1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,000 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:21,160 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, just two adults in a trench coat of facts. 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,720 We are your adults for this podcast, Taylor and Chelsea, and today we are taking a look 4 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:32,000 at Giants, I think that are not associated with the Smithsonian Institute this time around, 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,240 Chelsea, am I correct? 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,480 I don't think so. 7 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:38,000 I don't think they have attempted to cover this one up. 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,120 There is some wiggle room, actually, if we want to say it was. 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,640 I mean, it's all unofficial. 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Okay. 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,520 Well, we can unofficially add that. 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,720 So I'll make sure to say something at the end if we need to. 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,920 But this is Chelsea's episode, so I am going to turn it over to her. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,920 Yeah, that's me. 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:01,120 This week by request, we're doing the Giant of Kandahar, and this story first appears in 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:07,560 a collection of military encounters put together into a little book with this title, Tales 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,160 from the Grid Square by Nick Orton. 18 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,520 So he says in relation to this book, quote, 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,840 And Chelsea, just so that we're all on the same page, this would be the second Gulf War, 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:18,840 correct? 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,840 Like 2003 onwards. 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,640 That's a very good question. 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,640 I don't think it says that. 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,640 It says to year and from that you will be able to tell which one it's for. 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,520 So he says of the book, quote, 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,800 During the war, many members of the U.S. military and coalition would encounter activity that 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:42,640 would defy normality, end quote, Orton wrote on Havoc Journal, quote, UFOs, cryptids and 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,800 ghosts, many bore witness to the immense and immeasurable mystery of Afghanistan. 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:53,320 What they witnessed is often kept close to the heart, be it terrifying or truly something 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,720 incredible, end quote. 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Now that that is established, let me regale you with the terrifying encounter in focus 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,200 tonight. 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,920 The events that took place surrounding the giant of Kandahar, which allegedly happened 34 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:13,520 in 2002 in a desert part of Afghanistan when the U.S. Army Squad went missing. 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,240 Does that answer your question? 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Yes. 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:17,240 So second Gulf War. 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Yeah. 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,240 Okay. 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,240 Yeah. 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,240 Yeah. 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,240 That's that's what I said. 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,000 So the special ops task force, which the branch is unknown, there is speculation that 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,880 it was possibly Rangers considering that the missing squad was army. 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,800 I know nothing about the army and the military. 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,920 So yeah, they were power Rangers know all about them. 47 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:39,920 Yeah. 48 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:40,920 Yeah. 49 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:41,920 Yeah. 50 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:43,080 No, normal, normal Rangers, nothing. 51 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,920 They got to have power for me to know what they have. 52 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:47,920 Yep. 53 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:53,460 So the special ops task force was sent to find what had happened and the soldiers walked 54 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:58,280 along a Reagan mountainous trail until arriving at the entrance of a large cave. 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,160 They found pieces of broken U.S. military equipment and gear that were scattered all 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,480 around the clearing and the task force was about to enter the cave to explore its recesses 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:18,600 when at 12 to 15 foot roughly red headed six digit two rows of teeth bearing humanoid emerged 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,600 and attacked the soldiers. 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:27,120 The giant impaled one of the U.S. service members named Dan with a giant spear then 60 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,960 proceeded to attack the rest of the squad. 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:36,960 The witness states that it took 30 seconds of continuous fire to down the giant between 62 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:45,560 them. The squad was armed with a full auto M four carbines in quotes recon carbines semi 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,560 automatic. 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:53,840 There's a lot of quotes and brackets here and M 107 Barrette anti material rifles firing 65 00:03:53,840 --> 00:04:03,600 point 50 BMG that was some sort of code I think this much firepower concentrated on 66 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,880 one target for one second let alone 30 would be extremely destructive. 67 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,640 According to the witness the giant war canvas or animal hide covers of some sort to protect 68 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,720 its feet like moccasins and it smelled like dead bodies. 69 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,000 The creature's body was airlifted back to the squad's base by helicopter and net from 70 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,440 there it was loaded into an aircraft and taken away and was never seen again probably to 71 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,440 the Smithsonian. 72 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:36,400 Yeah, upon their return the soldiers were made to sign non disclosure paperwork to stop 73 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,560 the word spreading of their encounter. 74 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,680 The witness states that he broke his silence because people have the right to know what's 75 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,440 happening on our planet and he probably got sued or something. 76 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,680 I don't know what happens if you break it and yeah. 77 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Yeah, well it ends and generally if it's a contract like you need to receive something 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,720 to sign an NDA or it's not valid. 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,960 So I'm sure they got paid off. 80 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Yeah, oh you have to get money. 