1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,560 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:18,820 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, the place you get concentrated weird, injected 3 00:00:18,820 --> 00:00:20,660 straight into your earholes. 4 00:00:20,660 --> 00:00:25,120 We are your unlicensed injectors for the day, more generally called podcasts, so it's Taylor 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,120 and Chelsea. 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:32,680 And today we are going to look at a chunk of a wide topic commonly known as, Chelsea, 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,680 you ready for it? 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,320 I'm ready, I'm waiting. 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Out of place artifacts, which is going to be a lot of fun. 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,320 Oh yes, I'm excited to see what we look into. 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,840 What could be out of place? 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Oh, there's some things that are out of place. 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,320 I need you to know this. 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,720 It's even right on the Wikipedia page. 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,440 This shortens down to Oop Arts. 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,440 Oop Arts. 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,640 What Wikipedia page are we talking about? 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Out of place artifacts. 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,520 It's just Wikipedia page. 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,840 The Oop Art Wikipedia page, of course. 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:09,040 So it's OOP out of place, and then artifacts is shortened to ART, Oop Art. 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Okay, I'm very excited, especially for the Oop Art. 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,200 Now that there's an acronym, I love acronyms, and I love out of place things. 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,200 Are they spooky? 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,800 I wouldn't say spooky per se. 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,160 Like a child out of place is a spooky thing. 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,360 Stairs out of place are a spooky thing, in theory. 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Bigfoot anywhere, kind of spooky. 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,360 But these things, I wouldn't classify them as spooky per se. 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,680 However, if I was the person that came across these things, I might go, ooh, spooky. 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,520 But I don't know. 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:45,920 That puts it into perspective. 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,920 Let's just keep going. 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Okay, well, at this point actually, this is where I wanted to ask. 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,680 You, what you think of when you hear the term out of place artifact? 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,680 I think it's spooky. 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,680 I'm getting spooky, yeah. 38 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,400 It's spooky, yeah. 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Because if I was to see something I didn't expect to see in my kitchen, I would think 40 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,480 spooky. 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,640 Like, what's it doing here? 42 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:09,840 How did it get there? 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,240 But it's an artifact. 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Yeah, like mummy tomb in my kitchen. 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,840 It's not just out of place. 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,680 It's not like there's a dog in your kitchen, unless it's a fossilized dog, which I think 47 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,520 at that point could be an artifact. 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,040 I'm gonna see an artifact in my kitchen. 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,480 I'm gonna be like, how the hell did it get here? 50 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,720 What's it doing there? 51 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,720 It's probably cursed. 52 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:27,720 Okay. 53 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Well, these things might be cursed. 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,840 We don't know for sure. 55 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Come in here. 56 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,520 There's a tomb in my kitchen. 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,840 It shouldn't be there. 58 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Okay. 59 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,600 Well, I'm gonna say generally when we're talking about out of place artifacts, they are found 60 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,600 around artifacts also. 61 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Other artifacts. 62 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Okay. 63 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,600 It's not. 64 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,600 Yeah. 65 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Or at least they're not in a modern setting. 66 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,000 They're in a place where their presence, at least in certain interpretations, should 67 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,640 not be there either because they're too old or they're too new things like that. 68 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:04,840 I guess I'm gonna have to see where the episode goes because now I'm thinking like some things 69 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:10,800 like there's a, I mean, an artifact quick, like a painting at the bottom of the ocean. 70 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,600 That's super out of place to me. 71 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,840 How'd it get there? 72 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,360 Well, what if it's on the Titanic? 73 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,000 I mean, technically, it's out of place like that. 74 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,640 I guess the boat shouldn't be there. 75 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,800 But okay. 76 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,040 It shouldn't be there. 77 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,560 I guess this is a good place to start it off then. 78 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Yeah. 79 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,560 Cause I'm very curious. 80 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,080 I feel like you're not talking about what I'm talking about. 81 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:40,600 And I'm just letting your mind wander, which maybe isn't the best for a Taylor driven episode. 82 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Let's see. 83 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,200 I feel like it's going to be spooky, but let's see where it takes us. 84 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,760 So let's put ourselves in these places where these discovery happens. 85 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,440 So Chelsea, imagine yourself. 86 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,520 You're a Russian geologist, part of the Cosmopoise group. 87 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,680 You're just digging through 300 million year old rock looking for a meteor that. 88 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,680 A meteor. 89 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Okay. 90 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Yeah. 91 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,400 A meteor that gave your homeland a bump when boom, you see it. 92 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,800 It's a screw holding together a rock just right there in these stones that you're digging 93 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,800 through. 94 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Okay. 95 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,240 The rock is 300 million years old. 96 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,800 So this well predates humans and all dinosaurs in fact, like there's not even dinosaurs on 97 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 land by the time this rock was formed. 98 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,440 No dinosaurs. 99 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,400 No dinosaurs built the screws. 100 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,400 Yeah. 101 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Okay. 102 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,400 I'm spooked. 103 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Okay. 104 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,360 I'm a Russian and I'm spooked. 105 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,320 This happened right around Moscow in the year 1998. 106 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:41,200 And the scientists discovered what appears to be a screw or a screw shape in rock that 107 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,120 is 300 million years old, which they believe is an out of place artifact. 108 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,600 The rock or the screw? 109 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,600 The screw. 110 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,800 The rock itself is normal. 111 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,680 It's a good normal 300 million year old rock. 112 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,680 Okay. 113 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,760 And the screw is equally as old as the rock? 114 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,760 Yes. 115 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,200 At least we have no reason to believe at this point why it wouldn't be. 116 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Okay. 117 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,200 It's natural. 