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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where it's always a good reminder that if

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you have to put out statements saying you're not a cult, you're probably a cult.

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Therefore we are your hosts who refuse to answer this question, Taylor and Chelsea.

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Here today, following up on our part one of what I lied about in the first episode and

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what will be a three-part series on the Falun Gong.

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One thing I also forgot to mention in the first episode and now thoroughly confused you on

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which episode you're supposed to be listening to is that this is a litigious group.

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So I'm curious to see if anything comes of this.

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I doubt it.

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We're not big enough for them yet, but we walk a fine line sometimes.

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We do.

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We really do.

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Chelsea, do you remember much of our last episode?

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Not at all.

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Just kidding.

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Yes, I do.

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I guess I just listened to it as well.

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I had to follow up.

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I know.

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I was actually going to say it's not a bad way to do that now.

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We did not record this all in one weekend like we usually do with our part series, but

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it's the week after.

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So here we are.

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Yes.

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This episode is going to focus kind of on that same time period that we were just on.

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The next episode is going to focus more on the present, but for now we're going to focus

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on Falun Gong and the parts I didn't really talk about in the last episode.

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I'm hoping for some answers to be questions.

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No, questions.

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Answers.

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Okay.

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Why did I see that backwards?

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You're actually going to get a lot of answers that you were looking for.

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It's just whether or not they are correct answers.

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There's no way to know for sure.

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Okay.

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I will talk about it where it's conjecture and it's not thoroughly established that

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this took place, but I think it will answer some questions for sure.

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We're going to start with our good friend Lee Hong-Jur.

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Chelsea, do you remember learning much about his past before he started Falun Gong?

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I believe we learned a little bit, didn't we?

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Yeah, we really learned that he was born in the 50s and that he worked for the army as

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a trumpeter.

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That's about it.

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I mean, yeah, we learned something.

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There's actually two competing biographies out there.

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One's published by the Chinese government.

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The other one is published by Lee Hong-Jur himself.

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No longer in print.

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None of those are going to be 100% correct, I feel like.

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It's a good sense of who Lee Hong-Jur says he is and what he's done to start this off.

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It says that Lee began instruction from Taoist and Buddhist masters from a very young age.

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In fact, at age four, he was trained by Tuan Jue, the 10th heir of the Great Law of the

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Buddha School.

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And by age eight, he had acquired, quote, the superb Great Law with supernatural powers.

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And quote.

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That's quite the punishment for a young child.

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Yes.

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At age eight, he gained the power of invisibility and levitation.

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Wow.

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Incredible.

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Written by him, remember.

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I hope that my child does not acquire that talent.

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At least he got eight years to figure it out.

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Master Tuan left him at age 12 to be replaced by a Taoist master, Bajie Jandren.

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And sorry, I don't know the actual pronunciations of these.

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There's no tones on these.

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This is just written in English.

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Wow, I was taking your word for it.

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Bajie Jandren provided instruction on martial arts and physical skills at age 12.

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His third master arrived in 1972 from the Great Wei School, Jendao-Zi.

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And he came from the Changbai Mountains near the North Korean border.

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Unlike Lee's other spiritual tutors, Jendao-Zi wore ordinary attire and taught Lee the way

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of inner cultivation through Qigong.

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Dressing Shinshing, which is the mind or moral character.

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Lee's training in this period mostly took place under the cover of night due to the

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political environment of the Cultural Revolution.

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He finally had a fourth master, a woman from the Buddha school.

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It began instructing him in 1974.

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And after training with these four masters, Lee's quote, energy potency had reached a

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very high level.

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His personal development plateaued around this time with the biography stating that Lee

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was able to quote.

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See the truth of the universe, many more beautiful things which have existed there for a long

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time as well as the origin, development and future of mankind.

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End quote.

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That's his biography.

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Why did he need so many masters?

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Did they just?

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Well, it's to learn from all these different disciplines.

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He had already reached a certain level of Qi where he had superpowers by age eight, but

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he needed to learn all the different aspects.

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It wasn't because he was like biting the other people who were learning.

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Or he no flunked out or something like that.

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Because he's just a child.

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He was like hitting the person problem.

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I need to stress this at this point.

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And this comes from the Fallen info website.

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They stress that they do not worship Lee Hong-chur as a God or as a savior.

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He is just their master.

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As anybody would say, like if you're going to a dojo to learn karate, you have a master.

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He's kind of setting himself up to be like some sort of a deity of some kind.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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And in fact, these are other quotes outside of the information that is available from

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the Falun Gong.

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Lee Hong-chur is regarded in Falun Gong's belief as a type of savior who has come to

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earth to rectify the way and prevent true spiritual teachings from being lost.

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He also believes that Falun Dafa are means to the end of human salvation as the earth

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is entering its last days of moral degeneracy.

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Lee has made at various times claims about his own abilities and nature of the universe.

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He has claimed to possess supernatural powers and insights, considers himself to have reached

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the highest level of cultivation, and he is equipped with various law bodies, which are

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Fa Shen, that allow him to do whatever he wants, such as supervising people, practicing

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Falun Gong, and protecting true practitioners from disaster.

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So, it's like, what is that called?

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Omni-

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Omniscient.

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Or omnipresent.

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This is a really weird one within this cult too.

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People who have left it say that there is a firm belief with people within the group

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that like he is standing in another dimension right behind watching everybody in the group.

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That is terrifying to have that looming over you.

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According to Lee, he is an all-knowing supernatural being aware of the ideas and actions of practitioners,

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even from afar.

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In his teachings, he suggested that he is superior to any Buddha or gods, as those deities

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revealed only parts of the Buddha law, whereas he brings the complete Buddha law to human

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beings for the first time in history.

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And he said that he doesn't claim to be a god?

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The group itself says he is but a master to learn from.

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The group itself.

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I feel like he's really trying to get at something different.

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And he has stated this.

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They downplay it as metaphors.

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It should be known this guy has published five books.

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He has done speaking tours from like 1994 to 2000-ish.

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The transcripts of these speaking tours are fully available online, so you can literally

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see what he has said and see what he has written.

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A lot of the things get downplayed as metaphors, but literal statements.

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Lee has also claimed to be the creator of the cosmos at certain points, positioning himself

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not just as a messenger with new revelations for mankind, but as the originator of the

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cosmos itself, and he has stated that without him the cosmos would not exist, implying a

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level of self-deification.

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Yep, that would do that.

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In his lectures and writings, he has claimed that his fa is more powerful than that of

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Sakyamuni, who is Buddha, and Jesus Christ.

