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You know what that sound means, it's another

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episode of Game for a Movie, where we ask are

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you game for a movie? I am your host Mike, joined

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by Andre, Jill, Mitchell, hi friends, we have

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the whole group together, this is amazing. It's

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been Zoom calls. It's been everything under the

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sun, it felt like, for a little while. We did

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Google Hangout. I was on your phone for a little

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bit. Yes, it's true. I lived inside your phone.

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Yes. Your search history is shocking. Yeah, I

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know. I should have cleared that years ago. It's

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nice to be all together again. It is. It is,

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and not to have you looking at my search history.

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In cognito mode, my friend. All right, all right.

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That's fair. What are we drinking, though? I

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am drinking the dogfish head pumpkin ale. Pumpkin.

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Pumpkin. It's a little punky, yeah. Is it punky,

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Brewster? Maybe, yeah. Okay, all right. And we're

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on the spectrum of squash to pie. This is kind

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of right smack dab in the middle. I feel like

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that's a very bad answer, but it's pretty sweet.

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It's like pumpkin pie, but you can tell there's

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some... Squash to pie, I like that. Squash to

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beer spectrum, although I did not create that.

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It was inspired by a YouTuber who had a spectrum

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a couple years ago on. How dare you. Oh, interesting.

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It's a good range, squash to pie. Yeah. I like

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that. It is a good range. I knew exactly what

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you meant when you were saying it. Yeah. So,

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all right. Halfway between squash and pie. Yeah,

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it's a good pumpkin beer. You match with your

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t -shirt there. Guys. Gotta rep the Browns, man.

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Do you? But do you? Do you? You do. Do you really?

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You do, man. You do. You absolutely do. See,

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I'm not repping the Bears today because I've

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learned that I can't rep the Bears and then they

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win. So I've got just a navy shirt on. See, I'm

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still... You're repping Walk the Moon? I am repping

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Walk the Moon. I'm still in the mode of... I've

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rooted for the Browns long enough that every

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time they win, even though they're better than

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most years... Every time they win, it's still

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a shock to me. Bears are playing the Packers.

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It hasn't yet, and it still feels good. So, dog

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check. Dog check. Cleveland! This is for you!

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Alright, Jill, what do you got over there? I

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am drinking down east. Pumpkin cider. Squashed

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a pie? On the scale of squashed a pie, this is

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definitely more on the pie side. I figured that

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might be, yeah, it's cider. Zero is squash. Five

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is pie. This is probably a four. Okay. Oh, that's

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solid. Yeah. Very solid. Yeah. But it's delicious.

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I love Down East. It's a local blend from Boston.

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Nice. Two big thumbs up. Nice. Okay. I like it.

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You're not matching. No. But it's nice. I don't

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actually own anything orange. Yeah, I mean, it's

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a rough call. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I know,

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right. If we ever got the store up and running,

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we might have some orange shirts. Maybe your

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mom can knit me an orange sweater or something.

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Yeah, okay. Oh, nice. Mitchell, what do you got

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there? Yeah, so I went to the Packy, as they

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call it. Packy. Oh, yes. And I did want to get

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a pumpkin -style brew, but I pivoted because

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I saw this lovely puffer fish that's on this

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can here. It's Fugu by Tox Brewing Company, and

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it seemed to be super popular. This is the last

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four -pack available, and I'm like, you know

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what? I'm going to grab it. It's an IPA, and

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I'm just going to say it's pretty good. It's

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pretty good. It's pretty good. It's an IPA. It's

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pretty, pretty, pretty good. Good. Pretty good.

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And I love the art. Yes. It is beautiful. And

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sometimes that's why you have to buy them. When

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Tox was first coming up, their logo is what got

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me because it's a little tree frog there. Yes.

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And that little tree frog is beautiful. It's

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greenish blue. It is a nice looking logo. He's

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got a little diver's helmet on. Oh, it's so special.

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And I believe they're based in New London. Yes.

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It says North Haven on the can. Rooted and packaged

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by 12 % North Haven. Oh, so it's back to 12%.

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Oh, gotcha. Because 12 % probably distributes

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from them. Ah, I see. There it is. Okay, alright.

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Jill the librarian. Look at that. I see you.

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I've got Jack. Shack's Abbey Smokin' Dagger.

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Shack's Abbey, I believe, is from Massachusetts.

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I know it's in the area. I just can't remember.

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Yeah, Massachusetts. This is a smoky beer. And

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I found it when I was on the knack for smoky

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beers, and it's pretty damn good. What gives

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it the smoky flavor? Love. What is love? It doesn't

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literally have the ingredients on here, so I

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may be drinking something I'm allergic to. Who

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knows? Okay. Smoke is just me having an attack.

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Excellent. Great. Love it. I really don't know,

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actually. Yeah, it's probably like roasted hops

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or something. Something delicious, you know.

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I think a good smoky beer is hard to come by.

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Yes. But once you do find it. Right. Well, and

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that's the thing. I do like these. And I remember

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first getting them when we were playing D &D

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because it just felt fitting. Yes. And, you know,

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when I think of this beer, I do think of the

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fall. And I think of spooky things like our movies

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we have today. Oh! Segway! Segway on us? Oh,

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my God. I wasn't prepared. Yes, I did a motorized

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scooter on you. Wow. Love it. Segway. I love

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it. Don't pull off a clip on him. Please don't.

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Yeah, that is a weird fact. The creator of the

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Segway died by flying off a cliff. So not the

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creator. Not the creator? So the guy who bought

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the... The licensor or whatever, right? Oh my

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God. The guy who acquired the company and died.

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Oh, I thought it was the creator. There was a

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really good podcast. news article about the Segway

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launch and it was written from the journalist

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who like broke the story and it explains like

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One, how everything just went wrong. And then

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two, how the actual creator of the Segway just

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loved this idea so much that he kind of wanted

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to keep it as much cloak and dagger secret as

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he could. So like when it was launched, it was

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like the big idea. It's like, it's IT. I remember

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IT. Yeah. And then everybody thought it was going

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to be one thing, but because the creator kept

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it all like under wraps, it kind of fed the idea.

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And then when it was released. It was not anything.

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It was cool, but not like... Well, now every

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city everywhere has Segway tours and everything.

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But at the time, it was... I think the marketing

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really screwed the potential. It was an oversight.

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What is it? It was just so expensive, too. No

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one could afford one. Yeah. That's a big part

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of that. Yeah, it is definitely not a personal

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thing. I think it was an article. If I find it,

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I'll share it with you guys. It was a good reason.

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Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Random Segway fact. And

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I don't think it's the first time this has been

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mentioned on this podcast. Segway facts? Take

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a drink for the Segway facts. Okay. Cheers. Cheers.

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Enjoy that radio silence right there while we

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all drink. Exactly. So spooky movies is what

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we are going to start with. We'll see where this

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goes because we're kind of free -flowing it.

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And I love this feeling. Yeah. But we're kind

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of free -flowing it. We're off the reins. Mic

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unchained. Sure. I don't know. You know I usually

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come in, I'm like, let's do this, let's do this,

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let's do this. So yeah, I guess I'm a little

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unchained. A little loosey -goosey. A little

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loosey -goosey, exactly. I like it. So you know

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what that is, Chris? Yeah. So it is October currently.

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I am currently watching a ton of scary movies.

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Ones I have not seen. So like I saw Hellfest

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or whatever that movie was that came out. What

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is Hellfest? I'm not familiar with that one.

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Hellfest. It's like 2018, I think. Okay. I was

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not prepared to go down this rabbit hole, but

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I'm here for it. Okay. Basically, Hellfest. Yeah,

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it was 2018. A mass serial killer turns a horror

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-themed amusement park into his own personal

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playground, terrorizing a group of friends while

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the rest of the patrons believe that it is all

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part of the show. Wow. Okay. That is the IMDb

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description. And it was good. Like, it was fairly

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good. It's, you know, the kills. So here's my

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scale. Creativity of the movie. Creativity of

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the Kills, and then finally storyline, plot,

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that kind of stuff. So is this kind of like a

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Gorefest kind of movie, or more like an elaborate

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saw? No, I mean, it's a serial killer killing

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people. It's not over -the -top physical deformity.

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blood, that kind of stuff. So it's not Saw, it's

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more like Scream? Yeah, it's more like Scream.

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It's more like Scream. It is. And that's what

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they're definitely trying for. And it's funny

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that one of the people that was in this, I need

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to look up her name, went on to be in the Scream

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TV show. Bex Taylor -Klaus. Oh, okay. So she

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was in the Scream TV show as well. So she is

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a Scream queen. I would say so, yes. But not

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the show. Not the show, yes. But maybe you recognize

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her? No, nothing? No. Okay. I will say this is

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not my genre unless it gets a super high rating

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on IMDb. Then that's when I'm watching that horror

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movie. Yeah, that's probably the one that I would

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say is the... Nope, I take it back. I watched

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the Banana Splits movie. That was fun. Okay,

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okay. Oh, have you not heard of the Banana Splits

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movie? The Banana Splits movie. You remember

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the Banana Splits? Like the characters? La, la,

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la, la, la, la, la. Yeah, they're like in big

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mascot costumes. This is like in the 90s? This

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is like in the 60s, 70s, dude. Or is it that

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old? No, Banana Splits. Banana Splits is a little

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different. Yeah, so I would say it's closer to

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like... how Chuck E. Cheese used to put out their

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characters on a stage to perform. What? And that's

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what they look like. No, I'm familiar with the

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California Raisins. It's not the Banana Splits.

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Well, right. So the Banana Splits got a movie

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in 2019 for no reason. Like, it came out of nowhere.

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The reason is... The reason is Five Nights at

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Freddy's, let's be real. Yeah, well... You know,

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like... So that was a lot of interest in mascot

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themed horror, you know? Right. So exactly. But

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like this one is literally their robots. They

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are malfunctioning and they start killing adults

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off. Okay. That sounds like FNAF. That's FNAF.

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Yeah. Yeah. And they kill the adults, but protect

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the kids. But it gets super dark, super fun though,

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because like it is, they're, they're goofy. They're

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zany, that kind of stuff. So like literally a

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guy gets killed with a, uh, one of them's a magician

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so he like does a part where he puts him in the

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box with the saw and everything like that and

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he has the girl help him like saw him apart and

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like it is gory bloody Fun. Wow. That's what

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you wanted in a movie. That is exactly what I

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wanted in the Banana Splits movie. It's not a

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great movie. I'm not saying go see it right away,

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but it's just fun like that. The way that killer

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sofa is fun. Yes, exactly. You said you saw a

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fun, spooky movie. Yeah, I did. I don't know

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if... Spooky would be appropriate. I can't say

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that I was too afraid, much to Will Arnett's

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disappointment. I'm talking about the new Disney

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Plus special, The Muppets Haunted Mansion. Yeah.

