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That sound is definitely not a Coors Light being

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opened. That is the sound of a good beer and

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a good podcast. Really? Welcome to Game for a

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Movie, guys. The power of audio. The power of

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audio. You can't tell what it is. It's definitely

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not a Coors Light, though. Definitely not, no.

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Because we are craft beer drinkers. I am your

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host, Mike. I am joined by... Andre. Mitchell.

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Welcome. Everybody? Yeah. We are drinking. Yeah,

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what are you drinking over here? I am drinking

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a Harpoon IPA. Why like carpet? Actually, you

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are. I am actually drinking. I have a Coors Light

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open so I can just like double fist it. Oh, right.

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I'm sure those go great together. I'm sure they

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do not. Oh my God. It's just a watered down Harpoon.

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Indeed it is. Yeah, you're right. Andre, what

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are you drinking? I am also drinking a Harpoon,

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some Hootie Tootie Craft IPA, and then Claire

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told me that I needed to - Hootie Tootie? Hootie

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Tootie. I've heard hoity -toity. Hoity -toity,

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hooty -tooty. Hooty -tooty? Yeah. Okay. Is that

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the same thing? Yeah. Are you mispronouncing

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this beer? Maybe. I don't know. There is hooty.

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You pronounce Kerslite. Kerslite, hooty -tooty,

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hooty -toity. Mitchell, what are you drinking

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over there? I got Jungle Crush by our friends

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from City Steam Brewery. What is City Steam?

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Yeah, so it's a fruitier IPA, and I actually

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like that. So I am just having a good old time

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over there. There we go. Fantastic. If it's not

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me biting into a hop, that taste, I don't want

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it. Oh, you just want to drink pine cones? I

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just want, no, I want like a hop in my hand.

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Just grab a bite. Really get your taste buds

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going. We are missing a member. Our most popular

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member. Oh, by far. Dude, yeah, right. This is

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terrible for our social media outreach right

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now, honestly. How the hell is T -Dog our most

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popular member? I think it's because... I agree.

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He's likable, and also he's not on every episode,

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right? So it's kind of like you know. It's applying

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to me. Right, right, right. He's like the cameo

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guy. He's like you're waiting for that crossover

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episode. T -Dog's that crossover episode. So

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I'll never be the favorite, huh? No, unfortunately

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not. It's like in The League where Taco was my

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favorite character, and he would have, or like

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in The Office, Creed is maybe my second favorite

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character, and he has like five lines in an episode.

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You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's

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play our favorite game. Where is T -Dog? Oh,

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shit. That was him bumping underneath the table.

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I was trying to do a drumroll. Is he haunting

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this apartment? He is. He haunts my dreams. He

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really does. I have a theory about where he is.

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Okay. He got transformed into a cat. Oh, okay.

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And is the winner that goes to the heaven side

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lair. Oh, spoilers. Dude, what the fuck? I was

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going to watch that movie. Let me tell you right

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now, no, you weren't. You're right, you're right.

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We've got more on that movie later. That is the

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bad movie that I had to see for this lovely podcast

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of ours. Damn it, Tom Hooper. If I knew I was

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going to have to see Cats, we would not have

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this podcast. Yeah, sure enough. My theory on

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where T -Dog is is that he is now a dilapidated

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dwarf skeleton in the depths of the Mines of

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Moria. That is Aussie specific and I feel like

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it alludes to something. You know, I might have

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just been boning up on my fantasy. I don't know.

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Just for no apparent reason whatsoever. Okay.

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Boning up on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyways,

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that's where he is. Got it. Just dead. And Mitchell,

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do you have a theory? Yeah, I've been reading

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T -Dog's blog, and it turns out he's in his third

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week of getting through The Irishman. So he's

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still finishing that. He actually wants to contribute

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to this podcast. You know, like, you can only

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take it in five -minute chunks. So I get how

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it's taken him so long. Oh, poor T -Dog. But

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he's getting through it, you know? Slowly but

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surely. Hey, good for him. Hop is still around,

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so he still has some ways to go. Right, right,

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right. Oof, wow, yeah. We've got some lovely

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movies to talk about this podcast. Are they lovely?

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Some of them. Yeah. More than others. I will

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be talking about Cats at the end, but I did see

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another movie I just want to talk about as a

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genre whole. Yes. Because I had some very strong

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opinions about this genre versus the... movie

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I saw itself. So, I will start with that, then

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we'll go to Andre Mitchell, and then close with

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Cats. Yes. Stick around, because you won't regret

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it. I know you did. I definitely did. The movie

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I have to talk about first is The Gentleman.

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Yes. The Gentleman is a gangster comedy. written

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by Guy Ritchie and directed by Guy Ritchie. I

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was going to say. It has Matthew McConaughey

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and what's his name? It has Michelle Dockery.

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Yes. It has Henry Golding. He is, besides Brad

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Pitt, my man crush. He is very attractive. Yes,

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he is. Yes. And they also have Charlie Hunnam.

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Yes. And Jeremy Strong and Colin Farrell. Those

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are the big names that I wanted to get out there.

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A lot of talented folks. A lot of talented folks.

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Oh, and Hugh Grant. Oh, whoa. Is he a smaller

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role? No, he is a big role. Oh, okay, cool. So,

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basic story. Matthew McConaughey owns the Weed

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Empire in London, and he's trying to get out

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of it and retire. He has a potential buyer lined

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up, and... Hugh Grant's character goes to Charlie

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Hunnam to warn him that, like, hey, I've got

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this story. We're going to take him down. You

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should get out now. Because I don't know what

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their relationship is. Is weed illegal in the

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UK? Yes. I guess. Okay. That's my number one

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question. Yes. It is illegal. Gotcha. Okay. It

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does take place today, so... So I'm assuming

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it's still illegal. Yeah, it's still illegal,

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I'm guessing. Yeah. I feel that. Somebody asked

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me because their costumes are a little older

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looking if it took place in a different time

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period. But no, they all have cell phones. There's

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a big side plot where they accidentally kill

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somebody and these kids take pictures of it.

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And they're like, we can't get busted with this.

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We need the cell phones. Gotcha. So we're playing

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with modern technology. Yes. So here's my problem

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with the gangster comedy. I don't get how it

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gives a writer... carte blanche to just be racist

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homophobic interesting because like i i don't

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care if it's like a it's fast talking that kind

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of stuff even if it's just kind of jokes here

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or there yeah but it's just sometimes just mean

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intent like the guy calls the guy a black cunt

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damn like it's you know and um the one line that

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stuck with me about uh henry golden is They were

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talking about him. His name is Dry Eye. That's

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his nickname in the movie. And it's totally shot

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at his eyes because he is Asian. And there's

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a line where literally they say, I don't care

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if the fuckers Japanese, Cantonese, Pekingese,

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just get them fucking here. And you know, it's

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just, it's like. It rubs you the wrong way. It

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does. Yeah. Interesting. I did not expect that,

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I guess. Who was delivering those lines? Is that

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McConaughey, or is it just whoever? That was

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a henchman. Okay. Like, white henchman, like,

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stereotypical. So, a guy you're supposed to hate?

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Like, you know, like, you're supposed to hate

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this character anyway? No, he's not. He's just

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a side character. Gotcha. You know, he's not,

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like, a hateable guy. Yeah. It's just kind of

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one of those side characters, you know? I see.

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I see. And it's... I don't know. What I don't

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like about this is, in this genre, I feel like

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they always have to go racist, homophobic dialogue.

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Right. And also, usually, a little bit sexist

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as well. That's the one thing this movie didn't

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do. That is a weird choice. Okay. Right. I don't

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know. It's called The Gentleman, so yes, it is

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about the gentleman. But at the same time, Michelle

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Dockery's character is the wife of Matthew McConaughey.

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And whenever he has a decision to make, they're

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always consorting with each other. They're always

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talking. She runs her own business, but she also

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is a part of his. And it's one of those things

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where it's not like it's a, hey, listen here,

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this is what I'm going to do because I'm the

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man. It's, what do you think I should do? You

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know, like that kind of stuff. Gotcha. And so

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it's a little more... It's not as sexist. It's

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hashtag woke, but only for gender. For gender,

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exactly. Everything else is like, yeah. I feel

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like Guy Ritchie had a lot of pent -up racism

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to get out when he was making Aladdin. Oh, my

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God. After Aladdin made a billion dollars, he's

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just like, you know what I should do. You know

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what I need to do. While I have this good karma,

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I'm going to go the exact opposite. You need

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to neutralize this out. That's interesting, huh?

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Because I wouldn't necessarily think you as kind

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of like an overly PC kind of person, right? Right.

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So the fact that you're coming back with this

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movie, the fact that you were kind of like cringing

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at it, that's... I just don't care for it in

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the genre as a whole. Like, I like a good shoot

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-em -up or, like, you know, that kind of stuff

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where people are just like, oh, I talked to Billy

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and he did this and blah, blah, blah, and, like,

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that kind of stuff. And, like, you know, it's...

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I want to see that movie. Yeah. But, you know,

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like, it's told as a story to Charlie Hunnam,

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like, hey, this is what I found out. Here's the

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information. And then it kind of, like, retells

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it. Got it. You know what I mean? Like, there's

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even a part where he makes a script. for them

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to read together about a situation, you know?

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Oh, okay. Got it. So it's the characters, Henry

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Golden and Jeremy Strong, are having a conversation,

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and they're recreating it. It's Hugh Grant's

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voice and Charlie Hunnam's voice doing the parts

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for them. Gotcha. It's kind of like the... Carlos

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Pena, or Carlos Pena. I don't know who I'm forgetting

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the actor's name. Michael Pena? Michael Pena,

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thank you. Carlos Pena was a baseball player.

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Yes, he was. Michael Pena in Ant -Man. Yes, exactly.

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Are you talking like that kind of trope? Okay,

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gotcha, gotcha. I mean, like, it works. That

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was one of my favorite scenes, actually. Oh,

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those are fun. It's drunk history. Exactly. It's

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great. And, like, it was, it's... because Hugh

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Grant goes all out about it, like, no, no, no,

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you've got to actually put some emphasis into

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it, have some emotion, like, you know, that kind

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of stuff. Because he originally just reads it

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like, yeah, the meeting went poorly. No, no,

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no, no, no, do it again. You know, like that

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kind of stuff. So it was kind of fun, but overall,

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gentlemen, two out of five. Wow, okay. Machine

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guns, and not because of the movie itself, it

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was fine, it's just I feel dirty after watching

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it. Gotcha, gotcha. Wow, surprising. It's not

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a lot of it. It's actually on the tamer side

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for that. Sure, but it just looked a bad taste

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in your mouth. Yeah, it did. Guy Ritchie's so

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hit or miss with me. He really is. I enjoyed

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Aladdin, but I would not call it... great movie

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no i don't know he would either like i mean i

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feel like it was just doing what it was meant

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to do i suppose but yeah he recreated it slightly

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like it's a little different but it's like they

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made that movie yeah yeah i think that's one

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of those movies though there's a lot of notes

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from the studio like you're totally making it

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on someone else's terms you know what i mean

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this one definitely he's free yeah he's producer

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writer guy richie unchained yeah exactly man

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But I will say this. I enjoyed The Man From U

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.N .C .L .E. from a couple years ago. I think

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it's under a scene. I think it's a funny buddy

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cop type movie. Yeah. Obviously based on like

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a spy show from the 60s. And it's this fun IP

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to play with. And then Snatch, which has a lot

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of racist and sexist things in it. Brad Pitt

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is in it, though. It's another movie like Snatch.

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Yeah. Where it can be done well, but it is, again,

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you feel dirty at the end of it. Right. In Snatch,

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I feel they really put you in this world. and

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it's so, it feels authentic, which might be the

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difference here. I'm not sure if Matthew McConaughey,

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is he putting on a British accent here? No. Oh,

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no. He's totally supposed to be American. He

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just sucks up to lords and ladies. Like, he's

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just that guy. Oh, I guess Brad Pitt is American,

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too. He's just doing a gypsy accent. But anyway,

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it's crazy. Yeah. So anyway, Guy Ritchie, hit

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him this guy. Yeah. At least by my standards.

