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You know what that sound means? It's time for

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another episode of Game for a Movie. I am your

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host, Mikey Tech. I am joined by... Audrey Bellinger.

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It's Jill. And we have from the laundromat...

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Hey, guys. First time, long time. It's Mitchell

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from Bristol calling in from a parking lot in

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front of a lot. Working at the car wash, but...

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I feel like we should have a bunch of soundboard

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dumbass sounds like a radio show ready for a

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call -in segment. Yeah, a sting. That's exactly

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right. We got bubbles. So you can go on your

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very way, Mitchell. We will just jump into it

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with you. This episode is all about directorial

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debuts. We each picked a different director and

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tried to watch their... first film so we start

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with you what director did you pick and what

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is their first film so the very one of my favorite

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directors working today is damien chazelle um

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the first film that i saw from him was whiplash

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i thought on a plane ride from hawaii back to

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la on a business trip and my boss is the one

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who suggested that i watch it because he knew

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how much i like movies And he's like, and he

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knew how much I love musicals. He said, hey,

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this isn't a musical per se, but this is probably

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one of those movies that's made for you. I'm

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like, all right, all right. It was out of the

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theaters by that point. But I saw it was on Delta.

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So I popped that on. And I texted him right after

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we landed. And I'm like, Bill, that's me. I think

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I watched the best movie of this year on a fucking

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airplane. I was blown away. I was able to see

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it in theaters a couple years later. And then

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La La Land hits. That is perfectly up my alley.

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And then First Man came out, I believe, a year

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and a half ago. So I've seen all of David Chazelle's

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movies at this point. I thought, until I did

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some digging, I realized, holy shit. There was

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a movie that he did before Whiplash. And it was

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actually his senior thesis project when he was

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a student at Harvard. And the name of the film

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is Guy and Madeline on a Park Bench. That's a

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mouthful. That is a mouthful. You've done some

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real digging to find a senior thesis project.

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Well, here's the thing. So, yes, it's a senior

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thesis project, but it premiered, like, formally

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had a premiere. at the Tribeca Film Festival.

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Oh, wow. It was still on people's radars, like,

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really in the film community, but it was on people's

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radars. So this is a black -and -white musical

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-type movie, I would say, not a full -on La La

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Land -type deal, but you have choreographed as

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they dodge traffic. Be safe. Jesus. I'm sorry.

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I want to talk a lot. Like a West Wing episode.

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Right? Walk with me. It's true You've got a lot

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of jazz music so basically everything that you

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would expect from Damien Chazelle if you had

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seen other movies Was able to music use in first

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man, which is about the alarm truck, you know?

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Yeah, so the whole thing about it is it's a it's

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a romance love triangle type movie I would say

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it's DNA is probably closest with La La Land

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you got very young, talented people looking to

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make it into the world while trying to balance

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both their love life and some of their other

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interests, I guess you could say. But what really

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took me aback when I watched it, I mean, this

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is a student film. This is black and white. It's

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grainy as shit. It looks like a French New Wave

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movie more than anything else. termed it as an

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MGM musical. And that's not an original take,

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by the way. A lot of different reviews said the

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same thing about it. But more than anything else,

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it's really the sound design that completely

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blew me away. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm still looking

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at being weird this entire time. Hold on. This

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might be the most interesting podcast ever. What's

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next? in the shot of Mitchell. Like, there's

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guys. Like, he's on the other side of a lot.

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Just remember, I know... I'm sorry, I'm really

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proud of him. It's okay, because I have a certain

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set of skills, and I will find you. Just continue

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to talk confidently into the phone. Yes. Yes,

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okay. I'm going to try to go secret. Maybe he's

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a Damien Chazelle fan. Yeah, right. Wait, is

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that Damien Chazelle? i'm kidding uh guys this

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is this is a good movie not great um okay a lot

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of dna of what what could be um what would come

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from damien chazelle once you give him a budget

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um it's the same thing that you would see in

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the short film that pre that uh preceded whiplash

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it was like the short five ten minute scene that

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was cut straight from the script but a lot of

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it comes down to again sound design and then

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character dynamics those are the things that

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I feel like are always going to be a part of

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his filmography. So it's everything from music

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to atmosphere. And then I guess how your main

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two lovers look into each other's eyes. You see

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that at the end of La La Land. You see that at

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the end of First Man. So you see it in this film.

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I don't have a whole lot to elaborate, really.

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I don't like scurrying back and forth. Where

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is the movie, the film set? Is it, it's not LA.

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Is it New York or Boston? Yeah, it is Boston.

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So Boston initially, but a lot of it takes place

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in New York as well. Okay. So he's like the main,

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the main guy. So one of his lovers is living

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in New York after they kind of have a breakup.

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I guess you want to call it a breakup. It's really

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interesting. Like the first, Five minutes of

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the movie. It's all music. It's like a musical

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kind of interlude. I don't know what it's called

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at the very beginning of a musical. But basically

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it tells the brief three -month story of the

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initial couple's relationship. All the music,

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no dialogue, anything like that. So that is the

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first love of her. So she plays a huge role in

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the movie. Her whole thing is after their breakup,

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she tries to move down to New York. And then

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Guy, who's the main dude, after he has his fling,

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is just like, wait, I miss Madeline. Who's the

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first girl? So he kind of chases her down to

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New York. Oh, so it really is Guy and Madeline.

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It is Guy and Madeline. Those are the characters.

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Okay. And they break up on a park bench. No spoilers.

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Oh. Well, now I'm not going to find this senior

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thesis project. Damn it. So I was able to...

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find it. It's so weird. Amazon Prime has a deal

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with Mubi, M -U -B -I. And you could subscribe

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to them for like $6 .99 a month in addition to

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Amazon Prime. I did the one week free trial to

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watch this. Good call. Yeah. It is a cinephile's

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wet dream, don't get me wrong. But I'm still

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trying to work my way through the HBO Max TCM

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library before I move on to anything else. Yeah,

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it's really odd that this student film that costs,

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I think I read, $30 ,000, it has made its way

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to multiple different streaming services, including

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Sundance, and now Boobie, and it was available

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for rental on YouTube for a little bit. So I'm

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wondering if it ever made money. $30 ,000, you

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know, it's not... It's a lot for a student film,

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but not a... You can't even make a movie for

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that. I remember recently hearing that even Blair

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Witch Project had a meager budget, but it was

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at least a million. Yeah, right. And that's the

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thing. It's everything from... It's feeding your

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casting crew. It's renting space. I mean, these

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were shot in cities. So you had to get permits

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for certain shots. And the music itself, even

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though that was also composed by a fellow student.

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The rights to record and all that is still going

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to cost money. So even all of that adds up. And

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by the way, submitting it into a film festival

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isn't free. So all these things add up. What

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I think is most interesting about this movie

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is how everything about it has kind of become

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a calling card. What Damien Chazelle and Justin

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Hurwitz have been known to do. Listen to the

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music the way the horn sound. I'm not a guy who

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knows anything specific about music at all But

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it sounds like long Sounds like I don't know

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how to describe that any better, but they share

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the same sonic DNA It's in his DNA Anyway, it's

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it again what what I was most struck by was and

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all the little things that make up the human

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connection here. And this, like I said, it's

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a very gritty -looking film. At times, I bet

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if I were to put it in front of you and give

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you a random 10 -minute clip, you would swear

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it's a documentary. All the shots are handheld.

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It's all grainy black and white. It looks like

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if anyone here has taken a film class, you probably

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would have seen the documentary called High School.

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It came out in the 1960s. And it's a film about,

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you know, high school students in the 1960s.

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It's all about black and white. And it's going

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through everything from getting detention to

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cutting class. And it had the same gritty, handheld

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look of this movie. And I think that added to,

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you know, the humanity behind it. That kind of

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gives that extra step beyond the, oh, these guys

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are randomly tap dancing now. You know, there's

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some realism to the story, which is cool. Interesting.

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Yep. Any questions? Well, I was just going to

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say, before we let you go, what would you give

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this movie? Like, it's tough, right? Yeah. Because

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I'm judging what Danish was probably like 20

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or 21 when he made this. And not to say that

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you can't make a big movie at that point. There

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have been plenty of examples. I'm not sure how

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old Orson Welles was when he made this, but he

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was incredibly young for that. I think he was

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24. Yeah, I think he was 24. This is not an accessible

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movie. Yeah. Not by streaming and not by, hey,

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you're a random person who likes Whiplash. Here's

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a guy, Madeline, on a park bench. I'd probably

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give it three out of five, and that's being a

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Damien Chazelle fan. Okay. So three out of five

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park benches. Nice. Yeah, and my thing is, if

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I look at everything else, I give Whiplash a

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five out of five. I give Mama Land five out of

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five, and I give First Man four out of five.

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So everything else is super high for me. But

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this is him just starting to hone his craft.

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He's just starting to turn the wrenches in terms

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of what kind of story he wants to tell. And for

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that, I appreciate it. If it wasn't Damien Chazelle,

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and I thought this was some random dude, this

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would probably be two out of five, because some

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of the tap dancing does seem random. Right. And

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some of the music cues kind of feel a little

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gratuitous. But you can see what they're going

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for. And to a certain level, you have to appreciate

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that. So, yeah, three out of five knowing that

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it's Damien. Two out of five probably unweighted.

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I didn't know. Nice. All right, Mitchell, we're

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going to let you go. Be safe. They did laugh

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a while back. Okay. Good. Staring him down. into

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the laundromat to pull some clothes down. Again,

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you can tell how safe I feel in this area. Again,

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first time, long time, I'll take my answer off

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the air, and I'll talk to you guys later, okay?

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Have a good pod. Bye, buddy. So now that Mitchell's

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safe, thank God, we're going to jump into the

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people here. It is really weird to see you guys

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in person for a pod. Yeah, it's nice. It's nice.

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Yeah, exactly. I'm liking it. We've been doing

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mostly Google Hangouts and stuff like that, but

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it's actually nice to see your faces as we talk

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and drink beer. Because, you know, we didn't

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go into it. What are we drinking, everybody?

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Oh, yeah. I'm drinking, I think I did this on

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the pod before, Two Roads, Too Juicy. Classic.

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Overliable. Nothing wrong with that. I've got

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Big Cranky from Stony Creek. Stony Creek. Fantastic.

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I've got Del's Shandy. It's like Summer Shandy.

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It's made with Del's lemon ice, so it's great.

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Is there limes in it? Because, like, the upper

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part looks like a cucumber. No, but, yeah, I

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see how you get there. I think it's supposed

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to evoke, like, a lemon -lime soda of sorts.

