1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,320 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:17,760 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we sometimes keep the topics fresh, 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,440 even if the freshness is kind of a load of bullshit. 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:26,880 We are your podcast host Taylor and Chelsea, and today we look at a theory that has jumped 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:32,800 from the screens of TikTok and to your ears of Journey to the Fringe. 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,960 And that is, Chelsea, brace yourself for this. 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Okay. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Mud flood. 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Okay, I've never heard of it, but I love a good TikTok theory. 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,320 This is, like, you can't really find much more than a couple years old on this theory, 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,320 so it is fairly new. 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,160 I love that TikTok is pushing out these insane conspiracy theories. 13 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,160 Yeah. 14 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:53,160 Is it a conspiracy theory? 15 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,560 I guess we're gonna find out. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,960 Yeah, you'll find out. 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,720 But I definitely think it falls into a conspiracy theory. 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,120 I'm very excited about it. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Somebody has to be hiding something if we don't know what mud flood is as general public 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,800 people. 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Yeah. 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,720 As a general rule of thumb, I just always consider people to be hiding things. 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,520 I want to know what they are. 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Yeah. 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,440 Which is why we always start conversations with people with that. 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Hey, what are you hiding? 27 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Exactly. 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Hey, what are you hiding? 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Is it stuff? 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:24,440 You ever heard of this cryptic vegetable man? 31 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,680 We have the most well-informed audience. 32 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,520 They are just the best social people. 33 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,920 And if someone says yes, I'd be like, you are cultured. 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Yeah. 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,360 You listen to a lot of podcasts, turning to the friends specifically. 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Okay, let's talk about this. 37 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,960 We don't listen to enough podcasts to guarantee that, but it's probably just us, yes. 38 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,520 Chelsea, you hear mud flood. 39 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,640 What would you think this theory is? 40 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:53,960 I would think somewhere where it rained a lot and there wasn't a lot of trees. 41 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Like an earth slide. 42 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,960 To keep the mud down. 43 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,040 And in some place, which I guess technically, yeah, you basically got the gist of this theory 44 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,040 then. 45 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:09,640 Mud flood theory is that there was an unexplained occurrence of massive amounts of mud flooding 46 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:14,440 streets and cities throughout the world sometime in the 19th century. 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,440 Okay. 48 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Too much mud. 49 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,440 Too much mud. 50 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,440 More mud than you would usually expect. 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,240 And it happened basically everywhere. 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,600 So mud came from somewhere, but we didn't know where we can't get lost in the details. 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,600 Okay. 54 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,600 Okay. 55 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,600 This is not a detailed one. 56 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,360 But we got some details we can get into where the mud came from. 57 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:35,880 We can't talk about it. 58 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,840 And why there's only one mud flood in the 1800s. 59 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,040 We're not really going to get into that. 60 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Just one. 61 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,040 Okay. 62 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Yeah. 63 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,040 That's a lot of mud. 64 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Why haven't we heard about this? 65 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:54,560 Well, it's because the mud flood actually covered up the advanced civilization of Tartaria, 66 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,480 which was said to span pretty much all of the world, Asia, Europe, North America. 67 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:06,440 And it's subsequently since the mud flood been erased from public records. 68 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,720 Under mud. 69 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Under mud. 70 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,960 But there are remnants of the civilization everywhere. 71 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,960 You would think if it's just under the mud, you just find where all the mud is and look 72 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,840 under it, it'd be pretty easy to find. 73 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Yeah. 74 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,840 You just dig down. 75 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,120 And in fact, this is what the theory basically is. 76 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,880 There are evidence of this ancient civilization that are everywhere and they're buildings 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,640 that we literally use. 78 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:30,720 They just seem slightly out of place. 79 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,680 And basically they're saying they're all the fancy buildings and towns that look out of 80 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:39,800 place, like that were built in the 1800s around like rickety old wooden structures. 81 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:45,440 And they're like those big halls built out of stone that just seem to not fit in with 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,960 everything else. 83 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:47,960 Yeah. 84 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,120 You know, anything on TikTok can seem pretty convincing with that like creepy background 85 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,120 music. 