118 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,520 And the rock is naturally 300 to 320 million years old that it was found in. 119 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,400 Now upon studying this, the iron atoms of the object and the silicon atoms of the rock 120 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,120 have melded together, suggesting that the screw is no recent addition. 121 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,040 I love this. 122 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,840 I have two different sources. 123 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:23,080 I just need to tell you this paragraph and then the next paragraph come from two different 124 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,080 sources. 125 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Okay. 126 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,360 Experts concur that the screw was artificially constructed rather than a project of natural 127 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,360 processes. 128 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,760 It defies the laws of geology, whispering secrets of forgotten civilizations or perhaps 129 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,240 extraterrestrial visitors. 130 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,240 Of course. 131 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,440 The versceptics say the screw is no cosmic artifact, but rather a fossilized seed creature 132 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:43,840 known as a crinoid. 133 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:48,600 Paleontological analysis places the stone formation no matter who sees it. 134 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,840 They all think it's about 300 million years old. 135 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:52,960 Some just think it is naturally occurring. 136 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,040 This group who found it say it's a screw that they found. 137 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,040 Okay. 138 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,520 So this is a fish that looks like a screw. 139 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Well we'll get to that part. 140 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,160 Okay. 141 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,840 The team that found it also claims that an X-ray of the stone shows that another screw 142 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:08,360 is present inside it. 143 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,720 However, this group has never allowed international experts to examine the object, nor have they 144 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,280 revealed what the screw was made of. 145 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:16,920 These are two different sources. 146 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,760 I generally find the ones that aren't skeptical kind of take liberties in adding to the stories 147 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,760 as they go. 148 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,160 We're going to see that as we come along. 149 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Since this initial finding in 98, much debate has surrounded the discovery with scientists 150 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,080 scoffing at the suggestion that it reflects an ancient screw and suggesting that it's 151 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,880 much less exciting explanation. 152 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,840 The fossil is remains of an ancient sea creature known as a crinoid or a species of marine 153 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,640 animals that are believed to have evolved about 350 million years ago. 154 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,800 And they're characterized by a mouth on the top surface that is surrounded by feeding 155 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:48,800 arms. 156 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,320 And today there are around 600 crinoid species, but they were much more abundant in a diverse 157 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,080 hundreds of millions of years ago. 158 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,920 Over the years, geologists have found countless fossils representing whole crinoids or their 159 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,480 segments, some of which resemble screws. 160 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,680 As scientists have suggested that the screw-like shape seen in fossil samples may be the reverse 161 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,560 shape of the creature, which dissolved while the rock was shaped around it. 162 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,160 And this is a direct quote. 163 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,440 It is thought that the fossilized creature in the mysterious rock is a form of sea lily, 164 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,640 a type of crinoid that grew a stalk when it became an adult to tether itself to the sea 165 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,640 bed. 166 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,200 However, some say that the stalks of crinoids were typically much smaller than the screw 167 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,760 that was found with slightly different markings and have discarded the theory. 168 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:38,680 This is Nigel Watson, an author of a UFO investigation manual that is saying this. 169 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Finish this statement off. 170 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,640 It would be great to think we could find such ancient evidence of a spaceship visiting 171 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,560 a Solongo, but we have to consider whether extraterrestrial spacecraft builders would 172 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,000 use screws in the construction of a spacecraft. 173 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,840 It also seems that the story is probably a hoax that is being spread on the internet 174 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,920 and reflects our desire to believe that extraterrestrials have visited us in the past and are still 175 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,080 visiting us today in what we now call UFOs. 176 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:08,320 There is also controversy surrounding the group Cosmopoise because they're a UFO study 177 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,720 group in Russia. 178 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,800 So they're not actually like geologists that found this thing. 179 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,280 It's a UFO study group. 180 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,080 That sounds nice though. 181 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,320 And Chelsea, I'm going to let you be the judge of this. 182 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:24,800 On top, I have found pictures of crinoid fossils and below it, I found what I think 183 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,840 is, and here's the thing, when you're looking at this, there's about four different pictures 184 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,400 that always come up of the screw, but they're four different photos of four different things. 185 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:40,600 So on the bottom is the screw they found and on the top is a crinoid fossil. 186 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,720 I don't buy it. 187 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,440 That looks, if they're going into the rock, didn't they cut into the rock or something? 188 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,120 I assume they were cutting into rock. 189 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,440 Yeah, wouldn't the fossilized, I guess it's like rock. 190 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,440 I don't know. 191 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,440 It looks different. 192 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,440 It looks like a screw. 193 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,440 I just Googled it too. 194 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,280 It looks very screw like. 195 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,280 These just have grooves. 196 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,880 Yeah, but Chelsea, if you Google it, is there not like four different photos that are all 197 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,480 saying that they're the 300 million year old screw and they all seem like they're in very 198 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,480 distinct rocks? 199 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Yes. 200 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,480 There's many photos. 201 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,360 And all of them are different shaped rocks or different colored rocks. 202 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Yeah, I just have to say this guy that's holding it on yours, his top finger is like weird looking. 203 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,000 He's got a stubby pointer finger. 204 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 He's very stubby looking. 205 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 It's almost like a. 206 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I don't know. 207 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 It has two thumbs. 208 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 It does look like two thumbs, doesn't it? 209 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,480 They're about the same size. 210 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 I would see this, first of all, I would be spooked. 211 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,360 This is spooky. 212 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:37,920 This is definitely out of place. 213 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,760 I wouldn't expect to see it. 214 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,640 Therefore, spooky. 215 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Plus he has two thumbs. 