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It's a beer with natural lemon flavors. There

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you go. So, yeah, and it's from our friends in

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Narragansett. Hi, neighbor. All right. Andre,

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you're going to follow us up. That's right. Damien

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Chazelle was first. Who do you have as your director

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and movie? So I am picking Alex Garland as my

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directorial debut of choice. Good choice. And

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his first film was actually a pretty recent one,

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Ex Machina. He only has two films that he's directed

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so far. So I have a question right off the bat.

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Yes. I got spoiled on the ending. Oh, no. Okay.

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So I have never gone back and seen the rest of

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the film. Yeah. Knowing the ending, can I go

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back and watch it and still enjoy it? Yes. I'd

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say 100%. I've been meaning to talk to somebody

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about this because I do want to watch it. It's

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just I know the end. Cool. But it happens. I

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will get into that momentarily. I won't spoil

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anything here because I think people should go

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into this blind if they can. Yeah, if they can.

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So Alex Garland is kind of an interesting case

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because he's kind of been in the injury for a

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while. It was interesting. I remember... finding

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out about, like, seeing this movie for trailers,

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and they very, like, so Alex Garland, his biggest,

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like, splash on the scene, as far as I know,

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was him writing 28 Days Later. Like, that was,

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like, his first, like, he wrote for that movie,

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and that's, like, that was what they used in

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all the trailers, like, for the writer of 28

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Days Later. And they made it, they framed it

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like a horror movie. Okay. And, you know, Jill

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and I sat down and watched this a couple days

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ago. I think she can agree. This is definitely

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not a horror movie. And I asked you, is this

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considered a horror movie at one point, right?

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Yeah, I did. Yeah, you did. Oh, he also did the

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screenplay for Dread? Yes. Oh, and Enslaved Odyssey

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of the West! Yes. Oh my god. Yeah, so he's done

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video games too, which is weird. I found that

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out after. Like, Enslaved and DMC Double Makeover.

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His first... Yeah, there you go. We're on the

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shelf. We're on the shelf. Just waiting for it.

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Sorry, go ahead. So this is his first actual,

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like, debut directorial film. Yeah. And... My

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God, honestly, this is probably one of my favorite

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films of the last decade, so I was kind of cheating.

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I was like, all right, this is an excuse to watch

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Taco, one of my favorite movies. Whatever. I

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guess this is just done with the premise, I guess.

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So the conceit is that the main character, our

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main character, played by Damal Gleeson, works

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for a very large software corporation. I think

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it's called Blue Book. Might as well be Facebook,

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you know, something like that. And he's an employee.

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He's a software engineer for that huge company,

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and he wins a lottery to spend a week. in a very

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remote location where his company's CEO lives,

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who's known to be very eccentric and a recluse,

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basically. Been off the grid for, I think, years

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at that point. who happens to be played by Oscar

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Isaac. So Oscar Isaac is basically playing under

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a very eccentric Mark Zuckerberg type. And I

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know he did Annihilation 2. Yes. Oscar Isaac's

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obviously in that as well. Yep, yep. Cool. Yeah,

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so yeah. Alex Carlin likes, like, buddy buddies

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with Oscar Isaac, I suppose. So yeah. Who isn't?

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Yeah, right, exactly. I love to be buddies with

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him. Right? And yeah, so, you know, Caleb, played

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with Donald Gleeson, thinks like he's just there

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to hang out with like, oh, I won the lottery,

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like, you know, I won this trip to hang out with

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my CEO. And he finds out that he's brought here

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to conduct what's called a Turing test. Oscar

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Isaac has developed an artificial intelligence,

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and he wants Caleb to perform a Turing test,

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which is basically a test that involves trying

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to prove if an artificial intelligence is real

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or not. It's actually actual intelligence. And

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it's done by basically... A classic Turing test

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would be a human interacts with a computer, but

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they don't know they're interacting with a computer.

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Basically, it's behind closed doors. Imagine

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having a phone call conversation with somebody.

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So on the other side is the computer. If the

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human talking with the computer doesn't realize

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they're a computer, that computer has passed

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the Turing test. They are an artificial intelligence.

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They are actually intelligent. Okay. So basically,

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Oscar Isaac has built a super sophisticated cyborg

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robot and wants to find out if what he's built

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is true intelligence or not. And right off the

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bat, you can just kind of get this sense of weird

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tension between the two characters. I mean, Oscar

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Isaac's kind of built. The first time we see

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him, he's like pumping weights. He's meant to

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be. Punching a bag. Yeah, punching a bag. You're

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right. Yeah. So he's very fit. Yeah. And you

00:18:15.099 --> 00:18:16.940
can tell he's kind of like an opposing presence

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about him. Yeah. And you can tell that he's kind

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of intimidated. And there's just something a

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bit off about him. You can tell that he sees

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himself. kind of above everybody else. That's

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why he separated himself from everything. And

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basically, it's, I mean, you know, through the

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dialogue between him and Donald Gleeson, you

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kind of just get the idea that Oscar Isaac sees

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himself as a god trying to usher in a new era,

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basically. Okay. And, yeah, it's just super fascinating

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the way that tension is kind of built up, both

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in terms of the dialogue, the soundtrack behind

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it. I mean, I've listened to the soundtrack,

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not while I've worked, but just kind of as an

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ambient, like in the background for a while,

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and it's very anxiety -inducing. It's really,

00:19:00.930 --> 00:19:06.349
really... It gets you? It gets you, yes. And

00:19:06.349 --> 00:19:07.990
yeah, the way that this movie is shot, it's just

00:19:07.990 --> 00:19:09.769
beautifully done. Everything, it's basically,

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it takes place almost entirely on... Oscar Isaac's

00:19:13.339 --> 00:19:15.500
remote facility, so it's a very, very tight set.

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It feels claustrophobic. It's supposed to. I

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was telling Jill I was afraid to watch this because

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I was like, you know, I definitely didn't want

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to watch it in the middle of lockdown. And now,

00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:24.779
you know, now I'm kind of in a better place to

00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:26.799
watch that. Yeah, you feel like the walls are

00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.680
closing in a little bit. Yes, yes. And this movie

00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:31.680
definitely evokes that feeling because it wants

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you to also feel sympathy for the AI character,

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who I haven't even talked about yet, Ava. This

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is the robot that Oscar Isaac has built. Alicia

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Vikander? Yes, yeah, playback. Alicia Vikander.

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And so basically the way the Turing test goes

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is that Donald Leeson is just sitting in a glass

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room opposite Alicia Vikander. Okay. And they

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just have conversations. Basically, you know,

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you can kind of, the way that like Donald's like,

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at first you can kind of tell that he's like

00:20:01.170 --> 00:20:03.009
kind of treating this like a, oh, like, are you

00:20:03.009 --> 00:20:04.710
really an artificial intelligence? Like, oh,

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like, tell me something about yourself. He's

00:20:06.890 --> 00:20:08.549
like obviously trying to trip her up. Right.

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But you kind of immediately get the sense that

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she does not like the idea of being confined.

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And that is kind of like the biggest sticking

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point is that she's not allowed to leave the

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room that she's in. And you can tell that that's

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kind of her main prime directive is to try to

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escape, try to live out in the world. And in

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a way, that's almost the biggest proof that she

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does have intelligence because, you know, what's

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more human than wanting to live free? freely

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um and yeah i i don't know i can't really talk

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about the narrative further without kind of uh

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but just yeah i just really love the way this

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movie is shot cinematography wise uh the way

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they kind of play on the viewers expectations

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a little bit as far as twists go um It's got

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all the building blocks for a really solid thriller,

00:21:00.490 --> 00:21:04.009
and it's left me with a lot of questions about

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what's the meaning behind artificial intelligence,

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as well as it kind of touches on fascinating

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parts of basically the idea of a surveillance

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state that we've set up for ourselves with social

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media. It's very clear that they're supposed

00:21:17.309 --> 00:21:18.710
to be a standard for Facebook, and they kind

00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:22.109
of get into the very gray morality of what we've

00:21:22.109 --> 00:21:24.009
kind of set up for ourselves as far as how much

00:21:24.009 --> 00:21:26.700
information we give to each other. you know,

00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:28.920
big giant corporations. Okay. I don't know. And

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so I guess I should stop babbling and let Jill

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kind of chime in because this is her first time

00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:35.700
watching this movie with me. Yeah. I'll, I mean

00:21:35.700 --> 00:21:38.279
this in the best possible way. It reminded me

00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.099
of an episode of Black Bear. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

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And there were things in the movie that I liked

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a lot, like a very, I loved the soundtrack. The

00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.000
cinematography was gorgeous. I don't know if

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it's because I'm just good at guessing things.

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Yeah. Or I've seen enough. stories that were

00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:02.339
this narrative that i was able to guess some

00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:04.619
things that were going to happen before they

00:22:04.619 --> 00:22:09.140
happened um but it was still very very good um

00:22:09.140 --> 00:22:15.259
i think i think i like between of like the three

00:22:15.259 --> 00:22:17.940
principal characters so oscar isaac's character's

00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:20.599
name is nathan you've got uh caleb and then you

00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:23.599
have Ava, I think just Oscar Isaac, every time

00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.740
he was on screen, it was like a pendulum swinging

00:22:26.740 --> 00:22:31.900
from, I am this genius who thinks I am God. to

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this broken, sad, pathetic person who every night

00:22:35.460 --> 00:22:38.480
is just getting blitzed, dropped. Yes, just absolutely

00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.559
hammered. Like, sober and egotistical in the

00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.000
morning, a crying mess at night. Yes, and it's

00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.220
so great, his conversations with Caleb, like,

00:22:48.259 --> 00:22:50.099
you can just immediately tell, like, literally

00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:51.940
when they first meet, he's like, oh, sorry, like,

00:22:51.940 --> 00:22:54.119
I'm super hungover, like, I, you know, super

00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:55.519
hungover from last night, and then Caleb's like,

00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.240
oh, like, how was the party? Like, you know,

00:22:57.259 --> 00:22:58.839
like, oh, gotcha, like, oh, he must have been

00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:00.880
a rager, huh? And he's like, what? We'll party.

00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:04.359
Yeah, exactly. And I don't know if I should mention

00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:07.380
or whatever, but basically, this is maybe in

00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:09.599
the first half hour or so. They've kind of ratcheted

00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:11.460
up the tension to the point where Caleb does

00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:13.779
not trust Nathan as much as he did when he started.

