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You know what that sound means? It's a brand

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new year and it's a new episode of Game for a

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Movie, episode 27. Happy New Year, guys. Yeah,

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happy 2021. Off to a great start. Off to a great

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start. I've been trying to, like, temper my expectations

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going into this. I posted a bunch of memes on

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our Twitter and stuff to try to, like, hey, just

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a reminder, 2021 is the year of Mad Max. Like,

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don't get too ahead of yourselves. And then things

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happened. But we won't talk about that. All of

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my YouTubers who are, like, inspirational are,

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like, 2021 is going to be a fresh start. Clean

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slate. Great things lie ahead. Lies. Try to temper

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my expectations. It's not lies. It's just too

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high of optimism for, you know. It's a shrug.

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It's a shrug. I just don't, I don't get people

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that think that 2021 was going to be so much

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better when we're still in a pandemic. Like,

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we know this year started and we knew it was

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not going to be. Their jobs are meant, are. inspirational

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YouTubers, so they can't just break out the doom

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and gloom umbrella and be like, yep, it's a reign

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of sorrow. Nope, that's our job. You gotta keep

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your brand. That's our job, apparently. We can't

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be inspirational. We gotta be doom and gloom.

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I am your host, Mike Butank. I am joined by...

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It's Jill. Andre. And Mitchell. Ah, yes. You

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guys are virtual. I'm all alone here. I miss

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you guys. I miss you too. I miss you too. Hey,

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congrats on the half marathon, by the way. Thanks,

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guys. Thank you. I'm literally trying to get

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downstairs. Took all of my energy that I had

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left, which was zero. I could breathe on you

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and you'd fall over. The dog jumped on me and

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I almost fell. You know, I'm extremely proud

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of it, but I'm also very glad it's done. Shout

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out to Nick DePace, who already invited me to

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the Hartford Marathon. Whoa. When is that scheduled?

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October. Okay. Do it. This is not the right day

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to ask me. I'll help train me with you for that

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one, if somehow, because I really want to get

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back into running once the weather is... consistently

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above 45 degrees. I'm happy to train with you,

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but once I realized that today's run would be

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like a practice for that, yeah, I'm probably

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not going to jump on that. But I've earned this

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beer. I'm sure you guys have earned your drinks

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as well. We'll start with Jill again. Jill, what

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are you drinking? So I'm going to be switching

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off, but currently I am drinking a Dogfish Head

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Campfire Amplifier. It is a stout with probably

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a shot and a half of Screwball peanut butter

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whiskey. I've been working on this since 2 o

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'clock. And then my follow -up is a classic Down

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East double blend. Shout -out to Down East. I

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love you. Nice. Dre, what are you drinking over

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there? I made myself a Moscow beer. That's your

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favorite. Yeah, you know, with a shot of Esplante

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Keto. and some ginger beer. Mexico meal, whatever

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they call it. A riff on a Moscow meal. That's

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what I got. There you go. I love it. I gotta

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say, you were gone for a while when we first

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started talking before we started recording.

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We were all wondering where you were. We were

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going to play Where's T -Dog with Where's Andre.

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The world is Andre San Diego. I love it. Mitchell,

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what do you got over there? I didn't quite earn

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the beer that you got, Mike, with 13 .1 miles.

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Hey, you still earned it, buddy. Yeah, what I'm

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enjoying right now is a nice old -fashioned with

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George Dickel Tennessee whiskey in the mix. Got

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some bitters in there. Kelly's parents got me

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a nice little cocktail set up so I can make my

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own cocktails with all the products. Yeah, so

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it's been good. I'm going to start with this,

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and then I'm going to finish things off with

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the Blue Moon, knowing how long these recordings

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tend to be. I'm here for it. Steven Orange sliced

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for that Blue Moon. Um, yeah, because I used

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some orange slice here as well. Yeah, it's good

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to get the peel and the garnish in the drink,

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so that's what you need. Andre, we've added another

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to the cocktail off whenever we do another cocktail

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off. Yes, I have plans for this cocktail off.

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Oh. Secret, not secret, I have an idea for a

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game for a movie thing that involves a murder

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mystery party set in 1920 Chicago. It's got Italian

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food and outfits, and I want this to happen so

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badly. Yes, it will happen. That sounds amazing.

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My beer is Pug. It's a New England IPA from Reverie

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Brewing. It's where I host trivia on Wednesday

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nights. Highly suggest it if you're anywhere

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in the area. Please come on out. I host outside,

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so at the very least you can watch me freeze

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to death. But yeah, it's a good time. all involved.

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So that will bring us to our movies. But actually,

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I wanted to introduce the new segment before

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we get started. Jill and Andre already know about

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it. I'm going to throw Mitchell under the bus

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here because we didn't bring it up. So I am doing

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something with my hair that's different. Claire

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and I have been, we watched a movie like two

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months ago. I'll give you guys the full look.

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You guys can see everything. We're playing Mike's

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Mane. You have to guess the movie. You have to

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guess the movie I am trying to model my hair

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after one of the characters in it. But I can

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tell you that Claire and I watched this a couple

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months ago. So I will lift off my headphones.

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I will show you. It's still early. But here is

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my hair. So you can kind of guess. Look, I'm

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going to sound like an asshole, but I'm going

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to say Kris Kringle from... I'm going to say

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that is not the winner. I know at least one person

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has seen this. I'm pretty confident all three

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of you have, but I don't want to ask you because

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I don't want to give it away, obviously. Is it

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like a punchable character? Wow, you have a comfortable

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face, Mike. Like, what did I do to you? Nothing.

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But I'm trying to, like, suss out some clues.

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I can see that. Am I rooting for them like Rudy

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from the movie Rudy? I would say you're rooting

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for them. I'm not going to give you many hints,

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but I would say you're rooting for them. Like

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Rudy from Rudy. And we're going to play this

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game until either I get bored or somebody guesses

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it. You get one guess a week. One guess a week?

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Yep. So we're going to continue this particular

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look? Each of you get one, yeah. Okay. And I

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can tell you it's still early. Like I said, it's

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still early. I haven't done a whole lot. So it's

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still early in the process. And it came out in

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2020, this movie? I did not say that ever. There's

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so many movies that you could be... There's a

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lot. ...lampooning. Yeah. So it's just a character

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from a movie, and that's it? You just gotta name

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the movie. That's it. You don't even need to

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name the character. If you can guess the character,

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I'll give you a bonus point, but honestly, if

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you get the movie, that's the winner. And what

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does the points go towards? The points don't

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matter. Okay. No, Price is right. Or, whose line

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is it anyway? Price is right. Who knows? Maybe

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it makes the other two see a bad movie. Are we

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trying to be like a Domohill Gleeson character

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because of the hair color? I don't know. I got

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nothing. You got nothing? No movies? No guesses?

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Is your hair color accurate to the actor that

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you're trying to portray? Not terribly. Okay.

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Got it. That's good to know, so I'll just...

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play with different hues of color. I don't know

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if that's really going to help you much, because

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most of the people in movies have different color

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hair than me. Oh, that's true. That's true. It

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would have almost helped you the other way. I'm

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going to say Batflick. Really? It is not Batflick.

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Doesn't Batman have a beard in Justice League?

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Not like this, though. The facial hair is part

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of it. The facial hair is a part of it. I have

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been trying to keep that... The facial hair is

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close. The rest of it is not. Well, I'm disappointed

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we're not going mutton chops. Yeah, mutton chops

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would have been fun. I gave my guess. Batflick.

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Batflick doesn't have that beard. No, he does

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not have a beard. I've only seen him in Justice

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League. I have not had the pleasure or interest

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to watch Batman v Superman. Probably stick it

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that way. Yeah, you can spare yourself some time.

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Andre, do you have a guess? Two hours, pretty

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bad. productive, but I cannot for the life of

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me because I have basically nothing to go off

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of. It's basically your hair slightly grown out.

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It's a weird game. This is why I wanted to do

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it, because I like it. You're not... I'm just

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going to throw it out there just to eliminate

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it. You're not trying to go for Thor from Dark

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World specifically. That's my only guess. It's

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not Thor from Dark World. Dark World Thor has

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long hair. You gotta give Mike at least a month.

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I can say that I started this two months ago

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and my hair is pretty long for me. Yeah, the

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reason I said Dark World because I'm pretty sure

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that's when he has that level of beard in Thor

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2, right? Maybe. Are you trying to do the fishtail?

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Are you trying to do the endgame fishtail? Yeah,

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no, maybe not. Thor has a beard in... You guessed

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Thor Dark World. That is your guess. That's my

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guess. I shot my shot. You shot your shot. So

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we'll try again next time. But yeah. So now we'll

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jump into movies. Jill, you're going to get us

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started. All right. Well, I can tell you that

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you're definitely not lampooning or mimicking

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George Clooney's beard. For this podcast, I decided

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to kind of go and lean towards my sci -fi leaning

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side. And I decided to check out George Clooney's

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newest film, The Midnight Sky. He directed this.

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It came out in 2020. It's a Netflix original.

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It is based on a novel called Good Morning Midnight

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by Lily Brooks Dalton. Good Morning Midnight,

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okay. Yeah, and it has a pretty good cast. It

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has Felicity Jones, who I think is the name that

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I recognize the most. Some other really great

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actors, probably big in the UK. Yeah, British.

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It was a decent middling two -hour ride. 118

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minutes. I looked up a review after the fact,

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and it did a pretty good job of essentially saying

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this film wears its influences on its sleeves.

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It tries and pulls a lot from films like Interstellar,

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Gravity, The Martian, and a few others. I'll

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do a quick summary. The world has ended. It's

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2049. The world has ended. It's done. People

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have left. There is, from what we know, one man

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left in the world. George Clooney's character.

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He's a scientist. Did you say 2021? 2049. 2021.

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Got it. Okay. He's left on Earth. He's up in

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the Arctic because the Arctic area is... They

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figured out would be the last areas affected

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by whatever caused the apocalypse. They never

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really say, but it's heavily insinuated to probably

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be nuclear because there's radiation levels.

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And he realizes that there is a space mission

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that's still active and it's on its way back

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to Earth. So the real plot of the movie is him

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trying to get in contact with the people on the

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spaceship coming back from, I think it's Jupiter.

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To tell them, don't come back here, there's nothing

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here for you. And it's two stories, really. It's

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him on Earth, he discovers a little girl, and

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they decide to go to another base to contact

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the spaceship, and then the people on the spaceship.

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And the spaceship side of it is where you really

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see the gravity and the interstellar. The Martian

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influences is that it's like the last guy out

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there. It oddly made me really want to re -watch

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The Tree of Life. Even though the tree of life

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is infinitely deeper than this movie even tries

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to be. Interesting, okay. But it made me want

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to watch it. And, you know, it's not his worst

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film ever, but it's also by far not his best.

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And it just, anyone I think who's going to watch

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it is going to want to watch the films that inspired

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it, particularly Interstellar and Gravity. And

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I don't even like Gravity. I've seen it. It didn't

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do anything for me. It's well acted. You care

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about these characters. I don't want to spoil

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the ending, but it's moving. Okay. My biggest,

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besides the fact that it's not trying to hide

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what inspired it, my biggest complaint is that

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the movie just kind of ends. You kind of get

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a reveal, but you kind of guessed that's where

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it was going. And it just kind of stops. And

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the closing credits... characters just doing

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a thing. I don't want to spoil what it is, but

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the credits roll silently as these characters

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are doing some actions. And that's the movie.

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It doesn't go out with a bang, but it doesn't

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go out with a whimper. It just kind of goes out

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and they lived. How long was the movie you said

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again? 118 minutes. And did you feel those 118

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minutes? So you would say like slow burn kind

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of? Yes, but then it's not because when you're

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there in space, there has to naturally be some

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tension. So something happens and they're like,

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well, we have to go out and fix the ship. So

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some characters go out and they do that. There's

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a very bizarre moment where somebody blasts Sweet

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Caroline and they sing Sweet Caroline. And there's

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a character who's like, I don't know the song.

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I don't know the song, and I'm like, are you

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being sarcastic, or do you genuinely not know

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this song in 2049? It would be a classic hit

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at that point. I mean, that would be the first

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song I think I would play out to space to aliens,

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because nobody can resist going, bah, bah, bah.

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Well, they've determined that there is no alien

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life yet that humans have found. That's not really

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a spoiler. I wish that this movie had leaned

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more into the science, the way that the Martian...

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does, which I highly recommend if you haven't

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seen it, and I also highly recommend reading

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the book. Or instead of leaning into the hard

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sciences and explaining why all these things

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are happening and how one could survive or not

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survive, I wish they leaned on the other side

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of the spectrum, harder towards the interstellar.

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Give me that grand space opera rather than a

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not quite deep meditation on... And they don't

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really even do that. So, you know, it's middling.

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It's not bad. It's not amazing. But it's by no

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means a horrible film. I think we're in a weird

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era for space movies because I'm a huge fan of

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those as well, Joe. And the movies that immediately

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come to mind for me of ones that are middling,

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and I think for different reasons, but we have

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Ad Astra, which was the Brad Pitt movie that

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came out two years ago or a year and a half ago.

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It's been a while. Which I haven't seen, and

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the review that I read, which was from Roger

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Eber, identified Ad Astra as another influence.

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I didn't list that one because I have not seen

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it. I was going to say, to your point, Mitchell,

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because we were talking about this earlier, we

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did see Ad Astra, and Midnight Sky really feels

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a lot like it. And I have not seen it, I'm just,

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based on the little bit I've seen of it, which

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is like a trailer and a clip of it, it feels

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very similar. Most of these space movies now,

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and I appreciate what the artists are going for.

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The other one that comes to mind is Robert Pattinson's

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High Life, which was directed by Claire Denis,

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very famous French director. Her whole thing

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was, this isn't a movie so much about space as

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much as it is about people in prison. And that's

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ultimately what their spaceship was. It was these...

