1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,560 From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,280 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe. 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,600 When life gives you lemons, say thanks and listen to Journey to the Fringe. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,520 We are your lemonless host, Taylor and Chelsea, and although it is a Chelsea episode, I think 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,520 today she's gonna get dumb with it. 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,240 Without any more context, I think I will let her take it over from here. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,040 I feel like that's what I do every episode that's in Chelsea. 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,880 I feel a little naked right now because we don't have the opener. 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,400 We're unprotected, yes. 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:46,480 Yeah, I guess I'm just gonna welcome you to Dulce, New Mexico, or specifically under 11 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:50,320 Dulce, New Mexico, where there's an underground base. 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,720 So let's just jump right into that. 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,120 I'm not used to doing it this way. 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:02,160 According to experts, underground base for Dulce, New Mexico experts, I said that in quotations, 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,840 by the way, the experts parts. 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,960 Quotations this week, am I right? 17 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:11,840 The area located around the Colorado, New Mexico border near the town of Dulce, New 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,640 Mexico lies a massive secret underground facility, as I kind of already said. 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:24,000 The base is said to be a seven-story compound that houses human animal hybrids, human alien hybrids, 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,640 human body parts stored in vats, extremely advanced technologies, and there's even been 21 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,280 some alien wars going on down there. 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,080 I knew it. 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,640 I know. 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,000 That's where I would hide it too. 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,840 Nothing else is going on in New Mexico. 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,160 I thought you were talking about underground but New Mexico, right? 27 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Especially underground New Mexico. 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Rumors of alien intervention in the area kind of started happening around the 1970s. 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:57,920 When a former New Mexico state police trooper named Gabe Valdez documented unexplained cattle 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,000 mutilations in the area according to the Santa Fe New Mexican paper. 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,640 In a radio interview, Valdez said the evidence that was left there, you know, 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,440 predators don't leave gas masks, glow sticks, radar chaff, chief. 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,800 I don't know what that is. 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,600 I don't know either. 35 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,400 They don't leave that. 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Does radar get chaffed? 37 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:16,480 I don't know. 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,480 It's C-H-A-F-F. 39 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,320 I don't know what that is. 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,720 Anyhow, Valdez gave further interviews dealing sightings of black, 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:31,040 silent, sophisticated spacecraft and the discovery of a fetus inside a dead cow. 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,400 Not a calf fetus. 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,520 It looked like a human, a monkey and a frog. 44 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,040 Valdez told the history channels UFO hunters, don't have any bones in the head. 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,160 It was all full of water, Valdez thought. 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,120 The cows were incubating alien babies. 47 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Does he have the fetus still? 48 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,280 No, I'm assuming not. 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,720 That's a very good question. 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,800 Somehow that didn't even occur to me to ask as I was typing this all up. 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,160 No, I'm assuming not. 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,360 Sounds like he was the only one that witnessed this thing. 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Tim Anderson, a former police officer in Dulce, 54 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,400 claimed to have seen a UFO in the town in the late 1990s. 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,480 He's quoted as saying it let up the whole valley and just disappeared into the rocks. 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,040 End quote. 57 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,280 He told the Santa Fe, New Mexican. 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,040 He says, I just rubbed my eyes. 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Did I really see that? 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,520 Now, what really exploded Dulce into what we pretty much know it as today, 61 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,600 which is what I just said with the underground base, not the town. 62 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,600 That's not what we know Dulce as today. 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,120 We know it as an underground base. 64 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,280 How many people actually live in Dulce, New Mexico? 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,560 I think it's a small town. 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,880 Like it's really tiny from what I remember. 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,240 You're not counting the people employed at the underground base. 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,320 Yeah, don't they like shuttle them in from like all over the world? 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,880 From our last deep underground military base story? 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Isn't that how it works? 71 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,600 Not only around the world, but also like space and stuff. 72 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,200 Population of 2,743 as of the 2010s. 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Wow, that is tiny. 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,680 Okay, so what really got the Dulce underground base into what we know it as today, 75 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,000 we've already kind of covered this in a previous episode. 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 It might be hidden in a previous episode, probably not, but at this point it is 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,760 because you'd have to go looking for it. 78 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,160 And I'm going to test you on this one. 