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Welcome to the show, Sergio. Welcome, buddy.
Thanks, dude. It's good to be here. This felt
like a good one to have you come on for. I appreciate
it. I don't know much about the Silent Hill games,
but I have seen my fair share of gaming movies.
And so I thought... And as far as I know, this
isn't a part of... I mean, are there other Silent
Hill movies? I'm assuming there probably is some
B -movie ones, right? I think there's one or
two other ones. This is the one that came to
mind just because I knew this one was horrible.
But I think there's one or two other ones that
kind of... None of them are like blockbuster
have to watch movies. This one, definitely not.
Yeah, I was going to say. Especially because
this one was like shot for 3D, but they went
full gimmick on this one. Whenever we have somebody
new on the show, I have to ask you, what is the
worst movie you have ever seen? Man, so that
one. that's tough because I'm going to, I guess
I have two kind of philosophies on like what
I consider really bad. So, and one of them, you
know, but it's just because I'm a mortal combat
fan, the annihilation movies up there, but that's
like worst movie that I enjoy partially because
I'm, because I'm a fan of the franchise. So I
know what it could be, but it's just so bad that
it's good. But honestly, after watching this
movie, As far as recent memory, this is up there
too. Okay. And maybe I'll hate it more than you
because you've seen a lot more bad movies. You
know what I mean? I think you're going to be
surprised with my ranking, but I think it does
because of the bad movies I've seen. I think
this one is going to be like a bias in the fact
that I've seen so much worse. That's what I'm
thinking. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is going to
be a weird one at the end with our rankings.
Okay. Well, that's good then. I guess add some
controversy. Yeah, right. We also talk about
what we are drinking. It is actually 2 .15 in
the afternoon on a Monday. And I still feel a
little hungover from Saturday. So I am actually,
this is a weird one for me. I am drinking a Coca
-Cola. I'm not going too crazy to start off my
Monday. I don't know if you have anything over
there or if you have plans tonight. Is there
anything you're drinking over there? Water is
fine or anything like that. I have a bloom sparkling
energy drink just because I wanted to try different,
something different. And you know, Jackie from
work, she was, she's put me on. So I was like,
you know what? I'll give it a try as a peach
mango flavor. So there you go. That wouldn't
be against a beer right now, but there's no judgment.
I know I said 215 on a Monday. There's no judgment.
Sometimes, especially on an off day, you'd catch
me with a beer. As I said before, I'm still recovering
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my friend. GFAM. All right, let's talk this bad
movie. This bad movie is Silent Hill Revelation
3D. Came out in 2012. I was going to have this
all ready, and I did not have it ready. It is
an hour and 35 minutes, rated R, directed and
written by M .J. Bassett. M .J. Bassett is English,
actually. He's from the UK. And she is known
for being a director of four episodes of Power,
four episodes of Ash vs. Evil Dead, a couple
episodes of Strike Back. A lot of TV is what
I will say on this one. Not a whole lot of movie
opportunities, but a lot of TV. I don't know
who this person is. And the other writer on this
one is Laurent Hadida. And then you've got the
actual writer of the series. I am going to butcher
the hell out of this. Hiroyuki Owaku. That sounded,
I mean. Sounded okay? Sounds right to me, yeah.
But I'm not looking at it. All right, all right.
I feel okay about that one. Yeah. Sergio, did
you know that this movie was nominated for one,
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight awards?
no what are they bad awards they gotta be bad
awards um actually no or the costume maybe like
the makeup a lot of costume and makeup and then
some uh some film or uh scores oh okay i mean
the music was interesting i was actually kind
of surprised that a lot of how i knew a lot of
the music and like uh motifs like auditory motifs
i guess whatever i had heard so many from like
tiktok and other videos and other things like
uh the little piano score that plays like i think
towards the end and then there's like a that
weird sound effect that you hear in like every
scary video on tiktok or whatever it's like uh
it sounds like I don't even know, but I'm sure
people that, you know, you play the movie, I
think it plays in the first like five minutes.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's got a lot
of like best makeup, best visual effects, best
makeup, costume design, and then a couple like
best score, sound editing kind of things. There's,
there is one for best film. I do kind of want
to see the nominees for this one. I, I don't
know about that one. Ironically, how does that
work? Does it just one person have to vote for
that? I will say it's like, it's a horror specific
one. So this was 2012. So it just kind of, who
was competing? I feel like it wasn't, that seems
like it would be around the same time as like
maybe the first insidious though, or some other,
like, well, I will say, I think the one that
won was cabinet in the woods. So. i mean that
was that was a good one i don't i don't think
i was gonna say um it feels like there was a
it wasn't we weren't starving for horror movies
at that time so hearing that that was even nominated
right but that's just from what i remember right
like it feels like a weird one to have someone
really like silent hill it also feels weird that
i think it's just like lumped together with a
bunch of other movies this is very strange because
like It's okay. So this is, let me go up to the
top here. This is the Rondo Hatton classic horror
awards, but in the best film category, there's
like 20 films nominated. And I don't have all
of these as horror because the winner was cabin
in the woods. There's also like the woman in
black, but then you also got movies like the
dark night rises, the Avengers. I don't have
those as horror. Classic horror movies. Yeah,
right. The Hobbit, An Unexpected Journey, The
Hunger Games. But then you get things like Paranorman,
The Possession, Prometheus, The Raven. Yeah,
okay. Those don't feel... I don't even know.
I don't think those feel like horror movies to
me. Some of those. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
doesn't feel the relevance. Some of the people
in this movie, Adelaide Clemens, Kit Harington,
Sean Bean. We've got Malcolm McDowell and Carrie
Ann Moss. It's a very who's who movie that I
was kind of not expecting. All of a sudden was
like, and this person's in it. What? Why is this
person in it? It felt like there was like seven
actors. Yeah. It felt like there was like, and
you, they were pretty much. yeah i mean and some
of them felt like they were only in it for a
little bit too right like um the the pi guy the
private investigator at the beginning i was like
oh he seems like he's gonna be important maybe
he's gonna be a hallucination the whole time
and he he definitely felt like a bigger deal
and then all of a sudden he was killed off immediately
yeah i didn't know if i'm allowed to say that
he dies or not i was like oh we're gonna spoil
it all like we're gonna go through every last
detail so that people you don't have to watch
this movie we did it for you i wouldn't yeah
i definitely wouldn't yeah uh it is estimated
that it was a 20 million dollar budget uh the
gross the gross worldwide was 55 million so it
did make its money back i don't know how much
they put into like marketing and stuff so i don't
know how much it made but at least by those numbers
it does look like it did make its money back
uh rotten tomatoes numbers the reason we can
watch this movie eight percent critic score 35
audience score yeah i mean it's just I that's
why I guess when you ask like the bad movie like
what's the worst movie it's it wasn't fun you
know what I mean like it it felt like it was
just moving you through like set pieces and then
it was just like I felt like I missed the whole
scene like from scene to scene I was like what's
going on but the crazy part is that the beginning
is just straight exposition like even with sean
bean having like the hallucination of um i guess
it was his wife i can't like i'm trying to follow
and like he's just like he's saying it out loud
what like the the viewer needs to know because
it's like i guess we're entering this video game
world and and once again like they think that
the audience is too dumb to figure these things
out and like inadvertently makes it more confusing
by just saying as much information instead of
like trying to like teach it or show it you know
i guess it's like tell or show don't tell right
and i don't get anything because it's like oh
well now we're in the next scene she's at school
and she's being bullied for no reason uh yeah
exactly and like that whole thing with the uh
the wife and everything too i was a little confused
by because i thought he was like visiting her
present day And then it became, like, abundantly
clear it was the scene about she was sacrificing
herself to save the daughter. Uh -huh. So, like,
I don't know. It was very confusing. Yes, that's
a good way of putting it. This movie was very
confusing. Let's start at the beginning and kind
of, like, go into the details of what this movie
was. So, if you want to watch this movie, as
always, this is your spoiler warning. We're going
to tell you everything about this movie so you
don't have to watch it. I think you're going
to be okay in the fact that you don't want to
watch it. The first thing that caught me off
guard was that this is Shout Studios. That is
a great sign that this was going to be a terrible
movie. Shout Studios has produced a ton of movies
that are just kind of low budget. We've covered
plenty of their movies before. As soon as that
came up, I was like, cool. I know what I'm in
for. I don't know if you've seen any of that
and knew, but as soon as I saw that, I was just
like, oh, buckle up. We're ready. And it starts
with the dream sequence that basically she was
at a... She was at an amusement park and she
was being chased by it seemed like a cult. And
this cult was I don't know why they were chasing
her but she was running from them and just like
seeing things and it was just kind of like flashy
kind of thing. I knew it was a dream immediately
because of the way it was kind of shown and everything
like that and one of the things we also see is
this little girl and we know that that this girl
or i guess she's not really a little girl at
this point she was like um a teenager probably
right yeah i think so they show her like in two
different ages right right throughout the movie
Yeah, so she's being chased, and this girl is
able to use fire and catches her on fire, and
then she wakes up. The girl being chased is our
main character, who is... This is what's going
to be confusing. Her real name is Sharon, and
she is being played by Adelaide... What's her
last name? Adelaide... I didn't know her from
anything else, to be honest. Adelaide Clemens.
