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You know what that sound means? It's another

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episode of Game for a Movie where we ask, are

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you game for a movie? I am Mike, joined by Andre.

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Jill. Oh, I almost got you. I thought we were

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gonna, yeah, okay. What's wrong? We didn't even

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talk about how to deorder. Yeah, we didn't. Did

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we mess it up or what? How could we mess up what

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was not planned? Right, I think we're good. I

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thought we did a great job. Cool. Yeah, I just

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thought I would get you. I was trying to get

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you. That's really what it was. I was just trying

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to catch you off guard. Well, I'm ready for anything.

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Oh, are you? Are you ready for anything? All

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right, then what are you drinking? I'm drinking

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grapefruit sparkling water from Whole Foods.

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grapefruit sparkling water jill i am drinking

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a passion fruit green bubble tea from kung fu

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tea i guess this is an ad not sponsored now not

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sponsored you know it's refreshing it's got boba

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i'll ignore the minions that are on the packaging

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yeah right yeah right it's filthy with minions

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oh of course oh my gosh but at least i get to

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stab the eye You have to commit eye violence

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to get into the boba tea on a minion. And I feel

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nothing as I plunge it in there. I just learned

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a lot about you, Jill. Just cold -blooded. Absolutely

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cold -blooded. This is not a minion household.

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Not a minion household. Definitely not. Well,

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I guess I'll hold down the fort with the alcohol

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because I am alcohol. I have from Vermont Zero

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Gravity Power Suit. Obviously, you guys can't

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see it. I was about to say, it is getting green

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-screened. It is green -screened beyond belief.

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I'm sure it's a very lovely can. Power suit,

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not leisure suit? It is power suit. It has old

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-school... It looks like Kamen Rider stuff. That's

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awesome. Yeah. As soon as I saw the can design,

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I was like, I need this. Yeah, that's awesome.

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It's pretty good. It is a... It's a dippa? No,

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it's just an ippa. But yeah, Tropical Hop Trifecta

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of Flavor. It says unleashing a tropical. How

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is it? You enjoying it? It's very good. This

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is actually my third of the four pack. It's good.

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And like, I can't say anything bad about it,

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but it's just that, you know, it's middle of

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the road. You see it, you grab it. You're just

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like, I know what I'm getting with this. So it's

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good. Yeah. Look at me now for it. You know,

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good to have in the fridge. Exactly. It's at

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the new. So we have new liquor store down the

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road. Oh, you do? I do. And it's honestly awesome.

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We walked in and it's just like this little place.

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But when I tell you they have walls and walls

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of booze, they have walls and walls of booze.

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Do you think I could get bougie -ass rum there?

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Probably. You remember when I was like, it was

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like last year, I was super pumped to find that

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Denizen rum. I need another bottle of that. Think

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they could have that? Maybe. I'm willing to look

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for you because I need beer soon anyway. But

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yeah, so that place is awesome. Highly recommend

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it. I can't remember the name of it off the top

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of my head. I just know where it is. It's one

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of those places like you just know where it is.

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You don't know the name of it, but you're like,

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it's right there around the corner. Right, right,

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right. Yeah. So we have talked about our drinks.

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Yes. Let's talk about some TV and movies. We're

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stretching the definition a little bit here today

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on the media we consume. Game for a TV show.

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All right. game for a series game for a series

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okay series we're yeah all right chooms jack

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in we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna chat about

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uh cyberpunk edge runners nerd sorry i haven't

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even heard of it yet so nerd you haven't you

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haven't heard oh you haven't heard of it i haven't

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heard of this at all but i see g and carlo esposito

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and now you got carlo esposito is in there it's

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by the same anime studio studio trigger who did

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gurren lagann Well, same staff that worked out,

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you know, Guy and X did Gurren Lagann, and then

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people from Studio Guy and X left and made their

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own studio. Well, I thought Trigger did, it was

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the same studio that did Gurren Lagann. And it's

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the bones of the people who did Gurren Lagann.

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That is correct. Studio Trigger's big anime,

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they have a bunch of them, but their big anime

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is like Kill la Kill, Lich Academia, their most

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recent big movie was Promare, that was a little

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more, either way, this is like a well -known

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Studio Trigger is like a well -known anime studio.

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If you're into anime, you're familiar with Trigger

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and their works are pretty popular and very stylistic.

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So Cyberpunk Edgerunners is a 10 -episode miniseries

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based off of the Cyberpunk universe. So it's

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based off of the game, which is based off of

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the tabletop game, right? Yeah. There's a lot

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of layers. Yeah. So basically, this anime has

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kind of taken the nerd world by storm, I feel

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like, in my social circles at least, insofar

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as it's kind of redeemed Cyberpunk 2077 as a

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product. Nerd. Hey, come on. Don't knock until

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you try it, man. You guys take this as offensive.

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I'm just calling you a nerd. well i mean you're

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not wrong um right either way so so i guess mike

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like zooming out a little bit like were you how

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familiar with cyberpunk 2077 like the video game

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so i know of it um i never actually played it

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i was kind of waiting to see um i know it was

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project cd red cd project red yeah yeah i had

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the letters right just in the wrong order yeah

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just yeah you know What? The soundtrack opening

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theme is by Franz Ferdinand? Yeah, the opening

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is This Fire by Franz Ferdinand. The whole soundtrack

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is so far pretty good. Just watch the intro and

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you'll get an idea of how stylized it is. It's

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awesome. This show just oozes style. It's definitely

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very over the top. And so I guess circling back,

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Cyberpunk 2077, huge video game that came out

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at the end of 2020, kind of notorious for coming

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out in an unfinished state, super buggy, super

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massive disappointment. This is supposed to be

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the future GTA game, right? This is supposed

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to be GTA, but... but but sci -fi yeah and people

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have like are hyping this up to be the next gta

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and it was definitely not that and there's a

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lot of controversy around that there was yeah

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what they promised versus what they delivered

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yada yada yada all this is to say there's been

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a dark dark cloud over cyberpunk 2077 as a franchise

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yeah and this is kind this anime coming out is

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kind of like a perfect storm because they've

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been steadily working on the video game fixing

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doing a bunch of bug fixes it's in a stable state

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now adding on to it etc etc um this show has

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kind of garnered a lot of goodwill and a lot

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of people are kind of jumping back into the video

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game and realizing oh hey for what this is this

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is a fun game and what i've heard is they're

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fixing the video game so it's not like it's like

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a train wreck anymore yeah it's it's kind of

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getting the um it's no man's sky no man's sky

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yes that's exactly what you're going to compare

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it to yes exactly Andre's actually started playing

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the video game. This show was successful in that

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I got the video. I noticed they tied it perfectly.

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I looked on Steam. It was on sale for $30. I

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was like, okay, fine. I'll try it. Keanu Reeves

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is inside my head talking trash to me. It's all

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great. What was the whole thing when he was there?

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You're breathtaking. No, you're breathtaking.

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It was awesome. anyways so about the actual flippant

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show uh so cyberpunk ed runners uh takes place

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in night city uh that's like the quintessential

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setting for both the game and the show love that

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name night city yeah it's you know hyper stylized

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near future think blade runner as like kind of

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like a template for it right yeah blade runner

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akira but akira yeah exactly like but turned

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all the way up to 11 in terms of just ridiculousness

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like it's just they it's it's kind of like a

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world where corporate greed is taken completely

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taken over and everybody has just given into

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their hedonistic desires if that makes sense

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i just want one of these days personal greed

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instead of corporate greed like just once right

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yeah i mean just once um so yeah it's definitely

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very cynical very tough very like on the nose

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commentary about our you know society and our

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and capitalism at large whatever you know this

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is like a world where like everybody has cybernetic

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enhancements you know some people are more chrome

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than than than flesh at this point you know okay

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um uh you get you get cybernetic like limb enhancements

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by going to what's called a ripper dock where

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they literally like you just bring a bring a

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part to you that's like this thing's gonna supposed

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to go in my spine you're gonna attach it to me

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and rip it and and just merge it into me like

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okay cool you just yeah we mentioned that this

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thing is incredibly gory there's so much the

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show is incredibly gory and incredibly sexual

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like it's super horny is not the right word for

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it's horny No, it's horny. It's horny. It's horny.