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Criminals who are sent out into space to do tasks

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because they shouldn't be on Earth. And this

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is their punishment. This is them serving time.

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So that was both interesting looks of what space

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could mean. And then for Ad Astra, it was a father

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or a son with daddy issues. You know, spoiler

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alert. But it's very interesting how high art

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has been brought into this. And this is a departure

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from the Martian and Interstellar, it sounds

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like. So, yeah, very interesting. Yeah, if anything,

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I wish that this movie had picked an area to

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lean in. So either the meditation of the existence

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of life, the deeper introspection on space and

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what is out there or not out there, or just the

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characters. And unfortunately, it didn't really

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pick a direction. It decided to just kind of

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stay in the middle. And I love a good highbrow.

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I don't understand exactly what I'm watching,

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but I'm going to watch it. The Fountain is one

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of my favorite movies of all time. I saw that

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movie with my dad in theaters. We still talk

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about what exactly did we see? What is that movie

00:18:32.450 --> 00:18:35.910
trying to say? This movie's not really saying

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anything, which is unfortunate. It is very pretty.

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It's shot wonderfully. And, I mean, George Clooney

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is, you know, with many talents and he directed

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it and I think he did a very good job with the

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direction but it just wasn't I wanted more and

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it to the film's credit it never tried to suggest

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it was going to give me more than what it was

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giving so with that in mind I'd give it I hate

00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:09.559
to do this I'm going to do like the weird not

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official you know not a full score but I'll give

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it a 2 .8 2 .8 okay 2 .8 out of what though?

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2 .8. Let's see. There's a lot of things in this

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one. 2 .8 Sweet Carolines out of 5. Oh, Sweet

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Carolines. Oh, my gosh. It was a moment where

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I'm like, this is happening. All right, they're

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doing this. I will say something that very distracted

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me, and it's not this movie's fault, is that

00:19:36.259 --> 00:19:38.579
the main male character from Godzilla, King of

00:19:38.579 --> 00:19:40.880
Monsters, was in it. And I was just like, oh,

00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.140
my God, Ghidorah's going to come down. I'm ready.

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I'm ready. Yeah, if all of a sudden Godzilla's

00:19:51.509 --> 00:19:56.190
in it. Or Mothra just flapped by in space. Make

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it a kaiju movie in space. I'm down for that.

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Yeah, that'd be awesome. Okay, I guess I go next.

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I watched a Netflix documentary called The Speedcubers.

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It takes place all at the World National Tournament

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for Rubik's Cube Solving. and it follows two

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people Max and Felix what's cool about this is

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the premise of it it doesn't go in like making

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it hey you're cheering for one or the other obviously

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but it follows these two so Felix is from Australia

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Max is from USA Max is autistic and it dives

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into 20 minutes of it probably is all about his

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autism and like the, how he got to be a Rubik's

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cube solver. Dude solves a Rubik's cube in six

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seconds. Like he is insane. Uh, so is Felix.

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Felix has always been in the light about, uh,

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Rubik's cube solving. So when he was like a kid,

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he came on the equivalent of the tonight show

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and just went boom, here's the cube, you know,

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like that kind of stuff. And this was like when

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he was a kid. So he's been in this life forever.

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They each constantly break each other's records.

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They each constantly are, like, competing against

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each other at World Nationals. Felix, what I

00:21:20.140 --> 00:21:24.400
like about his story is he is now 17 or 18. I

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don't really remember which of them. And he is

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living on his own and trying to, like, find life

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past cubing, which, like, there's no real money

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in it. And what he's dealing with that they go

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into is usually at this point you become less

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of a cuber because there's girls, there's jobs,

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there's schoolwork. All this stuff gets in the

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way so you're not as practicing as much. But

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what also is cool is they go into the relationship

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between Max and Felix. So the tournament is in

00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:08.009
Australia. Max flies with his family. Felix is

00:22:08.009 --> 00:22:10.509
like, this might be my last tournament. I really

00:22:10.509 --> 00:22:13.049
want to give it my all. But at the same time,

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they go to dinner together. They go to karaoke

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bars together. Max is obviously infatuated with

00:22:19.589 --> 00:22:23.089
Felix and like has so much respect for him. So

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when there was a point where Felix was about

00:22:28.849 --> 00:22:31.539
to go on and like Max is just like, I hope he

00:22:31.539 --> 00:22:33.119
does well, I hope he does well, like that kind

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of stuff. And it's really cool because they're

00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:39.539
competitors, but they have this respect for each

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other, this friendship together. It's a very

00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:47.119
cool film. It's 40 minutes. It's quick, breezy.

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It doesn't overstay its welcome. It doesn't understay

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its welcome. I actually really love this film.

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It's also very cool to see somebody who is autistic.

00:22:58.569 --> 00:23:02.009
at the top of their field like this. Um, it's

00:23:02.009 --> 00:23:04.750
a very cool perspective because everybody knows

00:23:04.750 --> 00:23:07.569
who Max is. Everybody cheers for Max, but at

00:23:07.569 --> 00:23:09.250
the same time, like wants to compete with him.

00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:14.029
But Max is just so freaking good at it. Even

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like when, uh, so they basically like show it

00:23:17.289 --> 00:23:19.029
to you on like a dinner plate, you know, and

00:23:19.029 --> 00:23:20.869
they remove the plate and then you get to look

00:23:20.869 --> 00:23:23.710
at it once, put it down, start the clock, go,

00:23:23.730 --> 00:23:26.829
go, go, go, clock down, that kind of stuff. Um,

00:23:26.829 --> 00:23:32.859
and, You get three times to solve a cube, and

00:23:32.859 --> 00:23:34.740
then they take your average, and then that's

00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:39.720
your final score is your average score. It's

00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:43.319
just a very cool movie. It is so well done because

00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:46.740
it all takes place at one thing. So it's not

00:23:46.740 --> 00:23:49.240
like they've been waiting for this tournament.

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They knew they were going to this tournament,

00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.779
so the results are what the results are. But

00:23:55.779 --> 00:23:57.700
one of the coolest moments, I think, of this

00:23:57.700 --> 00:24:02.619
movie, is Max and Felix are backstage waiting

00:24:02.619 --> 00:24:07.900
on the results. They know that Max has won something.

00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:12.839
There's so many events that it's not the... I

00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:14.819
won't go into details about which one it is.

00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:17.119
This is one of the events. They know he's won.

00:24:17.900 --> 00:24:20.660
So they call his name, and Felix just grabs him

00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:22.640
and is like, Max, that's you! Get out of his

00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.259
way! Here he comes! And he's leading him to the

00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:27.750
stage and that kind of stuff. And it's such a

00:24:27.750 --> 00:24:30.990
cool moment to see because both of them are so

00:24:30.990 --> 00:24:34.789
happy for each other. That's beautiful. Yeah,

00:24:34.869 --> 00:24:36.430
it's a very cool moment. It sounds like a really

00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:39.410
sweet movie. Yeah, it sounds awesome. Yeah, oh,

00:24:39.509 --> 00:24:41.869
it's very cool. Like I said, it's 40 minutes.

00:24:42.009 --> 00:24:45.529
It's well worth its time. And especially when

00:24:45.529 --> 00:24:49.269
I was going to watch a different movie and decided

00:24:49.269 --> 00:24:51.950
to change my mind. And that other movie was a

00:24:51.950 --> 00:24:54.450
33 % on Rotten Tomatoes that I learned later.

00:24:55.069 --> 00:24:58.039
Oh, you dodged a bullet. I dodged a bullet, yes.

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And so it made it that much better for me. So,

00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.799
I think this is my first time on the show. I

00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.779
give it a 5 seconds out of 5 for Rubik's Cube.

00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:14.799
Wow! I'll have to check it out. The only way

00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.920
that I can add to this conversation is that what...

00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.900
The way you discussed it kind of reminds me of

00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:21.319
a handful of speedrunners that I'm familiar with

00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:23.599
that I've said that are on the spectrum. And

00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:25.519
I kind of just want to give a shout out to, there's

00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:27.339
a charity stream going on actually right now

00:25:27.339 --> 00:25:29.140
for the next couple of days called Awesome Games

00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:31.720
Done Quick. And it's basically just an event

00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:33.880
where... All of these well -known speedrunners

00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.680
will just stream them trying to speedrun through

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.619
a game for charity, and they kind of just go

00:25:39.619 --> 00:25:41.059
through their process and kind of talk a little

00:25:41.059 --> 00:25:43.880
bit about their life story, etc. And these stories

00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.200
you brought up about these two kids kind of just

00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.000
reminded me of that, where I've kind of seen

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.819
that kind of development coming out of just these

00:25:51.819 --> 00:25:54.359
kids that are insanely talented trying to hone

00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:58.869
their craft on one specific very fine task. I

00:25:58.869 --> 00:26:00.470
would say if you enjoyed that film, and I want

00:26:00.470 --> 00:26:02.170
to check it out too, I would definitely say try

00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:06.009
checking out a few speedrunners. For sure. Very

00:26:06.009 --> 00:26:08.710
cool. For sure. No, that sounds awesome, really.

00:26:09.089 --> 00:26:12.869
This is such a cool thing that I really enjoyed,

00:26:12.990 --> 00:26:16.430
especially because we don't see a lot of autistic

00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:20.450
people in movies, TV shows, that kind of thing,

00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:24.490
that get this kind of treatment. So it's something

00:26:24.490 --> 00:26:30.279
that's very cool to me. discovering how he learned

00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.799
to love his mom, how he learned to love the Rubik's

00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.099
Cube, that kind of stuff, and his infatuation

00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:40.279
with Felix. It's really cool to experience. That

00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:45.339
will bring us to you, Andre. Oh, me? Yeah. Hey!

00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:49.599
So, the movie I'm going to be talking about is

00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.970
a film called Bad Education. It is a film starring

00:26:53.970 --> 00:26:58.950
one Allison Janney and Hugh Jackman. I was going

00:26:58.950 --> 00:27:00.950
to say, Hugh Jackman. It technically came out

00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:05.470
in 2019, but it was released on streaming on

00:27:05.470 --> 00:27:09.650
HBO, I think, back in April 2020. And so this

00:27:09.650 --> 00:27:12.529
is kind of a dramatization based on a true story

00:27:12.529 --> 00:27:16.049
of the largest embezzlement scheme of a public

00:27:16.049 --> 00:27:19.069
school system in American history. It happened

00:27:19.069 --> 00:27:22.970
in Roslyn High in Long Island back in 2002. And

00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:24.910
it's kind of funny because Jill and I watched

00:27:24.910 --> 00:27:26.509
this together, and Jill grew up in Long Island.

00:27:26.670 --> 00:27:30.930
You didn't go to Roslyn, obviously, but you were

00:27:30.930 --> 00:27:32.950
very familiar with the story, and I was not going

00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:35.009
into this. I had never heard it before. It sounded

00:27:35.009 --> 00:27:38.279
like it made waves in the tri -state area. I

00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.180
wasn't super familiar with what happened here

00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:45.160
in this movie. Okay. It actually just occurred

00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.880
to me. It happened in 2003, 2003. Okay. Yeah,

00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:52.559
it was a year off. But yeah, early 2000s. But

00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.660
basically, it sounds like, upon further research,

00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:59.410
that this is very much... The screenwriter, I

00:27:59.410 --> 00:28:02.230
believe this came about because the screenwriter

00:28:02.230 --> 00:28:05.569
for this went to the Roslin school system in,

00:28:05.650 --> 00:28:07.329
I think he was in middle school at the time that

00:28:07.329 --> 00:28:09.549
this happened. So he met the, but anyway, so

00:28:09.549 --> 00:28:11.589
I'll get into it. It's definitely dramatization.

00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:13.809
It doesn't sound like it's very like super factual,

00:28:13.910 --> 00:28:17.509
but I mean, that doesn't mean that it's not compelling

00:28:17.509 --> 00:28:19.930
at all. It's a really fascinating character study.

00:28:20.509 --> 00:28:23.490
And basically the high -level concept is that

00:28:23.490 --> 00:28:25.849
superintendent and the assistant superintendent

00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:28.549
are basically, like, over a series of years and

00:28:28.549 --> 00:28:30.670
years and years, are just kind of chipping away

00:28:30.670 --> 00:28:32.950
at a school's budget and just kind of pocketing

00:28:32.950 --> 00:28:37.750
it secretly. And so Hugh Jackman plays the superintendent,

00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:40.890
Dr. Frank DeSone, and Allison Janney plays the

00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:46.380
assistant superintendent, Pam Cluckin. And it's

00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.759
really fun to watch. These two leads are just

00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.740
super great. They really steal all the scenes.

00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.460
I don't want to spoil it too much because I feel

00:28:55.460 --> 00:28:57.200
like this movie kind of flew under the radar.

00:28:57.819 --> 00:29:00.380
So I'll just kind of try to explain why I liked

00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:04.759
it. Basically, Hugh Jackman is really good at

00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.680
playing... Sociopath isn't the right word, but...

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.599
Frank Tassone, the film establishes him as a

00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.720
really good superintendent. He establishes him

00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:17.940
as a teacher, as an educator, that actually genuinely

00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:21.500
cares about... the students um you see him kind

00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:23.740
of going through him like he knows like every

00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:25.819
single student he in his school district every

00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:27.980
time like whenever he meets a parent he says

00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:30.720
oh hey like your daughter's doing this like how's

00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.920
that going like oh like you're like your son

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.319
he's playing trombone like is he is he doing

00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.420
well like in band uh etc etc etc and you know

00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:41.119
a lot of these parents a lot of teachers really

00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.759
respond to that and you can tell you can see

00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.440
how he's kind of cultivated sort of like a following

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.279
around himself. Everyone kind of trusts him.

00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.119
Everyone kind of thinks that he's the go -to

00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.920
guy. He's the reason that Roslyn High is the

00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.240
number four school district in Long Island. And

00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.119
the big goal is to try to get to number one.

