WEBVTT 00:00:02.129 --> 00:00:04.490 You know what that sound means it's another episode 00:00:04.490 --> 00:00:06.889 of game for a movie where we ask are you game 00:00:06.889 --> 00:00:09.609 for a movie? My name is Mike. I am joined by 00:00:09.609 --> 00:00:13.269 Hey, I'm Zach Zach welcome to the show buddy 00:00:13.269 --> 00:00:16.350 Thanks, Mike. How are you? I'm doing well, buddy 00:00:16.350 --> 00:00:18.550 I've been wanting to get you on the show for 00:00:18.550 --> 00:00:21.190 a long time I've been on the show for a long 00:00:21.190 --> 00:00:25.429 time, but having kids was a choice I made I Mean, 00:00:25.449 --> 00:00:30.370 that's your own fault. Yes Before we get into 00:00:30.370 --> 00:00:33.090 stuff about you, we also need to talk about you 00:00:33.090 --> 00:00:36.170 have a podcast of your own. Don't you? I do. 00:00:36.170 --> 00:00:38.210 It's kind of on hiatus, but it's coming back 00:00:38.210 --> 00:00:41.630 soon. Okay. I still would love to give you a 00:00:41.630 --> 00:00:44.829 shout out for that. Yeah. It's called creatoring 00:00:44.829 --> 00:00:50.570 like creator ing. Okay. Talk to folks who create 00:00:50.570 --> 00:00:55.450 stuff, designers, animators, filmmakers, video 00:00:55.450 --> 00:00:58.689 game developers. and just get to know the people 00:00:58.689 --> 00:01:01.689 behind the creations. You know, like, I know 00:01:01.689 --> 00:01:05.349 how Unreal Engine works, so I don't really give 00:01:05.349 --> 00:01:07.689 a crap about talking about Unreal Engine. Right. 00:01:07.689 --> 00:01:10.750 But I want to know why they wanted to do it. 00:01:10.810 --> 00:01:12.590 Does that make sense? OK. Yeah, that makes complete 00:01:12.590 --> 00:01:14.230 sense. No, I love that. So we dive into that. 00:01:14.250 --> 00:01:16.799 Yeah. No, that's awesome, dude. You didn't even 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.120 tell me about that one. I thought last time we 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:20.920 talked you were a part of podcast That was a 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:22.859 different podcast. Oh, yeah with the paperback 00:01:22.859 --> 00:01:25.000 brigade Yeah, we just wrapped that up because 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:26.659 we're bringing it was kind of an in -between 00:01:26.659 --> 00:01:29.280 show We just talked about books. We liked while 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.799 we were building up our list of guests for the 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:35.000 other show Okay, got that makes it so no, that's 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.140 awesome. Yeah, we're switching back. I love it. 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:39.140 No, that's fantastic, dude I didn't even know 00:01:39.140 --> 00:01:42.939 about this. This is good. Yeah, the bombs on 00:01:42.939 --> 00:01:45.349 you. That's what this is. Yeah, right Uh, the 00:01:45.349 --> 00:01:47.109 normal question I ask somebody that comes on 00:01:47.109 --> 00:01:49.530 the show, what is the worst movie you've ever 00:01:49.530 --> 00:01:53.349 seen? Oh God. Yeah, you're welcome. I got to 00:01:53.349 --> 00:01:54.890 drop it on you. I can't give you a heads up on 00:01:54.890 --> 00:01:58.489 that. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Um, I'm just 00:01:58.489 --> 00:02:00.730 going to go with my gut and I've probably seen 00:02:00.730 --> 00:02:05.510 worse since then, but Evil Bong is near the top 00:02:05.510 --> 00:02:10.930 of that list. Oh my God. Uh, next year at Halloween, 00:02:10.930 --> 00:02:13.710 I think we're going to do episodes on like, uh, 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:18.539 Weird killers like evil bong We might have to 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:22.020 do rubber finally Russia, okay. I liked rubber 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:24.259 though like rubber at least has a story in a 00:02:24.259 --> 00:02:27.439 point. It's weird because yeah There's so many 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:29.919 people that either are one side of love it or 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:32.819 one side of absolutely hated it Yeah, that's 00:02:32.819 --> 00:02:34.319 more. So why I want to do it. I want to get a 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.139 group together to watch that one But yeah, I 00:02:37.139 --> 00:02:38.719 could definitely fall on the love side. You know 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.889 the idea of a horror movie Who's central premise 00:02:43.889 --> 00:02:46.289 and one of the villains is the people watching 00:02:46.289 --> 00:02:49.430 the movie? Okay, at least an interesting concept 00:02:49.430 --> 00:02:52.789 versus a demonic bong who has a strip club inside 00:02:52.789 --> 00:02:57.189 of it that like eat your soul over time So we 00:02:57.189 --> 00:02:58.930 might kick this off early as well with thanks 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:02.169 killing this Thanksgiving I'm on board and then 00:03:02.169 --> 00:03:04.389 Eli Roth's Thanksgiving next year Thanksgiving. 00:03:04.389 --> 00:03:08.430 Yes, it's coming Yeah. Well, we've got a bad 00:03:08.430 --> 00:03:10.210 movie that we are going to talk about, but first 00:03:10.210 --> 00:03:12.250 we got to talk about what we are drinking. I'll 00:03:12.250 --> 00:03:16.509 let you kick it off. Yeah. So I'm going seasonal. 00:03:17.870 --> 00:03:20.990 I have a hot cocoa with marshmallows in it, Mike. 00:03:21.090 --> 00:03:23.870 That's where I'm at this afternoon. I love it, 00:03:23.889 --> 00:03:28.409 though. That's great. I am rocking a 90 minute 00:03:28.409 --> 00:03:33.229 IPA from Dogfish Head. You like Dogfish Head, 00:03:33.330 --> 00:03:35.719 right? You talk about them a lot. Yeah, yeah, 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.219 especially they're 120 minute. I couldn't find 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:40.620 that. That's phenomenal. But they're 90 minutes. 00:03:40.659 --> 00:03:43.860 Pretty good. I found it in the store in the special 00:03:43.860 --> 00:03:47.919 edition section. And I got it probably seasonal 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:51.080 drinker. I guess so. I don't know. They release 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.219 it weird times, I feel like. I will say it's 00:03:54.219 --> 00:03:57.400 more built for fall than summer. Like you don't 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.120 want a 90 minute IP during the summer. Sure. 00:04:00.740 --> 00:04:04.349 But it's it's. The fact that I got it probably 00:04:04.349 --> 00:04:06.909 two days ago and four of the six bottles are 00:04:06.909 --> 00:04:09.370 gone already says what it needs to say about 00:04:09.370 --> 00:04:13.990 that. Totally. Cool. I will say I wish I was 00:04:13.990 --> 00:04:16.269 a little drunker for this movie that we watched. 00:04:17.089 --> 00:04:21.209 Yeah, yeah. OK, so just to part the curtain a 00:04:21.209 --> 00:04:23.449 little bit, I finished this movie about 10 minutes 00:04:23.449 --> 00:04:27.529 ago. And my wife and I watched it. Oh, my God. 00:04:27.550 --> 00:04:29.790 You got her to watch it. She watched it with 00:04:29.790 --> 00:04:32.629 me. Yeah. She was working on other stuff and, 00:04:32.629 --> 00:04:34.490 you know, playing video games, but she was watching 00:04:34.490 --> 00:04:38.769 it with me. And I hadn't seen it since like 2000. 00:04:39.430 --> 00:04:43.509 I never saw it before last night. I watched it 00:04:43.509 --> 00:04:48.629 last night. Yeah, that was a movie. It's OK. 00:04:48.730 --> 00:04:51.930 So, hey, I got a list. Do you like CGI babies? 00:04:52.389 --> 00:04:57.550 Do you like CGI Griffins? Do you like movies 00:04:57.550 --> 00:05:00.629 where the only colors are black, maroon, and 00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:03.730 brown? Uh, okay with that one. So I'll say one 00:05:03.730 --> 00:05:07.310 for three. Do you like gratuitous shots of Catherine 00:05:07.310 --> 00:05:09.189 Zeta -Jones that could have only come out in 00:05:09.189 --> 00:05:12.709 the 90s? Yes. Two of four. Then I've got a movie 00:05:12.709 --> 00:05:16.449 for you. I'm halfway on that list. I even included 00:05:16.449 --> 00:05:19.069 a note. John DeBot, he knocked it out of the 00:05:19.069 --> 00:05:23.279 park. This is the most DeBot movie. Ever. Yeah. 00:05:24.180 --> 00:05:27.939 This movie is The Haunting from 1999. I have 00:05:27.939 --> 00:05:30.740 to clarify that because there's like 14 haunting 00:05:30.740 --> 00:05:34.879 movies. You look up The Haunting on Rotten Tomatoes 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:36.899 to try to find the score, which I did when I 00:05:36.899 --> 00:05:40.019 first heard about this movie. I had to go through 00:05:40.019 --> 00:05:42.720 seven pages to get to this one. And you asked 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.939 me to watch the only bad one on that list. Yeah, 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.500 apparently. Yeah, this is the whole. This is 00:05:49.500 --> 00:05:52.519 what we do. Yeah. Welcome to the show. This is 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:56.000 I've listened so much and I didn't realize the 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.319 other side that it would it would be this. But 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.879 it is we're here. Yeah. This movie had so much 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:07.699 potential. OK, I love Mike Flanagan. Yes. Pretty 00:06:07.699 --> 00:06:09.759 much everything Mike Flanagan does. Yeah. The 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:13.480 Haunting of Hill House. Yep. This is the worst. 