216 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:43,800 So that's also spooky. 217 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:51,400 You got to keep in mind that when you discovered this thing, you got two thumbs on one hand. 218 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,760 To me, it does look like a screw. 219 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,280 And it doesn't. 220 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,880 Looking at the actual fossil of the fish thing that you said. 221 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,840 It doesn't look the same, but the ones on the right hand side, there's a little resemblance, 222 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,800 but these have very defined grooves like a screw. 223 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Why would you put a screw there? 224 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Yeah, my theory would be what they're saying is that, sorry, I shouldn't say this is the 225 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,080 theory, but UFO crashes. 226 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,080 They got to fix it. 227 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,920 You're working on it, you drop a screw, you can't find it. 228 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,600 That's just how it works sometimes. 229 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Yeah, sometimes it just embeds right into a rock. 230 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,600 And of course, UFOs, that's just how they're held together. 231 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Yeah, or it's interdimensional, so it just slipped into the rock somehow and became one 232 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,600 with it. 233 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,600 That's got to be it. 234 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,360 Yeah, so that's the first one. 235 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,560 Okay, I mean, we figured it out, so I'm sure we can move on. 236 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:51,920 Chelsea, the next one, we're going to put ourselves in the shoes of a family of three 237 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Californians living in 1961. 238 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,480 Are we all family or we're separate families? 239 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,120 No, we're all three people. 240 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,120 All three of us family. 241 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Okay. 242 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,720 No, we're all three people. 243 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,920 Not all three of us are people in a family. 244 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:05,920 Okay. 245 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Because these three people in a family are out there. 246 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,080 Okay. 247 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,080 God. 248 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,400 I need to make sure I'm picturing this correctly. 249 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Yeah, it's real important for this story. 250 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,600 So we're out searching for geodes for our gem and gift shop in Olantia, California. 251 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,000 So, you know, we got to find rocks and geodes to survive. 252 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,040 That's how our family puts dinner on the table. 253 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,280 And I feel like we're going to find something spooky. 254 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,000 We don't find enough fancy looking rocks. 255 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,960 One third of us is not eaten tonight. 256 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,960 That's just how it goes. 257 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,960 Oh, wow. 258 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,960 Okay, shit. 259 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,920 We're out there, we're looking for rocks and what should we discover but a spark plug 260 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,720 encased in a geode? 261 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:51,440 So Virginia Maxie, who is one of the three says that at the time, no, you're all three 262 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,440 Chelsea. 263 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,440 Don't you understand? 264 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,440 Exactly. 265 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,440 That's me. 266 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,200 And the other one. 267 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,840 They found the rock, they cut it open. 268 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,320 So, you know, that's what you do with geodes to show off all the fancy sparkly stuff inside. 269 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,320 And they see the spark plug. 270 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,520 They take it to the geologist. 271 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,280 He says, wow, this geode is 500,000 years old. 272 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,000 This is clearly out of place. 273 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Spark plugs. 274 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,200 You know this Chelsea, but as part of the family of three, you would. 275 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,920 Spark plugs have been invented within the last 500,000 years. 276 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Okay. 277 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Making this before spark plugs should have been invented. 278 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Okay, right. 279 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Is the spark plugs still working? 280 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,000 I don't think it is. 281 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,640 I don't think they tried it though. 282 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:31,640 Okay. 283 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,080 The item was described as a porcelain cylinder with a two millimeter shaft of bright metal 284 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,880 and later tests revealed the shaft to be magnetic in a letter to Desert magazine of Outdoor 285 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:41,880 Southwest. 286 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,200 A reader stated that a trained geologist had dated the nodule to at least 500,000 years 287 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,200 old. 288 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,200 The identity of the geologist and the means of dating were never clarified though. 289 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,320 And nor were the findings ever published in any known periodical. 290 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,960 Furthermore, there was no method for dating the concretion at the time of the artifacts 291 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,360 reported discovery. 292 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Okay. 293 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Also, geologists never named critics of the claim. 294 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Yeah. 295 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Critics of this claim of the spark plug being 500,000 years old have seen X-rays and artist 296 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,400 sketch of the artifact to analyze and they think it was a modern spark plug that got 297 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,880 encased in a quick forming concretion rather than a geode. 298 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,960 With a quote here from Pierre Stromberg and Paul Heinrich, there is little hard evidence 299 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,920 that the original discoverers intended to deceive anyone. 300 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,720 However, this just appears to be maybe 40 year old spark plug. 301 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,720 Okay. 302 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,360 So, an investigation by Pierre Stromberg and Paul Heinrich using the X-rays taken of the 303 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,440 subject with the help of members of the spark plug collectors of America, which I now know 304 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:53,640 exists, identified the artifact as a 1920s era champion spark plug widely used in the 305 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Ford Model T and Model A engines. 306 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,400 By the way, you should know also champion is the brand name. 307 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,880 It's not a spark plug that won anything. 308 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,640 I should also add so the spark plug collectors of America, President Chad Windham and other 309 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,200 collectors concurred with this assessment. 310 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,200 The spark plug. 311 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,440 Yeah, that is a spark plug from the 1920s. 312 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,840 Yeah, but they're not. 313 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,120 They are not geodexperts. 314 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,760 So maybe that makes it spookier because... 315 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Yeah, in fact, I feel like these are people that are likely to know less about the world 316 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,280 than your normal person because they've spent so much of their time just thinking about 317 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,280 spark plugs. 318 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,280 Just focusing on spark plugs. 319 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,080 What a hobby to pick up spark plugs. 320 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,000 I wonder if it's still around. 