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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.

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Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe.

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We are not addicted to the fringe, we just got a hankering for some curious.

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We are your podcast hosts that could quit at any time.

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Taylor and Chelsea here today following up on our first episode on Project Serpo, where

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everybody was held in suspense at this clearly true story that had been emailed anonymously

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to a UFO email list.

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So Chelsea, I don't know if you remember fully where we left off, as surprisingly this is

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one of those part one and part two's that we didn't film back to back.

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Yeah, pretty sure we left off thinking that it was true.

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And clearly not, Richard Doty.

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Definitely not Richard Doty.

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There is a lot of Richard Doty last week.

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No, no, that's not true.

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In my life last week.

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Yeah, no, it was only like one offhanded reference thing, just being so smart.

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I can't remember exactly where we left off, though.

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We were learning about the planet itself.

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Well, yeah, there's a very long description of everything going on from their sex lives

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to their yelling laughs to their inability to catch things in the air.

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We are reading through all the posts that are coming in.

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The last one that we read through came in December 2nd of 2005.

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These are going to continue to roll in until August of 2006.

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Now, at which point there's basically just a ceasing of all emails from anonymous.

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Somebody got bored.

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Somebody got bored or somebody had something happen in their lives that meant that they

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don't want to do this anymore.

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So that'll come up later on.

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But where we're going to pick up this story again is in February of 2006, when a letter

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is written to UFO magazine.

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I think it's the request of its editor, and I'm just going to read this for you.

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You can find this right on the Serpa website.

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And at some point we will actually go to the Serpa website.

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I was just about to do it, then I remembered you told me about this.

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So I will wait for your prompt.

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And this is a great place to start off this episode.

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My name is Richard Doty, retired special agent, Air Force officer special investigation's

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a foci, and now a private citizen living in New Mexico.

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I've been an avid reader of UFO magazine for the past several years.

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Actually Bill Burns, the magazine's publisher asked me to make some comments regarding recent

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Serpo revelations.

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I told Bill I'd be very happy to write this article relating to my personal analysis of

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the Serpo information, which describes an exchange program in 1965 between the US military

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personnel and extraterrestrials from the planet Serpo and the Zeta reticulized star system.

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And I do cut a portion of this out.

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This is just where he describes what Serpo is.

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So I'm going to cut that part out because that's what the entire last episode was for.

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We were right.

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This is fucking Richard Doty.

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Hold on, Bill Burns, right?

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Bill Burns, B-I-R-N-E-S.

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Okay, he didn't come up on my episode.

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I thought it was.

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Okay, no.

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Before I go into detail of Project Serpo, let me explain that I've been a recipient

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of Victor Martinez's email list for the past year.

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For those readers who don't know Victor, let me give you a brief biographical review

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of him.

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Understanding the Project Serpo disclosure starts with understanding Victor's role.

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Victor is a former US government employee.

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He worked for a number of different federal law enforcement agencies and now works in

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LA as a teacher.

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Victor has a longstanding personal interest in the subject of UFOs and maintains an email

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distribution list of well over 100 recipients on the topic.

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In early November 2005, I learned from Victor that he'd been contacted by a person identifying

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himself as anonymous, who was telling an extraordinary story.

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Moreover, it's one which I'd heard before.

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Mr. Anonymous, as I like to call him, first introduced himself as a retired employee of

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the US government and then went on to detail the real Roswell incident.

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That was the core story as presented by Mr. Anonymous, in a sequence of 11 major releases

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of information to date, all so far via Victor Martinez.

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In the rest of this article, I'll offer my personal analysis of the initial contact made

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by Mr. Anonymous and the information released by him.

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In early 1979, after arriving at Kirtland Air Force Base as a young special agent with

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AFOC, I was assigned to the Counterintelligence Division of AFOC District 17.

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I was briefed into a special compartment program.

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The program dealt with the United States government involvement with extraterrestrial

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biological entities.

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During my initial briefing, I was given the complete background of our government's involvement

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with EBEs, extra biological entities.

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This background includes information on the Roswell incident, which did indeed state that

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there were two crash sites that were found.

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The first crash site was located southeast of Corona and the second was south of Deteel.

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And basically, this was the exact same information that Mr. Anonymous released.

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Other details about the location of the bodies in the site, where the live entity was discovered,

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were also mentioned.

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I learned these details in 1979 and can confirm that Mr. Anonymous did indeed state information

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that was previously unknown to the public.

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And the fact that the bodies were taken to Los Alamos and that Sandia Base handled the

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second site were not known publicly in the past.

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This information is quite correct.

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During a briefing in 1984, I read a document which mentioned an exchange program between

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an alien race and 12 US military personnel.

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The briefing did not mention any specific details of the exchange program, but it did

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refer to the program lasting from 1965 to 1978.

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I tried to obtain more information during a Pentagon debriefing in 1985, but I was told

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I didn't have the proper clearance for that information.

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Which I find hilarious, like he can find out that there's an alien exchange program, but

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the actual details of it, no, you're not allowed to know that.

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Yeah, we're coming.

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Like you think those would be on the same level of top secretness?

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Yeah, no kidding.

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Plus it's Richard Doty.

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We know what he's up to.

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He has the clearance.

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I retired in 1988 with one exception.

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I never learned anything about the subject until very recently.

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In 1991, during a retirement party for an a Fosse friend, I had a conversation with Jack

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Casey, Colonel, retired Air Force Intelligence.

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I specifically asked Colonel Casey about the exchange program I had heard about.

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With a look of surprise, Colonel Casey looked around as if to make sure no one was listening,

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and then led me outside to a patio.

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Colonel Casey then went on to give me a short briefing about the exchange program.

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He told me the following.

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In 1965, 12 US military men were placed on an extraterrestrial spacecraft and flew to

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an alien planet some 40 light years away.

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The exchange program lasted until 1978 when the routine returned.

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Some of the 12 died on the alien planet, and by 1991, when I was given this information,

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some had died since, and the final briefing of the returnees is still classified.

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Who'da thunk that's still classified?

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Obviously.

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No, all the team members are now dead, the last surviving until 2002.

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Again, this is exactly what Mr. Anonymous was describing.

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That was all that information Colonel Casey would or could provide.

