1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:28,000 From the unexplained to the mundane, join us on our journey to the French. 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Hello Ed welcome to Journey to the Fringe where things can get a little spooky. 3 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:42,000 We are your clearly terrified host Taylor and Chelsea and today we're gonna be talking about those deals that people have heard about before. 4 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 They're deals with the devil. I don't know how else to say it really. 5 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:52,000 I tried to get fancy with it but I have not entered into a pact for better linguistic skills and you guys are listening anyway so we're fine. 6 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Um, no that was perfect. 7 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,000 I think this is always a fun little topic. We need something every year where we're talking about the devil. 8 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 He's gotta make an appearance. Why not look at his contractual skills? 9 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:13,000 The plan today is to kind of go over the history of it. Look at the archetypes of the story and then to give you real or alleged deals with the devil that have seen throughout history. 10 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Yeah I'd be interested in that. 11 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:27,000 The concept of making a deal with the devil also known as a pact with the devil, a Faustian bargain or a Methystophelian bargain is a cultural motif usually European in origin but we'll get into that a little bit. 12 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:36,000 It's also heavily elemental to many Christian traditions. You'll remember there's actually a part of the Bible where Jesus gets offered a deal from the devil but he declines it. 13 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:44,000 That's where he's wandering through the desert and the devil just keeps like asking him to come to his side and he's like come on we got money we got lots of food. 14 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 You can use your magics and he said no. 15 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 I do not remember that actually. 16 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,000 He said no and there's a word for making a deal. 17 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,000 There's other terms for it. It's a Faustian bargain or a Methystophelian bargain. 18 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Never heard of that. 19 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Yeah they're more German I think than English but we will get into why they're called that as well. 20 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Well okay let's learn. 21 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:22,000 According to traditional Christian beliefs about witchcraft the pact is between a person and the devil or another demon trading a soul for diabolical favors and these favors vary by the tale but tend to include youth, knowledge, wealth, fame, fortune and power. 22 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Now Chelsea how far back do you think these stories go? 23 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Very far. 24 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:34,000 I would say when the first like molecule was crawling out of the ocean to become a human. 25 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Okay so you're saying about three billion years ago. 26 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Not quite that far as far as I can tell. 27 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Mostly because there's no recorded records from that time outside of the fossil records. 28 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,000 So it's hard to catalog a contract especially if it's an oral contract. 29 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Over several billion years. 30 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,000 So let's say the first catalog contract is with the devil. 31 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 My original inclination was to say it probably goes back as far as Christianity. 32 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 That makes sense right? 33 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Like two thousands this year. 34 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 So we're thinking logical about it then. 35 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:17,000 But there are stories that share this archetype of the deal with the devil that go back to about six thousand years or kind of the start of the bronze age. 36 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Generally these stories going back that far relate to sniffs. 37 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Working, making metal and fabricating metal and putting pieces of metal together. 38 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 They're traditionally losing these stories due to the fact that they're working around fire and brimstone. 39 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 It's an area that's outside of the regular person's parlay. 40 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Or at least understandings generally. 41 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000 These people are just doing this thing that you don't really know anything about. 42 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 But it involves fire so they've probably made a deal. 43 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 And you'll see different stories from that area. 44 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Particularly saying like oh this guy's metal is unearthly good compared to others. 45 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:59,000 And you'll see different stories either where the guy gets these powers and then tricks the deity or the demon who gives him the powers. 46 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 If he has such good metal he can trap him in a cage. 47 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Or the pact is for something that the smith deems insignificant and it turns out it's very significant what he's traded for it. 48 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Like a child that he didn't know was in a tree that he traded. 49 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Yeah, apparently he's easy to outsmart from what we know about him. 50 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Yeah. 51 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:24,000 And there's actually a relatively well known Greek myth going back to like the good old Greek mythology that you could consider a deal with the devil. 52 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,000 And that's Orpheus who is a renowned musician and poet. He marries a nymph named Euridus. 53 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,000 And one day while Euridus was out in the countryside she was bitten by a snake and dies. 54 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Orpheus decides to go to the underworld to bring Euridus back. 55 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 He places Lyr so well that he charms the dog Cerberus. 56 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:47,000 He manages to persuade Hades, the ruler of the underworld and his wife Persephone, to allow him to bring Euridus back to the land of the living. 57 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,000 However, they set a rule when Orpheus is leaving. They say you can't look back at your wife until you're both on the surface. 58 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,000 They end up going. Orpheus leads Euridus all the way back to the entrance. 