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Yeah, I mean... It's not a hentai by any means.

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This movie's thirsty. This is not a judgment

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on any anime. This show's thirsty. Finish your

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thought, Mike, yeah? Oh, I was just saying, this

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is not a judgment on any anime, but they all

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have at least a little bit of horn. Like, a little

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bit of horny. For the most part, yeah, I agree

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with that. Yeah, this is like I would say the

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horniness here is in line with also the video

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game. You know what I mean? The video is also

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very horny. And that's just a Polish video game,

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right? Yeah, right. You know, yeah, there's there's

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a lot of sex. There's a lot of violence, a lot

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of gore, a lot of a lot of action. So definitely

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not for kids. Don't want don't show the show

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to your kids. This is not definitely not going

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to show up on the kids version of Netflix. This

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is TVMA. yes yep don't don't yeah and they're

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milking that for all it's worth yeah okay um

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and yeah i mean yeah it just does a really well

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really solid job of kind of showing you this

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world and through the perspective of like a young

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uh i guess teenager right david martinez he's

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kind of yeah He's kind of like shown as this

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street kid who, whose mom is trying to get him

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through the super prestigious, like Arasaka Academy,

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Arasaka being the main corporation that controls

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most of night city. So like, you know, he's growing

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up in the streets, but he's attending school

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to super high prestigious, like prep school almost.

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Right. And long story short, he finds himself

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in a situation where he needs to essentially

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breaking bad. It's not the right word for it,

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but like, you know, he needs to hit the streets

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and start, you know, getting, getting getting

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work through the underbelly of society and so

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he kind of falls in street smart yes and he kind

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of stumbles into this super awesome um spinal

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cord uh extension uh like what we call it sandevistan

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which is sandevistan it's a military grade cybernetic

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enhancement that lets you basically go like the

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flash for a few seconds right like where he moves

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around basically that's the plot mcguffin that

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kind of thrusts him into the cyberpunk like role

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as in like you know a mercenary for hire living

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in a society and it's just kind of following

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the adventures of the edge runners game that

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he kind of you know pals up with full of different

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personalities different styles and it's you know

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we're a full disclosure we're 10 that's 10 episodes

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we're we're halfway through yeah and it's just

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a really solid vibe you know okay it's it's like

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it'll change tones on a dime where it'll be kind

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of like this kind of buddy buddy kind of lovable

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cast of characters and then all of a sudden extreme

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violence or stuff breaks out and it kind of just

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it keeps you on your toes and then it'll suddenly

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shift to this really serene really cool like

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moon dance sequence that's like i don't know

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it does a really good job okay of flipping and

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shifting shifting through tones and okay kind

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of taps into why this kind of cyberpunk setting

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is so interesting to people i feel like yeah

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it's kind of you know retroactively revitalized

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interest in what used to be a pretty busted game

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so it's kind of a cool story what used to be

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a busted game yeah okay okay interesting um i

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gotta say like i had minor interest in the game

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and then when everything was going wrong and

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everything like that um because i do like the

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idea of this world and everything yeah This might

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be the way to get in. Yeah, and I think it did

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that for a lot of people. You do not need to

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play the game to watch this show. I don't remember

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if Andre mentioned it, but, like, around the

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same time that the show came out, the game was

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put on sale for $30. That's what you were saying,

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yeah. So, yeah, sorry. I knew what they were

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doing. Exactly. They were very aware that, like,

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oh, this would be a really good time to make

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it more affordable, and it worked. And they've

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gone through this before because, you know, obviously

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they kind of had the same brain synergy with

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the Witcher Netflix show because the same studio,

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same game studio worked on the Witcher video

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games, right? Yeah. three saw its peak player

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count after the netflix show came out by that

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point witcher three was like a five -year -old

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game right and didn't they release a like uh

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i'm not i'm they released they released some

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like in -game items from the netflix show like

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you can basically wear the henry cavill like

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gerald outfit in which really Yes. I was going

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to say, there was extra DLC on there. Yes. They've

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also done the same thing with Edgerunners. You

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can get David Martinez's, like, coat in Cyberpunk

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2077 now. Yeah. Everything's connected. Exactly.

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No, they know, like, CD Projekt Red has kind

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of seen the dollar signs on this one, and so

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now Cyberpunk has had its highest player count

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on Steam, which is insane. That is pretty crazy.

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Yeah. I would say definitely check out the anime,

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I would say. Start with the opening. I agree

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with Andre. That's a great place to start to

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kind of get a sense of what you're about to watch.

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And I mean, Franz Ferdinand. Yeah, exactly. And,

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you know, I would say two episodes, give it two

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episodes before you're like, is this for me?

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This is not for me. That's always what you gotta

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do with TV. Yeah, you gotta be a little generous.

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Exactly. You can't just run on the pilot because

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they have so much information to dump on you.

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Yes. If you give it one episode, you're going

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to hate every TV show ever, except for maybe

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like one or two. Yep. I will say that like they

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definitely like lead into like the made up slang

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for cyberpunk, you know, like I called you a

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choom, which is like basically like the word

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for buddy, pal. yeah yeah yeah but like they

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will just throw out these words and you'll just

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have to be like i don't know what that means

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but yeah they call it super nova and preem just

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means cool like preem is like premium like oh

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like preem ride dude like oh man that's so nova

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like they will just say that and i love how corny

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it is because it is very like it's very earnest

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and it's and it's like mike looks like he's very

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paid right now stop trying to make fetch happen

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it's not going to happen they but they sell it

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though they sell yeah So, yeah, it's a fun show

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right now. I mean, I don't I don't want to give

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it a definitive rating because we haven't finished

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yet. It could dive in the latter half. But right

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now that is it is a solid four net runners out

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of five. Nice. Wow. I agree with that. OK. Jill,

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you have a new movie for us. You know, 29 years

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after it came onto the scene in the summer of

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1993, at long last, the fans can rejoice because

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Hocus Pocus 2 has landed on Disney+. Yay! And

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it's, you know, I'll just start it off. It is

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exactly what you think it's going to be on the

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tin. I appreciate that this movie. did not try

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to play fast and loose with what it was going

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to do with the plot it knew that they had the

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original sanderson sisters back that middler

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sorry could jessica parker and cavine genie and

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they put them right up front this movie does

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not waste time getting them back from the dead

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i mean the tagline is we're back witches yep

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basically um so yeah like there's there's all

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there's There's only so much I can say because

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I don't want to spoil too much of the plot. Bro,

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I mean, I feel like the plot was just like...

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Yeah, but that's the other side of the coin here

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is I don't want to spoil the plot, but there's

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also not a lot of plot. Yeah, I will say I saw

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the last half of it and I felt like I... The

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last half, I got home while Claire was watching

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it, just jumped in and said basically, okay,

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cool, I know what's happening. Yeah. Sanderson

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sisters are back. Yeah, the Sanderson sisters

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are brought back. The movie actually does a great

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job with its opening because it starts in the

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past. Allegedly 10 years before Thackeray banks

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in his sister. died slash turned into a cat um

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i don't know if i believe that but yeah right

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i don't want you to think that winifred was only

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26 yeah if you do that wait wait hold on hold

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on when it wait i'm sorry when did um when did

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uh the thackery banks get get killed 18 uh not

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18 16 93 or something okay okay i have an agenda

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to make i apparently okay you are very upset

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about this i i know i apparently probably misread

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it i'm looking at the wikipedia article now the

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the opening intro for hocus pocus 2 is in 1653

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so that's 40 years difference that makes much

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more sense okay that makes way more sense because

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you're like wait this it starts in 18 in 1686

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so she was only bett midler allegedly in 1993

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26 years old big wink right there yeah So it

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starts, the film starts with actually focusing

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on the young Sanderson sisters. And when I say

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young, I mean like teenagers. They're supposed

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to be 16, I believe. Yeah, they're supposed to

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be 16 if they're all actually the same age. And

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we get to find out how they became witches. And

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the reason that they became witches is because

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everybody's favorite soccer club owner, Hannah

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Wenningham. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was just

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like, wait, there's soccer in this. UFC Richmond.