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:15.689 This is not that. This is the worst version of 00:06:15.689 --> 00:06:18.910 The Haunting of Hill House. Even the 1963 version 00:06:18.910 --> 00:06:21.569 is supposed to be a masterpiece. I have to go 00:06:21.569 --> 00:06:23.889 find that after this. Yeah, right. Just to get 00:06:23.889 --> 00:06:26.050 like just to cleanse the palette a little bit, 00:06:26.129 --> 00:06:29.170 like to find the 1963 one. Is that the one? I 00:06:29.170 --> 00:06:32.410 got to look it up now. But is that the one with 00:06:32.410 --> 00:06:36.470 Vincent Price now? No. OK, so now we're going 00:06:36.470 --> 00:06:39.509 down that route. That's the house on Haunted 00:06:39.509 --> 00:06:42.709 Hill. That's OK. Yeah, which. You know, being 00:06:42.709 --> 00:06:45.129 a film nerd, I also dove into that this morning. 00:06:46.110 --> 00:06:49.269 Yeah. So the Haunting of Hill House is based 00:06:49.269 --> 00:06:52.370 on a Shirley Jackson novel that came out in 1959. 00:06:52.649 --> 00:06:57.790 OK, the House on Haunted Hill. Vincent Price 00:06:57.790 --> 00:07:02.870 classic screenplay came out in 1959 also. OK, 00:07:02.910 --> 00:07:05.389 so they came out completely independent of each 00:07:05.389 --> 00:07:08.740 other. Got it. Okay, very similar. I mean the 00:07:08.740 --> 00:07:11.279 titles is spooky how and this to make it even 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.279 more complicated the remake Of the haunting. 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.740 Yes, and the remake of the house on haunted hill 00:07:18.740 --> 00:07:24.439 both came out in 1999 So just made it even more 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.519 complicated and Why do we have to make it confusing? 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.259 Did you I didn't know this this was incredible 00:07:32.259 --> 00:07:37.730 and made me sad the entire time During the haunting 00:07:37.730 --> 00:07:41.370 1999's development, well, the development began 00:07:41.370 --> 00:07:46.189 as a collaboration between Stephen King and Steven 00:07:46.189 --> 00:07:50.009 Spielberg, with Stephen King writing the screenplay. 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:53.430 I want that movie. I want that movie so bad. 00:07:53.810 --> 00:07:55.610 And at some time, there's a universe that got 00:07:55.610 --> 00:07:58.470 that movie and we got this. And we got this. 00:07:58.750 --> 00:08:00.769 I don't know what happened, but there was a fallout 00:08:00.769 --> 00:08:04.490 between King and Spielberg. And Stephen King 00:08:04.490 --> 00:08:07.089 took his screenplay and went home and made, he 00:08:07.089 --> 00:08:09.990 like reworked it and made Rose Red out of it. 00:08:10.250 --> 00:08:11.610 I don't know if you've seen that miniseries. 00:08:11.790 --> 00:08:13.689 I haven't seen that miniseries, but I have heard 00:08:13.689 --> 00:08:16.269 of it. It was his reworking. And then Spielberg 00:08:16.269 --> 00:08:18.029 got pissed off and was like, I'm gonna get David 00:08:18.029 --> 00:08:21.250 Self to do this. And he produced it and wrote 00:08:21.250 --> 00:08:24.250 it, I think. Okay. All right. Yeah. Dude, I had 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:26.389 no clue about that. I really want that movie 00:08:26.389 --> 00:08:29.889 instead. But we watched this one. We watched 00:08:29.889 --> 00:08:33.509 this one that had The cast list is another reason 00:08:33.509 --> 00:08:37.389 why this one was chosen for this month. We've 00:08:37.389 --> 00:08:41.210 got Liam Neeson, Catherine Zeta -Jones, Owen 00:08:41.210 --> 00:08:44.470 Wilson, Lily Taylor, Bruce Dern, Virginia Madsen, 00:08:44.830 --> 00:08:51.029 Marianne Seldes. Wow. Wow. And MC Gainey too, 00:08:51.090 --> 00:08:53.190 by the way, which I didn't actually see what 00:08:53.190 --> 00:08:56.629 his, he was large guy and I don't remember seeing 00:08:56.629 --> 00:09:01.039 his part, but. I think he's the CGI. He's gotta 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:03.500 be, right? Monster at the end, yeah. Right. That's 00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:06.539 what I was thinking, but a large guy didn't do 00:09:06.539 --> 00:09:09.419 anything to give me any hints. And they had somebody 00:09:09.419 --> 00:09:15.700 as Hugh Crane. So, for the portrait. But MC Ganey 00:09:15.700 --> 00:09:19.059 was just a large guy. So that's why I was wondering 00:09:19.059 --> 00:09:21.820 if that was him or if they actually got Charles 00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:24.000 Gunning, who doesn't have a picture on IMDB, 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.850 to be Hugh Crane. I don't know. But we're getting 00:09:28.850 --> 00:09:32.929 ahead of ourselves on this one. Yeah So normal 00:09:32.929 --> 00:09:37.149 thing basically It's a haunted house movie. Yeah, 00:09:37.149 --> 00:09:41.210 that's generic what it is Liam Neeson gets these 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:43.730 people here saying it's a study on insomnia. 00:09:43.830 --> 00:09:47.090 He has ulterior motives. It's a study on fear 00:09:47.090 --> 00:09:50.789 and That's how our characters meet there also 00:09:50.789 --> 00:09:55.330 is a Mary and Todd who I love that they disappear 00:09:55.330 --> 00:09:59.750 immediately Oh, the sister and brother -in -law? 00:09:59.830 --> 00:10:03.610 The assistant and, oh no, them too. Them too. 00:10:03.669 --> 00:10:07.789 But the assistant and Todd who show up for this 00:10:07.789 --> 00:10:10.350 test and immediately the assistant's talking 00:10:10.350 --> 00:10:12.830 about like how scary this place is and a piano 00:10:12.830 --> 00:10:16.370 wire snaps and hits her across the eye. Well, 00:10:16.370 --> 00:10:19.029 that's what the makeup is. I still don't understand 00:10:19.029 --> 00:10:23.649 how the hit and what was left. And then like 00:10:23.649 --> 00:10:28.409 she, um, Nell, Lily Taylor takes a glass and 00:10:28.409 --> 00:10:29.870 puts it on her eye. She's like, this will keep 00:10:29.870 --> 00:10:32.450 the blood out. And I was like, why not just close 00:10:32.450 --> 00:10:35.049 your eye? Just get like a paper towel. Why are 00:10:35.049 --> 00:10:38.250 we using the glass? Yeah. Any here? Hold this 00:10:38.250 --> 00:10:41.190 cup against your eye for the next hour as you 00:10:41.190 --> 00:10:44.309 drive to the hospital. I will say like what also 00:10:44.309 --> 00:10:46.870 made me laugh is so there's the the Dudleys are 00:10:46.870 --> 00:10:49.850 the housekeepers. I love the fact that they're 00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:52.570 sarcastic as fuck. And like they say basically 00:10:52.570 --> 00:10:55.370 over and over, no one's going to help you if 00:10:55.370 --> 00:10:57.940 you need help. This happens at night. Nine miles 00:10:57.940 --> 00:11:00.679 away. Yeah. Yeah. This happens at night. They 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.480 padlock the place at night, yet somehow they're 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.039 able to get Todd and Mary out of there to get 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.779 her to the hospital. Okay. That's a good point. 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:14.539 Also, is this one night? The movie? Or this part? 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.580 Yeah. Like, does the movie take place in one 00:11:17.580 --> 00:11:20.559 night? No, it's a couple nights. Okay. Because 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.519 they go to sleep like four times. But we only 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.669 see the Dudleys twice. Yes. We only see it twice. 00:11:25.929 --> 00:11:28.649 Yeah. Did they fall asleep four times or did 00:11:28.649 --> 00:11:31.110 they keep trying to go back to sleep? Because 00:11:31.110 --> 00:11:35.370 none of them can sleep. Oh, OK. Yeah. Well, no, 00:11:35.409 --> 00:11:38.750 because when the only reason I say it was multiple 00:11:38.750 --> 00:11:41.269 nights is because there's the one part where 00:11:41.269 --> 00:11:44.429 she sees the thing in the fireplace and she was 00:11:44.429 --> 00:11:47.389 doing the test and it was like light out. This 00:11:47.389 --> 00:11:50.049 was during the day, I think. I think. OK. You 00:11:50.049 --> 00:11:52.269 know what? I could be wrong because you you bring 00:11:52.269 --> 00:11:56.259 up a good point. It is not clear. Yeah. And either 00:11:56.259 --> 00:11:59.659 way is a completely valid way of seeing it. It's 00:11:59.659 --> 00:12:02.139 the only thing I'll say too, is they change costumes. 