59 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And the underworld's always in a cave so they're coming out of a cave. Orpheus looks back. 60 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000 She's still in the cave, deal broken, so she has to go back. 61 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Okay. And Hades would be... 62 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Which it shares the architect. They have an agreement between a deity who rules the underworld that ends up kind of going against what the person thinks is going to do. 63 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Hades would be the equivalent of the devil. Kind of, right? 64 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Kind of. Kind of. 65 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,000 He would have had a different understanding of him back in the day as opposed to an evil entity. 66 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 He's more of just a guy who's doing a job. 67 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Yeah. Just like all the other gods. 68 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Yeah. Even torture chambers have guys that were just doing their jobs as opposed to truly evil entities. 69 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 But these tales been being told for a long time. 70 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,000 They seem to fall into three different categories as the purpose of the story. 71 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,000 The first one is kind of to teach the lesson of some deals are too good to be true. 72 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:56,000 That's always you enter a pact for something easy and it turns out that you're giving up something that you don't realize is more valuable than what you're actually getting. 73 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Which at the end of the day is just trying kind of a life lesson they're trying to pass on. Some things are too good to be true. 74 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 The next one that's super easy. 75 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Outsiders are bad because the devil gave them these powers. It's just a catch all that outsiders are bad because devil or bad thing. 76 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:21,000 You'll see a lot of association with deals with the devil with witches, which are really just people that are worshiping nature in a lot of senses and no devil association. 77 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:27,000 What's well, but because Christianity is there, they have good or bad. You're outside. It's bad and therefore devil associated. 78 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Okay. 79 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:37,000 You'll also see this with regards to like several people we've talked about like HPB, Alistair Crowley and Mother Shipton were just outsiders of society who were associated with the devil. 80 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:44,000 They actually made a pact, but I think it was more so just because they were just outside society and it was easier to say that what they were doing was bad. 81 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:57,000 And then the last category, which I think is the one we see the most nowadays, especially when you're talking about like people who have allegedly really done this, is this person is pretty good at something or better at it than me. 82 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 So they probably gained it through other worldly powers. 83 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Yeah, that makes sense though. 84 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Other cultures do have somewhat similar phenomenons. If you're looking at the Middle East, they have Jin or Jinies and a Jinie granting you three wishes, particularly ones that end up backfiring on you is a very similar tale of a deal with the devil. 85 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 I think that's similar also with the Monkey Paw. 86 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Exactly. Yeah. But that's all Jin related. 87 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Yeah, I thought the Monkey Paw was Jin related. 88 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Similar stories, however, you're going to see a lot more of people being able to trick Jin and gain power from them in Middle Eastern stories as opposed to deals with the devils generally aren't tricked, except when you're talking about like the stories truly fabricated and have no standing in reality. 89 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Or you know if the devil's coming in and asks you to build a church. 90 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Or was it a wine bar? He wanted a wine bar and they built a church. 91 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,000 He wanted a wine bar. He didn't get the... No, he did get the wine bar, I think. 92 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Yeah. 93 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Eventually he got the wine bar. 94 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 I can't remember. That was lost. Yeah. 95 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:05,000 In India, there are somewhat similar stories of people making deals with what's called the Azuras, which are basically the evil entities in Hindu culture. 96 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:11,000 I could not find a similar story in Chinese mythology. I did ask a few people, but I was unable to come up with anything. 97 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,000 But these are kind of typical archetypes of those three stories are found basically everywhere. 98 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Do they not have any in China? 99 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 I asked several Chinese friends who could not give me a straight answer. So that might be a future story. 100 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Also, not a lot of research came up with anything. 101 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Okay. Weird. 102 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,000 So, yeah, it might be out there. I couldn't find anything. 103 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 You would think there'd be something. Just one. 104 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Yeah, you would think. 105 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:41,000 So I just want to give you quickly. This is the story. You remember how we called it a foushbargen or a Mephistophelian bargain? 106 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Yeah, I'll never remember that, but yes. 107 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,000 This is the story. It's foush'd in the devil, specifically Mephistopheles. 108 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:55,000 It is a classic tale from German folklore. The story begins with a character named Faust, who is a scholar, and becomes discontented with his life. 109 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:01,000 He decides to make a pact with the devil, who in this story is called Mephistopheles, in exchange for knowledge and power. 110 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And the story foush'd is unsatisfied with his life as a scholar and becomes depressed. 111 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:12,000 After an attempt to take his own life, he calls on the devil for further knowledge and magic powers, with which to indulge all the pleasures and knowledge of the world. 112 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000 In response, Mephistopheles appears as the devil's representative. 