She's from Australia. She was in Great Gatsby
as Catherine. That makes sense that she's Australian
because her accent did come out a couple times.
I kept looking at her. I was just like, she looks
so familiar, but she looks kind of Carey Mulligan
-esque. When I saw that she was also in Great
Gatsby, that threw me more. Yeah. But yeah, so
she's in Great Gatsby. She's been in a couple
other things. Not a lot of things that I recognize,
but she's been in a couple other things. Yeah.
So she's told it's going to be okay by her father,
Sean Bean. Yeah. Cool. I don't know why they
went with him. to be honest. Maybe he looks like
a character from the games, but having him do
an American accent was just weird. It's very
strange. It barely sounded American at times.
It almost sounds like he's going to go Irish.
I don't know. It was interesting to bring him
in. How old did you think Sharon was? I'm asking
you specifically. Sharon is the main character,
right? Heather? Yes, Sharon, Heather. So they're
running from people. We don't know who at this
point, so they have multiple names. Her name
is either Sharon or Heather. That's going to
be very confusing, but Sharon, Heather. That's
for the listeners out there. We might refer to
her as Sharon. We might refer to her as Heather.
I definitely thought she was like... 20 -something,
like 25 maybe. But clearly the 2000s, they love
casting way older people for high school. When
they wake up, because there is a part where Sean
Bean does get stabbed. They keep telling her
not to go back to Silent Hill in these dreams.
That's the only important thing about these dreams.
Don't go to Silent Hill. When they finally wake
up, It's her 18th birthday. And I literally included,
wait, this fucking 40 year old is 18. Yeah. Yeah.
And like, and she sat on his lap, which was like
very jarring. Yes. I would not have been surprised
if they were like married and going through a
separation and like sleeping in different beds
like that. That's how I would have been more
convinced of that than she was in high school.
uh i also was thrown off by the fact it's her
birthday and he got her a fucking vest yeah and
it was she again it's like they just have to
like spoon feed you they're like oh yeah i saw
you looking at it blah blah blah and the it's
like we have no attachment or even care we didn't
see that scene it was just like oh he cares about
her he pays attention to what she likes because
this vest that anybody else would have been like
okay what And what did the vest matter? Like
that's, that also didn't matter. I don't, Oh,
I feel like the character in the game wore the
vest and maybe that's why they did that. But
I couldn't tell you for certain. I thought it
was going to be like, Oh, had something like,
I was like, did I, was I supposed to pay attention
to something in a dream? Was she wearing it in
the dream? Like, is this going to be later? Gave
them way too much credit on what, what it was
going to mean. And that's what I thought, too.
Maybe that was it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't
know where that came in, what it was or anything
like that. Maybe. I don't know. She goes to school,
and he starts reading this notebook with stuff
about Silent Hill, and then there's a box. And
he puts the notebook stuff in the box with all
this stuff about Silent Hill. And then he starts
seeing his old wife, Rose, and this was the scene
we were talking about. I didn't know if that
was him seeing her or if that was like, oh, this
is when we put it together. Like, this is when
she made the sacrifice to save Sharon Heather
so that she could get out of Silent Hill. While
Heather Sharon is walking to school, I'm just
going to call her Sharon Heather, Heather Sharon,
whatever. Like, that's just what I got to do.
Sharon's what the PI calls her? Is that how we
find out Sharon is her other name? Yes. I made
a note that he was yelling Sharon at her. Yeah.
While she's walking to school, the PI catches
up with her and is just like, hey, I know you.
She's like, no, you don't. Like, the fuck you
do. Which, if you're a PI, that's a... terrible
way to go about it isn't it i think so it seems
like you'd want to be more you know hidden and
then because she says no you don't he's like
no i'm pretty sure i do like and it's like how
does this help you at all like yeah anyways you're
just supposed to follow her like you're not supposed
to like interact or anything unless you want
to like okay i work for the order i want to get
you out of here no which he right he was just
reporting right i think to them later on he's
like oh i told them where you're at and then
it's like okay so at what point did it benefit
you to tell her that you're in on this but right
there was nothing you were supposed to report
and like they probably killed you yeah that's
all i was gonna say and then you end up dying
right um this is her first day of the new school
because she's moved around everything like that
uh the speech there's no way that would have
happened in class that she gets asked to introduce
herself to the class and she doesn't want to
tell anything about herself because she's like
i just introduced myself i'm heather you know
that kind of stuff and one of the girls is like
do you always shop at uh goodwill yeah yeah which
yeah people do that all the time now especially
right like who cares the teacher doesn't do shit
either the teacher's just like not even there
right like she gives this whole big speech about
like look i've moved to five different schools
since i was 11 and now i'm 18 slash 40 um and
like i'm not gonna facebook you i'm not gonna
im you i don't care about you all this stuff
and i'm just like that's honestly badass but
no 18 year old is doing that they want to be
popular or whatever no one's saying that even
if they don't want that yeah she's independent
right after movement everywhere but just yeah
people want to be liked well it also introduces
us to the other new kid uh vincent freaking kit
harrington is he the worst part of the movie
yes I was going to ask you that myself. He's
I was like, yeah, like another person I like.
Well, I mean, the only person I recognized so
far in this movie is Sean Bean. Right. And I
see Kit Harington. I'm like, it's like Game of
Thrones. You've got both of them in here already.
And then quickly you're like, oh, that's why
he wasn't that famous yet. Because like his only
job in the beginning is just a bitch and moan.
and try to be her friend like so so badly for
no reason too you're like what she she's being
like rude to you and somehow you still want to
be her friend but well and that's the thing too
is like because he was trying so hard i'm like
they're telegraphing this move like i'm not gonna
spoil what's happening yet until we get there
but i i knew what road we were going down yeah
After that clash, she's walking down the hall
and everyone starts disappearing. She starts
seeing these visions. Her visions are getting
a little more out of control. And she starts
seeing this creature walking towards her, but
she snaps out of it because Vincent sees her.
And Vincent's trying to get her to go get coffee
with him. but she's like, no, we have class.
We can't do this. And then she walks out of the
school anyway. That just was my favorite thing
where it was just like, no, we can't do this.
We can't go get coffee. We have class. And then
she walks out of the class anyway and sees the
weird guy who is the PI. We don't know that he's
a PI yet, but she sees the weird guy and is like,
okay, I'm being followed. I need to call dad.
I need to call Harry, Sean Bean. And tells him
to meet her at the mall. While he's on the phone.
The doorknob starts rattling. So he goes to the
back door. And the shadow engulfs the back door.
And we don't know what happens to Harry. Yeah.
I thought that was it for Sean Bean. I thought
so too. Sean Bean fashion. He's out of the movie
in the first. 20 minutes or game of thrones you
know the first season it's a habit of killing
sean bean yeah i don't know if it's still like
the uh the case um if he's still number one um
but it was for a while that like he was the number
one celebrity that dies in movies Oh, Lord. And
so I want to play a game with our listeners here.
Do we think, listeners, that Sean Bean dies in
this movie? I want you guys to guess and take
a pick if you think that Sean Bean dies in this
movie all right that's i just wanted i just wanted
to to have you guys take a guess um according
to imdb he's died on screen 25 times in movies
hey yeah 25 times which is actually not too because
i wonder i wonder how many movies he's done like
right done 26 He's done a lot more, but it's
funny because Christopher Lee is at 70 now, like
on -screen deaths. Oh, dang. Yeah, so I'd like...
It was a lot, but I guess it's not that many.