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Specifically, he has stated that his powers are thousands of times stronger than those

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of Jesus Christ, and that he has left humanity a ladder to heaven through his book, Juwan

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Falun.

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Okay, is that a good book?

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I have not read it.

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If you want to read any crazy, I'm sure.

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We're going to get into some of the things in there, and you might actually enjoy it

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just for how much crazy is it.

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Lee Hong-je has largely retreated from the public eye since the year 2000 though, so

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everything we're going to be talking about is basically from 1994-ish to 2000.

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His presence has been primarily electronic since then, and he has communicated mainly

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through writings and quotations on Falun Gong's website.

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His binography, which I talked about earlier with all those masters, was removed from Falun

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Gong's website sometime after 2001, which reflects this trend of reducing his public

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appearance and downplaying the deity stuff.

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Since then, he has rarely made public appearances and does not maintain a high public profile,

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and said he has focused on writing and disseminating his teachings through the Falun Gong's media

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channels and the internet.

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Now, let's talk about those teachings, specifically the more troublesome parts.

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Just the sex stuff, which is not quite as bad as that might sound, but it's still really

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bad.

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Okay, that didn't even come up in the last episode.

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I kind of left it all for this episode.

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So Chelsea, sex is okay in Falun Gong, in the confines of a monogamous heterosexual

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marriage for the purpose of procreation.

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All other sexual acts are immoral.

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Interesting.

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So one thing that gets left out very quickly from that is anything not heterosexual.

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Homosexuality makes one quote unworthy of being human and quote and creates bad karma

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and is comparable to organized crime on the level of immorality.

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He has also taught quote disgusting homosexuality shows the dirty abnormal psychology of the

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gay who has lost his ability of reasoning and quote and that homosexuality is quote

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a filthy deviant state of mind and quote.

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That's crazy.

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So in the first episode of the Swiss Ireland in 1998, Lee stated that the gods quote first

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target of annihilation will be the homosexuals end quote.

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That's a bold state.

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I mean, they're all bold statements that he's making.

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And remember, he's a God.

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So like this is like supposed to be very straightforward.

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Weirdly enough, gay, lesbian and bisexual people are not banned from practicing Falun Gong.

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They are allowed to join the group, but they quote must give up the bad conduct and quote

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of same sex activities.

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It like it still alludes to the fact that they're even with just even having like a

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And that's one thing.

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And he is omniscient so he can see your thoughts and your other body like you're above what

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you're thinking and what's going on.

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So it's yeah, it's troublesome.

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For sure.

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This next one is a little more troublesome.

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Chelsea, I'm just going to read quotes from his lectures.

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This first one comes from a Sydney lecture he gave in 1999 quote.

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The Indian race was created by Buddhas.

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And that's why the dancing of Indians, the way they carry themselves and their hand gestures

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are similar to those of Buddhas.

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Indians really are a race created by Buddhas.

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As far as orientals go, a portion of them were created by Nuwa, while another portion

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were created by Dows.

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Actually to put it more precisely, the earliest race in the early days of North America and

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South America was the Yellow race.

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They're now called people of the Red race, but they're in fact of the Yellow race and

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they were tanned by the sun.

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The people of the true red face or the ancient Egyptians, maybe it's not possible to find

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them now since most of them have mixed their blood with blacks.

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The races of the world are not allowed to be mixed.

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Now the races are mixed up and it has brought about an extraordinarily serious problem.

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Once races are mixed up, one does not have a corresponding relationship with the higher

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levels and he has lost the root.

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Most races have lost their roots and it is as if nobody in the paradise will take care

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of them.

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They belong to nowhere and no places would accept them.

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Therefore you find the place where the continents of Europe and Asia meet a desert in the past

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and a depopulated zone.

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When the transportation means were not advanced, it was difficult to pass through it.

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With the progress of modern means, all of these are broken through.

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Thus races have become increasingly mixed up, which can lead to serious consequences.

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Of course I will not go into details.

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I'm just saying that the higher levels do not recognize such a human race.

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No details.

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No.

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Race mixing is inherently bad.

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It's because there's five root races which I think we've heard before.

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They each have their own gods and corresponding heaven and if you mix two races, they gods

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don't know which heaven you're supposed to go to so you just are not allowed to go to

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heaven.

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You know that's when I haven't heard from for a while that something with multiple gods

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there's not just one god, there's multiple gods.

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So they're getting mixed up.

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They don't know where you go so you might as well just go to hell or something like that.

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Yeah, again this is something that doesn't ban you from learning felon gong and in fact

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they say if you are a mixed race, you can come to them and they'll try to figure out

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which god you're actually supposed to go to so that you can get to heaven still.

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But inherently you are inferior.

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I feel like I'd probably choose a different religion.

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I would feel not welcome there.

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And this actually became a problem.

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I think I'll get into it a little later on but ABC Australian Broadcasting Corporation

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did a large expose where they talked to previous practicers of felon gong.

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If your family gets involved in it and you're a mixed race and get brought into it, it's

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super troublesome.

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They talked to a girl whose mom got into it and therefore the whole family got involved

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and she was part white and part Asian and was always looked down upon within the group.

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She ends up with a lot of problems outside of that.

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But like, as a child you don't really have the thought process to be able to choose religion

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like that or your views like that and to be told that you're inferior because of that

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is just so bizarre.

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Oh yeah, that would make for a lot of problems for that child as an adult.

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Yeah, I think she'll come up again a bit later.

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ABC I'd not known outside of Blui but apparently they do have an investigatory journalist side.

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Who knew?

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Is it Blui?

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It might actually be Bingo.

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I don't know for sure.

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It didn't say.

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Didn't say.

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And of course Chelsea, why you've came and listened to this episode now, let's get into

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the alien stuff.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Lee in the 90s may have repeated claims that aliens are responsible for scientific inventions

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through manipulation of scientists.

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In 1999 he gave an interview to the Time magazine.

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In this interview he attributes the invention of computers and airplanes to aliens and as

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bad things for society as well as war and violence.

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They bring those things.

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Lee purported that in general extraterrestrials also disguise themselves as humans in order

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to corrupt and manipulate humanity but some practitioners only believe that is a metaphor

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that he's talking about again.

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For what exactly I feel like those words are exactly what he thinks.

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Yeah.

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Lee also believes that aliens are attempting to replace humans through a cloning process

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in which human bodies would be cloned with no soul so that aliens can replace the soul

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and inhabit human bodies.

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Again, stated in that Times article.

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Are aliens still welcome though into the Falun Gong?

