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Hello and welcome to episode 22 of Game for a

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Movie. This is a special episode as we are still

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quarantined indoors, so there's still no new

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movies or anything like that. So we decided to

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do a little, what is it, cagetacular is what

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we're calling it? Cage match, yeah. Cage match,

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okay. Cage match. We have seen some Nicolas Cage

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movies as well as we've got some news, but first,

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I am your host, Mike Butak. I am joined by, let's

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go to Mitchell. Hi, it's Andre with Carol. I'm

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back. Hey, guys. And we have a special guest

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joining the show. Special guest, would you like

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to introduce yourself? Nah, not really. Okay,

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that's my buddy Jason. I was going to call him

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Paycap for the rest of the show. Obviously taking

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over for T -Dog. As opposed to T -Dog. a T -Dog.

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I've been waiting for this for weeks. Dude, I

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don't... I haven't seen a T -Dog in feels like

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months. I don't know where T -Dog is. We can

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play on... He's hanging out with Dorothy and

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Oz. We got out of town. Do you have any other

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theories? Anybody else where T -Dog might be?

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Let's see. Okay, so he... T -Dog is a very giving

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person. And when he heard about... He heard that,

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oh, shit, COVID -19 is changing everything. He

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decided to study medicine and try to figure this

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out. But then the murder hornets happened. And

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then he decided to go to Washington State and

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fight the murder hornets instead. And what he

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has since done is train praying mantises to fight

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the murder hornets. And so far, he's been successful.

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That's awesome. Yes. It's like me teaching praying

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mantises. Yeah, you got it. I have three words

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for you. ManBearPig. ManBearPig. ManBearPig.

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Guys, that's not real. If murder hornets are

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real, I believe anything is real, too. ManBearPig

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defeat murder hornets. For breakfast. I don't

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know, man. I don't think it's an easy one to

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chalk up. Murder hornets defeat Chuck Norris.

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Oh, my God. Is it 2006? So, we will jump in.

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There was a bit of news this week. There is a

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Tiger King miniseries coming out that Mitchell

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put us to that kind of let us know this was happening.

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It was the first one reported to the Game for

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a Movie podcast. Because cast as Joe Exotic is

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Nicolas Cage. Depending on how you feel about

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that, we've decided to jump in and cast our own

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Tiger King shows. And we've each taken about

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three to five people, three to five names, and

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just kind of come up with who we think they should

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play in the Tiger King limited series, given

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that we have a full budget, can get any star

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we want. So, shall we start with our special

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guest, Jason? Sure. Alright, so the top five

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characters and their corresponding actors that

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should be played in this Tiger King miniseries

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that I'm putting together. First off, starting

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off strong, Joe Exotic should 100 % be... I can

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see him pulling off the hair. That's where I'm

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seeing it for sure. Complaining. He just has

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to get a little more high -pitched in his whining,

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but it is perfect. I have faith that he can pull

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off the voice. I think it's a very doable voice.

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I just imagine you going into a pitch meeting,

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Kenny Powers plus Tigers. Exactly. That's how

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Kenny Powers would do it. Okay, but then of course

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he needs his adversary in Carole Baskin, which...

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No one should be playing Carole Baskin other

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than Kate McKinnon. Kate McKinnon as Carole Baskin

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is just comedy gold. She will give you that dry

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little, like, good morning, cats and kittens.

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Jason, what if I were to tell you that's actually

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happening? Oh, it's actually happening. Okay,

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good. Okay. But not in the Kate one. Not in the

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Kate one. It's in the competing series. You're

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right. Right, right. So I'm... I did not know

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that there was two. What? Yes, there are two

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competing series. Wow, jeez. Who's doing the

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other one? I actually don't even know who's doing

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the Nicolas Cage one. CBS is doing the Nick Cage

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one. Yes. CBS. CBS, okay. CBS. CBS with a T.

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Oh, T, TBS. No, no, no, CBS. I wonder who's doing

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the Kate McKinnon one. HBO? I think that one's

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a movie, so probably like a studio. Okay, that's

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a movie. Moving on, Jeff Lowe, the world's most

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blatant con man in the world. Pretty sure that

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one's going to end up being Jonathan Banks, known

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as Mike Irvingtrout from Breaking Bad and Better

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Call Saul. There you go. I like it. That's a

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little broader than it. Wow, but I see it. I

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see it. I like it. make you fear for your life

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in the same way that Joe Exotic did. And then

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for Doc Antle, I mean, literally as I watched

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Tiger King, all I could see was Will Ferrell.

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So, like, I'm going to have to slot Will Ferrell

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into there. Okay. Okay. And then last, in pre

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-production, I said this was the perfect casting.

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Saf, the tiger handler with one arm, will be

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played by Michael Pena because Michael Pena will

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be super chill about having only one arm. So

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are we just like crossing genders right here?

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Or is it just as a man? So really? Yes. What?

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Yeah. Oh, did I know that? If you would have

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been on time, you would have heard this. Oh,

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okay. Well, I was on time, Andre. Hey, man. No,

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I seriously moved my schedule back. That's either

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here or there. We can blame Andre for that one.

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He did push us back. That one's on me. And because

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of that, Andre, you guys get to follow now. Sweet.

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Hell yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I mean, all

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right. This is like more of a collaborative effort

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between Joe and myself. So, I mean, honestly,

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for Joe Exotic, I mean, as long as you love Nick

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Cage, I really got to feel like we got to listen

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to the big man himself on this one. David Spade

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kind of lines it up for us really well. I got

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to agree with Joe himself. Yeah, it kind of makes

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sense. And, like, what, is he busy? Like, I just

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don't get, like, what is he up to? He's making

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copies. Oh, yeah. He's got his own show. He does?

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Yeah, like, Lights Out with David Spade or something

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like that. That was canceled years ago. No, it's

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still going. I'm throwing my challenge flag on

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that one. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. Look

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it up. Yeah. Next, for Jeff Lau, our take on

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it is Woody Harrelson. Harrelson. Harrelson.

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I wrote Woody Harrelson. Jason, when did you

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say that show got cancelled? March 12th, 2020.

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You motherfucker. Years ago. Yeah, that got cancelled

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years ago. In quarantine, it does feel like years

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ago. Woody Harrelson as Doc Antle. I don't say.

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Jeff Lowe. For our Doc Antle, originally we had

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Patton Oswalt and then I joked about Paul Dano.

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I don't know. Paul Dano is. Paul Dano. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Put him in the way. It would be wonderful.

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I can see him melted to death. Like 30 pounds?

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Yes. Why not? There's going to be a lot of heavy

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makeup. Paul Dano's a weird guy. I think he'd

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be down. He's, you know, a Swiss Army man. Like,

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he's clearly in touch with his avant -garde side.

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And I've only seen a little... What's it called?

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Lights Out with David Spade on April 3rd. Comedy

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Central said it would not air new. shows on its

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network, although the network has stated it will

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attempt to sell the show to a third -party network.

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You said years ago. We have two more. For Rick

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Kirkham, the dude who decided to give Joe a shot

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at actual stardom, Andre suggested... Gotta be

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willing to foe. I feel like I could... Yeah,

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alright. And then last but not least, starring

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as tiger number one, Andy Serkis. Yes. Not just

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tiger number one, all the tigers. All the tigers.

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And the tiger cubs too, yeah. The cubs, the bears,

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the, you know. The tiger that Carol Baskin fed

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her husband to. I didn't even say that. Nick

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Cage handing a tiger to folks as they come visit

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the park and it's just Andy Serkis. Mitchell,

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what do you got on your list? Well, I didn't

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construct a full list, but I did have Willem

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Dafoe as my Joe Exotic. Oh. That's the thing.

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About casting anyone in this world, you have

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to immediately buy, okay, this person is crazy

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enough to exist in this world. And for whatever

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reason, his filmography probably explains it

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all. Willem Dafoe has that kind of baggage that

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will absolutely work in his favor in this case.

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If anyone has not seen The Lighthouse and see

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exactly how batshit he could be, I highly recommend

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it, though it is definitely a unique watch that

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isn't for everyone. So, Willem Dafoe, who did

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you guys cast him as? In what role? As Rick Kirkman.

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He was the producer guy. He was trying to make

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Rich off of him. Oh, for real. You know what?

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The super deep throat. Yeah. My thing is, I don't

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think people gave that guy enough credit for

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being crazy. Because everyone, I think the way

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the documentary framed him, he's like, oh yeah,

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I'm just this outsider who's trying to profit

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off this dude's craziness. It's not my fault.

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You're living in this world. I don't know. I

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feel like he's as much a part of it as everyone

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else. Anyway, but Wunderfell needs to be in this

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fantasy project that we're playing together.

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Jeff Lowe. And it's only because of the dumb

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hat and like the do -rag or whatever he's wearing

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underneath it. I, when I was watching it, I got

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glimpses of Fred Durst. Oh, there you go. Fred

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Durst. Fred Durst the entire time. Like that

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is his fashion icon. Fred Durst had a movie.

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Yes. Oh my God. Yes. Fred Durst has a movie?

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Yeah. It was terrible. Yeah, it came out not

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that long ago, but yeah, keep going. Okay, my

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goodness. And then, because everyone's doing

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such a great job of filling out this world, I

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don't think we've cast Howard Baskin yet. I love

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Howard! Yes, Howard, who is the living husband

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of Carole Baskin. It's a very notable thing.

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Again, just purely based on looks and not because

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I want to employ this man to be in a film. This

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is completely done on his looks. It is Senate

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Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. They got the

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same droopy -ass face. He does look like Mitch

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McConnell. The thing is that I think Howard very

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clearly loves his wife a lot, and I just can't

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imagine him loving another human being at all.

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I just, yeah, I can't see that. Wait, he can't

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show that emotion? Yeah, right. He doesn't have

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the range. Yes, exactly. But he does look like

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him. That's crazy. Wow, I didn't even think of

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that. I just had a thought. Why is no one casting

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Tommy Wiseau as Doc Antle? He has the long hair.

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Just throw him in. This is people we want to

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see in a movie. You're right. No one knows. That's

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the beautiful part. And one more note on my casting

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list, going back to Joe Exotic. So to get my

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wheels turning on, okay, who would I cast as

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Joe Exotic? I threw his mugshot into one of those

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websites that tells you what celebrity you look

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like. Oh, there you go. Can you guys guess which

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very famous and very good actor that Joe Exotic

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allegedly looks like according to this video?

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No, not Leo. It is a beautiful young man, not

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Brad, ooh, my heart would melt. It is one Ryan

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Gosling. Oh my God. Joe would be so honored.

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And I'm sure Joe is just like, oh, they nailed

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it. That is exactly who he wants portraying him

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in the film. Oh my God. Mike, to finish this

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off, who do you have in your fantasy Tiger King

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cast? So I have to turn off my video because

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I'm using all of my services to have this call

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and record us. So you guys can't see me anymore.

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But Carol Baskin I have as Lisa Kudrow. Yes.

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It's just one of those ones that I feel like

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fits. Plus, I mean, Smelly Cat could make a reappearance

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somehow, someway, easily. Jeff Lowe. Only because

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of season one of Fargo, I have Billy Bob Thornton.

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Okay. Billy Bob Thornton. Wow. You know what?

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That's a guy I have not thought about in a while.

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Yeah. I can totally see that. I was looking up

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people that could pull off white facial hair,

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and for some reason, Billy Bob Thornton was in

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there. I don't know. I think Billy Bob Thornton

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belongs in that movie somewhere. Mike, did you

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Google that phrase? Yes. Guys who could pull

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off... white facial hair badass actors with white

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facial hair I'll allow it that was the that was

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the exact look because I wanted somebody like

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intimidating but like the the idea Billy Bob

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Thornton wasn't like physically intimidating

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he just came more so with the like the he's softly

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spoken going to murder everybody yeah yeah uh

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soft I actually I jumped on board with this.

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At first I was kind of like, no, but now I'm

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kind of like, okay. Ken Jeong. I don't... Okay.

