In a world with terrible movies, four friends
compete against each other to watch the worst
of the worst. After seeing the movies, they come
together and review them for your pleasure. Who
saw the worst movie? What did they think of it?
Was it really that bad? Challenges are different
every week, but Andre, Mike, Mitchell, and T
-Dog have to have their wits about them. No one
wants to see a bad movie, so to be forced to
is the worst thing imaginable. Can they stay
off the loser board and not have to see a bad
movie? Their time to lose this week. The answer
to these questions and more on Game for a Movie.
Yeah, that's the sound of another Game for a
Movie starting. It is MCU edition. Whoa, whoa.
All right, let me turn my volume down a little
bit. Are you hearing the music? Are your ears
okay? Dude, I nailed it, right? Buddy. Buddy.
I nailed that. I love your enthusiasm. We are
going to go over all 22 MCU movies, the Infinity
Saga, as it were. That's a lot. Yeah, it's going
to be a lot. We're going to break it into three
parts. By the way, I'm your host, Mikey Tech.
I am joined by... Mitchell Clements. And Andre
Bellinger. We're using our full names now. We
are using our full names now. It did catch me
off guard. It threw me off. I was like, oh. Because
you've always been Mitchell. You've always been
Andre. I've said my name every time. It's true.
And then we have T -Dog missing, obviously. Well,
T -Dog is his full name. Not everyone knows that.
So the reason T -Dog isn't here is because he
didn't sign the event. Was it the Sokovia? Yeah.
He's unwilling to reveal his secret identity.
You know, good old Civil War. Andre versus T
-Dog. You know what, man? I'm team Iron Man the
entire time, so Andre, I have to be under your
team. Sick. You got it. All right. You have my
axe. I don't know what I'd fight with, but you
have it. I'm sure it'd be an axe. I'm sure it'd
be something badass. Great. Yeah. Team T -Dog.
I have it for you. Woof. You're Team T -Dog.
Well, you have to, because then it's unfair.
We have four of us. We have to split. Oh, okay.
Otherwise, like, it's like, nonchalant. It's
when Black Widow and... Hawkeye were fighting
in Civil War. We're still friends, right? It's
funny. They have another fight scene later on
in their relationship. They do have another fight
scene later on in their relationship, but we'll
get to that. There will be endgame spoilers.
We're going to hold it until the end so you can
listen to the MCU talk, you can understand where
our placement is, and then you can get spoiled
if you haven't seen the movie yet. Fair? Fair.
Absolutely. All right, so we're going to split
this into three parts. The first part is movie
22 on your list to 15. You're just going to read
your list. We'll talk about that section in a
little bit. Then 14 to 8, and finally 7 to 1.
Cool. Okay? All right. So we will start off.
I guess I'll start. Yeah. You're going from the
bottom up, right? I am going from the bottom
up. All right. Movie 22. I included the two I
have not really seen. I kind of have seen it,
but bits and pieces. But the two, and I don't
think there's really going to be much argument
on this, the two at the bottom are Thor, The
Dark World, and Incredible Hulk, 22 and 21. Check
and check for me. Yep, same. I was just going
to say they're interchangeable probably, but...
I'm just a bigger fan of the Hulk than I am of
Thor, at least that version of Thor. That's fair.
That's very fair. Number 20, I have Iron Man
3. 19, Thor. 18, Iron Man 2. 17, Avengers Age
of Ultron. Okay. 16, Captain America The First
Avenger. Ooh, interesting. Okay. And then 15,
Ant -Man. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. For me, at least,
because I am going to defend Iron Man 3 in my
next section. Sure. But for First Avenger. Now,
obviously, it's the weakest, in my opinion, of
the Captain America movies, and that's including
Avengers 2 1⁄2, which was, of course, Civil War.
Of course, I agree with that. On a rewatch, I'll
say this, and especially with Endgame in mind,
and that's the thing. That kind of changes your
relationship with some of these movies because
of how Endgame incorporates different characters
and their stories. going way back to their first
films. So I look back on it much more fondly.
And I thought it was such a genuine way of showing
the character of Captain America. I thought it
was a great character setting in general. And
Chris Evans bursting onto the scene when we've
already seen established guys like Robert Downey
Jr. and then Chris Hemsworth and Thor, who I
thought both were well cast. He absolutely blew
me away. Probably just more so for the performance
of him than it being set in World War II, which
I'm a sucker for when it comes to movies. So
I rank it a little bit higher, though obviously
not anywhere in my top ten. But I really appreciate
that movie. Probably more than most. So my list
is very much on re -watchability. And if I'm
sitting down to watch a Marvel movie, I'm not
watching First Adventure. That's the only reason
I think it's that low. It's a long movie. drawn
out it's um it's just one of those things where
i i i just don't want to watch it again you know
that's really it and so that's why it's so low
on my list it's not that i'm saying it's a bad
movie i don't think really any of these are horrible
movies Yeah. Thor The Dark World, maybe. Incredible
Hulk, maybe. Like I said, I haven't really seen
them. I've just seen bits and pieces and haven't
been excited to go back and watch it. Right.
But maybe those are. But everything else from,
like, 20 on, Iron Man 3 was my 20. Like, I would
watch Iron Man 3 again. I would watch Captain
America First Avenger again. But compared to
these other movies, I'm not. hooting and hollering
going i need to watch captain america first avenger
again that's a good point because when it comes
to these movies kevin feige marvel and now disney
they make these on the hope that you're going
to re -watch it in a theater right that's right
they're going to cash in their money so re -watchability
absolutely has to be a part of the equation oh
sure yeah look at these movies yeah I would say
that I'm kind of with Mitchell on this one in
that when I first saw it in the theaters, I wasn't
super hot. It was fine, but it's gotten better
with age for me. With each rewatch, just the
way it fits, not even just with Endgame, but
also I rewatched all the Captain America movies
in a row after Civil War, and I thought that
three -movie arc is really strong, and that's
a huge part of it. It is my strongest three -movie
arc by far, and I don't think anybody would disagree
with that because Thor... Two out of three ain't
bad. Yeah. And, like, Thor 1 is, eh? Yeah. You
know? It's like, there's totally different trilogies,
but I do kind of look at the first Avengers similar
to how I look at Batman Begins, in that, like,
it's not my favorite of those three by far, but
they got a lot right on the first try, and, like,
more than it usually gets credit for, I think.
Okay. But, yeah, so. Okay. That's fair. That's
just the way it fell on my list, just based on
watchability. Cool. Mitchell? Yeah, so no surprises
down here. Dark Worlds, 22. Incredible Hulk,
21. Iron Man 2, I have at 20. Then Thor at 19.
Age of Ultron, 18. Captain Marvel at 17. It dropped
a lot farther down the list than I'd expected
so early. Definitely. Ant -Man and the Wasp at
16, though a very fun movie. And number 15, Doctor
Strange. Okay. Yeah, I thought that was a very
so -so movie. Yeah. The one redeeming thing,
I do like Benedict Cumberbatch. Batch's performance,
it's fine. It reminded me a lot of House. Yeah,
no, to me, it was just, it felt like Iron Man
1, except that the main character was House.
Exactly. That's kind of what it felt like to
me. And Robert Downey Jr., from a charisma standpoint,
just blows Benedict out of the water in that
kind of role. I agree. And then, I will say this,
some love for Doctor Strange, the battle sequence,
or the, you know, the big bad at the end, Numanu?
Is that his name? Dormammu. Dormammu. So anyway,
Dormammu. Great. So, That's why it's at 15. But
I will say this. A lot of these... Dormumu. Got
it. Dormumu. A lot of these Marvel movies kind
of fall into the same trope of like, you know,
it's your equal. It's like the evil version of
Iron Man is like your first big villain. This
was a creative way of having a battle. It wasn't
punching. It wasn't blasting. It was actually
outsmarting the villain. It was outsmarting the
villain. And I absolutely love that. So I give
it a little credit for that. When I saw it in
theaters, I really disliked that. Like, really
dislike that. And it's grown on me since. Because
I do agree. It's not punches. It's not... It
didn't even rely really that much on, like, the
Doctor Strange magic, that kind of thing. Right.
Besides the Time Stone, obviously. Which is a
huge part of what he does. Exactly. Which is...
Yeah. But besides that, it really was, hey, I
figured it out. If we're fighting for eternity,
you can't hurt Earth. And, like, that was okay.
It took me until, like, that second, third watch
where I'm like... oh yeah, that kind of... It's
a creative way to beat a villain. Yeah. So he
wasn't like, you know, teleporting him to another
dimension. Right, exactly. And it wasn't just
like... oh, all of a sudden, I found this magical
power or this new strength or anything like that.
No, it was the natural part of the story, right?
He had mastered the Time Stone. He understood
how to use it, and he used it in a pretty inventive
way, at least to the audience and definitely
to him at the moment. So very cool with that.
So any questions with that, guys, with what I
had? Well, I don't know. It seemed pretty...
I'm going to say Captain Marvel seemed a little
low. Oh, I'm with you. Yeah. So this is definitely
a thing where, Me and Andre saw it together.
And I was immediately lukewarm. Like it was good,
not great. It was middle of the road Marvel for
me. And I thought it would have been closer to
14 than 17. That's what I'm saying. I'm not surprised
that it's in the middle. I'm surprised. low middle.
Yeah, and I guess for me, I'm looking at the
movies ahead of it, and I won't spoil, if you
want to call it a spoiler, of who's in my next
section, but for Doctor Strange, there was that
third act, and I love the visuals and the learning
stuff with the Elder. That was cool with the
visuals. Yeah, so there was a lot I liked there,
and Ant -Man and the Wasp, especially following
Infinity War, was just a breath of fresh air
where like, okay, let's just have fun for two
hours. And Paul Rudd is an American treasure,
so... I love Paul Rudd. I love Paul Rudd. So
just immediately looking at those two, I'm like,
Captain Marvel just didn't do it for me. Even
though there was a lot to like, you know, there's
a lot to pick apart as well. A lot of the music
choices were really on the nose. The stuff that
happened in space, which, by the way, they opened
with, is pretty unengaging, in my opinion. A
lot of the best stuff was on Earth. I also don't
like how they revealed the... plot or like they
just they never really explained her backstory
it's just she pieced it together kind of because
she saw it all yeah yeah and that was another
thing that was like and i won't give them credit
for doing a kind of um backwards origin story
where it's the hero discovering that she is the
hero yeah like you know she's discovering her
own backstory it's not her living through it
as it's happening you know sure so i Give them
a little credit for trying that, though I don't
think it landed for me. Not really, yeah. I just
felt like her character... I just... I don't
know. I'm not going to say it was inconsistent,
but, like, sometimes she was snarky, sometimes
she was, like, kind of, you know, a fish out
of water, you know what I mean? Like, where...
Like, I don't know. She seemed, at times, well
-adjusted to Earth culture, and other times that
she was just totally foreign, if that makes sense.
