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episode of Game for a Movie, where we ask are
you game for a movie? I am your host Mike, joined
by Andre, Jill, Mitchell, hi friends, we have
the whole group together, this is amazing. It's
been Zoom calls. It's been everything under the
sun, it felt like, for a little while. We did
Google Hangout. I was on your phone for a little
bit. Yes, it's true. I lived inside your phone.
Yes. Your search history is shocking. Yeah, I
know. I should have cleared that years ago. It's
nice to be all together again. It is. It is,
and not to have you looking at my search history.
In cognito mode, my friend. All right, all right.
That's fair. What are we drinking, though? I
am drinking the dogfish head pumpkin ale. Pumpkin.
Pumpkin. It's a little punky, yeah. Is it punky,
Brewster? Maybe, yeah. Okay, all right. And we're
on the spectrum of squash to pie. This is kind
of right smack dab in the middle. I feel like
that's a very bad answer, but it's pretty sweet.
It's like pumpkin pie, but you can tell there's
some... Squash to pie, I like that. Squash to
beer spectrum, although I did not create that.
It was inspired by a YouTuber who had a spectrum
a couple years ago on. How dare you. Oh, interesting.
It's a good range, squash to pie. Yeah. I like
that. It is a good range. I knew exactly what
you meant when you were saying it. Yeah. So,
all right. Halfway between squash and pie. Yeah,
it's a good pumpkin beer. You match with your
t -shirt there. Guys. Gotta rep the Browns, man.
Do you? But do you? Do you? You do. Do you really?
You do, man. You do. You absolutely do. See,
I'm not repping the Bears today because I've
learned that I can't rep the Bears and then they
win. So I've got just a navy shirt on. See, I'm
still... You're repping Walk the Moon? I am repping
Walk the Moon. I'm still in the mode of... I've
rooted for the Browns long enough that every
time they win, even though they're better than
most years... Every time they win, it's still
a shock to me. Bears are playing the Packers.
It hasn't yet, and it still feels good. So, dog
check. Dog check. Cleveland! This is for you!
Alright, Jill, what do you got over there? I
am drinking down east. Pumpkin cider. Squashed
a pie? On the scale of squashed a pie, this is
definitely more on the pie side. I figured that
might be, yeah, it's cider. Zero is squash. Five
is pie. This is probably a four. Okay. Oh, that's
solid. Yeah. Very solid. Yeah. But it's delicious.
I love Down East. It's a local blend from Boston.
Nice. Two big thumbs up. Nice. Okay. I like it.
You're not matching. No. But it's nice. I don't
actually own anything orange. Yeah, I mean, it's
a rough call. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I know,
right. If we ever got the store up and running,
we might have some orange shirts. Maybe your
mom can knit me an orange sweater or something.
Yeah, okay. Oh, nice. Mitchell, what do you got
there? Yeah, so I went to the Packy, as they
call it. Packy. Oh, yes. And I did want to get
a pumpkin -style brew, but I pivoted because
I saw this lovely puffer fish that's on this
can here. It's Fugu by Tox Brewing Company, and
it seemed to be super popular. This is the last
four -pack available, and I'm like, you know
what? I'm going to grab it. It's an IPA, and
I'm just going to say it's pretty good. It's
pretty good. It's pretty good. It's an IPA. It's
pretty, pretty, pretty good. Good. Pretty good.
And I love the art. Yes. It is beautiful. And
sometimes that's why you have to buy them. When
Tox was first coming up, their logo is what got
me because it's a little tree frog there. Yes.
And that little tree frog is beautiful. It's
greenish blue. It is a nice looking logo. He's
got a little diver's helmet on. Oh, it's so special.
And I believe they're based in New London. Yes.
It says North Haven on the can. Rooted and packaged
by 12 % North Haven. Oh, so it's back to 12%.
Oh, gotcha. Because 12 % probably distributes
from them. Ah, I see. There it is. Okay, alright.
Jill the librarian. Look at that. I see you.
I've got Jack. Shack's Abbey Smokin' Dagger.
Shack's Abbey, I believe, is from Massachusetts.
I know it's in the area. I just can't remember.
Yeah, Massachusetts. This is a smoky beer. And
I found it when I was on the knack for smoky
beers, and it's pretty damn good. What gives
it the smoky flavor? Love. What is love? It doesn't
literally have the ingredients on here, so I
may be drinking something I'm allergic to. Who
knows? Okay. Smoke is just me having an attack.
Excellent. Great. Love it. I really don't know,
actually. Yeah, it's probably like roasted hops
or something. Something delicious, you know.
I think a good smoky beer is hard to come by.
Yes. But once you do find it. Right. Well, and
that's the thing. I do like these. And I remember
first getting them when we were playing D &D
because it just felt fitting. Yes. And, you know,
when I think of this beer, I do think of the
fall. And I think of spooky things like our movies
we have today. Oh! Segway! Segway on us? Oh,
my God. I wasn't prepared. Yes, I did a motorized
scooter on you. Wow. Love it. Segway. I love
it. Don't pull off a clip on him. Please don't.
Yeah, that is a weird fact. The creator of the
Segway died by flying off a cliff. So not the
creator. Not the creator? So the guy who bought
the... The licensor or whatever, right? Oh my
God. The guy who acquired the company and died.
Oh, I thought it was the creator. There was a
really good podcast. news article about the Segway
launch and it was written from the journalist
who like broke the story and it explains like
One, how everything just went wrong. And then
two, how the actual creator of the Segway just
loved this idea so much that he kind of wanted
to keep it as much cloak and dagger secret as
he could. So like when it was launched, it was
like the big idea. It's like, it's IT. I remember
IT. Yeah. And then everybody thought it was going
to be one thing, but because the creator kept
it all like under wraps, it kind of fed the idea.
And then when it was released. It was not anything.
It was cool, but not like... Well, now every
city everywhere has Segway tours and everything.
But at the time, it was... I think the marketing
really screwed the potential. It was an oversight.
What is it? It was just so expensive, too. No
one could afford one. Yeah. That's a big part
of that. Yeah, it is definitely not a personal
thing. I think it was an article. If I find it,
I'll share it with you guys. It was a good reason.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Random Segway fact. And
I don't think it's the first time this has been
mentioned on this podcast. Segway facts? Take
a drink for the Segway facts. Okay. Cheers. Cheers.
Enjoy that radio silence right there while we
all drink. Exactly. So spooky movies is what
we are going to start with. We'll see where this
goes because we're kind of free -flowing it.
And I love this feeling. Yeah. But we're kind
of free -flowing it. We're off the reins. Mic
unchained. Sure. I don't know. You know I usually
come in, I'm like, let's do this, let's do this,
let's do this. So yeah, I guess I'm a little
unchained. A little loosey -goosey. A little
loosey -goosey, exactly. I like it. So you know
what that is, Chris? Yeah. So it is October currently.
I am currently watching a ton of scary movies.
Ones I have not seen. So like I saw Hellfest
or whatever that movie was that came out. What
is Hellfest? I'm not familiar with that one.