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I will say, it is very not, like, long, drawn

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-out Texas drawl with McConaughey. It's not his

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normal accent. But, you know, it's American.

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You can tell it's American. I see. Okay. So,

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Andre, you saw a movie at some point. I did.

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I am so bad at watching new movies. All I do

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is watch old ones. And I am, I guess I'm two

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-thirds of the way through my watch of the Lord

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of the Rings trilogy, extended edition, with

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my lovely girlfriend, Jill. Yeah. Dude. Dude,

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it's... Okay, so I guess context. This is the

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first time sitting down and watching all three

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of these movies sequentially extended basically

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ever. Okay. Obviously... You didn't see these

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as a kid. So, okay, I did. I watched... Let's

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see. I watched The Return of the Kings in theaters

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when it came out. You just skipped to the end.

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No, no, no. So it's tough, right? Because when

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that came out, I was like nine. And I kind of,

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I think at that point we had the first, we had

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The Fellowship of the Ring on DVD or whatever.

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Yeah, it was DVD. And I watched that. I did not

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watch Two Towers. I know that for a fact. And

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then I watched Return of the King in theaters

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because I was like literally like, oh, we're

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about to go to this movie. Like we're going to

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go to the movie theaters to see this. I guess

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I'll watch, you know. The biggest movie of that

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year. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then, obviously,

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being, like, I mean, you absorb a lot of the

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overall plot, the clip notes from cultural osmosis.

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Yeah. I mean, obviously, Lord of the Rings has

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been, like, a template for basically all fantasy

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since it came out. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. So, up

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until this point, Lord of the Rings is an IP.

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It's something that I've always super respected,

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and, like, it's kind of untouchable because,

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you know, it was kind of the grandfather of the

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whole entire genre. Right. To me, it always felt

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a little generic because so many other properties

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had taken so much influence from it that it kind

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of retroactively dulled Lord of the Rings for

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me, going back to it, if that makes any sense.

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Because it wasn't your first experience with

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it. Exactly, and it's not Lord of the Rings'

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fault at all. It's because it was so influential.

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It's like, okay, I played World of Warcraft,

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and I'm just like, oh, this is like World of

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Warcraft, but slightly more, you know, meh. Yeah,

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exactly, right. So I played WoW, and I gotta

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say, Lord of the Rings is really derivative.

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Yeah, right, exactly. It is totally not the Leroy

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Jenkins I expected. Right, yeah, I just, I mean,

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hashtag not my Leroy Jenkins. I mean, they could

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have gotten, yeah, I don't know. He's a hero

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we didn't deserve. But the one we need right

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now. Right. And it's like, and I've watched bits

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and pieces of all the movies, just, but with

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various states of inebriation and stuff like

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that, because we do drinking games with Lord

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of the Rings or something like that with my college

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friends and stuff, but whatever. This is the

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first time sitting down, actually watching them

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all in a row with my girlfriend, Jo, who is an

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absolute Tolkien head. She pretty much, like,

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it's kind of funny. watching these movies with

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her it's like kind of watching it with the DVD

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commentary on because she'll just have like little

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like little cliff note things oh you mean they

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did this yeah yeah yeah exactly like this is

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how like specifically the production of like

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the sets and stuff like that and it's been and

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I love it like she's like you can tell me to

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shut up at any time and like just enjoy the movie

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like no like it adds to the experience I think

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did she read the books she did yes oh wow yeah

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yeah she I could be misquoting her, but I believe

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she prefers to watch the movies in terms of consuming

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that media now. Not to say that that replaces

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the books, but she'll more readily re -watch

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the movies than going back to the books because

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the books are just a lot. I remember I tried

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to through The Hobbit and I just couldn't do

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it. They're dead. That's the only one I read

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is The Hobbit. Okay, yeah. And I enjoyed it.

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Um, so I was able to get through it, but yeah,

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there was definitely dense chapters in there

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because there's so much lore that J .R .R. Tolkien

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puts in there, which Peter Jackson strips, you

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know, the content a little bit to make it better

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for a movie. Yeah. So I think that's a, I think

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it's a good call by Joe. I mean, like, I think

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obviously the, the films are one thing. Yes.

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And it's like, they're totally distinct. pieces

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of media. Do you know if she's read The Silmarillion?

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I believe she's, again, could be misquoting her,

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I believe she's read parts of it, but not the

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entirety of it. Because if you want to really

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get into this world, I'm sorry, you gave him

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a nerd? Nerd! I just know of it. Does it matter?

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Nerd! Because I watch these movies with the director

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commentary. Yeah. We will reference it at times.

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Right, right, right. Yeah. No, and we also, like,

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we listen to, she showed me one of her favorite

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Tolkien podcasts, I believe. Oh, gosh. I'm blanking

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on the name of it. I'm sorry. Whatever. We'll

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add in the show notes later or something. Months

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later. They were specifically breaking down scenes

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of the movie and how they differed from the book,

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and it's super fascinating how deep... Oh, we

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don't like this specific line from this character

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because they didn't use the Anglo -Saxon word.

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What was it? No parent should have to bury their

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child. It's like, oh, they didn't use... They

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didn't use the right Anglo -Saxon phrasing of

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it that Tolkien would have used. It's like, whoa,

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we're going in the weeds on this one. Anyways,

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super long tangent, but whatever. All I'll say

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is that as somebody who's going into this relatively

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fresh, these movies hold up really well, I think.

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I should say I'm through the first two, extended

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edition. We are going to watch The Return of

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the King in the very near future. But yeah, I

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mean, it's kind of refreshing in a really weird

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way to watch like a fantasy. be part of a fantasy

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world that's not full of ultra -violence. It's

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still pretty violent, but ultra -violence and

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sex and cursing and shit like that. And not to

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say that I don't usually mind those things, but

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I feel like Game of Thrones has really kind of

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shifted the tone of an average fantasy. IP is

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nowadays. It's not as positive as it was. Right.

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Even in Lord of the Rings, you always felt like

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there was a character that brought you the happiness.

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Like, even in its darkest times. Oh, yeah, you're

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talking about Samwise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Samwise

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Kanji. Yeah, basically. Game of Thrones definitely

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doesn't have a Samwise Kanji. And Game of Thrones

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is a response to Lord of the Rings. Absolutely.

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Like, a lot of the tropes they purposely go against

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because it's like... as you were saying, a lot

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of this is established from Lord of the Rings

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and George R .R. Martin wanted to change things

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around and it surprises readers. So it's in the

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direct response to that. type of storytelling.

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Right, but because of that, because of how huge

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Game of Thrones got, it's kind of become, not

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rote, but it's like, okay, that's the default

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now, is that it's a dark fantasy is now default,

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right? It's a new standard. Yes, and so it's

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been refreshing to just kind of, you know, watch

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him, like, you know, experience a journey that's

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not going to, like, I don't know, it's... it's

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just fun to watch these characters go on their

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journey, and it's still emotional when you have

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those big character scenes, like Boromir's death,

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I mean, obviously, like, Aragorn mourning the

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supposed loss of his hobbit friends, like, just,

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I don't know, like, it's just a lot of fun to

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see these actors be in their element, because

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you can definitely tell that everybody who's

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in this movie is really going for it, because

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it's so huge to them, right? So, I mean, acting,

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obviously, out of this world, I mean, honestly,

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honestly, the only thing that's kind of unfortunate

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about it is that some of the visual effects have

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aged, like, kind of a lot. It's been 20 years.

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Which is crazy to me, man. It's been almost 20

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years. I will say, on the positive note on the

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VFX, like, Gollum still holds up really well.

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I mean, and that's clearly where they... put

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most of their focus the VFX team did because

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like Gollum is center stage like on screen for

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a lot of Two Towers and I'm assuming Return of

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the King and just like the fact that he didn't

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take me out of the movie like oh man that looks

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kind of rough like it was it's pretty impressive

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and obviously Andy Serkis this is kind of was

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like his standout first breakout performance

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I feel like this is where people started paying

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attention to him as a mocap actor 100 % yeah

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but I mean stuff like Stuff like the Ents, like,

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every Ent that's not Treebeard looks kind of

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rough. The Trolls in the Mines of Moria look

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kind of rough. And, yeah, just some kind of,

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I don't know, some sort of obviously green -screened

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-ish effects kind of happen. It's like, oh, oof,

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that kind of, like, little whiplash. But, whatever,

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those are obviously nitpicks. set designers out

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of this world. The fact that they filmed on location

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out in New Zealand is awesome. Mitchell, you've

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done... I've been there. You're right. I've been

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to a lot of the scenes where... Well, first off,

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the tourism... Nerd! In Rotorua, I totally deserve

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it. Rotorua, they actually still have the town

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of Hobbiton that they built for the practical

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set of shooting the exteriors and whatnot. And

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it's such a cool experience. They have the Green

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Dragon, which is the local bar, which they...

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it into a real bar and after you're done with

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your tour you can have some mead or some ale

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or whatever it's awesome it's so cool uh but

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yeah it's it's um it's still a huge point of

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national pride you can definitely feel just like

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this movie was shot here uh like there was a

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crew that literally spent like over a year building

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hobbiton for both the exteriors and all the other

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things that you would see around that area and

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they actually also rebuilt a lot of it for the

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hobbit so when they filmed that trilogy because

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they actually tore a lot of it down after the

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original lord of the rings was done and then

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when peter jackson came back to do the hobbit

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trilogy they had to rebuild a lot of it but the

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shire is beautiful to go through and then in

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wellington which is the what i would call the

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hollywood of new zealand that's where weta which

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is the studio that peter jackson owns they filmed

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a lot of shots there and um i took a tour and

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i'm going all around the city where they shot

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different things and it's fun to know that yes

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there's a lot of cgi and it was groundbreaking

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for the time a lot of the effects especially

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of showing scale of Gandalf to the hobbits a

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lot of it is forced perspective which is old

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school filmmaking and I think it's so cool that

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they you know are using that for sure and as

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a small tangent I think didn't they build like

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two different versions of Bag End, like Bilbo's

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Home, one for Ian McKellen and one for, I forget

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his name, but obviously Bilbo, right? Just to

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force that, just to show how towering Gandalf

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was over Bilbo. It was really cool, old school

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filmmaking, and it works. Really cool. Really,

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really cool stuff. Yeah, I guess personal, really

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quick personal thoughts. So I finished Fellowship

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of the Ring, and that's easily the film I'm most

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familiar with because that's the one I've watched

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kind of the most times, and again, various bits

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and pieces of it. And it's, like, kind of, that

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one is, not to knock on it, but it's, like, the

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most kind of, I would say, boxed in is too harsh

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of a word. But, like, that is, like, I was like,

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okay, cool. Like, this is a fun movie. You know,

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I enjoy myself. Glad to hear this because I can't

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go back and watch it. Really? Why not? So, well,

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when this came out, I was a kid. Oh, okay. You

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know, and, like, we went and saw it in theaters.

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You did. None of us expected it to be a sequel.

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We were all used to... Oh, what? Oh, you didn't

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know it was a trilogy? We didn't know it was

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going to be a trilogy. And so it's just one of

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those movies that you get to the end, and we

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have seen sequels before, but each movie is still

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finally wrapped up where it's like, okay, good

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guy wins, whatever. It's not a continuation story.

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And that book ends with Boromir dying, or that

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movie, rather, ends with Boromir dying, and they're

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just like, all right, well, I guess we're going

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to continue on. And so we left. Absolutely pissed.

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Yeah. And I still have that in my head. That's

00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:58.359
funny. And I can't go back and watch it, even

00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:00.640
though now I know, obviously, it's a continuation.

00:23:01.339 --> 00:23:04.259
That was my first movie experience with a continuation

00:23:04.259 --> 00:23:05.940
storyline. That's really funny. You're like,

00:23:06.099 --> 00:23:07.680
I was being, I'm trying to wonder, like, you

00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.019
halfway through, you're like, wow, they're taking

00:23:09.019 --> 00:23:11.099
a really long time to get to this mountain. Like,

00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.380
what the hell? Like, what the hell? They get

00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:14.880
to this mountain and destroy the ring. Yeah.