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.919 Okay. So I think, yeah, just based on Catherine's 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.940 data, Jones costume changes. Yeah. There is a 00:12:09.940 --> 00:12:12.940 universe where Theo changes outfits every 10 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:17.720 minutes just because multiple nights makes more 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.679 sense. Yeah. That's the only reason I think it 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.519 was multiple nights. But we only see the Dudleys 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.779 twice when they get there and then when they 00:12:26.779 --> 00:12:29.019 come and like make fun of them Yeah, exactly. 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.600 No, I definitely could see how you'd say it's 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:36.580 one night because I get that. Mm -hmm The Dudleys 00:12:36.580 --> 00:12:38.919 were also my favorite character. I love the fact 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.360 that they were just like sarcastic as fuck like 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.919 just I just want listener just take that part 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.620 if you haven't seen this movie yet Mike's favorite 00:12:48.620 --> 00:12:50.659 two characters other people that are on screen 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:54.789 combined What a minute, 20 seconds. I think it's 00:12:54.789 --> 00:12:58.049 a minute, 10 minutes, 30 tops. Yeah, right. I 00:12:58.049 --> 00:13:00.929 think it's less. It feels like. But yeah, this 00:13:00.929 --> 00:13:03.549 114 minute movie. Those are your favorite characters. 00:13:03.629 --> 00:13:05.429 Those are my favorite characters. And this is 00:13:05.429 --> 00:13:07.990 probably. Yeah, good. Oh, no. This is a movie 00:13:07.990 --> 00:13:10.029 that has Liam Neeson, Catherine Zeta -Jones, 00:13:10.429 --> 00:13:13.149 Lily Taylor and Owen Wilson. And these two are 00:13:13.149 --> 00:13:16.090 my favorite characters. I think Richie might 00:13:16.090 --> 00:13:20.799 be my favorite character. Her nephew that she 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.919 does not, that Nell does not like. And he's there 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:27.679 for what, five seconds? At least. And all he 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:29.659 does is hit the wall and like pretend to be her 00:13:29.659 --> 00:13:34.720 dead great grandma. It's terrible. He's such 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.360 a little shit. He's like knocking, knocking, 00:13:37.379 --> 00:13:40.320 I said toys, knocking ceramic figures off the 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.720 wall. That is that person's only acting credit, 00:13:43.740 --> 00:13:48.340 by the way. I believe that, actually. Uh at this 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:51.379 point also doing that again At this point also 00:13:51.379 --> 00:13:52.740 when they're like walking around the house and 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:55.440 everything what i've said is I can already guarantee 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.559 there's going to be an old clock chiming jump 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.580 scare I'm very disappointed. We didn't have one 00:14:01.580 --> 00:14:04.460 I thought I nailed it. I was like I thought I 00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:07.279 nailed it That's about the only one that didn't 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.320 happen. We got loud fireplaces. We've got talking 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.429 paintings. We've got Ghost babies. I think what 00:14:13.429 --> 00:14:16.330 are supposed to be children's ghosts. Yeah. Coming 00:14:16.330 --> 00:14:19.730 in and out of drapes. Yeah. Yeah. That crawl 00:14:19.730 --> 00:14:22.889 into bed with her. We have carnival music for 00:14:22.889 --> 00:14:27.370 some reason. The one room that was like the carnival 00:14:27.370 --> 00:14:30.070 room that spun around and everything. I also 00:14:30.070 --> 00:14:31.570 thought that was going to have more of a use. 00:14:31.570 --> 00:14:34.370 That was used twice. Yeah. Show the room and 00:14:34.370 --> 00:14:36.330 then once where she was just like, okay, cool. 00:14:36.330 --> 00:14:38.230 I'm in this room again. Wouldn't it be scary 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:40.769 if you were pregnant? Yeah. And then run out. 00:14:41.269 --> 00:14:43.990 Yes, I forgot she was pregnant in the mirror. 00:14:44.129 --> 00:14:47.490 Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, she's not pregnant. And 00:14:47.490 --> 00:14:51.149 then it like it's one of those. I don't know. 00:14:51.169 --> 00:14:55.129 I guess they put like a for like a hot air balloon. 00:14:55.330 --> 00:14:59.629 Yeah. Something that expands. It was definitely 00:14:59.629 --> 00:15:02.669 a practical effect versus CGI. I don't even know. 00:15:02.690 --> 00:15:05.210 That was a fear she had. Yeah. But when all of 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:06.990 a sudden she saw there was pregnant, she runs 00:15:06.990 --> 00:15:12.840 out of the room screaming. Oh boy. Yeah, we already, 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.980 this movie, um, the creepy child ghost that says, 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.659 find us. So that's part of the thing too, is 00:15:20.659 --> 00:15:23.539 they keep going to Eleanor slash Nell. I'm going 00:15:23.539 --> 00:15:26.539 to use both names because I wrote down in my 00:15:26.539 --> 00:15:29.840 notes, Eleanor is sometimes Nell. Yeah, they 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:34.779 go back and forth completely on whim. No logic 00:15:34.779 --> 00:15:37.120 or thought put behind it. Her friends call her 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:44.320 Nell, but Dr. Haro, no, Maro calls her Eleanor 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.580 and then the kids call her Eleanor, but Theo 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:50.159 calls her Nell and then Owen Wilson goes back 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.720 and forth. I just started calling her Lily Taylor. 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:59.379 But basically the idea is that she needs to find 00:15:59.379 --> 00:16:05.360 the bones of these kids and kind of save them 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:10.100 and We don't know what she's saving them for 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:15.240 from at some points. And I also commented the 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.899 fact that sometimes she's like really scared 00:16:17.899 --> 00:16:21.080 in these scenes. And sometimes she's like laughing 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:23.659 and like, oh, I've got to find them. Oh, I've 00:16:23.659 --> 00:16:29.159 got it. And again, switches on like a dime. She's 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.659 brush. She taught she's. Is this after she finds 00:16:32.659 --> 00:16:36.299 the bones in the fireplace? I believe so. Yeah, 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.779 OK. So, yeah. Yeah. And then she goes back to 00:16:38.779 --> 00:16:41.000 her room. Then the bloody footprints lead her 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.299 to a bookcase or bookshelf. She opens it. Oh, 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.360 no, it's Hugh Crane's. Like the study ledgers. 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.279 Yeah, because, you know, murderers usually keep 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.440 like track of all the kids they kill. So she 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.919 finds proof that he's murdered all these kids 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.019 and goes back to her room and she looks at where 00:16:59.019 --> 00:17:00.779 she's seen these children's ghosts before and 00:17:00.779 --> 00:17:04.450 says, I'm ready to talk and then sits down. And 00:17:04.450 --> 00:17:06.730 then they talk to her and she gets freaked out. 00:17:07.029 --> 00:17:10.809 Like, pick a lane now. Like, pick out what you 00:17:10.809 --> 00:17:12.890 want to do. She was so excited to talk to them. 00:17:12.910 --> 00:17:14.269 And then when they started talking to her, she's 00:17:14.269 --> 00:17:17.950 like, fuck no, I'm out. Yeah. Not today, Satan. 