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You know what that sound means? It's another

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episode of Game for a Movie where we ask, are

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you game for a movie? My name is Mike. I'll be

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your host this evening. I am joined by a very

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special guest. It is Captain Nemo. No, it's Zach.

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Captain Nemo. I'm back again. Zach, welcome back.

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Thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm happy

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to have you. Say that again. I'm happy to have

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you on the show. That's it. Guys, I got the name

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for it. uh -oh glad to have you on the show oh

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my god this movie yes this movie um this is a

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very special episode by the way this is episode

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100 of the game for a movie podcast uh where

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we ask are you game for a movie um we have dealt

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with probably at least 80 bad movies at this

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point yeah Cause like we, we did for a while

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do like some good shows and like we have our

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quizzes and stuff. I don't know. 20 episodes

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seems about right. 25 maybe. So about 75 bad

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movies. Sure. There might be up there as one

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of the worst, especially in your mind. Yeah.

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Yeah. I texted you earlier and I said, I think

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I owe master disguise and apology. Cause when

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I came on that, I said that was the worst movie

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I've ever seen. It's. I think Master of Disguise

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is still worse, but you'll hear that episode

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two weeks from now. Yeah. Or three weeks. I don't

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know timing. But yeah. So first we're going to

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jump into what we are drinking because we do

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that on the show. So Zach, do you got something

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over there? I have water again. Okay. That's

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okay. Yeah. Stay hydrated. That's okay. I have

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a random beer I grabbed from the shelf at the

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grocery store. This is from Burial Beer Company.

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It is the beloved ceremony of condemnation. Huh.

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I don't know if you can see with the... Yeah,

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it's kind of faded, but this is a very cool can

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art. The can's cool. Is condemnation spelled

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weird or anything? No. Condemnation. Yeah. It's

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an eye that has this bridge to what looks like

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a Grim Reaper in a field of flowers. I don't

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know. All right. It's Burial Beer Company. They

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have weird names, they have good beer, and they

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have awesome canner. So, yeah. Trial beer. Exactly.

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How can you be mad with that? All right, so as

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it is episode 100, and that is divisible by four,

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and we think that's fantastic. It is fantastic.

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And because there's a certain movie that came

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out this past weekend, it is time for us to talk

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about Fantastic Four from 2015. oh what a dark

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year did did you like put two and two together

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that uh every 10 years there's been a new yeah

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okay there's been a new iteration of fantastic

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four kind of like pennywise returning to dairy

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fantastic four rears its head every 10 years

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i meant to look this up before was it like a

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fox rights thing like where you know how with

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like spider -man okay cool that's what i thought

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it was It was going to expire later in 2015.

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So they had to get this out in the summer to

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keep those rights. That feels about right. The

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irony of that is palpable. Yes. You know what

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I mean? Exactly. So we're talking the 2015 version.

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Just a couple of the names here that you may

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be seeing. Josh Trank was the director and one

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of the three writers on this show or movie. Um,

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our main four are Miles Teller, Kate Mara, Michael

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B. Jordan, Jamie Bell. Uh, we've also got Toby

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Kebbell and Reggie Cathy. I think I'm pronouncing

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that right. And Tim Blake Nelson. So those are

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some of the big ones. Um, it also was a little

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weird that Tim Heidecker was in this and was

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like the drunk dad. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was kind

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of, it threw me for a second. I'm not gonna lie,

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but, uh, yeah this before tim and eric awesome

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show um i would think it would be right around

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that time yeah it must have been around the same

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time right because he's also an ant -man yes

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he is yeah eric is too they have both of them

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in there they got both of them in as like cameos

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um so tim and eric awesome show debuted Well,

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Tim and Eric's bedtime stories were 2013 to 2017.

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Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job is 2007 to

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2017. So it had been around for a bit. Yeah.

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Before this nightmare. I just pulled up, because

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you said 2015. I was like, what else came out

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in 2015? Inside Out came out in 2015. Great.

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Truman. Okay. Mad Max Fury Road. Okay, great.

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Creed also came out in 2015. What a year for

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Michael B. Jordan, huh? That's two very opposite

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movies on the spectrum. Yeah, Mission Impossible,

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Rogue Nation. Okay, not my favorite, but good.

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Even Star Wars Force Awakens, 2015. I forgot

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that came out in 2015. So yeah, it's not a bad

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year for movies, except for... One, notable.

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This one, this... turn that got dropped on us

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um i kind of so like usually on the show we talk

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about like all the details of it and everything

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like that and i still want to kind of do that

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but it's also weird because everybody kind of

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knows the origin story they changed it a little

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bit for sure it still feels like the same fantastic

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four we grew up with are we talking about the

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portal you mean or the origin of the movie well

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i was talking about the origin of the actual

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fantastic four the origin of the movie yeah go

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ahead nerd glasses real quick okay it is the

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origin story from the ultimate universe you know

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like the ultimate fantastic four and ultimate

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avengers okay it's way closer to that that was

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a lab accident instead of the spaceship instead

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of the spaceship going to planet zero or whatever

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and whatever Yeah, exactly. I know in the 2005

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one they went to a random planet and they were

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fixing a problem and Cosmic Storm made them their

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powers. This is along those same lines, but we

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take a while to get there. Yeah, about 40 minutes

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if I remember correctly. And this is an hour

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40 of a movie. Yeah. That's a lot of what I remember

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people talking about was it finally felt like

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the movie got going and then it was over. And

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then it was over. And yeah, they didn't even

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have a third act until about halfway through

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shooting the movie. And that third act, yeah.

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But we start as all good stories do with a little

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seven years earlier and learning about the friendship

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of Reed Richards and Ben Grimm. Yep. Including

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things like Reed Richards. He talks about his

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career that he wants. He wants to create this

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teleporter. Yeah. That's it. He wants to invent

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teleportation. We don't know why he wants to

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do teleporter, where the idea came from, how

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he's the smartest kid in there. He just wants

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a teleporter. Right. That's it. And basically

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in that class is Ben Grimm, who kind of is...

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excited by the idea likes the idea of it and

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he also is their family runs the local junkyard

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and let's not skip the fact that chet hanks is

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his older brother yes who comes to beat him up

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and says it's clobbering time yeah so this is

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the first sign that in this movie all fun and

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happiness and joy is going to be sucked out of

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the fantastic four and anything you like of it

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we're going to turn into like a dark ink blot

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you know what i mean like yeah clobbering time

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is fun and now it's what your older brother says

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when he abuses you before your mom comes and

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starts hitting him yeah right exactly yeah yeah

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he she did come in like just immediately start

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wailing yeah just wailing and we skipped over

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the fact that dan castellana the voice of Homer

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Simpson is probably the worst science teacher

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ever. Like he pulls reads up there presenting

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his teleporter idea. And he just starts like

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making fun of him. Right. Talking about a flying

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car and everything like that. And that he needs

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to come back with a real career. Yeah. Okay.

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Yes. He didn't have it quite as career, but it's

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a scientist. He just wanted to be a scientist

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like that science class. It's not like he's in

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gym or something talking, you know? Yeah. I thought

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we were going to get a little bit of the 21 Jump

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Street, by the way, of how Ben and Reed kind

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of like learn from each other to pass the test

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and learn from each other to like stand up to

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the bully kind of thing. We didn't get that.

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Thank God. That'd be fun. We can't have that.

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It would be fun. No fun had in this movie. um

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so it's now seven years later because it's we're

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in 2000 that was 2007 right because they said

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it was sitting there but like the classroom looked

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like it was from the 80s yes to me yeah it definitely

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definitely looked older but i mean i that could

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just be a public school like could be could be

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uh yeah so now we're in high school yes We were

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in high school and they are at a science fair

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where they're going to demonstrate how their

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teleporter works. I also forgot that Reed, the

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first time they tried it, they kind of caused

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a blackout when it was 2007. And he just kept

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saying to himself, don't blow up. Don't blow

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up. Yeah. And Ben was there because he helped

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him steal a transformer from the junkyard. What'd

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they call it? A power converter? Power converter.

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And he stole it from a car and it looked bigger

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than the car. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was

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just a transformer from like a power line, right?

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Right. Yeah. Like that was a full thing. Oh,

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Nintendo 64 stack. I can't believe I jumped over

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that. Oh yeah. Yeah. There was, yeah, that was

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pretty good too. But yeah, so they're at the

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science fair. They proved that it works. They

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forgot their model car, which I thought was pretty

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funny. um plan this whole thing and you forget

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like the one thing you're going to test it with

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so they just grab a kid's model airplane and

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it works zap it somewhere yep they zap it somewhere

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and they bring it back and it's just covered

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in dirt and they're just like yeah it worked

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cool and they are now disqualified right they

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don't want magic they want real science i'm like

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what's how is this okay that's fine also dan

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has followed him to high school Yes, he is. Like

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Mr. Feeney following them through middle school

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to high school. He didn't want to stay in one

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spot. He wanted to grow as a science teacher.

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I don't think that's happened yet. But it just

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so happens that at the same science fair is Sue

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Storm and Dr. Franklin Storm. Do they just go

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to science fairs? Yeah. They must just like to

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see what weirdos are going to show up with like,

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hopefully a teleporter. Hopefully a teleporter.

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The one project they've been working on. Had

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they heard of it? And how did he know the details

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of like, because Franklin starts asking him like,

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oh, so you built this in your garage? He didn't

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even mention that in his little spiel. Never

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happened. Just all of a sudden it was like, oh

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yeah, you built this in a garage. Cool. Tony

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Stark built this in a cave. You're exactly right

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though. Like it, it never gets brought up that

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he built this in the garage. And then when they're

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looking at it and they see it and everything

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like that, they offer him a full ride scholarship

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to the Baxter Institute. Why didn't Ben get offered?

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I don't know. He at least seems to have working

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knowledge of what's going on. He may not know

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the math and the science, but he's close enough

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to it. He's been with him for years working on

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this. And like the thing he was like early on,

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he handed him like a Swiss army knife and stuff

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like that. Like he knew he was going to strip

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the screws or whatever, you know, like, so he,

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he may not be like the science part, but he's

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definitely like the manufacturing part. Yeah.

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Yeah. he's the one that keeps pushing Reed to

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do the next thing. And he'll come back later

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when the teleporter is done. Yeah. Just to keep

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helping. Yeah. So they just looked at him and

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said, you get a scholarship. You don't. Yeah.

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We have no clue who did what, but we're just

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going to assume it was this kid. Yep. Oh, he's

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wearing glasses. Maybe that's what it is. Oh,

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that's it. Yeah. Yeah. He did have glasses. So,

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you know, ben you gotta wear glasses next time

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and i think this was the only joke in the movie

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i laughed at okay was when the little he gives

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the plane back to the little kid and he looks

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like you're a dick like that yes that was a good

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one yeah little kids cussing i guess is always

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funny yeah that that's what gets you on that

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one um so yeah ben also helps reed move in to

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the baxter institute yeah how much out oh this

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is a weird question jamie bell playing ben graham

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looks like he's like six years older than reed

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yes he does he's thrown by that the whole time

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i mean i got to imagine jamie bell is probably

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older than miles teller was at this point because

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at this point miles teller probably had two maybe

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three movies under his belt you know what he

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did right before this whiplash whiplash yeah

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i feel like that was like in production when

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that happened but what a what a wild swing for

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him it's also weird i just pulled up jamie bell

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and i mean good for him on some of these things

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that he's been in and everything like that but

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what threw me is in his top four is this um all

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of us strangers jumper and then he was billy

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and billy elliott that's in 2000. so wait tom

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holland was also billy and billy elliott in the

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musical right yes broadway yep that's a that's

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a fun little marvel connection right there right

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exactly yeah that's a strange one miles teller

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is a year older than jamie bell he doesn't look

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at me no he doesn't so i'm trying to think okay

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so miles teller had whiplash he probably had

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war dogs and what else might he have had um I

00:15:29.909 --> 00:15:31.950
don't want to get spectacular now. I don't want

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to get like too far down the rabbit hole about

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everything he's done, but I'm just sure. Yeah.

