You know what that sound means it's another episode
of game for a movie where we ask are you game
for a movie? My name is Mike. I am joined by
Hey, I'm Zach Zach welcome to the show buddy
Thanks, Mike. How are you? I'm doing well, buddy
I've been wanting to get you on the show for
a long time I've been on the show for a long
time, but having kids was a choice I made I Mean,
that's your own fault. Yes Before we get into
stuff about you, we also need to talk about you
have a podcast of your own. Don't you? I do.
It's kind of on hiatus, but it's coming back
soon. Okay. I still would love to give you a
shout out for that. Yeah. It's called creatoring
like creator ing. Okay. Talk to folks who create
stuff, designers, animators, filmmakers, video
game developers. and just get to know the people
behind the creations. You know, like, I know
how Unreal Engine works, so I don't really give
a crap about talking about Unreal Engine. Right.
But I want to know why they wanted to do it.
Does that make sense? OK. Yeah, that makes complete
sense. No, I love that. So we dive into that.
Yeah. No, that's awesome, dude. You didn't even
tell me about that one. I thought last time we
talked you were a part of podcast That was a
different podcast. Oh, yeah with the paperback
brigade Yeah, we just wrapped that up because
we're bringing it was kind of an in -between
show We just talked about books. We liked while
we were building up our list of guests for the
other show Okay, got that makes it so no, that's
awesome. Yeah, we're switching back. I love it.
No, that's fantastic, dude I didn't even know
about this. This is good. Yeah, the bombs on
you. That's what this is. Yeah, right Uh, the
normal question I ask somebody that comes on
the show, what is the worst movie you've ever
seen? Oh God. Yeah, you're welcome. I got to
drop it on you. I can't give you a heads up on
that. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Um, I'm just
going to go with my gut and I've probably seen
worse since then, but Evil Bong is near the top
of that list. Oh my God. Uh, next year at Halloween,
I think we're going to do episodes on like, uh,
Weird killers like evil bong We might have to
do rubber finally Russia, okay. I liked rubber
though like rubber at least has a story in a
point. It's weird because yeah There's so many
people that either are one side of love it or
one side of absolutely hated it Yeah, that's
more. So why I want to do it. I want to get a
group together to watch that one But yeah, I
could definitely fall on the love side. You know
the idea of a horror movie Who's central premise
and one of the villains is the people watching
the movie? Okay, at least an interesting concept
versus a demonic bong who has a strip club inside
of it that like eat your soul over time So we
might kick this off early as well with thanks
killing this Thanksgiving I'm on board and then
Eli Roth's Thanksgiving next year Thanksgiving.
Yes, it's coming Yeah. Well, we've got a bad
movie that we are going to talk about, but first
we got to talk about what we are drinking. I'll
let you kick it off. Yeah. So I'm going seasonal.
I have a hot cocoa with marshmallows in it, Mike.
That's where I'm at this afternoon. I love it,
though. That's great. I am rocking a 90 minute
IPA from Dogfish Head. You like Dogfish Head,
right? You talk about them a lot. Yeah, yeah,
especially they're 120 minute. I couldn't find
that. That's phenomenal. But they're 90 minutes.
Pretty good. I found it in the store in the special
edition section. And I got it probably seasonal
drinker. I guess so. I don't know. They release
it weird times, I feel like. I will say it's
more built for fall than summer. Like you don't
want a 90 minute IP during the summer. Sure.
But it's it's. The fact that I got it probably
two days ago and four of the six bottles are
gone already says what it needs to say about
that. Totally. Cool. I will say I wish I was
a little drunker for this movie that we watched.
Yeah, yeah. OK, so just to part the curtain a
little bit, I finished this movie about 10 minutes
ago. And my wife and I watched it. Oh, my God.
You got her to watch it. She watched it with
me. Yeah. She was working on other stuff and,
you know, playing video games, but she was watching
it with me. And I hadn't seen it since like 2000.
I never saw it before last night. I watched it
last night. Yeah, that was a movie. It's OK.
So, hey, I got a list. Do you like CGI babies?
Do you like CGI Griffins? Do you like movies
where the only colors are black, maroon, and
brown? Uh, okay with that one. So I'll say one
for three. Do you like gratuitous shots of Catherine
Zeta -Jones that could have only come out in
the 90s? Yes. Two of four. Then I've got a movie
for you. I'm halfway on that list. I even included
a note. John DeBot, he knocked it out of the
park. This is the most DeBot movie. Ever. Yeah.