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All right. Yeah. AFC Richmond. AFC Richmond.

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Yep. Existed in Salem. Yep. Yeah. All right.

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She is the quote unquote mother, which she gives

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them. She gives them book. Good old book. And

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that is how they become. Nice. You gotta have

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the octave change. I just gotta make sure I had

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that recorded right, because I was interrupting

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for a second. No worries. So, like I said, she

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gives them the book, That's How They Become Witches,

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and then it jumps forward to present day, and

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we meet our new main characters. They're three

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high school girls. It's one of them's 16th birthday.

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They have a ritual where they go off to the woods,

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and they do a little circle and some Wiccan pagan

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things, but one of them has a new boyfriend,

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so there's some... divisions there. And you kind

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of can guess where the plot goes and how the

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Sanderson sisters get brought back. Orgy. What?

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What? Yeah, that one. Yep. What? Nope, you're

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correct. What? What? What? Who said orgy? Orgy.

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Oh, that's what you said. Yeah, totally. In a

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Disney movie. In a Disney movie. And like I said,

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the movie, within the first 15 minutes, the Sanderson

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sisters are back. They're singing. They're doing

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a whole bunch of callbacks to the original movie.

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They do the book joke with the sing -song call

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for it multiple times because they know exactly

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what they had. Yeah, I got that one. And the

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rest of the movie is the girls trying to run

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away from the Sanderson sisters. The Sanderson

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sisters trying to accomplish what their goals

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are. I appreciate that this is not a complete

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retread of the original film. They got Doug Jones

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back as Billy Peterson. Yes. And he and Sam Richardson,

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who plays the character Gilbert, if you've seen

00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.779
the after party on Apple TV, he played Mike and

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Dave need wedding dates. Oh, he's in that. Yeah.

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He's the husband. Oh, I've never actually seen

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that, but I really liked him in the after party.

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So I was very happy to see him in things. Yeah.

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Anyway. He is very good, and I saw him in it,

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and I was like, oh, okay, cool, yeah. Oh, he's

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going to be in the new Velma show. He's going

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to be shaggy. Yes, he is. He's going to be shaggy?

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Yeah, he's going to be shaggy. It wasn't me,

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man. Oh, aren't they calling him by his dead

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name, Norville, in that show? Norville, probably.

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I'm a little stuck by that. I'm really worried

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about that show. Well, like, Scooby's not even

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in it, they said. Yeah, they said that they couldn't

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get him. That's not my problem and everything.

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I feel like they're checking so many boxes. They

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have a black Shaggy, they have Velma's a lesbian,

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they have, you know, and it's just... Daphne

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also might be bi. Okay, yeah, but I just feel

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like they're checking boxes for checking boxes,

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not actually, like, doing justice to the character.

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mini kaling yeah we'll see it'll probably be

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funny like i'm just the thing that i may raise

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is my umbrella it's like we're gonna do a scooby

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-doo show but like i don't know we couldn't fit

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the dog in there like that's the part that's

00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:05.119
raising we don't have the budget like okay like

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what are we doing here then like what what's

00:21:06.700 --> 00:21:08.759
what do you got here you know like it would be

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like i don't know whatever we're so off topic

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guys i can't wait until simu lu is playing fred

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jones That would be awesome. That would be amazing.

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That would make my day, actually. So as I was

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saying before we got off the Velma sidetrack

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here, Sam Richardson is in there. He plays a

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magic shop owner named Gilbert. He and Doug Jones

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is Billy Butcherson. They have a cute little

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subplot that I loved. They would be good in a

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buddy comedy. Those two were kind of fun together.

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The most disappointing thing to me is the way

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that this movie looked. And it's a combination

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of two things. One, they had this weird -ass

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filter on this movie the entire time to give

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it an aesthetic. It looked like a filter you

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could add on from Instagram. And then the other

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thing is that it looks like a Disney Channel

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original movie, not a movie movie. I'm not expecting

00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.500
it to look like War of the Rings, but it looks

00:22:08.500 --> 00:22:10.960
like a made -for -TV movie. Does the first one

00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.400
look like that, too, though? No, that one looks...

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Like a film. Yeah. Right. And it was also shot

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on film. So. Right. Yeah. There's that. It's

00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:21.240
not like the first one has like these amazing

00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.299
special effects, but no, I mean, like it is,

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Jill absolutely hits a nail on the head. This

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is like the classic, like straight to streaming

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budget kind of cinematography that you kind of

00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:31.200
know it's like, okay, this was kind of made on

00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.660
the cheap. But like, you know, if you're showing

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up to this movie because you have fond memories

00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.079
of Hocus Pocus, the first one, the first Hocus

00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:41.319
Pocus, you're going to have a fun time. I think

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you're going to walk out of it. probably feeling

00:22:43.829 --> 00:22:46.509
like you don't need to see it again yeah um i

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know this does not like i'm happy it exists good

00:22:49.190 --> 00:22:51.950
for all the actresses coming back and you know

00:22:51.950 --> 00:22:54.210
especially from like seeing sarah sarah jessica

00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:55.970
parker like actually look like she was having

00:22:55.970 --> 00:22:58.910
a good time yeah right a thing i didn't know

00:22:58.910 --> 00:23:02.809
i needed um so it's nice to see that but it doesn't

00:23:02.809 --> 00:23:05.690
it's not replacing the first one i still have

00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:08.160
that I don't think I'll come back to this because

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I need the next chapter. On the other hand, if

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you did not grow up watching Hocus Pocus and

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this is your first entry point, I think you could

00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:18.960
just jump in here and it'd be fine. You would,

00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.599
things would go over your head. So you wouldn't

00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:21.980
understand what these callbacks are, but they're

00:23:21.980 --> 00:23:25.819
subtle enough. Yeah. And then I don't, don't

00:23:25.819 --> 00:23:27.500
quote me on this because it might not happen.

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The film. Could spin off into another franchise

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that has nothing to do with the Sanderson sisters,

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but more on the three present day characters

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because of how their story goes. And I mean,

00:23:43.490 --> 00:23:48.329
spooky things are in Disney. Disney Plus is going

00:23:48.329 --> 00:23:50.470
to have a Goosebumps series somewhere down the

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line. People like scary things. We're having

00:23:54.809 --> 00:23:57.150
that revival. Like, give me my, are you afraid

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of the dark? The story, the stories that they

00:24:01.299 --> 00:24:03.099
could tell with these present day characters,

00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:06.940
these girls, there's a hole in their programming

00:24:06.940 --> 00:24:09.200
for something like this that would slot in very,

00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:12.980
very nicely. I don't know if that's what they

00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:14.980
were thinking or if this was an indirect backdoor

00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:18.390
pilot for that series. Right. All three of the

00:24:18.390 --> 00:24:20.450
Sanderson sisters' actresses have said that they

00:24:20.450 --> 00:24:22.250
would come back for a third one if they could

00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:24.970
make it work. Oh, interesting. Okay. They like

00:24:24.970 --> 00:24:28.490
to do this. Yeah. But it's not a hard requirement

00:24:28.490 --> 00:24:31.650
for them. Right. But, you know. It's a lot of

00:24:31.650 --> 00:24:33.289
makeup and stuff, but other than that, I mean.