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He also, I forgot he was in the divergent series.

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I completely forgot about that. Oh my God. Uh,

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project X. Yeah. Oh, he was in one episode of

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the unusuals. Oh, I like that. Yeah. But the

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point was, yeah. The cast in this movie is wild.

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yes it's fantastic it's fantastic yeah say that

00:16:03.370 --> 00:16:09.009
again no i don't want to i'll say it later it's

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a wonderful cat like it is i don't blame anyone

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that's on screen for what happens no and all

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of them would want to be a part of this project

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like none of them knew what was going to happen

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or anything like that and all of the casting

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i could see all of these in a better written

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script succeeding yeah i actually think my worst

00:16:31.539 --> 00:16:35.000
casting of this one is miles teller and yeah

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sure not not because i don't like him as an actor

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or anything like that but just he doesn't fit

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the nerd type to me yeah it's like in barbie

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when they made the joke about um margot supposedly

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to be not attractive yeah right narrator is like

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this is stupid it doesn't make any sense yeah

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right like he's not this nerdy science guy. Right.

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And it's, it's still not distracting by any means.

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Like he still fits kind of the Reed Richards

00:17:03.129 --> 00:17:07.470
kind of thing. But yeah, it's, it's definitely

00:17:07.470 --> 00:17:13.990
strange to see him as the nerd type. Ben helps

00:17:13.990 --> 00:17:16.289
him move into the Baxter Institute. He gives

00:17:16.289 --> 00:17:18.150
him the pocket knife. That was a nice little

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gesture. And then first day, of course he goes

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to the library. And of course, who's there? Sue

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Storm. Sue Storm. Who he proceeds to mansplain

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books to. Yes. Who then, she womansplains music

00:17:36.349 --> 00:17:41.130
back to him. Well, she neurodivergent spectrum

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explains music to him. Yes, exactly. No, and

00:17:44.190 --> 00:17:45.730
like why she likes music and everything like

00:17:45.730 --> 00:17:47.890
that. That's like the big defining feature is

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she likes music. And I get it. Yeah. And patterns.

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Yes. And patterns. That was the big thing. I

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also didn't know it at this point, but I kind

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of felt it was going that way. I really felt

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like this is here. Sue storm, the movie, like

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in, in so many instances, they would be doing

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something and then all of a sudden she'd just

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be there. So it was, it was kind of like, huh

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she's always just kind of the like i'm here because

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of this i'm here because of that like they found

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a reason to put her somewhere yeah and i think

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we'll talk about this later around this point

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it started to become very evident to me that

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there was going to be nothing the characters

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did to drive the story forward and this is like

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really critical maybe not quite as but like there's

00:18:44.029 --> 00:18:46.130
no character growth there's no character motivation

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there's no faults that push the story forward

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it's just we're moving beat by beat and we have

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to get to this one he's got to run in the zoo

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so let's put him in a library because they're

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both nerds yep this movie feels like it should

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have been four hours long and then they got told

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we're making this an hour and 40 minutes sure

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and so they just kind of like and here this this

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this this but you're exactly right i think that's

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what i felt like watching this movie you know

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the whole like climax pyramid kind of thing or

00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:18.400
triangle yeah like that but this is a movie where

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i felt each and every step where you can just

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see he needs to run into sue okay there needs

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to be this there needs to be that there needs

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to be this and it just it felt like each step

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i felt it I knew exactly what they were doing.

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You could see the pattern of it almost. We have

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to get to the next step. I think Josh Trank doesn't

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like comic book movies. I don't think he likes

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comic books. You know what I mean? It's possible.

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If he didn't do Chronicle, I would say it's possible.

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Chronicle feels like a good comic book movie

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that's not a comic book movie. Chronicle is a

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fantastic movie. I just kept going back to while

00:20:01.170 --> 00:20:03.869
I was watching this. It's just like, man, this,

00:20:03.930 --> 00:20:07.210
that sucks. Yep. Apparently he wanted to make

00:20:07.210 --> 00:20:09.710
this a sequel to Chronicle, like have the same

00:20:09.710 --> 00:20:13.170
universe. And Fox was like, absolutely not. You

00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:15.369
can't connect your stuff to Marvel stuff. And

00:20:15.369 --> 00:20:17.630
he kind of does it anyway, especially when they

00:20:17.630 --> 00:20:20.670
end up on earth or zero or planet zero zero.

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Yeah. Like the crystals look a lot like the crystals

00:20:23.289 --> 00:20:26.750
from. Okay. He had never read fantastic four

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or didn't keep up with it. jeremy slater did

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who was the first guy that was writing it yes

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and what i i did not i i knew jeremy slater was

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like a big fantastic four fan i did not know

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that josh trank hadn't like stayed up with it

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or anything like that yeah no i don't think he

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read from what i could find i don't think he

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read any of it so slater was right in the first

00:20:51.990 --> 00:20:54.849
draft okay and what was happening behind the

00:20:54.849 --> 00:20:59.230
scenes he Trank kept trying to insert his objections

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and push it towards the darker stuff like Chronicle.

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And they would get studio notes. And Joshua would

00:21:07.109 --> 00:21:09.069
pass those over to Jeremy. He would just do the

00:21:09.069 --> 00:21:11.869
rewrites himself. And then send that back to

00:21:11.869 --> 00:21:14.809
Jeremy to write the next part. So they were kind

00:21:14.809 --> 00:21:17.430
of like button heads the whole time. Okay. Yeah.

00:21:17.730 --> 00:21:19.910
If you have a co -writer and you're not telling

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them and you just do it yourself and you don't

00:21:22.549 --> 00:21:25.329
know the source material, you're going to have

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a bad time. But then Slater got sick of it and

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peaced out. Do you know who they brought in next?

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Simon Kinberg? Simon Kinberg. Do you know what

00:21:33.569 --> 00:21:38.190
else he wrote? I don't. Dark Phoenix. That's

00:21:38.190 --> 00:21:41.849
my one example. Oof. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's

00:21:41.849 --> 00:21:45.109
a big oof. But at least he's a comic book fan.

00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:47.750
Still. You know, that's something. Days of Future

00:21:47.750 --> 00:21:51.089
Past he was a producer on. Yeah, I guess. And

00:21:51.089 --> 00:21:53.890
I'm looking at some of his stuff. He wrote the

00:21:53.890 --> 00:21:59.019
screenplay for 355. um x -men apocalypse this

00:21:59.019 --> 00:22:05.299
means war sherlock holmes oh my god triple x

00:22:05.299 --> 00:22:10.359
state of the union baby yeah man oh no this guy

00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.839
on uh when when slater left they only had the

00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.880
first two acts that they hadn't started the third

00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:19.579
act go straight in like what he wrote and kenberg

00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.539
came in to help finish the movie jesus we haven't

00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:25.319
got to that point yet but when it makes a dramatic

00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:28.299
turn from a comic book movie to a body horror

00:22:28.299 --> 00:22:31.759
movie kenberg was the writer now okay that makes

00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:34.079
a lot of sense that does not belong in this movie

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um so we also meet at this point or get a little

00:22:40.059 --> 00:22:42.680
more intro to franklin storm dr franklin storm

00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:46.559
uh he is in trouble with the board when we first

00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:53.029
meet him that is being run by uh uh who is Dr.

00:22:53.269 --> 00:22:56.809
Harvey. Sorry, I'm just all over the place with

00:22:56.809 --> 00:23:01.869
my notes and everything like that. He's basically

00:23:01.869 --> 00:23:04.509
defending the fact that he takes these kids into

00:23:04.509 --> 00:23:08.450
the Baxter Institute, including Victor Von Doom,

00:23:08.630 --> 00:23:11.990
who was already there and got busted for something.

00:23:12.109 --> 00:23:14.130
We don't know what, but busted for something.

00:23:15.269 --> 00:23:21.130
Dr. Harvey is not on board. dr franklin wants

00:23:21.130 --> 00:23:23.809
to bring him in because he knows this is the

00:23:23.809 --> 00:23:29.329
kid he's going to help us get it done is he's

00:23:29.329 --> 00:23:31.269
only willing to play ball because sue's there

00:23:31.269 --> 00:23:35.130
yes by the way yeah uh can i also say is he a

00:23:35.130 --> 00:23:39.130
shut -in i would say so right like at least the

00:23:39.130 --> 00:23:42.289
way we're first introduced to him and i think

00:23:42.289 --> 00:23:45.089
all the kids except johnny we're supposed to

00:23:45.089 --> 00:23:49.920
believe are either orphans or were like abandoned

00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:54.160
by their families so johnny is franklin's kid

00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:58.240
yes he was adopted yep and i maybe since victor

00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.539
but it seemed like victor's was an orphan living

00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:04.440
at the baxter right which yeah that definitely

00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.559
seemed like so he had his own room and franklin

00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.000
would bring him groceries and it just seemed

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.640
like he was a shut -in like he wasn't he's got

00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.220
the eye thing that lets him control those shutters

00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:18.130
in the door yeah right yeah um and i mean that

00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:21.849
makes sense because like okay ben wasn't attending

00:24:21.849 --> 00:24:23.589
the baxter institute but his family definitely

00:24:23.589 --> 00:24:28.009
let him go um and reed's parents just like kind

00:24:28.009 --> 00:24:31.990
of said do what you do and just don't don't yeah

00:24:31.990 --> 00:24:35.250
don't turn off the uh the game while i'm watching

00:24:35.250 --> 00:24:39.690
it yeah and yeah i think the only interaction

00:24:39.690 --> 00:24:42.470
we saw was his stepdad yelling at him as he ran

00:24:42.470 --> 00:24:47.049
out of the house so exactly um I also love the

00:24:47.049 --> 00:24:49.490
fact, so we're talking about the fact that they

00:24:49.490 --> 00:24:51.130
just so happen to be working on this project.

00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:55.049
Victor also has the same idea and just so happens

00:24:55.049 --> 00:25:00.569
to have the same kind of idea of it. And he's

00:25:00.569 --> 00:25:02.910
just, he's also on board because he wants to

00:25:02.910 --> 00:25:04.829
see the guy that ripped him off because he thinks

00:25:04.829 --> 00:25:08.410
he just stole his idea. And I think this is the

00:25:08.410 --> 00:25:11.529
first time continuity gets thrown off because

00:25:11.529 --> 00:25:15.960
of the reshoots. Okay. Cause we saw Victor a

00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.400
second ago, shut in looking long, shaggy hair

00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:21.720
or the thing. Next time we see him at the lab,

00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.339
two minutes later, haircut, shave beard. It's

00:25:25.339 --> 00:25:30.640
like perfectly like neat and trim. Yeah. It could

00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.599
just be, he got a haircut. That's fine too. But

00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:34.660
there's so many other places we haven't gotten

00:25:34.660 --> 00:25:37.640
to the first time. We see Kate Mara and her blonde

00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.019
wig. Yes. Our miles with the beard. He refused

00:25:41.019 --> 00:25:45.710
to cut. Exactly. It's also strange because I

00:25:45.710 --> 00:25:47.970
don't know how much time passes in this movie

00:25:47.970 --> 00:25:50.470
at all. Except for the seven years in one year.