So, like, are they going for a Thor thing? Are
they going for... There were two directors on
this project, and that could be an inconsistency
in directorial vision of what this character
and his movie should be. And I will say this,
and this is not a knock -on. specifically Captain
Marvel because I think Marvel as a whole has
an issue with this. When you get to the CGI fights,
man, are they boring. In my opinion. There's
a lot of CGI fights in Captain Marvel. If we're
picking nits here and this is what we're doing,
we're making a list. Captain Marvel takes a couple
hits from me because of those things. For sure.
Andre? This is with the caveat that I have not
seen either Ant -Man, so don't really bear their
ranking in mind. I haven't seen them yet, but
I plan on it. I still can't believe you haven't
seen either Ant -Man. I don't know. I enjoy them.
I'm sure there's movies that we have. Especially
after watching Endgame, I want to watch more
Ant -Man. Anyways, so number 22, Incredible Hulk.
Number 21, Thor Dark World. 20 is Iron Man 2.
19, Ant -Man and the Wasp. Then 18 is Doctor
Strange. 17, Ant -Man. And then 16, Captain Marvel.
And then 15 is Avengers, Age of Ultron. Okay,
I was going to say Avengers is done. You took
a really good pause there. I was like, whoa.
Avengers done. I hate that movie. So I have a
question for both of you. Just because it's based
on going on my list too. I had Iron Man 3 as
worse than Iron Man 2. Yes. I was actually going
to follow up on that. So why do you guys have
Iron Man 2 worse than Iron Man 3? Because I feel
like Iron Man 3 actually is a story about Iron
Man and Iron Man 2. almost feels like a setup
for the Avengers. I feel like Iron Man 2 was
the first movie where they're like, oh man, they
have so much other stuff going on. Age of Ultron
also fell into this too, where Age of Ultron
was a sequel. It set up so, yeah, anyways. Yeah,
I don't know. All of this stuff, the whole entire
middle section of that movie where Thor, where
Thor, wow, where Tony Stark is trying to figure
out how to create a new element, none of that
was really all that great. That didn't really
do much for me. Yeah, and then, yeah, I don't
know. The villain falls flat for me, too. I don't
know. Very lukewarm. Yeah, for me, and you're
going to notice this as the list goes on, and
I will point this out. I could name the director
for each and every one of these movies in my
top ten. So, I... And I will say this, I don't
know who directed Iron Man 2, but Iron Man 3
was directed by Shane Black, famous for lots
of things, like Beeple Weapon, The Nice Guys
with Ryan Gosling, and Russell Crowe, which I
absolutely love. Great movie. He definitely has
a vision, and he definitely reuses a lot of themes
in his movies. And I felt like for Marvel, this
was one of the first times that they allowed
a director with a really distinct style to have
fun with the character. This was set during Christmas,
which is a very Shane Black. thing um this is
a very um introspective story because we have
tony basically on his own pepper's not in it
really until the very end right uh this is him
kind of discovering not only the flaws that he
has in relying on being Iron Man, which is a
lesson he carries forward in Homecoming and the
future Avengers movies and stuff. But it's also
something where he realizes that he could also
be a better person, which again leads into Homecoming
and the relationship he has with Peter Parker.
For sure, if you look back on the relationship
you have with the kid where he crash lands in
Iron Man 3. So I think from a character standpoint,
I thought Iron Man 3 did a lot of great things.
It dealt with the quote -unquote PTSD, if you
want to call it that. something that serious
with the events of Avengers yeah which was which
was a big part of it it was honestly I need to
watch it again because it's been such a long
time but I remember feeling pretty surface level
where like oh man like he's like yeah he's received
brief flashes of the Avengers like the actual
fight scenes from Avengers and like They don't
go deeper than that. I feel like PTSD can be
a topic that you can really delve into. That's
part of my problem with Iron Man 3 and why I
have it low. By the way, Iron Man 2 was Jon Favreau.
Was it still Favreau? It's still Favreau. And
that's why he did Chef afterwards because he
felt the pressure of all these studios making
him do what they wanted him to do. And so he
made Chef because he was like, alright. I'm doing
this on my own. Yeah. That did not feel like
a Jon Favreau move. Right. So there's got to
be a lot of meddling, right? Yeah, sure. And
so that's what I think part of it is. My problem
with Iron Man 3 and why I have it lower is the
PTSD I thought was a great point, actually. Sure.
Which I thought they should have driven more.
Yes, we're in agreement there. Yeah. The problem
is it felt like next movie it kind of dropped
it. Yes. And it was just like, oh, he's over
his PTSD. And that's kind of like the reality
of having multiple directors on this train of
Marvel Cinematic Movies. And then they tried
to reveal that the bad guy was a different bad
guy at the end. Yeah, I thought that was a little
sloppy. I give him credit, but... Fucking Ben
Kingsley is the Mandarin. What's wrong with Ben
Kingsley? I loved Trevor Slattery. I hated Mandarin
to Trevor Slattery. Gotcha. You know what I mean?
Yes, yes, yes. And so that's what pissed me off.
So that's part of the reason as well why Iron
Man 3, I can't forgive it for that. I can't.
Okay. Sure, that's fair. Alright. So we go to
14 through 8. 14, I have Captain Marvel. 13,
Doctor Strange. 12, Ant -Man and the Wasp. 11,
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. And then 10,
Black Panther. 9, Iron Man. And 8, Avengers Endgame.
8. I think that's solid. To be honest, a movie
that just came out, you're really fighting the
recency bias there. Definitely. Well, the thing
was, I didn't really like it as much as other
people did that I've talked to. I thought it
was good. It was a good representation. We'll
jump into this, but... I felt it was very fanservice
-y, just to give it a word. I feel like our placements
on this list... I will argue that was its greatest
strength, and I've never seen fanservice done
so well. It can be, but there's certain things
that I want to nitpick. I also wanted to say
that I feel like placing it on this list was
very hard for me just because it's so recent.
I'm coming off of less than 72 hours after watching
it, and that's a pretty emotional movie, I guess.
It could land anywhere next week, if what I'm
saying is right. You guys have any arguments
with my... 14 through 8. Black Panther being
so low for me. Oh, buddy. Because I know it's
in yours, too. I will say this, and, you know,
this is, of course, in the aftermath of having
it nominated for Oscars and being nominated for
Best Picture and stuff, of course they brought
all these stories, which may or may not be 100
% true, but after the first screening of the
film, Kevin Feige leaned over to Ryan Coogler
and said, you made us into a film studio, no
longer just a popcorn flick. Sure, which is fair.
Which is fair to say because Black Panther had
a ton to say. and using superheroes in a fashion
that we really haven't seen all too often before
so especially on the scale and with the budget
that marvel is willing to give because let's
remember this is still a disney movie and they
pegged ryan coogler who had done fruitvale station
before creed was definitely dipping his toes
into more right you know fan stuff bigger picture
yeah um I just absolutely loved... I could talk
about this more once we get to the top seven.
But for me, there hasn't been a more distinctly
directed MCU film that I just enjoy being in
Ryan Coogler's head for the first two acts. Because
in the third act, it definitely... I think it
really is just the third act for me. It does
not land on its feet, unlike other cats. There
were parts of the third act that were good. It's
not great. And then there was parts of the third
act where I was just like, and here we go. Right,
exactly. If anything, the part that I like the
most about Black Panther is the conversation
around it in terms of representation in media
because that shit's super important. And if this
starts a conversation, if this leads to more
black films in pop culture, that's fucking awesome.
And I'm so down for that. Let me explain. I'm
all for that. I think this was great, what this
movie did. But... No, no. I mean, there is a
but, but I feel like it's a very minor but in
comparison. Just saying that it wasn't for me.
And so that's why I think I have it... I say
it so low. It's in my top ten. And my top ten
I feel like could change every day. I'm going
to have some explaining to do in my placement.
But it's just one of those things. Literally
one through ten, I would happily watch. over
and over and over again. I'm already in, like,
after the bottom seven, I'm already in I Will
Enthusiastically Rewatch territory. Some of these,
yes. Some of these, no. But, so, that's what
I'm saying about Black Panther, is it wasn't
for me, which is fine. Like, I understand that.
I accept that. I understand why people have it
higher, because it is a fantastic movie. It just
wasn't my fantastic movie. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I gotcha. So, I'm not, I'm not saying it
other than this is my personal preference. For
sure. Right. Cool. Should I go? Yep. All you,
buddy. 14, we got Ant -Man. Okay. Then we go
down to Iron Man 3. Captain America, the first
Avenger at 12. At 11, Guardians of the Galaxy
Vol. 2. Okay. Number 10, Spider -Man Homecoming.
Number 9, Civil War. And number 8, the original
Avengers. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so they're...
Goes 14 through 8. So why do you hate Spider
-Man? Yeah, I had to look at your phone for a
second because I thought I heard Spider -Man.
Yeah, Spider -Man at 10. So it's a fun movie.
I absolutely love Tom Holland in the role. He
is the best Spider -Man on screen. He is a Spider
-Man that I read as a kid. And I'm absolutely
enthralled that he is a part of this greater
cinematic universe and we're going to see him
all over the place. And I can't wait for Far
From Home. It's a, you know, it was a film. that
had its vision set on being a modern take on
a John Hughes 80s comedy, which I absolutely
love. I'm into that. But, you know, if I'm looking,
this isn't a knock against it, just a knock or
just comparing it to what I have in front of
it. I just enjoy certain parts of the story more.
So I think with Homecoming, there was a lot of
great moments, a lot of character building. I
love Michael Keaton in the Vulture's role and
how they reimagined his backstory for the MCU
in particular. Right. Because it had really nothing
to do with this comic book version. Right. And
honestly, the Vulture, I'm a big Spider -Man
fan, and the Vulture in the comics does nothing
for me. When I originally heard that he was going
to be the Vulture, I was like, Michael Keaton?
Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, sure. But then I was like,
oh, Vulture. Is there a vulture? Yeah. I felt
the same as when they announced the lizard for
Amazing Spider -Man. I was like, okay, whatever.
But I thought they did a really good job. They
killed the vulture. I think it was... Yeah, and
I will say this. If we were going to break down
my top ten scenes in a Marvel movie, so this
is every single scene in these 22 movies, and
my top five is definitely in the car scene. That
is so well done, and I wish there was more of
that in this movie, or at least scenes that reach
that height of tension. So anyway, but if you're
looking at what's ahead of it. Civil War, we
get the first impression of Tom Holland in that
role. But it's that dynamic between Tony and
Steve Rogers that I absolutely love and I could
watch all day. I could do this all day. Of course,
The Avengers brings me back to the time when
I got a last minute ticket with my friend, Jenya.
We went up to the very front of this theater
and we were looking up. She's great. We were
looking up at the theater. My neck hurt, but
man, I had such a great time. That's awesome.
I had such a great time. I'd never seen so many
heroes in one film. Exactly. Six years later,
Infinity War would come out. Right, yeah. It's
kind of in this weird spot where I feel like
a lot of... Yeah, dude. Yeah, 2012 to 2018. Yeah.
