Well, our episode 30 is a little different than
expected, but, you know, things happen. We had
recorded a Dragon Ball Evolution episode, and
then we were going to go into the Q &A, and my
computer decided to die, and so we lost the Dragon
Ball Evolution part. Turns out the real podcast
is the technical difficulties we experience along
the way. God damn it. That's another shirt we
need to add. That's a long shirt, but... No,
the friends we made along the way. Sure, why
not? So, we're going to jump into the Q &A part.
I am your host, Mike. I am joined by... Jill.
Mitchell. Andre. And we have a special guest
that's going to be asking us our questions. It's
Claire! Woo! It's Claire. So, this is the question
and answer thing. We had you submit questions.
Thank you. A lot of these are from podcasts that
we know, love, and everything like that. So,
thank you guys very much for submitting. We're
going to read... As many questions as we can
get to, and probably an abbreviated episode,
but we'll see because we can talk for hours.
Yeah. We'll do the bonus, like, what was left
on the cutting room floor some other time. Some
other time, yes. And then the Dragon Ball Evolution,
if you are on Clubhouse, we are going to do a
special Clubhouse where we talk about Dragon
Ball Evolution because we just need to talk about
this movie. It's probably going to be a lot of
what was already on the cutting room floor. Right.
But we just need to get this out there somewhere.
And so we will probably do a special clubhouse.
Yeah. And if that goes well, maybe we'll do something
for the Snyder Cut. If that doesn't become an
episode. Yes. I have thoughts on Snyder. Oh,
yeah. I want to talk about that movie. It's on
our list. It's on our list. Four hours is hard
to cut out. Yeah, I was about to say, take a
chunk out of your afternoon. I was going to say,
make sure to go out into the sunshine, feel some
color. Yes, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe go
see, be with nature before you have to sit in
desaturation for four hours. Well, all we need
to do... It's perfect for this week, really,
for us. Right. All we need to do is split it
up with Godzilla vs. Kong, which has the Neon
City. Yeah. Because I love the Neon City trope.
All right, yeah, so watch. How many chapters
are in that movie? Six. So watch three chapters.
Plus epilogue. Plus epilogue. Three chapters
of Zack Snyder and then an intermission of...
Godzilla vs. Kong. Injection of color and then
buckle back down for depression and desaturation.
There you go. Great. It's what Zack Snyder's
intended viewing experience was, of course. The
Snyder Cut was much better than the Weed and
Gut. Oh, yes. High levels, yes. That's what we've
all heard, but I've seen Man of Steel and I've
seen Batman vs. Superman. I'm not expecting bright
sunshine. The palette is what it is. And I've
also seen, whatchamacallit, the... Sucker Punch?
Sucker Punch, yes. My first analysis of a movie
that I should absolutely watch is a bad movie.
No, you don't want to. I don't want to, but...
I don't think it counts as a bad movie, because
it's just middle of the road. Yeah. Well, you
know what? We're getting off topic. It's a lot
of half -baked ideas. Okay. Keep going. So Claire
is here. Yes. Claire! To ask the questions for
us. I am here. You're welcome. Yeah. So happy
to be great. Damn! Damn! My... So let's jump
into it with some questions and answers. Um,
we'll just, we'll go how it goes. Go in a circle.
Go in a circle. But where, where are we? Do you
want to like start somewhere? Ground rules. I'll
read the questions and then afterwards we'll
just give a shout out to all the pods who submitted
the questions. You're going to hand me your phone
because I'll tell you about all the pods who
submitted the questions. So I'll just read the
questions, we'll go over them, and then afterwards
we'll give shout outs. We'll try and keep each
response brief. Yes. Particularly me. Talk as
long as we want. Yeah. Chatty by nature. Nature.
It's part of my charm. All right. So are you
picking who's going first or are we just going
in the same order? I'm just going to read the
questions. You guys can figure out who's answering
first. Excellent. That's not my job. Okay. My
job is just to read. I thought you should just
shout out a person. I expect people to have more
to say on certain questions than others. That's
too much work. I disappear for a brief time.
It's because I'm getting more champagne. Okay.
Okay. Excellent. That means we need to send one
of the men upstairs to open it. Oh, okay. Got
it. I can't even cake decorate my peony little
wrist shake. I was done with the bloodies. I'll
get the champagne. It's not cold. That's okay.
We got ice for that. Oh, we got ice too? One
of the trays is already frozen. One of them is
not. We'll start with the first question, but
Mike will be last. Okay. So, first question.
Who would do better in face -off rules, Nick
Cage in all of John Travolta's roles, or vice
versa, John Travolta in all of Nick Cage's roles?
Hmm. I can't answer that one because... I can't
imagine Nicolas Cage in Grease at all because
I don't think Nicolas Cage can really sing and
or dance. Oh. But I also cannot imagine John
Travolta as a convincing Benjamin Franklin Gates
in National Church. Yeah, I can't see. I'm enjoying
envisioning that. Right. My answer to this question
is not necessarily it would be better, but I
would be very interested in watching Nick Cage
in all of John Travolta's movies. Nick Cage in
Grease? Can we imagine? Yes, please. Saturday
Night Fever? I just can't. It would not be good,
but come on. And Battlefield Earth? Come on now.
See, that's fine. Let's go. Battlefield Earth
with Cage. it a -okay, but Saturday Night Fever
or Grease with Nick Cage? Question mark? Yes.
How about Pulp Fiction with Nick Cage? Yes. I
think that would be okay. I want a Quentin Tarantino
directed Nick Cage. I want to see that. I'm sorry.
Are we talking about Nick Cage not being able
to pull off Saturday Night Fever? Because you're
wrong. He can. He can? He can pull off it. He
can sing and dance? He can sing and dance. Alright,
here's the real question. Nicolas Cage as Tracy's
mom in Hairspray. 100%. You think he can pull
off a convincing Baltimore accent? Because nobody
else in the film could. Do you think John Travolta
can pull off Nicholas Gates? No. Benjamin Gates.
No, I can't. Yeah. Nick Cage. What is there to
pull off in that role? No offense. We've got
to steal the Declaration of Independence, man.
That's a lie. I can't see Travolta convincingly
looking at the camera and say, I've got to. what
was it i cannot see yeah john travolta can't
pull off the secret lies with charlotte man okay
that's one of the most iconic lines in cinema
and it takes a special kind of character to pull
that off that's the level of patriotism i just
don't think the one i got stuck on that made
the difference for me is nick cage could do be
cool but john travolta can't do national treasure
okay okay what about uh the one where nicholas
cage becomes a vampire I am a vampire. I am a
vampire. Oh, yeah. I've never seen that. I still
think I've seen that. But you've seen the scene.
Oh, yeah. Oh, there's also the one where... You
could reasonably fuck Cher. Could John Travolta
fuck Sharon Neistat? Yeah, sure. I think they
both could. I think they both could. Totally.
Not the bees! I can see John Travolta saying
not the bees. What about the iconic Con Air meme
with Nicolas Cage? Can John Travolta have the
breeze in his face and he's just smiling up?
You know what I'm talking about? Okay, I think
what we're asking here is can that actor do as
good a job as the other one did or meet that
same level of performance? Who do you think could
outdo the other in the same role? You know, if
we're just looking at... So, I go back to that
point. If they're trying to outdo each other
like that, my thing is, none of these scenes
would be at the same level because John Travolta
would try to be good at it. Right. Nick Cage
just buys into the insanity. Yeah, he does. Versus
John Travolta would try to be a good actor. Sometimes.
Sometimes. Try. Try. It depends on when we're
catching up with Travolta. I could see Travolta
doing an equally good job in The Family Man as
Nicolas Cage because that's a more subdued role.
But in a film like the one we watched with Elijah
Wood. The Trust? The Trust. I don't know if...
Maybe Elijah Wood's character got slapped in
the face with a stupid stick, but if I was going
along with that plot and John Travolta was in
Nicolas Cage's role, I... would be way more suspicious
of everything. Being like, I don't know, dude.
You seem really intense on getting this safe
open. Okay, final answers. Final answers. Alright.
It's not consistent. I say Nick Cage would be
better in John Travolta's roles. I would agree.
I'm taking Nick Cage to swap John Travolta. I'm
gonna be a sheeple and say Nick Cage as well.
Yes. I'm going to be Switzerland and say diplomatically
that there are some roles that it... No diplomatic.
Boo. Boo. Fine. Nicholas Cage and John Travolta
rules, except the ones where he's singing and
dancing. Boo. Boo. Caveat. No boo. Caveat. John
Travolta can play super. I'm slapping my caveat
slash footnote on there. All right. Full disclaimer,
we have done a Nick Cage episode of this podcast,
and I don't think there are any plans for us
to do the same for John Travolta. No. There is.