This movie is The Haunting from 1999. I have
to clarify that because there's like 14 haunting
movies. You look up The Haunting on Rotten Tomatoes
to try to find the score, which I did when I
first heard about this movie. I had to go through
seven pages to get to this one. And you asked
me to watch the only bad one on that list. Yeah,
apparently. Yeah, this is the whole. This is
what we do. Yeah. Welcome to the show. This is
I've listened so much and I didn't realize the
other side that it would it would be this. But
it is we're here. Yeah. This movie had so much
potential. OK, I love Mike Flanagan. Yes. Pretty
much everything Mike Flanagan does. Yeah. The
Haunting of Hill House. Yep. This is the worst.
This is not that. This is the worst version of
The Haunting of Hill House. Even the 1963 version
is supposed to be a masterpiece. I have to go
find that after this. Yeah, right. Just to get
like just to cleanse the palette a little bit,
like to find the 1963 one. Is that the one? I
got to look it up now. But is that the one with
Vincent Price now? No. OK, so now we're going
down that route. That's the house on Haunted
Hill. That's OK. Yeah, which. You know, being
a film nerd, I also dove into that this morning.
Yeah. So the Haunting of Hill House is based
on a Shirley Jackson novel that came out in 1959.
OK, the House on Haunted Hill. Vincent Price
classic screenplay came out in 1959 also. OK,
so they came out completely independent of each
other. Got it. Okay, very similar. I mean the
titles is spooky how and this to make it even
more complicated the remake Of the haunting.
Yes, and the remake of the house on haunted hill
both came out in 1999 So just made it even more
complicated and Why do we have to make it confusing?
Did you I didn't know this this was incredible
and made me sad the entire time During the haunting
1999's development, well, the development began
as a collaboration between Stephen King and Steven
Spielberg, with Stephen King writing the screenplay.
I want that movie. I want that movie so bad.
And at some time, there's a universe that got
that movie and we got this. And we got this.
I don't know what happened, but there was a fallout
between King and Spielberg. And Stephen King
took his screenplay and went home and made, he
like reworked it and made Rose Red out of it.
I don't know if you've seen that miniseries.
I haven't seen that miniseries, but I have heard
of it. It was his reworking. And then Spielberg
got pissed off and was like, I'm gonna get David
Self to do this. And he produced it and wrote
it, I think. Okay. All right. Yeah. Dude, I had
no clue about that. I really want that movie
instead. But we watched this one. We watched
this one that had The cast list is another reason
why this one was chosen for this month. We've
got Liam Neeson, Catherine Zeta -Jones, Owen
Wilson, Lily Taylor, Bruce Dern, Virginia Madsen,
Marianne Seldes. Wow. Wow. And MC Gainey too,
by the way, which I didn't actually see what
his, he was large guy and I don't remember seeing
his part, but. I think he's the CGI. He's gotta
be, right? Monster at the end, yeah. Right. That's
what I was thinking, but a large guy didn't do
anything to give me any hints. And they had somebody
as Hugh Crane. So, for the portrait. But MC Ganey
was just a large guy. So that's why I was wondering
if that was him or if they actually got Charles
Gunning, who doesn't have a picture on IMDB,
to be Hugh Crane. I don't know. But we're getting
ahead of ourselves on this one. Yeah So normal
thing basically It's a haunted house movie. Yeah,
that's generic what it is Liam Neeson gets these
people here saying it's a study on insomnia.
He has ulterior motives. It's a study on fear
and That's how our characters meet there also
is a Mary and Todd who I love that they disappear
immediately Oh, the sister and brother -in -law?
The assistant and, oh no, them too. Them too.
But the assistant and Todd who show up for this
test and immediately the assistant's talking
about like how scary this place is and a piano
wire snaps and hits her across the eye. Well,
that's what the makeup is. I still don't understand
how the hit and what was left. And then like
she, um, Nell, Lily Taylor takes a glass and
puts it on her eye. She's like, this will keep
the blood out. And I was like, why not just close
your eye? Just get like a paper towel. Why are
we using the glass? Yeah. Any here? Hold this
cup against your eye for the next hour as you
drive to the hospital. I will say like what also
made me laugh is so there's the the Dudleys are
the housekeepers. I love the fact that they're
sarcastic as fuck. And like they say basically
over and over, no one's going to help you if
you need help. This happens at night. Nine miles
away. Yeah. Yeah. This happens at night. They
padlock the place at night, yet somehow they're
able to get Todd and Mary out of there to get
her to the hospital. Okay. That's a good point.