113 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:22,000 He makes a bargain with foush'd. Mephistopheles will serve foush'd with his magic powers for a set number of years, 114 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,000 but at the end of the term, the devil will claim foush'd soul, and foush'd will be eternally enslaved. 115 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:39,000 During the term of the bargain, foush'd makes use of Mephistopheles in various ways, and then Goche's version of the story, Mephistopheles, helps foush'd to induce a beautiful and innocent young woman, 116 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:49,000 usually named Gretchen, whose life is ultimately destroyed when she gives birth to foush'd's illegitimate son. Realizing this unholy act, she drowns the child and is held for murder. 117 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Whoever Gretchen's innocence saves her in the end, and she enters heaven after execution. 118 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:00,000 That's one of those old-school happy endings, eh? Like a brother's grim happy ending. 119 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Yeah, okay, so are we feeling uncertain about this? 120 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 We're gonna feel uncertain about a couple of these, but let's keep going. 121 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:16,000 In the second rendition, foush'd is saved by God via his constantly striving in combination with Gretchen's pleading with God in the form of eternal feminine. 122 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:23,000 However, in the early tales, foush'd is irrevocably corrupted and believes his sins cannot be forgiven when the term ends, the devil carries him off to hell. 123 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:33,000 So that's kind of the archetypal one that you see in German mythology, and that's why it's called these things foush'd, in Bargains, Mephistopheles, in Bargains, in German, or in culture too. 124 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Like it's one of the archetype ones that we'll see. 125 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Also, the tale of the smith making the deal with the devil is in the original Brother Grimm's Tomb of Stories. 126 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Okay. 127 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 However, it doesn't show up in later versions. 128 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:52,000 So, we've heard the fables of this. How about we talk about some actual alleged deals with the devil, Chelsea? 129 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Yep, yes. 130 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,000 We're gonna start further back in time, and we're gonna carry on to near today. 131 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Uh-oh. Is that foreshadowing? 132 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Not really. 133 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Okay. 134 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I will start with, of course, not Jesus, but Jesus' interpreter on Earth, the Pope. 135 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Pope Sylvester II. 136 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Originally named Gerbert of Orlac. 137 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Gotta love the name Gerbert. 138 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 What? Gerbert of Orlac? 139 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Orlac, yeah. 140 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Orlac. What does that even mean? 141 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,000 I don't know, but there's a reason he chose the name Sylvester. Like, that's better. 142 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,000 I mean, it is better, but it's not, like, the best. 143 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:39,000 So, the legend of Gerbert grew from the work of the English monk William of Malmesbury and Cardinal Benno. 144 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:45,000 According to the legend, Gerbert, while studying mathematics and astrology in Muslim cities of Cordoba and Seville, 145 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 was accused of having learned sorcery. 146 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Gerbert was supposed to be in possession of a book of spells stolen from an Arab philosopher in Spain. 147 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Gerbert fled, pursued by the victims who could trace the thief by the stars, 148 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Gerbert was aware of the pursuit and hid, hanging from a wooden bridge where suspended between heaven and earth, he was invisible to the magician. 149 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 What? 150 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:10,000 That's actually something that comes up a lot in these deals, is a crossroad or a bridge between the worlds. 151 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:16,000 So, that's gonna be an entirely different episode, but I just wanted to point out that this is a bridge that he's hiding under, 152 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 where it's kind of between and hidden. 153 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Like, there's a reason it's specifically a bridge, but we'll talk about that in some other day. 154 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Like a bat. 155 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Yes. 156 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 That's weird. 157 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Gerbert was supposed to have built a brazen head. 158 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 This robotic head would answer his questions with yes or no. 159 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 And he was also reputed to have packed with a female demon called Merdiana, 160 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 who had appeared after he had been rejected by his earthly love, 161 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 and with whose help he managed to ascend to the papal throne. 162 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Another legend tells that he won the papacy playing dice with the devil. 163 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000 I don't know why the devil actually has a hand in who's the pope, but it's part of the deal apparently. 164 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Well, he probably wants someone there that's gonna like help him out. 165 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Well, yeah, but that's not what the pope's supposed to do. 166 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000 No, but I mean, that makes sense why the devil would want someone on his side. 167 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:09,000 But like, he gets ultimate authority and like loses it in the gamble of all things to this guy, so... 168 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Throwing bones in the back, Ellie, of all things. 169 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 So he has a gambling problem. 170 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:24,000 According to the legend, Merdiana, or the bronze head told Gerbert that if he should ever read a mass in Jerusalem, 171 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 the devil would come for him. 172 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,000 So that's the condition of the pact, like it ends once you read a mass in Jerusalem. 173 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 So just don't do that. Like, there's one thing you don't do. 174 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Yeah, I mean, the simple answer, particularly, sorry, this has been 900s. 175 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,000 It's actually pretty easy to avoid going to Jerusalem. 