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This makes me so excited. You know what? Going

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into it, I had very little knowledge. I had seen

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a trailer for it. I knew the great Gonzo was

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going to be the main character. His sidekick

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was going to be Pepe the King Prawn. And that

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was it. And you know what? I love Pepe. I'm not

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going to lie. This was like a four out of five

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experience for me. Wow. This was so refreshing.

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Nice. Oh, that's awesome. What do you mean by

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refreshing? So since Disney acquired the Muppets,

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they have really struggled to figure out what

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to do with them. Yeah. They've had some success.

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So Jason Segel's film in the early 2010s. I love

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that movie. Yeah, it's great. That movie understood

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what the Muppets are, what they need to be, how

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they work. Klaus and I went to that movie opening

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day. I know you two know Klaus. Yeah. Claus and

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I went to that movie opening day, and we were

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the two creepy, like, 24, 25 -year -olds sitting

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in a movie theater watching The Muppets. But

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then after that, they just... kind of fell apart

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again. There's the Muppets Most Wanted film,

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which is kind of the direct sequel to the Muppets.

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I do not like Muppets Most Wanted at all. I don't

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either. I don't understand the characters. And

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then you've had the... But it did give us evil

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Kermit meme. I guess it did. Oh, it did, actually.

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Oh my god, that's where it's from. Evil Russian

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Kermit. Screw him. Then we had the documentary

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-style TV show that was all... The Office, which

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you didn't get it. And then we have now the Muppets

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web series. Oh, I didn't know they even had a

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web series. That's on Disney+. The framing device

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is that they're uploading segments for a YouTube

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or a blog series. So I feel like I'm not as big

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a Muppets fan as you are. I'm surprised how many

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of those I have seen. I've seen the three out

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of four on that. the most recent muppet properties

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and i think the reason that the muppets my haunted

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mansion really works is that they give the proper

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setup for how the muppets are going to be interacting

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with the larger world around them okay so the

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general plot is that it's halloween night got

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the great gonzo who always does stunts and things

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he's going over to a haunted mansion to prove

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that he's the most bravest courageous daredevil

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individual that there is by spending one whole

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night in the mansion. It belonged to the great

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MacGuffin, this magician. His name is MacGuffin.

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Literally, he is MacGuffin. The great MacGuffin.

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That is amazing. At least he's not the plot Muppet.

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So along the ride is Pepe the King Cron. He's

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coming along because he thinks there's going

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to be some awesome Halloween parties. He's there

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for the show. Of course he is. He just wants

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to do a party. Of course he is. Yeah. He names

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a few people, including Bard Pits. Bard Pits.

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Love it. He says other names appropriately. He

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names off some real celebrities and then ends

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with Bard Pits. Is Jason Segel one of them? Jason

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Segel's not one of them. Bradley Cooper, I think

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he names. Alright, Bardley Cooper, got it. Bard

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Pits. Oh my god. And they get to the mansion

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and shenanigans ensue. Shenanigans ensue by one...

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creepy butler who's portrayed by Will Arnett

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who I did not know was in this movie it's a Muppet

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film there's gonna be celebrity cameos here and

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there some are bigger than others but Will Arnett

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pops up and I'm like oh I didn't know he was

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in this and he's definitely having a time of

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it he is he gets to say the welcome foolish mortals

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line but I think he changed it to welcome foolish

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Muppets yes he's enjoying this and I'll say right

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now that the film follows the layout of the ride

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where they have this stretching room. You see

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the grinning ghosts in the graveyard. I've got

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a fun fact about the ride. I've never ridden

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it. No! Never. It's always been either under

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construction or way too long a line. And I just,

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it didn't seem worth it. I know one of those

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you go right at the beginning of the day or at

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the end. Because once you're in line, they can't

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throw you off. Right. Well, the thing is always

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I wanted to see it at night. And it was always,

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like, broken down or too long. I would say once

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you're inside, it doesn't matter. If the sun's

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out outside, you're completely in that room.

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It's not like you're going to see it at night.

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So the film follows the movement of the ride,

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but it's not committed to the whole arc, the

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story of the ride. And for those who might not

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know, there are four haunted mansions, Disney

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World, Florida, Disneyland, California, Euro

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Disney, or Disneyland Paris, and then Shanghai.

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Shanghai. Or Tokyo. No, yeah, Tokyo has it. I

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don't think Shanghai has one. Maybe there are

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five. But there's different houses, and they

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all actually have different stories. Oh, I didn't

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know that. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. So

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the story and characters, because it's Constance.

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halloway or something or other the bride okay

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in the ball right or is that a different person

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like the if you've been to the one in disney

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world florida it's the ghost bride is constance

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so the okay i have an answer for you if you want

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the rides yeah so there is walt disney world

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yeah disneyland okay disney paris yep and then

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there's two more tokyo and hong kong which is

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the small one yes so five yes five total five

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and they're all different houses um so constance

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is the plot who appears in at least the one in

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Florida. Yeah. I feel like I've seen that one

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and I've only been on the one. And it has nothing

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to do with the Eddie Murphy movie. No, no. I

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asked, I was like, is this like, is not Eddie

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Murphy going to show up, but is this supposed

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to be? And like the one with Eddie Murphy is

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nothing to do with. I would have asked which

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one's better. It sounds like this one. This is

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better. Okay. Yeah. So we have Will Arnett. Taraji...

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Taraji P. Henson. Yeah, she plays the bride.

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Nice. Darren Criss pops up. Okay. And then those

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are the big names. Then the rest, you got some

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puppet, Muppet actors who are pretty reoccurring.

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So they get to the mansion and we meet Darren

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Criss as the undertaker and he bursts into song

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and I just turned to Andre and I'm like, it's

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a musical! There weren't that many songs, though.

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No, there weren't. There was like maybe four?

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Five, four, five. Still counts as a musical.

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Yeah, I guess. So at this point, I'm very happy

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because, you know, Muppets and music are interconnected.

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Right. That's how they've always been. Absolutely.

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And what's really fantastic is that Gonzo is

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just kind of sitting back. He's like, oh, it's

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like show. This is so fantastic because he's

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genuinely not afraid of what's going to happen.

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Right. He thinks he's in for the ride. Pepe,

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on the other hand, is freaking out already. Yeah.

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And this is why it works so well. He's like.

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If you've seen the 1970s Muppet show, the plot

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environment for that is that they're putting,

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they own this theater, they're putting on a show

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every night, you're seeing the different sketches.

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Right. The way that the Muppets Haunted Mansion

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works is roughly the same. Each room or each

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section of the mansion is another sketch. And

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they set it up really early that things are going

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to look really familiar to Gonzo because the

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house is going to work with... what they know

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and their fears so miss piggy appears in the

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beginning um in like a video call that gonz is

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having with kermit because they're having a halloween

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party okay then later in the mansion she plays

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madame pagoda she'll let that go i gotta put

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that under underneath you know right why did

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you hide the hide because joe was in the middle

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she was right fine it was amazing fine all right

00:19:01.410 --> 00:19:04.109
jeez so you have like madame pagoda instead of

00:19:04.109 --> 00:19:08.269
madame leota okay yeah the hitchhiking ghosts

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which first appear as different muppets and then

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you actually at the end they show like the proper

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ones okay so like they actually explain why familiar

00:19:15.549 --> 00:19:18.329
muppet characters are appearing right in different

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yeah yeah yeah um Not really dead, just appearing.

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Yeah, they just appear because the house knows.

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Yeah. And it's just a really fun 52 minutes.

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Like I said, it's got... Oh, that is amazing.

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52 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breath of fresh

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air. Wait, so there's only four or five songs

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in a 52 -minute film? Yeah, I know. It's 100

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% a musical. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm not saying

00:19:42.289 --> 00:19:44.230
it isn't, but it's more like the songs are spaced

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out pretty wide. Okay. I've definitely watched

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a lot of musicals that songs are way tighter

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packed together. Yeah, okay. All right, all right,

00:19:51.730 --> 00:19:53.349
all right. It's probably maybe 10 % of the runtime

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of the song, maybe. Yeah, and all the actors,

00:19:56.609 --> 00:19:58.390
the celebrity actors look like they're having

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the time of their life. Of course. Whoever wrote

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this really understands how the Muppets work.

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Who doesn't want to do a Muppets movie? I don't

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know. Yeah, I wonder. I think our generation

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and older. Yes. I would say it's like probably

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a lot of younger. Yeah. Like how about this is

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coming. This is like Tom Holland's going to take

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some straight pot shots here, but he's the first

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person I could think of where I don't think he

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would dive with it. I have no reason to think

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that other than his age, you know what I mean?

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Like it's like, so Darren Criss being in this

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makes a lot of sense. And he's, you know, our

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generation, I would say roughly. He was born

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in 87. A little north of us. Wait, what the hell?

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Was he a 27 -year -old high schooler? Yeah. Oh,

00:20:39.750 --> 00:20:42.910
my God. Hey, he's Dear Evan Hansen. Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, my God. Yep, there it is. But I will say

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that watching it, if I had a, let's say, 7 to

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10 -year -old watching it, there are a few parts

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that I think would be not scary to them. Eye

00:21:00.210 --> 00:21:03.710
covering parts? Maybe. Not freaky. So there's

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a scene where Gonzo has to confront his greatest

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fear and they do some really cool effects with

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aging him up. You know what? I was going to make

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a joke and I took it away. It's very, very freaky.

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I was going to say his search history. This is

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not Avenue Q. This is not Avenue Q. Internet

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for porn. So that's a little freaky. They make

00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.740
some other allusions to some ghost characters,

00:21:35.819 --> 00:21:38.259
how they may or may not have died. So there's

00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:40.019
just some things in there that for a slightly

00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:43.519
younger audience, it might be spooky, but not

00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.700
terrifying. Definitely for all ages, though.

