,800 David Pallatus. 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,320 I think that's how you say it. 21 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:11,840 You hear people say it all over a bunch of different ways. 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,440 That's how I'm choosing to say it today. 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:19,400 Pallatus must talk about one of the most popular paranormal topics out there. 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Mysterious Disappearances, which started out in national parks in the United States. 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,400 He really branched out long term. 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,400 He did. 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,680 I mean, he got to keep the book sales going. 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,560 I enjoy the topic as well. 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,640 I won't lie. 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,840 I've enjoyed listening to it. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,320 There's just something about it that's, it's the unexplained in it. 32 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:43,840 Elsie, sorry, just before we get too far into it, I think our last asshole was technically 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,840 the Queen of Canada. 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Was it? 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,840 I think it was. 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,680 I don't study our timeline, so it's one of those, at least, at the very least. 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,040 Those are the last two, I think. 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Don't hold us to it though. 39 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:03,760 So even Pallatus, if you haven't heard of him, he's a fairly regular guest on various 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,080 podcasts, Coast to Coast AM. 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,440 And if we were going to be nice to him, I think we could probably have gotten him on, 42 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,440 too. 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,760 But I don't see us being that nice to him. 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,760 No. 45 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,360 That's why we don't interview people. 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,360 We're nice people. 47 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,040 I don't want to scare anyone off. 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Let us know if you want to be on the podcast. 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,640 Maybe we might be nice to you. 50 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:24,640 I don't know. 51 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:25,640 We might be nice. 52 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:26,640 We might. 53 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:30,760 Just look at the show. 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,480 So he does roof on talks. 55 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:38,680 He has movies now, many books, and is the topic of many podcasts as well. 56 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,600 And I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the content as well. 57 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:47,080 There's just something about mysterious disappearances, and that's me, you know, talking for myself 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,280 and then reading off a script, because I did also just say that. 59 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,680 And most importantly, the non-mysterious disappearances are usually just really sad. 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,040 I mean, you could listen to it in that alternative way, but I choose not to. 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,040 It's too sad. 62 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,040 All of them are sad. 63 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Yeah. 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,240 Do you like the topic? 65 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,320 I do, yes. 66 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,240 And I, you know what, David Politis, if you've never heard him, like, I think he's worth 67 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,680 a listen because he does have a good talk. 68 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,480 Like he is interesting. 69 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,720 He does play up the drama. 70 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Yeah. 71 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:19,720 I like listening to him. 72 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:26,600 I enjoy, thank you for that, because we're about to tear this shit apart and change everything. 73 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,400 But yeah, I enjoy it too. 74 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Every time I can, I kind of listen to him. 75 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,680 I know a lot of podcasts say they're their most popular podcasts when they do a David 76 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,960 Politis episode. 77 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,160 People like listening to the mysterious disappearances. 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Yeah. 79 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,960 And when I was still listening to George Norrie on Coast to Coast, I think those were one 80 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,880 of the few ones I still listened to is when David Politis came on. 81 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,080 I will say as a spoiler alert. 82 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,520 I think George Norrie is one of the best interviewers for him because he can just walk all over 83 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,920 him because he doesn't question shit. 84 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:57,920 And also prompt. 85 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Oh, no, you know what? 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,960 Sorry, George Knapp did interview him. 87 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,440 It was more so with relation to Bigfoot stuff though. 88 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Yeah, he hasn't really, but I think it was only the ones that George Knapp and it was 89 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:14,880 just with Bigfoot, I think, which was the main stuff that I touch a little bit on the 90 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:15,880 Bigfoot. 91 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:22,920 And looking at this stuff because I'm on a David Politis Reddit sub and just a lot of 92 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,720 different paranormal Reddit communities. 93 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,520 I love Reddit. 94 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,840 I really love most of the people that we cover when they have their own subreddit. 95 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,440 It is filled with people who hate this person. 96 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Yes. 97 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,640 And I appreciate that. 98 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Don't go to our subreddit, please. 