176 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 You're traveling all the way to Israel? 177 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Yeah. 178 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:50,000 This guy actually, you know, pretty smart. He's like, oh, shit, I actually have a pilgrimage coming up to Jerusalem. 179 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,000 I better just cancel that. 180 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Yeah, that is smart. 181 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 So he cancels that. 182 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:01,000 But anyhow, he ends up going and reading a mass in a church in Rome called the church Santa Croce Jerusalem. 183 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 I think it's Latin. 184 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Turns out it's actually called the Holy Cross of Jerusalem. 185 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Oh, no. 186 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 As soon as he's done, he's like, that was some great mass I just read there. 187 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,000 What's the name of this church you think you would have asked beforehand? 188 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Turns out it's the Holy Cross of Jerusalem. 189 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 He says, oh, shit, guess I just lost. 190 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 You get sick and ends up dying. 191 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,000 He asked his cardinals to cut up his body and scattered across the city. 192 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,000 And in another version, he was even attacked by the devil while he was reading the mass. 193 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,000 And the devil mutilated him and gave his gouged out eyes to demons to play with in the church. 194 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Repenting, Sylvester II then cut off his hand and his tongue. 195 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 And the inscription on Gerbert's tomb today reads, 196 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:46,000 This place will yield to the sound of the last trumpet, the limbs of the buried Sylvester II at the advent of the Lord. 197 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,000 And there's a legend of these words that says that his bones will rattle in the tomb just before the death of a pope. 198 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Really? 199 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Cool. 200 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 I'm left with a few questions. 201 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Okay. 202 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 You want to make a point? 203 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:04,000 I just wanted to say that's one of those fun stories about popes that one day will cover popes in general because they're kind of fun. 204 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000 That is one of the fun stories. 205 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 That's just a one-off. 206 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 That is a fun story. 207 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Okay, first one. 208 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,000 That seems like a technicality, but the devil is apparently good at technicalities. 209 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 He actually meant a church in Rome. 210 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 He should not read a whatever it's called there. 211 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Second, I thought this was going to tie in at some point because I was like, 212 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Wow, Gerbert of Orillac is a very cool name. 213 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,000 So I googled it and all that comes up like initially on the images is teeth. 214 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Oh. 215 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:39,000 So I thought perhaps this might have something to do with teeth, but it does not. 216 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 So I'm not sure why. 217 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,000 I couldn't tell you because when I do this, I do not get teeth. 218 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 You do not get teeth. 219 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 So there might be something in your search history. 220 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Or something is misspelled. 221 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 I don't know. 222 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Fair enough. 223 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Fair enough. 224 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,000 The next one, although this is not a specific person, Chelsea, I'm sure you've heard this one before, but it's the devil's Bible. 225 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Not currently. 226 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 If you keep reading, maybe. 227 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 It's a fairly short one. This is just a legend. 228 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 According to a medieval legend associated with the Codex Gigas, 229 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,000 a monk broke his monastic vows and was sentenced to be walled up alive. 230 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:18,000 In order to avoid his harsh penalty, he promised to create in one night a book to glorify the monastery forever, including all human knowledge. 231 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Near midnight, he became sure that he could not complete the task alone, which I mean, he should have realized that much sooner. 232 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:33,000 But, you know, he made a special prayer, not addressed to God, but the fallen angel Lucifer, asking him to help finish the book in exchange for his soul. 233 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 And the devil completed the manuscript and the monk added the devil's picture out of gratitude for his aid. 234 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 If you have never seen it, go look up the devil's Bible. It's pretty cool looking. 235 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:46,000 It's got big leather pages. It's like four feet tall. It's a massive book. 236 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:54,000 I've never heard of it, and I can't imagine being under so much pressure to complete something that I'd make a deal with the devil to finish it. 237 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,000 It's either that or be walled in alive. So I really don't know. 238 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Okay, I mean, that is a fair amount of pressure. 239 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Have you looked at the Bible? 240 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 I'm looking right now. It's pretty big. 241 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 And yeah, it's got that really creepy looking devil in it. 242 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Yeah, the Codex Gigas in National Library of Sweden. 243 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:16,000 So yeah, you can go look at it if you really want. You can't touch it, obviously, but it's a pretty cool looking thing. 244 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Yeah, that is cool. 245 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Next up, Dr. John Fian, I think. I don't quite know how to say it. It's Scottish, so you know it's just, it's a mouthful to actually say it right. 