Is Christopher Lee normally more of a villain
role would be my question. Are those deaths kind
of like they come with the... Because I think
with Sean Bean, normally he dies. He's not even
a bad guy, right? Right. Well, sometimes he is,
for sure. Sometimes he is. Spoiler alert for
GoldenEye. I don't know if I have to give a spoiler
alert for that. John Hurt is 43. Christopher
Lee is 70. Definitely a lot of his are being
the bad guy. Bela Lugosi is 36. Vincent Price
is 48. He's definitely a bad guy in a lot of
those. Dennis Hopper is up to 48. Yeah, it looks
like Sean Bean's on the low side now. Jeez. Yeah.
Danny Trejo's 41? Records are meant to be broken.
Can't be at the top forever. Seriously. Mark
Hamill's 30. That's a lot, too. I mean, that's
why I was like, I guess if you normally play
a lot of bad guys, I would assume that that's
just like... It comes with the territory, yeah.
But if you're playing the good guy and dying
a lot, then it's like, damn, you just... I'm
wondering now if it's like Sean Bean died the
most as like a good guy. I'm wondering because
he has like Lord of the Rings and then like Game
of Thrones, you know? Yeah, he normally plays
the benevolent guy. Yeah, right. I don't know.
Gets screwed anyways. Yeah, so I thought definitely
this was a spot where either he was dead or at
least he's been kidnapped to die later. So I
don't know. Yeah. you know so uh this is this
is the part where like it started getting weird
at this part with the mall scene i didn't understand
why we got to cannibalism i know it's a very
weird statement but it is she got to the mall
there happened to be like a birthday party and
it just so happened to be for a girl named heather
and then then it became alessa on the balloon
like it floated around and it was like happy
birthday alessa happy birthday heather and then
the girls like at this party were like chowing
down on like chewy human meat like long pig kind
of stuff it was gross it was very gross uh scared
her off and she's like running she ran to the
back where like they were making the food and
it looked like they were like cutting up a human
and stuff and it was very gross um lots of cannibalisms
kind of thing that she was seeing. We didn't
know for sure, but pretty confident. It was just
visions, more visions. Yeah. And then there was
like stitch faces and stuff. I didn't know what
to call half of these creatures, but it was like
stitch faces. Yeah. I know kind of off, not related
to the characters, but I thought it was weird
how like these visions were kind of an excuse
for them to move from like setting to setting.
again like in a whiplash form because we're in
the mall and then we're like in a back alley
and then like warehouse and like all this shit
and it just happens so quickly right these visions
like like you said you know their visions but
like the fact that they kind of bleed into like
the the reality so much but i'm with you on that
the creatures the creatures were all kind of
like either their face missing eyes or like stitched
faces or right um and with the cannibalism thing
That felt just so outside of everything else.
I don't know. They didn't really stick to it.
Yeah, there was no real other mentions of cannibalism
except for just this one scene. To shock, I guess.
That's what it was for, just to shock people.
It wasn't even a part of the 3D. It didn't work
into the 3D element of it. Yeah, there really
wasn't a part of the 3D until this next part.
The private investigator's there. And he's yelling
Sharon. And this is when we learn that her name
is really Sharon. Sharon Heather. And he's like
yelling and running after her while she's tripping
balls. And he reveals that Harry has been lying
to her the whole time. Like her whole life. Which
he really hadn't. He said she was in an accident.
Yeah, that was kind of a lie. But, like, how
do you explain she's the child of a god and that
an order is trying to steal her to take her back
to Silent Hill? Yeah. She's only 18 still. Yeah,
right. Like, I'm not saying that, like, okay,
yeah, he did lie. But, like, he didn't really
say anything other than just don't go to Silent
Hill. I'm going to raise you. We have to be on
the run. That's it. That's all you need or should
know. Right. Like, yeah, I don't think he ever
was like, I'm not going to tell you everything.
It's just I'm here to protect you. I'm here to
keep you safe. Yeah, that's that's what your
mom wants. And she's gone. We have to respect
her wishes because he's Sean Dean. Right. Like,
yeah, the man of value. Yeah. And then this this
guy's name is Douglas. I can't remember his last
name. Doesn't matter. Private Investigator Douglas.
And he was hired by the order of Valtiel to find
her. And he's like, you need to get away. Like,
I no longer want to help them. You need to get
away. Why? Doesn't matter. Change of heart. Yeah,
he's a good guy now. The magical change of heart.
already been paid and he was like oh shit yeah
um as he's saying this knife hand demon is just
drops down and starts chasing after him uh he
knife hand demon chops off douglas's fingers
which is 3d yep they remembered it's a 3d movie
at this point this is this is the part they remembered
as a 3d movie uh they somehow end up in an elevator
and knife hand demon jumps down and starts like
chop it like chopping at the top of it um but
they escape they're they're down at the bottom
of this elevator and they they can get out and
run away and douglas can help them and she opens
the door she gets out and she's like come on
let me help you and then knife hand demon pops
up grabs him takes him away we don't see him
die but it's off screen and she runs away down
a dark hallway and somehow the police get there
real fast yeah yeah so as she escapes the mall
they're like wheeling his body out uh there's
detectives there already and they find that his
wallet they see who he is they already know that
he's a private investigator and they also find
her jacket with her ID that says Heather and
they know that they need to find her which she
was just right there yeah uh but guess who shows
up randomly at this mall the guy you need to
move the plot along Vincent yeah oh my god yay
Vincent but she's bordering on stalker at this
point yep definitely like how do you know where
to be at all times yeah at least douglas i mean
yeah he was kind of stalkerish too but at least
he's a private investigator he can get away with
it yeah he's getting paid yeah exactly cool so
vincent finds her he's walking her home and then
they they get on a bus um and they start having
this like serious conversation about like dreams
and reality and he's like you should see my crazy
grandfather The thing that all girls want to
be told is like, hey, you're being perfectly
valid, but also my crazy grandfather is perfectly
valid too. I don't know if you've ever used that
move before, but don't. Don't try it. Yeah. Probably
not going to work. Especially if you have the
Kit Harington charisma. Yeah, right. So he walks
her all the way home. She gets home. She gets
in. She sees their dad's not there. And she sees
there's blood on the wall saying, come to Silent
Hill, along with a little symbol. She screams
and the doorknob starts rattling again. But don't
worry. It's everyone's favorite stalker. It's
just Vincent. Heather knows about the box upstairs,
so she goes to it, opens it, finds a letter that
says basically, like, for Sharon. Heather Sharon,
whatever her name is. And, yeah. They're going
to grab stuff from the box, and they're going
to go and try to go to Silent Hill and find Harry,
her father. Even though all of her dreams, all
of what Harry's ever said to her is don't go
to Silent Hill. Smart plan, right? Yeah, I mean,
it's the only way the plot was ever going to
go is to Silent Hill, especially with how much
they made it seem like from the jump, like don't
go to Silent Hill. I feel like they could have
just left out up until this point. It could have
been later referenced. Like, oh, yeah, he told
me a long time ago I shouldn't go to Silent Hill.
But up until this point, they've told you. Basically,
you've known it's going to go there. Don't go.
Don't go. It's been beaten over the head for
you. At the same time, the detectives are knocking
on the door, trying to get in. Because they're
looking for who killed the private investigator.
And so she needs somebody to drive her because
she doesn't know how to drive. At age 40, doesn't
know how to drive. Or 18, I guess. At age 40.
Like, Harry's prepared her for a lot of things.
Like, she knows how to shoot a gun, we learn.
Yeah, pretty well. Yeah. But she doesn't know
how to drive? Like Harry knows the order is probably
going to come chasing after her eventually and
didn't teach her how to drive. Yeah. Didn't have
a whole lot of time, I guess. Right. I'm not
even talking about like, okay, if you're not
going to go driving well. Yeah. If you're not
going to go through gaining an ID, fine. I get
that. You don't want to have an ID license on
the record or whatever because you go from town
to town changing names. Fine. I didn't think
about that. Yeah, I thought about that. But still,
just go do donuts in the parking lot. Yeah, just
know at least how to get behind the wheel. Yeah,
hot wire car or something. I don't know. They're
probably living. outside of the law to some degree
anyways i would assume right like if you're have
multiple identities you probably he has a way
to make doing things legally yeah so i don't
understand yeah should know how to drive right
she had the id on her that they were able to
see next to the private investigator in her jacket
to know hey she's the one that probably killed
him yeah like yeah i mean that that yeah i didn't
even think about that that's a good kind of like
just oopsie but we need it for the plot to move
it along this is this is why i go like way down
the rabbit hole on these fucking movies like
i think way too much down these that they didn't
even do yeah i well i think also they're just
like they're banking on all the other like things
like it being 3d and being a game movie and like
you know having a fan base it just wants to but
they don't really think about making it uh even
coherent you know right movie because movie yeah
just leave plot holes people they won't think
about it too hard except some people will and
yeah that's a part yep um so they get in the
car and they're going to drive to silent hill
which, again, they were told not to do. And she
reads the letter for Sharon. And this is a big
exposition dump. They're told that they are waiting
for a child to be born there to be a vessel for
their god. I'm guessing it's supposed to be Sharon
slash Heather. The god is also Alessa, it mentions.