Hellfest. It's like 2018, I think. Okay. I was
not prepared to go down this rabbit hole, but
I'm here for it. Okay. Basically, Hellfest. Yeah,
it was 2018. A mass serial killer turns a horror
-themed amusement park into his own personal
playground, terrorizing a group of friends while
the rest of the patrons believe that it is all
part of the show. Wow. Okay. That is the IMDb
description. And it was good. Like, it was fairly
good. It's, you know, the kills. So here's my
scale. Creativity of the movie. Creativity of
the Kills, and then finally storyline, plot,
that kind of stuff. So is this kind of like a
Gorefest kind of movie, or more like an elaborate
saw? No, I mean, it's a serial killer killing
people. It's not over -the -top physical deformity.
blood, that kind of stuff. So it's not Saw, it's
more like Scream? Yeah, it's more like Scream.
It's more like Scream. It is. And that's what
they're definitely trying for. And it's funny
that one of the people that was in this, I need
to look up her name, went on to be in the Scream
TV show. Bex Taylor -Klaus. Oh, okay. So she
was in the Scream TV show as well. So she is
a Scream queen. I would say so, yes. But not
the show. Not the show, yes. But maybe you recognize
her? No, nothing? No. Okay. I will say this is
not my genre unless it gets a super high rating
on IMDb. Then that's when I'm watching that horror
movie. Yeah, that's probably the one that I would
say is the... Nope, I take it back. I watched
the Banana Splits movie. That was fun. Okay,
okay. Oh, have you not heard of the Banana Splits
movie? The Banana Splits movie. You remember
the Banana Splits? Like the characters? La, la,
la, la, la, la, la. Yeah, they're like in big
mascot costumes. This is like in the 90s? This
is like in the 60s, 70s, dude. Or is it that
old? No, Banana Splits. Banana Splits is a little
different. Yeah, so I would say it's closer to
like... how Chuck E. Cheese used to put out their
characters on a stage to perform. What? And that's
what they look like. No, I'm familiar with the
California Raisins. It's not the Banana Splits.
Well, right. So the Banana Splits got a movie
in 2019 for no reason. Like, it came out of nowhere.
The reason is... The reason is Five Nights at
Freddy's, let's be real. Yeah, well... You know,
like... So that was a lot of interest in mascot
themed horror, you know? Right. So exactly. But
like this one is literally their robots. They
are malfunctioning and they start killing adults
off. Okay. That sounds like FNAF. That's FNAF.
Yeah. Yeah. And they kill the adults, but protect
the kids. But it gets super dark, super fun though,
because like it is, they're, they're goofy. They're
zany, that kind of stuff. So like literally a
guy gets killed with a, uh, one of them's a magician
so he like does a part where he puts him in the
box with the saw and everything like that and
he has the girl help him like saw him apart and
like it is gory bloody Fun. Wow. That's what
you wanted in a movie. That is exactly what I
wanted in the Banana Splits movie. It's not a
great movie. I'm not saying go see it right away,
but it's just fun like that. The way that killer
sofa is fun. Yes, exactly. You said you saw a
fun, spooky movie. Yeah, I did. I don't know
if... Spooky would be appropriate. I can't say
that I was too afraid, much to Will Arnett's
disappointment. I'm talking about the new Disney
Plus special, The Muppets Haunted Mansion. Yeah.
This makes me so excited. You know what? Going
into it, I had very little knowledge. I had seen
a trailer for it. I knew the great Gonzo was
going to be the main character. His sidekick
was going to be Pepe the King Prawn. And that
was it. And you know what? I love Pepe. I'm not
going to lie. This was like a four out of five
experience for me. Wow. This was so refreshing.
Nice. Oh, that's awesome. What do you mean by
refreshing? So since Disney acquired the Muppets,
they have really struggled to figure out what
to do with them. Yeah. They've had some success.
So Jason Segel's film in the early 2010s. I love
that movie. Yeah, it's great. That movie understood
what the Muppets are, what they need to be, how
they work. Klaus and I went to that movie opening
day. I know you two know Klaus. Yeah. Claus and
I went to that movie opening day, and we were
the two creepy, like, 24, 25 -year -olds sitting
in a movie theater watching The Muppets. But
then after that, they just... kind of fell apart
again. There's the Muppets Most Wanted film,
which is kind of the direct sequel to the Muppets.
I do not like Muppets Most Wanted at all. I don't
either. I don't understand the characters. And
then you've had the... But it did give us evil
Kermit meme. I guess it did. Oh, it did, actually.
Oh my god, that's where it's from. Evil Russian
Kermit. Screw him. Then we had the documentary
-style TV show that was all... The Office, which
you didn't get it. And then we have now the Muppets
web series. Oh, I didn't know they even had a
web series. That's on Disney+. The framing device
is that they're uploading segments for a YouTube
or a blog series. So I feel like I'm not as big
a Muppets fan as you are. I'm surprised how many
of those I have seen. I've seen the three out
of four on that. the most recent muppet properties
and i think the reason that the muppets my haunted
mansion really works is that they give the proper
setup for how the muppets are going to be interacting
with the larger world around them okay so the
general plot is that it's halloween night got
the great gonzo who always does stunts and things
he's going over to a haunted mansion to prove
that he's the most bravest courageous daredevil
individual that there is by spending one whole
night in the mansion. It belonged to the great
MacGuffin, this magician. His name is MacGuffin.
Literally, he is MacGuffin. The great MacGuffin.
That is amazing. At least he's not the plot Muppet.
So along the ride is Pepe the King Cron. He's
coming along because he thinks there's going
to be some awesome Halloween parties. He's there
for the show. Of course he is. He just wants
to do a party. Of course he is. Yeah. He names
a few people, including Bard Pits. Bard Pits.
Love it. He says other names appropriately. He
names off some real celebrities and then ends
with Bard Pits. Is Jason Segel one of them? Jason
Segel's not one of them. Bradley Cooper, I think
he names. Alright, Bardley Cooper, got it. Bard
Pits. Oh my god. And they get to the mansion
and shenanigans ensue. Shenanigans ensue by one...
creepy butler who's portrayed by Will Arnett
who I did not know was in this movie it's a Muppet
film there's gonna be celebrity cameos here and
there some are bigger than others but Will Arnett
pops up and I'm like oh I didn't know he was
in this and he's definitely having a time of
it he is he gets to say the welcome foolish mortals
line but I think he changed it to welcome foolish
Muppets yes he's enjoying this and I'll say right
now that the film follows the layout of the ride
where they have this stretching room. You see
the grinning ghosts in the graveyard. I've got
a fun fact about the ride. I've never ridden
it. No! Never. It's always been either under
construction or way too long a line. And I just,
it didn't seem worth it. I know one of those
you go right at the beginning of the day or at
the end. Because once you're in line, they can't
throw you off. Right. Well, the thing is always
I wanted to see it at night. And it was always,
like, broken down or too long. I would say once
you're inside, it doesn't matter. If the sun's
out outside, you're completely in that room.
