WEBVTT 00:00:03.540 --> 00:00:05.519 You know what that sound means? That sound means 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:07.580 it's time for Game for a Movie, where we ask, 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.099 are you game for a movie? I am your host, Mike 00:00:10.099 --> 00:00:13.560 Butek. I am joined by... Andre. Jill. Mitchell. 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:18.760 Nice. Welcome, everybody. It is episode 26. It's 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.160 crazy we've made it this far. It's true. It's 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:23.420 great. It's good to be here with you. Yes. It 00:00:23.420 --> 00:00:25.899 took us 26 episodes, but we launched a Twitter. 00:00:26.329 --> 00:00:29.190 actually um and if you'd like to follow us at 00:00:29.190 --> 00:00:32.310 game for a movie p1 on twitter um there's lots 00:00:32.310 --> 00:00:34.789 of great podcasts that we're tweeting about as 00:00:34.789 --> 00:00:37.890 well as our own of course um special shout out 00:00:37.890 --> 00:00:40.210 to the insanely dangerous retro pod show they're 00:00:40.210 --> 00:00:42.899 awesome They talk about 80s stuff. They have 00:00:42.899 --> 00:00:45.380 been one of our number one fans because they've 00:00:45.380 --> 00:00:48.219 listened to our show about Killer Sofa and then 00:00:48.219 --> 00:00:51.619 decided to watch Killer Sofa. They did? Yes. 00:00:51.659 --> 00:00:53.539 Oh, I have to listen and follow up on that. Yes, 00:00:53.539 --> 00:00:56.000 so they are fantastic. Also, special shout out 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:00.679 to my boy Adam. You guys know Adam. Do I know 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.320 Adam? You don't know Adam. Oh, I know Adam, yeah. 00:01:03.500 --> 00:01:07.359 You know Adam. I do. So Adam was texting me and 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.939 he was saying thank you guys for the podcast. 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:12.480 I was like, Wait, what? He goes, yeah, I was 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:13.799 doing stuff around the house, and I listened 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.780 to five episodes straight. Damn. That's a lot 00:01:16.780 --> 00:01:19.859 of our voice in a row. I could not imagine listening 00:01:19.859 --> 00:01:23.079 to five episodes of ours in a row. So shout out 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.000 to Adam when you hear this. What are we drinking? 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.099 Ooh, right. All right, so should we just go around 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:32.140 the table? I have the Double Dry Hopped Fort 00:01:32.140 --> 00:01:34.180 Point Pale Ale from Trillium Brewing. Oh, nice. 00:01:34.340 --> 00:01:37.280 Yeah. What's it called? Fort Point? Fort Point. 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:41.299 Okay, Fort Point. Yes. Nice. I am drinking This 00:01:41.299 --> 00:01:44.400 Is Mrs. Ridiculous, a sour ale brewed with grapes 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.620 and aged in French oak barrels from Dogfish Head. 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.359 I love Dogfish Head. Mitchell, what do you got 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.519 over there? You know, because I am refusing to 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.739 believe that it is winter and that it was actually 00:01:55.739 --> 00:01:58.599 snowing outside when I ran today, I wanted to 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.319 get something that reminded me of summer, so 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.299 I pulled out a little something hazy by Lagunitas. 00:02:03.379 --> 00:02:06.299 It is one of my favorite summertime beers. It 00:02:06.299 --> 00:02:09.810 was still available even during December. There 00:02:09.810 --> 00:02:12.669 you go. All right. And I got a Three Floyds Barbarian 00:02:12.669 --> 00:02:16.789 Haze IPA from Three Floyds. They are the best 00:02:16.789 --> 00:02:19.629 brewery, in my opinion. Literally one of the 00:02:19.629 --> 00:02:22.370 best. They are in Indiana, and they are delicious. 