321 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,040 I didn't actually look into them. 322 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:42,040 I'm torn whether or not this makes it spookier or less spookier because on one hand it could 323 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:47,040 be a 1920s spark plug in a real 500,000 year old geode. 324 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,280 Here we get to this point. 325 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Stromberg and Heimrich made a report that indicates the spark plug became encased in 326 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,920 a concretion composed of iron derived from the rusting spark plug. 327 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,280 Iron and steel artifacts rapidly form iron oxide concretions as they rust in the ground. 328 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,440 Oh, so it's not even in the air? 329 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,560 It's likely just the fact that it is a spark plug that made it look like it grew a geode 330 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:16,960 or a rock formation around it a lot faster than say something that should have been 500,000 331 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:17,960 years. 332 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,480 Okay, I'm not gonna lie. 333 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,920 That was very disappointing. 334 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:26,760 Yeah, and then also I should say this, on April 12, 2018, Stromberg was contacted by 335 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,000 the family of one of the co-discoverers of the artifact and offered an opportunity to 336 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,560 inspect the artifact physically. 337 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Stromberg accepted and also arranged for the artifact to be inspected by a geologist from 338 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,120 the University of Washington Earth and Space Science Department. 339 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,480 The inspection confirmed the previous conclusion that the artifact was a 1920s Eris Champion 340 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,480 spark plug. 341 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,640 It has been claimed to have fossil shells on the surface dating back to 500,000 years 342 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,440 ago, but when the geologist looked at it, there was absolutely no evidence of this. 343 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,680 This raises the question of the qualifications and competence of the original geologist in 344 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,240 1961 or even if he existed. 345 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,560 This one not so spooky. 346 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,640 I do have some spooky news for you though. 347 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Sparkplugs of America is still around. 348 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Club history here. 349 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:21,120 It's a non-for-profit international organization that was founded in 1975 by Bill Bond of Ann 350 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Arbor, Michigan. 351 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,920 The club is dedicated to the promotion of spark plug collecting. 352 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,000 The research and preservation of spark plug history, the exchange of information in spark 353 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,920 plugs and fostering fellowship among club members worldwide. 354 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:37,920 Become a member. 355 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,920 You gotta think. 356 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,280 That's gotta be a cheap audit you get into, right? 357 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,760 I don't see spark plugs costing you too much. 358 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,680 I mean they have a group photo here. 359 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:53,000 It's not looking like a club I want to be a part of. 360 00:16:53,000 --> 00:17:02,440 For the low cost of $20 and up, you could become a digital only membership member of 361 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,320 the spark plug of America membership club. 362 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,560 And you're going to drastically bring down the average age of the SPCA. 363 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,320 And I just realized it's the SPCA. 364 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,320 SPCOA. 365 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Spark plug something. 366 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:26,440 They probably had some sort of lawsuit they had to go through for that one. 367 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,840 Anyhow check them out. 368 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Yeah. 369 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Smoky. 370 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,000 I wasn't ready for that today. 371 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,200 We're learning so much. 372 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Chelsea, this next one, I've always heard about this one. 373 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,560 I think this is a fun one. 374 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,200 Now put yourself into this mindset. 375 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:49,160 Imagine you're a Chinese writer and or maybe an archaeologist. 376 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Let's face it, Mandarin is difficult for everyone to understand including us, the Chinese writer 377 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,920 and or archaeologist Bai Yun. 378 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:04,960 We're out exploring Chai Dam basin near the town of Dillinga in Qinghai province, China. 379 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,320 And in an escarpment called Mount Baigong, we spot what seems to be a carved triangular 380 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,800 cave opening near a saltwater lake called Tosan Lake. 381 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Rangle Cave? 382 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,560 Imagine that the cave was human made, we go inside and see what appears to be an array 383 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,120 of metal pipes rising from the floor and embedded in the walls. 384 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,560 And an area that's not inhabited. 385 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Uh oh. 386 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,240 Time to get out of there. 387 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,320 It's spooky. 388 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,580 It's spooky. 389 00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:33,520 This is happening in 96 I believe. 390 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,280 I didn't write the date down here but I think it comes up later. 391 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,160 He observed more pipes protruding from the surface of the hill outside as well as along 392 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,400 the shores of the lake and he sent samples of the pipe material to a government laboratory 393 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,400 for testing. 394 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,720 The laboratory sends back a report saying that 92% of the materials consisted of such 395 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,620 common minerals as ferric oxide, silicon dioxide and calcium oxide, but that 8% of it was 396 00:18:57,620 --> 00:18:59,200 unknown composition. 397 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,200 Does this mean to me as a Mandarin speaking writer? 398 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,320 I think I am. 399 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,200 And or archaeologist. 400 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,320 That it's a pipe? 401 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,320 It is a pipe. 402 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,400 It was confirmed. 403 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,560 But also unknown, we don't know what it was. 404 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,520 There's things in there that would make you think like calcium oxide might make you think 405 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,800 that it either was a pipe or it had water moving through it that had calcium in it. 406 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,960 I also think calcium oxide can be a rock. 407 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,960 I don't know. 408 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Calcium oxide. 409 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,400 We don't need to know too much about that. 410 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,200 But yeah we think they're water pipes. 411 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,520 And thermal luminescence testing in 2001 established that the pipes long predate human inhabitation 412 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:42,360 in the area and some even suggesting that these are dated to 150,000 years ago. 413 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:45,720 Which I don't know if you know Chelsea, but predates human civilization. 414 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Not humans, but human civilization. 415 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,720 I'm not still in the cave am I? 416 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,880 No at this point we have left the cave. 417 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,040 Okay good. 418 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:00,000 And some are strongly suggesting that these pipes are evidence of presence of a previous 419 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,720 civilization or even extraterrestrial civilization in the area. 420 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,880 And this formation comes to the attention of westerners through an article that gets 421 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,760 published in China's Xinhua news agency describing a planned scientific investigation of the 422 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:18,040 phenomenon and it specifically mentions this article, an extraterrestrial origin theory. 