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Disney +, Disney whoever, just keep making things

00:21:51.259 --> 00:21:54.170
like this. If you need to just put a Muppet skin

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on every single ride to get a good story out

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of it, do it. Yeah. So I'm going to give a shout

00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:03.009
out to a podcast that I love called Watching

00:22:03.009 --> 00:22:06.809
Comics Podcast. They did a segment on one of

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their shows. If any... comic book movie could

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get the Muppets treatment, where it's like one

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human character and everybody else is Muppets,

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what would you choose? Guardians immediately

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came to mind. Wow. Guardians would be great.

00:22:20.980 --> 00:22:24.240
I said Green Lantern. Oh, that'd be good. I think

00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.000
it would be more fun. I think that's a better

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glow -up, too. I think it would just be better

00:22:28.660 --> 00:22:32.680
as a movie. Kermit as the Green Lantern. I'm

00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.440
getting rid of Ryan Reynolds. Who's staying human?

00:22:36.819 --> 00:22:41.240
I want... Blake Lively. Blake Lively's a good

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choice. No, who was the bad guy in that? What

00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:48.819
about Sinestro? Oh, Sinestro. Was it Hector Hammond

00:22:48.819 --> 00:22:50.799
or was it Sinestro in that movie? Well, Sinestro

00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:52.779
was in that movie. I think they teased him going

00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:54.480
back. It was going to be like Green Lantern 2

00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.920
or whatever. I think it's Hector Hammond who's

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the bad guy in that movie. Right. He has a ginormous

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head, so I don't know if we can pull that off.

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Maybe he becomes a Muppet when he turns into

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a ginormous head. There you go. He turns into

00:23:07.779 --> 00:23:12.160
Sam the Eagle in his gigantic forehead. You know,

00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:14.720
the humor was all right, too. When I say all

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right, I mean literally this is correct. This

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is the right type of humor for the Muppet. So

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they make a couple jokes early on. And then they

00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:22.440
explain a joke, and then later they're like,

00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:24.079
don't worry, we're not going to explain everything

00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.500
to you. But it's just so in spirit of Muppet.

00:23:27.579 --> 00:23:29.160
Yeah, it felt authentic. It's just like, finally,

00:23:29.619 --> 00:23:31.980
what a breath of fresh air. Nice. So I highly

00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:34.279
recommend this. Like I said, it's a nice 52 minutes

00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.599
long. It does not outstay its wealth. That's

00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.569
fantastic. I can ignore the fact and forgive

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that I don't like the way that Kermit sounds

00:23:41.569 --> 00:23:45.069
anymore. I mean, that's an impossible situation.

00:23:45.369 --> 00:23:46.789
Yeah, I don't know how you're going to get through

00:23:46.789 --> 00:23:49.450
that one. Whitmore was dismissed, so he's not

00:23:49.450 --> 00:23:51.269
coming back. I also found out what happened to

00:23:51.269 --> 00:23:53.609
Rizzo the Rat, which was also kind of sad. Because

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if you grew up in the 90s, Gonzo and Rizzo were

00:23:56.009 --> 00:23:58.230
the team up. Right. So wait, what happened to

00:23:58.230 --> 00:24:01.990
the Rat? The voice actor and muppeteer for Rizzo

00:24:01.990 --> 00:24:06.099
was also dismissed from the... the company um

00:24:06.099 --> 00:24:08.980
following a controversy that's all i that's all

00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:10.519
i read and then i'm like i don't want i don't

00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.220
want that's fair fantastic yep so it sounds like

00:24:13.220 --> 00:24:15.660
this is going to join the likes of a muppet's

00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:17.819
christmas yes and that's i think another reason

00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:19.640
why it works it's very similar to the christmas

00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.000
carol treasure island things like that i still

00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.779
need to watch treasure island but i still like

00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:27.279
christmas carol more than this probably you get

00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:32.269
michael crane in it yeah michael flipping good

00:24:32.269 --> 00:24:35.690
in that movie. Yes, he is. As he once said, I'm

00:24:35.690 --> 00:24:38.349
not going to do anything Muppety. Is that the

00:24:38.349 --> 00:24:41.549
best Michael Caine role? I'm willing to put it

00:24:41.549 --> 00:24:42.890
on the table. It's in the top five in my opinion,

00:24:42.910 --> 00:24:45.069
honestly. That's my favorite telling of the Christmas

00:24:45.069 --> 00:24:46.829
Carol is the Muppets one. That's fair. Because

00:24:46.829 --> 00:24:50.170
it's also very faithful. I'll say this. It's

00:24:50.170 --> 00:24:52.809
definitely my favorite Scrooge to film interpretation

00:24:52.809 --> 00:24:55.589
for sure. Yeah. I really like the Disney one,

00:24:55.750 --> 00:24:57.950
mainly because of how Goofy plays Marley at the

00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:00.329
beginning. Like, in terms of making me laugh.

00:25:00.569 --> 00:25:04.289
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought you were talking

00:25:04.289 --> 00:25:06.710
about, like, the real -life animated one with

00:25:06.710 --> 00:25:09.490
Jim Carrey. No, not that one. I thought that's

00:25:09.490 --> 00:25:10.670
what you were talking about. That was creepy.

00:25:12.910 --> 00:25:15.630
It's creepy to me. For me, it's creepy. For me,

00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:20.230
yeah. Yes. It's the same thing, right? It's the

00:25:20.230 --> 00:25:21.549
same guy. It's Robert Zemeckis. Robert Zemeckis,

00:25:21.650 --> 00:25:24.230
exactly, yeah. Yeah, I can't do... Express either

00:25:24.230 --> 00:25:26.509
I can't do that can't do Beowulf like I forgot

00:25:26.509 --> 00:25:29.130
how many movies in that style you were there

00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:31.430
when I found out that Beowulf was animated yeah

00:25:31.430 --> 00:25:35.349
I didn't know that because I didn't watch it

00:25:35.349 --> 00:25:38.589
in school so I was like oh they're cartoons or

00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:41.359
they're real people It's not good. No, it's not.

00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.759
Beowulf is the first, that movie is the first

00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:45.819
origin of the hot titty she -love effect, you

00:25:45.819 --> 00:25:48.539
know what I mean? Like, take this Grendel's mother,

00:25:48.740 --> 00:25:50.940
they made the turn of Angelina Jolie, right?

00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.799
It's like, what? Unapologetically, it's Angelina

00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:55.440
Jolie. Yeah, like, it's just, okay, it's just

00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.839
Angelina Jolie in a skin suit, like. Cool. Well,

00:25:57.900 --> 00:25:59.680
all right. I hate to change the subject, but

00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.400
I want to hear from more people on this show

00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.900
as well. Ratings is four out of five red herrings

00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:08.039
for me. Yeah. Oh, me? You watched it, too. Yeah,

00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:13.539
it's true. Three out of, 3 .5 illusions out of

00:26:13.539 --> 00:26:17.380
five. Okay. In deference to Joe, who, from, you

00:26:17.380 --> 00:26:19.359
know, Will Arnett, Joe, they're not trickster,

00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.460
whatever, it's fine. Okay. Will Arnett plays

00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:24.640
the, never mind, okay. It's fine. It's cool.

00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.279
You guys should watch the movie. It's great.

00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.579
Yeah, it's great. Going back to our uncanny CGI

00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:33.740
conversation, because I'm sure the CGI was great

00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:35.940
on the movie you're going to talk about, Mitchell.

00:26:37.289 --> 00:26:39.349
Some backstory here. I'm talking about Venom.

00:26:39.349 --> 00:26:42.670
Let there be carnage. It sucks. It sucks. It

00:26:42.670 --> 00:26:45.710
sucks. God, it's awful. Some people liked it.

00:26:45.990 --> 00:26:49.490
Okay, so I'll say this. I'm a snob, but I do

00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:52.650
understand that you... Yeah, me. You? There are

00:26:52.650 --> 00:26:56.049
movies you have to meet them at their level,

00:26:56.109 --> 00:26:58.329
which is exactly how I approached the first Venom,

00:26:58.349 --> 00:27:00.789
and I really loved it. I loved how Tom Hardy

00:27:00.789 --> 00:27:03.809
was so dedicated to the Eddie Brock role, and

00:27:03.809 --> 00:27:05.730
his voice performance for Venom was so much fun.

00:27:05.730 --> 00:27:07.680
Still one of my favorites. superhero roles because

00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.339
of the fact we never got the glow -up cute moment

00:27:10.339 --> 00:27:13.799
like hot moment oh no he looked like trash oh

00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.740
yeah entirety of the movie that's the thing is

00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:17.119
that at the beginning of the movie he's down

00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:18.660
in his dumps and at the end of the movie and

00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:21.180
she's still pretty he's still pretty bad yeah

00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.920
he's still got like a sweat stain sweatshirt

00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.640
on like you know yeah we'll say that shitty apartment

00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.180
in san francisco still costs like 500 i'm sure

00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:33.559
easy yeah But, and by the way, the lobster scene

00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.119
in the first movie, I think is still like the

00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.640
gold standard of what you could do with Tom Hardy

00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.819
as Venom. Anyway, so going into this movie, and

00:27:42.819 --> 00:27:45.220
we were just watching MIB 2 upstairs. Yes, Men

00:27:45.220 --> 00:27:48.380
in Black 2. Looking at the CGI of that movie,

00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.359
I'd say it's just about as good as what I saw.

00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.099
Wow. Oh, no. It's not good. That's not good for

00:27:56.099 --> 00:28:00.980
a movie. with a lot of CGI in it. Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:04.440
When was that? Like 2004. Okay. Sounds about

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.640
right. I'm on it. And look, I'm being an asshole.

00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:09.420
Like, of course, it's a little bit better than

00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:11.619
me. So, of course, it's a little bit better.

00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.400
But there are some things I really liked about

00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.480
this movie. So, I want to get those out the way

00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.160
first. 2002. Wow. So, 19 years later, not much

00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.700
progress. Jesus. By the way, Sony, by the way.

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.039
It's still Sony. It's still Sony. So, I will

00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.410
say this, 90 minutes. That is so refreshing.

00:28:29.630 --> 00:28:31.630
You want to talk about just like a run time,

00:28:31.809 --> 00:28:34.109
especially for a comic. Actually, 97 minutes.