00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:21.410 Yeah. I do love that the ledger included like 00:17:21.410 --> 00:17:26.670 the ages of the kids, too. Like. Yeah. Ten. Dead. 00:17:27.250 --> 00:17:33.230 Dead. Eleven. Twelve. Twelve. Twelve. Do we know? 00:17:34.329 --> 00:17:41.410 Obviously, the implication is that he killed 00:17:41.410 --> 00:17:48.369 these children. Yes. Do we know why? His wife 00:17:48.369 --> 00:17:50.789 wanted kids and kept having miscarriages, which 00:17:50.789 --> 00:17:54.150 is devastating. Yes. And the reason why she ended 00:17:54.150 --> 00:17:57.890 up killing herself. Yeah. But do we know, like, 00:17:58.029 --> 00:18:02.230 what is the impetus from that? to bringing home 00:18:02.230 --> 00:18:05.089 kids from the factories you run and killing them. 00:18:05.329 --> 00:18:08.109 And like, I understand he wanted to fill the 00:18:08.109 --> 00:18:10.809 house with kids is what the the thing was. Like 00:18:10.809 --> 00:18:14.369 he wanted he kept building because he kept like 00:18:14.369 --> 00:18:17.450 wanting to they were talking about he kept building 00:18:17.450 --> 00:18:20.410 the house because he wanted this huge family 00:18:20.410 --> 00:18:23.930 and everything. And it makes sense that he would 00:18:23.930 --> 00:18:25.730 adopt these kids if he wants to fill the house 00:18:25.730 --> 00:18:29.190 with kids and everything like that. I no clue. 00:18:29.420 --> 00:18:31.700 why he started killing him. He wants an eternal 00:18:31.700 --> 00:18:34.259 family or something. I guess is what she says. 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:36.700 Yeah, I guess. But still, like, how did you know 00:18:36.700 --> 00:18:39.700 they were going to be ghosts? You just assumed 00:18:39.700 --> 00:18:41.480 that they were going to become ghosts? Yeah. 00:18:41.500 --> 00:18:46.740 What do you know? Yeah, right. I also love the 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:48.579 towns nine miles away, and they were talking 00:18:48.579 --> 00:18:51.640 about how sometimes at the house you hear children. 00:18:52.460 --> 00:18:54.900 And nobody goes to the house. Nobody goes close 00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:56.579 to the house. How do you hear the children nine 00:18:56.579 --> 00:19:01.480 miles away? Yeah, are they yeah Maybe we're talking 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.500 about an estate haunting, you know, as long as 00:19:03.500 --> 00:19:05.460 they stay inside the fence. They can haunt whoever 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:10.920 they want to yeah, right Yeah, so did you talk 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.720 about the carpet yet I did not talk about the 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:15.660 carpet. We're not there yet. Okay, we're not 00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:20.579 we're not there yet and more so It's so good 00:19:22.859 --> 00:19:29.460 Where was it at? We also haven't mentioned the 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:36.160 slow motion yet. Just the absurd use of slow 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.700 motion in this movie. There's a big part towards 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:44.500 the end. But it feels like they just mistimed 00:19:44.500 --> 00:19:46.930 the shoot. and they just had to stretch it out. 00:19:47.150 --> 00:19:49.269 It doesn't serve any purpose to the story or 00:19:49.269 --> 00:19:51.809 building dramatic. This movie needs to be two 00:19:51.809 --> 00:19:54.069 hours. We've got an hour 45. Let's just throw 00:19:54.069 --> 00:19:58.670 some slow -mo in there. The one part I was going 00:19:58.670 --> 00:20:01.450 to say, so she starts seeing things like the 00:20:01.450 --> 00:20:03.170 kids and everything like that. She starts hearing 00:20:03.170 --> 00:20:06.589 things and she sees - Real quick before you nail 00:20:06.589 --> 00:20:08.190 down on that, because we've said that a couple 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:11.910 of times at this point. She sees quote unquote 00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:17.210 kids. Yes. These ghosts are Awful. The CGI on 00:20:17.210 --> 00:20:21.710 these, there's no emotion. It's not even to the 00:20:21.710 --> 00:20:23.970 point of uncanny valley worrying about it. I 00:20:23.970 --> 00:20:28.190 just... Do you ever see like early releases of 00:20:28.190 --> 00:20:30.690 Casper? When did Casper come out? Like four years 00:20:30.690 --> 00:20:33.609 before this? Casper was 96, I'd like to say. 00:20:33.769 --> 00:20:36.170 Okay, so three, three, four years before this. 00:20:36.170 --> 00:20:38.990 Yeah. And it was so much better than this. Yeah. 00:20:39.289 --> 00:20:42.049 You actually had emotion. These are just like 00:20:42.049 --> 00:20:45.740 dolls or... And like I try not to when a movie's 00:20:45.740 --> 00:20:48.279 older, I try not to hold CGI against it because 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.079 let's just face its limitations of the time. 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.460 But you're exactly right. Better movies have 00:20:52.460 --> 00:20:57.019 come out with CGI. At this time before this. 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.559 Yeah. Right. And Jurassic Park was four years 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.799 before this. Yes. Yes. And that's exactly it. 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:06.940 It's there's you can hold it against a movie 00:21:06.940 --> 00:21:08.920 when you have a precedence that there's better 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.279 CGI out there. And this CGI was terrible. The 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:16.160 Griffins. at the end and I'm jumping all over 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:18.099 the place, but I just want to talk about the 00:21:18.099 --> 00:21:21.660 Griffins because of CGI. The Griffins. They're 00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:25.140 shiny. Like they're, you know, it's obviously 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:29.359 not there and it stands out hugely against the 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:31.920 background and everything like that. I definitely 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.599 included several times, bad CGI ghost, bad CGI 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:39.160 this, bad CGI that. And like I said, I try not 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:43.509 to hold it against this movie, but That's what 00:21:43.509 --> 00:21:46.190 there's something better. There's a better precedence 00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:50.150 before this you can hold it against it. Yeah 00:21:50.150 --> 00:21:52.650 All right, I derailed you get back to it. No, 00:21:52.710 --> 00:21:56.029 no So she's been seeing these things and everything 00:21:56.029 --> 00:21:59.450 like that. So one of the things she sees is the 00:21:59.450 --> 00:22:03.430 woman hanging and this comes back into play because 00:22:03.430 --> 00:22:07.670 when she finally kind of snaps she goes up there 00:22:07.670 --> 00:22:11.490 and Is ready to jump to be with the children? 00:22:12.170 --> 00:22:16.650 And save them. Yeah, essentially an eternal figure. 00:22:19.829 --> 00:22:23.390 Again, we don't know at this point. At least 00:22:23.390 --> 00:22:26.250 I don't think so. Maybe we do. I didn't include 00:22:26.250 --> 00:22:29.250 a note if we do. We don't know at this point 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:31.829 why she feels this connection with these kids. 00:22:32.549 --> 00:22:35.150 But she feels this connection with these kids 00:22:35.150 --> 00:22:39.450 and no, we don't. Yeah, we do not know who she 00:22:39.450 --> 00:22:42.519 is in relation to these kids yet. Right, all 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:44.240 right. We need to take a quick break and give 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.059 a shout out to our friend that got the bad movie, 00:22:47.059 --> 00:22:52.740 correct? someone on X It's at I don't know man 00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:54.980 pod on x slash Twitter slash whatever the fuck 00:22:54.980 --> 00:22:57.920 we're calling it I don't know man podcast. 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Who is trying to kill herself to 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.619 save the children from crane which would yeah 00:23:45.619 --> 00:23:52.400 Yeah, yeah, what's your purpose? Yeah, like I 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.359 don't get why he's stopping her but are stopping 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:58.619 him because if he saves her guess what she's 00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:00.480 not dead She's not trying to save the children. 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:05.240 Could she do more alive? I guess I know Not really 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.640 because we get to see her do it in a little bit, 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.910 right? Not much And so I made a note of that 00:24:12.910 --> 00:24:15.930 as well as from the back pocket of Dr. Morrow 00:24:15.930 --> 00:24:20.869 fell his cell telephone. Cell telephone. He did 00:24:20.869 --> 00:24:22.970 call it that, didn't he? He called it the cell 00:24:22.970 --> 00:24:27.869 telephone. And it was a candy bar phone. I didn't 00:24:27.869 --> 00:24:30.789 have a Nokia at that point, but I think my mom 00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:34.460 did. Those things were solid. Yeah. A 15 foot 00:24:34.460 --> 00:24:36.960 drop would not make it shatter. Right. And I 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.880 was going to say, how far was he going to fall? 