You know what that sound means? It's another
episode of Game for a Movie where we ask, are
you game for a movie? My name is Mike. I'll be
your host this evening. I am joined by a very
special guest. It is Captain Nemo. No, it's Zach.
Captain Nemo. I'm back again. Zach, welcome back.
Thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm happy
to have you. Say that again. I'm happy to have
you on the show. That's it. Guys, I got the name
for it. uh -oh glad to have you on the show oh
my god this movie yes this movie um this is a
very special episode by the way this is episode
100 of the game for a movie podcast uh where
we ask are you game for a movie um we have dealt
with probably at least 80 bad movies at this
point yeah Cause like we, we did for a while
do like some good shows and like we have our
quizzes and stuff. I don't know. 20 episodes
seems about right. 25 maybe. So about 75 bad
movies. Sure. There might be up there as one
of the worst, especially in your mind. Yeah.
Yeah. I texted you earlier and I said, I think
I owe master disguise and apology. Cause when
I came on that, I said that was the worst movie
I've ever seen. It's. I think Master of Disguise
is still worse, but you'll hear that episode
two weeks from now. Yeah. Or three weeks. I don't
know timing. But yeah. So first we're going to
jump into what we are drinking because we do
that on the show. So Zach, do you got something
over there? I have water again. Okay. That's
okay. Yeah. Stay hydrated. That's okay. I have
a random beer I grabbed from the shelf at the
grocery store. This is from Burial Beer Company.
It is the beloved ceremony of condemnation. Huh.
I don't know if you can see with the... Yeah,
it's kind of faded, but this is a very cool can
art. The can's cool. Is condemnation spelled
weird or anything? No. Condemnation. Yeah. It's
an eye that has this bridge to what looks like
a Grim Reaper in a field of flowers. I don't
know. All right. It's Burial Beer Company. They
have weird names, they have good beer, and they
have awesome canner. So, yeah. Trial beer. Exactly.
How can you be mad with that? All right, so as
it is episode 100, and that is divisible by four,
and we think that's fantastic. It is fantastic.
And because there's a certain movie that came
out this past weekend, it is time for us to talk
about Fantastic Four from 2015. oh what a dark
year did did you like put two and two together
that uh every 10 years there's been a new yeah
okay there's been a new iteration of fantastic
four kind of like pennywise returning to dairy
fantastic four rears its head every 10 years
i meant to look this up before was it like a
fox rights thing like where you know how with
like spider -man okay cool that's what i thought
it was It was going to expire later in 2015.
So they had to get this out in the summer to
keep those rights. That feels about right. The
irony of that is palpable. Yes. You know what
I mean? Exactly. So we're talking the 2015 version.
Just a couple of the names here that you may
be seeing. Josh Trank was the director and one
of the three writers on this show or movie. Um,
our main four are Miles Teller, Kate Mara, Michael
B. Jordan, Jamie Bell. Uh, we've also got Toby
Kebbell and Reggie Cathy. I think I'm pronouncing
that right. And Tim Blake Nelson. So those are
some of the big ones. Um, it also was a little
weird that Tim Heidecker was in this and was
like the drunk dad. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was kind
of, it threw me for a second. I'm not gonna lie,
but, uh, yeah this before tim and eric awesome
show um i would think it would be right around
that time yeah it must have been around the same
time right because he's also an ant -man yes
he is yeah eric is too they have both of them
in there they got both of them in as like cameos
um so tim and eric awesome show debuted Well,
Tim and Eric's bedtime stories were 2013 to 2017.
Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job is 2007 to
2017. So it had been around for a bit. Yeah.
Before this nightmare. I just pulled up, because
you said 2015. I was like, what else came out
in 2015? Inside Out came out in 2015. Great.
Truman. Okay. Mad Max Fury Road. Okay, great.
Creed also came out in 2015. What a year for
Michael B. Jordan, huh? That's two very opposite
movies on the spectrum. Yeah, Mission Impossible,
Rogue Nation. Okay, not my favorite, but good.
Even Star Wars Force Awakens, 2015. I forgot
that came out in 2015. So yeah, it's not a bad
year for movies, except for... One, notable.
This one, this... turn that got dropped on us
um i kind of so like usually on the show we talk
about like all the details of it and everything
like that and i still want to kind of do that
but it's also weird because everybody kind of
knows the origin story they changed it a little
bit for sure it still feels like the same fantastic
four we grew up with are we talking about the
portal you mean or the origin of the movie well
i was talking about the origin of the actual
fantastic four the origin of the movie yeah go
ahead nerd glasses real quick okay it is the
origin story from the ultimate universe you know
like the ultimate fantastic four and ultimate
avengers okay it's way closer to that that was
a lab accident instead of the spaceship instead
of the spaceship going to planet zero or whatever
and whatever Yeah, exactly. I know in the 2005
one they went to a random planet and they were
fixing a problem and Cosmic Storm made them their
powers. This is along those same lines, but we
take a while to get there. Yeah, about 40 minutes
if I remember correctly. And this is an hour
40 of a movie. Yeah. That's a lot of what I remember
people talking about was it finally felt like
the movie got going and then it was over. And
then it was over. And yeah, they didn't even
have a third act until about halfway through
shooting the movie. And that third act, yeah.
But we start as all good stories do with a little
seven years earlier and learning about the friendship
of Reed Richards and Ben Grimm. Yep. Including
things like Reed Richards. He talks about his
career that he wants. He wants to create this
teleporter. Yeah. That's it. He wants to invent
teleportation. We don't know why he wants to
do teleporter, where the idea came from, how
he's the smartest kid in there. He just wants
a teleporter. Right. That's it. And basically
in that class is Ben Grimm, who kind of is...
excited by the idea likes the idea of it and
he also is their family runs the local junkyard
and let's not skip the fact that chet hanks is
his older brother yes who comes to beat him up
and says it's clobbering time yeah so this is
the first sign that in this movie all fun and
happiness and joy is going to be sucked out of
the fantastic four and anything you like of it
we're going to turn into like a dark ink blot
you know what i mean like yeah clobbering time
is fun and now it's what your older brother says
when he abuses you before your mom comes and
starts hitting him yeah right exactly yeah yeah
he she did come in like just immediately start
wailing yeah just wailing and we skipped over
the fact that dan castellana the voice of Homer
Simpson is probably the worst science teacher
ever. Like he pulls reads up there presenting
his teleporter idea. And he just starts like
making fun of him. Right. Talking about a flying
car and everything like that. And that he needs
to come back with a real career. Yeah. Okay.
Yes. He didn't have it quite as career, but it's
a scientist. He just wanted to be a scientist
like that science class. It's not like he's in
gym or something talking, you know? Yeah. I thought
we were going to get a little bit of the 21 Jump
Street, by the way, of how Ben and Reed kind
of like learn from each other to pass the test
and learn from each other to like stand up to
the bully kind of thing. We didn't get that.
Thank God. That'd be fun. We can't have that.