00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:35.670
Yeah, no, as in it's like they don't need to

00:24:35.670 --> 00:24:38.250
be brought back with a lot of money to do it.

00:24:38.289 --> 00:24:40.289
I think they like being these characters enough

00:24:40.289 --> 00:24:42.630
that if they had a good script in their hands

00:24:42.630 --> 00:24:46.500
that justified why they were in it. they they

00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:49.380
probably would be game and it is a game i see

00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:53.019
what you did there uh it is a good like character

00:24:53.019 --> 00:24:56.420
too like all three of them i say a character

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because i really have them as one real character

00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.380
like they all have their different personalities

00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:04.759
and everything but as the sanderson sisters it's

00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:09.900
not as winning as you know like yeah it's the

00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:13.349
unit is a character yeah And I will say that

00:25:13.349 --> 00:25:16.049
this film does a good job of kind of giving Sarah

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and Mary, Sarah, Jessica Parker and Kathy Nijini,

00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:22.549
respectively, a little bit more to do and flesh

00:25:22.549 --> 00:25:25.470
them out a bit. Yeah. But, you know, I also could

00:25:25.470 --> 00:25:27.910
just very much see Disney execs looking at the

00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:30.210
film and saying like, hey, those three present

00:25:30.210 --> 00:25:33.190
day girls, Becca, Izzy and Kathy, I could see

00:25:33.190 --> 00:25:36.589
stories. I see those dollar signs. So time will

00:25:36.589 --> 00:25:40.410
tell on that one. Yeah, exactly. But, you know,

00:25:40.490 --> 00:25:43.160
I don't know. This was not. Almost two hours

00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:47.039
that I regret. I'm happy I've seen it. We're

00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:48.980
still going to watch the original one this Halloween.

00:25:49.299 --> 00:25:52.359
At the end of the day, was I upset this movie

00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.180
exists? No. Do I ever want to see it again? also

00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:59.859
know yeah yeah i'll close by saying that this

00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:01.900
while they didn't there was some callbacks i

00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:04.940
wish they did do they did keep some of that like

00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:07.240
adult humor that was littered throughout the

00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.440
first one that is not raunchy is the right word

00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.519
but not as like pushing the envelope like the

00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:17.839
way that it was pretty funny yeah yeah the humor

00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:23.259
in this was still Pretty good. I got a couple

00:26:23.259 --> 00:26:27.799
laughs out of me. So the orgy did not happen

00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.359
because they needed a virgin. That's the reason.

00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:34.599
Otherwise, you know, it's the Black Flame, you

00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.960
know? Yeah, exactly. When do they go to Halloween

00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.420
Town? When does that happen? Halloween Town 5?

00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:44.799
yeah because they've really been that many jesus

00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.099
yeah because there's halloween town one two and

00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:48.779
then they had the one the third one which is

00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:50.619
where the last one that had the main original

00:26:50.619 --> 00:26:53.339
actress she brings the kids from halloween town

00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:55.900
to the human world and then halloween town four

00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:58.059
is a completely different actress who goes to

00:26:58.059 --> 00:27:01.440
college okay that's what you do and that's just

00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:08.720
bad although um uh not angel lansbury um maybe

00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.819
it was angel no no not angel lansbury debbie

00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:17.599
reynolds yeah debbie reynolds um was uh in the

00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.660
original two and then possibly no and she's in

00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:25.740
the third one okay it's not she's not in it but

00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:28.599
um oh she is in it yep because i'm looking at

00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.000
the return to halloween town poster right now

00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:36.660
horrible logo um anyway i i just ends in college

00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:39.920
it's bad don't watch the last two watch the first

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.680
two I just immediately think of Nightmare Before

00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.079
Christmas when you say Halloween Town. Like,

00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:45.680
I'm just thinking it's the Kingdom Hearts level

00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.619
or whatever, you know? The Kingdom Hearts level.

00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.019
Did you realize there was a movie, right? Yes,

00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:52.680
of course. The Halloween Town 2 plot, basically.

00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.900
Yeah, right. Yeah, that's true. So, yeah. On

00:27:56.900 --> 00:28:01.720
an out of five, I will give Hocus Pocus to three

00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.599
out of five Roombas. Okay, Roombas. I got how

00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.519
you get there. All right. Well, we've got one

00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.599
more movie to discuss. We are going to take a

00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.279
quick break, though, because we have to get those

00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.519
breaks in. So we're going to take a quick break

00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.359
and come back on the other side with another

00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.779
movie. I'll see you then. And we're back with

00:28:19.779 --> 00:28:22.039
Game for a Movie. We've got one more movie to

00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.160
discuss. It is Spooky Season. And if you didn't

00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.740
know, I have been watching iconic horror characters.

00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:31.279
I had you guys vote. This is what I've been watching.

00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.559
I've been putting it on our letterboxd. We do

00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.079
have a letterboxd, guys. I don't know if I ever

00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.829
told you that. Yeah, I can get you to log in

00:28:38.829 --> 00:28:40.750
for that if you need. So you can start reviewing

00:28:40.750 --> 00:28:43.289
on there, too, if you that would be a good call.

00:28:43.470 --> 00:28:46.250
Yeah. Yeah. If you ever feel any interest. So

00:28:46.250 --> 00:28:50.069
I'll send that stuff your way. So iconic horror

00:28:50.069 --> 00:28:52.430
characters. So I kind of thought, OK, what can

00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:54.549
I watch that's kind of newer that has an iconic

00:28:54.549 --> 00:28:58.470
horror character? Hellraiser just came out on

00:28:58.470 --> 00:29:02.309
Hulu as of Friday, I believe, which, yeah, was

00:29:02.309 --> 00:29:05.430
yesterday as of this recording. So I watched

00:29:05.430 --> 00:29:10.609
it day one. Wow. Okay. Hellraiser, if you don't

00:29:10.609 --> 00:29:12.529
know, is a series that has been going on way

00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:17.589
too long. Ouch. Well, it has. The first one was

00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.630
like mid -80s, right? Yeah, the first movie was

00:29:20.630 --> 00:29:24.809
87, I believe. If I remember correctly. A story

00:29:24.809 --> 00:29:30.009
based off of Clive Barker. Yep, exactly. Yes,

00:29:30.009 --> 00:29:34.089
the first one was 87. This series, if you're

00:29:34.089 --> 00:29:36.289
familiar with it, Lots of deformity, lots of

00:29:36.289 --> 00:29:41.410
blood, lots of body horror. Exactly. Especially

00:29:41.410 --> 00:29:46.250
with characters like Pinhead. Pinhead. Chatterbox.

00:29:47.069 --> 00:29:50.210
Chatterbox. I can't remember what the woman one

00:29:50.210 --> 00:29:53.309
is called. I'm trying to remember as well. And

00:29:53.309 --> 00:29:55.529
you can't say the woman one anymore because this

00:29:55.529 --> 00:30:00.410
is a change for Pinhead. Pinhead was played by

00:30:00.410 --> 00:30:02.430
a woman this time. Gender swapped. I like that.

00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:07.289
Yes. The Weeper. and the gasp and the sphix are

00:30:07.289 --> 00:30:10.490
the other ones that i can see here sorry chatterbox

00:30:10.490 --> 00:30:12.650
is actually the chattering but i call him chatterbox

00:30:12.650 --> 00:30:16.309
there's also butterball butterball yes butterball

00:30:16.309 --> 00:30:18.670
butterball is not in this one actually according

00:30:18.670 --> 00:30:20.890
to oh sorry i thought you meant the first the

00:30:20.890 --> 00:30:23.390
original the first one yes no butterball in this

00:30:23.390 --> 00:30:31.309
one yeah so um it's funny as well because this

00:30:31.309 --> 00:30:34.640
year was the first time I ever watched a single

00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.420
Hellraiser movie. Really? I had never seen it

00:30:37.420 --> 00:30:39.759
before. I still haven't seen any Hellraisers.