00:23:15.099 --> 00:23:19.789
Wait, what? To be continued. Fuck this! I had

00:23:19.789 --> 00:23:23.329
a similar experience, different reaction. Me,

00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:26.789
my mom, and my stepdad, Ralph, saw it in D .C.

00:23:26.869 --> 00:23:29.289
We were just happening to be vacationing there.

00:23:29.690 --> 00:23:31.349
They had both wanted to see it. And I think they

00:23:31.349 --> 00:23:33.529
both knew it was part of a trilogy. Okay, yeah.

00:23:33.630 --> 00:23:35.190
They just knew it was a part of a book series

00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:38.910
or whatever. So I'm watching it. And dude, where

00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:41.130
it ends, Fellowship of the Ring, it's after this

00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:44.089
climactic battle. All this emotional payoff is

00:23:44.089 --> 00:23:46.130
happening. Or maybe not even payoff. It's just

00:23:46.130 --> 00:23:48.970
emotional stuff is happening. And you just hear

00:23:48.970 --> 00:23:52.269
the groans in the theater. It's like, oh, we

00:23:52.269 --> 00:23:54.710
need more. It wasn't like they were pissed at

00:23:54.710 --> 00:23:56.869
the movie. They just wanted more. It literally

00:23:56.869 --> 00:23:59.670
ends with Sam and Frodo. comforting each other

00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:01.529
as they look on to the journey forth through.

00:24:01.569 --> 00:24:03.309
And they start walking. Yeah, they start walking

00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:06.509
and you're like, whoa, what? Yeah. And so, like,

00:24:06.529 --> 00:24:09.609
four kids at this point, like, we were just dropped

00:24:09.609 --> 00:24:12.910
off by the parents, you know, and it was, wait,

00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:15.910
what? Wow. My parents weren't there. Nobody's

00:24:15.910 --> 00:24:17.990
parents were there. I think I got primed before.

00:24:18.089 --> 00:24:20.430
I don't know. Like, I just remember. wanting

00:24:20.430 --> 00:24:22.730
more movie, but not expecting more movie, if

00:24:22.730 --> 00:24:24.750
that makes sense. See, we had no clue. None of

00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:27.289
us had any clue. That is rough. I don't talk

00:24:27.289 --> 00:24:29.190
with these guys anymore, otherwise I would wonder

00:24:29.190 --> 00:24:31.670
if they feel the same. But for me, it's hard

00:24:31.670 --> 00:24:34.869
for me to go back to that movie. Gotcha. The

00:24:34.869 --> 00:24:36.670
podcast is called The Prancing Pony. That's the

00:24:36.670 --> 00:24:39.829
one that we... Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. That's

00:24:39.829 --> 00:24:42.769
where they meet... Aragorn, right? Aragorn. That's

00:24:42.769 --> 00:24:48.180
it. There it lines up. Anyways. So, yeah, so

00:24:48.180 --> 00:24:50.880
I finished Fellowship of the Ring, and that's

00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:52.240
the one I'm most familiar with before going into

00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.440
this. I'm like, yeah, okay, that was fun, and

00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:56.700
I'm down for more. But I was like, okay, and

00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:58.500
we took a while to get to the second, like to

00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:00.380
get to Two Towers, and then finally I'm like,

00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:02.039
okay, it's time, we have an afternoon, let's

00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.559
start watching the Two Towers. And I kind of

00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.359
found myself asking Jill more questions about,

00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:08.960
like, oh, okay, so, like, where's this location

00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.039
in relation to here, you know? Right. I was just

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.000
like, where's Rohan in relation to Gondor, in

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.700
relation to Mordor as, blah, blah, blah. Well,

00:25:15.700 --> 00:25:18.299
there's a map. Exactly, right. Well, I'm, and

00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:19.900
then that's kind of where I found myself invested

00:25:19.900 --> 00:25:22.839
enough to build my own mental map of Middle -earth.

00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:24.779
Nice. And that was kind of, the last time I had

00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:27.400
done that was Game of Thrones, really. Yeah.

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.700
With a fantasy series, right? Sure. So that's

00:25:30.700 --> 00:25:33.059
kind of, like, where... I kind of realized, like,

00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:34.900
okay, yeah, obviously there's still a lot of

00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:40.329
magic in this story, right? Yeah. So... Yeah,

00:25:40.410 --> 00:25:42.029
I just, I don't know, I would say Two Towers,

00:25:42.109 --> 00:25:44.269
personally, if you're gonna, like, I, right now,

00:25:44.289 --> 00:25:46.170
that's currently my favorite of the two, uh,

00:25:46.369 --> 00:25:48.049
just because I, I think it has a little bit more

00:25:48.049 --> 00:25:50.289
interesting, it has a little, a little bit more

00:25:50.289 --> 00:25:52.250
stuff going on, I love the whole subplot with

00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.849
Rohan, uh, even though, like, Skyrim totally

00:25:54.849 --> 00:25:57.930
just pulled so much from Rohan, basically, like,

00:25:58.009 --> 00:26:01.170
the, the, like, that kind of aesthetic. Spoilers,

00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:03.109
I'm only, like, half an hour into Skyrim. Yeah,

00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:04.910
well, you know, you kind of. How many hours is

00:26:04.910 --> 00:26:08.509
it? I don't know, like, uh. Hours and hours and

00:26:08.509 --> 00:26:10.619
hours. I know. a big game it's like 20 it's like

00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:12.420
20 hours if you burned through it but it could

00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:14.420
be hundreds i don't know whatever yeah like if

00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:16.240
you don't do any side quests or anything like

00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.299
that but it's so it's so funny how much skyrim

00:26:19.299 --> 00:26:20.920
elder scrolls in general just pulled straight

00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.450
from token like so much um And yeah, and then

00:26:24.450 --> 00:26:25.789
obviously, and then honestly, like the battle

00:26:25.789 --> 00:26:27.809
of Helm's Deep, like it's legendary for a reason

00:26:27.809 --> 00:26:31.450
like that. When like, when the battle was about

00:26:31.450 --> 00:26:33.529
to start and I, and like, and Jill's like, oh

00:26:33.529 --> 00:26:35.470
yeah, we got about like 50 minutes left. I'm

00:26:35.470 --> 00:26:37.630
like, oh my God, what? How is that going to get,

00:26:37.710 --> 00:26:39.569
how are we going to get through 50 minutes of

00:26:39.569 --> 00:26:41.450
just battling? And it didn't feel like that.

00:26:41.470 --> 00:26:43.450
It felt snappy. Because they're telling a story.

00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:46.890
Like it is the best example of storytelling through

00:26:46.890 --> 00:26:49.710
fight sequences. Exactly. It's so well done.

00:26:49.809 --> 00:26:52.170
Right. Yeah. It makes me kind of wish that. Maybe

00:26:52.170 --> 00:26:54.250
the MCU could have somehow pulled that off a

00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:55.829
little bit better with the final fights. Like,

00:26:55.829 --> 00:26:58.269
imagine if Endgame had a 50 -minute fight scene

00:26:58.269 --> 00:26:59.730
that didn't feel like that. You know what I mean?

00:26:59.769 --> 00:27:01.769
Right. I couldn't imagine an MCU movie pulling

00:27:01.769 --> 00:27:03.190
that kind of thing off. Well, Endgame, like,

00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.230
almost did, right? Like, that last battle with

00:27:05.230 --> 00:27:07.150
Thanos took a long time, but it also dragged.

00:27:07.309 --> 00:27:10.009
But it dragged, though. Right. I did even feel,

00:27:10.109 --> 00:27:11.369
even with all that emotional stuff going on,

00:27:11.390 --> 00:27:13.049
I was like, oh, okay, we've been here for a while.

00:27:13.190 --> 00:27:14.650
You know, I did not feel that way. You have those

00:27:14.650 --> 00:27:16.849
different beats that are like, oh, yeah, I'm

00:27:16.849 --> 00:27:19.269
back invested, but then it's like, okay, why

00:27:19.269 --> 00:27:21.150
are we doing this part? Yeah, right, right. It's

00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:23.789
like, oh cool and kind of glaze over a little

00:27:23.789 --> 00:27:25.349
bit not to shit on Endgame Endgame is fantastic

00:27:25.349 --> 00:27:29.390
it's fun but it's on a lot of our best of 2019

00:27:29.390 --> 00:27:32.289
list it's not meant to be but I finished Helms

00:27:32.289 --> 00:27:34.089
Deep well we finished the movie and I was like

00:27:34.089 --> 00:27:38.559
oh that wow okay that was it like man okay 50

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.660
minutes, but it's 50 minutes that go quickly.

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.039
Yeah, it was exactly the right length, even with

00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.099
the extended edition, right? I would say some

00:27:45.099 --> 00:27:46.539
of the extended scenes, like, you can definitely

00:27:46.539 --> 00:27:48.440
tell, like, oh, yeah, this was definitely extended,

00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:50.819
was not in the theatrical cut. I could feel that.

00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:52.480
It's still fun, and I like the... Does it look

00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.160
unfinished? No, no, no, no, no, no. It doesn't

00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.339
look unfinished. It's more like a, oh, like,

00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:58.640
we are... Like, there's, like, a flashback with

00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.700
Boromir and his brother that, like, were hanging

00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:02.019
out in Gondor a little bit. I'm like, this definitely

00:28:02.019 --> 00:28:05.599
feels like... This was... definitely cut, you

00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.660
know? Yeah. Yeah. Not in terms of, like, visual,

00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:09.579
but, like, just story, like, narrative -wise,

00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:11.779
but Helm's Deep didn't have any of that, you

00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:13.619
know? Like, it was all killer, no filler. It

00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:14.400
sounds like you're enjoying this. All killer,

00:28:14.420 --> 00:28:16.240
no filler. Uh, I'm having a good time with it.

00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:17.400
Yeah, I'm having a good time. What would you

00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.980
give ranking -wise? It's tough. It is tough to

00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:22.099
put down, put it, uh, like, down a specific,

00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.420
uh, rank, I guess. I would say, uh, let's give

00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:32.859
Fellowship four, um, let's say four scary Bilbo's

00:28:32.859 --> 00:28:38.099
out of five. Scary. That scared the crap out

00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:40.579
of me as a kid. That scared the crap out of me

00:28:40.579 --> 00:28:46.720
as an adult. And then I'll do Two Towers. four

00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.019
and a half tree beards out of five. Nice. Two

00:28:50.019 --> 00:28:51.940
times my favorite one. Yeah? Yeah. But it's all

00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:53.839
close. It's all... It's all close, exactly. And

00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.140
giving these a number is kind of irrelevant because

00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:59.799
these movies... The number one thing I take away

00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.079
is that these movies, to me, are probably going

00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:02.440
to be timeless for a really long time because

00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.359
I'm enjoying myself a lot now. There's a lot

00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.160
of love and effort into it and it still stands

00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.119
the test of time. Definitely. Glad to be more

00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.099
invested in the Lord of the Rings. I can't wait

00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:12.640
to hear about your thoughts on Return of the

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.720
King now that you watch it with the sequels or

00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.720
the... previous movies in mind. Yeah, right,

00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:18.579
right. Now that I'm not just a nine -year -old

00:29:18.579 --> 00:29:20.460
being like, there's a lot of stuff happening

00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:22.920
and I have no idea. I just want to go back home

00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.200
and watch Yu -Gi -Oh. Like, literally, that's

00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.559
what I was thinking. I was like, this isn't Yu

00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.740
-Gi -Oh. I just, I want to go home and watch

00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:29.420
some of that. Where's the blue eyes white dragon?

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:30.960
I'm like, well, look, I'm in the middle of Battle

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.500
City Arc. Man, I want to find out what happens

00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:34.480
to that. I don't care about this Aragorn dude.

00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.099
Whatever. Oh, man, that's a reference I didn't

00:29:37.099 --> 00:29:40.759
understand. Some more Yu -Gi -Oh nerds out there.

00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:44.680
Nerd! A lot of nerd alerts in this podcast. Yeah.