Also, is this one night? The movie? Or this part?
Yeah. Like, does the movie take place in one
night? No, it's a couple nights. Okay. Because
they go to sleep like four times. But we only
see the Dudleys twice. Yes. We only see it twice.
Yeah. Did they fall asleep four times or did
they keep trying to go back to sleep? Because
none of them can sleep. Oh, OK. Yeah. Well, no,
because when the only reason I say it was multiple
nights is because there's the one part where
she sees the thing in the fireplace and she was
doing the test and it was like light out. This
was during the day, I think. I think. OK. You
know what? I could be wrong because you you bring
up a good point. It is not clear. Yeah. And either
way is a completely valid way of seeing it. It's
the only thing I'll say too, is they change costumes.
Okay. So I think, yeah, just based on Catherine's
data, Jones costume changes. Yeah. There is a
universe where Theo changes outfits every 10
minutes just because multiple nights makes more
sense. Yeah. That's the only reason I think it
was multiple nights. But we only see the Dudleys
twice when they get there and then when they
come and like make fun of them Yeah, exactly.
No, I definitely could see how you'd say it's
one night because I get that. Mm -hmm The Dudleys
were also my favorite character. I love the fact
that they were just like sarcastic as fuck like
just I just want listener just take that part
if you haven't seen this movie yet Mike's favorite
two characters other people that are on screen
combined What a minute, 20 seconds. I think it's
a minute, 10 minutes, 30 tops. Yeah, right. I
think it's less. It feels like. But yeah, this
114 minute movie. Those are your favorite characters.
Those are my favorite characters. And this is
probably. Yeah, good. Oh, no. This is a movie
that has Liam Neeson, Catherine Zeta -Jones,
Lily Taylor and Owen Wilson. And these two are
my favorite characters. I think Richie might
be my favorite character. Her nephew that she
does not, that Nell does not like. And he's there
for what, five seconds? At least. And all he
does is hit the wall and like pretend to be her
dead great grandma. It's terrible. He's such
a little shit. He's like knocking, knocking,
I said toys, knocking ceramic figures off the
wall. That is that person's only acting credit,
by the way. I believe that, actually. Uh at this
point also doing that again At this point also
when they're like walking around the house and
everything what i've said is I can already guarantee
there's going to be an old clock chiming jump
scare I'm very disappointed. We didn't have one
I thought I nailed it. I was like I thought I
nailed it That's about the only one that didn't
happen. We got loud fireplaces. We've got talking
paintings. We've got Ghost babies. I think what
are supposed to be children's ghosts. Yeah. Coming
in and out of drapes. Yeah. Yeah. That crawl
into bed with her. We have carnival music for
some reason. The one room that was like the carnival
room that spun around and everything. I also
thought that was going to have more of a use.
That was used twice. Yeah. Show the room and
then once where she was just like, okay, cool.
I'm in this room again. Wouldn't it be scary
if you were pregnant? Yeah. And then run out.
Yes, I forgot she was pregnant in the mirror.
Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, she's not pregnant. And
then it like it's one of those. I don't know.
I guess they put like a for like a hot air balloon.
Yeah. Something that expands. It was definitely
a practical effect versus CGI. I don't even know.
That was a fear she had. Yeah. But when all of
a sudden she saw there was pregnant, she runs
out of the room screaming. Oh boy. Yeah, we already,
this movie, um, the creepy child ghost that says,
find us. So that's part of the thing too, is
they keep going to Eleanor slash Nell. I'm going
to use both names because I wrote down in my
notes, Eleanor is sometimes Nell. Yeah, they
go back and forth completely on whim. No logic
or thought put behind it. Her friends call her
Nell, but Dr. Haro, no, Maro calls her Eleanor
and then the kids call her Eleanor, but Theo
calls her Nell and then Owen Wilson goes back
and forth. I just started calling her Lily Taylor.
But basically the idea is that she needs to find
the bones of these kids and kind of save them
and We don't know what she's saving them for
from at some points. And I also commented the
fact that sometimes she's like really scared
in these scenes. And sometimes she's like laughing
and like, oh, I've got to find them. Oh, I've
got it. And again, switches on like a dime. She's
brush. She taught she's. Is this after she finds
the bones in the fireplace? I believe so. Yeah,
OK. So, yeah. Yeah. And then she goes back to
her room. Then the bloody footprints lead her
to a bookcase or bookshelf. She opens it. Oh,
no, it's Hugh Crane's. Like the study ledgers.