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I did try over the years to obtain more information, but no one, not even the retired intelligence

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officers I knew, had any further data they possessed or were willing to share.

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Then in late 2005, 14 years later, Mr. Anonymous made the stunning release being discussed

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here.

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By the way, is it not hilarious how easy it is just for Doty to talk to somebody and

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then they just shift their eyes, make sure nobody's around and they just spill everything?

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Like without question apparently.

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Yeah, he's Richard Doty.

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He just got that trustable face.

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He really does.

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I've never seen that face.

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Although much of the information correlates closely with what I've heard elsewhere, I

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do have a few concerns both regarding the method used by Mr. Anonymous and his initial

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release and also regarding some of the information itself.

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First, I personally have preferred Mr. Anonymous to have chosen a different medium for his release

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and he could perhaps have used a more open source.

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What does more open source mean?

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Like not just an email list of 100 UFO people.

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I don't know, maybe WikiLeaks, something along those lines or something, I think is

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what he's getting at.

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Yeah, I mean Richard Doty's the expert.

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Yeah, just telling people within the UFO community itself is probably not the best way to get

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Project Serpo out there if you don't want people to think it's crazy.

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Yeah, I have to add at this point, I mean calling him Mr. Anonymous just really adds

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this more like mysterious official list to him.

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Yeah, I actually was really hoping he'd go with like Dr. Anonymous to kind of keep in

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line with how there was that blank, Dr. Blank.

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I just had to throw that random tidbit in there.

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Although I have nothing but praise for Victor Martinez and his email forum, I think Mr.

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Anonymous could have chosen a widely recognized news medium such as CNN, Fox or the like,

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which would have given him more credibility and instant access to much wider public.

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If Mr. Anonymous wishes the information to be released broadly, then in my opinion, what

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would work best would be for him to go to such an open source and make all the information

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available at one time.

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I don't actually know the exact reasons why he chose instead to release this information

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via Victor Martinez.

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Yeah, sure you don't, Richard.

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Sure you don't.

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Secondly, there are some apparent anomalies in the information that has been released

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to date.

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Many former intelligence officers have come forward after Mr. Anonymous made his initial

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release and pointed out what they claimed were errors in some of the data.

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For instance, Mr. Anonymous stated that 10 men and two women comprise the exchange team.

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However, both Paul McGovern, former security chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency and

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Jean Loskowski, real name Jean likes.

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I don't know why that's included.

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Former director of security, Nevada, test site has come forward questioning this particular

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gender mix of the team.

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Three other former Air Force intelligence officers have also questioned this information.

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According to Mr. McGovern, 12 men were selected, no women, and my other independent sources

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also confirmed that no women were sent on that mission.

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I'm not in any way wanting to upset female readers, but to understand how the military

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would have regarded this project, one would really look back to the US military not now,

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but way back in 1965, during that time period women in the military were segregated.

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The USAF had women in the Air Force, WAFs, there were women in the Navy, they were called

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WAVs, which is just a hilarious acronym that's not actually like Navy's not in there, but

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it's WAFs.

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And the Army had women in the Army Corps, WAX.

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Most military females were in medical administrative supply or the personnel career field.

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Two women would have been qualified for such a long-duration mission.

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Female astronauts were not selected until the late 1970s, and these are valid reasons to

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doubt Mr. Anonymous's particular statements that women were including this particular

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mission.

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Mr. Anonymous then detailed the training given to the 12 people selected for the mission.

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Two former Defense Intelligence Agency employees have come forward to state that the training

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actually fell in line with the astronaut training, and that the training lasted for one year

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in consist of astronauts training rather than the intelligence and combat training

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detailed by Mr. Anonymous.

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If one stops and thinks about it, astronaut training would probably make a little more

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sense than the training described by Mr. Anonymous.

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Mr. Anonymous also mentioned some items which were taken on the mission.

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According to his early reports, the team took 9,000 pounds of equipment with them.

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However, Mr. Anonymous subsequently corrected this by saying 90,500 pounds of equipment

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were taken.

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So you know, just like 10 times the amount.

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Yeah, he's a mistake.

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He then mentioned that liquid nitrogen canisters were taken as a fallback weapon against the

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Ebens, which I didn't mention that one, there's a lot of emails, so we had to get

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Yeah, I would assume so.

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Because the Ebens were sensitive to cold, but liquid nitrogen would not stay stable

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for an extended period of time and would last only a few weeks in a canister.

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Maybe Mr. Anonymous made compressed air, which would last longer or better yet, free on,

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which would remain stable in a canister for a long period of time.

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Finally, Mr. Anonymous mentioned handguns and rifles being taken as defense.

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I have mixed feelings regarding this since it was a military team.

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I could understand that some weapons would be taken as a routine measure.

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However, if you trusted the Ebens to the degree of allowing 12 United States military personnel

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to fly 40 light years for 12 or 13 years, why would anyone take weapons?

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What good would weapons do on a planet 40 light years away and if you're there for 13

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I added that last part.

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If you're going with a team of 12 for 13 years, 40 light years away that we theoretically,

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I guess, according to the story, have no way of actually reaching without their spacecrafts,

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the weapons aren't going to do anything.

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You'll run out of ammunition if anything happens and there's only 12 of you.

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So what's the point?

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I think it makes sense.

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To not take weapons?

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I can also see, you know, the military industrial complex really likes weapons, so they wanted

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to sell just like 20 more handguns or something.

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And plus, it's good advertising.

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On the positive side of Mr. Anonymous's information, a number of insiders and researchers

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have reported hearing of such an exchange program here.

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These include such respected individuals as Linda Howe and Whitley Strieber.

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Okay, only one of those is good.

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Together with Colonel Casey and all of the former DIA officials mentioned about Whitley

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Strieber's tantalizing and brief experience over 10 years ago, who's with a man he met

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at a convention, claimed to have been on the Serpo team before he left Strieber to consider

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what he had been told.

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Can you imagine meeting Whitley Strieber and being like, by the way, I've been to Serpo.

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I just wanted you to know.

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Handguns.

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That's actually going to come up later on here.

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Okay.

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Wait until the end of this, because I have a story about this.

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This overall degree of corroboration seems highly significant, as I think readers will

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agree.

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Some of the data provided by Mr. Anonymous seems off-beam.