00:30:39.779 --> 00:30:43.400
The first? Okay, I like the first two. The second

00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.319
one is actually better than the first one, in

00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.779
my opinion, and I think both were great. If you

00:30:49.779 --> 00:30:52.619
have time, well worth the watch. Of course, it's

00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:55.000
older, so you don't expect the most amazing.

00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.240
Oh my god, there's 11 of these goddamn movies.

00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.720
I told you it's been going on way too long. put

00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.960
it on the directed vhs circuit yeah exactly yes

00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.259
yeah there there are a ton of these um so this

00:31:08.259 --> 00:31:12.799
is a complete rebrand of the series um it's a

00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.759
different director it's still based on clive

00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.940
barker and you can definitely tell there's some

00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:21.960
love um it's not like it's uh sorry i'm also

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.519
looking up the movies because i just want to

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.519
see how many yeah uh hellraiser judgment was

00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.079
the last one in 2018 oh my god Hellraiser Hellworld.

00:31:30.220 --> 00:31:34.900
I remember seeing an ad for that on like another

00:31:34.900 --> 00:31:40.420
DVD I had and it looked miserable. Jesus, they

00:31:40.420 --> 00:31:43.019
put out two in one year. Yeah, exactly. Hellraiser

00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:45.140
Deader and Hellraiser Hellworld were released

00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:47.539
in the same year. They named it Deader. Deader.

00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:52.200
More dead. More dead. Dead harder. I mean, they

00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.029
were probably very cheap to make. Yes. After

00:31:55.029 --> 00:31:57.890
a certain point. Oh, I'm sure. And I mean, what

00:31:57.890 --> 00:32:00.190
you can see from these, besides like the costumes

00:32:00.190 --> 00:32:03.670
and stuff like that, or like the look, it is

00:32:03.670 --> 00:32:05.589
very cheap. The original was made for $1 million.

00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:08.809
That is so inexpensive. I can't believe that.

00:32:09.049 --> 00:32:12.490
Which one? The original, the 1987 one was made

00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:17.769
for $1 million. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. You're good.

00:32:17.849 --> 00:32:19.829
So if you don't know anything about Hellraiser,

00:32:19.950 --> 00:32:23.269
basically there's always a puzzle box. And if

00:32:23.269 --> 00:32:25.769
you solve this puzzle box, you bring the Cenobites

00:32:25.769 --> 00:32:29.690
to Earth. The Cenobites are those characters

00:32:29.690 --> 00:32:32.549
that look deformed, like they're missing skin

00:32:32.549 --> 00:32:34.789
in places. And then, of course, there's the leader

00:32:34.789 --> 00:32:38.609
of the Cenobites, Pinhead, which I actually think

00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:42.390
in this movie they called her the priest. That's

00:32:42.390 --> 00:32:47.130
a twist. Yeah. So I don't know if they're I'm

00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:50.779
for it because hearing the name Pinhead. doesn't

00:32:50.779 --> 00:32:55.960
bring any fear into my heart. But basically the

00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.880
main part of this, there's a, there's two real

00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:03.579
parts to it. So the beginning, there's this guy

00:33:03.579 --> 00:33:08.880
Voight who sends his secretary to pick up the

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.660
puzzle box. And basically what Voight is doing

00:33:11.660 --> 00:33:16.319
is sacrificing people so that if, if you sacrifice,

00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:21.359
I think it's seven people, you, get a reward

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:28.940
is what the idea is the rewards are um i don't

00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:30.980
remember all of them but the the two big ones

00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:34.960
to remember are resurrection and leviathan okay

00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:43.720
um basically voight gets to gets to this reward

00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.660
and then he disappears for the other half of

00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:52.609
the movie um He does come back later and through

00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:56.569
happenstance and everything like that. So now

00:33:56.569 --> 00:33:58.769
it's kind of flash forward a little bit. And

00:33:58.769 --> 00:34:02.109
this girl, Riley, who is a recovering drug addict,

00:34:02.230 --> 00:34:07.490
because of course, she finds the puzzle box.

00:34:08.329 --> 00:34:12.070
And her boyfriend, Trevor, is the one that kind

00:34:12.070 --> 00:34:15.210
of put her on this path and everything. And she

00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:18.610
realizes as she solves the puzzle box, this blade

00:34:18.610 --> 00:34:21.530
keeps popping up in the blade. Once it gets your

00:34:21.530 --> 00:34:26.989
blood, you're the target for the center. So at

00:34:26.989 --> 00:34:30.030
first she doesn't think anything of it. And her

00:34:30.030 --> 00:34:34.230
brother accidentally cuts his hand and he disappears

00:34:34.230 --> 00:34:36.650
without her knowing what's happening because

00:34:36.650 --> 00:34:38.429
she was on a drug trip. She doesn't remember

00:34:38.429 --> 00:34:45.699
anything. then it gets to other points so basically

00:34:45.699 --> 00:34:49.440
she keeps solving the puzzle box it changes form

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.840
and gets the next victim next victim next victim

00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.460
um whoever gets the blood and everything and

00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:01.619
trying to figure out she wants to get to the

00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:04.340
reward when she finds out about it so that she

00:35:04.340 --> 00:35:06.940
can resurrect her brother but how does she do

00:35:06.940 --> 00:35:08.960
that without killing somebody or how does she

00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.239
do that without hurting anybody That's the whole

00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.699
point of it. I highly recommend checking it out.

00:35:16.659 --> 00:35:19.920
I'm just laying the bare bones. There's a lot

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.880
more that happens in it. So I highly recommend

00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.840
it. I think David Bruckner is the director. And

00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.420
then one of the writers. So the writers are Ben

00:35:32.420 --> 00:35:36.159
Collins, Luke Pietrowski, and David S. Goyer.

00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:38.739
David S. Goyer is the one I wanted to talk about.

00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.960
He's written. for uh dark city was one of his

00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.719
writings and batman begins and the dark knight

00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:48.699
and probably the dark knight rises too but it's

00:35:48.699 --> 00:35:53.900
not in his top four um he also has written for

00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:57.280
guillermo del toro's cabinet of curiosities uh

00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.699
he wrote for the sandman and he uh was the creator

00:36:00.699 --> 00:36:04.719
of that show as well and so it's i'm just keep

00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.389
naming all these things because It's very obvious

00:36:08.389 --> 00:36:11.849
his pull on this. He's very like dark, supernatural,

00:36:12.150 --> 00:36:16.110
that kind of stuff. So this very much makes sense.

00:36:17.130 --> 00:36:19.389
The two things I wanted to talk about most with

00:36:19.389 --> 00:36:24.250
this is the gender swap. They don't address it

00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:27.650
at all, which is great. It's a whole different

00:36:27.650 --> 00:36:31.429
world. Pinhead has always been a woman in this

00:36:31.429 --> 00:36:33.769
world. Okay, got it. So there's no, like, but

00:36:33.769 --> 00:36:36.429
there's no, like, canon, like, comedy, whatever.

00:36:36.630 --> 00:36:38.710
This is just a totally new... Yeah, in the original

00:36:38.710 --> 00:36:41.469
series, there is, like, an explanation as to

00:36:41.469 --> 00:36:44.630
how Pinhead became Pinhead. Yeah. But this seems

00:36:44.630 --> 00:36:47.329
like if, like, I'm guessing she looks like Pinhead,

00:36:47.409 --> 00:36:49.510
but it might, you said she's called the Priest.

00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:51.349
The Priest, yeah. So she might just be a whole

00:36:51.349 --> 00:36:53.230
other character that also happens to have the

00:36:53.230 --> 00:36:55.929
pins in there, because that is an iconic component

00:36:55.929 --> 00:36:58.909
of the Hellraiser, visually, franchise. Yeah.

