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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, the place you get concentrated weird, injected
straight into your earholes.
We are your unlicensed injectors for the day, more generally called podcasts, so it's Taylor
and Chelsea.
And today we are going to look at a chunk of a wide topic commonly known as, Chelsea,
you ready for it?
I'm ready, I'm waiting.
Out of place artifacts, which is going to be a lot of fun.
Oh yes, I'm excited to see what we look into.
What could be out of place?
Oh, there's some things that are out of place.
I need you to know this.
It's even right on the Wikipedia page.
This shortens down to Oop Arts.
Oop Arts.
What Wikipedia page are we talking about?
Out of place artifacts.
It's just Wikipedia page.
The Oop Art Wikipedia page, of course.
So it's OOP out of place, and then artifacts is shortened to ART, Oop Art.
Okay, I'm very excited, especially for the Oop Art.
Now that there's an acronym, I love acronyms, and I love out of place things.
Are they spooky?
I wouldn't say spooky per se.
Like a child out of place is a spooky thing.
Stairs out of place are a spooky thing, in theory.
Bigfoot anywhere, kind of spooky.
But these things, I wouldn't classify them as spooky per se.
However, if I was the person that came across these things, I might go, ooh, spooky.
But I don't know.
That puts it into perspective.
Let's just keep going.
Okay, well, at this point actually, this is where I wanted to ask.
You, what you think of when you hear the term out of place artifact?
I think it's spooky.
I'm getting spooky, yeah.
It's spooky, yeah.
Because if I was to see something I didn't expect to see in my kitchen, I would think
spooky.
Like, what's it doing here?
How did it get there?
But it's an artifact.
Yeah, like mummy tomb in my kitchen.
It's not just out of place.
It's not like there's a dog in your kitchen, unless it's a fossilized dog, which I think
at that point could be an artifact.
I'm gonna see an artifact in my kitchen.
I'm gonna be like, how the hell did it get here?
What's it doing there?
It's probably cursed.
Okay.
Well, these things might be cursed.
We don't know for sure.
Come in here.
There's a tomb in my kitchen.
It shouldn't be there.
Okay.
Well, I'm gonna say generally when we're talking about out of place artifacts, they are found
around artifacts also.
Other artifacts.
Okay.
It's not.
Yeah.
Or at least they're not in a modern setting.
They're in a place where their presence, at least in certain interpretations, should
not be there either because they're too old or they're too new things like that.
I guess I'm gonna have to see where the episode goes because now I'm thinking like some things
like there's a, I mean, an artifact quick, like a painting at the bottom of the ocean.
That's super out of place to me.
How'd it get there?
Well, what if it's on the Titanic?
I mean, technically, it's out of place like that.
I guess the boat shouldn't be there.
But okay.
It shouldn't be there.
I guess this is a good place to start it off then.
Yeah.
Cause I'm very curious.
I feel like you're not talking about what I'm talking about.
And I'm just letting your mind wander, which maybe isn't the best for a Taylor driven episode.
Let's see.
I feel like it's going to be spooky, but let's see where it takes us.
So let's put ourselves in these places where these discovery happens.
So Chelsea, imagine yourself.
You're a Russian geologist, part of the Cosmopoise group.
You're just digging through 300 million year old rock looking for a meteor that.
A meteor.
Okay.
Yeah.
A meteor that gave your homeland a bump when boom, you see it.
It's a screw holding together a rock just right there in these stones that you're digging
through.
Okay.
The rock is 300 million years old.
So this well predates humans and all dinosaurs in fact, like there's not even dinosaurs on
land by the time this rock was formed.
No dinosaurs.
No dinosaurs built the screws.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm spooked.
Okay.
I'm a Russian and I'm spooked.
This happened right around Moscow in the year 1998.
And the scientists discovered what appears to be a screw or a screw shape in rock that
is 300 million years old, which they believe is an out of place artifact.
The rock or the screw?
The screw.
The rock itself is normal.
It's a good normal 300 million year old rock.
Okay.
And the screw is equally as old as the rock?
Yes.
At least we have no reason to believe at this point why it wouldn't be.
Okay.
It's natural.
And the rock is naturally 300 to 320 million years old that it was found in.