00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:01.660
And that's kind of how all this stuff kind of

00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:05.059
flew under the radar where he and Pam were...

00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:06.950
stealing money from off the top of the budget,

00:30:07.029 --> 00:30:09.049
and their auditor just never checked on them

00:30:09.049 --> 00:30:11.509
because they trusted both of them so much. Like,

00:30:11.529 --> 00:30:14.450
oh, yeah, Pam and Frank, they're great. Like,

00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:17.109
they know what they're doing. No reason to have

00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:21.130
any oversight over them. And, you know, basically,

00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:23.990
I won't go too deep into the narrative, but so

00:30:23.990 --> 00:30:28.089
basically a plot is kind of Hugh Jackman's character

00:30:28.089 --> 00:30:31.529
kind of having to deal with his whole entire

00:30:31.529 --> 00:30:33.950
Ponzi scheme is kind of coming to light. And

00:30:33.950 --> 00:30:36.849
he's trying to kind of control it and deal with

00:30:36.849 --> 00:30:38.910
the fallout and trying to damage control it.

00:30:38.970 --> 00:30:44.609
And the B plot is about Rachel, a student at

00:30:44.609 --> 00:30:47.509
Roslyn High who's trying to work for the student

00:30:47.509 --> 00:30:51.910
paper. And she's basically trying to – she's

00:30:51.910 --> 00:30:54.910
slowly kind of uncovering something's not right

00:30:54.910 --> 00:30:57.250
here, like the school budget isn't lining up.

00:30:57.450 --> 00:30:59.509
And it's kind of following her plot and trying

00:30:59.509 --> 00:31:02.369
to uncover what kind of fraud's going on and

00:31:02.369 --> 00:31:04.819
how deep does it go. I would say definitely the

00:31:04.819 --> 00:31:06.220
more compelling part is definitely the scenes

00:31:06.220 --> 00:31:07.859
with Hugh Jackman and Allison Janney and them.

00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:10.180
Like, they just absence to the show, where Jill

00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:11.740
and I are watching West Wing right now, where

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:15.180
Allison Janney plays the president, C .J. Craig.

00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:19.720
And it's just so funny to watch her play up this,

00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:21.960
play up Pam Gluckin, who she just has, like,

00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:24.480
the thickest Long Island accent she has. She's

00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.839
all of her stolen money to buy a home in the

00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.420
Hamptons. So it's just so funny to see her play

00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:31.200
a different character than what she is in West

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.990
Wing. Um, but she really does bring it. And yeah,

00:31:35.150 --> 00:31:38.089
I, I don't know. Uh, I can kind of ramble on

00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:41.349
about this movie for a while, but, uh, just seeing

00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:42.869
that what I really liked about this movie, like

00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:44.849
I wouldn't go, I went in knowing that Hugh Jackman's

00:31:44.849 --> 00:31:46.509
playing a character who's stolen a bunch of money.

00:31:46.569 --> 00:31:48.569
But the really striking thing to me is that he

00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:51.509
also is genuinely a proud educator who wants

00:31:51.509 --> 00:31:53.269
to, wants the best for his students. He also

00:31:53.269 --> 00:31:55.230
just wants the best for himself by stealing a

00:31:55.230 --> 00:31:57.490
shitload of money. And you can definitely believe

00:31:57.490 --> 00:32:01.779
how he, kind of capitulated with himself about

00:32:01.779 --> 00:32:03.480
how much money he's been stealing over these

00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:04.900
years. I think he ended up stealing around $2

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:08.200
.2 million from the school system over a series

00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.039
of years, over like four or five years. And,

00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.700
you know, you definitely, the movie kind of ends

00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:17.500
up in a morally gray area where you're not sure,

00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.220
where it's definitely condemnable behavior, but

00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:23.480
also you can't really say that he didn't benefit

00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.559
that school system greatly and he still, you

00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.000
know, was somebody that genuinely cared about

00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.920
the benefit, the fate of the students, rather.

00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:36.319
Yeah. Let's see. I mean, honestly, I could talk

00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:37.660
about this for a while, but I'm just going to

00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:41.720
hear about, I'm going to give this movie 4 .3

00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:46.900
accelerates out of 5. It's really good. I really

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:49.220
enjoyed this. I enjoyed watching this movie.

00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.519
It was weird because, as Andre said, I remember

00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.619
this happening, not closely, because I think...

00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:58.140
We decided that when all of the events started

00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:01.039
to go public, I would have been in sixth grade.

00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.240
So I was old enough to be reading the local newspaper,

00:33:04.579 --> 00:33:08.359
one of them, Newsday, which ran the story, but

00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:10.279
definitely not old enough to really put all of

00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.519
it together to realize the ramifications and

00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.279
what this means. But I remember him, I remember

00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.579
getting blown open, and I remember him getting

00:33:18.579 --> 00:33:21.460
sentenced. And it was just kind of nice seeing

00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:24.349
Long Island in a movie that... They actually

00:33:24.349 --> 00:33:26.789
filmed most of it on Long Island. There were

00:33:26.789 --> 00:33:28.289
parts of it where I'm like, oh, that's supposed

00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:32.349
to be the Hamptons. And then later that got confirmed.

00:33:32.470 --> 00:33:36.390
It's like, oh, that's the Hamptons. Yay! The

00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:39.089
only thing, there's one thing that I don't think

00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:42.450
is accurate. I am excusing you. It's not a five

00:33:42.450 --> 00:33:44.049
out of five right here, Jill. Go on and take

00:33:44.049 --> 00:33:45.769
it away. That was me knocking over my water bottle.

00:33:47.059 --> 00:33:50.940
So there's a scene with the B -plot character,

00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.240
Rachel, who's a junior at Roslyn High. She, as

00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.500
Andre said, is doing a story. It's originally

00:33:57.500 --> 00:34:00.200
started as a puff piece. She goes to interview

00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.980
Frank. He encourages her to dig deeper because

00:34:02.980 --> 00:34:06.319
it's only a puff piece if you make it a puff

00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.280
piece. If you want to be a journalist, you got

00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.639
to know how to find a story. So under his advice,

00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.679
she starts digging and discovers all these things.

00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.619
So she's starting to dig deeper, and she and

00:34:18.619 --> 00:34:21.659
her dad share some pizza, and the pizza just

00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:24.840
did not look accurate. That was not the pizza

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.820
of my Long Island piece. It looked wrong. And

00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:33.460
maybe it was accurate to the area. I don't know.

00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:38.579
As a pizza judger. As a pizza judger, no. That's

00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:43.730
the lactose intolerant. individual is judging

00:34:43.730 --> 00:34:47.489
what pizza looks like um but no it's a really

00:34:47.489 --> 00:34:51.070
fantastic film and i highly recommend um giving

00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:56.250
it a watch it's on hbo and yeah and what's interesting

00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:59.929
is that you know there's i don't want to spoil

00:34:59.929 --> 00:35:01.690
too much but like unfortunately pam got passed

00:35:01.690 --> 00:35:05.550
away but some of this stuff is still important

00:35:05.550 --> 00:35:10.170
to history so it's nice kind of seeing not post

00:35:10.170 --> 00:35:11.469
-credit, but during the credits, they're saying,

00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:14.210
like, what happened to the people? Where are

00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:16.349
they now? And there are some things in there

00:35:16.349 --> 00:35:18.650
that are really, like, eyebrow -raising. And

00:35:18.650 --> 00:35:21.630
I agree with Andre that despite what he does,

00:35:21.829 --> 00:35:24.210
and you could argue that it is almost sociopathic

00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:26.949
because when things start to go south for the

00:35:26.949 --> 00:35:30.610
plan, they first figure it out because they think

00:35:30.610 --> 00:35:33.309
it's all Pam, and he doesn't say anything, and

00:35:33.309 --> 00:35:35.440
then over the course of the film... Me and Andre

00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.320
were saying, like, is he in on it? I don't know

00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.719
if he's in. Like, did he know? Did he not know?

00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.340
And then you find out, yeah, he did. He definitely

00:35:42.340 --> 00:35:44.760
knew. Yeah, okay. He definitely knew, and he

00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.940
was taking advantage of it. But, you know, every

00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:49.880
time someone's like, we need to go, when more

00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.039
and more of the story becomes real to the school

00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.619
board, Ray Romano plays the head of the school

00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:56.639
board. He's like, we need to go public. We need

00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.360
to call the police. We need to call the FBI.

00:35:59.739 --> 00:36:02.539
Frank Tassone is like, no, we need to wait until

00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:05.260
the school budget passes. Because if the school

00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:08.599
budget doesn't pass, then all of our hard work

00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.880
is nothing. So he really did care about those

00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.840
students, even though he also really cared about

00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.179
himself. Yeah, and he'd also show that he's such

00:36:17.179 --> 00:36:19.139
a good social manipulator, too. Like, immediately

00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:21.300
was able to diffuse the situation. Oh, Frank's

00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:23.940
our guy. Frank can figure all this out. He's

00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.840
right. This is for the good of the school system.

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.860
Let's keep this quiet. Yeah. I also love the

00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:31.980
fact that it's Ray Romano in there. Yeah. Great

00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:34.530
casting choices all around here. And I think

00:36:34.530 --> 00:36:38.639
I read that to study for the accent. Hugh Jackman

00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:40.199
was like, this was one of the hardest accents

00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.400
for me to pick up. Right, yeah. I wasn't paying

00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.119
attention too close, Jill, but, I mean, Allison

00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.559
Jane did a great job. Oh, God, it's just so Long

00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.079
Island. But how did Hugh Jackman do in your...

00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.480
Well, his character's supposed to be from Brooklyn,

00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.559
so there's a lot of Brooklyn in there. It all

00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.440
sounded very accurate, and, like, you know, Ray

00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.260
Romano's the first voice you hear, so not only

00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:04.639
is, like, yep, that's Ray, but it's, like, Ray

00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.190
leaning into the New Yorker. Oh, Ray. What would

00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:12.750
you give it rating -wise then? I would share

00:37:12.750 --> 00:37:17.429
Andre's pretty high ranking. I would, to be honest,

00:37:17.650 --> 00:37:21.730
I would give it a five out of five. Five out

00:37:21.730 --> 00:37:26.110
of five Sony PlayStations. Two? Five? Because

00:37:26.110 --> 00:37:30.130
there's a thing, and I even think we... pause

00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:31.769
the movie and I'm like, Andre, is that like how

00:37:31.769 --> 00:37:37.750
much they cost back then? One of the fraudulent

00:37:37.750 --> 00:37:40.389
expenses is a Sony Playstation 2. Come on, nerd.

00:37:41.889 --> 00:37:45.590
How little things have actually changed over

00:37:45.590 --> 00:37:53.449
time. It was only $300. $300, yeah. Okay, so

00:37:53.449 --> 00:37:56.889
if my math's correct, we've had two fives on

00:37:56.889 --> 00:38:00.699
the show. Let's keep the ball rolling to another

00:38:00.699 --> 00:38:03.760
five, right, Mitchell? Uh -oh. Uh -oh. I'm so

00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.880
excited for this. I cannot wait to tell you the

00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.880
actual rating of this movie. It is, of course,

00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:13.679
the classic from 2018 from director Ann Debra

00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.199
Fishman, Swiped. Okay? This is not a gritty origin

00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.139
story for Dora the Explorer's villain, though

00:38:21.139 --> 00:38:24.079
I wish it was. Swiper goes swiping. This is a

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.360
movie about dating apps. And more so about how

00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.860
young people are so addicted to their phones.

00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.559
And the message is oh so heavy handed. I hate

00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.639
this movie so much. Who's ready for a little

00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.280
synopsis? Because I wrote 700 words worth of

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:46.360
notes. I'm looking it up on IMTV because I've

00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.260
never heard of this movie. I'm not looking it

00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:52.489
up. Please enlighten me. Just to gauge the temperature

00:38:52.489 --> 00:38:54.989
in the room, I believe all of us who are in couples,

00:38:55.150 --> 00:38:58.349
we have met our significant others via social

00:38:58.349 --> 00:39:02.010
media, or via apps, via dating apps. There are

00:39:02.010 --> 00:39:04.670
three couples on this call. Two of them are from

00:39:04.670 --> 00:39:06.150
Hinge, and one of them are from Coffee Meets

00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:09.329
Bagel. Coffee Meets Bagel! Let's go! You can

00:39:09.329 --> 00:39:12.610
all attest to the actual benefit of dating apps

00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:14.730
and what they can lead to. Actual good things

00:39:14.730 --> 00:39:16.650
and more than just hookups. Can I just go back

00:39:16.650 --> 00:39:19.269
and say, when Claire and I met, Hinge wasn't

00:39:19.269 --> 00:39:24.809
a thing. That's how old I am. I used Coffee Meets

00:39:24.809 --> 00:39:26.829
Bagel before you had to, because I think now

00:39:26.829 --> 00:39:28.449
it's all fee -based, because I used it in like

00:39:28.449 --> 00:39:31.130
2016. I haven't used it since. Really, it's all

00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:33.289
fee -based. Interesting. Yeah, I haven't used

00:39:33.289 --> 00:39:37.309
it since 2015, 2016. 2016, yeah. Yeah, I haven't

00:39:37.309 --> 00:39:40.650
used it since like earlier 2020, you know. Sorry,

00:39:40.690 --> 00:39:43.989
Mitchell, back to it. No, it's all good. So we

00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:46.829
are just going through basically how dating apps

00:39:46.829 --> 00:39:49.300
can be good, but the premise of this movie is

00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:52.239
that dating apps are bad and they're mainly bad

00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.880
because they are created by men to hook up with

00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.360
women okay that is the jumping off point for

00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.179
this movie keep in mind this came out in 2018

00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:03.599
so i think the stigma of dating apps probably

00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.280
has faded away at this point so even the premise

00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.699
felt very dated but that's only surfaced because

00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:13.480
oh my god the acting It's just horrendous. And

00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.400
not to say that the script was any good either,

00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:19.380
no matter, you know, you could have had the best

00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.400
actors of all time. You could have Daniel Day

00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.039
-Lewis, Olivier, all saying these words and you

00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.380
would sound like shit the entire time. But there

00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:30.360
was one standout and it is a young man named

00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.119
Noah Centineo who is actually into All the Boys

00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.300
I've Loved Before. I've never seen that. But

00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:38.719
this guy, the only dude who seemed like his character

00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.730
and was not speaking words. and actually acting

00:40:42.730 --> 00:40:46.030
very well. Was he in other things? What was that?