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All right. Ken Jeong is who? Dr. Ken. As Saf.

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As Saf. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay. It's a weird one,

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but I kind of like it. I don't know. It's strange.

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Somebody pointed out that John Finlay looks like

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Shia LaBeouf, and I couldn't unsee it. And especially

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when like he cleaned up too. So he got like clean

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for the eighth episode that came out with the

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interviews and stuff. And he just, he looks a

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lot better and he could pull off Shia LaBeouf

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pre meth mouth. Did he have, did his hair grow

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back? Yes. And he had like long hair too. Like

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it wasn't just like a little bit. Uh, and then.

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Finally, the guy's name is James Gerritsen. He's

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famous for the jet ski. And I say that is Mark

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Davis, owner of the Raiders, 100%. It looks like

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I need to show you a picture. I know you did.

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You showed me when we watched something. The

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Nick Cage movie? Yeah. Yeah. It's the spitting

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image. It is the spitting image. We have no idea

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how his acting chops are, but you just got to

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bring him in. Whatever. He's probably terrible,

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but so was James Garrison, so it doesn't matter.

00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:08.509
So yeah, that's my list. We will probably do

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something about our list on our Instagram. Follow

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us, Game for a Movie. So now we jump into our

00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:20.069
Cage match. All of us saw at least three Nick

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Cage movies. And the idea was, the question was,

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is Nick Cage a good actor or a bad actor? Because

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he falls on that line in between where he does

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something good, where he wins an Oscar, and he

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does something terrible like he's in Humanity

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Bureau. God damn it. Why would you bring up that

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cursed film? Because. That was the first bad

00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:45.900
movie I watched for this podcast. It's all coming

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full circle. That's what I wanted to do. Yep.

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Yep. So, yeah. Let's start. Who wants to start?

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How about that? I'm just going to. good or bad

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yeah well we so we can start right so so jill

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and i we just watched uh magic men have either

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is have any of you guys seen that scene or heard

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of that movie at all i've heard of it i have

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not no okay all right so uh it's uh it's like

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an early 2000s film it stars nick cage and sam

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rockwell and they're both con artists um so nick

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cage has an extreme uh like obsessive compulsive

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disorder super particular about everything, and

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just Sam Rockwell is kind of like his right -hand

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man, and they're just really good at conning

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people out of their money through just all sorts

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of Ponzi schemes and stuff. And then Nick Cage

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basically finds out that he has an estranged

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daughter, and through that kind of turns over

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his whole entire very particular orderly life

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while trying to con people out of it. It's kind

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of, I don't know what genre to call it. Black

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comedy. I would say, what did you think about

00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.980
it? I actually really, really liked it, so I

00:19:08.980 --> 00:19:12.099
had no idea what this was going into it. As Andre

00:19:12.099 --> 00:19:14.440
was saying, Nicolas Cage used this con artist

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who discovers he has his daughter, and for a

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good chunk of the movie, it's just him bumbling

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around and trying to figure out how do I interact

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with this being that's come into my life who's

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touching my stuff. I don't know. Right. They're

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doing a con. Oh. which I described as being like

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Shutter Island, but not that it's revealed he's

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crazy the whole time. Okay. Right. Spoilers for

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Shutter Island, guys. It's kind of total whiplash,

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but I really enjoyed it, honestly. And I guess

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the key part is Nick Cage in this movie is great.

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It's peak Cage, and it's peak good Nick Cage,

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I would say. Okay. He has all these nervous tics

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that he sells it. Um, but also, I mean, in those

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emotional scenes where he's connecting with his,

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with his daughter, it's like, okay, I believe

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that relationship, you know, and how he's struggling

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to humanize and relate with her, uh, in both

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an entertaining, like kind of funny way, but

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also like an emotional way too. So, um, I should

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say this is, this is really Scott film, right?

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So yeah, but there's some weird. scene transitions.

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Like, there is a flip transition at one point

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in this movie. Right out of PowerPoint. Give

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me the flip transition. I want all of it. It

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was just in the middle of the movie, and I'm

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like, what? And they never do it again. It was

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very disorienting. My personal favorite is at

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the end, everything happens, and then it cuts

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to a year later. So they have the text due one

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year later, but it slides and bounces on the

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side of the screen, and it's like, what? Oh my

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god, yes! Right, and I feel like I want to say

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it's on purpose, but it just feels out of place.

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It feels like it has to be on purpose, right?

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man 2 this did not waste it's Sam Rockwell yeah

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it's really it's a good film Andre said that

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it has developed a cult following not cult following

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but like it's done very very well after it's

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release yeah Roger Ebert liked it a lot. He gave

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it four stars. I don't know if we care about

00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:06.460
Roger Ebert. But yeah, this was quite enjoyable.

00:22:06.539 --> 00:22:08.259
It was kind of weird to watch it after watching

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Trust, which we'll talk about later, I'm sure.

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Because it's kind of similar that he plays a

00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:18.019
con... It's a similar kind of role, you're right.

00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:21.480
He's trying to get a score. He's obsessed with

00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.980
it. Anyways, long story short, fun movie, fun

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concepts. I would recommend it. Maybe 15 minutes

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too long. Yes, a little overwrought. Now, all

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this sounds like it's great about the movie,

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but what does the cage do for it in terms of

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acting? You've got facial tics. You've got face

00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:46.349
contortions. You have a whole montage of him

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cleaning his apartment, including a scene where

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he's scrubbing something with a toothbrush. He

00:22:51.940 --> 00:22:54.960
plays that neuroticism so, so well. I'm not saying

00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:56.619
he's the only actor who could do it, but he's

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one of the few that I could believe in. It's

00:23:01.779 --> 00:23:04.539
the combo of being neurotic but also still likable.

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It's like, oh, Nick Cage, what are you doing,

00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:13.019
man? You're crazy. You little scamp. On that

00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:16.660
note, we'll save it for Trust. it was that similar

00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:19.259
level of like, okay, this dude is fucking crazy.

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He can pull it back suddenly. It's like, oh,

00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:24.240
you're totally normal. And then, you know, he'll

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turn around and suddenly, you know, the eye is

00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:31.240
twitching and he has like a stutter. It's very

00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:33.420
impressive what that man can do with like the

00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:36.839
control of his body and bring out the crazy and

00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.759
then pull it back and then bring it out even

00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.859
more. Yeah. So I would say evidence that Nick

00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:44.000
Cage is a good, it can be a good actor when he

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.529
wants to be, I guess. Um, I would give this one,

00:23:47.589 --> 00:23:56.730
uh, like 3 .75, uh, yes, super chunk, super New

00:23:56.730 --> 00:23:59.769
York fudge chunk buckets out of a big bucket

00:23:59.769 --> 00:24:02.950
of ice cream. Lots of ice cream. It's like, yeah,

00:24:03.150 --> 00:24:05.490
there you go. That's my rating Joe. Yeah. Um,

00:24:05.750 --> 00:24:10.769
yeah, I would give him, um, 3 .5, uh, dog head

00:24:10.769 --> 00:24:16.869
statues. Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Jason,

00:24:17.069 --> 00:24:20.269
we'll go to your first one. Alright, so I'm supposed

00:24:20.269 --> 00:24:22.769
to talk good now, right? Like, the good movie

00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:24.829
that I watched? You can talk whatever you want.

00:24:24.910 --> 00:24:27.450
I'm gonna finish it off with the bad movie, because,

00:24:27.549 --> 00:24:30.750
like, it just... Okay, okay. Yeah. So, firstly,

00:24:30.869 --> 00:24:33.869
I want to point out two facts about Nicolas Cage

00:24:33.869 --> 00:24:36.950
to kind of set the scene here. First off, Nicolas

00:24:36.950 --> 00:24:40.490
Cage's real name is Nicolas Coppola, as in Francis

00:24:40.490 --> 00:24:43.569
Ford Coppola, the legendary director. Right.

00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:50.160
Second off, Nick Cage has notorious tax and legal

00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.359
and real estate issues. That's why he exists.

00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:56.099
Right. So part of the reason that he does all

00:24:56.099 --> 00:24:58.319
these movies, it's kind of like his gentleman's

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.440
agreement with the IRS. Like, this is his means

00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.339
of making money. So he legally, according to

00:25:04.339 --> 00:25:07.119
the IRS, has to basically accept every movie

00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.920
offer that gets handed to him. So that's why

00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.660
when you see a garbage -ass movie and it's starring

00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:14.920
Nicolas Cage and you know it's going to be garbage,

00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:19.420
he has to take it. Having said all that, I level

00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:22.880
-set with thinking, like, Nicolas Cage will go

00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.180
neutral to begin with, and then let me actually

00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:29.339
watch a movie and decide for myself. So I wanted

00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.880
to go with something that everyone loved to start

00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.400
with, and I was going to watch National Treasure.

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.700
However, my wife had already seen National Treasure.

00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.299
So instead, we had to watch National Treasure

00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:45.059
2. Oh, no. I love the second one. It's got more

00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:49.019
Riley. Okay. Let me tell you. National Treasure

00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:53.000
2 is a movie that is so horribly written that

00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.720
Nicolas Cage couldn't do a better job with it.

00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.420
There's literally one scene where, like, these

00:25:59.420 --> 00:26:02.660
French police stop and just, like, have a nice

00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:04.799
chat with them as they're, like, vandalizing

00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.900
a statue. Because, like, they're French, and

00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:10.920
apparently that's what they do. Nicolas Cage,

00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.180
in those movies, plays a man with Asperger's

00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:17.599
who has, like, an obsession with American history.

00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.079
Like, the entire movie is Nicolas Cage, like,

00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.400
hearing one word and then going, ah! And then

00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.099
telling a five -minute story that could have

00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:28.400
been told in two words about American history.

00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:34.519
It's true. Neuroticism and, like, acting, it's

00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.259
like... peak to the point where it's just campy.

00:26:38.299 --> 00:26:41.519
Like, you can't take it seriously after the first

00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.099
five minutes. Like, the first time it's like,

00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:47.559
oh, this guy saying my great -great -grandfather

00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:50.380
is a murderer. You know what will solve this?

00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:53.799
A treasure hunt. We're gonna prove this with

00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.380
this treasure in Mount Rushmore. Yeah, but like,

00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.599
you know, the first movie's selling line was

00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.940
we gotta steal the Declaration of Independence.

00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.000
I get that. But having said that, like, literally

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.299
the thing that starts this plot is, like, Ed

00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:11.680
Harris comes along and says, hey, your grandfather

00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.720
actually, like, plotted to kill Abraham Lincoln.

00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:19.940
And he's like, no, uh, treasure hunt. And, like,

00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:22.180
the dumb thing in the end was, like, Ed Harris,

00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:24.400
like, when they find the treasure, he goes, this

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.299
was my plan all along. Sorry to, like, throw

00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:29.660
your ancestor under the bus, but I needed you

00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:31.279
to find this treasure. I'm like, why the fuck

00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.460
didn't you just ask him to? How could you find

00:27:34.460 --> 00:27:36.339
said treasure if you knew about said treasure?

00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:39.599
Would you say that Nicolas Cage in this one comes

00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.299
off a bit more bored with everything that's going

00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:47.180
on? Or is he still giving, you know, 110 %? No,

00:27:47.180 --> 00:27:50.220
that's the problem. He's giving the 110%. That's

00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:52.920
why he's a man with Asperger's who's obsessed

00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.960
with American history. Because literally the

00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.660
scene where he's talking to the French policeman.

00:27:58.430 --> 00:28:00.549
The clue couldn't be more obvious, right? Like,

00:28:00.549 --> 00:28:02.390
the clue is basically, like, something, something,

00:28:02.509 --> 00:28:05.250
resolute, something, something. And, like, when

00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:07.130
I heard that, my first thought was, oh, resolute

00:28:07.130 --> 00:28:08.730
desk. Like, it's the desk in the Oval Office.

