WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.280 You know what that sound means? It's another 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:03.399 episode of Game for a Movie where we ask, are 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:05.280 you game for a movie? My name is Mike. I will 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:08.019 be your host tonight. Today we have a very special 00:00:08.019 --> 00:00:10.019 guest. I'm going to make sure I get this all 00:00:10.019 --> 00:00:12.140 correct because you deserve all of the respect 00:00:12.140 --> 00:00:15.740 on this. So we've got copywriter, publicist, 00:00:15.779 --> 00:00:18.699 author, co -creator of the Golden Raspberry Awards, 00:00:18.980 --> 00:00:22.219 also known as the Razzies, and my personal king 00:00:22.219 --> 00:00:26.800 of bad movies, Mr. John Wilson. Hello, may I 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.420 greet you with the sound our award is named after? 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:37.079 Oh, yes, please. I love it. So I've told you 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:40.119 before, as a podcast about bad movies, we love 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.340 the Razzie Awards. I compiled a list of some 00:00:43.340 --> 00:00:45.039 of the movies we've actually talked about that 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:48.359 have won before or at least been nominated. Some 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.240 of my favorites, I'm just going to make it a 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.159 smaller list because there's a bunch that we've 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:58.219 covered. Holmes and Watson, Speed 2, Alone in 00:00:58.219 --> 00:01:01.899 the Dark. Bratz on All About Steve was one of 00:01:01.899 --> 00:01:05.439 my favorite episodes because of how Sandra Bullock 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:09.680 showed up. Yeah, I have a funny anecdote about 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:13.540 that. I saw it on a bargain matinee. Okay. And 00:01:13.540 --> 00:01:16.260 there's a scene in the movie where she's on a 00:01:16.260 --> 00:01:19.840 bus and she won't stop talking. And the bus driver 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.200 votes her off and they throw her out on her butt 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.379 in the dust. The audience burst into applause. 00:01:29.230 --> 00:01:31.629 indicated i was not alone in my opinion of her 00:01:31.629 --> 00:01:34.069 performance i i think you were yeah i think you 00:01:34.069 --> 00:01:37.090 were with them on that one i remember seeing 00:01:37.090 --> 00:01:39.230 that one alone i wish i kind of had the theater 00:01:39.230 --> 00:01:41.069 experience for that because it sounds like it 00:01:41.069 --> 00:01:45.969 would have been more of my alley uh well i appreciate 00:01:45.969 --> 00:01:47.930 you taking the time i know this is the busy part 00:01:47.930 --> 00:01:51.530 of your season and i just want to go into a little 00:01:51.530 --> 00:01:54.609 bit about the razzies themselves a lot of people 00:01:54.609 --> 00:01:57.590 think that the razzies uh are kind of recent 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:01.120 I know that I didn't know how long you guys have 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.659 been going and everything like that. So this 00:02:03.659 --> 00:02:08.099 started when exactly? Well, if you're my age, 00:02:08.139 --> 00:02:11.400 you'll remember this. The very first Razzies 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:15.199 were held on an Oscar night in my living room 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:18.219 alcove with a cardboard podium. And it was the 00:02:18.219 --> 00:02:20.719 year Ronald Reagan was shot and they postponed 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.780 the Oscars for only the second or third time 00:02:23.780 --> 00:02:26.939 in history. And so all of the programs we had 00:02:26.939 --> 00:02:31.080 printed are wrong. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. In our 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.500 archive, we may go in with a red marker someday. 00:02:34.460 --> 00:02:41.520 But it came about that year because I was working 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:46.080 at a trailer company. And I also volunteered, 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:50.199 quote unquote, to deal with a film festival that 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:54.400 my employer sponsored. Okay. And the deal I made 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.830 was I will do all of this work, but I get. second 00:02:57.830 --> 00:03:01.610 dibs on the tickets the boss is choice first 00:03:01.610 --> 00:03:06.110 obviously yeah funny but i and i kept a list 00:03:06.110 --> 00:03:09.229 i used to do that when i was in film school and 00:03:09.229 --> 00:03:14.689 by actual count i saw about 250 films that year 00:03:14.689 --> 00:03:19.680 god And when you see that many, you begin to 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.780 realize, you know what? The odds don't really 00:03:22.780 --> 00:03:26.139 favor what the Oscars are talking about. And 00:03:26.139 --> 00:03:30.699 in 1980, there wasn't anything at all known that 00:03:30.699 --> 00:03:33.460 was doing what we've been doing for 45 years 00:03:33.460 --> 00:03:38.419 now. And the other thing that tipped the iceberg 00:03:38.419 --> 00:03:44.069 was I went to a 99 cent double feature. of Can't 00:03:44.069 --> 00:03:46.569 Stop the Music with the Village People and Olivia 00:03:46.569 --> 00:03:51.550 Newton -John in Xanadu. And they would not give 00:03:51.550 --> 00:03:55.610 me my 99 cents back. See, the only one I've got 00:03:55.610 --> 00:03:58.310 of that is Battle of Los Angeles. I saw it at 00:03:58.310 --> 00:04:00.610 a dollar theater and I wanted my dollar back. 00:04:01.090 --> 00:04:05.719 Yeah. And not that I think those are both in 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:07.800 ways they weren't meant to be. Those are both 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.860 very entertaining bad movies, but they're really 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:15.659 bad movies. And yeah, I remember driving home. 00:04:15.740 --> 00:04:18.279 It was August. I had my windows down because 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.019 it was warm. And as I'm driving, I'm thinking, 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.339 well, you know, there should be an award for 00:04:23.339 --> 00:04:25.879 stuff like this. And off the top of my head, 00:04:25.939 --> 00:04:29.040 I could name about a dozen movies that would 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.160 be contenders. And I just spent the next, this 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:36.459 was in August of 1980, and I spent the next few 00:04:36.459 --> 00:04:38.800 weeks doing some research. And that's when I 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:41.300 discovered, I think, Rotten Tomatoes. I don't 00:04:41.300 --> 00:04:44.980 remember if it was new or just wasn't known yet. 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.899 But yeah, the first year, it was mostly people 00:04:48.899 --> 00:04:52.129 I worked with at the trailer company. It was 00:04:52.129 --> 00:04:59.810 very let's put on a show kids kind of endearingly 00:04:59.810 --> 00:05:06.670 inept. And then I handed out ballots at work 00:05:06.670 --> 00:05:09.009 and my boss saw one and got very mad because 00:05:09.009 --> 00:05:12.689 we had worked on several of the ballots. Yeah, 00:05:12.769 --> 00:05:17.769 that might be bad. But Can't Stop the Music ended 00:05:17.769 --> 00:05:20.370 up winning picture and screenplay. Xanadu won 00:05:20.370 --> 00:05:24.930 worst director. Neil Diamond, who was only in 00:05:24.930 --> 00:05:27.509 one movie that I know of. Yeah, right. Really 00:05:27.509 --> 00:05:29.930 dated remake of the jazz singer. He won worst 00:05:29.930 --> 00:05:32.029 actor. And I believe it was Brooke Shields in 00:05:32.029 --> 00:05:34.610 Blue Lagoon. I'm pretty sure you're right. I 00:05:34.610 --> 00:05:37.089 have pulled up the list you sent me on IMDb. 00:05:37.230 --> 00:05:40.389 Yes, Neil Diamond, jazz singer. And then, yes, 00:05:40.529 --> 00:05:43.779 Brooke Shields in Blue Lagoon. Look at you. Well, 00:05:43.819 --> 00:05:47.379 if anybody should know it, I should. It's still 00:05:47.379 --> 00:05:49.139 I mean, it's a lot of history to go through. 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.199 And the fact that you can remember that is is 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:56.920 impressive as hell. I'm not that old. I didn't 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:04.220 say that. I don't have Alzheimer's. So we have 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:07.199 a friend podcast with us and I was going to save 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.899 this until later, but. He wanted me to make sure 00:06:10.899 --> 00:06:14.839 you knew that he does not agree with Xanadu being 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:21.600 a bad film. And he and he alone will stand up 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.120 for that. Actually, years ago, we had a very 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.839 adamant Razzie member who was fixated on that 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:33.199 movie. And he went every night when they made 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.800 a stage musical of it, which opened here in L 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.040 .A. and then moved to New York. Okay. And yes, 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.959 every time we brought it up, he was like, Olivia 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:44.120 Newton -John is just so beautiful. And it's like, 00:06:44.220 --> 00:06:48.240 uh -huh. I mean, you can be beautiful and be 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.019 in a bad movie. Like, that's not mutually exclusive. 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:55.199 Well, you know, the soundtrack apparently sold 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.259 very well. Okay. At some point when I bought 00:06:58.259 --> 00:07:01.480 a DVD of it, I think it came with a CD of... 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.240 The soundtrack. And the songs are not that awful, 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.319 except for the one that was nominated. I think 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.220 it was called Suspended in Time. Suspended in 00:07:10.220 --> 00:07:15.500 Time. Okay. But, yeah, I mean, I just don't, 00:07:15.500 --> 00:07:20.160 I'm not saying you have to agree with us, but 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:25.060 I would guess 97 % or more of the Earth's population. 