Yeah, because, you know, murderers usually keep
like track of all the kids they kill. So she
finds proof that he's murdered all these kids
and goes back to her room and she looks at where
she's seen these children's ghosts before and
says, I'm ready to talk and then sits down. And
then they talk to her and she gets freaked out.
Like, pick a lane now. Like, pick out what you
want to do. She was so excited to talk to them.
And then when they started talking to her, she's
like, fuck no, I'm out. Yeah. Not today, Satan.
Yeah. I do love that the ledger included like
the ages of the kids, too. Like. Yeah. Ten. Dead.
Dead. Eleven. Twelve. Twelve. Twelve. Do we know?
Obviously, the implication is that he killed
these children. Yes. Do we know why? His wife
wanted kids and kept having miscarriages, which
is devastating. Yes. And the reason why she ended
up killing herself. Yeah. But do we know, like,
what is the impetus from that? to bringing home
kids from the factories you run and killing them.
And like, I understand he wanted to fill the
house with kids is what the the thing was. Like
he wanted he kept building because he kept like
wanting to they were talking about he kept building
the house because he wanted this huge family
and everything. And it makes sense that he would
adopt these kids if he wants to fill the house
with kids and everything like that. I no clue.
why he started killing him. He wants an eternal
family or something. I guess is what she says.
Yeah, I guess. But still, like, how did you know
they were going to be ghosts? You just assumed
that they were going to become ghosts? Yeah.
What do you know? Yeah, right. I also love the
towns nine miles away, and they were talking
about how sometimes at the house you hear children.
And nobody goes to the house. Nobody goes close
to the house. How do you hear the children nine
miles away? Yeah, are they yeah Maybe we're talking
about an estate haunting, you know, as long as
they stay inside the fence. They can haunt whoever
they want to yeah, right Yeah, so did you talk
about the carpet yet I did not talk about the
carpet. We're not there yet. Okay, we're not
we're not there yet and more so It's so good
Where was it at? We also haven't mentioned the
slow motion yet. Just the absurd use of slow
motion in this movie. There's a big part towards
the end. But it feels like they just mistimed
the shoot. and they just had to stretch it out.
It doesn't serve any purpose to the story or
building dramatic. This movie needs to be two
hours. We've got an hour 45. Let's just throw
some slow -mo in there. The one part I was going
to say, so she starts seeing things like the
kids and everything like that. She starts hearing
things and she sees - Real quick before you nail
down on that, because we've said that a couple
of times at this point. She sees quote unquote
kids. Yes. These ghosts are Awful. The CGI on
these, there's no emotion. It's not even to the
point of uncanny valley worrying about it. I
just... Do you ever see like early releases of
Casper? When did Casper come out? Like four years
before this? Casper was 96, I'd like to say.
Okay, so three, three, four years before this.
Yeah. And it was so much better than this. Yeah.
You actually had emotion. These are just like
dolls or... And like I try not to when a movie's
older, I try not to hold CGI against it because
let's just face its limitations of the time.
But you're exactly right. Better movies have
come out with CGI. At this time before this.
Yeah. Right. And Jurassic Park was four years
before this. Yes. Yes. And that's exactly it.
It's there's you can hold it against a movie
when you have a precedence that there's better
CGI out there. And this CGI was terrible. The
Griffins. at the end and I'm jumping all over
the place, but I just want to talk about the
Griffins because of CGI. The Griffins. They're
shiny. Like they're, you know, it's obviously
not there and it stands out hugely against the
background and everything like that. I definitely
included several times, bad CGI ghost, bad CGI
this, bad CGI that. And like I said, I try not
to hold it against this movie, but That's what
there's something better. There's a better precedence
before this you can hold it against it. Yeah
All right, I derailed you get back to it. No,
no So she's been seeing these things and everything
like that. So one of the things she sees is the
woman hanging and this comes back into play because
when she finally kind of snaps she goes up there
and Is ready to jump to be with the children?
And save them. Yeah, essentially an eternal figure.
Again, we don't know at this point. At least
I don't think so. Maybe we do. I didn't include
a note if we do. We don't know at this point
why she feels this connection with these kids.
But she feels this connection with these kids
and no, we don't. Yeah, we do not know who she
is in relation to these kids yet. Right, all
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find your podcast. Now back to the movie. Dr.