00:28:08.970 --> 00:28:15.809
And he's just like, oh, oh, oh, oh. I was so

00:28:15.809 --> 00:28:18.750
excited about how the resolute desk was made

00:28:18.750 --> 00:28:20.990
in front of, like, these two policemen and Riley.

00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:23.250
And, like, all you could say was, oh, shit, that's

00:28:23.250 --> 00:28:26.029
easy. That's the resolute desk. But Nicolas Cage

00:28:26.029 --> 00:28:29.269
just, like, sells it so hard that it's just painful

00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:33.670
to watch. Do you think he's too good that it

00:28:33.670 --> 00:28:38.849
makes it worse? Or... Yeah, well, he's trying

00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:42.410
so hard. There is one really good line he delivers,

00:28:42.490 --> 00:28:45.150
so, like, spoiler alert for a movie that's ten

00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:49.289
years old. There's a scene at the end where,

00:28:49.329 --> 00:28:52.569
like, they're in the Golden City and it's filling

00:28:52.569 --> 00:28:55.390
with water, and he's like, Gonna self -sacrifice,

00:28:55.390 --> 00:28:57.630
and he tells his, like, wife or girlfriend or

00:28:57.630 --> 00:28:59.390
whatever, he's like, you make sure my parents

00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:01.529
get out of here. I'm like, all right, that's

00:29:01.529 --> 00:29:03.970
a good one. And then he literally runs for the

00:29:03.970 --> 00:29:07.829
door. Gonna make it out of there. He's passed,

00:29:07.950 --> 00:29:09.410
like, that whole self -sacrifice thing. He's

00:29:09.410 --> 00:29:13.130
like, yeah, I'm leaving now. So, in the end,

00:29:13.130 --> 00:29:15.589
I would give National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets

00:29:15.589 --> 00:29:21.369
two out of five resolute desks. I mean, I think

00:29:21.369 --> 00:29:23.720
that's fair. The first one is just such a freak

00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.779
of me. It should not be as good as it is, but

00:29:25.779 --> 00:29:29.819
it's such a fun ride. The first one is literally

00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:31.500
like your American history class in high school

00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:34.180
come to life. The second one is like, I should

00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:37.160
have graduated a year ago. It's the Da Vinci

00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.539
Code, but for kids. I was going to say, it's

00:29:40.539 --> 00:29:42.839
like watching Bill Nye the Science Guy. It's

00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.799
a little out there and goofy, but you still learn

00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.079
a little something. Yeah. Bill Nye meets Ken

00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.410
Burns. Yeah. So, Mitchell, what do you got for

00:29:52.410 --> 00:29:55.410
your first one? Yeah, so I'm going to start with

00:29:55.410 --> 00:29:58.109
the movie where I had been meaning to watch this

00:29:58.109 --> 00:30:00.710
for a long time, so selfishly I used this task

00:30:00.710 --> 00:30:04.890
as an excuse to finally fire it up on HBO. And

00:30:04.890 --> 00:30:08.009
it's Raising Heirs Up. So it's one of the earlier

00:30:08.009 --> 00:30:11.529
Coen Brothers movies. Only one of the Coen Brothers

00:30:11.529 --> 00:30:14.569
actually directed, the other wrote. So it was

00:30:14.569 --> 00:30:17.210
a true collaboration in that sense, one pair

00:30:17.210 --> 00:30:20.880
or the other. And it is a farce of a movie. So

00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.299
for those who don't know what the plot is about,

00:30:23.539 --> 00:30:28.339
it is about a couple who meet because the man

00:30:28.339 --> 00:30:30.660
is a guy who gets arrested a lot, and he falls

00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:33.359
in love with the police officer who keeps booking

00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.079
him into jail. The police officer is played by

00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.140
Holly Hunter, and the guy getting arrested all

00:30:39.140 --> 00:30:42.299
the time is Nicolas Cage. And this movie opens

00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:46.480
with what I think is such a solid 11 minutes

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.299
of just... a great, fun montage filmmaking of

00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:55.980
a very brief story, not too dissimilar from Up,

00:30:56.140 --> 00:30:59.440
of how a couple meets and starts a new life together,

00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.240
but maybe not as emotionally stirring. But still

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.960
very entertaining, and what a fucking way to

00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.019
open a movie. The first 11 minutes for Raising

00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.519
Arizona. So after they meet, the plot actually

00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.650
begins. Holly Hunter cannot bear children. They

00:31:17.650 --> 00:31:20.210
desperately want kids. Well, luckily for them,

00:31:20.210 --> 00:31:24.910
a very rich family had a newspaper article written

00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:27.549
up about them for having quintuplets. So what

00:31:27.549 --> 00:31:30.269
they decide to do is to go to this very rich

00:31:30.269 --> 00:31:32.349
family's house in the middle of the night and

00:31:32.349 --> 00:31:35.910
steal one of the kids for themselves. So thus

00:31:35.910 --> 00:31:38.750
raising Arizona. And Arizona is the last name

00:31:38.750 --> 00:31:42.349
of the kid. Anyway, so that's what it's about.

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.160
It stars John Goodman as well, Francis McDormand,

00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.319
so the start of their Coen brother relationship

00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.920
as well. It is, like I said, it's a farce, so

00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.660
all of it is over the top. That's how the comedy

00:31:56.660 --> 00:32:00.519
is written, and the music in this, the music

00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.940
and the dialogue in terms of how over the top

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.960
these guys are speaking and looking into the

00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.119
camera, it's exactly what this movie calls for,

00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.700
and Nicolas Cage is perfect casting here. And

00:32:12.700 --> 00:32:16.779
he's a guy who is basically overreacting to every

00:32:16.779 --> 00:32:19.599
single scenario possible. Like, if you're presented

00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.259
with a problem, my wife is barren, right? What

00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:26.700
are some solutions here? You could adopt a kid,

00:32:26.779 --> 00:32:28.880
which they tried to do, but he has a really bad

00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.720
rap sheet, whatever. You know, there are a lot

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.940
of other ways that a couple could figure out,

00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.799
hey, how do we fill this hole in our family?

00:32:42.059 --> 00:32:46.380
Third idea I had was Steal a Child. Yeah, that's

00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:49.140
pretty high, Mike. That's very high on the list.

00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.740
And for Nicolas Cage, that was number two. He

00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:57.640
went off and stole a kid. Very entertaining,

00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.980
and mainly because of what the Coen brothers

00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:02.539
are asking of each of the performers, and no

00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:05.599
one does it better than Nicolas Cage in this

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.619
particular role. and I think, Andre, Jill, you

00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:10.599
were talking about a certain look in his eye

00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.220
in certain scenes in Match Point, or what was

00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:15.819
the film? Matchstick Men. Matchstick Men. Yeah,

00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.519
Match Point is a different film directed by Woody

00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.720
Allen. Okay, and anyway, that is exactly what

00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.039
Nick Cage is known to do, and this is kind of

00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.079
in his wheelhouse. The more I look back on movies

00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.039
that I actually enjoyed him in, and not necessarily

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.750
just watch for this podcast, but... I'm looking

00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:36.750
back and thinking to certain monologues that

00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:40.109
he has. And it's all this over -the -top stuff,

00:33:40.230 --> 00:33:44.069
but somehow, and guys, I'm kind of showing my

00:33:44.069 --> 00:33:47.630
hands here, somehow he pulls it off where other

00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:50.809
actors who would go over the top like that would

00:33:50.809 --> 00:33:53.769
never be able to pull off. And that is why I'm

00:33:53.769 --> 00:33:57.210
really leaning towards the good actor part here.

00:33:57.369 --> 00:34:01.069
And it's really dependent. as jason was alluding

00:34:01.069 --> 00:34:03.589
to earlier he has irs trouble he has to take

00:34:03.589 --> 00:34:06.269
these roles but if he's matched up with very

00:34:06.269 --> 00:34:08.449
talented directors he's worked with spike jones

00:34:08.449 --> 00:34:10.969
in the past he's worked coen brothers there are

00:34:10.969 --> 00:34:16.829
many films that have have great reviews and receptions

00:34:16.829 --> 00:34:19.329
from general audiences and he shines in those

00:34:19.329 --> 00:34:21.730
because those act those directors actually know

00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:24.449
how to use them nice so what would you give this

00:34:24.449 --> 00:34:28.650
raising arizona oh raising arizona oh my god

00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:31.380
if you're a coen brothers fan it's easily a four

00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:35.880
four point five children oops out of five total

00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.500
kids um and i'm a big coen brothers fan so four

00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:43.019
and a half out of five for me um it's it's all

00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:47.900
the fun of fargo without any of the murder so

00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:53.360
the stakes are a little lower uh but you get

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.480
fun dialogue fun accents and it's guys i cannot

00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.329
tell you how much I appreciated this. This movie

00:35:00.329 --> 00:35:11.150
ended in 90 minutes. It felt so great. I do want

00:35:11.150 --> 00:35:12.889
to kind of wonder though, and I have to look

00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:16.809
this up, could Nicolas Cage direct himself? No.

00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:20.289
No way. I don't think he has it in him. I know

00:35:20.289 --> 00:35:23.010
he can't write, and I'm certain he's produced

00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:24.869
things, but I don't think he could do a director

00:35:24.869 --> 00:35:28.610
-actor moment. My thing is, I don't think, and

00:35:28.610 --> 00:35:30.389
I know there's a lot of actor directors out there,

00:35:30.449 --> 00:35:32.570
but for those who could really pull it off, I

00:35:32.570 --> 00:35:35.670
don't think there are really many who can. So,

00:35:35.710 --> 00:35:38.710
to be fair, he has directed himself in one film.

00:35:39.269 --> 00:35:42.150
I'm just looking it up on IMDb. It's called Sunny,

00:35:42.369 --> 00:35:46.730
and it stars James Franco. Interesting. Yeah,

00:35:46.829 --> 00:35:52.230
and he's also in it. So, anyway, that is a movie

00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:56.760
that he directed in 2002. Alright. Okay, that's

00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.380
like baby James Franco. Yeah, wow. Look at those

00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:03.039
tight jeans. Everyone go look it up. Oh my gosh.

00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.920
I can see James Franco being a contemporary of

00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.179
Nicolas Cage, but in a different way. I mean,

00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.239
that's like Spider -Man James Franco. Yeah. Mike,

00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:17.679
what do you got, man? I will talk first about

00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.219
the one we all watched together, except for Jason.

00:36:20.300 --> 00:36:24.250
Sorry, buddy. Oh, okay. really saying sorry,

00:36:24.289 --> 00:36:27.070
buddy, to Jason here. I feel like Jason got off

00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:32.210
the hook. Yeah, I guess so. We did another Netflix

00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:35.730
party and watched The Trust, which was Nicolas

00:36:35.730 --> 00:36:40.150
Cage, obviously, and Elijah Wood. They play two

00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:46.230
cops who find out there is this treasure trove

00:36:46.230 --> 00:36:50.050
of money that they can get to and get the score.

00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.420
the whole movie kind of takes place in like one

00:36:57.420 --> 00:37:00.699
house trying to get underneath it to get to this

00:37:00.699 --> 00:37:03.599
safe which has all this money and everything

00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.599
like that and like it's the things that go wrong

00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:11.320
and people that live there and how would you

00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.099
guys describe this movie the way I described

00:37:13.099 --> 00:37:16.639
it is Nick Cage is doing the best he can with

00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.039
what he's given which is not very good I would

00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.070
describe it I'm sure if you read that script

00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:26.949
you would think to yourself oh cool this is like

00:37:26.949 --> 00:37:30.510
a fun neo -noir kind of movie you know this is

00:37:30.510 --> 00:37:34.030
the Vegas underground and these are two crooked

00:37:34.030 --> 00:37:36.610
cops one of them really wants to get rich quick

00:37:36.610 --> 00:37:39.989
and the other is kind of going down this trail

00:37:39.989 --> 00:37:43.690
with him begrudgingly but then you put it on

00:37:43.690 --> 00:37:47.630
film and it is a completely different story it

00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:53.650
is a mishandled plot and Everything, Jill, you

00:37:53.650 --> 00:37:56.230
had a really good critique after we watched it.