00:28:34.289 --> 00:28:37.569
Oh, excuse me. Yeah. Some of those minutes are

00:28:37.569 --> 00:28:40.470
true. Credits. I would say that's true because

00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:42.430
there is a mid -credits scene that you have to

00:28:42.430 --> 00:28:45.809
watch. Oh. I spoiled myself on it. I was like,

00:28:45.849 --> 00:28:47.390
I don't want to watch this movie. I'm going to

00:28:47.390 --> 00:28:49.829
just watch the credits. Of all the things, that

00:28:49.829 --> 00:28:53.509
was what was spoiled for me. Okay. Which is fine,

00:28:53.630 --> 00:28:56.769
but at the end of the day, I wish I wasn't. Yeah,

00:28:56.769 --> 00:29:00.799
right. But the runtime was great. Tom Hardy doing

00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.619
his thing. Really surprised Michelle Williams

00:29:03.619 --> 00:29:06.200
also understood the assignment. Oh, okay. Michelle

00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.519
Williams killed it in the first one. I'm not

00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:10.240
shocked that she killed it in the second one.

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.299
She was given a little bit more to do. Did you

00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:14.640
guess? No, no, she did. You're right. She did,

00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.279
but she was given a little bit more and a little

00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.880
bit more campy things to do, too. She was just

00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.079
like, I'm in. The first movie had exactly one

00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.299
moment with her letting her be kind of campy

00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:26.779
in it, I feel like. The She -Venom? Yes, exactly.

00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.420
Is that what it's called? I don't know. This

00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:32.160
is Andy Serkis directing this film. And that

00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.779
is the thing, too. I think the overall direction,

00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.519
a lot of the choices made from a filmmaker's

00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.019
point of view, even if you're meeting it at the

00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:44.240
campy level, does not work. For example, this

00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.759
movie opens with Woody Harrelson's character.

00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.099
He plays Carnage. Back when he's a little bit

00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:52.559
younger, he's locked up, and you see him talking.

00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.779
When you see this young actor, who is not Woody

00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:58.990
Harrelson, speak. They didn't even de -age him.

00:29:59.069 --> 00:30:01.289
What they did was they got a younger actor and

00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:05.130
they dubbed Woody Harrelson's voice in for this

00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:08.269
dude's lines. Oh, no. And we're talking like

00:30:08.269 --> 00:30:11.769
two to three lines, but still, it's enough to

00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:15.009
completely take you out of the movie just as

00:30:15.009 --> 00:30:17.390
it started. What do you got? So, I was just looking

00:30:17.390 --> 00:30:20.210
up Andy Serkis' directing credits. He has five

00:30:20.210 --> 00:30:22.410
of them. Okay. Yeah, he's got the Jungle Book

00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:25.150
movie. The Mowgli legend of whatever. Yeah, yeah.

00:30:25.609 --> 00:30:31.440
Second unit on. one of the Hobbits. So he was

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.480
the director for Venom Let There Be Carnage,

00:30:33.579 --> 00:30:36.319
Mowgli, Legend of the Jungle, The Ruins of Empires,

00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:39.660
which is a TV movie, Breathe, and Heavenly Sword,

00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.700
which is a video game. Wait, what? Hold on, hold

00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:44.720
on, hold on. Was he a cinematic director on that?

00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.900
I don't know, maybe. It just says director on

00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:50.900
IMDb. Well, he has two upcoming projects. This

00:30:50.900 --> 00:30:53.180
is what I want to get to. One of these projects

00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:57.289
is called Animal Farm. Oh, as in George Orwell?

00:30:57.410 --> 00:31:00.470
Yes. I didn't know they were doing an adaptation.

00:31:00.609 --> 00:31:03.990
This is blowing my mind on this. When does that

00:31:03.990 --> 00:31:10.009
do? It doesn't say. It's in development. What's

00:31:10.009 --> 00:31:12.569
the other movies? Steelskin? I don't know what

00:31:12.569 --> 00:31:14.230
it's called. It doesn't have a plot or anything

00:31:14.230 --> 00:31:16.970
like that. Animal Farm is supposed to come out

00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:19.630
before Steelskin, so they're both in development.

00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.400
I'll say this. So I've listened to, and I did,

00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.799
I tried to do some homework here. Andy Serkis

00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.579
did do an interview on the big picture where

00:31:28.579 --> 00:31:32.900
he talked about how his first foray into Venom

00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:35.460
wasn't with this movie. It was Tom Hardy reaching

00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.859
out to him before Venom one came out, asking

00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:41.519
for advice on how to play a CGI character with

00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:43.779
all that kind of stuff. Cool. What it turned

00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:47.400
out were, you know, then Tom Hardy did not follow

00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.619
up on that initial conversation. They just ended

00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:51.809
up filming. movie, which was fine. It was a big

00:31:51.809 --> 00:31:54.369
success. I think it made like $700 million or

00:31:54.369 --> 00:31:56.009
something like that. Just a stupid amount of

00:31:56.009 --> 00:31:59.990
money. And then that, I guess, first conversation,

00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:03.730
Tom Hardy, who also gets a story credit in this

00:32:03.730 --> 00:32:06.750
movie, reached out to Andy. He's just like, hey,

00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:08.769
I know I didn't follow up last time, but we'd

00:32:08.769 --> 00:32:11.990
love you to direct the sequel. So he came back

00:32:11.990 --> 00:32:15.170
and did that. And I think a lot of the CGI stuff...

00:32:15.339 --> 00:32:17.740
Venom is as funny as he was in the first movie.

00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.460
I think a lot of it is that physical performance

00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:22.400
that you see in the CGI, though it doesn't look

00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.960
good. Like the actual puppeteering of it all

00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:26.859
is good. The cinematography, that's not the right

00:32:26.859 --> 00:32:28.759
word, but the actual choreography, the choreography

00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.220
is good. What they wanted out of the performance

00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:35.920
was good, but it's used using PS2 level graphics.

00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.680
Yeah, right. Got it. Yeah, so that's one of my

00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.779
gripes there. The movie flies at a comic book

00:32:43.779 --> 00:32:46.180
level pace, which is why it's able to clock in

00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:48.859
at 97 minutes. And sometimes that's perfect.

00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.599
Sometimes that's perfect. One of my favorite

00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.480
moments is Venom's about to fight Carnage. He

00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.319
sees that Carnage is red and Venom chickens out.

00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:01.150
He's just like, nope. I don't want to fight him.

00:33:01.390 --> 00:33:03.589
That's a red one. He's a red one. It's in the

00:33:03.589 --> 00:33:06.690
trailer. Yeah. And I'm like, that is perfect.

00:33:06.789 --> 00:33:08.289
Because when I saw that in the trailer, I thought

00:33:08.289 --> 00:33:10.150
we were going to get some backstory as to why

00:33:10.150 --> 00:33:12.170
the red one is more powerful than him, blah,

00:33:12.269 --> 00:33:15.089
blah, blah. We did not. We just go right into

00:33:15.089 --> 00:33:17.210
the fight. And I'm just like, that's all I need

00:33:17.210 --> 00:33:20.029
as an audience. So Venom's racist. Got it. Venom

00:33:20.029 --> 00:33:22.910
is partially racist. All you need to know...

00:33:24.840 --> 00:33:27.220
Wow. I'm just thinking of all of the fucking

00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:30.039
socioeconomic ramifications of Venom's homeworld

00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.700
now. The fuck up part is Venom is Carnage's dad.

00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:38.660
What? What? Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.339
That's how they play that role in the movie.

00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.359
That Venom, technically, the symbiote, is Carnage's

00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.339
dad. Yes. Wow. And Carnage calls Venom that.

00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.180
He calls him that, like, verbally, you hear that

00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:54.119
sentence somewhere in this movie. Wow. So, there

00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.119
are some weird choices like that. I could have

00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:02.259
lived without it. Alright, fair enough. But overall,

00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.500
you don't get the same laughs, to my level at

00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:08.460
least, from the first one. The first one I laughed

00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:11.579
so much, too. It was great in a very charming

00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:13.699
way, and it does not succeed at that level with

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:16.260
this movie. But was it a lot of fun? Clearly.

00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.719
I'm explaining this movie to you with a big -ass

00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.199
smile on my face. I had a lot of fun watching

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.619
it. But at the end of the day, I understand that

00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:25.460
this is a solid one -and -a -half -star movie.

00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.159
I'm not going to watch this again. So, yeah.

00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.579
Okay, all right. No, no, no. But understanding

00:34:30.579 --> 00:34:34.659
that I grade very hard. What does that have to

00:34:34.659 --> 00:34:37.119
do? It isn't bad. When there's a trilogy, because

00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.579
let's face it. Oh, there will be. Yeah. Will

00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:42.739
you go see the third one? Yeah. Okay. Because

00:34:42.739 --> 00:34:45.360
of Tom Hardy. Because at the end of the day,

00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:48.119
in terms of commitment from number one to number

00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.159
two. Tom Hardy is all in as Eddie Brock, and

00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.820
he's even more all in as Venom. Yep. And that

00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:56.199
is so much fun, and especially with what you

00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.659
see in the mid -credits scene, I'm definitely

00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:00.619
seeing number three. Yep. I'm definitely seeing

00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:02.179
number three. And I don't want to spoil it here.

00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.280
No, I was guessing there was going to be a third

00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.039
one, because let's face it. Dude, that makes

00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.019
too much money. Exactly. The first one made too

00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:11.920
much money that they... They knew in the second

00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.219
one. That was such a classic, like, one of the

00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:16.099
funniest memes of the year I saw was, like, when

00:35:16.099 --> 00:35:18.960
they, so Sony was pushing out Venom extra, you

00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.480
know, a handful extra weeks at a time because

00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.159
of Delta variant, et cetera, et cetera. And then

00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.019
Shang -Chi came out and it shattered expectations.

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.000
And then the J. Jonah Jameson thing, like, wait,

00:35:28.099 --> 00:35:29.480
we're pushing you out. Like, you know, from,

00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:31.500
like, it was like, you're fired. You're off the

00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:33.539
front page. Yeah, you're off the front page.

00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.400
Hey, you, say, I need you. Yeah, right, exactly.

