1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,480 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,520 Coming back in a style horror like Pogs, I hope. 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,960 I put a lot of money in the Pog train, so. 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,760 We are your podcast hosts and Pog sellers should anyone be looking. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Taylor and Chelsea and today is a Chelsea episode that is full of surprises for everybody, 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,120 including me and possibly Chelsea in fact. 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,680 So, I'm just gonna let her take it. 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,680 Yeah, that's me. 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,800 You got Pogs to sell? 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,800 You buying? 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,800 Yeah, probably. 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Okay. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,880 Well, the email journey to the fringe at gmail.com and let us know what you're willing to pay 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,040 per kilogram. 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,280 I hope you got Slammers. 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,480 Okay, here I am. 18 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,840 You talk to you about stuff and things now that the business is aside. 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,440 We live in Canada and by we, I mean Taylor and I, not you. 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Well, it could be you as well. 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:08,800 But you may remember Canada from such things as inventor of basketball for some reason, 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,800 house hippos. 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,120 Sorry, I was just gonna ask. 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Are you gonna pose or a heritage? 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,440 Other heritage moments that I can't remember right now. 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Those ones together. 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Explosion and Halifax. 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,680 But also, Cheezys being polite mostly. 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,280 We do have our dickheads though. 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Maple syrup, poutine, caesars, Wendigo, delicious not watered down beer, Wayne Gretzky, the 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,120 Shague Hargir UFO incident, a journey to the fringe episode. 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,080 What are those horse boys up to? 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,360 And likely other things. 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,040 There's other Canadian things, I'm sure. 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,200 Yeah, like the second what are those horse boys up to episode, which seems to get forgotten 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,200 by most. 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,720 It was the Mr. Big episode. 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Right. 39 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Yes, I didn't know that was the part two. 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,920 So that episode is Canadian, like the other fucking lines. 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Not Canadian, little known fact. 42 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,400 Today, I'm gonna talk to you about some other Canadian things that I didn't just list. 43 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,840 And these things have yet to be really covered on our podcast yet. 44 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,040 With that being Cheezys, is kidding. 45 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,240 Cheezys have already made an appearance on our podcast. 46 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,880 Unfortunately, after that buildup, it is not Cheezys and it is haunting. 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:22,320 And we stopped eating Cheezys because snacking didn't sit well with the test audience. 48 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:28,240 I think I just had a disappointing intro because who doesn't love Cheezys? 49 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,640 I just have to say they are not the same as Cheetos. 50 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,640 Cheetos suck and compare to Cheezys. 51 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:35,640 That's right. 52 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:38,640 I'm going to talk to you today about some famous Canadian hauntings. 53 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:43,560 And before I get into these hauntings, there is one thing that you must know about Canadian 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,860 hauntings that if you don't know, everybody ought to know. 55 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:51,640 But you can just assume these going forward in your life that you know these about Canadian 56 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:52,640 hauntings. 57 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,880 One, that is that every Fairmont is haunted. 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Does not matter which one. 59 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Actually, it's only if it's an old Fairmont. 60 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,080 I don't think the newer ones are, but we do have a bunch of old ones in Canada because 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,800 they used to belong to the railroad and those ones are all haunted. 62 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:14,520 Fairmont Bamsprings, Jasper Park Lodge, Hotel McDonald, the Fairmont Vancouver. 63 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,560 Those other ones that I don't know the East Coast of Canada and Manitoba. 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,560 They're there. 65 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,560 They're haunted for sure. 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,560 All haunted. 67 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Second one, Old Spaghetti Factory. 68 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Those fucking love it there. 69 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,560 They're also haunted. 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Well, yeah, they're old. 71 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,920 Those are the two things. 72 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:35,000 I thought the old was just part of the name. 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 It turns out no. 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Okay. 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Well, those might be the two old things in Canada. 76 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 We only have those two things that are old. 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,560 So, going forward with your life, now you know that. 78 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Also, I don't know about the Old Spaghetti Factory. 79 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,120 Is that a Canadian thing or? 80 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,680 I could not tell you. 81 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,960 No, I don't know either, but they exist. 82 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,320 They're haunted, but they're those. 83 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,320 They're haunted. 84 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Reasons unknown or known. 85 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,800 I don't know. 86 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,600 So let's get into some haunts. 87 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,960 I also learned a great deal researching this episode. 