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Taylor and Chelsea here today following up on our first episode on Project Serpo, where
everybody was held in suspense at this clearly true story that had been emailed anonymously
to a UFO email list.
So Chelsea, I don't know if you remember fully where we left off, as surprisingly this is
one of those part one and part two's that we didn't film back to back.
Yeah, pretty sure we left off thinking that it was true.
And clearly not, Richard Doty.
Definitely not Richard Doty.
There is a lot of Richard Doty last week.
No, no, that's not true.
In my life last week.
Yeah, no, it was only like one offhanded reference thing, just being so smart.
I can't remember exactly where we left off, though.
We were learning about the planet itself.
Well, yeah, there's a very long description of everything going on from their sex lives
to their yelling laughs to their inability to catch things in the air.
We are reading through all the posts that are coming in.
The last one that we read through came in December 2nd of 2005.
These are going to continue to roll in until August of 2006.
Now, at which point there's basically just a ceasing of all emails from anonymous.
Somebody got bored.
Somebody got bored or somebody had something happen in their lives that meant that they
don't want to do this anymore.
So that'll come up later on.
But where we're going to pick up this story again is in February of 2006, when a letter
is written to UFO magazine.
I think it's the request of its editor, and I'm just going to read this for you.
You can find this right on the Serpa website.
And at some point we will actually go to the Serpa website.
I was just about to do it, then I remembered you told me about this.
So I will wait for your prompt.
And this is a great place to start off this episode.
My name is Richard Doty, retired special agent, Air Force officer special investigation's
a foci, and now a private citizen living in New Mexico.
I've been an avid reader of UFO magazine for the past several years.
Actually Bill Burns, the magazine's publisher asked me to make some comments regarding recent
Serpo revelations.
I told Bill I'd be very happy to write this article relating to my personal analysis of
the Serpo information, which describes an exchange program in 1965 between the US military
personnel and extraterrestrials from the planet Serpo and the Zeta reticulized star system.
And I do cut a portion of this out.
This is just where he describes what Serpo is.
So I'm going to cut that part out because that's what the entire last episode was for.
We were right.
This is fucking Richard Doty.
Hold on, Bill Burns, right?
Bill Burns, B-I-R-N-E-S.
Okay, he didn't come up on my episode.
I thought it was.
Okay, no.
Before I go into detail of Project Serpo, let me explain that I've been a recipient
of Victor Martinez's email list for the past year.
For those readers who don't know Victor, let me give you a brief biographical review
of him.
Understanding the Project Serpo disclosure starts with understanding Victor's role.
Victor is a former US government employee.
He worked for a number of different federal law enforcement agencies and now works in
LA as a teacher.
Victor has a longstanding personal interest in the subject of UFOs and maintains an email
distribution list of well over 100 recipients on the topic.
In early November 2005, I learned from Victor that he'd been contacted by a person identifying
himself as anonymous, who was telling an extraordinary story.
Moreover, it's one which I'd heard before.
Mr. Anonymous, as I like to call him, first introduced himself as a retired employee of
the US government and then went on to detail the real Roswell incident.
That was the core story as presented by Mr. Anonymous, in a sequence of 11 major releases
of information to date, all so far via Victor Martinez.
In the rest of this article, I'll offer my personal analysis of the initial contact made
by Mr. Anonymous and the information released by him.
In early 1979, after arriving at Kirtland Air Force Base as a young special agent with
AFOC, I was assigned to the Counterintelligence Division of AFOC District 17.
I was briefed into a special compartment program.
The program dealt with the United States government involvement with extraterrestrial
biological entities.
During my initial briefing, I was given the complete background of our government's involvement
with EBEs, extra biological entities.
This background includes information on the Roswell incident, which did indeed state that
there were two crash sites that were found.
The first crash site was located southeast of Corona and the second was south of Deteel.
And basically, this was the exact same information that Mr. Anonymous released.
Other details about the location of the bodies in the site, where the live entity was discovered,
were also mentioned.
I learned these details in 1979 and can confirm that Mr. Anonymous did indeed state information
that was previously unknown to the public.
And the fact that the bodies were taken to Los Alamos and that Sandia Base handled the
second site were not known publicly in the past.
This information is quite correct.
During a briefing in 1984, I read a document which mentioned an exchange program between
an alien race and 12 US military personnel.
The briefing did not mention any specific details of the exchange program, but it did
refer to the program lasting from 1965 to 1978.
I tried to obtain more information during a Pentagon debriefing in 1985, but I was told
I didn't have the proper clearance for that information.
Which I find hilarious, like he can find out that there's an alien exchange program, but
the actual details of it, no, you're not allowed to know that.
Yeah, we're coming.
Like you think those would be on the same level of top secretness?
Yeah, no kidding.
Plus it's Richard Doty.
We know what he's up to.
He has the clearance.
I retired in 1988 with one exception.
I never learned anything about the subject until very recently.
In 1991, during a retirement party for an a Fosse friend, I had a conversation with Jack
Casey, Colonel, retired Air Force Intelligence.
I specifically asked Colonel Casey about the exchange program I had heard about.
With a look of surprise, Colonel Casey looked around as if to make sure no one was listening,
and then led me outside to a patio.
Colonel Casey then went on to give me a short briefing about the exchange program.
