1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,000 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,220 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where rules are vaguely stated, but ardently 3 00:00:18,220 --> 00:00:19,220 adhered to. 4 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:24,340 We are your internally consistent podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea, and today, Chelsea has 5 00:00:24,340 --> 00:00:31,340 assured me that this is going to be a fun quote winging it episode. 6 00:00:31,340 --> 00:00:35,000 We're going to say that. 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Yes. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,400 I was going to keep it a secret, but now that you're all into it. 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,640 This is, Chelsea assures me it is a professional episode. 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,400 Yes, professional as always, just like my last Fringey Meanie that was grossly out of 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,400 date. 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,280 I do also like those too, but this week, we're celebrating my love of heritage minutes. 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:00,200 And this one will be a heritage minute on Canadian cryptids because you know, knowledge 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,200 is power. 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:08,480 And I feel like in that power of your knowledge, Canadian spooky things must be in that realm 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,760 of knowledge. 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,840 I think that all came out coherently. 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,840 Yeah. 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,880 I mean, you know, our Canadian ghosts and geese. 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,960 Now you should know the other things too. 21 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:19,960 There's a lot more than I thought there was. 22 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:28,760 We live in an amazing land far and wide of some lake monsters, millions of lake monsters. 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,440 We have so many lakes and monsters in each of them. 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,440 At least one. 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Yeah. 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,000 At least one. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,240 We also got land, sky, sea creatures for multiple forms of variations of Sasquatch. 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,960 We have more than one Sasquatch. 29 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:49,360 I just know Sasquatch because Sasquatch is the guy that lives in my woods in my backyard. 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,880 But there's other ones. 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,440 We have the chinu. 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,280 I don't think Toronto is what I meant to type there. 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,760 So to be announced, whether or not that's a thing, we have the tachone, I think is how 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:02,760 it's pronounced. 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Some of our country's French. 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,880 So sometimes I don't know the words. 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,480 We also have the lake monsters, Ogopogo, Champ, Memphra, Kay. 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Kay is one, I guess, to name a few. 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,480 We've even covered, if you have been past, we've covered Sasquatch and Caddy. 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,600 Do you remember Caddy? 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,000 He's the one in Oak Bay off Victoria, the sea monster. 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,200 Yeah, at Pearl Bay. 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Yeah. 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Today is the Canadian cryptids time to shine. 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,800 Anything you're hoping to see here today, Taylor? 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,720 There's one that I learned about a long time ago, but I can't remember its name. 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,720 But it's just like a giant pair of pants. 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Kind of like the Fresno monster, but gianter. 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,320 But I don't think we're going to see it. 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,800 And it's in BC, yeah. 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,800 But what? 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,800 No, I didn't even know. 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:48,800 I was curious. 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,080 He looked for it for a long time. 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,760 I saved it, but I think I saved it a long ago. 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,480 It was on one of the cryptid subreddits. 57 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Yeah, but it was one post and I could never find it again. 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,360 So if anyone listening has heard it, please send it to us. 59 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,360 Like a giant pair. 60 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,360 What are they doing? 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,600 Like it was towering over the trees. 62 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Yeah. 63 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,960 And it glowed in the dark. 64 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,960 Like just, yeah. 65 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:12,960 Yeah. 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,480 It just gets crazier. 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,120 We should adopt that in our national anthem. 68 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,560 We have so many cryptids. 69 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,880 I was going to do Wendigo, but that's its whole entire episode on its own. 70 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,920 And I feel like we just did Skinwalker not too long ago. 71 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:34,120 So I wanted to do this one, even though I just did Canadian episodes not that long ago. 72 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,120 But hey, I live here. 73 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,120 I can. 74 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,560 So yeah, I put some things from the Canadian archives, some of the less famous and popular 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,240 cryptids and give them their time to shine. 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Some are longer, some are shorter. 77 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Yeah, it's a winged in an episode. 78 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,440 So who are we to judge? 79 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:54,200 I'm going to start off with the Uggwug and he hails from St. John New Brunswick. 80 00:03:54,200 --> 00:04:00,380 He's a cryptid of an unusual sort, which as usual is a reflection of its environment. 81 00:04:00,380 --> 00:04:05,080 So this takes place in reversing falls and it's one of the only places in the world where 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:10,200 the severe tides cause the river to literally change directional flow twice a day. 83 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,520 So this would be close to the Bay of Fundy, which has the highest tides in the world, 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,520 I believe. 