I've talked about it. Wait, what? Is there? The
John Travolta episode. We've talked about doing
it. The John Travolta episode. Yeah, because
he's also an actor with a yo -yo career. You
missed the last episode. We were talking about
it last episode where we were saying he would
be another good one. Is he a good actor or not?
It's true. It depends. I'd be interested. There's
a couple of John Travolta movies I need to watch
that I'd be curious of watching. So maybe that's
a good opportunity for that. Battlefield Earth.
But we're talking about bedrolls. That is a bedroll.
I know, we're talking about bedrolls. We want
to give three even movies to try to decide if
he's a good actor or not. seen Saturday Night
Fever and I've heard it's very, it's not what
you think it's going to be. I like Saturday Night
Fever. Yeah. Alright. Moving on. Next question.
Next question. This one is a two -parter. Who
would play you in a biopic or dramatization of
your life? Question A. Question B. If someone
were interviewed about you on a true crime podcast
or show like Dateline, how would you not be described
by a loved one? Because, you know, on Dateline,
they're always like, hey, we're so sunny and
happy and social. You two had a person that would
play you. Yes. Start it off. Okay. I mean, mine's
a very obvious one. I feel like, personally,
it's going to be Michael Cera. Like, it's going
to be nobody else besides her. Yeah. And mine
is a more optimistic. Aubrey Plaza. Optimistic.
Oh, that's fun. I like both of those picks. And
the nice fun fact is that both of those picks
dated each other in real life for a period, so,
you know, really appropriate. I didn't know that.
I had no clue about that. I don't know if it
was a super long time, but yeah. Mitchell, who
would play you? Let's answer this first question
first. Yeah, look, honestly, and I wrote this
down, and I told Kelly, One of my dreams in life
is to wake up one day and look exactly like this
man. And I know it'll never happen, but I am
obscenely attracted to Henry Golding. And I think
he's going to be in a movie. And for that, I
can also say Jason Schwartzman. Jason Schwartzman,
okay. But I see... Jason Schwartzman. Yeah. But
I want attractive, so... Wait, okay. Correct
me if I'm wrong, because I might be wrong. Was
it? Wasn't he in Cinderella with Brandy? Henry
Golding? Yeah. No, he would have been way too
young. I don't know. Are you sure? It's a different
actor. He came out in 1997. It's gotta be. And
like Henry Golding is like what, maybe five years
older? Yeah, he's in his 30s. He's in his 34s.
I don't think he would have been active for that.
Bummer. That actor is a very good looking man
though. In Brandy's version of Cinderella. Okay,
but you know who I'm talking about. Okay. I don't
know who would play me. Macklemore. I know you
said Macklemore. That sucks. So the one that
stuck out to me that, so when, when like Facebook
picture things were a thing, you had to find
a celebrity that looked like you and you put
as your Facebook profile picture for like a week,
celebrity lookalike, Charlie Hunnam pre -fame
looks like me. Okay. Pre -fame. Like, pre -muscles,
pre -everything. Like, I'm trying to, I'm trying
to, I'm looking up his images from before. Young
Charlie Hunnam. But, like, what was his, like,
before breakout role? Well, he was in Sons of
Anarchy. Yeah, yeah. Sons of Anarchy would probably
be. Oh, yep. But before that, he looked a lot
like me because he used a smaller build. No,
like, definitely, like, honestly, like, if we're
getting a highly paid Hollywood actor, yes. Yeah,
okay. Yeah, yeah. Charlie Hunnam is Mike B. Tanning.
Yeah, definitely. He's too muscular for me. I'm
into that. I'm really into that. Yeah, he's too
muscular for me now, but I think a Charlie Hunnam
would have been, yeah. Sure. Decent, decent Mike
B. Tanning. Bias, but I, too, am into that. Charlie
Hunnam's an attractive dude. He is an attractive
dude. Yeah. Um, okay, so the words, what was
it? Um, if someone were interviewed about you
on a true crime show like Dateline, how should
you not be described by your loved one? I have
this. Do it. Manic and disattached from reality.
Jeez. Wow. Wait, like, isn't this like the other,
yeah, okay. How I would not want to be described
is manic and disattached from reality. That is
a tough question. I need to room it down on it
for a second. Okay. Mitchell, you have something
written down. I know. No, the only part of this
question I answered was the actor thing. Okay.
I'm the only one who had a ready answer. No,
not at all. No, no, no. I gave you these questions
ahead of time so that we could be ready, but
yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's funny because I
give you guys the questions and I don't prepare
myself. Right. Well, so the question is if I'm
like... If I'm, like, murdered and I'm on, like,
a date night special or a date night special,
it's like, oh, like, they were always so sociable
and they were always so nice. And it's like when
they're like, okay, no, they weren't that at
all, right? It's like the opposite. Yeah. So
then, yeah, it would just, it would definitely
be personable. And I feel like, I don't even
know, like. Life of the party? Yeah, maybe. I
don't know. Yeah. Oh, life of the party. Because,
like, when I'm with my friends that I know very
well, I'm very sociable. Yeah. Yeah, but, like,
you know, if I'm at a place that I'm not familiar
with, definitely a wallflower, right? And no
offense meant to this at all. Not taken, yeah.
I wouldn't call you the life of the party. Right.
No. No, I don't try to be. You are a very sociable
person. Yes. But, like, I don't... Life of the
party, to me, is the person that strives for
attention. I think of myself more as life of
the party because I strive for attention versus
you. You could be the life of the party by accident.
Okay, that's a good way to phrase it. That's
a good way to phrase it. We're all talking about
you like, oh man, Andre, look at this kid. Look
at him. You know, like that kind of thing. You're
not striving for that attention. So, I mean,
you guys are also thinking about, like, the nice
thing. That's why I want, like, manic and disassociated
with reality, because, like, I interpreted the
question as, like... maybe i'm not the dead person
but i'm like i might be somehow tangentially
involved it's like how would i not want to be
described well like disassociated reality oh
yeah i'm thinking like with jill it would be
it would be like oh man like i don't know she
was so she was always so quiet like didn't really
hear much from her you know i mean like it's
like what but you're still thinking like i don't
know i'm i'm thinking it is the other extreme
rather than being like they just don't understand
my personality. No, I'm thinking as I'm framing
my personality as, like, there were some eyebrows
raised already. Well, what about, like, the first
thing that came to my mind was, like, analytical.
Because analytical can be taken both ways. Oh,
sure. Like, if you're not the person who was,
like, murdered, but if you're, like... Like you
said, like, a part of it. Like, analytical, it
could be either really good or really bad. Oh,
so we're talking, like, she's the killer now.
She's, like, the killer or, like, helped out
the killer. He didn't specify it. He didn't specify
it. He just wanted to say mannequin disassociated
with reality. Oh, okay. So I never took it that
way. I took it, like, I'm face down in a ditch
somewhere, like. Yeah, me too. Me too. I took
it as just, I have it. Like, I'm picturing, like,
I'm picturing, like, like, pans of, like, my
childhood photos in black and white and then,
like, yeah, you know. Yeah. he doesn't yeah all
right all right so like obsessive and quiet yeah
yeah okay there you go okay so if we're going
culprit okay like i would think i don't know
i'm trying to think of what people would describe
me as is like um Oh, he wouldn't hurt a fly or
something like that. You know? Sure, right. Yeah,
but I'm going the opposite way. Like, oh man,
he was cold as shit. Advantageous and socially...
Cold. Yeah. Socially narcissistic. Socially distant.
Socially narcissistic definitely sounds like...
Yeah. Yeah. That's a possible thing people could
have described me as. There you go. We got...
Next question. Oh, my turn. Because Mitchell
didn't have something written down. Mitchell
is clearly never going to be involved in a crime.
Mitchell is too nice to be a killer or a kill.
Mitchell is the guy who's going to fake an FBI
permit and be like, yeah, I'm Detective Smith.
I'm here to solve this. Okay, everything that's
being said, that's my answer. This is why me
murdering you is the perfect crime. That's it.
Okay. If you could live inside of one movie the
rest of your life, which would it be and why?
Okay. Mitchell? Yeah, okay. So the second part
to that question, like the full version, was
they would like for it to be a horror movie,
if possible. So I took that challenge, and this
one's kind of a horror movie. It definitely plays
on the horror tropes, which is why I love this
movie so much, and I think I'd have a lot of
fun playing with the tropes, is Cabin in the
Woods. Sorry. making these horrors in this simulation
or I'm one of the horror movie trope actors.
Either way, as long as I'm cognizant that this
is all made up and I could play around with it,
I think it'd be a lot of fun. I've seen a lot
of horror movies and I think just as long as
I don't die, I'm going to have a blast playing
with these creatures. So you'd be the stoner
who figures it out. Right, okay, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Does anybody else have an answer? Because
I've got a few. So in Mitchell's vein, I picked
a horror movie as well for mine. And it's not
a very well -known, well, whatever. It's Stay
Alive. It's a shitty B -horror movie. I love
Stay Alive! Great, so Jill's with me on this
one. You're going to hang out with Frankie Muniz?