00:02:23.550 --> 00:02:26.810 So that will bring us to the actual meat of the 00:02:26.810 --> 00:02:29.229 program. Okay. Christmas meat. Christmas ham. 00:02:29.349 --> 00:02:32.490 Christmas ham. Okay. Yeah. We're going to get 00:02:32.490 --> 00:02:36.030 to the Christmas movies later. But, Andre, start 00:02:36.030 --> 00:02:40.419 us off with what you watched. I guess when you 00:02:40.419 --> 00:02:43.159 watched it. Yeah. Okay. So, all right. Some preamble 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:44.860 on this for the reasoning, right? So nothing 00:02:44.860 --> 00:02:47.979 says Christmas. like cyberpunk right and there's 00:02:47.979 --> 00:02:51.780 this big huge ass game that came out called cyberpunk 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:55.379 2077 and uh it came out it came out pretty hot 00:02:55.379 --> 00:02:56.960 i know just in case you've been living under 00:02:56.960 --> 00:02:59.659 a rock uh yeah this game was supposed to be very 00:02:59.659 --> 00:03:01.680 it was very hyped uh it came out and it's definitely 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.500 not finished doesn't run on ps4 xbox one so uh 00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:06.259 that's bad but this isn't a video game podcast 00:03:06.259 --> 00:03:09.419 this is a movie podcast uh so uh i was left with 00:03:09.419 --> 00:03:11.659 a giant cyberpunk shaped hole in my heart and 00:03:11.659 --> 00:03:13.900 so i turned to joe and i was like joe I need 00:03:13.900 --> 00:03:15.620 to watch a cyberpunk movie. And we kind of went 00:03:15.620 --> 00:03:17.939 down the list of like, okay, we could watch Blade 00:03:17.939 --> 00:03:20.199 Runner. We could watch Akira. We could watch 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:21.840 Ghost in the Shell. We could watch The Matrix. 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.719 We could watch The Matrix. And I mean, this is 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:27.180 the one we landed on because like, you know, 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:29.099 yeah, I don't know. I just, I felt like watching 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:31.610 some good old, good old fashioned. cyberpunk 00:03:31.610 --> 00:03:34.150 anime so i'm gonna i'm gonna throw a challenge 00:03:34.150 --> 00:03:37.310 flag is matrix cyberpunk so it's tough right 00:03:37.310 --> 00:03:39.930 i would not say i would not call that it's cyberpunk 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:42.629 because because it's so the parts that are in 00:03:42.629 --> 00:03:44.810 the future are all that's like that's just post 00:03:44.810 --> 00:03:46.650 -apocalyptic you know what i mean like it's not 00:03:46.650 --> 00:03:48.849 it's not dudes walking around with enhanced cyber 00:03:48.849 --> 00:03:52.310 limbs or whatever what about the i mean i agree 00:03:52.310 --> 00:03:55.210 like the world within the world so not the actual 00:03:55.210 --> 00:03:56.909 reality in which so you're saying the matrix 00:03:57.419 --> 00:03:59.979 the inside the matrix specifically it's it's 00:03:59.979 --> 00:04:01.560 too it's too modern day you know what i mean 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:05.120 like in in in um in the matrix the the the ruse 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:06.479 is supposed to be that's supposed to be 1999 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.139 new york city you know what i mean like it's 00:04:08.139 --> 00:04:09.780 not people aren't walking around the future it's 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:12.020 not 2050 or whatever you know i will say that 00:04:12.020 --> 00:04:14.219 now having watched the film we've watched i really 00:04:14.219 --> 00:04:16.379 want to watch the matrix again yes right so it's 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:18.000 no it's no secret so this is so we're talking 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.300 about ghost of shell the 1995 ova original video 00:04:21.300 --> 00:04:26.050 animation This movie is a classic. It's one of 00:04:26.050 --> 00:04:27.889 the first five movies. Whenever somebody's getting 00:04:27.889 --> 00:04:29.949 into anime, that's one of the first five names 00:04:29.949 --> 00:04:33.350 you rattle off along with Akira. Neon Genesis 00:04:33.350 --> 00:04:36.589 even. Neon Genesis, yeah. It's in that level 00:04:36.589 --> 00:04:40.290 of classic anime. And this kind of provided the 00:04:40.290 --> 00:04:43.879 blueprint for... most like near future cyberpunk 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.180 stories uh most notably even though it's not 00:04:46.180 --> 00:04:48.319 cyberpunk the wachowski siblings they watched 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:50.639 this movie and they were kind of they they used 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.100 them they used that movie kind of as a blueprint 00:04:52.100 --> 00:04:54.180 for the