Now upon studying this, the iron atoms of the object and the silicon atoms of the rock
have melded together, suggesting that the screw is no recent addition.
I love this.
I have two different sources.
I just need to tell you this paragraph and then the next paragraph come from two different
sources.
Okay.
Experts concur that the screw was artificially constructed rather than a project of natural
processes.
It defies the laws of geology, whispering secrets of forgotten civilizations or perhaps
extraterrestrial visitors.
Of course.
The versceptics say the screw is no cosmic artifact, but rather a fossilized seed creature
known as a crinoid.
Paleontological analysis places the stone formation no matter who sees it.
They all think it's about 300 million years old.
Some just think it is naturally occurring.
This group who found it say it's a screw that they found.
Okay.
So this is a fish that looks like a screw.
Well we'll get to that part.
Okay.
The team that found it also claims that an X-ray of the stone shows that another screw
is present inside it.
However, this group has never allowed international experts to examine the object, nor have they
revealed what the screw was made of.
These are two different sources.
I generally find the ones that aren't skeptical kind of take liberties in adding to the stories
as they go.
We're going to see that as we come along.
Since this initial finding in 98, much debate has surrounded the discovery with scientists
scoffing at the suggestion that it reflects an ancient screw and suggesting that it's
much less exciting explanation.
The fossil is remains of an ancient sea creature known as a crinoid or a species of marine
animals that are believed to have evolved about 350 million years ago.
And they're characterized by a mouth on the top surface that is surrounded by feeding
arms.
And today there are around 600 crinoid species, but they were much more abundant in a diverse
hundreds of millions of years ago.
Over the years, geologists have found countless fossils representing whole crinoids or their
segments, some of which resemble screws.
As scientists have suggested that the screw-like shape seen in fossil samples may be the reverse
shape of the creature, which dissolved while the rock was shaped around it.
And this is a direct quote.
It is thought that the fossilized creature in the mysterious rock is a form of sea lily,
a type of crinoid that grew a stalk when it became an adult to tether itself to the sea
bed.
However, some say that the stalks of crinoids were typically much smaller than the screw
that was found with slightly different markings and have discarded the theory.
This is Nigel Watson, an author of a UFO investigation manual that is saying this.
Finish this statement off.
It would be great to think we could find such ancient evidence of a spaceship visiting
a Solongo, but we have to consider whether extraterrestrial spacecraft builders would
use screws in the construction of a spacecraft.
It also seems that the story is probably a hoax that is being spread on the internet
and reflects our desire to believe that extraterrestrials have visited us in the past and are still
visiting us today in what we now call UFOs.
There is also controversy surrounding the group Cosmopoise because they're a UFO study
group in Russia.
So they're not actually like geologists that found this thing.
It's a UFO study group.
That sounds nice though.
And Chelsea, I'm going to let you be the judge of this.
On top, I have found pictures of crinoid fossils and below it, I found what I think
is, and here's the thing, when you're looking at this, there's about four different pictures
that always come up of the screw, but they're four different photos of four different things.
So on the bottom is the screw they found and on the top is a crinoid fossil.
I don't buy it.
That looks, if they're going into the rock, didn't they cut into the rock or something?
I assume they were cutting into rock.
Yeah, wouldn't the fossilized, I guess it's like rock.
I don't know.
It looks different.
It looks like a screw.
I just Googled it too.
It looks very screw like.
These just have grooves.
Yeah, but Chelsea, if you Google it, is there not like four different photos that are all
saying that they're the 300 million year old screw and they all seem like they're in very
distinct rocks?
Yes.
There's many photos.
And all of them are different shaped rocks or different colored rocks.
Yeah, I just have to say this guy that's holding it on yours, his top finger is like weird looking.
He's got a stubby pointer finger.
He's very stubby looking.
It's almost like a.
I don't know.
It has two thumbs.
It does look like two thumbs, doesn't it?
They're about the same size.
I would see this, first of all, I would be spooked.
This is spooky.
This is definitely out of place.
I wouldn't expect to see it.
Therefore, spooky.
Plus he has two thumbs.
So that's also spooky.
You got to keep in mind that when you discovered this thing, you got two thumbs on one hand.