Like, that's part of the person, too. I'm with
you on this movie is sometimes confusing. Cause
like I was thinking Alessa was the God, but she's
just, she's just part of the child. Yeah, I think.
And I don't, I don't know because like, I think
in the games, like the character is. like alessa
is a part of the the games but i don't even know
if it's like the same plot lines because in this
movie it made it seem like the main character
is kind of an extension of alessa or something
right because she's like i'm you or something
i don't right yeah like i i think i can explain
that at the end i think i kind of put it together
but i don't know it's just i don't know again
it's just so fucking i don't even know if i could
swear it's so like oh you can swear yeah oh no
we we earn that e we earn that explicit it's
so violently like whiplash with just like some
of the things that decides to just dump on on
you exposition wise right and then some of the
stuff it just expects you to put together like
oh and like i don't know it was just i that whole
character was confusing like the less of like
why i should even care right i i agree with that
no i'm with you at that um i'm curious as to
what you interpreted from from that whole dynamic
because like at the end i think the payoff didn't
didn't work for me because i just was not following
that whole i'm definitely with you on that i
i agree that it's definitely not uh we definitely
didn't piece it together until the end and it
didn't pay off um Yeah, I'm with you on that.
The only other thing I want to bring about the
drive is that God is to bring a world of darkness
with creatures released into the world, including
Pyramid Head, who is said to be the protector
and executioner of the God. That's the only thing
that I want to... Because I made a note of that,
and I remembered it later on. Because I don't
even think she made a note of that later on.
Yeah. Because they're still kind of scared of
the character. Right. And I don't think she should
have been. I read that as Pyramid Head is going
to protect her. And she seemed confused by that.
And I was like, no, bitch, I think you're good.
I think he's on your side. I think you should
not be afraid of Pyramid Head. I think you're
good. I think you're okay. I think that was also
part of the subversion they thought they were
delivering on. I think even in the dream sequence
in the beginning, he's never really the threat
in the dream sequence. He's being manipulated
and used to crank the carousel. He's being used,
I think. So, like, by the order. Yeah. Yeah,
so I think he wants revenge on the order, even.
Like, I was kind of thinking that at the beginning
when I'm seeing he has, like, hooks in him. It
felt very Hellraiser, if you want to know the
truth. Yeah. I think that it was a lot of inspired
by that. Yeah, especially the knife demon. I
think she looked very Hellraiser. Yeah. I forgot
what they're called in the Hellraiser universe,
but it felt like this could be an extension of
that. Cenobites. I couldn't remember the beginning
of it. I knew Bytes. I couldn't remember the
Cenobites part. Yeah, it feels almost like an
extension of those. Right. All right. This is
the part, like, I know we need to cover it, but
I just want to skip through it because it honestly
made things more confusing. The part at the inn.
So they stop at an inn because Vincent's tired.
and he's just like i think you're right i think
your dad's right we shouldn't go to silent hill
he believes that she's innocent and she shouldn't
go back to silent hill and the reason is because
he's a child of the order too and this is where
we get like where i thought it was going the
whole time he's supposed to be watching sharon
heather And basically he starts talking about
she needs the two pieces of the seal to save
her father, which Vincent's grandfather has.
So she needs to go to the asylum. He wants to
help her because he believes that she's the innocent
part of Alessa. The darkness came to the hotel
room and took Vincent and stabbed him, but left
the piece of the seal. that she needs to save
her father i just want to get that out quickly
because honestly i think that confused me more
than it helped me yeah i mean the pacing like
up until this point has been just like get everything
in front of you and then i feel like they realize
they still only you know i don't think they ever
thought this movie was going to be like too long
right they just had to just keep but yeah that
i had to rewind that part a little bit because
i think that's where like i know you broke it
into two halves i think i broke this movie into
two halves i think that's where i had kind of
picked up and i was like hold on i just missed
more of this movie at some point right i had
to rewind it and that was the part i was started
falling asleep on the couch that's why i broke
it into two parts is because vincent bored me
and that was that was exactly why i was falling
asleep because i knew where it was going with
him being part of this shit you know how like
you can see a whole character's arc like when
they're first introduced yeah i knew as soon
as like he was trying to get with her i'm like
this dude's part of this but he also is going
to have like a redemption arc and like he's going
to be part of saving the day and they're gonna
kiss or something or what what have you and i'm
just like this dude i can see everything from
the beginning he's an asshat i don't like this
guy and i think the fact he gets introduced at
the same time she does like if they treated it
as two different plot lines like you meet him
later on and then he has his own trauma yeah
right and you're like okay maybe they work together
you don't like think about the fact that like
the the the big uh kind of like subversion betrayal
aspect of it is supposed to be or that he's a
part of it or whatever i don't know they should
have treated it as its own plot line but the
fact you meet him at the same time basically
she's at school then like the first five minutes
you're like okay he's just there and it's not
a tool it's not even that like oh he's already
in the class no he is a new student the same
day yeah she's a new like it it's abundantly
clear oh this fucker god damn it like yeah yeah
they should i almost think if they started the
movie with him and then introduced her And then
she becomes the main character. You start to
wonder, oh, is he going to help or whatever?
Instead of thinking like, oh, wow, coincidence,
he's here at the same time. Oh, and he really
wants to be her friend. I knew exactly right
off the bat what his whole arc was going to be.
And I'm just like, this guy sucks. God damn it.
He was just boring. And it's not even Kit Harington's
fault. I think he was pretty green as an actor.
A lot of it was just the character and writing
of it. I don't think he helped it, and I think
he's better now, but it was definitely the writing
for me for him. I think he's a better actor now.
Maybe he could have helped it a little better
now, but I still don't think you're redeeming
that character. I think you could have put Leonardo
DiCaprio in that role now. And you're still not
saving that thing. You know, that was bad. Yeah.
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All right, so since the darkness came to the
inn, now it's all foggy outside. It is Silent
Hill time. We're actually in the town. Welcome
to Silent Hill. The sign is in the fog. As she
walks in... There are like ghoulish looking people
in the windows of the buildings looking at her.
There's like church bells going off. And in the
middle of town, there are people burned at the
stake for being traitors. Like it says traitor
and there are people burnt and everything like
that. Like it shows you this is a bad place to
live. This is the wrong side of the tracks. Not
a good place to be. And the first person Sharon
talks to in this town, who does it happen to
be? Alessa's mother. And this is where we get
the backstory. I don't know if we talked about
this. Sharon's adopted. Harry and Rose are not
her actual parents. And so we need to learn the
backstory of where does Sharon come from? Well,
she's Alessa's kind of daughter. Basically, Alessa
was burned at the stake. She was full of rage.
She took the one innocent part of her and ripped
it out and put it in an orphan baby, and that
was Sharon. So now the only way to stop Alessa
is to damn herself and reconnect with Alessa.
Another part where I was just like, okay, just
spoon -feed me this lore, because it's just like...
and and like they did try like the flashbacks
in the beginning of the movie i don't know if
that kind of way would have helped like you know
going back to like showing versus not telling
because like the flashbacks are always like kind
of like the only thing is just it's another scene
just covered in that like little haze around
the borders so that you know or like just the
cutting of it a little foggy yeah yeah um but
this part was just like oh my god okay and yeah
there's like spoon feeding and then there's like
shoving it down your throat like yeah yeah this
is this is shoving it down your throat like yeah
it's we we have an hour and a half of a movie
we have to just blast you with all the information
so we can get to the next set piece we could
spread this to a 20 minute scene we're going
to give it to you in 30 seconds yeah yeah um
but as soon as she finishes the sirens begin
wailing ravens start cawing and the darkness
starts spreading so sharon heather needs to run
to get inside and she gets into this decrepit
building and like begins wandering the halls
and she gets into a room full of mannequins and
she like starts hearing footsteps and a woman
crying and this woman is like she's like help
me and she starts becoming a mannequin like right
in front of your eyes i thought that was kind
of cool this is the scene i'm actually like all
right this is cool um because then there's a
second woman who's like trapped in a spider web
and there's like a bunch of mannequin pieces
together at the top of it that form a spider
and while the cgi is terrible I loved the idea
of this. I actually thought this was a great
concept. What did you think of this one? About
the mannequin. The mannequin spider. The mannequin
spider. I thought it was cool. I think my problem
with some of the how the monsters are approached
in this movie is in the games they're all supposed
to be a theme. I think the mannequins aren't
in the original one with the show up later they're
supposed to kind of like be represent like sexuality
or something in the movie it doesn't ever relate
to that i thought visually it looked cool um
i i think the cgi definitely definitely didn't
age that well right uh and it felt like it was
another part of like the let's make it so that
we can do these 3d scenes where it's like crawling
at you and like clawing at you and stuff like
that yeah um But I thought it was pretty cool.