00:23:14.019 --> 00:23:15.640
Something's fishy. Something is definitely fishy

00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.940
and askew. And you find out that there are random

00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:21.099
power outages that happen in the facility that

00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:24.180
cause a lockdown. So basically, Caleb gets locked

00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:27.759
in his room momentarily. and uh you know he gets

00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.119
freaked out a little bit and he brings it up

00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:30.700
to nathan being like hey like what's the deal

00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:32.420
with these power ratchets like oh it's something

00:23:32.420 --> 00:23:34.779
wrong with the system uh you know i'm trying

00:23:34.779 --> 00:23:37.099
to figure it out like you know it's it's crazy

00:23:37.099 --> 00:23:39.019
like i had these guys come in and install my

00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:41.960
power my power system uh and i paid top dollar

00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:43.940
for it and i still run into problems then he's

00:23:43.940 --> 00:23:45.519
like oh well i can't just have them like come

00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:47.839
back and fix these like nah i can't have them

00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:49.619
killed off as soon as they did it and you can

00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:52.079
like Yeah. What? And you can, like, but, like,

00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:53.299
he kind of makes him, like, he gives him, like,

00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:54.799
a little wry smile where it's like, I'm kidding,

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:57.599
dude, you know? But, like, you know what he's

00:23:57.599 --> 00:23:59.750
killed? Like, just the way... I'm not giving

00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:01.650
it... The way that's, like, framed is just, like,

00:24:01.690 --> 00:24:02.869
a little casual lighting. It looks like Oscar

00:24:02.869 --> 00:24:05.829
Isaac would do it, too. Yes, yes, yes. It's very

00:24:05.829 --> 00:24:08.170
much a great performance piece for all of those

00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:09.829
principal actors, to be honest with you. Yeah,

00:24:09.890 --> 00:24:12.930
no, I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's, like, my dad,

00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:16.029
like, loves sci -fi, but he's also rather particular

00:24:16.029 --> 00:24:17.930
about the type of sci -fi that he wants to watch.

00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:21.579
He doesn't want to watch... Bad example, but,

00:24:21.619 --> 00:24:24.019
like, Event Horizon to him is not a good movie,

00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.880
but it's, like, stupid fun. He wants something

00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.559
smarter. That's, like, a schlocky horror film.

00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.079
I mean, like, it's a good horror film, but it's

00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.119
underappreciated. I mean, stupid fun is different

00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.119
than, like, you can have stupid fun movies. Yeah,

00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.579
this is, I mean, it's not as I'm going to be

00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:41.259
way too heady. It's not, like, heady in the way

00:24:41.259 --> 00:24:44.099
that Prometheus is choking on its own. Yes. Right.

00:24:44.299 --> 00:24:46.480
But if my dad's going to watch a sci -fi film.

00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.079
And that's kind of what I like, because, like,

00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.420
this is a sci -fi movie. What? Yeah. Sorry, I

00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:54.019
just spaced out there. Well, on that note, I

00:24:54.019 --> 00:24:56.299
feel like this is kind of going for what Prometheus

00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:58.539
went for, but this is actually more closer to

00:24:58.539 --> 00:25:00.420
nailing it, the whole idea of, like, what is

00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:02.759
the concept of life. Exactly. Like, it's heady,

00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:05.140
but it also is, like... You know, Prometheus

00:25:05.140 --> 00:25:06.839
is also trying to be a fun sci -fi flick at the

00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:08.119
same time. Now I need to go out of my way, because

00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:10.839
literally, we're joking about it, but I have

00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.079
enslaved Odyssey of the West right there. It's

00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.079
one of my favorite video games from Xbox 360,

00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.059
and Alex Garland wrote it. I'm sitting here going,

00:25:18.220 --> 00:25:21.339
I need to watch this. Like, I need to. So what

00:25:21.339 --> 00:25:23.380
I was saying is that my dad likes heady sci -fi

00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:24.940
films, and this is one that you're going to walk

00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:28.519
away from asking a lot of questions. like I know

00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.819
after we finished watching it I turned to Andre

00:25:30.819 --> 00:25:33.359
and I was just like okay so like some theory

00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.420
like in theory these things could happen or like

00:25:36.809 --> 00:25:39.369
Maybe there was this confrontation that might

00:25:39.369 --> 00:25:43.289
have happened off screen or after the fact. There's

00:25:43.289 --> 00:25:46.390
a lot of things there that you want to see what

00:25:46.390 --> 00:25:49.069
happens next, but there is no more. So all that's

00:25:49.069 --> 00:25:53.789
left is the vacuum of speculation. Yeah. I enjoyed

00:25:53.789 --> 00:25:58.049
it. So I'm looking up. Did I hear correctly that

00:25:58.049 --> 00:26:01.069
Ex Machina may be getting a sequel? What? Really?

00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:04.279
Maybe I'm wrong. It's going to be iRobot. It's

00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.819
going to down, like, crater. Yeah, right. It's

00:26:06.819 --> 00:26:09.039
going to iRobot territory. Yes, right. Okay,

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.279
so it says there won't be one. There won't be

00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.740
one. Okay, great. Yeah, I just, I feel like I

00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.220
saw something that said there might be. I definitely,

00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.000
there's no direction that movie could go that

00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.980
wouldn't, there would, without fear of comparisons

00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:25.119
to other things that exist. Yeah. And no film,

00:26:25.220 --> 00:26:27.140
like, this isn't a spoiler, there's AI in it.

00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:29.660
No film wants to be compared to The Matrix. Yeah.

00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:31.519
Because when you hear that word, you're going

00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:33.920
to think very specific things. And not the original

00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.779
Matrix, but, like... Well, alright, sorry, you're

00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:38.480
right, you're right. Yeah, I'm thinking the original.

00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.279
The original Matrix. I thought you were talking

00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.339
about, like, sequels ruining something, but no,

00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:45.920
you're... That too, but, like, you know, there's

00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.259
some things where it's just, like, you know,

00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:50.299
there's, like, um... What's the right word for

00:26:50.299 --> 00:26:55.579
that? Like... pillars of a genre and when you

00:26:55.579 --> 00:26:57.839
get into the territory of AI there's like four

00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.619
or five distinct like you hear AI in a film and

00:27:00.619 --> 00:27:02.339
your mind goes to like one of a few different

00:27:02.339 --> 00:27:05.759
types of films and like Blade Runner one of them

00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.700
you know there's unique ways and I think Ex Machina

00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:13.220
ends on such a good note that it really defines

00:27:13.220 --> 00:27:15.819
itself as a really unique take on this genre

00:27:15.819 --> 00:27:17.759
that anything that's going to come afterwards

00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.240
is just going to be compared to Blade Runner

00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.759
or The Matrix or iRobot. Right, yeah. Have you

00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.079
guys watched Annihilation? Yes, I have. I have

00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.799
not. Okay, you have not. Okay, so I'm wondering

00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.460
more so, Alex Garland, is it a similar style?

00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:34.740
Is it a different style? You can definitely tell

00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:36.420
it's the same director. You can definitely tell

00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:38.720
he has a hand in it. I would say Annihilation

00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.819
is actually much closer to a horror film. Okay.

00:27:41.600 --> 00:27:43.960
And Annihilation is also adapted from a novel,

00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.119
and I haven't read that novel. So I would say

00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.299
that it's not, like, the narrative is definitely

00:27:49.299 --> 00:27:53.000
way different. But it still has some great character

00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.640
moments. Like, it still has kind of similar strengths

00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.460
to Ex Machina in terms of it's beautifully shot.

00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.000
The scope of the movie is way bigger, though,

00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.640
I would say. Like, there's way more sets, just

00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.500
period. And way more characters. It goes somewhere.

00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:05.920
Yes, right. There are characters exploring an

00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.460
environment. Did he write the screenplay for

00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:11.710
both of them? Yes. Yes. Okay. He did, yeah. According

00:28:11.710 --> 00:28:16.150
to IMDB. They both ask very heady questions of

00:28:16.150 --> 00:28:19.569
the sci -fi variety, but Annihilation covers

00:28:19.569 --> 00:28:20.829
something very different that I don't want to

00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:24.240
spoil that in. But yeah, I think Annihilation's

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.440
a pretty different film. I tend to prefer Ex

00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.200
Machina, but I would say that's down to taste.

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.420
Yeah, and that's totally fair, because I mean,

00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.500
they are different movies for what their style

00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:35.019
is. Yeah, exactly. And then, okay, the only other

00:28:35.019 --> 00:28:37.880
thing he's really done directing -wise is devs,

00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:39.720
and he's done some episodes. Yes, he's done some

00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.779
episodes of devs, yes. That's why I was trying

00:28:41.779 --> 00:28:44.359
to... So he's like, basically, he's known for

00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.680
writing screenplays. Yeah, and his writing, I'm

00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.380
sitting here going, like, this is awesome, because

00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:52.849
he did 28 Days Later, he did, obviously, slave

00:28:52.849 --> 00:28:55.849
uh dread devil may cry ex machina annihilation

00:28:55.849 --> 00:28:58.730
and then some of the episodes of devs yeah so

00:28:58.730 --> 00:29:01.809
okay all right so we get down to rating yeah

00:29:01.809 --> 00:29:03.730
what would you give this i know you said it's

00:29:03.730 --> 00:29:06.069
one of your favorite movies yeah so what would

00:29:06.069 --> 00:29:09.109
you give this i would give this like a 4 .75

00:29:09.109 --> 00:29:12.309
oh man i should have come up with a metric beforehand

00:29:12.309 --> 00:29:18.130
shut up 4 .75 awkward dance interludes oh god

00:29:18.130 --> 00:29:23.049
yeah It's a moment. It's a moment where it's

00:29:23.049 --> 00:29:26.390
like the tension has kind of built and then it's

00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:32.470
just like dancing. It's so good. I love it. I

00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:38.009
would give it four out of five broken arms. Broken

00:29:38.009 --> 00:29:43.430
arms slash hands. Cool. So we're going to go

00:29:43.430 --> 00:29:47.009
a different direction entirely. Yes. Time for

00:29:47.009 --> 00:29:48.920
something way more. later let me tell you this

00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.680
is this is one heck of a double feature that

00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.359
we watched yeah totally yes i believe that actually

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:58.130
um having seen this movie so so for the Assignment,

00:29:58.190 --> 00:30:01.029
I guess, if you will. I wanted to do a director

00:30:01.029 --> 00:30:03.309
that I could look at of films that I've seen

00:30:03.309 --> 00:30:05.829
and I could say, like, okay, there is a style

00:30:05.829 --> 00:30:08.809
here. I originally wanted to do Hitchcock, but

00:30:08.809 --> 00:30:11.450
it turns out that he has a very large filmography

00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:14.349
and a good 10 years of that is just not accessible

00:30:14.349 --> 00:30:17.549
anywhere. So it's not really his directorial

00:30:17.549 --> 00:30:19.809
debut if he's been directing for 10, 15 years

00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:21.730
when you finally get to a movie you can watch.