81 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,000 Well to make it a legal contract you need to receive something back. 82 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,720 You can't just, yeah you can't just sign something. 83 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,680 You saying I'm not going to say anything about this without saying anything back is just a 84 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,240 promise which is not legally binding without a promise back. 85 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,400 But of course with the government you could have something separate but why would you 86 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,400 sign it? 87 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,160 I mean you could have your job in return. 88 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,160 Would that work? 89 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,160 No. 90 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Okay that doesn't work. 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Continue job doesn't count. 92 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,160 No. 93 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,160 Sign this or you're fired is not a valid argument. 94 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Oh okay. 95 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,520 I'm sorry just an aside this is not legal advice. 96 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,520 Do not take this as legal advice. 97 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,680 Maybe I should give the legal advice. 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,600 You should be giving the legal advice. 99 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,680 So that's the story of the giant of Kandahar. 100 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,800 I gotta be honest I thought there was more to it than that but that's the story. 101 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,840 Everywhere you can find it it's identical. 102 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:01,400 Even with cryptids where you look up like origin stories and stuff like that you find 103 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,360 a little bit of difference between the stories and you kind of have to. 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,760 People want to have their flair. 105 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,600 Yeah you kind of put it together and like make your own story and journey to the fringe 106 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,720 story but this everywhere I saw it was identical. 107 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,000 I wonder if that's just because part of it is it is so new like it's the last 20 years 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,760 ish so it's fairly new so it hasn't had time to kind of like creep out and have its different 109 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,360 forms or if it's the fact that it comes it came from the military so it's a very matter 110 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,000 of fact story. 111 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 That's true. 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,160 A military person tells a story it's A to B to C they're not they're not changing it. 113 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,920 It sounds like it's almost in like a press release or something and it's just been copied 114 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,560 and pasted like that's how I saw it. 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:51,200 So the story's been popularized as it was featured on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. 116 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,480 There are others that talk about giants within the like paranormal community that point to 117 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,840 the story in their research and that includes Stephen Quayle one that needs to be added 118 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:08,600 to our list I think and L.A. Marzulli which I can't really remember what he talks about 119 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,400 but obviously it's giants. 120 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:17,880 It's a great name like it would be a good balance with our Bill Moore. 121 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:25,840 So in August 2016 Snopes did an article on this it's a fairly short article and they 122 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,480 reached out in the article to the Department of Defense about the Kandahar giant incident 123 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:37,600 and the Department of Defense told Snopes in no uncertain terms that they had no record 124 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,920 or information about the special forces members killed by a giant in Kandahar seems pretty 125 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:43,920 suspicious. 126 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,920 They would say that. 127 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:54,440 So what's more there are no press releases on the Department of Defense's website involving 128 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,880 either a special forces troop disappearing in Afghanistan or of any incident involving 129 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,640 soldiers spelling a giant. 130 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,640 Obviously this lack of evidence doesn't prove that the myth of the Kandahar giant doesn't 131 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,640 exist. 132 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:14,240 In fact Snopes's debunking of the legend has had quite the opposite effect in certain 133 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,680 cryptid spaces which claim that the government is trying to hide the truth from the public 134 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:19,680 obviously. 135 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Yeah well and in conspiracy talking circles Snopes does not have the best reputation. 136 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,240 No I wonder what Bill Moore would have said. 137 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:35,120 Yeah so around the same time that the Snopes article came out that tried to discredit the 138 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,240 story L.A. Marzulli told several right wing websites that the United States government 139 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,680 was covering up the spectacular story and that those in power had a vested interest 140 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:52,080 in keeping the truth of biblical prophecies from being exposed to the general public. 141 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,240 Quote from L.A. Marzulli, people have the right to know about this stuff. 142 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,240 If there are 15 or 18 flitters roaming the earth and our military has brought them down 143 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,560 we have the right as American citizens to know about it he said. 144 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:10,560 And we're Canadian so maybe we don't have the right to know about it but I'd like to 145 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:11,680 think we do. 146 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:17,000 In a perfect world his quote goes on I mean this isn't classified military stuff well it 147 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,600 appears to be L.A. Marzulli. 148 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,320 He says this is something we need to know and it points back to the biblical prophetic 149 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,320 narrative. 150 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Also he's messed up the height because the original Kanda Harsaiting had a 12 to 15 151 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:36,440 footer which by the way if you estimate a human size between like 5 and 8 feet if you 152 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:43,200 estimated a human size between 5 and 8 feet like a 3 foot range is huge you don't get 153 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,400 away with it with people so like. 154 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,280 Most people are within that range. 