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No they're bad.

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They're not welcome.

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Okay, this is the first time we've seen them say it's not good but they are not welcome.

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These are all statements that come from this 1999 Times article.

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They're somewhat in the books but very clearly stated to the masses.

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Is this by Lee?

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Aliens are invading the human mind.

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Aliens come from other planets and dimensions.

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Aliens introduce machinery such as computers and airplanes to humans.

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Aliens taught humans modern science.

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Aliens intend to replace humans.

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Aliens cause war.

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Aliens want to take over human bodies because human bodies are the most perfect thing in

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the universe.

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Unless they're mixed race or homosexual.

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And then probably the most bizarre thing that comes out of this interview, they talk about

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the superpowers that he has because of his teachings and he says, oh yeah, enlightened

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beings which you can become through Falun Gong have the ability to levitate among other

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supernatural powers.

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And they ask him like, have you seen people with these powers?

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And he's like, oh yeah, for sure.

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And they ask him who, who has these?

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Who do you think he says?

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Probably like himself, Jesus Christ, like a Buddha or something.

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Other deities, yeah?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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David Copperfield.

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What?

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He says that he saw David Copperfield walk through the Great Wall of China and this was an instance

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of this power being used.

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Hold on, David Copperfield.

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He's a magician.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure what to do with that information.

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Does he know what a magician is?

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I think so, but still, he doesn't.

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Also, he's an example of people who can levitate too.

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What about Chris Angel?

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This is before Chris Angel and again, this is like 2001 prior.

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All of the statements that we have from him.

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Oh my God.

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We do not have a statement on Chris Angel.

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And yeah, if you have access to a computer, which I don't know how you don't, if you're

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listening to this podcast, go read this Times article.

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It is bizarre.

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It's available online.

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So particular David Copperfield.

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Yeah.

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I have all people.

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Not Jesus.

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David Copperfield.

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A magician who was known for like, what are they, slate of hands?

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Illusions.

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Yes.

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He's an illusionist.

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Oh God.

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That is hilarious.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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In 1998, Lee also made statements that he believes alien invaders walk the earth.

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I should also add here that modern science includes evolution as one of the modern sciences

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evils that aliens brought because of course there's five root human species.

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So they can't evolve from anywhere.

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They're just separate beings that have separate gods that brought them there.

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They have to.

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I wanted to finish off this alien part with I referenced the made in China journal in

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that first episode about the ufology study.

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There's a second portion of that article that I now want to reference.

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The most famous element of the popular Qi Gong ufology matrix described here is of course

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the Falun Gong, which entered the QSRA with its leader Lee in July of 1993.

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It is unclear what role this event had in further dividing ufology into what can only

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be described as a two line struggle, but it would certainly lead to major problems for

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the movement.

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Lee's own beliefs about aliens and UFOs are relatively well known, but the question

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here is how the Falun Gong's involvement in the broader Qi Gong movement affected

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the ufologists.

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In the post 1989 context, closer watch was kept on developments within the organization

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that broadly constituted civil society in China, with party members often joining groups

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or creating party branches within them, being thus regularly apprised of what they considered

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the increasingly strange developments within the Qi Gong movement and particularly the

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Falun Gong.

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Falun Gong withdrew from or was thrown out accounts differ of the QSRA in March of 1996,

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this in no way saved the latter and the broader movement from continuing to experience internal

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struggles and problems within the state.

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Chinese ufologists in the 1990s, like many other fields of social activity, attempted

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to establish ufology with Chinese characteristics in a very different way, but with the stamping

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out of radical Qi Gong thought and the disappearance of mass mobilization in the field of science,

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Chinese ufology insofar as it officially exists ceased to differ from the ufology of the history

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channel or the gloss UFO magazines in any discernible way, but another ufology was possible.

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Where manifestation of alien contact do appear that may involve something more than this,

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the agents of the Chinese Anti-Cult Association created in October of 1999, precisely in the

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suppression of the Falun Gong, are ever vigilant and waiting to expose them.

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This happened for instance last year, 2018, when Leo Bo Yang, a PhD student in astrophysics

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at the National Astronomical Observatory under the Chinese Academy of Science, launched a

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public campaign to denounce online cult tendencies around aliens, which prompted Pen Xingqiao

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of the China Buddhist Association to write the lengthy quote, study of the cult teachings

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of alien systems, end quote.

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On behalf of the Anti-Cult Association, currently posted on the website of People's Government

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of Jinghe County, Xingjian, with so many of the state apparatuses today committed to

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policing and preventing the emergence of new things and actually existing ufology in China

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in such a moribund condition, we are far away now from the possibilities that existed

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in the 1990s for either a Chinese ufology or a socialist ufology.

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That's the end of that article.

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But yeah, that's that link in that needed the alien background of the Falun Gong to

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fully get why it was tweeted out there.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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I think that answers some of the questions that you had about it from the previous episode

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though, right?

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Lee actually started using ufology in his writings and talking about aliens and how

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they brought these demonic things to us like evolution and computers.

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And that it's evil, but they weren't associated anymore with that portion of-

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They were both through the QSRA.

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Right, that's what it was.

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The ufology was studied through that and that was the crackdown.

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And then they took, they weren't associated anymore, right?

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In the other episode, they ended up not being a part of it.

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They ended up getting basically cut out.

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There's no way to like practice it through a government body because they found that

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radical Qigong groups ended up taking it on and using it for cults like practices.

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So they said, maybe we shouldn't have a government body for this.

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I'm really loving how out there this is getting.

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This is crazy.

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The next part of their teachings that is very concerning.

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First off, I need to mention, they do not state this.

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This is kind of an implicit part of their practice.

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But adherence to Falun Gong claim that the techniques taught by Li are a replacement

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to actual medicine.

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Falun Gong claims that sickness is a result of past life transgressions and current life

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transgressions as bad karma.

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Because Falun Gong teaches that sickness is the result of these karmas, followers often

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forego medical treatment, sometimes even in life-threatening situations.

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Former Falun Gong practitioner Ben Hurley noted that several fellow practitioners died

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as a result of refusal to seek medical treatment, hiding their illnesses from their own families

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and believing that their diseases were caused by their, quote, lack of religious thoughts.

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That sounds bad.

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And the guy was probably like, I can read your thoughts.

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I need to say, they say they do not tell people not to go seek medical treatment.

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They'll come up again later.

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But they say Falun Gong can cure all diseases.

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So really, if you get a disease, you're not practicing Falun Gong hard enough and they

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can read your thoughts.