00:30:21.930 --> 00:30:25.490
So instead I decided to do Mel Brooks because...

00:30:26.089 --> 00:30:31.269
He is such a distinct style, still funny. And,

00:30:31.549 --> 00:30:33.509
you know, going into this, I actually didn't

00:30:33.509 --> 00:30:36.670
know what his directorial debut was. So I was

00:30:36.670 --> 00:30:39.049
really surprised when it turned out to be The

00:30:39.049 --> 00:30:44.309
Producers. The Producers. 1967, actually. Specifically,

00:30:44.769 --> 00:30:48.569
November 22nd, 1967. I have the page for it over

00:30:48.569 --> 00:30:54.390
here. For those of you who may not have ever

00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:57.089
heard of this film, or maybe are not familiar

00:30:57.089 --> 00:31:00.660
with the Broadway... that came out in the early

00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:04.460
2000s or the Unfortunate movie remake from the

00:31:04.460 --> 00:31:07.799
mid -2000s. I take offense to Unfortunate. It

00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.119
was still decent. It's nowhere near as good as

00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.500
the original. It's decent because of the material.

00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.819
And they were banking on... This is a whole side

00:31:15.819 --> 00:31:18.220
tangent. We'll get there. Yes, it is. So for

00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:20.099
those of you who might not be familiar with the

00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:24.940
story, The Producers is about a washed -up Broadway

00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:28.740
producer named Max Bialystock. Bialystock. who

00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:32.240
has had a series of flops, and at this point,

00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.259
he is frisking around with little old ladies.

00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.420
What was the name of the first old lady? Hold

00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.200
Me, Touch Me. She's credited as Hold Me, Touch

00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.920
Me, which I love. Hold Me, Touch Me. She likes

00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.259
to play the milkmaid and the water boy. Oh, and

00:31:47.259 --> 00:31:51.539
the chauffeur. And the chauffeur. Anyway, he's

00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:55.319
making money by frisking around with little old

00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.750
ladies to fund future musicals. plays though

00:31:58.750 --> 00:32:01.890
that's not really going well so one day during

00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:05.549
one of his romps with one of his lady paramours

00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:09.630
an accountant shows up played by gene wilder

00:32:09.630 --> 00:32:12.990
um and i didn't say it leo bloom is the the character

00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:15.569
played by gene wilder and max bialy stock is

00:32:15.569 --> 00:32:19.230
played by zero mostel um most of you if you don't

00:32:19.230 --> 00:32:23.500
um recognize that role of him from producers.

00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:25.059
You might know him from a funny thing that happened

00:32:25.059 --> 00:32:28.019
on the way to the forum. He's been around. He

00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:30.599
was a blacklisted actor. Really interesting history.

00:32:30.819 --> 00:32:35.000
Look him up. Anyway, Leo Bloom comes in. He's

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.819
a neurotic little kneebish wreck. Carries around

00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:43.099
a blanket with him. Very insecure. And after

00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:45.859
a rather frightening introduction, sits down,

00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.589
opens up the books. and realizes that Max had

00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:52.789
unintentionally raised $2 ,000 more than he needed

00:32:52.789 --> 00:32:56.210
for his last play. That play closed in a night,

00:32:56.309 --> 00:32:59.809
so no one really knew otherwise. And then as

00:32:59.809 --> 00:33:02.690
he's kind of muttering to himself, he says, you

00:33:02.690 --> 00:33:05.430
know, it's interesting. You can make a fortune

00:33:05.430 --> 00:33:08.529
by raising more money than you need for a meet

00:33:08.529 --> 00:33:12.650
for a play as long as it closes within a couple

00:33:12.650 --> 00:33:16.210
days. And Bialystock has that light bulb moment

00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:19.470
where he's like, this is it. I'm going to raise

00:33:19.470 --> 00:33:21.809
the money. There's a lot of little old ladies

00:33:21.809 --> 00:33:24.750
out there. We're going to put on the worst musical

00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:27.990
on Broadway or play. And it's going to close

00:33:27.990 --> 00:33:31.549
in a night. And we're going off to Rio. And Leo

00:33:31.549 --> 00:33:36.390
is like, that's illegal. I can't do this. 45

00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:38.609
minutes is just setting up this duo, and they

00:33:38.609 --> 00:33:42.710
have fantastic chemistry. Zero Muscle's Max Bialystock

00:33:42.710 --> 00:33:48.490
is just pure id. He has no shame. He's past rock

00:33:48.490 --> 00:33:51.630
bottom. As I said earlier, Gene Wilder's Leo

00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:55.329
Bloom is just this nervous wreck, and they just

00:33:55.329 --> 00:33:57.650
come together beautifully. There's a scene where

00:33:57.650 --> 00:34:00.369
he's having an anxiety attack, and you can see

00:34:00.369 --> 00:34:03.849
through the acting him visibly getting red. He's

00:34:03.849 --> 00:34:06.150
feeling that performance. Gene Wilder, great

00:34:06.150 --> 00:34:08.670
character. Great role. And this was his second

00:34:08.670 --> 00:34:11.690
role. I think this was his second film role.

00:34:11.829 --> 00:34:13.929
Was it? Yeah. Yeah, this is a very young Gene

00:34:13.929 --> 00:34:16.349
Wilder, too. I'm going to look that up. I believe

00:34:16.349 --> 00:34:17.889
you, but I'm just going to look it up just because

00:34:17.889 --> 00:34:20.269
I'm curious. So as they're reading through, they

00:34:20.269 --> 00:34:23.969
finally find their flop, and it is called Springtime

00:34:23.969 --> 00:34:28.650
for Hitler, a gay romp with Hitler and Ava. And

00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:31.769
they're like, this is it. This is our lightning

00:34:31.769 --> 00:34:35.869
in a bottle. So they seek out the author, a former

00:34:35.869 --> 00:34:38.949
Nazi, or as he would say, I'm innocent, Franz

00:34:38.949 --> 00:34:41.070
Liebkin, to get permission. Franz Liebkin. He's

00:34:41.070 --> 00:34:44.690
very excited to prove to the world that our concept

00:34:44.690 --> 00:34:47.269
of Hitler is wrong. We never knew the man. He

00:34:47.269 --> 00:34:50.489
was a fantastic dancer. He was in four TV series,

00:34:50.670 --> 00:34:53.989
one TV movie, and then just one film. Bonnie

00:34:53.989 --> 00:34:58.230
and Clyde. Yes. So they have the author's permission.

00:34:58.590 --> 00:35:03.409
They go, they get a director. um who it's the

00:35:03.409 --> 00:35:07.250
night it's the late 1960s he's gay they make

00:35:07.250 --> 00:35:10.110
lots of gay jokes i would say that they are not

00:35:10.110 --> 00:35:15.090
distasteful yeah they're not you can tell they're

00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:16.809
they're they're not like it hasn't aged super

00:35:16.809 --> 00:35:19.730
well but it's like whatever i mean what i'm a

00:35:19.730 --> 00:35:21.409
straight guy talking about this like you know

00:35:21.409 --> 00:35:22.750
if people find it offensive i wouldn't blame

00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:25.329
i would say it's not the most cringy thing in

00:35:25.329 --> 00:35:28.869
this movie and in fact like I'll get to it, but...

00:35:28.869 --> 00:35:31.750
There's a Nazi. There's lots of Nazis. Yes. We

00:35:31.750 --> 00:35:34.429
don't know what the original play was like, but

00:35:34.429 --> 00:35:36.329
the director reads it and he's like, oh my god,

00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:38.789
I'm going to get a line of chorus girls dressed

00:35:38.789 --> 00:35:42.869
as storm trippers, latex, black boots, doing

00:35:42.869 --> 00:35:46.469
high can -can kicks. Yep. This is gonna win me

00:35:46.469 --> 00:35:52.360
a Tony. The scheme progresses. They hold auditions

00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.380
to find a Hitler. The guy they end up picking,

00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.059
his name acronym is LSD. No, abbreviation. I'm

00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:02.900
sorry. His abbreviation is LSD. And he's this

00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:06.519
play on your 1960s love child. He shows up wearing

00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.780
a soup can around his neck. And he just is like,

00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:12.659
I got my groovy groove backup band here. Let

00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:15.820
me sing you a song. He's got flowers in his hands.

00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.739
That's our Hitler, someone shouts. Perfect. I

00:36:20.739 --> 00:36:22.420
think it was Bialstock who said, that's our Hitler.

00:36:22.539 --> 00:36:25.699
That's our Hitler. So the play goes on. It starts.

00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:28.599
And it's this wonderful opening number called

00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.860
Springtime for Hitler. And it's all about the

00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:34.159
triumphs of Germany. You know, they're goose

00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:38.400
-stepping two steps once more. Some people leave

00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.659
the theater. Some people leave, and Max Bialystock

00:36:41.659 --> 00:36:44.860
and Leo Blum are like, yes, we did it. We are

00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:47.099
going to close this. They've raised over, I think,

00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:51.099
25 ,000 % shares. That's how many shares of the

00:36:51.099 --> 00:36:54.320
show they have sold. They're like, we did it.

00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:56.980
And then they go off to a bar, and they're like,

00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:58.980
we're just going to wait, and it's going to be

00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:02.440
fantastic. But what happens is that after the

00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.659
opening number, we meet Hitler, this groovy,

00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:09.780
hippy -dippy guy, and the audience just starts

00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:13.500
laughing because it's hilarious. It's a parody.

00:37:13.659 --> 00:37:16.039
It's not a, yeah. Yeah, they've unintentionally

00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:19.659
created what, at least in this universe of the

00:37:19.659 --> 00:37:23.920
world, is the first satire of the Nazis. Right.

00:37:24.380 --> 00:37:28.329
And much to Max and Leo's... Horror, they find

00:37:28.329 --> 00:37:31.510
out later, this show will run forever. So the

00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:34.869
rest of the film is them trying to close off

00:37:34.869 --> 00:37:38.630
the show, be it shoot the actors. That joke did

00:37:38.630 --> 00:37:41.449
not age well. No, it did not. Shooting the actors,

00:37:41.670 --> 00:37:43.909
or as they ultimately settle, they decide to

00:37:43.909 --> 00:37:47.110
blow up the theater. They do blow something up,

00:37:47.269 --> 00:37:50.670
but they get caught and they get sent to jail.