00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.640
I saw that coming, but yeah. I feel like we're

00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.299
not done with it, though. No, but okay. Well,

00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.519
mine's on a nerd thing. No, no, no. I wasn't

00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.859
even calling you out. Oh. I get to release my

00:29:57.859 --> 00:30:00.500
musical theater nerd later. Oh, that's right.

00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.279
I'm looking forward to it. That's true. I'm calling

00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.980
out myself. Fair enough. Mitchell, you have seen

00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:10.559
a lot. What are you going to choose? Yeah, so

00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.740
I've seen a lot, and all the movies I'm about

00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:14.660
to say out loud, I definitely recommend to people.

00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.839
1917, worth the hype. So Roger Deakins does it

00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.660
again as the director of photography here. It's

00:30:21.660 --> 00:30:23.980
supposed to look like it's all one shot. I know

00:30:23.980 --> 00:30:26.240
a lot of film bros love geeking out on that.

00:30:26.299 --> 00:30:29.059
And the technical part of it is awesome. It's

00:30:29.059 --> 00:30:32.319
very awesome. But I love it in this case because

00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.000
it actually adds to the story. So it serves the

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.740
story. I thought the acting was fantastic. It's

00:30:38.740 --> 00:30:41.079
incredibly heartbreaking at times. It's uplifting.

00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:43.299
It's everything a war movie tends to be. And

00:30:43.299 --> 00:30:45.859
it's just done at a fantastically high level.

00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:48.980
So it's a top ten movie for me. Not top five,

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.960
but still really well worth the watch. It's probably

00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.740
going to win Best Picture. I don't know. It just

00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:55.599
feels like a Best Picture movie for the Oscars.

00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.359
So 1917 for sure. Little Women. A lot of folks

00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.220
on Twitter have definitely been hyping this movie

00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.200
up. They want Greta Gerwig to get a Best Director

00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.259
nomination. I absolutely... fucking 100 % agree

00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:10.019
this is her follow -up to leap and she also wrote

00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.359
this movie as well and she's adapting it from

00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.740
a classic novel and what she does as a screenwriter

00:31:15.740 --> 00:31:18.579
and she did get nominated for adaptive screenplay

00:31:19.230 --> 00:31:22.150
Fingers crossed she'll win. She reorders a lot

00:31:22.150 --> 00:31:25.029
of the sequences in the book, because the book

00:31:25.029 --> 00:31:27.210
is all chronological, and this is non -sophisticated

00:31:27.210 --> 00:31:29.430
at all. In the film, she reorders everything

00:31:29.430 --> 00:31:31.890
to match more thematically, more so than plot

00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.930
-wise. Okay. And it is that mastery of tone and

00:31:34.930 --> 00:31:36.990
storytelling that's a lot of big moments in the

00:31:36.990 --> 00:31:39.470
film. And Greta Gerwig had her fingerprints over

00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:41.849
it, and I think it's a costume drama that might

00:31:41.849 --> 00:31:44.710
be derivative of it. But it's an amazing movie.

00:31:44.789 --> 00:31:46.869
Everyone should watch it. But the movie I'm going

00:31:46.869 --> 00:31:50.259
to talk about today. Okay. is Uncut Gems. Oh

00:31:50.259 --> 00:31:53.480
boy. Because if Twitter had another movie that

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.359
it was pissed about not getting the love from

00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.859
the Oscars that it deserved, it was Uncut Gems.

00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.460
I'm a sailor. Adam Sandler blew me away. Blew

00:32:04.460 --> 00:32:07.900
me away. And I'll say this. I have seen him in

00:32:07.900 --> 00:32:10.859
pretty dramatic roles before, and Punch Truck

00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:13.539
Love is the number one thing that comes to mind.

00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.619
Working with the master director and Paul Thomas

00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:18.980
Anderson in that one. But this movie is more

00:32:18.980 --> 00:32:22.900
than dramatic. It asks for him to pull into his

00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:27.460
funny bone and really just carry the movie. For

00:32:27.460 --> 00:32:29.960
what a lot of people say about Locke, Joaquin

00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.599
Phoenix in Joker, which is he is in every frame.

00:32:33.019 --> 00:32:35.920
He is the emotional core to this thing. And he

00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:37.900
does the heavy lifting of carrying the entire

00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:41.029
film. Adam Sandler does the same thing in Uncut

00:32:41.029 --> 00:32:44.190
Gems. In Uncut Gems, he is in this, and I feel

00:32:44.190 --> 00:32:46.470
like this is a role that was tailor -made for

00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:48.809
him, and the Safi brothers did write the role

00:32:48.809 --> 00:32:51.650
with him in mind 10 years ago. So it took them

00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:54.170
a very long time, one, to get the cred to be

00:32:54.170 --> 00:32:56.190
directors who could approach Adam Sandler for

00:32:56.190 --> 00:32:58.769
a film, and sure enough, ended up working out.

00:32:58.930 --> 00:33:02.589
So his role, for those who don't know, Uncut

00:33:02.589 --> 00:33:06.150
Gems is set in New York City back in about 2012.

00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.920
Adam Sandler plays a jeweler who works in diamond

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.720
row, and he is a really shady guy. I'll say that.

00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:20.599
So he gets a lot of his diamonds from really,

00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.079
you know, like you want to talk about blood diamonds,

00:33:23.140 --> 00:33:27.460
this guy is all about that. Okay. And the uncut

00:33:27.460 --> 00:33:31.000
gem, the physical one, because really Adam Sandler

00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.210
himself is the uncut gem here. I see what you

00:33:34.210 --> 00:33:39.950
did there. Oh, okay, nice. The actual uncut gem

00:33:39.950 --> 00:33:42.930
is from Ethiopia, dug up by black Jews as he's

00:33:42.930 --> 00:33:45.650
presenting this rock to Kevin Garnett, who is

00:33:45.650 --> 00:33:47.509
amazing, by the way. Whoa, yeah, he pulls it

00:33:47.509 --> 00:33:50.069
off? Yeah, absolutely. Nice. So I'll get to him

00:33:50.069 --> 00:33:53.470
a little bit later. But this uncut gem is the

00:33:53.470 --> 00:33:57.289
MacGuffin of this entire movie. And it's what

00:33:57.289 --> 00:34:00.970
it's named after. So he gets into, basically

00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:03.210
he presents this to Kevin Garnett and he says,

00:34:03.289 --> 00:34:06.789
KG, this is my next million dollar sale. It's

00:34:06.789 --> 00:34:09.289
like a billion carats or whatever. It's the greatest

00:34:09.289 --> 00:34:11.710
piece of stone that I've ever gotten. And it

00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:14.630
took me 18 months to get it. And KG is holding

00:34:14.630 --> 00:34:16.949
this. He's mesmerized by this. There's a great

00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:19.409
scene where he's looking into the stone and he

00:34:19.409 --> 00:34:22.389
has this trip. flashback of his life. It was

00:34:22.389 --> 00:34:25.070
like, I need to have this. Because in this film,

00:34:25.090 --> 00:34:28.050
he's playing in the Eastern Conference Finals

00:34:28.050 --> 00:34:32.650
against the Philadelphia 76ers. He's like, I

00:34:32.650 --> 00:34:34.889
need this for tonight. Sure enough, it's Kevin

00:34:34.889 --> 00:34:36.789
Garnett. You can't say no. He takes the stone

00:34:36.789 --> 00:34:39.190
for free. He takes it for free. He's like, I'm

00:34:39.190 --> 00:34:41.809
going to get it back to you by Friday. And that's

00:34:41.809 --> 00:34:44.909
where this whole thing sets off. Oh, wow. So

00:34:44.909 --> 00:34:49.070
he is, Adam Sandler not only deals a lot of jewelry,

00:34:49.250 --> 00:34:53.010
he also bets a shit ton of money on sports. Sounds

00:34:53.010 --> 00:34:55.750
about right. So what Kevin Garnett left as collateral

00:34:55.750 --> 00:34:58.710
for this uncut gem was his 2008 championship

00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:02.309
Celtics ring. So he leaves it with... adam sandler

00:35:02.309 --> 00:35:05.210
and he immediately pawns it so he can get money

00:35:05.210 --> 00:35:08.429
to bet on the celtics that night because kevin

00:35:08.429 --> 00:35:10.550
garnett has his son he's like kevin kg ain't

00:35:10.550 --> 00:35:13.789
losing and that is basically the entire movie

00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:16.820
Over and over again. Adam Sandler gets himself

00:35:16.820 --> 00:35:21.099
into a position where he has money, he has something

00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:23.699
worth holding on to, and he places a bet on it.

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.840
And he keeps upping the stakes over and over

00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.500
again. I'm getting anxious just thinking about

00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:32.739
it. It is a two -hour anxiety trip. And it is

00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:37.659
masterful directing. It's great acting from Adam

00:35:37.659 --> 00:35:40.039
Sandler. And here is my shout -out to Kevin Garnett.

00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:42.909
It is incredibly hard, or at least... from what

00:35:42.909 --> 00:35:45.409
I've seen, it's incredibly hard for famous people

00:35:45.409 --> 00:35:48.489
to play themselves on camera. Because a lot of

00:35:48.489 --> 00:35:50.909
times these guys will come out wooden. They're

00:35:50.909 --> 00:35:53.769
just trying to deliver the line. Not to tangent,

00:35:53.949 --> 00:35:56.610
but have you seen those NBA 2K clips from the

00:35:56.610 --> 00:35:59.150
story mode? Oh, it's so bad. Oh, I got so bad.

00:35:59.289 --> 00:36:01.150
A lot of them, it's like, oh, here's Donovan

00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:03.429
Mitchell. Hey, what's up? Hey, what's up? It's

00:36:03.429 --> 00:36:06.010
me, known NBA player Donovan Mitchell. Yeah,

00:36:06.050 --> 00:36:08.530
it's just like, it's rough. Yeah. And I'm not

00:36:08.530 --> 00:36:11.130
even sure if Donnie is in 2K. Right, right, no.

00:36:11.329 --> 00:36:13.539
No. I just love Donovan Mitchell. Sorry, man.

00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:16.739
Sorry, Don. It's just because he's your favorite.

00:36:16.900 --> 00:36:18.840
Yeah, I love Donovan Mitchell. I know you do.

00:36:18.980 --> 00:36:22.159
Because of my name. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Because

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.719
of my name. He plays a lot like Dwayne Wade.

00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:26.380
I don't know. He reminds me of a young D. Wade.

00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.300
But anyway, Kevin Garnett comes onto the scene,

00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.840
and he has the charisma that you would expect

00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.000
from a guy like him. He dominates the room that

00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.460
he's in just because of how tall he is, especially

00:36:37.460 --> 00:36:39.480
in the jewelry scenes where he's in the store.

00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.420
And I'll say this, one of the tensest moments

00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:45.449
in the film. It's not about... adam sandler placing

00:36:45.449 --> 00:36:47.869
a bet it's not when he has a mob boss with a

00:36:47.869 --> 00:36:50.329
gun waving in his face okay it's when he's trying

00:36:50.329 --> 00:36:53.170
to get kevin garnett and his crew into this jewelry

00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:56.210
store which is you know it has like a magnetic

00:36:56.210 --> 00:36:58.510
door because there's a lot of very expensive

00:36:58.510 --> 00:37:00.469
jewelry in there you have to hit a button to

00:37:00.469 --> 00:37:03.730
let them in um for whatever reason the door was

00:37:03.730 --> 00:37:06.130
not working and they for like a couple minutes

00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:08.590
are just scrambling to try and get this door

00:37:08.590 --> 00:37:10.829
to open and it's everything cutting from the

00:37:10.829 --> 00:37:13.449
music from kg yelling at him and kg's so fucking

00:37:13.449 --> 00:37:16.579
big in this Cage. It is incredible filmmaking

00:37:16.579 --> 00:37:19.179
and my heart was pumping the most probably from

00:37:19.179 --> 00:37:21.760
that scene than any other time in the movie.