He told me the following.
In 1965, 12 US military men were placed on an extraterrestrial spacecraft and flew to
an alien planet some 40 light years away.
The exchange program lasted until 1978 when the routine returned.
Some of the 12 died on the alien planet, and by 1991, when I was given this information,
some had died since, and the final briefing of the returnees is still classified.
Who'da thunk that's still classified?
Obviously.
No, all the team members are now dead, the last surviving until 2002.
Again, this is exactly what Mr. Anonymous was describing.
That was all that information Colonel Casey would or could provide.
I did try over the years to obtain more information, but no one, not even the retired intelligence
officers I knew, had any further data they possessed or were willing to share.
Then in late 2005, 14 years later, Mr. Anonymous made the stunning release being discussed
here.
By the way, is it not hilarious how easy it is just for Doty to talk to somebody and
then they just shift their eyes, make sure nobody's around and they just spill everything?
Like without question apparently.
Yeah, he's Richard Doty.
He just got that trustable face.
He really does.
I've never seen that face.
Although much of the information correlates closely with what I've heard elsewhere, I
do have a few concerns both regarding the method used by Mr. Anonymous and his initial
release and also regarding some of the information itself.
First, I personally have preferred Mr. Anonymous to have chosen a different medium for his release
and he could perhaps have used a more open source.
What does more open source mean?
Like not just an email list of 100 UFO people.
I don't know, maybe WikiLeaks, something along those lines or something, I think is
what he's getting at.
Yeah, I mean Richard Doty's the expert.
Yeah, just telling people within the UFO community itself is probably not the best way to get
Project Serpo out there if you don't want people to think it's crazy.
Yeah, I have to add at this point, I mean calling him Mr. Anonymous just really adds
this more like mysterious official list to him.
Yeah, I actually was really hoping he'd go with like Dr. Anonymous to kind of keep in
line with how there was that blank, Dr. Blank.
I just had to throw that random tidbit in there.
Okay.
Although I have nothing but praise for Victor Martinez and his email forum, I think Mr.
Anonymous could have chosen a widely recognized news medium such as CNN, Fox or the like,
which would have given him more credibility and instant access to much wider public.
If Mr. Anonymous wishes the information to be released broadly, then in my opinion, what
would work best would be for him to go to such an open source and make all the information
available at one time.
I don't actually know the exact reasons why he chose instead to release this information
via Victor Martinez.
Yeah, sure you don't, Richard.
Sure you don't.
Yeah.
Secondly, there are some apparent anomalies in the information that has been released
to date.
Many former intelligence officers have come forward after Mr. Anonymous made his initial
release and pointed out what they claimed were errors in some of the data.
For instance, Mr. Anonymous stated that 10 men and two women comprise the exchange team.
However, both Paul McGovern, former security chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency and
Jean Loskowski, real name Jean likes.
I don't know why that's included.
Former director of security, Nevada, test site has come forward questioning this particular
gender mix of the team.
Three other former Air Force intelligence officers have also questioned this information.
According to Mr. McGovern, 12 men were selected, no women, and my other independent sources
also confirmed that no women were sent on that mission.
I'm not in any way wanting to upset female readers, but to understand how the military
would have regarded this project, one would really look back to the US military not now,
but way back in 1965, during that time period women in the military were segregated.
The USAF had women in the Air Force, WAFs, there were women in the Navy, they were called
WAVs, which is just a hilarious acronym that's not actually like Navy's not in there, but
it's WAFs.
And the Army had women in the Army Corps, WAX.
Most military females were in medical administrative supply or the personnel career field.
Two women would have been qualified for such a long-duration mission.
Female astronauts were not selected until the late 1970s, and these are valid reasons to
doubt Mr. Anonymous's particular statements that women were including this particular
mission.
Mr. Anonymous then detailed the training given to the 12 people selected for the mission.
Two former Defense Intelligence Agency employees have come forward to state that the training
actually fell in line with the astronaut training, and that the training lasted for one year
in consist of astronauts training rather than the intelligence and combat training
detailed by Mr. Anonymous.
If one stops and thinks about it, astronaut training would probably make a little more
sense than the training described by Mr. Anonymous.
Mr. Anonymous also mentioned some items which were taken on the mission.
According to his early reports, the team took 9,000 pounds of equipment with them.
However, Mr. Anonymous subsequently corrected this by saying 90,500 pounds of equipment
were taken.
So you know, just like 10 times the amount.
Yeah, he's a mistake.
Yeah.
He then mentioned that liquid nitrogen canisters were taken as a fallback weapon against the
Ebens, which I didn't mention that one, there's a lot of emails, so we had to get
away.
Yeah, I would assume so.
Because the Ebens were sensitive to cold, but liquid nitrogen would not stay stable
for an extended period of time and would last only a few weeks in a canister.
Maybe Mr. Anonymous made compressed air, which would last longer or better yet, free on,
which would remain stable in a canister for a long period of time.
Finally, Mr. Anonymous mentioned handguns and rifles being taken as defense.
I have mixed feelings regarding this since it was a military team.
I could understand that some weapons would be taken as a routine measure.
However, if you trusted the Ebens to the degree of allowing 12 United States military personnel
to fly 40 light years for 12 or 13 years, why would anyone take weapons?