00:25:50.589 --> 00:25:54.349
Otherwise, we don't know anything. Because when

00:25:54.349 --> 00:25:57.089
we first get introduced to Johnny, Johnny is...

00:25:57.089 --> 00:25:59.230
I may be skipping a little ahead just because.

00:26:00.650 --> 00:26:03.910
But when we first get introduced to Johnny, he

00:26:03.910 --> 00:26:07.309
is in a street race. And his dad's trying to

00:26:07.309 --> 00:26:10.650
call him and get his attention. And he breaks

00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:13.930
his arm. And it's like one scene of putting this

00:26:13.930 --> 00:26:16.849
stuff together. He's in a sling. And then after

00:26:16.849 --> 00:26:20.509
that, no more broken arm. Never. All I have in

00:26:20.509 --> 00:26:25.809
my notes is Michael B drag racing. I had that.

00:26:25.829 --> 00:26:29.210
He was drag racing in a busted Toyota. Yeah.

00:26:29.289 --> 00:26:30.750
I was like, how are you going to blow your transmission

00:26:30.750 --> 00:26:36.009
in fourth gear? But the only other line, cause

00:26:36.009 --> 00:26:40.390
I feel like it's. I felt like there's an important

00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:42.410
line that I was, I was jumping ahead because

00:26:42.410 --> 00:26:44.670
of Michael B. Jordan, but like when Victor's

00:26:44.670 --> 00:26:47.529
talking about like the, maybe the world doesn't

00:26:47.529 --> 00:26:50.069
need saving because of like what the earth has

00:26:50.069 --> 00:26:52.869
done and everything. And she goes, whoa, Dr.

00:26:52.970 --> 00:26:57.390
Doom over here. Yeah. Roll credits. Not quite

00:26:57.390 --> 00:27:00.829
though. Not quite. I think this is where we get

00:27:00.829 --> 00:27:04.650
the Hitler joke too. Cause apparently Johnny

00:27:04.650 --> 00:27:08.230
has history with doom. They don't like each other.

00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.279
Yes, he called Adolf when he first, yeah, walks

00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.700
in. Yeah, that is true because, and that is actually

00:27:15.700 --> 00:27:18.460
a good reoccurring bit in my mind when he starts

00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:21.579
calling him different names than Victor. Like,

00:27:21.579 --> 00:27:24.500
there was another one he called him. It was,

00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:27.339
oh, I can't remember, but he called him Adolf

00:27:27.339 --> 00:27:31.299
at that one point. And, you know, it's just Johnny

00:27:31.299 --> 00:27:34.539
being Johnny. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it's

00:27:34.539 --> 00:27:37.460
funny. Yeah, so they have a montage of the team

00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:40.920
trying to come together and work well. And one

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.400
of the things that Johnny's working on is welding.

00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.240
Is welding. That's the thing. I kept catching

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:53.279
things. They were so proud of themselves for

00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.059
foreshadowing. Because Ben said rocks the first

00:27:56.059 --> 00:27:57.740
time when they were kids. He's like, it turned

00:27:57.740 --> 00:27:59.900
into rocks. I didn't even think of that. That's

00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:02.299
funny. Yeah, so they did that. They did the fact

00:28:02.299 --> 00:28:05.480
that he was welding. The music in the sound waves

00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.400
is supposed to be how she's controlling the...

00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.960
Oh, shut up. Yeah, but that's what it is. It's

00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.920
sound waves. And so all of these things, and

00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.440
there's one more example that comes up in a little

00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.500
bit, but all of them have this foreshadowing

00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:24.859
scene, and it drove me insane because each one

00:28:24.859 --> 00:28:28.519
I'm just kind of like, come on now. We're having

00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.660
him weld. What was Reed's stretchy thing? So

00:28:32.660 --> 00:28:35.859
Reed's is coming up the first time they're on

00:28:35.859 --> 00:28:39.440
a planet zero. Oh, okay. So I'll get to it. Okay.

00:28:39.460 --> 00:28:42.019
But I watched this with my kids again, cause

00:28:42.019 --> 00:28:43.819
they were pretty funny. You'll see in the future

00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:46.500
episode with master disguise. And June was just

00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:48.380
like, for real, what are all these tubes? Is

00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:49.880
that all they're doing is just making tubes.

00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:58.369
Everything's just tubes. Yes. And then. we get

00:28:58.369 --> 00:29:01.049
the we get the whole thing where they're showing

00:29:01.049 --> 00:29:03.150
all the work and then it cuts to them and then

00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:06.789
it cuts back and we get a different time lapse

00:29:06.789 --> 00:29:09.910
of everything they built coming together it's

00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:13.690
just like yeah and my favorite part about this

00:29:13.690 --> 00:29:16.670
is like there's a um there's a scene where sue

00:29:16.670 --> 00:29:20.450
comes over and like reed is falling asleep and

00:29:20.450 --> 00:29:22.710
she's like you can go to sleep you know and he's

00:29:22.710 --> 00:29:24.670
just like oh sorry it's just like rest of my

00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:27.539
eyes whatever and they have like a cute moment

00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:30.599
victor catches them and victor is like you're

00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.839
being very unprofessional like the two of you

00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:35.519
in here and everything like that the project's

00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:40.640
not done yet and reads like no it's done oh okay

00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:45.039
okay it's just done this project is done good

00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:50.460
okay yeah um it just makes me laugh because like

00:29:51.529 --> 00:29:54.130
they just want victor and reed to be at each

00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:56.529
other's throats and they had only a short amount

00:29:56.529 --> 00:30:00.430
of time to do it yeah and so there's like these

00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:02.930
moments where it feels very artificial where

00:30:02.930 --> 00:30:04.670
victor's just like i'm just gonna be mad at you

00:30:04.670 --> 00:30:06.829
just to be mad at you yeah during the time lapse

00:30:06.829 --> 00:30:10.410
he's like erasing his math and rewriting it and

00:30:10.410 --> 00:30:12.690
then they just do the opposite like two frames

00:30:12.690 --> 00:30:15.910
later yep exactly that's exactly it where reed

00:30:16.269 --> 00:30:18.730
erases write something down and they're pointing

00:30:18.730 --> 00:30:20.970
at the thing and oh yeah yeah that makes sense

00:30:20.970 --> 00:30:27.690
uh right right after that time read text ben

00:30:27.690 --> 00:30:30.069
to tell him hey we did it we couldn't have done

00:30:30.069 --> 00:30:31.950
it without you which doesn't make sense they

00:30:31.950 --> 00:30:37.730
did it without him um go ahead i think you're

00:30:37.730 --> 00:30:40.589
gonna point out the same thing yeah like he's

00:30:40.589 --> 00:30:43.529
so happy for his friends he breaks all physics

00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:46.259
in the movie like he just loses his backpack

00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:51.680
his earphones he goes outside it's at 27 36 if

00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.619
anybody's wants to see this continuity error

00:30:54.619 --> 00:30:57.720
i'm talking about uh that's not actually what

00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.099
i was going to talk about but that's so fun that's

00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:03.420
also great he's pushing his bike in yeah got

00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:07.579
ear pods he's got the bike backpack his brothers

00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:10.259
are sitting at a table and then he's looking

00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:11.839
then he looks at his phone then it cuts back

00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.079
he's outside no bike no backpack no earpods no

00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.759
people behind him i didn't catch that at all

00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.220
oh my god that's amazing yeah that's definitely

00:31:21.220 --> 00:31:23.240
um what i was going to point out was i was looking

00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.599
at the phone and there's only like three messages

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.599
total between these two and it's just read like

00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.559
it's just read sending texts like miss you buddy

00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.119
work hard today that's so funny couldn't have

00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.160
done it without you picture No, I got stuck in

00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.619
a loop just rewinding it, trying to make sense

00:31:41.619 --> 00:31:43.480
of the continuity thing. I missed that part.

00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.799
I did not see that at all. I need to go back

00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.940
and find this. You said, what, 27, 13? 27, 36.

00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.059
36, okay. 27, 36. All right. That requires me

00:31:55.059 --> 00:31:58.160
to go back. I don't know if I want to. I don't.

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.460
That's amazing. I didn't notice that at all.

00:32:03.019 --> 00:32:05.819
Yeah, I was just noticing the four texts on their

00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:11.160
chain. All right. So now, as we said, the project

00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.559
is finished. It's testing day. Dr. Harvey comes

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.240
with the rest of the board. They're ready. They're

00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.299
going to test this out with this awful CGI monkey

00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:25.339
that just sits there. Yeah. Like that's all he

00:32:25.339 --> 00:32:28.380
does. They put them in one of the tubes, close

00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:31.799
the door, and they send a monkey to space. Yeah.

00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.420
Or I guess the alternate timeline or whatever,

00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.640
the alternate dimension. I thought the parts

00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.299
when you saw his face on the screen were pretty

00:32:38.299 --> 00:32:40.380
good, but that's like one little flash out of

00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:43.019
the hole. So the monkey, their Ray -Bans are

00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:47.119
going to protect them too. From the monkey himself

00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.440
looked awful. But yes, I'm with you on the screen.

00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:53.240
It looked all right. But when they like put them

00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.920
in, I'm just like, Oh God, he's just brighter

00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.339
than everything. Yeah. Like carrying him out.

00:32:58.539 --> 00:33:00.759
Yeah. They just didn't render him in right at

00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:07.779
all. But it did make me laugh that this CGI monkey,

00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:10.220
they're going to send to the middle of nowhere

00:33:10.220 --> 00:33:14.220
and then bring it right back. So they do it.

00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.859
The monkey is a success. And Dr. Harvey's all

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.799
up. Yes, this is great. We're going to start

00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.539
talking to our friends at NASA. We're going to

00:33:24.539 --> 00:33:28.460
get people to go to this planet. NASA? Hold on.

00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:31.500
This could be us. No, we're going to do this.

00:33:31.579 --> 00:33:36.339
This is what we were promised. Oh, who promised

00:33:36.339 --> 00:33:38.980
you that? Who promised you that? Yeah, exactly.

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.420
Not anybody in this movie. No, Dr. Franklin did.

00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.960
That was one of the stipulations Victor had.

00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.400
Yeah, that's one of the stipulations Victor had.

00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.960
I'll give it to them. They didn't lose that one.

00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.099
Oh, you mean Borat? Yes, Borat. That's it. Damn

00:33:55.099 --> 00:33:59.500
it. You figured it out. Damn it. That's his second

00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:03.079
nickname. So Borat slash Victor. He was the one

00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:04.759
that said, no, we're going to do this ourselves

00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.920
and that kind of stuff. But Dr. Harvey wants

00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.440
to coordinate with NASA. And so what do you do

00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.800
when the one thing you want to do more than anything?