99 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Oh, you're all you want. 100 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,800 It's restricted only I can post. 101 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:52,520 I did see a lot of negative rumblings about David Politis wherever I was seeing it, but 102 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,160 I never really paid attention to it. 103 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,160 I was just kind of like, I think I sent one to you and was like, apparently people hate 104 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,920 David Politis because I never looked into it more than that. 105 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,320 And even when I was hearing him speak to, like I said, I enjoy listening to him like 106 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,480 every fourth or fifth story he talked about, you're like, yeah, but that has a simple answer 107 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,400 that you're not talking about. 108 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,080 I mean, of course. 109 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,320 Like he always talked about like how people going missing in the middle of winter would 110 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,560 mysteriously be discovered not wearing clothes. 111 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,720 And I'm like, you know, that's like, I forget there's a specific term for it. 112 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,360 Yeah, we're going to get to it. 113 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,680 And I will tell you specifically what the word is when we get to it. 114 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Yeah, I kept seeing all these negative things. 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,040 I didn't actually really look at them because when I like something, I choose to turn a 116 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,040 blind eye to it. 117 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Like Serpo is real, right? 118 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,280 Oh, yeah, for sure. 119 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:42,920 That guy wrote all about it. 120 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,880 And it was definitely not somebody that we've covered in the podcast. 121 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,880 I love Serpo. 122 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,080 So that's definitely real. 123 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,760 We definitely didn't do a podcast about it telling us otherwise. 124 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,280 So I was like, I'm finally going to do David Plates. 125 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:04,840 And it only took me a little bit of searching to release forth the floodgates of how big 126 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,040 of an asshole this guy is. 127 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,480 So without further ado, shall we get into this? 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Oh yeah, this is going to be a two part episode, by the way. 129 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:13,880 Let's do it. 130 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,720 David, no middle name that I know of, Pallatus. 131 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,720 Long middle name. 132 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,920 He's a former police officer. 133 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,280 If you've heard him talk, he loves to say this. 134 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:24,840 It boosts his credibility, right? 135 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:26,120 He's a good researcher. 136 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,440 He was an investigator. 137 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Yeah, that's in fact his entire credentials on how he's a good researcher is he was a 138 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,960 clock. 139 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,000 So he's a former police officer, perhaps, who is now an investigator and self published 140 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,160 author, including the topics of Bigfoot and proving the reality of the creature as well 141 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,000 as the missing 411, which is a series of books and films that document people who have gone 142 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,520 missing under mysterious spooky circumstances. 143 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,040 He doesn't say spooky, but I think that needed to be in there. 144 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Topics may or may not be related. 145 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,400 He's never put forth the theory I believe on missing 411. 146 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,120 If I'm up to date on what he's talking about, I would say he probably hasn't. 147 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,720 I think he's speculated without stating he's speculating because I've seen him do presentation 148 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,120 where he talks about how a lot of these experiences are near granite. 149 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,120 Like if you look at him now, granite. 150 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,120 He definitely eludes. 151 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,560 Yeah, but he refuses to outright say anything. 152 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,160 However, I would go out on a limb and say he probably thinks it's Bigfoot just based 153 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,080 on all his Bigfoot interest, which we're going to talk about a little bit here. 154 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,000 We start out with Politis receiving his undergraduate and graduate degrees from the University of 155 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,440 San Francisco. 156 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:44,880 His professional background includes 20 years in law enforcement starting in 1977, transferring 157 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,000 in 1980 to the San Jose Police Department working in the patrol division on the SWAT 158 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,560 team, patrol and streetcimes unit and a variety of assignments in the detective division. 159 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,840 While working as a court liaison officer in December 1996, Politis was charged with a 160 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:06,080 misdemeanor count of falsely soliciting for a charity and fired from his job. 161 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:12,000 His biography also states vaguely that he held a senior executive position in the technology 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 sector. 163 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 I am going to circle back to that last thing that I said. 164 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Don't worry. 165 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,160 That is super vague. 166 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,920 It never comes up again what that was. 167 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,640 So that's from his biography. 