423 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,040 So people get excited about this. 424 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Logically. 425 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,040 Yeah. 426 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,040 You've probably heard this before Chelsea. 427 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,280 It's called the bygone pipes. 428 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,280 This is what we're talking about. 429 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,400 I don't know if I have. 430 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,600 It sounds like something that's probably been on ancient aliens. 431 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,400 It's definitely been on ancient aliens at one point. 432 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,920 These geologists ended up going back in 2001 to visit and they made further observations. 433 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,120 They found that the pipes varied widely in size and shape. 434 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:45,680 They were largely composed of carbon and pyrite cement all naturally occurring as a result 435 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,480 of geological processes. 436 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,480 Other explanations for the pipes were proposed. 437 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:55,440 One theory was that the plateau of Tibet left fissures while it was rising up in hard sandstone 438 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,320 which magma was forced through and the chemical effects of subsequent geological processes 439 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,760 resulted in the appearance of rusty iron. 440 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,960 However, there's no evidence of ancient volcanoes in the area and this theory was discounted. 441 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Another more promising explanation suggested that these same fissures filled with iron-rich 442 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,200 sediment during flooding of the area and the sediment hardened into pipe-like structures 443 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,480 of iron pyrite. 444 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,840 This theory comported with the area's geological past. 445 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,000 However, the scientific consensus as reported in Shinmen Weekly in 2003 is that the pipes 446 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,480 are actually pipes. 447 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,480 Just kidding. 448 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,240 They actually fossilized tree roots. 449 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,600 Two American researchers, Joan Mosa and VA Shoemaker, studied similar cylindrical structures 450 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,720 found in soils in southern Louisiana and included in an article published in 1993 that 451 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:49,680 processes of petogenesis and diogenesis had resulted in mineral elements forming around 452 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,640 tree roots and the interior of which rotted away leaving hollow pipe-like cylinders. 453 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,600 The Chai Dam basin had been a subtropical area with plentiful vegetation and in earlier 454 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:05,160 age, an atomic emission spectroscopy revealed organic plant material within the material 455 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,480 making up the pipes. 456 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,760 Therefore, Chinese scientists accepted this as the most probable theory to account for 457 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,760 the bygone pipes. 458 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,120 However, you know, that's not exciting. 459 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:15,760 So we're just going to say they're pipes. 460 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,000 I'm just looking at a picture. 461 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,000 They're cool looking. 462 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,440 They are very cool looking. 463 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,240 I don't know that I would have said that it was pipes though. 464 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,920 If I saw it, I'd be like, wow, those rocks look cool. 465 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,560 To be fair, I wouldn't know what 150,000 year old pipes look like. 466 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000 I'm not a plumber nor an archeological plumber. 467 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Well, that's true. 468 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,320 Nor did pipes exist 150,000 years ago. 469 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,360 So we're going to have to take some imaginative liberty beats. 470 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:45,440 I mean, that's me, but I'm also not speaking as the Mandarin speaking archeologist Slash 471 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,440 Rator right now. 472 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,440 Yeah. 473 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,440 And or. 474 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,440 So if I was speaking is him. 475 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,440 It's clear that I reason I say that is because there's different stories out there and they 476 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,280 all kind of change what they describe him as some describe him as an archeologist, some 477 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,680 describe him as a writer. 478 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240 It's not consistent, nor could I find the original source. 479 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,560 So I am both. 480 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,920 Yes, I would think they were pipes. 481 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,920 Definitely. 482 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,920 It looks. 483 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,160 I use got an eye for pipes. 484 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,880 Suspicious pipes, a little bit spooky. 485 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,800 But as Chelsea, it looks suspiciously like rocks. 486 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,080 Chelsea from here, we're going to move on to another place with a great wall that, of 487 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,560 course, being Texas. 488 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,280 We are going in Texas. 489 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,040 We are a farmer in Rockwall County, Texas. 490 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,880 I thought we were going to the border. 491 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:31,880 You know what? 492 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,480 We're not that far away, actually. 493 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,440 And this they have so many great walls. 494 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,440 Yeah. 495 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,160 I'm wondering if there was some sort of ancient immigration. 496 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,400 They were trying to stop. 497 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,360 Anyhow, 1852. 498 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,080 This is now four years. 499 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,800 It's been a part of the States. 500 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,400 And to celebrate this, we decide to dig a well so our family doesn't die. 501 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,400 Okay. 502 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,360 Because we're just basically farmers living off the land. 503 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,360 What's my name again? 504 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,360 Jed Clamp. 505 00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:59,360 No idea what our name is this time around. 506 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:00,360 You can look at that. 507 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,360 We need to dig a well. 508 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:03,360 Yeah. 509 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,880 Well, while we're out shooting for deer, we do not find oil. 510 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Probably very likely it's Texas pre oil boom. 511 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Instead, we discovered ancient brick wall, estimated to be anywhere from 200,000 to 512 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,920 100,000 years old and seven stories high and 20 miles long. 513 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,920 Wow. 514 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,920 Buried, obviously. 515 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,920 Yeah. 516 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,440 And Chelsea, you can take a look at these rock wall in Texas. 517 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,320 I did not bring anything up. 518 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,200 Well, there's also a city called Rockwall, Texas. 519 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,640 So rock, coincidentally, it's where the rock wall is. 520 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,640 You know what? 521 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,640 I can share my screen. 522 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,640 Probably easier. 523 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,640 Yeah. 524 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,640 Because this is not bringing anything. 525 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,640 It does not have anything. 526 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,440 Chelsea, you're digging your well and this is what comes up. 527 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Oh, yike. 528 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,440 Spooky. 