It's not like you're going to see it at night.
So the film follows the movement of the ride,
but it's not committed to the whole arc, the
story of the ride. And for those who might not
know, there are four haunted mansions, Disney
World, Florida, Disneyland, California, Euro
Disney, or Disneyland Paris, and then Shanghai.
Shanghai. Or Tokyo. No, yeah, Tokyo has it. I
don't think Shanghai has one. Maybe there are
five. But there's different houses, and they
all actually have different stories. Oh, I didn't
know that. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. So
the story and characters, because it's Constance.
halloway or something or other the bride okay
in the ball right or is that a different person
like the if you've been to the one in disney
world florida it's the ghost bride is constance
so the okay i have an answer for you if you want
the rides yeah so there is walt disney world
yeah disneyland okay disney paris yep and then
there's two more tokyo and hong kong which is
the small one yes so five yes five total five
and they're all different houses um so constance
is the plot who appears in at least the one in
Florida. Yeah. I feel like I've seen that one
and I've only been on the one. And it has nothing
to do with the Eddie Murphy movie. No, no. I
asked, I was like, is this like, is not Eddie
Murphy going to show up, but is this supposed
to be? And like the one with Eddie Murphy is
nothing to do with. I would have asked which
one's better. It sounds like this one. This is
better. Okay. Yeah. So we have Will Arnett. Taraji...
Taraji P. Henson. Yeah, she plays the bride.
Nice. Darren Criss pops up. Okay. And then those
are the big names. Then the rest, you got some
puppet, Muppet actors who are pretty reoccurring.
So they get to the mansion and we meet Darren
Criss as the undertaker and he bursts into song
and I just turned to Andre and I'm like, it's
a musical! There weren't that many songs, though.
No, there weren't. There was like maybe four?
Five, four, five. Still counts as a musical.
Yeah, I guess. So at this point, I'm very happy
because, you know, Muppets and music are interconnected.
Right. That's how they've always been. Absolutely.
And what's really fantastic is that Gonzo is
just kind of sitting back. He's like, oh, it's
like show. This is so fantastic because he's
genuinely not afraid of what's going to happen.
Right. He thinks he's in for the ride. Pepe,
on the other hand, is freaking out already. Yeah.
And this is why it works so well. He's like.
If you've seen the 1970s Muppet show, the plot
environment for that is that they're putting,
they own this theater, they're putting on a show
every night, you're seeing the different sketches.
Right. The way that the Muppets Haunted Mansion
works is roughly the same. Each room or each
section of the mansion is another sketch. And
they set it up really early that things are going
to look really familiar to Gonzo because the
house is going to work with... what they know
and their fears so miss piggy appears in the
beginning um in like a video call that gonz is
having with kermit because they're having a halloween
party okay then later in the mansion she plays
madame pagoda she'll let that go i gotta put
that under underneath you know right why did
you hide the hide because joe was in the middle
she was right fine it was amazing fine all right
jeez so you have like madame pagoda instead of
madame leota okay yeah the hitchhiking ghosts
which first appear as different muppets and then
you actually at the end they show like the proper
ones okay so like they actually explain why familiar
muppet characters are appearing right in different
yeah yeah yeah um Not really dead, just appearing.
Yeah, they just appear because the house knows.
Yeah. And it's just a really fun 52 minutes.
Like I said, it's got... Oh, that is amazing.
52 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breath of fresh
air. Wait, so there's only four or five songs
in a 52 -minute film? Yeah, I know. It's 100
% a musical. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm not saying
it isn't, but it's more like the songs are spaced
out pretty wide. Okay. I've definitely watched
a lot of musicals that songs are way tighter
packed together. Yeah, okay. All right, all right,
all right. It's probably maybe 10 % of the runtime
of the song, maybe. Yeah, and all the actors,
the celebrity actors look like they're having
the time of their life. Of course. Whoever wrote
this really understands how the Muppets work.
Who doesn't want to do a Muppets movie? I don't
know. Yeah, I wonder. I think our generation
and older. Yes. I would say it's like probably
a lot of younger. Yeah. Like how about this is
coming. This is like Tom Holland's going to take
some straight pot shots here, but he's the first
person I could think of where I don't think he
would dive with it. I have no reason to think
that other than his age, you know what I mean?
Like it's like, so Darren Criss being in this
makes a lot of sense. And he's, you know, our
generation, I would say roughly. He was born
in 87. A little north of us. Wait, what the hell?
Was he a 27 -year -old high schooler? Yeah. Oh,
my God. Hey, he's Dear Evan Hansen. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, my God. Yep, there it is. But I will say
that watching it, if I had a, let's say, 7 to
10 -year -old watching it, there are a few parts
that I think would be not scary to them. Eye
covering parts? Maybe. Not freaky. So there's
a scene where Gonzo has to confront his greatest
fear and they do some really cool effects with
aging him up. You know what? I was going to make
a joke and I took it away. It's very, very freaky.
I was going to say his search history. This is
not Avenue Q. This is not Avenue Q. Internet
for porn. So that's a little freaky. They make
some other allusions to some ghost characters,
how they may or may not have died. So there's
just some things in there that for a slightly
younger audience, it might be spooky, but not
terrifying. Definitely for all ages, though.
Disney +, Disney whoever, just keep making things
like this. If you need to just put a Muppet skin
on every single ride to get a good story out
of it, do it. Yeah. So I'm going to give a shout
out to a podcast that I love called Watching
Comics Podcast. They did a segment on one of
their shows. If any... comic book movie could
get the Muppets treatment, where it's like one
human character and everybody else is Muppets,
what would you choose? Guardians immediately
came to mind. Wow. Guardians would be great.
I said Green Lantern. Oh, that'd be good. I think
it would be more fun. I think that's a better
glow -up, too. I think it would just be better
as a movie. Kermit as the Green Lantern. I'm
getting rid of Ryan Reynolds. Who's staying human?
I want... Blake Lively. Blake Lively's a good
choice. No, who was the bad guy in that? What
about Sinestro? Oh, Sinestro. Was it Hector Hammond
or was it Sinestro in that movie? Well, Sinestro
was in that movie. I think they teased him going
back. It was going to be like Green Lantern 2
or whatever. I think it's Hector Hammond who's
the bad guy in that movie. Right. He has a ginormous
head, so I don't know if we can pull that off.
Maybe he becomes a Muppet when he turns into
a ginormous head. There you go. He turns into
Sam the Eagle in his gigantic forehead. You know,
the humor was all right, too. When I say all
right, I mean literally this is correct. This
is the right type of humor for the Muppet. So
they make a couple jokes early on. And then they
explain a joke, and then later they're like,
don't worry, we're not going to explain everything
to you. But it's just so in spirit of Muppet.
Yeah, it felt authentic. It's just like, finally,
what a breath of fresh air. Nice. So I highly
recommend this. Like I said, it's a nice 52 minutes
long. It does not outstay its wealth. That's
fantastic. I can ignore the fact and forgive
that I don't like the way that Kermit sounds
anymore. I mean, that's an impossible situation.