matrix you can see a lot of similarity 00:04:54.180 --> 00:04:56.500 so if you're a big fan of the matrix highly recommend 00:04:56.500 --> 00:04:58.639 watching this movie just as kind of like seeing 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.620 the progenesis of it you'll also notice that 00:05:00.620 --> 00:05:04.100 carrie ann moss looks shockingly that's true 00:05:04.100 --> 00:05:07.620 like the main character the major yes yeah so 00:05:07.620 --> 00:05:09.879 i guess high level plot synopsis is that this 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.079 is uh this is this movie takes place in a near 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.899 future tokyo uh where technology has advanced 00:05:14.899 --> 00:05:16.519 to the point where we've kind of cracked the 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.779 code in terms of like cybernetic enhancements 00:05:18.779 --> 00:05:22.279 um we can also transfer consciousness like human 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:24.740 consciousness called ghosts in this world uh 00:05:24.740 --> 00:05:27.800 to other bodies hence ghost in the shell so our 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.939 main character she is a police force major she 00:05:30.939 --> 00:05:34.019 has a cybernetic body um so like she just has 00:05:34.019 --> 00:05:36.240 basically this whole entire like the opening 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.439 scene is her jumping from a tower and using active 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:40.829 camo and doing like a political assassination 00:05:40.829 --> 00:05:44.009 on somebody. Oh. So, this movie is... You know, 00:05:44.069 --> 00:05:46.610 as you do. Right. So, you know, I went into this 00:05:46.610 --> 00:05:48.730 movie, I watched this, like, probably maybe 15 00:05:48.730 --> 00:05:50.850 -ish years ago because I was getting into anime 00:05:50.850 --> 00:05:52.490 and I was like, oh, man, I'll watch this, like, 00:05:52.509 --> 00:05:54.069 thinking, oh, it's gonna be action -packed, like, 00:05:54.110 --> 00:05:56.370 you know, yeah, like, robot sci -fi action. This 00:05:56.370 --> 00:05:58.769 movie is very much a slow burn and it's oddly 00:05:58.769 --> 00:06:01.209 paced, I would say. Okay. Because it's based 00:06:01.209 --> 00:06:03.370 directly off of a manga, which definitely, like, 00:06:03.470 --> 00:06:05.430 that's not... doesn't translate directly to, 00:06:05.470 --> 00:06:07.410 like, a normal five -act structure for a film. 00:06:07.769 --> 00:06:12.240 Okay. Um... All it is to say is that this movie, 00:06:12.379 --> 00:06:14.079 the main things that are going for it is the 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.939 visuals. It's absolutely beautiful. What's up? 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:19.120 It's typically a three -act structure. A lot 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.839 of anime and Japanese story structure is defined 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:28.040 as four, typically. But anyway, you could definitely 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.660 split it up into five, but a lot of people like 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:34.379 to say three in American storytelling. Okay. 00:06:34.420 --> 00:06:36.339 Let's watch the whole thing on different story 00:06:36.339 --> 00:06:40.750 structure. whiplash and the and black swan yeah 00:06:40.750 --> 00:06:42.610 i'll share that link to that there's nothing 00:06:42.610 --> 00:06:44.649 lessons from the screenplay class a great great 00:06:44.649 --> 00:06:46.750 youtube channel check out he's he's awesome anyways 00:06:46.750 --> 00:06:50.569 um where was i oh yeah so i mean yeah the the 00:06:50.569 --> 00:06:52.129 biggest thing about this movie is that's visually 00:06:52.129 --> 00:06:54.569 extremely striking um the animation still looks 00:06:54.569 --> 00:06:56.689 great i think i was reading up on a little bit 00:06:56.689 --> 00:06:58.990 it's not all 2d hand animation it did a combination 00:06:58.990 --> 00:07:02.720 of digital animation with cel shading. Yeah, 00:07:02.819 --> 00:07:05.339 I need to look into it more. But anyways, you 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:07.879 can obviously tell that they spent a lot of time 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:10.019 on the mechanical designs of all of these cybernetic 00:07:10.019 --> 00:07:12.620 limbs, all of these automated machines. This 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:14.319 world just immediately draws you in. I would 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.180 say that if you watch anything from this movie, 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:18.000 it's either watch the opening credits scene. 