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,920 Do you recall where we talked about it? 80 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,520 And I think I already told you about it. 81 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,800 So yeah, it was in the Montauk episode, I'm pretty sure. 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,640 No, we're listening when I gave you the answer. 83 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,200 No, I wasn't. 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,080 No, I was too busy trying to figure out stuff about Dulce. 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,240 You might be surprised that it showed up on the Richard Dodie episode. 86 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Most honest and loving gentleman you would ever meet. 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,640 He has his fingers in a lot of things. 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:43,280 He does. 89 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:44,880 I'm going to go over it again. 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,720 Obviously, there's a lot of context to where this is coming from. 91 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,720 I highly recommend going back and listening to the Richard Dodie episode. 92 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:53,920 It's a good episode. 93 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,600 It's a couple part or at least and you get all the background information 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,080 because there's a lot going into this that you need to know. 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,720 And I'm only covering it briefly because I need to cover a couple more things on this episode. 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,720 This does seem to be where the infamous lore actually starts. 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,840 Less this buddy up top here, Valdez. 98 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:16,800 Obviously, this guy didn't explode Dulce into what we know it as today. 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,800 1979 is the year. 100 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Albenowitz is the dude. 101 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,440 He's a businessman and UFO investigator. 102 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,320 I'm pretty sure he was an amateur, but he had high interest in the UFO. 103 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,880 It's really hard to be a pro UFO investigator. 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,080 It doesn't pay well. 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,600 No, I wouldn't assume so. 106 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Well, we just talked about one who no, he doesn't investigate UFOs. 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,800 He's a pro. 108 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,720 This information guy. 109 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,840 Very answer. No. 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Who did we just talk about? 111 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Oh, Travis Walton. 112 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Travis Walton. 113 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,120 Yeah. 114 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:47,680 He's a pro. 115 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,720 But having. 116 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Oh, no, he doesn't even investigate UFOs. 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:51,440 No. 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,520 He just has this one story that he repeats. 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,160 Yeah. 120 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,840 So he had a high interest in UFOs and he's convinced he's intercepting 121 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,680 electronic communications from aliens outside of Albuquerque. 122 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:09,280 And everyone's friend, Richard Doty, who works for the government is basically playing into this guy's 123 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:11,920 story and feeding him lies. 124 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Chelsea, do you remember where Albuquerque's come up in the past for us? 125 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:16,480 Richard Doty. 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:16,960 No. 127 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:17,760 What's his name? 128 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,880 The chrono knot. 129 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,040 That was where he time traveled to. 130 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,280 Remember when his dad took him to Albuquerque? 131 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:23,760 Yeah. 132 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,240 Okay. 133 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,440 That's weird. 134 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,200 It's a weird thing, but okay. 135 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,640 What was his name? 136 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,600 It's a hot spot for this kind of stuff. 137 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:32,960 New Mexico. 138 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Yeah. 139 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,960 And I think part of it really is that New Mexico is like one of the least populated out of the states. 140 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Like this is a tiny little town and there's still tons of military bases there. 141 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:42,880 Yeah. 142 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,640 I mean, that's where they're going to have it. 143 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Yeah. 144 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,000 Be looking for his name. 145 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Andrew Bozziago. 146 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:47,280 Yes. 147 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:48,320 Bozziago. 148 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,440 How could we forget? 149 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,360 That magnificent man in his unicorn. 150 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,360 He doesn't even need to unicorn. 151 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:55,600 He's just. 152 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,480 I've been keeping my eyes out for his 2024 campaign. 153 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,200 It's not up yet. 154 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,240 It's so sad. 155 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,320 I really hope he does something so we can. 156 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,320 We're going to get shirts if he does it for sure. 157 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,520 Oh, for sure. 158 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,960 I'm supporting that. 159 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Long story short, Benowitz has a friend named Mirna Hansen received memories during a hypnotic 160 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,680 regression by Leo Sprinkle. 161 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,880 I had to throw his name in. 162 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,720 I cannot say Leo Sprinkle. 163 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,520 She recovers memories of being taken to an underground alien base where she saw human 164 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,320 body parts and bats where she was implanted with a device that would allow the aliens to 165 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,600 monitor her thoughts. 