00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:40.969
Exactly. motion so like i was i did a quick look

00:35:40.969 --> 00:35:42.250
up to see if i could figure out who like the

00:35:42.250 --> 00:35:44.250
mocap actor was for venom and it turns out they

00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:46.570
didn't do any motion capture oh what for number

00:35:46.570 --> 00:35:49.730
two they did not really can you check to see

00:35:49.730 --> 00:35:52.170
if they did on number one because i'd be very

00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:54.429
interested to see that well number one no i have

00:35:54.429 --> 00:35:56.130
this article from three years ago venom didn't

00:35:56.130 --> 00:35:58.210
use motion capture after all after all according

00:35:58.210 --> 00:36:00.690
to tom hardy so in venom one they did not use

00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:03.530
so that's why he never hit andy circus back up

00:36:03.530 --> 00:36:05.309
so i wonder if they did for number two though

00:36:05.309 --> 00:36:09.679
so because i really thought of the high moments,

00:36:09.739 --> 00:36:13.000
it was Venom existing in the world. And he does

00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.780
for quite a while in this movie. Um, but at the

00:36:16.780 --> 00:36:18.480
end of the day, some character choices don't

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.980
make sense. Um, basically motivations are completely

00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:25.000
lost or just discarded in general. And then,

00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.920
yeah, you move in the direction that the script

00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.780
told you to go in without any real motivation.

00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:34.460
So it's not a good movie, but I had a lot of

00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:37.480
fun watching it. Okay. It's one of those things

00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.559
where if you were on a bad movie podcast, it'd

00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.260
be fun to talk about. Sure, yeah. If you were

00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.059
not... Wait a second! If you were not and had

00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:49.820
to pay $14 to see this thing, I'd probably recommend

00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:52.559
another movie. Right. Yeah, okay. You know what

00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.360
I mean? Yeah, that's fair. From what I can find,

00:36:56.380 --> 00:37:00.320
there's some mocap, but it's mostly just CGI.

00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.920
Interesting. And to allow Tom Hardy more freedom

00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.630
to... Do his thing. I wonder if that's why the

00:37:06.630 --> 00:37:10.429
CGI isn't up to par for a lot of this. Calm yourself.

00:37:12.710 --> 00:37:16.090
I wonder if that's why the CGI isn't up to par

00:37:16.090 --> 00:37:18.070
for a lot of this. It's just because there is

00:37:18.070 --> 00:37:21.510
no mocap. You don't have this standard spot that

00:37:21.510 --> 00:37:25.130
we're going to build off of. It's just him. being

00:37:25.130 --> 00:37:27.849
him and them making it after on him. You know,

00:37:27.869 --> 00:37:29.750
for me, it wasn't even about the motion. It was

00:37:29.750 --> 00:37:31.869
more about the look at the end of the day. And

00:37:31.869 --> 00:37:34.630
I'm not sure what goes into what makes something

00:37:34.630 --> 00:37:37.550
look fantastic. Right. Using CGI. Right. I know

00:37:37.550 --> 00:37:39.710
there's probably a good combination of money

00:37:39.710 --> 00:37:41.969
and manpower. Right. And I'm not sure if the

00:37:41.969 --> 00:37:44.110
movie was afforded that, especially with COVID

00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:46.750
and all that. Yeah. Productions completely changed.

00:37:46.869 --> 00:37:49.329
Right. So that may have been something that affected

00:37:49.329 --> 00:37:51.809
it, but I'm not entirely sure. Yeah. I wonder.

00:37:51.929 --> 00:37:54.349
So if you're invested in Venom, definitely see

00:37:54.349 --> 00:37:56.519
it. Definitely do it. It's going to be the same

00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.840
stuff that you saw last time. If you liked the

00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.519
first one, would you like this one, basically?

00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:03.159
Yeah, you'll like it less. Okay, got it. But

00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.599
this is something that you'll probably want to

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.880
watch because, again, if you're in on Venom,

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.650
you're in on Tom Hardy. Yeah, so invested in

00:38:10.650 --> 00:38:11.969
this. Tom Murray's definitely invested in it,

00:38:12.010 --> 00:38:14.309
but I did not like the first one, even in a fun

00:38:14.309 --> 00:38:17.769
way. So call me a snob, I guess. No, then this

00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:19.730
one, my man, is not for you. I haven't actually

00:38:19.730 --> 00:38:21.869
seen the first one yet, or the second one, clearly.

00:38:22.809 --> 00:38:26.309
I want your opinion of seeing the second one

00:38:26.309 --> 00:38:27.309
and then going back to the first one. That is

00:38:27.309 --> 00:38:30.190
actually a classic show move. Let's watch Speed

00:38:30.190 --> 00:38:32.230
2 without seeing Speed 1. Let's watch Venom 2

00:38:32.230 --> 00:38:33.889
without the first one. Okay, Speed 2 was because

00:38:33.889 --> 00:38:35.650
it was forced on her. Yes, I know. It's true.

00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.519
cruise control oh god oh my god that's a bad

00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.760
movie that is a bad movie we have a whole episode

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.980
on it it's terrible yes so you saw a movie I

00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:50.079
did it's a spooky movie I did you probably have

00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:51.820
already heard the episode on it because we have

00:38:51.820 --> 00:38:54.739
a full episode on it beforehand so you rewatched

00:38:54.739 --> 00:38:56.840
it though Oh, wait. What are you talking about?

00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:58.639
Are we talking about Slenderman? I'm talking

00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.099
about Slenderman. Oh, we're talking about Slenderman.

00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:03.039
Okay, yeah. I did watch Slenderman. I just wanted

00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:04.960
to get all the spooky movies off the deck. Mike,

00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.639
what were you talking about? I thought, well,

00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:09.159
since we now record these two at a time, I thought

00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:10.900
we were talking about the bad movie that I watched

00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:13.559
that you heard the episode for last week. Right.

00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:16.420
Yes. Because it is a spooky movie for the bad

00:39:16.420 --> 00:39:19.219
movie. Okay, got it. This is weird because we're

00:39:19.219 --> 00:39:20.900
recording this backwards. I was about to say.

00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.079
So you guys don't even know the movie yet. You've

00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:25.289
listened to it. We haven't seen it. it yet. Right.

00:39:26.289 --> 00:39:28.690
I want to just look behind the curtain. Yeah.

00:39:29.409 --> 00:39:31.869
It's a look behind the curtain. Okay, so originally

00:39:31.869 --> 00:39:34.690
it wasn't downloading because I just came back

00:39:34.690 --> 00:39:37.550
yesterday. Well, really this morning from our

00:39:37.550 --> 00:39:40.769
honeymoon. Congrats. Thank you. Yes. Two years

00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:44.630
overdue, but it's finally happened. I got a movie

00:39:44.630 --> 00:39:47.150
to download before I found the movie that I chose,

00:39:47.349 --> 00:39:49.929
and I'm still not letting you guys know until

00:39:49.929 --> 00:39:52.289
we record the episode backwards. That's fine.

00:39:52.449 --> 00:39:57.320
Yes. So the one I got to load was Slender Man.

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.599
And I watched Slender Man because I thought I

00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.980
was going to talk about it on the podcast. It

00:40:03.980 --> 00:40:09.639
is not as bad as the hype says. It is not a good

00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.860
movie. I'm not telling any of you to see it.

00:40:13.150 --> 00:40:18.010
any of anybody to see it. Mike was pointing at

00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:20.329
the microphone. Yes, exactly. Don't give this

00:40:20.329 --> 00:40:22.849
creepypasta character your money. Yes, exactly.

00:40:23.250 --> 00:40:24.869
Is that the origins of that thing? Yeah, it's

00:40:24.869 --> 00:40:27.389
creepypasta. It's a creepypasta, yeah. I loved

00:40:27.389 --> 00:40:29.710
the Slenderman creepypasta. So when I heard they

00:40:29.710 --> 00:40:31.309
were making a movie, I was intrigued by it. The

00:40:31.309 --> 00:40:34.530
game was awesome. Eight Pages or the other one?

00:40:34.670 --> 00:40:37.030
No, was it called Eight Pages? So there's two

00:40:37.030 --> 00:40:40.179
games. Yeah, there are two. Shit. Eight Pages

00:40:40.179 --> 00:40:43.760
was my favorite. Eight Pages was the one... That's

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:45.300
the one you're in the woods trying to find the

00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:51.139
pages. That one fucking rips. I made one of my

00:40:51.139 --> 00:40:53.639
friends play it in my college dorm and she got

00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.019
so scared she threw the mouse at the monitor

00:40:57.019 --> 00:40:59.219
and broke my monitor. It thinks I'm looking for

00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:03.280
Spider -Man. It's probably a 20 minute long experience

00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:07.179
tops. It totally uses the mechanics of Slenderman

00:41:07.179 --> 00:41:10.469
to its most effective point. Because if you look

00:41:10.469 --> 00:41:12.570
at Slenderman, you don't see him moving on screen.

00:41:12.650 --> 00:41:15.050
You only just see him pop up. You know what I

00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:16.869
mean? You get the sense that he's constantly

00:41:16.869 --> 00:41:20.690
following you. And it's just so good. So there's

00:41:20.690 --> 00:41:25.030
at least six games of Slenderman. Slenderman

00:41:25.030 --> 00:41:27.269
the Eight Pages was excellent. The other one

00:41:27.269 --> 00:41:30.869
I was thinking of is Slenderman Shadow, which

00:41:30.869 --> 00:41:34.110
is also good. But the Eight Pages is definitely

00:41:34.110 --> 00:41:38.059
the... They have one called Five Nights at Slender

00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:42.940
Man's. Yeah. Wow. So I found this list that is

00:41:42.940 --> 00:41:45.739
the three worst, three best. There might be more.

00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.079
It's probably because nobody has the license

00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.519
to Slender because it's a creepypasta. So that's

00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:51.980
probably just on the Steam page garbage bin.

00:41:52.059 --> 00:41:55.500
Oh, people make games like that all the time,

00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.800
just having keywords of popular things. Slender

00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.960
the Arrival. Yep. That is... Another good one.

00:42:02.059 --> 00:42:04.639
Okay. And it is based on the movie they released.

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.320
Gotcha. But it's... Like a sign or indie? Like,

00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.719
is it an indie game? It looks indie -ish. It

00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.539
looks like the same mechanic as, like, Amnesia

00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:16.860
or something like that, where you have, like,

00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:19.000
a limited battery and you're finding stuff. Okay.

00:42:19.099 --> 00:42:23.780
Yeah. Amnesia... No, the other one. Machine for

00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:29.139
Pigs? No. What? PT? What other one? The video

00:42:29.139 --> 00:42:32.159
camera is the only time you can... Outlast. Outlast.

00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.539
Outlast. That's it. Yes. Yes. We are going full

00:42:35.539 --> 00:42:37.340
into the game part of Game for a Movie. I love

00:42:37.340 --> 00:42:39.460
it. I love it. Horror games are great, man. I

00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:41.679
just watched a playthrough of P .T. from seven

00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.539
years ago. Holy shit. And it was so great. Have

00:42:44.539 --> 00:42:46.920
you heard of the new game that's like the spiritual

00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.960
succession to P .T.? What is that? Uh... No.