00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:47.949
Well, I was going to say, was he in other things?

00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:50.590
No, my hand was really because Andre was making

00:40:50.590 --> 00:40:54.269
noise over there. I apologize. Yeah, my computer

00:40:54.269 --> 00:40:56.130
just wanted to update everything all at the same

00:40:56.130 --> 00:40:59.789
time. I apologize. You're good. Was Noah in other

00:40:59.789 --> 00:41:04.389
things? He has been. Yes. Yeah, so he's been

00:41:04.389 --> 00:41:06.349
in The Perfect Dig. He's been in a ton of movies.

00:41:06.369 --> 00:41:08.250
He's actually going to be He -Man in the upcoming

00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:12.849
Masters of the Universe. What? Hold on. Why are

00:41:12.849 --> 00:41:17.070
they remaking that classic with Frank Langella

00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:21.949
and... Because it's a reboot culture, man. Reboot

00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:24.530
culture. I am actually on board for a He -Man

00:41:24.530 --> 00:41:30.070
reboot. 100%. The universe is so fantastic. Anyway,

00:41:30.110 --> 00:41:32.610
we're getting away from the top to get him. Keep

00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:35.610
going. He's the only actor and his IMDb proves

00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:38.690
that he is getting more work despite having this

00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:41.019
movie on there. OK, so let's start with this.

00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.780
James is a freshman computer science major. And

00:41:43.780 --> 00:41:46.039
guys, he's been coding since he was seven years

00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.760
old. So, you know, this guy's wicked smart, wicked

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.179
smart, wicked smart, knows how to code. But the

00:41:52.179 --> 00:41:55.440
thing is, he actually isn't very sociable. He

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.659
doesn't have a lot of friends. And if you cut,

00:41:57.820 --> 00:42:02.179
he's so. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Are you telling

00:42:02.179 --> 00:42:05.860
me that a young programmer is not. Is it having

00:42:05.860 --> 00:42:07.980
trouble making friends? Somebody has trouble

00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:10.219
making friends, but Andre, the worst part is

00:42:10.219 --> 00:42:13.159
they cast a guy who is tall and pretty good -looking,

00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:15.380
and you're asking me to believe that this guy

00:42:15.380 --> 00:42:20.780
can't make friends? You better be good at video

00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.300
games, because if he doesn't touch a single video

00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:26.659
game in the movie, then I don't buy it. I can

00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:28.880
also say this guy is also not good at acting,

00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:31.320
which is another reason why I don't buy it. Moving

00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.389
on. Moving on to Lance Black, who is actually

00:42:36.389 --> 00:42:38.590
played by Noah Centineo, as I mentioned before,

00:42:38.710 --> 00:42:41.010
who I actually thought did a really good job.

00:42:41.170 --> 00:42:43.789
He is James' roommate. He is the conventional

00:42:43.789 --> 00:42:46.690
cool guy. We meet him after he hooks up with

00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:48.789
the girl in the dorm room. They're freshmen,

00:42:48.909 --> 00:42:51.909
by the way, so this guy is already laying pipe

00:42:51.909 --> 00:42:55.650
on the first day of school. So you know this

00:42:55.650 --> 00:42:58.889
guy is so sick and all the girls love him. But

00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:03.309
the thing is, he is also a womanizer. Oh, no.

00:43:03.710 --> 00:43:08.550
What? It's like itch. The best part is, he's

00:43:08.550 --> 00:43:11.829
so cool that he's a computer science major. but

00:43:11.829 --> 00:43:14.710
he's completely apathetic when it comes to actually

00:43:14.710 --> 00:43:17.230
doing computer science. He wants to create the

00:43:17.230 --> 00:43:19.969
next great dating app, but he's going to have

00:43:19.969 --> 00:43:22.590
his roommate James do it for him. Oh, by the

00:43:22.590 --> 00:43:26.969
way, Mr. Lance Black calls dating apps mating

00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:30.090
apps. So if you want to know where his head is.

00:43:30.329 --> 00:43:33.309
Oh, yeah. So it's like the social network, but

00:43:33.309 --> 00:43:36.509
with... This is the dumb social network. And

00:43:36.509 --> 00:43:39.230
also, is he the quote -unquote ideas guy? Is

00:43:39.230 --> 00:43:41.130
he basically like, I'll come up with the ideas

00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:44.269
and you code everything? Yeah, there's actually

00:43:44.269 --> 00:43:46.789
a great scene where James kind of throws his

00:43:46.789 --> 00:43:48.170
arms in the air and says, I'm not going to code

00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:51.510
this thing. And then Lance happens upon all of

00:43:51.510 --> 00:43:53.329
his coding notes. He's just like, fine, I'll

00:43:53.329 --> 00:43:55.489
do it myself. And then he looks at it. This is

00:43:55.489 --> 00:43:57.070
probably the only truthful part of the movie.

00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.460
And he's like, okay, we need to get him back.

00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:04.539
We need to stop shitting on the ideas guy because

00:44:04.539 --> 00:44:09.099
I am the ideas guy. I love shitting on the ideas

00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:13.119
guy. No, don't shit on me. If you're going to

00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.840
be the ideas guy, at least know the basics of

00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.260
the tools that you're going to use. It looks

00:44:18.260 --> 00:44:20.980
like Lance does not care at all. He just wants

00:44:20.980 --> 00:44:24.159
to be the next guy to create the next dating

00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:27.289
app. ultimately wants to use it for himself to

00:44:27.289 --> 00:44:29.610
hook up with girls because the premise for him

00:44:29.610 --> 00:44:32.329
is that all the current dating apps, they add

00:44:32.329 --> 00:44:35.829
too much information. What? Yeah, here's the

00:44:35.829 --> 00:44:37.889
thing. Girls want to know your name. They want

00:44:37.889 --> 00:44:40.929
to know where you're from. How dare I? I know,

00:44:40.969 --> 00:44:44.269
how dare I? So his whole thing is, let's make

00:44:44.269 --> 00:44:46.989
an app, we're going to call it The Jungle, and

00:44:46.989 --> 00:44:50.130
it is just a swiping basis. You only see photos,

00:44:50.369 --> 00:44:53.869
you swipe, and there's a... code of conduct that

00:44:53.869 --> 00:44:56.090
you have to adhere by, and part of that code

00:44:56.090 --> 00:44:58.369
of conduct, quote -unquote, is not revealing

00:44:58.369 --> 00:45:01.090
your name or any personal information. This entire

00:45:01.090 --> 00:45:03.550
thing is just to get in the sack with someone.

00:45:03.750 --> 00:45:07.230
It is disgusting. So this is Tinder, but just

00:45:07.230 --> 00:45:13.170
way more seedy, and Upton Sinclair is probably

00:45:13.170 --> 00:45:15.610
rolling in his grave because they named it The

00:45:15.610 --> 00:45:21.590
Jungle. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I think Upton Sinclair...

00:45:22.030 --> 00:45:24.230
Upton Sinclair has two reasons to be upset over

00:45:24.230 --> 00:45:26.670
the movies that I have, or maybe not upset, because

00:45:26.670 --> 00:45:30.150
Bill Nye as a science guy played him in Mank,

00:45:30.269 --> 00:45:32.449
which I think he was probably happy about, as

00:45:32.449 --> 00:45:35.909
everyone was. And then here he is, yeah, the

00:45:35.909 --> 00:45:40.150
namesake of his book. Sorry to derail, I just

00:45:40.150 --> 00:45:41.550
looked up Kendall Sanders, the guy who's playing

00:45:41.550 --> 00:45:45.210
the hacker, right? This guy's way too hot, what

00:45:45.210 --> 00:45:50.519
the fuck? He's too handsome. And is this movie

00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:58.559
set in 2018 or is it at least set in 2011? If

00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.440
anything, I mean, I have the whole note about

00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.719
how I know it's a low -production movie, but

00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.340
everything that the script is saying makes it

00:46:07.340 --> 00:46:10.599
look like it's modern day, so 2018. So because

00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.639
they mention the other apps, not by name, but

00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.929
they say those other apps. are doing all these

00:46:14.929 --> 00:46:17.269
different things. So there's already, you know,

00:46:17.269 --> 00:46:20.469
an environment with Tinder and Coffee Meets Bagel

00:46:20.469 --> 00:46:23.369
and all that. So anyway, the whole thing stops

00:46:23.369 --> 00:46:27.750
or, like, hits a turning point when James, the

00:46:27.750 --> 00:46:30.730
coder, his mom actually starts using the app.

00:46:30.829 --> 00:46:32.969
This thing is a huge success. It comes off campus

00:46:32.969 --> 00:46:35.610
pretty quickly, and then suddenly middle -aged

00:46:35.610 --> 00:46:38.309
people are now using it. That's all of them.

00:46:38.630 --> 00:46:41.530
I know. His mom is single, recently divorced.

00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.059
The dad's in the picture in the movie, by the

00:46:44.059 --> 00:46:48.199
way. And the mom is played by the mother who

00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.219
is in Good Luck Charlie. For whoever has seen

00:46:51.219 --> 00:46:54.119
that Disney Channel series, I've seen it because

00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.440
my siblings were watching it. I think all of

00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.280
us were a little bit too old when that premiered.

00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.579
But I recognized her, and I couldn't put my finger

00:47:00.579 --> 00:47:03.460
on it until I looked on IMDb. So she's in it

00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:06.840
delivering great Disney Channel -level acting.

00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:11.940
And she goes on a date on this app. Her son is

00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:14.420
petrified. Like, oh, my God, this happens for

00:47:14.420 --> 00:47:16.739
monsters who just want to hook up with people.

00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.179
I don't want this to happen to my mom. So as

00:47:19.179 --> 00:47:22.420
one does, he brings his dad, his sister, her

00:47:22.420 --> 00:47:27.019
sister's friend, and then himself over to the

00:47:27.019 --> 00:47:28.980
mall where this date is happening. And they kind

00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:30.760
of spy on them to make sure nothing happens.

00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:33.739
Of course, the date turns out bad. And James

00:47:33.739 --> 00:47:36.480
is like, oh, phew, I don't have to worry about

00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.099
this with my mom this time. But this could be

00:47:39.099 --> 00:47:41.099
a problem if she continues to use the app. So

00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:43.659
what he does, because, Andre, you know, this

00:47:43.659 --> 00:47:46.780
is very possible. Not only does he shut down

00:47:46.780 --> 00:47:49.519
the app that he has made, the Jungle, he also

00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.699
goes down to shut down every other social media,

00:47:52.940 --> 00:47:56.239
or excuse me, dating app that is out there in

00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.960
the marketplace. So Tinder goes down. Red button.

00:47:59.019 --> 00:48:01.440
It just all goes dark. What? Yeah, it's amazing.

00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.039
Hit the button, bro. Yeah. Hit the button. I

00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.760
have it in my basement, actually. I just haven't

00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.110
hit it yet. He does this in the span of 30 seconds.

00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:10.969
Like, he's doing it in a panic, and his mom's

00:48:10.969 --> 00:48:12.550
like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm fixing

00:48:12.550 --> 00:48:14.510
the problem. And it's just like, okay, dude.

00:48:14.710 --> 00:48:17.170
And then suddenly everyone at the bar. By the

00:48:17.170 --> 00:48:19.170
way, if you're at a bar, you're not updating

00:48:19.170 --> 00:48:21.909
your dating app, right? Like, you're actually

00:48:21.909 --> 00:48:23.570
going to be interacting with other people at

00:48:23.570 --> 00:48:26.150
that point. Actually, it depends on who you're

00:48:26.150 --> 00:48:28.190
with at the bar. If you were with your gal pals,

00:48:28.590 --> 00:48:31.130
you're probably either updating it because your

00:48:31.130 --> 00:48:33.340
friends are like, you ask them a question. I'll

00:48:33.340 --> 00:48:36.639
use OKCupid with their crazy algorithm quiz thing.

00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:40.400
Or my personal favorite was, I'll swipe for you

00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:44.280
if you swipe for me. Gotcha. So by this, I mean

00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.159
the jungle. And people were already on the app

00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.039
while they were on their current dates. So this

00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:54.500
is how fucked up the characters are. Anyway,

00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:56.199
at least they know what they're playing with.

00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.500
So, oh, did I mention who James' love interest

00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:03.690
is? He's 11 years old? Of course. She is a beautiful

00:49:03.690 --> 00:49:07.889
girl next door. Her name is Hannah. And through

00:49:07.889 --> 00:49:12.070
one of the biggest exposition... examples of

00:49:12.070 --> 00:49:14.630
dialogue that i've ever seen in my life they

00:49:14.630 --> 00:49:17.349
introduced her as a freshman at this college

00:49:17.349 --> 00:49:20.769
and james walks up to her and he's like hannah

00:49:20.769 --> 00:49:25.130
hannah remember me i'm james and they go on to

00:49:25.130 --> 00:49:27.349
have the uh lay down the foundation of where

00:49:27.349 --> 00:49:29.610
their relationship is at as if these people don't

00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:31.829
know each other at all and he's like oh i am

00:49:31.829 --> 00:49:35.449
so sorry for serenading you at senior prom i

00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:38.440
know that you're humiliated by that And she's

00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:40.860
just like, yeah, I was really embarrassed. And

00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:44.480
by the way, yes, anyone, that was the most real

00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.760
response you could have. Yeah, I was really embarrassed

00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:48.360
by that, dude. That's why I'm not talking to

00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.739
you. That was awful. Why'd you put me on the

00:49:50.739 --> 00:49:54.099
spot? And then what's funny is they bring up

00:49:54.099 --> 00:49:55.980
later in the movie, James approaches Hannah,

00:49:56.019 --> 00:49:58.739
completely different conversation. And he's just

00:49:58.739 --> 00:50:01.380
like, you know, Hannah, I was thinking, why are

00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:04.909
you so shy? And then I thought to myself. At

00:50:04.909 --> 00:50:07.110
what point was it introduced that she was shy?

