You know what that sound means? It's another
episode of Game for a Movie where we ask, are
you game for a movie? I am your host, Mike. I
am joined by... Mitchell. And Jill. We got a
three -person team today. But just because we're
three people does not mean Andre and T -Dog aren't
here in spirit. Oh, T -Dog. I hope Andre's not
gone off to the land where T -Dog has. Did T
-Dog die? He went to New York. That's enough.
It's more like another dimension or, you know,
Narnia to our middle earth. The worst part is
so like, so we live in middle earth. Of course
we live in middle earth. I like them hobbits.
We believe in second breakfast here. Um, it's
true. Yeah. Well, he doesn't want to watch the
bad movie. Yeah. That's the issue. He wants to
play the game, but doesn't want to suffer the
consequences when he inevitably loses. I need
him back, though, because I've been losing lately.
This previous time, I can't believe it. Mitchell,
you said that you could do a backflip, and I
said no, and Jill believed in you, and you did
that backflip, and I had to lose. I cannot believe
it. Not only did I do a backflip, I did it in
a pike, so that would be worth a lot of points
in gymnastics. Yeah. On the record, we were blasting
the Tony Hawk Pro Skater soundtrack while all
this was going down. It was rad. And the sparklers
at the end when you landed were pretty solid,
too. Just lovely. Yeah. And also, the costume.
Yeah. Exactly. The Leo cost about, you know,
$20 ,000 for me, but I think it was worth it.
And the salute I gave to the judges at the end,
as you said, but the sparklers, it definitely
helped. Yeah, I can't believe you pulled it off,
man. And especially, I can't believe you got
in that Leo. Nice. Sounds very fancy. For today's
Sunday edition of our recording session, I work
out afterwards, so I don't want to drink and
regret my life choices. But I'm drinking a delicious
vanilla Earl Grey from Tea Leaves Company. Highly
recommend if you're a tea fan. Nice. Yeah, your
daily tea with me is always a blast. They're
more like, not bi -daily, but like every other
day daily. There are some people in the tea blogging
community who, hats off to them, they post many,
many pictures a day, do it every day. There are
some days where I just want to keep the tea to
myself, where I'm like, I am drinking it, but,
you know, secret. There you go. And I am rocking
the Cerberus One from Labyrinth Brewing Company
in Manchester, Connecticut. Connecticut's finest.
Cerberus is a New England IPA. And they have
like three different ones, I believe, but all
of them are triple dry hopped with different
hops. This one has Amarillo, El Dorado, and Idaho
7 hops. And it is a delight. This four pack went
way too quickly, so whatever. They have a new
one called Champion of the Sun. Yes. It's really
good. Yeah, I brought that over to you guys.
Oh, okay, that's where it came from. I remember
seeing... one in our apartment, and then I couldn't
remember if you had brought it, or I have a friend
who literally lives next door to Labyrinth, or
she and her boyfriend had brought it over at
another time. But yeah, I tried that, and it
was delicious. I used to live right by Manchester,
and Labyrinth was a delight. It's such a good
place, fun to go to. Obviously, it's gotta be
weird right now. I haven't been since the pandemic,
but you know, it's still great. So, we're going
to jump into some movies. Mitchell, we're going
to start with you. What did you watch this past
two weeks, whatever it is now, two -ish weeks?
You know, I've been very busy, but I do make
time for great movies. And luckily, we hit on
a pretty good one this past week, One Night in
Miami. So it's on Amazon Prime, and it is a story
that is based on an actual event, but of course,
through the magic of screenplay writing. We have
a great conversation that takes place between
Malcolm X. Sam Cooke, Muhammad Ali, then Cassius
Clay, and the great running back, Jim Brown.
They all were in Miami on the same night when
Cassius Clay knocked out Sonny Ellison to become
the world heavyweight champion for the first
time ever. And this takes place after that fight
in a hotel room in Miami. So the entire thing,
based on a play written by Kemp Powers, and if
that name sounds familiar, it's because he was
brought up on this podcast before because he
was also the guy who co -directed and wrote the
screenplay for Soul. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. And
believe it or not, this guy has only had two
feature films to his filmography for anything
that he has worked on before. His entire career
leading up to the past couple of years has been
in journalism. And he was writing about Hollywood
as a journalist. And then eventually he wrote
episodes for Star Trek and then went on to work
with Pixar and then made One Night in Miami,
which was actually a play that he had written
before that was staged in L .A. So this is a
fantastic movie directed by Regina King. She
is an actress, more so known for her acting.
She won the Best Supporting Actress Oscar a few
years ago for If Beale Street Could Talk. This
is her first feature film that she's directed.
She's done a lot of TV before for shows like
Insecure, This Is Us. So she's been around in
terms of having things directed by her, but this
is her first full -length feature. And you can
tell that an actor directed this in a good way,
I'll say. Because similar to what we saw in Fences
a few years ago with Denzel directing that, also
a play, what the direction of this movie is really
focusing on is showcasing the actors. And I think
what they did in spades in this movie is the
casting work. It's everything from who was playing
Cassius Clay, who was playing All these different
characters, but the one who stood out to me,
and I'm going to name drop because I'm a huge
fan of his anyway, and he needs to be in more
things, is Leslie Odom Jr., who plays Sam Cooke.