00:07:25.850 --> 00:07:28.069 made to sit through that movie would probably 00:07:28.069 --> 00:07:32.410 come to the same conclusion and i love it i mean 00:07:32.410 --> 00:07:35.389 in the official razzie movie guide i listed it 00:07:35.389 --> 00:07:38.290 as one of the 10 most enjoyable bad movies of 00:07:38.290 --> 00:07:41.310 all time i mean it's entertaining as hell but 00:07:41.310 --> 00:07:45.089 i don't think you're supposed to be cringing 00:07:45.089 --> 00:07:50.410 and laughing and groaning as much as and every 00:07:50.410 --> 00:07:53.850 time i've ever seen it with When we got to, I 00:07:53.850 --> 00:07:56.009 think it was our 20th year, we did a whole series 00:07:56.009 --> 00:07:58.529 of screenings because we were doing awards for 00:07:58.529 --> 00:08:03.649 the worst of the century. I think the one that 00:08:03.649 --> 00:08:11.389 played the best was Showgirls. Again, I can't 00:08:11.389 --> 00:08:15.209 understand how Paul Verhoeven Thought that was 00:08:15.209 --> 00:08:18.769 a serious film. If you're going to go for a bad 00:08:18.769 --> 00:08:20.709 film, at least make it entertaining, like go 00:08:20.709 --> 00:08:24.170 for gold, you know? Well, and one of my favorite 00:08:24.170 --> 00:08:26.310 things to recommend, if you're going to watch 00:08:26.310 --> 00:08:29.430 Showgirls, turn on the closed captioning. Okay. 00:08:29.730 --> 00:08:31.509 Because you're not going to believe they're saying 00:08:31.509 --> 00:08:33.570 what you're hearing, but there it is right across 00:08:33.570 --> 00:08:35.990 the screen. Must be weird not having anybody 00:08:35.990 --> 00:08:41.860 come on you. uh yeah okay that's that's definitely 00:08:41.860 --> 00:08:44.460 that's the way i need to watch showgirls now 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:50.220 yep oh my gosh is there any that uh so because 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:52.899 the process is that they get nominations everything 00:08:52.899 --> 00:08:55.320 like that is there any that you have disagreed 00:08:55.320 --> 00:09:01.500 with to be nominated um i occasionally disagree 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:04.879 with which one they pick to be the winner okay 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:10.049 but i almost never um disagree with what ends 00:09:10.049 --> 00:09:15.389 up getting nominated okay um and there there 00:09:15.389 --> 00:09:18.710 have been times when i like when battlefield 00:09:18.710 --> 00:09:22.730 earth which is another you know amazingly bad 00:09:22.730 --> 00:09:26.889 movie um when that swept everything i could tell 00:09:26.889 --> 00:09:29.309 when the ballot started it was getting like 93 00:09:29.309 --> 00:09:32.850 percent of all the votes yeah i felt free to 00:09:32.850 --> 00:09:35.129 vote for the one that i actually loathed that 00:09:35.129 --> 00:09:37.450 year which i think it was called little nicky 00:09:37.899 --> 00:09:41.179 Oh, little Nikki. Okay. Yeah. Satan's kid. Yeah. 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.240 And when I saw that, there was a couple there 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.279 with their nine -year -old child. And I just 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:51.039 thought, this is child abuse. Why are you, I 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.620 almost went up to them and said, get that kid 00:09:53.620 --> 00:09:56.240 out of here. Right. Yeah. But it's Adam Sandler. 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.480 Like it's, it's made for kids, right? Oh yeah. 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.179 I actually thought he was fairly funny on the. 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.980 50th anniversary thing last night. He put in 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:09.480 some effort into that song, which usually is 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.440 not true of Adam Sandler. Unfortunately, I didn't 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.840 watch it because I was busy watching Unfrosted 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:19.960 last night. Oh, you didn't tape it? You didn't 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:22.340 record it? I recorded it. Yeah, it's on Peacock. 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:26.480 The plan is tonight to, if I don't find a way 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.139 to watch Reagan tonight, I'm going to... I think 00:10:31.139 --> 00:10:33.460 Reagan is on a bunch of different streaming services. 00:10:33.659 --> 00:10:36.860 So I couldn't find it. I would hope it would 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:38.580 be because that would make it a lot easier on 00:10:38.580 --> 00:10:41.019 me. There's a thing that I like a lot called 00:10:41.019 --> 00:10:46.000 Row 8. Okay, Row 8. And they usually have pretty 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.960 good prices and you don't have to subscribe. 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.460 You pay individually for what you're watching. 00:10:50.830 --> 00:10:52.549 Okay, I will definitely look into that. And I 00:10:52.549 --> 00:10:55.309 think that was where I sat through that. Perfect. 00:10:55.350 --> 00:10:58.610 That's what I will do tonight then. After watching 00:10:58.610 --> 00:11:02.250 the 50th anniversary, of course. Yes. Good stuff 00:11:02.250 --> 00:11:04.710 first. Yeah, good stuff first. Get in the right 00:11:04.710 --> 00:11:08.110 frame of mind, you know, and maybe enjoy an adult 00:11:08.110 --> 00:11:11.700 beverage before I start Reagan. So some of these 00:11:11.700 --> 00:11:14.080 movies that have won have gone on to become cult 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:17.419 classics. Do you feel that validates you, or 00:11:17.419 --> 00:11:20.600 does it take away from? So my example is Howard 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.580 the Duck. People love Howard the Duck, even though 00:11:24.580 --> 00:11:27.740 it's awful. I've seen it. I do not care for it. 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.700 I don't love it like some people love it. I personally 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:32.899 found that movie excruciating. Yeah, that was 00:11:32.899 --> 00:11:38.080 a lot. Now, it was before CGI existed. Yeah, 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:41.289 right. but the duck is just a guy and you know 00:11:41.289 --> 00:11:43.570 it's like the guy playing donald duck at disneyland 00:11:43.570 --> 00:11:46.190 he's in a rubber suit how is that a special effect 00:11:46.190 --> 00:11:54.250 um yeah and it just that one on financial standards 00:11:54.250 --> 00:11:56.990 alone that was one of the you know and i'm i 00:11:56.990 --> 00:12:00.250 want to say it had either george lucas or steven 00:12:00.250 --> 00:12:02.690 spielberg's name on it i think it was it was 00:12:02.690 --> 00:12:07.190 lucas yes yeah yeah and back then you know they 00:12:07.190 --> 00:12:10.759 were even bigger than they are now lucas has 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.759 kind of i thought it was odd the way he walked 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.120 away from everything and sold out to disney but 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:22.659 yeah um yeah when it's painful to sit through 00:12:22.659 --> 00:12:27.200 um which i found that movie to be and isn't it 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.799 leah leah thompson yes she's actually considering 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.080 she's got a sex scene with a guy in a rubber 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.960 duck suit She saw the script and she said, yes. 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.220 Yes. That's one of my, yeah. When people say, 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.639 well, she wasn't then it's like they read the 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.460 script and agreed to do it. Yeah. Is it them 00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:50.840 or their manager who has no standards? And especially 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.440 when it's somebody like the only person I can 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.299 think of who probably will never be a Razzie 00:12:55.299 --> 00:12:59.340 nominee is Meryl Streep. Yes. Probably. Most 00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:02.379 likely. And she's especially funny in the Saturday 00:13:02.379 --> 00:13:04.360 night live thing. I don't want to. ruin anything 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:08.100 for you it has the best line in the entire three 00:13:08.100 --> 00:13:11.899 and a half hours but yeah if they're a reputable 00:13:11.899 --> 00:13:16.399 actor like the very first year Alec Guinness 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.139 was in a thing called Raise the Titanic which 00:13:20.139 --> 00:13:23.799 is another one of the most boring movies I've 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:29.419 ever seen but you know to me Alec Guinness is 00:13:29.419 --> 00:13:31.960 one of my heroes I think he's one of the finest 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.940 actors who ever lived What the heck are you doing 00:13:34.940 --> 00:13:38.080 in that? Now, he did at one point, he has pointed 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.659 out the most he was ever paid was when he agreed 00:13:41.659 --> 00:13:47.019 to do Obi -Wan Kenobi. And he said the original 00:13:47.019 --> 00:13:50.120 deal didn't give him a percentage. But Lucas 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.039 came to him after it took off and said, you know, 00:13:53.059 --> 00:13:55.779 I certainly can afford to do this. And he said, 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.360 you know, it was millions and millions of dollars. 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.720 And he's actually, you know, he's... credible 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:08.340 at least as oh definitely no i i that is even 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:11.240 growing up around the time of like the prequels 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.240 and sequels and stuff like that alec guinness 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:14.779 is the first one that pops in my head when i 00:14:14.779 --> 00:14:20.580 think obi -wan oh yeah so uh where was i gonna 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:22.980 go with this next question i had one oh i was 00:14:22.980 --> 00:14:25.340 gonna say how i'm looking at the first year and 00:14:25.340 --> 00:14:26.860 everything like that and looking at some of the 00:14:26.860 --> 00:14:29.360 nominees still and you're exactly right about 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.070 like reputable names the Best Actor category 00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:35.669 alone has Michael Caine, Kirk Douglas, Richard 00:14:35.669 --> 00:14:40.029 Dreyfuss, and Anthony Hopkins. Yeah. And that 00:14:40.029 --> 00:14:44.549 first year, we did 10 nominees in the top categories. 00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:47.789 And we realized, well, if you don't... Back then, 00:14:47.809 --> 00:14:51.090 we had like 40 or 50 people voting. Yeah. If 00:14:51.090 --> 00:14:55.350 you don't have a huge voter base, it doesn't 00:14:55.350 --> 00:14:57.389 really mean anything if something, you know... 00:14:57.389 --> 00:14:59.629 If they win by three votes because they got... 