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:13,720 First up, we got the Baldoon Mystery and that's coming to a straight out of Wallaceburg, Ontario, 89 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,720 which doesn't roll off the tongue like Compton does. 90 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,800 We're just trying to make it sound nice, but it just didn't. 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,880 Just so we're all on the same page, the Old Spaghetti Factory or OSF as they call it on 92 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,120 their website is 100% Canadian. 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,120 It is. 94 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Okay. 95 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,120 So there we have it. 96 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,400 That's two haunted Canadian things. 97 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,480 So according to the tale for what am I talking about again? 98 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,960 The Baldoon Mystery. 99 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,440 And I did bet on Taylor looking that up for us. 100 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,440 So thank you, Taylor. 101 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,440 You're welcome. 102 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,600 So the tale dating back to around 1829, the family farm of local resident John T. MacDonald 103 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,760 was disturbed by a haunting attributed to a curse from a witch. 104 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Not to be confused with the skinwalker people or the hotel McDonald's weirdly enough. 105 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,560 We're talking. 106 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,280 Yeah, we're talking Canadian here. 107 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:02,440 Skinwalkers don't exist in this territory. 108 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,960 The haunting was akin to typical poltergeist type activity. 109 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Unexplained sounds would be heard by the MacDonald family at all hours of the day and night. 110 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,560 They heard noises of what sounded like quote many men preparing for war marching through 111 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,280 their kitchen and quote that would abruptly stop when they investigated. 112 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,640 So what province are they in? 113 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Ontario. 114 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Okay. 115 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Okay. 116 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,840 There were at least some minimal wars there because I was going to say this is Vancouver. 117 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,440 Like there's never been a marching army. 118 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,440 This is Ontario. 119 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,400 So there potentially could have been. 120 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,360 They saw bullets, stones and lead pellets rain down upon the farmer's home and come 121 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,800 through the windows. 122 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,840 In regards to these, family members would often collect the bullets and rocks and sometimes 123 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,600 leave unique markings on them. 124 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,520 They were then brought off the property and even deposited in nearby creeks. 125 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,360 They just wanted to get rid of them. 126 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,600 Of course, only a few days later at the same bullets and rocks with the unique markings 127 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,800 would appear back in their house. 128 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,760 After replacing the glass panes of their windows so often, John MacDonald had a fucking enough 129 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,240 of that and he boarded up the windows. 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,800 Thereafter, instead of glass shattering, the family heard the constant thumping of things 131 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,680 hitting the outside of the boarded up windows. 132 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,720 Although the bullets and rocks were collected and redeposited almost daily, no one could 133 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,520 explain how they showed up time and time again. 134 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,920 Chairs would slide across the floor on their own. 135 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,240 Fires were witness starting around the house all the time. 136 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,960 Inexplicably, might I add on that one? 137 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,800 Not just, you know, someone starting a fire and then being like, not again. 138 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,720 Oh, and can't forget this one. 139 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,640 While a baby was sitting in a wooden cradle, it suddenly started to rock violently from 140 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,640 side to side and three men rushed over and joined in an effort to stop it, although they 141 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,440 used every bit of strength the rocking continued as if being forced by a powerful unseen hand. 142 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,360 The cradle continued to rock, unaided when the men backed away in terror. 143 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,560 MacDonald finally decided to take action and hopefully address the paranormal incidents. 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,880 They first discussed the matter with a local priest who was experienced in performing exorcisms, 145 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:09,480 although he applied his best efforts there is no change in the constant barrage of terror. 146 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,800 According to some sources, the MacDonald family eventually met with a woman gifted with the 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,880 powers of second sight. 148 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,480 That's not a word you hear thrown around all the time anymore. 149 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,560 They traveled a long distance to hear her perspective on what was haunting the family. 150 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,080 She apparently postulated that the strange incidents were due to a curse being placed 151 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,280 on the property by an old woman. 152 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Some had said that the McDonald's were involved in a minor spat with the woman and her sons 153 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,000 when they originally purchased the property in the early 1820s, so perhaps she was the 154 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,520 cause of their misfortune. 155 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,280 I don't know, I don't see a curse being… maybe I hold my comments until the end here. 156 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,600 He's still got a little bit to go. 157 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,680 With the passage of time, it's somewhat unclear how the events unfolded. 158 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,360 Some folklore suggest that the McDonald's performed a ritual to rid them of the poltergeist 159 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,680 and the incidents suddenly stopped. 