168 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,480 That's kind of all we get from him. 169 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,160 And you may be asking, did you just say he was fired from his job as a law enforcement 170 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,160 officer? 171 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,160 I did say that. 172 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,160 I did say it. 173 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Kelsey, I just want to add, like, do you remember that guy who that does harp that we covered 174 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,880 for the harp episode? 175 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,880 Yeah. 176 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,880 Who had a... 177 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:41,880 It's not this guy, is it? 178 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:42,880 No. 179 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,880 The guy who had the degree from Sri Lanka. 180 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,880 Right? 181 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:45,880 Yep. 182 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Yeah. 183 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,880 An honorary degree from Sri Lanka. 184 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:48,880 Yeah. 185 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,000 He was comfortable putting that in his bio where all Politis can do is say, tech industry. 186 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 That's it. 187 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Yeah, I don't... 188 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,200 I could just say he had a degree from university and it would allude to the same information. 189 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Yeah. 190 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,320 He obviously didn't put that he was fired from his police officer job in there. 191 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,560 That was something that I found out through all of this. 192 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:14,520 But the vagueness of the technology sector, I'm really not sure about. 193 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,320 It could be that he has an only van. 194 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,120 It could be. 195 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,400 So I was able to draw up an article from Mercury News published December 21st, 1996. 196 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:33,800 The title of this is San Jose Officer accused of false solicitation autographs. 197 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,760 A forced veteran allegedly used city stationery to ask for memorabilia. 198 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,840 By Sandra Gonzalez, Mercury News staff writer December 21st, 1996. 199 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,720 Publication San Jose, Mercury News, page 1b, word count 496. 200 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,240 How about to read 496 words? 201 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Brace yourselves. 202 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,680 I think we've done it before Chelsea. 203 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:57,360 It's just when you see the number. 204 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,040 That's too many. 205 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:06,000 When a veteran San Jose police officer began soliciting celebrity autographs on city stationery, 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,000 he wound up with more than just a friendly letter from singer Lionel Richie to hang 207 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 on his wall. 208 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,720 He also got an arrest warrant last week charging him with a misdemeanor count of falsely soliciting 209 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,240 for charity, a crime for which he could face a year in jail. 210 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Officer David Paul, there it is, Paul. 211 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,920 EPP David Paul Pelitus, 40, aroused suspicion after he was seen using city stationery on 212 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,840 the department's computer printers. 213 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,720 Pelitus also sent and received large quantities of unofficial mail at the department police 214 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,720 report say. 215 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,040 None of those activities fell within his duties as a court liaison officer, prompting 216 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,880 an internal investigation that began last September. 217 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:48,840 Quote, he's an autograph hound, end quote, said assistant district attorney Karen Sennunu, 218 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,640 who filed the complaint last week in municipal court. 219 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,800 Quote, it was a stupid thing to do to spend your time enhancing your personal collection 220 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,400 when taxpayers are paying for you to work, end quote. 221 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,760 Suspicions were heightened when the police department received a phone call from a Los 222 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Angeles publicist asking to speak with Pelitus about the quote police hall of fame, end quote, 223 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,800 and a letter from the Lionel Richie fan club, which enclosed an autograph compact disc by 224 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,800 the singer. 225 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,680 As it turned out, the ladies had solicited autographs from such people as Newswoman Diane 226 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:24,800 Sawyer, astronaut Mae Jemison, model Carol Alt, exercise guru Jack LaLanne. 227 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,080 Jack LaLanne, do you remember he's an ex-servant of the Simpsons? 228 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,080 Jack LaLanne, what one? 229 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:34,480 It's the, oh, it's the episode where Bart and Lisa kidnap the old folks people and go 230 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,400 on that cruise and the ship gets destroyed. 231 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,920 I'm going to have to watch that later. 232 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,240 It's not ringing a bell right now. 233 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,760 Yeah, he's, he was that super buff, like 70 year old. 234 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,400 From the late nineties, early 2000s. 235 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Oh yeah. 236 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Pelitus has a very odd, like these are celebrities that he wants autographs from. 237 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,960 And then Ivana Trump. 238 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,960 Ivanka. 239 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,440 No, this one says Ivana. 240 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,440 Oh, maybe it is Ivana. 