It would be fun. No fun had in this movie. um
so it's now seven years later because it's we're
in 2000 that was 2007 right because they said
it was sitting there but like the classroom looked
like it was from the 80s yes to me yeah it definitely
definitely looked older but i mean i that could
just be a public school like could be could be
uh yeah so now we're in high school yes We were
in high school and they are at a science fair
where they're going to demonstrate how their
teleporter works. I also forgot that Reed, the
first time they tried it, they kind of caused
a blackout when it was 2007. And he just kept
saying to himself, don't blow up. Don't blow
up. Yeah. And Ben was there because he helped
him steal a transformer from the junkyard. What'd
they call it? A power converter? Power converter.
And he stole it from a car and it looked bigger
than the car. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was
just a transformer from like a power line, right?
Right. Yeah. Like that was a full thing. Oh,
Nintendo 64 stack. I can't believe I jumped over
that. Oh yeah. Yeah. There was, yeah, that was
pretty good too. But yeah, so they're at the
science fair. They proved that it works. They
forgot their model car, which I thought was pretty
funny. um plan this whole thing and you forget
like the one thing you're going to test it with
so they just grab a kid's model airplane and
it works zap it somewhere yep they zap it somewhere
and they bring it back and it's just covered
in dirt and they're just like yeah it worked
cool and they are now disqualified right they
don't want magic they want real science i'm like
what's how is this okay that's fine also dan
has followed him to high school Yes, he is. Like
Mr. Feeney following them through middle school
to high school. He didn't want to stay in one
spot. He wanted to grow as a science teacher.
I don't think that's happened yet. But it just
so happens that at the same science fair is Sue
Storm and Dr. Franklin Storm. Do they just go
to science fairs? Yeah. They must just like to
see what weirdos are going to show up with like,
hopefully a teleporter. Hopefully a teleporter.
The one project they've been working on. Had
they heard of it? And how did he know the details
of like, because Franklin starts asking him like,
oh, so you built this in your garage? He didn't
even mention that in his little spiel. Never
happened. Just all of a sudden it was like, oh
yeah, you built this in a garage. Cool. Tony
Stark built this in a cave. You're exactly right
though. Like it, it never gets brought up that
he built this in the garage. And then when they're
looking at it and they see it and everything
like that, they offer him a full ride scholarship
to the Baxter Institute. Why didn't Ben get offered?
I don't know. He at least seems to have working
knowledge of what's going on. He may not know
the math and the science, but he's close enough
to it. He's been with him for years working on
this. And like the thing he was like early on,
he handed him like a Swiss army knife and stuff
like that. Like he knew he was going to strip
the screws or whatever, you know, like, so he,
he may not be like the science part, but he's
definitely like the manufacturing part. Yeah.
Yeah. he's the one that keeps pushing Reed to
do the next thing. And he'll come back later
when the teleporter is done. Yeah. Just to keep
helping. Yeah. So they just looked at him and
said, you get a scholarship. You don't. Yeah.
We have no clue who did what, but we're just
going to assume it was this kid. Yep. Oh, he's
wearing glasses. Maybe that's what it is. Oh,
that's it. Yeah. Yeah. He did have glasses. So,
you know, ben you gotta wear glasses next time
and i think this was the only joke in the movie
i laughed at okay was when the little he gives
the plane back to the little kid and he looks
like you're a dick like that yes that was a good
one yeah little kids cussing i guess is always
funny yeah that that's what gets you on that
one um so yeah ben also helps reed move in to
the baxter institute yeah how much out oh this
is a weird question jamie bell playing ben graham
looks like he's like six years older than reed
yes he does he's thrown by that the whole time
i mean i got to imagine jamie bell is probably
older than miles teller was at this point because
at this point miles teller probably had two maybe
three movies under his belt you know what he
did right before this whiplash whiplash yeah
i feel like that was like in production when
that happened but what a what a wild swing for
him it's also weird i just pulled up jamie bell
and i mean good for him on some of these things
that he's been in and everything like that but
what threw me is in his top four is this um all
of us strangers jumper and then he was billy
and billy elliott that's in 2000. so wait tom
holland was also billy and billy elliott in the
musical right yes broadway yep that's a that's
a fun little marvel connection right there right
exactly yeah that's a strange one miles teller
is a year older than jamie bell he doesn't look
at me no he doesn't so i'm trying to think okay
so miles teller had whiplash he probably had
war dogs and what else might he have had um I
don't want to get spectacular now. I don't want
to get like too far down the rabbit hole about
everything he's done, but I'm just sure. Yeah.
He also, I forgot he was in the divergent series.
I completely forgot about that. Oh my God. Uh,
project X. Yeah. Oh, he was in one episode of
the unusuals. Oh, I like that. Yeah. But the
point was, yeah. The cast in this movie is wild.
yes it's fantastic it's fantastic yeah say that
again no i don't want to i'll say it later it's
a wonderful cat like it is i don't blame anyone
that's on screen for what happens no and all
of them would want to be a part of this project
like none of them knew what was going to happen
or anything like that and all of the casting
i could see all of these in a better written
script succeeding yeah i actually think my worst
casting of this one is miles teller and yeah
sure not not because i don't like him as an actor
or anything like that but just he doesn't fit
the nerd type to me yeah it's like in barbie
when they made the joke about um margot supposedly
to be not attractive yeah right narrator is like
this is stupid it doesn't make any sense yeah
right like he's not this nerdy science guy. Right.
And it's, it's still not distracting by any means.
Like he still fits kind of the Reed Richards
kind of thing. But yeah, it's, it's definitely
strange to see him as the nerd type. Ben helps
him move into the Baxter Institute. He gives
him the pocket knife. That was a nice little
gesture. And then first day, of course he goes
to the library. And of course, who's there? Sue
Storm. Sue Storm. Who he proceeds to mansplain
books to. Yes. Who then, she womansplains music
back to him. Well, she neurodivergent spectrum
explains music to him. Yes, exactly. No, and
like why she likes music and everything like
that. That's like the big defining feature is
she likes music. And I get it. Yeah. And patterns.
Yes. And patterns. That was the big thing. I
also didn't know it at this point, but I kind
of felt it was going that way. I really felt
like this is here. Sue storm, the movie, like
in, in so many instances, they would be doing
something and then all of a sudden she'd just
be there. So it was, it was kind of like, huh
she's always just kind of the like i'm here because
of this i'm here because of that like they found
a reason to put her somewhere yeah and i think
we'll talk about this later around this point
it started to become very evident to me that
there was going to be nothing the characters
did to drive the story forward and this is like
really critical maybe not quite as but like there's
no character growth there's no character motivation
there's no faults that push the story forward
it's just we're moving beat by beat and we have
to get to this one he's got to run in the zoo
so let's put him in a library because they're
both nerds yep this movie feels like it should
have been four hours long and then they got told
we're making this an hour and 40 minutes sure
and so they just kind of like and here this this
this this but you're exactly right i think that's
what i felt like watching this movie you know
the whole like climax pyramid kind of thing or
triangle yeah like that but this is a movie where
i felt each and every step where you can just
see he needs to run into sue okay there needs
to be this there needs to be that there needs
to be this and it just it felt like each step
i felt it I knew exactly what they were doing.