I thought it was going to be a lot bigger villain.
Like it was going to stick around for the rest
of the movie. But again, it's just more of like,
I think going to the games and like being like,
what do we like? Oh, this thing shows up in a
game. Let's throw it in there for 30 seconds.
You know, I agree with that. It was definitely
one of the more interesting like creature things
that they added. Cause up until this point, it's
just been like the stitched faces people. Right.
And you're exactly right. Well, like the games
and stuff like that is especially like the idea
of sexuality and stuff like that. I know in the
second one, it's a lot more of that with like,
but it's, it's populated by the concepts of the
person in there, like their missteps, stuff like
that. Okay. Especially with the second one, the
nurses that we're going to talk about in a little
bit. that was very much a part of the second
one. It related to the character. I never played
the second one. I know the whole storyline of
it because I watched a Let's Play of it. It very
much was a lot more related to the idea of the
character that was traversing through Silent
Hill. It made a lot more sense. the way this
movie was structured was a lot of let's take
this part of this game let's take this part of
this game and let's just throw it all together
and they lose their like significance that way
right because they're all like related to the
character of the game right right in the first
one it's like the character who's like looking
for his wife yeah and then obviously there's
the big spoiler at the end of that one that was
the second one so that was the second one yeah
that's the second one with james okay yeah cool
so like the same thing where like i've i've only
watched my brother's fiance she's into like that
she's into resident evil so like whenever she's
like streaming and playing i'll tune in and watch
yeah so that's like my exposure to it yeah but
i think like it kind of follows the same thing
with like any video games translation to movies
is a lot of times you can't like rip out the
things that make that game good right um and
just apply it to a different like coat of paint
like because there's like very fine line like
it's just a very fine line because you want to
please people with like these moments of like
oh yeah we love this moment but like if it's
not significant to your story that you're telling
you can waste that moment too yeah it's not like
oh this character is being used because they're
scary right like in the game it's like they're
being used because they're scary but they also
have like some deeper meaning to it and if it's
like even if like a casual like fan or like person
exposed to it like me sees that like it's like
when we talked about like the worst movie like
mortal combat the things that i know make it
cool someone else as a casual if even they're
like hmm like i only played you know maybe 30
minutes of the game but i don't see this translating
i think it's the same for like the hardcore so
i just don't know when they introduce some of
these characters and they completely strip like
the the background or the backstory to them who
they're trying to cater to the hardcore or the
casual fan of the of the you know whatever franchise
because it's not hitting the mark for either
you know right and that's a very good point yeah
visually they're cool it's just when you take
out everything else if that's all it is it's
like cool for a little bit right and that's what
i'm saying i like this concept of the mannequin
spider they completely butchered it and the fact
that it was there for 30 seconds i like the idea
of it i think it was a great idea they definitely
butchered it and they had it for 30 seconds and
they tried to make it a gimmick with the 3d and
the demogorgon mouth that just like kind of comes
out and like it was just there to it's kind of
humanish yeah try to stretch that part was fleshy
yeah right And so, like, I love the idea of it,
but it definitely failed. Well, they crawl into
this vent to try to escape, and the one girl
doesn't make it. But luckily, Heather Shannon,
she gets further. She crawls and escapes away.
Claudia's here. Claudia, the mother of Vincent,
that runs everything, that runs the cult, the
Order. Carrie Ann Moss, who's in this. another
person that's like you're in this what are you
doing here is that the um that's the the mom
yes yes okay do you know i don't remember i don't
know who that is like actor wise but i did recognize
the voice of the guy who comes after uh i think
it was his dad or the the grandfather he said
the grandfather yeah because he says my flesh
and blood And I didn't know, like, oh, is he
his dad? Because he seems old and stuff. But
that guy, sorry to jump ahead, too. That guy
having an accent threw me off, too. Because he
has, like, a British accent. Like, he didn't
even try to sound American. He had, like, I don't
know if it's British or just an odd accent. But
I was like, this doesn't, like, sound like Kit
Harington. Like, that would be related. Yeah,
right. Carrie Ann Moss, you don't know who she
is? Uh -uh. Have you heard of a little movie
called The Matrix? Oh, yeah, I have. Okay. Yeah,
she's Trinity in The Matrix. I see. See, I think
I'm not really great at, like, knowing some of
these actors' names. Like, some of them I've
seen so much, which is why it's, like, weird
that Sean Bean sticks, but I think because he
has his gimmick. See, this is the funniest thing,
though, because, like, you're talking about the
grandfather, Malcolm McDowell. He's from the
UK. Like they, they really, all of these actors
and actresses are from the UK or Australia. That's
what I'm saying. They could have just done it
with their regular accents. Just do it. Yeah.
The only one was, I think, I can't remember if
Carrie Ann Moss is from, I think she's the only
American probably actually. And I couldn't be
wrong about that. Yeah. She's from Canada. So
like, yeah, she would have been the only one,
but. i think she can handle it she moved to europe
so she would have been fine she probably could
have pulled it off but yeah yeah sorry you know
what's weird too is mcdowell that guy couldn't
like i was like he sounds familiar i couldn't
think of where i had to look it up after and
he's like done a voice acting for another video
game which is also a popular tv show now fallout
yeah i think he's like the voice of the enclave
which is like a radio champ but that's why i
knew instantly i was like i see he's got a he
didn't change his british accent he's just doing
the same voice and i was like he's related to
kit harrington but kit harrington has to do an
american accent like that's my thing they really
should have just left them to do their accents
like all of them could have done their accents
except for carrie ann moss would have probably
had to put one on but like she's lived in london
for a while i think she could do it yeah i think
she'd be all right So whatever. I don't know.
That doesn't make sense. But yeah. So Claudia,
the big bad of this movie, she runs the order.
She wants to punish Vincent because he kind of
was a traitor on this whole thing because he
wanted to spare Sharon Heather. But at the same
time, he got her to Silent Hill of her own free
will. His punishment is he gets sent to the asylum.
And speaking of the asylum, Sharon Heather climbs
out of the vent. She just happens to be at the
asylum, which is great because that's where she
needs to go to get to Leonard, Malcolm McDowell,
to get to the second part of the seal. She figures
out where he is and everything like that. And
Leonard is like, The cell he is by himself, it's
like this huge circular cell. He's by himself.
He's like chained down in the middle of the cell.
He's blind. He's like obviously has some stitching
around his head and stuff. And like he's in bad
shape. He's kind of creepy. His performance is
okay. yeah i mean he was he hammed it up yeah
he hammed it up i think he i think he knew like
i said the only thing that kind of threw me off
was that accent yeah you find out that he's related
to vincent yeah right unless i guess unless he's
not supposed to be relating he meant like metaphorically
or something i don't know but he was related
right he said he's his grandfather grandfather
yeah he's he's supposed to be his grandfather
he just didn't get i don't know it's just crazy
they didn't clue him into like hey man you're
doing a british accent right everybody in this
movie i think the movie takes place in where
is it vermont or something or west virginia it's
like it feels like it's supposed to be like somewhere
on this area right i actually don't know as if
people actually don't know i don't know i don't
know if they ever like clarified where i mean
it's probably a fictional right I mean, because
Silent Hill is made by Japanese people, so I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know if they necessarily
have a spot where Silent Hill is. I always thought
it was supposed to be around Seattle area, where
it's constantly raining and stuff. But I really
don't know, actually. That could be a good point,
too. Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know.