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The orbital data and other scientific information, although he did state intriguingly that the

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laws of physics were not exactly the same on Serpo as they were in our own solar system.

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Nevertheless, there's growing debate regarding scientific information provided by Mr. Anonymous

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about the planet Serpo and that solar system.

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According to him, Serpo was a planet of a binary star system.

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Binary star system is a double star, each orbiting their common center of mass.

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I'm not a math or science expert and will not state all the different figures or formulas,

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but it seems to me that there are legitimate arguments on both sides of this issue.

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But I have to say that I do feel that a simple hoaxer would have been sure to get the numbers

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right.

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The purpose of a hoaxer, or even someone spreading disinformation, is after all to convince

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not to lay himself open to criticism straight away.

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Just the guy who says he's not good at math or science.

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To conclude, and aside from the broadly confirming testimony of my various colleagues, Mr. Anonymous

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is simply in my opinion not operating like a hoaxer would.

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A hoaxer would have actually done a better job, so to speak.

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Researching information for his hoax.

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Importantly, the apparent anomalies and absences of the promised photographs to date can all

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be accounted for if we suppose that the context under which Mr. Anonymous is operating is

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not exactly as it may first appear.

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We must remember that Mr. Anonymous will hardly have the 3000 page report in his living room,

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just sitting there like a Sears catalog.

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The report will be guarded under the tightest conceivable security and the conditions of

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access are unknown by us.

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We can hypothesize that Mr. Anonymous may not even have access to the documents at all

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and may be relying on memory, someone else's memory, or someone else supplying him with

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the information, maybe by phone or by tape under conditions over which he himself has

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no control.

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As for the photographs, which he said there's tons of photographs but they're all in a vault

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somewhere.

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They may again be in a different location.

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Paradoxically, there is the factor of Mr. Anonymous having gone quiet since his last

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post on December 21st up to the time of my writing this on January 13th, 2006.

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This may be precisely because he has been indeed met with difficulty caused by insetter

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agents.

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We know that there are different factions within the intelligence community regarding

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disclosure.

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Some may wish to obstruct a disclosure such as this while some others may be looking the

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other way, quietly supporting the disclosure by allowing it to happen.

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We just don't know at this point.

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These factors are not reasons in themselves to accept the story, however, they are persuasive

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reasons not to dismiss it without very careful thought indeed.

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In conclusion, it seems to me that while there are some discrepancies in details, there's

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a persuasively broad measure of an agreement that such a project actually exists and there

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are good reasons for us to suspend our disbelief.

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I earnestly hope that by the time this edition of the magazine is published, we have heard

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more from Mr. Anonymous and that this important revelation will continue well into 2006.

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So clearly dissuaded you from thinking it's Mr. Doty, correct?

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Uh, obviously, yeah.

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They have different information.

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Yeah.

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And he just said all the reasons why it could be a hoaxer or it couldn't.

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So he's the expert on that, not Serpo.

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That's for sure.

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And by the way, there's two names that showed up in there that we'll probably at some point

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do episodes on.

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Not Colonel Casey.

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We might do an episode on Colonel Casey at some point.

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I don't know.

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I haven't looked into him yet.

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But Whitley Streever and Linda Malton Howe.

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Linda Malton Howe comes up again at the end of the episode.

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Whitley Streever though, went on Coast to Coast in 2005 with Richard Doty and Bill

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Wright.

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And you know how he mentioned that somebody came up to Whitley Streever and was talking

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about Serpo?

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This is the paragraph in the Coast to Coast episode in 2005.

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Streever shared an incident that took place at a UFO conference in Gulf Breeze, Florida

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in the early 90s when an elderly gentleman told him he could prove he was from another

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planet saying only one word after that.

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Do you want to guess what it was?

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Doty.

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Uh, what else could you never going to guess it?

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Is it like that high-pitched laughing sound?

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I wish.

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It is Serpico.

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Okay, I would have never guessed that.

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He now wonders if he misheard the word and the man was actually saying Serpo.

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Doty said he was first skeptical of Project Serpo info, but later heard rumors within

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the intelligence community that the story is in fact true.

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I just loved that.

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What are we even talking about?

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Are we sure it's Serpo?

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Serpico.

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Seriously.

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That's his connection.

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He might not have even been talking about Serpo.

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Nope.

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Okay.

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So, there's supposed to be hundreds if not thousands of photos that were taken from

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Project Serpo.

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They're all apparently still behind a vaulted door that nobody can get into.

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Very private, very classified.

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Yeah, like a paywall.

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But Bill Ryan did provide this one photo.

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Chelsea, I'm just going to share my screen so you can see it.

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And I'm going to give you the background behind this stone because he wrote this.

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This is right on the Serpo webpage.

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I've seen this before.

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Yeah.

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Hi, Bill Ryan received this from an ex-intelligence officer while at the UFO Congress in Laughlin,

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Nevada in March 2006.

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It is not specifically connected with Serpo and the source was not anonymous.

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However, such is the nature of the material that it is assumed that the visitors to this

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site will be most interested in this image.

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I was informed that it was a real photograph, but it has not been analyzed.

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I have had confirmation from two sources, one who has seen a film of an EB-1 made as

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a briefing for President Truman and another who worked for six months as a military archivist

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in the original Roswell crash material that even if this is a model or a mock-up of some

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kind is an excellent likeness.

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I present this image for the visitors' interest without further comment.

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Okay, that was a lot of comment for no further comment.

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What do you think?

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Definitely not real.

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Yeah, and it's been confirmed that this is clearly a fake photo since then.

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Yeah, I mean, it's pretty easy to tell that that is not real.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, that happened March of 2006, August of 2006 is the last release from anonymous.

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And then Bill Ryan, who is hosting Serpo.org, hosts this on March 5, 2007, and it is entitled

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Serpo is Dead, Long Live Serpo.

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And that's, I guess, the title or an exchange program almost certainly happened and why

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I'm now moving on to other things.

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So this is his goodbye letter from Serpo.

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Okay.

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And it's pretty big, so let's just get ready for this.

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With no further Serpo information having been released since August 2006, readers can be

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forgiven for assuming that despite several more false taunts, there may now be no more.

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This is an assumption now shared by myself.

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In December 2006, after Victor Martinez had received a number of photos which turned out

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to be fakes, I first drafted this update page you're now reading.