00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.519
What's a P .T.? P .T., so, all right, sorry,

00:42:54.619 --> 00:42:55.820
this is gonna be... I don't play video games.

00:42:55.820 --> 00:42:58.119
Yes, P .T., it stands for Playable Teaser, and

00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.099
it was, it's a really famous little, because

00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:02.000
A, it's so, the part that's creepy about it is

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.019
that it's got, so basically it's a playable teaser

00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:06.199
for, have you heard of the games, the Silent

00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:07.719
Hill? I think they made movies on it. So, okay,

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.340
I think I know exactly what you're talking about,

00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.659
because my buddy Spencer played that shit in

00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:13.260
front of me, and it terrified the shit out of

00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:14.519
me. Yeah, so it's the one where you're walking

00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.260
in a hallway over and over again. So nobody knew

00:43:17.260 --> 00:43:18.500
what P .T. stood for, and then it came out. Yes,

00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.139
so like when it released, it was just called

00:43:20.139 --> 00:43:21.739
like, it was just called, hey, here's this...

00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.840
cool indie game called PT from this random studio

00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.519
and then it turned out like oh it turns out this

00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.780
famous developer Hideo Kojima made familiar solid

00:43:29.780 --> 00:43:32.360
worked on it and then like yeah if you beat the

00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.460
game you get a teaser where Norman Reedus shows

00:43:34.460 --> 00:43:37.440
up and then like walks down a creepy street and

00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.900
it says Silent Hills brought to you by Hideo

00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:44.360
Kojima and Guillermo del Toro whoa crazy yeah

00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.860
right and then basically that game got cancelled

00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:48.880
because Kojima had a falling out with the company

00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.119
etc etc etc oh so that game never got made never

00:43:51.509 --> 00:43:53.510
And not only that, so the company that published

00:43:53.510 --> 00:43:55.829
it, Konami, they made it so that you can no longer

00:43:55.829 --> 00:43:58.409
download PT. And if you delete it from your hard

00:43:58.409 --> 00:43:59.809
drive, you can't ever get it back. It's just

00:43:59.809 --> 00:44:02.469
gone. It's just gone. I still have my PS5 that

00:44:02.469 --> 00:44:04.090
has it downloaded. You could sell it. I could,

00:44:04.269 --> 00:44:07.860
maybe, yeah. But to me... People who want people.

00:44:07.940 --> 00:44:10.079
eBay values regardless. To me, that kind of adds

00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.900
to the mystique of PT where it's like this kind

00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:13.900
of creepy game you can't really get anymore.

00:44:14.260 --> 00:44:17.440
Visage. Not familiar. Visage? Visage? Visage?

00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.639
It's a 2020 game. They call it... Did she just

00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:26.840
say vagina? I saw a V, I saw a G. Vaginy. Got

00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:32.380
it. Vaginy. I don't know. Sorry. There have been

00:44:32.380 --> 00:44:35.380
many PT clones since PT happened and I guess

00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:38.659
it... In the world of horror video gaming. I

00:44:38.659 --> 00:44:41.019
remember my first beer, Mitchell. I was laughing.

00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.840
It was incredibly impactful. I would not mean

00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.739
to step on you. I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with

00:44:47.739 --> 00:44:51.960
Visage. Visage got released last year. And everybody's

00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.460
talking about it. It's PT, essentially. It is

00:44:54.460 --> 00:44:58.639
what PT wanted to be. Sure. And so I've heard

00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.880
amazing things about it. It has a sanity meter.

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:04.369
So you go through like. Oh, yeah. Yes. That's

00:45:04.369 --> 00:45:05.949
why I was thinking Amnesia. Sounds fantastic.

00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:10.050
Hard pass. PT absolutely made me crap my pants.

00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:11.750
That is a scary scary movie. You're not a scary

00:45:11.750 --> 00:45:13.829
person. I'm not a scary... Well, it's tough.

00:45:13.929 --> 00:45:15.750
I'm a certain kind of scary person, I guess.

00:45:15.909 --> 00:45:17.929
What is your favorite scary movie? My favorite

00:45:17.929 --> 00:45:20.360
scary movie? Yes. Scary Movie 3. Scary movie

00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.699
four. No. I don't know if it's even a four. I

00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:24.920
don't know. Scary movie seven. Dude, there's

00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.000
like a billion of these. I mean, like, again,

00:45:27.099 --> 00:45:29.219
this is going to be like, oh, come on. But my

00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:31.079
current one that comes to mind is probably Annihilation.

00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:33.079
I would call that sort of a cosmic horror movie.

00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.500
It's not just a horror movie, but it's a thriller.

00:45:35.619 --> 00:45:37.800
That's a movie I was not expecting to be as...

00:45:38.889 --> 00:45:40.809
Horrific? I don't know if that's a term, but,

00:45:40.849 --> 00:45:42.170
yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about,

00:45:42.190 --> 00:45:45.090
especially that end sequence. Yes. Very terrifying.

00:45:45.269 --> 00:45:48.190
Yeah, well, even that, and then the bear scene,

00:45:48.269 --> 00:45:50.489
and I'll leave it at that, was also, like, holy

00:45:50.489 --> 00:45:53.289
shit. Yeah. So good. So well done. And that,

00:45:53.349 --> 00:45:55.409
well, whatever, I guess it just spoiled it itself.

00:45:55.550 --> 00:45:57.289
The reason it was so scary is because I wasn't

00:45:57.289 --> 00:45:58.670
going in thinking, oh, this is a scary movie,

00:45:58.730 --> 00:46:00.289
you know what I mean? Like, it was, this is a

00:46:00.289 --> 00:46:01.829
sci -fi movie, you know? That's what I came in

00:46:01.829 --> 00:46:04.610
expecting, and it was really good. Nice. Okay.

00:46:05.329 --> 00:46:08.730
Do we have, like... Like, as a group, like, favorite

00:46:08.730 --> 00:46:11.730
scary movies that we want to share? Oh, I know

00:46:11.730 --> 00:46:14.070
all mine. All right, what's, like, yours? Scream.

00:46:14.349 --> 00:46:16.610
Scream number one? Scream number one. Wes Craven's

00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:19.760
Scream. I love all four Scream movies. And it

00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.300
does not matter how bad they get, I will watch

00:46:22.300 --> 00:46:24.019
Scream movies until the day I die. I watched

00:46:24.019 --> 00:46:26.400
the Scream series, which sucked ass at the end,

00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:29.119
and I still watched it. Well, number one is so...

00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.679
It just knows what it's doing. It's perfect.

00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:34.900
And my favorite character of all people is Jamie

00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:38.079
Kennedy's fucking character. Randy is one of

00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.780
my favorite characters in a scary movie because

00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:42.099
he knows the rules, yet he still gets fucked

00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:44.960
over. It's such a time stamp in Hollywood. Yeah.

00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.760
Like who was a star or a young star at that point.

00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:49.179
Yeah, exactly. And that's my thing. is I love

00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:52.159
the Scream series. I love the movies, the TV

00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.199
show. I'm ready for Scream 5. It is coming. Cannot

00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.159
wait. That is true. Yeah. Jill, do you have one?

00:46:59.300 --> 00:47:02.360
Jacob's Ladder. Nice. Jacob's Ladder, wow. Which

00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.320
was a movie introduced to me on this podcast

00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.639
and I still have yet to see? I know. If you like

00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.340
Silent Hill, Silent Hill pulled a lot from Jacob's

00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:14.699
Ladder. I almost, for our bad movie, because

00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:17.000
I said I was going to do, no, no, no, the remake.

00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:20.219
They did a remake with Jesse Williams in 2013.

00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:24.059
What? Excuse me? It is at an 8 % on Rotten Tomatoes.

00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:26.539
That was almost my bad movie. Wow. Because I've

00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:28.219
seen the original, and the original is fantastic.

00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:31.960
That's what I've heard. Yeah, so the sequel was

00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:34.360
almost, or the remake, not the sequel, the remake.

00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.260
I'm very curious to know how they did it. Don't

00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:41.199
do it. Just don't. Don't do it to yourself. Don't

00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:42.380
do it to yourself. When did the original come

00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:44.900
out? Was it like a 90s movie? 90s? Okay. Early,

00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:48.210
mid -90s? I was going to say like 93, 94, somewhere

00:47:48.210 --> 00:47:50.929
around there, probably. Do you have one? Well,

00:47:51.030 --> 00:47:55.210
so recently, I would say my favorite scary movie

00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:58.090
to watch, like, and I have like a habit of watching

00:47:58.090 --> 00:48:00.050
certain movies at a certain point every year.

00:48:00.409 --> 00:48:02.769
Just like... Christmas Vacation for Christmas.

00:48:02.989 --> 00:48:04.829
Yeah. It's something I watch every year. Since

00:48:04.829 --> 00:48:07.449
2015, I believe is when this movie came out,

00:48:07.469 --> 00:48:11.150
it follows. Nice. Great film. That is fantastic.

00:48:11.170 --> 00:48:14.090
It's so good. Yeah. And it's a, in a way, it's

00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:16.010
like a throwback to the 80s, especially with

00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:19.449
the synths as part of the score. Yeah, the soundtrack's

00:48:19.449 --> 00:48:24.289
so good. It's so good. And, you know. The love

00:48:24.289 --> 00:48:27.510
of my life, Kelly, hates scary movies. So this

00:48:27.510 --> 00:48:30.250
is something I cannot watch with her. So I'm

00:48:30.250 --> 00:48:32.110
going to have to carve out some time to watch

00:48:32.110 --> 00:48:34.929
that. That's been my thing. As I've said for

00:48:34.929 --> 00:48:36.909
the start of October, I've been watching scary

00:48:36.909 --> 00:48:39.090
movies. So basically whenever Claire goes to

00:48:39.090 --> 00:48:41.349
the bed, I find a different scary movie that

00:48:41.349 --> 00:48:44.050
has been on my list. So I'm not watching like

00:48:44.050 --> 00:48:46.170
the classics. I'm not watching all these things

00:48:46.170 --> 00:48:48.150
that are like, you know, the be all end all.

00:48:48.230 --> 00:48:49.829
I'm watching the ones that kind of slip through

00:48:49.829 --> 00:48:52.030
the cracks. So that's how I got to Hellfest.