What good would weapons do on a planet 40 light years away and if you're there for 13
years?
I added that last part.
If you're going with a team of 12 for 13 years, 40 light years away that we theoretically,
I guess, according to the story, have no way of actually reaching without their spacecrafts,
the weapons aren't going to do anything.
You'll run out of ammunition if anything happens and there's only 12 of you.
So what's the point?
Okay, then.
I think it makes sense.
Is it?
To not take weapons?
Yeah, that's actually a really good point.
I can also see, you know, the military industrial complex really likes weapons, so they wanted
to sell just like 20 more handguns or something.
Exactly.
And plus, it's good advertising.
On the positive side of Mr. Anonymous's information, a number of insiders and researchers
have reported hearing of such an exchange program here.
These include such respected individuals as Linda Howe and Whitley Strieber.
Okay, only one of those is good.
Together with Colonel Casey and all of the former DIA officials mentioned about Whitley
Strieber's tantalizing and brief experience over 10 years ago, who's with a man he met
at a convention, claimed to have been on the Serpo team before he left Strieber to consider
what he had been told.
Can you imagine meeting Whitley Strieber and being like, by the way, I've been to Serpo.
I just wanted you to know.
Handguns.
That's actually going to come up later on here.
Okay.
Wait until the end of this, because I have a story about this.
This overall degree of corroboration seems highly significant, as I think readers will
agree.
Some of the data provided by Mr. Anonymous seems off-beam.
The orbital data and other scientific information, although he did state intriguingly that the
laws of physics were not exactly the same on Serpo as they were in our own solar system.
Nevertheless, there's growing debate regarding scientific information provided by Mr. Anonymous
about the planet Serpo and that solar system.
According to him, Serpo was a planet of a binary star system.
Binary star system is a double star, each orbiting their common center of mass.
I'm not a math or science expert and will not state all the different figures or formulas,
but it seems to me that there are legitimate arguments on both sides of this issue.
But I have to say that I do feel that a simple hoaxer would have been sure to get the numbers
right.
The purpose of a hoaxer, or even someone spreading disinformation, is after all to convince
not to lay himself open to criticism straight away.
Just the guy who says he's not good at math or science.
To conclude, and aside from the broadly confirming testimony of my various colleagues, Mr. Anonymous
is simply in my opinion not operating like a hoaxer would.
A hoaxer would have actually done a better job, so to speak.
Researching information for his hoax.
Importantly, the apparent anomalies and absences of the promised photographs to date can all
be accounted for if we suppose that the context under which Mr. Anonymous is operating is
not exactly as it may first appear.
We must remember that Mr. Anonymous will hardly have the 3000 page report in his living room,
just sitting there like a Sears catalog.
The report will be guarded under the tightest conceivable security and the conditions of
access are unknown by us.
We can hypothesize that Mr. Anonymous may not even have access to the documents at all
and may be relying on memory, someone else's memory, or someone else supplying him with
the information, maybe by phone or by tape under conditions over which he himself has
no control.
As for the photographs, which he said there's tons of photographs but they're all in a vault
somewhere.
They may again be in a different location.
Paradoxically, there is the factor of Mr. Anonymous having gone quiet since his last
post on December 21st up to the time of my writing this on January 13th, 2006.
This may be precisely because he has been indeed met with difficulty caused by insetter
agents.
We know that there are different factions within the intelligence community regarding
disclosure.
Some may wish to obstruct a disclosure such as this while some others may be looking the
other way, quietly supporting the disclosure by allowing it to happen.
We just don't know at this point.
These factors are not reasons in themselves to accept the story, however, they are persuasive
reasons not to dismiss it without very careful thought indeed.
In conclusion, it seems to me that while there are some discrepancies in details, there's
a persuasively broad measure of an agreement that such a project actually exists and there
are good reasons for us to suspend our disbelief.
I earnestly hope that by the time this edition of the magazine is published, we have heard
more from Mr. Anonymous and that this important revelation will continue well into 2006.
So clearly dissuaded you from thinking it's Mr. Doty, correct?
Uh, obviously, yeah.
They have different information.
Yeah.
And he just said all the reasons why it could be a hoaxer or it couldn't.
So he's the expert on that, not Serpo.
That's for sure.
And by the way, there's two names that showed up in there that we'll probably at some point
do episodes on.
Not Colonel Casey.
We might do an episode on Colonel Casey at some point.
I don't know.
I haven't looked into him yet.
But Whitley Streever and Linda Malton Howe.
Linda Malton Howe comes up again at the end of the episode.
Whitley Streever though, went on Coast to Coast in 2005 with Richard Doty and Bill
Wright.
And you know how he mentioned that somebody came up to Whitley Streever and was talking
about Serpo?
This is the paragraph in the Coast to Coast episode in 2005.
Streever shared an incident that took place at a UFO conference in Gulf Breeze, Florida
in the early 90s when an elderly gentleman told him he could prove he was from another
planet saying only one word after that.
Do you want to guess what it was?
Doty.
Uh, what else could you never going to guess it?
Is it like that high-pitched laughing sound?
I wish.
It is Serpico.
Okay, I would have never guessed that.
He now wonders if he misheard the word and the man was actually saying Serpo.