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:41.559 He would have been fine. Yeah. And once like 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:43.440 the stairs had fallen, it would have hurt. It 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.559 would have sucked for sure. But you would not 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.880 have died from that. Unless you fell and like 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.599 broke your spine or something like that, like 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.140 landed awkwardly on the stairs. Yeah. But if 00:24:53.140 --> 00:24:55.940 you just fall from that, which I think you would 00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:59.099 have, I think you could have honestly, the way 00:24:59.099 --> 00:25:00.839 he was hanging on, he could have just jumped 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:04.930 and been fine. Yeah. Maybe twist an ankle and 00:25:04.930 --> 00:25:07.609 then you get the horror trope of run away from 00:25:07.609 --> 00:25:16.089 the ghost. Oh, man. Yeah. So Crane is operating 00:25:16.089 --> 00:25:21.200 from against his best interest. Yep. for the 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.079 first of many times. Yes. I don't know what he's 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.180 doing at all. He has no motive at this point. 00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.460 Like it's just his motives all over the place. 00:25:31.460 --> 00:25:34.799 He can't figure out why to do it. Why can't he 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.039 not come through the window in her room until 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.240 she shatters it, but he can go anywhere else 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.700 in the house she wants to. He wants to. Yes. 00:25:41.859 --> 00:25:43.640 I didn't even think about that, but you're exactly 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:47.960 right. Because the ghost was able to go in the 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:52.329 room. But he changes the room shape many times. 00:25:53.829 --> 00:25:58.369 Also, the spikes over the bed. Oh, why? Like, 00:25:58.930 --> 00:26:02.029 why is that a thing in general? But then the 00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:04.789 spider limbs that kind of come down and like 00:26:04.789 --> 00:26:09.970 hold her down. Yeah. I'm also a scary children 00:26:09.970 --> 00:26:12.089 ghost are yelling at her like, yes, you're not 00:26:12.089 --> 00:26:15.390 helping right now. You're making this worse, 00:26:15.569 --> 00:26:20.079 kids. Yeah. The way they pinned her to to the 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.099 bed. I think she could have gotten out of there 00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:28.039 This okay Now we're talking about the bed and 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.559 the settings and anything Yeah, there was a really 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.039 good movie about three inches underneath the 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.980 surface of this movie. Yes, I agree I agree. 00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:38.799 It never quite makes it out, but it was there. 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:42.819 So yeah, I'll also say does it hurt that this 00:26:42.819 --> 00:26:48.019 was PG -13? Yes. Yeah. Yeah I think so. I agree 00:26:48.019 --> 00:26:49.779 completely, because I think they could have gotten 00:26:49.779 --> 00:26:54.299 a lot darker, a lot worse if this was R. And 00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:58.380 let's face it, we had two people of bloodshed, 00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:03.039 pretty much. We had no cannon fodder, is one 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.519 of my favorite terms. Yeah. And like in a horror 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.160 movie, that's kind of what I'm looking for, let's 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:12.039 face it. You want some despicable characters 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:18.029 to get theirs. Yeah. Not Owen Wilson. Not Owen 00:27:18.029 --> 00:27:21.710 Wilson. Not like that. Not like that. Wow. Let's 00:27:21.710 --> 00:27:27.069 talk about Owen Wilson and his death scene, the 00:27:27.069 --> 00:27:31.690 magic carpet of death. I love that name. Oh, 00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:34.710 it's so good. We addressed earlier the fireplace 00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:37.690 and everything. Yeah. And in the movie, we also 00:27:37.690 --> 00:27:40.809 saw the fireplace. There's a giant flu that comes 00:27:40.809 --> 00:27:44.589 across and it almost hits Dr. Morrow and Owen 00:27:44.589 --> 00:27:47.650 Wilson, I can't remember Luke. That's it. Yeah. 00:27:48.890 --> 00:27:52.430 Because Luke Wilson, that's why I always hate. 00:27:53.109 --> 00:27:56.690 Yeah. So Luke and Dr. Morrow are in the fireplace 00:27:56.690 --> 00:27:59.190 trying to examine what Nell saw and this giant 00:27:59.190 --> 00:28:01.569 flu comes across. And we've addressed this earlier 00:28:01.569 --> 00:28:05.329 in the movie. Now we're later in the movie and 00:28:05.329 --> 00:28:08.950 Luke kind of loses it and starts hitting at the 00:28:08.950 --> 00:28:12.670 crane painting with a candlestick. He's going 00:28:12.670 --> 00:28:17.549 full clue mode. What is he doing? You son of 00:28:17.549 --> 00:28:22.750 a bitch. And he's just hitting the picture. It's 00:28:22.750 --> 00:28:26.250 the first time, Mike, before he rips it. Yeah. 00:28:27.049 --> 00:28:29.210 And then he just turns around and kind of just 00:28:29.210 --> 00:28:32.269 hops off. Well, now convinces him like, stop, 00:28:32.430 --> 00:28:34.809 stop. And he's like, OK, fine. And jumps off. 00:28:35.009 --> 00:28:37.980 He's but I mean, they had just seen. Yeah, like 00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:40.660 the destruction of the house. I don't it's okay. 00:28:40.660 --> 00:28:43.079 Keep going. That was nuts Well, then he ends 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.180 up on this carpet that suddenly pulls him and 00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:50.420 he's like way ahead of everybody and Nels is 00:28:50.420 --> 00:28:56.200 yelling no And he gets slid off of the carpet 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.200 into the fireplace 30 40 feet 30 40 feet easily. 00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:02.980 Yes, exactly He gets launched like absolutely 00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:05.220 launched. So he's in the fireplace and now just 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:11.460 like the fireplace, slow motion, the flu comes 00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:16.819 and beheads him. Yeah. And it's so it's shaped 00:29:16.819 --> 00:29:19.819 like it wasn't a dragon or a lion or that kind 00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:22.119 of lion. But yeah, yeah, it could be either. 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.480 It's an animal of some variety and its mouth 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.599 is what catches his head. And then it dumps out. 00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:30.619 and that's where an arc and a gun is something 00:29:30.619 --> 00:29:32.500 because maybe we would have seen the head rolling 00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:35.400 or and just while it's rolling it just goes wow 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.180 like with the last gasp of air as it's escaping 00:29:38.180 --> 00:29:42.000 wow but we don't get that because it's pg -13 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:47.779 right exactly i was i was laughing my ass off 00:29:47.779 --> 00:29:50.539 at that scene though as soon as i saw it i needed 00:29:50.539 --> 00:29:53.019 to share with claire and i i showed her that 00:29:53.019 --> 00:29:55.500 and she actually regretted not watching the movie 00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:59.659 because she felt like she would laugh at it That's 00:29:59.659 --> 00:30:02.880 the one right there, that scene. If that doesn't 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.680 get you, what are you even watching it for? Yeah, 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.279 exactly. That is the one scene that might have 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.099 saved this movie for me. Because I'm going to 00:30:10.099 --> 00:30:13.660 probably give it a scathing number. This number 00:30:13.660 --> 00:30:16.180 could have been worse. The beheading magic carpet 00:30:16.180 --> 00:30:20.019 of death might have given it a higher number. 