00:37:56.329 --> 00:38:00.550
You said, what Nicolas Cage did in particular

00:38:00.550 --> 00:38:04.289
at the end, did that twist feel earned? I feel

00:38:04.289 --> 00:38:06.789
like you could ask that question about a lot

00:38:06.789 --> 00:38:10.190
of the plot development. Are we able to actually

00:38:10.190 --> 00:38:12.530
get to this point? Does this really make sense?

00:38:12.949 --> 00:38:15.869
And I'd argue it didn't at all. And it's not

00:38:15.869 --> 00:38:19.030
up to the actors, in my opinion, but that was

00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:23.150
a rough watch. It was a rough watch. The unfortunate

00:38:23.150 --> 00:38:27.030
part was that it wasn't bombastically bad. I'd

00:38:27.030 --> 00:38:29.050
honestly say we should watch Humanity Bureau

00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:32.389
first over Trust. If I was going to get some

00:38:32.389 --> 00:38:34.250
friends together and watch a bad movie. Right.

00:38:35.010 --> 00:38:38.269
Yeah, its faults are more just kind of dull.

00:38:38.590 --> 00:38:40.869
The pacing just doesn't go all the way there.

00:38:41.150 --> 00:38:43.550
I wasn't super attached to Nicholas Cage's or

00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:45.550
Elijah Wood's character. It's like, okay, all

00:38:45.550 --> 00:38:47.710
right. I was totally okay if both of them died.

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.079
Nick Cage is into rape, and Elijah Wood is being

00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.079
kind of a shithead about it, but he's going along

00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.900
like, okay, oh, he cares about the girl now,

00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:02.920
oh, all right, cool, you know. He was the naive

00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:04.239
one. I kind of felt like it was two different

00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.599
cop stories stitched together, or that, like,

00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:11.099
Elijah Wood didn't have half the script. Like,

00:39:11.099 --> 00:39:12.780
when his character, because, like, his cop character

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:15.360
is not inherently crooked. Like, he doesn't like

00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.480
his job. He doesn't. He pays for sex. Along the

00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.010
senior, the senior cop. And he's kind of, he's

00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:25.269
for sex. He, and like, you know, the light bulbs

00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:27.349
are starting to go off in his head, but he's

00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:30.030
not really, he's thinking that what they're doing

00:39:30.030 --> 00:39:32.250
has a purpose for the greater good, that they're

00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:35.489
going to break into this safe and determine,

00:39:35.710 --> 00:39:37.690
yes, there are bad, there are drugs, I think

00:39:37.690 --> 00:39:39.429
is what he thought there was down there or something.

00:39:39.650 --> 00:39:42.210
Right. And they're going to run and tell the

00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:45.489
rest of the Bureau and they'll get a promotion.

00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:48.190
Right. And as things are starting to go down.

00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.219
You can see, like, the wheels turning in his

00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:51.559
head. At the same time, there's still kind of

00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:53.539
this, like, dude, you're not that dumb. Like,

00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:57.679
come on. This doesn't seem weird to you. So,

00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.900
like I said, the actor was missing half the script,

00:40:01.099 --> 00:40:03.099
and Nicolas Cage is in the corner, like, holding

00:40:03.099 --> 00:40:05.420
it, like, hee -hee -hee -hee. You have no idea

00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:09.400
what's in store. And then pacing issues. I agree.

00:40:10.219 --> 00:40:11.800
There's at least, like, a whole section where,

00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.340
like, they're doing the break -in, and they stop

00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:18.699
to eat some cheesesteak. Right. while they have

00:40:18.699 --> 00:40:21.760
a live hostage. Do they really have time for

00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.940
this? The way I would describe it is kind of

00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:27.780
like it was a slow burn that had to reignite

00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:30.300
itself every couple of minutes. Yes, that's a

00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:33.519
good way to phrase it for sure. I did feel like

00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.280
it was wheels. Yeah, I would say it's probably

00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:43.719
a one out of five safe containers. I don't know.

00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:46.539
I'm rolling with it here. Safe containers, Mr.

00:40:46.889 --> 00:40:49.630
position under shitty apartments in Las Vegas

00:40:49.630 --> 00:40:55.690
exactly this looks like how the jump got there

00:40:55.690 --> 00:40:57.469
like what made Nick like because it starts with

00:40:57.469 --> 00:41:00.489
him like noticing this guy got out of bail and

00:41:00.489 --> 00:41:03.550
then he decides to back like figure out where

00:41:03.550 --> 00:41:05.690
how he got out of bail like I don't actually

00:41:05.690 --> 00:41:07.630
understand how Nicholas Cage because he paid

00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:12.789
for it in cash and then he decides to trace it

00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.989
and Like, even the ending. Like, I actually kind

00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:18.389
of liked the ending if you look at it in a vacuum.

00:41:18.829 --> 00:41:22.670
Right. But, yeah. Like, with Elijah Wood's character.

00:41:22.929 --> 00:41:27.469
Yeah. Can I spoil? Yeah. Yes, please do. So,

00:41:27.590 --> 00:41:30.730
we spend, like, most of the film doing the break

00:41:30.730 --> 00:41:32.969
-in. Nicolas Cage reveals, like, guess what?

00:41:33.010 --> 00:41:35.190
We're actually not here to just find some evidence.

00:41:35.309 --> 00:41:37.849
We're gonna take it and we're gonna go to the

00:41:37.849 --> 00:41:40.610
Caribbean together. I bought you a ticket, man.

00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:42.650
It's not drugs, it's diamonds. It's diamonds.

00:41:42.650 --> 00:41:46.429
Right. Yeah. They can easily fence. The light

00:41:46.429 --> 00:41:49.090
bulb goes off, and he's like, no, we can't do

00:41:49.090 --> 00:41:51.429
this. And he had found a gun earlier, so they

00:41:51.429 --> 00:41:53.329
get into a shootout, and he shoots, and he actually

00:41:53.329 --> 00:41:56.610
kills Nicolas Cage's character. And Nicolas Cage's

00:41:56.610 --> 00:41:58.909
character dies holding tickets to the Caribbean,

00:41:59.070 --> 00:42:00.869
and there are two of them. Because he kind of

00:42:00.869 --> 00:42:02.809
didn't believe him and everything. Nope, he didn't

00:42:02.809 --> 00:42:05.429
believe it. He thought he was the fall guy. Right.

00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:08.210
So a lot of people put everything back, but he

00:42:08.210 --> 00:42:10.690
still has this live hostage, a woman. He's just

00:42:10.690 --> 00:42:13.150
called a woman. And throughout all of the break

00:42:13.150 --> 00:42:17.070
-in, she's in the bathroom, like, tied up. And

00:42:17.070 --> 00:42:18.730
at one point, she's like, I need to call my son.

00:42:19.309 --> 00:42:22.130
And Elijah, being this, you know, this sweet,

00:42:22.130 --> 00:42:25.710
doe -eyed, innocent cop, like, writes down the

00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:28.289
number and has her talk to someone on the phone.

00:42:28.349 --> 00:42:30.150
We don't actually hear the conversation. So he

00:42:30.150 --> 00:42:32.030
gets her into the car, and they're driving away,

00:42:32.110 --> 00:42:33.590
and they get on the highway, and the plan, it

00:42:33.590 --> 00:42:35.849
seems, is he's going to drop her off and just

00:42:35.849 --> 00:42:38.929
leave her and go. But then he notices these trucks

00:42:38.929 --> 00:42:43.230
kind of zeroing in on him. notices that number

00:42:43.230 --> 00:42:46.409
on one of the trucks right ahead of him is the

00:42:46.409 --> 00:42:49.190
same number that the lady called. And before

00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:51.170
he can really do anything, the door opens and

00:42:51.170 --> 00:42:54.510
a guy pops up with a gun and he starts to reach

00:42:54.510 --> 00:42:56.590
for his badge and goes like, wait, I'm a cop,

00:42:56.670 --> 00:42:59.469
and then gets shot. And that's kind of how it

00:42:59.469 --> 00:43:03.190
ends. I like that. That's exactly how it ends,

00:43:03.250 --> 00:43:06.570
yeah. It's great cinema. There was no trust in

00:43:06.570 --> 00:43:09.489
the trust. Exactly, no trust. And we have no

00:43:09.489 --> 00:43:13.030
idea who this lady was. a set up for him. The

00:43:13.030 --> 00:43:16.050
secret mafia clear people. Yeah, well, whatever.

00:43:16.269 --> 00:43:18.110
But I'm not interested in answering those questions

00:43:18.110 --> 00:43:21.449
like, okay. I am. That's my thing is I want to

00:43:21.449 --> 00:43:23.489
know who this lady was. Why didn't they give

00:43:23.489 --> 00:43:27.090
this character a name? There you go. Alright,

00:43:27.730 --> 00:43:30.230
well, while you guys are rolling, take your second

00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:33.349
Nick Cage movie. We don't have one. We don't

00:43:33.349 --> 00:43:35.289
have a second Nick Cage movie. Oh, okay. Oh,

00:43:35.429 --> 00:43:40.050
no. You're good then. I can talk about Moonstruck.

00:43:40.300 --> 00:43:41.760
Because that movie really stuck with me. Oh,

00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.260
that's going to be my second movie. I will not

00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:47.800
talk about Moonstruck. Yeah. All right. Well,

00:43:47.860 --> 00:43:50.400
Jason, you got another one, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.

00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.039
So as you guys may or may not have known, Marvel

00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:56.960
was supposed to come out with Black Widow this

00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.440
last weekend. And of course, COVID -19 could

00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.579
not. So I decided to watch the cross -section

00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:05.599
between Nicolas Cage and a Marvel movie, the

00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.219
first Ghost Rider. Oh, God. Oh, God. So much

00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:15.000
PTSD. It is a mess of a movie, and this is one

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.639
where I do not give Nicolas Cage the benefit

00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.840
of the doubt, because this is, like, height Nicolas

00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.320
Cage, and, like, this is, like, the era of Marvel

00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.639
movies coming off the back of, like, horrible

00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:32.440
Spider -Man 3, horrible Daredevil, and, like,

00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:38.000
yeah, like, meh Fantastic Four, like, so -so

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.849
X -Men. From Fox, like, nothing was, like, really

00:44:42.849 --> 00:44:47.369
exciting about being in a Marvel movie. And the

00:44:47.369 --> 00:44:52.269
first, like, ten minutes, like, in the true spirit

00:44:52.269 --> 00:44:54.969
of, like, early 2000s movies, like, it's all

00:44:54.969 --> 00:44:57.349
garbage, but, like, the first ten minutes where

00:44:57.349 --> 00:44:59.610
it's, like, the young Johnny Blaze character,

00:44:59.869 --> 00:45:02.389
like, making the deal with the devil, I am way

00:45:02.389 --> 00:45:04.809
more invested in the younger actor who plays

00:45:04.809 --> 00:45:07.289
this character for the ten minutes that I saw

00:45:07.289 --> 00:45:10.980
him. than the entire movie that Nicolas Cage

00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:14.900
was in the rest of Nicolas Cage's part like takes

00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.480
forever to set up by the way like the first like

00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.559
30 minutes is just him like looking at ramps

00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:25.199
and like jumping over ramps oh god this also

00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:28.019
reminded me jumping over impossible like he literally

00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:30.659
at one point jumps over a football field worth

00:45:30.659 --> 00:45:35.460
of uh of 18 wheelers and like it's just like

00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:37.420
a shot of his like visor and you're like you're

00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:39.940
seeing the 18 wheelers pass by you're like the

00:45:39.940 --> 00:45:41.960
ramp was the size of like my driveway like there's

00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:46.440
no way he's like jumping that and i don't know

00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.000
if this was like a bad directing editing issue

00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.300
or if this was just the way nicholas cage did

00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:54.360
it but between every single shot he literally

00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.260
ranges from like confused to sad to like overly

00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:02.079
excited to just like plain like weird like he'll

00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:06.019
be like what was that Yeah! And it's just the

00:46:06.019 --> 00:46:08.719
weirdest fucking thing in the world. This movie,

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.780
on top of the plot, just super dumb and super

00:46:11.780 --> 00:46:14.800
garbage. Like, Nicolas Cage does the blockiest,

00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.820
most, like, horrible job in the world, like,

00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:21.940
bringing any real life to a character. So, we

00:46:21.940 --> 00:46:24.519
just looked at who directed Ghost Rider, and

00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.199
they directed Daredevil. Yep. Yeah! Of course

00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.039
they did. That's a guy. Did he do Elektra, too?