You could see the pattern of it almost. We have
to get to the next step. I think Josh Trank doesn't
like comic book movies. I don't think he likes
comic books. You know what I mean? It's possible.
If he didn't do Chronicle, I would say it's possible.
Chronicle feels like a good comic book movie
that's not a comic book movie. Chronicle is a
fantastic movie. I just kept going back to while
I was watching this. It's just like, man, this,
that sucks. Yep. Apparently he wanted to make
this a sequel to Chronicle, like have the same
universe. And Fox was like, absolutely not. You
can't connect your stuff to Marvel stuff. And
he kind of does it anyway, especially when they
end up on earth or zero or planet zero zero.
Yeah. Like the crystals look a lot like the crystals
from. Okay. He had never read fantastic four
or didn't keep up with it. jeremy slater did
who was the first guy that was writing it yes
and what i i did not i i knew jeremy slater was
like a big fantastic four fan i did not know
that josh trank hadn't like stayed up with it
or anything like that yeah no i don't think he
read from what i could find i don't think he
read any of it so slater was right in the first
draft okay and what was happening behind the
scenes he Trank kept trying to insert his objections
and push it towards the darker stuff like Chronicle.
And they would get studio notes. And Joshua would
pass those over to Jeremy. He would just do the
rewrites himself. And then send that back to
Jeremy to write the next part. So they were kind
of like button heads the whole time. Okay. Yeah.
If you have a co -writer and you're not telling
them and you just do it yourself and you don't
know the source material, you're going to have
a bad time. But then Slater got sick of it and
peaced out. Do you know who they brought in next?
Simon Kinberg? Simon Kinberg. Do you know what
else he wrote? I don't. Dark Phoenix. That's
my one example. Oof. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's
a big oof. But at least he's a comic book fan.
Still. You know, that's something. Days of Future
Past he was a producer on. Yeah, I guess. And
I'm looking at some of his stuff. He wrote the
screenplay for 355. um x -men apocalypse this
means war sherlock holmes oh my god triple x
state of the union baby yeah man oh no this guy
on uh when when slater left they only had the
first two acts that they hadn't started the third
act go straight in like what he wrote and kenberg
came in to help finish the movie jesus we haven't
got to that point yet but when it makes a dramatic
turn from a comic book movie to a body horror
movie kenberg was the writer now okay that makes
a lot of sense that does not belong in this movie
um so we also meet at this point or get a little
more intro to franklin storm dr franklin storm
uh he is in trouble with the board when we first
meet him that is being run by uh uh who is Dr.
Harvey. Sorry, I'm just all over the place with
my notes and everything like that. He's basically
defending the fact that he takes these kids into
the Baxter Institute, including Victor Von Doom,
who was already there and got busted for something.
We don't know what, but busted for something.
Dr. Harvey is not on board. dr franklin wants
to bring him in because he knows this is the
kid he's going to help us get it done is he's
only willing to play ball because sue's there
yes by the way yeah uh can i also say is he a
shut -in i would say so right like at least the
way we're first introduced to him and i think
all the kids except johnny we're supposed to
believe are either orphans or were like abandoned
by their families so johnny is franklin's kid
yes he was adopted yep and i maybe since victor
but it seemed like victor's was an orphan living
at the baxter right which yeah that definitely
seemed like so he had his own room and franklin
would bring him groceries and it just seemed
like he was a shut -in like he wasn't he's got
the eye thing that lets him control those shutters
in the door yeah right yeah um and i mean that
makes sense because like okay ben wasn't attending
the baxter institute but his family definitely
let him go um and reed's parents just like kind
of said do what you do and just don't don't yeah
don't turn off the uh the game while i'm watching
it yeah and yeah i think the only interaction
we saw was his stepdad yelling at him as he ran
out of the house so exactly um I also love the
fact, so we're talking about the fact that they
just so happen to be working on this project.
Victor also has the same idea and just so happens
to have the same kind of idea of it. And he's
just, he's also on board because he wants to
see the guy that ripped him off because he thinks
he just stole his idea. And I think this is the
first time continuity gets thrown off because
of the reshoots. Okay. Cause we saw Victor a
second ago, shut in looking long, shaggy hair
or the thing. Next time we see him at the lab,
two minutes later, haircut, shave beard. It's
like perfectly like neat and trim. Yeah. It could
just be, he got a haircut. That's fine too. But
there's so many other places we haven't gotten
to the first time. We see Kate Mara and her blonde
wig. Yes. Our miles with the beard. He refused
to cut. Exactly. It's also strange because I
don't know how much time passes in this movie
at all. Except for the seven years in one year.
Otherwise, we don't know anything. Because when
we first get introduced to Johnny, Johnny is...
I may be skipping a little ahead just because.
But when we first get introduced to Johnny, he
is in a street race. And his dad's trying to
call him and get his attention. And he breaks
his arm. And it's like one scene of putting this
stuff together. He's in a sling. And then after
that, no more broken arm. Never. All I have in
my notes is Michael B drag racing. I had that.
He was drag racing in a busted Toyota. Yeah.
I was like, how are you going to blow your transmission
in fourth gear? But the only other line, cause
I feel like it's. I felt like there's an important
line that I was, I was jumping ahead because
of Michael B. Jordan, but like when Victor's
talking about like the, maybe the world doesn't
need saving because of like what the earth has
done and everything. And she goes, whoa, Dr.
Doom over here. Yeah. Roll credits. Not quite
though. Not quite. I think this is where we get
the Hitler joke too. Cause apparently Johnny
has history with doom. They don't like each other.
Yes, he called Adolf when he first, yeah, walks
in. Yeah, that is true because, and that is actually
a good reoccurring bit in my mind when he starts
calling him different names than Victor. Like,
there was another one he called him. It was,
oh, I can't remember, but he called him Adolf
at that one point. And, you know, it's just Johnny
being Johnny. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it's
funny. Yeah, so they have a montage of the team
trying to come together and work well. And one
of the things that Johnny's working on is welding.
Is welding. That's the thing. I kept catching
things. They were so proud of themselves for
foreshadowing. Because Ben said rocks the first
time when they were kids. He's like, it turned
into rocks. I didn't even think of that. That's
funny. Yeah, so they did that. They did the fact
that he was welding. The music in the sound waves
is supposed to be how she's controlling the...
Oh, shut up. Yeah, but that's what it is. It's
sound waves. And so all of these things, and
there's one more example that comes up in a little
bit, but all of them have this foreshadowing
scene, and it drove me insane because each one
I'm just kind of like, come on now. We're having
him weld. What was Reed's stretchy thing? So
Reed's is coming up the first time they're on
a planet zero. Oh, okay. So I'll get to it. Okay.