To me, it does look like a screw.
And it doesn't.
Looking at the actual fossil of the fish thing that you said.
It doesn't look the same, but the ones on the right hand side, there's a little resemblance,
but these have very defined grooves like a screw.
Why would you put a screw there?
Yeah, my theory would be what they're saying is that, sorry, I shouldn't say this is the
theory, but UFO crashes.
They got to fix it.
You're working on it, you drop a screw, you can't find it.
That's just how it works sometimes.
Yeah, sometimes it just embeds right into a rock.
And of course, UFOs, that's just how they're held together.
Yeah, or it's interdimensional, so it just slipped into the rock somehow and became one
with it.
That's got to be it.
Yeah, so that's the first one.
Okay, I mean, we figured it out, so I'm sure we can move on.
Chelsea, the next one, we're going to put ourselves in the shoes of a family of three
Californians living in 1961.
Are we all family or we're separate families?
No, we're all three people.
All three of us family.
Okay.
No, we're all three people.
Not all three of us are people in a family.
Okay.
Because these three people in a family are out there.
Okay.
God.
I need to make sure I'm picturing this correctly.
Yeah, it's real important for this story.
So we're out searching for geodes for our gem and gift shop in Olantia, California.
So, you know, we got to find rocks and geodes to survive.
That's how our family puts dinner on the table.
And I feel like we're going to find something spooky.
We don't find enough fancy looking rocks.
One third of us is not eaten tonight.
That's just how it goes.
Oh, wow.
Okay, shit.
We're out there, we're looking for rocks and what should we discover but a spark plug
encased in a geode?
So Virginia Maxie, who is one of the three says that at the time, no, you're all three
Chelsea.
Don't you understand?
Exactly.
That's me.
And the other one.
They found the rock, they cut it open.
So, you know, that's what you do with geodes to show off all the fancy sparkly stuff inside.
And they see the spark plug.
They take it to the geologist.
He says, wow, this geode is 500,000 years old.
This is clearly out of place.
Spark plugs.
You know this Chelsea, but as part of the family of three, you would.
Spark plugs have been invented within the last 500,000 years.
Okay.
Making this before spark plugs should have been invented.
Okay, right.
Is the spark plugs still working?
I don't think it is.
I don't think they tried it though.
Okay.
The item was described as a porcelain cylinder with a two millimeter shaft of bright metal
and later tests revealed the shaft to be magnetic in a letter to Desert magazine of Outdoor
Southwest.
A reader stated that a trained geologist had dated the nodule to at least 500,000 years
old.
The identity of the geologist and the means of dating were never clarified though.
And nor were the findings ever published in any known periodical.
Furthermore, there was no method for dating the concretion at the time of the artifacts
reported discovery.
Okay.
Also, geologists never named critics of the claim.
Yeah.
Critics of this claim of the spark plug being 500,000 years old have seen X-rays and artist
sketch of the artifact to analyze and they think it was a modern spark plug that got
encased in a quick forming concretion rather than a geode.
With a quote here from Pierre Stromberg and Paul Heinrich, there is little hard evidence
that the original discoverers intended to deceive anyone.
However, this just appears to be maybe 40 year old spark plug.
Okay.
So, an investigation by Pierre Stromberg and Paul Heinrich using the X-rays taken of the
subject with the help of members of the spark plug collectors of America, which I now know
exists, identified the artifact as a 1920s era champion spark plug widely used in the
Ford Model T and Model A engines.
By the way, you should know also champion is the brand name.
It's not a spark plug that won anything.
I should also add so the spark plug collectors of America, President Chad Windham and other
collectors concurred with this assessment.
The spark plug.
Yeah, that is a spark plug from the 1920s.
Yeah, but they're not.
They are not geodexperts.
So maybe that makes it spookier because...
Yeah, in fact, I feel like these are people that are likely to know less about the world
than your normal person because they've spent so much of their time just thinking about
spark plugs.
Just focusing on spark plugs.
What a hobby to pick up spark plugs.
I wonder if it's still around.
I didn't actually look into them.
I'm torn whether or not this makes it spookier or less spookier because on one hand it could
be a 1920s spark plug in a real 500,000 year old geode.