00:46:31.219 --> 00:46:33.760
No. lecture was different. Hey guys, look at

00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.139
his writing credits. Look what he wrote most

00:46:36.139 --> 00:46:41.400
recently. The director of just... Yes. What was

00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:46.300
his most recent writing credit? IMDb. It is amazing.

00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.420
It came out last year. It is a Disney film. And

00:46:49.420 --> 00:46:53.440
it is about everyone's favorite bear who looks

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.940
like the president of China. He wrote Christopher

00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:10.269
Robin. Oh no. years it took him five years the

00:47:10.269 --> 00:47:12.429
last movie he did before he was even involved

00:47:12.429 --> 00:47:16.570
in before christopher robin was in 2013 so so

00:47:16.570 --> 00:47:19.190
jason i got a question for you so the way the

00:47:19.190 --> 00:47:22.829
way i look at nicholas cage and him playing ghost

00:47:22.829 --> 00:47:26.369
rider i cannot escape the thought that he once

00:47:26.369 --> 00:47:29.630
upon a time was cast to be superman back in the

00:47:29.630 --> 00:47:36.010
90s when tim burton was the director He is notably

00:47:36.010 --> 00:47:40.570
a huge Superman fan. He's always wanted to be

00:47:40.570 --> 00:47:42.849
Superman, and the closest he got is playing Superman

00:47:42.849 --> 00:47:47.909
in Teen Titans Go to the Movies. With Ghost Rider,

00:47:48.090 --> 00:47:51.110
I feel like 10 plus years after the Superman

00:47:51.110 --> 00:47:54.050
thing falls through, he desperately just wants

00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:56.829
to be in a comic book movie after he's seen the

00:47:56.829 --> 00:47:58.889
success of the first two Spider -Man movies and

00:47:58.889 --> 00:48:02.469
all that. He settled for Ghost Rider, and it

00:48:02.469 --> 00:48:05.400
kind of just falls apart. It could be his performance.

00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.099
It could be the movie. I don't know. What are

00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:08.940
your thoughts on that? Like, I felt like he settled

00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:11.119
just to be in a comic book movie once everything

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:15.900
else fell through. So here's the other factors

00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:19.199
in that. So, like, also remember that he had

00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.340
another failed attempt to be in a comic book

00:48:21.340 --> 00:48:24.940
movie. He was supposed to be in the defunct Batman

00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:28.659
Triumphant, which was the sequel to Batman and

00:48:28.659 --> 00:48:31.760
Robin, where he was supposed to play. Scarecrow

00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.840
and Madonna would play Harley Quinn. Yes. Wow.

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:41.500
I would totally have been in that. While I think

00:48:41.500 --> 00:48:44.840
you have a point that he may have just been very

00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.519
desperate to get into a superhero movie, bear

00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.719
in mind at the time, Ghost Rider comes out in

00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.619
2007, which means it starts filming, he's cast

00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:59.079
in whatever, probably around 2004, 2005. Yeah.

00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.659
You're talking, like, not anywhere a height of

00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:08.800
superhero movie, like, desire or demand. But

00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.480
you're talking about, like, when, like, Spider

00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.159
-Man 2 is coming out. So, like, it's a budding

00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.260
genre. So I think it's something where he just

00:49:15.260 --> 00:49:18.000
saw a great intersection of, like, this is something

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.840
I'm interested in. And, like, here is an edgy

00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.000
character where I can, like, do it. Maybe, like,

00:49:24.059 --> 00:49:25.659
going for a big name, like, because Superman

00:49:25.659 --> 00:49:29.409
is just not going to, like, fly. So, like, maybe

00:49:29.409 --> 00:49:32.829
we go something darker, something edgier. I think

00:49:32.829 --> 00:49:37.090
that was the risk he tried to take. I was just

00:49:37.090 --> 00:49:39.190
looking at, like, dates for things. So, Ghost

00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:42.789
Rider came out in 2007. 2005, we had Sin City,

00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:46.110
which is the graphic novel adaptation. And Ghost

00:49:46.110 --> 00:49:48.829
Rider, when it came out, was kind of a, I mean,

00:49:48.849 --> 00:49:51.809
Blade did it first. But, like, Ghost Rider was,

00:49:51.849 --> 00:49:54.650
like, dark, a little bit edgier, a little bit

00:49:54.650 --> 00:49:59.150
more. a little more leaning into that PG -13.

00:49:59.530 --> 00:50:02.630
I can say one of the scenes... He literally has

00:50:02.630 --> 00:50:05.210
martini glasses filled with jelly beans. Yeah,

00:50:05.230 --> 00:50:08.230
because they still have to keep into consideration,

00:50:08.630 --> 00:50:11.349
you know, it's the Marvel film we want. This

00:50:11.349 --> 00:50:13.750
isn't, you know, this isn't for... This isn't

00:50:13.750 --> 00:50:17.469
a hard R. This is a soft PG -13. We want all

00:50:17.469 --> 00:50:19.750
ages to show up here. And, like, considering,

00:50:19.929 --> 00:50:23.150
you know, Nicolas Cage in Spider -Man Into the

00:50:23.150 --> 00:50:24.949
Spider -Verse, where he's, you know, Spider -Man

00:50:24.949 --> 00:50:28.309
Noir, I kind of wonder... if he felt a little

00:50:28.309 --> 00:50:30.929
FOMO for not being part of Sin City, because

00:50:30.929 --> 00:50:33.989
I could totally see him fitting into that world.

00:50:34.250 --> 00:50:36.150
I haven't read all of the graphic novels, so

00:50:36.150 --> 00:50:37.369
I don't know if there was a character he could

00:50:37.369 --> 00:50:39.610
have played, but he would have been aware of

00:50:39.610 --> 00:50:42.909
that production. I feel like he would have had

00:50:42.909 --> 00:50:45.130
an opportunity to be in Sin City 2, which was

00:50:45.130 --> 00:50:49.630
a more low -key thing. He definitely could have

00:50:49.630 --> 00:50:51.630
gotten in on that if he wanted it that badly.

00:50:52.570 --> 00:50:56.190
Maybe he felt he was past his prime on that one.

00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.239
I think Mitch has a point where, like, he was

00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.239
probably trying to do something that crossed

00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:07.780
with a passion and just, like, fell so hard on

00:51:07.780 --> 00:51:09.880
his face. As a lot of those superhero movies

00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:13.000
did before, you know, Marvel Studios formed and

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.400
really, like, kind of, like, changed the, like,

00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.679
the contextual nature. Right. Because, to your

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.960
point, it was right after Spider -Man 3 and,

00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:24.469
like... Basically, there's that weird gap where

00:51:24.469 --> 00:51:26.610
it was the Spider -Man trilogy, and then it was

00:51:26.610 --> 00:51:28.489
kind of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We're

00:51:28.489 --> 00:51:31.630
in that awkward. Okay, sure. You had a couple

00:51:31.630 --> 00:51:33.989
bad X -Men movies in there. You had some trial

00:51:33.989 --> 00:51:37.449
and errors with Daredevil and Ghost Rider. And

00:51:37.449 --> 00:51:43.389
V for Vendetta, and you've got 300, and you've

00:51:43.389 --> 00:51:45.489
got Sin City, which is kind of like... the antithesis

00:51:45.489 --> 00:51:47.730
to these superhero films. Sure. I would also

00:51:47.730 --> 00:51:50.090
argue any comic property that's not, like, a

00:51:50.090 --> 00:51:52.929
Marvel DC. Like, you're adapting something that

00:51:52.929 --> 00:51:54.809
has more substance to begin with. Like, if you're

00:51:54.809 --> 00:51:57.750
going to adapt, like, a Marvel or a DC character,

00:51:57.949 --> 00:52:01.769
like, you're banking on, like, you know, marketability

00:52:01.769 --> 00:52:04.449
over substance. So, like, a Poocher Vendetta

00:52:04.449 --> 00:52:07.090
is not, like, comparable in my eyes. Because

00:52:07.090 --> 00:52:11.530
I 100 % agree with that novel. Guys, Road to

00:52:11.530 --> 00:52:13.780
Perdition. by the way, is based on a graphic

00:52:13.780 --> 00:52:17.500
novel. So it's not a Marvel graphic novel. Oh,

00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:19.780
was it? I didn't know it was Marvel. Cool. Also,

00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.900
Men in Black is technically Marvel, too. Oh,

00:52:21.900 --> 00:52:25.260
jeez. I did know that was a comic book, but I

00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:27.500
didn't know it was Marvel. That's awesome. That's

00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:29.159
awesome. Remember Rude or Rude to Tradition?

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.539
So, okay. Oh, Rude to Tradition. Jill, let's

00:52:32.539 --> 00:52:35.929
talk Moonstruck, because I think... He was not

00:52:35.929 --> 00:52:38.050
nominated for an Oscar for this film, but this

00:52:38.050 --> 00:52:40.309
was the film that came out after Raising Arizona

00:52:40.309 --> 00:52:45.329
in 1987. And it has one of my all -time favorite

00:52:45.329 --> 00:52:48.110
Nicolas Cage monologues. So a little backstory

00:52:48.110 --> 00:52:51.809
on this film for me personally, my mom is obsessed

00:52:51.809 --> 00:52:54.510
with this. And when I told Kelly that I was going

00:52:54.510 --> 00:52:57.489
to bring this up on the pod, Kelly said... I

00:52:57.489 --> 00:53:00.070
watched this movie with my mom way back in the

00:53:00.070 --> 00:53:02.809
day when I was like a kid or whatever. So we

00:53:02.809 --> 00:53:05.989
have now dubbed this a mom movie. So this is

00:53:05.989 --> 00:53:08.469
the mindset that I have of Moonstruck. It's a

00:53:08.469 --> 00:53:11.469
romantic comedy. Cher plays a starring role.

00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:15.710
She won an Oscar for this film where she plays

00:53:15.710 --> 00:53:18.469
a woman at the beginning of the film who's set

00:53:18.469 --> 00:53:21.730
to marry this guy who has a younger brother played

00:53:21.730 --> 00:53:24.150
by Nicolas Cage. And there's this whole plot

00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:27.250
of whether or not Ronnie, who is Nicolas Cage's

00:53:27.250 --> 00:53:30.610
character, should go to the wedding. So Cher

00:53:30.610 --> 00:53:33.510
really wants the entire family to be there. So

00:53:33.510 --> 00:53:36.449
she goes to where Ronnie works, which is a bakery.

00:53:36.769 --> 00:53:39.769
And one of the very first lines that we hear

00:53:39.769 --> 00:53:43.610
from Nicolas Cage is him delivering a monologue

00:53:43.610 --> 00:53:47.179
about how he lost his hand. And he blames his

00:53:47.179 --> 00:53:49.820
brother for losing his hand. And I'm just going

00:53:49.820 --> 00:53:54.340
to do a little reading here of this line. I lost

00:53:54.340 --> 00:53:58.719
my hand. I lost my pride. Johnny has his hand.

00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:03.019
Johnny has his pride. You make me, you want me

00:54:03.019 --> 00:54:05.880
to take my heartache, put it away and forget?