241 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,440 I don't know who Ivana is. 242 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:01,440 I don't know. 243 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Maybe it's Ivanka. 244 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,440 Maybe this is Missile. 245 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Allegedly by falsely claiming he was working on a city project. 246 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,840 I mean, you're autographs. 247 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:15,200 Yeah, I'm sorry, can we just swing back just slightly his middle name is Paul, which it 248 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,640 really just makes it sound like you're mispronouncing his last name when you say his full name. 249 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:26,080 It's more common than you would think of people like naming like a regular name and then their 250 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,680 last name has it in there. 251 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:28,680 Press me. 252 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:29,920 It's very common and it's weird. 253 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,280 I get weirded out by it. 254 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,240 What, like, why would you do that to your kid? 255 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,840 Yeah, these parents just wanted to make everybody sound like they're mispronouncing his name 256 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,840 when they say his whole name Paul, polite. 257 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,320 Yeah, no, no, it's a pet people's mind. 258 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,320 Okay. 259 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,880 So in a letter to Trump, for example, polite is wrote quote, you are a great role model 260 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,880 for young women. 261 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Dot, dot, dot. 262 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,360 I've been given the task by I don't think I say the dots, but I'm going to say it now. 263 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,360 The dramatic effect. 264 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,120 Because that's how you do dramatic effect. 265 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,360 I've been given the task by my city to develop a display for a lobby of successful business 266 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,760 woman dot, dot, dot. 267 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,200 We are respectfully requesting an autograph photo for our display dot, dot, dot. 268 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,160 Your success on a professional as well as personal level make you a superior business 269 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,760 woman and mother. 270 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,960 End quote. 271 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,480 Just listen to like notice how he put that together though. 272 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,720 This is all fraud fraudulently, by the way, my dad several of the celebrities have returned 273 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,880 autograph photographs of themselves. 274 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,360 Lettuce's attorney Daniel Jensen claims it was an unfortunate misunderstanding. 275 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,240 Quote, he feels badly and is embarrassed. 276 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,240 End quote. 277 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Jensen said that the officer was gathering the autographs to serve as teaching aids for 278 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,040 a class that he had taught and that Pallatus had envisioned hanging the picture in the 279 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,160 department's lobby. 280 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,680 Quote, they were to be inspirational examples of people who've done very well. 281 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:53,680 End quote. 282 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:58,480 Jensen said authorities, however, say there is no authorized Hall of Fame being developed 283 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,480 for any lobby. 284 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,600 He could find nothing Pallatus was associated with in an official capacity that would give 285 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,560 him the authority to seek autographs on the department's behalf. 286 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:13,560 Pallatus is one of several instructors who taught a city sponsored organizational development 287 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,520 class he had not taught the course since March. 288 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,720 Police spokesman officer Lewis Hisada said Pallatus is on vacation. 289 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Hisada could not say what sort of job action the department might take against Pallatus. 290 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,560 Jensen, however, said possible repercussions range from disciplinary action to termination 291 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,880 from the department where Pallatus has worked since 1980. 292 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Pallatus surrendered to authorities last week and was released. 293 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,200 He is expected to be a reign next month in municipal court. 294 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Wow, that was over 400 words I was heard. 295 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,800 So I'm just missing people's was just kind of a natural segue for his career to take 296 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,840 for he was forced out of his actual career is what I'm getting from this. 297 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,840 It's looking like it. 298 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,840 Yeah. 299 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,240 So I'm not going to lie, not looking good for his credibility here. 300 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Why he was fired that is. 301 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,760 However, if we could rewind a bit to before he was fired back to his career as a police 302 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,800 officer in San Jose, we could take a look at a few other things from the David Pallatus 303 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:14,080 career vault, which probably don't help in the credibility department even more. 304 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,320 Bigfoot department or missing 411 department. 305 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,840 No departments are helped. 306 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:24,640 And I I also had to speculate at this point to Chelsea that he this couldn't have been 307 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,440 his first step to getting autographs, right? 308 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,680 He was probably just sending letters out on his own and not getting results. 309 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,400 So he had to step up his game a bit, right? 