00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:26.640 But yeah, so then the house is just going off 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.779 trying to kill everybody. everybody and the kids 00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:31.720 are just like go to the doors go to the doors 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.480 there's these doors that are which is okay hold 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.640 on no yeah go ahead the kids are like leave leave 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.940 leave after telling her to come back three times 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:44.779 at this point i think she's at the car come back 00:30:44.779 --> 00:30:47.960 elinor and she does another like get out get 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.880 out yeah we're like in poltergeist like don't 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.720 go towards the light yeah go towards the light 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:58.019 like make your mind up That's a good poltergeist 00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:01.480 voice. Thank you. I love that movie. Oh, it's 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.059 so good. Yeah, it's it's a much better movie. 00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:06.940 Watch that instead. So much better. Yes, please. 00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:09.460 If you want a haunted house movie, watch that. 00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:13.259 Honestly, I'd rather watch scary movie, too, 00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:18.660 than this. Oh, I've got so even we have. OK, 00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:20.140 so we've been kind of jumping back and forth 00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:22.740 between the story and then the production. What 00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:25.279 the hell was up with the set design? What were 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.059 they going for? Because you've got all over the 00:31:29.059 --> 00:31:32.480 place. There's Egyptian iconography, Ramses and, 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.400 you know, different Anubis, different gods all 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.819 over the place. Then Switch. Now you've got Greek 00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:42.240 gods all over the place with the griffins and 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:46.440 some rams and stuff. There's even some like Chinese 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.180 stuff like in that room they go into. There's 00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:53.400 terracotta soldiers. Was there a point behind 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.380 it? Oh, there was. There was fucking leprechauns 00:31:56.380 --> 00:32:00.160 or something. What's okay? Okay, I usually catch 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.539 leprechauns because of my complexion and my leprechauns 00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:07.720 Maybe it was like but it felt it felt like leprechauns 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.660 or like Fay folk the big room where now gets 00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:14.200 punched in the gut by the door Oh Either side 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.779 of it. They're like pointing at each other. They 00:32:16.779 --> 00:32:20.160 look like little Irish Like, you know, I'm just 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.039 going to say Irish Vikings. Yeah. I said it's 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:23.900 the labyrinth door. Like one of us always lies. 00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:26.259 One of us always tells the truth, point at each 00:32:26.259 --> 00:32:31.019 other. Okay. So were all of these different societies 00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:33.380 and religions, were they all there for a point? 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.279 Or did the set designer just go to Home Goods 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.279 and that's what they had on sale for that day. 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:40.160 That's just what they got. Cause that sounds 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.779 like just walking through TJ Maxx or Ross feels 00:32:43.779 --> 00:32:47.579 like. Some of it I took as just Crane was building 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:50.170 this house. Because he like became a recluse 00:32:50.170 --> 00:32:52.990 when he was at his old age and just basically 00:32:52.990 --> 00:32:56.109 like rebuilt the house every couple of months 00:32:56.109 --> 00:33:00.470 or so and I took some of that as just Okay, this 00:33:00.470 --> 00:33:03.250 is just a different style for this area. I didn't 00:33:03.250 --> 00:33:06.089 even think about it. It's The fact that it's 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:08.089 different lore and different religions different 00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:10.690 everything like that. I didn't even think about 00:33:10.690 --> 00:33:13.710 that and you're exactly right. It's They just 00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:17.150 kind of said cool throw it in there make it a 00:33:17.150 --> 00:33:20.910 kid In the story of this world that they want 00:33:20.910 --> 00:33:23.190 us to buy into and suspend our disbelief to get 00:33:23.190 --> 00:33:26.450 into, this man keeps building the house because 00:33:26.450 --> 00:33:29.630 he wants to have more kids in it. You know, now 00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:33.150 dead children, but before living children. So 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:36.130 let's just make a door. That's a whole motif 00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:39.089 of the nine layers of hell and purgatory and 00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:41.569 put that in a part. You know, kids love that 00:33:41.569 --> 00:33:45.200 shit. Kids are all over that shit. Yeah. And 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.799 this is the door that Nell needs to get Hugh 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.740 Crane to. Yes. Because this is the one that if 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.220 she can get him into those doors, that drags 00:33:55.220 --> 00:33:58.220 him to hell. No, you mean into the door, not 00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:00.380 through the doors. Not through the door. Into 00:34:00.380 --> 00:34:04.779 the actual motif carving itself. Which she also 00:34:04.779 --> 00:34:10.320 goes into too. There was a throwaway line at 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.739 the beginning. Why is it that? Yeah. Also made 00:34:14.739 --> 00:34:16.840 me laugh. So this is in the beginning. She was 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.199 talking about the door and she was like, this 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.380 is purgatory. And then this is the way to hell 00:34:20.380 --> 00:34:23.480 and everything like that. And she goes, I spent 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:29.420 11 years in purgatory. What? What was that? It 00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:32.000 threw me too. Oh, you mean, because you had to 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.400 take care of your gram. Got it. Yeah, right. 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.239 Your mom. Yeah, exactly. That was purgatory. 00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:40.500 Yeah. Between the living and the okay. All right. 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.929 Like in the beginning of the film. They didn't 00:34:42.929 --> 00:34:44.670 address that she had taken care of her mom or 00:34:44.670 --> 00:34:47.969 anything like that, but it was just she lived 00:34:47.969 --> 00:34:51.449 in purgatory for 11 years. Sometimes I was watching 00:34:51.449 --> 00:34:54.230 this and I was just like, I think M9 Shyamalan 00:34:54.230 --> 00:34:57.050 watched this movie and was just like, yeah, these 00:34:57.050 --> 00:35:00.070 are all great notes. I love the acting in this 00:35:00.070 --> 00:35:01.929 and just wrote it down as like, this is how I 00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:04.269 want everyone in my movies to act all the time. 00:35:04.269 --> 00:35:06.889 All the time. Every single time. Lily Taylor 00:35:06.889 --> 00:35:10.510 whispers all of her most dramatic lines. She 00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:16.800 under emotes. Yep. And barely talks above a whisper 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.699 if she moves at all. Right. Yeah. And this is 00:35:19.699 --> 00:35:22.500 Lily Taylor. She's an incredible actress. This 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:27.440 is why she's fourth on the IMDB list, which that 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.179 threw me to that she was the main character. 