Wow. Crazy. Well, technically 2019. Well, no,
for Infinity War. Oh, Infinity War. Sorry, sorry,
sorry. It would really be amped up to the next
level. Yeah, definitely. I feel like Infinity
War and Endgame have kind of overshadowed it
a little bit, but man, it's hard to separate...
the original 2012 Avengers from that movie going
experience for the first time. It's like, wow,
they fucking nailed it. You know, like they stuck
the landing when I thought it was going to, like,
I thought the wheels were going to fall off the
bus way before then. Yeah. Especially when I
saw Iron Man 2. But yeah, I don't know. Like
it's, yeah, that's, that remains to be probably
my favorite movie going experience. Just going
with all my friends and we were just so amazed
that it actually worked out. So one more in defense
of Homecoming at number 10. I also have it in
front of Guardians 2, which I really like. I
really like that movie. So there is some credit
to be had there. I just think that the MCU...
overall has produced better overall films, whether
that's in conjunction with how it relates to
the other movies surrounding it. I thought it
was great. It's a standalone movie that had stakes
that was just inside New York City and in the
boroughs. And it didn't really have to rely on,
oh man, there's a city floating in the air. We
have to save all the people. So I really like
this. But like Mike was saying, it's in my top
10. It's in my top 10, which means a lot. That
being said. That's why I have Guardians 2 so
low. Right. It's because they're fighting a fucking
planet. Yes. Like, it was just the exact opposite
of... But the planet is his dad, though. Did
you hear that sentence? Did you hear that sentence?
No, it's great. I love it. I love it. I heard
that sentence. And I'll say it again. Wait, say
it again. That planet is his dad, though. I love
these fucking movies. It's so crazy. Like, trying
to explain this to anybody that's lived under
a rock since Iron Man came out. Yeah. Just trying
to explain the entire Marvel Universe and be
like, but... Yeah, there's this secret country
in Africa that's like way above everything. There's
a floating city. That's great. He fought a planet
that was also his father. And he turned into
a giant Pac -Man monster and punched him. Right,
exactly. That all happened. Yeah, that happened.
All right, should I go through my minutes? You
should, yes. All right, so I'm sorry. We're starting
at 14 now? 14 through 8. All right, so 14 is
Iron Man 3. 13 is Thor. 12 is Black Panther.
11 is Captain America First Avenger. 10 is Iron
Man. 9 is Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. 8 is
Captain America Civil War. Okay. Yeah. You really
like Thor 1. Yeah. Yeah, actually. You know,
it ended up higher on this list than I thought.
I would actually probably swap Iron Man 3 and
Thor. Okay. But it's still one spot. It is. Yeah.
I got Thor at 19. Yeah, I don't know. I've got
Thor at 19 as well. I don't know. Yeah, I don't
really know what to say about that because this
is just, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what
to defend. Well, I'm saying this with it being
19 on my list, but I don't think it's a... No,
it's not. I enjoyed it when I watched it. I think
I have a lot of reverence for those Phase 1 films.
Straight up nostalgia at this point. I think
it was Iron Man. Did Iron Man 2 come out and
then it was Thor? Or was it Thor then Iron Man
2? It went Iron Man, Incredible, Hulk. I'm pretty
sure Iron Man 2 then Thor. I'm kind of shocked.
Honestly, looking at this list, I could probably
put it lower. I don't really have too many words
to defend it. I thought Chris Hemsworth was great
to start off. And Loki's fun too. that, I mean,
still has all the same problems of a phase one
movie in that, like, the finale is just a generic
CGI fight. The Asgard set doesn't really do much
for me, you know, so. Right. It's so, it's very
over the top. It's CG to death. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The bleach, I'm sure, eyebrows to be blonde.
That was weird. You're right. In hindsight, it's
definitely weirder in the moment you kind of
buy it. It did come out after Iron Man 2, by
the way. Okay, okay. So maybe I ended up liking
it more because I was like, oh, thank God, it's
not Iron Man 2, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, I don't
know. It could totally be lower, actually, now
that I think about it. I don't know why it's
so high, but whatever. Interesting. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, that was my mid -tier. All right. What
was number eight again? Number eight was Captain
America Civil War. Okay, cool. I had that at
night, so. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's going
to be weird because I have a much different spot,
but. Are we in the end game now? We're in the
end game now. So, seven to one. Oh, boy. Drum
roll. All right, that was enough. My seven is
Spider -Man Homecoming. Okay. Six, The Avengers,
the original. Great. Five, Thor Ragnarok. Yes.
Yes. Okay. Four, Captain America Civil War. Yep.
Okay. Three, Captain America Winter Soldier.
Ooh. Okay. Very nice. Number two, Guardians of
the Galaxy. And we wrap it up with Infinity War.
Okay. All right. I absolutely loved Infinity
War. Absolutely. I love your top five. Oh, yeah.
It's one of those things. Now, that being said,
the funny thing is, some days I feel like Thor,
Ragnarok, and Civil War could switch spots. Yeah,
they're so different. They're so different, but
at the same time, they're just so well done.
I love Taika Waititi. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Civil
War, the reason I say it could switch is just
because when you look at... whatever his name
is, plot. What's his name? Helmut Zemo? Is that
it? Zemo. Yeah. Zemo, yeah. When you look at
his plot, it's really, like, thin. Yeah, no.
The villain is not the way, yeah. Exactly. Not
good. But if you look at his plan, it relied
on so many things to happen at the right time.
Yeah, it's one of those things, like, the more
you think about Civil War, the more dumb it becomes
a little bit. To me, it just has some great character
interactions, though, right? And that's exactly
it. That's the first spot where I saw it, and
then it was nailed in Infinity War. What I think
Infinity War does so well is the team -ups. who
was on the same team, like, that kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. When we had Groot and
Rocket and Thor, that was probably my favorite
team because it was just, they were, like, I
didn't like what they did. Right. But I just
liked their team. Sure. It was just, like, calling
them Rabbit. Yeah, yeah. No, he mixed well. Like,
they figured out good chemistry with different
groups. Exactly. For sure. And that's what I
loved about it. Yeah. So, I would say, like,
one of the reasons I like Civil War a lot is
that I actually think... I feel like T 'Challa
has a more defined character arc in that movie
than he does in his own movie. That's kind of
why I like... Because that was such a great debut
for that character. And he goes through a lot.
I don't know. I think he might be my favorite
character in that film. I don't know. It's pretty
solid because his goal is revenge. And he also
just happens to grow along the way too. Not just
happens, but it's just... It's one of those things
where you see him grow. You see him understand,
hey, Bucky was brainwashed. This is not him.
Maybe we can help him. Maybe we can, you know,
get some answers, that kind of stuff. And so
it's not all revenge, revenge, revenge. I'm going
to kill you. That kind of thing. Yeah. He does
it for these reasons. And like you see those
reasons. And maybe that's why I didn't connect
with Black Panther as much because I feel like.
I feel like his character arc was already, like,
he didn't really move. Like, T 'Challa's character
arc didn't really move that much. You know what
I mean? Where the more interesting character
arc was Killmonger. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah,
I don't know. It's just, yeah, just a comment,
I guess. That's totally fair. All right. So I
got Iron Man at 7. Okay. Endgame at 6. Thor Ragnarok
at 5. Yep. Winter Soldier at 4. Okay. Guardians
1 at 3. The Black Panther. At two. Okay. Infinity
War. Number one. So it's... One of those things,
I love Taika Waititi. Of course, Ragnarok was
going to be in my top five. There was no question
about it. Winter Soldier was the first time I
saw a Marvel movie and I saw action scenes that
I genuinely loved. Oh, I love that. The elevator
fight scene alone. So good. And I thought they
were going to bring it back for Endgame. There
was kind of a moment where they teased it. There
was a moment, and that was really good. That
was a good moment. We'll get to it later. Exactly.
There's no coincidence that the directors of
Endgame and... Winter Soldier were the same.
They shot that the same. I think they were teasing
at it. And then, of course, we talked about Black
Panther. And then Guardians, in terms of a film
that showed that the MCU could be much broader
than the characters that we all, or at least
the comic people, knew and loved, these are characters
that even the most hardcore fans would have trouble
naming. And these are guys that they made you
fall in love with. Well cast with Chris Pratt
as the lead, and then really just going out there.
Who came out of nowhere, too. Yeah, right. He
was the fat guy on Parks and Rec. Exactly. He
was Andy. He was Andy on Parks and Rec. And then
he did that one, you know, he was a part of Zero
Dark Thirty. He was, yeah. He got a part of Zero
Dark Thirty. Yeah, I forgot about that. Baby
Seals. To show that he could actually be an action
star. But damn, he's so damn charming. He is,
yeah. I feel like that's a commonality of any
of these guys moving forward. Chris Hemsworth.
Very charming story, especially with what they
did in Ragnarok. Yes, for sure. They totally
fixed his character. And that's what these movies
are really going to live and die on. So, going
back to your conversation before about scenes.
Right. The scene with Come and Get Your Love,
Redbone, from Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah.
That is legitimately one of my favorite scenes
ever. Not just in Marvel movies, like ever. Right.
Because it was such a good intro to a character
as well as what this movie is going to be. And
so it ends when he leaves that planet, but that
whole scene as a whole is like... That's what
I want. Yeah, that's opening credits. It's so
well done. Oh, yeah, it is. That has James Gunn
written all over, and I'm happy he's back for
number three. Obviously, they tried it again
in volume two, and I liked it in volume two,
too. Yeah. But it just wasn't the same. And that
was the thing about volume two, which is why
I was so down, just because it's a little rehash
of volume one. They were playing the hits, which
isn't terrible. They were playing the hits, but
on a rewatch, it almost, I kind of. came to terms
with a little bit more of it being its own movie.
Because I feel like it hits different character
notes almost, you know? Well, it explores Drax
a lot more. Yes. It's a freaking sad movie. It
can be. Oh, God, with the relationship with Kurt
Russell or his dad. Yeah. Like, that was heartbreaking.
And what he found out about his mother, like...
Yeah. Well, and also, like, Yondu's entire story
arc there, too. Right. Oh, Yondu as well. Yeah.
He had one of the best action scenes in that
movie. That was sweet. Yep, yep, yep. Is anybody
looking at Mary Poppins the same anymore? Absolutely
not. Not my Mary Poppins. And then one last thing
about Black Panther before I'll expand on Infinity
War. My favorite Marvel scene ever is in the
ancestral plane. Andre Bieber. We talked about
this. In the ancestral plane when Killmonger
goes. And he goes to the apartment in Oakland
and Sterling Brown, his father, is there. They
sit down and they talk, and it cuts back and
forth. You can see emotions coming up in Michael
B. Jordan's face, which is a great performance.
They cut back to Strong K. Brown, and suddenly
you go back to Killmonger, and he's a kid again.