Yeah, I don't know how you're going to get through
that one. Whitmore was dismissed, so he's not
coming back. I also found out what happened to
Rizzo the Rat, which was also kind of sad. Because
if you grew up in the 90s, Gonzo and Rizzo were
the team up. Right. So wait, what happened to
the Rat? The voice actor and muppeteer for Rizzo
was also dismissed from the... the company um
following a controversy that's all i that's all
i read and then i'm like i don't want i don't
want that's fair fantastic yep so it sounds like
this is going to join the likes of a muppet's
christmas yes and that's i think another reason
why it works it's very similar to the christmas
carol treasure island things like that i still
need to watch treasure island but i still like
christmas carol more than this probably you get
michael crane in it yeah michael flipping good
in that movie. Yes, he is. As he once said, I'm
not going to do anything Muppety. Is that the
best Michael Caine role? I'm willing to put it
on the table. It's in the top five in my opinion,
honestly. That's my favorite telling of the Christmas
Carol is the Muppets one. That's fair. Because
it's also very faithful. I'll say this. It's
definitely my favorite Scrooge to film interpretation
for sure. Yeah. I really like the Disney one,
mainly because of how Goofy plays Marley at the
beginning. Like, in terms of making me laugh.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought you were talking
about, like, the real -life animated one with
Jim Carrey. No, not that one. I thought that's
what you were talking about. That was creepy.
It's creepy to me. For me, it's creepy. For me,
yeah. Yes. It's the same thing, right? It's the
same guy. It's Robert Zemeckis. Robert Zemeckis,
exactly, yeah. Yeah, I can't do... Express either
I can't do that can't do Beowulf like I forgot
how many movies in that style you were there
when I found out that Beowulf was animated yeah
I didn't know that because I didn't watch it
in school so I was like oh they're cartoons or
they're real people It's not good. No, it's not.
Beowulf is the first, that movie is the first
origin of the hot titty she -love effect, you
know what I mean? Like, take this Grendel's mother,
they made the turn of Angelina Jolie, right?
It's like, what? Unapologetically, it's Angelina
Jolie. Yeah, like, it's just, okay, it's just
Angelina Jolie in a skin suit, like. Cool. Well,
all right. I hate to change the subject, but
I want to hear from more people on this show
as well. Ratings is four out of five red herrings
for me. Yeah. Oh, me? You watched it, too. Yeah,
it's true. Three out of, 3 .5 illusions out of
five. Okay. In deference to Joe, who, from, you
know, Will Arnett, Joe, they're not trickster,
whatever, it's fine. Okay. Will Arnett plays
the, never mind, okay. It's fine. It's cool.
You guys should watch the movie. It's great.
Yeah, it's great. Going back to our uncanny CGI
conversation, because I'm sure the CGI was great
on the movie you're going to talk about, Mitchell.
Some backstory here. I'm talking about Venom.
Let there be carnage. It sucks. It sucks. It
sucks. God, it's awful. Some people liked it.
Okay, so I'll say this. I'm a snob, but I do
understand that you... Yeah, me. You? There are
movies you have to meet them at their level,
which is exactly how I approached the first Venom,
and I really loved it. I loved how Tom Hardy
was so dedicated to the Eddie Brock role, and
his voice performance for Venom was so much fun.
Still one of my favorites. superhero roles because
of the fact we never got the glow -up cute moment
like hot moment oh no he looked like trash oh
yeah entirety of the movie that's the thing is
that at the beginning of the movie he's down
in his dumps and at the end of the movie and
she's still pretty he's still pretty bad yeah
he's still got like a sweat stain sweatshirt
on like you know yeah we'll say that shitty apartment
in san francisco still costs like 500 i'm sure
easy yeah But, and by the way, the lobster scene
in the first movie, I think is still like the
gold standard of what you could do with Tom Hardy
as Venom. Anyway, so going into this movie, and
we were just watching MIB 2 upstairs. Yes, Men
in Black 2. Looking at the CGI of that movie,
I'd say it's just about as good as what I saw.
Wow. Oh, no. It's not good. That's not good for
a movie. with a lot of CGI in it. Yeah. Yeah.
When was that? Like 2004. Okay. Sounds about
right. I'm on it. And look, I'm being an asshole.
Like, of course, it's a little bit better than
me. So, of course, it's a little bit better.
But there are some things I really liked about
this movie. So, I want to get those out the way
first. 2002. Wow. So, 19 years later, not much
progress. Jesus. By the way, Sony, by the way.
It's still Sony. It's still Sony. So, I will
say this, 90 minutes. That is so refreshing.
You want to talk about just like a run time,
especially for a comic. Actually, 97 minutes.
Oh, excuse me. Yeah. Some of those minutes are
true. Credits. I would say that's true because
there is a mid -credits scene that you have to
watch. Oh. I spoiled myself on it. I was like,
I don't want to watch this movie. I'm going to
just watch the credits. Of all the things, that
was what was spoiled for me. Okay. Which is fine,
but at the end of the day, I wish I wasn't. Yeah,
right. But the runtime was great. Tom Hardy doing
his thing. Really surprised Michelle Williams
also understood the assignment. Oh, okay. Michelle
Williams killed it in the first one. I'm not
shocked that she killed it in the second one.
She was given a little bit more to do. Did you
guess? No, no, she did. You're right. She did,
but she was given a little bit more and a little
bit more campy things to do, too. She was just
like, I'm in. The first movie had exactly one
moment with her letting her be kind of campy
in it, I feel like. The She -Venom? Yes, exactly.
Is that what it's called? I don't know. This
is Andy Serkis directing this film. And that
is the thing, too. I think the overall direction,
a lot of the choices made from a filmmaker's
point of view, even if you're meeting it at the
campy level, does not work. For example, this
movie opens with Woody Harrelson's character.
He plays Carnage. Back when he's a little bit
younger, he's locked up, and you see him talking.
When you see this young actor, who is not Woody
Harrelson, speak. They didn't even de -age him.
What they did was they got a younger actor and
they dubbed Woody Harrelson's voice in for this
dude's lines. Oh, no. And we're talking like
two to three lines, but still, it's enough to
completely take you out of the movie just as
it started. What do you got? So, I was just looking
up Andy Serkis' directing credits. He has five
of them. Okay. Yeah, he's got the Jungle Book
movie. The Mowgli legend of whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Second unit on. one of the Hobbits. So he was
the director for Venom Let There Be Carnage,
Mowgli, Legend of the Jungle, The Ruins of Empires,
which is a TV movie, Breathe, and Heavenly Sword,
which is a video game. Wait, what? Hold on, hold
on, hold on. Was he a cinematic director on that?
I don't know, maybe. It just says director on
IMDb. Well, he has two upcoming projects. This
is what I want to get to. One of these projects
is called Animal Farm. Oh, as in George Orwell?
Yes. I didn't know they were doing an adaptation.