00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:32.440 I'm like, oh, I totally thought Catherine Zeta 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.260 -Jones was going to be the main main character 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:37.900 the way they laid everything out on the IMDB 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:44.179 page. But I guess in 1999. What was really Taylor? 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.079 Yeah, what else was she? Well, you like that 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:50.920 up. I'll go ahead and tell you the accolades 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.320 that this movie was nominated for. Oh, I'm excited. 00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:58.679 Golden Razzies. Yes. Worst picture. OK. Worst 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.980 director. Yep. Worst actress with Catherine Zeta 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:06.460 -Jones. Wow. OK. Worst screenplay. Yep. And worst 00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:09.199 screen couple, Lily Taylor, Catherine Zeta -Jones. 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.329 OK. All right. Yeah. She was in two episodes 00:36:14.329 --> 00:36:18.630 of Mad About You. OK. One episode of the X -Files. 00:36:19.449 --> 00:36:21.730 All right. I guess I'm just mostly thinking of 00:36:21.730 --> 00:36:24.250 the Conjuring. She was great in the Conjuring. 00:36:24.650 --> 00:36:27.869 And Perry Mason. But those are all after 1999, 00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:29.530 obviously. Yeah, that's the thing. She was in 00:36:29.530 --> 00:36:34.800 Rudy in 1993. Oh, word. All right. Yeah. Mean 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.760 she's in a lot of stuff. She was in acting. Okay. 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.619 Yeah, so here here we go She she's she was in 00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:43.739 she's having a baby mystic pizza say anything 00:36:43.739 --> 00:36:46.920 born on the fourth of July But these are in like 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.039 the 80s Mm -hmm and then after that she just 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.699 goes through like Besides Rudy the rest of these 00:36:54.699 --> 00:36:57.659 movies. I'm like, I don't know these movies and 00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:04.900 then I shot Andy Warhol Okay Couple TV shows 00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:09.860 and then the year before To the year after so 00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:15.639 98 she was in pecker Okay 99 a slipping down 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.719 life 99 the haunting and then 2000 high fidelity 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.840 Alright, so 2000 begins the upswing again. Yes. 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.159 So she was like, yeah, she was in between at 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.940 this point Which pecker wasn't a bad movie. I 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:33.269 only laugh because I was 13 or 14 when that came 00:37:33.269 --> 00:37:34.789 out. And I just remember seeing Packer and thinking 00:37:34.789 --> 00:37:38.210 it was really funny. As you know, it's a late 00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:41.409 John Waters movie. So, yeah, it's not the worst 00:37:41.409 --> 00:37:44.289 thing. No, there's definitely worse things. Yeah. 00:37:44.349 --> 00:37:46.849 And I'm just trying to see what else Leatherface 00:37:46.849 --> 00:37:53.170 the nun. Yeah, see now she's fully in the conjuring 00:37:53.170 --> 00:37:56.570 universe, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. 00:37:56.630 --> 00:37:59.210 And she was also in American Crime, 21 episodes 00:37:59.210 --> 00:38:02.840 of American Crime. Oh, wow. OK. And the Maze 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.320 Runner series. But see all that. She's a great 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.760 actress. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And there's no question 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.380 she's a great actress. They were just like all 00:38:11.380 --> 00:38:13.699 of your instincts and all of your skills you've 00:38:13.699 --> 00:38:16.880 learned. Let's just get rid of those. Just now 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.539 you're going to do it this way. Yeah. Because, 00:38:19.699 --> 00:38:22.780 you know, it's more scary. Right. Everything. 00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:27.159 God, it keeps reminding me of the silence. Yeah. 00:38:27.969 --> 00:38:31.150 This month began with the silence and how they 00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:33.050 whisper talk everything while they're also sign 00:38:33.050 --> 00:38:36.010 -languaging. So everything gets brought back. 00:38:37.170 --> 00:38:38.989 Do you also get Bruce Dern mixed up with Gary 00:38:38.989 --> 00:38:42.309 Busey or is that just me? I think that's just 00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:45.690 you. Okay. Anytime Bruce Dern, like when he first 00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:47.590 pops on screen, I'm like, ah, Gary Busey's in 00:38:47.590 --> 00:38:51.050 this. Oh no, that's Bruce Dern. I mean, I see 00:38:51.050 --> 00:38:54.800 how you get there. Yeah. It's the smile in the 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.619 hair, I think. Yeah, yeah, the smile is definitely. 00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:00.639 Yeah, I get you on that. I forgot he was in Nebraska 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.539 and he was the big part of Nebraska, but I just 00:39:04.539 --> 00:39:06.920 forgot that. Yeah, that's another big name. That 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.579 was only a minute and a half of screen time, 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:14.019 as we said before. But yeah, so was Bruce Dern 00:39:14.019 --> 00:39:16.179 on the poster. Where does he add on the lineup? 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:23.619 He is fifth. OK, he's fifth in the lineup. Right 00:39:23.619 --> 00:39:33.940 behind Lily Taylor This movie made not enough 00:39:33.940 --> 00:39:38.980 hundred and seventy seven million dollars Worldwide 00:39:38.980 --> 00:39:50.219 that scares me a little bit budget 80 million 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:55.139 So it did not do bad. 180 million rounded up 00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:58.579 to against an 80 million dollar budget. That's, 00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:01.960 that's, that's pretty good. God damn. That's 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.000 nuts. Opening weekend, 33 mil. It almost made 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.059 its money. Uh, not almost. I guess there's 50, 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.039 50 mils behind. That's not, that's nothing to 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.179 spit about, you know? Yeah. Steven Spielberg 00:40:16.179 --> 00:40:19.039 was not upset about DreamWorks making that money. 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:25.079 Nope. Any other points that were big for you? 00:40:25.619 --> 00:40:27.559 Well, the funny thing is at one point during 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:31.739 the movie I literally wrote So the movie was 00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:34.579 a fake insomnia like sleep deprivation thing 00:40:34.579 --> 00:40:37.039 and I said that's really apropos because I'm 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:41.360 falling asleep watching Yes, that was the one 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.260 note I was like I need to get I need to get that 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:47.780 in There's the paint or the paint blood whatever 00:40:47.780 --> 00:40:50.480 on the painting that says welcome home Eleanor. 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.739 Yeah Oh, that's why I think, you know what, that's 00:40:53.739 --> 00:40:58.079 why it was multiple days, is because that paint 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:03.039 disappeared and Dr. Morrow said, yeah. So we 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.099 just didn't see them, but they were back. They 00:41:07.099 --> 00:41:11.320 had Bruce Dern for a day, Mike. He was like, 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.784 I could give you six hours. And they were like... 00:41:14.780 --> 00:41:17.300 All right, come in four o 'clock. They shot the 00:41:17.300 --> 00:41:19.960 morning shot at four thirty. They shot the night 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.159 shot at seven. Brewster did not come back. No, 00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:25.579 he's just like, I'm done. See you. Good movie. 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.739 Pay me my residuals. That's exactly what happened. 