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You know what that sound means? It is another

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episode of Game for a Movie. It's been a while,

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friends. It has been. It's been too long. Yes,

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it has. It was just one of those things where

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everybody had something come up. It's true. Mitchell

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moved. You two were on vacation. I had work shit.

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Literally everything just happened to keep us

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apart. It's almost like we were allowed to be

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outside again, so we kind of had some schedule

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conflicts. That's true. Kind of interesting what

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happens when your social calendar reemerges.

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Yeah, right. It is episode 33. I am your host,

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Mike Butek. I am joined by... Andre. And Jill.

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We went in an opposite order. We did, but it

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was so smooth because we're physically together

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and you could just point it out. Exactly, yes.

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Jill is going to kick us off with movies because

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we're going to go around this way like we normally

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do around. I was thinking of Triangle from last

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night when we were playing Just One. Oh, yeah.

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But first, we've got to talk about what we're

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drinking. Jill, it looks like you have some fresh

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tap water. Clear liquid. Yes. It's called tap

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water. It came from technically our fridge. It

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also has this really cool nifty invention in

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it called ice. It's very cool. It keeps it nice

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and chill. So I was having a conversation with

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my landlord today, and he does not get ice and

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water. Like, he does not get it. Maybe he has

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a sensitivity to cold, because I do, but not

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from cold water. Like he just never has ice in

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his water. He always takes it straight. Does

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he like ice cream? Yeah. What about soda? Can

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you only drink soda straight out of the can?

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I don't know about soda. We didn't get to that.

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The ice thing for water is he doesn't understand

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melting ice giving you more water. He would just

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rather have fresh water. Okay, but that's not

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why I'm putting ice in my water. I understood.

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It was a long conversation, but it was a good

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conversation. I didn't realize that this was

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a political stance. You know, I like your landlord.

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He's a good dude. I always learn fun things about

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him. He's a good dude. Not knowing what a thirst

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trap was. Not having Mitchell here today, because

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we do not have Mitchell here today. I invited

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him to come along. Oh, that would be fun. He

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does not watch movies like we do. Gotcha. Okay,

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I thought you were just going to stop at he doesn't

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watch movies. Oh, no. He does not watch movies

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like we do. He has a hard time watching movies

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because he doesn't watch TV, really. Sure. He's

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out doing stuff, which is great, you know? his

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last movie he saw was joker and he didn't watch

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the end of it so oh nice you know that um of

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all the movies to throw out yeah i could see

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somebody just walking away from joker he enjoyed

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it that's the thing he enjoyed it said like three

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out of five but it was just he he just didn't

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want to sit down anymore you know something like

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that you know it's a long it's long and it feels

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long yes yes um what i am drinking is called

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Days. It is from Treehouse Brewing in Massachusetts.

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Do not go on Sundays if you would like to sit

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there. Well, you know, as of today, late May,

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early June 2021, don't go on a Sunday. Yes. No,

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I don't think they pour on Sundays. Ever? I don't

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think so. I don't know what their blue laws are

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or anything like that. That's in the Bible, man.

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God said no drafts on Sundays. Not my God. You're

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God. Oh, yeah. My God's blood is wine. But yes,

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I have some treehouse here because I drove an

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hour to get it and they asked me my order number.

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And then I realized they don't pour on Sundays.

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So I don't know if that is a real thing or not,

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but it seemed like it was established they don't

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pour on Sundays. But yeah. Andre, what are you

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drinking? I think I'm drinking a Double Cyclops

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Dippa from Labyrinth. I think Labyrinth's made

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multiple appearances on this podcast at this

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point. Labyrinth might as well sponsor us. I

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know, right? Sponsor us, Labyrinth. Because this

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beer is really good. And I love drinking your

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beers. And I will continue to drink them and

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hawk them on this podcast. I will continue to

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drink Labyrinth beer. Especially if it's not

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too far or anything like that. You don't have

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to go an hour for not pouring on Sundays. Right,

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exactly. You don't lose two hours of your life.

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Right. So, well, we've got a lot of movies to

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talk about, including Andre, You Lost. Yep. Which,

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if you were guessing along, was kind of fun.

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We were putting out clues along the way. I know.

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You were like, I have a hint tweet ready to go.

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And I was like, oh, this is going to be good.

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And then, yeah, I don't know. It was pretty clever.

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Pretty clever. That was a lot of fun. Because

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I asked Andre if I should tweet this. Yeah. Like,

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getting ready for the bad movie. And then I was

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going to read it by you. Yeah. And he said not

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to do it. And I'm like. I'm happy we didn't.

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Yeah, it's kind of fun. I like this guessing

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game thing. Obviously, some of the movies we've

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watched will not have a guessing game because...

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How would you do Happy Time Murders? Yeah, right.

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Happy Time Murders, I did one, actually. You

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did? And people got it. Yeah. What was it? I

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think it was Melissa McCarthy, just in a different

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movie. Right. You know, because I'm trying to

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use the actors that are in the movie in different

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ways. So like in this one, it has Howard Stark

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and Paula Patton, you know. Right. So I use different

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movies for them. And I know his name's not Howard

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Stark. Dominic Cooper. Dominic Cooper, that's

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it. Which, you know, I have to say, I love you,

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Dominic. You should just live in the Mamma Mia

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universe. Just go out there, sing and dance with

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Meryl Streep. You look really happy. You're a

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much better actor when you're in the island of

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Greece. I mean, I was happy when he was Howard

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Stark. He was fine for me. Yeah, but there was

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no singing and dancing. There was no singing

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and dancing. I'm a sucker for a musical. We know.

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It's a good segue for me, at least. It is a good

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segue for you. So you're kicking us off with

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the first movie. I am. And what are you going

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to talk about? I'm going to talk about one of

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my favorite guilty pleasure films, which is Richard

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Lester's Help! with an exclamation point from

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1965. I've got something for you before, just

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a question before we start. Is it a bad movie?

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No. Do you believe in guilty pleasures? It sounds

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like it because you said guilty pleasure. So,

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okay. So, let me walk that back on guilty pleasures.

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There are movies that I genuinely, that I love,

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that I know if I'm going to invite to second

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or third, fourth, fifth, whoever. Right. They're

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probably going to be not as enthusiastic for

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it. Okay. So, they're not guilty for me. Like,

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I'm trying to think of a movie that nobody likes.

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And I can't think of anything. I'm going to use

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my friend's... I'm going to use my friend. Yeah.

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She really likes Leap Year. Okay. What about

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Willow? I feel like Willow's a good pick. No,

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I mean, I'm not the generation of Willow, but

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if you were a kid in the 80s, apparently Willow

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was the shit. Okay. No disrespect to Willow,

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I guess. I mean, like, mine's Mortal Kombat Annihilation.

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You should. No one loves it, but I do. So my

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friend really likes Leap Year. Yeah. And that,

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to me, and to the larger world, is not... particularly

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fun romantic comedy romp okay but for her it

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is and it's not something she feels the need

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to go out of the way of telling people so that

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that to me is a guilty pleasure okay versus So

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you're just airing out her dirty laundry over

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the air. I didn't drop names. I just can't think

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of a movie right now. It's you. You love Leap

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Year. We know it. Okay. The Hobbit trilogy. Okay.

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Like I'm very upfront that I actually genuinely

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love those movies. Okay. With the nice little

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asterisk of, well, I've watched the making ofs

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of them so many times that like you see the love

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on the screen. All that CGI love. CGI love. I

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will say The Hobbit significantly better than

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the film I will talk about. Oh, God. It's related.

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All three of them way better. All I'll just say

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is no, I don't believe in guilty pleasures, but

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there are things that I like that do skew towards

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children because I do like cartoons where I'm

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probably not going to bring that up in a room

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of cinemaphiles or even parents, like parents,

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my friend's parents or that because they're just

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not going to get it. They're going to think that's

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weird. Yes. from My Little Pony. Right. Yeah,

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that's pretty normal, but some people will think

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that's really immature or child or whatever or

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there's something wrong with me. And yours is

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not like a brony My Little Pony. No, I don't

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have a pony pillow. Yeah, right. No, no, I just

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want that to be clear to everybody that's listening.

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Yes, I'm not a Pegasister. Right. Yes. Appropriately.

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I didn't even know. Oh yeah, that's what they're

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called. Even though my favorite pony, if I have

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to tell you, I'm not ashamed, is Pinkie Pie.

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I can't believe you've co -opted this podcast

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until I'm my little pony. I cannot believe this

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happened. One day I'm going to make you watch

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the movie that came out not too long ago. We

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got our next bad movie. I don't think it actually

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counts as a bad movie. Ah, dang. To that point,

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I guess I would agree with you. I don't really

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believe in guilty pleasures anymore at this point,

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but... I know when to bring up, I know which

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social circles I'm going to bring up My Hero

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Academia with versus, you know. Or Broly. Or

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Broly. Broly. Broly, baby. No, I think Audrey

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hits the nail on the head right there. There

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are some films that I'll always talk about and

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then there are others in different social situations

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where I'm like, I don't think they're going to

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get it. Fair. I just, I found this question lately

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and it's been interesting because I don't truly

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believe in guilty pleasures anymore. Sure. I

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call things guilty pleasures, but for the same

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part, Like what you like. Yeah, absolutely. What

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do we care? I'll walk back my words and say this

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is a comfort movie for me. Yeah, fair, fair.

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Which, as I said, I know we went off a little

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bit, Richard Lesser's 1965, Help, the second

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of four Beatles films. There's four of them?

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There were supposed to be four. There were supposed

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to be four. There's really like 3 .5. Help, Yellow

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Submarine. You're missing the big one. Hard Day's

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Night? Yeah. And then there's one more. One more?

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One more. Magical Mystery Tour. Oh, Magical Mystery

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Tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for those of you who

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don't know, at the height of Beatle fame, they

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went into contracts to make four films over the

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course of a certain amount of years. The first

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was A Hard Day's Night, which is also directed

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by Richard Lesser. And that's just a really fantastic

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movie. It's kind of like one of the first day

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in the life of the artist. nice type film or

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documentary thing like that and it's fun and

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you actually do see a lot of the wackiness of

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the beatles peeking through in that film okay

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and then in 1865 we get help which is also the

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name of an album same name um and that's like

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they turned that wackiness from like a nice five

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to six up to like 11 okay yeah um and then later

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contracts fell uh things arose people drifted

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away yeah luster did not come back and the beatles

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i think really spearheaded the project for magical

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mystery tour right and that's where the wackiness

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goes from being like a fun 11 to WTF 22. Yeah,

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that was, uh, yeah. The needle went too far in

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that direction. Fair. And then the Beatles broke

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up, but they still technically had another film.

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Um, and I do want to make it clear. I'm not like

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a Beatles expert, so I'm kind of definitely simplifying

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things. Um, they broke up or they were not due.

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They were on the outs. They still needed a fourth

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film. So yellow submarine is primarily made of

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cutting room floor Beatles songs. Oh, okay. I

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did not know that. A lot of B -sides and things

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like that. I knew they made it more animated

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and stuff like that. Oh, it's all animated. Yeah,

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I thought that was because they couldn't be in

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the same room with some of them. So the Beatles

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don't even voice themselves. The Beatles only

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appear as audio recording, I believe, at the

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end when they do All You Need Is Love. Okay,

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interesting. So there is no action. There is

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no live Beatles. So don't watch Yellow Submarine.

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I was about to ask. I wasn't going to blow up

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your spot, but you definitely typed in Yellow

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Mustard into your Google search bar. I was like,

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was there like a Heinz promo? It was pretty cool,

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I guess. So I am going to correct myself. We

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all live in Yellow Deja Mustard. So it came out

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in 1968. So the Beatles were still together.

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I think it probably was starting to be... Yeah.

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Okay, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Beatles history

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is not our forte. Is our forte. Yeah. If you

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want a good one for that, check out Infectious

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Groove. I'm guessing they are one of them. They

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spin records, stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Love

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to give them some love. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did not

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plan to be a Beatles historian this afternoon.

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So what is help? Help is... A great musical comedy

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spy satire. Okay. They are... There's Sophie.

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Our cat is here. We have a cat, yes. We have

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a fourth member. It's Mitchell. Just make sure

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she doesn't get too familiar with the camera.

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Yeah, right. So, yeah, it's a spy satire. It

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really is kind of parodying the James Bond -esque

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spy films of the mid -60s. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah.

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So for those of you who have not had the chance

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to learn about this film, I'm going to read the

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description from IMDb. Oh, I'm excited. Let's

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go. So Ringo Starr finds himself the human sacrifice

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target of a cult, and his fellow members of the

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Beatles must try to protect him from it. Wow.

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So that leaves out a bit. So he's the kid from

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The Mummy Returns that gets the bracelet on his

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arm? He's way more helpful than that kid. Yeah,

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well, yeah. That's actually not too far off.

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Is Ringo Starr a plot moppet? Yes, no. No. No.

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I'm glad that Ringo isn't a plot Muppet. No,

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no, no. There is no Muppets in this movie. Thank

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God. No Muppets in this movie. What that little

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description is not telling you is that it's a

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ring that he acquires that won't come off his

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finger and because he can't get it off, he's

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now the next sacrifice. Yeah, I got one of those.

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It's like a marriage. Yeah, right. Love you,

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babe. And the whole movie is the Beatles hijinks

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trying to avoid the cult who's trying to get

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the ring. Then there's a zany scientist who's

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also like, I could rule the world with that ring.

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So I also want it. So it's Lord of the Rings,

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James Bond, Wicker Man? James Bond, Lord of the

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Rings, and... just because it's impossible no

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you need something like no because like it needs

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like there's a world there's a world traveling

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component too oh there's a world so indiana jones

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then yeah okay except there's no exploring ruins

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or temples sure but i'm just you know i got the

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montage of the plane yeah going across my thing

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with wicker man was just there was a cult yeah

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okay i just immediately go to the bees yeah he's

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the sacrifice yeah You know, the original of

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The Wicker Man is way more serious. Oh, way better.

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And better. I mean, it's not insanely serious,

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but like... I mean, there's a part in the remake

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where Nick Cage is wearing a bear suit and punches

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a woman. Yeah. I mean, that is cinema genius

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right there. Anyway, we're getting off topic.

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Yes, we are. So, Help is also the name of one

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of my favorite Beatle albums. So, it has all

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the music from that. And it's just zany Beatles

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hijinks, like I said. What probably is helping

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encourage the laughs in good times with all the

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drugs the Beatles are on, but they don't try

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to hide that fact. Good for them. They're really

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upfront about it. Love that for them. I mean,

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yeah, they might as well be. If you ever want

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an interesting read, the IMDb trivia page for

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this film is all about the different scenes and

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things they would have filmed or did film. Stoner

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hijinks, craziness, things like that. But it's...