Morrow climbs up the stairs that are falling
down around him because and I don't get this
either. Why is the ghost of crane trying to stop
Morrow? So like. He's trying to stop Morrow from
saving now. Who is trying to kill herself to
save the children from crane which would yeah
Yeah, yeah, what's your purpose? Yeah, like I
don't get why he's stopping her but are stopping
him because if he saves her guess what she's
not dead She's not trying to save the children.
Could she do more alive? I guess I know Not really
because we get to see her do it in a little bit,
right? Not much And so I made a note of that
as well as from the back pocket of Dr. Morrow
fell his cell telephone. Cell telephone. He did
call it that, didn't he? He called it the cell
telephone. And it was a candy bar phone. I didn't
have a Nokia at that point, but I think my mom
did. Those things were solid. Yeah. A 15 foot
drop would not make it shatter. Right. And I
was going to say, how far was he going to fall?
He would have been fine. Yeah. And once like
the stairs had fallen, it would have hurt. It
would have sucked for sure. But you would not
have died from that. Unless you fell and like
broke your spine or something like that, like
landed awkwardly on the stairs. Yeah. But if
you just fall from that, which I think you would
have, I think you could have honestly, the way
he was hanging on, he could have just jumped
and been fine. Yeah. Maybe twist an ankle and
then you get the horror trope of run away from
the ghost. Oh, man. Yeah. So Crane is operating
from against his best interest. Yep. for the
first of many times. Yes. I don't know what he's
doing at all. He has no motive at this point.
Like it's just his motives all over the place.
He can't figure out why to do it. Why can't he
not come through the window in her room until
she shatters it, but he can go anywhere else
in the house she wants to. He wants to. Yes.
I didn't even think about that, but you're exactly
right. Because the ghost was able to go in the
room. But he changes the room shape many times.
Also, the spikes over the bed. Oh, why? Like,
why is that a thing in general? But then the
spider limbs that kind of come down and like
hold her down. Yeah. I'm also a scary children
ghost are yelling at her like, yes, you're not
helping right now. You're making this worse,
kids. Yeah. The way they pinned her to to the
bed. I think she could have gotten out of there
This okay Now we're talking about the bed and
the settings and anything Yeah, there was a really
good movie about three inches underneath the
surface of this movie. Yes, I agree I agree.
It never quite makes it out, but it was there.
So yeah, I'll also say does it hurt that this
was PG -13? Yes. Yeah. Yeah I think so. I agree
completely, because I think they could have gotten
a lot darker, a lot worse if this was R. And
let's face it, we had two people of bloodshed,
pretty much. We had no cannon fodder, is one
of my favorite terms. Yeah. And like in a horror
movie, that's kind of what I'm looking for, let's
face it. You want some despicable characters
to get theirs. Yeah. Not Owen Wilson. Not Owen
Wilson. Not like that. Not like that. Wow. Let's
talk about Owen Wilson and his death scene, the
magic carpet of death. I love that name. Oh,
it's so good. We addressed earlier the fireplace
and everything. Yeah. And in the movie, we also
saw the fireplace. There's a giant flu that comes
across and it almost hits Dr. Morrow and Owen
Wilson, I can't remember Luke. That's it. Yeah.
Because Luke Wilson, that's why I always hate.
Yeah. So Luke and Dr. Morrow are in the fireplace
trying to examine what Nell saw and this giant
flu comes across. And we've addressed this earlier
in the movie. Now we're later in the movie and
Luke kind of loses it and starts hitting at the
crane painting with a candlestick. He's going
full clue mode. What is he doing? You son of
a bitch. And he's just hitting the picture. It's
the first time, Mike, before he rips it. Yeah.
And then he just turns around and kind of just
hops off. Well, now convinces him like, stop,
stop. And he's like, OK, fine. And jumps off.
He's but I mean, they had just seen. Yeah, like
the destruction of the house. I don't it's okay.
Keep going. That was nuts Well, then he ends
up on this carpet that suddenly pulls him and
he's like way ahead of everybody and Nels is
yelling no And he gets slid off of the carpet
into the fireplace 30 40 feet 30 40 feet easily.
Yes, exactly He gets launched like absolutely
launched. So he's in the fireplace and now just
like the fireplace, slow motion, the flu comes
and beheads him. Yeah. And it's so it's shaped
like it wasn't a dragon or a lion or that kind
of lion. But yeah, yeah, it could be either.