This is blowing my mind on this. When does that
do? It doesn't say. It's in development. What's
the other movies? Steelskin? I don't know what
it's called. It doesn't have a plot or anything
like that. Animal Farm is supposed to come out
before Steelskin, so they're both in development.
I'll say this. So I've listened to, and I did,
I tried to do some homework here. Andy Serkis
did do an interview on the big picture where
he talked about how his first foray into Venom
wasn't with this movie. It was Tom Hardy reaching
out to him before Venom one came out, asking
for advice on how to play a CGI character with
all that kind of stuff. Cool. What it turned
out were, you know, then Tom Hardy did not follow
up on that initial conversation. They just ended
up filming. movie, which was fine. It was a big
success. I think it made like $700 million or
something like that. Just a stupid amount of
money. And then that, I guess, first conversation,
Tom Hardy, who also gets a story credit in this
movie, reached out to Andy. He's just like, hey,
I know I didn't follow up last time, but we'd
love you to direct the sequel. So he came back
and did that. And I think a lot of the CGI stuff...
Venom is as funny as he was in the first movie.
I think a lot of it is that physical performance
that you see in the CGI, though it doesn't look
good. Like the actual puppeteering of it all
is good. The cinematography, that's not the right
word, but the actual choreography, the choreography
is good. What they wanted out of the performance
was good, but it's used using PS2 level graphics.
Yeah, right. Got it. Yeah, so that's one of my
gripes there. The movie flies at a comic book
level pace, which is why it's able to clock in
at 97 minutes. And sometimes that's perfect.
Sometimes that's perfect. One of my favorite
moments is Venom's about to fight Carnage. He
sees that Carnage is red and Venom chickens out.
He's just like, nope. I don't want to fight him.
That's a red one. He's a red one. It's in the
trailer. Yeah. And I'm like, that is perfect.
Because when I saw that in the trailer, I thought
we were going to get some backstory as to why
the red one is more powerful than him, blah,
blah, blah. We did not. We just go right into
the fight. And I'm just like, that's all I need
as an audience. So Venom's racist. Got it. Venom
is partially racist. All you need to know...
Wow. I'm just thinking of all of the fucking
socioeconomic ramifications of Venom's homeworld
now. The fuck up part is Venom is Carnage's dad.
What? What? Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
That's how they play that role in the movie.
That Venom, technically, the symbiote, is Carnage's
dad. Yes. Wow. And Carnage calls Venom that.
He calls him that, like, verbally, you hear that
sentence somewhere in this movie. Wow. So, there
are some weird choices like that. I could have
lived without it. Alright, fair enough. But overall,
you don't get the same laughs, to my level at
least, from the first one. The first one I laughed
so much, too. It was great in a very charming
way, and it does not succeed at that level with
this movie. But was it a lot of fun? Clearly.
I'm explaining this movie to you with a big -ass
smile on my face. I had a lot of fun watching
it. But at the end of the day, I understand that
this is a solid one -and -a -half -star movie.
I'm not going to watch this again. So, yeah.
Okay, all right. No, no, no. But understanding
that I grade very hard. What does that have to
do? It isn't bad. When there's a trilogy, because
let's face it. Oh, there will be. Yeah. Will
you go see the third one? Yeah. Okay. Because
of Tom Hardy. Because at the end of the day,
in terms of commitment from number one to number
two. Tom Hardy is all in as Eddie Brock, and
he's even more all in as Venom. Yep. And that
is so much fun, and especially with what you
see in the mid -credits scene, I'm definitely
seeing number three. Yep. I'm definitely seeing
number three. And I don't want to spoil it here.
No, I was guessing there was going to be a third
one, because let's face it. Dude, that makes
too much money. Exactly. The first one made too
much money that they... They knew in the second
one. That was such a classic, like, one of the
funniest memes of the year I saw was, like, when
they, so Sony was pushing out Venom extra, you
know, a handful extra weeks at a time because
of Delta variant, et cetera, et cetera. And then
Shang -Chi came out and it shattered expectations.
And then the J. Jonah Jameson thing, like, wait,
we're pushing you out. Like, you know, from,
like, it was like, you're fired. You're off the
front page. Yeah, you're off the front page.
Hey, you, say, I need you. Yeah, right, exactly.
Exactly. motion so like i was i did a quick look
up to see if i could figure out who like the
mocap actor was for venom and it turns out they
didn't do any motion capture oh what for number
two they did not really can you check to see
if they did on number one because i'd be very
interested to see that well number one no i have
this article from three years ago venom didn't
use motion capture after all after all according
to tom hardy so in venom one they did not use
so that's why he never hit andy circus back up
so i wonder if they did for number two though
so because i really thought of the high moments,
it was Venom existing in the world. And he does
for quite a while in this movie. Um, but at the
end of the day, some character choices don't
make sense. Um, basically motivations are completely
lost or just discarded in general. And then,
yeah, you move in the direction that the script
told you to go in without any real motivation.
So it's not a good movie, but I had a lot of
fun watching it. Okay. It's one of those things
where if you were on a bad movie podcast, it'd
be fun to talk about. Sure, yeah. If you were
not... Wait a second! If you were not and had
to pay $14 to see this thing, I'd probably recommend
another movie. Right. Yeah, okay. You know what
I mean? Yeah, that's fair. From what I can find,
there's some mocap, but it's mostly just CGI.
Interesting. And to allow Tom Hardy more freedom
to... Do his thing. I wonder if that's why the
CGI isn't up to par for a lot of this. Calm yourself.
I wonder if that's why the CGI isn't up to par
for a lot of this. It's just because there is
no mocap. You don't have this standard spot that
we're going to build off of. It's just him. being
him and them making it after on him. You know,
for me, it wasn't even about the motion. It was
more about the look at the end of the day. And
I'm not sure what goes into what makes something
look fantastic. Right. Using CGI. Right. I know
there's probably a good combination of money
and manpower. Right. And I'm not sure if the
movie was afforded that, especially with COVID
and all that. Yeah. Productions completely changed.
Right. So that may have been something that affected
it, but I'm not entirely sure. Yeah. I wonder.
So if you're invested in Venom, definitely see
it. Definitely do it. It's going to be the same
stuff that you saw last time. If you liked the
first one, would you like this one, basically?
Yeah, you'll like it less. Okay, got it. But
this is something that you'll probably want to
watch because, again, if you're in on Venom,
you're in on Tom Hardy. Yeah, so invested in
this. Tom Murray's definitely invested in it,
but I did not like the first one, even in a fun
way. So call me a snob, I guess. No, then this
one, my man, is not for you. I haven't actually
seen the first one yet, or the second one, clearly.
I want your opinion of seeing the second one
and then going back to the first one. That is
actually a classic show move. Let's watch Speed
2 without seeing Speed 1. Let's watch Venom 2
without the first one. Okay, Speed 2 was because
it was forced on her. Yes, I know. It's true.
cruise control oh god oh my god that's a bad
movie that is a bad movie we have a whole episode
on it it's terrible yes so you saw a movie I
did it's a spooky movie I did you probably have
already heard the episode on it because we have
a full episode on it beforehand so you rewatched
it though Oh, wait. What are you talking about?