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It's stupid, but it's a good type of stupid.

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And it's, like, it's got the Beatles, and they're

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singing some of my favorite songs. Okay. Throughout

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the film, to have the musical components, the

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movie just kind of stops and becomes a music

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video for two and a half to three minutes. So,

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like, take it to ride. is shot in the Alps because

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the Beatles wanted to go to the Alps. Just because.

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And there is just some gorgeous cinematography

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of them standing on a snowy hill playing a piano,

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and it's great. I'm getting some, like, Adam

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Sandler grown -ups vibes from this, where, like,

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he's been on record saying he just wanted to

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go on vacation and hang out with his bro. The

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whole movie of Blended, he wanted to go to Africa

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with his kids. Right, right, right. Yeah, and

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so, like, it's just, they made a movie and said...

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All right, we're going to Africa. See ya. Yeah.

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I mean, that's kind of where this goes. So they

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go to the Alps, they go to the Bahamas. Then

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there's stuff in London. And it's just fun. And

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you get to see all the Beatles' different personalities

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shining through. Nice. If you ever watch it,

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look closely for George. He's pickpocketing things

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throughout the entire film. John is just kind

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of being himself. But, you know, it was before

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we knew he was an asshole. So it's okay. Paul

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is kind of this, like, nobody wants him. It's

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kind of sad at one point. And then he and another

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character kind of finally start colluding. And

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they're like, I trust this woman. She knows what

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she's talking about. She can help us. Right.

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There's that. And then Ringo is the star. And

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probably the best acting Beatle. Ringo is the

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star. Ringo star. Basically, I mean. I know that's

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not what you meant, but it was just too perfect.

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It's the same. So Ringo, I think. was when it

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came to be in this movie, they're like, who wants

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to be in it? Ringo was the most camera -friendly.

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He was okay and comfortable in front of the camera.

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And he's running around trying to protect his

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finger and his drumming skills. It's really fun.

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How long is this movie? I was going to say, it's

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an hour and a half long. There are parts of it

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that feel really long. But if you just kind of

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want... Something fun on in the background. Help.

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Nice. Cool. How would you rate it then? I would

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give it four out of five fiendish thingies. I

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was really hoping you were just going to say

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stars. This is the one movie. With two R's. With

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two R's. Exactly. I can do that, but no, it's

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a fiendish thingy. I like fiendish thingy. Okay.

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I guess that brings it to me. You were talking

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about animation. Yeah. I'm going to do an animated

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movie. Wow. Are we in the upside down? We're

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the ones that usually talk about animated movies.

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I talk about animated movies. You do too. You're

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right. That's true. And there's a reason why

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I'm talking about this one. It is Mitchells vs.

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the Machines. It is on Netflix. It is produced

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by Phil Lord and Chris Miller. If those names

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sound familiar, they are behind some of the most,

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well, some of the greatest animation lately.

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is what I will say. And then some other classic

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stories. They were the directors and writers

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of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. They were

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the directors for 21 and 22 Jump Street. Executive

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produced Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2.

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Writers and directors for The Lego Movie. Yeah.

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Executive produced and uncredited for directing

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Solo, a Star Wars story. I mean, hey, I liked

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it. They had some input. Yeah. Phil Lord wrote

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and they produced Spider -Man Into the Spider

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-Verse. Hell yeah. Probably the biggest one under

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their belt now. Yes. And now they're both writing

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and both producers for the untitled Spider -Man

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Into the Spider -Verse sequel coming in 2022.

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And then they're also producers for Andre's favorite

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Batman, which is the Lego Batman. Hell yeah.

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Batman, not Batman story. Right. Yes. We need

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to clarify. Wait, wait. So favorite Batman? Batman

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person? Favorite Batman movie. Cinematic. Will

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Arnett's portrayal. Okay, but not your favorite

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Bat person. Not my favorite Bat person, but he's

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ranked up there. I don't know. I think Will Arnett's

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a great Batman, personally. And while doing this

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research, I also found out, and it just needs

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to be said, they were the writers, directors,

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and executive producers for Clone High. Yep.

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Which is... crazy to me. I think everyone at

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this table knows what it is, but no one at this

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table has seen it. Nope. I haven't seen it. I've

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been trying to find it. The internet can yell

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at us now. I've been trying to find it, but that's

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who I really wanted to talk about. Mitchells

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vs. Machines, glorious. It is a great story.

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Basically, it is Apple. I'm going to try to keep

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this as story -free just because... At the top

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of it, you recommend this movie. Yes, at the

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top of it, I recommend this movie. I think you

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two would love it. So that's also why I want

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to hold back is because I think you guys would

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love it. Appreciate it. Basically, the worst

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family left in a robot apocalypse has to defeat

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the robots and save the world. And there's a

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cool animation style called KDVision. Which,

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like, the animation style is what I love about

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it. And there's a pug that's amazing as well.

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Yeah. Doug the Pug, I think. Doug? Doug? Doug

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Sophie the Cat, because here she comes. Here

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comes Sophie. I think it's Doug the Pug. I gotta

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look again. But basically, it's Danny McBride.

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It's Abby Jacobson, Maya Rudolph. Eric Andre.

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Olivia Colman. Eric Andre's in this movie? Eric

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Andre's in this movie. Hell yeah. Eric Andre

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is the Apple, like, guy. Oh. So he's the one

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doing the big presentation and everything like

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that. Olivia Colman, Fred Armisen, Chrissy Teigen,

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Beck Bennett, John Legend, Blake Griffin's in

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this. Tony O 'Brien. Did you know it was Blake

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Griffin when he showed up? No. I was looking

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at the IMDb page as I was watching it and I was

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like, wait, what? He's a side character. It's

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not like he's got a huge part, but he does well

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with it. Honestly, it is great. I highly recommend

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it. I give it 4 .5. Loaves of bread. Loaves of

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bread. Yes, it'll make sense. Yeah, I feel like

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I have to watch it just to understand that rating.

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It's been on my watch list. Yes, it has been.

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And I just want to say, what a goddamn glow up

00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.460
for Sony Animation. Sony Pictures Animation.

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They went from Emoji Movie to Spider -Verse to

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this. Like, come on. One of the best parts of

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the Mitchells vs. Machines is a reappearance.

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You may have seen it in trailers. I can't remember

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if it's in trailers or not. The reappearance

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of a toy of our childhood. Oh, okay. Oh, I think

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I've seen... I know what you're talking about.

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What is it? I don't want to tell you. Do you

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want to know? Okay, I guess it's a spoiler. All

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right. It's a good one. When it comes out, you're

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just like, oh, fuck no. God damn. Yeah, because

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it's not only... It's something that you probably

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hated in your childhood, even though you probably

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had one. It is something that freaks you out.

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And I will personally say... Can I guess what

00:23:11.490 --> 00:23:13.730
it is? Go ahead. Is it a Furby? Yeah. It is a

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Furby. As soon as you said that, I was like,

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I had one of those. I hated it. I never owned

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one, but my friend got one as a birthday gift

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or something. And within days, the shine wore

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off and she was convinced it was going to kill

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her. So I had mine buried in a closet. and had

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the power button off on it oh no and literally

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like a month after the power button had been

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off the fuck was that i go in and the furby literally

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looks at me like with his undead eyes and it

00:23:43.339 --> 00:23:47.460
just starts laughing again yes did you like that

00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:50.380
noise we got a cat we have a cat she's she's

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she's approaching the microphone hey kiki oh

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try it I was going to try to get a picture for

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the Instagram. I did look at the other, the director,

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one of them, for The Mitchells vs. The Machines.

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And the first credit that caught my eye is that

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they did a number of episodes of Gravity Falls.

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Oh, okay, great. Like Rihanna? Yes. Yeah, yes.

00:24:13.410 --> 00:24:16.289
That's great. Okay, yeah, sign me up. Yeah, absolutely

00:24:16.289 --> 00:24:18.549
signed up. And it also explains a little bit,

00:24:18.650 --> 00:24:21.109
like, the style of animation is really cool.

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Like, it's out there, it's different, but it's

00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:25.430
really cool. Well, right, well, it's kind of

00:24:25.430 --> 00:24:27.349
got that sort of, from what I've seen in the

00:24:27.349 --> 00:24:29.650
trailers, it's got that pseudo stop motion kind

00:24:29.650 --> 00:24:32.049
of vibe that Spider -Verse had in a way, right?

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But it's different. Like, it's not the same,

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and I like that about it. It's because it's trying

00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:39.369
to be different. Cool. It's a different film.

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It's a lot of fun. Yeah, creative director. and

00:24:42.049 --> 00:24:44.569
I saw that Alex Hirsch, also of Gravity Falls.

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Do we know, is this running in theaters at all,

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or is it just streaming? I think it just went

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straight to Netflix, yeah. And I think, so there

00:24:51.450 --> 00:24:53.210
was a thing, it was supposed to go to something

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else, maybe like Hulu or something like that.

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It wasn't ever supposed to have a theater release.

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Maybe I'm wrong about that. I could be very wrong

00:25:00.710 --> 00:25:03.230
about that. But it was supposed to go to something

00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:05.690
else, and then it switched to Netflix. Gotcha.

00:25:05.809 --> 00:25:09.710
And I'm really glad it did. It's been a very

00:25:09.710 --> 00:25:14.640
bright spot. in the uh dang it i tried to get

00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.799
she's just making the laps at this point yeah

00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:21.660
right attention here it is yeah it's her her

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:30.579
back um but yeah so it was very good um 4 .5

00:25:30.579 --> 00:25:33.859
4 .5 bread all right okay i like those cards

00:25:33.859 --> 00:25:38.640
yes and it will make sense i promise It is time.

00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.000
Speaking of carbs, I need to load up a little

00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:46.980
bit. Ready? There you go, buddy. You got a beard

00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:51.519
now? Yeah, I got a beard. Cheers. And you're

00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.420
drinking from the beard glass. I do. I'm using

00:25:53.420 --> 00:25:55.400
the beard glass. I need more beer for this movie.

00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:59.359
I am really excited for this movie. While you're

00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.859
giving a pour, I will give a shout out to Booze

00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:04.900
and Spirits Podcast. They guest based on the

00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:08.519
clues. what the movie is, what the bad movie

00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:10.359
is. Oh, they guessed it. They got it. They got

00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.559
in the third clue. All right. Is that the Paul

00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:14.079
Patton one? That was the Paul Patton one. What

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.640
was your second clue? Second clue was Dominic

00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.079
Cooper as Howard Stark. Okay. Yeah. Which I would

00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:21.339
say pretty impressive because I think most people

00:26:21.339 --> 00:26:23.359
forgot about this movie already. Yes. So the

00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.180
first clue was wow, the word wow. From Ted. From

00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:30.279
Ted. The second clue was Dominic Cooper as Howard

00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.019
Stark. He's in this movie. The third clue was

00:26:33.019 --> 00:26:35.990
Paul Patton from Mission Impossible. And she's

00:26:35.990 --> 00:26:38.650
also in this movie. And the final one, because

00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:40.650
I put four because I was having too much fun

00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:46.269
with it, was from Bright saying, I feel bad for

00:26:46.269 --> 00:26:51.170
orc women. Oh, my gosh. You are so welcome. I

00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:54.069
flew out Bright if we couldn't find her. Yes,

00:26:54.069 --> 00:26:55.829
Bright would have been another good pick. And

00:26:55.829 --> 00:26:58.670
I said it may happen in the future. Yes, it might.

00:26:58.849 --> 00:27:01.309
I don't want to watch Bright at all. Anyways.

00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:04.369
Keep going. Sorry. The film. That I'll be discussing

00:27:04.369 --> 00:27:08.829
on this podcast is Warcraft, the 2016 adaptation

00:27:08.829 --> 00:27:13.630
of the famed Warcraft video game series. Is that

00:27:13.630 --> 00:27:17.089
the same as World of Warcraft? World of Warcraft,

00:27:17.190 --> 00:27:19.670
yes, of that fame. Of Warcraft. No, but like

00:27:19.670 --> 00:27:24.069
the MMO version. Yes, yes, yes. You mean WoW?

00:27:24.130 --> 00:27:27.880
WoW. Like the first clue. Yeah. So I guess at

00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.440
the top, I need to give my background as to how

00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.579
much I know about Warcraft lore, okay? So this

00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:36.819
movie is an adaptation of Warcraft colon Orcs

00:27:36.819 --> 00:27:39.119
and Humans, the very first Warcraft video game.

00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.539
It came out in 1994. That it's like, it's super

00:27:43.539 --> 00:27:46.740
old, right? Almost as old as I am. 1994? Yes.

00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:51.630
So you should know. How little story content

00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:53.470
they're working off of for this movie, right?

00:27:53.650 --> 00:27:56.589
Right. I've played... So the only Warcraft game

00:27:56.589 --> 00:27:58.720
I've played... besides Hearthstone, is World

00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.240
of Warcraft. And that takes place in the timeline.

00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:02.480
I didn't realize Hearthstone was part of it,

00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.200
too. Okay. Alright, I'm learning a lot, too.

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.960
Yep, yep, yep. So, obviously, World of Warcraft

00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:09.920
was, like, the biggest game in the world, I feel

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:11.900
like, at, like, in the late 2000s, whenever it

00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:14.539
came out. So I spent countless hours, like, I

00:28:14.539 --> 00:28:16.200
think that's probably one of, like, in my top

00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.799
five games in terms of playtime. Okay. But I

00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:20.220
did not pay attention to the lore at all. It

00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.900
was just, you know, I was addicted to that gameplay

00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:24.140
loop, and I just made a bunch of friends in there,

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.440
right? So I know very little about the actual

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.119
friends we made along the way exactly yes so

00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.400
you had me try to if i tried to give you like

00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.500
a story summary of all the proper characters

00:28:33.500 --> 00:28:36.140
in the warcraft universe i couldn't do it yes

00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:38.630
it's You know, whatever. I'm familiar with the

00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:41.329
world, familiar with the races and locations,

00:28:41.569 --> 00:28:44.529
but I don't know shit about the story, honestly.

00:28:44.609 --> 00:28:46.269
Because it's one of those things where you just

00:28:46.269 --> 00:28:48.650
pop in and out and it's kind of like, alright,

00:28:48.809 --> 00:28:50.750
you're going to this dungeon and the big evil

00:28:50.750 --> 00:28:53.130
bad guy is monologuing. You're like, okay, I

00:28:53.130 --> 00:28:55.930
just need to hit him with my spells. I'm prepared

00:28:55.930 --> 00:29:01.319
for this. Give us an attack boost. God damn it,

00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.299
Leroy. God damn it, Leroy. Right, right, right.

