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OK, Chelsea, I have a choice for you and I'm going to try to keep it as vague as possible.

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Do we want an AI episode?

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Do we want a follow up on a previous news article I've gone over?

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Or do we want?

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I just seem to see if I saved this one.

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I did not save it.

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Do we want AI or do we want a follow up?

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I want the one not saved. Damn it.

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I can find it real quick, actually.

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No, let's do the follow up. Damn it.

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Fine, just so you know, the one that I didn't save the title is Florida Bill

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would make it easier to kill bears on crack.

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But what? OK, no, let's do.

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No, no, no, that's we got to go this way.

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No, no, no. Damn it.

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OK, do you remember that school shooting that we covered was over a year ago now?

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Wait, school shooting?

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Yeah, and it was because the parents ended up getting charged with manslaughter

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associated with it.

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Vaguely. OK, well, this article will give you a bit of an update on it

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so that we can all follow along.

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Oh, wait, yeah, I do remember now.

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That was a while ago.

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Yeah, it might be even season one for us.

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Well, that source I wanted to use just isn't working for me.

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So we're just going to go with MSN article.

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This is a story by Nick Logan published on February 12th, 2024.

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Title, the mother of school shooter was convicted of manslaughter.

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What does this mean for other cases?

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A Michigan mother could face up to 60 years in prison

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after a jury convicted her on Tuesday on four counts of involuntary

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manslaughter after her teenage son killed four students in a school shooting in 2021.

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Prosecutors argued Michigan law compelled Jennifer Crumpley

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to prevent her then 15 year old son, Ethan, from harming others.

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And the jury in the case agreed.

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Now 17, Ethan is serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to murder

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and terrorism charges in October 2022.

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Jennifer Crumpley's conviction is a first of its kind verdict

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in the U.S. school shooting case, raising questions about the extent

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to which a parent can be held responsible for the criminal actions of their child.

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Legal experts say it could have broader implications

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for the U.S. criminal justice system.

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Short-faced criminal lawyer Michael Belotta believes

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the jury's manslaughter verdict was an overreach, saying he thought

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that the trial would have ended in a not guilty verdict or a hung jury.

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I have a problem with the legal concept of parents causing their children

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to commit crimes, try being bad parents, he said.

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And that's what I think this case represents.

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And that's the dangerous part.

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This isn't the first time in the U.S.

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that a parent has been charged with gun violence.

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The mother of a six year old boy in Virginia who took a nine millimeter

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semi-automatic handgun to school and shot his teacher last year

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serving a 21 month prison sentence on various felony firearm convictions.

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And she was sentenced separately in November to two years in prison.

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There's also the case of a father in Illinois who pleaded guilty last fall

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to seven counts of misdemeanor felony conduct for signing a state firearm

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owner identification card for his son, despite concerns about his behavior.

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His son was underage at the time, but he was legally allowed to possess

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the firearm three years later when he was accused of killing seven people

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in a mass shooting at a Fourth of July parade in 2022.

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In Jennifer Crumbley's case, prosecutors argued that even though she didn't

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pull the trigger, she stored the gun in ammunition in a negligent manner

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and should be held criminally responsible for the four deaths.

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Prosecutors also said her and her husband, New Ethan, was mentally

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in a downward spiral and posed a danger to others, yet allowed him

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access to firearms, including the nine millimeter pistol that purchased

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as his Christmas present, and that was used to kill his classmates.

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To testify in her own defense, saying her husband was responsible

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for securely storing firearms in the family home and that while her

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son had been anxious about getting into college and what he would do with his life,

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she did not think this problem merited seeing a psychiatrist.

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I think that's far enough to go.

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Please go read the article.

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I think there's a few things that it leaves out so far that we need to remember.

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The school told them repleted times.

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They were worried about this child.

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He needs therapy, which they said, no, fuck off.

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The day of the school shooting, the principal called and said, your kid

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can't be in school right now.

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We think he's a threat to others.

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They refused to come pick him up and told them that he needs to be in class that day.

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Right. Yeah.

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They were the one that bought him the gun.

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And when they heard there was a school shooting going on at his school,

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they texted the son, don't do it.

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Right. Yeah.

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I remember that now and I think they very clearly knew their son was going to do it.

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While there's some things that I think are obviously going to be out of your control,

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these are specifically negligent actions and even supplying a weapon knowing

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that there could potentially be a problem.

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Yeah. Knowing there's a problem.

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Yes. And I think it's important to remember, too.

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The parents like ran away and went into hiding after the shooting happened.

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And it took days to actually find them.

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They were trying to get into Canada to like run away.

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But we don't have guts in Canada.

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Well, we do, but not in the way of the United States.

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Well, they were trying to escape prosecution.

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But yeah, that's I thought we should do a follow up on that because it's been a long time since we talked about it.

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I found it very interesting.

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Sorry, mate. Did I miss it?

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Did they actually go to course?

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She has. Yeah.

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She was found guilty.

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She hasn't been sent.

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I'm serving. Oh, OK.

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So her son and husband both pled guilty.

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So they're in jail right now.

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She pled not guilty and was just found guilty.

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And now they have to do a sentencing.

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OK. But yeah, in cases where you are very clearly neglectful as a parent to the point where it drives a child to basically do this,

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you're going to be held responsible.

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And I think that's a reasonable approach.

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Yeah, I think especially when it comes to a minor.

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Yeah. And yeah, some philosophical things to think about in the next 48 hours.

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We'll see you on Friday.

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Let's stop. Bye.