Here we get to this point.
Stromberg and Heimrich made a report that indicates the spark plug became encased in
a concretion composed of iron derived from the rusting spark plug.
Iron and steel artifacts rapidly form iron oxide concretions as they rust in the ground.
Oh, so it's not even in the air?
It's likely just the fact that it is a spark plug that made it look like it grew a geode
or a rock formation around it a lot faster than say something that should have been 500,000
years.
Okay, I'm not gonna lie.
That was very disappointing.
Yeah, and then also I should say this, on April 12, 2018, Stromberg was contacted by
the family of one of the co-discoverers of the artifact and offered an opportunity to
inspect the artifact physically.
Stromberg accepted and also arranged for the artifact to be inspected by a geologist from
the University of Washington Earth and Space Science Department.
The inspection confirmed the previous conclusion that the artifact was a 1920s Eris Champion
spark plug.
It has been claimed to have fossil shells on the surface dating back to 500,000 years
ago, but when the geologist looked at it, there was absolutely no evidence of this.
This raises the question of the qualifications and competence of the original geologist in
1961 or even if he existed.
This one not so spooky.
I do have some spooky news for you though.
Sparkplugs of America is still around.
Club history here.
It's a non-for-profit international organization that was founded in 1975 by Bill Bond of Ann
Arbor, Michigan.
The club is dedicated to the promotion of spark plug collecting.
The research and preservation of spark plug history, the exchange of information in spark
plugs and fostering fellowship among club members worldwide.
Become a member.
You gotta think.
That's gotta be a cheap audit you get into, right?
I don't see spark plugs costing you too much.
I mean they have a group photo here.
It's not looking like a club I want to be a part of.
For the low cost of $20 and up, you could become a digital only membership member of
the spark plug of America membership club.
And you're going to drastically bring down the average age of the SPCA.
And I just realized it's the SPCA.
SPCOA.
Spark plug something.
They probably had some sort of lawsuit they had to go through for that one.
Anyhow check them out.
Yeah.
Smoky.
I wasn't ready for that today.
We're learning so much.
Chelsea, this next one, I've always heard about this one.
I think this is a fun one.
Now put yourself into this mindset.
Imagine you're a Chinese writer and or maybe an archaeologist.
Let's face it, Mandarin is difficult for everyone to understand including us, the Chinese writer
and or archaeologist Bai Yun.
We're out exploring Chai Dam basin near the town of Dillinga in Qinghai province, China.
And in an escarpment called Mount Baigong, we spot what seems to be a carved triangular
cave opening near a saltwater lake called Tosan Lake.
Rangle Cave?
Imagine that the cave was human made, we go inside and see what appears to be an array
of metal pipes rising from the floor and embedded in the walls.
And an area that's not inhabited.
Uh oh.
Time to get out of there.
It's spooky.
This is happening in 96 I believe.
I didn't write the date down here but I think it comes up later.
He observed more pipes protruding from the surface of the hill outside as well as along
the shores of the lake and he sent samples of the pipe material to a government laboratory
for testing.
The laboratory sends back a report saying that 92% of the materials consisted of such
common minerals as ferric oxide, silicon dioxide and calcium oxide, but that 8% of it was
unknown composition.
Does this mean to me as a Mandarin speaking writer?
I think I am.
And or archaeologist.
That it's a pipe?
It is a pipe.
It was confirmed.
But also unknown, we don't know what it was.
There's things in there that would make you think like calcium oxide might make you think
that it either was a pipe or it had water moving through it that had calcium in it.
I also think calcium oxide can be a rock.
I don't know.
Calcium oxide.
We don't need to know too much about that.
But yeah we think they're water pipes.
And thermal luminescence testing in 2001 established that the pipes long predate human inhabitation
in the area and some even suggesting that these are dated to 150,000 years ago.
Which I don't know if you know Chelsea, but predates human civilization.
Not humans, but human civilization.
I'm not still in the cave am I?
No at this point we have left the cave.
Okay good.
And some are strongly suggesting that these pipes are evidence of presence of a previous
civilization or even extraterrestrial civilization in the area.