166 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,680 What were they doing with those body parts? 167 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,720 I'm assuming. 168 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,040 What would you do with bats of body parts? 169 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Can't say I would have any use for that. 170 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Yeah. 171 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,120 Otherwise, I would probably have it. 172 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,160 I'm just going on what I've talked about already in this episode. 173 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,160 They're just experimenting. 174 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,120 The only place I've ever come across like bats of body parts was the Penis Museum in 175 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,000 Iceland and there was very specific reasons that the bats had body parts in them. 176 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,760 If you're ever in Iceland, it's a good little tour. 177 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,840 You've never been to an underground base though. 178 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Yeah, true. 179 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,360 I specifically can't pull from memory where I've seen bats of body parts. 180 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,680 I don't believe I've ever came across them. 181 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:14,080 So she's implanted with something to monitor her thoughts and Benowitz wanted to get to 182 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,560 the bottom of it because he thought it was related to the UFOs he's been witnessing for 183 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,600 himself and this is really parring it down the episode. 184 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,880 So go listen to it. 185 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,080 I'm not going to say it again. 186 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:26,640 I probably won't. 187 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:33,200 So Paul researched the shit out of this and he chose Dulce, New Mexico based on UFO sightings, 188 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,640 cattle mutilation and Native American lore and he comes up with Dulce and it's true. 189 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Around this area, there are a lot of UFO sightings. 190 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,760 There's lots of cattle mutilation. 191 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:49,840 So it's not far-fetched and you're looking for an area like this that this is going to kind of 192 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:50,880 pinpoint you. 193 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,400 Dulce also makes an appearance in the Kinwalker Ranch by George Knapp. 194 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,080 Yeah, I'm sure it does. 195 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,080 Just some sightings that happen there. 196 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,280 It's really interesting. 197 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,280 Like super bizarre that happened there. 198 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,840 Oh yeah, I love the super bizarre. 199 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:09,360 So oh yeah, Paul was a pilot and narrowing down his search for the base, he would like 200 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,480 randomly fly around areas to see if he could figure out like where this base was and he 201 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,320 would take pictures of the areas. 202 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,880 If you're looking for a military base, I feel like trying to fly over it is a terrible plan. 203 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Well, you have to remember Paul Benowitz lived across from a military base. 204 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,600 The name escapes me right now and he was literally videotaping UFOs flying around the 205 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:35,840 base. 206 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,120 What he thought were UFOs, whether they were or not, different story. 207 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:44,560 And he was videotaping these and Richard Doty was there being like, you really found something. 208 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:44,880 Yeah. 209 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,880 Thank you for videotaping this. 210 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,320 Let's look into it. 211 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:54,880 So with that logic, I don't think that would off put him to go take pictures of other military 212 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:55,440 bases. 213 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,880 He's probably like, I'm doing. 214 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,840 Yeah, but he was on the ground there as opposed to like flying overhead. 215 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,200 Like I just, I wouldn't want to fly near a military base personally. 216 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:05,760 That's true. 217 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,680 I feel like that's a really bad plan. 218 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:08,720 That's asking for it. 219 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Like that guy that was on coast to coast day, I'm flying his aircraft to area 51. 220 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:13,920 Yeah. 221 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Okay, what he was taking pictures of was apparently a secretive military installation, 222 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,080 training commandos. 223 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,200 Interstage, right? 224 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,680 Richard Doty, cue the booze. 225 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,080 He's like, yeah, Paul, you're probably right. 226 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Let's go check it out in this helicopter here. 227 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,880 And after the Air Force has staged some old equipment for them to see, a stage structures, 228 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,240 even standing vents connected to nothing that made it appear as if some complex had been 229 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,440 built into the mountain. 230 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,880 They even had people stand around looking like they were guarding something. 231 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,560 This is Richard Doty doing this. 232 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:54,080 And it is exactly where the Dalcy, New Mexico alien based conspiracy theory comes from. 233 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:59,120 And might I add at this point that Richard Doty, while a disinformation agent for the government, 234 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,440 he has also said that they did sprinkle truth in with the lies. 235 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Though take with that what you will. 236 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:11,840 Benowitz takes this information Doty gave him and he spread it everywhere in the UFO community. 237 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Obviously, there's much, much more to the story. 238 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,240 And if you've never heard of the Paul Benowitz or Richard Doty story, then boy, are you in 239 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,200 for a horrible treat. 