00:50:07.289 --> 00:50:10.030
And then I thought, oh, shit, he's talking about

00:50:10.030 --> 00:50:14.150
the prom situation and how she reacted. And that's

00:50:14.150 --> 00:50:16.769
to say that, oh, the way you reacted isn't a

00:50:16.769 --> 00:50:18.730
normal thing. It's because of something else.

00:50:18.989 --> 00:50:21.650
And what the fucked up part is, the movie does

00:50:21.650 --> 00:50:24.789
give her another reason. It's because she had

00:50:24.789 --> 00:50:27.440
a stutter when she was younger. And she's super

00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.619
shy of big crowds, even though she doesn't have

00:50:30.619 --> 00:50:33.659
a stutter anymore. She doesn't attempt one, which

00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:35.159
is fine, by the way. That probably would have

00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:40.840
been awful. Oh, my God. Let her have a legitimate

00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.320
human reaction to being serenaded at senior prom.

00:50:44.380 --> 00:50:46.380
There doesn't have to be this whole back story

00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:50.119
as to like some childhood trauma as to why she

00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.539
had this random dude singing to her in front

00:50:52.539 --> 00:50:55.519
of the entire school. I don't know. I'm just

00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.840
throwing it out there. Well, it's because they

00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.699
clearly couldn't have her be annoyed or concerned

00:51:01.699 --> 00:51:04.659
or freaked out. It had to be a very simple reason

00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:07.699
of, I just, I had a stutter and it's embarrassing

00:51:07.699 --> 00:51:11.599
and it's not you, it's me. Exactly. And oh my

00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.719
goodness, Hannah delivers, actually, no, I'm

00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.960
looking at it. Yeah, one of my favorite lines.

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.820
I'll get there in a second. So just to finish

00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:24.320
the plot synopsis, after he shuts down the app,

00:51:24.750 --> 00:51:26.570
James decides, you know what, I'm going to make

00:51:26.570 --> 00:51:28.690
a better version of this thing where it's not

00:51:28.690 --> 00:51:32.530
about not so much the male gaze and just trying

00:51:32.530 --> 00:51:35.550
to hook up with other people, but now it's going

00:51:35.550 --> 00:51:38.329
to be more about what women want and all that

00:51:38.329 --> 00:51:40.630
kind of stuff. So in his mind, he feels like

00:51:40.630 --> 00:51:43.369
he's heading towards something good. So what

00:51:43.369 --> 00:51:45.510
he does is he leaves his dorm, getting away from

00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:47.849
the guys, and Hannah and him at this point are

00:51:47.849 --> 00:51:50.360
at a good point. spot in their relationship he's

00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.920
like yo can i crash at your place and her place

00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.119
is the apparently one sorority house in this

00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.780
entire college because every woman character

00:51:58.780 --> 00:52:02.400
that we have met so far in this movie all lives

00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.199
in this sorority house hashtag convenience so

00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.559
his whole thing is i'm now living in this house

00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:12.320
and i'm gonna study the women it sounds weird

00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.340
but he does say that and they basically he's

00:52:15.340 --> 00:52:18.280
like based on these interactions of uh Asking

00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.179
them questions, I'll know how to build a better

00:52:20.179 --> 00:52:24.239
app. And after all of this, I get one of my all

00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.000
-time favorite line readings, where he's just

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:27.519
like, you know what, I think I'm going to call

00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.820
it Eve, to which one of the sorority sisters

00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:33.579
says, Eve, oh, like the first woman. And it's

00:52:33.579 --> 00:52:36.940
just like, yeah, no shit. We didn't mean that.

00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.159
I wonder if she's like a philosophy major or

00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.639
something. Dude, it was totally based on the

00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:52.940
robot and WALL -E. Or the biblical character,

00:52:53.260 --> 00:52:55.860
luckily our friend in the sorority house told

00:52:55.860 --> 00:53:00.360
us the difference. And then when he's, so in

00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.739
that same conversation, he's like, oh, Eva, that's

00:53:02.739 --> 00:53:04.360
who I'm going to call. And he starts asking everyone,

00:53:04.539 --> 00:53:06.320
oh, what do you want to see in this app? And

00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.280
then he finally goes to Hannah, who's just quietly

00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.739
in the corner reading a book. And then she looks

00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:12.789
over and says, you know what, James? I don't

00:53:12.789 --> 00:53:15.050
think a nap is the proper solution for relationships.

00:53:15.550 --> 00:53:17.630
I don't know. Maybe I was just born in the wrong

00:53:17.630 --> 00:53:21.309
century. Which, by the way, is this movie's version

00:53:21.309 --> 00:53:24.289
of I'm not like other girls. And it's just like,

00:53:24.389 --> 00:53:27.190
what the fuck? Like, this is the way that you're

00:53:27.190 --> 00:53:30.769
going to distinguish your main female character?

00:53:31.230 --> 00:53:34.110
So she writes letters with a feather pen and

00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:37.789
doesn't have a cell phone. She's a pager. Here's

00:53:37.789 --> 00:53:41.090
a boombox. Oh, yeah. Walkman. Yeah, that's better.

00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:44.599
So there's literally a cock in the hen house

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:49.019
figuring out what women want. Yes. Who has very

00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:53.119
limited experience around said women. Yes. Creating

00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.599
a product named Eve, even though Eve Online is

00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:00.980
already a thing. And as a shut -in who probably

00:54:00.980 --> 00:54:05.360
likes video games, he should know better. Hey,

00:54:05.380 --> 00:54:07.539
Jill, luckily he actually doesn't go through

00:54:07.539 --> 00:54:10.710
with Eve because how the movie ends. After toying

00:54:10.710 --> 00:54:12.889
with the app a little bit more, he becomes Mel

00:54:12.889 --> 00:54:16.849
Gibson in What Women Want. He realizes that Hannah

00:54:16.849 --> 00:54:19.309
was right, and he comes downstairs. The entire

00:54:19.309 --> 00:54:21.949
sorority is there for his quote -unquote app

00:54:21.949 --> 00:54:25.150
presentation, and he gives this long and awful

00:54:25.150 --> 00:54:30.230
speech that ends with, I can't create the app

00:54:30.230 --> 00:54:36.929
because you are the app. No. Wow. Guys, this

00:54:36.929 --> 00:54:39.800
is... They were trying so hard to make this We

00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.940
Are Groot, and it is the worst thing about it.

00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.380
He's saying, you, the women, need to take the

00:54:48.380 --> 00:54:51.659
power back in dating and relationship dynamics

00:54:51.659 --> 00:54:55.480
and stop leaving the apps to these coders who

00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:57.380
are primarily male who are trying to hook up

00:54:57.380 --> 00:54:59.559
with you. Oh, so it's our fault? Oh, it's the

00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.500
coders. No, no, no, no, no. It's the coders'

00:55:01.579 --> 00:55:04.699
fault. It's everyone's fault. We're all together

00:55:04.699 --> 00:55:08.809
in this. Oh, by the way, Hannah goes on to kiss

00:55:08.809 --> 00:55:13.789
James after James comes back. After this piece

00:55:13.789 --> 00:55:15.429
of dialogue, there's another scene. They come

00:55:15.429 --> 00:55:17.250
back to sorority house. He professes his love

00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:20.329
to her. Not in front of the entire school, like

00:55:20.329 --> 00:55:22.130
at senior prom, but this time just in front of

00:55:22.130 --> 00:55:24.769
the entire sorority. Somehow she's now cool with

00:55:24.769 --> 00:55:27.130
this. And all the sorority sisters are like,

00:55:27.230 --> 00:55:30.409
oh, Hannah, you should kiss him before I do.

00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:33.289
And it's just like, what the fuck? So they kiss.

00:55:33.469 --> 00:55:37.079
And that puts the bow on his storyline. And then

00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.260
going back to Lance, our resident douchebag.

00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:42.300
I was wondering what happened to Lance. So Lance

00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:45.099
this entire time, by the way, is basically chasing

00:55:45.099 --> 00:55:47.840
James around, trying to get him to. So he's the

00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:49.719
Winklevoss twins, right? So he's just trying

00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.239
to get James to make this app for him. And he's

00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.119
pulling all these different stunts to get at

00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.280
him, including he calls his dad's publicist.

00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.219
This movie's set in L .A., by the way, so he

00:56:00.219 --> 00:56:02.519
has a powerful dad. And the publicist is able

00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.650
to get a live radio read. proclaiming James as

00:56:06.650 --> 00:56:09.409
the creator of the Jungle app, which has gotten

00:56:09.409 --> 00:56:12.369
a terrible reputation around town. I wonder why.

00:56:12.769 --> 00:56:15.289
I wonder why. And this whole thing about that,

00:56:15.349 --> 00:56:17.170
I'm not going to get into it. It works out fine

00:56:17.170 --> 00:56:21.070
for him in the end. But Lance, his story ends

00:56:21.070 --> 00:56:23.670
by him realizing, you know what, I don't want

00:56:23.670 --> 00:56:26.369
to be a CS major. I want to be a business major.

00:56:26.590 --> 00:56:29.070
It's just like, yeah, no fucking shit. And then

00:56:29.070 --> 00:56:31.710
he goes on to say to his boys, you know what,

00:56:31.769 --> 00:56:34.940
that Rachel girl, who we had met, In this movie,

00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.659
by the way, who is kind of portrayed as the local

00:56:37.659 --> 00:56:40.800
slut, he's just like, I really like her, and

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.440
I want to ask her out on a real date. And that's

00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.940
what he does. He goes to the sorority house.

00:56:45.219 --> 00:56:48.199
He asks her on a date, and she turns him down.

00:56:48.460 --> 00:56:51.519
Good for her. And he continues to walk her to

00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.619
class as they flirt. And that's it. And he does

00:56:54.619 --> 00:56:57.179
it in person, not over the phone, which is Anne

00:56:57.179 --> 00:56:59.960
Deborah Fishman's point in directing this movie.

00:57:00.139 --> 00:57:05.610
And that is 2018 Swiped. Wow. I feel like he

00:57:05.610 --> 00:57:09.570
should have been catfished. Yeah. I'm surprised

00:57:09.570 --> 00:57:12.389
there wasn't a catfishing plot here. And what

00:57:12.389 --> 00:57:15.449
about the mom? Did she find happiness? I also

00:57:15.449 --> 00:57:18.110
feel like this movie should have... I got the

00:57:18.110 --> 00:57:22.170
mom for you. So after the date, the jungle date,

00:57:22.309 --> 00:57:26.730
because as you remember, the dad... was also

00:57:26.730 --> 00:57:29.869
spying with James on this date to make sure everything

00:57:29.869 --> 00:57:32.869
was okay. And they have this moment later, the

00:57:32.869 --> 00:57:34.389
mom and dad come back together, and he's just

00:57:34.389 --> 00:57:36.570
like, you know what? I saw you on that date,

00:57:36.610 --> 00:57:41.230
and I realized, wow, how wrong I was. I don't

00:57:41.230 --> 00:57:43.769
want to lose you. And of course, they get back

00:57:43.769 --> 00:57:45.909
together. So it's just like, here you go. Jesus

00:57:45.909 --> 00:57:50.710
Christ. This movie, from how you were describing

00:57:50.710 --> 00:57:53.030
it, I really thought it was going to go the avenue

00:57:53.030 --> 00:57:56.150
of Cyrano de Bergerac, if you've ever seen that

00:57:56.150 --> 00:58:00.329
play. Basically, it's the trope of the guy who's

00:58:00.329 --> 00:58:02.210
not quite good -looking writing letters to a

00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:05.110
very beautiful woman, and then there's the puppet

00:58:05.110 --> 00:58:09.630
guy who either is in on it, he knows that it's

00:58:09.630 --> 00:58:13.550
not genuine, or he's very blissfully unaware

00:58:13.550 --> 00:58:16.050
that the guy writing the love letters is actually

00:58:16.050 --> 00:58:18.500
into the woman. So that's where I thought that

00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:20.500
this was going, was that, like, oh, James is,

00:58:20.579 --> 00:58:22.800
like, I don't really believe in this, so he has,

00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:25.199
like, on the side, maybe he's writing a lady

00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.679
letters, but then he also has the dating app

00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:33.219
persona. There's also a good Cyrano de Bergerac

00:58:33.219 --> 00:58:36.920
movie that I believe is called Roxanne, and it's

00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:41.320
with Steve Martin as Cyrano. Really? He has,

00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.719
like, a prosthetic nose, and that's what's wrong

00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.699
with him. That's typical for Cyrano. The play

00:58:47.699 --> 00:58:51.159
is that he has a very ridiculous nose. It's very

00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.679
comedic, and the love interest is Roxanne. That's

00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.900
why it's called Roxanne. But I highly recommend

00:58:56.900 --> 00:58:58.699
that. But yes, I could have seen it going that

00:58:58.699 --> 00:59:01.940
way as well. Oh no, this movie's way too dumb

00:59:01.940 --> 00:59:07.219
to actually draw from legitimate art. Can I tell

00:59:07.219 --> 00:59:10.519
you guys the list of reasons why I know this

00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.079
was a low -budget movie? Go on. Sometimes it's

00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.059
not about how you end it, it's how you start

00:59:17.059 --> 00:59:19.780
it. And how this movie starts is the opening

00:59:19.780 --> 00:59:21.820
credit sequence, which looks like it was made

00:59:21.820 --> 00:59:23.480
on Adobe After Effects. And don't get me wrong,

00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.639
I love After Effects. But this looks like it

00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:28.380
was someone's very first Adobe After Effects

00:59:28.380 --> 00:59:30.659
project, where you got like an animated finger

00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:33.380
coming up and swiping right on people's names.