00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:02.019
And, like, the... You got the chatterer. You

00:37:02.019 --> 00:37:04.420
got like everybody's still the same except for

00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:07.679
Butterball's not in it. Yeah, right. Exactly.

00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.019
But you still see all of them and everything.

00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.059
And like they do say the line, greater delights

00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:17.619
await. We wish to see you proceed. You know that.

00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.800
Do they say lament configuration? I believe so.

00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.920
Yes, that sounds right. They do definitely say

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.199
a lot of configuration quotes because they call

00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:33.139
it the reward. leviathan configuration or the

00:37:33.139 --> 00:37:37.599
um resurrection configuration um and the box

00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.699
does all these different configurations as well

00:37:39.699 --> 00:37:41.199
you have to get through all the configurations

00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:46.920
to get to your reward um it's very interesting

00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.739
um and then the other thing i wanted to say is

00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:53.539
going back to this check boxes thing the brother

00:37:53.539 --> 00:37:57.300
and the other main character colin are gay lovers

00:37:57.300 --> 00:38:01.840
oh but I do not feel like it was a checkbox.

00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:05.239
I don't feel like it was. Didn't seem forced.

00:38:05.420 --> 00:38:07.400
It didn't seem forced. Exactly. It's just part

00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.260
of the story. Exactly. And it gave another person

00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:13.639
to care about Matt's, the brother's name. It

00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.400
gave another character to care about Matt. So

00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.059
Colin was willing to go with Riley through a

00:38:19.059 --> 00:38:22.119
lot of this. Colin's the gay lover, was willing

00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.179
to go with Riley for a lot of this because she

00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:28.210
said we can resurrect him. and so i like that

00:38:28.210 --> 00:38:31.130
because truly it did not feel like oh we're just

00:38:31.130 --> 00:38:32.929
throwing this in there because you know everybody

00:38:32.929 --> 00:38:35.469
loves the gay agenda now and that kind of sure

00:38:35.469 --> 00:38:38.750
sure you know and i hate to say that but that's

00:38:38.750 --> 00:38:42.610
kind of what movies do um but this one didn't

00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:47.179
feel forced and so yeah um I have a question

00:38:47.179 --> 00:38:49.800
about the visuals. Was there a lot of practical

00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.699
effects used in this? Yes, 100%. It's a hallmark

00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:56.059
of the originals. Exactly, yes. It is a ton of

00:38:56.059 --> 00:38:59.179
practical effects. There's not very much CGI.

00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.480
Yeah, it was very well done. I actually really

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.659
enjoyed it. Comparing it, because again, all

00:39:08.659 --> 00:39:10.659
I've seen is Hellraiser, Hellraiser 2, and then

00:39:10.659 --> 00:39:15.360
this one, Hellraiser 2022. I would say this is

00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.760
above the original for me. That's being said

00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.460
that Hellraiser 2 was better than Hellraiser

00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:25.840
1. I would say, but all three are great. I highly

00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.679
recommend any of them. This one, it has some

00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.900
lulls, so I don't want to hold against it, but

00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:35.400
there are some lulls where it's just kind of

00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.300
like, okay, why isn't anybody doing anything?

00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.599
Just kill the people. You're monologuing. Stop

00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.409
it. get on with it exactly um but there's plenty

00:39:47.409 --> 00:39:52.789
of cannon fodder there's plenty of um centibites

00:39:52.789 --> 00:39:57.610
um yeah so i really enjoyed it um i would say

00:39:57.610 --> 00:40:01.710
probably i'll go three and a half out of five

00:40:01.710 --> 00:40:04.949
configurations cool there you go on the spooky

00:40:04.949 --> 00:40:07.989
scale like how scary is it like nah nah Really?

00:40:08.329 --> 00:40:10.889
Yeah, the original's not even that scary. I have

00:40:10.889 --> 00:40:12.829
no reference. Like, I don't know. It didn't sound

00:40:12.829 --> 00:40:14.409
like it was a jump scare fest. It was just more

00:40:14.409 --> 00:40:16.050
of, like, a creepy vibe, you know? It's graphic.

00:40:16.389 --> 00:40:18.369
It's creepy and it's gory, yeah. Gory, okay,

00:40:18.449 --> 00:40:20.550
yeah. Yeah, and I won't even say, like, it's

00:40:20.550 --> 00:40:22.329
not even creepy in the fact that I watched this

00:40:22.329 --> 00:40:24.269
at 2 in the morning. I didn't have any problems

00:40:24.269 --> 00:40:26.030
going to sleep, you know? Oh, sure, sure, sure.

00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:28.570
But, like, you know, yeah. Yeah, it's not like

00:40:28.570 --> 00:40:31.670
that. Yeah, exactly. It's not going to keep you

00:40:31.670 --> 00:40:35.909
up at night. It says horror, mystery, thriller.

00:40:36.460 --> 00:40:39.940
on the imdb page i would say more so mystery

00:40:39.940 --> 00:40:43.619
thriller yeah really yeah because horror i mean

00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:45.960
they're definitely horror elements don't get

00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:47.780
me wrong i'm not gonna say it's not a horror

00:40:47.780 --> 00:40:51.320
movie but it's really more of a thriller in my

00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.880
mind than anything else because they lay out

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.780
everything you know exactly what they need to

00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:01.679
do and it's just a matter of does this person

00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.000
survive or does this person not survive pretty

00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.829
much yeah you know and that's every horror movie

00:41:06.829 --> 00:41:11.269
ever, but it's thriller more so. And the fact

00:41:11.269 --> 00:41:14.090
that they get into situations that are not that

00:41:14.090 --> 00:41:21.429
scary, but you know, are creepy. Trevor and Riley

00:41:21.429 --> 00:41:24.730
are pinned down at one point up against like

00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:28.309
this gate and the chatterer is there just. Yeah.

00:41:28.409 --> 00:41:30.389
With the teeth. Yeah. With the teeth and like

00:41:30.389 --> 00:41:32.789
trying to like bite at them and get through and

00:41:32.789 --> 00:41:35.590
everything. And that it's not scary. It's just,

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.940
Okay, what's going to happen? Don't get them,

00:41:38.980 --> 00:41:44.099
don't get them. Yeah, so. Yeah. I think the original

00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:46.840
is worth seeing for those who are listening who

00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.039
have not seen it. Just, you know, if you have,

00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:53.800
if you have a, if your stomach is not one for

00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:58.219
gore and body horror, neither of these is going

00:41:58.219 --> 00:42:01.300
to change your mind on that. But I agree with

00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:05.599
Mike, they're not scary, they're just unsettling

00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:10.639
yes in in the way that um i was gonna say like

00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:12.500
saw because i don't think saws are scared saw

00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:15.039
is a scary franchise no it's very yeah i would

00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.780
agree with that i they find themselves in traps

00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:21.599
and they have to do self -harm mutilation to

00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.780
get out yeah those are going to be gory yeah

00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:26.059
so i would i would agree with that it's a it's

00:42:26.059 --> 00:42:29.119
a good comparison yeah the first one is so hokey

00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:33.300
though like this yeah yeah uncle frank anybody

00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.659
Oh, my God, the Blood Frank. That's so gross.

00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.460
It is. It is very gross. Blood Frank is one of

00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:42.159
my favorite characters, though, from the whole

00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:46.699
series that I've seen. Yeah, he's creepy. I like

00:42:46.699 --> 00:42:52.280
her stepmother. Okay, yeah. The other villain

00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.820
character that's not a Cenobite. Yeah, and there

00:42:55.820 --> 00:42:59.699
are other villains in this besides the Cenobites.