160 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,360 According to some retellings, the seer suggested that the McDonald's needed to shoot a black 161 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,320 goose with a silver bullet, as the old woman had used witchcraft on the bird and it was 162 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,160 a source of the activity. 163 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,160 That's right. 164 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:24,080 So Canadian geese have been like terrorizing us for generations. 165 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,080 They are. 166 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,200 They are clearly the spawn of witches and Satan himself. 167 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,200 They're the Canadian skinwalker. 168 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Isn't that to be? 169 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,600 The silver bullets are pretty much the skinwalkers. 170 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,600 No, it didn't. 171 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,680 They're the fucking wear goose. 172 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:45,000 You imagine if one showed up for work. 173 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,920 He's an asshole. 174 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,160 He's not even like… 175 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,160 He… oh yeah. 176 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,760 No, no, no good. 177 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,920 I would quit. 178 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,760 I would quit if a goose showed up in a suit like walking in there. 179 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,600 The McDonald's followed the advice and shot the black goose in the wing. 180 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,760 Shortly after, the family saw the old woman with her arm in a sling. 181 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,160 These actions apparently prompted the end of the strange occurrences, but the exact 182 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 line between the fact and fiction has become somewhat blurred over the years. 183 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,920 This was quite a long time ago. 184 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,080 That and the home burned down in 1831. 185 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,200 So who's to say what happened there? 186 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,680 That is one of Canada's greats. 187 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,880 See I blame the geese for that burning down. 188 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,800 It does provide a whole new perspective on it once the geese get brought up. 189 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Yeah. 190 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,240 Like you can explain every single one of those phenomenon through those fucking geese. 191 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,240 It's true. 192 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,240 The marching? 193 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,240 The guns? 194 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Hit the marching? 195 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,240 The dropping of bullets? 196 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,240 The poltergeist sounds? 197 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,240 They're assholes. 198 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,240 They're absolute assholes. 199 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,240 Yeah. 200 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,480 We don't want them to be called Canadian. 201 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,960 The collective asshole-ishness and rage that Canada has given up for its peaceful and 202 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,240 politeness was distilled into our geese. 203 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,240 It's true. 204 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:07,360 It's a complete embodiment of the exact opposite of the politeness we carry around with us. 205 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,280 What was I going to say? 206 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,280 I can't remember. 207 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,680 Moving on. 208 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,880 The next one is the Great Amherst Mystery. 209 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,680 And these are famous Canadian hauntings. 210 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:25,720 You can get tours of most of these places or at least the towns that these are in, which 211 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,600 I would be really interested in if I ever went to the East Coast ever. 212 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,000 Sadly, I have not. 213 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Really hard to do. 214 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 It is. 215 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,600 It's extensive and as far. 216 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,600 It's far. 217 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Yeah, just- 218 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Not going to lie. 219 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,600 A big country. 220 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,880 As a Canadian living on the West Coast, it's cheaper to go to Europe than it is to go to 221 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,280 the East Coast of Canada. 222 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,280 It just hits. 223 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,120 And you're almost there by the time you get to the East Coast of Canada. 224 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,840 I might as well just keep going. 225 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,880 And I am more interested in going to Europe. 226 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:57,840 No offense Eastern Canada, but I am more interested in going to Europe than East Coast Canada. 227 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,960 Yeah, I could say some stuff, but I'm not going to. 228 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,320 Oh, the best of some European listeners at least. 229 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,160 Let's not offend our own tights. 230 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,080 So Great Amherst Mystery. 231 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,040 I didn't actually know about this one until recently, all because a friend of mine moved 232 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,120 super close to where this took place and told me about it. 233 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Turns out fairly famous haunting and not just famous within Canada. 234 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,240 Surprisingly for I've never heard about it before that time. 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,480 And I grew up looking at Canadian ghost stories. 236 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,760 So I'm not sure how these mostly all escaped me that I'm focusing on this podcast. 237 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,280 I feel like the horse ghost just got too much spotlight growing up in Edmonton. 238 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,120 And that one's in the Fairmont. 239 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,480 And that just goes back to the major ghost facts you need to know about Canada. 240 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,120 So this one's another surprisingly old relic. 241 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:54,000 We travel back to the 1870s where we arrive at a cottage that once stood in Amherst Nova 242 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,960 Scotia at the corner of Princess and Church Streets. 243 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:58,960 Maybe. 