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.800 You can definitely see how it definitely reminds 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.459 me a lot of Westworld specifically. Westworld 00:07:23.459 --> 00:07:26.139 definitely took a lot. I said that last night. 00:07:26.139 --> 00:07:27.899 Yes, right. You immediately feel like it feels 00:07:27.899 --> 00:07:31.750 like Westworld. Yeah. Um, and there's also one 00:07:31.750 --> 00:07:33.910 of my favorite, uh, sections of this movie is 00:07:33.910 --> 00:07:37.029 just in the middle of it where we just, no, no 00:07:37.029 --> 00:07:39.569 plot happens. It's just a long drawn out, uh, 00:07:39.750 --> 00:07:42.639 like different cuts of. I don't think it's called 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.660 Neo -Tokyo, but this new version of Tokyo, which 00:07:44.660 --> 00:07:46.839 they model after Hong Kong. It's this futuristic 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.819 city, but it looks grungy. It's overcrowded. 00:07:50.379 --> 00:07:53.939 You can see a lot of classism going on with all 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:56.879 of these idyllic buildings and shopping centers 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:01.959 right above all these slums. Just a clash of 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:09.300 cultures. It helped further codify the cyberpunk 00:08:09.300 --> 00:08:11.689 look that Blade Runner defined. almost you know 00:08:11.689 --> 00:08:15.879 gotcha yeah um Yeah, I don't know. It's hard 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:17.740 not to just talk in circles with this movie because 00:08:17.740 --> 00:08:19.480 it is very much, I would say, it's up its own 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.920 ass a little bit. With talking about a lot of 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:24.959 cyberpunk fiction, it'll talk about a lot of 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.879 the themes have to do with transhumanism and 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.379 what exactly constitutes the meaning of life. 00:08:29.899 --> 00:08:34.059 How do you define your own existence if we've 00:08:34.059 --> 00:08:37.419 gone to the point where humanity no longer needs 00:08:37.419 --> 00:08:40.000 its actual flesh and blood? We can transfer it 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.279 to all these machines and new... At what point 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.120 does life start and end? Okay. So there's a lot 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.320 of questions about that. I would say that, like, 00:08:50.379 --> 00:08:54.059 narratively, this film is a lot of, like, I don't 00:08:54.059 --> 00:08:56.500 know. You could go for it, Jill. Yeah, so first 00:08:56.500 --> 00:08:58.799 of all, these are the lyrics that are being the 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.460 IMDb note about the lyrics, I am building a cyborg 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:05.100 or making a cyborg. Now that I've thought about 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:08.419 it, this film, it is not the same. This is not 00:09:08.419 --> 00:09:10.059 the same. These two movies are the same at all. 00:09:10.539 --> 00:09:14.519 If you've ever seen Only Lovers Left Alive, the 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:19.940 slow, slow burn sequences of no dialogue, just 00:09:19.940 --> 00:09:24.980 very ambient, atmospheric music. just letting 00:09:24.980 --> 00:09:28.679 you you know you're you're uh marinating in the 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:32.000 atmosphere of this world yeah that's where i'm 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.159 seeing the similarity i went into this movie 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.480 not knowing much about it besides the opening 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.519 tower jump scene which i would say if you are 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:40.720 into anime or have a passing interest you know 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.299 what i'm talking about but i was expecting more 00:09:44.299 --> 00:09:48.159 gunfights robot on robot action and there is 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:51.460 some of that but this is a very