And I think that says everything about what his
mission was. It was so rooted in everything that
he believed in as a child, but now fully realized
as... an mit educated killing machine right you
know so it's it definitely stripped it down in
terms of what was the root of everything because
he could say this is about equipping black people
around the world with the ability to you know
build up their own communities and not rely on
handouts and things like that which is great
but at the end of the day this was personal this
whole journey was personal for him and that that's
when i realized holy crap marvel could actually
say things and i i do love that because like
even though he lost in the end yeah um he'll
be back who knows maybe he will but no but um
even though he lost in the end like the scene
where they go to oakland after yeah and they
like start this science center and everything
like that. That was another thing where I was
just like, he still kind of won. Yeah. Even though
it wasn't the personal vendetta. Right. It was
part of his mission. Yes. And now they understand
that they can expand more. Yes. And I think that
was T 'Challa's journey. It was. Yeah. It was
his relationship with Killmonger that changed
it because you could also say Lupita Nyong 'o's
character had the same thoughts, but just in
a less vicious way of going about bringing that
change. Sure. So Infinity War. The reason why
I freaking love this movie so much and partially
why I liked Killmonger in Black Panther was how
the villain was handled. Yes. Thanos is the protagonist
of that movie. Absolutely. That movie goes in
two different directions. It's either Thor winning
or it's Thanos winning. It starts in that scene
on the ship with the Asgardians. So it sets the
tone like who is going to fight who at the end.
They are setting that scene. Thor saying, you're
going to pay for that. All that stuff that you
had seen in a million movies before. But what
I've never seen is a performance, a motion capture
performance, probably outside of Andy Serkis,
where I really fell for the character and completely
forgot he was a 10 -foot -tall purple monster.
You know? And I legitimately fell for it. You're
fighting Grimace? What? Absolutely. And he had
like a weird ball sack of a chin. And I still
bought into that performance because it was so
well constructed in terms of, what he was fighting
for, to build up the relationship with him with
Gamora, to show that the sacrifice he made to
get the Soul Stone actually meant something to
him. Even though it was deranged by our standards,
it meant something for him. And we understood
that. Oh, we totally felt that. We felt that.
Yeah. Absolutely felt that. And then at the very,
very end, they did not pull the punches, right?
This guy got his Infinity Stones. Thor got cocky
at the end. He wanted... He wanted revenge more
so than he wanted to win. He wanted to see Thanos
lose and squirm. And it was because of that the
Avengers lost. So that snap and how they delivered
on the promise from the very beginning. I was
completely taken away by that. So I'd never seen
a movie where with so many different characters
move so seamlessly. There was never a point where
it dragged. It had funny moments. There was definitely
some heavy emotional moments. I saw this movie
in theaters, I think, four times. Dang. All four
times, I heard audible sniffling and crying when
Spider -Man dies. It just shows. That is the
peak of these movies. It's still well up, knowing
it's coming. Exactly. It's one of those scenes
that was so perfect. It's part of the acting,
but it's also part of just... No. Yes. I wish
I could bottle up that feeling and have it in
a vacuum without knowing that he had a sequel
already confirmed a year later. Because as soon
as the credits rolled, I was like... Oh, that's
right. He's going to be in a fucking, he's going
to be in Far From Home. So, but whatever. The
best part is, guys, that movie is building up
the stuff that was already established in the
previous films. So Spider -Man, for example,
we love that so much because not only is he dying,
if he died alone, it would not have been as effective,
but he died in Iron Man's arms. Yes, right. And
you get that father -son relationship between
those two. Plus knowing his spider sense was
going, he knew he was dying. There's a lot. going
away yeah and Tony being helpless like he couldn't
help the kid and there's so many great moments
like that and the film absolutely loved it and
I'm so happy that Endgame, I thought, delivered
on the strong ending as well. For sure, yeah.
All right, I'm looking at this top seven, and
honestly, these are so close to me that they
could be in any order, to be honest with you.
That's how it feels with all of these. So with
that said, I'm going to go with Captain America,
The Winter Soldier at number seven, Avengers
Endgame at six, Thor Ragnarok at five, Spider
-Man Homecoming at four, The Avengers at three,
Infinity War at two, Guardians of the Galaxy
at one. Those top three specifically, You can
shuffle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So those top three
again. The Avengers for three, Infinity War,
and then Guardians of the Galaxy. Perfect. Yeah.
So Avengers, you have it the highest of all of
us. Is that still nostalgia? Absolutely, yeah.
I can't... If I were to say... It's... It is
just all the moving experience. You know what
I mean? Nothing is going to top... that first
Avengers for me. That's the first ensemble hero
movie that I saw that, like, that it worked,
you know? They nailed everything, almost. Yeah,
I mean, it is just a, it's a Joss Whedon -ass
movie, you know? The dialogue is quippy, it's
corny, it kind of codified that for the MCU to
the point where it got, like, kind of memed to
death, that they had to shift focus. I'm glad
the Russo brothers kind of went in a semi -different,
like, somewhat different direction. But, yeah,
I don't know. That first movie hit really, like,
that just was the perfect movie at the perfect
time. absolutely you guys make me want to watch
marvel movies like right now yeah right yeah
it's yeah yeah that was just a huge inflection
point for the series almost as much as endgame
was uh but yeah it's yeah i don't know i can't
really place it any lower okay i can't remember
where you had it windsor soldier you had i think
lower than everybody seven yeah um i had it at
four yeah four yeah that's just because again
it's just because i like the my personal slants
i like those top six movies just a little bit
more which is fair that's cater to my taste a
little bit more that's the thing like i'm sitting
here going my top 10 like i could interchange
any of them yeah for sure like it's Literally
from 10 to 11 was a huge drop -off for me. Yeah,
I would agree. Yeah, definitely. I mean, Winter
Soldier's great, and to Mitchell's point, it
doesn't fall into the CGI, you know, fuckfest
fight scenes, you know? Yeah. Well choreographed,
and it's like a cool, fun spy thriller with a
superhero story. And, yeah. That is a good part
of Winter Soldier for me. Exactly right on that.
Like, it's... Not as CGI because these two are
very close combat battlers. You can have some
actual fight choreography when you don't have
laser beam superpowers, right? Iron Man's not
firing a blaster at him. And even though that
can work, we've seen it work. It totally can,
dude. Yeah, we've seen it work. But it's one
of those things where this one felt... Close,
personal, and then you put in top. Oh, it's Bucky
too? Dude. Holy hell. Also, shout out to the
Winter Soldier's theme. That theme, like that
industrial sound was just really, I don't know,
that really took me into those fight scenes for
sure. All right. Well, do you guys want to go
through the process off mic and put all of our
lists together? Battle it out. Do you think it's
good we'll just post our own lists? Yeah. Well,
I mean, we could do a composite. We could do
a composite. There's an easy way to score it.
Basically, if we go 1 through 22, 1 obviously
being the highest, like golf, the lowest score
has the higher up in the list. I would feel bad
because I feel like some movies on my list would
be inflated just because it's personal slant.
Nothing wrong with that. These are humans making
these lists. I guess so. We might have a composite
list. We might have our own list. Who knows?
We'll figure that out. Off mic. On now, this
is your last chance. Yes. Spoilers. Yep. We are
in the endgame now. Oh. The endgame. Oh, God.
Oh, shit. We are going to talk Avengers Endgame.
All right. Yes? Yes. All right. The culmination
of the Infinity Saga. Mmm. Mmm. Tasty. Yeah.
Yeah, all right. So, just last warning. We're
going to need another beer for this. Last chance.
Yeah, okay. Give me another beer. There's beer
coming. Which means spoilers. Mike, you good?
I will have another as well, please and thank
you. What are you having another of, Mike? Oh,
yes. I forgot to horn myself today. We are having
Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy. Oh, so refreshing.
A personal favorite. It tastes like happiness.
It tastes like summer. Dude, having gone to a
Leine brewery, I absolutely love this. It's like
a wood cabin in the middle of nowhere. It's in
Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Oh, goodness. Yeah.
We ended up going. This is not personal, or this
is definitely personal, but we ended up going
when we were going to Minnesota TCU. They played
in football. And so we drove up, went to Chippewa
Falls. It was great. Yeah, so Leinenkugel, Summer
Shandy. You know what else this beer tastes like?
Endgame spoilers. Tastes like Endgame. Here we
go. Iron Man, oh God. Why? I am Iron Man. So
let's talk about this. What were your initial
thoughts about Endgame? I would be really fucking
dank if they never made another MCU episode.
the two movies after this like I mean obviously
Spider -Man comes out in two months these movies
make money they're always going to make more
but honestly you could cut off the Marvel Cinematic
Universe at this point and I would be satisfied
yeah I thought the very last the send -offs for
Iron Man and for Captain America yeah I thought
were very well done great that is a clear sign
we are on to another phase yeah like we have
the younger heroes like more than just this isn't
just phase four this is a Oh, yeah. Different
thing. This is completely different. This will
be completely... Thor might be part of the Guardians
now. I mean, like... As Guardians of the Galaxy.
As Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah. I would actually
love that as a title for part three. That was
actually... I would love that, too. But... Trying
to figure out how to convince Gamora to come
back. Yes. Yeah. There is a... Like, yeah. I
mean, they definitely left some, you know, loose
ends for... the other characters to tie up. But
in terms of Iron Man and his storyline, and then
of course Captain America, who I thought had
the... just the best and most fitting ending
because of all the stuff that he had gone through
being stuck in the ice and going through what
he did in Winter Soldier to find out that S .H
.I .E .L .D. was always Hydra and all that other
stuff and putting his life on the line time and
time again and he got to live a life. Yeah, he
finally did something for himself which I loved.
I loved that. I was worried when they introduced
the time travel mechanic that like, oh, like
Steve, I thought it was Steve going to be making
the sacrifice play where it's like, We don't
have enough Pym Particles to go back. I'm staying
here. I thought he was going to stay in the 70s.
Yes, exactly. Like with Agent Carter and everything
like that. My whole thing was, and this was such
a well thought out part of the plot, was Tony
and Steve were always at odds with each other.
This is the same thing in the comic books. They're
just polar opposites when it comes to personalities,
but they're both natural leaders. So the thing
that they brought to the table that was different,
Tony a little bit more cocksure and selfish.
Where Cap was definitely the, you know, he's
the guy who dives on the grenade. Right. As we
saw in First Avenger. So what both endings for
the characters shown me is that they learned
something from the other. Yeah. Iron Man sacrificed
himself. He dies, guys. He snaps everything.
He snaps away all the damage. Turns out he was
Iron Man this whole time. Snaps his fingers.
Exactly. What a great ending. What a great last
line to say. And then for Captain America, he
did something, you know, on the selfish side.
Yeah. And decided to live a life. A very full
life, I'm sure. Oh, yeah, it seemed like it.
It seemed like it. Yeah, he came back as Joe
Biden. Yeah, I was about to say, he looked a
lot like Joe Biden. Yeah, he did. Now I'm thinking
about that. Yeah, he's going to be president.
So there's a... In the Me Too movie, I'm not
so sure about Joe Biden. Yeah, right. Sorry,
I jumped ahead, I guess. We'll see. So with that
being said, I absolutely love the ending. You
could definitely call this fan service the movie,
and I think that's completely appropriate, but
I'm not complaining. No, definitely not. I don't
think, it's definitely fan service -y, but in
all the right ways, right? Hey. Let's hear it,
Mike. Okay, I had some fan service. For sure.