Are we talking about Slenderman? I'm talking
about Slenderman. Oh, we're talking about Slenderman.
Okay, yeah. I did watch Slenderman. I just wanted
to get all the spooky movies off the deck. Mike,
what were you talking about? I thought, well,
since we now record these two at a time, I thought
we were talking about the bad movie that I watched
that you heard the episode for last week. Right.
Yes. Because it is a spooky movie for the bad
movie. Okay, got it. This is weird because we're
recording this backwards. I was about to say.
So you guys don't even know the movie yet. You've
listened to it. We haven't seen it. it yet. Right.
I want to just look behind the curtain. Yeah.
It's a look behind the curtain. Okay, so originally
it wasn't downloading because I just came back
yesterday. Well, really this morning from our
honeymoon. Congrats. Thank you. Yes. Two years
overdue, but it's finally happened. I got a movie
to download before I found the movie that I chose,
and I'm still not letting you guys know until
we record the episode backwards. That's fine.
Yes. So the one I got to load was Slender Man.
And I watched Slender Man because I thought I
was going to talk about it on the podcast. It
is not as bad as the hype says. It is not a good
movie. I'm not telling any of you to see it.
any of anybody to see it. Mike was pointing at
the microphone. Yes, exactly. Don't give this
creepypasta character your money. Yes, exactly.
Is that the origins of that thing? Yeah, it's
creepypasta. It's a creepypasta, yeah. I loved
the Slenderman creepypasta. So when I heard they
were making a movie, I was intrigued by it. The
game was awesome. Eight Pages or the other one?
No, was it called Eight Pages? So there's two
games. Yeah, there are two. Shit. Eight Pages
was my favorite. Eight Pages was the one... That's
the one you're in the woods trying to find the
pages. That one fucking rips. I made one of my
friends play it in my college dorm and she got
so scared she threw the mouse at the monitor
and broke my monitor. It thinks I'm looking for
Spider -Man. It's probably a 20 minute long experience
tops. It totally uses the mechanics of Slenderman
to its most effective point. Because if you look
at Slenderman, you don't see him moving on screen.
You only just see him pop up. You know what I
mean? You get the sense that he's constantly
following you. And it's just so good. So there's
at least six games of Slenderman. Slenderman
the Eight Pages was excellent. The other one
I was thinking of is Slenderman Shadow, which
is also good. But the Eight Pages is definitely
the... They have one called Five Nights at Slender
Man's. Yeah. Wow. So I found this list that is
the three worst, three best. There might be more.
It's probably because nobody has the license
to Slender because it's a creepypasta. So that's
probably just on the Steam page garbage bin.
Oh, people make games like that all the time,
just having keywords of popular things. Slender
the Arrival. Yep. That is... Another good one.
Okay. And it is based on the movie they released.
Gotcha. But it's... Like a sign or indie? Like,
is it an indie game? It looks indie -ish. It
looks like the same mechanic as, like, Amnesia
or something like that, where you have, like,
a limited battery and you're finding stuff. Okay.
Yeah. Amnesia... No, the other one. Machine for
Pigs? No. What? PT? What other one? The video
camera is the only time you can... Outlast. Outlast.
Outlast. That's it. Yes. Yes. We are going full
into the game part of Game for a Movie. I love
it. I love it. Horror games are great, man. I
just watched a playthrough of P .T. from seven
years ago. Holy shit. And it was so great. Have
you heard of the new game that's like the spiritual
succession to P .T.? What is that? Uh... No.
What's a P .T.? P .T., so, all right, sorry,
this is gonna be... I don't play video games.
Yes, P .T., it stands for Playable Teaser, and
it was, it's a really famous little, because
A, it's so, the part that's creepy about it is
that it's got, so basically it's a playable teaser
for, have you heard of the games, the Silent
Hill? I think they made movies on it. So, okay,
I think I know exactly what you're talking about,
because my buddy Spencer played that shit in
front of me, and it terrified the shit out of
me. Yeah, so it's the one where you're walking
in a hallway over and over again. So nobody knew
what P .T. stood for, and then it came out. Yes,
so like when it released, it was just called
like, it was just called, hey, here's this...
cool indie game called PT from this random studio
and then it turned out like oh it turns out this
famous developer Hideo Kojima made familiar solid
worked on it and then like yeah if you beat the
game you get a teaser where Norman Reedus shows
up and then like walks down a creepy street and
it says Silent Hills brought to you by Hideo
Kojima and Guillermo del Toro whoa crazy yeah
right and then basically that game got cancelled
because Kojima had a falling out with the company
etc etc etc oh so that game never got made never
And not only that, so the company that published
it, Konami, they made it so that you can no longer
download PT. And if you delete it from your hard
drive, you can't ever get it back. It's just
gone. It's just gone. I still have my PS5 that
has it downloaded. You could sell it. I could,
maybe, yeah. But to me... People who want people.
eBay values regardless. To me, that kind of adds
to the mystique of PT where it's like this kind
of creepy game you can't really get anymore.
Visage. Not familiar. Visage? Visage? Visage?
It's a 2020 game. They call it... Did she just
say vagina? I saw a V, I saw a G. Vaginy. Got
it. Vaginy. I don't know. Sorry. There have been
many PT clones since PT happened and I guess
it... In the world of horror video gaming. I
remember my first beer, Mitchell. I was laughing.
It was incredibly impactful. I would not mean
to step on you. I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with
Visage. Visage got released last year. And everybody's
talking about it. It's PT, essentially. It is
what PT wanted to be. Sure. And so I've heard
amazing things about it. It has a sanity meter.
So you go through like. Oh, yeah. Yes. That's
why I was thinking Amnesia. Sounds fantastic.
Hard pass. PT absolutely made me crap my pants.
That is a scary scary movie. You're not a scary
person. I'm not a scary... Well, it's tough.
I'm a certain kind of scary person, I guess.
What is your favorite scary movie? My favorite
scary movie? Yes. Scary Movie 3. Scary movie
four. No. I don't know if it's even a four. I
don't know. Scary movie seven. Dude, there's
like a billion of these. I mean, like, again,
this is going to be like, oh, come on. But my
current one that comes to mind is probably Annihilation.
I would call that sort of a cosmic horror movie.
It's not just a horror movie, but it's a thriller.
That's a movie I was not expecting to be as...
Horrific? I don't know if that's a term, but,
yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about,
especially that end sequence. Yes. Very terrifying.
Yeah, well, even that, and then the bear scene,
and I'll leave it at that, was also, like, holy
shit. Yeah. So good. So well done. And that,
well, whatever, I guess it just spoiled it itself.
The reason it was so scary is because I wasn't
going in thinking, oh, this is a scary movie,
you know what I mean? Like, it was, this is a
sci -fi movie, you know? That's what I came in
expecting, and it was really good. Nice. Okay.