00:48:52.269 --> 00:48:54.769
Yeah. fest i saw the trailer was totally interested

00:48:54.769 --> 00:48:58.289
in it and just kind of never saw it finally i

00:48:58.289 --> 00:49:00.289
saw it was on prime i'm like perfect you know

00:49:00.289 --> 00:49:03.849
what it's happening watch it done you know like

00:49:03.849 --> 00:49:06.130
that kind of thing so i'm watching a lot of things

00:49:06.130 --> 00:49:09.050
that i wouldn't call them b movies or anything

00:49:09.050 --> 00:49:10.789
like that but just like ones that slipped through

00:49:10.789 --> 00:49:13.050
the cracks for me yeah i got you i think most

00:49:13.530 --> 00:49:15.710
Good horror movies are B -movies. Yeah, exactly.

00:49:15.849 --> 00:49:18.409
Yeah, right. I think good, like a good, depending

00:49:18.409 --> 00:49:20.570
on your flavor of horror, there's a good, there

00:49:20.570 --> 00:49:22.730
should be some element of schlock. Yes. There

00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:28.179
should be. Yes. 1990 for... Oh, 1990. Wow. Okay.

00:49:28.420 --> 00:49:32.559
Yeah. He doesn't do horror. I don't do, I don't

00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.219
know. It's tough. Like, so with scary movies,

00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.219
if I've watched them, if I somehow, somehow,

00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:38.940
somebody's twisted my arm into watching them,

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.719
usually I like them, you know what I mean? But

00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:42.219
I never find myself like, when you're saying

00:49:42.219 --> 00:49:43.940
like, oh yeah, I'll just get to this scary movie

00:49:43.940 --> 00:49:45.500
that I haven't seen before. I'd be like, fuck

00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:46.780
no, I'm not going to do that. Yeah, right. What

00:49:46.780 --> 00:49:51.099
if it's fucking scary? Then it's done its job.

00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.599
Yeah, right, right. No, totally. I mean, so on

00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.239
that note, only because I can't escape it from

00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.340
a car. cultural osmosis, I would say Alien 1

00:49:58.340 --> 00:50:00.139
is probably my favorite horror movie. Straight

00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:02.320
up just... Yeah, that's a good one. And it is

00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.320
a horror movie. Right. I would not call Aliens

00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.519
or Alien 3 even a horror movie. Alien 3 is definitely

00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.960
like a thriller versus a horror movie. Right.

00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.920
Right. Alien 1 is probably the closest to a classic

00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.699
horror movie that I will be like, I'm always

00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:17.500
down to watch this whenever. And it's just, it's

00:50:17.500 --> 00:50:19.280
been so influential in non -league films, but

00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.199
also video games too. Right. Yeah. And then I

00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.280
guess a runner -up would be Event Horizon. Nice.

00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:29.420
A lot of Event Horizon. That one is the B sci

00:50:29.420 --> 00:50:31.860
-fi horror movie of choice for me. Do you know

00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:34.219
that there's like eight minutes of cutting room

00:50:34.219 --> 00:50:37.099
floor material? Really? So like, you know, has

00:50:37.099 --> 00:50:39.000
everyone here seen Event Horizon? Yes. Okay.

00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:41.480
So you know how like the ship went through the

00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.099
hell gate and stuff went down so like the uh

00:50:44.099 --> 00:50:45.719
the cutting room floor stuff that got deleted

00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:47.579
is like more stuff on what happened to the crew

00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:53.179
oh man oh nice so you get more yeah Yeah. Well,

00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:55.360
when I was, I watched, I somehow watched that

00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:56.960
when I was, like, eight. I have no idea how it

00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.280
happened. Eight? Yeah, I know. Really, yeah,

00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.139
I know. I was already at a friend's place. I

00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:03.280
don't remember exactly. Whatever. Yes, way too

00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.940
young to watch that specific movie. And that

00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:07.880
one scene, I think they show, like, 30 seconds

00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:09.760
of it where, like, they look at the, they see

00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.960
the footage and then that shit kept me up for

00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.019
weeks. More of that. And I was like, oh my god,

00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:16.380
this is the scariest thing I've probably ever

00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:18.219
seen ever. And then, like, I watched it again,

00:51:18.380 --> 00:51:19.960
like, you know, like, when I was 13 or whatever.

00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.920
I'm like, this is one of the most terrible. Fishburne

00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.280
versus space it's true he's been in like a couple

00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.019
sci -fi films that have got like space too I've

00:51:29.019 --> 00:51:30.579
watched I've watched Event Horizon before I watched

00:51:30.579 --> 00:51:32.619
The Matrix you know what I mean so like to me

00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:35.039
that's ironically Lawrence Fishburne's like in

00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.320
role for me is in Event Horizon instead of Morpheus

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.559
oh wow yeah that's that's just where it is is

00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.840
The Lost Boys considered a horror movie? Yeah,

00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:45.900
technically. I love that movie around Halloween.

00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.000
So I'm going to look up its... In the same way

00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.340
that Alien is. I'm going to look up its classification,

00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:56.219
but yeah, comedy horror. There it is. Also 97

00:51:56.219 --> 00:52:00.699
minutes. Dude, I love that. We are so past the

00:52:00.699 --> 00:52:03.139
point, like, you know, me and Mike watch Squid

00:52:03.139 --> 00:52:06.800
Game. Nine episodes, I don't know how many hours.

00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:09.929
But... Just under nine because it's like 45.

00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:13.010
90 minutes of something is so refreshing. You

00:52:13.010 --> 00:52:15.829
know what I mean? God, Squid Game is so good.

00:52:15.969 --> 00:52:18.030
We need to watch it. We need to watch it. Yeah,

00:52:18.130 --> 00:52:20.090
we're talking too much so we might not get to

00:52:20.090 --> 00:52:23.530
Cash or Trash, which is fine. I'm not talking

00:52:23.530 --> 00:52:27.449
too much on a podcast. I know. No, and I'm just

00:52:27.449 --> 00:52:29.429
watching because of ads. We don't want to make

00:52:29.429 --> 00:52:31.829
you sit through ads and that's what we have to

00:52:31.829 --> 00:52:34.809
do. So, you know. Um, but yeah, Squid Game was,

00:52:34.809 --> 00:52:36.909
Squid Game was excellent and would be total cash.

00:52:37.289 --> 00:52:40.010
Oh, 100%. Yeah. Wait, what movie were you talking

00:52:40.010 --> 00:52:42.489
about? Slenderman. Slenderman. Yes. We completely

00:52:42.489 --> 00:52:45.150
went off the rails on that. Yeah. Still riding

00:52:45.150 --> 00:52:49.369
the ship here. So Slenderman, I don't know if

00:52:49.369 --> 00:52:51.110
you know the story of Slenderman. He appears

00:52:51.110 --> 00:52:56.190
in the woods and he takes people to the, whatever

00:52:56.190 --> 00:52:59.349
realm, essentially, that he decides, he takes

00:52:59.349 --> 00:53:02.869
kids. And once you see Slenderman, you can't

00:53:02.869 --> 00:53:05.190
escape. You can't escape him. And he's in a suit.

00:53:05.190 --> 00:53:08.269
He's super long arms in a suit with a boulder

00:53:08.269 --> 00:53:10.710
cap or whatever. It's like Jack Skellington.

00:53:10.769 --> 00:53:12.530
No, he doesn't have a hat. He doesn't have a

00:53:12.530 --> 00:53:16.050
hat. He doesn't have a hat. He's a white faceless

00:53:16.050 --> 00:53:18.110
creature. Yeah, exactly. Because there was a

00:53:18.110 --> 00:53:20.570
big part where this girl starts seeing him and

00:53:20.570 --> 00:53:23.469
is just like, he had no face. He had no face.

00:53:23.570 --> 00:53:26.469
Yeah, no face. Put a hat on that faceless man.

00:53:26.530 --> 00:53:30.969
It's just funny. Yeah. Nice head. Well, I'm like,

00:53:31.030 --> 00:53:33.329
all these girls are teenagers, and I will say

00:53:33.329 --> 00:53:35.349
they're actually all teenagers. It's not like

00:53:35.349 --> 00:53:37.889
a high schooler playing... Not Dear Evan Hansen.

00:53:37.889 --> 00:53:39.789
Yeah, exactly. It's not like a high schooler

00:53:39.789 --> 00:53:40.829
being flippant. That's a horror movie in its

00:53:40.829 --> 00:53:43.610
own right. It is. That's a very rare accidental

00:53:43.610 --> 00:53:46.070
horror movie. Yeah, yeah, right. They thought

00:53:46.070 --> 00:53:49.449
they would get Oscars out of that. Tomatoes,

00:53:49.449 --> 00:53:51.789
the audience score is way too high for that movie.

00:53:51.949 --> 00:53:53.989
Wait, what do you mean by way too high? I've

00:53:53.989 --> 00:53:56.750
heard nothing but awful things about it. Remember,

00:53:56.769 --> 00:53:59.789
people liked the musical before it became a...

00:53:59.789 --> 00:54:02.610
movie, and then people will realize what it's

00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:04.090
actually about. I mean, honestly, I feel like

00:54:04.090 --> 00:54:05.570
I look enough like that guy. I feel like that

00:54:05.570 --> 00:54:06.530
should be my only costume this year. Your eyes

00:54:06.530 --> 00:54:08.610
aren't bugging out. No, but if I just grew...

00:54:08.610 --> 00:54:09.929
I mean, the hair's already long enough. I just

00:54:09.929 --> 00:54:10.610
grew it out a little bit more. You should put

00:54:10.610 --> 00:54:12.929
some heavy layers of foundation on you. Yes,

00:54:12.929 --> 00:54:14.309
yes. And you've got a Naruto run everywhere.

00:54:14.769 --> 00:54:17.929
So... Oh, yeah. Dear Evan Hansen, ready for the

00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:22.070
Rotten Tomatoes number? Yeah. Critics, 30%. Yep,

00:54:22.070 --> 00:54:26.349
yep. That makes sense. Audience. 88%. That's

00:54:26.349 --> 00:54:28.730
some fucking Rise of Skywalker story. 1 ,000

00:54:28.730 --> 00:54:32.389
plus verified ratings. I mean, I would imagine

00:54:32.389 --> 00:54:34.630
that some of that are fans of the original musical,

00:54:34.730 --> 00:54:36.710
and then there's others who watch it and be like,

00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:39.570
it's a really great story about how a simple

00:54:39.570 --> 00:54:41.829
mistake can snowball, but you know what? You

00:54:41.829 --> 00:54:44.630
can be found. Found community, found family,

00:54:44.710 --> 00:54:46.409
even though it's all a foundation of a lie, and

00:54:46.409 --> 00:54:48.610
Evan Hansen's actually the villain. It's okay.