00:37:50.949 --> 00:37:52.989
There's a wonderful courtroom scene right at

00:37:52.989 --> 00:37:55.409
the end where they're about to get their sentence

00:37:55.409 --> 00:37:58.630
and Leo stands up. And he's like, this man is

00:37:58.630 --> 00:38:02.469
selfish. He's mean. He's horrible. And Max the

00:38:02.469 --> 00:38:04.190
whole time is just like, don't help me. Please

00:38:04.190 --> 00:38:06.929
don't help me. Stop helping me. But it ends with

00:38:06.929 --> 00:38:08.769
Leo saying, you know what, though? He didn't

00:38:08.769 --> 00:38:11.909
hurt me because he helped me live. He didn't

00:38:11.909 --> 00:38:13.710
hurt these old ladies and throw all these old

00:38:13.710 --> 00:38:16.309
ladies behind them. He gave them one last thrill

00:38:16.309 --> 00:38:20.630
on their way to the cemetery. And they get a

00:38:20.630 --> 00:38:23.449
standing ovation. And the film ends with them

00:38:23.449 --> 00:38:26.949
running rehearsals for a show inside the state

00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:29.860
penitentiary. Was it Prison Time Lovers? Prison

00:38:29.860 --> 00:38:33.019
Producers of Love. Prisoners of Love. And you

00:38:33.019 --> 00:38:35.119
think they might be reformed, but no, they're

00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.260
selling shares of the play. Though we only see

00:38:39.260 --> 00:38:42.579
them sell 100%. We see three guys in line. One

00:38:42.579 --> 00:38:45.139
guy buys 20, another guy buys 30, and then a

00:38:45.139 --> 00:38:48.860
person shows up with a letter from the warden,

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:52.380
and it was like 50%. So it ends right there.

00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:54.019
So we're like, oh, do they raise more than that

00:38:54.019 --> 00:38:58.019
100? They may try to do it again. Overall, this

00:38:58.019 --> 00:39:01.139
movie has aged surprisingly really, really well.

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.920
Sorry. And my gambit paid off because you see

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.840
so much of Mel Brooks' distinct style in this

00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.559
movie. You know, fourth wall breaks to the audience.

00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.300
There's a scene where after Leo has a panic attack,

00:39:17.539 --> 00:39:19.360
Max looks at the camera. He's like, they find

00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:24.800
me. They always find me. I love that. God. You

00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.000
know, Mel Brooks has gone on record and said

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.360
that he's kind of made it his life goal to laugh

00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.119
at Hitler. And a couple years ago, I think it

00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.440
was in 2016, he was part of a documentary called

00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.940
The Last Laugh, I think it's called. Okay. And

00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:40.760
the entire documentary is about Holocaust humor.

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.820
What is it appropriate to laugh? What is it not

00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:45.260
appropriate to laugh? Okay. So they have all

00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:47.760
these famous comedians and directors talking

00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.469
about Holocaust humor. When it works, and it

00:39:51.469 --> 00:39:53.469
usually works best when you're making fun of

00:39:53.469 --> 00:39:56.989
the Nazis and Hitler. When does it not? When

00:39:56.989 --> 00:40:00.230
you're actually seeing the camps and the prisoners.

00:40:00.469 --> 00:40:02.769
And they talk about a whole bunch of different

00:40:02.769 --> 00:40:07.250
films. So, Life is Beautiful, the Italian film.

00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:09.610
A lot of people don't like that movie because

00:40:09.610 --> 00:40:14.510
they think that the father who's trying to lighten

00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:18.130
the mood for the son... is incredibly disrespectful.

00:40:18.329 --> 00:40:19.909
He's trying to make light of the situation for

00:40:19.909 --> 00:40:23.550
a child, but he's also indirectly being comedic

00:40:23.550 --> 00:40:25.730
to the audience. And some people think, well,

00:40:25.769 --> 00:40:27.949
we shouldn't be laughing when they're in this

00:40:27.949 --> 00:40:29.929
concentration camp, even if it's for the sake

00:40:29.929 --> 00:40:35.289
of this child. There's a movie, I can't remember

00:40:35.289 --> 00:40:37.090
what it's called, it's something about a clown.

00:40:37.750 --> 00:40:42.349
It's never been screened. I should have looked

00:40:42.349 --> 00:40:48.570
this up to begin with. It's also about laughing

00:40:48.570 --> 00:40:52.210
at the Holocaust and the person who is in it.

00:40:52.230 --> 00:40:54.389
The day the clone cried? Yes. This movie has

00:40:54.389 --> 00:40:58.050
never had a public screening. It is complete,

00:40:58.269 --> 00:41:00.010
but... Sorry, Jerry Lewis. Jerry Lewis. I remember

00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:01.809
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jerry Lewis, I think,

00:41:01.829 --> 00:41:04.030
retroactively was like, I'm ashamed that I was

00:41:04.030 --> 00:41:06.369
part of this. The other part of the last laugh

00:41:06.369 --> 00:41:10.070
follows a Holocaust survivor who's this spitfire

00:41:10.070 --> 00:41:13.110
of a woman who, for her, she's like, no, I have

00:41:13.110 --> 00:41:16.610
to laugh because... laughing is part of you know

00:41:16.610 --> 00:41:20.909
is what makes you alive yeah and mel brooks goes

00:41:20.909 --> 00:41:23.610
into why he thinks this musical the producers

00:41:23.610 --> 00:41:26.630
lives on as such a good film yeah is because

00:41:26.630 --> 00:41:28.690
it what it makes fun of it does so well and it

00:41:28.690 --> 00:41:31.489
kind of lets the air out of the room yeah and

00:41:31.489 --> 00:41:35.489
you should really hate max and leo but you kind

00:41:35.489 --> 00:41:38.050
of are rooting for them to fail right because

00:41:38.050 --> 00:41:41.280
they're kind of there's this weird underdog Nice

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.719
to them. And you see that in other Mel Brooks

00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.280
characters. Blazing Saddles. I should have looked

00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.559
up characters' names, but you see that with the

00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.039
new sheriff in town and then Gene Wilder's character,

00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.199
who's like a cowboy who used to be... Fast as

00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:54.739
hand in the West. Fast as hand in the West, before

00:41:54.739 --> 00:41:58.059
he started drinking. Yep. Robin Hood Men in Tights

00:41:58.059 --> 00:42:00.119
in the early 90s, same deal. They're kind of

00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.199
a ragtag crew. In this case, you know, you're

00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.300
supposed to be rooting for them. They're Robin

00:42:04.300 --> 00:42:06.289
Hood. But they're kind of mismatched, and you

00:42:06.289 --> 00:42:08.730
have all these weird personalities coming together.

00:42:09.150 --> 00:42:11.690
I'm so mad I didn't think of Gene Wilder's character

00:42:11.690 --> 00:42:14.869
in Blazing Saddles, because he goes, My name's

00:42:14.869 --> 00:42:20.050
Jim. My friends call me... Jim. Like, it's such

00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:22.710
a dumb joke, but I love it. Yeah. Sorry, keep

00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:25.369
going. The producers, and pretty much any Mel

00:42:25.369 --> 00:42:28.480
Brooks film, is very meme -able. Young Frankenstein,

00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:31.559
which reunited Mel Brooks with shooting Wilder

00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:33.099
in 1874. It's my personal favorite Mel Brooks

00:42:33.099 --> 00:42:36.679
film. Great film. And also, a weird crew. Where

00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.500
it's like, you've got these personalities that

00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:42.940
range from, like, high ball of anxiety to egomaniac.

00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:46.500
Right. Coming together and just telling a really

00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:49.500
great story. Regarding the musical, they did

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:53.199
make one in the early 2000s. First musical I

00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.500
ever saw. That's why I have the soft spot for

00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:57.420
the producers. I saw it when I was too young

00:42:57.420 --> 00:43:00.280
to understand what I was looking at. I didn't

00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.800
understand it, but... Yeah, but I would say that

00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.179
having... I'm a fan of the musical, and they

00:43:05.179 --> 00:43:08.980
did a really good job converting the... making

00:43:08.980 --> 00:43:11.619
songs out of the original script. Yeah, right.

00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.079
So you can mention, like, oh, this is when they

00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:15.699
made the musical. Like, oh, that makes sense.

00:43:15.699 --> 00:43:18.099
No, I don't think... the song that the the plays

00:43:18.099 --> 00:43:21.559
hitler love power yeah right in that's not in

00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.500
the musical which is a shame because that song

00:43:23.500 --> 00:43:26.460
fucking slaps you might have to bleep me out

00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:31.599
for that um and then in 2005 myself now or like

00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:37.219
how myself how to me yes exactly yeah so um in

00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:40.659
2005 they did a film adaptation of the musical

00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:43.219
with uh nathan lane and matthew broderick who

00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:45.519
originated the roles on broadway and that's one

00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.440
of the reasons why the musical works so well

00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.860
yeah is nathan lane is the perfect stand -in

00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:54.780
for zero mostel matthew broderick is the same

00:43:54.780 --> 00:43:57.440
for exactly it is fantastic chemistry between

00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.639
those two the reason the movie does not work

00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.340
is because they hired a stage director to direct

00:44:03.340 --> 00:44:05.820
a film so she directed it the way you would a

00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:08.780
show And if you watch the movie, there are pauses

00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:11.380
that would be there for the audiences to like

00:44:11.380 --> 00:44:16.199
laugh or clap. And it's really clunky. And if

00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.440
you're, this is going to date the podcast, but

00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.800
Hamilton's about to, the film version of Hamilton's

00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.480
about to come out tomorrow. And the way that

00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.699
they did this is that it's not a film adaptation.

00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:32.760
It is. The performance. They sat in on three

00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.820
different performances plus rehearsals and they

00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:37.940
had different cameras set up to get all the shots

00:44:37.940 --> 00:44:39.380
that they needed. So they have a lot of shots

00:44:39.380 --> 00:44:41.219
from pulled out. They have different shots pulled

00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:45.059
in. And in a way, I kind of wish that they had

00:44:45.059 --> 00:44:46.760
just done that with the producers because it

00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.460
would have worked so much better than trying

00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:53.440
to make a film out of it. Yeah, that was a little

00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.880
tangent. Overall, producers, great film. I highly

00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.139
recommend it if you have not seen it. It is a

00:45:00.139 --> 00:45:03.099
great piece of film. The original is fantastic.

00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.239
It is a little dated, we will say. Sure, but

00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.599
it's still funny. I had multiple laugh out loud

00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.260
moments. I'm just saying there's little things.

00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.780
There are little problematic... Yeah. Points,

00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.940
I would say. Yes. There are problems. I would

00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:21.519
say that the treatment of the director who is

00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.079
gay is not the worst thing you will see from

00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.739
a film from that era. Yes. But it is also not

00:45:27.739 --> 00:45:30.219
PC. I mean, let's face it, it's Mel Brooks. I

00:45:30.219 --> 00:45:33.480
mean, he has blazing saddles on his record, like,

00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:35.739
where that's problematic because of the use of

00:45:35.739 --> 00:45:37.519
the N -word. Right, right. You know, and, like,

00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.840
that kind of stuff. Where it's things that were

00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:42.960
a different time, and, like, we're not excusing

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.949
it, but at the same time, like... Going knowing.