Do we have, like... Like, as a group, like, favorite
scary movies that we want to share? Oh, I know
all mine. All right, what's, like, yours? Scream.
Scream number one? Scream number one. Wes Craven's
Scream. I love all four Scream movies. And it
does not matter how bad they get, I will watch
Scream movies until the day I die. I watched
the Scream series, which sucked ass at the end,
and I still watched it. Well, number one is so...
It just knows what it's doing. It's perfect.
And my favorite character of all people is Jamie
Kennedy's fucking character. Randy is one of
my favorite characters in a scary movie because
he knows the rules, yet he still gets fucked
over. It's such a time stamp in Hollywood. Yeah.
Like who was a star or a young star at that point.
Yeah, exactly. And that's my thing. is I love
the Scream series. I love the movies, the TV
show. I'm ready for Scream 5. It is coming. Cannot
wait. That is true. Yeah. Jill, do you have one?
Jacob's Ladder. Nice. Jacob's Ladder, wow. Which
was a movie introduced to me on this podcast
and I still have yet to see? I know. If you like
Silent Hill, Silent Hill pulled a lot from Jacob's
Ladder. I almost, for our bad movie, because
I said I was going to do, no, no, no, the remake.
They did a remake with Jesse Williams in 2013.
What? Excuse me? It is at an 8 % on Rotten Tomatoes.
That was almost my bad movie. Wow. Because I've
seen the original, and the original is fantastic.
That's what I've heard. Yeah, so the sequel was
almost, or the remake, not the sequel, the remake.
I'm very curious to know how they did it. Don't
do it. Just don't. Don't do it to yourself. Don't
do it to yourself. When did the original come
out? Was it like a 90s movie? 90s? Okay. Early,
mid -90s? I was going to say like 93, 94, somewhere
around there, probably. Do you have one? Well,
so recently, I would say my favorite scary movie
to watch, like, and I have like a habit of watching
certain movies at a certain point every year.
Just like... Christmas Vacation for Christmas.
Yeah. It's something I watch every year. Since
2015, I believe is when this movie came out,
it follows. Nice. Great film. That is fantastic.
It's so good. Yeah. And it's a, in a way, it's
like a throwback to the 80s, especially with
the synths as part of the score. Yeah, the soundtrack's
so good. It's so good. And, you know. The love
of my life, Kelly, hates scary movies. So this
is something I cannot watch with her. So I'm
going to have to carve out some time to watch
that. That's been my thing. As I've said for
the start of October, I've been watching scary
movies. So basically whenever Claire goes to
the bed, I find a different scary movie that
has been on my list. So I'm not watching like
the classics. I'm not watching all these things
that are like, you know, the be all end all.
I'm watching the ones that kind of slip through
the cracks. So that's how I got to Hellfest.
Yeah. fest i saw the trailer was totally interested
in it and just kind of never saw it finally i
saw it was on prime i'm like perfect you know
what it's happening watch it done you know like
that kind of thing so i'm watching a lot of things
that i wouldn't call them b movies or anything
like that but just like ones that slipped through
the cracks for me yeah i got you i think most
Good horror movies are B -movies. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, right. I think good, like a good, depending
on your flavor of horror, there's a good, there
should be some element of schlock. Yes. There
should be. Yes. 1990 for... Oh, 1990. Wow. Okay.
Yeah. He doesn't do horror. I don't do, I don't
know. It's tough. Like, so with scary movies,
if I've watched them, if I somehow, somehow,
somebody's twisted my arm into watching them,
usually I like them, you know what I mean? But
I never find myself like, when you're saying
like, oh yeah, I'll just get to this scary movie
that I haven't seen before. I'd be like, fuck
no, I'm not going to do that. Yeah, right. What
if it's fucking scary? Then it's done its job.
Yeah, right, right. No, totally. I mean, so on
that note, only because I can't escape it from
a car. cultural osmosis, I would say Alien 1
is probably my favorite horror movie. Straight
up just... Yeah, that's a good one. And it is
a horror movie. Right. I would not call Aliens
or Alien 3 even a horror movie. Alien 3 is definitely
like a thriller versus a horror movie. Right.
Right. Alien 1 is probably the closest to a classic
horror movie that I will be like, I'm always
down to watch this whenever. And it's just, it's
been so influential in non -league films, but
also video games too. Right. Yeah. And then I
guess a runner -up would be Event Horizon. Nice.
A lot of Event Horizon. That one is the B sci
-fi horror movie of choice for me. Do you know
that there's like eight minutes of cutting room
floor material? Really? So like, you know, has
everyone here seen Event Horizon? Yes. Okay.
So you know how like the ship went through the
hell gate and stuff went down so like the uh
the cutting room floor stuff that got deleted
is like more stuff on what happened to the crew
oh man oh nice so you get more yeah Yeah. Well,
when I was, I watched, I somehow watched that
when I was, like, eight. I have no idea how it
happened. Eight? Yeah, I know. Really, yeah,
I know. I was already at a friend's place. I
don't remember exactly. Whatever. Yes, way too
young to watch that specific movie. And that
one scene, I think they show, like, 30 seconds
of it where, like, they look at the, they see
the footage and then that shit kept me up for
weeks. More of that. And I was like, oh my god,
this is the scariest thing I've probably ever
seen ever. And then, like, I watched it again,
like, you know, like, when I was 13 or whatever.
I'm like, this is one of the most terrible. Fishburne
versus space it's true he's been in like a couple
sci -fi films that have got like space too I've
watched I've watched Event Horizon before I watched
The Matrix you know what I mean so like to me
that's ironically Lawrence Fishburne's like in
role for me is in Event Horizon instead of Morpheus
oh wow yeah that's that's just where it is is
The Lost Boys considered a horror movie? Yeah,
technically. I love that movie around Halloween.
So I'm going to look up its... In the same way
that Alien is. I'm going to look up its classification,
but yeah, comedy horror. There it is. Also 97
minutes. Dude, I love that. We are so past the
point, like, you know, me and Mike watch Squid
Game. Nine episodes, I don't know how many hours.
But... Just under nine because it's like 45.
90 minutes of something is so refreshing. You
know what I mean? God, Squid Game is so good.
We need to watch it. We need to watch it. Yeah,
we're talking too much so we might not get to
Cash or Trash, which is fine. I'm not talking
too much on a podcast. I know. No, and I'm just
watching because of ads. We don't want to make
you sit through ads and that's what we have to
do. So, you know. Um, but yeah, Squid Game was,
Squid Game was excellent and would be total cash.
Oh, 100%. Yeah. Wait, what movie were you talking
about? Slenderman. Slenderman. Yes. We completely
went off the rails on that. Yeah. Still riding
the ship here. So Slenderman, I don't know if
you know the story of Slenderman. He appears
in the woods and he takes people to the, whatever
realm, essentially, that he decides, he takes
kids. And once you see Slenderman, you can't
escape. You can't escape him. And he's in a suit.
He's super long arms in a suit with a boulder
cap or whatever. It's like Jack Skellington.