But I watched this with my kids again, cause
they were pretty funny. You'll see in the future
episode with master disguise. And June was just
like, for real, what are all these tubes? Is
that all they're doing is just making tubes.
Everything's just tubes. Yes. And then. we get
the we get the whole thing where they're showing
all the work and then it cuts to them and then
it cuts back and we get a different time lapse
of everything they built coming together it's
just like yeah and my favorite part about this
is like there's a um there's a scene where sue
comes over and like reed is falling asleep and
she's like you can go to sleep you know and he's
just like oh sorry it's just like rest of my
eyes whatever and they have like a cute moment
victor catches them and victor is like you're
being very unprofessional like the two of you
in here and everything like that the project's
not done yet and reads like no it's done oh okay
okay it's just done this project is done good
okay yeah um it just makes me laugh because like
they just want victor and reed to be at each
other's throats and they had only a short amount
of time to do it yeah and so there's like these
moments where it feels very artificial where
victor's just like i'm just gonna be mad at you
just to be mad at you yeah during the time lapse
he's like erasing his math and rewriting it and
then they just do the opposite like two frames
later yep exactly that's exactly it where reed
erases write something down and they're pointing
at the thing and oh yeah yeah that makes sense
uh right right after that time read text ben
to tell him hey we did it we couldn't have done
it without you which doesn't make sense they
did it without him um go ahead i think you're
gonna point out the same thing yeah like he's
so happy for his friends he breaks all physics
in the movie like he just loses his backpack
his earphones he goes outside it's at 27 36 if
anybody's wants to see this continuity error
i'm talking about uh that's not actually what
i was going to talk about but that's so fun that's
also great he's pushing his bike in yeah got
ear pods he's got the bike backpack his brothers
are sitting at a table and then he's looking
then he looks at his phone then it cuts back
he's outside no bike no backpack no earpods no
people behind him i didn't catch that at all
oh my god that's amazing yeah that's definitely
um what i was going to point out was i was looking
at the phone and there's only like three messages
total between these two and it's just read like
it's just read sending texts like miss you buddy
work hard today that's so funny couldn't have
done it without you picture No, I got stuck in
a loop just rewinding it, trying to make sense
of the continuity thing. I missed that part.
I did not see that at all. I need to go back
and find this. You said, what, 27, 13? 27, 36.
36, okay. 27, 36. All right. That requires me
to go back. I don't know if I want to. I don't.
That's amazing. I didn't notice that at all.
Yeah, I was just noticing the four texts on their
chain. All right. So now, as we said, the project
is finished. It's testing day. Dr. Harvey comes
with the rest of the board. They're ready. They're
going to test this out with this awful CGI monkey
that just sits there. Yeah. Like that's all he
does. They put them in one of the tubes, close
the door, and they send a monkey to space. Yeah.
Or I guess the alternate timeline or whatever,
the alternate dimension. I thought the parts
when you saw his face on the screen were pretty
good, but that's like one little flash out of
the hole. So the monkey, their Ray -Bans are
going to protect them too. From the monkey himself
looked awful. But yes, I'm with you on the screen.
It looked all right. But when they like put them
in, I'm just like, Oh God, he's just brighter
than everything. Yeah. Like carrying him out.
Yeah. They just didn't render him in right at
all. But it did make me laugh that this CGI monkey,
they're going to send to the middle of nowhere
and then bring it right back. So they do it.
The monkey is a success. And Dr. Harvey's all
up. Yes, this is great. We're going to start
talking to our friends at NASA. We're going to
get people to go to this planet. NASA? Hold on.
This could be us. No, we're going to do this.
This is what we were promised. Oh, who promised
you that? Who promised you that? Yeah, exactly.
Not anybody in this movie. No, Dr. Franklin did.
That was one of the stipulations Victor had.
Yeah, that's one of the stipulations Victor had.
I'll give it to them. They didn't lose that one.
Oh, you mean Borat? Yes, Borat. That's it. Damn
it. You figured it out. Damn it. That's his second
nickname. So Borat slash Victor. He was the one
that said, no, we're going to do this ourselves
and that kind of stuff. But Dr. Harvey wants
to coordinate with NASA. And so what do you do
when the one thing you want to do more than anything?
What do you do? You get drunk and then you call
your buddy who hasn't been in the movie for the
last 20 minutes. And you give a whole speech
about the people that created the Apollo space
project and how they're forgotten and that you
still know Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, all those
guys. And so don't forget the three movies that
have come out about engineers since then, but
that's right. Yeah, exactly. But, uh, so they're
drunk. They're going to jump in the machine and
they're going to test it themselves. And this
is a great idea. They're going to bring an American
flag with two to stamp it in there. I love that
the custom suits that Sue made for everybody
just happened to fit Ben Graham, who's never
been in the lab before. He must have a really
feminine body. He must have taken Sue's suit.
Because in a Fantastic Four movie, we don't need
Sue to go to this place. Where's Sue? Sue got
completely left out. I felt so bad. I'm just
like, dude, what the hell? But this is also one
of the moments where it's like four in the morning
and they've been drinking. And yet she's still
up working because she has to be earlier. Yeah,
we need her there. So she's up for some reason.
Exactly. She's still up at 4 a .m. working for
some reason. We don't know why. Listening to
music, of course. Before we go to Planet Zero
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There was a little confusion on this one, and
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one of the hints and stuff like that. And so
a friend of ours from Bad Movies We Love, sounds
like a podcast up our alley, said, I don't think
it's going to be Superman 3 because of that stipulation.
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to say to them, hey, it may not be from that
movie, but it may also be from that movie. Maybe
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the time it took for him to guess again, somebody
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don't. We got to save that for the end. I'm going
to work that in everywhere. So now we're on planet.
We're on planet zero. And boy, oh boy. The CGI
lighting is rough. Everything is green. everything's
green except for what's not green that probably
should be green so i i felt like planet zero
was like it was just a sound stage it had to
be but it was a sound stage that they like rented
for the last five days of shooting so they just
kind of said throw this stuff in here and we'll
figure it out in post yeah because whenever they're
on planet zero it looks awful to me Does Miles
have a beard? Miles did not have a beard at this
point, I don't think. Well, we don't know because
the mask is covering it up. I wonder if this
is a reshoot, a rewrite and a reshoot. Because
they didn't know that Doom was going to be on
the end planet and stuff. Right. So who knows?
They didn't blow up. They made it up there. And
Sue gets a notification that they had taken it.
So she jumps on a computer because. she has to
nobody else does no you would think franklin
who is in charge of this big project would get
like a notification to his phone or something
like that and that lab wasn't big where's the
computer i just assumed it was in the same room
and she just didn't notice them going in there
or blasting off or anything so it looked like
she was like in a control room or something like
that i don't know like off to the side must have
been right like i don't know what it is I think
we're being kind by trying to make it make sense.
It doesn't make sense that she didn't see it.