I got some notes. I have some notes for improvement
for next time, for Endgame 2. Endgame 2, I think,
yeah. No, I liked some of the stuff. So, when
I originally heard time travel, I was kind of
very skeptical. Sure. Just because, I mean, it's
time travel, you know? Yeah. I didn't like the
fact that they spent a lot of it going over their
rules. It was not that they had rules. It was
just like, oh, yeah, we can't do this because
we create this timeline and this happens and
this blah, blah, blah. You have to come back.
Otherwise, there's this or whatever. Sure. So
part of that is Captain Rogers being on that
park bench and not coming back. Right. He started
a whole new timeline, too. Right, he branched
off. He branched off in the timeline. There's
some, and I think one of the Russo brothers was
asked that in an interview, and he kind of, I
don't want to say he gave a political answer
or whatever, but he was like, oh yeah, we left
some of those open questions for the audience
to figure out, which is kind of a cop -out answer.
Oh, that's absolutely a cop -out answer. I would
say with that, it's... Look, sometimes with these
movies, it's the MCU. Yeah. I like to turn my
brain off. Exactly. But I will say, there was
a lot, my gripes in this movie, and there are
some, are in the first two acts. And part of
that is how they explain time travel, because
holy crap, it's time travel. Right. There's a
million ways to explain it, and they're all wrong.
Right. Oh, yeah, yeah. That is the corner that
you're riding yourself in if you're introducing
this element. I did like how, at least they acknowledged
that it was a little derivative by bringing it
back to the future, too. Yeah, yeah. I was like,
okay, you guys get it. You're in on it, I guess.
To me, that was a real surprise. Don't gamble
on sports. That kind of stuff. I get it, but
for me, the time travel was hard to get around.
That being said, what they did with the time
travel was great because they just, like, recreated
scenes from Avengers and stuff like that. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm glad they weren't too worried. I was
worried they'd be like, oh, Cap, you can't fight
yourself. It's going to create a time paradox.
You know, that's when I kind of rolled my eyes
a little bit. He could fight because that's America's
ass. That is America's ass. God damn, that was...
Can we also talk about the fact that Cap swore
more than any other character? Dude, I literally,
when he said, let's go get this son of a bitch,
I just said, language! Yeah, reflexively. I was
like, whoa, wow. But that was like a, oh, Cap's
pissed. Like, yeah, that's... I understand that,
but there was other parts where he was just like,
that's America's ass. He wouldn't say that. He'd
say, that's America's butt. That's America's
hindquarters. But this is the guy who's also
seen so much death. Like, following Infinity
War, this is a different dude. This is also a
guy who also left the organization that he felt
was helping the world, and he became a Nomad,
right? Yeah. Which they did not call him formally,
but that was the character that he took on. So,
I think those are small signs of things that
stuff has changed over time for Cap. For sure.
Also, just going on with that beginning of him
saying, bitch, there was also a very shocking
scene. Immediately following that. Dude. Thanos
gets his head chopped off. He immediately gets
eaten like 20 minutes, like 15 minutes in. That
was awesome. Yeah. Like, what have you done?
I went for the head. Yeah, and it's just five
years later. Okay. Wait, what? We're just going
to accept this? Yeah. Dude, that text crawl was
so perfectly timed too with the five and then
with the beat. Yep. Years later. You're like,
oh, five weeks, five months. Oh, shit. Yeah.
See, I knew where they were going with it. It's
still a good beat though. But anyways. I'm nitpicking.
If you're laying it out there, what fun is there
in doing that? You know what I mean? Like, oh,
five months, cool. Five years, cool. Like, no.
They made it dramatic. Which is fair. They're
making a movie. So I thought it was good. And
it was completely justified with how we saw Thor
react at the end of Infinity War. For sure. Yeah,
definitely. Completely justified. So it didn't
come out of nowhere. Can we also talk about how
Thor was then the worst part of the movie? No.
Wait, I'm defending this. I'm going to defend
Thor. I think talking Hulk was the worst part
of the movie. It's Professor Hulk! There was
a comic book storyline of this. Mike, I read
that comic book storyline. It is 90s nostalgia.
It is also stuff that I did not think worked.
Guys, the best part of Hulk is the fact that
there is this dichotomy of a guy who is also
smart, but also becomes a fucking rage monster.
And we didn't get to see really either, in my
opinion. I just imagine you're just with Valkyrie
on this one. You're just like, I like either
version of you. Yeah, like when Tessa Thompson
said that, I'm like, okay, me and Tessa, okay,
cool. It led to one of my favorite scenes in
the movie. Wait, wait. Did you get the selfie
with the kids? No, no, no. Not the selfie with
the kids, although that was good. When he gives
Ant -Man his taco. That was a cute scene. That
was also good, but also not the thing. What is
the thing? The thing is when they're back in
time in the Avengers thing, and they're just
like, we need to get to the top of that tower.
And he's like, or Captain America goes, maybe
smash some stuff. reluctantly rips off his shirt
yeah he's like okay and he's like uh smash and
like throws a motorcycle and like I love that
I thought that was great I thought the funnier
part was when we saw old Hulk like beating the
shit out of the this whatever they're called
like A couple minutes before that little scene.
Oh, the Chutari? Yeah, the Chutari. Jesus Christ.
Fuck these movies. Again. Rock, Chutari. This
is great. My dad's a planet. This is all great.
There's so much love. I will defend Fat Thor.
tree. Yeah, exactly. There's Bradley Cooper is
voicing a raccoon. Vin Diesel's a tree that says
three words. He's putting a lot of emotional
weight with those three words, man. Anyways,
so yeah, in defense of Fat Thor, I thought it
was dope. Okay, so at first when I was like...
They stuck with it. Yeah, they stuck with it.
They didn't take the easy way out. Yeah, because
I was so worried. I'm like, oh man, during the
final battle, when he's like, let's kill him
properly this time, which was bad. Badass. I
thought they were just going to, like, call some
lightning and he was going to get six pack again.
Bitch tail. Yeah. I thought that was going to
happen, too. I'm okay that they stuck with it.
My problem was just the entire thing. I didn't
buy it. I was just like, no. You didn't buy it?
You didn't buy it? So, well, I mean, like, I
bought it in the fact that. in the beginning
where he was like depressed and stuff like that
and he was hanging out with Korg and Meek and
they're playing Fortnite which is very forced
I did not like that thing at all that is definitely
like hey 13 year old kids also Fortnite is doing
a crossover like you can get Avengers weapons
in the game right now they did it last year wait
time out do these movies Try to make money? Yeah,
right. No, that's what I'm saying. You could
play as Thanos in Fortnite last year. Yeah, last
year. You could also do this as Thanos. You could
also floss as Thanos. That was pretty great.
And I'm doing this thing. Yeah, you're doing
Orange Justice. I hate myself that I know that.
I know, I should have. Guys, if you don't know
what Orange Justice is, it's fine. It's this
thing. Where you cross your arms back and forth
and go up and down. Anyways, why would you be
playing? Oh yes, it's this thing. I would have
a hard time being convinced that Fortnite would
be a relevant game five years from now with half
the world. world's population that's just me
i don't know sure oh you're saying like it is
oh that's fair time stamping itself in 2019 it's
time stamping itself in 2019 and then technically
this movie is supposed to take place in like
2024 because like this part of the movie because
it's five years later right oh wow you're really
thinking into this i am no like i did not think
into that well no but like it wasn't like like
but Right. That's just one of those, like, it's
fine that they put it in there, I guess. Why
are we talking Fortnite so much on this? Wait,
did they call it Fortnite, by the way? It clearly
was. They didn't say the word Fortnite. I don't
think they ever said it. Yeah, I'm interested
to see if they actually name -dropped it. I don't
think they name -dropped it. They showed gameplay
footage of it, though. Right. Oh, absolutely.
It was just fine. Whatever. And the username
was something something 69, which I thought was
quite classic. Yeah, that was good. That was
on point. Momlover69 or something. Was it Momlover?
It was something like that, though. That's on
brand. That is on brand. No, no, that was perfect.
100 % on brand. So, okay, anyway, so you didn't
like fat, anxious Thor. Why don't you like fat,
anxious Thor? I don't know if it was anxious
Thor. It was fat. It was fat. It was fat. He
was having, he was literally having, like, a
panic attack, like, in Asgard when he's, like,
well, not panic attack, but, like, he's, like.
New Asgard. What? No, no, no. Back to time. When
they go to the dark world. Yeah, but that was
also because he was having an identity crisis
with himself because he saw Jane. Yeah. Yes.
And his mother. Yes. And his mother. Yeah. Which
one? But I don't think that was related to Thanos
in any way. I think that was just related to
seeing her alive, knowing she couldn't die. I
feel like it was kind of a conflict, I think.
It was that, and then it was also, like, how
can I face them right now? Like, with, like,
I'm a failure, you know? Like, yeah, how I look,
like, I'm a failure. Like, it's... Okay. Yeah.
I'll be honest. Just for me, Thor was the worst
part. Okay. That's for me. Okay. That's a good
defense. Yeah, just for me. Yeah, right. It's
subjective. I mean, look, they made a choice.
They definitely made a choice. And if you're
like looking for, if you're waiting for Thor
to kick some ass, like... I could see how that
would be disappointing for sure. See, we were
talking about our first 45 minutes were all subjective
and now I can't be subjective about this movie?
God damn you guys! Well, I just want to hear
a reason why. Like, I guess that's why. Okay,
so I just thought he was oafish and just like
a buffoon and like they were going... Check,
check, check. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Agreed. But I
don't... I don't think that's Thor. I don't think
that's who he is. And so that was the issue for
me. Yeah, I can see that. Even if he's having
an identity crisis, that kind of thing, he's
not going to go oafish and buffoonish just because
he drinks a lot. He drank a lot before and didn't
really get drunk because he's also an Asgardian.
Well, he did get drunk. Captain America can't
get drunk. No, Captain America can't get drunk,
but Thor can definitely get drunk. He famously
said that in First Avenger. I thought Thor hasn't
gotten drunk before. Has he not? No. Because
there's that Doctor Strange thing where he just
keeps filling up his beer. Well, he definitely
has. He can pound a couple back before he gets
drunk. It's just that... I thought it was kind
of like a good reflection on his character, almost,
where, like, in Thor 1, like, when he gets humbled,
he gets angry about it and pouty, you know? Kind
of like a child, right? Yeah. And then he got
humbled hard in Affinity War, and it made him
just self -loathing, almost, you know? It was
kind of... And they clearly took cues from Ragnarok
in terms of how... being humbled would look because
they went towards the goofy side which I think
is probably your gripe with it where Thor is
definitely in Infinity War he was the force that
was going to stop Thanos and now suddenly there's
no fucking way this guy's going to beat Thanos.
So I can totally get that. Like the night and
day comparison between what he was in part one
versus part two, if you want to call it that.