155 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Most people are within that range but maybe it's just because you've never seen something 156 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,000 so big so you don't know exactly like how to measure it. 157 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,120 But if you take your size and you're like it's roughly double me. 158 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,840 But that would only make it 10 feet 10 to 12 feet. 159 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,760 And actually what I think about it too looking at trees I'm not even going to get within 160 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,040 a 3 foot range of how big it is. 161 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:19,480 No it would be a much greater range I'd just be like that's roughly between a 50 to 300 162 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,480 foot. 163 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Yeah. 164 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:28,200 Because anyone between taller than me and 500 feet somewhere in that range. 165 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Possibly could be higher. 166 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,080 But even be shorter than me. 167 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,960 Too far away as hell. 168 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:43,640 Okay so in a now deleted video first posted August 16 2016 Marzulli interviewed this person 169 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:49,400 called Mr. K and he's a man who was purporting to be a soldier who said he witnessed the 170 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,040 giant of Kandahar. 171 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Mr. K claims. 172 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Is he Dan? 173 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Is it Dan K? 174 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,480 No because I think Dan died. 175 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,360 I think he was the one who died. 176 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Said he was impaled I didn't think he actually died. 177 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,720 No he died. 178 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,720 Okay. 179 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:04,720 By the impaling. 180 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,040 I guess it would be a pretty that would be a fairly significant hole in your chest I'm 181 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,640 guessing from like because this guy's 12 to 15 feet tall so it's gotta be a pretty like 182 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,160 that would be like let's just assume it's three times the normal width of a spear because 183 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,280 it's three times the size. 184 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,720 That's like bigger than a pruslin. 185 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:28,280 Mr. K claimed he saw the giant carrying a spear and murdering oh this is where we found 186 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,040 out he was murdered he succumbed to his injuries. 187 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:37,000 A United States soldier named Dan before he and the other special forces took it down. 188 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,160 I mean they didn't say he's not a ghost so it could be Dan. 189 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,200 According to Marzuli the creature was a Nephilim a group of people mentioned in Genesis who 190 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,840 were said to be offspring of the gods and human women who inhabit a Kenan at the time 191 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,400 of the Israelite conquest and they were people of unusually large size and strength that 192 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,920 could be found in the Middle East before and after the flood of Noah's Ark. 193 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,800 I didn't realize rodents of unusual size from Princess Diaries had like a biblical origin 194 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,800 for name. 195 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Who? 196 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,160 Rodents of unusual size from Princess Bride because he just said that the humans of unusual 197 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,600 size and strength. 198 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Yeah. 199 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,560 Yeah so same same naming format as in the Bible biblical in nature. 200 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:24,560 Okay. 201 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,120 We can get past that don't worry. 202 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,240 You'll let everybody listen. 203 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,640 I always do. 204 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:40,360 Anyhow biblical prophesied in the Snopes article the only Dan they found that died in Kandahar 205 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,360 around the time of this alleged incident in 2002 was Sergeant First Class Daniel A Romero 206 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,280 who was killed in a bomb blast alongside three other soldiers. 207 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,280 Wait. 208 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,280 So. 209 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Only one Dan died in the Afghanistan fight? 210 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,360 Around this time. 211 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,360 Huh. 212 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Yeah. 213 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Okay. 214 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,000 So you think there would be multiple around this time for you? 215 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 It's common name I would have assumed. 216 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000 It is. 217 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,320 It just feels like. 218 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:14,040 So even with the evidence stacked against it I mean it was only two things so far in 219 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,320 which the evidence says this didn't happen. 220 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Snopes is trying really hard. 221 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:24,040 The myth of the Kandahar giant is still said to be an open secret among soldiers who served 222 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,800 in Kandahar in 2002 and several veterans who served in the region have said that from that 223 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,840 point on they were instructed to point their weapons high by aiming for the head and then 224 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,040 a little higher. 225 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,720 That's the whole giant of Kandahar story. 226 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,800 But I don't want to end it so soon. 227 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,000 I know you want more stories aren't you you want them right? 228 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Yes. 229 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,440 I would like at least three more stories. 230 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,680 Before you even answer you're in luck. 231 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,440 That is if you said you wanted more stories he didn't answer. 232 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,120 I just had to continue reading what I wrote. 233 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,280 It was written though. 234 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,560 So that then I didn't go to waste. 