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My intention was to hand this site over to another webmaster and focus my intentions

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full time rather than just 95% of the time on Project Camelot.

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We'll do a whole episode on Project Camelot in the future there.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah.

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No comment at this point.

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But you now see who's associated with it, which supports disclosures and which publishes

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interviews free of charge with insiders and other important witnesses to government secrecy.

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I would help posting it then because there was reason to hold the possibility that at

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least some of the insiders who were part of the backstage story might be present at the

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2007 Laughlin UFO Congress.

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However, this has just been concluded and no one was there.

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With one exception, there was an elderly man with equiline features and wearing a pilot's

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jacket.

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Who, to my great interest, was clearly shocked to see me there again.

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I don't understand that reference.

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Do we find out who he is?

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We'll keep going, don't worry.

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I met him at last year's Congress and have been told that he was Paul McGovern, retired

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DIA official well-known in insider UFO circles, and, you know, one of Dodie's insiders.

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He was attending under a pseudonym.

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Last year, this man had indeed shown an uncommon interest in me and after the Congress was

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over, I'd been told he had passed on the message to me via an intermediary to ask whether or

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not I had, quote, bought the story and quote.

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This year, on seeing him again, I confronted him, but he earned his paycheck by denying

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simplicity to the bitter end, which, you know, he didn't actually say this to him about

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the story.

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Somebody said that he related to him.

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He didn't say it specifically to him.

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So him denying the story kind of just says that the other guy's lying.

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I really like that he's like, are you buying it?

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But he didn't say it.

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Somebody said that he said it to him.

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Eventually I left him alone, seeing that no further progress would be made.

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Seeing as how he said, I don't know what you're talking about.

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When we analyze all the available photographs, I don't believe he was Palma Govert, but I

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do believe he's a DIA agent.

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That should be no surprise as agents frequently patrol UFO conventions, but this too merely

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adds to the smoke and mirrors of the ongoing Serpo entry, as ever, nothing definitive

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transpired.

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Meanwhile, in hitting strongly at a great deal more substance, I had told the story in our

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17th of February, 2006, Costa Costa AM radio interview of how Carrie Cassidy and I had made

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contact with an elderly man who we'd been told, again, secondhand information.

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I'm going to start that again, just so we can make sure that we hear this.

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I told the story in our 17th of February, Costa Costa AM interview of how Carrie Cassidy

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and I had made contact with an elderly man who we'd been told off the record was a reserve

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Serpo astronaut who had trained with the team who went on the mission.

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The full story follows here and makes for fascinating readings.

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In brackets, readers may be interested to know that the identity of the senior CIA agent

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was who contacted us in irritation.

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Unnamed below can be deduced from breeding, dance misblog, and some care and attention.

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The agent is identified as SI, an acronym for Salmo Orideus, or trout fish, and bracket.

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While intending no harm or discurricy and definitely with no intention to betray confidentiality,

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we had evidently trodden onto the toes of both the DIA and CIA, as no one had imagined

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that we would be actually able to take it upon ourselves to contact the person.

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Now known in Serpa lore as quote, the old man, end quote.

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What a nice thing to be known.

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This is what happened.

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Yeah, so they're going to start trying to contact this man that somebody told them

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was part of Serpo.

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This guy hasn't said it, and this is the story.

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Could you imagine someone just like doxing you like that?

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And it's Dodie for sure, told them that.

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He's like, it's that guy.

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He went to Serpo.

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Go ask him.

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I was told the name of someone who was supposedly a Serpo reserve astronaut as far back as

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February of 2006.

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This occurred naturally in a conversation with members of the intelligence community,

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and I was also told the general area where this person lived.

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A couple months later, on April 21st, Carrie Cassidy and I opted to take a little initiative

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of our own.

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We did a search on the internet and found his name.

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Together with the street address and phone number, so we decided to write him.

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The letter was sent by FedEx.

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It expressed support, promised that his ID and contact details would not be revealed

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to anyone and said that we'd be delighted to assist with the disclosure effort with

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a Project Canalot interview under any stipulated conditions of confidentiality and sought to

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establish direct communication if at all possible.

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The letter was delivered and signed for, but after that there was silence.

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He never responded.

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We came to suspect that we'd written to the wrong person.

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It was all a mistake.

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Probably a good assumption at that point.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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So what do they do now?

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Then out of the blue on September 8th, I received an email from dot dot dot dot dot,

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not Mark Private saying, did you go to dot dot dot dot dot dot to see Mr.

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Dot dot dot dot dot dot dot with your girlfriend and a camera?

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Where did you get this man's name and address?

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That was the email he received.

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That's a confusing email.

474
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I'm assuming names are in there.

475
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,600
He's just redacting it.

476
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,880
Oh, okay.

477
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,640
We thought, whoa, thank you.

478
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Dot dot dot dot dot.

479
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,800
End quote.

480
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,200
Beautiful confirmation.

481
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,480
That was a slip on this person's part.

482
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,760
The distortion in anonymous's belief.

483
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,480
I can't say anonymous because synonymous is the person who writes this.

484
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,600
The distortion in this writer's belief.

485
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,320
But what happened and the time delay four and a half months made us wonder if this had

486
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,640
been reported up the line through the DIA, across the CIA at a high level and then down

487
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,680
to this guy, accumulating errors along the way.

488
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,200
We'll leave others to determine the likelihood of this person still being on the CIA payroll.

489
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,600
So just so you know, they did not go to this house with a camera.

490
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,320
So that's what he's saying.

491
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,320
And it's weird.

492
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,320
Yeah.

493
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,320
The email is weird, right?

494
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,320
Yeah.

495
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Okay.

496
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,320
Not just me then.

497
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,320
And probably Doty.

498
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,320
Let's just throw it out there.

499
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,320
It's probably Doty.

500
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:44,080
He did not reply to this guy's email question and he did on a 6th of October in the context

501
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,800
of an email to me about other matters and CC to Victor Martinez, Robert Collins, Marilyn

502
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,120
Rubin, Brendan Burton and Larry Dickens.

503
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:55,360
He wrote, I accept you're not answering me about your intrusion with camera and recording

504
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:59,040
device to try and interview the old man as a private matter.