So yeah, exactly. But luckily she has her push
notifications on. Yeah. It's huge. So she finds
out they left. She hops on a computer in the
lab and is trying to find the video feed. Yep.
And so they're in this alternate dimension. They
plant the American flag. And they start seeing
like this energy field and they want to get to
the source of it. Yep. Johnny's not going. Johnny's
not going. Johnny's the anchor. Johnny's the
anchor. He's not going. And then Victor leads
Ben and Reed down to the source of the energy.
Yep. You know, as anyone would do the first time
on a alien planet. i've seen enough alien movies
to know this is a bad idea absolutely you do
not climb down the cliff you do not put your
hand in the energy pool right like yeah all right
i'm okay with going down the cliff and like getting
closer but i mean like there's like elbow deep
in this oh yeah he's like he's like oh this thing
is cool that's another little a little chronicle
thing i think the rocks floating up towards his
hand yeah Yeah, exactly. Yes, that definitely.
I don't remember a lot of Chronicle, but I do
remember that. So I think you're exactly right
about that, where they were reacting to the human
touch and everything like that. And then he finally
dips his hand in. And the entire planet starts
to implode pretty much. Yeah, nothing can go
wrong with that. Right. It'll be just fine. Is
the ooze alive? I mean, it's got to be right.
I mean, we don't know. And this entire movie
is exposition driven. It's all, you know, a lot
of times most movie makers show don't tell. Josh
just wanted to flip the script on this one. He's
like, we're going to tell everything and not
show at all. This one's got to have some. Yeah.
Like it moves towards them. Right. And seems
to specifically pick out Victor. Right. From
everybody else. Yep. Well, so when the, when
the planet starts to implode, this was the other
moment. So they start climbing up the rock face
and everything like that. And Victor falls and
Reed catches him. And it's one of those like
moments. Oh, and that's supposed to be the stretch.
His arm pulls a little bit. Okay. And it's the
slightest thing, but again, it's one of those
like, Oh, remember he's the stretchy one. So
he gets rocks. He gets fire. And they get stretchy
and invisible for reasons. Yep. Because when
they're getting back in the pods, Ben gets covered
in rocks for some reason. We don't know why the
rocks are flying towards him. His door won't
close and then the rocks just start blowing in
on him. And Johnny headbutts the window. and
fire comes in yep it combusts and sets them on
fire yep so what were you gonna say though oh
no no that's that's exactly what i was gonna
say yeah yeah um sue's able to bring them back
and when they land it does like this concussive
burst that hits her with this like it's invisible
projectile i guess it's different this time for
some reason because it needs to be really because
nobody got superpowers when they brought the
monkey back and it was the same monkey didn't
touch the ooze monkey didn't touch the ooze smarter
than these guys exactly yeah so that's that's
the reason why this monkey didn't get out of
his chair but here comes the switch because this
is no longer a comic book movie from this point
on it's a body horror film right because they
wake up in the lab reed has his foot stuck but
he can hear ben crying out but all he sees is
a pile of rocks yep and he can't get to him he
turns around his leg is like what 15 20 feet
long stuck underneath stuff didn't realize that
it was stretching behind him and that he was
still stuck he sees johnny on fire yep and then
he blacked out again johnny's like a like burnt
to a crisp at this point he's like yeah he looks
like he's just like dead but yes he does black
out seeing his foot like that And this could
be an interesting part. Again, kind of like Chronicle.
They're freaking out about what their bodies
are going through with these changes. It could
be an interesting... What's that movie with the
little kid that has the powers like Superman?
Brightburn. I knew exactly where you were going
with that. Same. Yes. Because that's an interesting
take on superheroes. And this could be that,
but it's not. It could have taken a much darker
turn, and that would have been interesting. But
instead, Reed leaves. yes he just leaves well
so reed like here's ben crying out in his room
crawls through a vent is able to like get himself
out of the restraints crawls through a vent and
then the alarm starts going off and reed's like
i'm gonna fix this and he just leaves and it
was horrible like he looks like he's in pain
like they're fully leaning into the cronenbergness
of the stretching he looks like he's in pain
he's making awful noises right and it doesn't
help that ben's also suffering like he sounds
like he's hurting too he doesn't even have a
hand until he reaches for reed and he makes one
yeah right and uh right before this johnny's
in a room on a table being watched and he his
fire flares up for some reason it breaks the
glass nothing else in the lab is damaged at all
yep the table he's on so i guess fire really
can't melt steel It does no damage. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Good thing they had all those fire resistant
tables. Good thing. Oh my gosh. And then we get
another time jump. Yep. That's another year later.
Yeah. This is where it'd be interesting of like,
you know, they're learning how to use their bodies
again and what these powers mean. But instead
we just cut a year forward, miss out on any lessons
and they can just use their powers. pretty good
yeah the only one that's kind of struggling is
sue and it's more so like control it's not really
she knows how to use it but it's more so like
staying invisible for long periods of time so
i didn't catch this when i was watching it but
i saw it on new rock stars ben is now being used
by the military to do i guess like um he's doing
special ops pretty much special ops yeah it said
he killed he had 43 confirmed deaths i think
is what it said and then it had his birth year
is 1986 and like hold on in 2007 they were in
third grade so he would have been like in his
40s or his early 30s breaks physics he's immortal
yeah murdering people murdering people i did
want them to lean into that a little more because
like all of the videos we saw were just him in
his big rock form killing people and i think
they alluded to the fact that like he could camouflage
as like rocks in the desert so like hunger like
hunger games kind of yeah yeah like that like
he's just he just blends in kind of i don't know
they they kind of alluded to it and i kind of
wanted to see that but instead they just show
him like going on rampage and he's just the hulk
is it yeah it's like isn't the tank scene literally
from the hulk movie it might be it fully might
be that would be interesting actually you know
possibly they just cgi'd the thing in instead
of the hulk which they don't say the thing ever
either but that's probably the best yeah johnny
says it kind of right before we get the end card
yeah right um and then they're yeah they're in
the lab reed has left he's been gone for a year
no one's heard from him and then sue turned like
turns on him i guess because well so what he
wants to do is he wants to rebuild the quantum
gate is what they called it because anything
smart has quantum in it um So he wants to rebuild
the quantum gate and more so because he thinks
he can get like more, they can harness this power
and get like an army of these special agents
kind of thing. Oh yeah. Yep. And the reason she
kind of turns on him is because Johnny has now
learned to control his powers enough to go on
these special ops. Yeah. Just want to mention
real fast. We're at 45 minutes into the movie
and all four of them have not been on screen
together. Yep. yeah yeah yeah that's i mean that's
completely true because they they go to space
without sue even uh -huh um but yeah so johnny
is about ready now to go on these own special
ops and he wants to because he wants to make
a difference yeah sue is worried about him and
that's why she kind of turns um she doesn't i
mean let's face it somebody like ben could get
shot at somebody like johnny is still just on
fire like maybe melting bullets who knows but
yeah more likely he's a lot more of a soft target
i think so too yeah yeah so that's the reason
why she kind of turns on this whole thing and
she doesn't want to really help then the military
hasn't been able to find him in a year yes she
does in about five minutes yes because of reasons
because of patterns And because of Captain Nemo,
the book they talked about that one time in the
library at the very beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Which
is also hysterical to me that he signs his emails.