Yeah. Honestly, this is a little cheese whiz,
but I also think it's kind of, yeah, where it's,
yeah, it's, it kind of sends a cool message that
like, hey, like he didn't, he didn't get his
fucking like male model body back. He's still
doing Fortnite dances. Sorry. I'm having a good
time over here. Because it kind of shows, like,
hey, like, you know, even if you're not, like,
at your best physically, you can still fucking
do your part, you know? Like, he's still, like,
at the end. What? No. Do your part. No, but,
like, he still fucking showed up, and he still
tried his best, and he still helped, you know?
Claire loved the fishtail beard that he had.
Fishtail beard. I actually, I actually pretty
saw it on the team. I laughed out loud when that
happened. Yeah. That was what the lightning did?
Like, that is what the lightning did. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. That was pretty sweet. Now, that
being said, I like the look. It wasn't about
the look. It was just that's what the lightning
did. Yeah, it's hilarious. Okay, so I'm going
back to the fan service -y thing. Sure. There's
a lot. There is. I want to know your opinion.
So, obviously, in the final battle, they're trying
to get the gauntlet across the way. Gauntlet
relay race, yeah. The gauntlet relay race, exactly.
There's a part where Spider -Man falls down,
and all the female Avengers stand in front of
him. That was so on the nose, dude. Like, I did
not like that. I was wondering your thoughts
on that. Yeah, so you could see clear as day
what they were trying to say. Yeah, I agree.
They're also saying that all the female superheroes
were fighting in one cluster. Right, that's a
little weird. I mean, like, look. That's fine.
That's my hard part. Exactly. To me, it's like,
it's... It's just a nod, you know, I guess. It's
the nod of like, hey, I think it's definitely,
this is what the future of these movies could
look like. Yes, for sure. And that's what I want.
Here are all the young heroes that are taking
over the mantle. Give me an all -female -backed
Avengers cast. Now, that being said, I wonder,
because one of the people in there was Gwyneth
Paltrow in the Iron Woman suit. What's her name
again? Pepper. Well, no, sorry, the suit name.
I don't know. It's like a specific... Iron Pepper.
Iron Pepper. Iron Pots? Iron Pots. Iron Pots!
That's pretty good. That's solid, man. I'm just
going with Iron Woman just because. Iron Maiden.
I like that better. I like that better. No! Have
you heard of that? So Iron Maiden, is she taking
over? Rescue is her name, sorry. Rescue? Yeah,
Rescue. Rough name. Iron Maiden was on the table.
Yeah, I know, but... Guys. Or Iron Potts. Iron
Potts. Anyways, so Iron Potts. Do we think she's
taking over? Is she going to be in this next
phase? How much are you going to... pay Gwyneth
Paltrow for her time. Yeah, for sure. I had that
question because all of them seemed like the
young taking over. And so it was one of those
things where I was kind of like, we're going
to see them all in another movie except for Gwyneth
Paltrow. Yeah, you could write it both ways where
you can easily see your character just being
like, hey, I just lost my husband. I am going
to just go to my family life now. Which you should.
Yeah, for sure. And that would be a totally convincing
plot point, I think. I will say this. this is
three white guys talking right now for sure so
yeah my little sister is probably looking at
that scene and yeah exactly completely have a
different thing yeah because there's so many
people that will like see the little like you
know 20 second sequence and be fucking stoked
and that's awesome I know people that are that
way and like great great for them they've seen
what it can be now, you know, like that kind
of thing. And that's great. I'm happy they had
that scene. So Marvel's opening the doors for
new stories to be told, and I'm so down for that.
Yeah, for sure. But I felt like they were trying
to rehash that Avengers moment from the first
one where they have that pan around them where
they're in New York, like that iconic, which
they brought back. That was also good in Age
of Ultron, too, in that first fight. Oh, the
splash. Oh, the very first splash. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. That was cool, too. That was, like, everybody's
Facebook timeline photo for, like, six months
or something like that. It was so great. It was
really good. The way it's splashed around everything,
it's just, like, there's some parts where I'm
like, okay, that was cool, and there's some parts
where I'm like, why'd you do that? Civil War
is a big one for me. With the airport? No, not
with the airport, even. The Iron Man versus Captain
America fight, where he... At the very end. At
the very end? Yes. Okay, gotcha. At the very
end where he shoots the laser at him and Captain
America like holds it and it's just through this
pillar. You see this scene. Yep, yep. And it's
like recreating the cover of Civil War where
they had that fight or whatever, like the panel.
Yep. And that was like... on the nose for me.
Okay. I still love Civil War, but that one was
on the nose for me. Versus like the Age of Ultron
one I actually really liked. I don't know. Avengers
one I liked where they pan around them and everything.
I honestly live for those hype anime moments
for sure. Yeah. And then that final, that whole,
like that relay race, that whole entire battle
scene was filled with those. Oh yeah. Honestly,
the best five second shot was Iron Potts and
Iron Man like back to back shooting lasers at
everything. That was awesome. It's happening.
Yeah. It's such a great time watching that. And
I loved watching when Spider -Man is on Valkyrie's
horse. The Pegasus. The Pegasus, yeah. And they're
just flying through. I love that scene. I thought
that was great because he's like all of a sudden,
what the fuck? What's going on? That's the best
part. He is such an avatar for the audience.
He is. He's so fresh into this entire world.
Right. Where he's like, I just learned that time
wizards exist. Oh, now there's a flying horse.
Right. Like, hey Mr. Stark. like, Dr. Strange
just showed back up, and he said it's been five
years, and he said he needed us, so we're here.
And then he just gives him a hug, and I was like,
oh, that's so good. And he's like, well, that's
nice. Yeah, that's nice. It goes back to Homecoming
when he just wanted to hug at the limo. Yeah.
Anyways. Oh, man, I thought that was great. Yeah.
All right, Tom Holland. Dude, I'm so excited
for Far From Home. Yeah, dude, I'm excited, but
I also need to keep my expectations in check
because I know it's not going to be the same
lightning in the bottle for me as Homecoming.
No, there's no way. Yeah. I'm keeping it low.
Just because what I've seen of Mysterio, I'm
not a big fan of. He might be a hero. Like the
more I'm watching the trailer, he might be on
Spider -Man. So I'm wondering if they're going
to pull the rug out. No, I think they're going
to pull the rug out in that he's causing the
natural disasters and saving people for notoriety.
That's my thing. Ooh. That's what I would think.
Hashtag spoilers for Far From Home? Maybe. Yeah,
I don't know. Potential spoilers? That seems
like a very mysterious thing to do. I feel like
Scorpion's gonna come in this somehow because...
Scorpion, hmm. But do you remember that end credit
scene? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Where he
was in jail with Vulture and Vulture didn't give
the information up or whatever? Yep, yep. I need
to rewatch that. Yeah, so there's the end credit
scene, and it's obviously Scorpion. Right, right.
Yeah. The end credit scene I remember is the
Captain America one. Yeah, that was a good one.
That one was so good. That was still my favorite.
Yeah. That's a top tier end credit scene. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. And then end credit was the greatest
one of all time, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,
that's attention. We didn't rank. End scenes,
guys. Oh, man. We need to rank end scenes and
Stanley cameos. Oh, crap. We could go on with
that. We could go on. Those are two other podcasts
right there. Yeah, this one, I'm letting it go
as long as possible because really, let's just
get our thoughts out about Endgame. Okay. I did,
I will say, kind of totally, on a totally different
note, I actually liked the first act a lot in
terms of, as they introduced time travel, but
they at least made it feel kind of earned how
they got to it. You know, like, I kind of liked
that, kind of, like, 15 -ish minutes where they're
like, okay, like, Tony's in on the plan, we need
to figure this out, let's figure out the right,
like, places to get those, get those, uh, those
Infinity Stones. And so, like, it's kind of like
the last... not the last two Ra for all these
characters together, but it's, you can see how
much they're trying, and you can kind of tell
that, like, oh, man, like, they're happier now
because they have something to do, you know?
Like, they have something to push forward towards.
Something to move on from. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. And I thought it was well -written
in terms of, like, even before we got to Endgame,
like, Hank Pym being gone is a big deal. Like,
it is a big deal because you only have X amount
of Pym particles at this point. Right. I did
like that part. You know? So you could tell that
overall, whether that's... that's Kevin Feige
overlooking this, or if they just had the writers
really sit down and consider who are all the
players who could potentially be an endgame and
who should not be an endgame, and for them to
make those choices before they even start filming,
I thought was a really big deal. For sure. So,
yeah, I thought everything was earned, and I
love the... the way that Scott Lang had a much
bigger role in this. Arguably bigger than he
had in Ant -Man and the Wasp. You know what I
mean? That's why I said, dude, I need to go see
some Ant -Man right now. This movie, more than
Civil War, totally sold me on his character.
Did you feel confused at all? No. You guys gave
me the lowdown, though, on what happened at the
end. As soon as it panned to that car, I was
like, okay, this is at the end of Ant -Man and
the Wasp. Okay, got it. That was fine. There
seemed to be one moment where Evangeline Lilly
was like, you got it, Captain. And they look
at each other and give them a knowing glance.
That must have been a reference to something.
It was because he was talking about how he fought
alongside Captain America. In the previous Ant
-Man and the Wasp, he was just like, I'm on house
roast because I fought with Captain America.
That was the thing. That's why he missed Infinity
War. Also why Hawkeye missed Infinity War. Even
though he was filming tag. Yeah. It broke his
arms. It broke his arms? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow.
Because he did his own stunts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He went, no, Tom Cruise, stop it. Dude, no, it's
Tom Cruise. That guy's insane. I know, right?
So two things I absolutely loved. I loved how
it opened. So we come back with Hawkeye, and
then we still see the effects of Snapture, as
it's been called on the internet. And then my
favorite moment, and this is absolute fan service,
and I am here for it every day, is Mjolnir. Going
to Captain America. That was the hypest moment
for sure. I remember reading JLA versus the Avengers
and seeing Mjolnir go to Superman and having
that same feeling when I was reading it. And
I was just like, shit. And of course, Captain
America wields the hammer in the comics for a
time as well. And that is a payoff from Ultron.
Like there's, you know, like a lot of different
beats were considered. Yeah. Like jerk me off
now. Like that's exactly. No, no, no, that's
not what I was doing. I was doing what they tried
to move Moon here, and he moved it just like
a half an inch. Oh, sorry, I was jerking it.
Just thinking about it. You were jerking yourself,
apparently. Whoa. Yeah, nice and clean. But anyway,
so yeah, this got really awkward. No, and I thought,
you know, like, what had changed from the time
we had seen him try in Ultron, and what has made
him worthy since? And the only thing that I could
think of, outside of the reason of having that
awesome moment was he still had the um the i'm
not sure if you would call it a secret or um
just the knowledge of winter soldier and his
relationship with iron man and that little darkness
in terms of keeping that secret yeah right um
probably kept him from being the true um you
know someone who is uh worthy, as Thor calls
it. See, I just didn't think he was worthy until
he did something like stand up to the Sokovia
courts, where he was completely out on his own,
because he just followed whatever was told to
him. That kind of established him. He's a soldier.
Yeah, exactly. He's a soldier. This was the first
moment where he's like, hey, I'm a soldier, but
for the wrong team. I gotta step up on my own.