310 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,120 I would speculate as much. 311 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Yeah, yeah, I would speculate that he was probably personally reaching out and I mean, 312 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,200 I don't want to say out of an act of desperation. 313 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,680 I would probably go out on a limb to say, I mean, this is an ego thing, I think, to 314 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,080 be like, I'm going to use my power to get what I want. 315 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,080 And flattery. 316 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Yeah. 317 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,080 Yeah. 318 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,320 He's going to be well to be able. 319 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,200 He knows how to talk to people. 320 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Yeah. 321 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,280 On to the next thing that we have with his career in the early 1980s, Pallatus spends 322 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,240 a lot of time and many of the taxpayers dollars in adult bookstores. 323 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:13,000 I'm going to continue that sentence and trapping gay men for solicitation. 324 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Okay, we're not talking about bookstores that just don't have a young adult section, 325 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,440 right? 326 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,440 Right. 327 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,440 Okay. 328 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,040 So starting to an article in the Bay Area reporter on April 28, 1983. 329 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,680 Is that the natural progression that you're supposed to go to after you've aged out of 330 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,000 young adult books as to the adult books? 331 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Yeah. 332 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Okay. 333 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 I assume that's how it works. 334 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 I never thought of it. 335 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Because children, young adults, adults, I assume. 336 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,520 Yeah. 337 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,520 That's a natural progression, I would say. 338 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,520 Yeah. 339 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:47,720 Well, David Treadwell, an active activist in San Jose, reports some happy news, sort 340 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,720 of. 341 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,560 That officer, Pallatus of the San Jose Police Department Street Crimes Unit has left the 342 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,920 force to join the FBI. 343 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,760 According to Treadwell, officer Pallatus was often referred to as the, quote, king of the 344 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,840 bookstore detail and, quote, due to the number of arrests he made, quote, Pallatus more than 345 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,120 any other officer in that detail took a particular delight in his work. 346 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:14,760 He often spent much of his time in the movie arcade section of the adult bookstore and, 347 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,040 quote, says Treadmax. 348 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Well, re quote. 349 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,600 Much of the time he would spend pumping quarters into the movie machines, our tax money, when 350 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,840 he saw what he assumed to be a gay male he would try to make eye contact with. 351 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,960 He knew all of the body language that gay men use when they are cruising, Treadwell reports. 352 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,240 You can just assume I'm saying end quote, re quote for these, because he's talking. 353 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,360 His actions did not stop there. 354 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:41,720 After engaging the gay men in conversation, he would often ask if that person had a place 355 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,720 to go. 356 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,920 Pallatus would indicate that he could not go to his place. 357 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,480 Many of these conversations were lengthy, lasted for several minutes. 358 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,640 Arrests were made after the men would agree to go to Pallatus' car. 359 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,720 With the announcement that Pallatus would be joining the FBI surmises Treadwell, the 360 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,480 motivation is becoming clearer. 361 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,480 Pallatus, who testified in court that he has made over a hundred bookstores arrests in 362 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,000 a seven month period, had a conviction rate of almost 100% says Treadwell. 363 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,800 At this time it was reported that he was leaving the street crimes unit to join the FBI, as 364 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:12,800 it just said. 365 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,280 For whatever reason, this did not happen and he remained with the San Jose police force, 366 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,440 eventually being promoted to the city's elite SWAT team. 367 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,960 Merge, Mobile Emergency Response Gear and Equipment. 368 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,720 However, by 1987 he and his unit were accused of police brutality against blacks. 369 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,520 So there's a lot of articles on this, so assault suspects says San Jose police beat him. 370 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,680 January 9th, 1987. 371 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,120 Blacks say they are victimized January 9th, 1987. 372 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:45,880 San Jose police beat suspect witnesses say February 9th, 1987. 373 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,560 However, the DA's office didn't believe there was enough evidence for a conviction against 374 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,600 Pallatus and whoever else was involved in this. 375 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,440 Here's another headline, no charges and alleged brutality. 376 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,560 Police say internal probe continues in Merge unit, May 15th, 1987. 377 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,960 Let me just pull one of these and read a little bit of it. 378 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,320 I do find it kind of hilarious that it's not actually like the misuse of power as a police 379 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,000 officer that ends up getting him, it's him asking for autographs. 380 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,080 Autographs, like something so stupid. 