00:59:33.539 --> 00:59:36.420
It's very slow, meticulous. The motion looks

00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:40.320
so... rigid it's awful so i'm like oh wow this

00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.880
is this movie is telling me exactly the quality

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.500
that it's going to present to me for the next

00:59:44.500 --> 00:59:47.179
90 minutes so i did appreciate that a little

00:59:47.179 --> 00:59:49.320
bit but i also knew it was low budget the next

00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.119
thing the imdb page for the director sorry to

00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:56.719
interrupt you yes i did and it's um very sad

00:59:56.719 --> 01:00:00.000
i'm looking at it too right now right i'm looking

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.019
at it hey mike you know how we got a lot of props

01:00:03.019 --> 01:00:05.059
from the director of the last bad movie we um

01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:07.619
Andre, did you watch it? What was the movie called?

01:00:07.900 --> 01:00:12.119
No, it was Kilosova. Jill watched it, yeah. And

01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.679
Debra Fishman, I doubt, is going to give us the

01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:17.920
same love and affection. You never know. You

01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.159
never know. I'm getting the shit out of this

01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.000
movie right now, so I would give her a lot of

01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.380
props. I want to know point number two, why this

01:00:24.380 --> 01:00:27.619
is a low -budget movie. Oh, yes. The notification

01:00:27.619 --> 01:00:32.099
for getting a swipe in Jungle is just the airdrop

01:00:32.099 --> 01:00:34.900
sound that you hear on that. So they recite a

01:00:34.900 --> 01:00:37.980
lot of those sounds. Oh, the soundtrack, by the

01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:39.980
way, yes, someone did compose the score, but

01:00:39.980 --> 01:00:44.019
they also spent a lot of time using basically

01:00:44.019 --> 01:00:47.880
copyright -free music. So, you know, the Nutcracker

01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.079
stuff because there's a Christmas scene. Oh,

01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.940
it's a Christmas movie. Yeah, suddenly. So there's

01:00:52.940 --> 01:00:54.559
all these different moments where I'm like, hey,

01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.440
I recognize that. I recognize that. It's like,

01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.340
oh, because it's all in the public domain. It's

01:00:58.340 --> 01:00:59.860
just like, okay, I get it. You want to save money

01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:03.219
on the budget. Also, the sound, the sound of

01:01:03.219 --> 01:01:06.239
the dialogue. If someone was in the sorority

01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.800
house, where this is most obvious, everyone's

01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.239
voice echoes in a very distracting way. So I

01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:14.860
think they're only using a boom mic here. When

01:01:14.860 --> 01:01:17.980
most movies, you'll do a process called ADR,

01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:20.340
where you go into a booth and you re -record

01:01:20.340 --> 01:01:22.920
your lines so they sound cleaner. And I don't

01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.880
think this movie had the post -production budget

01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.159
to do that. And unfortunately, we have a very

01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.559
distracting echo in a lot of the indoor scenes.

01:01:30.179 --> 01:01:33.940
And then also where the computer science class

01:01:33.940 --> 01:01:37.179
is set. So we get a couple scenes in the movie

01:01:37.179 --> 01:01:39.019
where they're all in class together. This is

01:01:39.019 --> 01:01:41.820
an introductory class. If anyone's been to college,

01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.360
and granted, this looks like a smaller private

01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.119
school, so it's a little bit different. Introductory

01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:49.960
classes tend to be big. There's a lot of people

01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:51.500
in there, and then eventually you weed out the

01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:54.380
folks who go on to major in other things. Anyway,

01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:57.969
this one takes in... takes place in a computer

01:01:57.969 --> 01:02:01.510
lab that is in a glorified walk -in closet it

01:02:01.510 --> 01:02:04.530
feels very uh it looks like the cinematography

01:02:04.530 --> 01:02:07.730
uh did it no favors in trying to make the room

01:02:07.730 --> 01:02:10.570
feel bigger at the very least everyone especially

01:02:10.570 --> 01:02:14.070
in a post -covid world looked awkwardly tight

01:02:14.070 --> 01:02:17.429
and sat next to each other like two inches away

01:02:17.429 --> 01:02:20.210
from each other i felt a little weird just watching

01:02:20.210 --> 01:02:24.070
it uh oh my god those are just yeah those are

01:02:24.070 --> 01:02:26.880
just some of the notes and Sometimes the quality

01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:29.579
just stands out from the technical stuff and

01:02:29.579 --> 01:02:33.539
not even the writing. What do you want to rate

01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:39.599
this monstrosity? Mike, Jill, Andre, friends

01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:45.119
of all ages, a lot of people like to call this

01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.639
the Mitchell Zero, the Gentleman's Sweep. I like

01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:54.760
to call it a half star. At the end of the day,

01:02:55.050 --> 01:02:57.469
And Debra Fishman and the rest of this cast and

01:02:57.469 --> 01:03:01.969
crew made a movie. And I admire the fact that

01:03:01.969 --> 01:03:04.829
people are able to make movies because it's an

01:03:04.829 --> 01:03:07.289
incredibly hard task, no matter the quality that

01:03:07.289 --> 01:03:10.369
you get at the end. So while most people would

01:03:10.369 --> 01:03:12.710
say zero, and if I were other people, because

01:03:12.710 --> 01:03:16.030
I'm not like other movie critics. You sound like

01:03:16.030 --> 01:03:19.730
other girls. I'm just not like other girls. I'm

01:03:19.730 --> 01:03:22.369
going to give this a half swipe out of five.

01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.579
I'm just wiping left or right, though. Left,

01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:30.739
as fast as I can. Would you rather watch this

01:03:30.739 --> 01:03:34.960
game or The Room by yourself? By yourself. Okay,

01:03:35.380 --> 01:03:38.079
so the thing about The Room, I can still laugh

01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:42.199
at it. This movie, it's not a fun hang, you know,

01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.920
because Tommy Wiseau, like, you could just, you

01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.239
could see all the scenes of him trying to make

01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:51.940
this movie, and it's comical. And in this one,

01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.440
I think Aunt Deborah Fishman knows how to piece

01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.960
together a movie and all that kind of stuff.

01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:00.019
So you lay out all the things, and yes, there

01:04:00.019 --> 01:04:03.440
are different technical aspects that rub off

01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.199
in a weird way. But at the end of the day, the

01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:09.900
messaging here is so ham -fisted and kind of

01:04:09.900 --> 01:04:11.920
condescending to people our age, and I completely

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.400
disagree with the messaging, by the way. That's

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.579
true. You know what I mean? At least with the

01:04:16.579 --> 01:04:19.420
room, I don't know what the fuck. The message

01:04:19.420 --> 01:04:22.019
I'm supposed to interpret to change every time

01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:26.659
I watch it. Oh, that's right. Yeah, he wants

01:04:26.659 --> 01:04:30.039
to make a Tennessee Williams movie. It's a botched

01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.820
love tragedy that doesn't have a condescending

01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:35.639
message, at least, to being like, wow, what if

01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.000
online dating was actually bad, though? Like,

01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:39.820
that's just so... Dude, the message... The problem

01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:42.820
with the whole thing is that it's just they made

01:04:42.820 --> 01:04:46.880
the movie 10 years too late because by 2018...

01:04:49.389 --> 01:04:51.230
think it's pretty common in the digital age that

01:04:51.230 --> 01:04:53.570
this is really the new way of dating and that

01:04:53.570 --> 01:04:55.969
the concept of just meeting going up to someone

01:04:55.969 --> 01:05:01.070
in a bar and saying doesn't it doesn't work and

01:05:01.070 --> 01:05:03.429
that this is really just this is the new normal

01:05:03.429 --> 01:05:06.869
and I'm kind of not like offended but it's just

01:05:06.869 --> 01:05:09.530
like you know don't don't hate on this because

01:05:09.530 --> 01:05:12.670
for a lot of people this really is how they meet

01:05:12.670 --> 01:05:14.690
people and I think one of the biggest and for

01:05:14.690 --> 01:05:20.090
the fact that his ring from his marriage And

01:05:20.090 --> 01:05:23.590
from a college, okay, sure, dating apps on a

01:05:23.590 --> 01:05:25.989
college campus, why do they need to do that when

01:05:25.989 --> 01:05:28.889
you're in college? But I can't even imagine them

01:05:28.889 --> 01:05:30.349
trying to make this movie and have them all be

01:05:30.349 --> 01:05:34.690
like 23, 24, 25 because one of the biggest secrets

01:05:34.690 --> 01:05:37.730
about becoming an adult is nobody told you how

01:05:37.730 --> 01:05:40.590
to make friends outside of college. Making friends

01:05:40.590 --> 01:05:56.349
in the real world is very hard. Yes, it is. I

01:05:56.349 --> 01:05:58.130
don't know what you're talking about with that.

01:06:02.289 --> 01:06:15.260
Guys! You're like my dad. The extrovert that

01:06:15.260 --> 01:06:17.699
I just latched onto, my introvert self, and he

01:06:17.699 --> 01:06:20.199
just tags me along on stuff. I did not expect

01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:22.380
this to go down this hole, but I really appreciate

01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:24.500
it. You guys are making me feel really good.

01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:29.199
Thank you. You can thank Swiped for that. Oh,

01:06:29.260 --> 01:06:33.039
Swiped. So mostly because my phone is dying,

01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.860
but also because we have a promo to include in

01:06:35.860 --> 01:06:37.460
our show. We're going to take a quick break.

01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.739
Perfect. I have to feed. Perfect. That's great.

01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:42.360
We're going to take a quick break. You're going

01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.380
to hear a promo from our friends at Film Busters.

01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:47.659
Great podcast that follows us on Twitter. Also,

01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:49.559
I just want to give a shout out just because

01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:51.780
you reminded me of this, dating apps and everything

01:06:51.780 --> 01:06:53.659
like that. There's another show called You Should

01:06:53.659 --> 01:06:55.800
Have Ghosted. They're our friends. They are in

01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:58.900
Connecticut as well. Fantastic podcast. They're

01:06:58.900 --> 01:07:02.699
all about the downside of online dating. Lots

01:07:02.699 --> 01:07:05.960
of true crime in online dating. They are a blast.

01:07:06.340 --> 01:07:09.159
Love them to death. Shout out to them. Here's

01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.579
a promo from our friends at Film Busters, which

01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:14.559
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01:07:25.590 --> 01:07:27.349
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01:07:27.670 --> 01:07:29.650
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01:07:29.650 --> 01:07:32.190
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01:07:44.849 --> 01:07:48.210
Oh, come on. How can it not? That was so interesting.

01:07:48.449 --> 01:07:50.789
I didn't care for shit. It's one of the worst

01:07:50.789 --> 01:07:52.769
I've seen this year. But I think it's a great

01:07:52.769 --> 01:07:56.030
study on mental health. It's great. And give

01:07:56.030 --> 01:07:58.630
Joaquin that Oscar. Give it to him. Well, there

01:07:58.630 --> 01:08:00.710
might be someone else. There might be, but give

01:08:00.710 --> 01:08:02.429
it to him. Just give him an extra one. Wait a

01:08:02.429 --> 01:08:04.889
minute. Did you say you shed a tear? Yeah. Oh,

01:08:05.010 --> 01:08:07.570
victory, victory. Sweet victory. At the very

01:08:07.570 --> 01:08:10.809
end. I was actually handing an olive branch.

01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.219
but then you could not accept it. That's right.

01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.520
Bullshit. I'm sorry. It's an empty shell of a

01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:18.859
film. This film, I can't see anyone who'd enjoy

01:08:18.859 --> 01:08:20.500
it. I don't even know who it's for. I think it's

01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:22.619
probably even meant to be for us. And like, if

01:08:22.619 --> 01:08:24.260
we're not finding it good, who's finding it good?

01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:26.920
Well, that's fucking cinema, man. Film Busters.

01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:37.989
We're ready to enlighten you. Thank you to our

01:08:37.989 --> 01:08:40.689
friends at Film Busters for their promo there.

01:08:40.850 --> 01:08:44.770
Go check them out. They are pretty awesome. Highly

01:08:44.770 --> 01:08:46.829
suggest after you're done listening to us, of

01:08:46.829 --> 01:08:52.369
course. Mike, by the way, thanks for the warning.

01:08:52.729 --> 01:08:56.470
So I spent about 20 minutes dunking on dating

01:08:56.470 --> 01:08:59.329
apps, and then you're promoting a podcast about

01:08:59.329 --> 01:09:02.659
how dating apps can kill you. It would have been

01:09:02.659 --> 01:09:04.979
nice synergy to just say, maybe I could have

01:09:04.979 --> 01:09:08.039
just lightened it a little bit, but put it back

01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.399
on it. For all of our listeners out there who

01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.140
are utilizing dating apps, be safe, be smart.

01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:18.279
If things feel a little skeevy, talk to your

01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.739
friends, talk to your family. Don't go anywhere

01:09:20.739 --> 01:09:23.579
without telling people where you are going. And

01:09:23.579 --> 01:09:26.579
come up with some escape routes if necessary.

01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:35.470
Be smart. I fail to see the problem. So that

01:09:35.470 --> 01:09:37.649
jumps into our next thing, which was kind of

01:09:37.649 --> 01:09:42.710
skeevy. Yes, transitions, they're great. We're

01:09:42.710 --> 01:09:45.289
going to talk about a movie we've all seen, just

01:09:45.289 --> 01:09:48.090
to kind of close up the show, and our thoughts

01:09:48.090 --> 01:09:50.090
on it, because we have individual thoughts on

01:09:50.090 --> 01:09:57.590
it. Wonder Woman 1984. It was a film. It happened.