Captain Nemo. It's so funny. Yeah. Oh, I think
this is I don't want to skip it too hard. This
is the first Kate Mara and her blonde wig. Yes.
Because during her reshoots for the next role,
she has shaved her head. And I think she was
doing. a girl in a spider web wasn't she oh that
must be what it was yeah i think that's what
it was they're like just put a blonde wig on
her they didn't even account for like her roots
or anything that you see earlier and later in
the movie yeah exactly um i'm trying to figure
it out oh i forgot she was in transcendence god
damn fuck that movie uh cover that movie I covered
that movie in a previous episode, and I can tell
you right now that movie sucked. So 2015, she
was doing The Martian. Yeah. What else was she
doing? That came really close to this one, too.
Yeah. I guess not. Well, you're looking that
up. Yeah. Is what Reed is doing in South America,
is that brownface? So, I mean, he morphs his
face. And can speak fluent Spanish, by the way.
Something we've never seen him do before. Yes,
exactly. We've never seen him do that before.
But somehow, someway, he's able to just speak
Spanish now. And he's morphed his face to look
like he's from there. Yes. To hide his face.
Right. His hair, too, a little bit. Yep. Yeah,
he's able to completely blend in. But... He kind
of looks like... Who's the guy that plays the
Punisher? Jon Bernthal. It kind of looks like
him. Yeah, I can see that. I also was very wrong
about Kate Mara. She was not the person. Well,
Rooney Mara was in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
I do not remember who was in the sequel. Okay.
I thought it was Kate Mara for some reason, but
it's not. yeah well she shaved her hair for something
she shaved her hair for something i can't figure
out what because like the next big thing she
was she was doing house of cards at that point
and then she also did like um oh what was it
i just clicked off her page it doesn't matter
it wasn't one that i would say she shaved her
head for okay so she did for this and now she's
wearing a bad blonde wig yes maybe she did it
for like a an audition or something like that
i don't know claire foy was in girl in the spider
web that's okay okay well close enough um but
yeah so she has her blonde wig and that that
was the important thing that was that's the important
thing yeah because it's terrible yeah and reed
is now in his dead space outfit yes yeah it just
looks like what you wear throughout all the dead
space right yeah yeah he definitely could be
cast in a dead space movie with that same costume
i guess it helps him stretch but not tear the
material or something well it looks like it's
pieced together by like three different things
so it's definitely like a rudimentary kind of
suit that he made yeah so that he could stretch
because he's able to when she catches him they
send all these army guys and he's still able
to like stretch and hit them all and everything
like that yeah um this is i think the first beard
scene Yes. He definitely has a beard at this
point. He didn't have a beard at the store where
he was speaking Spanish. But now he does. Oh,
man. The CGI during the fight with the thing.
When they're using their powers, the stretching
looks decent. It's hard to do, but you can also
tell Miles is not there. Because he shot all
these on a green screen and reshoots. And it
definitely feels like it's, it's pieced together
in there where it's like, okay, he's going to
stretch this way. But like that scene, there's
nobody behind him or anything like that. Cause
it's just, it's, it's fake background almost.
And this is the first time he sees Ben since
their transformation. Right. And they're sad
all the way back. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very
emotional reunion. Cause he kind of been head
butts him and knocks him out and they fly back
together and like reads in a jail cell, like
clear jail cell, but they're able to talk. Yeah.
It's like a tiny box. Like I think jail cell
is almost too. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's a box
with air holes. Yeah. But Ben kind of reveals
they can't trust him anymore. And he like, gave
up hope that he would come back and fix him and
so it's just woe is me pity me oh no a whole
year you were gone a whole year um but they get
him back because he's the one guy that's going
to be able to help them fix the gate and they
have him in an interrogation room and sue talks
him through it and gets him to agree to do it
yep oh bad wig and beard in this shot yes and
uh so he's able to like or he offers to help
and franklin is like really happy to see him
even though he won't look at him so it kind of
shows like yeah okay we did miss you kind of
um and so he he reads sits down this is my favorite
thing he sits down he looks at the computer for
a little bit And he goes, I need 10 minutes.
I need 10 minutes, yeah. And Dr. Harvey's just
like, before you start working, he's like, no,
to fix your problems. It's like the source code.
Like, what? You looked for 10 seconds and it's
a source code issue? Yeah, and he knows right
what line to fix and everything. He knows exactly
where to go and he fixes it in 10 minutes. But
that 10 minutes is just enough time so that Franklin
can talk to Johnny about not... going on these
missions yeah but he's got it fixed and johnny's
not going johnny who are these guys that do get
put in the thing they're just like grunts right
like i think yeah just nameless i looked away
for a second and then looked back and i was like
who are these guys and they're like yeah i don't
know they put a bunch of grunts in there to like
go find stuff and everything like that and they
fixed their video signal that's that was great
because waiting on the video signal pissed me
off each time what did they say Using an alternate
frequency. Or something. Yeah. They used an alternate
frequency on the monkey. So they can see everything.
And then it didn't work on Sue. Until. They got
back to the capsule. Yeah. Oh I forgot to mention
this too. I have this in my notes. Tim Blake
Nelson decided to chew gum. For the whole back
half of the movie. So after the one year later.
In every scene he's chewing gum. And it's just
like. Why? He's going to town. Yeah, it's very
apparent. Maybe to get us to not like him? I
already didn't care for him that much. I hate
him more because of that. Yeah. So the grunts
go to Planet Zero. And what do you know it? Victor
shows up. They find a heat signature. Yeah. Crazy.
It's Victor. Yeah. Yeah. He's safe. They can
save the day. They can bring him back. Yeah.
Bring him back. And he's just covered in gray,
green material. Yeah. It looks like his, uh,
the suit they wore that Sue had made has like
fused with his body. And now everything's already
been kind of going fast. Now we're going turbo
mode because there's like 20 minutes left in
the movie and we got to wrap this thing up. We
got to get this done. What did they say? I wrote
biochemistry is off the chart. What does that
possibly mean? I caught that one too. Biochemistry
is off the chart. What is that? All right. Biochemistry,
man. It's off the chart. He's kind of metal -y.
Yep. He looks like he's just like... he's just
wearing an iron man suit that happens to have,
I was saying like that pottery in Chinese culture
that they put the gold to like fix it. Oh yeah.