00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.989
It is all over the top. it is beautiful nick

00:54:09.989 --> 00:54:13.389
cage it's like he is singing and i will tell

00:54:13.389 --> 00:54:17.250
you it that monologue before i knew who nick

00:54:17.250 --> 00:54:19.989
cage was when i was a kid and knew that he did

00:54:19.989 --> 00:54:23.489
other movies that has stuck with me it's imprinted

00:54:23.489 --> 00:54:27.489
in my head and recently going back and revisiting

00:54:27.489 --> 00:54:30.340
it I'm blown away. I'm just like, this is Nick

00:54:30.340 --> 00:54:32.699
Cage's wheelhouse. I could totally see him coming

00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:35.380
off a Coen Brothers movie and trying to deliver

00:54:35.380 --> 00:54:38.639
the same kind of energy with, you know, a temper

00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.320
down to be more real world, but to live in this

00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.239
universe on Nick Cage's terms. And it still works

00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.119
and it's still fun. And despite this guy who

00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.480
has a missing hand, like after delivering this

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.400
crazy ass monologue, you believe over the course

00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.079
of this film that, yeah, Cher's going to fall

00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.980
in love with him. And so I dig this movie, and

00:55:01.980 --> 00:55:05.559
I really, really dig Nick Cage in it. Yeah. I

00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.519
watched this a while, like a couple, a year and

00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.280
a half ago at this point. I was bored. I was

00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:11.760
over at my parents' house. I wanted something

00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.440
to watch. It was on Amazon Prime. All I knew

00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.260
was, isn't this the movie where Nicholas scores

00:55:17.260 --> 00:55:20.000
with Cher? So that was all we were going into

00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.679
it. I agree. He does a fantastic job. I actually

00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.179
think they have very good chemistry. And it kind

00:55:26.179 --> 00:55:28.519
of works for the two of them, but she just kind

00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.900
of rolls off of his own craziness because she's

00:55:31.900 --> 00:55:34.639
still Sharon. Her character is kind of this frustrated

00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.559
with everything, but she kind of accepts her

00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.900
lot in life. But she's also not going to sit

00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:43.820
there and be quiet about it. It really works.

00:55:43.900 --> 00:55:49.340
I totally buy their relationship. Yeah, I actually

00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:51.739
never really considered Nicolas Cage to be, like,

00:55:51.739 --> 00:55:56.900
sexy. He pulls it off, doesn't he? And he's missing

00:55:56.900 --> 00:56:01.099
a hand. There was, like, what, a 20 -year age

00:56:01.099 --> 00:56:05.199
difference between him and Cher? Yeah. I'd have

00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:06.880
to look it up. I think that's probably about

00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.719
right. Yeah, you would actually, like, never

00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.139
know. Like, I'm not saying, like, Cher is Cher.

00:56:11.260 --> 00:56:14.300
She's done things. She looks great. But, like,

00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.829
they both kind of have this weird, like... Older

00:56:17.829 --> 00:56:21.730
than their years. Sense about them. That just

00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:25.929
plays beautifully. Throughout the film. And it's

00:56:25.929 --> 00:56:28.309
good. I highly recommend this film. If anyone

00:56:28.309 --> 00:56:32.630
has not seen it. It's fun. It's also just a nice

00:56:32.630 --> 00:56:36.989
slice of the 80s. Absolutely. It's dripping in

00:56:36.989 --> 00:56:41.369
80s nostalgia. The hair is big. The shoulder

00:56:41.369 --> 00:56:45.420
pads are there. It's a fashion moment. Absolutely.

00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.699
So I'm giving Nick Cage in this a personal Nick

00:56:48.699 --> 00:56:53.159
Cage rating for me. Guys, this might be my favorite

00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:56.099
Nick Cage because of everything that was just

00:56:56.099 --> 00:56:59.079
said that Jill added on to me. He's sexy. He

00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.019
delivers these crazy monologues, which is what

00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:03.639
you would expect. He helps carry the movie with

00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:06.679
Cher, and Cher won an Oscar, but I think Nick

00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:10.039
Cage has the better performance. And I'm giving

00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.679
it a 5 out of 5. Not the Bs, not the Bs. And

00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:17.900
then for the film, you know, it's a romantic

00:57:17.900 --> 00:57:20.920
comedy. I had a lot of fun. Good nostalgia for

00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.420
me. Three and a half out of five pizza pies.

00:57:23.900 --> 00:57:31.460
That's the more. That's my rating. Yeah. My next.

00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:35.960
Yes. My next movie is is called The Frozen Ground.

00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:40.559
The Frozen Ground was interesting. It's on Hulu.

00:57:42.409 --> 00:57:45.929
What I will say about the movie is the plot itself

00:57:45.929 --> 00:57:48.929
is kind of all over the place. It's based on

00:57:48.929 --> 00:57:52.590
a true story. There was a serial killer in Alaska,

00:57:52.869 --> 00:57:58.289
raped, killed 17 people. The cast for this movie

00:57:58.289 --> 00:58:04.050
was excellent. The main trooper, the Alaskan

00:58:04.050 --> 00:58:07.030
state trooper, is obviously Nick Cage. He works

00:58:07.030 --> 00:58:09.829
with Dean Norris, who played Hank on Breaking

00:58:09.829 --> 00:58:18.920
Bad. As well as you've got John Cusack is the

00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:24.739
serial killer. It's like a, they call him the

00:58:24.739 --> 00:58:29.019
baker butcher in real life. And then Vanessa

00:58:29.019 --> 00:58:34.519
Hudgens is the prostitute that got away. So he

00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.000
was killing prostitutes. He would take them like

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.940
saying they were doing a photo shoot. And he

00:58:40.940 --> 00:58:43.019
would basically chain them up, take them to a

00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:44.739
cabin in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness,

00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.000
shoot them dead, leave them in the middle of

00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:51.320
the frozen ground. And the whole tension comes

00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:55.519
from the prostitute that Vanessa Hutchins plays

00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.760
is scared to testify against him. And doesn't

00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:03.619
want to... So, like, is constantly running away,

00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.639
constantly, like, being flaky. And basically,

00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:10.900
she... could put him away for rape no matter

00:59:10.900 --> 00:59:13.340
what. They feel confident about that because

00:59:13.340 --> 00:59:16.900
she can say, hey, he raped me, boom. That was

00:59:16.900 --> 00:59:20.059
definitely proven. The reason they needed her

00:59:20.059 --> 00:59:26.199
is because her testifying gave them reason to

00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:28.119
look for evidence and get a warrant and that

00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:31.059
kind of stuff. The reason I like this movie,

00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:34.039
because overall it was just okay. The movie itself,

00:59:34.099 --> 00:59:40.449
I give about 2 .5 out of 5 Frozen Like, glaciers.

00:59:41.610 --> 00:59:49.030
Huh? Yes, sure. I'll give it 2 .5 because it

00:59:49.030 --> 00:59:51.050
is an interesting story, but at the same time,

00:59:51.070 --> 00:59:54.389
like, it's kind of one note. The reason I like

00:59:54.389 --> 00:59:57.150
this, though, is it was a very subdued Nick Cage

00:59:57.150 --> 00:59:59.869
performance. It's not over the top. There's really

00:59:59.869 --> 01:00:02.610
only one scene where he goes all over, and it

01:00:02.610 --> 01:00:05.960
kind of makes sense. They have John Cusack in

01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.300
the interrogation room and he goes bad cop on

01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:11.860
him. But it's not the Nick Cage of like, you

01:00:11.860 --> 01:00:13.980
murdered her, you raped her, blah, blah, blah.

01:00:14.019 --> 01:00:17.579
Like that. It was just more so like, where did

01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:19.460
you get this? Where did you find this? Like,

01:00:19.539 --> 01:00:22.360
it's a little more... It's subdued. Like I said,

01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.780
it's a little more realistic in the fact that

01:00:25.780 --> 01:00:28.840
he could actually have played a state trooper

01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:34.389
in this. And so it's... It's a very slow burn.

01:00:34.570 --> 01:00:36.869
It's not like you hear a serial killer. It's

01:00:36.869 --> 01:00:39.010
not going to be like an action serial killer

01:00:39.010 --> 01:00:44.269
movie. It tries to be kind of like Seven or like

01:00:44.269 --> 01:00:48.630
Zodiac, that kind of thing where it's like slower

01:00:48.630 --> 01:00:51.329
stuff. Not a whole lot happens, but it's more

01:00:51.329 --> 01:00:55.389
the drama of it. But as I said, Nick Cage is

01:00:55.389 --> 01:00:58.090
great in it. He's kind of subdued and he just

01:00:58.090 --> 01:01:03.579
is not a parody of himself. Overall, I would

01:01:03.579 --> 01:01:06.380
say Nick Cage has made this movie better. And

01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:08.519
I'm trying to keep this short because the next

01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:09.980
one I'm going to talk about, I know I'm going

01:01:09.980 --> 01:01:14.719
to rant. So, yes. The next one is a fun one,

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:18.280
let me tell you. So, Jason, we'll go... Huh?

01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.820
Tell us. Oh, well, wait. You've got a third one

01:01:22.820 --> 01:01:26.460
to talk about, buddy. I do. I do have a third

01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:30.559
one. So, let me start this off by pointing out,

01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:34.780
you know, I watched... Ghost Rider first in this

01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:38.440
whole sequence, which it started bad, then went

01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.260
to hoping for National Treasure, ended up with

01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:44.119
National Treasure 2, so not great. I was really

01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.360
hoping to end on a strong note with one of the

01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:53.059
best action heist movies of all time. Still lives

01:01:53.059 --> 01:01:56.500
up to this day in Gone in 60 Seconds. However,

01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.920
I thought I could stream it for free. Turns out

01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.820
I had to rent it for money, and I figured, well,

01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:05.539
if I'm going to pay money, I'm not going to watch

01:02:05.539 --> 01:02:08.340
a movie that I've already seen a bunch of times.

01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:13.699
So instead, we rented the movie Primal with Nicolas

01:02:13.699 --> 01:02:17.460
Cage. And let me tell you this, this is a garbage

01:02:17.460 --> 01:02:23.239
movie, but it is also 100 % the reason that Nicolas

01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:26.960
Cage will be playing Joe Exotic. Okay. I'm on

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.349
board. so this is like i don't even know if you

01:02:30.349 --> 01:02:32.469
could call it a b movie it could be a c movie

01:02:32.469 --> 01:02:38.250
but it is basically snakes on a plane okay nicholas

01:02:38.250 --> 01:02:44.070
cage plays a like hunter who like used to work

01:02:44.070 --> 01:02:47.650
at zoos i think he said he like worked at eight

01:02:47.650 --> 01:02:53.059
zoos over 10 years so clearly like not good The

01:02:53.059 --> 01:02:56.679
movie starts, he has been in the Brazilian rainforest

01:02:56.679 --> 01:03:00.619
for 10 months hunting a jaguar, and comes across

01:03:00.619 --> 01:03:05.059
this one -of -a -kind white jaguar, and manages

01:03:05.059 --> 01:03:08.099
to capture it and puts it on a boat. For some

01:03:08.099 --> 01:03:12.320
reason, on the same boat, the NSA is transporting

01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:17.880
a former Marine who went off and killed people

01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.570
or something. Oh, God. Back to America to stand

01:03:21.570 --> 01:03:25.750
trial. Okay. Sure enough, this guy, and this

01:03:25.750 --> 01:03:28.650
guy is played by Kevin Durant, like, not Kevin

01:03:28.650 --> 01:03:33.469
Durant, Kevin Durant, who, like, I couldn't tell

01:03:33.469 --> 01:03:35.989
you what role he's played in various movies,

01:03:36.110 --> 01:03:38.030
but, like, if you saw this guy's face, you'd

01:03:38.030 --> 01:03:40.670
be like, oh, my God, I know that guy. It should

01:03:40.670 --> 01:03:43.909
have been Kevin Durant. Yeah. Yeah, this movie

01:03:43.909 --> 01:03:47.059
also... Stars, like, Famke Jensen, like, from

01:03:47.059 --> 01:03:50.559
the X -Men series. But she literally spends most

01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.119
of the movie just, like, sitting in a room kind

01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.619
of thing. And then, like, Michael Imperioli from

01:03:54.619 --> 01:03:56.840
The Sopranos is in there as, like, the NSA officer.