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So if you seek outside medical treatment, that just means that you are failing in your

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faith.

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This is also crazy.

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Like what if they're giving it all they got and they're being told like you're not practicing

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hard enough?

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No, you're just not practicing hard enough.

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This will come up again in the future.

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I just wanted to state this belief.

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And again, very clearly on their website that they talk about where they also say they're

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not a cult.

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They do not stop people from seeking medical treatment.

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But at the same time, implicitly, you can't go and seek medical treatment outside of the

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group because that means you're not practicing hard enough.

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And Lee will know that.

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Next, their treatment of people who had joined the faith and then leave it.

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Let's just go with a quote.

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This is from Lee.

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With human beings, when a being can obtain the thought today in history, it's no ordinary

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thing.

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He's so fortunate.

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But as soon as he loses the thought, do you know what he faces?

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It's really horrific.

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Because when he fails to fulfill the major responsibilities and the huge missions that

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were bespowed upon him, then, accordingly, that's like the inverse of a being's consummation.

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And you will truly have to enter the gate of no life.

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You folks can't just go and abandon a person without trying hard enough.

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No matter what kind of mistake someone has made or what kind of a person he is, I still

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want to give him a chance.

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Of course, in human society, there are, after all, a number of people who aren't good enough

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anymore.

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So just let them be.

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Today, I'm mainly saying that our daffa disciples need to do better and we should cherish those

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who have obtained Faw.

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So you are going to be sent to the gate of no life if you leave the practice, which is

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like the worst state of being.

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Basically, you lose living entirely.

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What about for us who have never practiced Falun Gong or who have no interest in practicing

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Falun Gong?

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See, that's actually better because your life force will at least still continue on.

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If you reach Faw and then leave, your life force discontinues.

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That's like the worst thing you can do.

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That's the worst thing.

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Yeah.

490
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,040
Well, no, I mean, you could also be not straight or...

491
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,640
No, but you can still come there and just not do that anymore.

492
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,640
We can teach you.

493
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,400
I just feel like you can't just do that.

494
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:20,360
Here, here, let's bring this mixed Asian white child to Buddha and Jesus and we'll just

495
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:21,520
see which one wants them.

496
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,520
We'll figure it out.

497
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,920
Oh, I forgot to mention in that part too.

498
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,080
Most people think of China as a very homogenized group.

499
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,680
It's just Chinese people.

500
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,200
It's 56 different ethnicities that are acknowledged within the borders of China, not all of which

501
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,360
would be represented by just one race.

502
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:39,960
Quite a few of them will be considered mixed places.

503
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,640
Oh, I didn't know that either.

504
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,640
Yeah.

505
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,800
The largest group does make up 90% of the population, but there are 56 different ethnicities including

506
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,800
them.

507
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,800
In 10% of it?

508
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:50,800
Yeah.

509
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,800
Okay.

510
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040
So, some of them are considered their own race within China.

511
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,040
The wider...

512
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,040
Okay, okay.

513
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,040
Yeah.

514
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,040
I believe Kazakis are in there too.

515
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,080
There's a ton and some of them only have like 50,000 people.

516
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Yeah.

517
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,600
But if you're in a country of that many ethnic groups, to say race mixing is bad is not necessarily

518
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,520
great under government sanctioning.

519
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,520
Mm-hmm.

520
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,520
Or was I?

521
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,520
Right.

522
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,400
So, these are the teachings we did talk about in the last episode.

523
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,360
We talked about in the last episode that Li and a fleeing China once Falun Gong was banned.

524
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,800
We didn't really talk about where he fled to.

525
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,800
No, we didn't.

526
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,320
Just the US.

527
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Did he just like straight up ascend?

528
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,000
Yeah, he just went straight up.

529
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,880
He went to a different dimension so he could just watch everybody.

530
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,680
But more specifically, he actually moved to upstate New York.

531
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:44,160
They acquired 1.59 square kilometers of land in an area known as Deer Park Township in

532
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:50,560
Orange County, upstate New York is registered as Dragon Springs Buddhist Incorporated.

533
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,400
Kelsey, I need you to look up Dragon Springs just to see what it looks like.

534
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,360
Okay, this looks...

535
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,360
It's a compound.

536
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,600
Yep, there's a security guard with a fence.

537
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,960
It's definitely Asian looking.

538
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,640
Yeah, and in the middle of like rural New York.

539
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Yep, this is weird.

540
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,200
This definitely looks like a cult.

541
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,200
Uh-huh.

542
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,960
That's the compound that Falun Gong kind of works out of.

543
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,720
It has a man-made lake on it.

544
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,240
It has a giant pagoda.

545
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,240
And most importantly, it has...

546
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,480
That's what that is.

547
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,080
Arm guards all around the perimeter.

548
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,360
It looks highly secure.

549
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,680
It's fenced for sure.

550
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,200
ABC, who I was talking about earlier.

551
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,120
Part of their investigation was to go there.

552
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,720
This is the part of the article I want to focus on for this.

553
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
They basically went up to the gate and they said, hey, can we come in?

554
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,600
And they were told no.

555
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,880
Here she is trying to get in.

556
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,400
And I'm just going to read this part of the article from ABC.

557
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,760
For generations, Grace Woodard's family has lived in Deer Park area.

558
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,120
It's referred to as Dragon Springs and the mountain.

559
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,960
So those are the two names it goes by.

560
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,000
She's a member of the Deer Park World Alliance, which has been set up in opposition to Dragon

561
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,400
Springs' relentless expansion over the past two decades.

562
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Grace says locals originally welcomed the newcomers.

563
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,760
Quote, there's no transparency.

564
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,040
They're doing their own thing.

565
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,800
It's like the Forbidden City.

566
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,480
Only certain people can go in, says Grace.

567
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Moving around town, she points out property after property bought by Felon Gong practitioners.

568
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Quote, all the houses we've passed are practitioners.

569
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,640
This is where some students and performers live here.

570
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,600
That will come up later in the next episode.

571
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,840
At a guardhouse at the entrance of Dragon Springs, a security unit patrols at the front gate.

572
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,720
When the ABC approaches seeking an interview, they call it a local police.

573
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,080
Now, I should say Dragon Springs vice president Jonathan Lee agrees to be interviewed in a

574
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040
nearby antique shop owned by Felon Gong practitioners.

575
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,680
He says the high security is to stop Chinese spies from the embassy from infiltrating the

576
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,680
compound.

577
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Quote, we have seen embassy cars roaming around in the early days.

578
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,440
We blocked them and then called the police, but now they are smarter, he says.