240 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,960 One more time, go listen to our episode. 241 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,480 Although if you're listening to this episode, odds are you have listened to that episode. 242 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,200 Just go listen again. 243 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:25,920 It's true. 244 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,640 It's true because it's one of our most popular episodes. 245 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,080 So let's move on. 246 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,080 Because I dislike Richard Doty. 247 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:32,640 That's right. 248 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,040 You may think it ends there, but it does not. 249 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:41,360 Interstage left, the lip-sneider with an odd twist, a former explosives expert employed 250 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,560 by the US government special services to build an underground military base in Dulce. 251 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:52,400 This is a different story contributing to the Dulce underground military base. 252 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,480 I don't know if it's military underground. 253 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Yeah. 254 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,720 Well, it's usually called dumb, like deep underground military bases. 255 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,440 So, okay. 256 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,880 So probably military. 257 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:07,520 So Schneider, as with Doty, had a high level security clearance, which is weird that we 258 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,840 continue to get high level security clearance people for this. 259 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:18,640 And he claimed that he helped construct a secret underground military base in Dulce in 1979. 260 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,960 This is the same year Doty is fucking around with Benowitz concerning Dulce. 261 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,880 And I'm pretty sure Doty is still just generally fucking around to this day. 262 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,120 Yeah. 263 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,720 He's still in the UFO community. 264 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,520 It's weird. 265 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,120 It is so weird. 266 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Anyhow, Schneider claims that he witnessed a battle with subterranean aliens that left 267 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,440 60 humans dead. 268 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,920 And he was one of three survivors. 269 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,000 And the war rages on to this day. 270 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Intriguing, right? 271 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Intriguing, right? 272 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,680 So there's a 40-year war or so going on under Dulce, New Mexico. 273 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:50,000 Okay. 274 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:50,560 Yeah. 275 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:51,760 We can show you. 276 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,040 It's weird that it's just contained there if it's a true war, but... 277 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,600 And it's only like 60 people are so involved in it. 278 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,080 I hope they like at least swap the people out so they're not continuously fighting still. 279 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Yeah, that would be nice. 280 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,200 Well, I found a really great article by the Epoch Times that kind of summarized everything 281 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,720 up so nicely. 282 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Great source right there. 283 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,680 It's owned by a cult, eh? 284 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:16,160 Really? 285 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Yeah. 286 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,920 I can't remember which, but it's actually might be owned by the Moonsies. 287 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,400 Honestly, it was put together so nicely and just summarized everything up. 288 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,560 Fantastically that I just took it right from here and I couldn't have said it better myself. 289 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:34,000 So cult or not, Epoch Times, you did a great job on this article and I'm going to quote right from you. 290 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Sorry, it's not the Moonsies, but it is a cult. 291 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,120 It's the Falongong. 292 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,920 That just adds to the mysteriousness of it. 293 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:45,200 So he says that the work team drilled four large holes, the standard way to start construction, 294 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,880 but what emerged from the holes was not at all part of the standard procedure. 295 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,080 All the Black City air came up when he drilled the holes there, 296 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,960 Schneider said, in a lecture at the 1995 Paradness Expo. 297 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,800 I guess he's in the prepper community? 298 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Because that's like a prepper. 299 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Yes. 300 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Unless he's just talking wherever people will have him. 301 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:03,840 Yeah, true. 302 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,680 He had gone underground to make an assessment when he found himself just feet away from a big gray, 303 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,920 seven foot tall alien, which is weird. 304 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,840 We haven't heard that they're that tall in previous calendars with them. 305 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,560 No. 306 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:21,840 And also it sounds like they were building a military base and these aliens were just already there. 307 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:22,320 Yes. 308 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,800 Okay. 309 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,080 It happened upon the base already there. 310 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:26,400 Yeah. 311 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,560 I just need to put this right in my mind. 312 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,960 So the military didn't know these guys were here and they did it or did they know this 313 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,800 and they're building it because they're there, but they didn't tell anybody. 314 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,840 Not sure on that part. 315 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Let's see where the story takes us. 316 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Okay. 317 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,400 Like I can tell you, let's just read the story. 