00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.380
Kelly could tell you how much I was squirming

00:37:24.380 --> 00:37:26.559
in my seat in that particular scene because I

00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.440
thought KG was going to lose it. Anyway, so Ben

00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.960
Garnett delivers an amazing performance and the

00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.360
scene where they're all together because you

00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.260
see Adam Sandler go through all this stuff. He's

00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.860
a shitty guy. You're not rooting for him. You're

00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:41.719
not rooting for him at all in this movie. You

00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.119
just want for him to get out of it alive. So

00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:45.820
you're not necessarily rooting for him to succeed.

00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.719
You just want him to live. And there's a scene

00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:52.599
where he basically puts out his whole thesis

00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.639
on life to Kevin Garnett. He's just like, you

00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:57.900
know what? What people think of me when I'm putting

00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.019
bets on this shit, I want to win big. And he's

00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:02.960
like, KG, do you want to win by one or do you

00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.159
want to win by 30? You know, this is how I win.

00:38:05.300 --> 00:38:07.360
And he's just like, which is like the big sense

00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.940
been getting a lot of buzz. Anyway. I can't talk

00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:13.320
enough about this movie. Should Adam Sandler

00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.760
have been nominated for Best Actor? Absolutely.

00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:19.119
I'm not sure who you cut, but I would have to

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.139
look through the list again. You just add an

00:38:21.139 --> 00:38:24.559
additional spot? Oh, by the way, Adam Sandler

00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.719
should totally be recognized for this. I think

00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.920
maybe not the Safdie brothers for Best Director,

00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.840
but I think absolutely it should be for Best

00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.099
Picture. And what not a lot of people are talking

00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:39.699
about him, I really think... I really think this

00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:41.719
movie is going to be shown at film schools for

00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:43.500
editing. I don't know how you get any of these

00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:45.820
guys. Who are the guys? Adam Driver, Marriage

00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:48.440
Story. Nope. Antonio Banderas, Pain and Glory.

00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:50.019
I haven't seen it. Which I haven't seen it, but

00:38:50.019 --> 00:38:52.639
I've just heard great things because of him too.

00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.820
And he's a movie star. Leo for Once Upon a Time.

00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.960
So good. Jonathan Pryce for The Two Popes. Take

00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.309
them out! Jonathan Pryce, you're out. God, you're

00:39:01.309 --> 00:39:03.349
out of here. You're out. You're done, son. You're

00:39:03.349 --> 00:39:06.010
done. Have I seen The Two Popes? No. But I have

00:39:06.010 --> 00:39:08.650
seen Uncut Gems. And, of course, Joaquin Phoenix.

00:39:08.829 --> 00:39:10.170
Yeah, man, he's going to win. Don't go and have

00:39:10.170 --> 00:39:11.849
an Adam Sandler. Get Joaquin Phoenix out of here.

00:39:11.889 --> 00:39:15.210
Get that guy out of here. Sorry, Jonathan Pryce.

00:39:15.369 --> 00:39:18.010
See ya. It's a crowded field. I get it. Just

00:39:18.010 --> 00:39:19.530
put him in Best Actress. They're great. Yeah,

00:39:19.570 --> 00:39:22.530
yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. That's a whole other set

00:39:22.530 --> 00:39:25.590
of problems. So, anyway, Best Editing. They've

00:39:25.590 --> 00:39:27.969
done it for Director. I think Best Editing for,

00:39:28.110 --> 00:39:34.190
yeah. For 1917, for it being a spectacle of long

00:39:34.190 --> 00:39:37.030
takes, this is a master class in showing you

00:39:37.030 --> 00:39:39.130
how cutting a film can actually drive narrative

00:39:39.130 --> 00:39:42.489
and build tension and drama. I have to go see

00:39:42.489 --> 00:39:46.030
this fucking movie. You've sold me on this. Anyway,

00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:50.130
I'm going to give this film, by the way, my number

00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:53.869
three film of the year, I'm giving it four and

00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:57.039
a half. Boston Celtics championship rings. Nice.

00:39:57.139 --> 00:39:59.280
There we go. All right. I need to see this movie.

00:39:59.420 --> 00:40:01.059
You need to see this movie. I need to see it.

00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.780
I really want to. I will say this. All the people

00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:05.460
that I know who have watched it and did not like

00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:08.079
it, it is because they felt that they were having

00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.260
a heart attack for two hours. Right, I could

00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:12.019
see coming out of the movie, like, I could see

00:40:12.019 --> 00:40:13.780
someone not enjoying that kind of premise, the

00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:16.300
anxiety attack. It is, and I'll argue, that's

00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:17.920
what makes the movie so effective. I'm glad I

00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.000
haven't seen it, like, a day before going into

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.739
work or something like that, where I feel like

00:40:21.739 --> 00:40:23.679
I'm just exhausted from the movie. Literally,

00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:24.980
like, it kind of came out of, like, I was like,

00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:26.960
ah, man, yeah, I would, I didn't, it kind of

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.380
came out of a time where I was not in the mood

00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:30.679
to be super anxious, we'll say that, and it's

00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.519
like, uh, that's why I kind of slipped me by

00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.860
a little bit and I'll say this I watched this

00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:37.360
in Brooklyn and it was a packed theater which

00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.280
is awesome and by the way if you've never been

00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.719
to an Alamo Drafthouse do yourself a favor and

00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.679
go to one if there's somewhere a theater near

00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.579
you but it is a great experience everyone was

00:40:49.579 --> 00:40:51.639
reacting to the same stuff on screen. It just

00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.579
felt like a great communal experience watching

00:40:53.579 --> 00:40:55.539
this movie. And it wasn't Star Wars, you know?

00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.480
It was just like a smaller indie movie. I wish

00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.699
I saw that instead of Star Wars. And even more

00:41:00.699 --> 00:41:03.519
so, like, I saw Hobbs and Shaw after The Bachelor

00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:06.519
Party at an Alamo draft house. Oh, yeah! And

00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.460
it was phenomenal because not only is it just

00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:11.739
a great experience overall... Yeah, great, fantastic

00:41:11.739 --> 00:41:14.360
movie, right. Well, no, no, not that movie. But

00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.869
before the movie, they did like a basis... Let's

00:41:17.869 --> 00:41:19.969
run through the first eight Fast and the Furious

00:41:19.969 --> 00:41:21.730
movies, just in case you haven't seen it. And

00:41:21.730 --> 00:41:24.510
who the hell Hobbs and Shaw are? And everybody

00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:27.469
likes Shaw now, even though he killed Han and

00:41:27.469 --> 00:41:30.869
R .I .P. Han. It was just great. And that is

00:41:30.869 --> 00:41:34.110
made in -house at Alamo, right? Oh, it's totally

00:41:34.110 --> 00:41:37.190
for Alamo Drafthouse, by Alamo Drafthouse, and

00:41:37.190 --> 00:41:38.869
it makes it so much better. And I've seen two

00:41:38.869 --> 00:41:41.630
films there, and they change it up every time.

00:41:41.690 --> 00:41:43.469
Before they hit previews, they have all these

00:41:43.469 --> 00:41:46.489
cool, very specific things. When I saw 1917,

00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.260
one of the things that they played was a short

00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:52.780
film made in 1917 and that was a very loose tie

00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:55.280
into the movie they did they did a scene like

00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.699
the most intense scene from Bullet before Hobbs

00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:01.179
and Shaw and they like showed it ahead of time

00:42:01.179 --> 00:42:03.579
and it was just like this just gets me pumped

00:42:03.579 --> 00:42:06.139
let's go action movies yeah right so i don't

00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:08.599
know it's it's a fun experience they have beer

00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.559
and all that kind of stuff which i did yeah beer

00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:14.440
yeah well my local amc does not have beer damn

00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.099
it definitely don't i have to sneak that shit

00:42:16.099 --> 00:42:18.780
in along with my cocaine okay like i don't need

00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:20.739
to be sneaking in one of those things right for

00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:23.460
sure and that of course is the beer so yes skittles

00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:26.699
skittles oh put the cocaine in the skittles yeah

00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:29.599
my jeez what are we fucking 14 years old sorry

00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:33.329
wow right gosh dang i'm sorry my coke in a while.

00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:35.170
Yeah, I get it, I get it, I get it. Four and

00:42:35.170 --> 00:42:37.230
a half Boston Celtics championship rings. Mike,

00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:39.989
there is a movie that we need to talk about right

00:42:39.989 --> 00:42:43.250
now. We do not need to talk about it right now.

00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:45.429
No, we definitely do. However, there's so many

00:42:45.429 --> 00:42:48.449
people in this movie. So let's get it started.

00:42:48.469 --> 00:42:51.750
It is a podcast, after all, that talks about

00:42:51.750 --> 00:42:56.150
bad movies. Or should I say a podcast? Oh, wow.

00:42:56.369 --> 00:42:59.710
Okay. I have been sitting on that joke. Let's

00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:03.849
go! Wow, okay, so... We agreed. I rushed here

00:43:03.849 --> 00:43:07.510
after work. It was an inconvenience. You didn't

00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:10.030
need to rush. I rushed. You did not need to rush.

00:43:10.210 --> 00:43:12.630
So that's on you. Yeah, clearly that joke made

00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:14.170
me realize I did not need to rush. No, definitely

00:43:14.170 --> 00:43:16.010
not. I could have waited until that joke was

00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:17.829
said. I don't know what I'm doing here anymore.

00:43:17.969 --> 00:43:19.960
Yeah, how do you feel, Andre? Not great, honestly.

00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.800
I think, Mike, I think you're going to have to

00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.099
play a game of where the hell are my co -hosts?

00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:26.860
Right. I'm going to play a game of somebody's

00:43:26.860 --> 00:43:30.239
losing the next challenge. So they have to see

00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.840
Doolittle or some other shit. Oh, fuck. Doolittle.

00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.619
No. Is Doolittle better than Cats? They both

00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:39.559
have talking animals. They definitely do. They

00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.000
both are terrible on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, they

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.820
don't look good. One of them had to be patched

00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:46.559
halfway through. Okay, real quick. Did you watch

00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.360
the patched or unpatched version? Damn it. Okay.

00:43:49.420 --> 00:43:52.980
Yes, because it was patched opening night. You're

00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:54.300
right. Yeah, because you had... And they finished

00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:57.280
it like hours before, right? Oh, they were doing

00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.940
it before it, everything like that, and they

00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:02.659
did some after. Oh, they did some after. Yes.

00:44:02.659 --> 00:44:05.519
Oh, jeez. So what was the patch stuff? Like,

00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.239
specifically. Who knows, because it didn't make

00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.619
it. Apparently, what I heard was that CGI models

00:44:12.619 --> 00:44:14.579
were clipping through walls. It literally sounds

00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:16.059
like a video game. Like, this is what happens

00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:17.880
in video games all the time. You push out a game

00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.559
for release that's broken as shit, and they're

00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.820
like, okay, wait for our day one patch, they'll

00:44:22.820 --> 00:44:25.199
fix all the bugs. It's literally that before

00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.159
a movie. Movies are video games now. It's great.

00:44:27.179 --> 00:44:31.389
So, I have a list of thoughts. I have three positives.

00:44:31.650 --> 00:44:33.289
Jesus, that's a long list. That's a long list.

00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:35.289
I have three positives. That's more than I thought

00:44:35.289 --> 00:44:37.489
you would have, honestly. And 16 negatives. Okay.

00:44:37.769 --> 00:44:39.090
Alright, that's not a good ratio. Not a great

00:44:39.090 --> 00:44:41.329
ratio. So, are we going to go through the positives

00:44:41.329 --> 00:44:42.929
or the negatives first? Positives, go. Yeah,

00:44:42.929 --> 00:44:45.469
yeah. Positives, okay. The singing is on point.

00:44:45.909 --> 00:44:48.090
Okay, great. Because they're all great, talented

00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:52.309
singers. There's one person I have a disagreement

00:44:52.309 --> 00:44:55.170
about, but I am willing to forgive her. It is

00:44:55.170 --> 00:44:58.809
Dame Judi Dench. She is also... Old as shit.