579
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,960
He also says that Dragon Springs has been transparent about its buildings and one of

580
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,640
its purposes is to provide a haven for refugees from China.

581
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Quote, it's all ordinary people who practice Felon Gong, who want to have a sanctuary,

582
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,840
especially people initially who were persecuted and their parents had died.

583
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,360
And the original guy, he's here in theory.

584
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Nobody again has seen him since 2001.

585
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Oh, nobody's seen him.

586
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,720
I thought he just like, okay, he makes like virtual appearances.

587
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Nobody's actually seen him.

588
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Oh, weird.

589
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Okay.

590
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Yeah.

591
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,240
And I can't tell you much about that because it's a very secretive group and Chelsea.

592
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720
So those are the troubling things about their beliefs.

593
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,320
I actually found something really weird when I was reading Lee's official reason why he

594
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,520
left China for New York was because he wanted his daughter to go to high school in a better

595
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,880
location.

596
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840
So he built a compound, you know, as you do.

597
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Okay.

598
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,440
I was on the fence after the last one.

599
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,240
I had a lot of confusion and I was like, they don't sound like they're like awful.

600
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,560
And now I had a lot of confusion dispelled.

601
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,560
That's for sure.

602
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,680
And now Chelsea, like I said, we're never going to fully know what actually happened

603
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,520
between 1992 and 1999 to bring about the banning of Falun Gong.

604
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080
I mean, I might have a pretty good idea.

605
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,800
I think we heard a reasonable side of Falun Gong's story of it that just, oh, we got

606
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160
too powerful and the government got scared.

607
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,960
I found, I'm just going to say this is not a website that's still up.

608
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,760
It's on the way back machine.

609
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,680
It's exposing the Falun Gong.org.

610
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,280
It is well-cited.

611
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:37,040
It's written by a journalist by the name of Samuel Luo, but I think he does a pretty

612
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,800
good job of explaining what he thinks happened from the Chinese government's point of view.

613
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,240
So let's learn.

614
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,960
The justification provided by the Chinese government has been ignored and discounted

615
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080
by the Western human rights groups, media and politicians.

616
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,880
In the West, the Chinese government has the image of a tyrant.

617
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,000
It's human nature to conclude once a villain, always a villain.

618
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,040
Nevertheless, the story behind the ban needs to be told.

619
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Mr. Li and the Falun Gong organization were held responsible for the deaths of 1,404 practitioners

620
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,680
occurring between May 1992 and July 1999.

621
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Of these, 1,218 died as a result of refusing needed medical treatment, 37 died while practicing

622
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,400
the exercises, 109 committed suicide, and 40 died of unidentified causes.

623
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,960
The Chinese government charged that Falun Gong's advocacy and practices of abandoning

624
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,480
medical treatment endangered the physical mental health of Falun Gong practitioners

625
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,880
as well as public health.

626
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,880
The first documentation of deaths of Falun Gong practitioners was from the article Exposé

627
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:42,320
of the Swindler Li Hongjue, written by Li's earliest followers in 1994.

628
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,640
In Chanchun City alone, the Exposé documented many ills among practitioners.

629
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,480
Seven died, one went into a coma, three fell unconscious during their exercises, and one

630
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,880
became psychotic.

631
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,320
These ills occurred during the first two years of Falun Gong's existence in Chanchun City.

632
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,680
The names and workplaces of these practitioners were provided for verification.

633
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Five years before the Chinese government made its charges, this Exposé accused Master

634
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,320
Li of endangering the health and life of his followers by urging them to substitute needed

635
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,840
medical treatment with his supernatural healing powers.

636
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,840
In addition to the cases reported by the Exposé, testimonials written by Falun Gong practitioners

637
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,280
published on the Falun Gong's own website also validated some of the cases.

638
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:29,440
Jingyou Ming, the daughter of Ma Jinxiu, whose death was one of the 49 and 4 cases reported

639
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,920
by the Chinese government, believed her mother's death was not the responsibility of Master

640
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Li and the Falun Gong.

641
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,960
In her account, her mother had been diabetic for 16 years before joining the Falun Gong

642
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:47,120
in 1996, and she had been taking, quote, more than 30 prescribed pills daily, end quote.

643
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,920
But after picking up Falun Gong, quote, my mother's health improved miraculously, end

644
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,920
quote.

645
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,800
Ms. Jin says, as a result, quote, she stopped taking medicine, end quote.

646
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Then in the middle of 1997, Ma's condition suddenly deteriorated.

647
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,960
She was taken to the hospital where she later died.

648
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Ms. Jin argues that before her mother's death, she was treated in the hospital.

649
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,600
Therefore, the problem of refusing medical treatment did not occur.

650
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Yike.

651
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:20,360
In a carefully crafted response to these accusations, Li stated this.

652
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Some sources claim that I forbid people to take medicine.

653
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Actually, that is absolutely untrue.

654
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,280
I have simply explained the relationship between cultivation and practice and taking medication.

655
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,880
I have enabled more than 100 million people to achieve health.

656
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Countless terminally ill patients have recovered and become healthy.

657
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,720
This is a fact.

658
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,900
As for those who are critically ill or mentally ill, I have always advised against them learning

659
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:45,900
Falun Gong.

660
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,840
Yet some people nonetheless insisted on learning it without my knowledge.

661
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,560
In that case, is it fair to call this kind of individual who died of his own illness my

662
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,560
disciple?

663
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,200
It does end on a question.

664
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440
I think yes, it is.

665
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,080
He also knows everything.

666
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,160
He is self-proclaimed that he is omnipresent.

667
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,400
So how could anybody do anything without his knowledge?

668
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,600
That's the end of that quote.

669
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,800
The article continues from here.

670
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,720
Li has made giving up medical treatment, quote, an enlightenment quality, end quote, that

671
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,400
his followers should strive for.

672
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Yet he always denies it in public.

673
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,160
Does Li define for his recruiters edification what exactly constitutes a, quote, terminally

674
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,600
ill or critically ill patient?

675
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,600
End quote.

676
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,600
He doesn't.

677
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,800
His argument is simply to a pretext to rid himself of responsibility.

678
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,120
Li was aware of the sudden death of his followers, but he gave different explanations.

679
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,040
In 1995, in the first of his two directives that addressed the issue, Li characterized

680
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,280
the sudden death of practitioners as a quote, prominent problem, end quote, and explained

681
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,960
its real cause.

682
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Again, another quote from Li from the time.

683
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Oh boy.

684
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,160
The prominent problem.

685
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,480
At present, there is a prominent problem.