He was Sam Cooke? Great. I didn't know he was
Sam Cooke. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, so Leslie
is given the most to do in this movie in terms
of delivering heavy dialogue or heavy monologues,
and then also... showcasing his ability to sing
which is obviously what sam cook was known for
right um but to give a black americans in the
mid 20th century on one side you have malcolm
x who is very much involved in liberating black
people and pushing for more black rights as so
many different people were back then are still
fighting for today and it's really eerie to see
all the things that he was saying back then profiting
off white people through the entertainment of
white people as Malcolm X would put it and the
guy who embodies that more than anyone else in
this movie is Sam Cooke because he is in the
music in the room And his whole ideal is that
sometimes you've got to play the game to win
it, where Malcolm X is saying you have to tear
the game apart and rebuild the new one. So you
get these two different ideologies. It's definitely
Malcolm X on one side, Cook on the other with
Jim Brown and Cassius in the middle. And you
just get this great dialogue of ideas. And I
don't think the point of the movie is to come
out on one side or the other because both have
fantastic points. Not to make this too long,
but I will say Sam Cooke, of the four men who
were featured in this movie, Sam was the guy
I knew the least about. Famous during that era
from the 50s to the 60s. He died, if you want
to look at when this movie took place. He died
less than 10 months after this event would have
taken place when he was shot and killed in L
.A. But he was a guy who approached the music
industry not just as an entertainer where he
was signing contracts with big record labels
and stuff. He was a guy who understood the power
of owning your masters and owning songs that
you actually wrote and profiting off no matter.
who the hell performed them. So he tells this
fantastic story about how he owns a record label,
one of his songwriters puts out a song, and it
does great. It cracks the top 100, yada, yada,
yada. But Sam Cooke is a savvy businessman, and
he understood that the British invasion was happening.
So what he did was he took that same song, and
the Rolling Stones, who were an up -and -coming
band at the time, wanted to cover that song.
And he lets them do it. much to the chagrin of
the original songwriter. So sure enough, not
only does the Rolling Stones cover crack the
top 100, it goes all the way up to number one
on multiple charts, rendering the original song
basically out of the charts completely. And he
was the same. My songwriter was pissed about
it for about six months. And then that first
royalty check came in. He realized how much money
there is owned. and the best line that he delivers
in that monologue is you guys want the piece
of the pie I want the whole recipe so yeah really
good line there but Malcolm X has a great line
to rebut against that which I don't want to give
away but that is the crux of this movie it's
ideas being tossed back and forth under great
direction it does suffer in my opinion from the
adaptation from the stage to the screen of dragging
a little bit where, you know, there are times
where I was looking at my phone, I kid you not,
like there's only so much of this ideology war
that I could take before I tune out when a new
idea is finally introduced. So I think the middle
of the movie drags in that respect. However,
the performances are fantastic. The set design
was beautiful. It feels like the 1960s. And Regina
King, for someone who has directed now her first
ever feature film, and for Ken Powers with this
being his second movie to come out in two months,
very impressed with the creation of this project.
It's on Amazon. I'm going to give this thing
four out of five flasks. Four out of five flasks.
Really enjoyed this movie. Leslie Odom Jr. for
Best Actor this year. Let's go. I love Leslie
Odom Jr. It's so fun when he pops up in things.
And things he gets to say in. He's so fantastic.
I'll definitely co -sign Leslie Odom Jr. I have
not seen it yet, but I'll just co -sign because
I think he's an awesome actor. Best Actor, sure.
I'm in. I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm
excited to see it. It's definitely on my list.
Especially Amazon Prime. Perfect. That's great.
Jill, that will bring us to your movie that you
saw. I haven't seen a lot of movies these last
two weeks, to be fair. Yes, but you were too
busy for the bad movie. Come on now. Yeah, I
was too busy for the bad movie, although considering
that I did watch Die Hard 2, I think I'm still
lost in the end. That is not what I'm going to
talk about. I'm going to do a blanket apology
right now. I'm going to be talking about the
film Neja or Nerja. It is a Chinese 2019 film.
The blanket apology is I do not speak Chinese,
so my ability to pronounce things only goes so
far. So if I am saying things wrong, I am sorry.
Please yell at me in the comments. Doing my best.
So Nezha is, like I said, a 2019 film. It is
based on a 16th century novel called The Investiture
of the Gods, which is part of Chinese folklore.
And it is an animated movie, and it was wonderful.
I was watching some YouTube videos about it afterwards,
and they were saying that after Kung Fu Panda
came out in the mid -2000s or the 2000 -aughts,
China really looked at that film and were like,
why aren't we doing this? We can tell our own
Chinese stories with our own art. Why is somebody
doing it and why is somebody at this point doing
it better? So that kind of lit a fire under the
growing Chinese animation film market. And there's
actually quite a few more other animated Chinese
films on Netflix, which is where this one is,
showing that this industry is starting to bubble
over. And from the things that I've seen so far,
it's great. I don't want to give away too much
since this is a rather short film. Well, actually,
no, it's 110 minutes, so it's not short, but
I don't want to give away too much. Short enough.
But I don't want to give away too much just because
once you start to watch it, at least from a Westerner's
perspective, once you start to watch it, you
can kind of see where the plot is going to go.
There is a formula to it, if you will. Right.
But it's pulled from Chinese folklore. It starts
off with these two spirit orbs, a spirit pearl
and a demon pearl. And there are gods trying
to ensure that they go to the right places, and
one is destroyed. And there is a mishap. Things
get shuffled around, and the demon pearl is put
inside a... Sorry, what's the right way to describe
it? The demon pearl is born within a human child
and is going to grow up to be a demon. And one
of the gods is like, okay, this isn't good, so
in three years I will kill... I'm going to kill
the child. Smite it down with divine lightning,
effectively. The other pearl goes to the dragons
and grows into another character. Sorry. Suddenly
very, very warm because I'm right near the heater
in my apartment. Although I lowered it, my apartment
is so good at staying cozy. So the film follows
Nerja as he grows up. And you get to see that
he's this rambunctious young child or potentially
a young teenager. The way that he's animated,
it could actually kind of go both ways. The town
does not like him. He is feared by them. He's
kept inside. He doesn't totally know what is
why he is different, but he is very aware that
he is different and that nobody really likes
him. And he just wants to be liked and appreciated,
and he's just not getting that. His parents,
to their credit, are not treating him like a
monster, but they're also not fully telling him
the truth about his identity, which leads to
some tension. And the clock is starting to run
out. The film, even though there's only a three
-year time jump, you don't really get to see
a lot of time in between. We see him being born.