235 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,600 Here are a few mentions of stories appearing in Orton's book. 236 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,880 Remember he wrote that book that I talked about the spooky military one where that story 237 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:18,680 first appeared and then LA Merzouli kind of like held onto it as well and other people 238 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:19,840 Stephen Quill. 239 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Next story. 240 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,360 There are many accounts of soldiers who have been reported seeing massive humanoids that 241 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,400 tower over the normal man in Afghanistan. 242 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,400 Orton continued. 243 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,040 Why is that even in there? 244 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,360 These stories are out there albeit hard to come by. 245 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,440 Not many are going to come forward and claim they saw a massive man running around in 246 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,240 the mountains of Afghanistan. 247 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,600 But perhaps there is something truly massive out there. 248 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,560 First we've got the giant of Kunar. 249 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:53,480 A massive being an infantry team leader reportedly saw during a deployment between 2008 and 2009. 250 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,880 While overlooking a village one fateful night the soldier peered through his newly mounted 251 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,320 thermal scope. 252 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,680 As he spanned the valley he came across a very large heat signature. 253 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,680 He assumed was a group of Taliban fighters huddled together around a light high up in 254 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,120 the mountains. 255 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,600 All of a sudden the heat signature stood up as one being the soldier recalled in Orton's 256 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,600 post. 257 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,680 The trees in that area grew up to about 10 to 12 feet tall and this thing was at least 258 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,120 as tall if not taller than the trees that surrounded it. 259 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,480 Can you see trees on thermal scope? 260 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,960 I don't think so but I don't know for sure. 261 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,400 You can see like especially some of these behind trees you would see like the trees. 262 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,400 You would see the tree line. 263 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,400 Yeah. 264 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,400 Yeah. 265 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,680 The tree was slow and relaxed yet it moved with incredible speed. 266 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,280 Well if it's giant of course it does. 267 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:50,000 The soldier added noting the giant's chill yet purposeful vibe. 268 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,760 It's gonna be hard to notice chill through a heat signature hey. 269 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Yeah. 270 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,680 It would have to have quite the stride to portray chill. 271 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Yeah. 272 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,520 But I can't say I wouldn't know what to see it. 273 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,160 I would know a chill walking vibe wouldn't you? 274 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,800 I don't know. 275 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:15,320 All you need is a heat signature to tell you that nice chill if he's walking chill enough. 276 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Chill but purposeful. 277 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:23,640 Chill but okay I would be able to tell a chill vibe not a chill yet purposeful vibe. 278 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,640 Gotta say. 279 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Yeah. 280 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,560 I feel those are kind of one or the other are they not? 281 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Like chill kind of denotes no purpose. 282 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,960 I can tell you chill vibe walking vibe. 283 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,000 I can't tell you. 284 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,720 You could tell purposeful. 285 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,440 You could tell purposeful it would probably seem like he had somewhere to be. 286 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Yeah. 287 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,720 Like looks at his watch and like just kind of picks up speed but they're not the same. 288 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,720 They're very opposites. 289 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,880 No they're not. 290 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 You couldn't tell that from a heat signature. 291 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,120 I would have trouble with a heat signature that's for sure. 292 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Yeah. 293 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Yeah. 294 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,120 Maybe we just need to see the heat signature. 295 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Maybe we do. 296 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Maybe that's what we're missing. 297 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Maybe if we saw it we'd be like yeah that's for sure. 298 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,160 No purpose to describe this. 299 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,040 So did I read this? 300 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,480 Walk parallel to the soldier's position for a time before disappearing along a nearby 301 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,480 spur. 302 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,000 Not sure about that. 303 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,400 Stories of the encounter were not shared with many. 304 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,080 The soldier reportedly said but memories of what he had seen came flooding back after 305 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,000 listening to the coast to coast dispatch. 306 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 It's funny how that happens. 307 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,440 I think that's what I saw. 308 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,320 A member of an ancient race of giants that descended from fallen angels he wrote or it 309 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,960 could be something like Sasquatch. 310 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,200 I'm not sure. 311 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,360 I mean those are two good options for that. 312 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:45,360 So it goes on. 313 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:50,920 Orton also includes the story of an anonymous Air Force drone operator who was working in 314 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,800 the northern part of Afghanistan during the war. 315 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,160 Scanning around doing my thing and looking for stuff. 316 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,160 He recalled. 317 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,280 That would be a part of the job description for that I'm sure. 318 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,520 And one day the drone operator. 