86 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,120 Is that how they presented it? 87 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,120 You know what? 88 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,160 I didn't watch all of the people doing the videos. 89 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,160 I watched a couple. 90 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,160 Okay. 91 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Yeah, we can't expect you to do that. 92 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,440 Yeah, that's a lot of work. 93 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,440 It is. 94 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,720 I'd be impressed if you said you watched every TikTok. 95 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,160 And you people are not willing to pay us to do this. 96 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,640 So I just volunteer my time. 97 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:13,640 Okay. 98 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,800 Okay, so here is the evidence that gets put forward for the mudflat. 99 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,800 Okay. 100 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,200 There are buildings around the world such as the Singer Building, the original New York 101 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,200 Penn Station, and even the Great Peerlands. 102 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,720 The Singer Building is one of them. 103 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,360 It has been taken down. 104 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,160 It was a fairly tall structure. 105 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,200 Oh, this was from the lost civilization, you say? 106 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Yeah. 107 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,200 They say. 108 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,200 TikToks. 109 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,200 They say. 110 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,200 TikToks. 111 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Okay. 112 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,120 So this is the architectural evidence that they say from the previous civilizations. 113 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,160 And why do they say that? 114 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,800 These structures are often attributed with having advanced architectural features that 115 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,400 suggest a level of civilization far beyond what would be expected from the time period 116 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,800 they were supposedly built. 117 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:55,800 I see. 118 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,200 And the theory suggests that these buildings are actually part of a vast empire that has 119 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,720 been suppressed from history. 120 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,520 And Chelsea, there are subreddits for this. 121 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,760 There is Tartaria. 122 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,160 There is the Tartarian Architecture Subreddit. 123 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,400 I believe there's even a mudflat subreddit. 124 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,520 And you can see pictures of what they deem as Tartarian architecture that seems out of 125 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,520 place. 126 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,880 And it's basically the colonial age has these big white structures or these brick structures 127 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,160 that are pretty much everywhere throughout the world. 128 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,600 And that's what they're pressing on as saying this was a civilization that we didn't know 129 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,600 about. 130 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,600 Okay. 131 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,000 I really had to scroll to find the Tartaria subreddit. 132 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,840 A lot of bad history comes up. 133 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:33,840 Yeah. 134 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:34,840 Okay. 135 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,160 I immediately see some structures here. 136 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:44,240 And of TikTok, it's actually really hard to find proponents of mudflats. 137 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,840 More a lot of debunkers you find. 138 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:47,840 Yeah. 139 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:48,840 I find that with some TikTok. 140 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:52,560 You gotta love TikTok conspiracy theories. 141 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Big fan. 142 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,560 I'm a big fan actually. 143 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,560 I love a good conspiracy. 144 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,000 I will be taken in by a good conspiracy theory. 145 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Logical or not. 146 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,880 I just like them. 147 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,840 Theory points out that there are similar styles of architecture such as the domed capital 148 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:08,120 buildings or star forts. 149 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Star forts are a big one for this as well around the world. 150 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,920 This suggests a common architectural heritage that could not have been developed independently 151 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,560 in different parts of the world. 152 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,800 There are also photographs from the turn of the 20th century showing deserted city streets 153 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,520 in many capital cities across the world. 154 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,600 This contrast between the elaborate stone megastructures and the muddy streets inhabited 155 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,120 by horses and cart dwellers is cited as evidence of a lost civilization. 156 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,840 The theory also suggests that these images are of cities that were once bustling but 157 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:39,280 were destroyed by a catastrophic event. 158 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:43,560 This theory reflects a cultural discontent in modernism and a preference for traditional 159 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,960 styles over modern ones and it has been described as the QAnon of architecture, suggesting a 160 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,640 broader dissatisfaction with the perceived decline in cultural and architectural quality 161 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,880 from historical times to the present. 162 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,360 Not surprisingly the word QAnon is going to come up again in this episode at some point. 163 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,480 The theory originates out of Russia with aspects first appearing in Anatoli Fomenko's 164 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,320 new chronology then popularized by a racial occult history of Nikolai Levoshov. 165 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,640 It is presented as a rejection of the narrative that Russia was ignored in the West and a 166 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,680 claim that Tartaria was the real name for Russia and this aspect of the theory is deeply 167 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,280 rooted in Russian nationalism and pseudoscience. 