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:04.649 12 votes. Now, that year I knew that most of 00:15:04.649 --> 00:15:06.330 the people had seen the stuff because, like I 00:15:06.330 --> 00:15:10.009 said, a lot of it, Kaleidoscope, it was the company 00:15:10.009 --> 00:15:12.830 I worked for at the time, they had done the campaigns. 00:15:13.149 --> 00:15:17.090 We had to sit through dailies of the concert 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:20.389 scene where Neil Diamond is doing We're Coming 00:15:20.389 --> 00:15:24.929 to America. We heard that song about 17 times. 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:34.460 I've lost my train of thought. It happens to 00:15:34.460 --> 00:15:40.279 the best of us, trust me. Yeah, and then being 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:43.600 an established name actually I think may put 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.120 you at greater risk of being a Razzie contender 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.559 because there are expectations and reputations 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:57.620 that... The audience goes in thinking, you know, 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.059 you're Kirk Douglas for God's sake. Right. I 00:16:00.059 --> 00:16:02.639 would be curious if you've ever seen Saturn three, 00:16:02.779 --> 00:16:06.139 which I have not seen Saturn three. No. He co 00:16:06.139 --> 00:16:08.519 -starred with Farrah Fawcett in there. Okay. 00:16:09.019 --> 00:16:11.539 I know those names. Both of those names. Yeah. 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:15.759 Yeah. And I'm pretty sure it didn't win anything, 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.639 but yeah, there were just, you know, in any given 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:23.220 year, there really are. If you spend the time 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:27.600 to research it. there are on average 60 or more 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.080 pictures that you could make a case for should 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.639 be Razzie contenders. Oh, definitely. I do find 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.679 it is complicated sometimes. Yeah. Right. I do 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:43.039 find that a lot of these movies sometimes, are 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:45.320 they necessarily the worst of the worst? Or do 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:47.500 you feel like there's a disappointment factor? 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:52.860 Like I'll say this year, even though I do not 00:16:52.860 --> 00:16:56.529 care for the movie, joaquin phoenix was pretty 00:16:56.529 --> 00:17:01.870 decent at least in joker uh joker 2 and so i 00:17:01.870 --> 00:17:03.809 wonder is it just more so like the disappointment 00:17:03.809 --> 00:17:06.630 because of how the first one went and that's 00:17:06.630 --> 00:17:10.849 why he's nominated well i did some research because 00:17:10.849 --> 00:17:14.269 it's in i think six or seven categories this 00:17:14.269 --> 00:17:19.650 year yeah um the guy who co -wrote and directed 00:17:19.650 --> 00:17:23.819 it todd phillips he didn't want to do a sequel 00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:26.660 he didn't think there should be a sequel right 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:30.160 and so i kind every once in a while somebody 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.819 tries to come up with something so awful it shouldn't 00:17:33.819 --> 00:17:37.279 get made yeah but you know it's like bill cosby 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.680 with leonard part six that's what i think was 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:44.279 going on with that movie yeah and i think it 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:48.630 shows you know i mean Who in their right mind 00:17:48.630 --> 00:17:52.670 would make a sequel to Joker a musical? Yeah, 00:17:52.750 --> 00:17:56.410 right. If you're going to do that, go for it. 00:17:56.430 --> 00:18:00.869 Do legitimate choreography, great production 00:18:00.869 --> 00:18:05.250 values, well -paced editing. Not this nonchalant 00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:07.490 just singing in this movie. This thing is like 00:18:07.490 --> 00:18:11.500 a prison movie set to music. Right. there's a 00:18:11.500 --> 00:18:13.859 reason there has rarely been anything like that 00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:16.980 yeah the only one that comes to mind is prisoners 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:23.539 of love from the producers oh my god um yeah 00:18:23.539 --> 00:18:27.680 and it just and again if if you're going to go 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:32.319 there go balls to the wall don't do half -assed 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:37.480 which i very strongly feel jokers joker folie 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:44.069 do i think it sounds it didn't commit to what 00:18:44.069 --> 00:18:48.769 it was it was promising to be something spectacularly 00:18:48.769 --> 00:18:54.410 off yeah and i agree with that because i i definitely 00:18:54.410 --> 00:18:57.109 have it like like i said i don't know if joaquin 00:18:57.109 --> 00:19:01.369 phoenix was the bad in this but the screenplay 00:19:01.369 --> 00:19:03.849 is terrible i can definitely see why that was 00:19:03.849 --> 00:19:09.849 nominated for that and it's um The other thing 00:19:09.849 --> 00:19:13.710 is it's often the case that somebody wins an 00:19:13.710 --> 00:19:16.369 Oscar for something and then the next thing they 00:19:16.369 --> 00:19:20.150 do, you know, it's like you could have done anything. 00:19:20.230 --> 00:19:22.890 Why did you pick that? Like early on in the year, 00:19:23.009 --> 00:19:25.809 I honestly thought Jamie Lee Curtis had chosen 00:19:25.809 --> 00:19:29.349 to do Borderlands after winning the Oscar. Yeah, 00:19:29.390 --> 00:19:31.869 right. Everything, everywhere, all at once. No, 00:19:32.049 --> 00:19:34.250 it was actually somewhere I read it might be 00:19:34.250 --> 00:19:37.279 as much as. four or five years ago they made 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:39.440 it and they finally had the nerve to sneak it 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.720 out it's been sitting on the shelf yeah exactly 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.700 that one yeah it's very obvious that it was sitting 00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:46.559 on the shelf for a little bit when you actually 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.279 see it yep um it goes back to like sandra bullock 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:54.220 for example who this same weekend won for all 00:19:54.220 --> 00:19:56.500 about steve and then won for the blind side like 00:19:56.500 --> 00:20:00.180 it's i i found that year fascinating in that 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:02.339 aspect uh obviously that was a big one that stuck 00:20:02.339 --> 00:20:05.339 in me She also had a third movie that year that 00:20:05.339 --> 00:20:07.880 was a hit. She was with, I think it was Ryan 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.319 Reynolds in, I think it was called The Proposal. 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.059 That is the best rom -com of all time. Yeah. 00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:15.599 That was actually a fairly funny movie and their 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:17.940 chemistry was good, but. Oh, I love that movie. 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.140 Honestly, that's my favorite rom -com of all 00:20:20.140 --> 00:20:23.220 time. I forgot that was the same year. I know 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:24.960 there's probably better, but that one, for whatever 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.480 reason, it's the one that like my mom turned 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.859 on. Well, you think that I meant, it's interesting 00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:34.660 that that. That would be the one now. I'm not 00:20:34.660 --> 00:20:37.579 sure what that says. I also thought it was incredibly 00:20:37.579 --> 00:20:40.000 funny in that. Yes, I agree with that. Yeah. 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.119 But yeah, when, when somebody has a huge success 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:49.720 and they, you know, I have this theory that certain 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.960 movies only got made because someone involved 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.640 had won an Oscar. Right. Sunset Boulevard is 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:00.039 a classic. That's my favorite movie of all time. 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.109 Yeah. As a result of it. Academy and box office 00:21:04.109 --> 00:21:07.450 success, Billy Wilder got to do a very obscure 00:21:07.450 --> 00:21:12.809 but incredibly cynical movie, Kirk Douglas, called 00:21:12.809 --> 00:21:15.250 Ace in the Hole. Have you ever seen that? I have 00:21:15.250 --> 00:21:18.869 not seen that one, no. Even today, it seems cynical. 00:21:19.069 --> 00:21:24.410 It was made in 1951. It was a huge box office 00:21:24.410 --> 00:21:29.490 disaster. And then another one of my favorites, 00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:34.019 Tom Jones. I think it might have won Best Picture. 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:37.339 I'm not sure about that. The director of that 00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:41.559 got to do another of my favorite movies, a thing 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.180 called The Loved One. Have you ever seen that? 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:50.700 I've heard of that one. It's in a cemetery. It's 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:54.609 from a famous British novel. Gotcha, okay. It's 00:21:54.609 --> 00:21:57.250 so close to being accurate that Forrest Lawn 00:21:57.250 --> 00:21:59.789 sued them to try and keep it from being released. 00:22:02.490 --> 00:22:04.009 That's a good problem to have when you're so 00:22:04.009 --> 00:22:09.789 accurate, right? Yeah. Okay, so some of this 00:22:09.789 --> 00:22:13.609 year's, we'll start focusing on that a little 00:22:13.609 --> 00:22:17.230 bit. Like I said, I've watched three of the five 00:22:17.230 --> 00:22:22.609 worst nominees for Worst Picture. I saw Unfrosted. 00:22:24.129 --> 00:22:28.990 on on your mind i'm trying to think of how to 00:22:28.990 --> 00:22:32.710 phrase this question some of these movies when 00:22:32.710 --> 00:22:36.750 they get nominated um do you feel like it was 00:22:36.750 --> 00:22:39.089 always a sure thing like like borderlands for 00:22:39.089 --> 00:22:42.029 example it felt like as soon as it released it 00:22:42.029 --> 00:22:44.349 was just destined for this like even if the movie 00:22:44.349 --> 00:22:49.460 was fine well they The big one that can claim 00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:51.900 that mantle this year, because it literally came 00:22:51.900 --> 00:22:55.980 out a year ago, is Madam Web. Madam Web. Which 00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.640 immediately, when it was released, they started 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.279 talking about the Razzies and how this was the 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:06.000 frontrunner. I personally thought Madam Web was 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.740 incredibly boring. Yes, I agree. And rather pitiful. 