Yes, right. I feel like I would too. So Stay
Alive is... His stupid voice. Yeah. So it's a
horror movie that's just like you die in the
game, you die for real. They're trapped in an
online video game. So bad. It's a terrible movie.
Melvin Dominguez in it for like five minutes.
Melvin Dominguez in this? For five minutes. What?
Yeah, no, it's bad. This is not an endorsement
of the movie. I'm just saying I'm pretty confident
that I could do better at it than Frankie Muniz
did. He falls into a flower bush and he's fine.
Yeah, whatever. Well, yeah, it's an isekai film,
as it were, trapped in another world. It's, you
know, I would say House of Wax is the more entertaining
film, but, like, Stay Alive is just dumb. I'm
more confident in my abilities to make it in
Stay Alive, so that's my answer. I have an answer
that's not a horror film, if I could just be
in a movie, and it's my life. Mr. Mongorium's
Wonder Emporium, because I am all about the childlike
wonder here, and have maintained my childhood
innocence in ways. And I love the idea of this
magical toy store that has just deep philosophical
ruminations on life and death and, you know,
never losing sight of your inner child and all
of the things that can come with that. Because
if you remain innocent and hopeful, good things
will still come to you. And if there is this
toy store and you still have those sides to yourself,
you can enjoy this to the fullest versus being
someone who's aged out of it and, you know. A
block of wood is just a block of wood to them,
but to you, it's all this possibility. And you've
got Dustin Hoffman as a zany old man in this
wackadoo toy store. Why not? Okay, so I've got
a regular answer and a horror movie answer. So
the regular answer would be The Italian Job.
Oh, I've seen that now. Marky Mark? Marky Mark.
No, I'm going Marky Mark version. I love that
film. I'm going to drive a PT Cougar. What color
is your car? Yeah, which Cooper, what color Cooper
do you have? I think I'm going yellow. Okay.
Yeah, I think I'm going yellow with that one.
I thought about the red, but the red's just too
easy to spot. You gotta go yellow. It's crazy,
but yeah. Yeah, because yellow's... I know. Yeah,
I know. Yeah, right. Those school buses, they
don't want people to see those. You're just a
summer woohoo girl. Yeah, right. I used to have
a yellow car. It is a lot of fun. Yeah, exactly.
It's just bright and cheery. But that movie was
just so cool, even though they're driving minis.
You want to hang out with these people. That
is the movie for me, I think. Horror movie? I
think I'm going... That's what I was going to
say if I had to do a horror film. Scream seems
very doable. I like Scream, and then, like, I
would be the Randy. I would follow the rules.
Like, I know the horror movie rules. Right. You
know, so I would follow those rules once I started
learning that, oh, they had sex, they died. Okay.
Chesty belt? Yeah, let's go. Put on the chesty
belt. But, you know, like, I think that would
be the... Yeah. Yeah. If I'm going to be in a
horror movie, I'll join in on this. I'll either
do, like, Ready or Not, or... Yeah. Halloween.
Okay. I'm, like, I might be small in stature
and all of that, but, like, you know what? If
the gloves are coming off and it's life and death,
give me a shotgun, give me a katana, I'm ready
to go. Just study the blade. So I still have
not seen Ready or Not. It's good. That actress,
I can't remember the actress's name, but, like,
she knows exactly her niche film and she's great.
Claire, not biggest horror fan. I dislike horror
movies with a passion. How would you describe
it? You're not. It's really good. It's not that
scary. I mean, it's not scary. No. It's my version
of scary. Because I didn't think it was a horror
movie. No, it's not. It's like horror comedy.
It's the same as like Happy Death Day or that
Vince Vaughn movie. Freaky. Freaky, yeah. It's
in that, it's in this new line of horror film
of like, it's not full horror, but there's tongue
-in -cheek humor. More like Tucker and Dale versus
evil. Oh, that was another one that I thought
about picking. I just want to give Tucker and
Dale a hug. I would be your redneck versus, like,
the kids. Oh, the crazy guy who's like, yeah,
I'm down to kill. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Tucker and Dale versus evil is another
one I thought about. So, are we re -drinking?
I'm just adding ice. Don't worry. Can you top
me off? Can you give me a champagne floater?
All right. Champagne popper. Do it. You're popping
it. Okay. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Close my ears.
Pop it next to the microphone. No. No, no, no,
no. All right, then I'll do it. Oh. Okay. I'm
not afraid. Okay, if your computer crashes, we
know what to do. Yeah, it's on you and I'm going
back to it. I'm going next to the microphone,
but ask the next question because it's going
to take me a while to unwrap. Okay. Wow. What
is the worst movie of all time? Wow, that is
a... I like the second part of the question is
what movie... The franchise? Like, what movie?
No, that's it. This is the single part. Yeah,
you're early for that one. The worst movie of
all time? That's a hard question. Yeah, it's
objectively hard. Yeah. So I'll just, I'll start,
and I'll say this. I view this as being asked,
in a similar way of being asked, what's your
favorite movie of all time? Because if you're
out here saying Citizen Kane or The Godfather,
you probably don't have a personality. You know
what I mean? Yeah. You know what I mean? your
favorite movie of all time should be something
that is, of course, great on its own, but also
you have a personal connection with. So, when
I'm talking about the worst... Pause, Mitchell.
Pause for pop. Okay. Oh, wow. That was loud.
Nice. Blast out your mic. So, if I'm being asked
what's the worst movie of all time, I need to
consider something that I felt personally offended
by when I watched it. Right. And preferably...
if I watched it in a theater because I actually
paid money to see it. That movie, unequivocally,
of the past 10 years that I can remember being
so upset after watching a movie was Batman v.
Superman, Dawn of Justice. Wow. You took my answer,
man. What the hell? tag team this thing it deserves
to be mentioned more than once for worst movie
of all time it's so bad and this is why I can
never get behind Zack Snyder's like versions
of DCEU because it's basically a character assassination
I feel like of both Batman and Superman right
I don't know it's anyways go off Mitchell it's
your pick yeah so it's one of those things where
I remember hyping this movie up in my head, wanting
to believe that Zack Snyder could actually deliver
because he was such a fan of the comics. And
I understood that watching Man of Steel. And
now that they're introducing Batman, I'm like,
okay, he's going to have a Frank Miller type
of Batman in this movie. Yeah. Who I think is,
you know, a fine actor. And let's just go and
see what happens. And then the plot develops.
And we get everything from Lex Luthor and his
portrayal with Jesse Eisenberg. And then we get
everything with how Batman is, he is a vengeful
spirit, don't get me wrong. But when we're talking
about this movie, we are just introduced to him
in this universe, having really no explanation
or any grounding as to why he is such a raging
asshole in this. He's not a hero. And then we
go over to Superman and the whole... the whole
plot point that doomsday is the only thing that
can kill him the only reason why we think that
is because it happened in the comics i again
i just don't feel that there is enough work to
actually hold up any of the plot points that
they're trying to drive and then of course we
get the martha line which is still infamous and
talked about on the internet to this day why
did you say that name why'd you pick that movie
oh i could i think my head was on a swivel that
entire movie because I just kept shaking my head
no for two and a half hours that's another thing
it had the audacity to be that long and we got
a four hour movie now and then people had the
audacity to say oh no just wait for the director's
cut we'll add half an hour to this two and a
half hour movie and we'll make it so much better
and I'm like okay whatever yeah that is the Zack
Snyder bro defense Oh, that wasn't the director's
cut. That's how we get the Snyder Cut. That was
his real vision. Having defended the Twitter
now because I've been attacked by the Snyder
Bros. I just want to say, you can be a fan of
the Snyderverse. You can be a fan. And I am not
attacking you personally when I tweet something
about the Snyder Cut. Because... Literally, we
have been attacked by Snyder Bros. That is who
we are attacked by. We are attacked by the people
that just go to bat for this guy. Versus understanding
what we're saying. I don't think I need to watch
a four hour movie to defend this movie. No, it's
not worth it. Nothing is worth four hours. Maybe
show up. But, like, that's a completely different
film. I just, I don't know. I feel like because
of that, like, I feel like people think, I feel
like there's, like, a kind of consensus out there
that Superman is not, I feel like Superman is
not as popular as he should be because he hasn't
been portrayed in the movies as well as he could
have been, right? I mean, I hate Superman, so
you're not, you're not. Turn to the animated
universe. That's what I mean. Well, okay, yes,
but those are, I mean, they are, they're pretty
popular, but they're not, they're not blockbuster
movie popular, right? You know? You can't convince
me right now that Superman is a character that
I like in any way, shape, or form. There is a
version, I don't even know, I guess whatever.