And this formation comes to the attention of westerners through an article that gets
published in China's Xinhua news agency describing a planned scientific investigation of the
phenomenon and it specifically mentions this article, an extraterrestrial origin theory.
So people get excited about this.
Logically.
Yeah.
You've probably heard this before Chelsea.
It's called the bygone pipes.
This is what we're talking about.
I don't know if I have.
It sounds like something that's probably been on ancient aliens.
It's definitely been on ancient aliens at one point.
These geologists ended up going back in 2001 to visit and they made further observations.
They found that the pipes varied widely in size and shape.
They were largely composed of carbon and pyrite cement all naturally occurring as a result
of geological processes.
Other explanations for the pipes were proposed.
One theory was that the plateau of Tibet left fissures while it was rising up in hard sandstone
which magma was forced through and the chemical effects of subsequent geological processes
resulted in the appearance of rusty iron.
However, there's no evidence of ancient volcanoes in the area and this theory was discounted.
Another more promising explanation suggested that these same fissures filled with iron-rich
sediment during flooding of the area and the sediment hardened into pipe-like structures
of iron pyrite.
This theory comported with the area's geological past.
However, the scientific consensus as reported in Shinmen Weekly in 2003 is that the pipes
are actually pipes.
Just kidding.
They actually fossilized tree roots.
Two American researchers, Joan Mosa and VA Shoemaker, studied similar cylindrical structures
found in soils in southern Louisiana and included in an article published in 1993 that
processes of petogenesis and diogenesis had resulted in mineral elements forming around
tree roots and the interior of which rotted away leaving hollow pipe-like cylinders.
The Chai Dam basin had been a subtropical area with plentiful vegetation and in earlier
age, an atomic emission spectroscopy revealed organic plant material within the material
making up the pipes.
Therefore, Chinese scientists accepted this as the most probable theory to account for
the bygone pipes.
However, you know, that's not exciting.
So we're just going to say they're pipes.
I'm just looking at a picture.
They're cool looking.
They are very cool looking.
I don't know that I would have said that it was pipes though.
If I saw it, I'd be like, wow, those rocks look cool.
To be fair, I wouldn't know what 150,000 year old pipes look like.
I'm not a plumber nor an archeological plumber.
Well, that's true.
Nor did pipes exist 150,000 years ago.
So we're going to have to take some imaginative liberty beats.
I mean, that's me, but I'm also not speaking as the Mandarin speaking archeologist Slash
Rator right now.
Yeah.
And or.
So if I was speaking is him.
It's clear that I reason I say that is because there's different stories out there and they
all kind of change what they describe him as some describe him as an archeologist, some
describe him as a writer.
It's not consistent, nor could I find the original source.
So I am both.
Yes, I would think they were pipes.
Definitely.
It looks.
I use got an eye for pipes.
Suspicious pipes, a little bit spooky.
But as Chelsea, it looks suspiciously like rocks.
Chelsea from here, we're going to move on to another place with a great wall that, of
course, being Texas.
We are going in Texas.
We are a farmer in Rockwall County, Texas.
I thought we were going to the border.
You know what?
We're not that far away, actually.
And this they have so many great walls.
Yeah.
I'm wondering if there was some sort of ancient immigration.
They were trying to stop.
Anyhow, 1852.
This is now four years.
It's been a part of the States.
And to celebrate this, we decide to dig a well so our family doesn't die.
Okay.
Because we're just basically farmers living off the land.
What's my name again?
Jed Clamp.
No idea what our name is this time around.
You can look at that.
We need to dig a well.
Yeah.
Well, while we're out shooting for deer, we do not find oil.
Probably very likely it's Texas pre oil boom.
Instead, we discovered ancient brick wall, estimated to be anywhere from 200,000 to
100,000 years old and seven stories high and 20 miles long.
Wow.
Buried, obviously.
Yeah.
And Chelsea, you can take a look at these rock wall in Texas.
I did not bring anything up.
Well, there's also a city called Rockwall, Texas.
So rock, coincidentally, it's where the rock wall is.
You know what?
I can share my screen.
Probably easier.
Yeah.
Because this is not bringing anything.
It does not have anything.
Chelsea, you're digging your well and this is what comes up.