That's a good point, too. That was one of those
moments where I was like, okay, maybe that made
him worthy. I buy that more. I buy that more.
It's a bigger part of his arc, too. Whereas that
thing that I mentioned is specifically a part
about Civil War. Where the Sokovia Accords, we're
talking all the way to Infinity War. It has lasting
effects. For sure. Yeah, I buy that. I definitely
buy that. So I lost it when I saw it. Yeah, that
was a cool moment. Sick! And then they get a
nice nod from Thor. He's like, which one? And
you're like, oh no, I get the bigger one. Of
course he gets Stormbreaker. Yeah. Of course.
He made Stormbreaker with Peter Dinklage. And
Groot. And Groot, yes. You're right, and Groot.
The first time Team Groot actually did something
for the bigger cause. Aw. Yeah. I can't wait
to see Groot again. He didn't really get much
love in this movie. No, I mean, yeah, it's hard
when you have 60 -some characters. Yeah, there
was so many characters that you're just like,
I wish they had more time, but at the same time,
it's a three -hour movie. It's a three -hour
movie. No, actually, I liked that it... This
is the movie for the old goons. This is the movie
for the original Avengers. This is their last
send -off. So I saw a tweet where this kid, 18
-year -old guy, was crying at Endgame. Okay.
And the guy, he wasn't pointing out that he was
crying to embarrass him or anything like that.
He asked him a story and everything like that.
And he said, I saw Iron Man when I was eight.
and now he's 18 and he's seen Endgame and it's
just that full like he grew up with this you
know like it's one of those things we did too
pretty much you know like it was 8 to 18 those
are like your really formative years exactly
that's incredible yeah we're not that but we're
dude I play all man I'm trying I'm like equating
that to like If I played Legend of Zelda and
they just ended Legend of Zelda with killing
off Link, I'd probably cry too, dude. Oh yeah,
exactly. So it was one of those moments. And
so it was a really cool tweet to me. I retweeted
it and everything because it was just like...
That's it. That's what these movies are to us.
Yeah, for sure. They are. I was talking to Mitch
about this walking into the theater to see Endgame.
I am so fucking stoked that this movie didn't
start it, but it kind of codified it in that
all of these freaking nerdy movies are an event
now. they are just so huge and everyone is in
on it you know um like we used to get like you
know we used to get like like liking these stories
was not cool when we were little kids and even
less so like before right right so like and there
are people that are bellyaching about like how
like oh like mcu is too generic and it has too
much broad eyes appeal but like these are bringing
characters that you would have never seen before
into into them like you know the big spotlight
yeah you know what it's also doing it's bringing
people to the theaters for sure right a huge
struggle like outside even outside like some
disney films like dumbo did not do well but there
are some films that Bigger companies like this
are struggling to find. And here are the Russo
brothers who have definitely mastered the language
of the Avengers and what that means to the broader
audience. And guys, like a billion plus over
the first weekend. Dude, in less than 48 hours
or something like that? It's insane. Look, I'm
a big film critic and I'm definitely a snob.
But damn, I'm here for these movies. I love them
so much because they just hit the chords exactly
where they need to hit. Going into Endgame, I
literally said to Claire... I've never been so
excited for a movie. Right? Never been so excited
for a movie. Exactly. And that's what I miss.
I miss, or at least because I don't think my
siblings have the same relationship with film
that I do in terms of the experience of going
to a theater, sitting down with popcorn and experiencing
something with a room full of strangers and hearing
their audible reactions to stuff that's happening
on screen. Right. That's in a weird off. way
uh community building and feeling like wow like
we all share the same experience with the story
and stuff there are very few of those when i
went to go see high life which was the robert
pattinson movie i talked about a couple podcasts
ago i was one of three people in the theater
it's a small indie flick yeah you know um and
even the ones that are the films that are quote
unquote designed to draw big crowds sometimes
they miss guys i'm forecasting sonic the hedgehog
not being like a really successful movie I think
that's easy to forecast. They chose Gangster's
Paradise as their main theme. Like, who's this
movie for? He has human teeth. He's a nightmare
creature. Exactly. So I think it's always a win
when you're able to draw people to the cinema.
Whether it's for Endgame or whatever, Star is
Born, it could be a number of different things.
I only bring it up because of Mike. It felt like
that was a shot. Absolutely. I'm not going to
it. But I'm just so excited that these movies
still exist. For sure. Where box office attendance
is down, but there's still a film out there that
could bank a billion in one weekend. It's going
to be interesting to see where they go from here.
I think there's going to be a drop. There's going
to be a drop. There's got to be. There's going
to be a hell of a drop to Spider -Man. Well,
yeah. I think Spider -Man will do better than
Ant -Man did after Infinity War. Oh, yeah. The
characters are just better. There's going to
be a decent amount for Spider -Man after that.
I'm intrigued to see what happens. Because everything
else is just a huge question mark. Now, is there
going to be an intro, do you think, to Fox, previously
Fox characters? I heard rumors that Silver Surfer
was the first character that they wanted to play
with. And I don't know why, but is it a way to
introduce Galactus? Right, that's the thing.
Because you need the next big Earth killer. Do
you need the next big Earth killer? It would
either be him or it would be... God, I think
Galactus would have to be it. Yeah, he's the
only one after Thanos, right? I want to see Doctor
Doom kick some ass. I do too, but the problem
is we're talking about the next big Earth killer.
Right. Doctor Doom isn't an Earth killer. No,
but he's also a huge villain in terms of charisma
and just, I don't know, character, narrative
weight almost, rather than just... I don't know.
Eventually, the stakes of the universe gets old.
It does. That's where I think something like
Homecoming... It's the escalation problem that
every long -range show runs into. Black Panther
was centered around Wakanda. If you're able to
focus a little bit more narrowly on the stakes,
I think your movie does better, especially when
you've already hit those beats. America's under
attack, or the world is under attack. This only
worked because of what... all the hard work that
was done in infinity war right for sure like
because thanos won and now they need revenge
so like yeah it was a whole new stakes because
it was personal yeah because it wasn't you're
right they made it a personal story it wasn't
just uh well guys we got to do the right thing
and save the world again one last time it was
yeah it was more than that that's a great line
reading dude yeah thanks dude yeah that was like
an age of old hey guys sorry i made an evil robot
gotta go take care of that now whoops I do love
the part where Tony was like, I wanted a suit
of armor around the world. That opening scene,
but when they first land and he is laying in
the cap, that was good. How gaunt he looked,
too. The effects on that scene I thought was
low -key very well done. And I also did like
how he was, even though he was really mad at
them and was like, I wanted a suit of armor around
the world. okay, if we don't talk shop, you can
come in and have lunch. Yeah, for sure. You guys
are my friends. I still want to do stuff for
you. But as long as we don't talk about this,
come on in. Exactly. He had that in his head.
He had Thanos in his head for eight years, right?
Or was that the line from Infinity War? He's
been in my head for that long time. And he got
lucky. He survived. He was able to get back to
Earth. Him and Pepper have a family now with
Morgan as his daughter. I felt like that was
one perspective of the Snapture that was not
thoroughly explored by the others. People lost
loved ones. Thor lost basically half of Asgard.
And then here comes Iron Man who kind of bailed
out. He almost lost nothing. He almost lost nothing.
In the grand scheme of things. Yeah, definitely.
Again, it was a good foil for Cap's situation
where Tony went, reclusive, like, started a family
and made it work for him. And then, meanwhile,
like, Cap, the first thing we see him in is some
of this, like, not alcoholics, not AA meeting,
but similar kind of, like, you know, like, self
-help group. And he's trying to help other people
that he doesn't even know. It's a Snapper's Anonymous
meeting, almost. Snapper's Anonymous, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Which, also, excellent cameo from one of
the Russo brothers. I believe that's Anthony.
I could be wrong. Okay. Also, we got a cameo
from Matthew Barry. That's true, yeah! My God,
whoever plays fantasy football out there. You
definitely can't miss this cameo. You cannot
miss That was such a good cameo. It was so good.
Yeah. That was funny. I really liked it. I mean,
he was bossing Tony Stark around a little bit.
He was, yeah. I mean, how cool is that? Yeah.
Oh, okay. So among the three different, or I
guess four, if you count were Black Widow and
Hawkeye Go. Exactly. So among all those different
journeys, which one was your favorite? Because
they go to different movies, essentially. Yeah.
Yeah. My gut wants to say Avengers because that's
such the easy answer. It's such easy nostalgia.
And the way they played with it too. There's
a Loki out there now. There's a Loki out there.
It has the elevator scene where it was in El
Hydra, which was dope. And then it's cap on cap
action. It's got America's ass twice. They added
a new wrinkle to the attack when you see Tilda
Swinton shooting down dudes. Yeah, that was pretty
good too with Professor Hulk at Tilda Swinton.
went exactly you realize this is a fully realized
universe right like they consider all the different
options when they're revisiting these things
which i thought was really cool right i'd probably
have to agree with that and then the second one
God, I'm just not a Thor Dark World guy. No,
yeah. But I will say it did have some redeeming
qualities. It almost made Thor Dark World a little
bit better in retrospective just because it kind
of gave some sort of emotional resonance to that
movie that lacked a lot of it. You know what
I mean? Oh, absolutely. I don't know if that's
giving more credit to Endgame than I am to Dark
World. But I also didn't like how Rocket's like,
this plan's not going to work unless you do this.
He didn't do it. And he still worked. Yeah, it
was kind of cheap. Yeah, that was cheap. You're
right. So that was another thing where I was
kind of like, eh, all right. For a little bit,
yeah. Did they use like stock footage of Natalie
Portman or did she actually show up for that
movie? From what I read, that's her. Like in
the film. Yeah, I believe it's her. It's not
stock footage. Like she showed up for an hour.
got it nice you know what i mean yeah if that
yeah she was 20 seconds yeah because yeah we
saw the back of jane and then i'm like okay so
they didn't bring her back and then they had
that one scene where she's coming up from the
bed or whatever so uh from what i read and like
half -assed internet research that's what i found
so okay cool take it for what it's worth how
about you mike um i mean i would say avengers
just because that was the one yeah um that was
the big one um I like the 70s. When they did
that, that was good. Yeah, that was a new wrinkle.
Yeah, that wasn't bad. It was on the nose with,
like, it's both Howard Stark and Agent Carter.
Like, they were both there. Yeah, it is convenient.
But with what they established in First Avenger,
it makes sense. Yeah, it does. It totally does.
So that was a little bit, like, on the nose for
me. I like the Vormir scene. I'm sorry, which
one is Hawkeye? That's the Soul Stone. Hawkeye
and Black Widow. Can we also talk about the fact
Black Widow didn't get a funeral? They kind of
just forgot about her. She died on a different
planet. She's going to come back. They don't
really have a body. I will say... No, like, there's,
like, a beat in the middle, like, not middle,
like, closer, like, at the end of part two, I
guess, where the mourning Black Widow, like,
you know, like, Professor Hulk is pissed, chucks
the bench, and then they're, like... Professor
Hulk, jeez. But that's what I'm saying, though,
is, like... Yeah. It's just, he chucks the bench,
Hawkeye's angry. Yeah. And then it's just kind
of, okay, let's do this. Let's keep going. Yeah.