244 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,840 I don't know what else other option it would be. 245 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Where the young Esther Cox lives with her family consisting of her married sister, Olive 246 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,680 Tied, and her husband, their two kids, a brother, sister, and her brother-in-law's brother. 247 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:17,200 So it's a crowded place consisting of eight including Esther and Essie. 248 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,160 I'm going to call her Essie from now on. 249 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Probably maybe. 250 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,160 I don't know. 251 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,160 Probably don't. 252 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,440 I'm going to call her Bob McNeil who are taking an evening carriage ride into the Tantrum 253 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,920 R Marsh trigger warning coming up here. 254 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,960 Some say she should maybe just fast forward 30 seconds or so if that applies. 255 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:40,000 Some say he was, she was held up at gunpoint by McNeil or sexually assaulted. 256 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,880 Either way something fucked up happens and McNeil leaves town the next day. 257 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Not long after that back at the house strange things are happening to Essie. 258 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,840 There were knocking, well maybe not just, oh no I just called her Essie. 259 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,040 That's the strange thing. 260 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,040 She was. 261 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,320 And moved to Scotland. 262 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Strange things start happening in the house. 263 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,920 There were knockings, bangings, rustlings in the night and one night in particular the 264 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,600 young woman started convulsing and her body swelled up. 265 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,440 On a separate occasion a box of fabric moved by itself from under Essie's bed and flew 266 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,440 into the air. 267 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,200 The frightened family called in a doctor. 268 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,200 During her visit bedclothes moved scratching noises were heard and the words Esther Cox 269 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,400 you are mine to kill appeared on the wall by the head of Esther's bed. 270 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,280 The following day the doctor administered sedatives to Esther to calm her and help her sleep. 271 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,480 Whereupon more noises and flying objects manifested themselves. 272 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,800 It attempts to communicate with the spirit resulted in tapped responses to questions. 273 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,200 As always I feel like that's how they always respond. 274 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,160 If you got toes at least. 275 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:57,960 I was just gonna say cracking of toes is what they refer to use to communicate. 276 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,920 The phenomena continued for some months and became well known locally. 277 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Visitors to the cottage included clergymen, they heard banging and knocking and witness 278 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,240 moving objects often when Esther herself was under close observation. 279 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,720 In December Esther fell ill with diphtheria. 280 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,600 No phenomena was observed during the two weeks she spent in bed nor during the time she spent 281 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,720 recuperating afterwards at the home of a married sister in Sacville, New Brunswick. 282 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,040 However when she returned to Amherst the mysterious events began again. 283 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,440 This time invoking the outbreak of fires in various places in the house fires again. 284 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Maybe that's something that has to be attributed to Canada as well. 285 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Esther herself now claimed to see the ghost which threatened to burn down the house unless 286 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,840 she left. 287 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,960 In January 1879, Esther moved in with another local family but the manifestations around 288 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,800 her continued and were witnessed by many people. 289 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Some of whom conversed with the ghost by questioning the wrapped answers. 290 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Some were curious and sympathetic. 291 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Others believed Esther herself to be responsible for the phenomena and she met with some hostility 292 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,400 locally. 293 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,680 Esther was frequently slapped, pricked and scratched by the ghost and on one occasion 294 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,520 she was stabbed in the back with a clasped knife. 295 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,000 I wonder if they ever entertained the fact that it might be a goose. 296 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,920 I was just going to say because again these are all things a goose can and will do to 297 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,920 you. 298 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,640 I can't argue with that large, I can't rule it out at this time. 299 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Interest in the case grew as new spread and in late March Essie spent some time in St. 300 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,480 John New Brunswick where she was investigated by some local gentleman with an interest in 301 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:39,480 science. 302 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:49,960 I love science, let me take a look at you. 303 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:56,240 The Chignecto post proclaims quote this town has a mystery at last end quote I guess they 304 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,240 were looking for one. 305 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,400 The most exciting thing to ever happen a nondescript group of men who love science have visited 306 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,400 town. 307 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,240 They're not even good at science. 308 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,000 They just like it. 309 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,240 By now several distinct spirits were apparently associated with Essie and communicating with 310 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,680 onlookers via Noxum wrappings. 311 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:24,800 Bob Nickel was the original ghost and he claimed to have been a shoemaker in life and others 312 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,440 identified themselves as Peter Cox, a relative of Essie's and Maggie Fisher. 313 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,000 Bob Nickel, Peter Cox and Maggie Fisher. 