00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.760
What do you do? You get drunk and then you call

00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:21.940
your buddy who hasn't been in the movie for the

00:34:21.940 --> 00:34:25.800
last 20 minutes. And you give a whole speech

00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.900
about the people that created the Apollo space

00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:30.820
project and how they're forgotten and that you

00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:33.400
still know Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, all those

00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:36.380
guys. And so don't forget the three movies that

00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:38.119
have come out about engineers since then, but

00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.400
that's right. Yeah, exactly. But, uh, so they're

00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.639
drunk. They're going to jump in the machine and

00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.260
they're going to test it themselves. And this

00:34:48.260 --> 00:34:50.219
is a great idea. They're going to bring an American

00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:54.070
flag with two to stamp it in there. I love that

00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:56.909
the custom suits that Sue made for everybody

00:34:56.909 --> 00:34:59.630
just happened to fit Ben Graham, who's never

00:34:59.630 --> 00:35:02.670
been in the lab before. He must have a really

00:35:02.670 --> 00:35:05.190
feminine body. He must have taken Sue's suit.

00:35:05.389 --> 00:35:07.630
Because in a Fantastic Four movie, we don't need

00:35:07.630 --> 00:35:12.010
Sue to go to this place. Where's Sue? Sue got

00:35:12.010 --> 00:35:14.670
completely left out. I felt so bad. I'm just

00:35:14.670 --> 00:35:17.869
like, dude, what the hell? But this is also one

00:35:17.869 --> 00:35:21.469
of the moments where it's like four in the morning

00:35:21.469 --> 00:35:25.059
and they've been drinking. And yet she's still

00:35:25.059 --> 00:35:28.000
up working because she has to be earlier. Yeah,

00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:30.880
we need her there. So she's up for some reason.

00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.519
Exactly. She's still up at 4 a .m. working for

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.360
some reason. We don't know why. Listening to

00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:41.179
music, of course. Before we go to Planet Zero

00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:44.519
with our heroes, I'm going to take a quick break

00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.920
because we got to give a shout out to two podcasts

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.199
that guessed this correct. Normally I have one.

00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.699
There was a little confusion on this one, and

00:35:52.699 --> 00:35:56.539
this was supposed to be for Superman 3. One of

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:58.940
the stipulations I say in our guessing game is

00:35:58.940 --> 00:36:01.860
that this may not be from the movie itself, like

00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:04.960
one of the hints and stuff like that. And so

00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:10.920
a friend of ours from Bad Movies We Love, sounds

00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.139
like a podcast up our alley, said, I don't think

00:36:15.139 --> 00:36:18.019
it's going to be Superman 3 because of that stipulation.

00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:21.920
So I'm going to guess this. And I kind of had

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:27.079
to say to them, hey, it may not be from that

00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.480
movie, but it may also be from that movie. Maybe

00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.059
you should guess again kind of thing. Well, in

00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:37.440
the time it took for him to guess again, somebody

00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.380
else had guessed from Shoot the Flick, another

00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:42.000
one of our favorite podcasts. These guys, we've

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:46.099
talked about them before. So these two, I'm going

00:36:46.099 --> 00:36:49.039
to just split. They both sent me a promo so I

00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.309
could tell you all about them. But I think they

00:36:51.309 --> 00:36:55.650
should just do that themselves. Hello, bad movie

00:36:55.650 --> 00:36:59.530
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00:36:59.530 --> 00:37:03.289
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00:37:03.289 --> 00:37:05.590
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00:37:18.949 --> 00:37:22.070
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00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.659
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00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.360
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00:38:00.699 --> 00:38:04.000
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00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.760
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00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:38.059
married couple shoot the flick. Wait, did you

00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:39.820
just call me old? No, I didn't mean it like that.

00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:42.420
Excuse me, sir. I don't know who you think you're

00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:44.860
talking to. It's just movies. Excuse me, sir.

00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.980
Thank you guys both for guessing. It's a weird

00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:51.420
one because we got two of you, but looking forward

00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:53.260
to listening to more of your shows, especially.

00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:57.139
Bad movies of sounds up our alley and shoot the

00:38:57.139 --> 00:38:59.019
flick. I always recommend to a lot of people.

00:38:59.059 --> 00:39:01.679
So thank you guys very much for guessing. We're

00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.619
back to a fantastic episode. Say it again. No,

00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:11.659
don't. We got to save that for the end. I'm going

00:39:11.659 --> 00:39:13.900
to work that in everywhere. So now we're on planet.

00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:17.039
We're on planet zero. And boy, oh boy. The CGI

00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:21.630
lighting is rough. Everything is green. everything's

00:39:21.630 --> 00:39:23.690
green except for what's not green that probably

00:39:23.690 --> 00:39:27.949
should be green so i i felt like planet zero

00:39:27.949 --> 00:39:31.570
was like it was just a sound stage it had to

00:39:31.570 --> 00:39:35.010
be but it was a sound stage that they like rented

00:39:35.010 --> 00:39:38.010
for the last five days of shooting so they just

00:39:38.010 --> 00:39:40.289
kind of said throw this stuff in here and we'll

00:39:40.289 --> 00:39:44.369
figure it out in post yeah because whenever they're

00:39:44.369 --> 00:39:47.389
on planet zero it looks awful to me Does Miles

00:39:47.389 --> 00:39:50.769
have a beard? Miles did not have a beard at this

00:39:50.769 --> 00:39:52.530
point, I don't think. Well, we don't know because

00:39:52.530 --> 00:39:55.030
the mask is covering it up. I wonder if this

00:39:55.030 --> 00:39:58.170
is a reshoot, a rewrite and a reshoot. Because

00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:00.909
they didn't know that Doom was going to be on

00:40:00.909 --> 00:40:04.429
the end planet and stuff. Right. So who knows?

00:40:06.329 --> 00:40:09.969
They didn't blow up. They made it up there. And

00:40:09.969 --> 00:40:13.070
Sue gets a notification that they had taken it.

00:40:13.130 --> 00:40:16.760
So she jumps on a computer because. she has to

00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.300
nobody else does no you would think franklin

00:40:20.300 --> 00:40:24.340
who is in charge of this big project would get

00:40:24.340 --> 00:40:25.960
like a notification to his phone or something

00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.300
like that and that lab wasn't big where's the

00:40:29.300 --> 00:40:31.960
computer i just assumed it was in the same room

00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.699
and she just didn't notice them going in there

00:40:34.699 --> 00:40:37.380
or blasting off or anything so it looked like

00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:39.539
she was like in a control room or something like

00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:42.000
that i don't know like off to the side must have

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.920
been right like i don't know what it is I think

00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:46.880
we're being kind by trying to make it make sense.

00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:48.860
It doesn't make sense that she didn't see it.

00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.599
So yeah, exactly. But luckily she has her push

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:58.320
notifications on. Yeah. It's huge. So she finds

00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.579
out they left. She hops on a computer in the

00:41:00.579 --> 00:41:05.420
lab and is trying to find the video feed. Yep.

00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:08.920
And so they're in this alternate dimension. They

00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.409
plant the American flag. And they start seeing

00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:15.110
like this energy field and they want to get to

00:41:15.110 --> 00:41:20.269
the source of it. Yep. Johnny's not going. Johnny's

00:41:20.269 --> 00:41:22.429
not going. Johnny's the anchor. Johnny's the

00:41:22.429 --> 00:41:26.030
anchor. He's not going. And then Victor leads

00:41:26.030 --> 00:41:30.030
Ben and Reed down to the source of the energy.

00:41:31.269 --> 00:41:35.389
Yep. You know, as anyone would do the first time

00:41:35.389 --> 00:41:40.210
on a alien planet. i've seen enough alien movies

00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:43.170
to know this is a bad idea absolutely you do

00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:45.269
not climb down the cliff you do not put your

00:41:45.269 --> 00:41:49.150
hand in the energy pool right like yeah all right

00:41:49.150 --> 00:41:51.349
i'm okay with going down the cliff and like getting

00:41:51.349 --> 00:41:55.369
closer but i mean like there's like elbow deep

00:41:55.369 --> 00:41:58.769
in this oh yeah he's like he's like oh this thing

00:41:58.769 --> 00:42:02.269
is cool that's another little a little chronicle

00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:04.630
thing i think the rocks floating up towards his

00:42:04.630 --> 00:42:08.039
hand yeah Yeah, exactly. Yes, that definitely.

00:42:08.260 --> 00:42:10.659
I don't remember a lot of Chronicle, but I do

00:42:10.659 --> 00:42:13.039
remember that. So I think you're exactly right

00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.280
about that, where they were reacting to the human

00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.199
touch and everything like that. And then he finally

00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:24.119
dips his hand in. And the entire planet starts

00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.360
to implode pretty much. Yeah, nothing can go

00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:32.139
wrong with that. Right. It'll be just fine. Is

00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:37.699
the ooze alive? I mean, it's got to be right.

00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:41.619
I mean, we don't know. And this entire movie

00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:44.940
is exposition driven. It's all, you know, a lot

00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:49.980
of times most movie makers show don't tell. Josh

00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:52.019
just wanted to flip the script on this one. He's

00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:53.219
like, we're going to tell everything and not

00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.139
show at all. This one's got to have some. Yeah.

00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.780
Like it moves towards them. Right. And seems

00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:03.679
to specifically pick out Victor. Right. From

00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.730
everybody else. Yep. Well, so when the, when

00:43:06.730 --> 00:43:08.590
the planet starts to implode, this was the other

00:43:08.590 --> 00:43:10.750
moment. So they start climbing up the rock face

00:43:10.750 --> 00:43:13.650
and everything like that. And Victor falls and

00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.789
Reed catches him. And it's one of those like

00:43:15.789 --> 00:43:19.710
moments. Oh, and that's supposed to be the stretch.

00:43:19.889 --> 00:43:23.530
His arm pulls a little bit. Okay. And it's the

00:43:23.530 --> 00:43:26.949
slightest thing, but again, it's one of those

00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:32.929
like, Oh, remember he's the stretchy one. So

00:43:32.929 --> 00:43:38.769
he gets rocks. He gets fire. And they get stretchy

00:43:38.769 --> 00:43:44.150
and invisible for reasons. Yep. Because when

00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:48.449
they're getting back in the pods, Ben gets covered

00:43:48.449 --> 00:43:51.550
in rocks for some reason. We don't know why the

00:43:51.550 --> 00:43:52.769
rocks are flying towards him. His door won't

00:43:52.769 --> 00:43:55.789
close and then the rocks just start blowing in

00:43:55.789 --> 00:43:59.329
on him. And Johnny headbutts the window. and

00:43:59.329 --> 00:44:02.449
fire comes in yep it combusts and sets them on

00:44:02.449 --> 00:44:05.670
fire yep so what were you gonna say though oh

00:44:05.670 --> 00:44:07.489
no no that's that's exactly what i was gonna

00:44:07.489 --> 00:44:10.510
say yeah yeah um sue's able to bring them back

00:44:10.510 --> 00:44:13.750
and when they land it does like this concussive

00:44:13.750 --> 00:44:19.389
burst that hits her with this like it's invisible

00:44:19.389 --> 00:44:23.110
projectile i guess it's different this time for

00:44:23.110 --> 00:44:26.219
some reason because it needs to be really because

00:44:26.219 --> 00:44:28.099
nobody got superpowers when they brought the

00:44:28.099 --> 00:44:31.239
monkey back and it was the same monkey didn't

00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.380
touch the ooze monkey didn't touch the ooze smarter

00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:37.900
than these guys exactly yeah so that's that's

00:44:37.900 --> 00:44:39.699
the reason why this monkey didn't get out of

00:44:39.699 --> 00:44:43.219
his chair but here comes the switch because this

00:44:43.219 --> 00:44:46.239
is no longer a comic book movie from this point

00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.360
on it's a body horror film right because they

00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:54.329
wake up in the lab reed has his foot stuck but

00:44:54.329 --> 00:44:57.449
he can hear ben crying out but all he sees is

00:44:57.449 --> 00:45:00.369
a pile of rocks yep and he can't get to him he

00:45:00.369 --> 00:45:03.349
turns around his leg is like what 15 20 feet

00:45:03.349 --> 00:45:05.829
long stuck underneath stuff didn't realize that

00:45:05.829 --> 00:45:07.550
it was stretching behind him and that he was

00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:11.389
still stuck he sees johnny on fire yep and then

00:45:11.389 --> 00:45:13.969
he blacked out again johnny's like a like burnt

00:45:13.969 --> 00:45:16.889
to a crisp at this point he's like yeah he looks

00:45:16.889 --> 00:45:20.250
like he's just like dead but yes he does black

00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:22.489
out seeing his foot like that And this could

00:45:22.489 --> 00:45:25.949
be an interesting part. Again, kind of like Chronicle.