686
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,160
When some students primordial spirits leave their bodies, they see or come into contact

687
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080
with certain dimensions at certain levels.

688
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:11,360
Saying that it is so wonderful and that everything there truly exists, they won't want to return.

689
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
This has resulted in the death of their flesh bodies.

690
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,760
I have addressed this problem before, so when your primordial spirit goes out, no matter

691
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,720
how wonderful you find those places, you have to return.

692
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:23,720
End quote.

693
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,720
I'm sure most people try.

694
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,280
Sometimes you just can't.

695
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,160
A normal Qigong exercise group or a legitimate religion would not have to come up with this

696
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,120
kind of excuse for the deaths of their members.

697
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,360
But Li needed such a bizarre explanation because he claimed to have the divine power to heal

698
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,760
and protect his followers.

699
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,680
He could not afford to have his followers attribute their colleagues' sudden deaths to illnesses

700
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,680
or infirmity.

701
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,600
A year later, Li again talked about the sudden death of practitioners, but this time he characterized

702
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880
it as the dire consequences of altering his teachings.

703
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,800
He warned, quote, did you know that in recent years some students suddenly died?

704
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,920
Some of them died precisely because they did such things.

705
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,920
End quote.

706
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Again, he's talking about altering practices.

707
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Regardless of how Li rationalizes these deaths, the fact that Falun Gong practitioners who

708
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,720
abandoned needed medical treatment have died suddenly and prematurely over the years is

709
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,760
a fact verified by his critics, his followers, and his own words.

710
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,720
Is Li aware of dire consequences of banning medical treatment when sick?

711
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,440
The government believes he is.

712
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,000
Medical records of Li's own family have been presented to the public.

713
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,680
This record shows that from 1982 to 1992, when Li worked for the state-owned Changchun Drain

714
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:46,880
and Oil Supply Company, he had 73 medical expenses reimbursed from the government, 48 of which

715
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,760
were for treatments he himself received.

716
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:58,240
On July 8, 1984, Li had an operation for acute appendicitis in Jilin City People's Hospital.

717
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,420
He was released on July 18.

718
00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:02,520
His doctor was Ying Jie Li.

719
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,720
This is just standard cult stuff.

720
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,720
He doesn't follow the actual teachings.

721
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:13,320
But also, part of this, he's a deity who does not need medical treatment.

722
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,000
So it's just like boldface, a lie.

723
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,880
The government has records of all of this.

724
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,720
Of course, you could also say they've made this up to discredit him.

725
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:22,720
So...

726
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,480
You could argue that, yes.

727
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
I mean, did we reach out to the doctor?

728
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,760
No, my guess is either, you know, because it was 84, 40 years ago now.

729
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Is no longer living or only speaks Chinese.

730
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,960
So...

731
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,760
Okay, all great assumptions.

732
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,480
With this information, it was clear to the Chinese government that Li is a swindler and

733
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,400
the Falun Gong is a fraud.

734
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,200
Li's government critics attribute this advocacy of abandonment of medical treatment as a control

735
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,280
mechanism by indoctrinating his followers to depend on him for their very health, their

736
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,360
very lives, Li can gain complete control over them, and as a matter of fact, Li has

737
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,600
threatened those who disobey him with the return of their sickness.

738
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,000
Again, quote from Li, your body will be reset to the level of everyday people and the bad

739
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,280
things will be returned to you.

740
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,280
End quote.

741
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,360
If you leave.

742
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,400
Once a practitioner loses Li's protection, her body will return to its initial state,

743
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,560
resulting in the return of sickness and sin.

744
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,440
Li refuted the Chinese government's claim in an interview with Newsday, the then 47-year-old

745
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,000
master proclaim, quote, I have never been to hospitals, never been ill.

746
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,000
End quote.

747
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,240
However, Li has failed to provide any evidence to back his rebuttal.

748
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:39,040
This evidence could be a physical examination that shows his perfect health, his scarless

749
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,440
body and an appendix that is still within him.

750
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Without this evidence, we can conclude with common sense that Li did receive medical treatment

751
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,120
and he might still be seeking medical treatment in secret.

752
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,200
Li has been called a swindler, yet he can also be called a cruel manipulator and even

753
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,200
a cold blooded murderer for putting these people who trust him into painful and life-threatening

754
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,360
situations.

755
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,440
How many Falun Gong practitioners have been manipulated into adopting this dangerous practice

756
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,880
and to what degree do they jeopardize public health?

757
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,560
The Falun Gong's own health survey contributed to the answer, a survey conducted on October

758
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,120
18, 1998 in Beijing revealed an alarming information.

759
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,520
418 pole practitioners had zero medical expenses after practice, end quote.

760
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,800
The average annual expense for the total 584 practitioners polled was reduced from the

761
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:37,800
roughly 430 US dollars of the regular Chinese person to $8.75 for a practitioner.

762
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,280
The practitioners were categorized according to illness.

763
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,760
In the largest group, 225 out of 274 practitioners with cardiovascular system illnesses reported

764
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,680
totally stopping their medical treatments and smaller groups suffering from endocrine

765
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,280
disorders like diabetes, 26 of 33 practitioners had totally stopped their medical treatment.

766
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,440
And Chelsea, I need to point out at this point, remember what we were talking about in the

767
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,480
last episode with the reported benefits in the studies of practicing Falun Gong where

768
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,400
it was like 98% of people had health benefits from doing it?

769
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,920
They were self reported and basically saying, do you think you are healthier now?

770
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,760
I'm just doing the exercises, right?

771
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,320
Yeah, no, from being part of Falun Gong, which is part of the exercises, but self reported.

772
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,760
So it could be either a placebo or Lee is watching you.

773
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,600
So you have to say that you feel healthy.

774
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,520
Well, yeah, absolutely.

775
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
There's the threat of always being watched.

776
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,880
The health benefit is just self reported from a group who can't give you a real answer.

777
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,840
Well, not only that, they can't seek any medical attention so they don't know for

778
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,840
sure.

779
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,840
No, exactly.

780
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Let's continue on.

781
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,880
The two important points need to be made here.

782
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,960
One, Falun Gong practitioners were not poor people who could not afford treatment.

783
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,600
They have received medical care before they were indoctrinated in the Falun Gong.

784
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,560
69.2% of practitioners in the survey were 51 and older, who had worked under China's

785
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,880
old socialistic system and therefore were entitled to a sizable or full amount of medical

786
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,440
expense reimbursement from the government, practitioners in the affluent Western countries

787
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,360
have also adopted the dangerous practices of abandoning medical treatment.