Because now I've still got the Soul Stone, so
we're good. It's fine. Well, I don't know if
it's for good. It's more like we have to carry
on. Yeah, we have to carry on. Well, let's finish
it. Yeah, but it was just one of those things
where I was kind of... No, definitely. What was
the mantra? Any cost or... Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes, whatever it takes. I feel
like that was what they were digging at. Understood,
but in the end, they still couldn't give her
something. They gave Tony a funeral. True. No,
for sure. Tony had a very dramatic death. He
did. He had a very dramatic... So did she. Yeah,
she should have said... Yeah, but only Red Skull
and Hawkeye were there to see it. Yeah, right,
right, right. No, no, no. What she should have
done was she should have just looked Hawkeye
dead in the eyes and said, I am Black Widow and
then jumped over. And then Red Skull would have
been like... And snapped our way down. I'm also
a little upset that Nebula just sent him and
was just like, you'll be fine. Not giving them
any warning. I was telling Mitchell about this.
It would have been hilarious if they said, like,
because they didn't know. I don't think anyone
knew. She knew that Gamora died. Yeah, but she
didn't know why. Yeah, it's hard to... It would
have been hilarious if, like, the Hulk... It's
hard to say, like, okay, someone has to kill
the other. You know what I mean? That's true,
too. It would have been hilarious if Nebula and
the Hulk ended up being on the same mission,
and then Red Skull gives him the lowdown, and
then Hulk's like, well, I guess you're fine,
but... Hulk's throw! Well, yeah, I think if you
chucked Nebula off the cliff, no Soul Stone.
Hulk ain't got no love for Nebula. That's true.
That's what I mean. Look, if there was an hour
and a half extra in that movie, I would have
been... As Hawkeye, I would have been like, hey,
Red Skull, do you want to go on a date real quick?
Really start a relationship. If they had a rom
-com in the middle of Endgame. Yes, and then
he kills Red Skull. I just have to say, so we've
played Dungeons & Dragons before. You are such
a bard. You are such a fucking bard. Let me take
you to dinner first before I kill you for the
Soul Stone. Enchant love. Enchant love. Because,
like, I'm not killing Scar Jo, right? She's cool?
Right, yeah. She's got a prequel movie. She'll
be fine. Yeah, she'll be fine. She'll be fine.
And then Hawkeye has his Disney Plus thing, right?
Oh, yeah, he has a TV show, doesn't he? Yeah,
so... Wasn't it supposed to be... I'm really
curious. Yeah. Oh, go. Well, I'm totally changing,
but that fucking, that Tokyo scene in the beginning
of the movie was so random and out there, but
I was here for it. That single shot scene. Yeah,
exactly. That was fantastic. I'm hot. No, it
was great. It was like a fucking weave for us.
We have to show that he is now off the deep end.
Yeah, but they didn't like the most like anime
weave ass way possible. Yeah, absolutely. Fighting
in Tokyo. It's like, okay, it's in the rain.
Yeah, it's in the rain and you just did the motion
where he cleans his blade with this. Yeah. Oh,
I was so on board. it was good and then he has
the haircut I mean he's got that yeah the fucking
fade oh it was good I still love the meme like
when your hairdresser turns into dust in the
middle of a haircut it shows his hair that's
a little fucked up but pretty on point but pretty
on point yep oh god alright so anyway my last
thought for you guys yeah so Obviously, the cinematic
universe implies films making its way to theaters.
A lot of the characters that we know and love
are going to find their way to Disney+. It's
going to be a big push for that company. Do we
have any reservations about experiencing these
stories inside our homes as opposed to going
to a theater with an audience? I do, only because
I've watched Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. That
might sound a little harsh. That's a good point,
though. But I've also seen Daredevil. You know
what I mean? Yes, they're right. It could go
either way. It could go either way. My hard part
is that one of these shows is featured on Hawkeye.
I think I've had my fair share of Hawkeye. I'm
with you on that. I was almost kind of, this
movie, like, how are they going to make Hawkeye
such a big deal in this movie? Sure. And they
did well. Hawkeye, I think, was handled very
well. Yeah, definitely. But at the same time,
at the end of the day, he's a human that shoots
a bow and arrow. Right. That's a tough sell.
It is. It's going to be hard to make a TV show,
13 episodes, 20 episodes, whatever it is. It
would also be hard to find that balance because
I was actually curious about this when they did
the whole Netflix initiative, right? Where they're
like, all right, we're going to do the Defenders
and everything. I'm like, oh, how are they going
to tie into the movies? And the answer is they
didn't. So I wonder if... If they do do that
for these Disney Plus shows, how do you find
that balance of can we expect people to watch
20 plus movies and 10 plus seasons of TV shows?
My hard part going back to your Agents of S .H
.I .E .L .D., I felt like they were left high
and dry. So the end of the first season kind
of got a little good. Full disclosure, I have
not seen a single episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go for it. Keep going. So I watched the first
season. The end of the first season was actually
pretty good. They had a good twist, that kind
of stuff. Okay. I think they got left high and
dry because of Winter Soldier. Wow, they did
get left high and dry, and I have the exact opposite
opinion. It's weird because no one told them
that Hydra was going to be infiltrated by S .H
.I .E .L .D. And when they did that, I thought
the show got way better. Yeah? Yeah, dude, I
loved it. I loved how they handled the twist.
It immediately made the dynamics of that core
group of characters more interesting. Only because
of, what was his name, Ford? Yeah, Grant. Grant,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Immediately, like, oh, I have
an emotional, like, you know, there's an emotional
centerpiece character now to me that I'm like,
oh, man, like. And it was Ward, not Ford. Ward.
Yeah, Grant Ward. There you go. See, I love this
character so much, I can't even remember his
last name. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, but I agree
with the fact that he was Hydra and everything
like that. Hey, spoilers for Agents of S .H .I
.E .L .D. if you haven't seen the first season
of Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. Yeah, you can
just maybe spend some time on Agents of S .H
.I .E .L .D., maybe. Just see the first season,
I guess. Ooh. I'm not watching it. If you go,
like, seriously though, if you go, the first
eight episodes are rough. They are really hard
to get through. It's like, it's like, it's like
random X -File adventures with all of Marvel
Cinematic Universe's very, very, very small random
side characters. You know? But like episode nine.
Episode 9 through the rest of the first season,
I'd say, is like, okay, I'm happy with it. Yeah,
yeah, because you center more and more on Agent
Coulson. And that's honestly where I stopped,
too. I stopped at the end of season 2 because
then it got more into Inhumans stuff a little
bit. And that centered around Skye, who I think
is a massive Mary Sue character. So, I don't
know. It wasn't really, yeah. Anyways. It'll
be interesting to see, especially with Hawkeye.
It's basically just Arrow. Right. Well, the fact
that they're giving Hawkeye as big of a character
as Hawkeye a TV show, same with Loki, that gives
me more hope that they're going to tie more into
the – make them more consequential to the overall
plot. I don't know if I actually want that, but
on paper it would sound sweet, you know, because
that was kind of disappointing where, like, at
least with the Netflix shows, like, they fed
into each other, which was cool. But, like, no
one ever mentioned Jessica Jones. We never saw
– I would have loved to see Daredevil and Spider
-Man interact at some point. Right? Come on.
I would not have been opposed if the defenders
made that right. They're different boroughs,
but they're in New York. Exactly, yeah. You know
who else is different boroughs? Captain America
and Spider -Man. I mean, he doesn't live in New
York anymore. He's busy running his presidential
campaign. Yo, I'm from Queens! Yo, I'm slinging
here! That's why I like him coming when he's
trying to disguise his voice in the Washington
Monument. Everything's gonna be alright, man.
I love that. I thought that was a good moment.
All right. Well, it seems like we are running
out of steam on this. Yeah, we are. I need to
watch that game again. I've only seen it once
and it's still very raw emotionally for me. I
think I'm going to watch Agents of S .H .I .E
.L .D. You guys totally sold me on it. Yeah,
wow, really? With my lukewarm reception? Fuck
no. I already spoiled the ending for season one.
You guys definitely sold me on Incredible Hulk
and Thor the Dark World. The movies I've seen
bits and pieces of. Dude, Thor or Incredible
Hulk. Let me just give you a hint. Incredible
Hulk is free on demand. Are you serious? Yeah.
So I've had the capabilities. I would watch that
movie drunk. Take a drink every time you see
some really awful CGI. It'll be plastered in
half an hour. Let's make a drinking game out
of this. Actually, I'm into that. Let's do it.
Come on over. Let's make a drinking game. All
right. I'm so in. All right. Play some Edward
Fortyhands. Watch some Incredible Hulk. Oh, I
wasn't going to do Edward Fortyhands. What are
we, in college again? Oh, my God. Dude, I'm going
to be plastered for this. Anyways. All right.
Well, we're going to have another episode maybe
next week. I haven't talked to you guys yet.
Do you want to do next week? I'm in. Okay. Of
course I'm in. We'll do another one next week.
We're going to see actual movies. Just a reminder.
I'm not going to see an actual movie. These are
actual movies. These are definitely actual movies.
Well, yeah, yeah. No, but I mean besides that.
I'm going to actually have to pay up on my awful
movie. Yes. Damn it. Andre is in the barrel for
the losing movie. Fuck! I can't wait. The trailer
was so bad. It was so bad. Yeah, I've got a few
movies I'm messing around with in the head, and
now it makes it better because I feel like nobody
is going to be at the theater this week to see
anything else but Endgame. True. So I can sneak
in and see a movie by myself. Oh, man. What?
Take pictures next week. It is next week. Bro.
I'm seeing that. I want to talk about it. I'll
see you next week. Okay. Yeah, I'll let you have
it. It's going to be after the episode. Is it?
Yeah. Oh, May 10th. Yeah. Never mind. Okay. Not
this upcoming week. Next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. Never mind. Shazam. Let's go see Shazam.
Well, I was going to go see Shazam. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. All three of us? Yeah, let's do it. Guys,
you just heard a date happen here on the podcast.
I don't know when we're going to be able to see
it, but sure. We'll figure it out. We'll figure
it out. Okay. All right. Well, that will be our
MCU discussion for today. Cool. That'll do it
for myself, Mike. And Mitchell. And Andre. Any
last thoughts, guys? Any last words? We ended
an MCU podcast on Shazam. Yeah, I know. That's
hilarious. I feel a little backhanded there.
We also talked about Arrow at one point. Like,
a little bit. Man. Just dash. Ollie Queen, dude.
What a guy. I'm excited. I'm not ending on that.
I've never seen a single minute of that show.
You know what? With the Marvel Cinematic Universe
ending, I'm excited for the Smash Bros. universe,
with the first entry being Detective Pikachu
and the second being Sonic. Ooh. This is a terrible
universe. Wow. And Mario's coming up soon. Oh
yeah, that's gonna come. Dude. You made Mitchell
feel really sad. Yup. So, I will end it then.
We are Iron Man.