168 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,880 The theory also delves into the urban development suggesting that the underground features of 169 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,360 modern cities such as tunnels buried lower floors and excavation are remnants of Tartaria 170 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,480 and this interpretation is based on the observation that urban development often leads to the 171 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,800 uncovering of old structures and the alteration of street levels. 172 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,720 This is where you really see the TikTok videos or videos like them on there is people walking 173 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,280 down the street and they'll say like oh that's definitely a pre-mud-flood building and it's 174 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,120 because there's windows that go below street level. 175 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,760 They're clearly only there because something happened to raise the street level to a point 176 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,760 where the window is below street level. 177 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Oh they like what about all these cities that like Seattle that had an underground and then 178 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,240 they built the city on top. 179 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,680 That was the mud yeah. 180 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,000 Oh that was for sure mud. 181 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,760 I just it just clicked for me I apologize. 182 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,680 If you need to ask a question the answer is mud. 183 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,720 Of course it's just evidence. 184 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,840 That's the theory in the gist. 185 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,560 I was hoping for more but that's literally it nobody really talks about where the mud 186 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:38,560 comes from and the best evidence of it is that some buildings are below ground when they 187 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,560 look like they shouldn't be. 188 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:44,800 Or these buildings look like they have a round dome top. 189 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,800 Yeah. 190 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,640 So it's just remaining architecture for a while. 191 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,640 And it's not just that other places like in Asia have domes on top so why would they 192 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,360 both build with domes on top if it wasn't some previous civilization. 193 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Forgetting the fact that we've basically colonized the entire world. 194 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Yeah humans right. 195 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:07,600 Yeah well I meant Europeans more so. 196 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,600 They explore the culture to the extreme. 197 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,080 Yeah no they did do that. 198 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Basically there's kind of two different ways to really talk about it when it comes to the 199 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,400 below street level windows. 200 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,200 The first thing you can say is yeah you know what over time building up roads and debris 201 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,240 it does technically slowly but surely raise the ground level. 202 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,920 That is something that happens. 203 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,960 And that's why when we dig when we look for ancient civilizations we do dig. 204 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 It's because things do get buried over time. 205 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:41,080 The second part of it though is we've only had electricity for about 150 years. 206 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,080 Sorry I shouldn't say electricity. 207 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,480 We've only had light bulbs indoor lighting that is electric for about 150 years. 208 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,920 So you used to want to get as much light as possible. 209 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:58,120 So even if it's really low even if it's very low you're still going to get some light from 210 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,320 it. 211 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,920 So you want as many windows as possible. 212 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,360 Yeah that all makes sense. 213 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,960 I don't think there's a lot to support this theory but like Tartaria that's a weird one 214 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:08,960 right. 215 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,720 This hasn't come up I don't think before. 216 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,320 No I've never heard of it before. 217 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:18,360 And if you look at ancient maps there is a region that is usually labeled tartar or tartary. 218 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Like this top. 219 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,880 I'm just going to get out of the way. 220 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,640 We're not going to talk about the sauce at all completely unrelated. 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,000 So Chelsea if you want to take a look you can look up map tartary and you can see ancient 222 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,080 maps that label this region. 223 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,400 Map tartary. 224 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,840 I mean that doesn't really count for evidence towards anything. 225 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Oh yeah. 226 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,000 It does exist. 227 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,200 That proves the theory. 228 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,200 It does exist. 229 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,200 And in fact there's even a jurisdiction. 230 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,520 I can't remember what they call them. 231 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,040 State province in Russia called tartar. 232 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,160 Like there's a tartar people that live in Russia. 233 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,160 This one's Chinese tartary. 234 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,040 And there's an independent tartar. 235 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,040 Well I'm going to talk a bit about that now. 236 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,040 I didn't know this. 237 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,200 I actually just learned this researching this. 238 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,960 Did you know that Mongolians used to refer to themselves as the tartars. 239 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,960 No. 240 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,160 And in fact like well before the Mongolian Empire started it was tartar and it eventually 241 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,880 changed as it was going to Mongol and replace that word. 242 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:21,800 But for that time Europeans from the 12th century onwards used the term tartar to refer 243 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,760 to just this big swath of central and northern Asia. 244 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,560 And it would encompass all of basically eastern Russia to Manchuria for China. 