85 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,840 Yeah, I'd love to travel there one day. 86 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:24,520 Every day water from the St. John River rushes through the narrow rock gorge and into the 87 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:31,240 Bay of Fundy at 100,000 tons per second, which is I can't even fathom that amount of water, 88 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,200 only to be pushed back up the gorge at high tide. 89 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,800 These turbulent tides have carved out cave systems and the rock cliffs around St. John 90 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,040 and in these caves is said to dwell a sea monster called the Uggwug. 91 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,120 Very creative. 92 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,960 It is said that you can see him or her in the spring when the moon is full and the tide 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,960 is out. 94 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:56,440 He, her, is described as a seal, salmon, hybrid, 30 meters in length, and most times the Uggwug 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,880 is seen in the waters of reversing falls, but it has also been reported to walk up on 96 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,880 the land. 97 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,920 I'm assuming you can't see him. 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,920 Yeah. 99 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Would it walk on its tail? 100 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,880 Up right? 101 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,800 It says walk, so I'm assuming it's walking upright like a humanoid. 102 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:15,800 But it's like back fins. 103 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Like I'm picturing like a seal walking that way. 104 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,120 I guess seal salmon would not have legs. 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,720 So maybe flip, maybe it's doing that like roll thing that seals does, but I wouldn't 106 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,720 call that walking. 107 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:28,720 No. 108 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,200 So it has legs. 109 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,040 I just decided for it right now. 110 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,240 And I'm assuming people aren't seeing this when the tide is like violently coming in 111 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,240 and out. 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Like that would kill a person easy. 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Not sure about Nugwug though, so also to be announced. 114 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:49,280 A handful of written sources variously claim that the creature is an old Inuit legend and 115 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,520 that the story dates all the way back to the Champlain era. 116 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,320 Do you know what that era is by any chance? 117 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Louis Champlain. 118 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,520 He was one of the explorers. 119 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,520 In Canada? 120 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,520 Yeah. 121 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Okay. 122 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,520 When would that have been? 123 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,040 In the 1900s I'm pretty sure. 124 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Okay. 125 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,400 So I do have some sightings. 126 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,680 Oh, Samuel's Champlain. 127 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:08,680 Sorry. 128 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,880 Apparently I do not know it at all. 129 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:11,880 1500s, huh? 130 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:12,880 Okay. 131 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:13,880 So none of what you get. 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:14,880 Sorry. 133 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:15,880 Nope. 134 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,040 But that's okay. 135 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,040 You made a guess at it. 136 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,320 I just said I don't know what that is. 137 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,200 So we're lacking on the Canadian stuff that is not cryptid ghosts or anything. 138 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,200 Guys got a good goatee combo. 139 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,200 Mustache and little goatee. 140 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,200 He does? 141 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,200 I got to look at this. 142 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,200 What's his name? 143 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,200 Samuel? 144 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Jay Champlain. 145 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Yes, he looks like an Elgrim without the hat but with a good goatee combo. 146 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,240 I feel like I've seen this guy somewhere before. 147 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,760 Maybe it was just a popular combo of Mustache. 148 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,760 It could in fact also be from history's class or social studies. 149 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,000 This is very well groomed facial hair. 150 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Very well. 151 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,560 I have to give him that. 152 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Incredible. 153 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,560 Impeccable. 154 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Okay. 155 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Quote. 156 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,560 This is a sighting. 157 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,480 A sighting of what's it called again? 158 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,480 Uggmug. 159 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,480 Uggmug. 160 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:05,480 Uggmug. 161 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,080 What he was brought to the surface, his hair had turned chalk white from the experience 162 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,080 when he had... 163 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,680 I feel like I just jumped in at the end of a sighting. 164 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,920 I'm going to roll with it. 165 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,120 What he was brought to the surface, his hair had turned chalk white from the experience 166 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,920 of what he had seen in the murky depth. 167 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,560 What the man saw will never be known for he refused to tell what he had seen and died 168 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:33,560 soon afterwards. 169 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,880 I mean, this is what you get with a... 170 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,880 That's not really a sighting, is it? 171 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,880 No, it is not. 172 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,880 This is what you get with this sort of episode. 173 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,800 Another story describes our man, Drew, in Laolar Lake. 174 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,800 I don't... 175 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,800 What? 176 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:52,800 How is this even related? 