00:29:03.380 --> 00:29:06.079
When I think of Warcraft, I think of Leroy Jenkins,

00:29:06.339 --> 00:29:08.859
I think of the South Park episode of Warcraft,

00:29:08.980 --> 00:29:11.759
and yeah, I just, you know, whatever. Those are

00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:12.980
the two that pop in my head. Yeah, I'm just saying,

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.799
those are very good examples. All this is to

00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.420
say is, I'm not a big, I've, I've, I like WoW

00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.859
a lot. I don't know shit about the story, so

00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:22.960
I'm not an uber fan as far as, like, I'm not

00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.480
super attached to this world in terms of plotting

00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.099
characters. That being said, definitely open.

00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:29.019
There's, like, some very interesting stories

00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:31.799
in Warcraft. So I was kind of excited when this

00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:33.240
movie was announced. I'm like, oh, okay, cool.

00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:36.140
Like, Warcraft has a lot of broad appeal. Maybe

00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:38.339
this will be the adaptation of Breakthrough.

00:29:38.779 --> 00:29:43.099
And my god, it did not do that, man. It did not.

00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.839
It did not do that. I was going to say, it did

00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.599
not succeed in making me want to play WoW. Right.

00:29:48.619 --> 00:29:53.180
So that's true. So Jill, you know, my ever stalwart

00:29:53.180 --> 00:29:56.299
partner, watched this movie with me. And yeah,

00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:57.819
so I guess that is really the litmus test. You

00:29:57.819 --> 00:29:59.480
have not played WoW like I have. Not really.

00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.680
And you're not. at all interested. I think I

00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.680
love having you guys on the show together because

00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.660
you always watch when the other one loses. That's

00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:08.779
why, like, really, we're both playing whatever

00:30:08.779 --> 00:30:11.279
game twice over because if one of us loses, the

00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.339
other one's watching it. I did not. You're right.

00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.559
That's true. That's true. I bowed out. And you

00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.859
don't need to watch it together. I hope you guys

00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:21.519
know. That's why I'm giving Jo points. She watched

00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.779
it with me. I think the fact that we're having

00:30:25.779 --> 00:30:29.779
this podcast over a neoprene mat of Middle Earth

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:33.339
shows you that when it comes to fantasy, I'm

00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:37.640
pretty particular. It's true. And like, okay.

00:30:38.009 --> 00:30:39.289
Anyways, I guess I should talk about what the

00:30:39.289 --> 00:30:41.990
actual movie's about, right? So, like I said,

00:30:42.089 --> 00:30:45.670
it's adapting Orcs vs. Humans. So, it's the very

00:30:45.670 --> 00:30:48.589
first game in the timeline. Basically, humans

00:30:48.589 --> 00:30:53.269
live in this fantasy world of Azeroth. The aesthetic

00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:55.569
is very... Azeroth, Metreon, Xanthos? Yeah, that

00:30:55.569 --> 00:30:57.670
Azeroth, but not that Azeroth. But spelled the

00:30:57.670 --> 00:31:00.589
same. Yeah, okay. Yeah, think, like, you know,

00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:05.230
like, honestly, very Tolkien -esque humans. Like,

00:31:05.230 --> 00:31:07.349
basically, the main capital Stormwind in Might

00:31:07.349 --> 00:31:10.130
as well be what's gone to earth. Like, basically.

00:31:10.470 --> 00:31:13.250
Okay, yeah. Yes, but just way more exaggerated.

00:31:13.789 --> 00:31:16.529
Like, you know. Humans look so cartoonishly.

00:31:16.529 --> 00:31:18.309
Like, the armor is, like, huge and spiky. I'm

00:31:18.309 --> 00:31:20.329
going to say I'll give props to whoever designed

00:31:20.329 --> 00:31:23.750
the armor for the movie. Yeah. Okay. They nailed

00:31:23.750 --> 00:31:26.089
that. They nailed the silhouette. All right.

00:31:26.130 --> 00:31:27.930
I got to ask. Yes. Is there human women in this,

00:31:28.130 --> 00:31:31.329
and do they have human women armor? No. We never

00:31:31.329 --> 00:31:34.890
see a human woman warrior. Yes. We see a woman.

00:31:35.109 --> 00:31:37.630
We see a coded female, but not a human. Yeah,

00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:39.650
yeah. I was wondering if they go to, like, the

00:31:39.650 --> 00:31:42.369
extra level of, like, the crafted boob armor.

00:31:42.529 --> 00:31:43.890
You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely.

00:31:44.619 --> 00:31:48.759
Wow was kind of like the template for that kind

00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.599
of bullshit. Right, exactly. Yeah, definitely.

00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:52.819
So I wouldn't have been shocked. When we get

00:31:52.819 --> 00:31:55.880
there, I will say that when they did put her

00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.059
in armor, it was not stupid superhero comic book

00:32:00.059 --> 00:32:02.869
armor. Yes, right. Or she has sexy lamp. No,

00:32:03.230 --> 00:32:08.150
she's not, sadly. Yeah, whatever. Anyways, humans

00:32:08.150 --> 00:32:10.349
doing their own thing, hanging out, and then,

00:32:10.490 --> 00:32:13.369
so that's the one faction, and the other faction

00:32:13.369 --> 00:32:16.170
are the orcs. So orcs are, you know, they look

00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:21.529
like orcs. They're big, green, got two big tusks,

00:32:21.609 --> 00:32:23.349
they're muscly. Not all of them are green. Not

00:32:23.349 --> 00:32:24.910
all of them are green, some of them are brown,

00:32:25.049 --> 00:32:27.289
that's true, and that's like a lore thing, and

00:32:27.289 --> 00:32:29.630
I don't know, whatever. Anyways, they come from

00:32:29.630 --> 00:32:32.450
another plane of existence, okay? movie opens

00:32:32.450 --> 00:32:35.990
with them saying basically their their home world

00:32:35.990 --> 00:32:39.609
their home plane area has basically been desolated

00:32:39.609 --> 00:32:43.170
they need to find a new place to go and they

00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:46.569
are led through there's this giant this giant

00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:49.309
dark portal and if you ever played world of warcraft

00:32:49.309 --> 00:32:51.630
it's the thing that's on the login screen it's

00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:53.369
literally called the dark portal okay yeah and

00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:56.769
so one of the orcs he's a warlock named goldan

00:32:56.769 --> 00:33:00.490
he uses evil fel magic bright green magic that

00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:03.089
sucks life out of people or whatever he basically

00:33:03.089 --> 00:33:06.049
farms a bunch of souls to open this portal lead

00:33:06.049 --> 00:33:09.390
the people of orcs through the portal and they

00:33:09.390 --> 00:33:11.690
end up in Azeroth. So that's why these are a

00:33:11.690 --> 00:33:15.470
bunch of warfaring orcs that are suddenly in

00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:17.309
human territory and they're fighting because

00:33:17.309 --> 00:33:19.730
the orcs need a new home. Got it. That's the

00:33:19.730 --> 00:33:23.529
basic plot. And so... If you heard a big sigh,

00:33:23.829 --> 00:33:26.710
that was me. Yeah, right. Dude, I was sighing

00:33:26.710 --> 00:33:29.109
this whole gosh dang movie. It was just so, ugh,

00:33:29.190 --> 00:33:30.769
whatever. Why don't we introduce the world to

00:33:30.769 --> 00:33:33.089
the main character? Well, one of the main characters.

00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:34.710
Right, okay. So while you're off the top of the

00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:37.890
bat, this movie is split off between... The human

00:33:37.890 --> 00:33:39.450
perspective and the orc perspective. And on the

00:33:39.450 --> 00:33:41.450
face of it, that's a cool decision. I like that

00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:43.849
a lot. And the orc side, actually more interesting

00:33:43.849 --> 00:33:45.650
than the human side. Significantly more interesting.

00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:48.509
The orcs are all... At least they did that. Yes.

00:33:49.009 --> 00:33:51.710
I think that's why... The orcs are not just evil

00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:54.470
bad guys. Exactly. They have their own culture.

00:33:54.789 --> 00:33:56.529
That's kind of brought a little bit into with

00:33:56.529 --> 00:33:59.710
this movie. Again, my biases... I need to bring

00:33:59.710 --> 00:34:02.089
my biases into this. They focus really hard on

00:34:02.089 --> 00:34:04.250
orcs and humans, which is fair. That's the title

00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:07.470
of the video game. Right. They do not use, and

00:34:07.470 --> 00:34:11.030
there are so many interesting races in WoW. Like,

00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:13.130
there are blood elves, there's night elves, there's

00:34:13.130 --> 00:34:16.829
dwarves, there's gnomes, goblins, draenei. Like,

00:34:16.929 --> 00:34:19.170
there are so many different cool cultures that

00:34:19.170 --> 00:34:21.510
are barely, they barely are in this movie. It's

00:34:21.510 --> 00:34:24.550
only humans, only orcs. Dwarves at least get

00:34:24.550 --> 00:34:26.230
a talk and get a sentence. Yes, yes. There's

00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:28.309
a talking dwarf character, and then that is it.

00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:30.130
And he has, like, three lines, and he gives the

00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:31.949
human, the main human character a gun. Right.

00:34:32.170 --> 00:34:33.949
Just to show. Oh, yeah. Oh, we give him a gun?

00:34:34.170 --> 00:34:36.610
That is my favorite. part of this movie. There's

00:34:36.610 --> 00:34:38.769
guns in Warcraft. There's guns in Warcraft. What?

00:34:38.889 --> 00:34:41.510
Yeah, yeah. Dwarves are like, so they know how

00:34:41.510 --> 00:34:43.369
to make guns. They make flip -lock pistols and

00:34:43.369 --> 00:34:45.469
stuff like that. I use my magic spell. I use

00:34:45.469 --> 00:34:48.679
my glock. Well, right, okay, so gnomes, this

00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.659
is a tangent, gnomes basically are like, they're

00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:53.559
all Tony Starks, little mini short Tony Starks.

00:34:53.739 --> 00:34:57.019
So every race has a mount, humans have horses,

00:34:57.380 --> 00:34:59.639
orcs have wolves, which look fucking sweet in

00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.840
this movie, I will say that. The orc mounts look

00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.920
good. Yeah, night elves have raptors. You seem

00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.659
like you want to defect to the orcs right now.

00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.139
He plays on the horde. I play on the horde on

00:35:09.139 --> 00:35:13.320
WoW, yeah. So I have an undead warlock in WoW,

00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.719
classic, and then I have a goblin mage in WoW.

00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.159
in WoW retail. There you go. I'm so glad you

00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.780
watched this versus me. I know, right? Goblins

00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:21.019
aren't in this movie at all, at least that I

00:35:21.019 --> 00:35:23.420
could see. Whatever, it's fine. Anyways, all

00:35:23.420 --> 00:35:25.099
of these guys have mounts, and then gnomes have

00:35:25.099 --> 00:35:28.119
literally like mecha ostriches, like robot ostriches.

00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:30.239
Yeah, just like - You mean Chocobo? Yeah, they're

00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.389
like, they're metal robot Chocobo. Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:32.449 --> 00:35:34.530
All right. I'm in for it. So that's the kind

00:35:34.530 --> 00:35:39.010
of, like, wow. Fastest animal. Wow just, or Warcraft

00:35:39.010 --> 00:35:40.710
just gets real goofy with its fantasy. Like,

00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:42.570
it does not take its, I don't, whatever. Except

00:35:42.570 --> 00:35:44.309
in this movie, it takes itself seriously. Yes.

00:35:44.309 --> 00:35:46.210
Like, that's the thing, like, with me, I never

00:35:46.210 --> 00:35:48.349
looked at Warcraft as, like, a thing where it's

00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:50.289
like, oh, the lore is super serious and something

00:35:50.289 --> 00:35:53.050
to adhere to. Like, you could not put mecha ostriches

00:35:53.050 --> 00:35:54.590
in Lord of the Rings. That would make no goddamn

00:35:54.590 --> 00:35:56.909
sense. But they have a war pig. They have war

00:35:56.909 --> 00:35:59.590
pigs. That's cool. Yeah, I don't know. You can't

00:35:59.590 --> 00:36:02.969
have a Mechagrobot anything. Or in The Hobbit,

00:36:03.010 --> 00:36:06.190
the TwiddlyWizzy. Oh, yeah. I love them. A lot

00:36:06.190 --> 00:36:08.309
of people don't because it's stupid. Whatever.

00:36:08.449 --> 00:36:12.530
I'm talking... Either way. Anyways, orcs are

00:36:12.530 --> 00:36:15.230
all CGI. So basically every single scene where

00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:17.130
the orcs are talking, there's no real footage.

00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:21.130
It's just CGI orc, Uncanny Valley orcs. No, they're

00:36:21.130 --> 00:36:24.090
not Uncanny Valley. It's the humans. I don't

00:36:24.090 --> 00:36:25.969
know. They look... Yeah, whatever. It's the humans

00:36:25.969 --> 00:36:29.340
that look rough because also... Yeah, so all

00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:32.199
the human scenes, A, the human characters are

00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.980
so goddamn boring. There's, what, Khadgar, the

00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:37.699
plucky mage that defected from his... He's like

00:36:37.699 --> 00:36:39.739
a student mage that defected. I have a thing

00:36:39.739 --> 00:36:41.760
about him later. And he's the one that finds

00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.860
out that... He basically finds out this evil

00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.440
fel magic is happening. It hasn't shown up in

00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.139
years. He's basically the guy who... He's the

00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:51.940
Samuel Tarly of that movie, where he's flipping

00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:55.099
through pages and being like... this is all happening

00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:56.619
and no one is listening to me, blah, blah, blah,

00:36:56.619 --> 00:36:59.500
blah, blah, you know. Okay, yeah. But he's much

00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:01.260
more, he's like a good -looking Samuel Tarly

00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:03.199
because he's also an arcane mage, but whatever,

00:37:03.500 --> 00:37:06.679
it's... We've got our Boromir. We got our boring

00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:11.699
Boromir. What's his name? Lothar. Is it Lothar

00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.960
or Lothar? Lothar. So his name is Anduin Lothar.

00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:17.980
Lothar. He's the brother -in -law to the king

00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:19.760
of Stormwind, the king of Stormwind played by

00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.940
Howard Stark. Dominic Cooper. Dominic Cooper,

00:37:22.179 --> 00:37:24.260
yes. Howard Stark, get it. Also very boring.

00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.420
Yeah. So Lothar's sister, the queen, also very

00:37:29.420 --> 00:37:32.780
boring. So he didn't marry her at the end. No.

00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:34.820
No, no, no, no, no. That was so weird, right?

00:37:34.900 --> 00:37:37.360
Yeah, yeah. They did not get married. Wait, that's

00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.860
a question? Yeah. No, no, no. It's very interesting.