505
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,040
Thanks this person.

506
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,000
So now we know he's an old man.

507
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,760
We had of course never met him.

508
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,960
In December, meeting with Victor for the first time in a while, Victor told us that

509
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,320
he too had heard that we had greatly irritated the DIA with our little initiative.

510
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,960
And importantly that this was the reason that I was suddenly cut out of the loop.

511
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Soon after the delivery of the FedEx letter, regarding receiving any of the Serpo releases

512
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,880
directly, students of the ongoing Saabah will accrual that it was then that the releases

513
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,180
reverted to Victor.

514
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:30,160
Just so we're on the same page, literally all he did was send a letter to a random

515
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,280
house that was apparently signed for, which if a letter was addressed to me, I would sign

516
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,280
for.

517
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960
That's not accepting that it is correct.

518
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,360
No and it sounds like he's doing that.

519
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,320
And they're kind of like, I don't even know how to put this.

520
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,880
They're like, because we didn't hear anything back, that means that we were right because

521
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,680
it went up so high into the DIA and the CIA came back down and I was cut out.

522
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,640
It came back that I was completely doing something that I was not.

523
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600
So their info is just completely off and they're not even willing to do the research into what

524
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,600
this guy's done.

525
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Oh my God.

526
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,280
Then they're like, and that's why we're right.

527
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Yeah.

528
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,280
Like we're onto something.

529
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,120
Straight up, it sounds like something Richard Doty did.

530
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,120
It does.

531
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,120
100% without knowing much.

532
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,960
Meanwhile, in November, Carrie and I decided to visit the man in person.

533
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,520
We prepared a letter of the utmost courtesy to be hand delivered and we would then retire

534
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760
to a coffee shop for several hours with our cell phone on the table.

535
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Then we would head back home again after a pre-allotted time.

536
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,720
Our letter read, this is the letter, Dear Mr. Blank, we were given your name by Blank

537
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,160
and found your address in the blank phone book.

538
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,760
In May of this year, we delivered a secure personal letter to you by FedEx.

539
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,040
We greatly appreciate the opportunity to talk with you in person under any conditions of

540
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,240
confidentiality, which you may stipulate.

541
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,280
We'd like to assess how we may be able to help your efforts to release the Serpo story

542
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,880
and we're aware that the ongoing release has met with numerous difficulties over the course

543
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,880
of the year.

544
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,200
Then we'd like to emphasize that we do not wish to do anything to breach your request

545
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,480
of confidentiality.

546
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,440
We've known your identity and contact details for many months, yet have never revealed these

547
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,960
to anyone else and we assure you that we can be trusted fully.

548
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
We'll be in blank for the rest of the afternoon until 7pm.

549
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,320
Please call us at Blank cell and if you or any other of your colleagues are interested

550
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,760
in meeting with us, we'd be delighted to hear from you.

551
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,600
We delivered the letter and most interestingly, the man's wife was waiting for us at the gate

552
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,600
as we arrived.

553
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,280
This bite are having informed no one of our plan.

554
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,200
We either been tracked or our car is bugged.

555
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:32,160
Of course, she was just out by her gate on her property in the mail or something.

556
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,160
Neither would be surprised.

557
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,840
The man himself, who was elderly but looked as he'd been strong and athletic in his youth,

558
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,200
was at the door watching.

559
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Some 20 or 30 yards away, we were polite and differential.

560
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,960
I handed her the letter and immediately left.

561
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,600
We waited until 7pm but the phone did not ring.

562
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,040
How did he get that idea of the story?

563
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Chelsea, if you were to describe that, would you say, there was someone outside.

564
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,920
I handed the letter and left.

565
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,240
Is that not the easiest way to say that?

566
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Instead of our car was bugged and she was waiting for us.

567
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Well, there's a reason they do what they do.

568
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,120
I think they're trying to sell a story is what they're trying to do.

569
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,960
And I can't say that it's not a nice way to say that.

570
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,680
I find it a lot better than saying we showed up.

571
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120
She just happened to be outside and we left.

572
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,920
That was a lot more entertaining for sure to say that way.

573
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,160
I'm happy he did it this way.

574
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,800
It gives us something to talk about.

575
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,760
It does and I'm finding this quite hilarious.

576
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Now, my question to you, I'm just going to interrupt for a second.

577
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,320
If this is happening to you, do you call the number?

578
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,320
No.

579
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,320
You don't?

580
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,880
No, these guys seem fucking insane.

581
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,960
I feel like I might.

582
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,000
I feel like they want to be fucked with.

583
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,720
So what are they trying to do here?

584
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440
They're just trying to corroborate the story.

585
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,880
So they were told this guy would have been a Serpa astronaut.

586
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,880
He was an alternative.

587
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,880
He didn't actually go.

588
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,880
So they want him to disclose his story on record.

589
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Okay.

590
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:57,880
I mean, I feel like I.

591
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Who told them this?

592
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Probably Richard Doty and they're just bugging some guy who has not confirmed that he was

593
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,040
an astronaut in Serpa.

594
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,680
They don't even know what this guy did.

595
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,400
Like literally nothing about this guy.

596
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,320
This guy probably cut Richard Doty off in traffic one day.

597
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,320
And he looked.

598
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,480
By the way, purely speculation that it's Richard Doty.

599
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,560
Whenever we say Richard Doty throughout most of this, it's just us speculating.

600
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Yeah, he's a dick.

601
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,760
I feel like I'd call.

602
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Okay.

603
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,760
I feel like I'd call.

604
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,240
If it says Serpo, I don't know.

605
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,480
Either I call and I'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about.

606
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,920
Like leave me alone.

607
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,920
It's Serpo.

608
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Go you fools.

609
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:37,080
Or I run with it and I go with it because they're clearly desperate for something and

610
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,080
you fuck with it more.

611
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,560
Someone's clearly fucking with them in the first place.

612
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,040
By the way, they got a great disclaimer paragraph right after this entirely like highly, highly

613
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,040
speculative story they just told.

614
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,720
None of this proves that the man was an astronaut or that Serpo exists, but it does show.

615
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,880
So fairly conclusively that we stepped heavily on someone's toes by making contact with this

616
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,640
man and that the report had rippled out through the Intel community to eventually reach the

617
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,040
person who emailed us.