Yeah. It looks like that with green instead of
the gold. Like that's, that's what I feel like
it is. Toby Kebbell did not come back for most
of these reshoots. Okay. That's not, that's not
him under. That does not help. Yeah. Okay. But
doom wakes up for some reason. I feel like I
said for some reason a lot more than I've said
on any other episode I've done with you. It's
a lot of for some reason, but I think that's
just for some reason. I don't think there is
a reason. What are his powers? Because what happens
now, he sits up, makes the TV fall on the scientists
that are watching from the lab, and then explodes
Tim Blake Nelson's head from the inside out.
I feel like it's telekinesis, but at the same
time, that doesn't really explain the explosions.
Cause like he, he makes like the entire hallway
of people. He makes their heads explode, which
I thought was a really great scene by the way.
Like in any other movie, that would have been
really cool. I was down with that scene. I thought
that was cool. And that, that actually gave some
gravitas to like him. I was saying it's, it's
Vader essentially. Yeah. And he had like force
powers. Yeah. Yeah. I was down with that. I thought
that scene was very cool. When Dr. Harvey gets
his head exploded, that was great. And then like,
he just keeps. blowing people's heads uh and
then in the next i had the movie pulled up on
another screen there's actually only 17 minutes
left at this point and in the next 17 minutes
they start the thing back go to the other planet
start a sky beam a black hole sky beam and then
travel back and forth what three or four times
they He goes once. That's one. Opens the beam
and they come through it. That's twice. And then
they come back from the beam. That's three. Right
when Johnny hits one of the towers. And takes
it out. And breaks the sky beam down. It's just
crazy. Yeah. We're not trying to rush the ending.
Talking about this. But that's what they did.
He had a sky beam. He's taking. resources from
earth and converting it into energy they fight
him they don't say that by the way they kind
of say it kind of a little bit yeah the cgi budget
for the last it just seems to like have disintegrated
yeah oh yeah exactly it looks like a bad power
ranger episode yep oh it does yeah um and he
also kills franklin too like who just wants them
to watch out for each other I think this is what
threw me off of his powers because he blew up
the first doctor and now he can't. He blew up
Franklin's brain. Yeah, but I think the way that
the effect happens, this is pure speculation,
but I wonder if it's because of the rating. Like
they wanted the PG -13 rating. Maybe. And him
in the suit, you can't see the full thing, but
Franklin outside of it, if he blew up, it would
be too gory. Maybe. Because he had blown up Nelson's
head, or Tim Blake Nelson's head. He blew up
the head of everybody in the thing, but he can't
blow up this guy's head. It just is such a weird
break from what he's done the last five minutes.
You know what I mean? Maybe he's just too smart.
Maybe. The power of brain. Either that. Either
that or the other idea I had was this is why
he went back is because he needed the energy.
So this is why he's like sucking up the earth
and getting energy. Maybe he just ran out of
fuel. I don't know. I don't know. I'm defending
something that I don't understand. No, you know,
we're bouncing ideas on each other. This is the
first time all four of them have been on screen
together. Powers or not. Yep. They're all together.
And what do they do? But what do they do? All
four of them on the screen together, and what
do they do? Talk. Attack individually. Attack
individually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he can
defeat any one of us, but he can't defeat all
of us. Right. I beg to differ. So I love the
fact that they all go one at a time, and then
Reed tries to talk them down. He's like, Victor,
you don't need to do this. We can cure you. And
he goes, there is no Victor, only doom. roll
credits i guess best line in the whole thing
because of how stupid it is so stupid but reed
is like disbanded he gets up and he buys enough
time that the other three can get up and now
all of them can work together and fight as four
instead of one and they're so what does reed
say to doom all right he's like you're not i'm
smarter than you i'm no better than you i'm like
you so you guys worked together for like two
days well no so like zoom's holding him and it's
just like you always acted so much smarter than
me that's what it was you always i'm like it
was like two days but we don't know because we
don't know how much time passed yeah and i didn't
really see them interact with each other that
much and it seemed even in the time lapse reed
seemed to take his ideas and talk to him about
it right yeah like i don't think i don't think
they ever disagreed so badly that like it was
oh you're always so much smarter than me because
you're right i am smarter than you ben now and
like ben was shielded by sue's invisibility and
he comes running through and of course he has
to deliver it's clobbering time yeah But it's
been tainted. Now it just feels like a trauma
response. Instead of a cool line. Knocks him
straight into the energy beam. Johnny flies around,
destroys the towers of the energy beam. And then
in like 20 seconds, Doom dies, they fly back,
and only a couple hundred people died. Yep. A
big crater. That's it. Yeah, exactly. A couple
hundred maybe. Yeah. even though they destroyed
the tower and they hit him into it. And like,
if they destroy him, he's the source of the energy.
They're still able to ride that energy beam back
to earth. Yep. But it vaporized him. Yeah. But
don't think about it too much. Cause they're
back on earth. They're there. It's fine. And
so now the government that it's after the government
wants to work with them still. And they're like,
no, we're going to do our own thing. We need
space. We're going to build our projects and
we get to own them. I think you said it already.
We're not rushing this. No. This is what happens.
They fight back Earth at 1 hour 29 minutes, and
then the credits roll at 1 .33. Yep. Yep. And
they still have to get to Central City, which
is not a city. It's just a facility. Yeah. Ransom
was like, they're going to need a foundation
for the future. Because, you know, they start
the Future Foundation in the comics. That's a
good joke. I just thought, I mean, they already
are at the Baxter Institute. Just make it the
Baxter building. And then Johnny, as they're
going, they walk in and they're like, I got a
name for this place. The Franklin Storm Research
Facility. And Suze is like, he didn't want to
see his name up in things. And Reed goes, I think
we need a name. The four of us. The four of us.
Oh, man. Then they go back and forth with some
silly ones. Human torch and his torchettes. And
I think this is the only time they say the thing.
Yes. I guess that's the first time they said
the human torch, too. Right. Yeah, they really
didn't say any of the names. It's not as fantastic
because that one makes sense. It's not. Two guys,
a two girl, two guys, a girl and an ugly thing
or something. Yeah. And an ugly big thing. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, there was, um, the
smartest man on earth and his neurons. And then
they're like, no, the smartest woman on earth
and her neurons. And Ben just is looking over
this and he goes, I gotta say it's fantastic.
Say that again. Gotta say, it's fantastic. I
think, of everything, this is the largest cultural
impact this movie's had. This is the biggest
name drop in a movie. I can think of a lot of
them, but that's one of the real ones I go to.
I always go to the family guy where he... Has
the bit where he goes. I always love when they
say the name of the movie. In the movie. And
they do. This is why I've got to be Superman
4. The quest for peace. So that's why they called
it that. Man. We did it. That's the whole movie.
That is the movie. Yeah. I have a bunch of notes.
About the post production process. Okay. You
know what the budget for the movie was? Not enough.