00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.980
We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there.

00:37:42.019 --> 00:37:44.960
I gotta move through. We gotta push back. I know

00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.480
you have questions. We gotta wait. Gotta move

00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:51.559
on. We gotta go. Go, but just no anticipation.

00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.099
I'm basically tuning out the rest of the questions.

00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.269
Keep going. So basically, all of the... Yeah,

00:37:59.329 --> 00:38:03.730
Medivh. And Medivh is like the guardian. He's

00:38:03.730 --> 00:38:06.349
the lead sorcerer of the humans. He's the avatar

00:38:06.349 --> 00:38:09.309
of the humans. He's like the king's main consort,

00:38:09.409 --> 00:38:12.170
but he lives in his mage tower high above elsewhere.

00:38:12.510 --> 00:38:15.469
Does he marry his sister? No. Medivh is... I

00:38:15.469 --> 00:38:16.969
would have guessed that Medivh is celibate. I

00:38:16.969 --> 00:38:20.010
think he has to be. I just have questions now

00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:23.190
about this alone. Don't worry about it. It's

00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:26.210
Alabama. What is happening? So all of the humans,

00:38:26.409 --> 00:38:28.719
none of them... have very good interesting character

00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:30.500
interactions. They're all, and whenever they're

00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:32.360
talking and whenever they're planning stuff out,

00:38:32.420 --> 00:38:34.420
it just looks like, I get Star Wars prequels

00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:35.880
vibes where they're just, it's clearly like a,

00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:37.800
like some of the set designs look really cool.

00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.880
Yeah. But it doesn't look real. And I guess I

00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.360
don't need it to look real, but like I would

00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.559
have just rather it be animated at that point.

00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.420
Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like

00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:48.659
why have all these, like maybe even do the mocap

00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:51.300
of a live actor, like live for the actors and

00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.619
stuff. That's fine. But having the humans be

00:38:54.619 --> 00:38:59.679
real and the orcs, Clearly CGI. It just, it never

00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.380
visually, you know, blends together. Coalesces.

00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:04.940
There we go. You got it. Okay. And I want to

00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:08.360
add that I genuinely asked Andre, like halfway

00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.139
through the film, like, is that person real?

00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.400
Because I thought this was a Richard Zemeckis

00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.500
situation. Robert Zemeckis. Sorry, a Robert Zemeckis

00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:18.039
situation. And it's not. And you're right. And

00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:19.780
I straight up would have preferred that. He looks

00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:23.239
so waxy. Beowulf 2007 looks... More on Candy

00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.699
Valley, but also more cohesive as a result. You

00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:27.039
know what I'm saying? Because for as weird as

00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.380
that movie was, I'd rather this Warcraft movie

00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:31.500
look like that than this. Yeah, the human character.

00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:34.159
It's really weird. The acting is wooden. The

00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.039
acting's wooden. Honestly, okay, so like I said,

00:39:37.059 --> 00:39:38.920
I have a fucking mage character. I love mages

00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.210
in WoW. All the magic special effects look lame

00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:44.489
as shit, man. Is it like 20 earthbenders moving

00:39:44.489 --> 00:39:47.250
a rock? Not that bad, no. But like, you know,

00:39:47.269 --> 00:39:48.989
like what? There's like a scene where Medivh

00:39:48.989 --> 00:39:51.030
is on top of the mountain and the works of humans

00:39:51.030 --> 00:39:52.849
are fighting and he summons a wall of lightning

00:39:52.849 --> 00:39:54.130
and I'm like, the wall of lightning looks cool,

00:39:54.269 --> 00:39:56.630
but Medivh just passes out. He's like, oh, I'm

00:39:56.630 --> 00:39:59.230
so tired from doing wizard shit, even though

00:39:59.230 --> 00:40:01.170
I'm supposed to be the best at this wizard shit.

00:40:01.309 --> 00:40:03.610
And he passes out. And it's like, what the fuck?

00:40:03.610 --> 00:40:09.010
This Medivh guy sucks. Like, all of these characters,

00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.780
And here's the thing, right? So like I said,

00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:13.019
I played a bunch of WoW. In the timeline, all

00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:16.219
of these characters are either long gone or whatever.

00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:20.320
The king, so Howard Stark. Yes. In WoW, it's

00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.400
his grandson that is the current adult grandson

00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.659
is the current king of Stormwind. Oh, okay. All

00:40:25.659 --> 00:40:27.260
right. So they try for something. Yeah, okay.

00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.800
Right. And, but, like, so that's the thing. Like,

00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:32.219
I've heard his name be called, and then they'll,

00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:34.760
like, oh, I remember Great King Lane, or whatever.

00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.300
Dude's lame as shit, man. Like, it's like...

00:40:37.300 --> 00:40:40.300
Lane is lame. Lame. Lane is lame. Lane is lame.

00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.840
Lothar is lame. So we've got Boring Mirror. Boring

00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.780
Mirror, Lane, and Lame Sister, who may or may

00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:49.989
not... Lame Sister, not Lame Sister. Yeah, whatever.

00:40:50.210 --> 00:40:52.590
I don't know. And then, you know, for our orc

00:40:52.590 --> 00:40:55.050
campaign. The orcs are better. The orcs are slightly

00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:57.110
more interesting. So like I mentioned, we had

00:40:57.110 --> 00:40:59.090
this Gul'dan figure who I actually know the most

00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:01.530
because Gul'dan, he's basically the actual evil

00:41:01.530 --> 00:41:04.250
bad guy. He's a warlock. He uses fel magic, the

00:41:04.250 --> 00:41:06.389
evil magic, to basically trick his people into

00:41:06.389 --> 00:41:08.570
going through the portal. He really just wants

00:41:08.570 --> 00:41:11.869
to control all the orcs and stuff. And the main

00:41:11.869 --> 00:41:16.090
orc character is Durotan. Durotan. Durotan. Yeah,

00:41:16.150 --> 00:41:20.840
Durotan. I'm thinking of... names now for lame

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.639
and yeah so Durotan's not lame I'm gonna go back

00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.599
for Durotan so Durotan is easily the most interesting

00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.239
character in this movie he's basically like the

00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.820
first person like he like so the basically opening

00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:35.039
scene is like him like hanging out with his with

00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.300
his pregnant wife whatever partner whatever they

00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:42.420
call him an orc Daka yes who basically they're

00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:44.539
pregnant with the main character of the main

00:41:44.539 --> 00:41:46.860
orc character of Wow Thrall he's like the main

00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:49.949
main guy the fans call him Jesus because he's

00:41:49.949 --> 00:41:53.429
basically like... He's called Goel. Yeah, he's

00:41:53.429 --> 00:41:55.889
called Goel, but literally that orc is like a

00:41:55.889 --> 00:41:57.969
Moses character. It's Orc Moses, right? Where

00:41:57.969 --> 00:42:00.849
literally there's a scene where the mom lays

00:42:00.849 --> 00:42:03.690
him in the basket and lets him water the river.

00:42:03.829 --> 00:42:07.530
You can bet I was singing Deliver Us. Yeah, there

00:42:07.530 --> 00:42:12.500
it is. Anyways, so Durotan, so he goes to the

00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:14.059
portal, and he's basically kind of like one of

00:42:14.059 --> 00:42:16.579
the lead chieftain, but he's suspicious about

00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:19.039
Gul'dan, and he's like, I don't think our people

00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.980
need to follow this guy, and he's the first person

00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:25.840
to try to basically raise an olive branch with

00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.659
the humans, right? Okay, yeah. So he's obviously

00:42:28.659 --> 00:42:30.800
the orc that's kind of caught on both sides,

00:42:30.940 --> 00:42:32.800
and he's trying to just get his people free from

00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:34.860
Gul'dan's grasp. Right. And so all that stuff,

00:42:35.139 --> 00:42:37.920
well, none of his stories, like the way his story

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.500
goes isn't particularly good. surprising at all

00:42:39.500 --> 00:42:42.380
it's definitely the most engaging okay but so

00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:43.400
that's the thing like I was the most engaged

00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.099
with the orc Like, the orc parts were kind of

00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:49.699
neat -ish. You forgot a character. Who did I

00:42:49.699 --> 00:42:52.920
forget? Garona. Garona. God, the Garona. Paula

00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.039
Patton. Yeah. And the only reason I know that's

00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.199
IMDb. Right. Explicitly, the only orc, and apparently

00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.719
I think she's half orc, not full orc. It's never

00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.300
explicitly said. It's never explicitly said.

00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.420
But she's the only orc that's not CGI. She's

00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:06.619
in makeup. So she's impractical. She's your hot

00:43:06.619 --> 00:43:08.559
orc. She's your hot, yeah, yeah, yeah, hot orc,

00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:10.519
yeah. Hot orc. Yeah, and I figured they'd pick

00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.500
that because she's actually mostly with the humans.

00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.480
know there was a besides you know making sure

00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.679
she's nice on the eyes yeah spending time with

00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.260
the predominantly male human cast yes right right

00:43:24.260 --> 00:43:26.480
so she's she's basically the fan service character

00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.460
well whatever i don't know she's like an orc

00:43:28.460 --> 00:43:30.099
that basically gets captured by the humans when

00:43:30.099 --> 00:43:33.119
they first skirmish up and then she kind of the

00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.619
the howard star kind of says, hey, if you give

00:43:36.619 --> 00:43:37.840
us information about the orcs, where they're

00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.940
going, I promise you freedom. We're going to

00:43:39.940 --> 00:43:41.780
do our best for you. And he's genuine about that.

00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:43.739
Howard Stark's not a dick. He's just boring.

00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:47.500
Do they mean that? Because there are various

00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:50.940
points in the film where they're like, if she

00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:54.539
does what we ask her to do, it's good. But then

00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:58.280
we're ready to kill her. It's a tenuous relationship,

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.440
for sure. I'll give the film this. They keep

00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.380
it very ambiguous, whether by design or accident.

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:06.599
Yeah, right. Either way, so most of her scenes

00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.480
are with the humans, so that's why I figured

00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.000
she's the one in makeup and not CGI. Right. And

00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.840
they try to have this romance with Lothar and

00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.900
Garona, and I'm sure that happened in the games.

00:44:18.099 --> 00:44:20.039
They did not build up to it at all. It makes

00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.900
no gosh dang sense. They also kind of tease that

00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:27.099
Kagar... Khadgar. Khadgar is also into her. He's

00:44:27.099 --> 00:44:28.659
the mage guy. Because he's the one who finds

00:44:28.659 --> 00:44:31.179
her and I think she saves his life indirectly.

00:44:31.539 --> 00:44:34.719
Yeah. And he's just so smitten by this woman,

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.920
this orc lady. But no, it less turns into her

00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.639
and Lothar, but then, you know, it's, we don't

00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.590
know how far they go. Right. There's some ambiguity.

00:44:46.869 --> 00:44:48.889
Anyways, so this Medivh guy who I've been shitting

00:44:48.889 --> 00:44:50.989
on for a little bit. So the main plot twist.

00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:51.929
Because he sucks. Right, he sucks. He's a main

00:44:51.929 --> 00:44:54.170
wizard. Right, right. So the main plot twist

00:44:54.170 --> 00:44:56.349
of this movie is that I mentioned that Gul'dan

00:44:56.349 --> 00:44:58.369
opened the Dark Portal from their realm, the

00:44:58.369 --> 00:45:01.610
Orc's realm, to Azeroth. The main plot twist

00:45:01.610 --> 00:45:04.570
is, well, that portal needs to be powered by

00:45:04.570 --> 00:45:07.449
fel magic on both sides. So somebody on Azeroth

00:45:07.449 --> 00:45:10.210
was powering it with fel magic. And so the plot

00:45:10.210 --> 00:45:11.809
twist is that this Medivh guy who's basically

00:45:11.809 --> 00:45:14.429
just been expositing. Bullshit dialogue. I'm

00:45:14.429 --> 00:45:15.929
glad you said his name again because I was going

00:45:15.929 --> 00:45:18.070
to say a famous tennis player's name and not

00:45:18.070 --> 00:45:22.869
his name. Medvedev. Medvedev. Medvedev. Way cooler

00:45:22.869 --> 00:45:25.150
than Medvedev. Medvedev's awesome. I would rather

00:45:25.150 --> 00:45:28.269
hang out with Medvedev at any point than actual

00:45:28.269 --> 00:45:32.550
Medvedev. Medvedev. Medvedev. Medvedev. a bird

00:45:32.550 --> 00:45:35.250
though which you shouldn't say I'm also biased

00:45:35.250 --> 00:45:38.650
because Medivh is a character in Blizzard's other

00:45:38.650 --> 00:45:40.989
game called Heroes of the Storm it's like League

00:45:40.989 --> 00:45:42.889
of Legends but with Blizzard characters which

00:45:42.889 --> 00:45:46.329
extends to WoW so he's in that game and he's

00:45:46.329 --> 00:45:48.110
a fucking annoying piece of shit in that game

00:45:48.110 --> 00:45:50.250
he just turns into a bird and flies away and

00:45:50.250 --> 00:45:52.329
you can't hurt him at all and I hate him anyways

00:45:52.329 --> 00:45:55.130
Medivh sucks in this movie and in Haunts and

00:45:55.869 --> 00:46:01.170
I think you need another drink, buddy. We need

00:46:01.170 --> 00:46:03.730
to get the rage out more. Come on. I mean, he's

00:46:03.730 --> 00:46:06.840
doing a good job. keep it on track right anyways

00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.900
so like I said the main plot twist is that somebody

00:46:08.900 --> 00:46:12.119
on Azeroth is fueling was fueling the dark portal

00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.820
with fel magic and Khadgar is like no it can't

00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.960
be is it it's Medivh and then like they're like

00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.059
we have to get to Medivh now and so like I said

00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:23.199
Medivh is usually in Karazhan his his tower his

00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.559
mage tower yeah which is cool again like I should

00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:28.380
I'm backing up a little bit there are moments

00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:30.690
in this movie where I'm like oh like I remember

00:46:30.690 --> 00:46:32.449
that, like from WoW, like cool, Karazhan's a

00:46:32.449 --> 00:46:34.150
raid dungeon in WoW. So I was like, oh, this

00:46:34.150 --> 00:46:36.550
is interesting to see it before it's blown up

00:46:36.550 --> 00:46:38.630
to shit. Exactly right. You also really liked

00:46:38.630 --> 00:46:41.849
seeing the Dark Portal. The Dark Portal is honestly,

00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:44.070
because like I said, it's the login screen, and

00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:47.389
it's where you go to, so the Orc world is called

00:46:47.389 --> 00:46:49.630
the Outlanded WoW, and that's the location of

00:46:49.630 --> 00:46:51.750
my favorite expansion, the Burning Crusade, that

00:46:51.750 --> 00:46:54.150
came out when I was... Like, a high schooler,

00:46:54.150 --> 00:46:56.010
that's the perfect time, honestly, to be playing.