00:54:48.829 --> 00:54:52.650
He sings. Yeah. No, it's not okay. No, retweet,

00:54:52.690 --> 00:54:56.210
retweet. Retweet. Kelly, who's super into theater,

00:54:56.409 --> 00:54:59.349
walked me through the history of this show, and

00:54:59.349 --> 00:55:02.010
I could see why it was as successful as it was.

00:55:02.130 --> 00:55:05.750
And then for the movie adaptation, any redeeming

00:55:05.750 --> 00:55:08.210
qualities about the musical were completely stripped

00:55:08.210 --> 00:55:11.010
out of what is now in the movie. Right. And I'm

00:55:11.010 --> 00:55:13.150
just like, oh, like, how do you even watch this

00:55:13.150 --> 00:55:17.010
without... Yeah. Feeling uncertain or weird.

00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:20.750
So Slenderman. So Slenderman. So origin story

00:55:20.750 --> 00:55:23.210
for Slenderman. Oh, well, basically, so these

00:55:23.210 --> 00:55:25.190
girls are actually, like, young. They're not,

00:55:25.269 --> 00:55:27.610
like, 20 -year -olds that are in high school.

00:55:28.369 --> 00:55:31.010
And this came out a couple years ago. This came

00:55:31.010 --> 00:55:33.610
out a couple years ago. This is now probably...

00:55:33.610 --> 00:55:37.110
Well, that's the main issue for this movie. Oh,

00:55:37.110 --> 00:55:39.030
my goodness. So when the Slenderman story came

00:55:39.030 --> 00:55:42.730
out, when the real -life crime happened based

00:55:42.730 --> 00:55:45.190
on this story, The movie was still two years

00:55:45.190 --> 00:55:50.130
out. That's how long after this event. Wow, okay.

00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:51.750
So they took their time on this one. They did.

00:55:51.929 --> 00:55:55.110
And the problem is, Slenderman was then passed.

00:55:55.829 --> 00:55:59.170
And for me, I personally like Slenderman, the

00:55:59.170 --> 00:56:02.110
whole idea of it, because I'm a weirdo and a

00:56:02.110 --> 00:56:07.809
creep. It all lines up. She put that on your

00:56:07.809 --> 00:56:12.489
dating profile. Yes, exactly. Wait, whoa, whoa,

00:56:12.489 --> 00:56:14.369
whoa. Dating profile? What the hell is happening

00:56:14.369 --> 00:56:17.250
here? Let's get this dating profile updated,

00:56:17.349 --> 00:56:19.849
Mike. Come on. When Claire gets adopted by the

00:56:19.849 --> 00:56:21.929
Slender Man? What's happening? You've got to

00:56:21.929 --> 00:56:24.510
have a backup plan. We are a podcast of dating

00:56:24.510 --> 00:56:27.070
profile people. It's true. It's true. It's true.

00:56:27.329 --> 00:56:31.909
It's worked for us. So Slender Man. So please

00:56:31.909 --> 00:56:34.440
put Slender Man in your dating profile. you will

00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.400
find the love of your life. Basically, these

00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.940
four girls get together to summon Slenderman

00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:41.599
because they're trying to beat the boys and doing

00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:43.679
it. Wait a minute, beat the boys at, like, tug

00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:47.300
-of -war? No, the boys are supposedly summoning

00:56:47.300 --> 00:56:52.179
Slenderman. Yeah, like... So the high school

00:56:52.179 --> 00:56:56.780
boys that they are interested in... So they are

00:56:56.780 --> 00:56:59.630
hanging out one night. And basically the girls

00:56:59.630 --> 00:57:01.769
find out and they're like, oh, they found out

00:57:01.769 --> 00:57:03.829
that they're trying to summon Slenderman. Well,

00:57:03.869 --> 00:57:05.849
let's try to do it first. You know, like we're

00:57:05.849 --> 00:57:07.869
going to beat them, that kind of stuff. So they

00:57:07.869 --> 00:57:11.889
go to their own party, the four girls, and summon

00:57:11.889 --> 00:57:15.429
Slenderman. But now it's too late because Slenderman

00:57:15.429 --> 00:57:18.789
is here. So congratulations, you accomplished

00:57:18.789 --> 00:57:20.889
what you set out to do. You played exactly. Now

00:57:20.889 --> 00:57:22.710
you need to deal with the consequences like real

00:57:22.710 --> 00:57:25.989
adults. Right. The issue with this movie is,

00:57:26.110 --> 00:57:30.210
like, it's jump scare reliant. And then Slender

00:57:30.210 --> 00:57:32.909
Man's supposed to blend into the trees. That

00:57:32.909 --> 00:57:37.170
is the whole idea of it. And so when a branch

00:57:37.170 --> 00:57:40.090
moves, that might be Slender Man. And, like,

00:57:40.090 --> 00:57:42.710
that's what they should have built into more

00:57:42.710 --> 00:57:45.849
versus, like, it's you're looking at the trees,

00:57:45.869 --> 00:57:48.469
looking at the trees, all of a sudden, bah, the

00:57:48.469 --> 00:57:51.730
branch moves, which is him. Okay. And, you know,

00:57:51.769 --> 00:57:52.909
and it's one of those things where literally

00:57:52.909 --> 00:57:55.619
it's, five -second jump scare, and you're like...

00:57:55.619 --> 00:57:58.239
Is there a musical sting every time he shows

00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:59.960
up? That's what I want to know. That's what I

00:57:59.960 --> 00:58:02.019
want to know. Like, is it, like, every time,

00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:03.679
like, the Slider Man shows up, it's like, or

00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:06.809
whatever? Yeah. That's annoying because, again,

00:58:06.949 --> 00:58:10.170
one of the huge points about the game was that

00:58:10.170 --> 00:58:12.769
there's no musical cue for it. You just see him,

00:58:12.809 --> 00:58:13.710
and that adds to the horror. All of a sudden,

00:58:13.809 --> 00:58:15.530
it's there. He's just there, and it's like, whoa.

00:58:15.710 --> 00:58:18.269
And you're freaking out. But in the game, too,

00:58:18.409 --> 00:58:21.809
he's subtle in the game where you could be walking

00:58:21.809 --> 00:58:23.730
towards him not realizing. All of a sudden, he's

00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:26.170
real close to you, and you're like, fuck, no!

00:58:26.289 --> 00:58:29.210
Right, right, right. Yeah. Oh, it's so good.

00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:32.199
But yeah, Slender Man, eight pages, five out

00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:37.940
of five. Slender Man, the movie. Like I said,

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.840
it wasn't as bad as critics made it. So it has

00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:43.780
like a terrible Rotten Tomatoes number, but I'm

00:58:43.780 --> 00:58:46.320
also not recommending you see it. Like one out

00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.460
of five. You know, it's, yeah, it's fine. It's

00:58:49.460 --> 00:58:51.940
not. Just read the creepypasta page about it.

00:58:51.940 --> 00:58:55.119
Exactly. You know what I think is a great emphasis

00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.380
to the whole jump scare thing? There's a great

00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:00.980
sequence. It's not even a sequence. It's one

00:59:00.980 --> 00:59:04.139
shot. in hereditary if anyone has seen it here

00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:09.500
god damn it yeah so it's not a spoiler or anything

00:59:09.500 --> 00:59:11.159
it's at the beginning of the movie it's after

00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.800
the mom or like the grandma uh is you know she's

00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:18.599
dead she's passed away and um tony collette's

00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.219
character is up in her workstation area of her

00:59:22.219 --> 00:59:25.480
of her home and she shuts off the light and as

00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:26.920
she shuts off the light you see a silhouette

00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:30.000
of an older woman and then she's like mom like

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.239
like in a very almost like a desperate way like

00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.480
she wants her mom to be there yeah it's gone

00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:38.000
and i feel like that has the same impact as you

00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.019
want as a jump scare because it comes out of

00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:43.960
nowhere but it actually informs the story. Yes.

00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:46.940
It's not just a cheap thrill. Haunting a house

00:59:46.940 --> 00:59:49.500
on the hill and Bly Manor works so well with

00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:51.699
the hidden ghosts. Yeah. Is that if you don't

00:59:51.699 --> 00:59:54.179
know that they're there, they can be very unsettling

00:59:54.179 --> 00:59:58.179
just to see. Yes. No, absolutely. There's like

00:59:58.179 --> 01:00:00.599
some quiet lore there. Yeah. And in the case

01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:02.199
of Bly Manor, they actually explain where all

01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:03.460
those ghosts are. And that was my favorite part

01:00:03.460 --> 01:00:05.800
of watching the original show and it was going

01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:06.940
under the air and being like, here's all the

01:00:06.940 --> 01:00:09.300
fucking ghosts you missed, bro. I'm like, oh

01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:10.880
my God, they were there the whole time. Yeah.

01:00:10.900 --> 01:00:12.980
And I'm like, oh. Well, that's my thing, too.

01:00:13.059 --> 01:00:16.579
I think jump scares can work. They can. But with

01:00:16.579 --> 01:00:19.300
Slenderman, the entire thing is jump scare. You

01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:21.039
can't build a whole entire... Yeah, you need

01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:23.099
atmosphere. You gotta do... It's a balance, you

01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:25.239
know? And, like, I will also say, atmospheric

01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.880
versus jump scare can be 70 -30 atmospheric.

01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:33.420
PT has some awesome jump scares. Right, because

01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:36.219
they build up the atmosphere. Exactly. And so

01:00:36.219 --> 01:00:38.920
that's why I think it's a good mix to it. We

01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.260
are running out of time. We're getting past the

01:00:41.260 --> 01:00:45.800
hour. Cool. We've got another episode to record

01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.219
laying you behind the curtain. Yeah. So we're

01:00:49.219 --> 01:00:51.440
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can do on the face of the planet. We are Game

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for a Movie, where we ask, are you game for a

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movie? I've been your host, Mike. Andre. Jill.

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Mitchell. Mitchell After Dark. Mitchell After

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Dark. Mitchell is a scary movie. We'll see you

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next time on Game for a Movie.