246 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Anyhow, he was a Scottish schoolmaster in Prestonpans East Lothian and purported sorcerer. 247 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:39,000 His suspicions of sorcery were caused by a confession from Gaelas Duncan, which after a prompted his examination as a sorcerer. 248 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Fian first openly confessed that he bewitched a gentleman to fall into fits of lunacy once every 24 hours. 249 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Why you're doing this? No idea. 250 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 But anyhow, he goes and verifies this. 251 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Fian caused the same gentleman to come before the presence of King James in the King's Chambers on December 24, 1590, 252 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:06,000 where he purportedly bewitched the man, causing him to be in a hysterical fit for an entire hour of screaming, contorting, and jumping high enough to touch the ceiling of the chambers. 253 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Ah. 254 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Don't know how tall the chambers are either. 255 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Okay. 256 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Like, it's a spin foot jump. 257 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Got two feet avert. That's a lot back then. 258 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 It's only like two inches above his head. 259 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Yeah. 260 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,000 But jumping was not invented until the 1600s, so it was a real feat. 261 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,000 After the hour ended, the gentleman declared no memory of the events as if he were asleep. 262 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Fian confessed during a later trial examination that he made a compact, I think the term is actually packed, with Satan, 263 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 who were renowned Satan, and vowed to lead the life of a Christian. 264 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:46,000 The next morning he confessed that during the previous night, the devil came to him in his cell, dressed in all black and with a white wand, 265 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:52,000 demanding Fian to continue his faithful service, according to the First Oath in promise of their agreement. 266 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Fian testified that he were now Satan, and to his face said, 267 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Now please just imagine that in like the harshest Scottish accent you can. 268 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Like Scrooge McDuck style actually. Just imagine Scrooge McDuck saying that. 269 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,000 That's the most romantic Scottish accent. 270 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 He confessed that the devil then answered, 271 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:25,000 That once ere thou die, thou shalt be mine. And again, just picture that because this is the same guy saying it. 272 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 That's also heavy Scottish. 273 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,000 And it's just gonna say, and plus he would be Scottish there in this situation as well. 274 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Yeah. The devil afterwards broke the white wand and immediately vanished from his sight. 275 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000 He then was given a chance to lead the life he promised, but the same night he stole a key to his cell and escaped. 276 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,000 He was eventually captured and tortured until his execution. 277 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:49,000 This next part is the torture that he endures, so viewer discretion is advised for the next 30 seconds. 278 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Oh man, what am I gonna do? 279 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 You have to listen. 280 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:58,000 He endured the torture of having his fingernails forcibly extracted, then having iron pins thrust therein, 281 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:06,000 the pilliwanks, which is the thumb crusher, and the boot to crush his feet until they were so small that they were no longer usable. 282 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Oh my God. 283 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:14,000 He was reported to have endured the torture without expressing any pain, and he was finally taken to the Castle Hill in Edinburgh, 284 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,000 placed in a cart, strangled and burnt on January 27, 1591. 285 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,000 And this is the weirdest part of the Wikipedia entry. 286 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:27,000 The cost of his execution was five pounds, 18 shillings, and two Ds. 287 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 I don't know what the D is, but I have no idea why they say that. 288 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Did the family have to pay it? Did they take it out of his pocket? 289 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Did it just show up on like the counting record for the year end? 290 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Did the devil pay it? 291 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000 I don't think so. 292 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,000 It should also be noted that English Ambassador Robert Bose recorded that during his execution, 293 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Fjann denied his confession, saying that he told those tales by fear of torture and to save his life. 294 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,000 So that story might not have actually happened, it is just a story to get torture. 295 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Next up, Urbain Grandier is a French Catholic priest in the mid 1600s, 296 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:07,000 and in 1632, a group of nuns from the local Ursuline, Convent, accused him of having bewitched them, sending the demon as Maud Asmadi, 297 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 among others to commit evil and impudent acts with them. 298 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Aldous Huxley, in his non-fiction novel, The Devil of Luden, argued that the accusations began after Grandier 299 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000 refused to become the spiritual director of the Convent. 300 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:26,000 Unaware of the mother superior, Jean de Ange had become obsessed with him after having seen him from afar 301 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 and heard of his sexual exploits. 302 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:34,000 According to Huxley, Mother Jean, enraged by his rejection, instead invited canon Jean Mignon, 303 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 an enemy of Grandier, to become the director. 304 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,000 And Jean, I hate, there's a Jean and Jean, so I'm just gonna say Jean. 305 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Jean then accused Grandier of using black magic to seduce her. 306 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 The other nuns gradually began to make similar accusations. 