We see a bit of year maybe one. Like I said,
the way he's animated, it could go either way
if he's supposed to be a young child or a rapidly
growing young teen. And it culminates in the
third year. It's his birthday. The divine lightning
is going to come down. So naturally, things get
anime and hype. There's lots of fighting and
fire and ice and gods. chubby little god who's
a bit of an alcoholic um who rides around on
a flying pig as you do wait what flying pig wait
what there's a flying pig there's a flying pig
that can show you visions by sneezing okay i
am not well versed in chinese folklore but i
am fairly certain that most of these characters
are pulled directly from that so if you are well
versed you will recognize his familiar faces
If you are not like myself, it's a fun time to
fall down a Wikipedia rabbit hole. I am being
very, very broad with my description. Like I
said, I don't want to give away too much. I did
watch it in Mandarin. There is a dub available.
I switched over to the dub for about five minutes
just because I was curious to see how it sounded
and how it varied from the intended script. It
was okay. The subtitles were still, like actual
subtitles, because I watch all films with subtitles
on, the subtitles were still giving me the text
from the Mandarin script translated into English.
And hearing what the English dub was saying,
looking at the Mandarin to English subtitles,
I flipped it back to the Mandarin. There was
small enough differences that it actually did
impact what people were saying. Minorly, like
no plot points were lost in that translation.
But you could tell it just wasn't meant to be
heard in English. It's gorgeous, wonderful animation,
and it sets up a sequel. They're building their
own divine universe with these films. Yeah, it's
funny you bring up the dubbing and subbing and
all that stuff. Because I've been watching Lupin,
as I've been telling you guys, the French show.
And the first episode I saw dubbed and is just...
awful like it's just terrible it's levels of
oh hi Dougie like that kind of stuff you know
and so I switched back to the subs and it's just
so much better like listening to the actual French
and then having the French to English subtitles
so much better yeah it's a I think a distinct
difference that Joe you picked up on it really
well is that especially going from Chinese or
Mandarin to English There are just some things
that are untranslatable to actual spoken word.
So having those subtitles at least add a little
bit more context to what's being said, which
I think is the key point. Yeah, and I do have
the Wikipedia summary in front of me just because
I was a bad person and did not take notes. Just
to clarify, there are two pearls, the demon pearl
and the spirit pearl, but they originally originate
from one chaos pearl that is split, and that's
where those two other pearls come from. So I
do apologize for not doing my homework and prepping.
The chaos gem world. Yeah. all ages this is definitely
not one of the there is another chinese film
i think it's called the white snake um i have
to double check that that you know you see an
animated film you think it's for everyone apparently
the white snake is not i would not say it is
11 and under friendly there isn't a list there
is a implied sex scene um this movie is for all
ages on the other hand um there is very islands
there is like i said anime fighting so if you
know you're a fan of dragon bbz you'll enjoy
this the only thing that i think from a westerner's
perspective is that they will find the plot to
either be confusing because this film was clearly
created for a chinese mannered audience who's
familiar with the folklore so they already know
all these characters they already know the direction
the story is going to go if you are not well
versed the plot is either going to seem really
clunky or it's just going to seem like you're
missing things. So be aware of that if you're
going to watch it, that it's not going to take
time to really hold your hand and tell you who
all these people are. It seems you already have
that knowledge baked in. And then while I thought
the animation was really beautiful, I could see
that in the world of Pixar and DreamWorks, And
to a lesser degree, Illumination, this animation
is not nearly as crisp, clean, or stylized. It
has its style, but you could also look at it
and say, oh, this looks like an Illumination
film. But it's not. It was created all in China.
And shout -outs to the animation studio that
did that. I actually should have looked up who
animated it. finding that sadly but um who are
the voices like do they have like america like
a famous american actor dub version or is it
more just like general people i would say just
general people like i have the wikipedia still
open and person i guess is um mostly known for
tv although he doesn't appear in white snake
that's the other that's the other um chinese
film that i was talking about that you you'd
look at and you think oh that's also for all
ages which is not um he's in that so we got some
crossover um yeah and then you got some just
um known voice actors there's a voice actress
who's big in the dubbing of anime and other cartoons
so No one super famous. Very similar to going
back to before Studio Ghibli merged with, worked
out its deal with Disney for distributing, how
Totoro has two dubs. There's a dub from, I think
it's like the 90s, and then there's the early,
early 2000s dub. And the one from the first dub
is not very good at all. Like, they just didn't
have the training to deliver the roles that,
you know, if you look at the second dub, I think
like, Say they're Dakota Fanning, they got actual
little girl actresses to do the dubs the second
time around. So they weren't messing around yet.
Dakota and Elle Fanning play Sotsky and May.
Interesting, okay. Not only are they actually
sisters in real life, but they're the Fanning
sisters. Right. They've been acting for years.
A little bit of pedigree there. So my point with
that is that it seems like this dub... At least
right now, for Neja, the English dub, they didn't
really tap into any big -name talent. But it
did make a lot of money. It was made on a $20
million budget, and it has grossed $742 .5 million.
What's the name of it again? What's the name
of it? Neja. Neja. N -E -Z -H -A. I thought you
were just doing a bit there. I thought you were
trying to get her to do it again. No, I was doing
it wrong out loud. I'm just trying to figure
out. So the box office was only in China, I'm
assuming? I would assume so. Yes. So it came
out in China in 2019, and then it landed. So
it came out in July 2019 in China. A very limited
run in the United States in 2019. And then it
disappeared for a while, and then it popped up.
Cool. So I'm looking into this now. The only
piece of Chinese folklore that I'm familiar with,
and I've read one translation of this story,
and it was very much an abridged version, it's
Journey to the West. And Nezha is a part of this
story. And I don't remember the character at
all. But yeah, for a lot of folks, this is like
the one story that basically has crossed all
borders beyond China in terms of understanding
this is a Chinese story. Fun fact, Dragon Ball
is actually partially based on Journey to the
West as well. I got a video game for you. I know
you're not a video game person, but I've got
a video game based on Journey to the West if
you like that. What's it called? Enslaved Odyssey
to the West. Oh, Mario Odyssey. I love that game.