Oh, yike.
Spooky.
This is freaking me out.
Here is a bit of a better picture of it.
I don't think this is actually one of them.
I can't remember.
This came from an article I was reading.
This one, I think they built that one.
To keep out the more modern immigrants.
Just kidding.
I think it's to look nice.
Okay.
I have it.
It came up now.
Okay.
I don't know why I had problems.
I did some digging and there's not like a Wikipedia article on this one, but there's
a really good Dallas news has a really good review of this.
What's it doing there?
Okay.
This one's good.
Yeah.
This one's a creepy one.
This one really looks like not only are there layers to the rocks, but there's segmented
pieces.
Almost like it is a rock wall made of bricks that you would have to put together.
Correct?
Yeah.
It looks, it's a wall.
Yeah.
And again, it's 20 miles long and seven stories tall, which is what?
About 60 feet?
I don't know.
Americans use weird measurements whenever they feel like it.
I have no idea how many football fields long that is nor how many months we could measure
it in.
So I'm lost.
Okay, this is a legit wall.
I'm curious to learn more.
I'm going to read a bit for you from the Dallas news article on this topic.
At the Rockwell County Historical Foundation Museum, curator Carolyn Holt said many artifacts
and clues point to a possible ancient settlement.
And Chelsea, I just want to make sure that we're all on the same page for this too.
At this point, at the earliest, humans got to North America 30,000 years ago.
They were not here between 200 and 400,000 years ago when this wall came into existence.
What?
Yeah.
It's getting spooky.
Okay.
There's no denying this wall.
It's a wall.
In some of the museum's collections, photos depict corners of the alleged spirit city
that signify that people may have carved it out.
Don Geisman, a professor emeritus of geology at the University of Texas, Dallas, tested
a set of rocks for an episode of the History Channel's America Unearthed in 2012.
Geisman is a geophysicist, meaning he studies the magnetic properties of rocks.
Geisman said the rock formation is called a sandstone dike, which is created when sediment
and minerals build up into fractures of earth.
Rocks formed in dikes are almost always younger than the surrounding rock, and sometimes these
dikes are formed after an earthquake or when faults occur that force liquefied materials
upwards.
In the case of rockwalls, rockwall, the sandstone is made of quartz that has been cemented by
additional quartz, which makes it extremely hard in contrast to the surrounding rock,
as Geisman said.
While sandstone dikes are not uncommon, Geisman said he thought rockwall's rock formation
was unusual when he saw it for the first time.
Not only were the sandstone dikes thin, but they could also be traced for long distances,
which is an unusual characteristic for dikes.
He also noted that the pattern of the dikes were similar to that of bricks.
As a direct quote from him, the fractured pattern in these features is quite impressive.
It's not irregular in character, and I think that's a big factor resulting in the human
thought mechanism that took place when these features were discovered.
Rocks have the ability to permanently hold the earth's magnetic orientation when they
are formed.
Geisman tested the magnetism in the rock and found that the magnetism of the rocks,
or the time in which they were formed, were the same and concluded that the formation
is natural.
Just another quote here to finish up his part.
What we found was that by and large, the magnetization in sandstone dikes is pretty uniform in direction.
Just because if you're putting bricks on a wall, it's going to be random which direction
you put them in.
It's not going to be like you rotate them and you're going to pull them in the exact
direction you put them in until you put it down.
Because every single one of these pieces of sandstone has the exact same direction of
magnetization, it's safe to say that they all came into being at the same time.
Geisman is sure that the rocks are natural, but also said that it's important for scientists
to keep an open mind about how the formation has been used.
Russo agrees and has said he believes that a prior civilization may have manipulated
the rock formation to fit their own needs, perhaps in the form of a temple or a fortress.
Russo said he has traveled across the country to various states to see if similar formations
exist with no luck.
Russo said there may not be a way to find out how the rocks were formed and what they
may have been used for, but it's also part of the rock walls appeal.
That's the end of that article, or at least the part I'm going to be citing.
In any event, this thing is truly weird and just because it exists naturally doesn't
mean that somebody wasn't using it.
That end part I think is really cool.
Well, I can't say I'm not disappointed by that explanation, because it looks like a
wall.