307 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,000 However, Montsure des Nuits, counselor at La Flèche, said that Grandier applied for the position, 308 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:00,000 but that was instead awarded to canon Jean Mignon, an enemy of Montsure Trinquette. 309 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Do you guys come here strictly because we read such good French? 310 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000 We really read every language nice. 311 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Even Scottish. 312 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Scottish, jeez, I can't use these Scottish words. 313 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000 I should be done. 314 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000 And it's basically English. 315 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 You know, I'm just gonna skip this story. 316 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 It's too damn hard to. 317 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 It's too hard to read these French words. 318 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I thought I had it. 319 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 You gotta leave that whole thing in. 320 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 You know what, that's fine. 321 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Let's move on to Christopher Heisman. 322 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 A good old Johann Christoph Heisman. 323 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Good easy name. 324 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 1650 to 1700s. 325 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 He was a Bavarian born Austrian painter. 326 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,000 He is known for his autobiographically depicted demonical neurosis. 327 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Okay, I'm trying to picture what that means. 328 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000 That's fair enough. 329 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,000 The so-called Heisman case has been studied in psychology and psychiatry since the early 20th century, 330 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 especially by Sigmund Freud. 331 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,000 His early life, he was born in Tronstin Bavaria in 1651 or 1652. 332 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Not that important, wasn't famous or rich, so nobody really knows when he was born. 333 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Little is known of him actually before 1677. 334 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 He was an impoverished painter and when he lost a parent, 335 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,000 he allegedly sold his soul to the devil in 1668 to be his bounden son for nine years. 336 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 After that time, Heisman's body and soul were to belong to the devil. 337 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Heisman claimed that he gave two packs to the devil, 338 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000 one written in ink and the other in his own blood. 339 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:31,000 However, in 1677, when the packs were due, he became anxious and made a pilgrimage to Mary Azell. 340 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,000 And after a successful exorcism, the pact in blood was given back to him by the devil. 341 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000 I did not know you could exercise a contract, but apparently you can. 342 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 So you didn't study this in law school then? 343 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 We did not study exercising contracts in law school. 344 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,000 As the demonic infestations continued, Heisman concluded that another exorcism was necessary to retrieve 345 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,000 also the pact on ink that this occurred in 1678. 346 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Now during this time, Heisman painted several pictures of the appearance of the devil and kept diary of his visions. 347 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:09,000 After his demonical neurosis, Heisman became a brother hospitaler and he died in 1700 in Bohemia. 348 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 To preserve the details of his successful exorcism, a manuscript partly in Latin, partly in German, 349 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,000 was composed sometime between 1714 and 1729. 350 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:23,000 It was rediscovered in the archive in the early 1920s and Sigmund Freud was the first to analyze it in an article entitled 351 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 A 17th Century Demonological Neurosis. 352 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,000 After him, several other writers have discussed the case and the most extensive research, including two books, 353 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,000 has probably been carried out by the Belgian psychologist Gaston van den Dreis. 354 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Other notable writers include Michel de Carchu and H.C. Eric Middlefort. 355 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000 So yeah, deal with the devil that was exorcised and ended. 356 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Also, he's got some famous paintings, you can look up that name. 357 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000 What was he again? 358 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000 Christopher Heisman, H-A-I-Z-M-A-N-N. 359 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,000 I was too focused on the neurosis. It brings up a football player. 360 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,000 H-A-I-Z-M-A-N-N. 361 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Ah, yes, okay. This is for sure not him. Okay, give up. 362 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Okay, fair enough. 363 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Next up, Bernard Folk, 1678, was a 17th century Dutch ship captain. 364 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,000 He was renowned for his uncanny speed of trips he would make between the Dutch Republic and Java, 365 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 which at the time was the Dutch East Indies. 366 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:27,000 In one recorded voyage in 1678, he traveled the distance between the Dutch Republic and Java in three months and four days, 367 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 which would normally take a ship one year. 368 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:37,000 He delivered Governor Rick Jolf van Gogh, a stack of letters from which the traveling time could be confirmed, 369 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:43,000 and in later times a statue was erected of him in the small island of Capercha near the harbor of Batavia. 370 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000 And the statue was destroyed by the English in 1808. 371 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,000 Because he traveled so fast on his ship, it was rumored that he had been aided by the devil, 372 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,000 and he is often considered to be where the legend of the flying Dutchman comes from, 373 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 a ghostly ship doomed to sail the seas forever. 374 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Next up, Niccolò Paganini. In the 1700s, he was both a violinist and a guitarist, 375 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000 so he didn't stand a chance because he was too good at the music. 