Doty said he was first skeptical of Project Serpo info, but later heard rumors within
the intelligence community that the story is in fact true.
I just loved that.
What are we even talking about?
Are we sure it's Serpo?
Serpico.
Seriously.
That's his connection.
He might not have even been talking about Serpo.
Nope.
Okay.
So, there's supposed to be hundreds if not thousands of photos that were taken from
Project Serpo.
They're all apparently still behind a vaulted door that nobody can get into.
Very private, very classified.
Yeah, like a paywall.
But Bill Ryan did provide this one photo.
Chelsea, I'm just going to share my screen so you can see it.
And I'm going to give you the background behind this stone because he wrote this.
This is right on the Serpo webpage.
I've seen this before.
Yeah.
Hi, Bill Ryan received this from an ex-intelligence officer while at the UFO Congress in Laughlin,
Nevada in March 2006.
It is not specifically connected with Serpo and the source was not anonymous.
However, such is the nature of the material that it is assumed that the visitors to this
site will be most interested in this image.
I was informed that it was a real photograph, but it has not been analyzed.
I have had confirmation from two sources, one who has seen a film of an EB-1 made as
a briefing for President Truman and another who worked for six months as a military archivist
in the original Roswell crash material that even if this is a model or a mock-up of some
kind is an excellent likeness.
I present this image for the visitors' interest without further comment.
Okay, that was a lot of comment for no further comment.
What do you think?
Definitely not real.
Yeah, and it's been confirmed that this is clearly a fake photo since then.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty easy to tell that that is not real.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that happened March of 2006, August of 2006 is the last release from anonymous.
And then Bill Ryan, who is hosting Serpo.org, hosts this on March 5, 2007, and it is entitled
Serpo is Dead, Long Live Serpo.
And that's, I guess, the title or an exchange program almost certainly happened and why
I'm now moving on to other things.
So this is his goodbye letter from Serpo.
Okay.
And it's pretty big, so let's just get ready for this.
With no further Serpo information having been released since August 2006, readers can be
forgiven for assuming that despite several more false taunts, there may now be no more.
This is an assumption now shared by myself.
In December 2006, after Victor Martinez had received a number of photos which turned out
to be fakes, I first drafted this update page you're now reading.
My intention was to hand this site over to another webmaster and focus my intentions
full time rather than just 95% of the time on Project Camelot.
We'll do a whole episode on Project Camelot in the future there.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
No comment at this point.
But you now see who's associated with it, which supports disclosures and which publishes
interviews free of charge with insiders and other important witnesses to government secrecy.
I would help posting it then because there was reason to hold the possibility that at
least some of the insiders who were part of the backstage story might be present at the
2007 Laughlin UFO Congress.
However, this has just been concluded and no one was there.
With one exception, there was an elderly man with equiline features and wearing a pilot's
jacket.
Who, to my great interest, was clearly shocked to see me there again.
I don't understand that reference.
Do we find out who he is?
We'll keep going, don't worry.
I met him at last year's Congress and have been told that he was Paul McGovern, retired
DIA official well-known in insider UFO circles, and, you know, one of Dodie's insiders.
He was attending under a pseudonym.
Last year, this man had indeed shown an uncommon interest in me and after the Congress was
over, I'd been told he had passed on the message to me via an intermediary to ask whether or
not I had, quote, bought the story and quote.
This year, on seeing him again, I confronted him, but he earned his paycheck by denying
simplicity to the bitter end, which, you know, he didn't actually say this to him about
the story.
Somebody said that he related to him.
He didn't say it specifically to him.
So him denying the story kind of just says that the other guy's lying.
I really like that he's like, are you buying it?
But he didn't say it.
Somebody said that he said it to him.
Eventually I left him alone, seeing that no further progress would be made.
Seeing as how he said, I don't know what you're talking about.
When we analyze all the available photographs, I don't believe he was Palma Govert, but I
do believe he's a DIA agent.
That should be no surprise as agents frequently patrol UFO conventions, but this too merely
adds to the smoke and mirrors of the ongoing Serpo entry, as ever, nothing definitive
transpired.
Meanwhile, in hitting strongly at a great deal more substance, I had told the story in our
17th of February, 2006, Costa Costa AM radio interview of how Carrie Cassidy and I had made
contact with an elderly man who we'd been told, again, secondhand information.
I'm going to start that again, just so we can make sure that we hear this.
I told the story in our 17th of February, Costa Costa AM interview of how Carrie Cassidy
and I had made contact with an elderly man who we'd been told off the record was a reserve
Serpo astronaut who had trained with the team who went on the mission.
The full story follows here and makes for fascinating readings.
In brackets, readers may be interested to know that the identity of the senior CIA agent
was who contacted us in irritation.
Unnamed below can be deduced from breeding, dance misblog, and some care and attention.
The agent is identified as SI, an acronym for Salmo Orideus, or trout fish, and bracket.
While intending no harm or discurricy and definitely with no intention to betray confidentiality,
we had evidently trodden onto the toes of both the DIA and CIA, as no one had imagined
that we would be actually able to take it upon ourselves to contact the person.
Now known in Serpa lore as quote, the old man, end quote.
What a nice thing to be known.
This is what happened.