No, he doesn't have a hat. He doesn't have a
hat. He doesn't have a hat. He's a white faceless
creature. Yeah, exactly. Because there was a
big part where this girl starts seeing him and
is just like, he had no face. He had no face.
Yeah, no face. Put a hat on that faceless man.
It's just funny. Yeah. Nice head. Well, I'm like,
all these girls are teenagers, and I will say
they're actually all teenagers. It's not like
a high schooler playing... Not Dear Evan Hansen.
Yeah, exactly. It's not like a high schooler
being flippant. That's a horror movie in its
own right. It is. That's a very rare accidental
horror movie. Yeah, yeah, right. They thought
they would get Oscars out of that. Tomatoes,
the audience score is way too high for that movie.
Wait, what do you mean by way too high? I've
heard nothing but awful things about it. Remember,
people liked the musical before it became a...
movie, and then people will realize what it's
actually about. I mean, honestly, I feel like
I look enough like that guy. I feel like that
should be my only costume this year. Your eyes
aren't bugging out. No, but if I just grew...
I mean, the hair's already long enough. I just
grew it out a little bit more. You should put
some heavy layers of foundation on you. Yes,
yes. And you've got a Naruto run everywhere.
So... Oh, yeah. Dear Evan Hansen, ready for the
Rotten Tomatoes number? Yeah. Critics, 30%. Yep,
yep. That makes sense. Audience. 88%. That's
some fucking Rise of Skywalker story. 1 ,000
plus verified ratings. I mean, I would imagine
that some of that are fans of the original musical,
and then there's others who watch it and be like,
it's a really great story about how a simple
mistake can snowball, but you know what? You
can be found. Found community, found family,
even though it's all a foundation of a lie, and
Evan Hansen's actually the villain. It's okay.
He sings. Yeah. No, it's not okay. No, retweet,
retweet. Retweet. Kelly, who's super into theater,
walked me through the history of this show, and
I could see why it was as successful as it was.
And then for the movie adaptation, any redeeming
qualities about the musical were completely stripped
out of what is now in the movie. Right. And I'm
just like, oh, like, how do you even watch this
without... Yeah. Feeling uncertain or weird.
So Slenderman. So Slenderman. So origin story
for Slenderman. Oh, well, basically, so these
girls are actually, like, young. They're not,
like, 20 -year -olds that are in high school.
And this came out a couple years ago. This came
out a couple years ago. This is now probably...
Well, that's the main issue for this movie. Oh,
my goodness. So when the Slenderman story came
out, when the real -life crime happened based
on this story, The movie was still two years
out. That's how long after this event. Wow, okay.
So they took their time on this one. They did.
And the problem is, Slenderman was then passed.
And for me, I personally like Slenderman, the
whole idea of it, because I'm a weirdo and a
creep. It all lines up. She put that on your
dating profile. Yes, exactly. Wait, whoa, whoa,
whoa. Dating profile? What the hell is happening
here? Let's get this dating profile updated,
Mike. Come on. When Claire gets adopted by the
Slender Man? What's happening? You've got to
have a backup plan. We are a podcast of dating
profile people. It's true. It's true. It's true.
It's worked for us. So Slender Man. So please
put Slender Man in your dating profile. you will
find the love of your life. Basically, these
four girls get together to summon Slenderman
because they're trying to beat the boys and doing
it. Wait a minute, beat the boys at, like, tug
-of -war? No, the boys are supposedly summoning
Slenderman. Yeah, like... So the high school
boys that they are interested in... So they are
hanging out one night. And basically the girls
find out and they're like, oh, they found out
that they're trying to summon Slenderman. Well,
let's try to do it first. You know, like we're
going to beat them, that kind of stuff. So they
go to their own party, the four girls, and summon
Slenderman. But now it's too late because Slenderman
is here. So congratulations, you accomplished
what you set out to do. You played exactly. Now
you need to deal with the consequences like real
adults. Right. The issue with this movie is,
like, it's jump scare reliant. And then Slender
Man's supposed to blend into the trees. That
is the whole idea of it. And so when a branch
moves, that might be Slender Man. And, like,
that's what they should have built into more
versus, like, it's you're looking at the trees,
looking at the trees, all of a sudden, bah, the
branch moves, which is him. Okay. And, you know,
and it's one of those things where literally
it's, five -second jump scare, and you're like...
Is there a musical sting every time he shows
up? That's what I want to know. That's what I
want to know. Like, is it, like, every time,
like, the Slider Man shows up, it's like, or
whatever? Yeah. That's annoying because, again,
one of the huge points about the game was that
there's no musical cue for it. You just see him,
and that adds to the horror. All of a sudden,
it's there. He's just there, and it's like, whoa.
And you're freaking out. But in the game, too,
he's subtle in the game where you could be walking
towards him not realizing. All of a sudden, he's
real close to you, and you're like, fuck, no!
Right, right, right. Yeah. Oh, it's so good.
But yeah, Slender Man, eight pages, five out
of five. Slender Man, the movie. Like I said,
it wasn't as bad as critics made it. So it has
like a terrible Rotten Tomatoes number, but I'm
also not recommending you see it. Like one out
of five. You know, it's, yeah, it's fine. It's
not. Just read the creepypasta page about it.
Exactly. You know what I think is a great emphasis
to the whole jump scare thing? There's a great
sequence. It's not even a sequence. It's one
shot. in hereditary if anyone has seen it here
god damn it yeah so it's not a spoiler or anything
it's at the beginning of the movie it's after
the mom or like the grandma uh is you know she's
dead she's passed away and um tony collette's
character is up in her workstation area of her
of her home and she shuts off the light and as
she shuts off the light you see a silhouette
of an older woman and then she's like mom like
like in a very almost like a desperate way like
she wants her mom to be there yeah it's gone
and i feel like that has the same impact as you
want as a jump scare because it comes out of
nowhere but it actually informs the story. Yes.
It's not just a cheap thrill. Haunting a house
on the hill and Bly Manor works so well with
the hidden ghosts. Yeah. Is that if you don't
know that they're there, they can be very unsettling
just to see. Yes. No, absolutely. There's like
some quiet lore there. Yeah. And in the case
of Bly Manor, they actually explain where all
those ghosts are. And that was my favorite part
of watching the original show and it was going
under the air and being like, here's all the
fucking ghosts you missed, bro. I'm like, oh
my God, they were there the whole time. Yeah.
And I'm like, oh. Well, that's my thing, too.
I think jump scares can work. They can. But with
Slenderman, the entire thing is jump scare. You
can't build a whole entire... Yeah, you need
atmosphere. You gotta do... It's a balance, you
know? And, like, I will also say, atmospheric
versus jump scare can be 70 -30 atmospheric.
PT has some awesome jump scares. Right, because
they build up the atmosphere. Exactly. And so
that's why I think it's a good mix to it. We
are running out of time. We're getting past the
hour. Cool. We've got another episode to record
laying you behind the curtain. Yeah. So we're
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