It could be anywhere. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know. But yeah, so she's looking for the second
piece. He doesn't know what he's looking at because
he's blind. So she puts it in his hands so he
can see. And he just jabs it inside his gut so
that it can be where the other one is. So now
he has the full seal inside him. And he just
becomes like... This mummy looking thing, like
he just starts getting wrapped up in like this
white gunk. I don't know. It's weird. It's a
weird look. She pulls out a gun and starts shooting
at him and nails every shot, by the way. Remember
how we were saying she's a good shot. Yeah. He
like is able to break through the chain, grabs
her, breaks through the door. She no longer has
any bullets. But as she's being carried off,
he just has this big glowing weak spot where
the seal is. Yeah. She's just able to reach in,
grab it, and pull it out. And it explodes. And
he just disintegrates into nothing. Yeah. A very
video game -esque to be like, oh, just pull this
thing out. And then now it's complete, right?
It's like a key thing. It's like, oh, now the
other side's on it or something. She now has
the seal of Metatron. Yeah. Yeah, the seal of
Metatron. Yeah, which, I mean, I know that's
probably what it's called in the games, but it's
just such a funny name. It's such a dumb name.
Because it's one letter off of Megatron. Megatron,
yep. It's such a dumb name. It's definitely like
video game named. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she's
like trying to get out of the asylum now with
the seal and she sees them wheel Vincent in and
they wheel Vincent into where all the nurse creatures
are. The nurse creatures are definitely a part
of the second game. Basically, if you move too
violently, they, can pick up on your location
and they just start attacking you with like syringes
and knives and stuff um so vincent is like staying
completely still and sharon sneaks over next
to him and like it's just asking where to find
her dad um he's just like you need to go to the
sanctuary under the amusement park which was
in her dreams and he is like but you need my
help you need my help So she tries to help him
get out of there. There's a whole scene where
they like kick over the gurney and they like
blocking from the nurses and they're like jabbing.
It's very 3D -esque. 3D for you. Yeah. But that
is also part of the game was, did you hear the
groaning noises? No, I didn't. they were literally
like sex moaning oh yeah yeah you're right oh
you're right you're right that's okay i i was
like groaning you're right i you know what's
funny is when that part came on i was like i
wonder like if anybody just walking by would
even know when i'm watching because i was like
for a second i'm like am i starting to like hallucinate
and imagine that these characters were just straight
like moaning or were they like i don't know i
don't know like i just i felt like i was entering
psychosis but that makes sense um again it was
like the whole part where like you can't they
can't hear it's like i feel like that part is
cool in the game because it serves like a mechanic
of like being stealthy but in a movie where like
these things are already like how like how is
she not dead yet like it's just like oh so now
these things they can't see her they can only
track the the sound and and all that and it's
i don't know it's like why is everything else
everything's got a weakness so far right you
know what i mean considering that these are like
demons or whatever but yeah the moaning thing
was uh it was like i heard it i kind of caught
on to it when like they're the scene it was exiting
the scene i think yeah i don't i don't oh it
was it was like intense at the end of the scene
like it was yeah it was a little bit in the beginning
and then you didn't notice it yet yeah it got
ramped to 11 by the end of it like it was it
was way too much and like this was the part where
i'm like i'm kind of glad i stopped watching
last night because then at like midnight claire
would have been up upstairs asleep and she all
of a sudden would have just started hearing that
and i would have been like I swear it's part
of the movie. I swear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
About that. Yeah. I watched it today at night.
I would have felt like, Oh, not that like my
neighbors probably would hear me, but just, you
know, just in case I think you instantly think,
what would somebody think if they heard me right
now? Cause it just, it just got really loud at
the end. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was ramped up. Definitely.
And again, it's one of those things like in the
game completely makes sense here. Yeah. It was
just out of nowhere and not a context. And it
was like, yeah, if you would have taken time
and addressed it, maybe you could have made it
make sense. It made no sense here. Just didn't.
So, yeah. So they go to the amusement park now.
Just get over to the amusement park. And as soon
as they get there, the lights turn on. It's obvious
they know that they are there. And these soldiers
start following them. They wear, like, gas masks.
They're called the Brethren. And they do that
because they don't want to breathe the air because
they believe it would corrupt them. Yet Sharon
and Vincent can just breathe it fine. They get
to where her dream started at the beginning of
the movie. And Vincent's like, okay, I'm going
to sacrifice myself for you so that you can get
there and you can save your father. And kisses
her and runs off. Because of course he does.
yeah the kiss was like you knew it was coming
but you i don't think they like had worked up
for that to be logical did not earn it did not
no so they start chasing after him and she's
like realizing this is where my dream was so
now she goes to the carousel the pyramid head
starts cranking the wheel and the carousel starts
going around and starts to lower to the sanctuary
And this is where we see Alessa. But Alessa is
teen Alessa. And we're back to where the dream
was. At this point, I still feel like this hasn't,
like, like, whatever they thought the payoff
was for, like, working their way back into, like,
this dream. It's like, just felt like, oh, well,
this is where you knew the movie was going to
go. Right. Like, that this was going to be mirrored
later on. Yep. All right. So we're on the carousel.
It's going down into the sanctuary. We see teen
Alessa. So Alessa is like starting to destroy
Sharon, but Sharon, like she's, she's like, like
Alessa is just kind of like, I'm going to destroy
you. You shouldn't have come back. I'm going
to destroy you. But Sharon's like, no, I'm going
to destroy you. And like hugs her. and like brings
her into her body so like sharon heather is the
one who brings alessa into her so like alessa
just like or sharon just kind of like adopts
all that rage into her so that's kind of like
the idea i got from it so like alessa is part
of her now So she's the child that was born.
Even though she was, she's an orphan child. You
know what I'm kind of saying? No. Okay. All right.
That's fair. So there are two. I don't know if
it. Yeah. Break it down for me because I don't
think it's your explanation. I just think it's
the leaps they expect you to take to get there.
Yeah, okay. That's fair. So there's two different
kids that were born. There was Alessa and then
there was Sharon. And they are two different
kids. Okay. Sharon was an orphan. Alessa was
born to this woman in Silent Hill. alessa was
burned at the stake but she didn't die she was
filled with rage but she still had this one innocent
part of her so she put it into sharon okay sharon
now was like okay i feel your pain i'm gonna
absorb your rage into me so now alessa is like
no longer but she exists in sharon so they're
both one now they're both one now so sharon is
the vessel that is awaiting the god it's still
confusing don't get me wrong like i'm still like
that was the weirdest shit i just had to explain
well i think it's like and i Again, maybe within
the games, there's some context as to why this
matters, but why she picked Sharon to be the
vessel. I think it was just there was a kid on
a Tuesday. Yeah, because if they were twins or
related or something, the whole time I think,
well, was she her reincarnation then? Was she
related to her? but i again i think this is like
this was like a plot that they were like oh that
sounds kind of like the the games yeah i think
i really do i think it was just uh yeah yeah
they definitely didn't explain it in this movie
that that is for damn sure um if there was a
reasoning they did not explain it in this movie
yeah and then like why the god wants to like
destroy her it's just like a whole other thing
that you have to like if these things were meant
to be tied together they did a really bad job
of like tying that well i don't think that god
wants to destroy her i think the god is just
a vessel that wants to destroy the world like
spread the darkness throughout i see and so this
aless is just kind of like the opposing i guess
side of it Well, I think Alessa, so there was
that one scene where Vincent was, like, where
Sharon says, how could you grow up like this?
And Vincent's just like, this is the only thing
I've ever known. And I think that's what Alessa
is. Like, this is all I've ever known kind of
thing. Not necessarily, like, I want to do this
because I'm evil. It was just like, I just, this
is all I've ever known. Yeah. who knows i mean
again we're we're putting way more thought into
this movie than the writers of this movie put
into this movie yeah you know yeah i feel like
i'm gonna have to even after this look up like
synopsis of like the games to just like see if
the games released up until this point to see
what they were pulling from because it seems
like they pulled from a lot of different things
and i think that might confuse you more I really
do. I think they just they pieced it together
and made their own movie based on what they wanted.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably right. It probably
wasn't this thought out thing of like, well,
at least now movies when they try to translate
that, I think they try to at least take a look
at like more of the source material. Right. You
know what I mean? Like, I think maybe they found.
I don't know if they worked with one of the artists
who designed the creatures and stuff like that.