Yeah, so they're going to start trying to contact this man that somebody told them
was part of Serpo.
This guy hasn't said it, and this is the story.
Could you imagine someone just like doxing you like that?
And it's Dodie for sure, told them that.
He's like, it's that guy.
He went to Serpo.
Go ask him.
I was told the name of someone who was supposedly a Serpo reserve astronaut as far back as
February of 2006.
This occurred naturally in a conversation with members of the intelligence community,
and I was also told the general area where this person lived.
A couple months later, on April 21st, Carrie Cassidy and I opted to take a little initiative
of our own.
We did a search on the internet and found his name.
Together with the street address and phone number, so we decided to write him.
The letter was sent by FedEx.
It expressed support, promised that his ID and contact details would not be revealed
to anyone and said that we'd be delighted to assist with the disclosure effort with
a Project Canalot interview under any stipulated conditions of confidentiality and sought to
establish direct communication if at all possible.
The letter was delivered and signed for, but after that there was silence.
He never responded.
We came to suspect that we'd written to the wrong person.
It was all a mistake.
Probably a good assumption at that point.
Yep.
Okay.
So what do they do now?
Then out of the blue on September 8th, I received an email from dot dot dot dot dot,
not Mark Private saying, did you go to dot dot dot dot dot dot to see Mr.
Dot dot dot dot dot dot dot with your girlfriend and a camera?
Where did you get this man's name and address?
That was the email he received.
That's a confusing email.
I'm assuming names are in there.
He's just redacting it.
Oh, okay.
We thought, whoa, thank you.
Dot dot dot dot dot.
End quote.
Beautiful confirmation.
That was a slip on this person's part.
The distortion in anonymous's belief.
I can't say anonymous because synonymous is the person who writes this.
The distortion in this writer's belief.
But what happened and the time delay four and a half months made us wonder if this had
been reported up the line through the DIA, across the CIA at a high level and then down
to this guy, accumulating errors along the way.
We'll leave others to determine the likelihood of this person still being on the CIA payroll.
So just so you know, they did not go to this house with a camera.
So that's what he's saying.
And it's weird.
Yeah.
The email is weird, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Not just me then.
And probably Doty.
Let's just throw it out there.
It's probably Doty.
He did not reply to this guy's email question and he did on a 6th of October in the context
of an email to me about other matters and CC to Victor Martinez, Robert Collins, Marilyn
Rubin, Brendan Burton and Larry Dickens.
He wrote, I accept you're not answering me about your intrusion with camera and recording
device to try and interview the old man as a private matter.
Thanks this person.
So now we know he's an old man.
We had of course never met him.
In December, meeting with Victor for the first time in a while, Victor told us that
he too had heard that we had greatly irritated the DIA with our little initiative.
And importantly that this was the reason that I was suddenly cut out of the loop.
Soon after the delivery of the FedEx letter, regarding receiving any of the Serpo releases
directly, students of the ongoing Saabah will accrual that it was then that the releases
reverted to Victor.
Just so we're on the same page, literally all he did was send a letter to a random
house that was apparently signed for, which if a letter was addressed to me, I would sign
for.
That's not accepting that it is correct.
No and it sounds like he's doing that.
And they're kind of like, I don't even know how to put this.
They're like, because we didn't hear anything back, that means that we were right because
it went up so high into the DIA and the CIA came back down and I was cut out.
It came back that I was completely doing something that I was not.
So their info is just completely off and they're not even willing to do the research into what
this guy's done.
Oh my God.
Then they're like, and that's why we're right.
Yeah.
Like we're onto something.
Straight up, it sounds like something Richard Doty did.
It does.
100% without knowing much.
Meanwhile, in November, Carrie and I decided to visit the man in person.
We prepared a letter of the utmost courtesy to be hand delivered and we would then retire
to a coffee shop for several hours with our cell phone on the table.
Then we would head back home again after a pre-allotted time.
Our letter read, this is the letter, Dear Mr. Blank, we were given your name by Blank
and found your address in the blank phone book.
In May of this year, we delivered a secure personal letter to you by FedEx.
We greatly appreciate the opportunity to talk with you in person under any conditions of
confidentiality, which you may stipulate.
We'd like to assess how we may be able to help your efforts to release the Serpo story
and we're aware that the ongoing release has met with numerous difficulties over the course
of the year.
Then we'd like to emphasize that we do not wish to do anything to breach your request
of confidentiality.
We've known your identity and contact details for many months, yet have never revealed these
to anyone else and we assure you that we can be trusted fully.
We'll be in blank for the rest of the afternoon until 7pm.
Please call us at Blank cell and if you or any other of your colleagues are interested
in meeting with us, we'd be delighted to hear from you.
We delivered the letter and most interestingly, the man's wife was waiting for us at the gate
as we arrived.
This bite are having informed no one of our plan.
We either been tracked or our car is bugged.
Of course, she was just out by her gate on her property in the mail or something.
Neither would be surprised.
The man himself, who was elderly but looked as he'd been strong and athletic in his youth,
was at the door watching.
Some 20 or 30 yards away, we were polite and differential.
I handed her the letter and immediately left.
We waited until 7pm but the phone did not ring.
How did he get that idea of the story?
Chelsea, if you were to describe that, would you say, there was someone outside.