318 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,160 The stench was worse than the worst garbage can. 319 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,960 The entity was absolutely horrible, he said. 320 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,600 Schneider fumbled for a pistol he was carrying. 321 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,960 He killed two of the beings, but not before one of them could emit a strange and harmful energy. 322 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,480 Alien made a sort of circular motion with his hand. 323 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,800 For those of you listening to the podcast, we are both attempting to figure out what this looks like. 324 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,400 We both went with different ways with it by the way. 325 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,800 Maybe he's windmilling his arms. 326 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,480 That's you could windmilling his arms. 327 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,800 Oh yeah, that would be circular motion. 328 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Yeah. 329 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Yeah. 330 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,240 For free windmill. 331 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,080 Waving it in front of his chest, Schneider imitated the action. 332 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Oh, he imitated it as well. 333 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,200 You just have to. 334 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,880 He's windmilling too. 335 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:36,240 The next thing I know, this blue beam hit me and just literally opened me up like a fish. 336 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,840 He showed the audience his hand. 337 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,920 The beam burned off some of the fingers on his left hand and hit his chest. 338 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,680 It also burned his shoes off and even burned his toenails off. 339 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,320 A green beret saved Schneider's life and he lost his own in the process. 340 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,040 Got Schneider into a lift and pushed the button to raise him above the ground to safety. 341 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Now, if this story isn't real, that really took some commitment on his part 342 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,120 because he's actually missing some of his hand. 343 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,640 Chelsea, he's an explosive expert. 344 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Bring up a good point. 345 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,840 I have a feeling that missing fingers in the explosive community is pretty common. 346 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,200 But he's an expert. 347 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:09,520 Not now. 348 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,120 But how did he get to be an expert? 349 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:12,720 That's true. 350 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,960 By losing the fingers. 351 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,560 Of course. 352 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,160 More than 60 people lost their lives that day, said Schneider. 353 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,360 The other two survivors are living in nursing homes in Canada. 354 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,600 He said they are protected by the Canadian government and no American citizen, 355 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,160 Schneider included, is allowed access to them. 356 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,200 Schneider said this is because they were scared of being kidnapped. 357 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,040 Can we have access to them? 358 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,400 We're not American citizens. 359 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,400 We should look into that. 360 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,720 We should just go on a nursing home tour. 361 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Yeah, there's lots in my neighborhood. 362 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,640 I can just go check. 363 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,320 It's true. 364 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Go door knocking. 365 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,280 There's a war under there and has been going on since that time, he said. 366 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:59,760 He spoke of 1477 underground bases around the world, 129 of which were located in the United States. 367 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,440 Each cost 17 billion or more, he said, the black budget. 368 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:09,440 In and from other U.S. government agencies and from the public, Garner's 25% of the gross national 369 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:09,840 product. 370 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:15,120 Military forces from multiple countries have been engaged in such warfare with aliens, he said. 371 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:18,400 You know what I really like about his story and you can tell that he's telling the truth? 372 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Very specific odd numbers. 373 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,680 It's always the odd number. 374 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,200 It's not 500 bases. 375 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,560 It's 129. 376 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,560 That's how you know it's believable. 377 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:26,880 It's true. 378 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,240 That's just in the handbook of being believable at the screen. 379 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,640 We must instill in our public officials. 380 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,320 They must tell the truth, he said. 381 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,960 If the truth cannot totally come out, what's the use in us having anything called freedom? 382 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,120 Yeah, if we can't use the deep underground military bases, why do we even have them? 383 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:43,920 That's not freedom. 384 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:44,720 We should all have. 385 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,960 We should all be able to go and fight with our arms circling. 386 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,480 Actually, no, don't circle your arms. 387 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,680 Apparently that gets you shot, but we can do what we want down there. 388 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,080 And the aliens will call your bluff if you're just circling your hands. 389 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,560 You don't know what that does. 390 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,200 They know because we're humans. 391 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,120 Schneider claimed there were multiple attempts on his life and he began being a whistleblower. 392 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:12,480 He did die in 1997, claimed to be a suicide. 393 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:18,080 However, that is met with suspicion because it happened after he started talking out about this. 394 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,120 So to some people that points to he's telling the truth. 