381 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,600 Okay, this is just loaning. 382 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,960 Let's just choose one at random to read. 383 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,000 This one, San Jose police beat suspect witnesses say. 384 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,520 By Brad Kava, Mercury News staff writer, February 9th, 1987. 385 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,120 For the third time in the past two months, the elite Merge unit of the San Jose police 386 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:36,040 department has been accused of brutality against criminal suspects. 387 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,920 Last month, three men said they were beaten by members of the Merge mobile emergency response 388 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,200 group and equipment team in the San Jose apartments in two separate arrests on December 27. 389 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,280 The allegations, which are under investigation by the department, were supported by friends 390 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,120 and relatives of the suspects who witnessed the events. 391 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:57,760 In a new case, two women and a 12 year old girl who were not friends or relatives of 392 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,000 a suspect have testified in court that they watched a group of Merge officers beat a suspected 393 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,680 drug dealer with Billy. 394 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,280 Oh, the bats. 395 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,600 After he raised his arms and surrendered during a December arrest. 396 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:15,360 The two women testified January 29th and 30th at a preliminary hearing for Gary Syres and 397 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:21,640 his co-defendant Daniel Johnson before Santa Clara County municipal judge John S. Pasco. 398 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,400 Syres and Johnson were arrested at 10.30pm December 12th in charge with possession of 399 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,840 cocaine for sale. 400 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,360 Police claim they had almost a pound of the drug in two suitcases in an apartment at 28 401 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,560 North Jackson Avenue, San Jose. 402 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:41,720 The officer said they struck Syres with clubs but in self defense after he swung at an officer. 403 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,840 The witness said the suspect claims the beating was unprovoked. 404 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,360 In his arrest report and in court testimony, officer David Polatus said officers hit Syres 405 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:55,920 in the legs with billies after he took a combative stance and swung at officer Neil Wilson. 406 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,400 The women said they watched uniformed police officers and plainclothes parole agents chase 407 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,680 Syres down North Jackson Avenue. 408 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,000 They said the police began hitting Syres from the moment they caught up with him and continued 409 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 after he was lying helpless on the ground. 410 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,240 The apartment complex manager, Rosa Linda Merlequin, questioned by defense attorney Chris 411 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Carroll put her hands up over her head to illustrate her point. 412 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,160 He put his arms up and he kind of gave up, said Merlequin 33. 413 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,600 He stalked and put his arms up. 414 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,520 They told him to go on the ground and started kicking him and beating him with the sticks. 415 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Carroll asked her to show again how she thought Syres raised his hands. 416 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,760 She lifted her hands above her head and a gesture of surrender. 417 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,120 Are you certain that's what he did? 418 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,120 He asked. 419 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,120 I was right in front of it. 420 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,120 She answered. 421 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,400 Did he ever swing at the officers? 422 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,400 No, she said. 423 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,400 How long was he beaten? 424 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,400 Carroll asked about three or four minutes Merlequin said. 425 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,280 Was he struck in the face with a baton? 426 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,560 A couple of times, I would say. 427 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,760 Merlequin said she saw four or five officers surround Syres and began kicking and hitting 428 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,760 him. 429 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,480 She had seen one of the officers in the group, Polatus, testifying in court. 430 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,040 The suspected drug dealer arrested Thursday was okay. 431 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,560 I think these are out of order, but you get the idea. 432 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,640 That's just one of the articles. 433 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,880 I should put like a trigger warning or something on that. 434 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:15,760 I will on the notes, but the article says that the DA's office says the internal investigations 435 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,760 were continuing. 436 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,360 I believe personally this is probably the incident which led from him being demoted 437 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:26,280 as a street caught to the court liaison prior to being charged for false solicitation, 438 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,640 which ended his police career in San Jose. 439 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,960 A solicitation being the request for autographs. 440 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,640 That's how I think the timeline goes. 441 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,640 Okay. 442 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,640 Yeah. 443 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,640 And you know what? 444 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,280 That's probably the last straw in everything in my mind is that like there's already all 445 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,040 this on his record and then he's going out of his way to try to get. 446 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,600 I mean, you're looking at the timeline of 1987. 447 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,840 Violence in that is happening. 448 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,000 I know we had 2020, 2021 and we had the whole Black Lives Matter. 