319 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,520 One day. 320 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,400 I got so excited to read the story. 321 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:16,040 One day the drone operator spotted three giants each standing roughly 12 foot tall. 322 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,280 There is a ruler tool that tells you how wide your crosshair is. 323 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,920 And the people were as tall as the crosshair was wide the operator said. 324 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,880 This was all in mid wave which is infrared at night. 325 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Also they showed up as black humanoid heat signatures. 326 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:37,520 For 10 minutes the operator observed them during which time he reported the giants tended 327 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,360 their fire and performed other chores. 328 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:41,360 You know. 329 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,360 Hold on. 330 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:43,360 Bill but purposefully. 331 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:44,360 He says. 332 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:45,360 You know. 333 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,360 Giant stuff. 334 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,360 Oh wait he actually said that. 335 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,360 Yeah he did. 336 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:51,360 Okay. 337 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:52,360 Giant. 338 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:56,560 The chores he was observant were giant stuff. 339 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,560 Okay. 340 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Those giant they're very particular. 341 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,080 If you see them doing chores. 342 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,000 They only have giant stuff to do. 343 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,600 Not only is it only giant stuff. 344 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,080 The way they walk is indescribable. 345 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,760 You could never picture it until you saw a giant walking. 346 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,400 He goes on to say the only interesting thing was the size. 347 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,400 The giant was not interesting. 348 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,760 I'm sorry what were the goats. 349 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,120 They look like cats next to them. 350 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:29,120 Okay. 351 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:32,520 There are goats that are the size of cats. 352 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,560 There are baby goats. 353 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,080 And there are baby goats. 354 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Yes. 355 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:43,720 Another airman recalled doing a pre-opsoak northeast of Koringal Valley where he scanned 356 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,640 and analyzed real time video feeds. 357 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,680 According to his elaborate account the airman watched some dudes. 358 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,440 God you gotta love the late 2000s. 359 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,120 He watched some dudes around a fire to see if he could identify any weapons. 360 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,720 This is definitely the 2000s. 361 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,960 After about 20 minutes what we thought were two dudes huddled together under a blanket 362 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,560 stood up the airman wrote. 363 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,080 The guy made the rest of the dudes look like children. 364 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:18,200 In terms of height he stood up and walked over to a mud hut that he had to bend way 365 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,760 over to get him. 366 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,960 Is there a chance that this dude just happened to be hanging out with children? 367 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,960 None at all. 368 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,960 Okay. 369 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,960 None. 370 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,960 Finally. 371 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:40,720 An Australian army officer who was on sentry duty in the country's Erusgan province recalled 372 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:46,000 spotting a giant going for a leisurely stroll around a nearby compound. 373 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,320 It was lanky and wore unusual clothing he said. 374 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:55,440 By lacing the compound the officer estimated the giant to be about 1800 meters away. 375 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,760 It wasn't in any hurry and I followed it for about 5 minutes before it went out of my field 376 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,760 of vision. 377 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:07,440 The officer recalled adding that he suspected the giant to be about 12 feet tall or 14 feet 378 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,200 according to its Tinder profile. 379 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,200 What? 380 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Uh. 381 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,360 Just looked like it was walking he wrote on Orton's post. 382 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,080 It wasn't in a hurry at all but was aware of what was happening around it. 383 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,440 Looking around especially near the compounds. 384 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,800 I don't know of anyone else who saw anything like it. 385 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,320 Never told anyone about it before but it has stayed with me over all of these years. 386 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:40,200 So those are some interesting military stories about giants. 387 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,200 Yeah. 388 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,800 I do have a- you know what? 389 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,960 I think I'm gonna wrap it up here see what your thoughts are on this. 390 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,880 I did have another quick one but it doesn't belong in this episode I just quickly decided 391 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:59,080 because it's- it doesn't have to do with the military we could just do an overall giant 392 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,720 episode but what do you think? 393 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,560 You think they're real don't you? 394 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,560 Yeah. 395 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Of course. 396 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,080 I mean Dan died for us to learn this story. 397 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Yeah. 398 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,360 Be that maybe Dan's real name wasn't Dan and it was just a nickname. 399 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,040 Maybe it was short for Dandy because he's the dandiest guy in the group. 400 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240 I wouldn't be surprised. 401 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,680 And of course this is fully believable because the most professional of the sightings was 402 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,160 from an Australian. 403 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,840 Of course known for their straight no silly business talk. 404 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,720 The Australians are the most credible of people. 