395 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,280 Before I go on to the next guy, Taylor always brings up really good points. 396 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,920 We don't know what he was hired to do. 397 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,200 So essentially this underground military base in his story is already operating. 398 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,200 And what starts the war is when they happen upon it. 399 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,880 And it's still raging to this day. 400 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,600 So what they were hired to do exactly, either the government didn't know there was a military base down there, 401 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,040 or they just wanted to set this guy up for... 402 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,680 Yeah, they send this guy, like they hate this guy, clearly. 403 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,800 They're like, just go dig right there. 404 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,680 Don't worry about it. 405 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,560 Dig those holes. 406 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,760 Put those explosives in. 407 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,440 Don't circle your hands whenever you do. 408 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,360 Then there's Thomas Costello. 409 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:08,000 There's more. 410 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,800 He tells a similar story, but in more detail. 411 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,120 So maybe he has the answers, Costello. 412 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:14,720 I'm not Elvis, it's Thomas. 413 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:23,040 Costello claims to be a former security officer at Dulce Underground Base until the magic number 1979. 414 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,600 I find it weird that all of this happened around... 415 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,760 They all say the same year, yeah. 416 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:33,200 What he described was an underworld, highly secret base operated by humans, 417 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,840 reptilians, and their working class, the reptilians worker class, which might be grays. 418 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,560 I don't know how that hierarchy works. 419 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Maybe it's something we can look into one day. 420 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,920 Yeah, I would be curious about their hierarchy, particularly if they all follow an ardent capitalist 421 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,080 structure like us and see... 422 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,840 I wouldn't doubt it, to be honest. 423 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,440 See if they have space communism. 424 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,560 Who does it love? 425 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,360 It's not me. 426 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,360 Yeah, who would love it? 427 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:06,720 So 1971, Thomas Costello claimed he started working for the Rand Corporation in Santa Monica, California. 428 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,920 In 1970... 429 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,440 Is that like Anne Rand? 430 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,360 That is who I think of as well. 431 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:12,800 I'm not quite sure who it is. 432 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:13,680 Let's take a break. 433 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,400 Yeah, because I'm pretty sure I've heard the Rand Corporation. 434 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,000 I'm pretty sure it's like Anne Rand's... 435 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,800 The Rand? 436 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,520 Who knows if this is the same Rand Corporation? 437 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,720 Is a nonpartisan American, non-profit global policy think tank and research institute? 438 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,520 Yeah, no. 439 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,040 That is exactly who it is. 440 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,440 It's named after Anne Rand and it's for basically people who want their own small government. 441 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,640 That's exactly what it is, located in Santa Monica, California. 442 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,200 Okay. 443 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,840 Okay, so that's an interesting pick for them. 444 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,080 To pick him up and work for them. 445 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,200 It is a little bit. 446 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:49,120 Yeah, they're hiring security detail for an underground military base. 447 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:55,440 In 1977, he was said to have been transferred from California to Dulce Base, New Mexico, 448 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,920 and starting living in Santa Fe where him and his family bought a home. 449 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:06,000 He commuted to work at the Dulce Base on an underground shuttle system similar to that of a tube train. 450 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:11,760 Thomas Casello made some unimaginable claims about the goings-ons at the Dulce Base. 451 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:20,560 He claimed that over 180,000 grays in brackets aliens were at the facility and several hundred 452 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,160 reptilian humanoids that are known as Draco. 453 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,560 Stello described the underground Dulce Base as quite specific details, 454 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,720 explaining that it has seven sub levels, explaining how most of the aliens worked on levels six and 455 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,400 seven. 456 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,760 Level five was mainly made up of the aliens living accommodation. 457 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,880 Thomas Casello's description of the activities being carried out at the Dulce Base included 458 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,920 experiments into telepathy, dreams and hypnosis, and research into human auras. 459 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,600 Why do they have to do that underground? 460 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,680 Like we've looked at actual like... 461 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,640 It's secret. 462 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,680 Secrets need to be... 463 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,600 Yeah, I guess we've seen cognitive research being done in some of our episodes and it's all done. 464 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,320 Above ground. 465 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,280 Above ground. 466 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,000 Yeah, this is much more secret than that. 467 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,400 Okay. 468 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,800 And secret needs to be buried underground. 469 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,400 Like the deepest secrets. 