Mario Odyssey, yes. No, Enslaved Odyssey to the
West. It's pretty awesome. It's one of my underrated,
but it's Xbox 360 game. But yeah. fun fact that
I'm reading right now is that for the 2019 Academy
Awards it was submitted as China's entry for
that and unfortunately it was not nominated which
is a shame because that would have been wonderful
but it wasn't submitted to Best Animated the
Best Animated film it was submitted for International
Feature Film so take away from that yeah because
I don't this is a slight tangent but if you guys
remember the film The Triplets of Belleville
That movie kind of, oh, you shook your head?
Oh, my God. It is a French movie from the early
2000s that is very, it's an experience. That's
all I can say. It is an experience. But that's
kind of what pushed me to watch this movie was
this film, The Trip is a Bill, that kind of popped
into my head. I'm like, that was one of the first
international French cartoons I had ever seen
in its native language. In theaters as well.
It was great. I was too young to see it, but
I watched it anyway. And then when I was looking
at Netflix and I saw this pop up, I'm like, oh,
international animated film. I'm going to put
this in my save for later. And then suddenly
all these YouTubers who I watch talk about animated
films were doing like best of roundups for 2020.
And because this film came onto Netflix in 2020,
they were including it, even though it's from
2019. And I'm like, all right, science deal delivered.
I'm going to watch this. Still counts. Still
counts for 2020. I don't know why I brought up
the triplets of Belleville. You can delete that
whole part. It was a random tangent. Do you watch
it? No. I'm interested. No, I think, well, I
think I'd leave it just because, like, people
need to see it. I'm happy to delete it if you
really want, but I think people should see it.
are racing in the Tour de France, right? Yes,
for the Triplets of Belleville. All I can say,
the best way for me to summarize the plot of
Triplets of Belleville is a grandmother and her
grandson are in France. He's going to be in the
Tour de France. Shenanigans ensue and the plot
is really on the grandmother trying to reconnect
in a way without spoiling too much. nausea was
so bad that i have to say it like three times
i wasn't gonna make you say it again i was just
gonna say okay rating rating rating for this
film that's not the triplets of um i would give
it four out of five sneezing flying pigs oh my
gosh uh you guys have both given it four out
of fives are you ready for that to stop yep yeah
pour some uh Pour some badness on top of this,
please. We will pour some badness. So I put a
vote on our Twitter page at GameForMovieP1. Whenever
it's me losing, I always try to come up with
four and then put it to the audience because
I just want the audience to select for me. And
I try not to let anybody know what my preference
is. This was actually one of the four that there
was two in there that I was kind of like, okay,
give me this because at least it looks a little
fun. So I'm glad at least that one won. I watched
Avengers Grimm. So it gets released at the same
time as Age of Ultron. And they totally jumped
on it. Yeah, right. They tried to compete with
it. So Avengers Grimm is all about those Grimm
fairy tales. You got Snow White, Cinderella,
Sleeping Beauty, Little Red Riding Hood, and...
I'm missing one. Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping
Beauty, Little Red Riding Hood. By the way, already
has more female heroes than the entire MCU. I
think that's what they're trying for. Isn't it
weird that whenever you say its title, I just
imagine the characters from the video game Grimm
Fandango? Yes! First video game I played on my
new Xbox like an idiot because it has terrible
graphics. And I said, ooh, best graphics system.
I'm going to play the worst graphics game. But
it's just I never played Grim Fandango. Lou Ferrigno
is in this? Lou Ferrigno is in this. We will
get to that. Don't worry. Does he play the Hulk?
No. He plays the Hulk. No, he plays. We'll get
to it. Don't worry, guys. Don't worry. I'll get
you there. So we start off. First, I want to
ask you guys about the Mandela effect. Do you
guys know the Mandela effect? You mean the Mandela
effect or the Nelson Mandela effect? Like the
Nelson Mandela effect. Okay, then no. Unless
I think the Mandela effect's the same thing.
So the Mandela effect is the belief that everybody
has of something that is not correct. Okay, is
the bear staying bears? Yes. So, for example,
the reason it's named this is a lot of people
believe Nelson Mandela died in prison. Really?
Yeah. Yeah. And he became president, yeah. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. I'm aware of that one. I think that
the Bears being Bears is a better example. Well,
so the example I have is, did you know that the
words mirror, mirror on the wall were never said
in the original Snow White? Yes, because I'm
a Disney nerd. So what's the actual quote then?
Magic Mirror on the Wall. Oh. Okay. Yeah. This
is one that blows my mind because literally it
is, they made a movie called Mirror Mirror. Yeah.
With Julia Roberts, right? Yeah. Yeah, with Julia
Roberts. And so the beginning of this movie,
of course, starts with Snow White going Mirror
Mirror on the Wall. Bullshit! You're wrong, movie.
I poured myself a gin and tonic. Five minutes
into the movie, I had no more gin and tonic.
Oh. And it wasn't like on purpose. It wasn't
like it was just, okay, I'm just going to drink
because it's always been a drink. I was literally
sitting there just like, oh, oh no. Maybe it
was the best goddamn gin and tonic he ever made
and coincided with a not great film. It was pretty
decent. So Rumpelstiltskin is leading an undead
army, essentially. That's the best way to describe
it. And it's played by the guy who is in Starship
Troopers. I can't think of his name. Cass? Neil
Patrick Harris? No. Casper Van Dien? Casper Van
Dien. That's it. So he's in Starship Troopers.
He is Rumpelstiltskin. He is leading this undead
army where basically he can just control people
and take over their minds. They become like army,
like undead army. That's the best way I can describe
it. They're not actually dead. They can be converted.