00:45:26.010 --> 00:45:28.510
They're freaking out about what their bodies

00:45:28.510 --> 00:45:30.150
are going through with these changes. It could

00:45:30.150 --> 00:45:32.130
be an interesting... What's that movie with the

00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:33.889
little kid that has the powers like Superman?

00:45:34.130 --> 00:45:36.489
Brightburn. I knew exactly where you were going

00:45:36.489 --> 00:45:38.849
with that. Same. Yes. Because that's an interesting

00:45:38.849 --> 00:45:42.050
take on superheroes. And this could be that,

00:45:42.210 --> 00:45:45.650
but it's not. It could have taken a much darker

00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:48.869
turn, and that would have been interesting. But

00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:53.769
instead, Reed leaves. yes he just leaves well

00:45:53.769 --> 00:45:57.289
so reed like here's ben crying out in his room

00:45:57.289 --> 00:46:00.550
crawls through a vent is able to like get himself

00:46:00.550 --> 00:46:03.070
out of the restraints crawls through a vent and

00:46:03.070 --> 00:46:05.269
then the alarm starts going off and reed's like

00:46:05.269 --> 00:46:09.750
i'm gonna fix this and he just leaves and it

00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:11.849
was horrible like he looks like he's in pain

00:46:11.849 --> 00:46:15.050
like they're fully leaning into the cronenbergness

00:46:15.050 --> 00:46:18.329
of the stretching he looks like he's in pain

00:46:18.329 --> 00:46:22.230
he's making awful noises right and it doesn't

00:46:22.230 --> 00:46:24.369
help that ben's also suffering like he sounds

00:46:24.369 --> 00:46:26.829
like he's hurting too he doesn't even have a

00:46:26.829 --> 00:46:29.429
hand until he reaches for reed and he makes one

00:46:29.429 --> 00:46:33.409
yeah right and uh right before this johnny's

00:46:33.409 --> 00:46:38.889
in a room on a table being watched and he his

00:46:38.889 --> 00:46:40.949
fire flares up for some reason it breaks the

00:46:40.949 --> 00:46:45.230
glass nothing else in the lab is damaged at all

00:46:45.230 --> 00:46:47.949
yep the table he's on so i guess fire really

00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:54.119
can't melt steel It does no damage. Yeah. Yeah.

00:46:55.539 --> 00:46:57.579
Yeah. Good thing they had all those fire resistant

00:46:57.579 --> 00:47:02.320
tables. Good thing. Oh my gosh. And then we get

00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.619
another time jump. Yep. That's another year later.

00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.099
Yeah. This is where it'd be interesting of like,

00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.820
you know, they're learning how to use their bodies

00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:13.639
again and what these powers mean. But instead

00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.380
we just cut a year forward, miss out on any lessons

00:47:17.380 --> 00:47:21.079
and they can just use their powers. pretty good

00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.079
yeah the only one that's kind of struggling is

00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:26.960
sue and it's more so like control it's not really

00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.579
she knows how to use it but it's more so like

00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:33.019
staying invisible for long periods of time so

00:47:33.019 --> 00:47:35.179
i didn't catch this when i was watching it but

00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:40.079
i saw it on new rock stars ben is now being used

00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.900
by the military to do i guess like um he's doing

00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:48.860
special ops pretty much special ops yeah it said

00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:52.059
he killed he had 43 confirmed deaths i think

00:47:52.059 --> 00:47:54.559
is what it said and then it had his birth year

00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.179
is 1986 and like hold on in 2007 they were in

00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:05.880
third grade so he would have been like in his

00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:10.099
40s or his early 30s breaks physics he's immortal

00:48:10.099 --> 00:48:15.400
yeah murdering people murdering people i did

00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.340
want them to lean into that a little more because

00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:21.079
like all of the videos we saw were just him in

00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.320
his big rock form killing people and i think

00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.719
they alluded to the fact that like he could camouflage

00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.980
as like rocks in the desert so like hunger like

00:48:30.980 --> 00:48:33.840
hunger games kind of yeah yeah like that like

00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.099
he's just he just blends in kind of i don't know

00:48:36.099 --> 00:48:38.780
they they kind of alluded to it and i kind of

00:48:38.780 --> 00:48:40.820
wanted to see that but instead they just show

00:48:40.820 --> 00:48:43.000
him like going on rampage and he's just the hulk

00:48:43.530 --> 00:48:45.869
is it yeah it's like isn't the tank scene literally

00:48:45.869 --> 00:48:49.190
from the hulk movie it might be it fully might

00:48:49.190 --> 00:48:52.090
be that would be interesting actually you know

00:48:52.090 --> 00:48:56.150
possibly they just cgi'd the thing in instead

00:48:56.150 --> 00:48:59.730
of the hulk which they don't say the thing ever

00:48:59.730 --> 00:49:02.889
either but that's probably the best yeah johnny

00:49:02.889 --> 00:49:06.730
says it kind of right before we get the end card

00:49:06.730 --> 00:49:12.750
yeah right um and then they're yeah they're in

00:49:12.750 --> 00:49:15.150
the lab reed has left he's been gone for a year

00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:18.929
no one's heard from him and then sue turned like

00:49:18.929 --> 00:49:23.590
turns on him i guess because well so what he

00:49:23.590 --> 00:49:26.210
wants to do is he wants to rebuild the quantum

00:49:26.210 --> 00:49:28.730
gate is what they called it because anything

00:49:28.730 --> 00:49:34.320
smart has quantum in it um So he wants to rebuild

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.639
the quantum gate and more so because he thinks

00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.159
he can get like more, they can harness this power

00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.440
and get like an army of these special agents

00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.739
kind of thing. Oh yeah. Yep. And the reason she

00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:50.260
kind of turns on him is because Johnny has now

00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:52.340
learned to control his powers enough to go on

00:49:52.340 --> 00:49:55.820
these special ops. Yeah. Just want to mention

00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:58.039
real fast. We're at 45 minutes into the movie

00:49:58.039 --> 00:49:59.880
and all four of them have not been on screen

00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:06.110
together. Yep. yeah yeah yeah that's i mean that's

00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:09.650
completely true because they they go to space

00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:14.730
without sue even uh -huh um but yeah so johnny

00:50:14.730 --> 00:50:16.829
is about ready now to go on these own special

00:50:16.829 --> 00:50:19.090
ops and he wants to because he wants to make

00:50:19.090 --> 00:50:22.969
a difference yeah sue is worried about him and

00:50:22.969 --> 00:50:27.829
that's why she kind of turns um she doesn't i

00:50:27.829 --> 00:50:30.929
mean let's face it somebody like ben could get

00:50:30.929 --> 00:50:33.840
shot at somebody like johnny is still just on

00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.480
fire like maybe melting bullets who knows but

00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.980
yeah more likely he's a lot more of a soft target

00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:45.280
i think so too yeah yeah so that's the reason

00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.480
why she kind of turns on this whole thing and

00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.380
she doesn't want to really help then the military

00:50:50.380 --> 00:50:52.860
hasn't been able to find him in a year yes she

00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:55.460
does in about five minutes yes because of reasons

00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:59.829
because of patterns And because of Captain Nemo,

00:50:59.889 --> 00:51:02.130
the book they talked about that one time in the

00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:06.489
library at the very beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Which

00:51:06.489 --> 00:51:09.369
is also hysterical to me that he signs his emails.

00:51:09.469 --> 00:51:13.309
Captain Nemo. It's so funny. Yeah. Oh, I think

00:51:13.309 --> 00:51:15.769
this is I don't want to skip it too hard. This

00:51:15.769 --> 00:51:18.710
is the first Kate Mara and her blonde wig. Yes.

00:51:18.710 --> 00:51:22.550
Because during her reshoots for the next role,

00:51:22.630 --> 00:51:26.349
she has shaved her head. And I think she was

00:51:26.349 --> 00:51:30.139
doing. a girl in a spider web wasn't she oh that

00:51:30.139 --> 00:51:32.320
must be what it was yeah i think that's what

00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.219
it was they're like just put a blonde wig on

00:51:34.219 --> 00:51:36.340
her they didn't even account for like her roots

00:51:36.340 --> 00:51:38.980
or anything that you see earlier and later in

00:51:38.980 --> 00:51:43.980
the movie yeah exactly um i'm trying to figure

00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:46.500
it out oh i forgot she was in transcendence god

00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:53.199
damn fuck that movie uh cover that movie I covered

00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.519
that movie in a previous episode, and I can tell

00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:00.000
you right now that movie sucked. So 2015, she

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.559
was doing The Martian. Yeah. What else was she

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.280
doing? That came really close to this one, too.

00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:13.079
Yeah. I guess not. Well, you're looking that

00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:17.559
up. Yeah. Is what Reed is doing in South America,

00:52:17.739 --> 00:52:24.559
is that brownface? So, I mean, he morphs his

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.239
face. And can speak fluent Spanish, by the way.

00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:30.300
Something we've never seen him do before. Yes,

00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.260
exactly. We've never seen him do that before.

00:52:32.420 --> 00:52:34.760
But somehow, someway, he's able to just speak

00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.579
Spanish now. And he's morphed his face to look

00:52:37.579 --> 00:52:42.139
like he's from there. Yes. To hide his face.

00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.420
Right. His hair, too, a little bit. Yep. Yeah,

00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:51.099
he's able to completely blend in. But... He kind

00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:53.159
of looks like... Who's the guy that plays the

00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:58.760
Punisher? Jon Bernthal. It kind of looks like

00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:03.300
him. Yeah, I can see that. I also was very wrong

00:53:03.300 --> 00:53:07.340
about Kate Mara. She was not the person. Well,

00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.480
Rooney Mara was in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:13.440
I do not remember who was in the sequel. Okay.