00:46:56.010 --> 00:46:58.230
Like, you have the most free time. I wasn't talking

00:46:58.230 --> 00:47:02.670
to girls, no way. I was in WoW. I was grinding

00:47:02.670 --> 00:47:05.969
bear asses in Hellfire Peninsula, baby. Wait,

00:47:05.969 --> 00:47:09.289
what? You were grinding bear asses? It's what

00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:11.429
my friends call, like, you know, like, it's the

00:47:11.429 --> 00:47:14.349
joke where in WoW, like, every single quest is

00:47:14.349 --> 00:47:16.849
like, I need you to go and kill these boars and

00:47:16.849 --> 00:47:18.869
get their boar hides. Like, I need you to kill

00:47:18.869 --> 00:47:20.929
these murlocs and get their fins. I need you

00:47:20.929 --> 00:47:24.019
to kill these bears. and get their bare asses.

00:47:24.940 --> 00:47:27.239
Yeah. You also liked at the beginning, and I

00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.860
mean, this is to the detriment of the film. Yeah.

00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.920
They need to set up a lot of things. They do.

00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:33.980
So the beginning of the film is the worst part

00:47:33.980 --> 00:47:35.840
because... It's fast travel the movie. Well,

00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.800
it's fast travel the movie, but they're throwing

00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.980
in so many proper nouns at you. And I know, and

00:47:39.980 --> 00:47:42.199
I've been doing that too, but like, from your

00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.340
perspective, Jo, I'm assuming that there's like...

00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:47.400
Oh, it was so confusing. It was every four to

00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.380
five minutes we would pan out with the camera,

00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.199
see the map, Move the location, zoom in, meet

00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.019
a character, be told, oh, we need to go to this

00:47:57.019 --> 00:47:59.800
place to meet with another character. Rinse,

00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.500
repeat. Yeah, with the point where I was pausing

00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:03.179
the movie and being like, oh, like, this is where

00:48:03.179 --> 00:48:04.960
this is in location with that. Because, again,

00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.260
I know the locations, not the characters as well,

00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.199
you know? Yeah. Yeah, and I just don't think

00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.719
they did not. They did not budget their time

00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.340
well with this movie as far as that goes. There's

00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:16.039
just way too many proper nouns thrown at you

00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.539
that I didn't even care at all. And I had the

00:48:19.539 --> 00:48:21.619
most... I had the best chance to care for this

00:48:21.619 --> 00:48:24.780
movie. You did. And it just didn't happen. I

00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:28.940
would say that the last half hour is probably

00:48:28.940 --> 00:48:31.380
the strongest of it. I agree with you. Because

00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:33.699
that's where Durotan's story comes to a head.

00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:35.659
He has that fight with Gul'dan and that's kind

00:48:35.659 --> 00:48:40.269
of a coolish scene. But like... I don't know,

00:48:40.269 --> 00:48:43.429
man. It ends on this weird note where, oh, well,

00:48:43.530 --> 00:48:46.730
like, so basically it's nice that Orcs have the

00:48:46.730 --> 00:48:48.530
A plot. There's, like, the A plot at the Dark

00:48:48.530 --> 00:48:51.389
Portal. They're fighting, and the B plot is Khadgar

00:48:51.389 --> 00:48:55.449
and Borringomir, whose name's Lothar. They're

00:48:55.449 --> 00:48:58.349
fighting in Medivh's Tower, and they're fighting

00:48:58.349 --> 00:49:02.750
a possessed Medivh. So the dweest is that Medivh

00:49:02.750 --> 00:49:05.789
has been possessed by a demon. They don't name

00:49:05.789 --> 00:49:08.929
drop the demon. It's not even very clear. No,

00:49:09.010 --> 00:49:11.510
right. Literally, Khadgar's the first person

00:49:11.510 --> 00:49:14.769
to suspect it, and then it cuts to Medivh in

00:49:14.769 --> 00:49:16.610
the tower, and he's hanging out with his ward,

00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:20.530
and he falls into his magic pit. And then he's

00:49:20.530 --> 00:49:23.469
like, I'm sorry. It appears I've been possessed

00:49:23.469 --> 00:49:26.070
by the fel magic. And then he's like, I'm sorry,

00:49:26.230 --> 00:49:28.429
old friend. And then he turns green, and then

00:49:28.429 --> 00:49:30.210
he starts having little tusks grow out of him.

00:49:30.469 --> 00:49:32.550
And they don't name drop the demon, but the demon's

00:49:32.550 --> 00:49:35.670
name is Sargeras, which is a huge WoW boss. He's

00:49:35.670 --> 00:49:39.449
a big evil bad guy in WoW. Sequel rating, probably.

00:49:39.769 --> 00:49:42.329
Right. Well, it's part of the lore, I guess.

00:49:42.530 --> 00:49:45.130
But if they just name dropped Sargeras, I would

00:49:45.130 --> 00:49:46.710
have been like, oh, cool. But I didn't know.

00:49:46.909 --> 00:49:49.079
I didn't know. Who cares? Whatever. Anyway. Right.

00:49:49.179 --> 00:49:51.340
Midi is a bad guy now. He's been possessed. And

00:49:51.340 --> 00:49:55.380
so the final half hour, the best part, is the

00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:58.420
A plot is all of the orcs and humans are fighting

00:49:58.420 --> 00:50:00.139
at the dark portal to try to close the dark portal

00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:02.059
so orcs stop getting through. Right. And then

00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:05.039
the B plot is boring Omir, his name is Lothar,

00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:10.380
and Khadgar, the plucky mage, are fighting. Evil

00:50:10.380 --> 00:50:15.659
Medivh in his tower. The plucky man. I've got

00:50:15.659 --> 00:50:20.800
a thing on him. We'll get there. I don't know,

00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.460
man. At least the humans have the B plot, so

00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:26.099
I don't have to care about that. The A plot is

00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:29.039
the orcs, and Durotan has a cool moment where

00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.000
he's having a fight. He basically... He goes

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:33.739
into ritual combat. He goes into ritual combat

00:50:33.739 --> 00:50:35.719
and I hate to compare it to Black Panther because

00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.880
Black Panther is an infinitely better movie and

00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.400
this scene is also infinitely done better but

00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.440
it's that kind of similar vibe where it's a very

00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:49.159
sacred combat ritual. and so like nobody jumps

00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.260
in correct it's just one on one combat Gul'dan

00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.360
and Durotan and it's cool and they've done a

00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:57.260
good job throughout the film setting up how like

00:50:57.260 --> 00:51:00.980
tradition means a lot to the culture so that

00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:04.860
is a good payoff yes so it's a payoff to that

00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:07.619
and then that's so Durotan gets his shit kicked

00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:10.460
in, obviously. But, you know, Gul'dan tries to

00:51:10.460 --> 00:51:12.800
weasel out of it. So Gul'dan's sucking his soul

00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.519
out or whatever. And they're like, what? You're

00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.059
cheating. You're using magic. You can't use magic

00:51:17.059 --> 00:51:20.480
to win this. So that was basically the first.

00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.659
So Durotan dies. He bites it. But in his death,

00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.230
that kind of sets up. Oh my god, I forget his

00:51:28.230 --> 00:51:30.510
name. His name is Orgrim. Orgrim Deathhammer,

00:51:30.610 --> 00:51:32.630
I think, or something like that. Blackhand? No,

00:51:32.789 --> 00:51:34.710
Blackhand's the bad guy. Blackhand is the actual

00:51:34.710 --> 00:51:37.730
bad orc that's Gul'dan's heel. Hold up, hold

00:51:37.730 --> 00:51:40.010
up. Orgrim Doomhammer, I think, is what his name

00:51:40.010 --> 00:51:43.670
is. Orgrim? I just have Orgrim. Robert Kaczynski?

00:51:43.889 --> 00:51:48.110
Yes, yes. So Orgrim Doomhammer is basically Durotan's

00:51:48.110 --> 00:51:51.010
best friend, and he basically uses that moment

00:51:51.010 --> 00:51:53.460
to kind of... have a sea's power like basically

00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:55.840
like have have all these orcs shake their faith

00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.159
in gold and and kind of have a sea change okay

00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.860
what's that black hand that's clancy brown yeah

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:03.679
black hands yeah yeah yeah yeah black hand is

00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.239
like the actual he's like the the warfare war

00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.699
chief that you see two sides of it where it's

00:52:09.699 --> 00:52:12.860
you know you've got the orcs that are into it

00:52:12.860 --> 00:52:14.380
and then starting to question and then the ones

00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:17.500
that are like same level of questioning but decide

00:52:17.500 --> 00:52:21.119
to just buy in right yeah yeah do you know clancy's

00:52:21.939 --> 00:52:24.199
Like, claim to fame. He's been in a bunch of

00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.039
stuff, but mostly voices and stuff like that.

00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.599
Yeah, what's his claim? So, he is Mr. Krabs.

00:52:28.940 --> 00:52:31.860
He's Mr. Krabs? He's Mr. Krabs. Whoa! He's also

00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:35.719
Surtur in Thor Ragnarok. Oh, okay, got it. Yeah,

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:39.199
he's Mr. Krabs. He's been doing a bunch of stuff.

00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:41.760
Like, he was in Shawshank, he was in Starship

00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.480
Troopers. Okay. Like, he's been in everything.

00:52:43.949 --> 00:52:46.570
But yeah, Clancy Brown is Mr. Krabs, which is

00:52:46.570 --> 00:52:48.389
amazing to me. That's actually awesome. I'm going

00:52:48.389 --> 00:52:51.530
to listen to Mr. Krabs with Black Hand. Black

00:52:51.530 --> 00:52:53.849
Hand is like the main orc. If I know this correctly,

00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:55.630
he's like the main orc bad guy you're fighting

00:52:55.630 --> 00:52:57.650
against on the human campaign in the very first

00:52:57.650 --> 00:53:01.269
game. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways. Whatever.

00:53:01.269 --> 00:53:04.349
That's all happening. That wraps up. And then

00:53:04.349 --> 00:53:06.969
what? Humans at the Black Gate. Humans are at

00:53:06.969 --> 00:53:09.789
the Black Gate trying to prevent the orcs from

00:53:09.789 --> 00:53:12.010
invading Stormwind, the human capital city. And

00:53:12.010 --> 00:53:15.110
then what is it? Oh, yeah. So the king is there.

00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:17.809
Howard Stark is there. And he's with Garona.

00:53:18.010 --> 00:53:20.869
And it's kind of like Garona at this point is

00:53:20.869 --> 00:53:23.230
very loyal to the humans. They've shown her kindness.

00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.179
you know, there. You've shown me kindness. I'm

00:53:26.179 --> 00:53:29.739
with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, inexplicably,

00:53:29.739 --> 00:53:31.920
like, you know, they're fighting and it's intense

00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.159
or whatever and then, like, and then the king

00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.400
just turns to Garon and is like, you need to

00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.840
stab me in the back to make it look like... you

00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.340
did it so you could be a hero and be accepted

00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:44.199
by the orcs so you can be the bridge between

00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.840
orcs and humans it's the only way and i'm like

00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.980
what sort so yes just to throw the throw in the

00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:52.579
detail of they established that like you kill

00:53:52.579 --> 00:53:55.659
someone if an orc kills right if the orc kills

00:53:55.659 --> 00:54:00.260
the heist the chief they get that's their that's

00:54:00.260 --> 00:54:02.639
their main way yeah yeah so that's like the whole

00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.670
point is that if she kills the king She'll be

00:54:05.670 --> 00:54:10.510
respected and take control. Gul'dan will still

00:54:10.510 --> 00:54:12.570
be in charge, but they're going to follow her.

00:54:13.230 --> 00:54:15.630
It's a political thing. It's a dumb political

00:54:15.630 --> 00:54:19.329
thing. We should stab him and kill him? And they

00:54:19.329 --> 00:54:21.090
tell nobody of this plan. They tell nobody of

00:54:21.090 --> 00:54:23.130
this plan. He doesn't tell anybody else about

00:54:23.130 --> 00:54:25.469
it, right? And he's like, you have to stab me.

00:54:25.570 --> 00:54:27.789
And this is also right when, sorry, the B -plot

00:54:27.789 --> 00:54:31.400
is still happening. Khadgar and Boring Omir.

00:54:31.579 --> 00:54:37.099
They are victorious. They kill Medivh. They incapacitate

00:54:37.099 --> 00:54:39.139
Medivh. And in Medivh's dying breath, he's like,

00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:43.380
change it. He channels his power and changes

00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:46.360
the portal. from the the dark portal they're

00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:48.039
fighting literally fighting behind it the dark

00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:51.039
world changes from being open to the orcs to

00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.159
going to stormwind so basically it was a way

00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.480
for the human soldiers to evacuate back to their

00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.000
city oh okay and it's like okay cool and it's

00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:59.880
like a neat reference because mages and wow can

00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:02.739
open portals to cities so yeah it's like okay

00:55:02.739 --> 00:55:05.579
cool i guess sure it's a little deus ex machina

00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:07.440
though for sure either way humans are getting

00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.139
retreating and that's when yeah this is filled

00:55:11.139 --> 00:55:14.260
with them and uh this is that's when that's when

00:55:14.260 --> 00:55:17.420
uh uh king howard stark basically hatches that

00:55:17.420 --> 00:55:20.980
plan and so garona is tearfully stabbed like

00:55:20.980 --> 00:55:23.900
stabs him in the back and she's like no and then

00:55:23.900 --> 00:55:26.440
immediately like the orcs like stop fighting

00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.179
the humans when this happens and they're like

00:55:28.179 --> 00:55:31.679
yeah and they literally like bring her up like

00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.679
crowd surfing style He's just in the middle of

00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.239
a fucking battle. And at that point, that's when

00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.239
Lothar shows up having flown in on a griffin.

00:55:41.539 --> 00:55:43.880
Lothar wraps up his business and he sees her

00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:47.219
stabbing him. My heart. I loved this woman. Except

00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:50.539
I don't pretend. Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't.

00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:54.539
Who knows? It was me. Because Howard Stark didn't

00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:58.079
tell anybody, Lothar, Boring O'Meara, Anduin

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:02.280
Boring O'Meara Lothar thinks that Garona is...

00:56:02.889 --> 00:56:05.789
has defected and is actually just bad. He gave

00:56:05.789 --> 00:56:08.329
her his heart. She gave him betrayal. Oh my god.

00:56:08.969 --> 00:56:11.570
He's a taste of betrayal. She gave him her mother's

00:56:11.570 --> 00:56:14.969
tooth. She gave him her mother's tooth. Yes.