This sounds mean being armchair quarterbacking
the movie, but All -Star Superman, easy. Read
that. That is the best Superman story ever told,
is All -Star Superman. What about Red Son? Red
Sun's fine, but it leans into the aspect of Superman
that, oh, we got to make it dark. Right, right,
right. No, no, no. It's always like, oh, what
if Superman but evil? And that's a cool story,
but we explored it a lot of times. We're going
on a nerd tangent. Yeah, I know. Well, you played
Injustice, right? Yeah, yeah. So you got that
covered. I would say All -Stars were made before.
I like Injustice, Superman. I'm going to throw
in my movie. Okay, go for it. So caveat here,
preface, I guess. I really like the book. I understand
that the book is not for everybody, but it hits
all the endorphins for me. Ready Player One,
the film. I saw that in theater with a friend
and was furious. Because I like the way the story
of the book works. I didn't understand why they
had to change a lot of the plot components, why
they had to make the... the creator of the, not
the OC, the virtual world. The Oasis. The Oasis.
Why they had to make him. The OC. Way more. Take
your virtual world of the OC. Sorry. Why they
had to change the creator. You know what? Adam
Brody would have been fine. I didn't understand
why they had to make the creator of the Oasis
way, like, yeah, yeah, he got more fleshed out,
James Holliday, but, His obsession with Ogden
Morrow's wife, who's now deceased, is strange.
Okay. Even though in the book that is a component
to it, but it's treated much more delicate. I
really hated the way that they casted Artemis
and how she's supposed to be repulsive, even
though she is a very beautiful woman with a port
wine stain on her face. And fine. And just the
story of the quest. Why did they change it? because
they could yeah i get that so how is it like
i understand something like because steven spielberg
directed this yeah and there are things where
like for example i i understand that the shining
sequence was on the book nope um but i also feel
that that was probably the best part of the movie
because steven spielberg actually had an affection
for that ip it was just like oh this is something
that speaks to me everything else it felt like
oh kids like mecha godzilla like or iron giant
yeah yeah throw the iron giant in there we get
the rights to them right i have read the book
okay the reason is and let's just call it what
it is money yeah money branding very very simple
yeah they couldn't have done so the way that
it works in the book is that there are the three
stages of the quest but within each stage is
like mini stages so find a house to find a thing
opens up a portal and then suddenly he has to
play through the entire version the entire film
of war games as matthew broderick's character
and then the next two parts are find a thing
do a thing do a third thing get a key and as
a book especially if you listen to the audio
version with will whedon reading it it's great
it makes sense but as a film it's not it's slow
it's clunky And then there is all of the internal
monologue of Wade, which... Yes. has problems
in its own, but that does not transfer over well
into the film. No, it doesn't. The way that they
did the film, though, is just people like these
IPs. How many can we fit on the screen at one
time? And this is why we got Steven Spielberg,
because he has IPs. And also, what do we need
to do to get the women in? What do we need to
do to have a villain that's actually not that
scary, but is enough of a mustachio twirling
tool to be like, yeah, we don't like that guy.
Mustachio twirling tool. Yeah. It's true, though.
He used his computer code on his stupid chair.
How dumb is he? I'm not disagreeing. I just find
it funny. I just remember during the final battle
of the film, and I guess in the book as well,
my friend turned to me in the theater. He's like,
isn't this the coolest thing ever? And I just
was like, you're fucking kidding me, right? So
I enjoyed the movie. I agree there's problems
with it. But I enjoyed it overall. This rage
has sparked an answer for me. Okay. And it's
a pretty obvious one, and I think I don't want
to talk about it too much because we might watch
it for an episode later, and that is The Last
Airbender. It's so boring. Oh, yeah. It is so
bad. Well, I was going to say, originally, Batman
and Robin is, like, my worst. Sure. Because it's
also boring. Yes. So, The Last Airbender, again,
we... We're going to watch it. We are. We're
planning on watching it, right? Oh, it's still
happening. I haven't drawn the bingo rules. Where
do you go? So, like, obviously, I mean, Jill
and I, we're huge fans. Is that episode 45? That
might be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, obviously,
we're huge fans of the original Avenue to Life's
Airbender show. I like Korra a lot. I will always
go back to Legend of Korra. So, anyways, very
invested in that universe. And then that's definitely
the movie that I didn't even watch it in theaters
because I heard it was so bad. But we watched
it. I watched it with a group of friends that
were big fans of the show, like, as a joke. We're
like, oh man, we'll have a few drinks, we'll
laugh, we'll make fun of this movie. It'll be
a good time. And it wasn't even that. I am so
glad you brought this up because I saved a meme
that I'm going to post on our Twitter and I'm
going to tag you in because it's literally post
a meme that would piss off your co -host and
it is this. It is related to this. You will see
it after this episode. After I post the episode,
you will see it because I'm going to tag you
in it. I'm going to tag everybody in it. This
movie is problematic for a lot of reasons. We
already discussed it, but... We'll have thoughts
on episode 45. Yeah, we're right. So I won't
dig into it too much, but anyways, Last Airbender,
not even fun to watch drunk and making fun of
it, right? Fails on even that level, so it's
bad. And I don't think you need to hear... an
explanation of my answer, but the worst movie
ever is Yoga Hosers. Yes. It is a big old fuck
you to the audience. Check out our previous episode
where Mike watched Yoga Hosers. Yeah. Mike was
so miserable. I could tell you about this movie
and say all the things, but the number one thing
that comes down to why it's the worst movie is
because the director made it as a big old fuck
you to everybody. I hate films that are like,
my intention was to give, like, people give me
shit for doing films this way, so I'm gonna do
the thing, all the things. that I never... We're
just bringing up Zack Snyder again with Sucker
Punch. This movie was created because somebody
called him a yoga hoser. He made the movie. It
is a big old fuck you. There is Nazi sausages.
Fuck this movie. Okay. That is it. We're going
to move to the next question because I could
get on a rant about this, but really... Check
out our episode. Yeah, check out our episode.
Before I move on to the next question, just want
to say shout out to Ashland, Ohio, because the
author of Ready Player One and Ready Player Two
is from Ashland. And that's why it takes place
in Columbus, Ohio. It does. The desolate city
of Columbus, Ohio. While I have not read the
second book, I will eventually by checking out
of my local library. Support libraries. Support
libraries. My mom is from Ashland, and my whole
family is from there. He's a local hero. Go Ashland,
Ohio. Okay, anyways. Next question. What defines
good acting? I thought we were just going to
do this one. I think we're skipping this one.
Yeah, we're skipping this one. Mitchell has an
answer. Mitchell will answer for all of us. And
we'll edit out some other parts. Now, I've re
-read this answer while this was building up,
and it definitely needs to be fleshed out more,
but I think there's some truth here. So, alright,
quote. If I can forget that I'm watching someone
act. That's simple. If you're getting an emotional
response out of me by what you're saying or what
you're doing, then you're doing a good job. It
has nothing to do with changing your appearance
or voice or mannerisms. An example of that would
be the different portrayals of Steve Jobs by
Ashton Kutcher and Michael Fassbender. Okay?
Did you guys see either of these movies? Nope.
I've heard about the Ashton Kutcher version.
Yeah, okay, so here's the deal. Kutcher was a
big fan of Steve Jobs, like, personally. So his
portrayal was... imitating him almost down to
the T with how he walked, how he inflected his
voice. Michael Fassbender was less concerned
with imitating Steve Jobs and more concerned
with being the character, who is a man who is
so singularly focused on work that he failed
as a father and had to reckon with that throughout
the movie. So that's what it comes down to for
me. Are you saying something that feels truthful?
Am I forgetting? Why, Russell, I forget that
you're playing John Walker. I feel like you killed
that guy. You know what I mean? As a recent example,
if you're not in that space and I feel like you're
just reciting lines or you're just freaking mailing
it in just to cash in a check, which is very
often in a lot of these big budget films, then
a bad acting performance can come from a great
actor. You know what I mean? I'm going to piggyback
off of that and say absolutely. Thinking of Frank
Langella as Richard Nixon and Frost V. Nixon.
Because Frank Langella does not look at all like
Richard Nixon. Period. But he studied the way
that he talked. He definitely did his research
and got into the head of the man. And when you're
watching that film and you get towards the end,
the scene where he's on the phone talking to
Frost about things, and he's definitely had a
few to drink. Franklin Jello 100 % disappears
and he becomes Richard Nixon and when he delivers
the line, it's not illegal when the president
does it, you absolutely buy it. Nice. That's
a great example. I'm going to jump on it too,
saying I think your definition of when you forget
someone's acting is very true. I have a theater
background. When you forget, when you're acting
with someone and you forget, who they are because
you're just enthralled by them, that kind of
thing. A lot of my theater classes, because I'm
very good at cold reading, they would have me
read things. And I think I do a pretty good job.