00:45:46.070 --> 00:45:48.610
Going knowing. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yes, go

00:45:48.610 --> 00:45:51.710
into this film knowing that, knowing it's from

00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:55.170
the late 60s, it's not from 2020. Right. This

00:45:55.170 --> 00:45:56.929
movie would not be made today. Yes, right, yeah.

00:45:56.929 --> 00:45:58.610
It physically could not be made today. Yeah.

00:45:59.269 --> 00:46:01.750
Yeah. So what would you give it, rating -wise?

00:46:01.909 --> 00:46:04.409
Oh, my God. I would give it five out of five

00:46:04.409 --> 00:46:09.309
pretzel bras. Yeah? Oh, all right. I would give

00:46:09.309 --> 00:46:13.800
it four. and a half nazi can -can formations

00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.539
out of five okay you guys watched some swastikas

00:46:16.539 --> 00:46:19.659
two great movies there yeah no it was two great

00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:22.079
movies but it was also just tonal whiplash yeah

00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.760
like oh yeah i mean i'm really happy i didn't

00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.699
do hitchcock because after watching x mocking

00:46:25.699 --> 00:46:27.380
it up i'm like hey we're gonna watch psycho now

00:46:27.380 --> 00:46:29.960
yeah it's not his direct total debut but like

00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.480
we're gonna watch psycho or window yeah you would

00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.300
have just been like no i can't do it yes right

00:46:34.300 --> 00:46:37.260
i'm like we're done All right, well, then I'm

00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:39.059
going to talk about something that also hasn't

00:46:39.059 --> 00:46:42.420
aged well. All right. Hell, yeah. Originally,

00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:44.679
I went into this thing going, I'm going to find

00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.280
a comedic director, because I was just like,

00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.719
we need some comedy. At this point, I knew we

00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.719
had Alex Garland, and I knew we had Damien Chazelle.

00:46:51.860 --> 00:46:54.780
And Damien Chazelle, though he's kind of borderline

00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:58.360
comedy drama, it was just more drama, I felt

00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.420
like. I didn't know you were doing Mel Brooks,

00:47:00.619 --> 00:47:03.219
but I looked at Edgar Wright, who's one of my

00:47:03.219 --> 00:47:06.500
favorite directors. Originally, I thought it

00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:08.400
was going to be Shaun of the Dead. It ended up

00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.300
being this movie called Fistful of Fingers, which

00:47:11.300 --> 00:47:15.079
is impossible to find. It is a spaghetti western

00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.000
in Britain, and it is literally impossible to

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:23.019
find. He has essentially cut it being distributed.

00:47:24.139 --> 00:47:26.320
So then I was just like, okay, I'm not going

00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:27.719
to do Shaun of the Dead, so I'm going to watch

00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:29.880
something entirely different. I thought about

00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.800
some of my favorite directors and I didn't find

00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.699
a comedic director. I found Sam Mendes, who directed

00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:39.260
1917 most recently. And I just thought about

00:47:39.260 --> 00:47:41.559
how great I thought that movie was. So I went

00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.179
back to find his first. His first was a little

00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:49.780
film called American Beauty. Yep. Yeah, we're

00:47:49.780 --> 00:47:51.860
going to go there. So was this your first time

00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:53.619
watching American Beauty? This was my first time

00:47:53.619 --> 00:47:55.980
watching American Beauty. Wow. And did you know,

00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:59.030
besides just having spaces in it, Did you know

00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:02.349
anything about it? I knew a slight amount about

00:48:02.349 --> 00:48:05.210
it. Okay. I knew about, like, the paper bag scene.

00:48:05.510 --> 00:48:11.210
Yep, okay. And I knew about a little of the premise.

00:48:11.510 --> 00:48:14.090
Okay. And so, like, I knew it was, like, this

00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:17.349
guy's basically going through his midlife crisis

00:48:17.349 --> 00:48:20.150
after, but I didn't realize it was, like, his

00:48:20.150 --> 00:48:22.130
wife belittles him, his daughter belittles him,

00:48:22.250 --> 00:48:24.650
and he meets his daughter's friend, and that,

00:48:24.750 --> 00:48:31.420
like, arouses an awakening in him. Yep. So this

00:48:31.420 --> 00:48:35.559
movie would have been troublesome to watch before

00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.239
the Kevin Spacey stuff. It was made to be troublesome,

00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.320
right? I would argue. It's all about what I would

00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.800
call troublesome relationships. It's weird. It's

00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.699
like this take on it and everything like that.

00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:50.559
It's not supposed to be the healthiest relationships

00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.380
right off the bat. Because there's the weird

00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:57.719
son played by... Oh, what's his name? Oh, shoot,

00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.920
yes. I'm bringing it up right now. I gotta just

00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:01.860
have this up. Because I think I know who plays

00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:06.840
the daughter. So, Wes Bentley is the weird son.

00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:10.539
Thor Birch is the daughter. Or Thor Birch. Annette

00:49:10.539 --> 00:49:13.800
Bening is the wife. Kevin Spacey, obviously.

00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:19.079
Peter Gallagher is in it. Allison Janney. Chris

00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:24.510
Cooper. Scott Bakula. It's a loaded cast. And

00:49:24.510 --> 00:49:27.030
I'm still shocked Mitchell guessed what the movie

00:49:27.030 --> 00:49:29.789
was when I said that it had John Cho in it. Yeah.

00:49:29.909 --> 00:49:33.570
Because he figured it out from that. John Cho

00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:37.110
was literally just a... He went to a sale of

00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:39.409
a house and looked at the house and he was in

00:49:39.409 --> 00:49:42.630
for 30 seconds and he was gone. But somehow Mitchell

00:49:42.630 --> 00:49:47.269
guessed that was the movie. So, basically, Kevin

00:49:47.269 --> 00:49:52.070
Spacey plays Lester Burnham. He meets his daughter's

00:49:52.070 --> 00:49:55.539
friend, Angela. who's played by Mina Suvari.

00:49:56.179 --> 00:49:58.000
I don't know what else she's been in lately,

00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:04.380
but basically falls in love with her and just

00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:08.860
keeps seeing her. And then it starts his midlife

00:50:08.860 --> 00:50:11.559
crisis where he realizes he's old, but he's not

00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:13.559
living his life to the fullest. So he does things

00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.199
like quit his job. He goes and works at a burger

00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:20.059
shack. Literally, all he wants to do is be a

00:50:20.059 --> 00:50:23.260
line cook at a McDonald's. Not an actual McDonald's,

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:24.639
but that's essentially what he wants to do. The

00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:33.199
standard, yeah. Yeah. The movie's weird. Yes.

00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:38.440
Because it is supposed to be strange. There's

00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.000
a character called The General that thinks his

00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:45.840
son is doing sexual favors for him, for Lester.

00:50:46.460 --> 00:50:49.559
And really, he's just selling them weed. Because

00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.320
he's just smoking weed. He's smoking a ton of

00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.760
weed and stuff like that. The son, Wes Bentley,

00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:58.159
he's a filmographer that's just disconnected

00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.380
from the human condition, pretty much. Where

00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:02.280
he just catches it through the camera versus

00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:07.039
actually experiencing it. The wife, Annette Bening,

00:51:07.099 --> 00:51:10.320
who plays Carolyn, has an affair with Peter Gallagher,

00:51:10.340 --> 00:51:16.179
who plays Buddy Kane. It's just all around weird.

00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.800
And it starts with the fact that Lester's going

00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.699
to die today. And you're checking into his life

00:51:22.699 --> 00:51:25.300
and that kind of thing. What I will say about

00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:29.260
the movie that I'm trying to separate, because

00:51:29.260 --> 00:51:32.519
I'm trying to separate Kevin Spacey from this

00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.119
film. Yeah, it's hard. And he is the main character.

00:51:35.179 --> 00:51:37.980
He's the main character and, you know. This is

00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:41.719
really the first. Kevin Spacey heavy movie that

00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.699
I've watched since the stuff came out. You had

00:51:43.699 --> 00:51:46.400
a tough time watching Baby Driver. I was like,

00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.380
there's more Kevin Spacey than I remember. I

00:51:48.380 --> 00:51:51.880
love Baby Driver. I have not gone back to it.

00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:53.659
I mean, I still loved it, watching it again.

00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.699
But there is a lot of Kevin Spacey in there.

00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:58.880
It's like, sorry. Usual Suspects, one of my favorites.

00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:03.159
He's great in it, but it's so tough to watch.

00:52:04.989 --> 00:52:08.150
It's such a hard thing to do to separate the

00:52:08.150 --> 00:52:11.150
actor from the movie. Art from artistry. And

00:52:11.150 --> 00:52:14.050
especially in this one because he's going after

00:52:14.050 --> 00:52:16.170
an underage girl. Right, that's the thing. The

00:52:16.170 --> 00:52:18.869
plot is just way too close to home at this point.

00:52:19.170 --> 00:52:21.070
I would say I would have done... I love Woody

00:52:21.070 --> 00:52:23.530
Allen films. I don't love Woody Allen, but I

00:52:23.530 --> 00:52:25.929
love Batman's films. I wanted to do one of his,

00:52:26.010 --> 00:52:28.869
but I'm like, I think it's Manhattan. And I'm

00:52:28.869 --> 00:52:32.250
like, I can't because he dates an underage girl

00:52:32.250 --> 00:52:35.369
in that. And that's exactly it. Like, this was

00:52:35.369 --> 00:52:37.530
a really tough film to just be, like, watching

00:52:37.530 --> 00:52:40.909
and, like, separate everything from it. What

00:52:40.909 --> 00:52:44.530
I have taken is that I think Sam Rendez does

00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:47.090
a really good job in it. There's some scenes

00:52:47.090 --> 00:52:50.130
that kind of, like, there's one scene where Kevin

00:52:50.130 --> 00:52:52.190
Spacey's sitting on the couch and Annette Bening

00:52:52.190 --> 00:52:54.449
comes into the scene and he kind of pans out.

00:52:54.909 --> 00:52:57.389
but you don't get the face of Annette Bening.

00:52:57.389 --> 00:53:00.130
You just get the voice, and, like, you know it's

00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:01.809
her. Yeah. And, like, there's certain things

00:53:01.809 --> 00:53:03.750
like that that he does that I'm just like, oh,

00:53:03.789 --> 00:53:07.829
this is great. And I see the future director

00:53:07.829 --> 00:53:10.809
coming. Definitely. No, there's some nice shots

00:53:10.809 --> 00:53:12.309
there, because there's also a shot where he's...