788
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,360
Dr. Palmer from Canada notes that, quote, within the Falun Gong community, there is

789
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,560
considerable social pressure on practitioners to abandon conventional medicine, end quote.

790
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,440
And this author's parent in the United States, who have medical insurance, refused needed

791
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,720
medical treatment when seriously ill.

792
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:32,480
The scariest and deadliest infection, and this shows when this article is from, is from

793
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,480
2008.

794
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,680
The virus that broke out in China and spread elsewhere in recent years was SARS, caused

795
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,600
by a deadly virus strong enough to live up to 24 hours outside of the human body and

796
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,600
transmissible by air.

797
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,680
In 2003, a contaminate of 7,864 people and killed 643 in days worldwide.

798
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,120
Many of its victims were medical professionals, nurses, and doctors who were at the frontline

799
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,360
battling this virus.

800
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,160
The ban on Falun Gong in 1999 might have saved China and even the world from a pandemic.

801
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,280
To understand how the Falun Gong could have jeopardized the containment of SARS, we need

802
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,360
to first understand the containment of the deadly virus and the group's position on

803
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,360
SARS.

804
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Without a known cure, the only hope for survival and for containment of the deadly virus were

805
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,120
early detection and quarantine.

806
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,120
All those infected, as well as all who had close contact with them within two-week period,

807
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,280
had to be quarantined.

808
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,720
Beijing had 2,521 probable cases and 30,178 people quarantined during that time.

809
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:33,560
While SARS was contaminating thousands killing hundreds and frightening world health professionals,

810
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,280
while doctors and nurses risked their own lives to help the infected, Master Lee called

811
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,040
SARS quote, heaven punishing people.

812
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,880
And on April 20, 2003, Lee made the following statement at a Falun Gong conference in New

813
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,400
York predicting a worldwide pandemic.

814
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,760
You must have seen the epidemic that's come along in China now, right?

815
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,880
Hasn't a huge epidemic arrived?

816
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,880
To put it in human terms, it's heaven punishing people.

817
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,560
And it's targeting we Dafa disciples know full well.

818
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,000
It's targeting those who don't deserve to be saved.

819
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,720
This is the first round of cleansing.

820
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:11,040
People find it scary, but in fact the truly horrible thing hasn't begun yet.

821
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,160
This isn't the real big cleansing when the FAA starts to rectify the human world.

822
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,200
It'll be even more horrifying when the big cleansing arrives and it'll target the entire

823
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,200
world.

824
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Wait and see, this is going to be an eventful year.

825
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,200
A lot is going to happen.

826
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Yeah, that is a quote right from them, correct?

827
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,800
That's a quote right from Lee.

828
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,600
Okay, and that's not the government saying that he said this.

829
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,760
No, I can see the dangers.

830
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,560
I'm starting to see them.

831
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,000
My first hint was David Copperfield.

832
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,040
I just need to add this last little bit from the article too, because it just shows how

833
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,600
problematic this group is.

834
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,920
While Lee was excited about the possible mass die off, one of his faithful followers, Dr.

835
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,120
Lee Lee Fung, an associate professor from Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, assured

836
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,240
her fellow practitioners that they had the power to resist and contain SARS.

837
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:08,000
Her statement was published in a Felongong website on June 2, 2000.

838
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,960
A research experiment in our lab has discovered that many Felongong practitioners' immune

839
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,160
systems demonstrate a type of two-directional regulating ability.

840
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,240
What does this mean?

841
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:24,000
In their cases, it means that when the immuno reactions become too high, they are automatically

842
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,040
restrained and when the immuno reactions are too low, they are automatically increased.

843
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,480
It is the kind of regulating function that acts as a safety valve for one's body to

844
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:39,400
guard against viruses, yet the Chinese government has cracked down on Felongong Group.

845
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,600
If the total of over 100 million initial Felongong practitioners in China had been allowed to

846
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,800
keep up the practice of Felongong, they would have formed a gigantic protective layer of

847
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,200
over Chinese society.

848
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,440
They can protect more than just themselves.

849
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,440
Why?

850
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,760
If over 100 million Felongong practitioners had been allowed to practice Felongong, they

851
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,960
would have been able to resist the SARS virus, stop the SARS virus from being transmitted

852
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:04,320
through them, and form a large immunity shield, which could protect more vulnerable people

853
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,320
in China.

854
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,960
This is the saddest thing for me and brings me something I must emphasize.

855
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,120
What I want to say is this, persecuting Felongong is the most evil and foolish act while the

856
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,840
plague prevails over China.

857
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,600
What we need most are those people with the resistance to the SARS virus.

858
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,680
Just from a doctor who practices Felongong.

859
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,240
There's more to this, but we're getting really long-winded at this point, so I just need to

860
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,080
wrap it up with a little bit.

861
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,480
First I want to talk a bit about, do you know how we're talking about the end of the last

862
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,120
episode, the persecution that they faced within China?

863
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:43,080
There are multiple reports that Li has told all followers that if you want perfect karma

864
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,320
to be absolved of all past and current sins, you can go through this persecution.

865
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,200
If you get abducted by the Chinese government and tortured and put into these camps, you

866
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,360
will be absolved of all sins.

867
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,880
Unless you sign a retraction of your faith with Felongong, in which case your worst karma.

868
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,560
I don't know whether or not their claims about what takes place in these camps are accurate

869
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,720
or not, as the more horrific things that take place in them, the further your sins will

870
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:10,720
be absolved.

871
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,760
And specifically, it's a test that Master Li has put in place of your faith.

872
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,760
Oh.

873
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,760
Yeah.

874
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,480
The Chinese government is on record is basically saying, we need them to come back to society,

875
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,680
so we're just trying to unbrainwash them.

876
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,680
I think the answer is somewhere in between those two extremes.

877
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Yeah, it would be.

878
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,480
It should be noted that the Felongong has on record on their side some human rights group

879
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
saying that organs are being harvested from people.

880
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,880
It should also be noted that the Felongong people believe that they have super powered

881
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,040
organs and that is why the Chinese government wants their organs, which is also one of their

882
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,040
reasons behind.

883
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Like it's just, ah.

884
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,640
I know.

885
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,640
I don't know what to say right here.

886
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,640
Yeah.

887
00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:01,600
I feel like being in China is just, and called operating as such, it's just a recipe for

888
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,240
extreme disaster.

889
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,640
Yeah, but I will say that there are benefits to a dictatorship.

890
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,640
One of those things is that you can actually counteract a group like this effectively, or

891
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,640
as.