00:23:10.569 --> 00:23:14.029 And it was so engrossing that I was reminded 00:23:14.029 --> 00:23:16.250 as I was watching it that I needed to take a 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:20.710 break to do my dishes. That's a good thing when 00:23:20.710 --> 00:23:25.990 watching a movie, right? Yeah. I don't know that 00:23:25.990 --> 00:23:29.230 that's the kind of Razzie, certainly not the 00:23:29.230 --> 00:23:31.809 kind I appreciate. I like this stuff that's just 00:23:31.809 --> 00:23:35.230 crazy mad, totally nuts. What the hell were they 00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:37.910 thinking? Which this year I would have to say 00:23:37.910 --> 00:23:42.220 is probably... even though joker 2 was close 00:23:42.220 --> 00:23:46.200 is a thing called megalopolis megalopolis they 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:50.640 went for it i have taken to calling wtf the movie 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.160 the whole time you're watching it line after 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.299 line after line you're like what the fuck did 00:23:56.299 --> 00:23:59.039 he just say what what's with the costume why 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.839 has he got you know why is john voight talking 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:07.500 about his boner i mean and and a big part of 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:11.089 that one it is francis ford coppola you know 00:24:11.089 --> 00:24:15.369 and i understand you know that he's what is he 00:24:15.369 --> 00:24:19.309 83 or something but yeah he's someone with his 00:24:19.309 --> 00:24:22.109 track record with the stuff that he's done with 00:24:22.109 --> 00:24:25.170 the credits that he has to make something like 00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:30.490 that it's like and he he couldn't understandably 00:24:30.490 --> 00:24:32.430 he couldn't find anyone to finance it for him 00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:35.150 so he he put all his own money into it which 00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:38.059 makes its failure even more personally devastating 00:24:38.059 --> 00:24:42.440 to him right oh definitely um i i feel like the 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:44.599 movies lately that we've we've heard of that 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.759 are actors directors putting in their own money 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:50.880 have not gone well because there's that i was 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:52.900 thinking of and then the horizon movies with 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:57.339 kevin costner like when when you can't find people 00:24:57.339 --> 00:25:00.539 to put in money for it maybe that's a sign sometimes 00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:03.619 the money people do know what they're talking 00:25:03.619 --> 00:25:07.670 about Not always. Not even most of the time. 00:25:07.750 --> 00:25:15.670 Yeah, right. And finance isn't the only measure, 00:25:15.730 --> 00:25:19.490 obviously. Right. I have to say, from what I 00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:23.589 was reading on the internet, the public really 00:25:23.589 --> 00:25:28.250 hated Joker. Yes. I mean, it's one of the few 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:32.880 times where... The critics and the public on 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:35.140 Rotten Tomatoes, they have a secondary meter 00:25:35.140 --> 00:25:38.579 on the screen page for each movie, and they are 00:25:38.579 --> 00:25:42.259 exactly the same. That's crazy to me. 31 % positive, 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.460 which is in Razzie territory. Oh, definitely. 00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:48.980 Yeah, for our show, I don't touch a movie unless 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:52.660 it has under 40 % for both, because then people 00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:55.319 can agree this is a bad movie. Like, there's 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.720 no skirting around it. It's not just, oh, the 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.819 audience hated it. Oh, the critics hated it. 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.920 This is. Well, we also, I have recently, I've 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.279 started looking at the user ratings on IMDb, 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.339 which is a fairly good indicator because that's 00:26:10.339 --> 00:26:13.480 usually thousands of people. Right. I'll say 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:15.940 sometimes. Not that it was that many for Megalopolis. 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:18.980 Yeah, right. I'll say sometimes you're right 00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:20.960 on that because then sometimes like Madam Web. 00:26:21.710 --> 00:26:25.029 There was one that stuck out to me when I was 00:26:25.029 --> 00:26:27.809 looking at the score for the audience. And it 00:26:27.809 --> 00:26:31.289 was like, this movie only made me barf a little 00:26:31.289 --> 00:26:35.450 five stars. Some of these ratings, it's just 00:26:35.450 --> 00:26:37.430 like, you just got to double check just in case. 00:26:37.549 --> 00:26:41.769 Because audience is like 54%. And I don't feel 00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:44.950 like it's really that high. This is just certain 00:26:44.950 --> 00:26:51.210 people. Well, people, I think the average moviegoer. 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:57.660 isn't nearly as snarky as Razzies are or as critics 00:26:57.660 --> 00:27:03.259 are or as film professionals would be. You're 00:27:03.259 --> 00:27:10.359 all taught not to say mean things. And over the 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.380 45 years we've been doing the Razzies, the whole 00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:16.839 PC don't pick on anybody, everybody should only 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.700 say nice things, that whole notion has just gone. 00:27:21.049 --> 00:27:24.990 crazy right and um it's now part of our culture 00:27:24.990 --> 00:27:32.089 and um yeah they on their face the razzies are 00:27:32.089 --> 00:27:34.569 insulting they're meant to be yeah they're also 00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:37.369 meant to be funny they're not they weren't created 00:27:37.369 --> 00:27:41.109 to kick someone in the teeth i like to say we're 00:27:41.109 --> 00:27:43.509 not a kick in the stomach we're a banana peel 00:27:43.509 --> 00:27:47.329 on the floor and we're not saying how dare you 00:27:47.329 --> 00:27:50.880 we're saying why did you yeah right sandra bullock 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.299 and again that was her own project it was her 00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:56.819 production company she nurtured it all the way 00:27:56.819 --> 00:28:03.220 through she did that to herself right um and 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:08.900 you know again you We aren't saying you can't 00:28:08.900 --> 00:28:11.619 ever do a good thing again. You've ruined your 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:14.779 whole. But most of these projects, you know, 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:17.720 there is a trajectory to somebody's career when 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.519 they've done one of these. It does tend to level 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.940 off or plummet. Yeah. Well, I've noticed lately 00:28:24.940 --> 00:28:27.819 that somebody like John Voight has kind of been 00:28:27.819 --> 00:28:31.019 consistently on that. I thought it was wildly 00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:36.740 amusing that when. trump was picking the ambassadors 00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:40.180 for the movie industry they're all three big 00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:43.380 -time razzie winners okay it's mel gibson john 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:46.720 voight and the king of the razzie sylvester stallone 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:53.819 sylvester oh my gosh that's great and so um you 00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:56.059 were talking about the idea of like it's a banana 00:28:56.059 --> 00:28:58.059 peel and that kind of thing and i i love that 00:28:58.059 --> 00:29:00.279 that's that's a great analogy because that is 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.400 in my mind what i have it as There are a lot 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.759 of people nowadays with this PC idea, and I'm 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.720 not going fully into that, but like the idea 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.019 of if you can't say anything nice, don't say 00:29:11.019 --> 00:29:13.640 anything. We released a TikTok that was like 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.779 five of the worst movies we covered this year 00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:18.880 at the end of the year. And people are commenting 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.339 like, why? Why are you saying all these bad things 00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:24.539 about these movies? I agree with you in the fact 00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:28.029 that it's it's not. how dare you it's why did 00:29:28.029 --> 00:29:30.710 you the kind of thing like and especially things 00:29:30.710 --> 00:29:33.650 that you do like your comeback award like um 00:29:33.650 --> 00:29:38.269 the redeemer yes exactly yes the redeemer award 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:40.890 and i everyone thinks they know who that's gonna 00:29:40.890 --> 00:29:45.549 go to this year we're gonna go against the grain 00:29:45.549 --> 00:29:48.829 we're gonna go with somebody that was snubbed 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:51.769 by the oscars there you go hey you have to you 00:29:51.769 --> 00:29:56.609 have to watch to know Little teaser there. Yeah, 00:29:56.650 --> 00:29:58.869 I'm not going to say who it is. Right, no, of 00:29:58.869 --> 00:30:06.130 course. And, you know, Sylvester Stallone won 00:30:06.130 --> 00:30:08.569 a Redeemer Award at one point. Then he went back 00:30:08.569 --> 00:30:14.269 to doing Expendables movies. And I was pleased 00:30:14.269 --> 00:30:18.170 he was actually mentioned on the nominating ballot 00:30:18.170 --> 00:30:20.769 this year. And for the first time I can remember, 00:30:20.950 --> 00:30:26.220 he didn't end up. in the final five so maybe 00:30:26.220 --> 00:30:28.059 we're over him maybe it's time to finally give 00:30:28.059 --> 00:30:30.579 him his career award yeah maybe yeah maybe it's 00:30:30.579 --> 00:30:33.640 time to yeah he's he's gone now it's it's over 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.579 he hasn't i'm trying to remember what it's called 00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:41.140 he has another movie that just came out in which 00:30:41.140 --> 00:30:44.079 he's he doesn't always play the lead either anymore 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.460 you know right has a secondary is that uh that's 00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:50.640 alarum i think it is yes I knew it was a word 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.579 they put an extra vowel in, like having a stroke. 