245 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,760 Oh the historical name for central Asia in Siberia. 246 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,400 No I had no idea. 247 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Yeah. 248 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,240 It's one of those weird ones that you don't really think about. 249 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,360 It's kind of like some people call Asia the Orient and it's because east used to be the 250 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,680 top of the map. 251 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,760 So it was the Orient of the map with Asia on top. 252 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Oh wow I'm learning a lot. 253 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:55,400 But that name kind of fell out of favor as we actually learned and traveled to these 254 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,880 places and learned what people wanted to be called. 255 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,640 So as maps get more and more recent it falls out of favor because we're like well they 256 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,160 don't call themselves tartars. 257 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,160 They're Mongolians. 258 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,760 So let's just put their borders there and give it Mongolia. 259 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,920 Except when you get to other places where we just tell them what they're supposed to 260 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,920 be called like Japan and Korea and China. 261 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,600 They don't call themselves that in their languages at all. 262 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,080 We just decided to pick their ruler's name and make that their country. 263 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,440 Oh I didn't know that. 264 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,600 I assume that we gave the names to a lot of people. 265 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,280 I have a theory that there's kind of a life cycle of how we named countries. 266 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,040 When we were first starting out we kind of said hey what do you want to be called and 267 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,200 that's how most countries kind of get their names for Europe. 268 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,960 In France let's be called France sure. 269 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,960 England wants to be called England sure. 270 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,560 Didn't get that far though because the Germans called themselves Deutschland. 271 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:47,560 The next step is we went somewhere asked who was in charge and said okay that's your name. 272 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:49,960 That's where Eastern Asia gets its names. 273 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,400 China, Korea, Japan which are really Jung-Gwul, Hangu and Ilbun. 274 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,320 I think is what Japan is in Japanese. 275 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Urban. 276 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,680 I can't remember if they do ours or else. 277 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,480 And then after that we said okay you can name yourself anything you want and that's how 278 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,400 we got the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. 279 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,120 I love that we still just call it those things that we gave it. 280 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,840 Yeah that's my theory anyways. 281 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,520 We went from passive to very aggressive back to passive. 282 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:14,880 So the tartar... 283 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Tartar... 284 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Ah jeez I can't even say it. 285 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,520 Tartaria originates from the Mongol Empire and apparently is just a continuation of it 286 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,320 that made it up until fairly recent days like 200 years ago-ish. 287 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,080 And then we decided to cover up its entire historical record. 288 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,240 Okay so the theory actually says that it's from this area. 289 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,240 I shouldn't say that. 290 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,760 It's just this evidence that the tartar empire did exist. 291 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,800 Doesn't mean that that's where it only was or where it originated from. 292 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,760 And that's the hard part you get with the tartar part of it is nobody really talks 293 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,640 about the actual whole empire where it starts from and whatnot. 294 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,560 It's just it was an advanced civilization which they must have been because we inhabit 295 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,000 their buildings still to this day. 296 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 That's incredible. 297 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,640 The workmanship unmatched. 298 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,360 I'm just gonna quote now from a Bloomberg article that I was reading for this. 299 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,040 The tartaria storyline is not directly related to the Adrena Chrome harvesting satanic pedophile 300 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,080 cabal that lies at the heart of QAnon, the unfounded conspiracy theory that crashed into 301 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,760 the real world in 2020, but it shares some of what Peter Ditto, a social psychologist 302 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,040 at the University of California Irvine, who specializes in conspiracy theories calls QAnon's 303 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,600 cafeteria quality. 304 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,000 There's no overarching narrative or single authorial voice interpreting events. 305 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,800 It's just a gusher of outlandish speculation. 306 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,320 Adherents can pick and choose which elements they want to sign on to. 307 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,320 And that's what I mean. 308 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Like it's hard to actually get an overall idea as people are more so just wanting to 309 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,200 point out little things that allude to tartaria than what tartaria is. 310 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,200 Yeah. 311 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,320 And I think you get that a lot with TikTok with people just making short videos probably 312 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,840 being like, look, this is evidence. 313 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:03,480 I did find on the tartaria subreddits, they do list a few YouTubers who push or explain 314 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,480 the theory. 315 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,960 None of them are good. 316 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,400 I have to say. 317 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,840 Or some of them videos are too long. 318 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,320 I didn't want to get into it. 319 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,000 So our cakes might be good. 320 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,560 I haven't had time to watch his two hour videos. 