So the four princesses and the queen. who is
Snow White, Rumpelstiltskin uses the magic mirror
to get to the real world instead of the fairytale
world. Snow White follows him to protect it.
The Big Bad Wolf washes over a fairytale world
who is a human being that's just gigantic. The
Big Bad Wolf is just a large human? Yes, named
Wolf. And he's played by Lou Fragna? No. Damn
it! No. Lou Ferrigno gets the, like, hero's welcome
in the middle of the movie. Oh, boo. Wait, very
important question that has to be answered. Okay.
Is Rumpelstiltskin hot? I mean, Casper Van Dyne...
You got a hot Rumpel situation? I mean, he's
attractive. I would say that the actor is attractive,
and they don't do anything to, like, make him
look ugly. Okay. It's not like Once Upon a Time
where they make Rumpelstiltskin Robert Carlyle
with, like, gold paint and, like, old makeup.
Yeah, but... We're supposed to find his tragic
backstory attractive and feel true. At least
I did until I raged quit halfway through season
three. So I just want to say what backstory because
there was no backstory in this. So he gets to
the real world. Snow White goes after him. The
four. other princesses and well three other princesses
and commoner little red riding hood uh get through
the mirror into the real world and it breaks
and little red riding hood has like a piece of
the mirror in her back but so does the wolf and
little red riding hood wants revenge against
the wolf because it killed her family so she
runs off she's just like bye felicia i'm off
to my own movie yes uh the Three princesses.
I feel like I'm missing one, and I don't know.
No, so Snow White is, like, she's been there
a while, and, like, real time passes more quickly
than fairy tale time, so she's been there for,
like, two months already. Okay. The Rumpelstiltskin
has made himself mayor of this town, and is,
like, getting an undead army ready to take over
the real world. Okay. Little Red Riding Hood.
Yeah. Little Red Riding Hood goes to this bar
that the wolf has killed all these people in.
And it belongs to Iron John. Iron Man? Played
by? Lou Ferrigno! And when we talk about the
acting in this film, Lou Ferrigno, is he known
for his acting? Hulk Hogan is known for his persona.
He's a persona actor. He's the Hulk. That's it.
He was the Hulk that one time. Yeah. Very famously
that one time. I know. Very famously. Well, what
I will say about it is Lou Ferrigno is the best
actor in this film. Ooh. Yes. That's what my
point was. So he has grown so much as an actor.
I'm very proud of him. He attended some classes.
Maybe he taught the classes. So remember before
the show, I was saying how this would not be
the last time we talk about porn. Yes. It's not
a porno. It's not a porno. This movie's rated
not R. It's not rated R. Well, no, it might be
because they do say fuck a few times. It's not
rated according to IMDb. It's probably R. They
do say fuck a few times. That's about it. What
I will say is what this movie feels like is a
pilot for old porn actresses. You know, like
it's that feature film to try to get out of it.
It's cheesy, hokey acting. And so a lot of it
is just like, oh, no, he can't get the mirror.
That would be awful. It's so steamy. So this
is like when in Moulin Rouge, when Nicole Kidman's
Satine is like, I will leave this world, you
know, the Moulin Rouge, this world of like nightclubs
and stuff like that, and become a real actress.
Yes. That's what this is. Yes, pretty much that's
what it feels like anyway. I know none of the
actresses from anything else, so it feels like
it's that like just step up kind of thing. So
Iron John, of course, wants revenge on Little
Red, who can kick ass. She, like, is in cuffs.
God, I'm getting ahead of myself. And it's just
because this movie's so bad and I want to, like,
race out of it. So, Little John, second in command,
puts her in cuffs. She gets taken to where Iron
John is. And she does, like, this flip and, like,
chokes out Lou Ferrigno with the cuffs and, like,
brings him to the ground. And she's like, I just
wanted to show you I could kill you if I wanted
to, but... I wanted to also prove it wasn't me
who killed your men. Okay. Yeah. Violence always
answers that question of who committed violence.
Right. So she breaks out of the cuffs and runs
away while everybody's shooting at her. She also
has a bow and arrow that she's ridiculously good
at shooting. Oh, just like Jeremy Renner. Yeah.
Yeah. That's our Hawkeye. Yeah. Yeah. Come in.
The other girls get there and are just like,
we're looking for this girl wearing red. And
he's like, oh, she trashed my men. We're going
to get you now. The powers are never explained,
but they all have powers. The weirdest of which
is Sleeping Beauty, who just holds her hand in
front of your face and you fall asleep. Like
it shoots like instant sleep. Rapunzel has a
wig. That's who I was missing, is Rapunzel. Rapunzel
has, like, a definite wig. Like, it's obviously
a wig. And she can whip her hair like a mace.
I can whip my hair. I can whip my hair. Like,
she, like, can grab people and, like, pull them
down. And, like, she can also hit them in the
face with her hair that's obviously very strong.
So she's, like, Captain America, but with hair
instead of a shield? I guess. Loose. That was
loose. That was bad. I guess, well, technically,
Marvel's... What was that failed Marvel TV series
when it started with them on the moon and it
had, like, that actress in a really bad April
wig? Oh, the... It's not Eternals. I can't remember
what it's called. It's not Eternals. Oh, um...
With the dog and everything? Yeah. God, what
was that thing called? Inhumans. Inhumans. Inhumans.
So, yes, those are... MCU 1 to 1. I would compare
it more to Inhumans, yes. But yeah, they all
have these weird powers. Snow White can make
things cold. She's Storm. What? Yeah. She can
make things cold? Yes, like freeze and stuff.
I'm annoyed by that laziness. Yes, Snow White.