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.140 Yeah, we considered Alarum for our show. But 00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:03.680 yes, he does. Now he's taking a little more of 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.220 a backseat. I think you're right on about maybe 00:31:06.220 --> 00:31:11.519 he's got his roses now or his Razzies. Well, 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:16.859 the year he won. the redeemer award he was widely 00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:20.319 touted to win the academy award right a sporting 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.640 actor that was creed right yes yeah and he didn't 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:29.700 win that and he we were told he wouldn't accept 00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.420 our award because he he thought he was going 00:31:32.420 --> 00:31:34.720 to win an oscar and his manager was trying to 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.180 convince him to do it she said you know this 00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:39.859 is funny you could you could use a little humor 00:31:39.859 --> 00:31:42.960 here right Have you found that more people have 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.960 been like accepting of it? I feel like before, 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.819 like you said, people took it kind of as a kick 00:31:48.819 --> 00:31:50.940 to the stomach, that kind of thing. But I feel 00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.779 lately I've heard more people are just like proud 00:31:53.779 --> 00:31:56.279 of it. They're accepting of it because they realize, 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.839 hey, sometimes they can't all be gems. Well, 00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:03.380 over the years, there have been few and far between. 00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:10.339 But I think the greatest one, and it has now 00:32:10.339 --> 00:32:12.859 been watched. something like three million times 00:32:12.859 --> 00:32:16.640 on our YouTube channel. Halle Berry showing up 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.180 for Catwoman. I'm pretty sure I'm a billion of 00:32:20.180 --> 00:32:24.259 those viewers. And it's incredible. And if she 00:32:24.259 --> 00:32:26.619 could have been that entertaining in the movie, 00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:31.619 but she's having fun at her own expense. Right. 00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:35.299 And the public loves that. Oh, yeah. Now, a couple 00:32:35.299 --> 00:32:38.930 of years later. When Sandra Bullock won both 00:32:38.930 --> 00:32:42.410 awards back to back, she won a Razzie Saturday 00:32:42.410 --> 00:32:45.369 and an Oscar on Sunday. Yeah. She had a little 00:32:45.369 --> 00:32:50.990 more to and, you know, wasn't as, you know, enjoying 00:32:50.990 --> 00:32:54.430 the moment as Halle Berry had been. But that 00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:58.349 fulfilled one of my favorite fantasies about 00:32:58.349 --> 00:33:01.230 the Razzies, which was someday someone's going 00:33:01.230 --> 00:33:03.630 to ask a Razzie winner when they walk up the 00:33:03.630 --> 00:33:06.029 red carpet the next night about the Razzies. 00:33:06.569 --> 00:33:10.410 And every single crew along the red carpet that 00:33:10.410 --> 00:33:12.230 year asked her, well, weren't you at another 00:33:12.230 --> 00:33:15.670 thing? Yeah, right. You had another project this 00:33:15.670 --> 00:33:18.509 year, right? You know, as I recall, one of her 00:33:18.509 --> 00:33:20.730 remarks was, well, they're both going to be on 00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:23.569 display in my living room, but I'm not going 00:33:23.569 --> 00:33:28.450 to put the Razzie on a much lower shelf. Oh, 00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:30.250 I would probably have both of them right next 00:33:30.250 --> 00:33:32.670 to each other. There it is. There have been a 00:33:32.670 --> 00:33:36.109 handful. The guy that wrote L .A. Confidential 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:39.190 also wrote, oh, God, what was it that he won? 00:33:39.230 --> 00:33:42.009 I want to say it's The Postman, Kevin Costner, 00:33:42.069 --> 00:33:47.470 Futuristically. Yeah. I'm looking it up as we're 00:33:47.470 --> 00:33:51.150 talking about it. Helgeland, Brian Helgeland, 00:33:51.170 --> 00:33:54.730 I think. Okay. That sounds right. He actually. 00:33:55.450 --> 00:33:58.529 He invited us to his office on the Warner Brothers 00:33:58.529 --> 00:34:02.650 lot and let us take a picture to post on our 00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:05.730 website. He was also, you know, and he said, 00:34:05.750 --> 00:34:08.469 I want an Oscar. It's, you know, the Razzies 00:34:08.469 --> 00:34:12.710 are funny. And he said, you know, it's both ends 00:34:12.710 --> 00:34:15.510 of the scale. You're not always going to do Oscar 00:34:15.510 --> 00:34:19.409 caliber work. And he's right about that. I mean, 00:34:19.429 --> 00:34:23.610 nobody is always Oscar caliber all the time. 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:25.980 Well, except Meryl Streep. Except for Meryl Streep, 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:29.980 yes, of course. And yes, it was him for the postman. 00:34:30.460 --> 00:34:34.019 Yeah. Yeah. Nailed it again. Look at you. I just 00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:38.739 wanted to know just in case, but I trusted you. 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:43.059 You knew it. Oh, so you asked me for a list, 00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:47.199 and this is getting a little more goofy. You 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.500 asked me for a list of Razzies I don't agree 00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:53.539 with. And for the most part, I don't have a ton. 00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.699 I have more nominee stuff than winner stuff, 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.840 including 1981, Friday the 13th for Worst Picture. 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:08.559 Okay. I think that's another one that the company 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.780 I worked at had done the campaign. Okay. And 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:17.480 it is responsible for that and Halloween. And 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.380 Halloween, I actually think is a very good movie. 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.179 Yes. Friday the 13th is basically... kids having 00:35:23.179 --> 00:35:27.780 sex and getting their throats cut, which it launched 00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:31.780 a whole horror genre. Well, I would argue that 00:35:31.780 --> 00:35:34.099 that combined with Halloween, although Halloween 00:35:34.099 --> 00:35:35.760 was several years earlier, I think Halloween 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.639 was 78. Okay. Yes, that's true. That is true. 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:44.639 And they, again, we had 10 nominees that year. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.679 Okay. So filling out the ranks. Okay. I'll give 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.969 it to you. You know, okay. The guy who, I want 00:35:50.969 --> 00:35:53.250 to say the guy who produced that sent a very 00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:55.269 angry email at some point pointing out how much 00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:59.969 money it made. Box office does not. You know, 00:35:59.989 --> 00:36:02.789 there are plenty of movies that have amazing 00:36:02.789 --> 00:36:05.269 box office. I mean, now the room probably has 00:36:05.269 --> 00:36:07.869 a great box office and we all know it's terrible. 00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:11.909 My son loves that movie. He used to go with groups 00:36:11.909 --> 00:36:16.349 of friends to that. It took so long to rise to 00:36:16.349 --> 00:36:18.769 the level of public awareness that it wasn't 00:36:18.769 --> 00:36:21.849 even on our radar. I mean, it didn't get widely 00:36:21.849 --> 00:36:24.929 reviewed. It wasn't, you know, it basically played 00:36:24.929 --> 00:36:28.230 midnight shows in West Hollywood. I'll be honest. 00:36:28.329 --> 00:36:32.010 I had no clue about it until a teacher of mine 00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:35.329 in high school was, she had done a couple extras 00:36:35.329 --> 00:36:38.409 things for like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and 00:36:38.409 --> 00:36:40.190 that kind of stuff. She was in a couple things. 00:36:40.909 --> 00:36:44.500 She had posted. when the disaster artist came 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:47.420 out a journal entry from when she was in hollywood 00:36:47.420 --> 00:36:50.539 and she was in line to audition for the room 00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:57.219 and like heard screaming heard uh chaos like 00:36:57.219 --> 00:37:00.960 there was animal noises there was all these things 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.940 and like when she walked in like immediately 00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:09.159 all she could smell was just sweat and like That's 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:10.719 definitely one of those movies that when, when 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.340 I saw that, I'm like, okay, I need to need to 00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:15.219 go see this again. Cause I don't remember this 00:37:15.219 --> 00:37:19.900 as much. It's what, you know, one of the hardest 00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:26.639 things to do and carry off is a deliberate Razzie. 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.860 Right. The only time anyone ever claimed they 00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:34.000 had done that was Tom green. Okay. Freddie got 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.639 fingered. Yes. And Freddie got fingered. That 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.559 was the only year I actually hired a babysitter 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.900 and refused to let my son attend the awards. 00:37:43.980 --> 00:37:47.400 I did not want him to see specifically the animal 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:53.460 abuse. Yes. That was a truly tasteless movie. 