321 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,280 One quote from one YouTuber named John Levi is with these preserved buildings around us, 322 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,320 we would have viewed the whole world differently and we would not have thought about Greece 323 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,240 and Rome and Turkey as separate places from us here in North America. 324 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,800 No, the world would have a unified feel once people realized that there was one world people 325 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,020 building the same style everywhere. 326 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,480 So that's his theory as to why it's being hidden. 327 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,320 A lot of different people have different explanations for why it's being hidden. 328 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Some of them incredibly anti-Semitic. 329 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Others just not as bad. 330 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,040 But at the end of the day, it's yeah. 331 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,960 Chelsea, I did want to show you one of his videos. 332 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,680 I have one right down the road from me, Burtarian building, Riverview Hospital. 333 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,000 Look how fancy he is. 334 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,960 So this is John Levi going over what he believes is evidence that Salt Lake City was built 335 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:05,960 by somebody else. 336 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Today I want to look at abandoned Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City and ruins. 337 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:19,520 This is a collection of 73 photos from 1850 to 1964. 338 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Here it says Utah's capital. 339 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Salt Lake City was founded by Brigham Young in 1847. 340 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:36,240 It becomes a state in 1894, the Enabling Act, signed by Grover Cleveland. 341 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,480 So here we go. 342 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,720 All of this city is essentially built out before it's even a state. 343 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Just a big gamble if we're to believe the narrative. 344 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,480 And I've lived in Salt Lake City. 345 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:54,680 And right away, even before doing this research over 20 years ago, I thought to myself, why 346 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,480 is this city so worldly and European? 347 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,240 My best friend growing up in this morning, their family lived next door. 348 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,400 And they're very kind and simple people to this day. 349 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,920 He describes the city as being in ruins. 350 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,880 You got to remember this is the 1800s, so photo quality isn't great. 351 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,440 I can't say that that's in ruins. 352 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,440 No, I wouldn't necessarily. 353 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,400 I mean, if it was in ruins, I would be like, wow, that city is in ruins. 354 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,960 It looks like a regular old picture. 355 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,720 We see a completely built out city in ruins. 356 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,040 This absolute tech on the top. 357 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,960 It doesn't look like it's been recently built. 358 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:43,480 It looks as if they're just recently erecting this scaffold around it. 359 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,240 For what I don't know, I don't know. 360 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:51,200 So he says that it looks like this was not recently built, doesn't cite anything or explain 361 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,040 why he feels that way, but that the scaffolding around it is new. 362 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,760 In Indian. 363 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,680 Yeah. 364 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:00,680 And then I love this. 365 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,800 He speculates on what they're doing up there. 366 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,840 He doesn't know. 367 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,840 He doesn't know. 368 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,120 Maybe they're going to blow it up. 369 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,800 Maybe there's TNT in these boxes. 370 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:17,520 The caption tells us George Albert Smith and Temple Electrician Ephraim holding copper 371 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:24,480 on the southeast tower of the temple prior to 1893 dedication. 372 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,440 So they're electrifying it. 373 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,600 They're putting copper wire in. 374 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,200 It would have been beautified by now. 375 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,880 Break or stone or whatever. 376 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,880 Not this. 377 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,840 Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. 378 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,360 You can even see they're putting light bulbs. 379 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,320 So that's what they're doing, right? 380 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,320 You're not. 381 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,040 Yeah, you couldn't amend that if that's what they're really doing. 382 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,280 I just like that's the effort that goes into this. 383 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,080 This is these all seem out of place. 384 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,480 It's a TikTok theory, of course it is. 385 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,360 I love how we saying that that's not a new building. 386 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,600 It actually looks newer than any of the other buildings in the picture. 387 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,040 A little family, perhaps in the bicycle business. 388 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Really creepy swimming photo. 389 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,360 I don't know what's going on here. 390 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,960 This person back here looks like he's walking on water. 391 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,320 And here's how they went swimming. 392 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Really having uniforms. 393 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,040 What is he just doing while he's taking a beating? 394 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,360 Not looking like normal people. 395 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:20,520 These look like uniforms. 396 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,840 This is a creepy child. 397 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,760 It looks like he has a beard and is old. 398 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,560 I think in the Bible it says your children will be born old. 399 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,560 That's not a child. 