It's an animal of some variety and its mouth
is what catches his head. And then it dumps out.
and that's where an arc and a gun is something
because maybe we would have seen the head rolling
or and just while it's rolling it just goes wow
like with the last gasp of air as it's escaping
wow but we don't get that because it's pg -13
right exactly i was i was laughing my ass off
at that scene though as soon as i saw it i needed
to share with claire and i i showed her that
and she actually regretted not watching the movie
because she felt like she would laugh at it That's
the one right there, that scene. If that doesn't
get you, what are you even watching it for? Yeah,
exactly. That is the one scene that might have
saved this movie for me. Because I'm going to
probably give it a scathing number. This number
could have been worse. The beheading magic carpet
of death might have given it a higher number.
But yeah, so then the house is just going off
trying to kill everybody. everybody and the kids
are just like go to the doors go to the doors
there's these doors that are which is okay hold
on no yeah go ahead the kids are like leave leave
leave after telling her to come back three times
at this point i think she's at the car come back
elinor and she does another like get out get
out yeah we're like in poltergeist like don't
go towards the light yeah go towards the light
like make your mind up That's a good poltergeist
voice. Thank you. I love that movie. Oh, it's
so good. Yeah, it's it's a much better movie.
Watch that instead. So much better. Yes, please.
If you want a haunted house movie, watch that.
Honestly, I'd rather watch scary movie, too,
than this. Oh, I've got so even we have. OK,
so we've been kind of jumping back and forth
between the story and then the production. What
the hell was up with the set design? What were
they going for? Because you've got all over the
place. There's Egyptian iconography, Ramses and,
you know, different Anubis, different gods all
over the place. Then Switch. Now you've got Greek
gods all over the place with the griffins and
some rams and stuff. There's even some like Chinese
stuff like in that room they go into. There's
terracotta soldiers. Was there a point behind
it? Oh, there was. There was fucking leprechauns
or something. What's okay? Okay, I usually catch
leprechauns because of my complexion and my leprechauns
Maybe it was like but it felt it felt like leprechauns
or like Fay folk the big room where now gets
punched in the gut by the door Oh Either side
of it. They're like pointing at each other. They
look like little Irish Like, you know, I'm just
going to say Irish Vikings. Yeah. I said it's
the labyrinth door. Like one of us always lies.
One of us always tells the truth, point at each
other. Okay. So were all of these different societies
and religions, were they all there for a point?
Or did the set designer just go to Home Goods
and that's what they had on sale for that day.
That's just what they got. Cause that sounds
like just walking through TJ Maxx or Ross feels
like. Some of it I took as just Crane was building
this house. Because he like became a recluse
when he was at his old age and just basically
like rebuilt the house every couple of months
or so and I took some of that as just Okay, this
is just a different style for this area. I didn't
even think about it. It's The fact that it's
different lore and different religions different
everything like that. I didn't even think about
that and you're exactly right. It's They just
kind of said cool throw it in there make it a
kid In the story of this world that they want
us to buy into and suspend our disbelief to get
into, this man keeps building the house because
he wants to have more kids in it. You know, now
dead children, but before living children. So
let's just make a door. That's a whole motif
of the nine layers of hell and purgatory and
put that in a part. You know, kids love that
shit. Kids are all over that shit. Yeah. And
this is the door that Nell needs to get Hugh
Crane to. Yes. Because this is the one that if
she can get him into those doors, that drags
him to hell. No, you mean into the door, not
through the doors. Not through the door. Into
the actual motif carving itself. Which she also
goes into too. There was a throwaway line at
the beginning. Why is it that? Yeah. Also made
me laugh. So this is in the beginning. She was
talking about the door and she was like, this
is purgatory. And then this is the way to hell
and everything like that. And she goes, I spent
11 years in purgatory. What? What was that? It
threw me too. Oh, you mean, because you had to
take care of your gram. Got it. Yeah, right.
Your mom. Yeah, exactly. That was purgatory.
Yeah. Between the living and the okay. All right.
Like in the beginning of the film. They didn't
address that she had taken care of her mom or
anything like that, but it was just she lived
in purgatory for 11 years. Sometimes I was watching
this and I was just like, I think M9 Shyamalan
watched this movie and was just like, yeah, these
are all great notes. I love the acting in this
and just wrote it down as like, this is how I
want everyone in my movies to act all the time.
All the time. Every single time. Lily Taylor
whispers all of her most dramatic lines. She
under emotes. Yep. And barely talks above a whisper
if she moves at all. Right. Yeah. And this is
Lily Taylor. She's an incredible actress. This
is why she's fourth on the IMDB list, which that
threw me to that she was the main character.