00:44:58.949 --> 00:45:02.650
Sure. Wow. I love her to death. She's old as

00:45:02.650 --> 00:45:05.130
shit. Apparently they didn't render her cat fur

00:45:05.130 --> 00:45:07.110
on her hands in the first version. That's why

00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:09.610
I wanted to see human hands Judy Dench on. She

00:45:09.610 --> 00:45:11.570
did still have her wedding ring on, too. Oh,

00:45:11.570 --> 00:45:13.469
did she? In the unpatched version, or the patched

00:45:13.469 --> 00:45:17.010
version that we got, whatever. With all due respect.

00:45:17.250 --> 00:45:19.050
With all due respect. She's old as shit. No,

00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:22.730
but she's old as shit. She can't sing no more.

00:45:22.769 --> 00:45:25.269
Her vocal cords are wrinkled as shit. And it

00:45:25.269 --> 00:45:27.449
wasn't even like it was bad. It's just, it's

00:45:27.449 --> 00:45:30.130
not as on par with everybody else that's in this

00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:34.639
movie. Yeah. You know, and... Ian McKellen also

00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.059
probably. Don't talk shit about Ian McKellen,

00:45:37.099 --> 00:45:40.599
all right? Also old. He was old in Lord of the

00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:41.940
Rings, too. He was old in Lord of the Rings,

00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:46.019
right? Also old, so I don't hold this against

00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:48.639
either of them. So please, just don't take it

00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.440
that way. It's just when you're in a movie with

00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.139
freaking Taylor Swift, Jennifer Hudson, and all

00:45:53.139 --> 00:45:56.619
these other singers, you're going to stand out.

00:45:56.780 --> 00:46:00.420
And it's not like it's bad. freaking Russell

00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:04.860
Crowe and Les Mis. It's not that bad. It's just

00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:08.000
okay. They're a step down. They're still high

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:13.380
level. Jennifer Hudson is a goddess. She is outstanding

00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:16.139
in this movie. No matter what happens. No matter

00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:21.619
what happens. And the CGI cat hair is good. The

00:46:21.619 --> 00:46:24.260
cat, like, specifically the hair. Yeah, the hair.

00:46:24.340 --> 00:46:26.460
The hair is good. Like, it's very, like, it's

00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:28.599
out there, you know? Like, you could see the...

00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.420
There's singular strands. Okay. Exactly. So,

00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.500
but you, so the CGI did not take you out of the

00:46:33.500 --> 00:46:35.599
movie, then? Or was it just... No, that's not,

00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.780
that's not what I'm saying. Okay, alright. I

00:46:37.780 --> 00:46:41.420
am saying the CGI cat hair... was good. Monster

00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:43.880
Zinc's hair was good. Right, yeah. Sully's hair

00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:47.480
was really great. That was like 2003? 2004. Yeah,

00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.719
yeah, yeah. 16 years ago. On to the negatives.

00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:55.019
Here we go. So, well, before we get started with

00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:57.239
that, I am a musical theater nerd. I love musical

00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:01.099
theater. I never have seen Cats. Mostly because

00:47:01.099 --> 00:47:03.300
I don't like Cats personally, even though we

00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:07.469
live with one that is adorable and likable. Lie

00:47:07.469 --> 00:47:10.590
like carpet. Lie like carpet. No, I'm not lying

00:47:10.590 --> 00:47:13.190
like carpet. You would, but I'm not. Oh, I hate

00:47:13.190 --> 00:47:16.530
cats. I'm telling the truth. I put up with our

00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:20.710
cat. Our cat is fine. Good. The story about cats

00:47:20.710 --> 00:47:24.769
is always supposed to be vignettes. You get scene,

00:47:24.969 --> 00:47:27.309
scene, scene, scene, scene of a different cat.

00:47:28.030 --> 00:47:34.110
So the idea is these Jellicle cats gather one

00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:37.199
night a year. Where somebody gets sent to the

00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:41.440
heaven side lair. Cool. Tight. So they get like

00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:42.980
one of their nine lives back? Is that literally

00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:44.780
like... No. Are they playing with that? Yeah.

00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:47.639
They get a new start. Whatever they may want.

00:47:47.940 --> 00:47:50.099
Alright. It sounds like their weak life. Yeah,

00:47:50.099 --> 00:47:53.860
right. So, for example, if you wanted to become

00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:58.559
a human... Oh, you could choose? Yeah, it's whatever

00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.590
you want for your life. Oh. What are the mechanics

00:48:02.590 --> 00:48:04.650
of this? Like, do you just become an adult man,

00:48:04.789 --> 00:48:07.429
like, a human right away, or what? Or do you

00:48:07.429 --> 00:48:09.170
just get reborn as a... Are they going with,

00:48:09.269 --> 00:48:11.809
like, a... Here's the thing. We don't know. Oh!

00:48:12.869 --> 00:48:15.309
That's where they get you. Yeah, right. So...

00:48:15.309 --> 00:48:18.989
Gotta find out in Cats 2. Oh, for the love of

00:48:18.989 --> 00:48:23.590
God! Each vignette is a different cat. They get

00:48:23.590 --> 00:48:27.530
to sing a song in front of old Deuteronomy. who

00:48:27.530 --> 00:48:30.929
is played by Dame Judi Dench. Okay. She chooses

00:48:30.929 --> 00:48:34.469
a winner. They get whatever they want, or whatever

00:48:34.469 --> 00:48:36.929
it is. What's the metrics on which the cats win?

00:48:37.190 --> 00:48:41.429
Just coolest song? It's a song about your life,

00:48:41.469 --> 00:48:44.219
and she chooses based on that. Oh, so it's like

00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:47.900
American Idol, but to live. No, not to live,

00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:50.679
but to get to whatever you want. I'm thinking

00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.300
more of the Rick and Morty episode with the giant

00:48:52.300 --> 00:48:55.739
talking planet heads. Show me what you got. Show

00:48:55.739 --> 00:48:58.380
me what you got. Boo, not cool. Yeah, there.

00:48:58.619 --> 00:49:01.320
Yes. Gitchwifty. Yeah, the Gitchwifty episode.

00:49:01.380 --> 00:49:02.940
You're right, exactly. Iconic. Is there a Gitchwifty

00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.280
song in this movie? There is a song with singing

00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.039
cockroaches and mice. Yeah, but it's Van Harmon

00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.900
singing. Right. Oh, my God. CG. I'm just imagining

00:49:11.900 --> 00:49:16.500
seeing Nightmare. Imagine a nightmare CGI Dan

00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:19.559
Harmon in a cat suit and it's just, I will not

00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.099
sleep tonight. Thank you for that. So they get

00:49:22.099 --> 00:49:24.599
to sing their song. Old dude around him, he chooses

00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:30.320
a winner. The ideal is Idris Elba is getting

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.420
rid of the cats one by one. So he has no competition

00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:39.039
for the contest. I see. So he can win and whatever

00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.480
he wants. And I can't remember... He sounds like

00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.480
the good guy in this story. He's the bad guy.

00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:47.719
I'll be rooting for him. Wait, you're going to

00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.159
kill all these things? Oh, yes. Please, keep

00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.420
going. What I will point out that's kind of accidental,

00:49:52.579 --> 00:49:54.539
not on purpose, but it's just one of those things

00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:57.119
that stuck out with me, is that all of the bad

00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.780
cats, or not all of them, but the two bad cats

00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:04.440
were of African -American descent. And that is

00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.559
something that stuck out to me. Ouch. Well, who's

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.250
the other one? Jennifer Hudson is seen as an

00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:14.309
outcast. But not like a bad cat. Idris Elba's

00:50:14.309 --> 00:50:19.250
character is named Macavity. Andrew Lloyd Webber,

00:50:19.369 --> 00:50:22.809
yes! She was a famous singer at the Cat Club,

00:50:23.110 --> 00:50:26.030
and then she just kind of hitched her wagon to

00:50:26.030 --> 00:50:28.269
Idris Elba and got blacklisted by the rest of

00:50:28.269 --> 00:50:32.210
the cats. But lots of them did, and none of them

00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:36.699
were really blacklisted. No, she sings it. So

00:50:36.699 --> 00:50:39.639
she sings it with the other cat who I need to

00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.199
look up. Oh, there's another cat. Well, there's

00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:42.599
a bunch of cats. How many fucking cats are in

00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:44.739
this movie? How many cats do I need to kill in

00:50:44.739 --> 00:50:48.179
this movie? Right. That's the point. Also, are

00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:50.179
there any other anthropomorphic animals in this

00:50:50.179 --> 00:50:53.679
movie? There is anthropomorphic mice. Okay. What

00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:56.440
about dogs? There is no dogs. Oh, what a good

00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.119
boy. As the last song... That's the real sequel,

00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:03.389
Dogs. Dogs? Puppy pilot. Puppy pilot. And she

00:51:03.389 --> 00:51:07.590
saves everyone. There's also no Jason Derulo

00:51:07.590 --> 00:51:10.630
junk. If you've ever heard the... Oh, I heard.

00:51:10.750 --> 00:51:14.170
Yeah. So they all got Ken dolled, Barbie dolled

00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:19.289
bottoms. And Jason Derulo took it especially

00:51:19.289 --> 00:51:21.929
hard and started a conversation about the fact

00:51:21.929 --> 00:51:24.210
that he has ginormous junk and they couldn't...

00:51:24.460 --> 00:51:26.699
God damn it. Why do you guys say that? Yeah,

00:51:26.699 --> 00:51:28.739
like, what? I guess Jason Derulo has not been

00:51:28.739 --> 00:51:31.099
relevant in quite some time. He just really wants

00:51:31.099 --> 00:51:32.800
people to know how big his junk is. You guys

00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.280
gonna watch this movie? It's gonna look like

00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.420
I have no junk? Trust me, I do have junk, okay?

00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.900
It's huge! It is actually, like, a really good

00:51:38.900 --> 00:51:40.519
singing job, and it's the first time I've ever

00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.179
heard him sing a song without saying his own

00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:46.320
name. No! Jason Derulo! But he plays Runtong

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:47.219
Duggar. I think I would have heard this better.

00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.599
Does he say that name in the song? Uh, yes. See,

00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:54.940
that's what he's worried about. You know what,

00:51:55.059 --> 00:51:56.920
now thinking about it, yeah, he says Rum Tum

00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:01.099
Tugger. That's his name, Rum Tum Tugger. You're

00:52:01.099 --> 00:52:03.179
welcome. That's a kitty cat name. Yeah, that's

00:52:03.179 --> 00:52:06.920
a name, you know. There's Demeter and Skimbleshanks.

00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:08.960
Were all these cats domesticated? Were any of

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.420
the cats domesticated in their prior life or

00:52:11.420 --> 00:52:13.420
whatever? The beginning of the movie, they're

00:52:13.420 --> 00:52:18.420
all like, um, Rebel Wilson was. There's a few

00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:20.400
others that are. The beginning of the movie,

00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:25.119
this one gets dropped off, which I think is Francesca

00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.320
Hayward. So this is, by the way, just going back

00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.130
to your vignette note. This movie is still vignettes.

00:52:30.349 --> 00:52:33.170
Yes, it is still vignettes. You still, one at

00:52:33.170 --> 00:52:36.130
a time, hear songs. So you go to Rebel Wilson,

00:52:36.309 --> 00:52:39.989
you go to James Corden, you go to the Stealing

00:52:39.989 --> 00:52:42.909
Cats. So outside of memory, is there any song

00:52:42.909 --> 00:52:45.230
of note that you would spotlight? That you say,

00:52:45.329 --> 00:52:47.150
hey, this is a good song that you could listen

00:52:47.150 --> 00:52:50.550
to without watching this movie. No. That is an

00:52:50.550 --> 00:52:52.670
anguished face. Yeah, I was going to say, your

00:52:52.670 --> 00:52:59.619
face says it all. The song that... Because I

00:52:59.619 --> 00:53:02.400
do like movie musicals a lot. I really do. Magical

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.480
Mr. Mistoffelees gets stuck in my head. Oh, yeah.

00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:08.739
So Mr. Mistoffelees is a magic cat. Magic cat.

00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.699
Magic cat. I'm a magic cat. A little wizard cat.