I would imagine maybe they do that so that people
are like, oh, this movie has credibility. And
then when they see that, it doesn't really make
sense. It doesn't really matter at that point
if it follows much. Well, I think now what they're
doing a little more is they're going, hey, instead
of just trying to take the best bits of video
games from the whole series, let's try to tell
one story. And then if it works, then we can
tell another story and another story and just
kind of keep a little more like that. Whereas
this one specifically, they definitely just said
bits of all the series. Let's just put them in
and who cares if it makes sense. I don't know.
It works when you just like tell one story and
see if people like it or not. That's why. some
of these things are working. That's why, I mean,
my, my go -to example right now is super Mario
bros. They just tried to tell one story, you
know? Yeah. And now they're going galaxy. I mean,
yeah, they brought in like donkey Kong and stuff
like that. I will say that, but they kept it
to one narrative. They didn't just all of a sudden
say, cool. We like Bowser, but we're also going
to include Wario Waluigi. you know like that
kind of you have to give people time to like
get their feet into that universe too which is
like it you have to i have to suspend my disbelief
a lot with this movie or these movies and it's
like if you're having me just like okay sure
every every time something happens like all right
yeah okay i got it it's like yep and i think
the crazy thing is that i don't think this movie
was they were able to save it because it's like
just like writing it feels like there wasn't
like a lot of revision that went into the writing
uh but i think giving it more than an hour and
a half runtime would have helped it i think so
too i think i think because they just the worst
parts are when you're trying to understand all
this like lore yeah and you're just like forced
to accept it because like you said there's spoon
feeding and then there's also like the just jamming
it down your throat being like all right next
scene yeah And it's tough with something like
Silent Hill, too, because you have to explain
what Silent Hill is while also trying to create
a narrative around Silent Hill. You know, so
there's a lot going on. Yeah. Well, so Alessa
has been absorbed. So now it's only Sharon left.
She's gotten into the sanctuary and Claudia is
very happy to see that it's Sharon. She has defeated
Alessa. She's rejoined the seal. And so. Sharon
Heather Alessa. Whatever we want to call her.
They're all one now. They're all one now. Now
she's got a third name. She wants to see her
father freed. She's like, I'll help you, but
I want to see my father freed. And Claudia's
like, nah. I'm going to feed his blood to you.
There's some cannibalism, I guess. Yeah. Just
more shock. Well, this is to make her the vessel.
This is to, I don't know, get her strength up,
maybe? Yeah. But Claudia needs the seal to summon
the god. She says banish the darkness, but I
still don't believe that. It's not to banish
the darkness. It's to make everything dark, is
what I thought it was. I don't know. But when
she hands the seal to Claudia, Claudia becomes
the knife demon. And the knife demon goes to
attack Sharon. But remember, what we said before
is that Pyramid Head is the protector and executioner
of the god. Yeah. Protector was an important
part of it. So Pyramid Head comes to defend her.
The big old sword swings up and defends knife
from knife demon. Yep. We get big monster fight,
not super big monster, but we get monster fight.
I guess we get monster fight. Yay. Monster fight.
That's the only payoff. I feel like for me, the
only part where I was like, all right, I guess
it pays off that I've been creeped out and that,
you know, I, recognize like this character from
the game right uh sharon and vincent are able
to free harry but like it's slow pyramid head
versus fast knife demon like how is this gonna
go yeah uh knife demon gets some licks in just
but pyramid head is able to like knock knife
demon down get one fell swoop cuts off knife
demon's head There we go. Winner, winner. Fades
to a white screen and our trio is walking away.
The ashes stopped in Silent Hill. Happy ending,
right? Right? Sorry, I had to get water for my
dog. Yeah, I don't know if it was a happy ending.
Like it just happened so quickly after this,
right? The, I think we have to address the fact
that Sean being, I guess your prediction on Sean
being and whether, whether I feel like a solid
prediction could be made, you know what I mean?
Even by the end of it, because I thought that
he's like, I don't know if you want to go on
before I say, no, go ahead. He says, I'm going
to stay in silent Hill, which I'm like, sure.
This feels like maybe, I don't know if it was
to get a sequel or something down the road, but
I'm like, if you think he like survives, does
this mean he's just going to die? Cause can he
really, you know, make it out? He's a normal
human being. Like he's not a vessel for a God.
He's just a normal guy. Like I thought this movie
would address at some point, like he was a secret
agent or something like that. Government official.
Like he has all these tricks and everything like
that. No, he's a normal guy. Why does he continue
to be involved in this? Right. So he wants to
stay to find Rose, his wife, who's somewhere
in Silent Hill. So he just walks back into the
fog of Silent Hill and the fog disappears with
him. And then Vincent and Sharon walk the other
way. Like, what? Why? They just spent all movie
trying to save you. And you're like, I want to
find my wife. Haven't seen her in years. You're
safe now. It's fine. So is that supposed to be
like, I mean, I know the plot is different. I
mean, maybe his wife, his wife is like, yeah,
possibly. Yeah, possibly. They kind of try to
tie it to the second one. Cause like you play
a character looking for his wife, or at least
make you think like, Oh, maybe that's similar
to what they're going to do. That would make
sense. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, probably. But it's
just like, yeah, you said they spent the whole
time trying to rescue him for him to be like,
you know, I've been telling you not to go to
Silent Hill, but I think I'm going to hang out
here. Like she clearly cares about her. She clearly
cares about him, but he's going to like legitimately,
though, like it. Dad, I don't want you to go.
Please, please come back with me. Nah. Yeah.
Pussy. I'm chilling. Yeah, I'm chilling at Silent
Hill. Yeah, like I haven't had sex in a while.
yeah yeah i it was they definitely didn't know
how to tie it all together at the end that was
like just not not sticking the landing at all
right because even with yeah i don't know and
they definitely sequel baited with that and then
the ending too so like the ending uh vincent
sharon heather alissa alessa um yeah They hitchhike
and get on a truck, and as they get in the truck,
they pass a sign that says, you're now leaving
Silent Hill, and the fog disappears. But then
this police cruiser with this police bus go back
this way, and the camera fades and turns around
and says, you're entering Silent Hill, and it
goes straight into fog. I'm like, okay, cool
idea, but you're definitely sequel baiting. It's
1 ,000 % trying to get. okay we'll see you next
time which is like why i didn't even bother to
look up like if there was a sequel to this i'm
sure there probably was after i'm sure it was
yeah i again i don't think there was another
sean bean one yeah i hate when movies end just
right after like they're done basically telling
you like the story right like i do like a little
bit of follow -up and this just like you said
just you end with sean bean staying there then
yeah they hitchhike on that that truck right
um and then it's just like okay we show the sign
and then like yeah you're now entering didn't
really like i don't know it it just felt like
okay we just blazed it felt like a ride it felt
like a theme park ride yeah you know what i mean
we're like if you go on the mummy ride at universal
like you see all these things that are references
to the movies but there's no like actual plot
like right this is just a plot just have the
bare minimum of a plot and tell you all these
things that later on you can't remember and it's
don't have any meaning but right that's what
it felt like to me like a ride i'm with you on
that half ride that sometimes felt too long and
also too short right Like, I don't know. You've
seen a lot more bad movies than me. So you probably
have had that where you feel like you're like,
this movie feels like it's been, it never ends.
It's never going to end. But it also feels like
I just, I blinked and the movie was over. Right.
Well, and that's the thing is it's very weird
in the fact that like, yeah, it is kind of strange
how it could feel too long and too short. Because
you're exactly right in that fact that it is
definitely too long and too short. I don't want
to give this movie 15 more minutes, but I kind
of do. In the fact that it probably does need
more time to develop some of these ideas. Yeah.
It felt like it was too short for what it wanted
to do. Right. Which is like familiarize you with
these like plot devices and characters and stuff.
Yeah. But it was too long for how it approached
it because like, even though there was something
always going on, it was like very hard to focus.
Right. You know what I mean? Right. And I guess
that's where like, I guess that's where I don't
know, like this movie, how it. how most people
would react because I think most people probably
wouldn't see it as negatively as I do but I guess
I'm not like a super like you know like I think
I know what I'm talking about with movies I'm
entertained by dumb fun movies too oh same but
this wasn't that right no it definitely was dumb
but not fun like yeah this did not fall in the
dumb fun category for sure There was some scenes
that definitely could have done better. I think
if they gave more love to the source material,
I think that's my thing that would have made
this better. I think they took from the source
material, but just took. It was no, okay, we're
just going to take this because we love this
part of it, but we don't want to give any credit
to it. That's my main issue with this movie.
Some of the stuff was just stupid in the fact
that he has the seal just glowing in his chest.