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.280 Yes. Probably a good choice on your part, I would 00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:03.980 say. And I also, when Tom Green showed up, he's 00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:07.480 one of the few who did attend. We took him aside 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.239 and we said, your picture's winning five or six 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.639 awards. We don't have time for you to get up 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.079 there every time it wins an award. Speak for 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.860 everyone. You want to go up there. And we realized 00:38:18.860 --> 00:38:22.900 once we said that to him, he's particularly arbitrary, 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:25.519 you know, in your face. You told me not to, so 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.619 I'm gonna. Yeah. So we talked to the lighting 00:38:29.619 --> 00:38:34.320 director and we told him every time it's a. category 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.940 we don't want him on the stage turn a screaming 00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:40.519 spotlight right in his face and turn off every 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.059 other light in the theater be able to get to 00:38:44.059 --> 00:38:47.820 the stage without breaking his neck and he he 00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:49.699 loved it because he thought oh they're you know 00:38:49.699 --> 00:38:52.940 they're spotlighting me there yeah right it worked 00:38:52.940 --> 00:38:56.880 he only did get to go up three times he still 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:01.619 made it up three but that's great That's well 00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.699 done. All right. I like that. All right. There 00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:07.639 was one more that I needed to talk about. I had 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.519 a list. It's really most of them I'm not arguing 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.940 or anything like that. But there's one that I 00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:15.539 wanted to bring up that hurt me a little bit. 00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:20.000 So in 1995, a certain actor was nominated for 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.840 Worst New Star. Oh, you're going to say Jim Carrey? 00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:27.199 Jim Carrey. The Mask, Dumb and Dumber, and Ace 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:33.019 Ventura were the reasons. I'm sorry. Those were 00:39:33.019 --> 00:39:36.139 like three of his best. I know they're dumb. 00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:39.639 See, I don't know if you, I knew him from In 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.239 Living Color. I didn't know him from In Living 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.119 Color at that point. And he was so wildly original 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.719 and just, you know, groundbreakingly twisted. 00:39:52.219 --> 00:39:54.380 Yeah, okay. And those three movies, you know, 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.230 the whole thing of The Mask. it's basically a 00:39:58.230 --> 00:40:00.570 live action version of the old warner brothers 00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:03.090 cartoon where the wolf sees the blonde girl and 00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:07.670 his eyeballs pop out exactly yeah um which of 00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:09.769 the of those three movies i will give you that 00:40:09.769 --> 00:40:12.090 one yes okay i have a little more understanding 00:40:12.090 --> 00:40:14.909 for that but like dumb and dumber i probably 00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:17.590 have seen way too many actually in retrospect 00:40:17.590 --> 00:40:21.849 i actually yes over the years have come to especially 00:40:21.849 --> 00:40:25.559 after you've seen the horrible sequel with the 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.559 other actors that they tried to pull off. Oh, 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.300 I've seen that one and the actual sequel with 00:40:32.300 --> 00:40:35.679 the same characters. It's not good. Well, again, 00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:38.679 you can't, you know, sometimes when something 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.860 hits, it is a one -time thing. And it's not, 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.000 you can't, I think the expression is capture 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.860 lightning in a bottle, can't make the same circumstances 00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:55.199 occur a second time. The one I like to point 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.519 to is, and this is going to sound like a weird 00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.179 example coming from the head of the Razzies, 00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:03.380 but when Burt Reynolds and Sally Field made the 00:41:03.380 --> 00:41:06.440 first Smokey and the Bandit, they were actually 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.880 falling in love off camera. And that came across 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.480 on the screen. When it was a huge hit and they 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.360 decided to do the sequel, they were done. They 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.440 hated each other's fucking guts. They didn't 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.059 even want to sit in the same vehicle. And that 00:41:20.059 --> 00:41:23.389 came across on the screen. Right, exactly. Oh, 00:41:23.389 --> 00:41:26.530 you're exactly right, though, about it's impossible 00:41:26.530 --> 00:41:31.429 to recapture that same thing. If you can do it, 00:41:31.489 --> 00:41:36.110 good on you. I mean, that's impressive as hell. 00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:39.550 Godfather 2, to me, is the ultimate example where 00:41:39.550 --> 00:41:41.550 I actually thought it was better than the first 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:43.889 one. I would agree with that. Because it was 00:41:43.889 --> 00:41:48.469 more creative and it had a lot more... interesting 00:41:48.469 --> 00:41:50.510 actors in it. I'm pretty sure that was one of 00:41:50.510 --> 00:41:53.429 the first things De Niro ever did that was popular 00:41:53.429 --> 00:41:57.650 in the mainstream. I would guess so. I don't 00:41:57.650 --> 00:41:59.489 exactly know because I just don't remember that 00:41:59.489 --> 00:42:01.789 timeline. But yes, I would guess so as well. 00:42:01.969 --> 00:42:03.929 And you're exactly right. I would say it's better 00:42:03.929 --> 00:42:06.090 than the original. And then you get Godfather 00:42:06.090 --> 00:42:10.829 3. Oh, I have a favorite story about that one 00:42:10.829 --> 00:42:13.730 also. Let's go. A friend of mine who worked at 00:42:13.730 --> 00:42:17.710 Paramount. and knows that I do the Razzies. She 00:42:17.710 --> 00:42:20.789 said, I will get you into an Academy member screening, 00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:25.070 but you must behave. And I agreed to. I sat on 00:42:25.070 --> 00:42:29.949 my hands. But in the scene where Sofia Coppola 00:42:29.949 --> 00:42:36.769 is shot, deadpans the word, Dad, and then smack 00:42:36.769 --> 00:42:41.829 face first on the steps of the opera. the Academy 00:42:41.829 --> 00:42:45.230 audience burst into applause and cheers that 00:42:45.230 --> 00:42:50.210 she was dead. They hate her. And meanwhile, you're 00:42:50.210 --> 00:42:52.849 sitting on your hands. Yes, I'm like, well, they're 00:42:52.849 --> 00:42:54.809 all doing it, but I don't want Allison to get 00:42:54.809 --> 00:43:00.389 in trouble. Do you find when you're invited to 00:43:00.389 --> 00:43:04.860 these events, you're told to behave? I actually 00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:08.059 worked on campaigns for some of this stuff. Like 00:43:08.059 --> 00:43:10.679 I did the campaign for one of my very favorite 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.320 bad movies, Lonely Lady. Lonely Lady, okay. And 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:21.760 again, you can tell even in rough cut, like Jaws 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.820 3D, you didn't have to have the lame -o 3D effects 00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:32.869 to know that thing sucked. Right. Yeah, I think 00:43:32.869 --> 00:43:37.889 it's actually easier to make a good promo for 00:43:37.889 --> 00:43:41.190 a bad movie because 90 % of it you don't want 00:43:41.190 --> 00:43:43.550 to show because it's so awful. Right. You're 00:43:43.550 --> 00:43:47.329 limited to – we basically – they licensed a song. 00:43:47.329 --> 00:43:50.670 I think it was The Fanatic. Okay. Cut the trailer 00:43:50.670 --> 00:43:53.210 to the rhythm of that song, and you couldn't 00:43:53.210 --> 00:43:57.190 tell what was going on. You could tell that she 00:43:57.190 --> 00:43:59.750 was half naked in a lot of the movie. Right. 00:44:00.170 --> 00:44:02.150 It was fairly tasteless. They mentioned Harold 00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:04.230 Robbins, but it was like boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:08.989 boom, out. Yes, one of the things when you know 00:44:08.989 --> 00:44:11.909 you have a bad movie, one of the things you do 00:44:11.909 --> 00:44:16.110 is I call it the Benihana style of editing. Give 00:44:16.110 --> 00:44:19.670 anybody 10 seconds to figure out that's bad acting. 00:44:19.809 --> 00:44:22.289 That's a ridiculous costume. You don't want to 00:44:22.289 --> 00:44:26.239 leave it in there. Yeah, exactly. You're exactly 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.239 right. I feel like it would be easier to make 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.539 a trailer of a bad movie because you just pull 00:44:31.539 --> 00:44:35.019 the good stuff that seeps to the top almost. 00:44:35.260 --> 00:44:40.900 The crud that floats to the top. One of the hardest 00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:43.119 campaigns I ever did, I actually worked on the 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.079 campaign for Silence of the Lambs. Okay. And 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.159 my client thought I was nuts. I said, this is 00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.440 going to win every Oscar. It's a horror movie. 00:44:51.539 --> 00:44:53.989 You don't know what you're talking about. Oh, 00:44:53.989 --> 00:44:56.050 yeah? Yeah, right. I think you know what you're 00:44:56.050 --> 00:44:59.809 talking about. Well, yes, I'm an Alex Salmon 00:44:59.809 --> 00:45:02.750 Oscar baby. I grew up watching them with my parents 00:45:02.750 --> 00:45:05.849 when I was a child in Chicago. It was one of 00:45:05.849 --> 00:45:07.710 the few nights of the year I was allowed to stay 00:45:07.710 --> 00:45:11.130 up late. Yeah. I remember very clearly when Patty 00:45:11.130 --> 00:45:14.829 Duke won an Academy Award for Miracle Worker, 00:45:14.829 --> 00:45:18.429 which is an incredible movie. Yeah. But I remember 00:45:18.429 --> 00:45:21.389 thinking, she's not a lot older than I am. They 00:45:21.389 --> 00:45:27.119 give Oscars to kids? Right. The way you just 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.619 said that. Okay. So a couple of years ago and 00:45:30.619 --> 00:45:35.480 there was a kid nominated for worst actress. 