449 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,960 Police brutality like that was looked at very differently in 1987. 450 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,960 It was just if that's the way it happened, it's funny, not funny. 451 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:12,480 Obviously, he gets fired for solicitation for autographs, not in police brutality. 452 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,960 I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say about that. 453 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,760 It's just, I also don't think that police have changed all that much. 454 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520 No, I don't think they've changed it all either. 455 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,840 But yeah, that's what actually gets him fired is an autograph, not police brutality. 456 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:35,760 Anyhow, this is the background of the person who is doing this research saying, you know, 457 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,880 I'm so credible. 458 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,640 I know how to do this research. 459 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,000 I am a retired police officer. 460 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,160 He was fired. 461 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,880 So this is where the rumblings kind of started out with him when I was looking into his personal 462 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,880 life. 463 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240 We're just going to keep on going. 464 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,080 That's his personal background. 465 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,980 That's what you don't know, but really do need to know about David Pilatus when he 466 00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,760 throws around how credible of a person he is. 467 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,520 Yeah, he should at least include one more sentence in that description of I am a cop. 468 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,280 Oh, I know what's going on. 469 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,200 This is before all the misinformable one business and everything. 470 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,080 So then he's like, I'm guessing now that I'm fired, I'm going to go be an author now, 471 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,880 but I'm going to have to self publish because I'm a real class a asshole and I'm just going 472 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040 to put whatever I want in my books. 473 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Yeah, he self publishes. 474 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,480 All in all, David Pilatus uses his past career titles to try and boost his trust with his 475 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,040 audience and his credibility as a researcher and listening to him, you're like, oh, this 476 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040 guy was a cop. 477 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,040 He knows what he's talking about. 478 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,960 Cops have the trust, should have the trust of the public. 479 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,160 So he really used that to boost what he's after. 480 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,560 But it seems he did the exact same thing with that title in the past of leveraging it to 481 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000 manipulate people to get what he wants. 482 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Now this is where we're going to start with his Bigfoot research. 483 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,920 Pilatus has two self published books relating to one of our most beloved cryptids. 484 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,600 And he also founded the group, the North America Bigfoot Search. 485 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,800 Bigfoot is like a big love of David Pilatus. 486 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,480 Was that any of the requests for autograph he sent out by chance? 487 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,480 He puts? 488 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Yeah. 489 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,480 He has a mailing address. 490 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Yeah, fair. 491 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,680 He's finding some left in the woods. 492 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,000 Your entrepreneurship has led us to need your signature at City Hall. 493 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Pilatus has said North America Bigfoot Search was instrumental in the genesis of a paper 494 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,800 published in 2013. 495 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,560 That's his little Bigfoot research group, which claimed that Bigfoot was real. 496 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,560 That's right. 497 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,680 They had a sequence genome of Bigfoot. 498 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,680 You remember this? 499 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,280 Yes, they got that scientist on board. 500 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,520 I do remember that. 501 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,520 Yeah. 502 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,680 And that it really just went away. 503 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,680 Yeah. 504 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,680 Quote, the world needs to understand that North America Bigfoot Search was an organizer 505 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,680 of the study. 506 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,320 We orchestrated the search that led to picking Melba S. Ketchum to conduct a study of Bigfoot 507 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,320 DNA. 508 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,320 That's who you're thinking of, right? 509 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Yes. 510 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,280 And she was on Coast to Coast when this was all going on. 511 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,160 She needs her own episode, by the way. 512 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:19,640 The resulting paper documented the analysis of 111 samples of hypothesized Bigfoot DNA 513 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,160 and was written by 11 different authors. 514 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:28,960 On November 24, 2012, DNA diagnostics of veterinary laboratory headed by Ketchum issued 515 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,200 a press release. 516 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,040 A team of scientists can verify that their five-year-long DNA study, currently under 517 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,840 peer review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called 518 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,120 Bigfoot or Sasquatch, living in North America. 519 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:49,600 Researchers' extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative 520 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,480 that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern homo sapiens with 521 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,080 an unknown primate species. 