618
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000
That's exactly what we just said.

619
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,600
So an old man sensitively connected to the story definitely exists.

620
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,560
It is being well protected.

621
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Definitely by that woman at the gate.

622
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,800
She was going to kick their ass.

623
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,600
He was definitely standing.

624
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,000
By the way, old people love to stand in their window and see what's going on with the outside

625
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000
world.

626
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,840
But especially if it's their wife talking to somebody like without a doubt.

627
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Well, not only that, but the wife is probably there checking out what's going on in the

628
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
neighborhood.

629
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Yeah.

630
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,840
She just needed a better angle on the neighborhood.

631
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,600
In another synchronous event, Shauna Connolly having come to blows in protest at their ethical

632
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,600
activity.

633
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,680
I have no idea what that means with Ryan Dubey and Steven Bogbans.

634
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Her former conspirators and debunkers at the reality uncovered forum out in reality

635
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,400
uncovered ongoing smear campaign and massive and compelling detail on Serpo.info, which

636
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,320
I didn't even realize until just now.

637
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,280
It's not Serpo.org is Serpo.info.

638
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,000
I don't know if that's a separate website.

639
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,240
The only thing she omitted to mention is the listed catalog of dirty tricks was there having

640
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,840
gained unauthorized access to my personal email account, not just the Serpo emails last November

641
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,840
and December.

642
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,120
An action which I've obtained legal advice was criminal.

643
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,880
Apart from this detail, the entire account of the smear campaign is well told on Serpo.info

644
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,080
and needs no repetition on these pages.

645
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,440
All this combined with Carrie Cassie myself celebrating the first anniversary of our initial

646
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,040
meeting when Carrie interviewed me with another interview 12 months on to the day made me

647
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,440
realize that now was the optimum time to step down for being the webmaster of the site,

648
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,800
which has intrigued and involved so many for so long.

649
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,520
As stated above, I've been considering this since December 2006 and the principal trigger

650
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,880
for the final decision now was the Lawdow Flynn anniversary combined with the complete

651
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240
lack of further updates for six months.

652
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,480
So from here on out, I'll look back on Serpo with a mixture of fondness and relief.

653
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,720
I'll be focusing full time on Project Camelot, a website of comprehensive video interviews

654
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,440
with insiders and other important disclosure witnesses.

655
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400
Here are my conclusions, such as it's possible to reach any.

656
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,400
1.

657
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
As I stated in my July 26th American Anti-Gravity interview, I believe the Serpo story is a

658
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,120
mixture of disinformation and naturally occurring compounded errors surrounding a core of extraordinary

659
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,120
truths.

660
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:18,000
As stated above, an old man, sensitively connected to the story, definitely exists.

661
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320
And is being well protected.

662
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Haha, fight the woman at the gate.

663
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Haha.

664
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,080
My instinct that this story has been made available to the general public has turned

665
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,520
out to be well justified.

666
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000
There's been an extraordinary amount of dirty tricks and smear specifically intended to

667
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,040
discredit the story, but emanating from relatively small groups of people.

668
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,680
The phrase exchange program has now permanently introduced itself into the vocabulary of the

669
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,520
UFO community and an exchange program of some kind definitely occurred.

670
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,200
The Serpo account is endlessly fascinating and is bound to remain controversial.

671
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,640
However, it was an event that occurred about 50 years ago and is primarily historical.

672
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,320
While one can always learn from the study of history or historical events, my attention

673
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,640
is now concentrated on information and research concerning what may lie ahead for us all.

674
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,760
For those readers who'd like to involve themselves in ongoing discussions and debate, we'll

675
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,000
have them here, and as stated above, my own focus will now be 100% on Project Camelot.

676
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,760
My best wishes to those who have shown interest in the fascinating story.

677
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,080
And as of the last update in the contact information it says in April of 2007, Bill Ryan transferred

678
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,520
ownership of the website to the administration of the Outpost Forum.

679
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,120
We maintain good working relationships with both Bill Ryan and Victor Martinez and will

680
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,760
continue to update the site as necessary.

681
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Readers who have questions or would like further information will find a wealth of discussion

682
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,760
threads on the Project Serpo board and we'd like you to join us for a debate.

683
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:46,760
And Chelsea, now you can go to Serpo.org and tell me what you see.

684
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,760
The site has been suspended.

685
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,760
S-E-R-P-O.org.

686
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,760
Yeah, read what it says.

687
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760
Okay, this is the right spot.

688
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,240
The reason for this could be for instance an unpaid invoice.

689
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:57,640
Please check your emails from us and your invoices and your control panel.

690
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,440
If you need more help, don't hesitate to contact or support Mr.Gardt's service.

691
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,280
So that means that they had no way of contacting the group that actually owned it.

692
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,280
So the only way for them to tell them, hey, you're not paying your bills is to literally

693
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,600
just put it when they try to act on the website.

694
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,200
And obviously nobody has-

695
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Care, yeah.

696
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,520
But it's not actually that long ago.

697
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,320
It's about January of 2023.

698
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,320
This all came from the way back-

699
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,320
Really?

700
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,320
... everything I was saying.

701
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,320
Yeah.

702
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,320
So they maintained it for a long time.

703
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,360
That's not that long ago and all of a sudden they're like, fuck it.

704
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,840
So that is the reign of the Serpo story.

705
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,240
That was a real letdown.

706
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,240
Hold on.

707
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,800
Let me highlight everything on this page.

708
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,160
Nope, that's it.

709
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,400
No sex stuff, unfortunately.

710
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,400
Nope.

711
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Unless you go to the way back machine, in which case there is sex stuff.

712
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,560
Oh, okay.

713
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,560
With the Serpos.

714
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,560
Oh yes, there is.

715
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,560
And screaming.

716
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,280
I did want to highlight that Richard Doty said that it is corroborated by both Linda

717
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,360
Moulton-Hall and Whitley Streber.

718
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,320
I would really like to point out, Whitley Streber and Linda Moulton-Hall on Alien Exchange

719
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,200
programs get all their information from Richard Doty.

720
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,200
What?

721
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,200
No.

722
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Yeah.

723
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,200
No, not still.

724
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,880
Linda Moulton-Hall still.

725
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,120
You're going to be real sad once I finish this part, Chelsea.