314 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 After the visit to St. John, Essie spent some time with the Van Ambergs, friends with 315 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,160 a peaceful farm, opposed to a non-peaceful farm, near Amherst and then returned to the 316 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:49,040 Teeth's cottage in the summer of 1879 whereupon the phenomena broke out again. 317 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,480 It was at this point that Walter Hubbell arrived, I think we'll learn who he is, attracted 318 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:59,480 by the publicity surrounding the case and moved into the Teeth cottage as a lodger to 319 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:05,480 investigate the phenomena, not sure what his credentials are or why he's there yet. 320 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,160 Hubbell spent some weeks with Essie and her family and reported having personally witnessed 321 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,800 moving objects, fires and items appearing from nowhere and claimed that he saw a phenomena 322 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,960 occur even when Essie herself was in full view and obviously unconnected with them. 323 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,440 He was also claimed to have witnessed attacks on Essie with pins and other sharp objects 324 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,240 and to have seen her in several of her fits of extreme swelling and pain. 325 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,040 What was he witnessing with her getting stabbed? 326 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:38,000 I feel like, yeah, I feel like even if you like science, you gotta stop somebody from 327 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,640 getting stabbed. 328 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Was he just witnessing like a pin in the middle of the air, like, looking at her? 329 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,240 That's so weird. 330 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,720 He communicated with the various named spirits by wrapping and listed three others. 331 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,880 Harry Fisher, Jane Nickel and Eliza McNeil, who are also manifesting themselves as part 332 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:56,880 of the events. 333 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:57,880 Holy moly. 334 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,320 With Hubbell's professional help, what is he a professional in? 335 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,400 I'd say to myself because I wrote this all down. 336 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,960 You have to assume that it's in space. 337 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Maybe he's a guy who also likes science and he goes on to found a telescope. 338 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,560 And then it's just a given. 339 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,160 Where would I know this guy from? 340 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,160 You're right. 341 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,160 That has to be it. 342 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:23,640 Mr. Cox embarked on a speaking tour attracting audiences who paid to see her and hear her 343 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,640 story. 344 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,000 However, she met with some hostile reactions and after she was heckled one night and a 345 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,760 disturbance broke out, the attempt was abandoned. 346 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,200 She returned to Amherst once more, working for a man named Arthur Davison. 347 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,200 She gave up. 348 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:48,140 It's not often that we have somebody whose career ends due to a riot that's started. 349 00:18:48,140 --> 00:18:51,400 This is a Canadian story after all. 350 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:57,200 Okay, so she's working for Arthur Davison, but after his barn burned down, he accused 351 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,200 her of arson and she was convicted and sentenced to four months in prison, although she was 352 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,040 released after only one. 353 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,760 That's a Canadian thing as well. 354 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,160 After this, the phenomena ceased for good. 355 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,080 Esther Cox subsequently married twice, having a son by each of her husband. 356 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,760 She moved to Brockton, Massachusetts, or however the hell you say that, with her second husband 357 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,680 and died on November 8th, 1912, age 52. 358 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,760 That's all the information I'm giving you on that. 359 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,560 If you want to go look at debunking or whatever on it by all means. 360 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,240 Yeah, and that's right during that era of seances and whatnot that the Fox sisters 361 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,240 inhabit too. 362 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,560 It didn't remind you of that a lot. 363 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Yeah, especially with the rapping. 364 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,040 Oh yeah, for sure. 365 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,800 It almost reminded me exactly of that, but super famous one in Canada as well. 366 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,160 And with that, we're now going to move on to another one. 367 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,360 We're going to go way up north and I did not know about this place and it is so freaking 368 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:53,360 cool. 369 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:58,080 I might potentially want to do or one of us might want to potentially do a bigger episode 370 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,240 on this one because this one I had no idea about and it is so cool. 371 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,000 I already said that so I can shut up now and just talk. 372 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,480 This one is the Nehany National Park Reserve in the Northwest Territories. 373 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,120 Is this the headless men one? 374 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,720 Yeah, did you know about it? 375 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,000 I didn't really know about it. 376 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Yeah, Hemerson Peters does a pretty good reflection on it. 377 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,080 Well, it's probably not going to be that good, but here we are. 378 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,880 Taylor Four's shadow death first. 379 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:29,960 This park, beautiful park, if you look up pictures, it can only be accessed by boat 380 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,280 or float plane. 381 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,960 It's impenetrable forest and mountains may be the primary reason the Hany sees limited 382 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,960 visitors. 383 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,600 I'm going to say it's the only accessed by boat or float plane and the fact that it's 384 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,600 so up north. 385 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,640 Yeah, geese don't even fly this far north. 