522 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,280 This announcement enthralled the press, but annoyed many cryptozoologists and science 523 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:09,040 observers because it came with no published paper and no data, only a long and shady history 524 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,680 of partnerships, projects, and promises. 525 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,680 Ketchum promised the paper would soon follow after the announcement. 526 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,680 When it finally did appear nearly three months after her announcement, it was less than 527 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,680 impressive. 528 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,920 It made no sense evolutionary, evolutionarily, and sparked new controversies about her personal 529 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,520 responsibility, the ethics of publishing, and what was going on behind the scenes with 530 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,520 the project. 531 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,520 The paper was analyzed by Shannon Hill of Doubtful News for the Committee of Skeptical 532 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,520 Inquiry. 533 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,280 Hill's report concluded that the paper was of poor quality, stating that, quote, the 534 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,920 few experienced geneticists who viewed the paper reported a dismal opinion of it, noting 535 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,360 it made little sense. 536 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:54,120 The scientists magazine also analyzed the paper, reporting that the analysis in data 537 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:59,600 failed to support the claims of existence of a human primate hybrid, but rather, analysis 538 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,160 either come back as 100% human or fail in the ways that suggest technical artifacts. 539 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,840 The website for the DeNovo Journal of Science was set up on February 4th, and there is no 540 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,600 indication that Ketchum's work, the only study it has published, was peer reviewed. 541 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,600 Yeah, that's bad. 542 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,120 Yeah, real bad. 543 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,120 It's real bad. 544 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:25,720 So this paper and Melba Ketchum are literally their own asshole topic to do as a...she 545 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,520 could have her own, but this could be a subset of David Pilatus for Down the Road. 546 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,320 So just remember this moment when we tackle it because I predicted that we will do it. 547 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,040 If not, I have faith that this will be lost to time and no one will ever remember. 548 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,040 There's a chance. 549 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,040 Yes. 550 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,040 There's a chance. 551 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,600 Not that I'm keeping count, but we're currently at minus two for credibility for Pilatus, 552 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,560 not journey to the French to be clear. 553 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,560 And you know what? 554 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,440 The policing counts as minus two, so we're minus three. 555 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:59,760 And that is, let's just say, David Pilatus up until and including his Bigfoot research. 556 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,680 So that's going to end off what I have to talk about today. 557 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,480 And next episode, we are going to talk about the missing 411 phenomenon itself. 558 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,280 Do you have anything to say? 559 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,160 I'm just really excited for the twist where it turns out he's actually really good at 560 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,040 research when it comes specifically to missing people. 561 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,040 Yep. 562 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,040 You know what? 563 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,040 It's going to be a short episode. 564 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,040 It's a five minute episode. 565 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,440 I just believe you're predicting it. 566 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,680 I might as well just end the whole series now and just say he actually turns out to be 567 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,880 a really good guy. 568 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,880 Go read his books. 569 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,520 Excellent researcher. 570 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,200 And there really is something mysterious going on. 571 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,640 He really redeems himself. 572 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,360 He does redeem himself. 573 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,400 Missing 411, we don't know. 574 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,480 We just don't know. 575 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,240 And we can end off the whole series right now. 576 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Well until you guys get this very short episode next week where we just fully endorse David 577 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Pilatus. 578 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,680 I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea. 579 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,040 We are Journey to the French. 580 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,280 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 581 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,440 Bye. 582 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,840 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 583 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,880 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow 584 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,000 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 585 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,320 Also, please if possible leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 586 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,160 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 587 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,920 I bet you we are there. 588 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,360 But if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell 589 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:36,280 us that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email at journeytothefringe.com. 590 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:58,080 For now, I'll see you in the next episode.