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.900 Oh, that's exactly it. Like, I want to see what 00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:35.059 Brewster was doing that he would have been so 00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:37.400 busy that he couldn't have done the rest of this 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.440 movie. He was in anything else. Yeah. Herbs was 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.699 eighty nine. So there was that. That's definitely. 00:41:44.059 --> 00:41:46.719 He could have done a con that weekend just talking 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.340 about the burbs. Yeah, right. It would have been 00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:52.500 a better more fun for him. Can't be in this movie. 00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:56.440 I got a comic con to go to. Oh, we didn't even 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.679 talk. We didn't finish going over the synopsis. 00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:00.699 So I made the joke earlier about everything being 00:42:00.699 --> 00:42:04.159 black, maroon or brown. And that's 100 % true. 00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:07.940 Small soldiers, by the way, just because that 00:42:07.940 --> 00:42:12.619 makes me happy. That was in 98. No. Yes. She's 00:42:12.619 --> 00:42:15.110 an all white. Everything else totally bland and 00:42:15.110 --> 00:42:18.489 like hidden But just in case you know, like who's 00:42:18.489 --> 00:42:20.889 the hero in this is the hero of this film Yeah, 00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:23.349 probably the lady wearing all white and then 00:42:23.349 --> 00:42:26.070 the dr. Morrow was in all dark colors I do agree 00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.670 with that Luke was in blue at one point. I will 00:42:28.670 --> 00:42:32.349 say I don't think there was anything to I think 00:42:32.349 --> 00:42:45.059 he just Oh, was he in a suit? I don't know. I 00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:47.059 don't remember. I just found it funny that he 00:42:47.059 --> 00:42:49.139 was there for all of 30 seconds and then he was 00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.579 gone. Hey, this is Todd. I feel like he was supposed 00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:55.000 to be the control person of the group. Yeah, 00:42:55.099 --> 00:42:57.800 I guess he gave him the test and stuff and then 00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.239 he just noped out. Yeah, took her to the hospital. 00:43:00.340 --> 00:43:02.780 Well, and like the fact that he was the one trusted 00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:05.260 to take her to the hospital also says like they 00:43:05.260 --> 00:43:07.900 had a they had a working relationship, I think 00:43:07.900 --> 00:43:10.260 a prior. Yeah, some connection. Yeah, exactly. 00:43:10.510 --> 00:43:13.289 And we never hear if she was okay or not. No. 00:43:13.550 --> 00:43:16.630 Just assume she has her eye still. Nell beats 00:43:16.630 --> 00:43:19.050 Crane, and her great grandma's soul comes out 00:43:19.050 --> 00:43:21.210 of her body. And that's the end of it. That's 00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:24.030 it. And the only ones at the door to greet the 00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:28.710 Dudleys are Dr. Morrow and Theo. Oh, the Dudleys 00:43:28.710 --> 00:43:31.550 give no shit that the other two people are not 00:43:31.550 --> 00:43:35.030 there. They just knew it was gonna happen. They're 00:43:35.030 --> 00:43:36.750 like, oh, okay, cool. We gotta clean up some 00:43:36.750 --> 00:43:42.280 blood, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And then fade to 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.539 black, carnival music, credit start. And my wife 00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:51.400 just went, what the fuck is that? Fucking carnival 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:59.420 music. She has died like Jesus. And I mean, like 00:43:59.420 --> 00:44:02.239 not in any kind of sense. They beat you over 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.460 the head with that. She's full T pose mode. Oh, 00:44:05.539 --> 00:44:08.139 definitely lowered by angels. Yep. Yeah. yeah 00:44:08.139 --> 00:44:10.900 she's she's long gone in the jesus pose because 00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:15.380 she saved the children that was her great grandma's 00:44:15.380 --> 00:44:18.619 soul in her body right uh sure is she just possessed 00:44:18.619 --> 00:44:23.559 or i don't know i really like i go at that point 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.909 there's a scene earlier when Nell's beginning 00:44:27.909 --> 00:44:30.570 to crack or whatever is happening. She's running 00:44:30.570 --> 00:44:32.389 around looking in mirrors and she's like, that's 00:44:32.389 --> 00:44:33.969 not me. And she's turning into someone else. 00:44:34.409 --> 00:44:37.530 I swear the last face she is, is Tobey Maguire's 00:44:37.530 --> 00:44:43.409 face from 1999. I need to grab a screenshot and 00:44:43.409 --> 00:44:46.269 send it to you. That's I don't know who they're 00:44:46.269 --> 00:44:50.550 going for, but that's Tobey Maguire. That's amazing. 00:44:51.789 --> 00:44:54.889 Yeah. Yeah. So that's the haunting 1999. Don't 00:44:54.889 --> 00:44:58.610 watch it. There's better. So you know how we 00:44:58.610 --> 00:45:03.190 do this, one through five, or well, really zero 00:45:03.190 --> 00:45:06.630 through five, and you give it a weird rating, 00:45:06.630 --> 00:45:11.269 not like a star. Yeah. What would you give this? 00:45:13.530 --> 00:45:17.170 Two and a half costume changes. Two and a half. 00:45:17.510 --> 00:45:20.730 Wow. Yeah, I'm gonna go very different. And remember, 00:45:20.730 --> 00:45:22.969 I said the beheading saved it a little bit. I'm 00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:26.329 going point five, point five. Yeah. I guess just 00:45:26.329 --> 00:45:28.610 for that scene alone, I think there's a little 00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:33.829 redemption in. The cinematography is great. Yes, 00:45:34.190 --> 00:45:36.849 I think I do like this. I think the set is beautiful. 00:45:37.050 --> 00:45:40.010 Yep. Even though it's weird, but yes, there's 00:45:40.010 --> 00:45:43.010 enough of Shirley Jackson's original incredible 00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:46.510 story left that I think you can. There's a little 00:45:46.510 --> 00:45:48.969 there, but the acting and the directing just 00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:53.300 kind of ruin all of it. Go read the book. Like, 00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:55.559 spend a couple hours. It's not a big book. Go 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:58.780 read the book instead. Yeah, I'm giving it 0 00:45:58.780 --> 00:46:04.300 .5 out of 5 children ghost faces. Yeah, that 00:46:04.300 --> 00:46:06.539 was a... I'll change my two and a half Prada 00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:11.000 boots. Prada boots. From Milan, not New York. 00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:17.820 Yeah, exactly. I wonder why she won worst actress. 00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:23.820 Yeah. So that's a haunting. What else you got, 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.619 Zach? You got anything else? Oh, no, not right 00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:30.599 now. Like the podcast is coming back next year. 00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:33.440 Go read the book. Go read the book. I watched 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.719 the Flanagan on Netflix. Yes. Yes. Always watch 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:40.260 Flanagan on Netflix. That makes me want to go 00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:43.079 watch Hush now. Yeah, I love that movie. Dude, 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.239 I love that movie. So, dude, Mike, thanks for 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.880 having me. You got it. Happy Halloween, buddy. 00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:50.909 Happy Halloween to everybody. Yeah. Uh, this 00:46:50.909 --> 00:46:53.429 is going to release on Halloween. Oh, make sure. 00:46:54.369 --> 00:46:57.010 Do not blow your jack -o -lanterns out until 00:46:57.010 --> 00:46:59.750 tomorrow. Yes. Unless you don't want Sam to be 00:46:59.750 --> 00:47:01.969 mad at you. Don't be don't be mad, Sam. We're 00:47:01.969 --> 00:47:04.449 not taking out our stakes or decorations or anything. 00:47:04.869 --> 00:47:08.130 So no. Yeah. So happy Halloween, everyone. Trick 00:47:08.130 --> 00:47:10.250 or treat. You've been listening to Game for a 00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:11.949 Movie where we ask, are you game for a movie? 00:47:12.030 --> 00:47:15.969 I've been Mike. He's been Zach. Thank you guys 00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:17.989 very much for tuning in. We'll see you next time. 00:47:18.530 --> 00:47:18.869 Bye.