376 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Born in 1782 in Genoa, he began learning the violin at the age of seven, 377 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,000 is considered by many the greatest violin virtuoso of all time. 378 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,000 He was so much better than his peers that a rumor circulated and persisted that he must have sold his soul in exchange for his virtuosity. 379 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,000 It could have been that, of course, or it could have been the hours of practice and extremely long fingers, 380 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 which allowed him to play three octaves across four strings, which was unheard of. 381 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Yeah, like it wasn't that for sure. 382 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000 I have my suspicions that it was the devil. 383 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,000 He also likely suffered from something called Marfan syndrome, which is the long fingers. 384 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 No, it's the devil. 385 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Generally, people who suffer from Marfan syndrome are exceedingly tall and have long limbs. 386 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Paganini, like all music geniuses, used his skills mostly to get girls, 387 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,000 and he was a great womanizer and was said to trap the souls of young women inside his violin, 388 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 although quite how he did it no one ever really explained. 389 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 That's quite the rumor. 390 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,000 One concertgoer in Vienna even claimed to have seen the devil guiding Paganini's arm, 391 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,000 which probably made for interesting conversation during the interval. 392 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000 So that's Niccolò Paganini. 393 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000 He's also Giuseppe Tartini. 394 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,000 He is also said to have sold his soul to the devil, but also to have composed a song with him. 395 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000 I wonder how that would sound. 396 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000 He wrote the song Trillo del Diavolo. 397 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Man, there's... 398 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 This is all old Europe, so it's hard for a lot of these words. 399 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,000 Also called the Devil's Trail came to Tartini in a dream. 400 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,000 The music came to him, he said, after his dream self had also sold his soul. 401 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000 So like he literally had a dream of selling his soul and woke up and wrote this song. 402 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Weird. 403 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Okay. 404 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000 He failed to check the small print on the deal, however, because the music he wrote down when he awoke 405 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 was not as complex as the Devil's Tomb. 406 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Perhaps that's just as well, however, as the Devil's Trail is said to be one of the most technically demanding pieces for violin ever written. 407 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Although he was a very accomplished musician, he soon discovered that he was not good enough to play his own tune, 408 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 so he had traded his soul for a tune he could not play. 409 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 This one I really like, Kelsey. 410 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000 It's a man by the name of, wait for it, Jack Parsons. 411 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000 One name I can actually say. 412 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000 That sounds wrong. 413 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 I know, but that's the... 414 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 This one's fairly recent. 415 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000 This guy was born a few years after the Rape brothers first flew their airplane. 416 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Big fan of sci-fi stories on rocket ships, and he tried to summon the Devil when he was just 13 years old, 417 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000 because he planned to sell his soul in exchange for a real-life rocket ship. 418 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:32,000 It didn't work, but he continued to study science as he grew older and tried to create a rocket engine that was powerful enough to go through the Earth's atmosphere. 419 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:38,000 In his early 20s, he got involved with Alistair Crowley and his occult teachings, which some people consider to be satanic. 420 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Again, Alistair Crowley not necessarily satanic. 421 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000 We've done a whole few episodes on him. 422 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:51,000 Parsons attempted a spell called the Babylon Working, where he tried to summon a goddess named Babylon that would help men go to the moon someday. 423 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Jack Parsons, the guy we're talking about, ended up inventing jet fuel that is used by NASA today. 424 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000 What? 425 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Yeah. 426 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 But like, wow. 427 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Yeah. 428 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000 So kind of just a crazy story. 429 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000 Next up, Bob Dylan. 430 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000 No. 431 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Are you serious? 432 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,000 This actually stems from before this, but he did an early 2000s interview on 60 Minutes. 433 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,000 He was asked the question why he continued to play shows despite his massive riches and fame, 434 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:24,000 and he stated in here, he made a deal to get where I am now, and he is a grateful man who is true to his word. 435 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 It all goes back to the destiny thing. 436 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000 I made a bargain with it a long time ago, and I'm holding up my end. 437 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,000 He's then asked who he made a deal with, and he says, with the chief commander of this Earth and the world we can't see. 438 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Wait, are we assuming that's the devil? 439 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Yes. 440 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Chief commander of Earth. 441 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Yeah, okay. 442 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Despite the fact that you know Bob Dylan is actually a fairly religious person, it's likely God he is talking about or just making a joke. 443 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Because he's a weird guy. 444 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:58,000 But the theory is that he actually sold his soul right around the time that he went electric, 445 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 which we actually just talked about in a previous episode. 