00:53:14.380 --> 00:53:16.820
I thought it was Kate Mara for some reason, but

00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:20.619
it's not. yeah well she shaved her hair for something

00:53:20.619 --> 00:53:22.340
she shaved her hair for something i can't figure

00:53:22.340 --> 00:53:25.000
out what because like the next big thing she

00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:26.940
was she was doing house of cards at that point

00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:33.500
and then she also did like um oh what was it

00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:35.340
i just clicked off her page it doesn't matter

00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.719
it wasn't one that i would say she shaved her

00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:41.179
head for okay so she did for this and now she's

00:53:41.179 --> 00:53:44.639
wearing a bad blonde wig yes maybe she did it

00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.679
for like a an audition or something like that

00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.550
i don't know claire foy was in girl in the spider

00:53:49.550 --> 00:53:55.210
web that's okay okay well close enough um but

00:53:55.210 --> 00:53:57.389
yeah so she has her blonde wig and that that

00:53:57.389 --> 00:54:00.170
was the important thing that was that's the important

00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:04.369
thing yeah because it's terrible yeah and reed

00:54:04.369 --> 00:54:08.889
is now in his dead space outfit yes yeah it just

00:54:08.889 --> 00:54:11.050
looks like what you wear throughout all the dead

00:54:11.050 --> 00:54:14.610
space right yeah yeah he definitely could be

00:54:14.610 --> 00:54:17.639
cast in a dead space movie with that same costume

00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.699
i guess it helps him stretch but not tear the

00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:23.139
material or something well it looks like it's

00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:25.119
pieced together by like three different things

00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:28.840
so it's definitely like a rudimentary kind of

00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.099
suit that he made yeah so that he could stretch

00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:35.519
because he's able to when she catches him they

00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.380
send all these army guys and he's still able

00:54:38.380 --> 00:54:40.199
to like stretch and hit them all and everything

00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:44.860
like that yeah um this is i think the first beard

00:54:44.860 --> 00:54:48.400
scene Yes. He definitely has a beard at this

00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.639
point. He didn't have a beard at the store where

00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:55.340
he was speaking Spanish. But now he does. Oh,

00:54:55.340 --> 00:54:58.480
man. The CGI during the fight with the thing.

00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:02.780
When they're using their powers, the stretching

00:55:02.780 --> 00:55:07.199
looks decent. It's hard to do, but you can also

00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:12.559
tell Miles is not there. Because he shot all

00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.719
these on a green screen and reshoots. And it

00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.019
definitely feels like it's, it's pieced together

00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:22.400
in there where it's like, okay, he's going to

00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.719
stretch this way. But like that scene, there's

00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:28.280
nobody behind him or anything like that. Cause

00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.880
it's just, it's, it's fake background almost.

00:55:32.619 --> 00:55:35.360
And this is the first time he sees Ben since

00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.239
their transformation. Right. And they're sad

00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:41.179
all the way back. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very

00:55:41.179 --> 00:55:45.440
emotional reunion. Cause he kind of been head

00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.820
butts him and knocks him out and they fly back

00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:54.519
together and like reads in a jail cell, like

00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.559
clear jail cell, but they're able to talk. Yeah.

00:55:57.659 --> 00:56:00.099
It's like a tiny box. Like I think jail cell

00:56:00.099 --> 00:56:04.139
is almost too. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's a box

00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:09.559
with air holes. Yeah. But Ben kind of reveals

00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:13.139
they can't trust him anymore. And he like, gave

00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:16.079
up hope that he would come back and fix him and

00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.659
so it's just woe is me pity me oh no a whole

00:56:19.659 --> 00:56:25.860
year you were gone a whole year um but they get

00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:28.659
him back because he's the one guy that's going

00:56:28.659 --> 00:56:32.559
to be able to help them fix the gate and they

00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.980
have him in an interrogation room and sue talks

00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:37.960
him through it and gets him to agree to do it

00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:44.730
yep oh bad wig and beard in this shot yes and

00:56:44.730 --> 00:56:51.650
uh so he's able to like or he offers to help

00:56:51.650 --> 00:56:55.110
and franklin is like really happy to see him

00:56:55.110 --> 00:56:57.070
even though he won't look at him so it kind of

00:56:57.070 --> 00:57:00.530
shows like yeah okay we did miss you kind of

00:57:00.530 --> 00:57:08.309
um and so he he reads sits down this is my favorite

00:57:08.309 --> 00:57:11.869
thing he sits down he looks at the computer for

00:57:11.869 --> 00:57:14.159
a little bit And he goes, I need 10 minutes.

00:57:14.739 --> 00:57:17.480
I need 10 minutes, yeah. And Dr. Harvey's just

00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.219
like, before you start working, he's like, no,

00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.960
to fix your problems. It's like the source code.

00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.159
Like, what? You looked for 10 seconds and it's

00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.199
a source code issue? Yeah, and he knows right

00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.039
what line to fix and everything. He knows exactly

00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:36.400
where to go and he fixes it in 10 minutes. But

00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.079
that 10 minutes is just enough time so that Franklin

00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:42.809
can talk to Johnny about not... going on these

00:57:42.809 --> 00:57:47.289
missions yeah but he's got it fixed and johnny's

00:57:47.289 --> 00:57:50.929
not going johnny who are these guys that do get

00:57:50.929 --> 00:57:54.269
put in the thing they're just like grunts right

00:57:54.269 --> 00:57:56.969
like i think yeah just nameless i looked away

00:57:56.969 --> 00:57:58.670
for a second and then looked back and i was like

00:57:58.670 --> 00:58:00.510
who are these guys and they're like yeah i don't

00:58:00.510 --> 00:58:02.949
know they put a bunch of grunts in there to like

00:58:02.949 --> 00:58:05.710
go find stuff and everything like that and they

00:58:05.710 --> 00:58:07.710
fixed their video signal that's that was great

00:58:07.710 --> 00:58:09.929
because waiting on the video signal pissed me

00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:13.159
off each time what did they say Using an alternate

00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:18.820
frequency. Or something. Yeah. They used an alternate

00:58:18.820 --> 00:58:22.460
frequency on the monkey. So they can see everything.

00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.579
And then it didn't work on Sue. Until. They got

00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:30.239
back to the capsule. Yeah. Oh I forgot to mention

00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:33.239
this too. I have this in my notes. Tim Blake

00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.639
Nelson decided to chew gum. For the whole back

00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.800
half of the movie. So after the one year later.

00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.260
In every scene he's chewing gum. And it's just

00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:46.230
like. Why? He's going to town. Yeah, it's very

00:58:46.230 --> 00:58:52.489
apparent. Maybe to get us to not like him? I

00:58:52.489 --> 00:58:55.349
already didn't care for him that much. I hate

00:58:55.349 --> 00:59:00.110
him more because of that. Yeah. So the grunts

00:59:00.110 --> 00:59:04.789
go to Planet Zero. And what do you know it? Victor

00:59:04.789 --> 00:59:08.050
shows up. They find a heat signature. Yeah. Crazy.

00:59:08.130 --> 00:59:12.210
It's Victor. Yeah. Yeah. He's safe. They can

00:59:12.210 --> 00:59:14.570
save the day. They can bring him back. Yeah.

00:59:14.570 --> 00:59:19.050
Bring him back. And he's just covered in gray,

00:59:19.190 --> 00:59:23.289
green material. Yeah. It looks like his, uh,

00:59:23.329 --> 00:59:26.130
the suit they wore that Sue had made has like

00:59:26.130 --> 00:59:30.570
fused with his body. And now everything's already

00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:33.230
been kind of going fast. Now we're going turbo

00:59:33.230 --> 00:59:34.989
mode because there's like 20 minutes left in

00:59:34.989 --> 00:59:36.849
the movie and we got to wrap this thing up. We

00:59:36.849 --> 00:59:39.989
got to get this done. What did they say? I wrote

00:59:39.989 --> 00:59:42.570
biochemistry is off the chart. What does that

00:59:42.570 --> 00:59:47.710
possibly mean? I caught that one too. Biochemistry

00:59:47.710 --> 00:59:52.650
is off the chart. What is that? All right. Biochemistry,

00:59:52.789 --> 00:59:55.769
man. It's off the chart. He's kind of metal -y.

00:59:56.070 --> 01:00:00.829
Yep. He looks like he's just like... he's just

01:00:00.829 --> 01:00:02.989
wearing an iron man suit that happens to have,

01:00:03.070 --> 01:00:06.969
I was saying like that pottery in Chinese culture

01:00:06.969 --> 01:00:09.230
that they put the gold to like fix it. Oh yeah.

01:00:09.329 --> 01:00:11.789
Yeah. It looks like that with green instead of

01:00:11.789 --> 01:00:13.869
the gold. Like that's, that's what I feel like

01:00:13.869 --> 01:00:16.650
it is. Toby Kebbell did not come back for most

01:00:16.650 --> 01:00:19.409
of these reshoots. Okay. That's not, that's not

01:00:19.409 --> 01:00:24.409
him under. That does not help. Yeah. Okay. But

01:00:24.409 --> 01:00:28.900
doom wakes up for some reason. I feel like I

01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:31.099
said for some reason a lot more than I've said

01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:33.320
on any other episode I've done with you. It's

01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:35.380
a lot of for some reason, but I think that's

01:00:35.380 --> 01:00:37.420
just for some reason. I don't think there is

01:00:37.420 --> 01:00:40.679
a reason. What are his powers? Because what happens

01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.179
now, he sits up, makes the TV fall on the scientists

01:00:43.179 --> 01:00:46.079
that are watching from the lab, and then explodes

01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.960
Tim Blake Nelson's head from the inside out.

01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.159
I feel like it's telekinesis, but at the same

01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.739
time, that doesn't really explain the explosions.

01:00:55.769 --> 01:00:58.550
Cause like he, he makes like the entire hallway

01:00:58.550 --> 01:01:01.889
of people. He makes their heads explode, which

01:01:01.889 --> 01:01:04.250
I thought was a really great scene by the way.

01:01:04.269 --> 01:01:05.949
Like in any other movie, that would have been

01:01:05.949 --> 01:01:08.130
really cool. I was down with that scene. I thought

01:01:08.130 --> 01:01:09.869
that was cool. And that, that actually gave some

01:01:09.869 --> 01:01:13.429
gravitas to like him. I was saying it's, it's

01:01:13.429 --> 01:01:16.130
Vader essentially. Yeah. And he had like force

01:01:16.130 --> 01:01:20.070
powers. Yeah. Yeah. I was down with that. I thought

01:01:20.070 --> 01:01:22.449
that scene was very cool. When Dr. Harvey gets

01:01:22.449 --> 01:01:24.429
his head exploded, that was great. And then like,

01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:28.460
he just keeps. blowing people's heads uh and

01:01:28.460 --> 01:01:32.920
then in the next i had the movie pulled up on

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.840
another screen there's actually only 17 minutes

01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.699
left at this point and in the next 17 minutes

01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:43.219
they start the thing back go to the other planet

01:01:43.219 --> 01:01:48.780
start a sky beam a black hole sky beam and then

01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:50.760
travel back and forth what three or four times

01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:57.389
they He goes once. That's one. Opens the beam

01:01:57.389 --> 01:02:00.949
and they come through it. That's twice. And then

01:02:00.949 --> 01:02:03.949
they come back from the beam. That's three. Right

01:02:03.949 --> 01:02:07.469
when Johnny hits one of the towers. And takes

01:02:07.469 --> 01:02:11.050
it out. And breaks the sky beam down. It's just

01:02:11.050 --> 01:02:15.610
crazy. Yeah. We're not trying to rush the ending.

01:02:15.670 --> 01:02:18.309
Talking about this. But that's what they did.