400 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:31,560 I know. 401 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,560 You think that's a child? 402 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,560 He's interpreting it. 403 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Idiot. 404 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,560 It didn't look like a child. 405 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,760 It looked like an old guy. 406 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,760 This guy just... 407 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,760 I love it. 408 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:48,200 And then Chelsea, I saw somebody post a telegram link for this stuff and this was the first 409 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,280 video that popped up on the Tartaria and History Channel Telegram. 410 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,040 This gave me the vibes of this channel immediately. 411 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,320 Hey, everybody. 412 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,800 I could not find out how to turn videos in telegram into audio for the podcast. 413 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,000 So I have to describe this video to you now. 414 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,760 This man is asked about his thoughts on the solar eclipse coming on April 8th. 415 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:18,920 His first statement is that you should not take any glasses or light filters from anybody. 416 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:24,560 You should just stare directly at the solar eclipse because he did it last time for 20 417 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,440 straight minutes and that was the most beautiful thing he's ever done. 418 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,840 It goes on from there, but I kid you not, that is actually what he is saying. 419 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,440 Please go find this video. 420 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,080 It is just ridiculous. 421 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,640 I really wanted to include this video, so sorry I wasn't able to figure this out. 422 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,040 Also, in case it's not very apparent based on how I just described this, you should never 423 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,680 look directly at the solar eclipse unless you have protective eyewear that is certified 424 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,880 for looking at a solar eclipse. 425 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,360 That's the first video is, hey, you can look straight at a solar eclipse. 426 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:59,120 So that's the world this conspiracy theory inhabits. 427 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:00,120 Tartaria. 428 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:01,120 Okay. 429 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,120 Oh, yes. 430 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,120 Okay. 431 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,120 Yeah. 432 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:06,720 Why is that even posted on there about Tartaria? 433 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,720 I don't know. 434 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,000 I can't even figure who this guy is because now I want to do an episode on him, but I have 435 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,000 no idea who he is. 436 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,880 He's just looking straight at the eclipse. 437 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,080 Yeah, so that's Tartaria and the mudflod. 438 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,280 I was hoping for so much more, but there's just nothing behind this. 439 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:29,640 So I decided what is an episode about a lost civilization if we don't rope in a genocide 440 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,640 of sorts. 441 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:37,000 So I think this is somewhat be connected to the Hometic hypothesis, which Chelsea, I 442 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,440 don't think you've ever heard this term know I had a few kids. 443 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,600 One of them was Ham. 444 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,800 His name was Ham. 445 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,240 One of them was Sam. 446 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,640 That's where the semites come from. 447 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,680 They're about meatloaf. 448 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,680 No meatloaf. 449 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,680 Ham. 450 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,680 No meatloafites. 451 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,960 But anyhow, when we're discovering the world as Europeans, there was always rumors of white 452 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,200 civilizations being out there. 453 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,240 And the theory was proposed that this can all be traced back to Ham, one of Noah's kids 454 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,760 who spread off to Africa. 455 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,120 And it's called the Hometic theory or Hometic hypothesis that that's why there were white 456 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,920 tribes in Africa. 457 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,920 Sounds scientific. 458 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,920 Yeah. 459 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,240 And I kind of feel like you can at the end of the day draw this back to too is the idea 460 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600 of they're just being large civilization out there. 461 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,840 Like it kind of feels like because it's world spanning, they're just saying it's like this 462 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,680 big European federation or European civilization that was all over the world before we got 463 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,680 there. 464 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,680 Does it not? 465 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,680 Yeah. 466 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,240 So I looked a bit at the Hometic hypothesis and it turns out that Rwanda, this theory took 467 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,920 quite a hold there and the Tutsi population actually said that they originate from Ham 468 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,960 and they're originally from white people. 469 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,720 That's where their tribe comes from. 470 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,280 Part of this racial difference with the Tutsis ends up leading to the Rwanda genocide of 471 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:59,000 the Tutsi people where I have 100 to 800,000 people were machete down in the streets. 472 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Yeah. 473 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000 What? 474 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,000 Yeah. 475 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,000 That's crazy. 476 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000 I was very surprised when I learned that. 477 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,400 I'm not sure what to do with this information. 478 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,920 That is insane. 479 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,400 I think that's where I'm going to leave that off. 480 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,400 Okay. 481 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,400 Thank you. 482 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,800 I don't have much more. 483 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,800 That's it. 484 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,800 What? 485 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,800 Okay. 486 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,520 I don't know what to do with that information. 