They just took the names and just kind of said
make powers around it. And then Cinderella doesn't
really do much the entire movie. I don't like
it in the animated film. yeah i guess so yeah
um but yeah so it's um they all have like kung
fu powers and that kind of stuff and basically
the whole idea is they just need to like close
the portal so rumpled stiltskin can't have his
army and they can get back home um there's a
scene where i'm jumping ahead because really
i i was not paying attention to the entire movie
and you know things happen uh there's a scene
where red and uh iron john get put in jail In
separate cells. Iron John wants revenge against
Red Riding Hood, who somehow gets out. He makes
a deal with Rumpelstiltskin. Rumpelstiltskin's
just like, what do they call you? And he's like,
Iron John. Ooh, Iron John, I can work with that.
So he makes him iron. Okay. Wait, so like iron
man? No, like iron. And when I say iron, they
spray paint him silver. He's the Hulk, but silver.
Like the Incredible Hulk TV show, but silver.
I mean, I guess Lou Frigno is no stranger to
full body makeup, so. That's why he was perfect.
Okay, lazy. So they have to, like, go to the
mayor's office, get Rumpelstiltskin to close
the portal. Rumpelstiltskin, like, kidnaps Snow
White. And there's, like, this really awkward
scene where he's just like, I'll let your people
go if you just stay with me. And, like, gets,
like, on top of her. And is, like, leaning in
for a kiss that lasts way too long because the
rest of them break into there. End of the movie,
he's, like, holding Snow White hostage. He has
her, like, in front of him, hiding behind her.
And, like... Red has the bow at her and blah,
blah, blah. It looks kind of like the Avengers
at the end of Avengers when they're, like, pointing
their stuff at Loki. Yeah. Yeah. Well, basically,
Snow White makes an icicle and stabs herself
and him. And they all die. Or, like, Rumpelstiltskin
doesn't die, but he gets away. And Snow White,
they think, is dead. They also... Iron John closes
the portal so nobody can get through. So now
they're stuck in the real world and have no way
to get back. Sequel! And there is a sequel. What
is it called? Avengers Grimm Time Wars. Wow.
So there's time travel. Okay, but I thought there
was three different dimensions. Yep. I have not
watched it. I don't plan to. No. I think you
do plan to. Nope. I'm going to make somebody
else watch it. They don't need to see the first
one. Because I think they recast, like, half
the cast. Looking at Iron John, and he is literally
just painted silver. Like, there's no CG or anything
cool. Like, he's just painted silver. Anyone
else can do this. Yes, it is body paint. That
is not good. I think I would actually have preferred
if he just did, like, a silver morph suit. That
would be funny. So, a question that I have is,
on the scale of fan service, from being, like,
none, to the very few things they know about
Sucker Punch, which is fan service for men. The
movie, where does this fall? Is this tasteful,
or is this Sucker Punch? Sucker Punch. I mean,
it's... I guess it's fan service because you
just see your favorite fairytale characters kick
ass. But are they dressed scantily? Yes, yeah,
they're pretty, yeah, they've got tight clothes,
like, yeah, it's, like I said, it's a step up
from a porno, it really is. Like Sucker Punch.
Yeah, but Sucker Punch, I mean, like, yeah, it's
not done tastefully, but Sucker Punch at least
tried to have a better story. Yeah, I've never,
I know that there's this whole, that's Zack Snyder,
right? Yeah. Yeah, like his whole thing was like,
this movie is supposed to be a critique. the
type of people who would come and see this film,
so I made that film. It kind of Ouroboros -es
itself. No, Zack Snyder wanted to make this film
and then got caught being a sleazebag and then
decided to change his tune. I should watch that.
That would be my bad movie. I'll watch Sucker
Punch sometime. Oh my gosh. I don't wish that
on anybody. So I'm guessing you didn't like Avengers
Grimm. I did not. The worst part is, I was just
not paying attention so much that I didn't even
have a second drink. And so I watched this relatively
sober, which is a problem in itself. It sounds
like there wasn't a real conclusion either. No.
It didn't feel like its own movie in that it
was preoccupied, much like Age of Ultron, in
setting up the rest of the MCU. And this one,
setting up the rest of the Avengers Grimm MCU.
Which is the second Avengers Grimm movie, and
there's a third one from this company called
The Asylum that is a Suicide Squad ripoff. And
I'm not joking, like, ripoff. Like, this is pretty
ripoff. This is like... It takes a lot of it
and everything like that. Suicide Squad, they're
not even hiding it. You know what the best part
is about this movie? Just a brief Google search.
I typed in Avengers Grimm. The first link I saw
was for its IMDb page. And it was listed Avengers
Grimm parentheses video. It wasn't even like
movie or TV. It was like video. Yeah, it does
say that. It doesn't even qualify as a movie
according to IMDb. Does it have its budget information?
Only 85 minutes. I'm curious to know how much
it was made for. It's a mockbuster. If you ask
me how much it was made for, I think we could
put all the money in our pockets together and
we could make a better movie. Oh, I'm down. Time
Wars, wow. If we made a game for a movie movie,
what would it be about? I feel like it would
be almost like... It could go a few ways. I could
see us doing a mock you... style series of like
us trying to make a movie or write a script.
Yeah. I can see that. A movie about movies. Yeah,
there you go. I would want it to be a thriller
about us trying to find where the hell T -Dog
is. There will be no conclusion. It'll just be
about all the friends that we made along the
way. And it turns out that T -Dog was behind
this the entire time. I would love a Saving Private
Ryan with T -Dog just in our group. That's it.
He's the Saving Private Ryan of the group. I
feel like the post -credit team would just be
like, we're somewhere and we get a text message
being like, hey, I'm down to hang out tonight
if you guys are. You free? That'd be amazing.
That's how it always starts. Yeah, so Avengers
Grimm. Jesus Christ, this movie. I'm going to
give it the Mitchell Zero. The half Amir Shard.
That's not too bad. Could be worse, yes, I would
agree. Not the Mitchell Zero. They made a movie.