01:02:18.949 --> 01:02:22.949
He had a sky beam. He's taking. resources from

01:02:22.949 --> 01:02:25.869
earth and converting it into energy they fight

01:02:25.869 --> 01:02:29.389
him they don't say that by the way they kind

01:02:29.389 --> 01:02:34.010
of say it kind of a little bit yeah the cgi budget

01:02:34.010 --> 01:02:37.130
for the last it just seems to like have disintegrated

01:02:37.130 --> 01:02:40.150
yeah oh yeah exactly it looks like a bad power

01:02:40.150 --> 01:02:46.550
ranger episode yep oh it does yeah um and he

01:02:46.550 --> 01:02:49.869
also kills franklin too like who just wants them

01:02:49.869 --> 01:02:52.289
to watch out for each other I think this is what

01:02:52.289 --> 01:02:56.130
threw me off of his powers because he blew up

01:02:56.130 --> 01:03:00.429
the first doctor and now he can't. He blew up

01:03:00.429 --> 01:03:03.469
Franklin's brain. Yeah, but I think the way that

01:03:03.469 --> 01:03:07.570
the effect happens, this is pure speculation,

01:03:07.789 --> 01:03:09.789
but I wonder if it's because of the rating. Like

01:03:09.789 --> 01:03:12.909
they wanted the PG -13 rating. Maybe. And him

01:03:12.909 --> 01:03:14.789
in the suit, you can't see the full thing, but

01:03:14.789 --> 01:03:17.349
Franklin outside of it, if he blew up, it would

01:03:17.349 --> 01:03:22.519
be too gory. Maybe. Because he had blown up Nelson's

01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.639
head, or Tim Blake Nelson's head. He blew up

01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.079
the head of everybody in the thing, but he can't

01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.119
blow up this guy's head. It just is such a weird

01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.280
break from what he's done the last five minutes.

01:03:33.460 --> 01:03:35.480
You know what I mean? Maybe he's just too smart.

01:03:36.260 --> 01:03:42.210
Maybe. The power of brain. Either that. Either

01:03:42.210 --> 01:03:44.530
that or the other idea I had was this is why

01:03:44.530 --> 01:03:46.630
he went back is because he needed the energy.

01:03:46.869 --> 01:03:49.130
So this is why he's like sucking up the earth

01:03:49.130 --> 01:03:51.570
and getting energy. Maybe he just ran out of

01:03:51.570 --> 01:03:54.369
fuel. I don't know. I don't know. I'm defending

01:03:54.369 --> 01:03:57.510
something that I don't understand. No, you know,

01:03:57.510 --> 01:03:59.590
we're bouncing ideas on each other. This is the

01:03:59.590 --> 01:04:02.969
first time all four of them have been on screen

01:04:02.969 --> 01:04:05.730
together. Powers or not. Yep. They're all together.

01:04:06.349 --> 01:04:10.199
And what do they do? But what do they do? All

01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:11.500
four of them on the screen together, and what

01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:16.119
do they do? Talk. Attack individually. Attack

01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:18.940
individually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he can

01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:21.219
defeat any one of us, but he can't defeat all

01:04:21.219 --> 01:04:25.360
of us. Right. I beg to differ. So I love the

01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.320
fact that they all go one at a time, and then

01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:29.880
Reed tries to talk them down. He's like, Victor,

01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.260
you don't need to do this. We can cure you. And

01:04:33.260 --> 01:04:39.510
he goes, there is no Victor, only doom. roll

01:04:39.510 --> 01:04:42.590
credits i guess best line in the whole thing

01:04:42.590 --> 01:04:47.489
because of how stupid it is so stupid but reed

01:04:47.489 --> 01:04:51.610
is like disbanded he gets up and he buys enough

01:04:51.610 --> 01:04:53.530
time that the other three can get up and now

01:04:53.530 --> 01:04:56.710
all of them can work together and fight as four

01:04:56.710 --> 01:05:01.429
instead of one and they're so what does reed

01:05:01.429 --> 01:05:05.260
say to doom all right he's like you're not i'm

01:05:05.260 --> 01:05:07.199
smarter than you i'm no better than you i'm like

01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.219
you so you guys worked together for like two

01:05:09.219 --> 01:05:13.079
days well no so like zoom's holding him and it's

01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.699
just like you always acted so much smarter than

01:05:15.699 --> 01:05:17.800
me that's what it was you always i'm like it

01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.119
was like two days but we don't know because we

01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.820
don't know how much time passed yeah and i didn't

01:05:24.820 --> 01:05:26.280
really see them interact with each other that

01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.739
much and it seemed even in the time lapse reed

01:05:28.739 --> 01:05:30.820
seemed to take his ideas and talk to him about

01:05:30.820 --> 01:05:32.920
it right yeah like i don't think i don't think

01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.980
they ever disagreed so badly that like it was

01:05:35.980 --> 01:05:37.760
oh you're always so much smarter than me because

01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:42.699
you're right i am smarter than you ben now and

01:05:42.699 --> 01:05:46.380
like ben was shielded by sue's invisibility and

01:05:46.380 --> 01:05:48.440
he comes running through and of course he has

01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:52.789
to deliver it's clobbering time yeah But it's

01:05:52.789 --> 01:05:54.650
been tainted. Now it just feels like a trauma

01:05:54.650 --> 01:06:00.289
response. Instead of a cool line. Knocks him

01:06:00.289 --> 01:06:02.730
straight into the energy beam. Johnny flies around,

01:06:02.869 --> 01:06:05.969
destroys the towers of the energy beam. And then

01:06:05.969 --> 01:06:09.110
in like 20 seconds, Doom dies, they fly back,

01:06:09.250 --> 01:06:12.349
and only a couple hundred people died. Yep. A

01:06:12.349 --> 01:06:17.489
big crater. That's it. Yeah, exactly. A couple

01:06:17.489 --> 01:06:22.320
hundred maybe. Yeah. even though they destroyed

01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.579
the tower and they hit him into it. And like,

01:06:24.619 --> 01:06:26.920
if they destroy him, he's the source of the energy.

01:06:27.340 --> 01:06:30.460
They're still able to ride that energy beam back

01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:34.619
to earth. Yep. But it vaporized him. Yeah. But

01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:35.860
don't think about it too much. Cause they're

01:06:35.860 --> 01:06:39.940
back on earth. They're there. It's fine. And

01:06:39.940 --> 01:06:43.980
so now the government that it's after the government

01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:46.059
wants to work with them still. And they're like,

01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:47.860
no, we're going to do our own thing. We need

01:06:47.860 --> 01:06:49.780
space. We're going to build our projects and

01:06:49.780 --> 01:06:52.820
we get to own them. I think you said it already.

01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:56.380
We're not rushing this. No. This is what happens.

01:06:56.380 --> 01:06:59.820
They fight back Earth at 1 hour 29 minutes, and

01:06:59.820 --> 01:07:05.019
then the credits roll at 1 .33. Yep. Yep. And

01:07:05.019 --> 01:07:07.340
they still have to get to Central City, which

01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:15.500
is not a city. It's just a facility. Yeah. Ransom

01:07:15.500 --> 01:07:17.559
was like, they're going to need a foundation

01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.760
for the future. Because, you know, they start

01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.139
the Future Foundation in the comics. That's a

01:07:23.139 --> 01:07:27.000
good joke. I just thought, I mean, they already

01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.900
are at the Baxter Institute. Just make it the

01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:33.280
Baxter building. And then Johnny, as they're

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:37.079
going, they walk in and they're like, I got a

01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.300
name for this place. The Franklin Storm Research

01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:44.559
Facility. And Suze is like, he didn't want to

01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:48.199
see his name up in things. And Reed goes, I think

01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:52.519
we need a name. The four of us. The four of us.

01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.619
Oh, man. Then they go back and forth with some

01:07:57.619 --> 01:08:00.960
silly ones. Human torch and his torchettes. And

01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.260
I think this is the only time they say the thing.

01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:05.639
Yes. I guess that's the first time they said

01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.219
the human torch, too. Right. Yeah, they really

01:08:09.219 --> 01:08:12.360
didn't say any of the names. It's not as fantastic

01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:17.170
because that one makes sense. It's not. Two guys,

01:08:17.170 --> 01:08:19.350
a two girl, two guys, a girl and an ugly thing

01:08:19.350 --> 01:08:21.789
or something. Yeah. And an ugly big thing. Yeah.

01:08:22.050 --> 01:08:27.369
Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, there was, um, the

01:08:27.369 --> 01:08:29.770
smartest man on earth and his neurons. And then

01:08:29.770 --> 01:08:32.050
they're like, no, the smartest woman on earth

01:08:32.050 --> 01:08:37.090
and her neurons. And Ben just is looking over

01:08:37.090 --> 01:08:39.710
this and he goes, I gotta say it's fantastic.

01:08:40.949 --> 01:08:47.979
Say that again. Gotta say, it's fantastic. I

01:08:47.979 --> 01:08:52.739
think, of everything, this is the largest cultural

01:08:52.739 --> 01:08:55.619
impact this movie's had. This is the biggest

01:08:55.619 --> 01:09:01.319
name drop in a movie. I can think of a lot of

01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:03.979
them, but that's one of the real ones I go to.

01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:10.689
I always go to the family guy where he... Has

01:09:10.689 --> 01:09:12.949
the bit where he goes. I always love when they

01:09:12.949 --> 01:09:15.569
say the name of the movie. In the movie. And

01:09:15.569 --> 01:09:19.350
they do. This is why I've got to be Superman

01:09:19.350 --> 01:09:22.970
4. The quest for peace. So that's why they called

01:09:22.970 --> 01:09:28.149
it that. Man. We did it. That's the whole movie.

01:09:28.430 --> 01:09:37.130
That is the movie. Yeah. I have a bunch of notes.

01:09:37.149 --> 01:09:40.609
About the post production process. Okay. You

01:09:40.609 --> 01:09:42.850
know what the budget for the movie was? Not enough.

01:09:43.069 --> 01:09:47.649
I loved $120 million. Jesus. Opening weekend,

01:09:47.710 --> 01:09:53.409
it made $25 ,600 ,000. Total gross American was

01:09:53.409 --> 01:10:00.310
only $56 million. God. Yeah. The 2025 version

01:10:00.310 --> 01:10:03.210
came out this weekend, like I said. And in its

01:10:03.210 --> 01:10:06.710
opening day, it made more than the entirety of

01:10:06.710 --> 01:10:10.449
that run. That's crazy. That's nuts. That is

01:10:10.449 --> 01:10:16.270
absolutely insane to me. Josh Trink. What has

01:10:16.270 --> 01:10:18.949
he done since then? Because he was supposed to

01:10:18.949 --> 01:10:21.289
do a Star Wars movie. He was going to do a Boba

01:10:21.289 --> 01:10:24.090
Fett movie, and he lost it after this. Yes. But

01:10:24.090 --> 01:10:26.909
I don't know if it was because of Fantastic Four's

01:10:26.909 --> 01:10:29.970
reception as much as how he acted on set. Yes,

01:10:30.050 --> 01:10:34.229
definitely. It is definitely a big reason why

01:10:34.229 --> 01:10:37.189
he no longer is around. He got blacklisted because

01:10:37.189 --> 01:10:40.100
of his attitude. And that's exactly it. And so

01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:43.060
he disowned this movie because he said there

01:10:43.060 --> 01:10:48.220
was too much like studio interference, that kind

01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:50.060
of stuff. It was not the movie he wanted to make,

01:10:50.140 --> 01:10:52.659
everything like that. He was very outspoken about

01:10:52.659 --> 01:10:55.220
that. Wasn't that like two days before it came

01:10:55.220 --> 01:10:59.560
out? Yes. And the only other example I have of

01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:03.180
something like that is David Ayer. Okay. David

01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:07.369
Ayer, who did Suicide Squad. basically said kind