726
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,120
No.

727
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,120
No, no, no, no.

728
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,280
Linda Moulton-Hall were first told about an Earth Alien Exchange program in 1983 when

729
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,680
doing research for UFOs, the ET factor, or documentary for HBO.

730
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,880
At the time, she was approached by Air Force Sergeant Richard C. Doty, who said that he

731
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,760
had been given approval to allow her to air secret Air Force information and video footage

732
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,760
in her documentary.

733
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Doty promises to fly how with material that would confirm the existence of extraterrestrial

734
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,320
races, including official government military documents, film, and photographs.

735
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,400
However, he continued to string how along until he finally told her that his superior

736
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,880
said decided against releasing any information.

737
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Without Doty's evidence, HBO gave up on the documentary in 1984, and since that time,

738
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,720
Doty's name has surfaced in many other things.

739
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,560
You can go listen to our Doty episode.

740
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,560
He comes up a lot though.

741
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,560
That's how much he comes up.

742
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,080
Didn't expect it.

743
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,320
There has been talks of the eventual lease of photographs taken on Serpo by the exchange

744
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,560
team, but so far nothing has emerged to lend credence to this baffling story.

745
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,880
And until the time they had actually come out with physical evidence about Project Serpo,

746
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,040
the story should be treated as another unverifiable UFO tale, all of yet a fun one.

747
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,920
I quite enjoy Serpo as a story.

748
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,920
Chelsea, this really bothered me.

749
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,920
What is this?

750
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,520
When would you think it's a reasonable time to have your last interview with Richard Doty

751
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,520
without being not credible anymore?

752
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Like the 80s.

753
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:28,600
As soon as he found out that he was giving her false information, which was the 80s.

754
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,280
First files, Linda Malton House podcast.

755
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,280
I don't want to hear it.

756
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,280
2017, they aired a feature movie.

757
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,280
No.

758
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,280
Why?

759
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,280
Linda, why?

760
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,280
I need answers.

761
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Do you know why?

762
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,600
No idea.

763
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,160
I was starting to listen to it, but I just ran out of time and it didn't have to do specifically

764
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,160
with Serpo.

765
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,240
It was actually about Rendlesham.

766
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:49,720
So like that's, yeah, that bothers me a lot.

767
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,200
Sorry, Rendlesham, Richard Doty and Rendlesham?

768
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,200
Yeah.

769
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,200
No.

770
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Yeah.

771
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200
All the documents that he saw were made.

772
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Please send me the link to that.

773
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,200
My card is breaking.

774
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,200
Oh no.

775
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960
So we have two things to talk about right now.

776
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,680
We're going to go over the rational wiki and then we're going to talk about coast to coast

777
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,000
and we'll be done with this episode.

778
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,200
So surprisingly, rational wiki comes to a lot of the same conclusion as us.

779
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,840
Anonymous claimed to be a retired U.S. government official with top secret clearance.

780
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Mr. Anonymous, you mean?

781
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Of course.

782
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,400
Investigation by the reality uncovered network led them to believe that this Mr. Anonymous

783
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,400
was Richard Doty.

784
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,840
A former security guard with the Air Force, with a Fosse.

785
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,400
The RUN investigators developed a story to include two other fabricators, the three being

786
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,600
known alternatively as the Imaginary Intelligence Agency or Scammers Inc.

787
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,320
I should just say that I agree with that fully.

788
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,560
They did put a citation in there for this.

789
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,400
The citation leads to a Chinese website.

790
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,240
I don't like how they cited it.

791
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,240
I want to believe that this thing exists.

792
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,480
I can't guarantee that this actually exists.

793
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Okay.

794
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,480
Yeah.

795
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,480
I'm just going to say that this is the physics of the story.

796
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Okay.

797
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,360
So assuming figures are correct, traveling at 40 times the speed of light for four or

798
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,520
10 months would mean that Serpo would only be 33.3 light years away.

799
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Not 39 light years as described.

800
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Alternatively, if it is in fact 39 light years away, then the trip must have taken 11.7 months

801
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,440
at 40 times the speed of light.

802
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,000
So their math doesn't check out on how long it took to get there.

803
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,840
Next up, believers in Serpo cite the use of wormholes to explain time travel.

804
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,520
These are still just science fiction.

805
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Like we don't really, we've never seen one.

806
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,160
We don't know if they actually exist.

807
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,160
They're just theoretical and use in science fiction for travel purposes.

808
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,160
Okay.

809
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Can I also just add the math being off just proves that it's true.

810
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Oh, right.

811
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,520
That's Dodie's say.

812
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,520
Yeah.

813
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,600
And not the fact that Dodie was bad at math.

814
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,120
So his stat wouldn't track.

815
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,680
So he would say that that.

816
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Exactly.

817
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,680
I mean, it's true.

818
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Yeah.

819
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,920
The reticulite binary star are many thousands of astronomical units apart and a planetary

820
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,400
orbit is problematic because any classic orbit around just one of the stars would be

821
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,080
so eccentric that temperature variations over the planet's years would be so extreme

822
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,320
as to make multi cellular life very difficult or impossible.

823
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,280
And the claim that radiation at Serpo's surface is intense is also hard to believe.

824
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,800
These stars are also relatively young, perhaps only half as old as our son.

825
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Well that fact does not rule out in the evolution of a technically advanced civilization.

826
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,880
It certainly reduces the probability.

827
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,640
That what I don't agree with because the Serpo peoples, the even specifically said that they

828
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,960
traveled there later on.

829
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Yeah, come on.

830
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,960
Yeah.

831
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,120
So it's anti-matter as an energy source, not ridiculous per se, but we don't know how

832
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,560
it would actually work.

833
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,280
And it's very likely to explode basically from how we understand anti-matter and not

834
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400
be a very usable source.

835
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,280
So Serpo, the people involved are absolutely crazy.

836
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,200
Like every single one of them from Dodie to Bill Ryan, they come up with the craziest

837
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,720
explanations for these.

838
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,240
But the mantle has been taken up from the coast to coast perspective by a man by the

839
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:44,560
name of Len Casten.

840
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Len, here's his biography on coast to coast.

841
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,960
Len has a Bachelor of Arts degree from Cornell University where he majored in psychology,

842
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,840
minored in literature and philosophy.