Well, so, like, I can give a movie a zero. I
don't care. What I would say about it is they
tried to do something fun, and for the sheer
fact that they just had the balls to try to rip
off Avengers... And once upon a time. And once
upon a time. I'll give it to them. Like, you
know, it's not good by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm not saying to see it. But that they had the
balls to do it, well done. Yeah, so half a star,
half a mere shard. I do wonder if Elsa pops up
in the sequel. No, they don't need it. It's got
Snow White. Oh yeah, there was actually a spoiler.
I'm not 100 % sure that I saw this right, but
there's a part where Snow White's in an ice cocoon
and then all of a sudden just goes and wakes
up and that's real credits. So she might be around
for the sequel, even though I think they replaced
half the cast. Okay. I love it when a movie has
a sequel and then they bring back characters
that are absolutely not the same actors. Like
The Mummy 3. I think this is definitely how that's
going to go. But yeah. So we're going to take
a quick break because we've got to give some
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can find them on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
all that good stuff. So, we're going to be doing
our next segment. Our next segment is everybody's
favorite, of course, Mike's Mane. Yay! Hooray,
favorite! If you haven't listened to the show
before, why haven't you? But more so, so Claire
and I watched a movie. It is a fairly popular
movie. And your second hint, friends. Finally.
It was an Oscar -nominated film. Okay, can I
guess? Can I guess? Wait, that was all you needed?
We went from nothing to something. Okay. All
right. Because for many weeks now, I've been
saying... Chris Kringle from Santa Claus is Coming
to Town, which is wrong, unfortunately. It is
very wrong. I'm going to go with this. I'm going
to go with this. Relatively recent, we've probably
seen it, nominated for an Oscar. I'm going to
go with Jeff Bridges from True Grit. Jeff Bridges
from True Grit. Jeff Bridges from True Grit.
Hold on, I need to look at recently nominated
Oscar films. Not Jeff Bridges from True Grit.
Jeff Bridges from the Big Lebowski. You get one
guess per episode. One guess. I still have my
guess, and I will hold it close to my chest until
I've reviewed. I'm still trying to figure out
if I want to post my picture online, but if you
want to play along, I'd be happy to send you
a picture of what everybody's guessing off of.
It feels a little weird to send a picture of
myself to random strangers, but, you know, whatever.
Just put it on Twitter. Put it on Instagram.
to strike a pose and go for it. Yeah, I'll get
involved. But yeah, so... I've got my guess.
You've got your guess. Okay. I think I have a
guess. Bradley Cooper from A Star is Born. Ding,
ding, ding. We have a winner. Look at that. My
favorite movie. I actually really enjoyed that
movie. It still shouldn't have been nominated
for shit, but... I appreciate that you finally
threw us a bone with the... hint, because I was
never going to get that, but then looking, once
you said that, I'm like, alright, let me just
review some recent Oscar films. And I'm like,
oh, Star is Born. I think he had a beard in that.
So I was talking to Kylie. Yeah, so I'm trying
to pull that off. We'll see what happens. My
hair does not grow very long, so it's probably
going to be done April, May. Do I win something?
You win the respect and admiration of us. Nice.
I'm going to, like, actually do a better look
at what he looks like. Because I've never seen,
I haven't seen the remake of A Star is Born.
Okay, so I didn't know if you had or not. It's
funny, so yesterday I was talking to Kyle about
it and saying how my hair is long and everything
like that. And he goes, why are you growing your
hair out? I told him about Mike's mane, blah,
blah, blah. Literally, as soon as I finish, because
he goes, oh, what are you trying to do it as?
And I was like, I can't tell you because people
are guessing. As soon as I finish saying that.
In the shallow, shallow. It's like playing over
the speaker at, we were at Noodles and Company.
And I'm like, oh my God, it's a sign. Yes. I
look forward to seeing the final product. Let's
see if I get bored with it first. Let's see if
I make it. That was like shot in the dark guessing.
No, that was a good guess. Well done. Well done.
This is what, our second time? So Mike's main.
That was a great segment, guys. It's now gone.
I'm going to get you, like, one of those, like,
the things you put on your fridge. Like, the
guys with, like, the magnets inside that you,
like, do the hair. Holy Billy? That dude. We'll
get you one of those. And then every month or
so, you can do, like, guess the cinema hair.
That'd be fun. Yeah, we could do that. Something
like that. I can't think of a good alliteration
with cinema and another word for hair that starts
with the letter C. Cinema cut. Cinema cut. I
don't know. Okay, well, that'll bring us to our
next new segment. So this came about because
Netflix is releasing a new movie on streaming
every week this year. Of course, we have HBO
Max is releasing a bunch of movies as well. So
we're going to do the work for you. We're going
to see those movies that are getting released
week after week or on different stations or whatever.
And we're going to tell you if it is hashtag
cash or trash. Those cash movies, the ones you
should see. I just hit the table. I'm so excited.
The cash movies are the ones you should see.
The trash movies, throw it out. Get rid of it.
Okay. Jill, you had one that you had seen. Yes.
I watched, let me bring up specs for it just
so everything is correct. I watched the recently
released Little White Tiger. Priyanka Chopra.
Yes, Priyanka Chopra. Directed by... Come on.
Load, load, load. I want to make sure I pronounce
the director's name correctly. First year. Where's
the director information? Directed by Ramin Baharani.
Ramin. Starring Priyanka Chopra, as Mike said,
as well as Indian actor Ardash Gaurav. This is...
Yeah, I believe it actually is fully. It's directed
by, I believe the director's Armenian. It is
an Indian production. It is pulling from IMDb
because I think this is just a really good summary.
An ambitious Indian driver uses his wit and cunning
to escape from poverty and rise to the top. And
it's based on a New York Times bestselling novel
by the same name. It is definitely cash. Watch
this movie. If you've heard anything about it,
you've probably heard comparisons to Parasite
and perhaps Joker. I'm not going to tip my hat
and tell you which film I think it leans more
towards, but if you enjoy black comedy and a
very scathing criticism of class, then this is
definitely a movie for you. It is a little bit
long. It's over two hours. So bring some popcorn,
get a large drink. But it's really, really good.