I loved $120 million. Jesus. Opening weekend,
it made $25 ,600 ,000. Total gross American was
only $56 million. God. Yeah. The 2025 version
came out this weekend, like I said. And in its
opening day, it made more than the entirety of
that run. That's crazy. That's nuts. That is
absolutely insane to me. Josh Trink. What has
he done since then? Because he was supposed to
do a Star Wars movie. He was going to do a Boba
Fett movie, and he lost it after this. Yes. But
I don't know if it was because of Fantastic Four's
reception as much as how he acted on set. Yes,
definitely. It is definitely a big reason why
he no longer is around. He got blacklisted because
of his attitude. And that's exactly it. And so
he disowned this movie because he said there
was too much like studio interference, that kind
of stuff. It was not the movie he wanted to make,
everything like that. He was very outspoken about
that. Wasn't that like two days before it came
out? Yes. And the only other example I have of
something like that is David Ayer. Okay. David
Ayer, who did Suicide Squad. basically said kind
of the same thing he's just like it's a fine
movie but it's not what i was had planned out
and everything like that he kind of did a little
more like i don't know what to say a little more
nice about it a little more well -rounded and
well presented and i don't think trink even had
that movie he was talking about i don't think
that ever existed because of the reshoots and
the rewrites and like him getting into it like
apparently he and miles almost like got into
a fist fight a couple times yep and he was rude
to kate mara yep and my big thing about it is
this is this is another thing with david ayer
david ayer went out and made he's the one that
made fury that's what i was confused about originally
he made fury the tank movie and it was pretty
decent and then the one i'll consider because
this is what i think was a lot like suicide squad
in his mind he made the beekeeper and i had a
blast with that one i thought that was very well
done and so that's my thing is if you go out
and you do this movie and make a different movie
and it's good great cool you've proven that hey
maybe it was studio interference because you
just go out and show you know that kind of thing
josh trank's next movie was capone who has a
15 -minute Capone shitting himself scene, and
that's supposed to be a big turning point of
the movie. I haven't seen it, but doesn't it...
I've seen people talk about how it feels like
he was trying to make Twin Peaks. A little bit,
yes. So I have not seen it fully. I have seen
that five -minute scene with... Capone shitting
himself. Yeah. And it's terrible. It's absolutely
just unwatchable. When did that come out? 2020.
So in the last five years, has he worked on or
done? He has one director project coming up,
but other than that, nothing. Okay. Writing,
he hasn't done anything since. He's got two.
One in development, The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt.
And then he also is writing and directing a movie
called Senda Scare, which is in pre -production.
All right. We know that he is capable of a good
movie. Do we know? I like Chronicle. I thought
it was a good movie. I thought it was fun. I'll
say it's good. Okay, so yes, I guess definition
you said. We know he can make a good movie. Okay.
Yes. Definition. Sure. It's not groundbreaking
or like, you know, changing the direction of
Hollywood or anything, but it was right. Yeah.
It was a fun. Yeah. Okay. I'll give you that.
Shoestring found footage. I'll give you that.
Okay. I you're, you're right. You use the word
good. I, he can make a good. Two clusters afterwards.
Yep. So there might be hope in the future. And
I, I gotta say, I just read the direction for
this. Send a Scare? Yeah. Basically, it's a horror
startup letting users send scares gets deadly
when a real killer takes over their investor
demo. Oh, no. Mm -hmm. Starring... Sorry, Josh.
Sorry. You let me down. Starring Noel Fisher,
Victoria Justice, and Robbie Amel. Stephen Amell's
brother. And Karan Soni, who plays the cab driver
in Deadpool. Okay. Yeah. So those are the four
big names attached to it. Victoria Justice is
really random in there. Yeah. But yeah, so that's
his next project. We'll see how that goes. So
that's in pre -production. But I'm not holding
out hope for that one. No. Yeah. All right, we
got to rate this thing. I'm excited for your
rating on this. I don't... I'm not going to spoil
what I gave Master of Disguise. Okay. That's
good because... But I also can't go higher than
that. And I had to go lower and I can't give
it a zero because a movie was made. you can give
it a zero mitchell is the only one that does
the mitchell zero no but i you know i work in
post -production and i've worked on movies like
i know what goes into doing this and zero i'm
gonna give it a quarter of a star okay you can
call it the mitchell zero plus zero plus okay
yeah um i'm hovering right around the mitchell
zero for this one um just because I'm not as
harsh on this one, I feel, as a lot of people
are. Because there are some moments that I liked
about it. There's definitely a lot wrong. And
I'm not saying I'm defending it or anything like
that. But I feel like I'm a lot less harsh than
some other people are on it. Because this is
the second time I've watched it. And I'm not
sitting here going, I am never watching that
again. I'm not going to watch it this year, probably.
But I could probably someday down the line because
Claire hasn't seen this one. And she said she
would try to give it a shot because of the new
one that came out and everything like that. I'm
not watching it this week. Let me tell you that
right now. If she was around, we would have probably
watched it together. But I could watch it in
a year or two and be like, okay, I've blacked
this out from my life. That's Spider -Man three
for me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Correlation. Yeah.
I know what you're talking about. Yeah. That's
definitely, it's like, yeah, I don't want to
watch it tomorrow, but I could probably watch
it again down the road. And once every four years,
once every 10 years, like fantastic four. There
you go. Once every 10 years, like fantastic four.
Oh my gosh. What else you got? Is that, that's,
we've talked a lot about this movie and we've
talked a lot about this problems. is there anything
you liked about it is there anything else you
want to talk about it i like the doom hallway
scene that was pretty gnarly uh i i liked i like
the relationship well all the actors are so good
yeah right michael b jordan could have done great
with this kate mara could have been i think they
elevated the script versus yeah the script elevating
them for sure So that's it. I think the casting
was great. Yep. The cinematography was not. No,
it was not. Yeah. I'm with you on the hallway
scene. I'm with you on like, I think the cast
was the right cast. I just wish they had a better
script to go with. I like the potential of it,
but that also makes it hurt more. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. This is a definite movie of failed potential.
Yeah. Well, it sounds like that's going to do
it for episode 100. Yeah. Which is divisible
by four, and that's fantastic. Oh, yeah. Okay.
So I'm very disappointed in one thing, and this
is the last thing, and this is a very minor thing.
Yeah. I could have sworn it was fan four stick.
It's fan four stick. And that has thrown me this
entire day. For the next decade, you'll think
of that. Yeah, it bothers the hell out of me
because I had it as fan four stick. Yeah. I want
to know who made that logo. Yeah, right. All
right. Well, that'll do it. I've been host Mike.
I've been joined by Zach. Thank you for once
again, coming on captain Nima. I mean, Zach.
Thank you for my email release. Yeah, exactly.
It's always a pleasure to have you on buddy.
I look forward to more in the future, including
master of disguise, which is coming out soon,
which is a big spoiler. I haven't done the guessing
game yet. So if you listen to our episodes, you
got to leg up. Yeah. but this has been episode
100 of game for a movie where we ask, are you
game for a movie? There are going to be at least
a hundred more. I would hope if not more. Um,
thank you guys very much for tuning in and we'll
see you next time on the game for a movie podcast.
Bye. Bye.