I handed the letter and left.
Is that not the easiest way to say that?
Instead of our car was bugged and she was waiting for us.
Well, there's a reason they do what they do.
I think they're trying to sell a story is what they're trying to do.
And I can't say that it's not a nice way to say that.
I find it a lot better than saying we showed up.
She just happened to be outside and we left.
That was a lot more entertaining for sure to say that way.
I'm happy he did it this way.
It gives us something to talk about.
It does and I'm finding this quite hilarious.
Now, my question to you, I'm just going to interrupt for a second.
If this is happening to you, do you call the number?
No.
You don't?
No, these guys seem fucking insane.
I feel like I might.
I feel like they want to be fucked with.
So what are they trying to do here?
They're just trying to corroborate the story.
So they were told this guy would have been a Serpa astronaut.
He was an alternative.
He didn't actually go.
So they want him to disclose his story on record.
Okay.
I mean, I feel like I.
Who told them this?
Probably Richard Doty and they're just bugging some guy who has not confirmed that he was
an astronaut in Serpa.
They don't even know what this guy did.
Like literally nothing about this guy.
This guy probably cut Richard Doty off in traffic one day.
And he looked.
By the way, purely speculation that it's Richard Doty.
Whenever we say Richard Doty throughout most of this, it's just us speculating.
Yeah, he's a dick.
I feel like I'd call.
Okay.
I feel like I'd call.
If it says Serpo, I don't know.
Either I call and I'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about.
Like leave me alone.
It's Serpo.
Go you fools.
Or I run with it and I go with it because they're clearly desperate for something and
you fuck with it more.
Someone's clearly fucking with them in the first place.
By the way, they got a great disclaimer paragraph right after this entirely like highly, highly
speculative story they just told.
None of this proves that the man was an astronaut or that Serpo exists, but it does show.
So fairly conclusively that we stepped heavily on someone's toes by making contact with this
man and that the report had rippled out through the Intel community to eventually reach the
person who emailed us.
That's exactly what we just said.
So an old man sensitively connected to the story definitely exists.
It is being well protected.
Definitely by that woman at the gate.
She was going to kick their ass.
He was definitely standing.
By the way, old people love to stand in their window and see what's going on with the outside
world.
But especially if it's their wife talking to somebody like without a doubt.
Well, not only that, but the wife is probably there checking out what's going on in the
neighborhood.
Yeah.
She just needed a better angle on the neighborhood.
In another synchronous event, Shauna Connolly having come to blows in protest at their ethical
activity.
I have no idea what that means with Ryan Dubey and Steven Bogbans.
Her former conspirators and debunkers at the reality uncovered forum out in reality
uncovered ongoing smear campaign and massive and compelling detail on Serpo.info, which
I didn't even realize until just now.
It's not Serpo.org is Serpo.info.
I don't know if that's a separate website.
The only thing she omitted to mention is the listed catalog of dirty tricks was there having
gained unauthorized access to my personal email account, not just the Serpo emails last November
and December.
An action which I've obtained legal advice was criminal.
Apart from this detail, the entire account of the smear campaign is well told on Serpo.info
and needs no repetition on these pages.
All this combined with Carrie Cassie myself celebrating the first anniversary of our initial
meeting when Carrie interviewed me with another interview 12 months on to the day made me
realize that now was the optimum time to step down for being the webmaster of the site,
which has intrigued and involved so many for so long.
As stated above, I've been considering this since December 2006 and the principal trigger
for the final decision now was the Lawdow Flynn anniversary combined with the complete
lack of further updates for six months.
So from here on out, I'll look back on Serpo with a mixture of fondness and relief.
I'll be focusing full time on Project Camelot, a website of comprehensive video interviews
with insiders and other important disclosure witnesses.
Here are my conclusions, such as it's possible to reach any.
1.
As I stated in my July 26th American Anti-Gravity interview, I believe the Serpo story is a
mixture of disinformation and naturally occurring compounded errors surrounding a core of extraordinary
truths.
As stated above, an old man, sensitively connected to the story, definitely exists.
And is being well protected.
Haha, fight the woman at the gate.
Haha.
My instinct that this story has been made available to the general public has turned
out to be well justified.
There's been an extraordinary amount of dirty tricks and smear specifically intended to
discredit the story, but emanating from relatively small groups of people.
The phrase exchange program has now permanently introduced itself into the vocabulary of the
UFO community and an exchange program of some kind definitely occurred.
The Serpo account is endlessly fascinating and is bound to remain controversial.
However, it was an event that occurred about 50 years ago and is primarily historical.
While one can always learn from the study of history or historical events, my attention
is now concentrated on information and research concerning what may lie ahead for us all.
For those readers who'd like to involve themselves in ongoing discussions and debate, we'll
have them here, and as stated above, my own focus will now be 100% on Project Camelot.
My best wishes to those who have shown interest in the fascinating story.
And as of the last update in the contact information it says in April of 2007, Bill Ryan transferred
ownership of the website to the administration of the Outpost Forum.
We maintain good working relationships with both Bill Ryan and Victor Martinez and will
continue to update the site as necessary.
Readers who have questions or would like further information will find a wealth of discussion
threads on the Project Serpo board and we'd like you to join us for a debate.