470 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,960 I mean it doesn't seem so bad at this point. 471 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,240 It would either have to be massive or these 180,000 grays don't need that much room to live. 472 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,520 Well it's seven stories. 473 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,760 I mean it could be small seven stories. 474 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,040 But even like the biggest cruise ships can only hold like 10,000 people. 475 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,920 Oh that's true. 476 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,200 It would have to be massive. 477 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,520 Yeah. 478 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,320 It would have to be. 479 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:40,480 So he said that the aliens have the capability to separate the bioplasmic body from the physical body 480 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,920 and replace an alien life force within a human body after removing the soul. 481 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,120 They're taking our plasma? 482 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,080 Taking our plasma and our souls. 483 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,400 This really reminds me of community and that cult that Pierce was involved in. 484 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800 And when you die you get liquefied in your goo. 485 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,880 It turns out your soul's just plasma that can be sucked out. 486 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,440 You know what I don't know when he's making these claims. 487 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,800 I mean when you're could seek inspiration from. 488 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,520 But I'm gonna go with this is true. 489 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:09,920 Okay. 490 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Until at least the end maybe I don't know. 491 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:20,160 Still those horrifying claims spoke about genetic experiments being carried out on a 492 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,560 variety of different life forms including fish, mice, birds, seals and even humans. 493 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,040 I mean with this statement I'm assuming all of these animals have souls. 494 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,400 They're being stolen as well. 495 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,960 And they're being replaced with whatever they said. 496 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,240 An alien life force. 497 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,280 Alien plasma. 498 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:35,680 Yeah. 499 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,560 I'm gonna be looking at animals differently you know. 500 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Especially if they're acting weird. 501 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:46,080 So blah blah blah life forms including fish, mice, birds on level six of the facility. 502 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,320 Also known as Nightmare Hall. 503 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:48,800 Fake. 504 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,320 He described how the products. 505 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,040 Okay. 506 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,280 Do you have something to add about Nightmare Hall? 507 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,040 I'm just really curious why they went with that name. 508 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,400 Because I would say it's a play on work. 509 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,920 Uh what is yeah play on work. 510 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,680 Because I guess they're working on dreams. 511 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Okay. 512 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,720 Exactly. 513 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,200 Yeah. 514 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,840 He described how the products of these experiments were stored in huge tanks that 515 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,600 contained multi-limbed humans and spoke of a room filled with cages holding tall humanoid 516 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,720 bat-like creatures. 517 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,760 They have mothmen. 518 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,240 They do. 519 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,320 But this is nowhere near the mothman sightings. 520 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,200 No it's not. 521 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,880 Not near the TNT plant. 522 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,920 Less is connected. 523 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,520 Does anyone ever think of that for our underground tunnels? 524 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,120 And the bat people are only allowed to go to one specific stop. 525 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:33,600 Yeah. 526 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,880 To stretch their legs. 527 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Did we just break the mothman case wide open? 528 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,240 I think we saw fit. 529 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Okay. 530 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,360 There we go. 531 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,520 That's where they're coming from. 532 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Okay. 533 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,880 In all seriousness. 534 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,160 Castello spoke about the horrors that took place on level seven. 535 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:54,000 He said that this is what compelled him to flee the facility and made him feel as though he had to 536 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,080 disclose what he knew to the public. 537 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,760 Thomas Castello's own words quote level seven contained row upon row of thousands of humans. 538 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,280 Human mixture remains of embryos of humanoids. 539 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,640 Kept in cold storage. 540 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,520 I frequently encountered humans and cages. 541 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,440 Usually they were dazed and drugged but sometimes they cried and begged for help. 542 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,040 We were told they were hopelessly insane and involved in high-risk drug tests to cure insanity. 543 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,360 We were told never to speak to them at all. 544 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,080 End quote Castello also claimed that he had information describing similar bases throughout 545 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,360 the solar system. 546 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,800 Some located on several of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. 547 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,520 Castello's colleagues told him that the experiments were conducted on heavily sedated 548 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,720 abduction victims. 549 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,920 Eventually a conflict in opinion about the experimentation victims erupted into a war 550 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,680 between aliens and humans. 