But then, of course, they bring up the best portrayal
of it. So, for example, they had me read the
scene from Fences. And I think I did a pretty
good job on it. Were you the dad or the son in
the scene? The dad. I was the dad. And I think
I did a really good job in it. I think I really
did. And I'm very proud of that portrayal. But
also, right after that, they decided to play
James Earl Jones playing the same role. And I'm
going, like, I think I did well. I think I did
really well. I'm not going to compete with fucking
James Earl Jones. Like, come on. They're not
going to try to be the next Mufasa? No. No, no,
no, no. I mean, he was so good as Mufasa. He's
like one of the few stable characters across
the original and the remake. Yeah. So that is
my point of just like, you lose the role, you
see the character. That kind of thing. Yeah.
Okay, what question are we on? Okay, next question.
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Excellent. Because we
didn't have one saved. Alright. Keep going. Next
question. What is your favorite franchise and
what franchise needs to call it quits? So two
-parter. Kung Fu Panda. Favorite? Favorite. Okay.
Among others. I figured that was your favorite.
My answer for both of these is Star Wars. That's
a good one. How so? That's very good. How so?
I fully agree. Stop the count. To clarify here,
when you say the franchise, you mean the Skywalker
-associated franchise or all of it? Franchise,
period. Done. Done. Movies? Movies, games, TV
shows. Done. Books are okay. You don't like Mandalorian?
I do like Mandalorian. Okay. That's why I promised
the Skywalker -associated. Can I get into a little
bit of a soapbox here? Yeah. Climbable. And I'm
about to spoil. No, you cannot. And disclaimers,
I'm going to spoil Mandalorian Season 2. Go watch
it. It's fun. It's a fun show. But I'm going
to spoil the end of it, okay? Star Wars, for
me, is a series... I mean, it's iconic. I love
a lot of the movies. But I do think... I think
it's time to stop or re -examine what it is to
be in a Star Wars... Like, what it is... to be
part of Star Wars, right? Because as of right
now, Mandalorian Season 2, it was a huge, like,
it was a huge event. That final episode ended
on Luke showing up and doing a cool lightsaber
Jedi thing. Bad CGI Luke. Bad CGI, that's fine,
whatever. Even though it was perfect CGI Luke.
Cool montage of him, you know, gun, like, you
know, chopping down people with his lightsaber,
doing cool Force stuff, and then taking baby
Yoda away. Grogu. Grogu, sorry. Adult Yoda Grogu.
Grogu. Anyways, um, But the thing is that it
feels like we're just seeing the same characters,
the same tropes over and over and over again.
And it feels like Star Wars has somewhat devolved
into fan service the franchise. And I don't know.
I love Star Wars. I really like that universe
a lot. I like a lot of those movies. I really
enjoy seven out of eight of them, right? Or seven
out of nine, whatever. Anyways. I was like, wait
a minute. There's trilogies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whatever. I enjoy the vast majority of the three
trilogies, right? But... I just, I don't know.
It feels like vast majority. Well, I don't know.
I feel like any Star Wars fans has like a Star
Wars film they absolutely hate. You know, if
you ask any of them. When you have that many
movies in a franchise, it has to happen. No,
totally. Absolutely. I think you have a movie
to hate. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. I think we
know which one it is. I think you have a moment
you hate more than anything else that we have
constantly brought up on the show. Yeah. Rey
Skywalker. I am Rey Skywalker. No. Oh, yes. I
am Rey Skywalker. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Yes. The anger that you're emitting
right now is true. And as a non -Star Wars fan,
I agree that at least if Star Wars is going to
continue, the best stuff, in my opinion... is
outside of the Skywalker side. I want to see
other stories. I want to meet other characters.
You're in a giant -ass galaxy. Why is it the
same people? My biggest hope for the future is
that they said, yes, we are no longer going to
bring up Skywalker stuff. Yeah, they couldn't
resist bringing it back in for Mando, too. I
feel like it's primarily because of the timeline
they set up. Yep. I agree with that. Right. I
don't think Luke is going to be a big part of
it. No, and it's not even just like, I don't
want to see Luke anymore. It's, we need to...
I think we just need to move away from the established
families. This is not Game of Thrones. I don't
need a Kenobi. I don't need a Palpatine. I don't
need a Skywalker to be interested in a Star Wars
product. This universe is vast and interesting.
I want to see more stories with different characters
from different perspectives. It could have been
Cal Kestis who showed up to take Grogu away.
But we know it wasn't going to be because it's
too obscure. Anyways, Star Wars soapbox over.
That's the answer to both of my questions. You
have an answer written down, I know. Yeah, I
mean, the one that I want to keep going forever
is Marvel. I mean, I grew up with Marvel comics,
and then obviously the movies were coming into
actually being good comic book movies as we were
growing up. So I think that's the easy answer.
I owed my side hustle to Marvel, so let's keep
that going. That's it, Nerdstar? Nerdstar, baby.
And then the one that I want to end, Mike. I'm
going to piss you off and say Fast and Furious.
Yes, thank you. But it is ending once we get
to the 11th entry. So, I don't disagree. I don't,
actually. Because the original writer wanted
it to do 10. And so, I would be good with a 10.
I'm actually pissed there's an 11. So, I agree
with you to an extent. going to space now and
yes the thing that i heard is that they're gonna
do a uh cross You know, a movie that features
also the Jurassic Park. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa. I didn't hear that. Dude, what? I
thought that was a joke. Dude, I want to see
a fucking... So is Chris Pratt going to be like,
to the car? Have you seen the Fast and Furious
movies? Nothing's a joke. Yeah, right. No, no,
dude, I want to see... Can't we just get Kaiju
then? I want to see Dom take like a giant fucking,
like, drive down the tail of a T -Rex and do
a huge car jump. Like, I'm down for that. So
what they need to do is bring in the Power Rangers
and then they can have Tommy. They can have timey...
Tommy, dropkick a T -Rex and dropkick a car.
Okay, cool. Once you're bringing up ideas like
that, I think it's time to call it quits. I don't
disagree. I know you said you were going to piss
me off. You're not really pissing me off because
it's true. It needs to end. It just needs to.
And it needs to end before they actually kill
it fully. Hobbs and Shaw almost did it. You know
what? I'm really happy here that I threw out
a franchise that I'm happy that I like and is
done. No more Kung Fu Panda 3 was the end. And
it was nice. It was a great story of a super
fan who got to live his dreams and then teach
the rest of the world that he lives in. Are we
getting another one? No. Oh, okay, great. I mean,
maybe one day, but right now we're just done
at three. Gotcha, yeah. Tight and done. So do
you have one that you want to stop making movies?
I'm like raking my brain in things where I'm
just like, can this just be fucking done? And
I can't think of anything. Because I didn't do
my homework. I have one of you don't. Because
I'm a huge fan of this series. Go for it. Die
Hard. Die Hard needs to be done. It's time to
stop Die Hard. I don't think anybody would disagree
with that after seeing A Good Day to Die Hard.
I don't disagree with that after seeing Die Hard
2. What would you say about... Oh, shoot. Go
ahead. Go ahead. What's it called? I don't know.
Describe it. Yeah, go on. The thing. Harrison
Ford. Oh, Indiana Jones. What about Indiana Jones?
I don't watch that. That's why I'm really bad
at remembering. The next one is definitely The
Laugh. Yes. I think five can be good. Okay. Great.
I also thought four could have been good, and
we all saw that. No, I know. But five they have
said is going to be the end, just in general.
So I would be okay if they do it well, a story
of Indy dying. Okay. Yeah, I think it would be
okay. Or passing the torch, or whatever. Whatever
it is. No, passing the torch would give the idea
that they're going to do more. Right. But it
wouldn't be Indiana. You could do it. You could
do it. But that would be a franchise. There have
been other adjacent IPs that have done the passing
of the torch. I mean, we're getting a fucking
Uncharted movie. Yeah. It's already passed. Well,
like, Sony is definitely hoping that Uncharted
can be their new Indiana Jones. It's not. Fine,
but not with who they cast in it. Oh, wow. You
guys really hate Tom Holland. I don't know. No,
it's just like, just don't buy it. Who or what?
are we watching? We were just saying King Kong,
Tom Hiddleston. Tom Hiddleston could be a nice,
mature Nathan Drake. Mature Nathan Drake. I have
a franchise. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find
Them. Anything. It never needed to happen. I
will preface that I'm not the biggest Harry Potter
fan. As I just accidentally said Lord of the
Rings. Screw you. Lord of the Rings needs to
stop. I'm jumping in there. Let's go. They should
have ended Lord of the Rings at the second book.