177 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Is there a chance that the lake is connected to that river that flows backwards? 178 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Let's see if it tells us, quote, the body of water reported to be bottomless along present 179 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:10,120 day Rathasay Road, and his body was found weeks later on a ledge of the limestone gorge 180 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,120 at the falls. 181 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,600 It's somehow related, so... 182 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Wait, person's body or Uggmug's body? 183 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,960 Okay, I think... 184 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,520 No, this would be the body of a person. 185 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,560 But then I have the same sentence again right under it, so I'm just going to leave that. 186 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,760 They need to be emphasized. 187 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,120 Oh, this is a mess. 188 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,000 I thought I had a good one in here. 189 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,200 Okay, let's see. 190 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:40,360 Okay, Dr. David D. Archibald wrote an essay about the creature back in the 1950s and theorized 191 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,920 that there are, quote, underwater caverns which extend for many miles from one place 192 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:45,920 to another. 193 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,200 The caves, he claims, are also home to a strange amphibian creature first recorded by 194 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,320 hunters who noticed it following in the wake of the fish. 195 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,320 Not because it's resemblance to both the salmon and a seal and amphibious because becoming 196 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,800 quite friendly with them. 197 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,800 It would occasionally venture from its ocean layer and sit on the banks of the river basin. 198 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,680 Okay, so this guy doesn't have a sighting. 199 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:10,680 He has a... 200 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:13,520 He's conveying other people's sightings then. 201 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,120 Yes, yeah. 202 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:21,560 Because of its affinity for both land and humans, the Eskimos christened the equinoxical visitor 203 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,560 Uggmug, meaning the friendly animal. 204 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:30,120 Uggmug, Archibald writes, is still found in the lower basin below the whirlpools and will 205 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,120 appear during certain times of the year if one employs the following definite method. 206 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,560 The time must be early in the spring during the shad run. 207 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,680 The tide must be on the ebb. 208 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,840 Remember that time and tide wait for no man. 209 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,680 And there are two other essential ingredients, an evening full of moonlight and court full 210 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:50,000 of moonshine. 211 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,760 After all necessities have been given proper attention, the Uggmug will appear. 212 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,480 So you gotta get like just hallowed. 213 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,480 Yeah. 214 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,680 A court of moonshine? 215 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:02,680 No, it's saying in a full moon. 216 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:03,680 Hold on. 217 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:05,680 No, it's saying moonshine. 218 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:06,680 Yeah. 219 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:15,360 Um, yep, you did interpret that correct. 220 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,720 That's what makes them appear, for sure, to be sure. 221 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,880 So I'm going to be honest, the sightings were a mess on this one because it didn't really 222 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,720 seem like there was many sightings other than the random guy who appeared with the light 223 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,720 here. 224 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,280 And then they just want to say anything and died. 225 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Good for him. 226 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,280 They just want to say anything. 227 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,440 I mean, I'm just going to leave it. 228 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,440 This episode is going to be a real thing. 229 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,440 I'm going to say real. 230 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,640 I'm going to say real too. 231 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,040 I'm pretty sure, I mean, don't look into it if you want to keep your belief that it's 232 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,040 real. 233 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,000 Scientists assure us there's sightings out there. 234 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Yeah, which is a good reminder to put into always do your research because I do leave 235 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,440 things out, especially when it says it's not real. 236 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,480 I want to keep it alive for you guys. 237 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Okay. 238 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,040 The next one is the Interac, which I am probably pronouncing perfectly. 239 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,640 The Interac is a shape shifting creature that kidnaps children. 240 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,000 And I'm hoping the Interac is a little more organized than the Ugg walk. 241 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,360 He was chaotic. 242 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,400 After kidnapping someone, it will then hide them away and abandon them. 243 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,800 If the children can convince the Interac to let them go, they can use a nook shuck of 244 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,640 stone to find their way home. 245 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,880 It can sometimes be helpful or at other times, fatally deceptive. 246 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,840 Although they are generally depicted as half man, half caribou monster, an Interac can 247 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,040 shape shift into any form it chooses. 248 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,080 I'm just curious, like which half human and which half caribou? 249 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,080 It doesn't matter. 250 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,080 I guess it's all in the hands of the Interac. 251 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Like human. 252 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,080 Human hands. 253 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Yeah. 254 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,080 And human face. 255 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,080 Yeah. 256 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,080 And then the rest caribou. 257 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,200 Human hands, caribou hooves. 