00:56:14.989 --> 00:56:18.250
Right before they go into the final act of the

00:56:18.250 --> 00:56:20.670
film and everyone goes their separate ways. So,

00:56:20.670 --> 00:56:25.070
at one point, his son dies, Medivh. Indirectly

00:56:25.070 --> 00:56:26.849
or maybe totally directly. Accidentally. Whatever.

00:56:27.050 --> 00:56:29.750
Accidentally kills his son. Right. Accidentally.

00:56:29.750 --> 00:56:32.030
He brings up the lightning wall I talked about

00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:34.869
where he passed out and Lothar is on one side

00:56:34.869 --> 00:56:37.550
and his son is on the other side fighting Orcstone.

00:56:37.550 --> 00:56:39.369
Oh, and that's when Blackhand is like, I see

00:56:39.369 --> 00:56:42.250
the connection. Oh, right. And so Mr. Krabs grabs

00:56:42.250 --> 00:56:45.889
Lothar's son and looks at him and they both look

00:56:45.889 --> 00:56:47.590
at him and he has him in his hand and it literally

00:56:47.590 --> 00:56:49.469
just like, yeah, kills him. I'm an excited kid

00:56:49.469 --> 00:56:51.989
now. Yeah, right. It was a very awkward moment,

00:56:52.190 --> 00:56:54.480
honestly. Like, it's... It sounds more badass

00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.760
than I'm making it. It was very bizarre. It was

00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:59.960
very clunky. Yeah, it was a clunky scene. It

00:56:59.960 --> 00:57:02.420
was just like, what? So after that fact... I

00:57:02.420 --> 00:57:06.260
love how you said Mr. Krabs. It kills him. So

00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:09.739
after that, Lothor, in a drunken misery, encounters

00:57:09.739 --> 00:57:13.619
Garona, and she goes to console him, but that

00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:15.940
is like kissing his neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's

00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:17.820
no chemistry built up at all. It's like, what

00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:21.050
is this? yes right right and it's like okay you

00:57:21.050 --> 00:57:24.190
didn't gauge the sizzling right and so I should

00:57:24.190 --> 00:57:27.690
bring up that apparently they said that the director's

00:57:27.690 --> 00:57:30.429
cut has or like his the director his cut would

00:57:30.429 --> 00:57:32.650
have 40 more minutes of content and I don't know

00:57:32.650 --> 00:57:34.210
if I can handle that would that include a sex

00:57:34.210 --> 00:57:40.789
scene maybe who knows Curtain blowing in the

00:57:40.789 --> 00:57:45.329
wind. That type of deal. Anyways. They make it

00:57:45.329 --> 00:57:47.329
go out and then all of a sudden the camera pans

00:57:47.329 --> 00:57:50.630
to the window. Something like that. The movie

00:57:50.630 --> 00:57:55.210
wraps up with the baby from Dirt Camp Kid being

00:57:55.210 --> 00:57:59.150
fished out of the river. Orc Moses being fished

00:57:59.150 --> 00:58:01.530
out by... What's his name again? Thrall? His

00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:06.750
name is... His orc name is Goel. But he will

00:58:06.750 --> 00:58:09.389
become known as Thrall, and I'm familiar with

00:58:09.389 --> 00:58:11.289
that character because he's basically the person

00:58:11.289 --> 00:58:13.289
that actions all of the plot in World of Warcraft.

00:58:13.369 --> 00:58:15.809
Who's this movie for? Is it for Warcraft fans?

00:58:15.849 --> 00:58:17.590
It's for Warcraft fans, right. So I think it's

00:58:17.590 --> 00:58:19.050
for, honestly, super nerdy Warcraft. I mean,

00:58:19.070 --> 00:58:22.050
I don't want to be rude, but, like, it's... That's

00:58:22.050 --> 00:58:24.690
why I asked. So this does... And when I read...

00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.969
So when I read of this plot summary, it tries

00:58:27.969 --> 00:58:31.750
its damnedest to get a plot out of the very first

00:58:31.750 --> 00:58:35.179
game from 1994. And just as, like, context like

00:58:35.179 --> 00:58:38.420
that game very revolutionary for the rts genre

00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:41.000
yeah like for its gameplay but the story is literally

00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.340
just paragraphs of voiced over text in between

00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:45.260
different missions where you either play as the

00:58:45.260 --> 00:58:47.119
orcs or you play as the humans and it's just

00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:51.320
it's just this guy the general black hand who

00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:54.539
is maybe voiced by mr crabs is in this is is

00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:57.420
now invading goldshire we need you to ride there

00:58:57.420 --> 00:59:00.179
and fight them off and that's it you know i'm

00:59:00.179 --> 00:59:03.650
looking if clancy brown actually voiced Blackhand

00:59:03.650 --> 00:59:05.329
in the game. No, he did not. No, no, no, no.

00:59:05.650 --> 00:59:07.369
Blackhand wasn't voiced over. There's no voice.

00:59:07.590 --> 00:59:08.929
Oh, there's no voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's

00:59:08.929 --> 00:59:10.630
what I'm saying. Because I was wondering why

00:59:10.630 --> 00:59:13.210
he's in this. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. This

00:59:13.210 --> 00:59:15.110
was not like a, there's no, this was not like

00:59:15.110 --> 00:59:17.150
a, oh, fan cast, like, you know, like, we'll

00:59:17.150 --> 00:59:19.909
bring him back. No. Hey, I'm in for it. Right.

00:59:19.949 --> 00:59:23.949
I love Clancy Brown. Yeah. So, like, the problem

00:59:23.949 --> 00:59:26.449
is that they're adapting a video game story back

00:59:26.449 --> 00:59:29.269
when That was from a game that was made back

00:59:29.269 --> 00:59:32.750
when stories were very much not the focus of

00:59:32.750 --> 00:59:35.309
video games. You know what I mean? I don't know.

00:59:35.329 --> 00:59:37.210
At the end of the day, this movie did not...

00:59:37.210 --> 00:59:40.190
I would not say it succeeded because it's not

00:59:40.190 --> 00:59:42.469
going to make any people that don't know Warcraft

00:59:42.469 --> 00:59:44.590
into Warcraft fans. Yeah. Because this doesn't

00:59:44.590 --> 00:59:48.230
differentiate itself enough from Tolkien. Like,

00:59:48.230 --> 00:59:50.909
it doesn't. Like, it's just bad Tolkien. You

00:59:50.909 --> 00:59:53.570
ask who this movie is for. I can tell you one

00:59:53.570 --> 00:59:56.699
thing. It is not for women. Fair. Yeah, fair.

00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.539
Super fair. This movie does pass the Bechdel

00:59:59.539 --> 01:00:01.800
test in the sense that there's just not, there's

01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.840
only two female characters in this. And they

01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:06.840
don't have enough time together on screen to

01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:08.860
even really have a conversation. But they don't

01:00:08.860 --> 01:00:10.820
pass the Bechdel test. They have to have a conversation,

01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:12.559
right? They have a conversation. They do. They

01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:16.300
talk. And it's not about a man. That's true.

01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.920
Right. No, no, no. That's true. I guess it does

01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.699
pass. Because the queen talks to Garona. You

01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:22.599
know, she gives her a blanket. She gives her

01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.920
a blanket. Gives her food. How long is the conversation?

01:00:26.260 --> 01:00:27.980
Probably about two minutes. Something like that.

01:00:28.059 --> 01:00:31.440
All right. Yeah. But you know what dampens the

01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.500
whole thing? Yeah, it does. It passes the Bechdel

01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:35.849
test. Yeah. Is that it's white savior. It is.

01:00:35.869 --> 01:00:37.769
No, no, no. Like, that's the thing. Like, it's

01:00:37.769 --> 01:00:40.110
not compelling at all. I want to say that. Like,

01:00:40.110 --> 01:00:43.409
it's very, like, very forced. Like, oh, the queen

01:00:43.409 --> 01:00:47.170
is showing the orc woman kindness. It's very

01:00:47.170 --> 01:00:49.250
hand -fisted, you know? Yeah, you know, they

01:00:49.250 --> 01:00:51.829
send the woman in to talk to the other woman.

01:00:52.210 --> 01:00:54.269
Like, that's actually, like, that's a thing.

01:00:54.329 --> 01:00:55.769
They're like, oh, she won't talk to us, which

01:00:55.769 --> 01:00:58.130
maybe she'll talk to someone else. Right. Okay.

01:00:58.409 --> 01:01:01.690
And the character of Khadgar. Khadgar. Khadgar.

01:01:01.789 --> 01:01:05.530
Khadgar. So, throughout the film, after... There

01:01:05.530 --> 01:01:07.190
was actually one where you forgot he was a man.

01:01:07.829 --> 01:01:10.460
You saw... him riding on a horse, and you thought

01:01:10.460 --> 01:01:12.340
it was a woman. Right, yeah, that's true. He

01:01:12.340 --> 01:01:15.159
had a blue cloak on, and I was like, oh, that's

01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:18.679
probably a girl, right? You just mentioned, there

01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:20.860
are no women in this, and I'm like, yeah, probably

01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:22.820
not. And I'm like, oh, that might be a woman

01:01:22.820 --> 01:01:24.940
over there, you know, like a lady mage, you know?

01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.380
And then no, and then it's like, oh no, it's

01:01:27.380 --> 01:01:30.099
Khadgar. So it is really accurate to Warcraft.

01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.159
No, it's not because half of them would be pretending

01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:39.320
to be women. Anyways. I just mentioned Robert

01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:41.860
Downey Jr. pretending to be a dude, pretending

01:01:41.860 --> 01:01:43.780
to be a woman, pretending to be a dude. Right,

01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:45.320
right. If this was actual World of Warcraft,

01:01:45.380 --> 01:01:47.619
all of them would be inexplicably night elf females

01:01:47.619 --> 01:01:50.579
wearing no armor whatsoever, doing dance emotes

01:01:50.579 --> 01:01:55.440
in the middle of Stormwind. So when that happened

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.360
afterwards, I was like, well, why can't he be

01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.739
a woman? What about him is so specifically tied

01:02:00.739 --> 01:02:02.960
to a gender that this role just couldn't be a

01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.099
woman? there is no reason why he couldn't be

01:02:06.099 --> 01:02:09.139
a she. No. Unless, um, the mage school that he

01:02:09.139 --> 01:02:12.239
left was, like, no women. Right. But we don't

01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:13.500
know enough about the world to get that. Well,

01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.500
right, right, right, right. So, like, I'll say

01:02:15.500 --> 01:02:18.099
is that the main human mage character that's

01:02:18.099 --> 01:02:21.099
plot relevant in... warcraft now is jaina proudemore

01:02:21.099 --> 01:02:23.659
who is a woman i guess but like yay she's right

01:02:23.659 --> 01:02:26.639
and like oh yay we get one of those that's the

01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:28.659
thing is that like where's sylvanas sylvanas

01:02:28.659 --> 01:02:31.539
isn't showing up yet like we're way before sylvanas

01:02:31.539 --> 01:02:33.639
um that's the thing is that like i feel like

01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.619
it was almost the wrong yes like i don't get

01:02:36.619 --> 01:02:38.699
why they felt like they had to like be like oh

01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:40.679
for the true fans we're gonna start at the very

01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.239
beginning and it's like okay There's so much

01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:48.679
more to pick from. If I can just play armchair

01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.639
fan, if I can just be an angry fan on Twitter

01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:53.980
for a second, if I were to make a Warcraft movie,

01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:55.800
I would go one of two directions. I would go,

01:02:55.900 --> 01:02:58.239
if they want to do the big political Game of

01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.400
Thrones style, big, large -scale war thing, you

01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.300
just jump straight to Warcraft 3 and you start

01:03:03.300 --> 01:03:06.280
adapting Arthas' story, which I don't want to

01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.079
get too much into it, but I still need to show

01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:09.440
you that trailer because it's fucking dope for

01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.340
Warcraft The Lich King. But basically, Arthas

01:03:11.340 --> 01:03:13.579
is the most compelling villain, I think, in Warcraft

01:03:13.579 --> 01:03:15.960
lore. I'm familiar with because he is a human

01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.800
paladin that falls from grace. He falls to temptation

01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.360
from taking Frostmourne, and he basically kills

01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.360
his whole entire kingdom and raises an undead

01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:26.519
army. So it sounds like Diablo. It's like Diablo.

01:03:26.619 --> 01:03:28.659
And that's like, it's very cheesy, it's been

01:03:28.659 --> 01:03:30.860
done before, it's very tropey, but it's also

01:03:30.860 --> 01:03:32.880
cool as fuck. I would love to see a feature film

01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.320
of that because there's a lot of melodramatic

01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:37.159
character drama that can come from that. So he

01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.019
wanted to be an angry fan on Twitter. His Twitter

01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:42.579
is at Lama Dre. Yeah, right, right. Just at me.

01:03:43.179 --> 01:03:44.659
What's the other direction? And then the other

01:03:44.659 --> 01:03:46.260
direction I think is actually way more compelling

01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:49.019
and because it's, again, biased from my experience

01:03:49.019 --> 01:03:51.320
with WoW. I think you have to go small scale

01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.179
with World of Warcraft where you make it about

01:03:53.179 --> 01:03:55.900
a group of, maybe a group of people in a guild

01:03:55.900 --> 01:03:58.659
or something like that going on a small... That

01:03:58.659 --> 01:04:01.579
would be fun. No -name people within the world

01:04:01.579 --> 01:04:04.099
going on a quest of something. It could be a

01:04:04.099 --> 01:04:06.420
dungeon story or something. They have no connections

01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:08.059
to kings, queens, whatever. They're not kings,

01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.619
queens. They come from their own past. Exactly,

01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.159
right. The kings and queens and all the war generals

01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:16.139
are named. Every fucking D &D adventure. Yes,

01:04:16.139 --> 01:04:18.480
right. Make it a D &D adventure. Exactly, right.

01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.480
Make that a movie. Or it could be about a tavern

01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:24.239
keeper or something. But something smaller, more

01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.000
intimate, that makes the world itself a character,

01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:30.880
I think. That would be the most compelling way

01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.000
to show off Azeroth, I would say. All right.

01:04:33.019 --> 01:04:34.579
We need to get to ratings. We do. Sorry. We need

01:04:34.579 --> 01:04:36.440
to take a break and then do our last segment.

01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:43.099
Yes. Okay. Ratings. I am going to go with 1 .25.

01:04:45.819 --> 01:04:48.699
polymorph... 1 .25 murlocs out of 5. Oh, but

01:04:48.699 --> 01:04:49.820
you liked it when you polymorphed into the shit.

01:04:49.820 --> 01:04:51.599
I did. That was my favorite moment. You're right.