It works in a video game because yes, you need
those weak points and stuff like that, but you
can also... drag out a boss fight and like that
glowing weak point only appears in certain times
you know yeah um in a movie it's like you can't
have that going on forever you can't do a boss
fight forever so it looks dumb when there's just
a glowing weak point and this person's being
carried and they can literally just yoink here
we go i'm like Was she like locked in the room
with him or something? Cause she couldn't escape.
Right. Right. She was against the wall. Yeah.
So the only two reasons he's two purposes he
served basically was to one now complete this
key item that is needed to move the plot along.
And then the other thing is to break out of the
room. Right. Cause he like, he's carrying her
when he breaks them out of the room. So you're
just moving them out of the room and you're just
making this item now that was once. And he just
revealed. i guess uh you know information about
his relation to like vincent and all that right
but other than that like it was just like another
if they cut that part of the movie out i wonder
how much stronger they could have made other
parts of it you know right yeah oh there's definitely
some parts like um i'm trying to think of a scene
that we just did not need and i mean even like
the nurse scene where like it's just serves the
purpose of one once again like russian seeing
these like creatures from the game and then just
having vincent be locked up and so that she has
to like rescue him but like there's very i think
you there's very few scenes that you probably
have to keep you know what i mean yeah i could
have gotten rid of that whole thing um you could
have just had vincent be really you could have
killed him at that point honestly i know you
wouldn't know because he was a love interest
and everything like that But at that point, he
served no other purpose except just to tell you
to get to the sanctuary under the amusement park.
And the way she kept stumbling into things, like,
she got into the vent and ended up at the asylum.
You know? And we all went, okay, she's at the
asylum now. Like, yeah, it wasn't great. But
she kept getting to places like that. And it
was just like, okay, cool, you ended up there.
Fine. I think with a video game, you move players
along those places in a way that makes a lot
more sense. You know what I mean? Or like you
have a cut scene or something like that. But
with a movie, it's like you don't want to show
them driving every time from setting to setting.
And so that's why I think, yeah, like even when
the PI is following her and stuff, like you go
through all these different settings that feel
like completely different movies at this point.
Especially because a lot of it is CGI and it
hasn't aged the best. Right. I agree with that.
All right. Out of five, what are you giving this
thing? Oh, man. I'm an asshole, I guess. I would
say it's like a one. That's not an asshole. People
have given movies much worse. Out of five, it's
one. one talisman keys of metatrons out of five
keys of metatron i don't even know what it was
anymore seal of metatron but yeah close enough
yeah yeah that's it's close enough that's that's
good it's mcguffin mcguffin of metatron one mcguffin
out of five mcguffins yeah um okay if i was comparing
this to a good movie i probably would be around
that one Comparing it to the bad movies I've
seen, it's a two out of five. Two out of five.
I was going to use Metatron. Damn. Two out of
five. I got to think of something now. Two out
of five cannibal scenes that didn't need to be
in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. So two out of five.
Like I said, it's just a lot of this movie did
not need to happen. um it needed more love to
the source material and then i i really really
wish i don't like mannequins so i don't get creeped
like i don't get oh i get creeped out by them
but i don't get scared of them so like the mannequin
spider was a good thing for me um because that
had a little more tension for me i just wish
they would have stayed longer on that but i like
the concept of it so that's that was that was
one of those ones where i'm like sitting there
going i like this this is good I want this good
silhouette. Yeah. That's the, that's the thing.
Yeah. So like that, that was the one where I
was just like, yes, I'm here for this. I wish
they would have spent more time with it, but
you know, I was here for that. Story was confusing.
Vincent sucks. Yeah. But yeah, I was. Yeah. Yeah.
And Sean Bean didn't die. So. Yeah. That was
what she wanted. If you wanted Sean Bean to die,
you probably are going to be disappointed. If
you didn't want Sean Bean to die, you might be
happy. I was okay with Sean Bean not dying. I
was a little disappointed he wasn't like a government
agent or something that like end of the movie,
all of a sudden started getting all action packed
and pew, pew, pew. Yeah, he was just helpless
dad. Yeah, he was helpless dad, which was a weird
role to see him in. But yeah. He protected her
and then he went back to Silent Hill. Yeah. Great
protective dad. Two out of five. That means that's
pretty bearable though. That I might watch on
a flight. You know what I mean? I'm flying from
here to Florida. Gotta fly for an hour and a
half and that movie's on. I might throw it on.
I could watch this again compared to some of
the other shit I've sat through. Yeah. But the
shitty part is I think some of the shit you've
seen. they were trying to be bad or knew they
were bad this was i think they thought they were
kind of being good i think that i don't think
that they were being full -blown insulting to
to the viewer i think they were trying yeah just
like i think they just were like i don't i think
at this point they didn't know how much viewers
are willing to like just kind of digest if you
show them and kind of move them through the plot
right versus just tell them a bunch of stuff
and show them the characters and things they
want to see. And they'll be happy. I think at
this point, we know that that's not enough with
like translating media, but right. Yeah. I'm
looking at my list here and I definitely have
it above alone in the dark. That's for sure.
That movie was terrible. Like comparing it to
other video game movies. Trying to think what
other video game movies we've covered. I'm putting
it above. Is it better than the old Street Fighter
movie? Like that's bad where it's good. I think
I like the old Street Fighter movie better, but
I haven't watched that in a very long time. Or
the original or the Mario, the 90s Mario movie.
I love the 90s Mario movie. So I actually think
I'll have a hard time saying it's better than
that. I have not covered a lot of video game
movies on here. It's definitely better than Alone
in the Dark. Not better than Annihilation. Not
better than Annihilation. I will defend Annihilation
until the day I die. Better than Borderlands,
barely, but better. That's a good point, because
I know that one was really bad. I haven't seen
that, and I actually have played Borderlands,
but I knew it was bad from the jump, and I heard
it was bad. I heard it wasn't even fun bad. I'm
a bad judge for that one because I never played
Borderlands. I have this two above Borderlands.
Like all time list for movies I've covered on
this thing. Two above Borderlands? That might
be fair. I haven't seen Borderlands. I'll have
to watch and get back to you. I watched Borderlands
but I never played Borderlands so I'm an unfair
judge of it because I don't have a love for the
IP. I went in just completely blind and was like
okay. I have it 22nd on my list of bad movies
I've seen for this podcast. 22nd of all time?
Yeah. How many is on the list? I have... Stand
by. 62 films. Oh, so it's in the upper 30th percentile
or something? Yeah, something like that. It is
right below Avengers Grimm, but right above The
Haunting 1999. oh man okay 20 yeah i mean that
sounds about if i in my head if i was thinking
about all the bad movies ever it's probably not
like the worst worst but it's it's pretty bad
it's it's yeah it's um and i think the fact that
it's just not enjoyable is like what because
like even the ones we were talking about are
naming those are at least enjoyable bad you know
right um Or even some comic book or superhero
like the original Spawn. Yeah, right. I enjoy
Spawn. It's not great, but I do enjoy it. That's
bad, but it's still fun. Yeah, right. I don't
know what happened with it. Yeah. It took itself
too serious at times, I guess. My number one
is still The Mousetrap, so take with that what
you will. I have not seen that. Oh, that one
was great. It's ridiculous, but it was great.
I had a very good time with that one. It's terrible,
but I had a great time with it. So, yeah. Oh,
that's the one that came out. I had a feeling
this is what you're talking about. Yep. Yep,
exactly. That probably would be bad, though.
But again, those I think they know they're going
to be bad. Oh, yeah. It was terrible. This used
a budget of $20 million or whatever. Yeah. Was
that the budget? $20 million? This one, yes.
That's a lot of money for this to be the result.
A lot of it probably went to getting the IP for
it. That makes sense. Thank you for joining me,
buddy. I appreciate it. I wish I had more wisdom
as far as the movie, but I'm glad to know that
I'm not the only one who was kind of confused
on it. Oh, I think a lot of people were going
to be confused that watch this thing. Yeah. And
I'm going to try to look up a video after this,
probably just to see what, what I love trying
to at least understand, you know, like, okay,
what were the themes and stuff like that? But
I don't, I don't think that was, I don't think
it was a you thing. Yeah. I don't think it was
a you thing. Yeah. But that'll do it for this
episode of Game for a Movie where we ask, are
you game for a movie? For Sergio and me, Mike,
we will see you next time on the Game for a Movie
podcast. Bye. Bye.