258 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Human face. 259 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,200 And that's it. 260 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,200 Just all caribou from there. 261 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,200 Yeah. 262 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,400 I mean, either way is creepy. 263 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:05,080 And I would prefer if I was to shape shift into one, probably to keep my upper half. 264 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,920 I feel like that's the important half. 265 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,320 And then just have like your boob butt. 266 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Do you really want to learn to walk as a bipedal ungulate? 267 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,720 I feel like as long as I have this brain, that could be fine. 268 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Because you get the caribou brain as well. 269 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,520 If you take that half, right? 270 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,520 Yeah. 271 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,520 That's a fair point. 272 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,880 There's no, like you wouldn't be able to do it. 273 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,520 I feel like with the caribou. 274 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Because then how is the caribou going to figure out how to walk with these legs? 275 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,240 I really, sorry. 276 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,920 I just need to get an AI generation of a half man, half caribou. 277 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Can you send that to me when you're ready? 278 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 I just need to figure out which one will actually let me do that. 279 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Yeah, see what one AI comes up with. 280 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,200 When out hunting, the idrat can be seen in the corner of your eye, but will disappear 281 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,760 when any attempts to see it straight on. 282 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,360 And that makes it very elusive, which is a paranormal thing that things only appear out 283 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,960 of the corner of your eye. 284 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,440 One of the most noted places in the Arctic for sightings of these shape shifters is the 285 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:08,080 Freeman's Cove area of Tuktas-Servik, which is a place they hunt caribou. 286 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,520 Bathurst Island. 287 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,520 That's way up. 288 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,240 The rich oasis is surrounded in a horseshoe pattern by dormant volcanic mountains. 289 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,240 That's pretty cool. 290 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:21,520 Historically, Freeman's Cove is most notable as a stopover for the ship to intrepid, and 291 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,640 also for the failed attempts by the infamous modern day explorer and eccentric Cory K. 292 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,600 Boat at Settlement. 293 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,520 The idrat are said to inhabit a place between two worlds, not quite inside this one, nor 294 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,120 quite out of it. 295 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Inuit further south than the north, bath and group used to hold to the belief that some 296 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Inuit went too far north in a chase for game, and became trapped between the world of the 297 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,920 dead and the world of the living, and thus became the idrat. 298 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,640 The Inuit that are settled in Resolute Bay and Grease Fjord are these shape shifters 299 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,760 or shadow people because they went too far north. 300 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,040 Some elders will avoid being in the presence of extreme northern Inuit fearing that they 301 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,720 are evil idrat. 302 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,680 The home of the idrat is said to be cursed, and one will lose their way no matter how 303 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,600 skilled or familiar with the land. 304 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Boat and his wife Inugu were said to be out hunting once in the small peninsula across 305 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,600 the bay from Freeman's Cove, and Boat, despite being a renowned navigator, became completely 306 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,600 turned around. 307 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,360 While he and his wife had been there before, and they could clearly see the camp where 308 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,520 their children were on the horizon, Boat had to closely follow the trail of disturbed shale 309 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,040 and rock to get back. 310 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,280 It is thought by many that this temporary disorientation was due to the influence of 311 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,640 the idrat. 312 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,440 When Inugu and Boat finally returned to their children, they discovered a polar bear was 313 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,760 circling the camp sizing their children up for a meal. 314 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:50,800 A local hunter with considerable local knowledge, Mark Amarulik, also of Resolute Bay, was said 315 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,640 to have experienced disorientation in the same place on a hunting trip a year before. 316 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:00,880 The Inuit believed the idrat do this to confuse Inuit people and to keep them from moving 317 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,400 into their areas. 318 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,120 That's the idrat. 319 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,840 How did you come up with AI? 320 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,320 Well, I'm fairly disappointed in the AI art generation. 321 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,320 Yeah, I'm at AI. 322 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,720 I just made it a caribou. 323 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:17,400 So unless humans are more caribou than I was first led to believe, they're gonna give 324 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,160 it one more chance here. 325 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,760 But so far I've been four for four for just a year. 326 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,160 You have to give AI such specific commands, but I think sometimes it has no idea what 327 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,160 you're talking about. 328 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Oh, okay. 329 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,360 Yeah, it has no idea, because this is a man riding a caribou. 330 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:39,120 And then an old man sitting with a caribou, which man, the AI has no idea how to do horns. 331 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Okay, I couldn't remember if we covered this one before. 332 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,720 You might have. 333 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,320 I'm gonna, one sec, I'm just gonna share this because this is my best feeling of what 334 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,920 it might look like. 335 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,120 Okay, that's your best feeling. 