Nice. Mitchell, I forgot to ask you before the
show. Did you have one for this or? No. The last
thing I saw on Netflix that was an original was
Queen's Gambit. And people love it. So, yes.
That's a watch. Queen's Gambit cash. Okay, perfect.
I have Outside the Wire, which was the second
released one for Netflix, starring Anthony Mackie.
It is a war film about a drone pilot who gets
put on the front line to learn the value of human
life, and he gets assigned to Anthony Mackie's
cyborg. Yes, he is a cyborg. So it's like great,
but with robots. Yes. And basically, they have
to get this... vaccine to war criminals uh outside
the wire roll credits um the first half of the
movie was cash and then it went all wrong straight
trash uh so i will say it is straight trash uh
including a predictable ending that you can guess
what happens especially when you get to about
the halfway point you know what's going to happen
um That's no good. And so then it just gets boring.
And a war movie with cyborgs that gets boring.
Hmm. I wonder why it doesn't work. You know,
Battleship is a war movie with giant boats fighting
giant ships. And that movie got immediately boring.
So never doubt the ability to get boring. Yes.
Yeah, that's true. That is true. And like we've
always said, like a boring movie is miserable.
Yes. Yeah. That is the worst kind. That is the
worst kind. Yep. So. Was it just poorly acted,
or just... No, like, Anthony Mackie... Anthony
Mackie acts the shit out of it, and I can't remember
the other guy's name. I just can't pull it up,
but the other guy's pretty good, too. It's just
the storyline just gets so convoluted, and there's
a war dog that they're trying for, and they basically
go... They try to outsmart themselves. Anthony
Mackie, you know, is a cyborg from almost the
beginning. and you realize he's doing things
that are strange because he's breaking his three
rules of robotics you know like it's and it's
pretty obvious he's doing it and it's all because
he wants to be the hero that takes down this
war dog that is the bad guy and then there's
another twist that happens that i will save well
i mean We haven't gotten this far in a cache
of trash because this is brand new. Do you guys
want to know the ending? Because I'm saying to
trash, don't watch it. Yeah. I'm going to say
I'm never going to watch it either. Even though
I am sad to know, like, I like Anthony Mackie.
He's an actor and he's one of those people where
it's like, if I see he's in a thing, I'm going
to want to watch it. Right. And like he produced
this one too. So I was thinking, Oh, this will
be great. Yeah. Um, so he kills the war dog.
And then he, like, knocks out the human that
is with him and leaves him for dead, kind of.
Because he is going to nuke the U .S. That escalated
quickly. Yes. He's going to nuke the U .S. and
basically fix the world's problems. So he's an
eco -terrorist? Kind of, yeah. I guess if you're
nuking the world, that puts you solidly in the
eco -terrorism camp. Right. And so he's going
to do this to get rid of the problems, I guess.
And the human has to come to its aid and put
him out of his misery. Which basically, if the
human ever set out the tracker chip, they would
shut down the cyborg and then start from scratch
because it was like an experiment. So he has
him cut out his tracker. That kind of stuff.
And it's like obvious, oh God, he's going to
turn. You know, like that kind of stuff. Yeah,
straight trash. I've watched some bad movies
lately. Sounds like it. Yeah, I'm sorry. You
need a dose of good quality. Yeah, I've watched
some decent stuff, but... Watch the White Tiger.
What the hell is going on? Don't watch Radium
Girls. That was disappointing. One Night in Miami
is also very good. Yeah, I'm going to go to town
on these. Trust me, I'm going to definitely watch
One Night in Miami. So to conclude our latest
segment, which is Cash or Trash, hashtag Cash
or Trash, you can tell us what you've watched,
that is hashtag Cash or Trash, on Twitter, at
GameForAMovieP1, Facebook, GameForAMovie, or
Instagram, GameForAMovie. Tell us what you've
seen, what's cash, what's trash. Yeah, we'd love
to get you involved. That'll do it for this episode.
Episode 28, guys. We are two away from we've
been doing on the 15s a bad movie together. As
well as, you know what, I've already spilled
the beans on Twitter. If you are listening to
this, please send us the worst movie you have
ever seen. It is just at the beginning of February
when this episode gets released. In March, we
are going to be doing a 64 -movie March Badness
Tournament. Yeah. I've been taking the worst
of the worst. Mitchell, you still have to send
me yours. Can I just throw it out there right
now? Sure. It's a movie that I... Okay, there
are two of them. I'm a big fan of superhero movies,
so whenever they're awfully... made and bad they
pissed me off okay and uh dark phoenix is by
far one of the worst movies i've seen in the
past five years okay and before then where i
actually felt pissed off for watching it was
uh ryan reynolds green lantern which i have not
seen oh good for you it's yeah don't don't put
yourself through it um we'll add those two okay
where it's like you look at it and you're like,
I'm really happy they had a career after this.
Yes, yes. He's made a career out of making fun
of that movie. Good for him. Yeah, good for Ryan.
So I'm going to take your worst of those because
we're doing one per person just to give shout
outs and everything like that. I've been taking
the Rotten Tomatoes score, the average between
the critics and the audience, and that is deciding
the seating. Gotcha. So, yes, looking forward
to that. Our March Badness. If you have a March
Badness movie that you want to suggest, please
send it in to us. But yeah, so that'll do it
for episode 28. And then episode 30, we're going
to watch a bad movie together. It's going to
be great. Socially distant, if we have to. If
we have to, exactly. That new Netflix party is
now Teleparty. So we can do HBO Max or Amazon
Prime. No, not Amazon Prime, but Hulu, Disney
Plus, and Netflix. So we can all watch something
socially distanced. Maybe T -Dog will join us.
Maybe T -Dog will join us, yes. But that'll do
it. I've been your host, Mike. I'm joined by...
Mitchell. And Jill. Thank you guys very much
for listening to Game for a Movie, where we ask,
are you game for a movie? See you next time.