892
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,640
That's true.

893
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,200
Even in democratic societies.

894
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,640
Yeah, you can't shut them down.

895
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:18,640
You can't.

896
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,000
It's just so difficult.

897
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,120
So I don't know what to do there.

898
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,880
They really should be able to be shut down.

899
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,880
Yes.

900
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,880
I will say that.

901
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,080
I live in a free country, but we should be able to shut like cults like this down.

902
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Yeah.

903
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,360
They're dangerous.

904
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,840
And the last thing I want to leave off with on this episode, Chelsea, I talked about SARS,

905
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,680
but I don't know if you know this, but there is a larger pandemic that has taken place

906
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,680
since SARS.

907
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,640
I believe they called it COVID-19 fork.

908
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,840
It's a supergroup of 19 different viruses that came together to wipe out the human race

909
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,680
on behalf of Falun Gong.

910
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,680
And then 2019.

911
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,680
Hold on.

912
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,680
They sent it out.

913
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Something along those lines.

914
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,120
I really hope you guys know enough about COVID-19 that I don't need to talk about it.

915
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,120
They sent it out.

916
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,120
Outside of this part.

917
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Why would they do that?

918
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,960
No, I couldn't find a statement on Lee about this being like, oh, to wipe out the Chinese

919
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,640
government again and all the non-practiceers.

920
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:18,240
What I did find when I was Googling this is a quote, scientific paper and quote, that's

921
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:19,240
a quote from me.

922
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:24,680
I'm just putting it in quotation marks because it was a four page article on the benefits

923
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,440
of practicing Falun Gong against COVID-19.

924
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,560
Didn't read the article because I thought that was batshit and saying maybe I will at

925
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,080
one point I ran out of time.

926
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,720
I mean, maybe that was the world's problem.

927
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,240
Not enough Falun Gong or too much.

928
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,240
Nobody knew.

929
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,240
No, not enough.

930
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,840
Nobody knew about this paper.

931
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,280
Maybe if that nobody knew about this paper, I'm going to say that maybe a group that refuses

932
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,600
to be sick or seek medical treatment might have led to more spread than needed to occur

933
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,600
in this group.

934
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,680
Case in point, I found a practitioner's website.

935
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,080
This is something that came from it.

936
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,760
The website was in Falun Dafa, Minghui.

937
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,320
This happened in late 2022.

938
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,960
This is right from their website at an elementary school in Guang County of Shandong province.

939
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,600
More than half of the students were quarantined because they were infected with COVID-19.

940
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,000
The rest were isolated because they were exposed to the virus.

941
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,720
The classrooms were empty and nearby villages were locked down.

942
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,520
Ming attended the school, but he was not infected.

943
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,960
But he had to be isolated and accompanied by a parent due to his young age.

944
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,760
His mother went with him and tested positive afterwards.

945
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,360
Many people wondered why Ming was so lucky not to test positive.

946
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,680
Why Ming's grandmother is a Falun Dafa practitioner.

947
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,040
When she heard about the quarantine, she called him and reminded him to say, quote, Falun

948
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,920
Dafa is good.

949
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,360
End quote, and quote, truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance is good.

950
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,360
End quote.

951
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Ming repeated this phrase over the phone and repeatedly said them afterwards.

952
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,080
He was thus blessed.

953
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,680
Later, Ming, who was not infected, and his mother who was infected, were transferred

954
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,960
to Lao Chiang City for quarantine.

955
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,520
During those 18 days, everyone around them was infected, but Ming kept miraculously testing

956
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,520
negative.

957
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,400
The miracles continued after Ming returned home.

958
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Since everyone in the village was infected, including his family, even though he lived

959
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,840
with his infected family, Ming was fine.

960
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,800
Well, that's a lesson for all of us.

961
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:17,160
This is still a wide belief that COVID did not impact people who practice Falun Gong.

962
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Right.

963
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,240
I can't even imagine if somebody called my child and told them to say that.

964
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:24,240
Grandparent.

965
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,720
Grandparent did that.

966
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:30,120
Yeah, I definitely have words for that grandparent.

967
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Yeah.

968
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,080
That's crazy.

969
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,080
Yeah.

970
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,680
I think that's a good point to leave off with for this episode.

971
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Chelsea, anything you want to talk about?

972
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,120
I do.

973
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,120
I have a couple things.

974
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,720
One, does the e-ing ever come up?

975
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,720
That's the next episode.

976
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:44,720
Next episode.

977
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:45,720
Okay.

978
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:49,480
Next episode is actually going to be talking about subsidiaries of Falun Gong.

979
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,680
Yeah, I'm interested to see that.

980
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,280
Which I will leave a surprise for you as to what comes up.

981
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,520
I love surprises.

982
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Second, this may cause a problem for us with the Magicians Alliance, but I can't let

983
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:09,320
David Copperfield go and I know computers are technology be stoist upon us by evil aliens

984
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:17,240
and is bad, but I just went to the Wikipedia page for David Copperfield on his levitation.

985
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:26,360
And right here we have US patent number 5354238 in which is how he levitates, which is all

986
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,720
an illusion by the way.

987
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,960
It's not through Shigong practice.

988
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,960
It is not.

989
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:37,080
You don't see him reaching up into the two cosmic extremes.

990
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,560
Is that just what the picture of the patent?

991
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,680
I've been staring at the picture of the patent since you mentioned it.

992
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,680
It's all trickery.

993
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,800
I'm sorry, Magicians Alliance, but I had to.

994
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:56,160
And lest this guy sits on the Magicians Alliance, in which case he doesn't want this out, but

995
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,280
I just had to divulge his information.

996
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,440
That is in fact a workaround for how he levitates.

997
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,360
He does not levitate.

998
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,800
That's my favorite thing ever, I think, that's kind of from this whole podcast.

999
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,800
That's all I had to add.

1000
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,280
You think he could have said there's many practitioners of my group who have done this

1001
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,800
or something along those lines?

1002
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,080
Nope, David Copperfield.

1003
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,520
That's good stuff.

1004
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,120
That was a wild ride.

1005
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,840
Stay tuned for next week where we talk about the subsidiaries.

1006
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Anyhow, for the meantime, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

1007
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,880
We are Journey to the Fringe.

1008
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:43,720
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

1009
00:52:43,720 --> 00:53:05,780
I know all the researchers out there have dig up our

1010
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:11,260
Either way, please send us an email at journeytothefringeatgmail.com.

1011
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:15,020
For now, I'll see you in the next episode.