00:53:12.619 --> 00:53:16.119
I remember there was a shot of him working at

00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.219
his desk job or whatever, and you could see a

00:53:18.219 --> 00:53:20.599
reflection in his monitor, and it looks like

00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.699
a jail cell. When you just say it out loud like

00:53:23.699 --> 00:53:25.199
that, it's like, oh, okay, it sounds pretty down

00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.639
-to -the -nose. But it's well done. And you've

00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.820
got to remember, this movie's like 1999. It's

00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:37.079
not like it's like, yeah, 1999. And so it's one

00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.860
of those things where it's literally like...

00:53:39.849 --> 00:53:42.989
It's a great movie, even though it's very uncomfortable.

00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:48.010
It's sitting at an 8 .3 on IMDb, 84 on Metascore.

00:53:49.610 --> 00:53:54.949
It's tough to separate now, but at the same time,

00:53:54.989 --> 00:53:59.949
I can see how people love this movie. It's meant

00:53:59.949 --> 00:54:01.789
to be problematic. It's meant to challenge you,

00:54:01.809 --> 00:54:06.980
and that kind of stuff. It won five Oscars. You

00:54:06.980 --> 00:54:08.659
know, this is including Best Director. It won

00:54:08.659 --> 00:54:13.500
five Oscars. Oscars. Oscars. Yes. So it won Best

00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:16.179
Director. Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor

00:54:16.179 --> 00:54:19.500
in a Leading Role, Best Writing, Screenplay,

00:54:19.780 --> 00:54:22.980
and Best Cinematography. This would have been

00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:25.280
the 2000 Oscars? Yep. I want to see what it beat.

00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:27.480
And there was also three other ones that it was

00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.500
nominating. Best Actress in a Leading Role, Best

00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:31.699
Film Editing, and Best Music Original Score.

00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.519
I don't know about the score, but whatever. Yeah.

00:54:35.469 --> 00:54:42.969
But it was a very good movie. I don't know. It's

00:54:42.969 --> 00:54:45.750
tough to separate. And so that's where I'm getting

00:54:45.750 --> 00:54:47.909
to my final rating because I think I have two.

00:54:49.070 --> 00:54:52.829
Before the Kevin Spacey stuff came up, I probably

00:54:52.829 --> 00:54:54.570
could have given this movie like a four out of

00:54:54.570 --> 00:54:58.500
five. Okay, yeah. After... It's like a two out

00:54:58.500 --> 00:55:00.400
of five, probably. Because it's just too uncomfortable.

00:55:00.619 --> 00:55:02.340
It's just too uncomfortable. So I guess your

00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:04.800
bottom line is you can't recommend this movie

00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.980
now. I can't recommend this movie now. Interesting.

00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.539
I haven't, because I watched it before and I

00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:11.519
also enjoyed it, but probably, I don't remember

00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.679
it well enough to give it a hard rating now,

00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.699
but if you asked me then, I would probably give

00:55:15.699 --> 00:55:17.519
it a four out of five as well. I didn't like

00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.960
the film. I found it in college. I found it to

00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:24.800
be, I get what it's trying to do, but the whole

00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.960
concept. Like, I like that it's a satire of American

00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:32.179
middle class, America middle Americana, but the

00:55:32.179 --> 00:55:36.179
whole concept of him lusting after the daughter's

00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:39.880
friend is just so, ugh. So that's interesting,

00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:41.199
right? Because I think that's, like, I mean,

00:55:41.219 --> 00:55:43.579
not to be that guy. Yes, but, like, I think that's

00:55:43.579 --> 00:55:45.380
also, like, I think that's where kind of gender

00:55:45.380 --> 00:55:46.960
comes in a little bit, right? Where it's, like,

00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:48.539
I can totally see that perspective, where it's,

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.960
like, the dude's a fucking predator, and, like,

00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:55.659
that's an unequivocal fact. Yeah. But when I

00:55:55.659 --> 00:55:57.780
first watched that movie, I was like, oh, man,

00:55:57.860 --> 00:55:59.599
this is just fucking tragic. You know what I

00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.900
mean? But, like, the thing is that when I watched

00:56:02.900 --> 00:56:06.440
it... I didn't even feel for the girl at all,

00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.059
like the friend at all, which she's the biggest

00:56:09.059 --> 00:56:11.800
victim out of all of them. And as much as I'm

00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:15.320
not victim -blaming or anything, she also tried

00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:18.760
to seduce me. It's not like she was saying, like,

00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:20.820
oh, I don't want this. But also she's a 16 -year

00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:24.599
-old girl. Yes. Who does not understand the ramifications

00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.219
of actions. And that's what the scene that got

00:56:28.219 --> 00:56:31.119
me from this whole thing. Even though it is dirty

00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:32.940
and wrong and everything like that. Yeah, yeah.

00:56:32.980 --> 00:56:35.420
The scene that got me in this thing was when

00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:38.239
he learns she was a virgin. Right. Yeah, I was

00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:39.579
going to say. Like, that's what sticks in my

00:56:39.579 --> 00:56:41.139
mind, too. Right. Yeah, and then he's just like,

00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.340
okay, I can't do this. Yeah, the reality kind

00:56:43.340 --> 00:56:45.059
of crashes in where it's just like, okay, there's

00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:49.519
desire, then there's acting on it, and this is

00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.869
just, she's a girl. Yes. She's not a woman, she's

00:56:52.869 --> 00:56:55.449
a girl. And the way I'd see it is that there's

00:56:55.449 --> 00:56:57.090
a reason that Kevin Spacey dies in that movie,

00:56:57.230 --> 00:56:59.869
and it's kind of because, to me, that was the

00:56:59.869 --> 00:57:02.070
movie, the film saying he's gone past the point

00:57:02.070 --> 00:57:05.389
of no return. He's irredeemable, is how I would

00:57:05.389 --> 00:57:07.329
frame that and make us in mind. And walk back

00:57:07.329 --> 00:57:09.710
into that marriage. Well, that, and also you

00:57:09.710 --> 00:57:13.030
can't walk back trying to have sex with a 16

00:57:13.030 --> 00:57:15.170
-year -old girl. Right. You know? I wouldn't

00:57:15.170 --> 00:57:16.750
have been surprised if that movie ended with

00:57:16.750 --> 00:57:19.179
him taking his own life. Like, you know, that's

00:57:19.179 --> 00:57:21.699
the thing. Or just faking his death. Yeah, just

00:57:21.699 --> 00:57:23.719
starting over. Pulling a Dexter. Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:23.940 --> 00:57:27.500
But, yeah, so it's very uncomfortable. As I said,

00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.699
before the Kevin Spacey stuff, I would have probably

00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:32.940
given it four out of five rose petals. Sure.

00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:34.940
You know, I mean, that's going to be the obvious.

00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a plastic bag, paper bag.

00:57:37.619 --> 00:57:41.219
Paper bag, exactly. I also thought about, after

00:57:41.219 --> 00:57:43.380
the Kevin Spacey thing, I'll give it two out

00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:47.079
of five videos in Sun's room that he has on the

00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.219
shelf. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's tough. It's an

00:57:51.219 --> 00:57:54.159
interesting case study for sure. It is. I haven't

00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:55.739
gone back to it. I don't think I will. I do have

00:57:55.739 --> 00:57:58.280
a question for you. So what about the movies

00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:02.840
distinct to Sam Mendes? That's the thing. I can't

00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.300
really say there's a certain thing because it's

00:58:07.300 --> 00:58:10.119
almost like it launched him the other way because

00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:14.480
Sam Mendes now... does a lot of change. I was

00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.639
about to say, I don't remember watching Skyfall

00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:18.960
and being like, oh man, this is a guy who made

00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.219
American Beauty. This is something that I noticed

00:58:21.219 --> 00:58:22.739
when I was trying to think about a director.

00:58:23.099 --> 00:58:26.059
Just because you're a director doesn't necessarily...

00:58:26.059 --> 00:58:28.519
There's so many other people who go into making

00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.960
a movie. Not every director has a distinct style.

00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:35.260
Not everyone is a Peter Jackson. Even Steven

00:58:35.260 --> 00:58:37.599
Spielberg. You know you're watching a Spielberg

00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.119
film, but at the same time, they're not screaming

00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:44.320
style. Yes. And his next movie was Road to Perdition,

00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:49.219
which I feel like could follow some closer semblance,

00:58:49.219 --> 00:58:51.699
is what I will say. And then he went to Jarhead,

00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.940
Revolutionary Road, Away We Go, then Skyfall

00:58:55.940 --> 00:58:58.300
and Spectre. Wow, really? There's that big of

00:58:58.300 --> 00:59:01.489
a gap? Away We Go is a fan... is like 180 from

00:59:01.489 --> 00:59:03.789
Revolutionary Road. Yeah. Three years between

00:59:03.789 --> 00:59:06.889
Away We Go and Skyfall. Okay, gotcha. One year

00:59:06.889 --> 00:59:09.429
between Revolutionary Road and Away We Go. And

00:59:09.429 --> 00:59:11.829
then you get three years in between Skyfall and

00:59:11.829 --> 00:59:14.329
Spectre. And finally... He directed Spectre,

00:59:14.329 --> 00:59:17.010
too? Yeah. Oh, wow. And then four years to 1970.

00:59:17.650 --> 00:59:19.989
Okay. So the only thing I will say that seems,

00:59:20.030 --> 00:59:24.349
like, consistent from the beginning to the end

00:59:24.349 --> 00:59:28.440
is that... He lets shots linger. And, like, yeah,

00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:30.800
it's easy to say 1917 because, like, it's all

00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.099
one shot or anything like that. But what I've

00:59:34.099 --> 00:59:36.000
found about American Beauty is that there's some

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.440
shots that just kind of go, like, it's just,

00:59:38.500 --> 00:59:41.360
all right, I've got this shot of you two, and

00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.539
you finish talking, but we're still here, just

00:59:44.539 --> 00:59:46.559
kind of lingering. And then all of a sudden,

00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.139
shoom, shoom, boom. You know, like that kind

00:59:50.139 --> 00:59:51.800
of thing, where it's, like, zoom in, zoom in,

00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:54.460
and then... Alright, back out to the fall. Harsh

00:59:54.460 --> 00:59:57.980
use of cross shots, I guess. From what? So I've

00:59:57.980 --> 01:00:01.219
seen American Beauty, I've seen Revolutionary

01:00:01.219 --> 01:00:03.639
Road, and I've seen Away We Go. And I don't know

01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.139
if this is him picking the movies he wants to

01:00:06.139 --> 01:00:11.019
direct or he's a thing. So all three of those

01:00:11.019 --> 01:00:15.780
films in this case are about American families.