551 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,680 The fighting involved also a base security forces, U.S. military personnel and aliens. 552 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,960 Many people were killed in the conflict but in the end Dulce based resumed operating with 553 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200 the same goals and methods as before. 554 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,480 Time for another twist. 555 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,920 Thomas Castello disappeared after telling his story. 556 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,280 At this point no one knows if he went into hiding or possibly was met with foul play. 557 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,560 According to Castello the aliens both gray and reptilians have been on earth for thousands of 558 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,960 years and they don't have hostile intentions towards humans. 559 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,800 I couldn't even get that out of my mouth. 560 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,800 Then it's the humans that are the hostile ones because someone's doing the 561 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,320 twist. 562 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760 Yeah that that's a twist that that right there was the twist. 563 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,600 Apparently the aliens are primarily far more interested in the magnetic power of the earth 564 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,880 and energy they have the capabilities to harvest. 565 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,640 Castello also claimed to have gathered security video footage and various documents as evidence 566 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,520 of the underground facility. We made five copies of the evidence and distributed it 567 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,160 amongst the UFO community. These are known as adult state papers proving the base exists 568 00:26:54,160 --> 00:27:02,320 and includes 30 monochrome photos of the base and let me see if I can send them to you. 569 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,600 I can. 570 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,640 So that one's supposed to be Thomas Castello on the left as soon as you open the link. 571 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,120 Okay. 572 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:15,360 And then on the right upper right that's one of the pictures that he supposedly took. 573 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:16,480 Okay. 574 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,560 And he was taken in 1979 right? 575 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,760 So yeah the quality is kind of just what we would expect. 576 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,240 Yeah. 577 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,760 I like the drawing down lower. They're in a water bottle. 578 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,680 Yeah he also he also has those drawings there that are included in the Dulce papers. 579 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:40,560 That's basically it for Dulce. Honestly I've heard more of the details from Castello regarding 580 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,600 the base when I hear about Dulce with the seven levels and stuff like that is what I'm more 581 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,440 familiar with with Dulce other than have done my own research with Benowitz and Richard 582 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,400 Buckbase. But yeah what do you think? Real? 583 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,200 Oh yeah for sure because it explains them off people. 584 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,840 Everything points towards real if I'm going to be honest with you even the contradictions 585 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,640 with Castello. 586 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,840 That even makes it better. 587 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,520 Saying that they have human's and cages and stuff like that. 588 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760 It does make it more believable doesn't it? 589 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,040 But they come in peace. 590 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,520 And like all of our stories and it turns out we are the real monsters. 591 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000 Yeah I just had to sit with that for a moment. 592 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Yeah. 593 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,120 But in any event Chelsea thank you for this episode. 594 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,160 You're welcome. 595 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Did any other like specifically named deep underground military bases come up when you're 596 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,080 researching this? Like is there any that are specifically connected to Dulce? 597 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,960 Because I know like Montauk it did come up I believe. 598 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,520 Not that specifically came up but at the same time I didn't go looking for it. 599 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,880 Though there was the mention of a tunnel that someone took to get there where that was 600 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,600 origination. 601 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,840 Yeah he didn't even say how long he was in the tunnel. 602 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Like is it like a 20 minute ride? Is it like days? 603 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,920 No it's all very mysterious and un-mysterious at the same time. 604 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,760 And believable which is what I like about it. 605 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,040 Completely. It was the odd numbers and the contradictions. 606 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,320 Yes. 607 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,280 And Richard Doty. 608 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,040 And Richard Doty and with Richard Doty I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 609 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,640 We are Journey to the Fringe. 610 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 611 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,120 Hey. 612 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,840 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 613 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,920 If you have liked what you have listened to please like, share, subscribe or follow 614 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,040 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 615 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Also please if possible leave a five star review 616 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200 as that really helps us in the algorithms. 617 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,240 Should you wish to interact with us please check us out on your social media of choice. 618 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,680 I bet you we are there. 619 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,560 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell 620 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,840 us that we're wrong and terrible either way please send us an email at journey to thefringe 621 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,280 at gmail.com. 622 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:59,280 For now I'll see you in the next episode.