01:09:57.789 --> 01:10:01.859
It is a film. They released it on HBO Max. That

01:10:01.859 --> 01:10:04.239
is the one thing I got going for it, that on

01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.479
Christmas Day you could watch it on HBO Max versus

01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:10.239
going to a theater. That's about where it ends.

01:10:11.539 --> 01:10:14.039
Is this a spoilers or no spoilers discussion?

01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:15.880
I think we should blow shit out of this, I feel

01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.039
like. Yeah, spoiler alert. Spoiler warning for

01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:21.579
those of you who have not seen Wonder Woman 1984

01:10:21.579 --> 01:10:24.619
either at home on HBO or in theaters. I don't

01:10:24.619 --> 01:10:27.699
recommend it, but whatever. All right, way to

01:10:27.699 --> 01:10:31.420
bury the lead. Just saying, if you have any interest

01:10:31.420 --> 01:10:33.260
in seeing this film, please stop the podcast

01:10:33.260 --> 01:10:36.819
here or regroup at the end. Perhaps Mike will

01:10:36.819 --> 01:10:39.140
put a timestamp in, but we are about to discuss

01:10:39.140 --> 01:10:42.500
spoilers. Probably not putting a timestamp in.

01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.420
I'm not good enough at that. Never mind. You've

01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:49.220
informed everybody. You have way too much confidence

01:10:49.220 --> 01:10:53.800
in my skills here. Yeah, so we're going to talk

01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:56.859
about Wonder Woman 84. It is the 9th as we are

01:10:56.859 --> 01:10:59.060
recording this, so you had since Christmas if

01:10:59.060 --> 01:11:01.100
you are still listening and haven't seen it yet.

01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:05.479
But yes, agreed. Skip the rest of this podcast

01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:06.960
probably because all we're really going to do

01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:09.260
is close it up after this. So just skip the rest

01:11:09.260 --> 01:11:12.460
of the podcast. You're right, Joe. So Wonder

01:11:12.460 --> 01:11:16.619
Woman 1984 is a film sequel to Wonder Woman that

01:11:16.619 --> 01:11:23.090
came out 2016? 2017? I think it's 2017. Best

01:11:23.090 --> 01:11:26.170
movie at the time. The best movie in the DC Universe.

01:11:26.449 --> 01:11:29.989
It still remains at the top of my DCEU list.

01:11:30.689 --> 01:11:34.329
Same with me. I would agree. I think I need to

01:11:34.329 --> 01:11:36.010
re -watch the original, but it's either number

01:11:36.010 --> 01:11:39.630
one or number two behind Shazam. I really enjoyed

01:11:39.630 --> 01:11:41.670
Shazam. I think Shazam was my number three, but

01:11:41.670 --> 01:11:43.970
two and three were interchangeable because two

01:11:43.970 --> 01:11:48.210
would have been Aquaman. Aquaman? I liked Aquaman.

01:11:48.310 --> 01:11:56.739
It was goofy. 1984. We're now in 1984. Wonder

01:11:56.739 --> 01:12:00.899
Woman is a hero that's hiding. She lost her love

01:12:00.899 --> 01:12:03.279
interest, Steven Trevor, in the first movie.

01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:07.819
Pedro Pascal is in it. Kristen Wiig. Kristen

01:12:07.819 --> 01:12:11.000
Wiig plays Cheetah. Pedro Pascal plays Max Power.

01:12:11.260 --> 01:12:14.520
No. Maxwell Lord. Maxwell Lord. Thank you. I

01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.600
was like Max Power. I think that's a Simpsons

01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.079
reference. Of course, Simpsons would have been

01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.010
great. yeah right exactly I was going to say

01:12:23.010 --> 01:12:25.170
I think it's the Simpsons reference so Maxwell

01:12:25.170 --> 01:12:29.250
Lord who comes into contact with a wishing stone

01:12:29.250 --> 01:12:38.550
yeah life is good but it can be better this is

01:12:38.550 --> 01:12:43.069
the year of Pedro Pascal's hot dad yeah Pedro

01:12:43.069 --> 01:12:50.449
Pascal is hot dad every year I will say I like

01:12:50.670 --> 01:12:53.250
Pedro Pascal hamming it up. I feel like that's

01:12:53.250 --> 01:12:55.050
the only way you could take that character, the

01:12:55.050 --> 01:12:57.770
way he's written at least, right? Yeah, and I

01:12:57.770 --> 01:13:01.489
would say that his performance is fine, and in

01:13:01.489 --> 01:13:03.649
fact, with the exception of one particular character,

01:13:03.829 --> 01:13:06.829
everyone's performance is fine. It's the material

01:13:06.829 --> 01:13:10.010
that they have to work with. I won't sugarcoat

01:13:10.010 --> 01:13:13.970
it. Gal Gadot is a beautiful actress. She's a

01:13:13.970 --> 01:13:16.909
fun part of the Fast and the Furious franchise.

01:13:18.109 --> 01:13:21.800
She is not... Best actor in this movie. Wow.

01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:25.479
Okay. The movie called Wonder Woman. So I had

01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.279
no problem with gal. Christian Bale wasn't the

01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:29.819
best actor in a movie called the dark night.

01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:32.479
You know, it's just like, I think that's fine.

01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:36.020
So for me though, for me, I mean, it's one thing

01:13:36.020 --> 01:13:38.680
for it. Yeah. Totally. Let's only keep ledger.

01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:43.539
Take, take the wheel. But I mean, other than

01:13:43.539 --> 01:13:45.439
the fact that he passed away, but I feel like

01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.960
everyone knew going into the dark night that

01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:52.510
that really is the star is the Joker. Okay, so

01:13:52.510 --> 01:13:53.850
there's a difference, right? Are you talking

01:13:53.850 --> 01:13:55.729
about star or are you talking about, because

01:13:55.729 --> 01:13:57.810
I totally agree with you, this movie did not

01:13:57.810 --> 01:14:00.949
feel like a Wonder Woman movie for so much of

01:14:00.949 --> 01:14:03.409
the run time. And it's two and a half hours long.

01:14:03.649 --> 01:14:06.770
Is it more about acting or is it more about star

01:14:06.770 --> 01:14:10.909
power? It's present. A little column A, a little

01:14:10.909 --> 01:14:15.770
column B. I just, I don't, I mean, I think it's

01:14:15.770 --> 01:14:17.050
some of the material that she had to work with,

01:14:17.109 --> 01:14:21.840
but I just, Yeah. She's so blah. And she's not

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.960
given room to be better. So my opinion is that

01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.539
Gal Gadot was fine. Pedro Pascal stole it from

01:14:28.539 --> 01:14:34.859
me. 100%. My problem is Kristen Wiig. And it

01:14:34.859 --> 01:14:38.119
could be part of it's material. Part of it. Part

01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:41.420
of it is just like can we lose the nerd trope?

01:14:41.539 --> 01:14:47.079
Can we lose it? Yeah. There's like a very specific

01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:49.670
concept. comic book villain, comic movie villain

01:14:49.670 --> 01:14:52.770
trope where you have like the nerd character

01:14:52.770 --> 01:14:57.310
that adores the superhero that becomes this badass

01:14:57.310 --> 01:15:00.069
monster. It's like, it's in this movie, it's

01:15:00.069 --> 01:15:02.229
in Amazing Spider -Man 2. I'm glad you brought

01:15:02.229 --> 01:15:04.550
that up. I was going to say Jamie Foxx's Electro

01:15:04.550 --> 01:15:07.590
feels the same way. It's that exact plot line.

01:15:07.710 --> 01:15:12.270
Yeah. Catwoman, it's Poison Ivy. Yeah. Of course,

01:15:12.289 --> 01:15:15.310
you can't, because, you know, if you're a female

01:15:15.310 --> 01:15:18.180
character in a, in a movie in a comic book or

01:15:18.180 --> 01:15:20.140
superhero film you either really have one of

01:15:20.140 --> 01:15:22.960
two trajectories you can either be the hero or

01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:24.579
if you're going to be the villain you naturally

01:15:24.579 --> 01:15:27.619
have to go from you know the ugly duckling into

01:15:27.619 --> 01:15:30.939
the sultry swan and there's you know there's

01:15:30.939 --> 01:15:33.739
no other no other option I submit the only time

01:15:33.739 --> 01:15:36.119
it worked was Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman in

01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:39.300
Batman Returns yeah I gotta I gotta confession

01:15:39.300 --> 01:15:41.640
make because the entire time I was thinking are

01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:44.100
they gonna are they gonna show Kristen Wiig as

01:15:44.100 --> 01:15:47.510
Cheetah as I came to know that character in the

01:15:47.510 --> 01:15:50.130
comics who actually looks like a cheetah, like

01:15:50.130 --> 01:15:53.229
a humanoid cheetah. And once we get to the part

01:15:53.229 --> 01:15:56.010
in the White House where she's dressed up in

01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:58.449
cheetah print clothing and stuff like that, I'm

01:15:58.449 --> 01:16:00.250
like, okay, this is as far they're going to take

01:16:00.250 --> 01:16:02.810
it. Admittedly, I was a little disappointed.

01:16:03.229 --> 01:16:05.369
I was just like, oh, man, I really want her to

01:16:05.369 --> 01:16:07.649
do the whole thing. And then they showed me the

01:16:07.649 --> 01:16:09.489
whole thing, and I was like, oh, man, I did not

01:16:09.489 --> 01:16:12.369
want this. I did not want the whole thing. Yeah.

01:16:12.649 --> 01:16:16.699
But she wore amazing shoes. You're saying you

01:16:16.699 --> 01:16:20.720
revoke your wish, Mitchell? God damn it. Can

01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:23.079
someone explain to me the logic of the wishing?

01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:25.920
Because it wasn't really at the end. It's not

01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:28.699
really wishes. It's more of saying a sentence

01:16:28.699 --> 01:16:31.579
that starts with I wish. That's not really a

01:16:31.579 --> 01:16:34.800
wish, right? No. I don't know. No, I desire.

01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:38.319
I'm still stuck on how did all this stuff happen

01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.659
and people still clearly remember. But no, what?

01:16:43.430 --> 01:16:45.529
the continuity of the world. It's very problematic

01:16:45.529 --> 01:16:48.789
when you view this film as a part of a cinematic

01:16:48.789 --> 01:16:51.369
universe. You know what I mean? If this was by

01:16:51.369 --> 01:16:54.710
itself, it's one thing, but this is supposed

01:16:54.710 --> 01:16:57.329
to be in the DC cinematic universe, and there

01:16:57.329 --> 01:17:00.289
was essentially World War III that was wished

01:17:00.289 --> 01:17:02.670
away, and everyone remembers World War III happening,

01:17:02.930 --> 01:17:04.789
all those nukes just randomly appearing in the

01:17:04.789 --> 01:17:07.689
climax, and we're just cool with that. It's whatever.

01:17:08.029 --> 01:17:10.829
Oh, yeah, bygones be bygones. My bad. Can we

01:17:10.829 --> 01:17:14.609
also tell... Can we also talk about the fact

01:17:14.609 --> 01:17:18.510
that at the end of the movie, nobody got any

01:17:18.510 --> 01:17:21.369
repercussions? Maxwell Lord still gets his kid.

01:17:22.010 --> 01:17:25.470
I think Christian Wig's alive. Yep. Totally.

01:17:26.090 --> 01:17:28.989
Totally alive. So, like, nobody got anything

01:17:28.989 --> 01:17:32.289
except for Stephen Trevor is dead again. Well,

01:17:32.289 --> 01:17:36.029
right. By the way, okay, the whole wish of him

01:17:36.029 --> 01:17:38.869
coming back. Okay, can someone explain to me?

01:17:39.090 --> 01:17:43.020
So she doesn't say it out loud. right when she's

01:17:43.020 --> 01:17:44.880
holding the stone we just say like wind blow

01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:48.180
over her yeah my whole thing is she doesn't believe

01:17:48.180 --> 01:17:49.800
that at least at that point in the movie that

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:52.140
the stone legitimately had powers unless i just

01:17:52.140 --> 01:17:56.119
read her character there oh right so if she had

01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.579
said that in her head is it more of one a little

01:18:00.579 --> 01:18:03.239
part of her believes in it or two is it more

01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:05.640
of a daydream wish you know it's just like oh

01:18:06.170 --> 01:18:08.470
I wish I could, you know, tell folks from A to

01:18:08.470 --> 01:18:09.949
B so I don't have to go through traffic. Do you

01:18:09.949 --> 01:18:12.689
think anybody who held Maxwell's hands when he's

01:18:12.689 --> 01:18:14.569
like, tell me you wish for this thing, do you

01:18:14.569 --> 01:18:17.270
think they actually believed it too? Exactly,

01:18:17.630 --> 01:18:21.510
yeah. It's very flimsy. Yeah, none of this makes

01:18:21.510 --> 01:18:24.050
sense. Well, it's fine. You can honestly write

01:18:24.050 --> 01:18:27.029
around a plot device like that. It would be very

01:18:27.029 --> 01:18:29.670
lazy, but like, you know, if you just go like,

01:18:29.689 --> 01:18:31.270
oh, this thing grants your desires, you know,

01:18:31.289 --> 01:18:33.390
like whatever, like your deepest desires, blah,

01:18:33.529 --> 01:18:35.579
whatever. That's fine. Make it generic enough.

01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.460
And you can write a movie around that. But they

01:18:37.460 --> 01:18:40.180
try to like make it like, oh, no, the wish zone

01:18:40.180 --> 01:18:43.439
has mechanics where you have to say I wish and

01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.640
then I get to pick whatever price it is or whatever.

01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:48.699
And they try to make it weird where like, oh,

01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:52.159
Steve Trevor's back. Oh, but he has to inhabit

01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:55.880
some rando's body in his apartment. So that dude

01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:59.000
really he just is like he looks like somebody

01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:03.970
else. That part actually bugged me a lot because

01:19:03.970 --> 01:19:05.909
all of a sudden you're just wearing a meat puppet.