529 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,440 This is freaking me out. 530 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,840 Here is a bit of a better picture of it. 531 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,840 I don't think this is actually one of them. 532 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,000 I can't remember. 533 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,280 This came from an article I was reading. 534 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,600 This one, I think they built that one. 535 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,640 To keep out the more modern immigrants. 536 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,640 Just kidding. 537 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,640 I think it's to look nice. 538 00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,640 Okay. 539 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,640 I have it. 540 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,640 It came up now. 541 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,640 Okay. 542 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,640 I don't know why I had problems. 543 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,560 I did some digging and there's not like a Wikipedia article on this one, but there's 544 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,080 a really good Dallas news has a really good review of this. 545 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,080 What's it doing there? 546 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,080 Okay. 547 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,080 This one's good. 548 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,080 Yeah. 549 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,080 This one's a creepy one. 550 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,320 This one really looks like not only are there layers to the rocks, but there's segmented 551 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,320 pieces. 552 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,200 Almost like it is a rock wall made of bricks that you would have to put together. 553 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,200 Correct? 554 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Yeah. 555 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,200 It looks, it's a wall. 556 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,200 Yeah. 557 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,920 And again, it's 20 miles long and seven stories tall, which is what? 558 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:32,920 About 60 feet? 559 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,920 I don't know. 560 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,120 Americans use weird measurements whenever they feel like it. 561 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,280 I have no idea how many football fields long that is nor how many months we could measure 562 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,280 it in. 563 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,280 So I'm lost. 564 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,240 Okay, this is a legit wall. 565 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,680 I'm curious to learn more. 566 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,920 I'm going to read a bit for you from the Dallas news article on this topic. 567 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,640 At the Rockwell County Historical Foundation Museum, curator Carolyn Holt said many artifacts 568 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,280 and clues point to a possible ancient settlement. 569 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,120 And Chelsea, I just want to make sure that we're all on the same page for this too. 570 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:07,440 At this point, at the earliest, humans got to North America 30,000 years ago. 571 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,960 They were not here between 200 and 400,000 years ago when this wall came into existence. 572 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,960 What? 573 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,960 Yeah. 574 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,960 It's getting spooky. 575 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,960 Okay. 576 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,960 There's no denying this wall. 577 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,960 It's a wall. 578 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,560 In some of the museum's collections, photos depict corners of the alleged spirit city 579 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,480 that signify that people may have carved it out. 580 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,400 Don Geisman, a professor emeritus of geology at the University of Texas, Dallas, tested 581 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,000 a set of rocks for an episode of the History Channel's America Unearthed in 2012. 582 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,080 Geisman is a geophysicist, meaning he studies the magnetic properties of rocks. 583 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Geisman said the rock formation is called a sandstone dike, which is created when sediment 584 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,640 and minerals build up into fractures of earth. 585 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,000 Rocks formed in dikes are almost always younger than the surrounding rock, and sometimes these 586 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,360 dikes are formed after an earthquake or when faults occur that force liquefied materials 587 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,360 upwards. 588 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:03,480 In the case of rockwalls, rockwall, the sandstone is made of quartz that has been cemented by 589 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,960 additional quartz, which makes it extremely hard in contrast to the surrounding rock, 590 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,960 as Geisman said. 591 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,080 While sandstone dikes are not uncommon, Geisman said he thought rockwall's rock formation 592 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,440 was unusual when he saw it for the first time. 593 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:22,200 Not only were the sandstone dikes thin, but they could also be traced for long distances, 594 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,680 which is an unusual characteristic for dikes. 595 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,040 He also noted that the pattern of the dikes were similar to that of bricks. 596 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,680 As a direct quote from him, the fractured pattern in these features is quite impressive. 597 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,320 It's not irregular in character, and I think that's a big factor resulting in the human 598 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,080 thought mechanism that took place when these features were discovered. 599 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,760 Rocks have the ability to permanently hold the earth's magnetic orientation when they 600 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,760 are formed. 601 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Geisman tested the magnetism in the rock and found that the magnetism of the rocks, 602 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,200 or the time in which they were formed, were the same and concluded that the formation 603 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,080 is natural. 604 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:11,480 Just another quote here to finish up his part. 605 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:19,040 What we found was that by and large, the magnetization in sandstone dikes is pretty uniform in direction. 606 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,320 Just because if you're putting bricks on a wall, it's going to be random which direction 607 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,320 you put them in. 608 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,720 It's not going to be like you rotate them and you're going to pull them in the exact 609 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,120 direction you put them in until you put it down. 610 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,880 Because every single one of these pieces of sandstone has the exact same direction of 611 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,760 magnetization, it's safe to say that they all came into being at the same time. 612 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,320 Geisman is sure that the rocks are natural, but also said that it's important for scientists 613 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,320 to keep an open mind about how the formation has been used. 614 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,720 Russo agrees and has said he believes that a prior civilization may have manipulated 615 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,120 the rock formation to fit their own needs, perhaps in the form of a temple or a fortress. 616 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,720 Russo said he has traveled across the country to various states to see if similar formations 617 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,440 exist with no luck. 618 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,720 Russo said there may not be a way to find out how the rocks were formed and what they 619 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,400 may have been used for, but it's also part of the rock walls appeal. 620 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,080 That's the end of that article, or at least the part I'm going to be citing. 621 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,640 In any event, this thing is truly weird and just because it exists naturally doesn't 622 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,280 mean that somebody wasn't using it. 623 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,040 That end part I think is really cool. 624 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Well, I can't say I'm not disappointed by that explanation, because it looks like a 625 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,760 wall. 626 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,240 It does, and there are people that believe it is an out of place artifact that is in 627 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,360 fact a wall from an ancient civilization. 