487 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,800 I mean, I know what to do with the mud flood information. 488 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,040 The QAnon theories are just insane. 489 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,040 Yeah. 490 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,160 Sorry, I put that little curveball in at the end. 491 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,680 I just felt like I couldn't do an episode about a lost civilization without getting 492 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,480 a genocide in there. 493 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,720 Sure enough, this one I feel is close enough to actually put it in there. 494 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,600 They do really all connect the genocides together. 495 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Yeah. 496 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Really. 497 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,600 Outside of that. 498 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,960 I'm glad you brought it back. 499 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,960 It just seems like mud flood. 500 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,960 Okay. 501 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,960 I have to remember. 502 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,960 People having fun on TikTok. 503 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,920 Yeah, it's like, because nobody seems to want to explain the mud flood. 504 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,920 They just know. 505 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,600 No, TikTok theories are the best. 506 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,680 We should do more TikTok theories because it's literally just like a couple second videos 507 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,600 set to like some like spooky music or something. 508 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,360 And then you get so into the music and they say it really nice. 509 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,960 And you're like, oh yeah, I'm totally behind this conspiracy theory. 510 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840 And then you lay it out like you do in the real world. 511 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,280 And then you're like, oh fuck. 512 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,280 Yeah. 513 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,920 Or if you give somebody more than a minute, man, are they going to screw it up apparently? 514 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,400 Now what I'm wondering why mud flood? 515 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,400 Why? 516 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,720 What that has no bearing on it. 517 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,840 It doesn't seem. 518 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,080 On Tartaria or? 519 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,080 Yeah. 520 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Like why, why, where does the mud come from? 521 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Well the mud is because all the old photos just seem to be one muddy and two things seem 522 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,480 to be slightly below ground. 523 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,440 So they're literally just like, this could be the only explanation. 524 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,560 Mud came through and put this below ground. 525 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,480 So they're using it as a pre-mud like post-mud. 526 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,480 Yeah, basically. 527 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080 Now we're a lot cleaner. 528 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,600 There's a lot less mud these days, but we have these weird buildings that seem like 529 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,880 they came from before the mud. 530 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,880 Yeah. 531 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,880 Okay. 532 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,480 I'm glad you understand the theory. 533 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,680 I'm sorry to anyone who is listening to this thinking this could really be something, but 534 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,280 they kind of sound like idiots. 535 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,680 But a fun theory nonetheless. 536 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,800 Yeah, no, that was definitely fun. 537 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,240 I guess that's what I have to say. 538 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,960 And yeah, I hope you guys had a good time for this ride. 539 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,360 I was hoping for so much more out of this one. 540 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:33,320 I kept pushing this episode off because I'm like, the script isn't coming together. 541 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,040 But like I said, we're not paid to do this. 542 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,560 So I'm not going to throw out my research. 543 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,800 So you watch the Tik Tok and you're like, holy shit, this could really be something. 544 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,800 There's something. 545 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,400 I was thinking this would be a great episode. 546 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,640 I'm sure there's something put into this. 547 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,200 And boy did it disappoint. 548 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,200 Yeah. 549 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,280 Not a mudflat believer. 550 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,680 Not a mudflat believer. 551 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,680 That's where I ended up. 552 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,880 You guys can do whatever you want. 553 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,280 I probably will judge though. 554 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,000 In the end, you really can do what you want. 555 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Yeah. 556 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,360 And that's what we should leave this on. 557 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,080 Nobody has unfortunately given us that power yet. 558 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Just probably don't commit a genocide. 559 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,000 And what was it, Ham? 560 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000 A medic hypothesis. 561 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Yeah, that one. 562 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,120 I'm not sure where I was going with that, but this seems like a good place to end it. 563 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,120 Yeah. 564 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,920 And with that, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 565 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,560 We are Journey to the Fringe. 566 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,680 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 567 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,680 Bye. 568 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,120 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 569 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:40,280 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 570 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