I'm like, oh, I totally thought Catherine Zeta
-Jones was going to be the main main character
the way they laid everything out on the IMDB
page. But I guess in 1999. What was really Taylor?
Yeah, what else was she? Well, you like that
up. I'll go ahead and tell you the accolades
that this movie was nominated for. Oh, I'm excited.
Golden Razzies. Yes. Worst picture. OK. Worst
director. Yep. Worst actress with Catherine Zeta
-Jones. Wow. OK. Worst screenplay. Yep. And worst
screen couple, Lily Taylor, Catherine Zeta -Jones.
OK. All right. Yeah. She was in two episodes
of Mad About You. OK. One episode of the X -Files.
All right. I guess I'm just mostly thinking of
the Conjuring. She was great in the Conjuring.
And Perry Mason. But those are all after 1999,
obviously. Yeah, that's the thing. She was in
Rudy in 1993. Oh, word. All right. Yeah. Mean
she's in a lot of stuff. She was in acting. Okay.
Yeah, so here here we go She she's she was in
she's having a baby mystic pizza say anything
born on the fourth of July But these are in like
the 80s Mm -hmm and then after that she just
goes through like Besides Rudy the rest of these
movies. I'm like, I don't know these movies and
then I shot Andy Warhol Okay Couple TV shows
and then the year before To the year after so
98 she was in pecker Okay 99 a slipping down
life 99 the haunting and then 2000 high fidelity
Alright, so 2000 begins the upswing again. Yes.
So she was like, yeah, she was in between at
this point Which pecker wasn't a bad movie. I
only laugh because I was 13 or 14 when that came
out. And I just remember seeing Packer and thinking
it was really funny. As you know, it's a late
John Waters movie. So, yeah, it's not the worst
thing. No, there's definitely worse things. Yeah.
And I'm just trying to see what else Leatherface
the nun. Yeah, see now she's fully in the conjuring
universe, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah.
And she was also in American Crime, 21 episodes
of American Crime. Oh, wow. OK. And the Maze
Runner series. But see all that. She's a great
actress. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And there's no question
she's a great actress. They were just like all
of your instincts and all of your skills you've
learned. Let's just get rid of those. Just now
you're going to do it this way. Yeah. Because,
you know, it's more scary. Right. Everything.
God, it keeps reminding me of the silence. Yeah.
This month began with the silence and how they
whisper talk everything while they're also sign
-languaging. So everything gets brought back.
Do you also get Bruce Dern mixed up with Gary
Busey or is that just me? I think that's just
you. Okay. Anytime Bruce Dern, like when he first
pops on screen, I'm like, ah, Gary Busey's in
this. Oh no, that's Bruce Dern. I mean, I see
how you get there. Yeah. It's the smile in the
hair, I think. Yeah, yeah, the smile is definitely.
Yeah, I get you on that. I forgot he was in Nebraska
and he was the big part of Nebraska, but I just
forgot that. Yeah, that's another big name. That
was only a minute and a half of screen time,
as we said before. But yeah, so was Bruce Dern
on the poster. Where does he add on the lineup?
He is fifth. OK, he's fifth in the lineup. Right
behind Lily Taylor This movie made not enough
hundred and seventy seven million dollars Worldwide
that scares me a little bit budget 80 million
So it did not do bad. 180 million rounded up
to against an 80 million dollar budget. That's,
that's, that's pretty good. God damn. That's
nuts. Opening weekend, 33 mil. It almost made
its money. Uh, not almost. I guess there's 50,
50 mils behind. That's not, that's nothing to
spit about, you know? Yeah. Steven Spielberg
was not upset about DreamWorks making that money.
Nope. Any other points that were big for you?
Well, the funny thing is at one point during
the movie I literally wrote So the movie was
a fake insomnia like sleep deprivation thing
and I said that's really apropos because I'm
falling asleep watching Yes, that was the one
note I was like I need to get I need to get that
in There's the paint or the paint blood whatever
on the painting that says welcome home Eleanor.
Yeah Oh, that's why I think, you know what, that's
why it was multiple days, is because that paint
disappeared and Dr. Morrow said, yeah. So we
just didn't see them, but they were back. They
had Bruce Dern for a day, Mike. He was like,
I could give you six hours. And they were like...
All right, come in four o 'clock. They shot the
morning shot at four thirty. They shot the night
shot at seven. Brewster did not come back. No,
he's just like, I'm done. See you. Good movie.
Pay me my residuals. That's exactly what happened.