00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.639
And I think that's always been the point of these

00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.869
series. The Cenobites are going to do their thing

00:43:06.869 --> 00:43:09.630
and everything like that, but they are essentially

00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:12.530
controlled by the puzzle box and blood. There

00:43:12.530 --> 00:43:15.130
needs to be somebody really pulling the strings

00:43:15.130 --> 00:43:25.250
to make them out. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. But

00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:27.769
yeah, I thought it was very good. I was happy

00:43:27.769 --> 00:43:30.969
with it. I would probably watch more if they

00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:34.789
made another one. um they definitely could do

00:43:34.789 --> 00:43:36.750
something with it i don't know what but they

00:43:36.750 --> 00:43:40.610
could do something with it um yeah they left

00:43:40.610 --> 00:43:43.969
the door open so it's anything can happen plus

00:43:43.969 --> 00:43:46.710
there's a fun little scene where they make a

00:43:46.710 --> 00:43:49.110
centibite from scratch and you get to see that

00:43:49.110 --> 00:43:52.170
whole process oh it's it's gruesome but it's

00:43:52.170 --> 00:43:56.710
awesome actually so yeah keep that in mind yeah

00:43:56.710 --> 00:44:02.519
well i guess that's it isn't it I kind of want

00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.920
to talk about the Mario trailer. Oh, okay. Let's

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.119
talk about the Mario trailer. Just real quick.

00:44:08.659 --> 00:44:11.460
It was a teaser, so we don't really have much

00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:13.619
to talk about. It's the second best trailer of

00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:15.900
the day that was released that day. What was

00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:19.579
released that day? Violent Night, which I sent

00:44:19.579 --> 00:44:22.500
to you guys in the chat. I did not watch it.

00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.420
I'll be honest with you. Is it like Silent Night,

00:44:25.539 --> 00:44:30.059
the horror movie that they remade, but not? basically

00:44:30.059 --> 00:44:32.880
what there it is okay yeah uh basically what

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:38.179
this is is there is um these people led by john

00:44:38.179 --> 00:44:40.840
leguizamo for whatever reason they break into

00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.380
this house um to steal all their money because

00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:47.599
they're very rich uh and this little girl is

00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.420
talking with santa claus and just wants her family

00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:53.719
to be safe and because she's on the nice list

00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.010
santa claus obliges And it's David Harbour as

00:44:57.010 --> 00:44:59.710
Santa Claus. Oh, that's why he's Santa Claus.

00:44:59.989 --> 00:45:02.610
Yes. Oh, I didn't realize this was the movie.

00:45:02.929 --> 00:45:06.650
Yes. And it's like a killing spree. It's by the

00:45:06.650 --> 00:45:08.929
same people that did Bullet Train and John Wick.

00:45:09.090 --> 00:45:13.650
And Nobody. Which is the Bobby Kirk movie. Yeah.

00:45:13.929 --> 00:45:17.789
So it looks ridiculous. Yeah. It released the

00:45:17.789 --> 00:45:19.829
same day as the Mario trailer. And I was like,

00:45:19.909 --> 00:45:24.119
this is the trailer. Yeah, no, it looks fun.

00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.480
I will watch it with audio on once we're done

00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.699
with this podcast. You really don't need to.

00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:31.500
I mean, you can kind of. I know I'm getting it.

00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.219
I'm getting a pretty good vibe right now. Right.

00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:38.079
OK, this goddamn Mario trailer, guys. Like, what

00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.000
did you think about it? Thumbs up, thumbs down.

00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:45.380
I think it was a nice, steady thumbs up until,

00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.420
you know, the last 30 seconds when the man himself

00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:51.920
appeared. And then it kind of became the it's

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.900
just Chris Pratt. Yeah, it's just Chris Pratt.

00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.659
I don't want to gatekeep because I think gatekeeping

00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.460
is one of the shittiest things you can do. I

00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:01.840
think Mario is one of the most accessible IPs

00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:03.880
in the world. I'm not going to say you're not

00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.280
a true Mario fan. That's one of the dumbest sentences

00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.960
ever or whatever. I don't believe Chris Pratt

00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.440
actually played a lot of Mario growing up. I

00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.170
don't either. They had like a little for the,

00:46:15.190 --> 00:46:17.070
for context, they had like a little stinger with

00:46:17.070 --> 00:46:19.409
Jack Black and Chris Pratt, like just talking

00:46:19.409 --> 00:46:23.130
about the teaser and like Chris Pratt paused

00:46:23.130 --> 00:46:26.690
for just a bit too long of a beat when he said

00:46:26.690 --> 00:46:31.519
like, and I grew, I spent hours stomping. Koopas,

00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:33.880
you know what I mean? I feel like he was going

00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.059
to say Goombas and that's why he had to stop

00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:38.400
himself. Well, right, maybe. I don't know. I'm

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.019
just imagining somebody holding a key card behind

00:46:41.019 --> 00:46:46.119
his phone being like, it's Koopa! And he doesn't,

00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.539
again, you don't have to, whatever. We don't

00:46:49.539 --> 00:46:52.260
have much to work off of because he literally

00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:54.980
has one line of dialogue. Yeah, with the nature

00:46:54.980 --> 00:46:56.320
of these characters, you're going to have to

00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.980
lend a lot of your own persona to them because

00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:00.519
they don't usually talk. Hey, yo, it's me, Mario.

00:47:01.179 --> 00:47:04.559
Yeah, right. But, you know, that aside, it looks

00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.360
great. It does. Yeah, it looks nice. Yeah, who

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:11.639
knew Illumination, the people behind the Minions,

00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.820
actually had it in them to make a good -looking

00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:17.260
film? Yes. Because they don't, like, I... The

00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:21.739
Minions, once again. The Minions. I think they

00:47:21.739 --> 00:47:26.039
did. Maybe they don't do sing. The Grinch movie.

00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:33.440
They look good. This looks great. This is a level

00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:38.260
up. This looks like Disney money. I didn't even

00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:40.679
look it up. Sorry, I didn't even look it up.

00:47:40.900 --> 00:47:43.849
Yeah. But no, it looks great. Jack Black as Bowser

00:47:43.849 --> 00:47:46.110
is awesome. Dude, Jack Black's Bowser sounds

00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:48.289
great. Sounds great, and I know he's going to

00:47:48.289 --> 00:47:50.449
have a musical moment. I saw that somewhere.

00:47:50.789 --> 00:47:53.989
So I'm like, yeah, Tenacious B, let's go. I mean,

00:47:54.010 --> 00:47:55.969
again, only a few lines, but it sounded like

00:47:55.969 --> 00:47:57.869
a lot of, like he was having a lot of fun with

00:47:57.869 --> 00:48:01.329
it. They made Bowser's jawline look like Jack

00:48:01.329 --> 00:48:03.289
Black's in a weird way. You know what I mean?

00:48:03.329 --> 00:48:05.610
They did a good job with that. It's very, you

00:48:05.610 --> 00:48:07.769
can see Jack Black in the character. Exactly,

00:48:07.929 --> 00:48:10.610
yes, yes. And I'm here for that. That sounds

00:48:10.610 --> 00:48:12.820
like a lot of fun. He also only said, like, two

00:48:12.820 --> 00:48:14.639
lines, but I'm here for Keegan -Michael Key's

00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.099
Toad. Yeah, no, the Toad voice was good. I'm

00:48:18.099 --> 00:48:20.480
happy they did something to it to make it sound

00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.900
closer, like what Toad sounds like. I'm glad

00:48:22.900 --> 00:48:26.139
it's not just his voice, you know what I mean?

00:48:26.139 --> 00:48:27.320
That's what I was worried it was going to be.

00:48:27.699 --> 00:48:30.280
Okay, friends, what is the tagline for this movie?

00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.780
What do you mean, what's the tagline? Do we have

00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:38.179
one? Am I guessing it? Yeah, guessing it. Do

00:48:38.179 --> 00:48:40.610
you have it in front of you? Yes, I do. We're

00:48:40.610 --> 00:48:43.329
going to want something with one up. I don't

00:48:43.329 --> 00:48:49.170
know. Okay. That's hard. How do you market this?