01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:20.360
So we have middle class Americana, Revolutionary

01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.619
Road takes place. don't remember like it's like

01:00:23.619 --> 01:00:25.619
it's not present day it's like the 50s or the

01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:29.340
60s i think um and it's about a family coming

01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:31.380
apart and having their own skeletons in their

01:00:31.380 --> 01:00:33.940
closets and the marital strife between kate winslet

01:00:33.940 --> 01:00:37.599
and leonardo dicaprio away we go is almost like

01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:41.219
juno -esque okay in its quirkiness it's about

01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.639
a young new going to be parents trying to figure

01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.619
out what type of parents they want to be okay

01:00:47.619 --> 01:00:49.119
and you know they're not wealthy or anything

01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.539
like that right um and you know they go to three

01:00:52.539 --> 01:00:55.539
different places to experience three different

01:00:55.539 --> 01:00:57.659
types of parenting styles you know one of them

01:00:57.659 --> 01:01:00.659
is like you know your sports mom the other one

01:01:00.659 --> 01:01:02.900
of the the other one i remember is maggie gyllenhaal

01:01:02.900 --> 01:01:05.699
plays a sister okay i think and she's like this

01:01:05.699 --> 01:01:08.079
hippie to be love child mom who's also like a

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.940
collegiate professor at, like, a highbrow institution

01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:15.760
who doesn't believe in the institution of strollers.

01:01:16.699 --> 01:01:19.260
It's a very fun movie. But, you know, it's these

01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:24.960
different takes on life. Family life. So, I don't

01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:26.880
know if that's, like, Sam Mendes is a thing for

01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:28.599
that type of film. I don't know. I mean, because

01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.079
it feels like he's all over the board. I feel

01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.340
like he just doesn't want to be pinned down.

01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:36.719
And that, you know, it's... there's a difference

01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:39.179
between like Skyfall and Spectre. Even there's

01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:43.360
a difference between 1917 and like, obviously

01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.880
revolutionary road and away we go, you know?

01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.739
So it's just. It's something weird because it

01:01:48.739 --> 01:01:50.940
feels like none of his movies are really the

01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:54.039
same, even though they kind of are. Sure. I don't

01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.000
know. I don't know. I really like Sam Mendes.

01:01:56.420 --> 01:01:58.260
I'm going to go back and watch some of these

01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:01.519
other ones. Yeah. And it could just be that I

01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.380
just love 1917, so that's really why I wanted

01:02:04.380 --> 01:02:05.360
to do this one. I mean, that's a good reason

01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.699
as any, right? Yeah, exactly. Wherever they should

01:02:07.699 --> 01:02:12.079
have wrote it is the 50s. Okay. 50s. Okay. Well.

01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.039
Um, that will do it on our directorial debuts.

01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.000
Yeah. We are still stuck without movies at this

01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.019
point in time. Uh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Hamilton's

01:02:21.019 --> 01:02:22.980
coming out. Hamilton. I'm gonna be watching that

01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:26.300
tomorrow, for sure. Yeah. Musicals. Yeah, I mean,

01:02:26.300 --> 01:02:28.659
we're still stuck without new movies for a little

01:02:28.659 --> 01:02:32.280
bit. Tenet's the next movie. Whenever that's

01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:34.340
gonna come out. And Mulan. And Mulan. Wonder

01:02:34.340 --> 01:02:37.579
Woman. Mulan. Got pushed. Yeah. Okay. And it's

01:02:37.579 --> 01:02:39.699
just, it's more so, it feels like everything's

01:02:39.699 --> 01:02:42.449
just kind of following Tenet's lead. Yeah, well,

01:02:42.590 --> 01:02:45.329
so it's fascinating. WB has gone on record saying

01:02:45.329 --> 01:02:48.190
that they do not intend to have Tenet in theaters.

01:02:48.349 --> 01:02:50.869
They intend to have Tenet in theaters for way,

01:02:50.889 --> 01:02:53.630
way longer, and they're aware that we're just

01:02:53.630 --> 01:02:54.929
going to let people watch this movie when they're

01:02:54.929 --> 01:02:57.690
ready and feel comfortable, too. It's starting

01:02:57.690 --> 01:02:59.769
at seven weeks or something like that already,

01:02:59.989 --> 01:03:02.230
where it's just like it knows it's going to go

01:03:02.230 --> 01:03:04.469
for seven weeks, which a movie that hasn't been

01:03:04.469 --> 01:03:07.130
proven, seven weeks is a really long time. It's

01:03:07.130 --> 01:03:10.710
Nolan. What's the last time Nolan's put out a

01:03:10.710 --> 01:03:13.449
film that flopped? Yeah. Right, but... Actually,

01:03:13.550 --> 01:03:15.110
I can't even think of a Nolan film. Yeah, because

01:03:15.110 --> 01:03:19.969
even following flopped in comparison to the rest

01:03:19.969 --> 01:03:21.750
of them. Yeah. But that was just because nobody

01:03:21.750 --> 01:03:23.849
really knew who he was. Right. And now it's gained

01:03:23.849 --> 01:03:27.550
this following after. People are Nolan fans,

01:03:27.869 --> 01:03:30.710
right? Yes. So, yeah. And I gotta say, this movie

01:03:30.710 --> 01:03:35.010
just straight up has me already. didn't it yeah

01:03:35.010 --> 01:03:37.469
yeah you really don't know what it is i yeah

01:03:37.469 --> 01:03:39.889
yeah yeah i'm i'm interested i'm always down

01:03:39.889 --> 01:03:42.150
for a nolan romp like i like i enjoy his movies

01:03:42.150 --> 01:03:44.130
a lot um i mean you know and then jill and i

01:03:44.130 --> 01:03:48.289
were talking about it and it's like i i'm looking

01:03:48.289 --> 01:03:50.889
forward to going to the movie theater again i

01:03:50.889 --> 01:03:53.510
don't think i'll be watching this day one whatever

01:03:53.510 --> 01:03:55.900
day one is you know I kind of got to see how

01:03:55.900 --> 01:03:57.719
this goes. All of these movies are great. I've

01:03:57.719 --> 01:03:59.980
never seen Falling, but Memento, Insomnia. Yeah,

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.539
Memento is such a, like, yeah. Memento was so

01:04:01.539 --> 01:04:03.420
great. The Prestige. Yeah, he hasn't put out,

01:04:03.460 --> 01:04:05.599
like. The Prestige, yes. Forgot that was him,

01:04:05.659 --> 01:04:07.679
but yeah. Yeah, right. That makes sense. I'm

01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:09.739
an illusionist fan. Prestige is good, but I like

01:04:09.739 --> 01:04:11.239
The Illusionist better. Yeah. I was an illusionist

01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:13.860
fan. Yeah, fist bump. You jerks. Fist bump for

01:04:13.860 --> 01:04:15.019
The Illusionist. I will say that, like, both

01:04:15.019 --> 01:04:16.780
of them are, like, no matter how many times I

01:04:16.780 --> 01:04:18.840
see those films, both of them, I'm like, great

01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.679
ending, but The Illusionist, when the inspector

01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.739
figures it all out and claps. Yes, The Illusionist.

01:04:24.090 --> 01:04:27.289
I'm clapping, because I can see it. Yeah, the

01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:29.969
illusionist, the rug pull moment was better,

01:04:30.010 --> 01:04:31.829
I thought. Yeah, or it's like, if you actually,

01:04:31.889 --> 01:04:34.590
if you look, you can see it all. Yeah, but the

01:04:34.590 --> 01:04:37.070
rug pull moment is what you go on. I like the

01:04:37.070 --> 01:04:40.349
entirety of the prestige. I mean, prestige has

01:04:40.349 --> 01:04:44.949
David Bowie as Tesla. Andy Serkis carrying a

01:04:44.949 --> 01:04:47.690
cat around. You guys have now got me an idea

01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:50.489
that maybe we have to do where we just watch

01:04:50.489 --> 01:04:53.329
two movies that are very similar. And then put

01:04:53.329 --> 01:04:56.030
them head to head? Yes. I love a head to head.

01:04:56.309 --> 01:04:58.369
Alright. Let's do it. So we need to do Bugs Life

01:04:58.369 --> 01:05:00.429
versus Ants. Either that or we just need to watch

01:05:00.429 --> 01:05:02.710
a bad movie all together again. That's true too.

01:05:02.809 --> 01:05:04.889
You're right. We need to do that. I've got bad

01:05:04.889 --> 01:05:06.750
movies. Come up with a head to head though. I

01:05:06.750 --> 01:05:09.610
like that too. Ants versus Bugs Life. Yeah, right.

01:05:09.769 --> 01:05:12.110
That's obvious. That's an easy one. Yeah. We

01:05:12.110 --> 01:05:14.210
can talk about this. Olympus Has Fallen versus

01:05:14.210 --> 01:05:16.190
what the fuck was that? There was, like, White

01:05:16.190 --> 01:05:17.889
House Down or whatever it was. Yeah, something

01:05:17.889 --> 01:05:19.969
like that. That's just another one that's, like,

01:05:19.989 --> 01:05:21.909
the same movie that came out. Yep. That would

01:05:21.909 --> 01:05:23.809
actually, yeah, that's an interesting one because

01:05:23.809 --> 01:05:25.210
those came out at the same time. You need also,

01:05:25.369 --> 01:05:28.489
like, I feel like you need, like, a really, not

01:05:28.489 --> 01:05:30.909
the example here, but, like, Hunger Games versus,

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like, Diver, like, Hunger Games versus Diversion

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is, like, you can't really do that comparison

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because, like, it would be Hunger Games, but,

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like, they're both. Divergent versus Maze Runner.

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Right, that's the thing. I would put those two

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in the same league. Right, exactly. I'm not even

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a big Hunger Games guy, but that was a phenomenon.

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That was a phenomenon. Like, Hunger Games was

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a phenomenon. We're talking ones that fell through

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the cracks. Those two were standard YA adaptations.

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We will figure this out. We've got some time

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until the next big movie comes out. But there

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needs to be a game, because it's been a while

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since a game has been featured on Game for a

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Movie. We could definitely do a game and make

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somebody do a bad movie. Watch something bad.

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Okay. primarily I want it to be you to lose so

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I can enjoy another bad movie I just like bad

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movies you can lose now you've done enough shows

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you can be in this mix yeah right yeah but alright

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that'll do it for our friend Mitchell at the

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laundromat maybe abducted we don't know we'll

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find out we'll find out I am your host Mike Butank

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joined by Andre Bellinger Jill thank you for

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a game for a movie where we ask are you a game

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for a movie see you next time bye bye