843
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,320
Obviously the guy that you want involved in UFO leaks.

844
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,280
He entered the US Air Force aviation cadet program.

845
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,800
After graduating, well in the Air Force, he experienced a UFO encounter that had a transformative

846
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,440
experience in his life, although he didn't realize it until a few years later.

847
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,440
There's more to it, but I really want to focus on what he actually talks about.

848
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,720
He talks about like three main categories and he's not involved with the original thing.

849
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,360
This is just him looking at it as an observer.

850
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,720
He's written many books on it though at this point.

851
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,480
First thing he talks about, Serpo.

852
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,040
Next thing he talks about, Nazis in Antarctica.

853
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Third thing he talks about, reptilians.

854
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,520
And those are his go-to stuff on coast to coast AM.

855
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Those are some three good picks.

856
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,080
Like I'm just going to go through his list of stuff.

857
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,200
He was on in 2020, Nazi reptilian space program.

858
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,320
He was on in 2019, Serpo, reptilians and Nazis.

859
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Nazi reptilian space program to Serpo.

860
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,880
He was on in 2017, reptilian conquest.

861
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,240
He was on in 2016, ET exchange program.

862
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,840
He was on in 2014, Project Serpo.

863
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,680
2013, Project Serpo.

864
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,560
2010, the ET agenda.

865
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,120
So just like the guy is interesting to say the least, he also has added a bit to the

866
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,600
story saying that this is from one of his episodes.

867
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,680
I can't remember which one.

868
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640
The Ebens used a deceased exchange member to create a new hybrid creature and had done

869
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,680
similar experimentations with beings that they had brought back from many other worlds.

870
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,480
He has revealed most of the exchange team returned to earth in 1978.

871
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,480
The highly classified project Glee was developed to foster communications between Serpo and

872
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,880
earth and involves a beam that's propelled at enormous speeds.

873
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,480
He explained, according to cast him, the Ebens continue to have diplomatic relationships

874
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,480
with our civilization.

875
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,680
And the last time coast to coast AM has somebody on about Project Serpo 2023.

876
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Really?

877
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,680
Yeah.

878
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,760
I mean, there's only so many people out there that you can talk to.

879
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,040
So I mean, I would listen to it if I still had it.

880
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,880
No, because this story is just freaking ridiculous.

881
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,880
I love this story.

882
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,280
I know it's so good.

883
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,280
It's nice to have it.

884
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280
And the people involved are insane.

885
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,080
So yeah, that's where I'm going to leave you guys off with Serpo.

886
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,080
It's fucking insane.

887
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,080
All the people involved with it are insane.

888
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,680
Or also talk about reptilians and Nazis.

889
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Sometimes all of those three things in the same episode.

890
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,400
Hourspan.

891
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,800
I love that.

892
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,480
I do have something to add or just like speculate on.

893
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,720
This is if this is Richard Doty, which it is, I love that that's the same conclusion that

894
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:15,720
they drew as well, because like right away on the first episode, we were like, it's Richard

895
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,560
Doty because you hear him.

896
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,800
We praise Richard Doty.

897
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,800
It's Richard Doty.

898
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,800
Yeah.

899
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:27,240
And the fact of the matter is, if it is Richard Doty, the guy has such a big fucking ego,

900
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:28,240
which he does.

901
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,040
I think we gathered as much when we did the episode on him, because first of all, he's

902
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,280
like, they'll give it to this fantastic person to leak to named Richard Doty.

903
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,760
And then he like goes on to give a statement to the UFO magazine.

904
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,880
He's like, this is obviously all true because of this, but it might be a hoaxer because

905
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,880
of this.

906
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,640
And like, what a big ego the guy has to like do something like that.

907
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,800
And that's how you know it's Richard Doty.

908
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,800
Yeah.

909
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,040
And then Bill Ryan is clearly just getting emails from Richard Doty and him on to investigate

910
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
this thing with this random old man.

911
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Clearly speculation on my part that is clearly Richard Doty that sent those emails.

912
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
And by this point, when was this?

913
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,200
This is the 80s, right?

914
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,360
That him sending the letters.

915
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,760
So no, Serpo happened between the 60s and the 70s.

916
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,360
It was a 13 year period.

917
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,520
Oh, so this is before, hold on.

918
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,920
This is before we all knew about what he was up to.

919
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,680
No, but the stories that we're talking about, like them interacting through the website

920
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,000
is all 2005, 2007.

921
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Oh.

922
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,680
But this is all when everybody knows what Richard Doty is up to.

923
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,560
It's still a fresher story.

924
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,440
There might be still people that believe that his side.

925
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,280
At this point, you have no reason to believe Richard Doty.

926
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,480
Who would believe Richard Doty?

927
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Bill Ryan.

928
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Bill Ryan.

929
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,480
You're not.

930
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:59,440
And he really wants the story to be true and is taking unverifiable secondhand information

931
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,480
as gospel and saying because they didn't respond to my letter is proof that they were.

932
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,120
He's trying to make it happen.

933
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,120
Yeah, for sure.

934
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,120
So yeah, that's the story.

935
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,240
See anything else you want to add.

936
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:11,240
That's it.

937
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:12,240
I love the Serpo story.

938
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,680
I'm never going to stop loving the Serpo story.

939
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,120
I didn't know any of the side of the Serpo story and I loved it.

940
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,120
And you started off this episode with a shocker and I love that as well.

941
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,840
I honestly find the background of everything that people are saying outside of the Serpo

942
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,040
story itself is just as insane as the Serpo story.

943
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,040
And I love it.

944
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,520
That just adds so much more to it.

945
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,520
He talks about it.

946
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,800
They're not going to talk about that on Coast to Coast AM.

947
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,800
No.

948
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,800
Yeah, that was great.

949
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,400
Experts on that side disregard this information as inconvenient.

950
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Yeah.

951
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,400
No kidding.

952
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,400
I loved it.

953
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,400
I loved all of it.

954
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,400
That was great.

955
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,720
And I hope you all did at home as well.

956
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:49,520
I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.

957
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,920
We are Journey to the Fringe.

958
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.

959
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,200
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960
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,240
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961
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:03,280
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us that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email at Journey to

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the Fringe at gmail.com.

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For now, I'll see you in the next episode.