01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.320
And his character literally makes no sense, but

01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.699
I'll get to that in a second. So the whole plot

01:04:01.699 --> 01:04:03.760
of the movie is they're on this boat. And, of

01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:07.079
course, like, Kevin Durant, the murderer, like,

01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:12.519
escapes, starts killing people. and frees all

01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:14.679
of the animals, or a bunch of the animals, that

01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.780
Nicolas Cage had brought on the boat, including

01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:22.659
two incredibly venomous snakes, and the jaguar,

01:04:22.820 --> 01:04:26.539
and it's a whole, just basically like, they're

01:04:26.539 --> 01:04:28.760
trying to capture this guy, and he ends up killing

01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.820
all of them, and Michael Imperioli is like, I

01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:33.719
need to bring him back alive, he has to stand

01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.280
trial, and literally there's a guy at one point

01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.639
who has like, The bad guy in his sights and Michael

01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.139
Imperioli just like casually stabs him through

01:04:42.139 --> 01:04:45.059
the back of the head kind of thing. It's just

01:04:45.059 --> 01:04:48.300
like, I need to bring him alive. But that's,

01:04:48.300 --> 01:04:52.599
that's his entire arc. But in terms of Nicolas

01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:57.639
Cage, it's not good, but it's very consistent.

01:04:57.820 --> 01:05:01.739
The entire movie, his character has like one,

01:05:01.900 --> 01:05:07.280
one plot point or not a point one. one id that

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:10.880
like powers his character spine and that's he

01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:14.900
just doesn't like authority literally the entire

01:05:14.900 --> 01:05:17.460
movie is him just going like i don't need to

01:05:17.460 --> 01:05:22.460
listen to you that's a jag and that's the that's

01:05:22.460 --> 01:05:28.000
his entire wow like it's not a panther it's a

01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.239
jag oh god i don't need to listen to you i don't

01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:36.039
take orders Yeah, this sounds like an award -winning

01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.579
movie. But again, he plays essentially a Joe

01:05:40.579 --> 01:05:44.860
Exotic -type figure thrown into, like, a marine

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:50.619
snakes -on -a -plane situation. Snakes on a boat.

01:05:52.099 --> 01:05:57.239
Kinda. Okay. And I would give it, like, and,

01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.960
like, also the cinematography is horrendous.

01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.119
Whoever colored this movie should be fired immediately.

01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:06.380
Everything is literally one of three colors.

01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:12.500
Yeah, it's awful. I would give this one spot

01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:15.599
on a white jaguar out of five jaguars. Dang.

01:06:16.139 --> 01:06:21.260
Ouch. That hurts. What's the math on that? That

01:06:21.260 --> 01:06:26.639
sounds like a very low score. It's a very low

01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.019
score. Okay, I'll give it... Six dollars, or

01:06:30.019 --> 01:06:31.860
negative six dollars, because that's how much

01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:38.260
I paid to rent it. I dig it. Mitchell, you have

01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:45.179
one more? I do, and it is from 1997, and speaking

01:06:45.179 --> 01:06:49.059
of snakes on a plane, I see that movie, and I

01:06:49.059 --> 01:06:53.800
raise you with cons on a plane. It is Con Air.

01:06:55.389 --> 01:06:59.489
It is one of a long stretch in the 90s when Nicolas

01:06:59.489 --> 01:07:02.210
Cage decided, you know what? I got my Oscar.

01:07:02.510 --> 01:07:05.710
I'm good to go. I'm going to make some bank and

01:07:05.710 --> 01:07:08.349
star in some action movies. And to be honest,

01:07:08.409 --> 01:07:11.150
in hindsight. This may have been him trying to

01:07:11.150 --> 01:07:14.610
get into shape to be a Superman type. And he

01:07:14.610 --> 01:07:17.369
definitely gets pretty jacked up in this movie,

01:07:17.409 --> 01:07:19.250
too. And I'm not saying steroids or anything,

01:07:19.389 --> 01:07:21.809
but the guy is pulling off the action star look.

01:07:22.170 --> 01:07:25.389
For those who have not turned on TBS in the past

01:07:25.389 --> 01:07:29.710
20 years, Con Air is the story that is about,

01:07:29.969 --> 01:07:34.130
as you would expect from the title, they're a

01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:37.989
big plane filled with people who are in jail.

01:07:38.539 --> 01:07:41.940
and are hijacking their way off this planet.

01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:46.840
It is always on TBS. It is always on TBS, which

01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:50.360
is probably how I watched maybe 60 % of this

01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:54.480
movie periodically growing up. But this is a

01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.719
movie that I think knows what it is. So it's

01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:02.480
an over -the -top action movie. Late 90s, kind

01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:06.000
of my era in terms of the type of action that

01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.960
we're seeing. There's lots of fire, lots of explosion.

01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.039
Nothing is subtle here. And it's everything from

01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:15.860
even the casting choices. John Cusack is here.

01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:19.239
Mike, so it sounds like a reunion with Cusack

01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:21.539
and Cage. They love each other. Yeah, I guess

01:08:21.539 --> 01:08:24.220
they do. John Malkovich plays the villain, so

01:08:24.220 --> 01:08:27.619
that's a lot of fun. And Bing Rames is also here,

01:08:27.739 --> 01:08:31.100
as well as a very young Dave Chappelle. And I

01:08:31.100 --> 01:08:34.159
completely did not see that scene before, but

01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.720
he is very much on the plane when they say, welcome

01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.100
to Con Air. So I'm like, oh, crap, there he is.

01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:43.640
So I'm a fan of the movie. It's fun. The thing

01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.319
that I find interesting about Nicolas Cage is

01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.680
that this definitely, in my eyes, defines a certain

01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.689
moment in his filmography where Like I said before,

01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:56.109
he's pretty much settled in terms of reaching

01:08:56.109 --> 01:09:00.329
the heights of acting and getting that Best Actor

01:09:00.329 --> 01:09:04.350
Oscar. And he decides to catch that check and

01:09:04.350 --> 01:09:07.729
just go into these big action movies. And I think

01:09:07.729 --> 01:09:10.569
he actually pulls them up. It's not any of these

01:09:10.569 --> 01:09:13.149
things where he's out here screaming monologues

01:09:13.149 --> 01:09:17.130
about missing his hand anymore. He is fitting

01:09:17.130 --> 01:09:21.270
into this role of being an action star. I think

01:09:21.270 --> 01:09:24.329
it works. He is a lot of fun. It's not like he

01:09:24.329 --> 01:09:26.529
completely drains himself of any personality

01:09:26.529 --> 01:09:30.149
that we've come to know him as over the previous

01:09:30.149 --> 01:09:33.510
10, 15 years of his career. And this is just

01:09:33.510 --> 01:09:35.909
a fun movie. This is a fun movie that knows what

01:09:35.909 --> 01:09:38.229
it is. Nicolas Cage does exactly what he needs

01:09:38.229 --> 01:09:41.949
to do. He flexes his muscles. He cuddles a little

01:09:41.949 --> 01:09:46.600
stuff. Bunny rabbit, which is kind of like a

01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.260
thing throughout the movie. Anyway, it's just

01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:53.920
a fun, you know, mid -afternoon on a Sunday kind

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.819
of watch. You know, if you have nothing to do,

01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.479
flip that thing on. Two hours are going to go

01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.560
by like that. Turn off your brain. It's a good

01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.579
time. Now, typically, I don't watch those kind

01:10:03.579 --> 01:10:05.659
of movies. But when the action is as fun and

01:10:05.659 --> 01:10:08.319
over the top as it is here, you just got to sink

01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.479
your teeth into it. So I do want to end on this

01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.420
because this whole thing is Nick Cage a good

01:10:13.420 --> 01:10:16.869
actor. Let me read you this quote that I come

01:10:16.869 --> 01:10:42.939
across in research. Wow. was in an interview

01:10:42.939 --> 01:10:48.220
back in 2013, and in that lens, am I saying Nick

01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:49.979
Cage is one of my favorite actors? Absolutely

01:10:49.979 --> 01:10:54.460
not. Do I enjoy seeing him on screen? Kind of

01:10:54.460 --> 01:10:57.300
depends on the movie. And that's what I've come

01:10:57.300 --> 01:11:00.260
to realize. I think he is a good actor. I think

01:11:00.260 --> 01:11:03.600
he is really good at that one thing, and that

01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:07.100
is going over the top and maniacal. having the

01:11:07.100 --> 01:11:09.779
right direction or the right project to express

01:11:09.779 --> 01:11:12.899
that side of himself in is what matters here

01:11:12.899 --> 01:11:15.579
so i think he is a good actor he may not be a

01:11:15.579 --> 01:11:18.579
chameleon he's not daniel day lewis i'm not saying

01:11:18.579 --> 01:11:21.319
that but he is entertaining and that is part

01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.859
of being a film actor and you can say the same

01:11:23.859 --> 01:11:26.960
thing about marlon brando he is you know he lights

01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:30.239
up the screen and he makes choices just the way

01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.579
nicholas cage makes choices and this whole obsession

01:11:33.579 --> 01:11:37.409
with naturalism part I think is carried on into

01:11:37.409 --> 01:11:40.170
tradition of younger guys like Ryan Gosling,

01:11:40.270 --> 01:11:43.409
who is a very internal actor, who's one of my

01:11:43.409 --> 01:11:46.050
favorite actors. But I could totally see that

01:11:46.050 --> 01:11:48.510
as the antithesis of a guy like Nick Cage, who

01:11:48.510 --> 01:11:51.409
people love to shit on because of a string of

01:11:51.409 --> 01:11:53.869
awful movies that he's been a part of. But maybe

01:11:53.869 --> 01:11:56.369
it's not always his fault. It's just he's being

01:11:56.369 --> 01:11:58.649
used the wrong way, and the dude's, let's face

01:11:58.649 --> 01:12:01.770
it, desperate for money. So I'm very excited

01:12:01.770 --> 01:12:04.659
to see him as Joe Exotic. I can't wait to see

01:12:04.659 --> 01:12:07.520
it. And, you know, after this little exercise

01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:10.319
we've gone through, I think he is a good actor.

01:12:10.420 --> 01:12:12.979
I'm not saying he's great. I think he is a good

01:12:12.979 --> 01:12:17.880
actor who makes choices. And sometimes that's

01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.720
all I'm asking for, is someone to actually make

01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:22.659
something entertaining out of nothing, breathe

01:12:22.659 --> 01:12:25.399
some life into a project. And Nicolas Cage will

01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:29.340
do that. So I am pro -Nick Cage as far as this

01:12:29.340 --> 01:12:33.460
podcast goes. My friends and I have a Twitter

01:12:33.460 --> 01:12:36.420
feed that we do. We've watched enough bad movies

01:12:36.420 --> 01:12:38.199
that we've kind of, you know, you start to see

01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:41.680
the same faces popping up. And I coined like

01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:43.560
a saying where it's just like it needs a little

01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.520
bit of curry, as in Tim Curry. Doesn't matter

01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:51.239
how bad. the movie is. What about Steph? No comment.

01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.779
No comment. This is 100 % in reference to Tim

01:12:54.779 --> 01:12:56.979
Curry. And I'm not trying to say that Tim Curry

01:12:56.979 --> 01:12:59.520
is like Nicolas Cage. They are very human actors.

01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:02.079
However, similar to what you're saying that,

01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:04.060
you know, if you know he's going to be in something,

01:13:04.340 --> 01:13:06.760
you still kind of want to watch it. There is

01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:08.960
a certain something that they bring to the film.

01:13:09.060 --> 01:13:12.920
They lift it up. It doesn't matter if the production

01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:16.359
is bad, if the writing and pacing is horrible.

01:13:17.069 --> 01:13:20.130
It's let them loose and whatever we're going

01:13:20.130 --> 01:13:23.130
to end up with, at least for those 5, 10, 15

01:13:23.130 --> 01:13:27.510
minutes worth of time, it's fun or at least interesting.