00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:15.599
So Macavity steals old Deuteronomy, and they

00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.480
all rely on Mr. Mistoffelees, the magic cat,

00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.900
to bring her back. Uh -huh. And so it's like...

00:53:22.269 --> 00:53:26.489
Oh, well, I never was there ever a cat so clever

00:53:26.489 --> 00:53:30.489
as Magical Mr. Mistoffelees. And it just gets

00:53:30.489 --> 00:53:32.429
stuck in my head because they repeat that line

00:53:32.429 --> 00:53:34.230
over and over and over again. Can I just say

00:53:34.230 --> 00:53:36.170
I'm so happy that we have required you to have

00:53:36.170 --> 00:53:38.210
encyclopedic knowledge of all these dumbass cat

00:53:38.210 --> 00:53:39.989
names? I'm very happy about that. Oh, I'm on

00:53:39.989 --> 00:53:42.530
IMDb. Oh, okay. Well, you know. And you never

00:53:42.530 --> 00:53:45.469
saw Cats, the musical, right? I never saw Cats,

00:53:45.489 --> 00:53:50.809
the musical. Okay. I have sang one song from...

00:53:52.399 --> 00:53:56.760
at musical theater camp because... Nerd? Nerd!

00:53:57.699 --> 00:54:01.400
Yeah, I got it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So on

00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.659
to my negatives. Now that we know... Wait, wait,

00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.539
wait. What? We haven't touched my negatives.

00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:09.239
All right. We got to get through these negatives.

00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:11.800
Let's go. Let's do it. Well, you were right.

00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.260
Jennifer Hudson does win. What she wants is...

00:54:14.260 --> 00:54:15.960
Hey! Nice. She wants to feel a part of... I'm

00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.920
going to open a cruise to celebrate. Yeah. Cheers.

00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:20.869
Thanks, man. What she wants is she wants to feel

00:54:20.869 --> 00:54:22.969
a part of everybody again because she got blacklisted.

00:54:23.269 --> 00:54:26.670
Okay. So that was the thing. Wait, so she just

00:54:26.670 --> 00:54:30.630
comes back as herself? No, no, no. So Francesca

00:54:30.630 --> 00:54:34.469
Hayward's cat becomes friends with her. Gotcha.

00:54:34.670 --> 00:54:36.909
And just kind of says, like, why can't she be

00:54:36.909 --> 00:54:40.590
loved by everybody? She sings her song, and old

00:54:40.590 --> 00:54:43.090
Deuteronomy's like, you've suffered. You're the

00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:46.150
winner. And then they fly her off in this magical

00:54:46.150 --> 00:54:51.019
balloon, and that's the end of the movie. So,

00:54:51.019 --> 00:54:55.019
to rejoin all the other cats and get a new life,

00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:58.440
they send her off in a balloon alone by herself.

00:54:58.940 --> 00:55:01.260
Tears. Okay. Tears. Yeah, emotional. I'm emotional

00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:03.019
just thinking about it. Yeah. Sorry, I gotta

00:55:03.019 --> 00:55:05.260
wait. Is it weird that I have a boner right now?

00:55:05.300 --> 00:55:08.679
What the hell? Mitchell, congrats, you are a

00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:13.000
furry. Sick. Sick, nice. One of the first notes

00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.559
I have, random clothes items. Some are wearing,

00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.570
like, fur coats. I saw a gif of one coat. Oh,

00:55:19.570 --> 00:55:21.110
wait, Deuteronomy, that was what? Yeah, right.

00:55:21.489 --> 00:55:24.230
Deuteronomy wears a fur coat. There's two that

00:55:24.230 --> 00:55:27.710
have sneakers for breakdancing. There's one that

00:55:27.710 --> 00:55:30.829
wears suspenders. Were they, like, sponsored

00:55:30.829 --> 00:55:33.489
sneakers? Was, like, Nike paid for that? As far

00:55:33.489 --> 00:55:35.849
as I could tell, they were pretty blank. Yeah,

00:55:36.010 --> 00:55:40.110
generic. Sick. Jordan's like, what? So, back

00:55:40.110 --> 00:55:45.079
to... Back to the CGI cat hair while Mitchell

00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:50.739
chokes on his beer. The cat hair was blended

00:55:50.739 --> 00:55:53.260
in nicely until you got to this one cat that

00:55:53.260 --> 00:55:56.780
had these eyebrows that were just boom. From

00:55:56.780 --> 00:55:59.300
all these trailers, it is just Uncanny Valley

00:55:59.300 --> 00:56:02.079
Central for me at least. It looks so weird. One

00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.699
cat had a gold tooth. Cool. Was he a pimp? It

00:56:05.699 --> 00:56:09.179
was a she, and she was supposed to be the muscle.

00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.840
She was supposed to be the muscle. That's how

00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.139
you know. Right, the gold tooth. Oh, this is

00:56:15.139 --> 00:56:18.360
the muscle cat. One thing I argue with musical

00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:23.320
theater stuff is I always feel like when they

00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.559
have dance showdowns, they make it ballet versus

00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:30.460
everything else. It just needs to appear superior,

00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:33.420
you know what I mean? Yeah. Okay, that's a really

00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:36.260
good note. And so our first cat that's supposed

00:56:36.260 --> 00:56:40.809
to be the heroine of the film... She does ballet.

00:56:41.230 --> 00:56:43.030
And so, like, it would be this one part where

00:56:43.030 --> 00:56:44.949
it's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to do this cool

00:56:44.949 --> 00:56:47.949
jazz move. And then she comes in and she's like,

00:56:48.050 --> 00:56:51.710
yeah, pirouette. Pirouette. And is that supposed

00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:53.610
to be superior? The pirouette? That's what it

00:56:53.610 --> 00:56:55.610
feels like, yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know if it's

00:56:55.610 --> 00:56:57.929
necessarily what they wanted, but it definitely

00:56:57.929 --> 00:57:01.929
comes across that way. Okay. Again, white savior

00:57:01.929 --> 00:57:05.190
plot. Because she is a white cat saving Jennifer

00:57:05.190 --> 00:57:08.789
Hudson. And who's very... Yeah. She's a black

00:57:08.789 --> 00:57:11.010
cat. Yeah. Yeah, right. Stands out a little bit

00:57:11.010 --> 00:57:15.329
like... Yeah, right, right. There's awkward sexualness.

00:57:16.329 --> 00:57:18.190
Lots of like... I was just about to ask. Cats

00:57:18.190 --> 00:57:20.889
can fuck. Yeah, cats... Also, are you a furry

00:57:20.889 --> 00:57:23.489
now? No, I'm not a furry. It turns out I am.

00:57:23.590 --> 00:57:25.750
Turns out Mitchell is. I have embraced this part

00:57:25.750 --> 00:57:27.590
of my life. Right, right, right. I don't know.

00:57:27.630 --> 00:57:31.900
I just wanted to know. The CGI feet. Oh, so you're

00:57:31.900 --> 00:57:34.760
a foot guy now. Got it. So is Quentin Tarantino.

00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.059
Right, Quentin Tarantino. You're in good company.

00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:41.559
So, no, this is my note about CGI feet. Assuming

00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:45.099
they are doing this stuff on a soundstage, they're

00:57:45.099 --> 00:57:47.840
probably wearing shoes. Right, right, right,

00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:50.719
right. So why do the CGI feet still look human

00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:55.199
-like? They did it on purpose. Yeah! So that

00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:56.739
was an artistic decision. Wow, that's a good

00:57:56.739 --> 00:57:58.119
point. That was an artistic decision. I'm like,

00:57:58.139 --> 00:58:00.420
no. We're going to keep the human feet. Yep.

00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.679
Yeah. Oh, God, what? Yeah. Like, if they took

00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.440
cat feet and, like, they had, like, human hands,

00:58:07.579 --> 00:58:11.340
which is fine if they, like, made it look a little

00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:13.699
cat -like. Like, I don't care about that. But

00:58:13.699 --> 00:58:16.260
the problem is they just, it was like, the CGI

00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:18.739
stopped here. Oh, wow. And they were, like, hands.

00:58:19.340 --> 00:58:22.440
Which I get, isn't that accurate to the costuming

00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.119
from the Broadway musical? I'm not sure if that's...

00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.400
I've never seen it. I thought they wore like

00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.880
gloves or something like that. I don't know.

00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:35.519
I'm really just trying to defend this movie in

00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.579
some way. Again, I haven't seen the actual stage

00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:41.179
musical so I can't say but I would think they

00:58:41.179 --> 00:58:43.079
would wear some kind of gloves so that it just

00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.340
more so than anything doesn't stand out. But

00:58:46.340 --> 00:58:49.539
I don't know. The opening, they did a lot of

00:58:49.539 --> 00:58:52.460
disorientation and like yeah it was part of it

00:58:52.460 --> 00:58:55.099
but at the same time it was just like What the

00:58:55.099 --> 00:59:00.199
hell? I feel like I just got vertigo. Dancing

00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:05.679
faced cockroaches and mice. I hate it. So I saw

00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:07.679
a gif. It's the only thing I've seen in this

00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.179
movie besides the initial trailer was a gif of

00:59:10.179 --> 00:59:14.079
Rebel Wilson like a machine coming up and taking

00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.539
off her skin and revealing a new dress underneath

00:59:16.539 --> 00:59:20.280
and a bunch of marching cockroaches. That was

00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.519
nightmare fuel from those 20 seconds. I was like,

00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:26.730
what the fuck? So, but cats don't shed. No, they

00:59:26.730 --> 00:59:28.969
don't. Like, or at least not like a snake. No,

00:59:28.989 --> 00:59:33.940
no, no. But she had like a... sparkly one -piece

00:59:33.940 --> 00:59:37.219
thing that was just like on. But she threw her

00:59:37.219 --> 00:59:41.599
skin off. She literally zipped down the middle

00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:44.860
of her chest and threw off her skin to reveal

00:59:44.860 --> 00:59:47.099
another set of skin with a one -piece dress underneath.

00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.079
I can see how that works on Broadway, but not

00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:50.840
in a movie. That's the thing. They're trying

00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.400
to go for a very Broadway -style thing, but because

00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.719
they decided to do the Uncanny Valley CGI monster

00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.019
-ness, it looks fucking weird. Why didn't they

00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:00.420
do that? And then my final thing about this movie

01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:04.670
is the last song was sung by judy dench and she

01:00:04.670 --> 01:00:07.110
just all of a sudden she's singing this song

01:00:07.110 --> 01:00:10.489
and then she turns to the camera okay and it's

01:00:10.489 --> 01:00:12.789
the last song and they have this awkward fourth

01:00:12.789 --> 01:00:15.769
wall break where it's just like a cat is not

01:00:15.769 --> 01:00:20.789
a dog okay we all knew that What is that supposed

01:00:20.789 --> 01:00:22.170
to mean? Yeah, what does that mean? That's the

01:00:22.170 --> 01:00:24.170
song. I don't know. Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote

01:00:24.170 --> 01:00:25.869
this. I don't know. Okay. What's your thoughts

01:00:25.869 --> 01:00:28.409
on him, by the way? Because Kelly, who is also

01:00:28.409 --> 01:00:32.090
into Broadway, feels he is so overrated. Like,

01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:35.030
immensely overrated. Like, if you look at the...

01:00:35.030 --> 01:00:36.969
Because he's so prolific, he's done a lot of

01:00:36.969 --> 01:00:39.809
things. But if you were to do a ratio of good

01:00:39.809 --> 01:00:42.449
to bad... There's so many things that are good.

01:00:42.889 --> 01:00:45.170
Yeah. And I guess it's hardly... I don't know.

01:00:45.250 --> 01:00:50.400
Like, she can name these better than I can. Were

01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.460
you an Andrew Lloyd Webber fan going into this?

01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.780
I liked Andrew Lloyd Webber. I'll say this. The

01:00:55.780 --> 01:00:57.539
Phantom of the Opera is great. Evita is great.

01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.059
Jesus Christ Superstar is weird, but it's good.

01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:05.159
Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Drinko. That's

01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:09.110
great. Gotcha. I'm, like, looking at all this

01:01:09.110 --> 01:01:11.070
stuff going, like... And he's done a lot, though.