01:11:07.369 --> 01:11:09.170
of the same thing he's just like it's a fine

01:11:09.170 --> 01:11:12.470
movie but it's not what i was had planned out

01:11:12.470 --> 01:11:14.029
and everything like that he kind of did a little

01:11:14.029 --> 01:11:19.069
more like i don't know what to say a little more

01:11:19.069 --> 01:11:21.649
nice about it a little more well -rounded and

01:11:21.649 --> 01:11:26.210
well presented and i don't think trink even had

01:11:26.210 --> 01:11:28.909
that movie he was talking about i don't think

01:11:28.909 --> 01:11:31.630
that ever existed because of the reshoots and

01:11:31.630 --> 01:11:34.699
the rewrites and like him getting into it like

01:11:34.699 --> 01:11:36.779
apparently he and miles almost like got into

01:11:36.779 --> 01:11:40.539
a fist fight a couple times yep and he was rude

01:11:40.539 --> 01:11:44.779
to kate mara yep and my big thing about it is

01:11:44.779 --> 01:11:46.880
this is this is another thing with david ayer

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.460
david ayer went out and made he's the one that

01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:52.460
made fury that's what i was confused about originally

01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:55.319
he made fury the tank movie and it was pretty

01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.819
decent and then the one i'll consider because

01:11:58.819 --> 01:12:02.939
this is what i think was a lot like suicide squad

01:12:02.939 --> 01:12:06.220
in his mind he made the beekeeper and i had a

01:12:06.220 --> 01:12:08.600
blast with that one i thought that was very well

01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:13.279
done and so that's my thing is if you go out

01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:15.899
and you do this movie and make a different movie

01:12:15.899 --> 01:12:19.840
and it's good great cool you've proven that hey

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:22.039
maybe it was studio interference because you

01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.119
just go out and show you know that kind of thing

01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:30.180
josh trank's next movie was capone who has a

01:12:30.180 --> 01:12:34.060
15 -minute Capone shitting himself scene, and

01:12:34.060 --> 01:12:36.239
that's supposed to be a big turning point of

01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:40.659
the movie. I haven't seen it, but doesn't it...

01:12:40.659 --> 01:12:43.479
I've seen people talk about how it feels like

01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:47.060
he was trying to make Twin Peaks. A little bit,

01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:55.359
yes. So I have not seen it fully. I have seen

01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.000
that five -minute scene with... Capone shitting

01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.979
himself. Yeah. And it's terrible. It's absolutely

01:13:02.979 --> 01:13:06.079
just unwatchable. When did that come out? 2020.

01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.039
So in the last five years, has he worked on or

01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.420
done? He has one director project coming up,

01:13:13.420 --> 01:13:17.460
but other than that, nothing. Okay. Writing,

01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.520
he hasn't done anything since. He's got two.

01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:24.119
One in development, The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt.

01:13:24.989 --> 01:13:27.829
And then he also is writing and directing a movie

01:13:27.829 --> 01:13:30.170
called Senda Scare, which is in pre -production.

01:13:31.869 --> 01:13:37.630
All right. We know that he is capable of a good

01:13:37.630 --> 01:13:41.649
movie. Do we know? I like Chronicle. I thought

01:13:41.649 --> 01:13:45.430
it was a good movie. I thought it was fun. I'll

01:13:45.430 --> 01:13:52.489
say it's good. Okay, so yes, I guess definition

01:13:52.489 --> 01:13:55.100
you said. We know he can make a good movie. Okay.

01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:58.779
Yes. Definition. Sure. It's not groundbreaking

01:13:58.779 --> 01:14:01.479
or like, you know, changing the direction of

01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:03.600
Hollywood or anything, but it was right. Yeah.

01:14:03.699 --> 01:14:06.039
It was a fun. Yeah. Okay. I'll give you that.

01:14:06.699 --> 01:14:09.100
Shoestring found footage. I'll give you that.

01:14:09.180 --> 01:14:11.140
Okay. I you're, you're right. You use the word

01:14:11.140 --> 01:14:15.579
good. I, he can make a good. Two clusters afterwards.

01:14:16.579 --> 01:14:19.699
Yep. So there might be hope in the future. And

01:14:19.699 --> 01:14:22.159
I, I gotta say, I just read the direction for

01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:31.510
this. Send a Scare? Yeah. Basically, it's a horror

01:14:31.510 --> 01:14:34.449
startup letting users send scares gets deadly

01:14:34.449 --> 01:14:36.829
when a real killer takes over their investor

01:14:36.829 --> 01:14:42.250
demo. Oh, no. Mm -hmm. Starring... Sorry, Josh.

01:14:42.569 --> 01:14:47.149
Sorry. You let me down. Starring Noel Fisher,

01:14:47.550 --> 01:14:53.899
Victoria Justice, and Robbie Amel. Stephen Amell's

01:14:53.899 --> 01:14:59.340
brother. And Karan Soni, who plays the cab driver

01:14:59.340 --> 01:15:03.279
in Deadpool. Okay. Yeah. So those are the four

01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:06.420
big names attached to it. Victoria Justice is

01:15:06.420 --> 01:15:10.640
really random in there. Yeah. But yeah, so that's

01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.560
his next project. We'll see how that goes. So

01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:17.960
that's in pre -production. But I'm not holding

01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:24.109
out hope for that one. No. Yeah. All right, we

01:15:24.109 --> 01:15:28.949
got to rate this thing. I'm excited for your

01:15:28.949 --> 01:15:35.750
rating on this. I don't... I'm not going to spoil

01:15:35.750 --> 01:15:40.510
what I gave Master of Disguise. Okay. That's

01:15:40.510 --> 01:15:44.270
good because... But I also can't go higher than

01:15:44.270 --> 01:15:47.989
that. And I had to go lower and I can't give

01:15:47.989 --> 01:15:51.829
it a zero because a movie was made. you can give

01:15:51.829 --> 01:15:54.270
it a zero mitchell is the only one that does

01:15:54.270 --> 01:15:58.170
the mitchell zero no but i you know i work in

01:15:58.170 --> 01:16:00.329
post -production and i've worked on movies like

01:16:00.329 --> 01:16:04.250
i know what goes into doing this and zero i'm

01:16:04.250 --> 01:16:07.710
gonna give it a quarter of a star okay you can

01:16:07.710 --> 01:16:12.390
call it the mitchell zero plus zero plus okay

01:16:12.390 --> 01:16:16.670
yeah um i'm hovering right around the mitchell

01:16:16.670 --> 01:16:24.800
zero for this one um just because I'm not as

01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:26.979
harsh on this one, I feel, as a lot of people

01:16:26.979 --> 01:16:30.560
are. Because there are some moments that I liked

01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:35.399
about it. There's definitely a lot wrong. And

01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.479
I'm not saying I'm defending it or anything like

01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:40.239
that. But I feel like I'm a lot less harsh than

01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:44.119
some other people are on it. Because this is

01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:46.659
the second time I've watched it. And I'm not

01:16:46.659 --> 01:16:48.979
sitting here going, I am never watching that

01:16:48.979 --> 01:16:53.750
again. I'm not going to watch it this year, probably.

01:16:54.989 --> 01:16:58.350
But I could probably someday down the line because

01:16:58.350 --> 01:17:01.090
Claire hasn't seen this one. And she said she

01:17:01.090 --> 01:17:03.909
would try to give it a shot because of the new

01:17:03.909 --> 01:17:05.909
one that came out and everything like that. I'm

01:17:05.909 --> 01:17:07.289
not watching it this week. Let me tell you that

01:17:07.289 --> 01:17:09.489
right now. If she was around, we would have probably

01:17:09.489 --> 01:17:14.029
watched it together. But I could watch it in

01:17:14.029 --> 01:17:18.489
a year or two and be like, okay, I've blacked

01:17:18.489 --> 01:17:21.909
this out from my life. That's Spider -Man three

01:17:21.909 --> 01:17:25.270
for me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Correlation. Yeah.

01:17:25.350 --> 01:17:27.010
I know what you're talking about. Yeah. That's

01:17:27.010 --> 01:17:28.949
definitely, it's like, yeah, I don't want to

01:17:28.949 --> 01:17:31.710
watch it tomorrow, but I could probably watch

01:17:31.710 --> 01:17:34.010
it again down the road. And once every four years,

01:17:34.109 --> 01:17:36.850
once every 10 years, like fantastic four. There

01:17:36.850 --> 01:17:38.789
you go. Once every 10 years, like fantastic four.

01:17:40.350 --> 01:17:44.109
Oh my gosh. What else you got? Is that, that's,

01:17:44.109 --> 01:17:47.170
we've talked a lot about this movie and we've

01:17:47.170 --> 01:17:50.430
talked a lot about this problems. is there anything

01:17:50.430 --> 01:17:53.170
you liked about it is there anything else you

01:17:53.170 --> 01:17:55.430
want to talk about it i like the doom hallway

01:17:55.430 --> 01:18:04.149
scene that was pretty gnarly uh i i liked i like

01:18:04.149 --> 01:18:08.029
the relationship well all the actors are so good

01:18:08.029 --> 01:18:10.850
yeah right michael b jordan could have done great

01:18:10.850 --> 01:18:13.750
with this kate mara could have been i think they

01:18:13.750 --> 01:18:17.569
elevated the script versus yeah the script elevating

01:18:17.569 --> 01:18:21.359
them for sure So that's it. I think the casting

01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:25.699
was great. Yep. The cinematography was not. No,

01:18:25.699 --> 01:18:30.140
it was not. Yeah. I'm with you on the hallway

01:18:30.140 --> 01:18:32.460
scene. I'm with you on like, I think the cast

01:18:32.460 --> 01:18:36.100
was the right cast. I just wish they had a better

01:18:36.100 --> 01:18:38.699
script to go with. I like the potential of it,

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:40.840
but that also makes it hurt more. Yeah. Right.

01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:44.340
Yeah. This is a definite movie of failed potential.

01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:48.920
Yeah. Well, it sounds like that's going to do

01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:52.479
it for episode 100. Yeah. Which is divisible

01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:56.739
by four, and that's fantastic. Oh, yeah. Okay.

01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.239
So I'm very disappointed in one thing, and this

01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:02.479
is the last thing, and this is a very minor thing.

01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:05.640
Yeah. I could have sworn it was fan four stick.

01:19:07.100 --> 01:19:13.279
It's fan four stick. And that has thrown me this

01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:17.399
entire day. For the next decade, you'll think

01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.600
of that. Yeah, it bothers the hell out of me

01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.960
because I had it as fan four stick. Yeah. I want

01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:26.760
to know who made that logo. Yeah, right. All

01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:32.260
right. Well, that'll do it. I've been host Mike.

01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.819
I've been joined by Zach. Thank you for once

01:19:35.819 --> 01:19:37.579
again, coming on captain Nima. I mean, Zach.

01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:42.180
Thank you for my email release. Yeah, exactly.

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.460
It's always a pleasure to have you on buddy.

01:19:45.539 --> 01:19:47.579
I look forward to more in the future, including

01:19:47.579 --> 01:19:49.260
master of disguise, which is coming out soon,

01:19:49.340 --> 01:19:51.760
which is a big spoiler. I haven't done the guessing

01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.180
game yet. So if you listen to our episodes, you

01:19:55.180 --> 01:19:59.880
got to leg up. Yeah. but this has been episode

01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:02.439
100 of game for a movie where we ask, are you

01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:04.420
game for a movie? There are going to be at least

01:20:04.420 --> 01:20:07.359
a hundred more. I would hope if not more. Um,

01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:10.300
thank you guys very much for tuning in and we'll

01:20:10.300 --> 01:20:11.840
see you next time on the game for a movie podcast.

01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:13.920
Bye. Bye.