01:13:28.229 --> 01:13:30.909
Absolutely. And I think we saw even a couple

01:13:30.909 --> 01:13:34.090
moments like that in The Trust. Yeah. I'm like,

01:13:34.170 --> 01:13:37.170
oh, that is a weird way to say those words. Or

01:13:37.170 --> 01:13:39.590
that montage where he's infiltrating whatever

01:13:39.590 --> 01:13:43.630
it is, where he's being chummy with the people

01:13:43.630 --> 01:13:47.819
at the casino or wherever. Oh, yes. Right, right,

01:13:47.819 --> 01:13:50.000
right, right. You know, and getting in on it.

01:13:50.100 --> 01:13:52.500
Like, that is fun. Like, he's also, he's a physical

01:13:52.500 --> 01:13:57.020
actor, too. Yep. So, yeah, you know, he brings

01:13:57.020 --> 01:13:58.840
a little curry to the thing. A little curry.

01:13:59.060 --> 01:14:01.260
A little curry. Well, then I'll finish it with

01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:05.079
a terrible one. Bring it down. We're going to

01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:08.859
talk about Next. If you know nothing about Next,

01:14:09.060 --> 01:14:13.239
he plays Chris Johnson, which is the... The running

01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:15.869
back? no the most terrible name for an action

01:14:15.869 --> 01:14:21.310
hero ever um who also it's so bad yeah and he's

01:14:21.310 --> 01:14:24.189
also a magician that has a show where he's frank

01:14:24.189 --> 01:14:27.029
cadillac that's a stage name because of his two

01:14:27.029 --> 01:14:30.569
favorite things frankenstein and cadillacs wow

01:14:30.569 --> 01:14:35.550
yeah um so what chris johnson can do is he can

01:14:35.550 --> 01:14:39.050
see in the future two minutes ahead as long as

01:14:39.050 --> 01:14:42.710
it affects him personally And then he can change

01:14:42.710 --> 01:14:45.810
things so that it doesn't affect him in certain

01:14:45.810 --> 01:14:49.210
ways. The only thing he is seeing longer than

01:14:49.210 --> 01:14:52.489
two minutes is Jessica Biel at this diner. And

01:14:52.489 --> 01:14:54.810
so every day he goes to this diner to see her

01:14:54.810 --> 01:14:59.430
to try to figure out why. Also, Julianne Moore

01:14:59.430 --> 01:15:02.409
is in it as an FBI agent that is trying to use

01:15:02.409 --> 01:15:07.829
him to stop a nuclear bomb from hitting Arizona.

01:15:10.450 --> 01:15:15.029
You know, because that's how you do it. Basically,

01:15:15.390 --> 01:15:18.109
one of the things that happens is he kind of...

01:15:18.109 --> 01:15:20.310
The only scene I actually liked in this movie

01:15:20.310 --> 01:15:22.670
was when he was actually at the diner and he

01:15:22.670 --> 01:15:24.930
kind of went through these scenarios to talk

01:15:24.930 --> 01:15:28.010
to Jessica Biel. And it was kind of like, okay,

01:15:28.210 --> 01:15:29.789
he struck out in that one, so he's not going

01:15:29.789 --> 01:15:32.170
to do that one. Okay, he did well in this one,

01:15:32.210 --> 01:15:33.609
so he's going to do that. You know, like that

01:15:33.609 --> 01:15:36.130
kind of stuff. And that was kind of a fun little

01:15:36.130 --> 01:15:39.840
scene. But at the same time... They don't understand

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:42.979
how long two minutes is. Because that scene...

01:15:42.979 --> 01:15:47.680
Nice. The Dragon Ball Z two minutes? Yeah, it's

01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.640
like a Dragon Ball Z two minutes. Where it's

01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:51.760
like... Are they screaming at the top of their

01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:54.180
lungs? No. Is that what you meant, Andre? No.

01:15:54.979 --> 01:16:00.920
So they'll have two minutes that last for like

01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.619
six minutes, and then they'll have two minutes

01:16:02.619 --> 01:16:04.880
that last for like a minute. And it's kind of

01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:10.029
like, okay, what? That kind of stuff? basically

01:16:10.029 --> 01:16:14.949
convinces Jessica Biel to drive him to Flagstaff.

01:16:15.489 --> 01:16:18.430
They get stuck, so they have to stay at a hotel,

01:16:18.710 --> 01:16:22.829
obviously fall in love right away, have sex,

01:16:23.130 --> 01:16:27.109
and then these events happen where he sees the

01:16:27.109 --> 01:16:30.489
future again, and Jessica Biel gets abducted

01:16:30.489 --> 01:16:33.710
by the terrorists, strapped to a bomb vest, and

01:16:33.710 --> 01:16:36.789
gets blown up. And so he's trying to prevent

01:16:36.789 --> 01:16:39.529
that from happening, So that he can figure out

01:16:39.529 --> 01:16:44.850
why he sees her in the future more than two minutes.

01:16:45.390 --> 01:16:47.390
And then Julianne Moore is trying to use him

01:16:47.390 --> 01:16:48.949
to try to figure out where this nuclear bomb

01:16:48.949 --> 01:16:53.689
is. The end of the movie is what I'm going to

01:16:53.689 --> 01:16:59.449
talk about. Because he saves Jessica Biel. They

01:16:59.449 --> 01:17:03.850
are standing at the edge of this building. And

01:17:03.850 --> 01:17:08.140
he goes, oh no, I made a mistake. And Julianne

01:17:08.140 --> 01:17:10.100
Moore's like, what? You made a mistake. He goes,

01:17:10.180 --> 01:17:12.359
I made a mistake. Grabs Jessica Biel. Nuclear

01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:17.300
bomb goes off. Okay. And then he ends up back

01:17:17.300 --> 01:17:21.920
in bed with Jessica Biel. It was all a dream.

01:17:23.100 --> 01:17:30.000
And so he calls Julianne Moore's character and

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.420
goes, I will help you. You just have to leave

01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:40.170
her out of it. And then half of the movie is

01:17:40.170 --> 01:17:44.010
not actually. Yeah. Okay. And basically he tells

01:17:44.010 --> 01:17:46.630
Jessica Biel, like, I will come back for you,

01:17:46.649 --> 01:17:49.130
whether it's weeks or a month or whatever. I

01:17:49.130 --> 01:17:54.109
will find you. I just need to do this. And then

01:17:54.109 --> 01:17:58.590
credits roll. That is the cheapest ending of

01:17:58.590 --> 01:18:02.409
all time. It's terrible. There is a way to do

01:18:02.409 --> 01:18:05.850
that fake out. Look at Jacob's ladder. I'm not

01:18:05.850 --> 01:18:09.319
going to spoil it. No, but I'm not saying what

01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:13.140
happened. Literally just did. Pretty much did.

01:18:13.979 --> 01:18:19.600
Or have I? There are ways to do this. Wait, Mitchell,

01:18:19.699 --> 01:18:22.340
did you say Jason's Ladder? Hold up. I heard

01:18:22.340 --> 01:18:26.859
Jason's Ladder. It's not cinematic classic Jason's

01:18:26.859 --> 01:18:30.119
Ladder. Wait, what ladder are we talking about?

01:18:30.140 --> 01:18:33.699
Jacob's Ladder. I've never heard of this. Oh

01:18:33.699 --> 01:18:38.079
my god. If you like horror, Check out Jacob's

01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:40.640
Ladder. It inspired pretty much a lot of Silent

01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:44.560
Hill, the video game. Yeah. It is a fantastic

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:48.600
film. I've never seen a scarier thing than the...

01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:52.100
Andre, is that the pre -Silent Hill 2 or something

01:18:52.100 --> 01:18:54.819
like that? Or... You're talking about E .T.?

01:18:54.819 --> 01:18:57.000
Yes. The hallway game? Yeah, that's that. That's

01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.600
either for a Silent Hill game, yes. So, Jacob's

01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.359
Ladder is more the OG Silent Hill. So, like,

01:19:02.380 --> 01:19:06.630
Silent Hill 1 and 2. Mostly one. But it's just

01:19:06.630 --> 01:19:10.189
a fantastic film. It's got a really good... Yo,

01:19:10.189 --> 01:19:12.609
Tim Robbins is in this shit. Yeah. What are we

01:19:12.609 --> 01:19:14.949
talking about? Oh, yeah, the ending. Right, okay.

01:19:15.229 --> 01:19:16.670
Anyway, I'm just saying there's a good way to

01:19:16.670 --> 01:19:18.630
do this plot device and it infuriates me when

01:19:18.630 --> 01:19:21.310
it's just like everything you just watched for

01:19:21.310 --> 01:19:24.390
the last hour, 45 minutes, 20 minutes, 15 minutes,

01:19:24.569 --> 01:19:27.590
doesn't matter. I immediately messaged our group

01:19:27.590 --> 01:19:31.670
and was just like, I have this passion of Fiery

01:19:31.670 --> 01:19:35.420
Sun for how much I hated this. Like, I was so

01:19:35.420 --> 01:19:37.859
pissed off at this movie. Plus, it's just, Nick

01:19:37.859 --> 01:19:40.359
Cage is bored the entire movie. It's not, he's

01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:43.279
just walking through it. And so this is the only

01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:46.939
movie, because I'll spoil it, I have him as a

01:19:46.939 --> 01:19:50.039
good actor. This is the only movie that made

01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:52.979
me sit here going like, maybe he isn't a good

01:19:52.979 --> 01:19:59.279
actor. But, alright. He needed it really badly.

01:19:59.579 --> 01:20:04.699
In a word, good bad actor. You have to say good

01:20:04.699 --> 01:20:10.300
or bad. We'll go Jill and Andre. Good. Jason?

01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:15.899
Sorry, I couldn't get off mute for a second.

01:20:16.899 --> 01:20:19.260
I can only say good or bad? Only say good or

01:20:19.260 --> 01:20:31.600
bad. Good. So you would say middle of the road,

01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:38.109
probably. He has the capability to be good. Okay.

01:20:38.689 --> 01:20:43.250
And then Mitchell, you said good? By the quality

01:20:43.250 --> 01:20:48.130
of work that he's in, but he also has the capability

01:20:48.130 --> 01:20:52.590
to be very dab. Yes. Pick an era of Nicolas Cage

01:20:52.590 --> 01:20:55.829
as a moving target on good or bad. True. Mitchell,

01:20:55.869 --> 01:21:09.659
you would say good? We take your first word because

01:21:09.659 --> 01:21:13.380
I said in a word. Yep, good. And then I'm saying

01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:18.239
good. So that is our cage match episode of Game

01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.500
for a Movie. I was like, he made it on top. He

01:21:21.500 --> 01:21:23.539
made it out pretty okay. He made it out alright,

01:21:23.739 --> 01:21:25.579
yeah. We'll have to find another thing for us

01:21:25.579 --> 01:21:27.560
to do for our next episode if we're still going

01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:30.979
to be in quarantine. But thank you guys for stopping

01:21:30.979 --> 01:21:33.279
by. Jason, thank you for being our special guest

01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:36.560
and watching all those Nick Cage movies. slash

01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:40.920
coming up with a cast yeah it was a it's been

01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:45.800
a rough week yeah that's rough god we'll have

01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:52.399
to get something better but thank you guys you

01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:59.000
can delete that dude i just watched the i just

01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:01.680
watched the trailer it looks amazing It's amazing.

01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:04.500
It's really, really good. I'm just saying, though,

01:22:04.579 --> 01:22:06.680
I can delete it from the podcast. I can't delete

01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:10.380
it from my mind. Yes. I guess you're just going

01:22:10.380 --> 01:22:12.159
to have to watch the film to see what all the

01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:16.319
hub -a -loo is about. Yeah. Well, thank you guys

01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:18.880
very much. This was Game for a Movie, where we

01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:20.479
ask, are you game for a movie?