336 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Hey, that's just a large caribou with a man on it or a regular caribou with a small man 337 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,560 on it. 338 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,080 I'm gonna try one more time. 339 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,320 Oh yeah, you have like a nice caribou head there. 340 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Okay, I don't know if we covered this one. 341 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,160 This one's called the Loop Guru. 342 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,360 Have you heard of it? 343 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,760 I don't think so now. 344 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:20,440 In this one, the story goes in 1766 to 1767, Quebec City was being terrorized. 345 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,520 Newspaper reports from the time tell the story that an unknown baker had come to town only 346 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,480 to transform into a wolf-like creature and attack unsuspecting people. 347 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,520 The Loop Guru is believed to be a cursed man. 348 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,760 In the French-Canadian tradition, a Loop Guru is often guilty of not being a good Christian. 349 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,600 For example, people who did not confess during Easter could be cursed to become werewolves. 350 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Sorry for the laughter I'm looking at AI's interpretation of a caribou human. 351 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,720 The spell could last for as long as 101 days. 352 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,360 It would take hold of the victim every evening. 353 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,360 21 days? 354 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,360 101. 355 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,360 101, Jesus. 356 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Yeah, exactly. 357 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,400 They were forced to wander the countryside in animal form. 358 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,720 Oh god. 359 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,080 The spell might be broken if someone recognized the individual while transformed and could 360 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,040 draw blood from the animal. 361 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,560 Neither person could speak of this incident for fear of worse reprisals. 362 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,320 The Loop Guru however differ from your typical werewolf as they can not just take on the 363 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,560 form of a wolf but also an ox, small calf, pig, cat, or owl. 364 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,880 These shapeshifters are said to only be killed by hanging, beheading, or typically a silver 365 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,560 bullet sometimes by being executed in a playground outside of an abandoned school in Saskatchewan. 366 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,520 Man, she is way more in touch with Canadian lore than we knew. 367 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,120 Oh yeah, I know. 368 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:44,040 I specifically relating to the Loop Guru. 369 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Who would have known? 370 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,240 That's a Queen of Canada reference if you didn't know. 371 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,280 Just so you know, those are her task watch apparently writing this caribou. 372 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,440 I love their elf ears. 373 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,800 Watch that giant beavers. 374 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,960 Of course you can't have a Canadian cryptid episode without giant beavers. 375 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:04,240 The beaver is Canada's national animal if you didn't know that, if you're not Canadian. 376 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,200 I don't see how you would not know that if you are Canadian. 377 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,360 Or it's industrious nature. 378 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,520 I didn't know that. 379 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:16,720 But in Manitoba there are whispers of a fearsome water rodent of enormous size. 380 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,560 The giant beaver is said to stand around 5 feet tall on all fours and weigh as much 381 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,960 as an average adult male. 382 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,960 While sightings are scant at best, we do know that the region was once home to a species 383 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,640 of giant beavers some 10,000 years ago that matches these descriptions. 384 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,200 However, as far as we know, these animals became extinct around the same time as the 385 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,280 woolly mammoth. 386 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,920 So maybe we're dealing with de-extinction on this one. 387 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Yeah, I feel like there might be scientists out there saying these things if that's what 388 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040 we're dealing with. 389 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,040 I think. 390 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,040 Yeah. 391 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,880 So we have only a couple left. 392 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,200 This next one is actually one of my favorite ones that I was able to find and it's called 393 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,640 the Adlet and it's another Inuit legend. 394 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:07,440 The story goes that an Inuit woman lived with her father and refused to marry. 395 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,900 Anyone human that is. 396 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:14,080 The woman married a giant dog, as you do when you refuse to marry, said to have white fur 397 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,880 with red spots. 398 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:24,200 If that wasn't gross enough, the two produced 10 offspring. 399 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:29,680 Five of which were dogs and the other five were referred to as Adlet, which are bipedal 400 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,960 dogs that walked upright, but the lower part was dog and the upper part was human. 401 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:35,960 Wow. 402 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 There's an orca jumping into that orca's mouth. 403 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Yes. 404 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:46,520 Obviously, her father was aghast at this front against nature and tried to kill the Adlet. 405 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:51,440 Since the dog husband does not go hunting, apparently he's pretty lazy. 406 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,840 The children were very hungry. 407 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:59,080 So the wife's father had to provide for the noisy of all descriptors household. 408 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,720 I guess finally decision is made to put them in a boat and take them to a small island 409 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,320 telling the dad dog to come get meat daily. 410 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,800 So the wife of the dog hangs a pair of boots around the neck of the dog to swim ashore, 411 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,880 but the dad of the wife of the dog puts rocks in the boots and the dog husband drowns. 