And Chelsea, now you can go to Serpo.org and tell me what you see.
The site has been suspended.
S-E-R-P-O.org.
Yeah, read what it says.
Okay, this is the right spot.
The reason for this could be for instance an unpaid invoice.
Please check your emails from us and your invoices and your control panel.
If you need more help, don't hesitate to contact or support Mr.Gardt's service.
So that means that they had no way of contacting the group that actually owned it.
So the only way for them to tell them, hey, you're not paying your bills is to literally
just put it when they try to act on the website.
And obviously nobody has-
Care, yeah.
But it's not actually that long ago.
It's about January of 2023.
This all came from the way back-
Really?
... everything I was saying.
Yeah.
So they maintained it for a long time.
That's not that long ago and all of a sudden they're like, fuck it.
So that is the reign of the Serpo story.
That was a real letdown.
Hold on.
Let me highlight everything on this page.
Nope, that's it.
No sex stuff, unfortunately.
Nope.
Unless you go to the way back machine, in which case there is sex stuff.
Oh, okay.
With the Serpos.
Oh yes, there is.
And screaming.
I did want to highlight that Richard Doty said that it is corroborated by both Linda
Moulton-Hall and Whitley Streber.
I would really like to point out, Whitley Streber and Linda Moulton-Hall on Alien Exchange
programs get all their information from Richard Doty.
What?
No.
Yeah.
No, not still.
Linda Moulton-Hall still.
You're going to be real sad once I finish this part, Chelsea.
No.
No, no, no, no.
Linda Moulton-Hall were first told about an Earth Alien Exchange program in 1983 when
doing research for UFOs, the ET factor, or documentary for HBO.
At the time, she was approached by Air Force Sergeant Richard C. Doty, who said that he
had been given approval to allow her to air secret Air Force information and video footage
in her documentary.
Doty promises to fly how with material that would confirm the existence of extraterrestrial
races, including official government military documents, film, and photographs.
However, he continued to string how along until he finally told her that his superior
said decided against releasing any information.
Without Doty's evidence, HBO gave up on the documentary in 1984, and since that time,
Doty's name has surfaced in many other things.
You can go listen to our Doty episode.
He comes up a lot though.
That's how much he comes up.
Didn't expect it.
There has been talks of the eventual lease of photographs taken on Serpo by the exchange
team, but so far nothing has emerged to lend credence to this baffling story.
And until the time they had actually come out with physical evidence about Project Serpo,
the story should be treated as another unverifiable UFO tale, all of yet a fun one.
I quite enjoy Serpo as a story.
Chelsea, this really bothered me.
What is this?
When would you think it's a reasonable time to have your last interview with Richard Doty
without being not credible anymore?
Like the 80s.
As soon as he found out that he was giving her false information, which was the 80s.
First files, Linda Malton House podcast.
I don't want to hear it.
2017, they aired a feature movie.
No.
Why?
Linda, why?
I need answers.
Do you know why?
No idea.
I was starting to listen to it, but I just ran out of time and it didn't have to do specifically
with Serpo.
It was actually about Rendlesham.
So like that's, yeah, that bothers me a lot.
Sorry, Rendlesham, Richard Doty and Rendlesham?
Yeah.
No.
Yeah.
All the documents that he saw were made.
Please send me the link to that.
My card is breaking.
Oh no.
So we have two things to talk about right now.
We're going to go over the rational wiki and then we're going to talk about coast to coast
and we'll be done with this episode.
So surprisingly, rational wiki comes to a lot of the same conclusion as us.
Anonymous claimed to be a retired U.S. government official with top secret clearance.
Mr. Anonymous, you mean?
Of course.
Investigation by the reality uncovered network led them to believe that this Mr. Anonymous
was Richard Doty.
A former security guard with the Air Force, with a Fosse.
The RUN investigators developed a story to include two other fabricators, the three being
known alternatively as the Imaginary Intelligence Agency or Scammers Inc.
I should just say that I agree with that fully.
They did put a citation in there for this.
The citation leads to a Chinese website.
I don't like how they cited it.
I want to believe that this thing exists.
I can't guarantee that this actually exists.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm just going to say that this is the physics of the story.
Okay.
So assuming figures are correct, traveling at 40 times the speed of light for four or
10 months would mean that Serpo would only be 33.3 light years away.
Not 39 light years as described.
Alternatively, if it is in fact 39 light years away, then the trip must have taken 11.7 months
at 40 times the speed of light.
So their math doesn't check out on how long it took to get there.
Next up, believers in Serpo cite the use of wormholes to explain time travel.
These are still just science fiction.
Like we don't really, we've never seen one.
We don't know if they actually exist.
They're just theoretical and use in science fiction for travel purposes.
Okay.
Can I also just add the math being off just proves that it's true.
Oh, right.
That's Dodie's say.
Yeah.
And not the fact that Dodie was bad at math.
So his stat wouldn't track.
So he would say that that.
Exactly.
I mean, it's true.
Yeah.
The reticulite binary star are many thousands of astronomical units apart and a planetary
orbit is problematic because any classic orbit around just one of the stars would be
so eccentric that temperature variations over the planet's years would be so extreme
as to make multi cellular life very difficult or impossible.
And the claim that radiation at Serpo's surface is intense is also hard to believe.