01:01:11.170 --> 01:01:14.389
He did School of Rocks to make it go to Broadway,

01:01:14.750 --> 01:01:17.150
you know? Yeah, I saw that. But then he has things

01:01:17.150 --> 01:01:19.369
like Starlight Express, which is completely on

01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:24.090
roller skates. He does Cats. Yeah. And, I don't

01:01:24.090 --> 01:01:27.769
know. He has so much good, so much bad. It's

01:01:27.769 --> 01:01:29.510
hard. It's hard. And he's been around forever.

01:01:29.670 --> 01:01:31.510
Like, he's still doing it. He's a weird dude.

01:01:31.650 --> 01:01:35.739
Incredible. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So... What

01:01:35.739 --> 01:01:37.860
are your thoughts on this? It sounds like you're

01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:40.219
probably leaning on the negative side. Just a

01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:42.800
little bit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If we have

01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:46.300
to sit here, I'm going to go zero cats out of

01:01:46.300 --> 01:01:50.440
five dogs. Whoa! A hardcore zero. Hardcore zero.

01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.260
Wow, hardcore. Whoa! There's so many things they

01:01:53.260 --> 01:01:56.110
could have done to make this better. that they

01:01:56.110 --> 01:01:58.050
just didn't. Wait, have you done a zero before?

01:01:58.230 --> 01:01:59.590
Yes. Because I know you've seen bad movies. Yes.

01:01:59.590 --> 01:02:01.750
Okay, what's the other zero? The other zero is

01:02:01.750 --> 01:02:03.909
Yoga Hosers. Yoga Hosers, that's right. And I

01:02:03.909 --> 01:02:06.550
would take this over Yoga Hosers because at least

01:02:06.550 --> 01:02:08.590
this tried to be good. You really hate that movie.

01:02:08.690 --> 01:02:11.449
I do. Can you give it like a .25 then? Just a,

01:02:11.489 --> 01:02:13.889
well, whatever. Sure, we'll give it a .25. Sure,

01:02:13.969 --> 01:02:17.309
that's fine. I'll give it a .25. But it's, like,

01:02:17.670 --> 01:02:21.469
if you're looking for comparison, Yoga Hosers

01:02:21.469 --> 01:02:24.760
is still worst. What did the Lion movie get?

01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.500
A 1, I think. A 1 out of 5 because they did make

01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:32.059
a movie and it was, you know, whatever. It happened.

01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:35.679
It happened. I don't remember my exact rating,

01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.280
but it may be a .5. That's awesome. I would still

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:41.719
say Leo the Lion is probably better because they

01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.159
at least made it fully animated versus this.

01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:50.340
Oh my god, wow. Leo the Lion over Cats. Damn.

01:02:50.900 --> 01:02:54.820
Well, here's to that. So, cats. Cats. Cats. Meow.

01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:57.199
I'm going to make you all sit through something

01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.820
bad. So, are we going to play a game with T -Dog?

01:03:00.940 --> 01:03:03.099
Or are we just going to do something here? Like,

01:03:03.099 --> 01:03:04.820
I don't know. T -Dog's seen a lot of bad movies.

01:03:04.940 --> 01:03:07.380
He has. Should we make him suffer? No. No, it's

01:03:07.380 --> 01:03:09.340
fine. It's been a while for me. Yeah, it's been

01:03:09.340 --> 01:03:11.500
a while for me, too. I'll put you two in the

01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:14.219
ring. I'm fine with that. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:17.960
Well, we'll figure that out. Can I? I'm going

01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.019
to say something real quick. We are recording

01:03:21.019 --> 01:03:24.219
this the day after Kobe Bryant, Gianna, and a

01:03:24.219 --> 01:03:26.760
whole lot of other people died in a helicopter

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.079
crash. And since this is a movie podcast, I work

01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:34.340
in sports. I'm not revealing where, but I work

01:03:34.340 --> 01:03:38.360
in sports. Yep. And that affected me in a very

01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.820
close way yesterday because I was a huge basketball

01:03:41.820 --> 01:03:44.519
fan, not necessarily Lakers or Kobe, but this

01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:47.019
is a guy, ever since I remember watching the

01:03:47.019 --> 01:03:50.480
NBA, Kobe had been there. Yeah. maintained a

01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.079
pretty relevant standing in the public eye even

01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.739
after retirement and for this passing to happen

01:03:55.739 --> 01:03:58.719
is devastating and i think one way if you're

01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.619
a fan of movies um is to you know just like to

01:04:02.619 --> 01:04:04.840
look back on all of his work post -retirement

01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:08.179
and one of which that he uh did and won an oscar

01:04:08.179 --> 01:04:12.599
for was deer basketball um and you know he was

01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.219
a guy who was you could see in the way he played

01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:18.300
the game and a lot of writers are uh making pieces

01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:21.039
about it right now but he was basketball's ultimate

01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:25.019
storyteller you know with the way he um just

01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:28.840
the way that he played basketball it was emulant

01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.139
of mj but also he had like a second act to his

01:04:32.139 --> 01:04:34.940
to his career post shack like there's a lot of

01:04:35.449 --> 01:04:38.530
ups and downs to his career, and ultimately he

01:04:38.530 --> 01:04:41.510
decided to go into storytelling in his retirement,

01:04:41.670 --> 01:04:43.269
which I think says a lot because he could have

01:04:43.269 --> 01:04:46.690
done literally anything. He could have. That's

01:04:46.690 --> 01:04:49.630
just one of the hardest parts about this is that

01:04:49.630 --> 01:04:53.190
I feel like his career post -basketball was going

01:04:53.190 --> 01:04:56.139
to be... almost as much as it was going to be

01:04:56.139 --> 01:04:59.099
something huge. He was already having so much

01:04:59.099 --> 01:05:01.539
momentum, and a lot of NBA players, once they

01:05:01.539 --> 01:05:03.260
retire, they kind of leave the limelight, they

01:05:03.260 --> 01:05:05.340
become private citizens, but Kobe wasn't satisfied

01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:08.239
with that. He was still trying to do more, and

01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:11.440
he was succeeding at that. He was. I feel like

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:16.820
we lost a lot of potential with having his life

01:05:16.820 --> 01:05:20.849
cut short like this. I'm still trying to... it

01:05:20.849 --> 01:05:22.889
doesn't feel real it doesn't feel at all exactly

01:05:22.889 --> 01:05:25.610
and i'll be honest like with kobe like once i

01:05:25.610 --> 01:05:28.170
heard he died it was struggling to find out like

01:05:28.170 --> 01:05:30.570
is this real like you know i was reading on twitter

01:05:30.570 --> 01:05:32.949
initially so i'm like this has to be a hoax and

01:05:32.949 --> 01:05:36.690
then obviously it became real the emotions didn't

01:05:36.690 --> 01:05:38.929
hit me until i read that gianna was also in the

01:05:38.929 --> 01:05:41.389
helicopter yeah and that is someone i remember

01:05:41.389 --> 01:05:44.730
very vividly being like playing with her dad

01:05:44.730 --> 01:05:48.449
on the court before a lakers game And her life

01:05:48.449 --> 01:05:52.309
is done at 13? 13. No, that was him in the years

01:05:52.309 --> 01:05:55.510
lived was 2006 to 2020. And, like, that is awful.

01:05:56.190 --> 01:05:58.030
Just tragic. But I will say this. The beautiful

01:05:58.030 --> 01:06:01.090
part of his life, a lot of it is momentary. Then

01:06:01.090 --> 01:06:04.710
most any of us will ever live. And you're able

01:06:04.710 --> 01:06:06.929
to celebrate it in pretty much any accessible

01:06:06.929 --> 01:06:10.800
way. and including his work in Dear Basketball,

01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.400
since this is a movie podcast. Mike, you posted

01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.800
this earlier on our Instagram feed of Give This

01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:18.900
a Watch. It is a beautiful piece of art, and

01:06:18.900 --> 01:06:21.659
it was Oscar -worthy and Oscar -winning. And

01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:25.099
it's very available, too, which is nice about

01:06:25.099 --> 01:06:29.019
it. I like the movies that are, you can see that

01:06:29.019 --> 01:06:32.699
it's something that was spread. Why spread? So

01:06:32.699 --> 01:06:34.900
that you can find it, you can watch it, you can

01:06:34.900 --> 01:06:38.619
take it in. It's something that is not hard to

01:06:38.619 --> 01:06:41.599
find. If you ever loved something as dearly as

01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.940
Kobe loved his profession and as anything that

01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:47.179
he loved as close as his daughters and his wife,

01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.679
Dear Basketball kind of sums all that up. Which

01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:55.199
I think is a beautiful thing. So, yes. Yeah.

01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:59.360
That's it. That's it. You watch Cats, too. I

01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.179
watch Cats. And the gentleman. I need a good

01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:05.820
movie in my life. What is your aggregate score?

01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:08.920
So it was zero or is it a quarter for Cats? It's

01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:10.780
a quarter and a two. Quarter and two. So you

01:07:10.780 --> 01:07:14.820
got like a 1 .25, whatever, out of, yeah. It's

01:07:14.820 --> 01:07:16.960
rough. It's no bueno. Your aggregate for your

01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.519
two movies was really good. 4 .25. I mean, yeah,

01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:21.480
it was Lord of the Rings. Your aggregate for

01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.400
everything. Well, poor Nat. Well, no, no. If

01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:26.570
you were to rate all those movies. Oh, God. You

01:07:26.570 --> 01:07:28.550
said earlier? Yeah, Little Women's number four

01:07:28.550 --> 01:07:30.230
on my list, and that's four and a half as well.

01:07:30.409 --> 01:07:34.849
Yep. 1917 is probably a four. That's number eight

01:07:34.849 --> 01:07:36.230
overall, I think. So you're probably sitting

01:07:36.230 --> 01:07:39.130
at a 4 .25 overall. Oh, I'm chilling. I'm chilling.

01:07:39.150 --> 01:07:41.250
I've seen some really great movies lately, and

01:07:41.250 --> 01:07:42.050
I'm very happy for this time of year. There's

01:07:42.050 --> 01:07:45.530
some movies on my list. Well, boys. Boys. We

01:07:45.530 --> 01:07:49.130
need to knock you down a peg. Oh, shit. So. How

01:07:49.130 --> 01:07:50.289
are we going to determine this? Yeah, right.

01:07:50.429 --> 01:07:55.239
What's the plan? Off mic, get in. Oh, nice, dude.

01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:57.639
Oh, sick. So the joke is his name is Michael.

01:07:57.940 --> 01:08:00.440
Yeah. And then sometimes you're called Mike when

01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.320
you go by Michael. And then there's also a microphone.

01:08:03.980 --> 01:08:06.360
Right, right, right. And you complained about

01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.480
Mike. Oh, shit. Dude, I'm telling you. There's

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.360
layers to this. You complained about my joke.

01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:14.860
You know, like I said, I was kind of like, while

01:08:14.860 --> 01:08:16.359
we were talking about cats, I was like, man,

01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:20.039
that pun was really bad of the podcast. And I

01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:21.039
was like, I don't know if I want to do this.

01:08:21.100 --> 01:08:22.520
But then you brought it home, and I'm like, this

01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:25.420
is why we record. Yeah, all the bad puns are

01:08:25.420 --> 01:08:26.439
the friends we made along the way. Right, right,

01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:29.000
right. Exactly. Yes. Absolutely. So seriously,

01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:30.159
are we going to do this? We're going to do this

01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:34.520
off mic. Off mic. Off mic. For your host, Mike.

01:08:35.170 --> 01:08:37.529
Andre. Mitchell. Thank you for listening to another

01:08:37.529 --> 01:08:40.390
Game for a Movie podcast. Yes, I'm going to make

01:08:40.390 --> 01:08:43.029
it again. God damn it. Suck it. Fuck. Suck it.

01:08:43.149 --> 01:08:46.270
God damn it. We'll see you next time on Game

01:08:46.270 --> 01:08:49.750
for a Movie. Hashtag cancel mic. Fuck mic. Just

01:08:49.750 --> 01:08:50.630
fucking hate you.