412 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,920 I hope you're following me here. 413 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:27,000 Now having to be avenged, the dog wife sends the Adlet to gnaw off her father's hands 414 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000 and feet. 415 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,400 That's incredible. 416 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,040 In return, I'm talking about your picture. 417 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,520 In return, the father kicks the daughter overboard and blah blah blah I feel like you're barely 418 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,520 holding on at this point. 419 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,960 It's a very complicated story. 420 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,640 And he cuts off her fingers and they turn into wales and seals. 421 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,080 Just when you thought you couldn't comprehend the story quite enough. 422 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,480 Apparently she doesn't die because she is fearful that the father will kill the little 423 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,280 abomination so she sends them inland and the full on dogs. 424 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,800 She sends those across the ocean to boat and they became Scandinavian ancestors. 425 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,600 The half dog, half human go inland in Canada and they become their own tribe. 426 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,000 So if you didn't follow me too long didn't read. 427 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,680 There was a wife that married a dog. 428 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,760 They had babies. 429 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,160 Some of them were dog babies. 430 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Some of them were like centaurs of dogs, half dog, half human. 431 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,520 They will. 432 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,320 There's a big battle. 433 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,640 Murder was involved. 434 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,960 The dog, the human dog babies went inland in Canada. 435 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,480 That's where they live now. 436 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,680 Some of their parents are dead and they become their own tribe. 437 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,080 So that's the all in all of it. 438 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,800 It is said that the ad let are cannibalistic bloodthirsty creatures that are adept at 439 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,760 running on top of the snow. 440 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,800 Although this is often seen as a myth, there are rumors of strange bipedal wolves running 441 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,240 around the Arctic. 442 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,440 Spoken in hush tones around the locals. 443 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,840 I'm sorry I read that wrong. 444 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Okay. 445 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,520 This is often seen as a myth. 446 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,800 There are rumors of strange bipedal wolves running around the Arctic. 447 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Okay. 448 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Last up. 449 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,320 You're making some very weird art. 450 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,840 The Toronto Tunnel Monster. 451 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,640 Once upon a time in Toronto, Toronto once had a bunch of streams and waterways that were 452 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,560 built over as the city expanded becoming underground waterways. 453 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,800 Did you know this? 454 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,280 I did not know. 455 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,280 You have to look at this. 456 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,600 You have to look at Toronto before it was a city. 457 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,880 I did find a picture of the dog tribe. 458 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,880 You did? 459 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,880 Hold on. 460 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:34,880 Here it is. 461 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,880 Oh yep. 462 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,880 There it is. 463 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,600 Look, they're so well dressed. 464 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Huh. 465 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:46,200 This one has like slave dogs that are normal dogs and then also human dogs. 466 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Okay. 467 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,800 I just sent you the link to actually go look at all the rivers that went underground in 468 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Toronto. 469 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,800 Okay. 470 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:54,800 It's more than you would ever think. 471 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,800 Wow. 472 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,800 So. 473 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Yeah. 474 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,840 The underground waterways were buried beneath Toronto and merged with the sewer systems. 475 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,160 So if you look there, you can get down into them. 476 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,160 You can see them. 477 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,520 They run all under there. 478 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,400 Turns out Toronto prior to all the construction and city being there and whatnot was absolutely 479 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,400 covered. 480 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,080 If you're not looking at this picture right now, absolutely covered with streams and 481 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,560 creeks and rivers. 482 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:26,440 So the answer obviously was to put it underground for the mutants, of course. 483 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,640 The Algonquin tribes of Canada spoke of a man like Harry creature that thrived in the 484 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,840 rivers before they were upgraded to become hidden underground waterways, which was always 485 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,320 their hidden potential. 486 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,040 Their creatures were called the Mem Guessie or the Meimei Guashi. 487 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,880 Their smaller water spirits said to inhabit rivers and riverbanks. 488 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,840 They're generally harmless, but every so often they're prone to blowing canoes astray 489 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,840 or stealing things when they're not shown proper respect. 490 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,840 Yeah, that's him. 491 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,840 Yeah. 492 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,840 When he gets out. 493 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,080 That guy in the back of the police car is really pointing it out. 494 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,560 There he is. 495 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,880 And everyone's like, oh my God, you're right. 