These stars are also relatively young, perhaps only half as old as our son.
Well that fact does not rule out in the evolution of a technically advanced civilization.
It certainly reduces the probability.
That what I don't agree with because the Serpo peoples, the even specifically said that they
traveled there later on.
Yeah, come on.
Yeah.
So it's anti-matter as an energy source, not ridiculous per se, but we don't know how
it would actually work.
And it's very likely to explode basically from how we understand anti-matter and not
be a very usable source.
So Serpo, the people involved are absolutely crazy.
Like every single one of them from Dodie to Bill Ryan, they come up with the craziest
explanations for these.
But the mantle has been taken up from the coast to coast perspective by a man by the
name of Len Casten.
Len, here's his biography on coast to coast.
Len has a Bachelor of Arts degree from Cornell University where he majored in psychology,
minored in literature and philosophy.
Obviously the guy that you want involved in UFO leaks.
He entered the US Air Force aviation cadet program.
After graduating, well in the Air Force, he experienced a UFO encounter that had a transformative
experience in his life, although he didn't realize it until a few years later.
There's more to it, but I really want to focus on what he actually talks about.
He talks about like three main categories and he's not involved with the original thing.
This is just him looking at it as an observer.
He's written many books on it though at this point.
First thing he talks about, Serpo.
Next thing he talks about, Nazis in Antarctica.
Third thing he talks about, reptilians.
And those are his go-to stuff on coast to coast AM.
Those are some three good picks.
Like I'm just going to go through his list of stuff.
He was on in 2020, Nazi reptilian space program.
He was on in 2019, Serpo, reptilians and Nazis.
Nazi reptilian space program to Serpo.
He was on in 2017, reptilian conquest.
He was on in 2016, ET exchange program.
He was on in 2014, Project Serpo.
2013, Project Serpo.
2010, the ET agenda.
So just like the guy is interesting to say the least, he also has added a bit to the
story saying that this is from one of his episodes.
I can't remember which one.
The Ebens used a deceased exchange member to create a new hybrid creature and had done
similar experimentations with beings that they had brought back from many other worlds.
He has revealed most of the exchange team returned to earth in 1978.
The highly classified project Glee was developed to foster communications between Serpo and
earth and involves a beam that's propelled at enormous speeds.
He explained, according to cast him, the Ebens continue to have diplomatic relationships
with our civilization.
And the last time coast to coast AM has somebody on about Project Serpo 2023.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, there's only so many people out there that you can talk to.
So I mean, I would listen to it if I still had it.
No, because this story is just freaking ridiculous.
I love this story.
I know it's so good.
It's nice to have it.
And the people involved are insane.
So yeah, that's where I'm going to leave you guys off with Serpo.
It's fucking insane.
All the people involved with it are insane.
Or also talk about reptilians and Nazis.
Sometimes all of those three things in the same episode.
Hourspan.
I love that.
I do have something to add or just like speculate on.
This is if this is Richard Doty, which it is, I love that that's the same conclusion that
they drew as well, because like right away on the first episode, we were like, it's Richard
Doty because you hear him.
We praise Richard Doty.
It's Richard Doty.
Yeah.
And the fact of the matter is, if it is Richard Doty, the guy has such a big fucking ego,
which he does.
I think we gathered as much when we did the episode on him, because first of all, he's
like, they'll give it to this fantastic person to leak to named Richard Doty.
And then he like goes on to give a statement to the UFO magazine.
He's like, this is obviously all true because of this, but it might be a hoaxer because
of this.
And like, what a big ego the guy has to like do something like that.
And that's how you know it's Richard Doty.
Yeah.
And then Bill Ryan is clearly just getting emails from Richard Doty and him on to investigate
this thing with this random old man.
Clearly speculation on my part that is clearly Richard Doty that sent those emails.
And by this point, when was this?
This is the 80s, right?
That him sending the letters.
So no, Serpo happened between the 60s and the 70s.
It was a 13 year period.
Oh, so this is before, hold on.
This is before we all knew about what he was up to.
No, but the stories that we're talking about, like them interacting through the website
is all 2005, 2007.
Oh.
But this is all when everybody knows what Richard Doty is up to.
It's still a fresher story.
There might be still people that believe that his side.
At this point, you have no reason to believe Richard Doty.
Who would believe Richard Doty?
Bill Ryan.
You're not.
And he really wants the story to be true and is taking unverifiable secondhand information
as gospel and saying because they didn't respond to my letter is proof that they were.
He's trying to make it happen.
Yeah, for sure.
So yeah, that's the story.
See anything else you want to add.
That's it.
I love the Serpo story.
I'm never going to stop loving the Serpo story.
I didn't know any of the side of the Serpo story and I loved it.
And you started off this episode with a shocker and I love that as well.
I honestly find the background of everything that people are saying outside of the Serpo
story itself is just as insane as the Serpo story.
And I love it.
That just adds so much more to it.
He talks about it.
They're not going to talk about that on Coast to Coast AM.
No.
Yeah, that was great.
Experts on that side disregard this information as inconvenient.
Yeah.
No kidding.
I loved it.
I loved all of it.
That was great.
And I hope you all did at home as well.
I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
We are Journey to the Fringe.
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.
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