446 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,000 We did just reference it. 447 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Which actually makes the part where the person yells Judas make even more sense if you're saying he sold his soul. 448 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Yeah, okay, okay. 449 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000 I can dig it. 450 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000 I mean, I mean, he's still in his prime there, but it goes downhill quickly after that. 451 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000 So he sold his soul for the devil around that time. 452 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 It didn't pay off for long. 453 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Oh, he's still going. 454 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Yeah, he sure is. 455 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000 And he's still going. 456 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Yeah, it's true. 457 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,000 It's true. 458 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,000 So maybe he did. 459 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000 And last up here is Jimmy Page, guitarist for Led Zeppelin. 460 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:43,000 He was a student of occultism his whole life and he bought Alaser Crowley's Loch Ness Castle, which everybody believes is haunted. 461 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000 He has come up before. 462 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,000 That's the one I think where he had summoned that little creepy thing. 463 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000 Yeah, where he was alleged to have summoned that demon. 464 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Yeah, what's his name again? 465 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000 I don't know. 466 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Something weird. 467 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000 Yeah, we go back and listen to that episode. 468 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000 It's in there. 469 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Yeah. 470 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,000 He followed Crowley's occultist teachings about focusing your intentions on what you want to get out of life. 471 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Apparently Jimmy just wanted to play really good guitar and that's what he got out of it. 472 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:15,000 Lots of people claim that he had sold his soul to the devil to get such fast fingers to which Page replied that if he had then so had the rest of the band. 473 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Which is not saying it didn't happen, but you know, kind of also saying it didn't happen. 474 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:27,000 And this is also likely where the rumor comes that if you place their way to heaven backwards, you can hear demonic voices speaking. 475 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000 I didn't hear that. 476 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000 I'll have to try it out. 477 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000 Although without records, it actually feels harder to play things backwards these days. 478 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 That's true. 479 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000 I guess you just have to Google it. 480 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000 But those are the deals with the devil throughout history. 481 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000 There are many more. 482 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,000 I just gave you guys a tasting of the ones that I could in fact say most of the words of. 483 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000 There are many more out there, many different cultures we could have focused on. 484 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 I just wanted to give you a big overview of everything. 485 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Chelsea, anything you want to talk about? 486 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Yeah, that was very nice. 487 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:04,000 And I think most of all, we are feeling grateful, not uncertain at all for your pronunciation of mostly everything in this episode. 488 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 It's been amazing. 489 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000 I didn't realize that the devil has touched so many lives in which we still feel the impacts to the state. 490 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Yeah, you kind of think of these as like very historical things, but honestly, it's any time somebody gets particularly good at something, 491 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000 there's going to be a rumor that they sold their soul to the devil for that. 492 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Nobody could ever be really good at anything without the help of the devil. 493 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Let's be honest. 494 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000 So if you know, nobody can be the world's best. 495 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:38,000 I guess the real lesson is if you know anybody that is really good at anything, just make wild accusations that they've made a deal with the devil. 496 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000 Tell them that we can exercise the contract and see what they say. 497 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 No, that was great. 498 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000 I quite enjoyed that. 499 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000 The devil, he wants to help. 500 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000 He's a good guy. 501 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000 He wants us to make the most of our talent and a lot of things. 502 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000 And to go electric sometimes. 503 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 The devil loves the electric guitar. 504 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000 I mean, we all do that. 505 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,000 If it's two things that he loves, it's electric guitar and blues music. 506 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Yep, 100%. 507 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000 That's his favorite thing. 508 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000 Everybody knows that. 509 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000 That's just a fact. 510 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Yeah, if you take nothing else from this episode, please remember those words. 511 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Anyhow, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 512 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000 We are Journey to the Fringe. 513 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 514 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,000 Hi. 515 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 516 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:24,000 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe, or follow, 517 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 518 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Also, please, if possible, leave a 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