496 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,520 In some Ojibwe traditions, Memeguezi can only be seen by children and medicine people. 497 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,000 In others, they can appear to anyone and may help humans who give them tobacco and other 498 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,160 gifts. 499 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,960 Most often, Memguezi are described as being child-sized and Harry with a large head and 500 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,560 a strange voice that sounds like a wine of a dragonfly. 501 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,000 The Kree and Innu describe them as having narrow faces and some menomini storytellers 502 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,360 have said that they have no noses. 503 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:36,840 It's sometimes said that the Memeguezi were originally created from the bark of trees. 504 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,120 Memeguezi are said to carve symbols on rocks and sometimes carve small canoes for themselves 505 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,120 out of stone. 506 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,240 Oh, that's a cool picture. 507 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,400 Some people believe that their name comes from the Ojibwe. 508 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,880 Word for Harry, Memi, since Memeguezi are usually described as having hairy faces and 509 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,880 bodies. 510 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,240 Other people believe that their name is related to the word for butterfly, Memengua. 511 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,440 Anyhow, as a disclaimer, it may or may not be related. 512 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,560 So I have a sighting of this one. 513 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,040 This one is an actual sighting. 514 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,400 I will give you that, unlike the... 515 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,400 Ooh. 516 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,400 The other guy. 517 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,400 The... 518 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,400 Oh, um, guas? 519 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,400 I'm... 520 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,400 Okay, I'll scroll up. 521 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,400 Okay, I'll scroll up. 522 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,400 What? 523 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,400 Let's not worry. 524 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,400 Let's not worry. 525 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,680 August of 1978, a Toronto man had an experience with a strange creature that would forever 526 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,840 change his life. 527 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,240 Ernest was a soft-spoken 51-year-old at the time of his harrowing experience. 528 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,840 He and his wife of 19 years had been raising a litter of kittens. 529 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,080 One of the kittens apparently disappeared and Ernest decided to search for it in the vicinity 530 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,440 of their Parliament Street apartment. 531 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,480 Closed by, he stumbled upon the opening to a dark cave and crawled approximately 10 532 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,640 feet inwards. 533 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,840 This is where he said, I saw a living nightmare that I'll never forget. 534 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,720 I mean, that's probably why you shouldn't just go into random caves in the middle of 535 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,040 the city that you find, miraculously. 536 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,040 Can't say... 537 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,040 I would do that. 538 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Yeah, that's not going to be advised by this podcast. 539 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,880 No, I mean, I don't think I'd be like in the middle of the night like, oh, where'd this 540 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,760 cave come from? 541 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,320 Maybe I should go in it. 542 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,320 No. 543 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,320 So Ernest does. 544 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,280 I guess probably all feelings in his body of danger should not do this. 545 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,280 He goes in. 546 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,480 Armed with only a flashlight, he encountered a creature of unknown origin. 547 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,120 He described the monster as long and thin, almost like a monkey three feet long. 548 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,040 Large teeth weighing maybe 30 pounds was slate grapher. 549 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,800 However, it was the eyes that truly stood out. 550 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,000 Orange and red slanted. 551 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,480 Ernest spoke reluctantly with reporters as to what occurred next. 552 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,480 The creature spoke to him. 553 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,480 I'll never forget it. 554 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,440 He said, it said, go away, go away in a hissing voice. 555 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,240 Then it took off down a long tunnel off to the side. 556 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,400 I got out of there as fast as I could. 557 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,320 I was shaking with fear. 558 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,600 Ernest never approached the media with this story. 559 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,520 He was afraid that people would think that he was drunk or worse, crazy, and felt that 560 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,240 no one would ever believe him. 561 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,680 The Toronto area newspaper Sun found him after hearing about his experience from a reliable 562 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,360 contact who worked with a relative of Ernest. 563 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:11,640 One of a handful of people to whom he had confided the experience, he would agree to 564 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,440 talk only if his last name was not revealed. 565 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,520 Quote, I believe Ernie saw exactly what he says he did. 566 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,840 Says Barbara, Ernie's wife. 567 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,360 Is that the reliable source? 568 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:27,040 He was terrified when he came back to the apartment and he doesn't scare easily. 569 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,080 Obviously, if he's going into random caves by his house he never saw before. 570 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,680 Look, he's been known to have a drink in the past, like most people, and to occasionally 571 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,680 tie one on. 572 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,040 But he's not a drunk and he wasn't drinking at all that day. 573 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,400 Love that comment from the wife. 574 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,200 This is not like his normal drunken story. 