01:04:52.099 --> 01:04:55.559
Okay. 1 .25 polymorphs out of 5. Okay. Oh, and

01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.360
then I get to give a rating? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:59.260
Even though it's Andre's bad movie, you watched

01:04:59.260 --> 01:05:01.519
it. I did watch it. You watched it to the end,

01:05:01.539 --> 01:05:06.300
man. Ugh. I'm gonna give it a 1 out of 5 ugly

01:05:06.300 --> 01:05:09.510
-looking golems. damn yeah it was a checkoff

01:05:09.510 --> 01:05:11.590
golem was it golem yeah yeah it was checkoff

01:05:11.590 --> 01:05:14.349
golem that's for sure yeah well we are going

01:05:14.349 --> 01:05:17.090
to give a shout out and a uh you get to hear

01:05:17.090 --> 01:05:21.449
their ad um it is booze and spirits podcast um

01:05:21.449 --> 01:05:24.320
they're the ones that guessed correctly on our

01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:26.840
game. We probably will do more like that in the

01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.900
future just to give you an idea of what the Booze

01:05:29.900 --> 01:05:32.380
and Spirits is. Siblings Nick and Kate share

01:05:32.380 --> 01:05:34.440
some of their favorite ghost stories as well

01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:36.599
as recipes for delicious cocktails to get you

01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.099
in that spooky mood. I like it, Booze and Spirits.

01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:41.599
Yeah, Booze and Spirits. It's literally Booze

01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.159
and Spirits. Dig it. Oh, I get it. Yeah, here's

01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.280
their ad. We love them. Yeah. Give a listen to

01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:49.860
them. Once you're done listening to us, of course,

01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:57.400
see you after the break. So, I had intended to

01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.219
write us a script for a promo, but it totally

01:06:00.219 --> 01:06:02.099
whiffed my brain. What do you think we should

01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:04.800
have in a promo? Do you like scary stuff talked

01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.199
about by a bunch of r**ts? I feel like others

01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.619
might be hesitant to use a promo with the word

01:06:09.619 --> 01:06:12.500
r**t in it. You don't say it in mixed company.

01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:14.719
Let's just start with, I'm Nick, I'm Katie, the

01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:17.699
host of this scary podcast. I think it's better

01:06:17.699 --> 01:06:23.159
if you just do both of those things. I'm Nick

01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:27.139
McDonald, I'm Katie! This is a Booze and Spirits

01:06:27.139 --> 01:06:31.139
podcast. Well, I mean, there's a thousand podcasts

01:06:31.139 --> 01:06:33.860
of people talking spooky sh** and drinking. Exactly.

01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:36.820
The only thing that differentiates this is...

01:06:36.820 --> 01:06:39.539
We're sh** shows. We're sh** shows. And we have

01:06:39.539 --> 01:06:41.659
the original cocktail angle. That was the main

01:06:41.659 --> 01:06:46.099
thing. Do you like gins and gin? Have you ever

01:06:46.099 --> 01:06:50.639
had booze and booze? Do you like spirits and

01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:52.949
spirits? I feel like there's something you can

01:06:52.949 --> 01:06:55.070
make here. Do you like the mix ever clear with

01:06:55.070 --> 01:07:02.789
the ever after? Is somebody watching you while

01:07:02.789 --> 01:07:10.150
you're drinking White Claw? Have you ever seen

01:07:10.150 --> 01:07:14.590
an apparition on Long Island? While drinking

01:07:14.590 --> 01:07:24.119
White Claw? Pee yourself from terror or pee yourself

01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.019
from laughing. You're going to pee yourself.

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Or pee yourself because you drank too much. There

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you go. The trifecta of peeing yourself. The

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That was an ad for Booze and Spirits. Hopefully

01:07:54.349 --> 01:07:56.769
you checked them out. Of course, after you finish

01:07:56.769 --> 01:07:58.969
our episode and maybe some others, you know,

01:07:58.989 --> 01:08:01.750
because we love that. We got a backlog. Yeah,

01:08:01.789 --> 01:08:04.710
exactly. We got a backlog, yeah. And as always,

01:08:04.789 --> 01:08:06.769
leave us a five -star review. It helps other

01:08:06.769 --> 01:08:10.130
people find us on Apple Podcasts. I don't know

01:08:10.130 --> 01:08:12.710
if you guys know that or not. We can't be found,

01:08:12.789 --> 01:08:15.210
really, unless five -star reviews come our way.

01:08:15.309 --> 01:08:18.270
Interesting. It then messes with the... algorithm

01:08:18.270 --> 01:08:21.569
or whatever so yeah okay yeah noted you know

01:08:21.569 --> 01:08:23.449
apple podcast trying to screw over the little

01:08:23.449 --> 01:08:25.569
guy yeah what the heck man yeah this is why you

01:08:25.569 --> 01:08:30.329
always get joe rogan versus us or or that other

01:08:30.329 --> 01:08:33.329
show that shall not be named you know how did

01:08:33.329 --> 01:08:37.489
this get made which is essentially us but not

01:08:37.489 --> 01:08:42.350
as good yeah there you go got him uh we move

01:08:42.350 --> 01:08:46.770
now to our newest segment hashtag cacher track

01:08:47.340 --> 01:08:49.479
Yeah. I like the hand gestures. I know, right?

01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:50.760
It plays very well in the show. Did you just

01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:56.880
freestyle that? I guess. The gestures get me

01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:58.939
really excited for it. Yeah. So it builds up

01:08:58.939 --> 01:09:01.500
the excitement in the voice, I feel like. Yeah,

01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.859
yeah. I'm pumped down. I'm pumped up. Oh, you're

01:09:03.859 --> 01:09:05.880
pumped down? I'm pumped up. You said pumped down.

01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:08.399
I'm pumped down. Now I'm pumped up. All right.

01:09:08.420 --> 01:09:11.600
For Andre. Hashtag. Hashtag. Cash or trash. That's

01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:15.460
it. All right. But for the rest of us. Hashtag.

01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:19.369
Cash or trash. Jill, you are once again starting

01:09:19.369 --> 01:09:23.670
us off. Mine's going to be brief. We recently

01:09:23.670 --> 01:09:26.989
fell into access for Apple TV. It's how we watch

01:09:26.989 --> 01:09:30.930
Ted Lasso. Highly recommend. And after finishing

01:09:30.930 --> 01:09:32.630
that up, we're like, what else is out there that

01:09:32.630 --> 01:09:33.970
we've heard good things about but we haven't

01:09:33.970 --> 01:09:36.069
had a chance to watch? So we decided to check

01:09:36.069 --> 01:09:38.569
out Mythic Quest, or as it's known for the first

01:09:38.569 --> 01:09:42.310
season, Mythic Quest Raven's Banquet. It's from

01:09:42.310 --> 01:09:46.880
the... It's got the creators and... Creators

01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:48.920
are part of the team that made It's Always Sunny.

01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:52.039
Megan Ganz was the executive producer. It has

01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:55.079
Charlie Day and then Rob McElhaney. That guy.

01:09:55.819 --> 01:09:58.060
Charlie Day's not in it, but Rob McElhaney is

01:09:58.060 --> 01:10:00.439
the main guy. Charlie Day was one of the creators.

01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.810
As far as I know... McElhaney was like the brainchild

01:10:03.810 --> 01:10:06.949
for this. Yeah. And it's a comedy that follows

01:10:06.949 --> 01:10:09.529
a video game studio that produces the very popular

01:10:09.529 --> 01:10:12.289
in -universe game Mythic Quest. One could say

01:10:12.289 --> 01:10:15.850
it could be based off of World of Warcraft. Who

01:10:15.850 --> 01:10:20.729
knows? It has a lot of Bethesda characters. Who's

01:10:20.729 --> 01:10:23.119
the... What's the studios that show up a lot?

01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.720
Oh, man, I think they must have had to deal with

01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.880
Ubisoft, because one very cute thing about this

01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.520
is that all of the scene transitions, they show

01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.439
gameplay footage, and a bunch of them is from,

01:10:33.460 --> 01:10:35.279
like, I've seen, like... Clips from, like, Assassin's

01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:38.420
Creed or For Honor or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:41.020
They don't try to, like, make a specific game,

01:10:41.060 --> 01:10:44.159
just generic fantasy. But, yeah. Yeah, and it's

01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.539
got a cast of colorful characters. Each of them

01:10:46.539 --> 01:10:49.079
do different things for the company, and they

01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:52.800
clash heads with crazy ideas. Last episode we

01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.619
happened to watch was about them discovering

01:10:54.619 --> 01:10:57.460
Nazis that play the game. So how are they going

01:10:57.460 --> 01:11:01.600
to solve the Nazi problem? okay yeah some interesting

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.039
ideas that get printed across the field okay

01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:08.359
oh yeah dinner party yeah and honestly it's a

01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:09.960
show that like it starts off I think a little

01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:12.020
shaky but I think it's finding its footing and

01:11:12.020 --> 01:11:13.920
you know what the second season just came out

01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.140
a few days ago weeks weeks ago sorry yes a few

01:11:17.140 --> 01:11:18.819
weeks ago so you know we're looking forward to

01:11:18.819 --> 01:11:20.859
watching the latest episode was a few days ago

01:11:20.859 --> 01:11:25.000
there we go about halfway through the first season.

01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.699
We're enjoying it. We've heard a lot of good

01:11:27.699 --> 01:11:29.939
buzz for the second season. So I'm anticipating

01:11:29.939 --> 01:11:32.140
this to be like a lot of series where the first

01:11:32.140 --> 01:11:34.420
season is kind of like a trial run. Like Space

01:11:34.420 --> 01:11:38.359
Force. Yeah. And even The Office. The first season

01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.060
is like the trial run. You get to know the characters

01:11:40.060 --> 01:11:44.279
but then they're figuring out things that work

01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.220
better and the second season is... from what

01:11:47.220 --> 01:11:49.460
we're hearing, a lot. Really, really good. Perfect.

01:11:49.659 --> 01:11:51.859
No, I like that kind of stuff. Yeah. So, would

01:11:51.859 --> 01:11:54.800
you say hashtag cash or hashtag trash? I would

01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:57.140
guess. Hashtag cash. Yeah. I would guess, but,

01:11:57.260 --> 01:11:59.699
you know, you just gotta get those ratings. Yeah.

01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.819
So, the latest I will talk about is Woman in

01:12:03.819 --> 01:12:06.500
the Window. It's a movie that Clara really wanted

01:12:06.500 --> 01:12:09.460
to watch because she read the book. It does have

01:12:09.460 --> 01:12:14.479
a great cast. It's Amy Adams. It's Julianne Moore

01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:20.260
and... What's his name? Dang it. Oh, I know who

01:12:20.260 --> 01:12:22.760
you're talking about. Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman.

01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:24.020
That's not who I thought you were talking about.

01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:26.840
No, it is Gary Oldman. And Brian Tyree Henry's

01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:31.340
in it as well. Oh, okay. Yeah. And Wyatt Russell.

01:12:31.779 --> 01:12:33.359
That's who I'm thinking of. Oh, Wyatt Russell.

01:12:33.619 --> 01:12:36.340
He's in it as well, yes. I love Wyatt Russell.

01:12:36.539 --> 01:12:39.520
Yes. Wyatt Russell's a smaller part, so that's

01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.479
the reason why he wasn't in my initial stuff

01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:48.659
about it. You know, it's a woman that is agoraphobic,

01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.140
stays in her apartment. It's very rear window.

01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:54.500
The issue is it's not as good as rear window.

01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.399
the lady on the train yes rear window yes it's

01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:00.520
very it's very similar to both of those yes okay

01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.500
it is rear window i would say completely almost

01:13:03.500 --> 01:13:05.819
because like even she has the binoculars she

01:13:05.819 --> 01:13:08.100
has a camera you know like that kind of stuff

01:13:08.100 --> 01:13:10.119
also like a raging alcoholic she is a raging

01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:13.539
alcoholic and that's it introduces the untrusting

01:13:13.539 --> 01:13:17.119
narrator because you don't know exactly what

01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.500
she's hiding what she's making up that kind of

01:13:19.500 --> 01:13:21.859
stuff and you don't know her tragic backstory

01:13:23.949 --> 01:13:28.109
Yes, exactly. Whoever directed this has never

01:13:28.109 --> 01:13:30.689
done an action movie. The ending of that movie

01:13:30.689 --> 01:13:33.489
was awful. Really? Yeah, it was terrible. They

01:13:33.489 --> 01:13:36.350
tried to make this action sequence and the camera's

01:13:36.350 --> 01:13:39.050
all over the place where I had no clue what was

01:13:39.050 --> 01:13:42.210
happening. And it was just not good. How's Amy

01:13:42.210 --> 01:13:47.770
Adams? Amy Adams is okay. I think this whole

01:13:47.770 --> 01:13:51.970
movie has problems and Amy Adams is not the crux

01:13:51.970 --> 01:13:55.569
of them. I feel it. like she's kind of picked

01:13:55.569 --> 01:13:58.189
some bad movies to be in because she was in hillbilly

01:13:58.189 --> 01:14:01.590
elegy which is effigy no elegy elegy and that

01:14:01.590 --> 01:14:05.329
is was slammed for basically being manipulative

01:14:05.329 --> 01:14:08.130
Oscar bait and like her character is not written

01:14:08.130 --> 01:14:11.149
well and I'm starting to think that with not

01:14:11.149 --> 01:14:15.920
if not directed well or given good material It's

01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.659
funny because I think Amy Adams can be a great

01:14:18.659 --> 01:14:21.180
actress. And we've seen her do things that are

01:14:21.180 --> 01:14:23.800
amazing. She'll always be Giselle for me from

01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.939
Enchanted. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then she was in

01:14:26.939 --> 01:14:30.239
Arrival. Yeah. There's so many things that Amy

01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.880
Adams has done right. It's just I don't think

01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.460
she knows when to say no. Sure. And this movie

01:14:36.460 --> 01:14:39.460
on paper should have been better than it was.

01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:44.279
Because I think the script. could be better if

01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:46.939
doctored a bit more yeah and and what claire

01:14:46.939 --> 01:14:49.800
tells me the book is great so that that's the

01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:53.100
reason why based on a book it is based on a book

01:14:53.100 --> 01:14:55.750
yes i want to know who wrote the book uh I think

01:14:55.750 --> 01:14:58.390
it's the girl on the train. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

01:14:58.470 --> 01:15:01.329
That explains the similarities. Yeah. Don't quote

01:15:01.329 --> 01:15:03.609
me on that. I'm going to look this up because

01:15:03.609 --> 01:15:06.090
I have never seen Girl on the Train, but it's

01:15:06.090 --> 01:15:08.609
a similar deal where it's this alcoholic, former

01:15:08.609 --> 01:15:12.149
recovering alcoholic who's unreliable, sees things

01:15:12.149 --> 01:15:16.390
on her commute, and then there's another layer

01:15:16.390 --> 01:15:19.569
there. So look at this book title and tell me

01:15:19.569 --> 01:15:22.369
that's not the same. That is. Wow. A .J. Finn.