386 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,640 I'm pretty sure. 387 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,000 I would think not with a name like this. 388 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,240 I'm pretty sure they or maybe they do and this is where they originate from. 389 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Could be. 390 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,640 They don't go here. 391 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,600 They get out of this. 392 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:05,480 To finish my sentence, perhaps it's also because the park is shrouded in a macabre 393 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,160 legend, befeeding of its menacing landscape. 394 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,200 I mean, it's a good reason, but I still feel like it's pretty fucking remote. 395 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,880 So again, major reason. 396 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,800 The supernatural lore has earned the Hany the moniker quote the Valley of the Headless 397 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:26,600 Man and many believe this UNESCO World Heritage Site to be haunted. 398 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Also home to the Denny indigenous tribes who dwelt there for many centuries. 399 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:37,960 The Denny's oral histories passed down generations speak of another tribe who lived in the park 400 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,960 called the Naha. 401 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,640 The Denny tell that the Naha were a warlike tribe living in the high mountains and descending 402 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,960 into the lowlands to raid and kill. 403 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,120 It became the main foes of the Denny peoples and were greatly feared by them. 404 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:57,640 The name Naha itself is of the Denny origin and means the river of the land of the Naha 405 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:58,640 people. 406 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,320 The Denny state that the Naha people simply vanished at one time, ceasing their raids 407 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,600 and disappearing altogether. 408 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,360 Mystery surrounds these so called Naha, but no trace of them has ever been found. 409 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,200 So far, they're only found in the oral stories told by the Denny. 410 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,560 Could they have migrated elsewhere, succumbed to a disease, died out, or simply stayed in 411 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,640 the Nihani River Valley to this very day hiding in plain sight? 412 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,200 Some speculate that might be so. 413 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,920 This mystery would likely have died out quickly being dubbed just another legendary story of 414 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,960 an indigenous tribe, as we do. 415 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,120 But several eerie deaths and disappearances within the Nihani Valley achieved the opposite 416 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,120 result. 417 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:44,800 The mysteries surrounding this place were only fueled further and Nihani became the focus 418 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,320 of many mystery hunters. 419 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,840 Most of this focus was on the special place within the valley, one called the 200 mile 420 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,840 gorge. 421 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:58,600 Many natives speak of an unknown evil dwelling there, and few ever enter it, especially because 422 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,920 of the events that transpired there, for it's the 200 mile gorge that gained the grisly 423 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:12,920 epithent of the valley of the headless man. 424 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,320 When British writer and explorer Raymond Patterson set out to the Nihani region from 425 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:23,280 Fort Smith in 1927, he received an onimous piece of advice, according to Neil Harding 426 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,800 in his book Nihani, the River of Gold, River of Dreams, quote, men vanish in that country 427 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,960 and down the river, they say it's a damn good country to keep clear of. 428 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,920 Lots of good gold there though. 429 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:40,560 Lured by reports of gold in the area, brothers Frank and Willie McLeod journeyed from Edmonton, 430 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Alberta to the Nihani region in Nihani Range in 1904. 431 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Starting with primitive gear, they traversed hundreds of kilometers by train, boat, and 432 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,720 foot during an unummonly cold winter until they reached Gold Creek. 433 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,640 Their efforts were rewarded that year and they returned to their home in Fort Laird with 434 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,880 gold in hand. 435 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,960 However, not satisfied, the brothers made a second expedition to the Nihani range in 436 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,720 1905 and they never returned. 437 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,680 Nothing was heard from Frank and Willie until brother Charlie McLeod led the search in the 438 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:15,360 park in 1908 where he discovered two skeletons at their camp on the river's edge in the 439 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:16,360 vast valley. 440 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:21,000 Their heads had been severed and one man lay with his arm outstretched towards his gun. 441 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,160 The blankets were thrown across his brothers if he had leaped suddenly from the bed, read 442 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,160 reports. 443 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,680 It wasn't just the McLeod brothers who died or went missing in the park in the early 20th 444 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,680 century. 445 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,280 A goddess engineer that had been traveling with them was never seen again and Yukon 446 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,800 Prospector Martin Jorgensen met a similar fate in 1917. 447 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,640 He had sent news home that he had struck it rich in the area. 448 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,400 Not long after, his decapitated skeleton was found outside his cabin which had been burned 449 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,200 to the ground spawning rumors of headhunters in the valley in Canadian newspapers. 450 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,080 Numerous other reports from the RCMP confirmed similar deaths and a good number of people 451 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,840 have simply vanished without a trace after setting foot in the park. 452 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,800 On the same time in the park's history, a series of unexplained plane crashes earned 453 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,280 an expansive mountain as the name of the funeral range, which borders the ominous Hell's Gate 454 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,280 Rapid. 455 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,520 These seemingly supernatural deaths are only a part of the mystery that Nahani National 456 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,040 Park is steeped in. 457 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,880 Since the first Denny people settled there 10,000 years ago, a lore of hidden tropical 458 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,880 gardens, mythical creatures, and spirits hiding in the park's hot springs and tufa mounds 459 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,880 abounded. 