00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:54.250
It's not let's go. That's too easy. It might

00:48:54.250 --> 00:49:07.230
be let's go. Yeah. I don't even know. Yeah. Is

00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:09.480
there a level up put in there? Please tell me.

00:49:09.619 --> 00:49:11.119
Okay, cool. There's something with the Power

00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.940
Star? Yeah. Okay, give me the tagline. Yeah,

00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:18.679
what is it? Let's -a -go! Is it actually? It's

00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.860
Let's -a -go! That's the tagline. Wow. Actually,

00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:25.960
they have two taglines written here. Let's -a

00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.300
-go and okie -dokie. Okie -dokie. Okay, that's

00:49:29.300 --> 00:49:32.579
funny. Thank you so much for watching my movie.

00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:36.940
Nintendo has obviously had a... a hand in making

00:49:36.940 --> 00:49:40.599
this this was not here's the rights do whatever

00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.760
um yeah i think nintendo is being absolutely

00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.760
draconian with this shit i'm sure they're gonna

00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.460
make sure that whatever the end product is even

00:49:48.460 --> 00:49:50.800
if it is not the greatest the best animated movie

00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:54.599
of the year yeah it's gonna at least honor mario

00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.099
i think like the night the the original this

00:49:57.099 --> 00:49:59.119
this movie was in production long before sonic

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.280
was even announced as a movie i think yeah but

00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.380
they are definitely looking at the success sonic

00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:06.639
wanted to had and that the in theaters they're

00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.440
like okay like that's the bar it's so it's interesting

00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.219
we can make a universe off of this so this one

00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:13.690
just needs a hit Yeah, well, because Nintendo

00:50:13.690 --> 00:50:15.849
has been kind of pretty famously, like, up until

00:50:15.849 --> 00:50:18.650
recent years, they've been pretty, like, very

00:50:18.650 --> 00:50:20.429
protective of their IPs. They don't do a lot

00:50:20.429 --> 00:50:22.809
of collaborations because of, obviously, the

00:50:22.809 --> 00:50:24.710
disaster that was the live -action Mario movie,

00:50:24.969 --> 00:50:27.929
Mario Bros. movie in the early 90s, and also

00:50:27.929 --> 00:50:30.929
the Philips CD -i, all those janky -ass, like,

00:50:30.949 --> 00:50:34.030
Zelda Mario games. That was them making a deal

00:50:34.030 --> 00:50:35.610
with Philips, and they just were like, okay.

00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:37.969
You gave us a shit ton of money, so we'll let

00:50:37.969 --> 00:50:39.889
you do whatever you want. And whatever they wanted

00:50:39.889 --> 00:50:42.250
was really bad garbage that is memed to this

00:50:42.250 --> 00:50:45.469
day. And it says black stain on those IPs. So

00:50:45.469 --> 00:50:47.690
that's why Nintendo, I'm sure, is very, very,

00:50:47.829 --> 00:50:50.590
very involved with this movie. And Jill, you

00:50:50.590 --> 00:50:52.929
suggested we watch the Super Mario Brothers movie.

00:50:53.150 --> 00:50:54.730
I did. I haven't seen it in a while. I'm really

00:50:54.730 --> 00:50:56.469
down for that, honestly. I've never seen it.

00:50:56.489 --> 00:50:58.690
I am too. I honestly think this is, yeah, let's

00:50:58.690 --> 00:51:01.559
do it. it's not good like i mean besides the

00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:03.460
fact you obviously know it's not good it's just

00:51:03.460 --> 00:51:06.440
my my most like the last time i watched it was

00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.440
in college and i would just say it's joyless

00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.699
yeah because it's such an insult to like what

00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:15.340
your original property is nobody nobody played

00:51:15.340 --> 00:51:17.400
the video game or maybe somebody played it one

00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.579
of the screen one of the many screenwriters played

00:51:19.579 --> 00:51:23.619
it for one day yeah and was like okay I've got

00:51:23.619 --> 00:51:26.679
this. We're going to take the Dinotopolis or

00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.179
whatever and make a thing. In fairness to them,

00:51:28.179 --> 00:51:30.219
this came out probably when Super Mario Bros.

00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.440
3 was out. We had a handful of NES games that

00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.260
were super popular, but it still wasn't the level

00:51:35.260 --> 00:51:37.420
of... There wasn't Mario Kart yet. There wasn't

00:51:37.420 --> 00:51:42.320
Mario Golf. I shared that in our group chat.

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:46.639
I shared an article. um from grantland .com it

00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.639
was written in 2013 it's by karina longworth

00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.980
oh karina longworth it's you must remember this

00:51:51.980 --> 00:51:54.599
it's the karina longworth she does a podcast

00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.280
you must remember this it's a great one in 2013

00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.860
she wrote an article called um hollywood archaeology

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:03.420
the super mario bros movie unearthing a major

00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:05.900
disaster to learn the lessons held within and

00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.460
In that article, she does a really great job

00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:13.480
of kind of tracking the, the, the thread line

00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:16.059
of how this movie was made. And again, and again,

00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.739
and again, what comes back to it always is they

00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.179
just didn't, it's either they didn't, besides

00:52:22.179 --> 00:52:24.280
the fact that they didn't know or understand

00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:29.139
what the IP was, they either did not care. Because

00:52:29.139 --> 00:52:32.900
it was a kids movie and all you need is kids

00:52:32.900 --> 00:52:35.420
to show up and it'll be a success, obviously,

00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:38.000
because kids have no opinions and can be entertained

00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.760
by a thing of jingling keys. Or they thought

00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.909
that they could improve. upon this ip by injecting

00:52:45.909 --> 00:52:49.329
it with things that are just so holy on mario

00:52:49.329 --> 00:52:54.210
and that would be enough to sate satiate the

00:52:54.210 --> 00:52:56.730
audiences because it would be not high class

00:52:56.730 --> 00:52:59.250
cinema per se but it would be something else

00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:02.650
yeah and it's just it's so misguided yeah and

00:53:02.650 --> 00:53:05.699
i like that the article posits that Because this

00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:08.400
movie came out two weeks before Jurassic Park.

00:53:08.780 --> 00:53:11.579
There could have been a timeline where Jurassic

00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:14.900
Park was the flop. and the super mario movie

00:53:14.900 --> 00:53:20.239
movie was the the blockbuster wow franchise instead

00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:22.960
of a game franchise yeah i know steven spielberg

00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.139
who what we could be playing the shitty movie

00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:27.360
adaptation a shitty video game adaptation of

00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.519
the mario brothers yeah with mario mario and

00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:33.980
mario wow holy shit that's wild oh we need to

00:53:33.980 --> 00:53:36.139
watch this we do all right i'm excited for it

00:53:36.139 --> 00:53:39.679
that's probably yeah okay that needs to happen

00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.079
yeah all right Well, friends, that'll do it for

00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:43.760
this episode of Game for a Movie. I've been your

00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.619
host, Mike. Joined by... It's -a me, Andre. It's

00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:51.900
-a me, Jill. I put more mustard on that than

00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:55.739
Chris Pratt did in the trailer. Hey, guys, I'm

00:53:55.739 --> 00:54:00.539
Chris Pratt. Game for a movie, here we come.

00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:02.920
Well, I was just going to say, we're about to

00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.030
leave, so here we go. Yeah, there you go. You

00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:08.829
should find like a little sound bite of like

00:54:08.829 --> 00:54:11.449
them hitting like the one up or something to

00:54:11.449 --> 00:54:13.369
put it like the stinger at the end of this podcast.

00:54:14.389 --> 00:54:18.130
Okie dokie. Okie dokie. All right. Bye, everybody.

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Bye.