628 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,360 Yeah. 629 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,240 However, you also have to keep in mind if it is seven stories tall, we haven't been 630 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,240 building for seven stories for that long as a civilization. 631 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,960 No, I hate the logical explanation, but I'll accept it. 632 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,560 Michelle C, this brings us to our last out of place artifact. 633 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,760 Who am I? 634 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,760 This time, you are a British Egyptologist. 635 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680 It is 1936. 636 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,240 You got a good feeling about the new government coming into Germany to turn it around, and 637 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 our name is Walter Brian Emery. 638 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,000 Okay, I seem like I'm going to get cursed. 639 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000 You know what? 640 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 I never looked into this guy. 641 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Let's just say he ends up getting cursed at some point, but not now. 642 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,400 Yeah, I feel like... 643 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Right now we are young, we are limber maybe, and we are just looking for that curse. 644 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,800 Yeah, I don't feel cursed yet. 645 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Yes. 646 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,800 I feel like it's coming though. 647 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,840 Much like how naval officers always end up with venereal disease in this day, we are 648 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,360 going to end up cursed. 649 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,200 We don't know when or how, we just accept that it's going to happen. 650 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920 Okay, what are we up to as Walter? 651 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,760 We go into a mastabatune, which is basically it's a freestanding tomb in the middle of 652 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,680 the desert, usually made out of stones. 653 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,640 It kind of has a pyramid shape to it, but they're not big. 654 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,240 This one in particular, it has inside it a mummy that we end up calling Sabu, and there 655 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,880 are seven chambers inside where the mummy named Sabu is. 656 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,560 Room E, there's a disc found in a central location right next to the skeleton, which 657 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,840 was originally buried in a wooden coffin. 658 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,560 This object was broken in several fragments and later gets restored. 659 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Chelsea, I want you to look up S-A-B-U Sabu disc so you can see what was found. 660 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Is that a Frisbee? 661 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,520 We will get to that. 662 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,520 Is that a hubcap? 663 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,080 Is it a fan? 664 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,800 And this is actually the fun thing about this one. 665 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,200 I'm just going to say it outright. 666 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,720 We don't know what it is. 667 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,280 All we know is it's called the Sabu disc and it's weird. 668 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,080 Best guess that they have at the time is it's a holder for oil. 669 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040 It's basically what the guess is at this time. 670 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,640 Okay, none of my guesses were that. 671 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,200 The artifact is in the shape of a shallow bowl with a diameter of 24 inches or 61 centimeters 672 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,760 at a maximum height of 10.6 centimeters or 4.2 inches. 673 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,200 There is a central hole with a diameter of about 8 centimeters or 3 inches, which is 674 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,600 fitted with a socket whose height corresponds approximately to the depth of the bowl. 675 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:56,400 From the slightly raised outer edge, three wings or lobes are folded inwards towards 676 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,520 the central hole with the outer edge remaining in the form of narrow arches that connect 677 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,000 the non-folded parts with each other. 678 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,920 When viewed from above, it resembles a steering wheel with three very wide spokes. 679 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,880 And due to its design, the disc is considered a unique piece in Egyptology. 680 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,560 Nothing like this has ever been found again. 681 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,600 It doesn't look consistent with other artifacts. 682 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,600 No, and Chubby. 683 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,200 As if it's out of place. 684 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200 Yeah, this one too. 685 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,800 While looking at it, I need you to keep in mind it's made of stone. 686 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,800 Oh, okay. 687 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Yeah. 688 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,360 I guess logically it doesn't look like it's made of metal. 689 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,240 Oh, it looks like it's made of metal and they did have metal at the time, but this one in 690 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,800 particular is made of stone, late to be specific. 691 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,800 Emory, the character that we are at this time who is still afresh without the curse we assume, 692 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,920 interpreted the artifact as a vessel placed on a stand because of the central hole. 693 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,920 But no remains of any stand were found. 694 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,280 It should be known, however, that this mastaba tomb was not untouched with Emory discovered 695 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,280 it, but like many other ancient Egyptian tombs, it had been looted by grave robbers centuries 696 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,280 before. 697 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,920 Since the production of a metal object shaped like the sabu disc would be easy, but very 698 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,400 complex if it were made from easily splintered rock, it has been assumed that this may have 699 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,280 been an imitation of a metal object. 700 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,120 Early reports of the discovery dubbed the find a mysterious vessel and speculated that it 701 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,480 may have been a gigantic lamp. 702 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,760 That's the best guess scientists have. 703 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,240 In popular and unscientific publications, an English engineer named William Kay is quoted 704 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,960 as having further developed this hypothesis. 705 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,160 According to him, the bowl was used as a three flame oil lamp during ritual activities and 706 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,680 was placed on a holder for this purpose. 707 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,160 Another hypothesis stated that the bowl could only have served as a decorative purpose because 708 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,320 of its fragility. 709 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,140 In Egyptology, apart from the brief reports mentioned, there was no extensive discussion 710 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:48,960 of the disc and its function. 711 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,640 Thumbed ancient astronaut Fringe theorists believe that the object is an out of place 712 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,640 artifact. 713 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,160 And according to the theory, the significance of the disc can be recognized besides its 714 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,880 unique form by the fact that it is placed in the center of the burial chamber and not 715 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,360 Saabu's remains. 716 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,360 In addition, its appearance resembles the symbol of radioactivity and Zachariah Stitchin 717 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,280 believes it is a flywheel or flywheel storage. 718 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,840 What's a flywheel? 719 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,160 A flywheel is basically a gear that pulls. 720 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,280 If you go to the Wikipedia page for a flywheel, it's basically the gear that pulls from the 721 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,280 energy source. 