01:19:06.329 --> 01:19:09.350
Yeah, who apparently didn't have any friends

01:19:09.350 --> 01:19:12.010
or family or a job. No one was concerned about

01:19:12.010 --> 01:19:15.489
him being missing or whatever. You get to some

01:19:15.489 --> 01:19:18.470
really weird, bad morality when you realize that

01:19:18.470 --> 01:19:21.729
Steve and Diana hook up that first night and

01:19:21.729 --> 01:19:26.270
it's in somebody else's body. That dude got raped.

01:19:29.350 --> 01:19:31.329
He just said the word, but no, like, I've seen

01:19:31.329 --> 01:19:33.470
a lot of discussions being like, so, um, let's

01:19:33.470 --> 01:19:37.489
talk about consent. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, 100%.

01:19:37.489 --> 01:19:40.409
That dude had no say in it whatsoever, and he

01:19:40.409 --> 01:19:43.949
was just around for it. And it's just like, you

01:19:43.949 --> 01:19:46.329
didn't have to have that extra layer to that,

01:19:46.470 --> 01:19:48.270
like, that didn't add, that didn't make the movie

01:19:48.270 --> 01:19:50.090
more interesting, that just was like, okay, this

01:19:50.090 --> 01:19:52.470
raises some weird questions and makes Diane look

01:19:52.470 --> 01:19:54.470
worse. So Jill... If you're gonna make his leap

01:19:54.470 --> 01:19:57.029
in logic, may as well bring him back in his body.

01:19:57.390 --> 01:20:01.229
that's exactly right right out of the grave nukes

01:20:01.229 --> 01:20:03.810
are showing up out of nowhere you know like walls

01:20:03.810 --> 01:20:05.850
are are raising from the ground out of nowhere

01:20:05.850 --> 01:20:08.170
you can just have a guy pop out and apparate

01:20:08.170 --> 01:20:09.789
out of thin air i would believe it at that point

01:20:09.789 --> 01:20:12.430
and to be honest if they had gone that direction

01:20:12.430 --> 01:20:14.810
of you know it is steve trevor in steve trevor's

01:20:14.810 --> 01:20:17.189
body that would have been at least more compelling

01:20:17.189 --> 01:20:21.989
like i'll admit i actually did not he take out

01:20:21.989 --> 01:20:24.640
the in a vacuum I didn't hate the Steve Trevor,

01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:27.140
Diana stuff. I actually, I liked it together.

01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:28.920
That was the best part of the movie. Like, not

01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:31.840
even close. Yeah, so, they should have, to me,

01:20:31.939 --> 01:20:33.699
what they could have done is, you know, she's

01:20:33.699 --> 01:20:36.119
holding the thing, she wishes for him to come

01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:40.340
back, and then, you know, he somehow, you know,

01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:43.619
he crawls out of his own grave. It's really dark,

01:20:43.819 --> 01:20:45.600
but then he at least would have, there would

01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:47.720
have been more for him struggling to transition,

01:20:47.979 --> 01:20:50.689
because he takes it. the difference between being

01:20:50.689 --> 01:20:55.689
in, like, 1913, 1914, to 1984 pretty damn fucking

01:20:55.689 --> 01:21:00.090
well. You know? Yeah, that's true. It's a role

01:21:00.090 --> 01:21:01.869
reversal from the first Wonder Woman, right?

01:21:01.949 --> 01:21:05.369
Yeah, it is. So, it's just like, I thought it

01:21:05.369 --> 01:21:08.189
was cute. I thought it was cute. I like the dashed

01:21:08.189 --> 01:21:11.369
montage, or just the choices, the little choices.

01:21:11.949 --> 01:21:14.210
Yeah, that's fair. It didn't feel like an 80s

01:21:14.210 --> 01:21:17.949
movie in a lot of ways. But Gal Gadot and Chris

01:21:17.949 --> 01:21:20.470
Pine. They have legitimate chemistry. They're

01:21:20.470 --> 01:21:22.470
so much fun to watch. The invisible jet scene

01:21:22.470 --> 01:21:25.130
is a little cheesy. I loved it. I love that.

01:21:25.750 --> 01:21:29.590
When she's in the mall, that whole mall, early

01:21:29.590 --> 01:21:32.149
in the film, there's a sequence where she's stopping

01:21:32.149 --> 01:21:35.590
a robbery inside a mall, and it's kind of campy.

01:21:36.229 --> 01:21:38.489
There's a scene with a little kid who sees her,

01:21:38.510 --> 01:21:41.569
and she gives her a knowing wink. I'm like, yes,

01:21:41.829 --> 01:22:09.779
leave it to this 1980s camp. Yeah. Also, the

01:22:09.779 --> 01:22:12.680
opening, as awesome as the opening is, it doesn't

01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:15.899
really come back. It doesn't serve a point. That's

01:22:15.899 --> 01:22:18.380
another thing, is that this opening felt like...

01:22:18.380 --> 01:22:21.420
So the opening scene in Themyscira just kind

01:22:21.420 --> 01:22:25.520
of felt pointless? I don't know. It's already

01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:27.100
two and a half hours long, and you feel that

01:22:27.100 --> 01:22:28.939
run time. It felt like you didn't really need

01:22:28.939 --> 01:22:31.520
to see that. I'm right there with it. You can't

01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:36.369
take shortcuts in life on Drake. I actually thought

01:22:36.369 --> 01:22:39.109
that when she in the race takes the tunnel, I

01:22:39.109 --> 01:22:42.090
thought that was clever. I thought that was clever.

01:22:42.390 --> 01:22:45.170
Using your terrain and thinking outside the box.

01:22:45.470 --> 01:22:49.729
I completely agree. I completely agree. Alright,

01:22:49.810 --> 01:22:52.130
so we're going to get to our ratings on this

01:22:52.130 --> 01:22:55.289
because we've already droned on. I love this

01:22:55.289 --> 01:23:01.409
movie. I do want to just make... There's one

01:23:01.409 --> 01:23:04.649
more thing I want to say. Okay. I am not a DC

01:23:04.649 --> 01:23:07.189
comic book reader. What I know about the DC comic

01:23:07.189 --> 01:23:10.250
book universe is limited to some people I watch

01:23:10.250 --> 01:23:12.350
on YouTube who've talked much more in length

01:23:12.350 --> 01:23:15.229
about it. Where I thought this was going for

01:23:15.229 --> 01:23:18.489
Pedro Pascal's villain, and it's really even

01:23:18.489 --> 01:23:20.750
hard to call him a villain, I thought he was

01:23:20.750 --> 01:23:22.869
going to turn into this weird, grotesque monster.

01:23:23.210 --> 01:23:25.470
Because you clearly see the Witchstone that he

01:23:25.470 --> 01:23:29.289
now is taking a toll on him. Because in the comics,

01:23:29.630 --> 01:23:34.180
Wonder Woman kills Max Lord. For reasons. She

01:23:34.180 --> 01:23:35.720
killed him. She snapped his neck, I believe.

01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:39.840
I thought that is where it was going. And then

01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:42.399
we got too close to the climax. I'm like, no,

01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:44.979
he just said he's just going to keep wishing

01:23:44.979 --> 01:23:49.039
for his health to come back. Or whatever. No.

01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:53.140
This is not... There's no stakes now. So, Jill,

01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:55.859
the run that you're talking about, the crossover

01:23:55.859 --> 01:23:58.279
event where that happens, is Infinite Crisis,

01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:02.199
which is... Probably the biggest DC event that

01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:04.979
I read actively when I was still a month -to

01:24:04.979 --> 01:24:07.479
-month reader of comics. And he was a guy who

01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:09.939
set up the OMAC project, which is these robots

01:24:09.939 --> 01:24:11.960
that just killed all the superheroes, blah, blah,

01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.079
blah. It got really intense, and that was the

01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:16.000
first time when I read a comic, oh, shit, Wonder

01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:19.720
Woman actually killed someone. That was a big

01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:22.500
turning point. So, yes, Infinity Crisis. Do recommend

01:24:22.500 --> 01:24:26.000
it if you like that era in comics. Thumbs up.

01:24:26.510 --> 01:24:30.689
Okay, so we need a number rating. Collectively

01:24:30.689 --> 01:24:33.449
or just individually? Individually. So, Jill,

01:24:33.529 --> 01:24:37.949
you can start us off. It definitely does not

01:24:37.949 --> 01:24:42.250
help the rating. Andre and I last night re -watched

01:24:42.250 --> 01:24:44.069
Captain Marvel because we're doing an Avengers

01:24:44.069 --> 01:24:47.189
Marvel Universe re -watch, and my opinion of

01:24:47.189 --> 01:24:50.189
Captain Marvel has gone up tremendously, and

01:24:50.189 --> 01:24:52.149
it definitely pulled my opinion of Wonder Woman

01:24:52.149 --> 01:24:54.590
down. I probably would have said, you know, a

01:24:54.590 --> 01:25:01.130
three. Maybe 2 .8, 2 .6. But now I will give

01:25:01.130 --> 01:25:06.529
Wonder Woman 1984 a 2 .5 invisible jets. Okay.

01:25:07.289 --> 01:25:10.390
Andre? Just the amount of times that I was checking

01:25:10.390 --> 01:25:12.489
my phone in this movie because I was just kind

01:25:12.489 --> 01:25:14.750
of checked out. Even though it was a new superhero

01:25:14.750 --> 01:25:16.689
movie in 2020 and that was a novelty in and of

01:25:16.689 --> 01:25:20.970
itself, I got to give it a flat two rescinded

01:25:20.970 --> 01:25:25.329
wishes out of five, man. Jeez. Mitchell? Yeah,

01:25:25.350 --> 01:25:27.930
for me, the first 50 minutes did not feel like

01:25:27.930 --> 01:25:30.609
a Wonder Woman movie to me at all. To Jill's

01:25:30.609 --> 01:25:32.909
point, Gal Gadot did not command the screen the

01:25:32.909 --> 01:25:35.090
way that she had in the first Wonder Woman movie,

01:25:35.189 --> 01:25:37.289
and that could be anything from the script to

01:25:37.289 --> 01:25:38.949
Patty Jenkins directing, who I think is really

01:25:38.949 --> 01:25:40.949
talented, really looking forward to her upcoming

01:25:40.949 --> 01:25:44.630
Disney Plus series. But overall, this was a middling

01:25:44.630 --> 01:25:49.449
movie, and definitely on the same batting average

01:25:49.449 --> 01:25:52.409
as most of the DCEU, and I'm just going to give

01:25:52.409 --> 01:25:56.779
this one a solid... Two out of five. Kristen

01:25:56.779 --> 01:26:01.060
wig shoes in this one. Let's go with that. She

01:26:01.060 --> 01:26:03.119
can walk with confidence now that she's mastered

01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:09.020
the art of humor. That's it. I agree with everybody's

01:26:09.020 --> 01:26:10.720
what you've been saying and everything like that.

01:26:10.779 --> 01:26:18.119
I got it middle of the road. 2 .5. Lasso lightning

01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:22.000
swings. That part was cool. I liked when she

01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:25.069
learned to fly. Didn't that happen right after,

01:26:25.189 --> 01:26:26.710
or right before she learned how to fly? Like,

01:26:26.710 --> 01:26:28.590
she lasted a lightning strike, and then she learned

01:26:28.590 --> 01:26:30.149
how to fly, right? Yeah. It was, like, in the

01:26:30.149 --> 01:26:32.130
same time period. Right. It was, like, literally

01:26:32.130 --> 01:26:33.710
back -to -back, so it was, like... Okay, you

01:26:33.710 --> 01:26:36.369
want a different rating? I got another one. 2

01:26:36.369 --> 01:26:40.829
.5 useless armors out of 5. Oh, my God. Yeah.

01:26:40.949 --> 01:26:45.149
That shit lasted, like, two minutes? Yep. I didn't

01:26:45.149 --> 01:26:47.529
like the cameo. I didn't like the cameo that

01:26:47.529 --> 01:26:49.649
came with it. I have no idea, but I think I was

01:26:49.649 --> 01:26:53.159
something. Yeah. Also, just for the record, Patty

01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:55.659
Jenkins did not write the first Wonder Woman.

01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:59.859
She co -wrote this one. She wrote Monster, and

01:26:59.859 --> 01:27:01.439
that was, like, I think the last movie she did

01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:05.439
write, and that one is a very good film. I don't

01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:08.619
know if she's the best writer. Well, we're going

01:27:08.619 --> 01:27:12.779
to get Wonder Woman 3. There are five? Am I counting

01:27:12.779 --> 01:27:16.279
five writers on this? No, four writers. Okay,

01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:19.319
never mind. There are some people repeated. So

01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:23.170
it's Patty Jenkins. Dave Callaghan and Jeff Johns,

01:27:23.350 --> 01:27:26.069
who's actually a very talented comic book writer

01:27:26.069 --> 01:27:28.829
who is now running, he's basically the Kevin

01:27:28.829 --> 01:27:31.430
Beige of DC, and unfortunately his talents do

01:27:31.430 --> 01:27:34.789
not cross over to the screen, and he is actually

01:27:34.789 --> 01:27:36.890
responsible for a lot of the scripts that have

01:27:36.890 --> 01:27:40.289
been made in the DCU, and it's been a rough one

01:27:40.289 --> 01:27:42.729
as a fan of Jeff Johns, not gonna lie. Fair.

01:27:43.750 --> 01:27:46.630
Okay, well that will do it for this episode of

01:27:46.630 --> 01:27:49.329
Game for a Movie. Or we ask, are you Game for

01:27:49.329 --> 01:27:52.050
a Movie? I've been host Mike. I'm joined by...

01:27:52.050 --> 01:27:56.989
Jill. Andre. Mitchell. We'll see you next time

01:27:56.989 --> 01:27:57.750
on Game for a Movie.