405 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Yeah. 406 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,400 I mean all their- the names of their places are not hilarious in the least bit. 407 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,400 Yeah. 408 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,680 And he didn't slip one C word in there so you know Australian. 409 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,280 They would never do that. 410 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Yeah. 411 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:53,360 No I- I've never seen such casual like we cover a lot of cryptids and I've never seen 412 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:58,080 such casual analysis of them being seen. 413 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,000 This has to be our best analysis. 414 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:08,400 Observations happening in real time we've ever come across some dudes chill but what 415 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,400 was the way he was watching. 416 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,400 Oh purposeful. 417 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,400 Chill but purposeful. 418 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,680 And giant stuff. 419 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,600 They sound pretty elegant as a species. 420 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,640 They sound like they have their own things that they have to do that is completely foreign 421 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,120 to human stuff and that as soon as you see it you would just say oh yeah they're doing 422 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:27,120 giant stuff. 423 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,120 You know what's a giant. 424 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,160 Yeah that's giant stuff for sure. 425 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,640 Like are they sharpening bones? 426 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Are they like watching a goose like golden eggs? 427 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,680 Pretty much everything I expect from giants comes from Jack and the Beanstalk by the 428 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,680 way so. 429 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:49,440 Not only that but I assume that you can only know this once you observe a giant so we might 430 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,440 just be not able to be privy to this information because we've never seen a giant. 431 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,440 Yeah. 432 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,800 You have to see it and then you're like right that's giant stuff. 433 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,120 Yeah no some of that latent information that lies hidden deep within your brain that only 434 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:11,160 upon seeing a giant you're like right it's right it's coming back to me giant stuff. 435 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,520 It's giant stuff for sure. 436 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,000 I've never seen a giant before but that is some giant stuff. 437 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,880 It's all coming back to me now. 438 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,880 That is just described as giant stuff and that's it. 439 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,880 Yeah so that was an episode full of giant stuff. 440 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,880 Yeah. 441 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,280 Giant military stuff. 442 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,160 Yeah and I feel like yeah we have to do an episode on L.A. Marzouli who just takes everything 443 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,720 at face value apparently and doesn't ask questions back in any way. 444 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,720 No. 445 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,240 That's at least my understanding as of right now. 446 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,200 It's a name I as soon as he said it I'm like right that's a name that used to come up a 447 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,880 lot not in this episode but in this show but he was like all over coast to coast back in 448 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,040 the early 2000s. 449 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,040 It was. 450 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,920 Can't put a name to his face or what he actually talked about but apparently a lot of giants 451 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,240 so you best believe he's going on to the list. 452 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,400 Then with Steven Coyle I forgot about him as well. 453 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,400 Yes. 454 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,680 And I also got him confused with that other guy Steven Greer. 455 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,880 Greer yeah and Greer is already on the list. 456 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,880 He is yeah. 457 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,880 Yeah. 458 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,760 So that's our Friday episode. 459 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,960 Well I think it's good and I most importantly. 460 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,960 I do as well. 461 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,280 Yes it's probably our most recent of cryptid I guess would you call it a cryptid? 462 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,240 Yeah I don't see why not. 463 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,240 Yeah. 464 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,720 And I always like because there are other giant stories that we'll definitely do in 465 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,200 another episode where they always make sure that they say the double sets of teeth and 466 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,240 six fingers on each hand and usually they'll also say red hair. 467 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,240 Red hair yeah. 468 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,520 And I just went to the Bible but yeah. 469 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Yeah. 470 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,520 Don't worry. 471 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,760 We'll talk about that at a later date. 472 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,760 Yeah. 473 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,760 Okay. 474 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Well that's all I have to say. 475 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,080 Okay and I think that's all I have to say so I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 476 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,560 We are during to the fringe. 477 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 478 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,240 Bye. 479 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 480 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,600 If you have liked what you have listened to please like, share, subscribe or follow 481 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,920 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 482 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Also please if possible leave a five star review as that really helps us in the algorithms. 483 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,920 If you wish to interact with us please check us out on your social media of choice. 484 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,680 I bet you we are there. 485 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,120 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell 486 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:46,040 us that we're wrong and terrible either way please send us an email at journeytothefringe.com. 487 00:26:46,040 --> 00:27:00,440 For now I'll see you in the next episode.