It does, and there are people that believe it is an out of place artifact that is in
fact a wall from an ancient civilization.
Yeah.
However, you also have to keep in mind if it is seven stories tall, we haven't been
building for seven stories for that long as a civilization.
No, I hate the logical explanation, but I'll accept it.
Michelle C, this brings us to our last out of place artifact.
Who am I?
This time, you are a British Egyptologist.
It is 1936.
You got a good feeling about the new government coming into Germany to turn it around, and
our name is Walter Brian Emery.
Okay, I seem like I'm going to get cursed.
You know what?
I never looked into this guy.
Let's just say he ends up getting cursed at some point, but not now.
Yeah, I feel like...
Right now we are young, we are limber maybe, and we are just looking for that curse.
Yeah, I don't feel cursed yet.
Yes.
I feel like it's coming though.
Much like how naval officers always end up with venereal disease in this day, we are
going to end up cursed.
We don't know when or how, we just accept that it's going to happen.
Okay, what are we up to as Walter?
We go into a mastabatune, which is basically it's a freestanding tomb in the middle of
the desert, usually made out of stones.
It kind of has a pyramid shape to it, but they're not big.
This one in particular, it has inside it a mummy that we end up calling Sabu, and there
are seven chambers inside where the mummy named Sabu is.
Room E, there's a disc found in a central location right next to the skeleton, which
was originally buried in a wooden coffin.
This object was broken in several fragments and later gets restored.
Chelsea, I want you to look up S-A-B-U Sabu disc so you can see what was found.
Is that a Frisbee?
We will get to that.
Is that a hubcap?
Is it a fan?
And this is actually the fun thing about this one.
I'm just going to say it outright.
We don't know what it is.
All we know is it's called the Sabu disc and it's weird.
Best guess that they have at the time is it's a holder for oil.
It's basically what the guess is at this time.
Okay, none of my guesses were that.
The artifact is in the shape of a shallow bowl with a diameter of 24 inches or 61 centimeters
at a maximum height of 10.6 centimeters or 4.2 inches.
There is a central hole with a diameter of about 8 centimeters or 3 inches, which is
fitted with a socket whose height corresponds approximately to the depth of the bowl.
From the slightly raised outer edge, three wings or lobes are folded inwards towards
the central hole with the outer edge remaining in the form of narrow arches that connect
the non-folded parts with each other.
When viewed from above, it resembles a steering wheel with three very wide spokes.
And due to its design, the disc is considered a unique piece in Egyptology.
Nothing like this has ever been found again.
It doesn't look consistent with other artifacts.
No, and Chubby.
As if it's out of place.
Yeah, this one too.
While looking at it, I need you to keep in mind it's made of stone.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I guess logically it doesn't look like it's made of metal.
Oh, it looks like it's made of metal and they did have metal at the time, but this one in
particular is made of stone, late to be specific.
Emory, the character that we are at this time who is still afresh without the curse we assume,
interpreted the artifact as a vessel placed on a stand because of the central hole.
But no remains of any stand were found.
It should be known, however, that this mastaba tomb was not untouched with Emory discovered
it, but like many other ancient Egyptian tombs, it had been looted by grave robbers centuries
before.
Since the production of a metal object shaped like the sabu disc would be easy, but very
complex if it were made from easily splintered rock, it has been assumed that this may have
been an imitation of a metal object.
Early reports of the discovery dubbed the find a mysterious vessel and speculated that it
may have been a gigantic lamp.
That's the best guess scientists have.
In popular and unscientific publications, an English engineer named William Kay is quoted
as having further developed this hypothesis.
According to him, the bowl was used as a three flame oil lamp during ritual activities and
was placed on a holder for this purpose.
Another hypothesis stated that the bowl could only have served as a decorative purpose because
of its fragility.
In Egyptology, apart from the brief reports mentioned, there was no extensive discussion
of the disc and its function.
Thumbed ancient astronaut Fringe theorists believe that the object is an out of place
artifact.
And according to the theory, the significance of the disc can be recognized besides its
unique form by the fact that it is placed in the center of the burial chamber and not
Saabu's remains.