01:15:22.779 --> 01:15:25.960
It's the same person who wrote The Girl on the

01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:29.739
Train. This writer knows how to write the same

01:15:29.739 --> 01:15:33.100
story. I'm not going to say it's a bad thing

01:15:33.100 --> 01:15:37.039
or anything like that in the fact that the story

01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:39.720
is decent. I see where they were going. They

01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.039
missed a few parts where I think it was just

01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:46.060
not directed well. That's what it comes down

01:15:46.060 --> 01:15:49.680
to for me. The director is not good in my opinion.

01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:53.310
I'm looking it up. Joe White. Joe Wright. Who

01:15:53.310 --> 01:15:57.850
also has directed Filmography. Okay. He's done

01:15:57.850 --> 01:16:00.670
20 films. Okay. The Window, Darkest Hour, Black

01:16:00.670 --> 01:16:03.510
Mirror. Which episode of Black Mirror? Oh, he

01:16:03.510 --> 01:16:06.869
directed Pan. Okay. I don't remember that. Anna

01:16:06.869 --> 01:16:09.750
Karenina, which, from 2012, which I heard was

01:16:09.750 --> 01:16:13.430
very good. Okay. The Soloist, Atonement. So,

01:16:13.510 --> 01:16:16.500
all right. Pride and Prejudice? This person can

01:16:16.500 --> 01:16:19.779
direct films, just not thrillers. Maybe that's

01:16:19.779 --> 01:16:21.579
it. Yes. All right. Maybe that's the reason.

01:16:21.579 --> 01:16:25.180
They tried to do something out of the box or

01:16:25.180 --> 01:16:27.479
something like that where it just didn't work.

01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:32.640
So while I will say Woman in the Window is serviceable,

01:16:32.739 --> 01:16:37.159
you can be all right with putting it on, maybe

01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:42.319
after a few glasses of wine. Good taste. I will

01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.279
say hashtag trash. I will put it in the trash

01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:49.680
pile. Even for Wyatt Russell? Wyatt Russell was

01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:51.579
probably the best character of the whole thing.

01:16:51.859 --> 01:16:53.819
I think you might be a little biased, but...

01:16:53.819 --> 01:16:56.180
No, no, no. No, I actually am not. Because the

01:16:56.180 --> 01:16:59.739
reason I'm saying this is when Claire learned

01:16:59.739 --> 01:17:01.939
that Wyatt Russell was the character he was,

01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:06.539
because, again, she's read the book. When she

01:17:06.539 --> 01:17:08.640
learned that he was playing that character, she's

01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.720
like, this is an amazing fit for him. Ah, okay,

01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:15.760
gotcha. I mean, he is Captain America. He's Captain

01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:20.500
America. Oh my gosh. No, he is U .S. Agent. Now

01:17:20.500 --> 01:17:24.140
he's U .S. Agent. Andre, what do you got for

01:17:24.140 --> 01:17:27.279
the Catcher Trash? Okay, so because I just talked

01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.239
your guys' ear off about a very bad video game

01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:31.239
adaptation, I want to talk to you guys about

01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:34.760
the best video game adaptation, I think, at this

01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:36.449
point. If you don't count Wreck -It Ralph. I

01:17:36.449 --> 01:17:37.930
was going to say Mortal Kombat was pretty...

01:17:37.930 --> 01:17:39.430
The new one was pretty good. I would put it above

01:17:39.430 --> 01:17:41.270
that. I think the original is also a pretty good

01:17:41.270 --> 01:17:43.409
adaptation of Mortal Kombat. Yeah, sure, sure.

01:17:43.449 --> 01:17:44.989
Okay, that's probably... We can talk movies,

01:17:45.069 --> 01:17:47.329
yeah. But this is a... How about a series or

01:17:47.329 --> 01:17:49.569
whatever? I think... I cannot think of another

01:17:49.569 --> 01:17:52.250
option right now. I would put this... Okay. I

01:17:52.250 --> 01:17:54.789
would call this an actual good series, not schlocky

01:17:54.789 --> 01:17:57.210
good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. A video

01:17:57.210 --> 01:18:00.210
game. Yes. A TV series and a video game. Yes.

01:18:00.229 --> 01:18:03.060
And that is... Castlevania, the Netflix series,

01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:06.539
which just had its fourth and final season premiere.

01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.300
Although they say that apparently they're working

01:18:09.300 --> 01:18:11.539
on a spinoff series, which for Castlevania, that's

01:18:11.539 --> 01:18:14.500
very on -brand. Yeah. One chapter ends, another

01:18:14.500 --> 01:18:17.340
begins. Yes. There are so many goddamn Belmonts.

01:18:17.340 --> 01:18:19.720
There are so many spinoffs. Whatever. Anyways.

01:18:19.819 --> 01:18:22.520
Dracula's. So, yeah. Released by Graham McTavish,

01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:24.340
if you want a Hobbit connection. Oh, there you

01:18:24.340 --> 01:18:27.039
go. Graham McTavish. Yes. And Richard Arm - Our

01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.960
favorite hot dwarf. Yeah, he voices Trevor Belmont.

01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.500
Sorry, I was talking about Grant McTavish, who's

01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:35.899
the guy from Outlander. Yeah. But more specifically.

01:18:35.899 --> 01:18:38.399
He's in Outlander? Yeah. Like the TV show? Yeah.

01:18:38.460 --> 01:18:41.560
Oh, he's the hot guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then

01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:45.159
he's in, there's another show that is kind of

01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:47.859
similar to Outlander, but not really. It's called

01:18:47.859 --> 01:18:50.819
Men in Kilts. That sounds better. Oh, okay. Sam.

01:18:51.220 --> 01:18:52.399
I haven't seen it, but I didn't know he was in

01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:54.100
it. I think there's another Hobbit alum in there.

01:18:54.720 --> 01:19:02.960
So Men in Kilts. is a show with Sam Hugon? Hugon?

01:19:03.100 --> 01:19:05.560
Hugon, yeah, and Graham McTavish. They both are

01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:08.319
on Outlander. Oh, the comedian. Yeah, yeah. They're

01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:12.140
both on Outlander, and they take a road trip

01:19:12.140 --> 01:19:14.739
to Scotland, and each episode deals with a different

01:19:14.739 --> 01:19:16.960
thing of Scotland's past, like sports, music,

01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:23.000
whiskey, of course, dancing, there's the ghost

01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.720
stories, everything like that. I love Men in

01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:27.119
Kilts. I want to watch that. So Graham and Tavish

01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:29.460
is awesome. They basically just rent an RV and

01:19:29.460 --> 01:19:31.479
drive together everywhere through Scotland. I

01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:33.640
could just hear Graham and Tavish talk for hours.

01:19:33.659 --> 01:19:36.300
You'd love it. You'd absolutely love it. They're

01:19:36.300 --> 01:19:39.500
goofy. They're fun. You'd love it. I'm down.

01:19:39.619 --> 01:19:42.859
It's on Hulu. I have access to Hulu again. Yes,

01:19:42.859 --> 01:19:46.380
it is on Hulu. The episodes air on Starz and

01:19:46.380 --> 01:19:48.020
then after a week it's on Hulu. Oh, excellent.

01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:50.460
And I think they just finished the entire first

01:19:50.460 --> 01:19:53.579
season. That is another... cash for me sorry

01:19:53.579 --> 01:19:56.920
keep going it is okay we're i love tangents um

01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.420
castlevania four seasons the fourth one just

01:19:59.420 --> 01:20:01.739
came out um if you're not familiar with it at

01:20:01.739 --> 01:20:03.539
all it's based on a series of video games that

01:20:03.539 --> 01:20:05.760
started back like it was one of the old school

01:20:06.470 --> 01:20:09.689
Old school. Late 80s. Late 80s Nintendo Entertainment

01:20:09.689 --> 01:20:12.569
System old school hard ass games. It's basically

01:20:12.569 --> 01:20:16.189
you are the game you play as a vampire hunter

01:20:16.189 --> 01:20:18.850
who goes into Dracula's castle to fight Dracula

01:20:18.850 --> 01:20:21.369
and it's hard as balls. It's really really good.

01:20:21.529 --> 01:20:24.689
A huge influence on the Dark Souls series. It's

01:20:24.689 --> 01:20:27.310
created a genre of games. Yeah it's a Castlevania

01:20:27.310 --> 01:20:29.510
part. Metroidvania. Metroidvania. It's thevania

01:20:29.510 --> 01:20:34.390
of Metroidvania. Right. So huge. Okay. So just

01:20:34.390 --> 01:20:37.779
cause I'm spacing it out. I think I'm right.

01:20:37.859 --> 01:20:40.039
It's this series. I just don't know what game

01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:42.800
it is. Okay. When you beat Symphony of the Night,

01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:44.739
it flips upside down. That is Symphony of the

01:20:44.739 --> 01:20:46.739
Night. Yes, yes, yes. I love that. The Symphony

01:20:46.739 --> 01:20:49.619
of the Night, you play as Dracula's son, Alucard,

01:20:49.779 --> 01:20:53.180
which is Dracula spelled backwards. And yeah,

01:20:53.220 --> 01:20:54.960
you go through the whole entire game. They get

01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:57.399
that from one of the classic movies. You are

01:20:57.399 --> 01:20:59.579
aware of that. Yes, yes, yes. Oh yeah, they do.

01:21:00.100 --> 01:21:03.159
Anyways, you think you beat the game and then

01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:05.279
you have to go through the type thing upside

01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:07.439
down again. Oh, classic game. Still holds up

01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:10.180
to this day. So good. Anyways. The Netflix show

01:21:10.180 --> 01:21:12.579
actually treats the source material with a lot

01:21:12.579 --> 01:21:15.020
of respect, but crucially, you do not need to

01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:17.520
know anything about Castlevania's lore or anything

01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.439
at all. I think it's a fantastic watch if you're

01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:24.020
into gothic horror, if you're into Dracula vampire

01:21:24.020 --> 01:21:27.140
lore at all. If you have no problem with adult

01:21:27.140 --> 01:21:28.539
animation. Yeah, if you have no problem with

01:21:28.539 --> 01:21:30.039
adult animation. If you listen to our show because

01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.140
of Vampire Boys, you are in. Yes, right. Yes.

01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:36.199
Yes, because this also has hot Vampire Boys in

01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:39.039
it. It does have hot Vampire Boys. Yeah. Do I

01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:40.840
need to pop the top off again? Is that what's

01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:42.060
happening? I don't know if you want to pop the

01:21:42.060 --> 01:21:45.079
top off. There will be plenty of tops popped

01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:51.090
off. Some things go pop off. And, like, my biggest

01:21:51.090 --> 01:21:52.550
problem with that show when it first came out

01:21:52.550 --> 01:21:54.510
was that the first season very much felt like

01:21:54.510 --> 01:21:56.930
a test run. Only four episodes, and it very much

01:21:56.930 --> 01:21:58.869
felt like a prologue. I feel like they should

01:21:58.869 --> 01:22:00.569
have just released it as a movie, honestly, because

01:22:00.569 --> 01:22:02.229
it felt like a prologue. It is basically a prologue.

01:22:02.229 --> 01:22:05.010
It's basically a movie split into four acts.

01:22:05.170 --> 01:22:07.970
Okay. But now that the whole entire story is

01:22:07.970 --> 01:22:11.800
complete, I mean... Honestly, season two of Castlevania

01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:14.020
is like... That's amazing. That is just such

01:22:14.020 --> 01:22:16.460
an amazing payoff. Really, really good. Three

01:22:16.460 --> 01:22:20.260
is not... It's slower. It's slower -paced, but

01:22:20.260 --> 01:22:23.279
it's setting up for... Which we haven't seen

01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.479
yet, but we're excited to. Either way, at the

01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.880
very least, those first two seasons, I... an

01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.319
excellent show that's also not super long like

01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:34.579
if that you could probably knock it out in a

01:22:34.579 --> 01:22:35.819
weekend if you really tried to yeah most episodes

01:22:35.819 --> 01:22:39.039
are about 20 somewhere between like the 23 25

01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:42.899
to like 38 minute length yes okay smart smart

01:22:42.899 --> 01:22:46.159
adult dialogue direction just great action great

01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:48.939
action scenes uh and the characters are super

01:22:48.939 --> 01:22:50.739
compelling too we might be frustrated with some

01:22:50.739 --> 01:22:53.770
of them but i'm frustrated one very much one

01:22:53.770 --> 01:22:56.250
in particular he brought it upon himself yes

01:22:56.250 --> 01:22:59.149
but we're still engaged with that story as a

01:22:59.149 --> 01:23:01.710
whole okay fair as long as you're okay with like

01:23:01.710 --> 01:23:03.810
adult animation like honestly like we mentioned

01:23:03.810 --> 01:23:05.890
before like Invincible that's actually probably

01:23:05.890 --> 01:23:07.710
a great follow up honestly if you are wanting

01:23:07.710 --> 01:23:10.130
more from Invincible if you like the fact that

01:23:10.130 --> 01:23:12.909
if you liked the gore from it maybe check out

01:23:12.909 --> 01:23:15.789
Castlevania as well you know anyways so very

01:23:15.789 --> 01:23:18.409
much cash yeah hard cash looking forward to more

01:23:18.409 --> 01:23:20.770
and then shout outs to the showrunner let me

01:23:20.770 --> 01:23:22.810
make sure I have his name Audie Shing car uh

01:23:22.810 --> 01:23:25.210
he's the showrunner he's like a huge nerd but

01:23:25.210 --> 01:23:27.229
he's basically the one that kind of pushed netflix

01:23:27.229 --> 01:23:29.289
to kind of do this and he also got the keys to

01:23:29.289 --> 01:23:32.189
a devil may cry adaptation on netflix as well

01:23:32.189 --> 01:23:34.729
which i'm very excited for i'm pretty sure it's

01:23:34.729 --> 01:23:37.229
live action but i don't know anyways yeah excited

01:23:37.229 --> 01:23:40.770
so yeah well that was cash or trash thank you

01:23:40.770 --> 01:23:42.489
guys for tuning in to game for a movie where

01:23:42.489 --> 01:23:44.810
we ask are you game for a movie i've been your

01:23:44.810 --> 01:23:48.470
host mike joined by andre and jill thank you

01:23:48.470 --> 01:23:50.250
very much we'll see you next time guys thanks

01:23:50.250 --> 01:23:51.859
for listening bye Bye.