722 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,280 Okay. 723 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,360 I mean, Zachariah Stitchin's never been. 724 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,360 No. 725 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,360 I'm the right guy. 726 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,360 No, I'm thinking of. 727 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,640 There's a lot of names that could come up, but another one's going to come up later. 728 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,440 The one with the heavy accent. 729 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,920 Yeah, you can wait. 730 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,920 We'll see. 731 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,920 Here that name later. 732 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,920 Okay. 733 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,120 The Airbus Research Center made copies of this disc using a 3D printer to examine the 734 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,560 physical properties of it. 735 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,400 And the copies had aerodynamic properties. 736 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,160 And one thing that they said it could serve as is a Frisbee. 737 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,160 I said that. 738 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,160 That's as good as mine. 739 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,880 I think it's a Frisbee too. 740 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,960 I think it was a fancy person's Frisbee that they wanted to take with them to the after 741 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,960 life. 742 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,800 Yeah, who wouldn't if you had a favorite Frisbee? 743 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,600 But it should be noted due to the rotational symmetry, use as a propeller or turbine would 744 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,840 be impossible because it would have no force on the air around it. 745 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,760 So it wasn't like it was the propeller on an airplane. 746 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,500 It was also shown that it was possible to use the disc as an oil lat. 747 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:17,240 So that is still a possibility. 748 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,200 I mean, you could use a Frisbee as a candle holder. 749 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,200 I mean, technically. 750 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,800 Yeah, pretty much anything that can hold something can be a candle. 751 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,800 Yes, exactly. 752 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,000 It should be noted, Chelsea, if you want to see a copy of this thing, you can find it 753 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,120 at Youngfrau Park, which was founded by Eric Vondanakin. 754 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,120 Ah, that's the name. 755 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,120 Yes. 756 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,800 Youngfrau Park. 757 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,120 Why did he found a park? 758 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,280 Don't you remember he has like a Disneyland of ancient astronaut theory stuff? 759 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,280 Are you serious? 760 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,800 And I'm pretty sure it's in Switzerland. 761 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,160 Yeah, we might have to do an episode on that. 762 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,600 We might just have to go there. 763 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,640 Eric Vondanakin Park. 764 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,280 Mysteries of the world at Youngfrau Park. 765 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,280 Where is this? 766 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,280 I'm pretty sure it's in Switzerland. 767 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,280 Interlaken Switzerland. 768 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,280 I was so close to this. 769 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,960 I haven't even been there. 770 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,720 We need to do a field trip. 771 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:06,720 You know what? 772 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,720 I think this should just open up an episode that we'll be doing. 773 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,240 Likely, it'll be tied in with Eric Vondanakin when we do him. 774 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:19,040 There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven pavilions, and there's NASCA, CONTACT, MAGA 775 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,560 STONES, Maya, ORIENT, VIMANA, and CHALLENGE. 776 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,560 Those are the pavilions. 777 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,760 But yeah, I thought it would be good to end off on this one just because I do think it 778 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,240 is of the things I talked about, the most out of place artifact. 779 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,640 It's the only one like it that's ever been found and they're like, yeah, I don't know. 780 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,640 It's weird. 781 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,640 You can't really explain it though. 782 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,400 They're like, okay, this is probably, we think it's a fris, I think it's a frisbee. 783 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,000 But nobody will know for sure. 784 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Even then, I don't know. 785 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,600 Technology doesn't seem that out of place, nor does it seem like it could do something 786 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,000 technologically wise, other than be a frigging sweet frisbee. 787 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Yeah, I can't believe I've never known about this ancient alien Disneyland. 788 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360 Now that you've shown me this, I just can't believe it. 789 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,520 I could have sworn you knew about that. 790 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,000 But anyhow, Chelsea, those are the out of place artifacts that I wanted to talk about 791 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000 today. 792 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000 There's way more out there. 793 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000 We can do more episodes on this. 794 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,920 You should be noted that generally speaking, when these come up, the actual out of place 795 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,560 part is more speculation on some parties where there's another explanation that's more widely 796 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,560 accepted. 797 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,000 There are some, however, like the Sabu disc, which doesn't have a great explanation. 798 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 It is just, we haven't found anything else like it. 799 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,600 So it does seem out of place. 800 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,600 Yeah. 801 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,360 Also, there's forgeries out there, but that's, we're just keeping this on. 802 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,400 Not in the saddest. 803 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,400 In that case, it could show up literally anywhere on earth and it would be out of place. 804 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,320 There's a toll existence as a lie. 805 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,400 There's a water park at this place. 806 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,800 Okay, Chelsea, anything you want to add to this episode before you go plan your vacation? 807 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,200 You can have birthday parties there too. 808 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,200 Okay. 809 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,200 So I know where I'm having my next birthday party. 810 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,200 No, you're right. 811 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,720 It wasn't as spooky as I thought it was going to be. 812 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,080 It was spooky in that cave for a few minutes, but then I got out and it was fine. 813 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,160 But pretty logical explanations of everything. 814 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,440 And I hate that, but I already said how much I hate that. 815 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,040 If you don't like the explanation, you don't have to like or believe it. 816 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,400 It's just the very likely logical explanation in every situation. 817 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,320 I hate that, but that's where we are with things because there's always a logical one 818 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,840 that we have come to with most episodes. 819 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,080 And logically speaking, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 820 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,440 We are a journey to the fringe. 821 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,440 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 822 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,440 Bye. 823 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,400 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 824 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:45,440 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow 825 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,760 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 826 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,880 Also please, if possible, leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 827 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,720 Should you wish to 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