460 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,640 Throughout, I once heard a Dencho chief tell stories of an ancient giant of Gauntha who 461 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,280 would cook his food in the springs, says Joel Hibbard, owner of Nahani Wilde. 462 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,800 Whether giants roam the park or not, the hot springs do hold special cultural significance 463 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,840 for the Decho, who leave offerings like tobacco at the springs for good luck. 464 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,580 It's said if the springs are full, it's an auspicious sign. 465 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:54,640 Later in the 19th century, UFO sightings and other strange lights were reported in the 466 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:01,400 park and to this day, fringe bloggers obsessed with cryptids and recount stories of the Amphis... 467 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,400 Nde... 468 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,120 I'll leave it at that. 469 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:10,160 A predatory bear dog hybrid that went extinct in the Pliocene period, prowling the valley 470 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,240 as well as assigns a bigfoot activity in forbidden parts of the park. 471 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Certain areas within the Nahani are closed to visitors because of their sensitive ecosystems 472 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,120 or cultural significance for the indigenous Denny people. 473 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:27,000 But some say the restrictions are much about containing the park's supernatural forces 474 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,240 as they are about keeping people out. 475 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,240 That's the Nahani. 476 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,240 Yeah. 477 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,680 And if you want to learn more about that, the Denny people actually print this on the 478 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,160 back of their menus in all Denny's restaurants. 479 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,400 I always wondered what that was there for. 480 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,160 I think that would be a good episode to do in the future. 481 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,160 Of course, these are all just... 482 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Oh yeah, it'll be on the list, but... 483 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Little things. 484 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Yeah. 485 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,720 Hopefully it will. 486 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,920 Hopefully I'll get around to writing it on there, but you never know. 487 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,120 Email us if you want to see it to ensure that maybe we write it down if you say it. 488 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:03,360 Anyhow, last but not least, I had to include this one, Dead Man's Island Vancouver, which 489 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,360 is a 3.8 hectare each area. 490 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:08,360 Yeah. 491 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:12,400 Island, which is connected to Stanley Park via a short timber structure bridge. 492 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,960 At low tide, it's accessible as well, although it's not open to the public. 493 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,840 I know I got really excited. 494 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,040 And the Vancouver's first settlers, John Morton, set foot on the island in 1862. 495 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,440 It was very termed by it. 496 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,080 It didn't take him long before he discovered hundreds of red cedar boxes lashed to the 497 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,880 upper bows of the trees. 498 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,120 Of course, Morton wanted to see what was in them, and he poked into one of the boxes 499 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,160 it fell apart. 500 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,880 In them, he found the skeletal remains of a dark-haired person. 501 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,040 Very descriptive. 502 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,640 The Squamish people of First Nation tribe used this island, which they called... 503 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,520 I'm just going to read the translation. 504 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Island. 505 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,680 To bury their people in trees. 506 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,160 He also told Morton the island had been the site of a brutal massacre. 507 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,000 A long time ago, Northern and Southern nations thought over who could claim the island. 508 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,960 The Southern nation had kidnapped 200 Blemim children and elders at some point, and the 509 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,440 Northern decided to trade 200 young warriors for these hostages. 510 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,480 The 200 young warriors were brutally slaughtered by the Southern nation. 511 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,960 They didn't stand a chance. 512 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,400 The next morning, after the dead had been taken rid of, the Southern nation returned 513 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,600 to the spot where the warriors had died. 514 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,560 They were shocked to see hundreds of flaming fire flowers right where their bodies have 515 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,560 fallen. 516 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Sorry, that just reminds me of Super Mario. 517 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,200 But... 518 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,040 Actually, that paints a very vivid picture that you say that. 519 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,740 The Southern nation immediately left the island in pure terror. 520 00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:41,960 After hearing the story, Morton too decided to leave the island. 521 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,240 He believed it was cursed. 522 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,480 By 1870, the tree coffins were taken down and the remains were buried in Stanley Park. 523 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,600 The island didn't have a real purpose after Morton left and the settlers started using 524 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160 the island as a burial site for their people. 525 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,680 21 victims of the Great Vancouver Fire of 1886, Canadian Pacific Railway workers who 526 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,600 died during construction and residents of Moodyville, Aisting Sawmill, and the Granville 527 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,320 Townsay were all buried there. 528 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,320 It's not that big of an island. 529 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,440 This was done until Mountain View Cemetery, the only cemetery in the city of Vancouver 530 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440 was built in 1887. 531 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,760 But even after 1887, bodies were buried there. 