00:45:37.300 --> 00:45:40.719 I think you guys pulled it. Am I correct? Yeah. 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.420 Yes. And we turned around and gave that award 00:45:43.420 --> 00:45:46.539 to ourselves. Okay. Yes. Yeah. That was it. Yeah. 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.010 Yeah. Do you find that happens often, something 00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:53.090 like that? Because I've seen that one, and then 00:45:53.090 --> 00:45:56.409 I've seen the Shelley Duvall one got retroactively, 00:45:56.550 --> 00:45:59.429 like the nomination got taken away because we 00:45:59.429 --> 00:46:01.369 saw what she went through on The Shining. Yeah. 00:46:01.690 --> 00:46:06.570 Yeah, there are times when it really isn't the 00:46:06.570 --> 00:46:09.309 fault of the person whose face is on screen. 00:46:09.650 --> 00:46:14.710 Right. In the case of Firestarter, that was a 00:46:14.710 --> 00:46:18.679 remake. Again, a movie I had worked on the campaign 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.619 for the old one was Drew Barrymore, which wasn't 00:46:21.619 --> 00:46:23.300 awful, but it wasn't that good. I don't really 00:46:23.300 --> 00:46:26.099 know why they wanted to remake it. That was the 00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:28.099 question when it was coming out was just kind 00:46:28.099 --> 00:46:30.539 of like, of all the things to remake, this is 00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:35.320 the one? Yeah. And it isn't one of King's better 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.900 novels either. I used to, I had a friend in college. 00:46:39.469 --> 00:46:42.969 that we both loved Stephen King and her birthday 00:46:42.969 --> 00:46:45.829 was in October and mine was in May. So our agreement 00:46:45.829 --> 00:46:49.050 was I would give her the book that came out in 00:46:49.050 --> 00:46:51.050 the spring for her birthday. She'd read it and 00:46:51.050 --> 00:46:55.190 give it to me. And then she would, you know, 00:46:55.210 --> 00:46:57.409 we would trade off and that way we were able, 00:46:57.469 --> 00:47:00.050 he averaged about two books a year. The guy was 00:47:00.050 --> 00:47:03.389 frighteningly prolific. Oh yeah. Yeah. He, he 00:47:03.389 --> 00:47:08.869 cranked them out. Yeah. But, um, Yeah, that was 00:47:08.869 --> 00:47:13.309 a very, that whole thing about the, I should 00:47:13.309 --> 00:47:16.349 remember her name, but I blocked it. Yeah, right. 00:47:16.389 --> 00:47:20.329 It was a very unpleasant experience for everyone, 00:47:20.469 --> 00:47:24.230 I think. Yeah. But there were people, I thought 00:47:24.230 --> 00:47:28.030 this was very odd. There were people saying that 00:47:28.030 --> 00:47:32.289 by nominating her for a Razzie, we were grooming 00:47:32.289 --> 00:47:36.039 her for something, which is a... term for you 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:40.840 know yeah philia yeah right like it's a razzy 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.900 if you're trying to plant somebody you're not 00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:46.500 going to nominate them for a razzy right you're 00:47:46.500 --> 00:47:48.480 going to come up with a bullshit thing that says 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:52.920 you're fabulous yeah exactly it's just the the 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:57.679 polarization of public opinion largely due to 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.739 the internet is one of the things that's most 00:48:00.739 --> 00:48:04.309 safe significantly changed over the years with 00:48:04.309 --> 00:48:09.829 the Razzies. How has it changed? It's more negative, 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:12.269 would you say, or more positive? There's more 00:48:12.269 --> 00:48:19.690 umbrage. People take offense at who dominated. 00:48:22.010 --> 00:48:30.329 It's a joke. Get over yourself. And it can have 00:48:30.329 --> 00:48:38.349 a rather large impact. But it's not, like I said 00:48:38.349 --> 00:48:41.610 earlier, it's not meant to be offensive. It's 00:48:41.610 --> 00:48:44.630 meant to be, like another thing I say a lot is, 00:48:44.730 --> 00:48:48.650 if you got $20 million for playing Mr. Freeze 00:48:48.650 --> 00:48:51.690 in a Batman movie, and you also got a Razzie 00:48:51.690 --> 00:48:55.190 nomination. you still have $20 million. That 00:48:55.190 --> 00:48:57.550 ought to be able to buy you a sense of humor. 00:48:57.789 --> 00:49:01.889 I can't imagine anybody that we're particularly 00:49:01.889 --> 00:49:05.469 talking about with that. No, I'm being vague 00:49:05.469 --> 00:49:09.110 intentionally. Yeah, right. It was an ice pond. 00:49:11.730 --> 00:49:18.769 Sorry. God, I'll be honest. I still love that 00:49:18.769 --> 00:49:21.969 movie, even though it's terrible. batman and 00:49:21.969 --> 00:49:25.849 robin yeah oh yeah yeah it's it's definitely 00:49:25.849 --> 00:49:31.690 one i i i'm a self like i i'm trying to give 00:49:31.690 --> 00:49:35.170 myself self self pain i think and i enjoy bad 00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:37.570 movies for the sake of enjoying bad movies but 00:49:37.570 --> 00:49:39.690 i was trying to think before this interview like 00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:41.730 what are some of the ones that i've seen that 00:49:41.730 --> 00:49:44.289 i actually enjoyed and batman and robin was one 00:49:44.289 --> 00:49:46.889 of them um i don't know if it was nominated but 00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:48.969 like i always defend mortal combat annihilation 00:49:49.469 --> 00:49:53.210 I think Alicia Silverstone won supporting actress 00:49:53.210 --> 00:49:56.969 for that. And it's funny, her character's name 00:49:56.969 --> 00:49:59.929 was the name of the woman who was my wife at 00:49:59.929 --> 00:50:02.510 the time. Trying to figure out if we could get 00:50:02.510 --> 00:50:04.170 a joke in there. And she said, I am not going 00:50:04.170 --> 00:50:06.590 up on the stage. Yeah, right. I'm not doing that. 00:50:09.349 --> 00:50:11.070 Yeah, because I was looking at some of them. 00:50:11.110 --> 00:50:12.630 I don't remember if it was nominated or not. 00:50:12.670 --> 00:50:14.389 It might not have been. But like Mortal Kombat 00:50:14.389 --> 00:50:18.420 Annihilation, I'm a constant defender of. think 00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:23.800 so only because again our members generally until 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:28.500 recently when comic and video game based movies 00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:32.900 became pretty much the backbone of big budget 00:50:32.900 --> 00:50:36.460 Hollywood movie making our members didn't seem 00:50:36.460 --> 00:50:42.300 to be into either of those genres yeah that's 00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:45.739 fair well we started talking about this year's 00:50:45.739 --> 00:50:49.949 nominees Do you find that for certain movies, 00:50:50.309 --> 00:50:54.690 there are, as soon as it's nominated for Worst 00:50:54.690 --> 00:50:57.309 Picture, everything else kind of follows and 00:50:57.309 --> 00:51:00.809 like happens? Or does it start with like one 00:51:00.809 --> 00:51:04.250 nomination and then just kind of snowball? I 00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:09.469 mean, in our voting process? Yeah. Yeah. Well, 00:51:09.769 --> 00:51:14.639 there is a great deal of crossover. Our members 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.380 tend to think if something is bad enough to be 00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:20.460 nominated for worst picture, it's probably going 00:51:20.460 --> 00:51:22.800 to get at least three or four. It's very rare 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.780 that something gets a worst picture nomination 00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:28.500 and nothing else. I think only once in our whole 00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:31.280 history has something won worst picture without 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:33.699 winning something else. And that was a weird 00:51:33.699 --> 00:51:36.820 little movie called The Color of Night. I think 00:51:36.820 --> 00:51:41.820 it was Bruce Willis and he's a therapist. Right 00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:46.699 there, you're in trouble. Yeah, right. But they 00:51:46.699 --> 00:51:51.679 do tend to, and I don't, I can't guarantee, but 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.139 then neither can the Academy or the Golden Globe 00:51:54.139 --> 00:51:58.920 Committee, that our voting members actually see 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.320 this stuff. Unfortunately for me, I do. Because 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:04.940 in situations like this, I like to be able to 00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:09.369 discuss from having seen this stuff. Why was 00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:11.969 it nominated? Does it deserve to be? Which award 00:52:11.969 --> 00:52:18.750 should it get? And then just, I consider it kind 00:52:18.750 --> 00:52:21.170 of, it's not a job because I really don't make 00:52:21.170 --> 00:52:27.530 money doing it, but it's my avocation. I painted 00:52:27.530 --> 00:52:29.949 myself into this corner by coming up with it 00:52:29.949 --> 00:52:33.150 all those years ago. How many hours do you find, 00:52:33.210 --> 00:52:34.769 especially at this point of the year, that you 00:52:34.769 --> 00:52:41.500 work on this? Well, what I tend to do is this 00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:43.880 time of the year, I'm focused on the current 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:48.460 year and promoting it and, you know, building 00:52:48.460 --> 00:52:52.400 the video and press release and blah, blah, blah. 00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:57.159 But I mostly watch stuff now streaming. I very 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.260 rarely actually see something in a theater anymore. 00:53:00.340 --> 00:53:04.409 The last thing I saw in a theater was Cats. Oh 00:53:04.409 --> 00:53:07.650 God. That probably is a factor in my not wanting 00:53:07.650 --> 00:53:10.570 to go to a theater ever again. That almost was 00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:14.989 my last movie in theaters before COVID. It was 00:53:14.989 --> 00:53:17.730 like, it was, and it was, again, it was a matinee 00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:20.130 and there were like six other people in the theater 00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:22.630 and everyone else was wondering why I was laughing 00:53:22.630 --> 00:53:28.449 maniacally. But it's a musical lighten up. I 00:53:28.449 --> 00:53:33.789 mean, like, uh, yeah, cats. Cats was almost the 00:53:33.789 --> 00:53:36.570 end of me, I think, with this show and just in 00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:39.989 general. Well, the show itself was rather epithel. 