575 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,440 This is not a cryptid you need to have like a leader of moonshine to see. 576 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,920 The Toronto Sun did question some of Ernest's relatives and neighborhood acquaintances. 577 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,040 They found that all agreed with and supported Barbara's evaluation of her husband. 578 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520 He does drink, but not that day. 579 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,320 Not that much, and probably not that day. 580 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,720 This is the company by Sun staff returned to the location of a strange sighting in March 581 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,320 of 1979. 582 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,800 The cave's entrance was located at the bottom of a narrow passageway between the building 583 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,160 where he lived and one next door. 584 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,800 Together they found the corpse of a cat, which was half buried in the tunnel. 585 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,920 The sad discovery reminded Ernest of strange noises like animals and pain that he had heard 586 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,280 emanating from the tunnel prior to his frightening encounter. 587 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,000 Ernest showed the Sun reporter exactly where he saw the strange being. 588 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,040 He stated, the last I saw the creature it was heading off into the dark. 589 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,600 The passage seemed to drop down very quickly and go a long way back. 590 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,200 It was speculated that the tunnel in fact led to the sewer system and that the entrance 591 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:51,000 way besides Ernest's apartment was an access point used by the creature to get to the surface. 592 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,440 Safety concerns promoted Toronto's sewer department to thoroughly inspect the tunnel 593 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,280 as it was feared that area children may in fact try to enter it. 594 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,440 This story was very strange however sewage employees did not ridicule or scoff at it according 595 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,280 to the report made by the Toronto Sun at the time. 596 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,480 One worker who was quoted in the paper stated, people who work on the surface just don't 597 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,840 know what it's like down there. 598 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,600 It's a whole different world. 599 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Who would have thought a few years ago that people would live in sewers and yet that's 600 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,920 what they found in New York a few years back. 601 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,600 Another was quoted as saying, I don't know what he saw down there. 602 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,840 He also stated, I'll tell you one thing. 603 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,360 If I could get in there, I sure as hell wouldn't want to go down alone. 604 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,200 Okay, so it does seem to steal a little bit from the idea of like the mole people of New 605 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720 York who live in this. 606 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,400 So there is at least agreement that what this poll that he found did in fact exist. 607 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,240 Oh yeah, because you saw the map. 608 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,040 If you Google like the tunnels underneath Toronto, there's a lot that comes up and I'm 609 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,440 going to send you a picture of this creature. 610 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,320 You can share your screen. 611 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,680 Hold on, everything's going crazy. 612 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Share your screen. 613 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:08,840 Okay, so now I don't want this to seem like a very mundane answer that wasn't explored, 614 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,760 but is there a chance that there was a homeless person living in this duct and he just kind 615 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,280 of got a little surprised? 616 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:22,160 Well yeah, because he said go away, but that does not explain those glowing red eyes. 617 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,160 It does not. 618 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,360 Unless the homeless person was tying one on. 619 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,920 I will say that, as you know, when they are doing that, the rise turned red. 620 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,080 Yes, it's every person from the homeless. 621 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440 So I don't know. 622 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,480 Yeah, so those are some Canadian cryptids. 623 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,200 A lot of them are actually Inuit legends, which I found pretty cool. 624 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,960 A lot of them did mention that. 625 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,200 I am just happy that we were able to get so many pictures out of this episode. 626 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Yeah, which we'll probably post on the socials because there's some good ones. 627 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,960 Yeah, there are real life pictures that need to be shared so you can too picture what our 628 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,320 minds are thinking about these. 629 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880 And yeah, that's my thrown together episode. 630 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,880 Awesome. 631 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Yeah. 632 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,720 And yeah, the beautiful thing about this is we are just a short time away from another 633 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Canadian fringy topic, I think, because there is just a plethora of Canadian frigidness 634 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,440 out there. 635 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,440 There's more than I ever thought possible. 636 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,240 Yeah, like transformers. 637 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,840 You can't go in a lake in Canada without stepping on a cryptid or something like that. 638 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,680 Yeah, in which case they aren't protected yet by law. 639 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880 So you're within your rights. 640 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,880 Yeah, right. 641 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,480 Yeah, no update on that. 642 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,480 No. 643 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,920 Not until we get a decree, unfortunately. 644 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,600 And thank you for this episode. 645 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,640 I have been Taylor, hero Chelsea. 646 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,920 We are Journey to the Fringe. 647 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,880 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 648 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,880 You're welcome. 649 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:51,880 Bye. 650 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