532 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,360 And that had to do with the outbreak of a smallpox epidemic in 1888. 533 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:29,240 From 1888 to 1892, Deadman's Island became a quarantine site for people suffering from 534 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,800 highly contagious smallpox disease. 535 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,040 Few people survived the horrible illness and those who died from it never left the island. 536 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,520 You always gotta find an island for something like that. 537 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,440 I feel like we've talked about that before. 538 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Yeah, peninsula just doesn't cut it. 539 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,680 No, I mean, this isn't technically an island. 540 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,680 There is a passage to it at low tide. 541 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Yeah, low tide though. 542 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,840 Yeah. 543 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:50,840 So technically, yes. 544 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,840 It's the time. 545 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,840 It's an island. 546 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,840 It's true. 547 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,280 Sometimes it's not. 548 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,280 Deadman's Island became the site of a long conflict between 1899 and 1930. 549 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,800 Theodore Ludgate leased the island from the federal government in 1899 and wanted to place 550 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,920 his lumber mill on the island. 551 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,160 Mayor James Gardner and some other officials assumed the island was included with the original 552 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,000 Stanley Park land. 553 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320 Ludgate didn't want to waste time waiting for the official clear and he and some of 554 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,480 his men set off to the island to clear the old squamish houses and trees. 555 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,240 Mayor was one step ahead of him, though he was already waiting on the island with the 556 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,240 police. 557 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,160 It was arrested, but succeeded in taking down trees and houses later. 558 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,720 In 1911, he finally won his case, but Ludgate was unable to meet with the terms of his lease 559 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,560 and he lost the island to the government in 1930 anyway. 560 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,000 The island was abandoned again until 1943. 561 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,400 Then it became the home of the HMCS Discovery, Her Majesty's Canadian Ship. 562 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,600 Not sure what the fuck that even means. 563 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,600 Well it's kind of like HMS. 564 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800 It's just like you put it in the name of the ships. 565 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,800 That's all they are. 566 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560 You know, like you'll see like the SS, the HMS. 567 00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Yeah. 568 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Yeah. 569 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,560 It sounds just like it might be. 570 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,200 Oh, it says right here. 571 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,560 The Vancouver's Naval Reserve Division was housed on the Stonefrogate, which is strategically 572 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,240 located on the island, so it must have something to do with that. 573 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,240 Sounds official. 574 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Today, this is still the case. 575 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,960 Unfortunately, the island is close to the public. 576 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,880 I am making sure you know this because I brought it up more than once. 577 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Most of the paranormal phenomena are experienced by reservists. 578 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,800 Normally, the island is unoccupied at night, but on some occasions, naval personnel spent 579 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,960 a night or two there, and everyone who stayed over on the island experienced strange things. 580 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,600 Building number one seems to be the most active paranormal spot. 581 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,520 Those who spend the night there claim to have heard footsteps in the rooms above them. 582 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,840 They even have heard furniture move. 583 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,040 When they went up to check, no one was there. 584 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,880 They thought it was someone of security, but later discovered they were on the island alone. 585 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,840 Some reservists have seen full apparition bodies, some heard disembodied voices, and others 586 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,160 have witnessed a strange glow through the trees, which formed into a human shape. 587 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,840 Which that one is kind of the most disturbing. 588 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,440 Not that I wouldn't be scared shitless if anything was happening if I was alone on the 589 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,920 island by myself, but probably most disturbed if I saw a glowing human come through the 590 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,920 shitless… 591 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Which, again, I can meet with another Simpsons reference of Mr. Burns going through his treatments. 592 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,240 But he only brings peace and love. 593 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,240 And those are my hauntings for Canada. 594 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,480 There are more, but I was really taken by the Nehanny. 595 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,760 I'd never heard about it, and I thought it sounded super cool. 596 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,320 Yeah, it is. 597 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,920 And frankly, the weird thing you gotta run into and wrestle with in your mind as a Canadian 598 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,240 is whether or not these are just famous goose encounters. 599 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,160 Because we live in a goose-infested wasteland that is Canada. 600 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,680 And we also live in a fear of the goose infested wasteland. 601 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,760 Yeah, most other countries don't have to deal with this when they're talking about 602 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,840 their famous hauntings, but that's just our little piece of Canada. 603 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,160 So really you learned three things about Canadian hauntings to take forth with you. 604 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,160 On this journey we call life, and to the fringe. 605 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160 We also call it that. 606 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,360 Yeah, and with that, I have been Taylor, here with 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