I just don't get it. Keep going. Fantastic Beasts
and Where to Find Them. When they announced that
they were making making the five film franchise
it wasn't even like let's start with one and
see how we do no it's just going to be five films
no toe we're diving ahead in the first one i
saw in like a 4d theater with like butt kicker
seats which was pretty cool it was in a jordan
it's out of jordan's furniture so shout out massachusetts
um what they have like okay is that the same
one that has like the the the no he's also obsessed
with jelly beans so like there's like a whole
kid playland with jelly there's a jordan's furniture
in like it's a new england thing It's in New
Haven that has, like, a... Robes course. Yeah,
sure. Why not? Anyway, I saw the first Fantastic
Beasts and wanted to find them in a 4D theater.
It was fine. But was I enthusiastic to see more?
No, let alone pay for it. So when I heard how
the second one did, and they committed, like,
character suicide for, like, one of my absolute
favorite characters, I just... Why? And then
all the stuff with J .K. Rowling. All the stuff
with J .K. Rowling. All the stuff with Johnny
Depp, which they have now rectified. He's not
coming back. But it's just like there's so many
things with this series that they have to bend
over backwards to make it go forward that they
should never have said it's going to be five
films. Right. Because look how hard it is for
them to even get to film number three. Right.
But Harry Potter sells. Harry Potter does sell.
And honestly, that's because people have to mentally
do gymnastics to disassociate Death of the Other.
Yes. So on that note, for as problematic as J
.K. Rowling has been, and I also agree that shit,
man, I don't want to be... I don't know, every
time I... She had writer credit on the first
script for Fantastic Beasts. Right, but I do
not think that's going to hurt the bottom line
that much. Frankly, I think a lot of people come
to Harry Potter, which is fine. You don't have
to interact with a... You don't have to be that
in the know to enjoy a movie, I think, right?
I don't know. All right. Next question. Okay.
Next question is... Hmm. What's a movie... Well,
this kind of goes on the last one, so you can
tell me if you want to answer it or not. What's
a movie that you like that is not well -regarded,
and what is a movie you dislike that is well
-regarded? Okay, got it. Jill has the answer.
Yes. She is going first. So this is a movie that
I don't like that everybody else does, and I'm
bracing for the hate. Christopher Nolan's Dark
Knight trilogy. The fuck? The entire trilogy?
Yeah, she can't do it. We're in a fight. I've
been trying to watch Batman Begins, and every
time I want to bring it up, she's like, I don't
want to do it. We're in a fight. I particularly
do not like Batman Begins. I liked The Dark Knight
until I made my dad watch it, and he literally
picked apart the entire film sitting next to
me. I'm like, oh shit, now I can't unsee this.
And then The Dark Knight Rises, which is arguably
the weakest of the three, has the most obvious
problem. Not arguably, it is. Problem. Yeah,
no, it's bad. Yeah. Not bad. And also, I don't
like what it did to superheroes. Everything has
to be The Dark Knight. And Snyder's... dc i was
about to say like i don't know i feel like mcu
everyone one of the people they like made it
so lighthearted we're not gonna do that right
and then now they're the which is fine now that
they're on top they're like oh man that's fine
but that doesn't change how i feel about my favorite
my favorite batman is um uh val kilmer not val
kilmer uh michael keaton Michael Keaton Batman.
I was going to say, Val Kilmer, we're still in
a fight. No, no, no. Michael Keaton Batman with
Jack Nicholson Joker. Yeah, Tim Burton. 1989.
Yeah, 1989. 1989 classic. Even the one with the
penguin, the second one. Batman Returns, yes.
Batman Returns hits all the points that I like
in a Batman story. Which is why my favorite Batman
is animated Batman Mask of the Phantasm. Yeah,
okay. I want my camp. I was about to say, I think
you guys know my favorite Batman movie, and it's
going to also give Mike a conniption as well.
Which one is it? Lego Batman, baby. That's the
best. Here's the deal. Mike is really pissed.
Batman is one of those characters. He has been
around since superhero comics began. He was at
the advent of it all. I defend 1969 Batman. He's
66. Yeah, 66. I said 69. I was still an 89 Batman.
66 Batman. I own the movie. All I'm saying is
that Batman is one of those characters that can
be interpreted in many different ways legitimately
and still be faithful to a comic book at some
point in its history. At Lego Batman, I'm putting
up there with the Adam West in terms of, oh,
this is camp. And they're really leaning into
it. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Lego Batman, but
I understand what they're going for. So I've
re -watched Lego Batman since your admission
that Lego Batman is your favorite Batman. Yeah.
And I have grown to like it. Okay. But like.
You don't like how they take him down a peg and
make him the laughable icon that he is who dresses
like a bat? Well, it's not even that. It's more
like I like the examination of his relationship
with the Joker. I mean, that's been examined
before. But I don't like his examination of his
relationship with Robin. No, that, I agree. He
needs a Robin. He does. And he shits on the Robin
he gets. He needs a Robin, not to be his, you
know, his patsy surrogate, like he is a surrogate
son, but not the, I agree with what Mike is saying
about how most of Lego Batman treats Robin. Yes.
As the butt monkey. Yeah. It's this laughable
butt monkey who rips off his pants and be like,
I think I'm going to go out in a unitard. Yeah.
Essentially. like you know this orphan who openly
says if I need to get I don't know I like I like
that Robin mostly because he's voiced by me but
you know yeah I mean I like Zach Galifianakis
a lot as Joker but going back to my thing against
the Nolan series is just it's just so bleak shine
some color into it. Well, I mean, and Batman
can definitely be bleak, but speaking to Mitchell's
point, I mean, that's one of the best strengths
of Batman is that he's such a flexible character,
right? He can be camp, he can be grimdark. And
that is why... That's why I can defend 66 Batman.
Yeah. And, like, I own the first two seasons
of Batman, like, Adam West, na -na -na -na -na,
yeah, yeah. And it literally... I can defend
that easily. Sure. Because... It is faithful.
It's of its time. Yeah, and it's of its time.
Yes, and that too. I can defend Batman surfing
against the Joker in a fucking, like, episode.
Like, I can defend that. It's when we get to
Val Kilmer, Batman. Okay, for the viewers at
home, I met Michael Keating. I know. And Batnipple
George Clooney. And Bat Credit Card. And Bat
Credit Card. Yeah, I was going to say that's
like a horrible movie. Yes, that I cannot defend.
And I can watch. Batman Forever, which is the
Val Kilmer one. I can watch that. I can enjoy
it. Even with Crazy Riddler, Crazy Two -Face.
There's things to like about that movie. Jim
Carrey's one of the best things to like about
that movie. Batman and Robin does not exist.
Batman vs. Superman, in my mind, does not exist.
And the Dark Knight series... It hits... Okay,
Dark Knight... There's a Batman for all seasons.
My season of Batman is Michael Keaton, Tim Burton
era. You're not a Nolan fan. It's all good. I
like other Nolan films. It's just that franchise
did nothing for me. What also hurts me is that
on Dark Knight I worked props for it. I didn't
know that. Long story that we're going to get
into apparently. TLDR. My ex -girlfriend's dad
did props for movies that were filmed in Chicago.
I ended up working on Dark Knight. finding small
things. My name's not in the credits or anything
like that. I saw Dark Knight in theaters nine
times. That's great. Because I worked a part
of it. It was literally one of those movies that's
always going to be a part of me. It's the best
movie. It is the best of the Christopher Nolan
movies. I say that even without working on it.
I think it is. I think that's a fair statement.
I don't think anybody's going to argue with that.
But that is another reason why hearing you say
this, and it's, we're still going to be friends
at the end of this. I feel like I'm getting mad
about this, and I just want everybody else to
know, we're still going to be friends at the
end of this. And to be fair, what I don't like
about this movie is tone. But it's not what I
show up what it's not what that's not what puts
my butt in the seat to see a Batman film Why
I've completely disengaged from the Snyder. So
I've never seen Batman be Superman for this very
reason Yeah, no, I looked at that and said that's
not gonna do it for me. That's not the tone And
that's why it's dead to me as well. So yes So
on that bombshell. I feel like I'm on the soapbox
here for this. So, hey, what else was it? What
well -regarded movies? Well -regarded movies
that we like that we do not like. Or movies that
nobody likes that you like. I got my answers.
But, like, yeah, I think I brought this up before.
For a movie that I like that is not well -regarded,
and I guess it depends on who you ask, but The
Last Jedi. Yeah! Yeah! Let me get back on the
Star Wars soapbox. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, no, I'm
with you. And then for a movie that I dislike
that is well regarded, and again, it depends
on who you ask, but I think folks of our generation
for whatever reason have this affection for Space
Jam. Space Jam, I hate to say it, is an awful
movie. It is not a good movie. I made the mistake
of re -watching it as a freshman in college with
my mates and stuff, and I was thinking to myself
this entire time, like, holy shit, this is actually
not only a bad movie, but it fucking reeks. And
I'm a fan of basketball, Michael Jordan's incredible,
not a great actor at all, but none of this movie
worked for me. He is the GOAT of basketball and
acting! He's the GOAT of basketball, I'll give
you that, he's the GOAT of basketball. Awww!