In addition, its appearance resembles the symbol of radioactivity and Zachariah Stitchin
believes it is a flywheel or flywheel storage.
What's a flywheel?
A flywheel is basically a gear that pulls.
If you go to the Wikipedia page for a flywheel, it's basically the gear that pulls from the
energy source.
Okay.
I mean, Zachariah Stitchin's never been.
No.
I'm the right guy.
No, I'm thinking of.
There's a lot of names that could come up, but another one's going to come up later.
The one with the heavy accent.
Yeah, you can wait.
We'll see.
Here that name later.
Okay.
The Airbus Research Center made copies of this disc using a 3D printer to examine the
physical properties of it.
And the copies had aerodynamic properties.
And one thing that they said it could serve as is a Frisbee.
I said that.
That's as good as mine.
I think it's a Frisbee too.
I think it was a fancy person's Frisbee that they wanted to take with them to the after
life.
Yeah, who wouldn't if you had a favorite Frisbee?
But it should be noted due to the rotational symmetry, use as a propeller or turbine would
be impossible because it would have no force on the air around it.
So it wasn't like it was the propeller on an airplane.
It was also shown that it was possible to use the disc as an oil lat.
So that is still a possibility.
I mean, you could use a Frisbee as a candle holder.
I mean, technically.
Yeah, pretty much anything that can hold something can be a candle.
Yes, exactly.
It should be noted, Chelsea, if you want to see a copy of this thing, you can find it
at Youngfrau Park, which was founded by Eric Vondanakin.
Ah, that's the name.
Yes.
Youngfrau Park.
Why did he found a park?
Don't you remember he has like a Disneyland of ancient astronaut theory stuff?
Are you serious?
And I'm pretty sure it's in Switzerland.
Yeah, we might have to do an episode on that.
We might just have to go there.
Eric Vondanakin Park.
Mysteries of the world at Youngfrau Park.
Where is this?
I'm pretty sure it's in Switzerland.
Interlaken Switzerland.
I was so close to this.
I haven't even been there.
We need to do a field trip.
You know what?
I think this should just open up an episode that we'll be doing.
Likely, it'll be tied in with Eric Vondanakin when we do him.
There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven pavilions, and there's NASCA, CONTACT, MAGA
STONES, Maya, ORIENT, VIMANA, and CHALLENGE.
Those are the pavilions.
But yeah, I thought it would be good to end off on this one just because I do think it
is of the things I talked about, the most out of place artifact.
It's the only one like it that's ever been found and they're like, yeah, I don't know.
It's weird.
You can't really explain it though.
They're like, okay, this is probably, we think it's a fris, I think it's a frisbee.
But nobody will know for sure.
Even then, I don't know.
Technology doesn't seem that out of place, nor does it seem like it could do something
technologically wise, other than be a frigging sweet frisbee.
Yeah, I can't believe I've never known about this ancient alien Disneyland.
Now that you've shown me this, I just can't believe it.
I could have sworn you knew about that.
But anyhow, Chelsea, those are the out of place artifacts that I wanted to talk about
today.
There's way more out there.
We can do more episodes on this.
You should be noted that generally speaking, when these come up, the actual out of place
part is more speculation on some parties where there's another explanation that's more widely
accepted.
There are some, however, like the Sabu disc, which doesn't have a great explanation.
It is just, we haven't found anything else like it.
So it does seem out of place.
Yeah.
Also, there's forgeries out there, but that's, we're just keeping this on.
Not in the saddest.
In that case, it could show up literally anywhere on earth and it would be out of place.
There's a toll existence as a lie.
There's a water park at this place.
Okay, Chelsea, anything you want to add to this episode before you go plan your vacation?
You can have birthday parties there too.
Okay.
So I know where I'm having my next birthday party.
No, you're right.
It wasn't as spooky as I thought it was going to be.
It was spooky in that cave for a few minutes, but then I got out and it was fine.
But pretty logical explanations of everything.
And I hate that, but I already said how much I hate that.
If you don't like the explanation, you don't have to like or believe it.
It's just the very likely logical explanation in every situation.
I hate that, but that's where we are with things because there's always a logical one
that we have come to with most episodes.
And logically speaking, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
We are a journey to the fringe.
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.
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