Oh, that's exactly it. Like, I want to see what
Brewster was doing that he would have been so
busy that he couldn't have done the rest of this
movie. He was in anything else. Yeah. Herbs was
eighty nine. So there was that. That's definitely.
He could have done a con that weekend just talking
about the burbs. Yeah, right. It would have been
a better more fun for him. Can't be in this movie.
I got a comic con to go to. Oh, we didn't even
talk. We didn't finish going over the synopsis.
So I made the joke earlier about everything being
black, maroon or brown. And that's 100 % true.
Small soldiers, by the way, just because that
makes me happy. That was in 98. No. Yes. She's
an all white. Everything else totally bland and
like hidden But just in case you know, like who's
the hero in this is the hero of this film Yeah,
probably the lady wearing all white and then
the dr. Morrow was in all dark colors I do agree
with that Luke was in blue at one point. I will
say I don't think there was anything to I think
he just Oh, was he in a suit? I don't know. I
don't remember. I just found it funny that he
was there for all of 30 seconds and then he was
gone. Hey, this is Todd. I feel like he was supposed
to be the control person of the group. Yeah,
I guess he gave him the test and stuff and then
he just noped out. Yeah, took her to the hospital.
Well, and like the fact that he was the one trusted
to take her to the hospital also says like they
had a they had a working relationship, I think
a prior. Yeah, some connection. Yeah, exactly.
And we never hear if she was okay or not. No.
Just assume she has her eye still. Nell beats
Crane, and her great grandma's soul comes out
of her body. And that's the end of it. That's
it. And the only ones at the door to greet the
Dudleys are Dr. Morrow and Theo. Oh, the Dudleys
give no shit that the other two people are not
there. They just knew it was gonna happen. They're
like, oh, okay, cool. We gotta clean up some
blood, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And then fade to
black, carnival music, credit start. And my wife
just went, what the fuck is that? Fucking carnival
music. She has died like Jesus. And I mean, like
not in any kind of sense. They beat you over
the head with that. She's full T pose mode. Oh,
definitely lowered by angels. Yep. Yeah. yeah
she's she's long gone in the jesus pose because
she saved the children that was her great grandma's
soul in her body right uh sure is she just possessed
or i don't know i really like i go at that point
there's a scene earlier when Nell's beginning
to crack or whatever is happening. She's running
around looking in mirrors and she's like, that's
not me. And she's turning into someone else.
I swear the last face she is, is Tobey Maguire's
face from 1999. I need to grab a screenshot and
send it to you. That's I don't know who they're
going for, but that's Tobey Maguire. That's amazing.
Yeah. Yeah. So that's the haunting 1999. Don't
watch it. There's better. So you know how we
do this, one through five, or well, really zero
through five, and you give it a weird rating,
not like a star. Yeah. What would you give this?
Two and a half costume changes. Two and a half.
Wow. Yeah, I'm gonna go very different. And remember,
I said the beheading saved it a little bit. I'm
going point five, point five. Yeah. I guess just
for that scene alone, I think there's a little
redemption in. The cinematography is great. Yes,
I think I do like this. I think the set is beautiful.
Yep. Even though it's weird, but yes, there's
enough of Shirley Jackson's original incredible
story left that I think you can. There's a little
there, but the acting and the directing just
kind of ruin all of it. Go read the book. Like,
spend a couple hours. It's not a big book. Go
read the book instead. Yeah, I'm giving it 0
.5 out of 5 children ghost faces. Yeah, that
was a... I'll change my two and a half Prada
boots. Prada boots. From Milan, not New York.
Yeah, exactly. I wonder why she won worst actress.
Yeah. So that's a haunting. What else you got,
Zach? You got anything else? Oh, no, not right
now. Like the podcast is coming back next year.
Go read the book. Go read the book. I watched
the Flanagan on Netflix. Yes. Yes. Always watch
Flanagan on Netflix. That makes me want to go
watch Hush now. Yeah, I love that movie. Dude,
I love that movie. So, dude, Mike, thanks for
having me. You got it. Happy Halloween, buddy.
Happy Halloween to everybody. Yeah. Uh, this
is going to release on Halloween. Oh, make sure.
Do not blow your jack -o -lanterns out until
tomorrow. Yes. Unless you don't want Sam to be
mad at you. Don't be don't be mad, Sam. We're
not taking out our stakes or decorations or anything.
So no. Yeah. So happy Halloween, everyone. Trick
or treat. You've been listening to Game for a
Movie where we ask, are you game for a movie?
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