00:53:40.090 --> 00:53:44.949 I actually, I saw it on Broadway before it had 00:53:44.949 --> 00:53:47.829 formally opened. Okay. I was on a trip with a 00:53:47.829 --> 00:53:51.269 friend in Manhattan and we thought, well, that 00:53:51.269 --> 00:53:54.510 looks weird. Maybe that would be fun. And other 00:53:54.510 --> 00:53:58.980 than the song Memory, which is... an amazing 00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.139 song and the woman who sang it was quite amazing 00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:04.699 and I think she won a Tony but it's basically 00:54:04.699 --> 00:54:08.820 like they took a litter box and made it into 00:54:08.820 --> 00:54:17.639 a musical it's it's true it's true set your litter 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.059 box to music yeah Andrew Lloyd Webber oh my gosh 00:54:22.059 --> 00:54:29.659 but yeah That's one of those things where there 00:54:29.659 --> 00:54:31.960 were a whole bunch of different concepts thrown 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:36.440 at Universal about how to turn this thing into 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.760 a movie. And I think, you know, do the whole 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.739 thing as CGI. Don't just do their whiskers and 00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:46.659 their claws, you know, and dress them up like 00:54:46.659 --> 00:54:52.099 they've gone to the party city store. And yeah, 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.500 that's another one where pretty much everything 00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:57.150 about it. I mean, the minute the trailer hit, 00:54:57.289 --> 00:55:01.130 we posted it on our website. We posted the link 00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:03.190 to it and said, this looks like the one. This 00:55:03.190 --> 00:55:06.869 is it. Yeah, exactly. This is sitting here. We're 00:55:06.869 --> 00:55:11.730 ready. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And yeah, it was rightfully 00:55:11.730 --> 00:55:16.309 so. Every year you have the presentation of the 00:55:16.309 --> 00:55:21.369 Razzie Awards, obviously. This year, it's usually 00:55:21.369 --> 00:55:26.440 the night before, correct? Yes. Yes, the first, 00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:30.440 I think, three years, we did it as an Oscar -watching 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.860 party, and then we did our presentation afterward. 00:55:33.380 --> 00:55:35.900 Okay, yes, that makes sense. The fourth year, 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.059 one of my clients, who knew I did the Razzies 00:55:38.059 --> 00:55:41.099 and thought they were wonderfully funny, he said, 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.900 well, why don't you do it the day before? Because 00:55:43.900 --> 00:55:46.980 there's press from literally all over the world, 00:55:47.059 --> 00:55:50.000 and they have nothing to do, and they're already 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.860 in Hollywood. And that's when it really took 00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:56.650 off. nice we are not actually this year we are 00:55:56.650 --> 00:55:59.349 not actually doing a full -blown show we're doing 00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:06.110 a press release okay and um but yeah it over 00:56:06.110 --> 00:56:10.969 the years it was a great deal of fun yeah mounting 00:56:10.969 --> 00:56:14.289 a show and finding the quotes and we had a wonderful 00:56:14.289 --> 00:56:17.230 cast of people who could just put the perfect 00:56:17.230 --> 00:56:22.409 snarky spin on stuff and um it was quite clear 00:56:22.409 --> 00:56:24.800 it was you know When you have a live show, it's 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.039 quite obvious it's supposed to be funny. Yeah, 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:31.099 right. In print and as a video press release, 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.260 sometimes people do misconstrue it. They think 00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:38.420 that it's straight up mean. Right. The kick to 00:56:38.420 --> 00:56:40.760 the stomach instead of the banana peel. Yep. 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:43.699 See, I'm going to keep using that. I think that's 00:56:43.699 --> 00:56:48.840 great. That's exactly what it is. buy memberships 00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:50.940 to vote, everything like that. They can be a 00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:53.699 part of it. I know I signed up. I signed my buddy 00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:57.880 Mitchell up as well. Well, you can see our website, 00:56:58.219 --> 00:57:06.239 razzies .com, as a page. But if you join at this 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.360 point, you're not going to get a nominating ballot, 00:57:08.539 --> 00:57:11.480 obviously. You're going to get the final ballot. 00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:14.619 Yes. uh voting is open i know and everything 00:57:14.619 --> 00:57:16.960 like that do you find that most of the people 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.139 now that have memberships they watch them all 00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:22.079 or they just kind of are voting for one movie 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.320 in particular that they just want to there are 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.940 yeah there are people who you know like to spread 00:57:27.940 --> 00:57:31.280 i like to say spread the loathe around okay but 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.860 there are people who just you know down the whole 00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:38.420 thing it's like joker joker joker joker what 00:57:38.420 --> 00:57:41.480 web madam what you know right there does tend 00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:45.079 to be that kind of voting okay i like to think 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:49.039 that people have seen it because our it's not 00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:51.840 that common anymore for something to sweep to 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.760 win you know like there's nine categories and 00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.760 redeemer yeah it's very rare for something to 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:04.489 win even five anymore yeah right uh Something 00:58:04.489 --> 00:58:06.630 like Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey, I know 00:58:06.630 --> 00:58:08.849 won a couple. And I think that's the last one. 00:58:09.190 --> 00:58:14.469 And we didn't, we decided, we didn't think it 00:58:14.469 --> 00:58:16.090 was fair to pick on the actors because the whole 00:58:16.090 --> 00:58:19.369 thing costs like what, $100 ,000. Right. And 00:58:19.369 --> 00:58:23.429 the guy who wrote and directed it publicly chastised 00:58:23.429 --> 00:58:26.269 us, you know, I'm up against $100 million movies. 00:58:26.409 --> 00:58:30.809 And I said, you don't have to have money to have 00:58:30.809 --> 00:58:33.590 talent. Right. Apparently you hadn't either. 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:38.260 you're exactly right on that i i've watched those 00:58:38.260 --> 00:58:41.880 that's you could do a decent story and be fun 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:44.780 with it with a lower budget but well if you also 00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:50.519 um if you're going to put that kind of a spin 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.940 on something as beloved as winnie the pooh is 00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:57.500 yeah right you better be clever you better be 00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:01.579 funny and it better be clear that you have your 00:59:01.579 --> 00:59:04.199 tongue in your cheek Yeah, right. Exactly. This 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.639 was your basic babes in bikinis slasher movie 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.460 with two people in Winnie the Pooh and I think 00:59:11.460 --> 00:59:14.780 it was Piglet? Piglet, yes. And they looked like 00:59:14.780 --> 00:59:18.679 Halloween masks. There was no effort made to 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.900 do anything of merit there. Right, right. It 00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:25.599 was definitely cheapo the movie and that's fine 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.000 if that's what you're going for. But yeah, you 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.780 can't then complain and say. Well, it was the 00:59:31.780 --> 00:59:36.860 budget's fault. Well, John, I know we're just 00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:38.539 about out of time, so I wanted to say thank you 00:59:38.539 --> 00:59:41.079 for coming on and everything like that. You can 00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:45.199 go to Razzie's .com, obviously. Where else can 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.280 we find you? Well, our whole history is listed 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:53.840 on IMDb. on their awards page. You kind of have 00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.840 to scroll down on the master list and find Razzie's. 00:59:56.900 --> 00:59:59.440 And then all of the movies that we've nominated 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.179 and given awards to over the years in the page 01:00:02.179 --> 01:00:05.500 about their awards were listed. And I will post 01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:09.199 that in the description of this episode so that 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.960 you can find it yourself as well. I want to say 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:16.420 thank you for spending even the shortest amount 01:00:16.420 --> 01:00:20.760 of time even. It was more... It was entertaining. 01:00:20.900 --> 01:00:23.400 It was informative. I really appreciate you taking 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:27.380 time. Well, and we appreciate your interest. 01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:33.639 Yeah. If people do join, hopefully they will 01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.920 join in the spirit of having and making fun as 01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:42.400 opposed to, you know, vengeance as somebody who 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.380 lives in a big white house right now seems to 01:00:44.380 --> 01:00:46.599 think about all the time. Yeah, exactly. No, 01:00:46.699 --> 01:00:50.360 no vengeance. We're here for, for goofy. There 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.800 you go. Well, I appreciate it. And thank you 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.679 again, really for taking the time. You are very 01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:01.039 well. Well, wait, very welcome. Thank you for 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.440 tuning in the game for a movie podcast. Bye for 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:03.599 now.