Where's my Cavs shirt? I re -watched Space Jam
four to five years ago with my then -roommates
in grad school, and while we openly acknowledge
it is not a good movie, it is pure, stupid fun
that only could have been made in 1996. Yeah,
but it's not a good basketball movie, right?
But I'm not a basketball... man sure my like
butt monkey basketball basketball movies is uh
full court half court miracle or full court full
court miracle from the disney channel which is
basically juice can't jump and like mike yeah
like mike like mike oh double teamed yeah yeah
look at the irish is a basketball movie that's
a that's a basketball movie yeah look at my examples
of basketball films i will re -watch or I will
watch Space Jam New Legacy just because I'm a
sucker for pop culture but honestly I don't have
high expectations for this thing at all you're
not turning around for Space Jam everything of
this question has hurt me so far what's your
what's a movie that you don't like that everybody
likes or vice versa oh so the movie that I like
that everybody doesn't like I think is obvious
Mortal Kombat Annihilation yeah Mortal Kombat
Annihilation that's the movie I will gladly defend
that movie it's not a good movie I can't support
a movie that kills off Johnny Cage and gets the
best character in the first five minutes. And
the one that recasts Raiden. Come on now. And
they recast Sonya. Oh, they did? Yeah. Oh, Jesus.
You're right. You were too busy being angry at
the Raiden thing. Yes, I was. Yes. There's a
lot of problems with this movie. The reason I
like this movie is because of nostalgia and nostalgia
alone. I got invited to a sleepover in sixth
grade. They rented from Blockbuster, Mortal Kombat,
and Mortal Kombat Annihilation. And we had a
grand old time watching both of them. Nice. So
whenever I watch Mortal Kombat Annihilation,
I think about that sleepover. And so I'm not
going to sit here and say, Mortal Kombat Annihilation,
go watch it. I'm not. But it's one of those movies
I can watch anytime, anywhere, and think of that
and feel good memories. before all those friends
dumped me. And so, it's one of those things where
it's like, that's a movie. A movie that's well
regarded that I do not like. I got one if you
want me to talk for you. Okay, cool. So mine,
it's going to make me sound very dumb. I'm sorry
I did not connect with Lincoln from 2012 at all.
I don't know why. And this is interesting because
we're carrying on from the question of what's
good acting. Daniel Day -Lewis, obviously, in
the conversation for goat actor, basically. And
I'm not going to discount his performance as
Abraham Lincoln at all. It's very, very well
acted. I was not entertained. I was very... I
don't know. Like, maybe I wasn't in... The last
time I saw this movie, I was probably a senior.
Or... No, I would have been a freshman in college.
This is when this came out. This came out after
There Will Be Blood, right? Yes. Yeah, okay.
Yes, and There Will Be Blood. I love that movie.
That's a great movie. Like, I'm definitely entertained
by that movie. So, I kind of... Maybe... That
might have been part of it. That's why I brought
it up. I went in with those expectations, I guess,
right? And obviously, Daniel Day -Lewis turns
in a fantastic performance. That's the one thing
I remember about it, though. And everything else,
I was just like, man, like, this just feels like
a very high -budget History Channel movie, almost,
you know? And I feel like it sounds so anti -intellectual,
I guess, but I just didn't connect with it. And
that was the movie that kind of swept the whole
entire awards that season, right? So I was like,
I don't know, man. Swept a lot of them. Yeah.
was definitely in for Daniel Day -Lewis. I don't
remember other parts of the movie being earning
awards. It definitely was nominated. Who played
Mary Todd was nominated. Was it Sally Fields?
They like her. They really, really like her.
So, Andre, I watched that movie with my mom at
the Arclight in LA, which is out close, which
is awful. But when we watched it, That was a
year in college where I was taking a class in.
I was a poli sci major and I was taking a class
on Congress and basically the history of it and
how it works and all that kind of stuff. And
part of it, we had a lab where we all played
a different congressman and tried to push out
legislation and all that. So we were actively
participating in that process. And that's what
that movie is about. So it hit me at the right
time where I was like, whoa, like, you know,
mid 19th century, they're doing this. And I was
just that's what the plot is. boring as hell
and you could ask my mom if she thought it was
boring because she started snoring in the middle
of this movie that's the only time i've ever
seen her fall asleep in a movie and she was like
that she was boring yeah and and i want to back
up i want to back up and i want to say i don't
need a movie to have superheroes and fight scenes
in it i was not expecting i was out like, watching
this movie, hoping, right, I was not hoping that,
that Daniel Day -Lewis would punch a guy out
or something, I was not expecting that, I, but,
yeah, for whatever reason, I just didn't connect
to it, and I think, yeah, I don't know, it makes
a lot of sense, I think now that, uh, for better
or worse, I'm a little bit more, um, aware about
the political machinations of our country, and
so maybe a rewatch now would be a little bit
more interesting, but, you know, so, it is a
boring movie, it is a boring movie, it is very,
it's a slow burn, but in the worst way, right,
I, I, yes, I'm glad you brought up falling asleep
during a movie because I've got one. Okay. A
well -regarded movie that I did not like that
I fell asleep four times during. In one sitting?
Two sittings. Okay. Gladiator. I've never seen
it. What? Wow. What? I've never seen it. Gladiator.
when you watched it. Yeah, what? So the first
time I tried to watch it, I fell asleep three
times during, and I was younger. I'll admit,
I was fully younger. Okay, well, what's fully
younger mean? Are you talking like 10? I'm talking
10 or 11. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when I watched
it, and I was like, this is fucking sick. I did
not like it. Got it. Okay. I'm very interested
now. Yeah. Then I tried to watch it again at
probably 17, 18. Oh. And I fell asleep again.
Wow. Jeez. Damn. Wow. So four times total trying
to watch this movie twice. Okay. Fair enough.
Gladiator, I don't know what it is, but something
about it just puts me to sleep. And I think I
can defend all of the actors in it because it's
Joaquin Phoenix, it's Russell Crowe. I've seen
them in thousands of other movies that I'm like,
these guys are great. Thousands. I've watched
The Nice Guys like 40 times. Yes. Russell Crowe's
from Joaquin Phoenix. Kelly just watched that.
It was her first time watching it. It's such
a blast. We just watched it maybe like three
weeks ago? Yeah. So Claire saw it for the first
time three weeks ago. What did you think of it?
It was good. I mean, it was weird. It was weird.
It was weird. But I did like the Ryan Gosling
Russell Crowe Russell Crowe mix. I thought they
actually worked really well together. Me too.
I've seen Russell Crowe in thousands of other
things. The only other thing that I would say
I don't like him in is Les Mis, but that's also
because he can't sing. What was the movie that
he was in where he was like a naval commander?
I think it was called The Commander. Master and
Commander? Master and Commander. Yes. And he
was great in that. And that's another movie that's
like... compared to other things? Sure, it's
a... Well, that one, I... Yes, yes. Okay, sure,
yes. You could say that you could fall asleep
to that. You could definitely... I can never
imagine somebody falling asleep to Master and
Commander. I watched that. I did not fall asleep.
I did not fall asleep. I made it through. I made
it through. Oops, you're here at the table. I
fell asleep to Gladiator four times in two watchings.
And three in one, one in another. So I will say
that Gladiator is probably that movie that's
well regarded. That I just don't care for. Well,
I have nothing to say against it. Yeah. That
is your experience. That is your truth. And I'm
happy you have this platform to express it. Remember,
the first two movies pissed me off. It can piss
you off. Yeah, right. We can still be pissed.
I enjoyed it, but I'm not like really Scott is
the goat or anything like that. Yeah, right,
right. It's not like I'm going to lose sleep
at night. All right, what were you going to say?
I was saying we're going to need to watch Gladiator.
I want to watch Gladiator. I might try to watch
Gladiator again. What was it? Real quick, bad
movie that you like that you don't, that no one
else likes? Annihilation. So it was a highly
rated movie that you didn't like. Yes, and I
gave that. or under -regarded movie you like.
Okay. Annihilation, I would say, isn't underrated.
I think it's underexposed, I would say. You know?
Annihilation? Annihilation, yeah. Jill just mentioned
that. No, I thought that's what you were asking
Mike to clarify. Yeah, because I said Mortal
Kombat was a... Oh, Mortal Kombat. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. Mortal Kombat, Annihilation. And my
brain went to Annihilation. Oh, Annihilation.
My movie that I like that I think a lot of people
don't... you know, passed off as a joke was Kung
Fu Panda 1. Sure. Because it's the movie with
a kung fu fighting panda. I would say that that
movie, you, well, and to be fair, like, when
you're like, yeah, let's watch Kung Fu Panda,
I'm like, really? Like, I'd rather watch, like,
a Pixar movie, and then we watched, and I was
like, okay, like, this movie has some heart to
it, you know? Yeah, and then you guys, you've
seen the second one, and you were like, this
is, this is... bad. I still remember the first
one when basically Japan just goes, wait, how
did America make a better Japanese or China?
Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. How did China went
like, how did America make a better Chinese movie
than we did? How could they tell our stories
better than anything we can do right now? Right.
Alright, we got one more question because we're
running out, but I want to get to this question
personally. Okay. It's a great question. Yes.
Are we ready? Yes. Sure. What's your favorite
Vin Diesel movie? Oh. Iron Giant. Wait, was that
a question? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Where was that? Question
12. Yeah. Question 12? Let me see if I answered
it. Oh, I got one. Okay, I got one. Yeah, I got
it. Okay. Okay. Iron Giant's great. Elaborate,
Jill? I mean, it's been a while since I have
seen this film. I will openly admit to that.
However... As a rather monosyllabic robot, you
feel for this character, especially as the plot
plays out. First of all, he's discovering Earth
and all of its nuances and emotions, for lack
of a better word. And then in the second half
of the film, when he starts to remember what
his actual purpose is, the message of the film,
you are who you want to be, really resonates.
And at the end of the film, when he... You know,
the American government has sent a nuke to destroy
the town. And he's like, well, I can go and stop
it. And he goes off and he, you know, you hear
Hogarth. You stay, I go. Yes, you stay, I go.
And he flies up and he's going towards the missile.
And you hear Hogarth's words. You are who you
want to be. And he smiles and says, Superman.
Superman. Oh. Oh, my God. It is a great role.
Yeah, it's a great role. And he does a lot with
little. Brad Birdman. Talented guys. Yeah. Anyways.
Brad Bird. Yeah. Holy shit. I forgot that was
Brad Bird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's. Brad Bird
did The Incredibles. Yeah. And I would say that,
you know, on the final thing, on the final pin
on Iron Giant is the way that it ends is like
the best way to do a film without actually, without
sequel baiting, but also leaving it open -ended.
Leaving it open -ended. Yes. Exactly. Right.
Like, I don't need an Iron Giant 2. I know. But
I prefer not to have it. I don't want it. But
I like knowing. I like knowing the way it ends.
Yeah. Yes, I agree. And I think that's why M.
Groot works so well. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
like, in terms of favorite movie, like, I'm not
considering performance as the reason why I'm
picking this, but it is the Iron Giant, and then
Guardians is right up there. But for favorite,
I will say my favorite performance of his is
actually from the first Fast and Furious movie.
Yeah. Okay. I'm with you on that. I'm not bored.
The reason being is because there's a real character
arc there. that he has to portray not only through
his vocal performance, but from his presence
on screen, where at the beginning, you're on
Paul Walker's point of view, and you have to
feel that Dom is a threat, and he's a criminal,
and that you have to be scared of him in some
regard. And over the course of an hour and a
half, he becomes someone who becomes a confidant
and actually helps out Paul Walker, and that
character arc, I think, plays out in a really
smooth way. you know, family and all that shit.
You buy it at the end that they are family. Fast
and the Furious 9 does not happen without Fast
and the Furious 1 Vin Diesel. Right. Oh, for
sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly because the
other two better answers were taken. I think
my choice is The Chronicles of Riddick. I've
never seen it. Yeah. It's good. We're going to
be related. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Keep going. But
anyway, so yeah, I don't know. This is like kind
of the first, I mean maybe it came out at the
right time for me, but that's like a multimedia
release, right? Because they made a movie and
then they made a video game tie -in directly
related to the movie, right? And Vin Diesel showed
up for both of them. And I would say that Chronicles
of Riddick is not a particularly excellent movie.
It's a lot of fun. It has Katie Sackhoff from
Battlestar Galactica in it. I don't know. It's
a good, fun, post -apocalyptic sci -fi romp.
But it was just the fact that That was kind of
the first movie that also had a tie -in game,
video game that was also very compelling and
that Vin Diesel actually showed up in Metal Cap
for. So that was kind of like the first exposure
of like... Vin Diesel, very invested in this
character, very invested in the sort of geek
side of things, right? Like, we know he's kind
of like a well -known D &D dungeon master now,
I guess, right? Now we do. So apparently he really
pulled for Riddick to be like a video game. He's
going to be in Dungeons & Dragons the movie.
Oh, man, that's awesome. Yes. At least I think
so. He's got a movie made about his D &D character
from The Last Witch Hunter. All this is to say
is that Chronicles of Riddick is the next name
that comes up in franchises when I think of Vin
Diesel. But false. I appreciate him for that.
Anyway, sorry. But false. But false. But false.
But false. He played Riddick once before. He
did. Pitch Black. Yes. And Pitch Black is my
answer. Yes. Okay, got it. I would probably choose
Iron Giant or Guardians of the Galaxy Groot before
this. But Pitch Black was my first answer that
was off the beaten path. Okay. He played Riddick
in Pitch Black, and he was awesome. He was threatening.
He was compelling. He was everything I wanted
him to be in this movie. Right. And then Chronicles
of Riddick came after. And Chronicles of Riddick
is still good. Sure. They dumbed down Riddick.
They did. No, I agree. They hit him in the face
with a death stick. Like I said, my answer is
mostly for going all in on the multimedia part
of the movie and game. But yeah, Pitch Black
is great. So Pitch Black is my answer. Yeah.
Because of his character of Riddick, it was everything
I could want more. Okay, so we've hit all the
questions. We have more. We can do it on another
time. But I think this is a good spot where everybody
feels a little we're good. I'm going to give
some shout -outs to the people that asked these
questions. The person that asked the face -off
question was Shoot the Flick, which is Scott
and Frankie at Shoot the Flick. The biopic, the
dateline question was Malice Podcast. That's
Ariel. She is at Malice Podcast. uh if you can
live inside a movie for the rest of your life
that was and the horror movie is they're terrified
and tipsy which is courtney and stephanie they
are at tipsy pod uh worst movie of all time was
scotch and sports at scotch underscore sports
um there was another part to this question i
just want to address them because she's awesome
uh that is um Hers is not before coffee podcast.
That's Ray. She's at need underscore three underscore
mugs. What defines good acting was from two takes
podcast at T takes podcast. What's your favorite
franchise slash what franchise needs to call
it quits is first episodes podcast. That's at
first EPS podcast. What's a movie you like that
is not well regarded? And that other part is
to geek or not to geek podcast. They are at to
geek podcast. Who am I missing? I think the only
other one I'm missing is number 12. What's your
favorite Vin Diesel movie? That is no highway
option podcast at no highway pod. We are possibly
jumping on their show later. They are awesome.
They watch a movie and compare it to Vin Diesel's
The Pacifier. I was going to say, I love The
Pacifier. Yes. Yes. No love for The Pacifier.
I've never actually seen it. I feel like I have.
I just don't remember it. Well, so we're on vacation
this week. We have talked about going on their
show. Whoever goes on their show, if we are available.
has to watch two movies, it feels like. Whatever
movie they suggested, which I can send to you
guys, and The Pacifier. I'm busy this week. Mitchell
just became super busy. Yeah, me too. I am busy.
I'm moving things. Mitchell is actually busy.
You guys... What's our excuse? Yeah, what's your
excuse there? Watch The Pacifier. They say it's
one of the better movies. Okay, sure. I'm just
going to take a hearty swig of my beer and say
sure. The Pacifier is a Disney movie, right?
Yes. I think it is. It's on Disney Plus, I think.
What, you don't remember the Pacifier ride we
went on in Disney World? Just kidding. How could
I forget? That's what Boss Baby is based off
of. Oh my god, Boss Baby. We want to thank you
guys for joining in. asking us questions. We
wanted to give you Dragon Ball Evolution. We're
going to put that on a clubhouse later in the
future. Watch our Twitter at GameForAMovieP1.
Thank you guys for asking us these questions.
It was a fun episode. I feel like we passed almost
no time at all and we're sitting here at an hour
and 18 minutes. Damn. Time flies when you're
having divisive movie thoughts. Right. And that's
exactly it. And so I think it was a lot of fun
for us. Thank you guys for asking your questions.
We will join you for episode 33. Hopefully I
have a better computer by that time. We'll see
what happens with that because it's a constant
guess of whether my computer is going to act
right or not. I've been your host, Mike. And
Jill. And Mitchell. Andre. And Claire, who stepped
away for the second, but she asked us the question,
so we're thankful for her. Thank you, Claire.
Thanks, Claire. Thank you guys for tuning in
to Game for a Movie, where we ask, are you game
for a movie? We'll see you next time. Bye. The
Dark Knight was a good movie, Jill. Damn. What
the hell, man? I didn't say it was a bad movie.
Just my dad ruined it for me. Okay.