heady think piece 00:09:51.460 --> 00:09:57.269 um It is, I guess, like, almost like an episode 00:09:57.269 --> 00:10:00.450 of Black Mirror. Yes. But, like, a more slow 00:10:00.450 --> 00:10:03.389 -paced one. Like, I could see, and I'm sure maybe 00:10:03.389 --> 00:10:06.870 they have even done this, them adapting the story 00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:12.090 that is discussed in... Ghost in the Shell. And 00:10:12.090 --> 00:10:13.990 while we were watching it, at first I was thinking, 00:10:14.049 --> 00:10:16.629 oh, it's slow burn like the way that Metropolis 00:10:16.629 --> 00:10:19.529 is slow burn, but Metropolis has a bombastic 00:10:19.529 --> 00:10:22.909 ending. The last 20 minutes of Metropolis, everything 00:10:22.909 --> 00:10:27.129 reaches their crescendo and it ignites. Ghost 00:10:27.129 --> 00:10:30.389 in the Shell... Very much just ends. It ends, 00:10:31.190 --> 00:10:34.590 not with a gunfight or a blaze of glory, but 00:10:34.590 --> 00:10:40.389 with a very deep... humanist conversation about 00:10:40.389 --> 00:10:44.710 what is life, what does it mean to be human, 00:10:44.789 --> 00:10:48.809 and what is the next chapter for some characters. 00:10:49.789 --> 00:10:52.029 Yeah, and I'm making it sound like this movie 00:10:52.029 --> 00:10:54.250 is pretty pretentious, but I don't know. It's 00:10:54.250 --> 00:10:57.289 not, though. This is not a pretentious film. 00:10:58.399 --> 00:10:59.980 No, I'm not going to bring up Satoshi Kon into 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:03.139 this. I'm not saying Perfect Blue is pretentious 00:11:03.139 --> 00:11:05.019 either, since a millennium actress is kind of 00:11:05.019 --> 00:11:06.940 pretentious, and it's the whole story about this 00:11:06.940 --> 00:11:09.259 actress's career, and the painter is the greatest 00:11:09.259 --> 00:11:16.460 thing ever. This is a very humble story with 00:11:16.460 --> 00:11:20.480 larger themes. one is not pretentious while the 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.480 second and third matrix are yes i guess that's 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:25.600 what i'm trying to delineate is that it does 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:32.470 not fall into just narrative like narrative garbage. 00:11:32.470 --> 00:11:37.029 These are not gods looking down upon man. These 00:11:37.029 --> 00:11:38.230 are individuals who want to be equal with man. 00:11:38.230 --> 00:11:40.870 I think the Matrix, the second and third Matrix 00:11:40.870 --> 00:11:43.590 films are the Wachowskis trying to get to that 00:11:43.590 --> 00:11:45.570 level of headiness, but not sticking a landing. 00:11:45.649 --> 00:11:48.509 The first thing I thought of when you were talking 00:11:48.509 --> 00:11:50.769 about narrative, that kind of stuff, was Matrix 00:11:50.769 --> 00:11:54.769 2. The end of Matrix 2 is just exposition vomit. 00:11:55.070 --> 00:11:59.330 And it's not... The big explosions or whatever. 00:11:59.730 --> 00:12:02.090 It has the ending like Blade Runner. Yes. The 00:12:02.090 --> 00:12:04.429 doves in the rain. Yeah. Tears in the rain. Tears 00:12:04.429 --> 00:12:06.470 in the rain scene. That's the lap of the finale. 00:12:06.850 --> 00:12:09.149 Okay. I would say that the biggest thing going 00:12:09.149 --> 00:12:11.169 against this movie is just the... Well, so we 00:12:11.169 --> 00:12:14.309 watched it dubbed. A version of the dub. A version 00:12:14.309 --> 00:12:16.350 of the dub. Well, yeah. So this was dubbed back 00:12:16.350 --> 00:12:21.049 in 95. Standards for Japanese dubs were way, 00:12:21.070 --> 00:12:24.100 way, way lower than they are now. A lot of the 00:12:24.100 --> 00:12:26.240 voice acting is stiff, particularly around the 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.279 major, the main character. You could say that's 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.139 part of the point, but the line delivery is not 00:12:31.139 --> 00:12:34.080 there for me. I would say if you are at all used 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.679 to watching films with subtitles, try watching 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.919 this with subtitles. The only thing is that my 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:41.960 logic was that if we watched a dub, we could 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:43.720 just focus on the animation, which is a huge 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.759 part of the appeal. But, I mean, the nice thing 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.179 about this movie is that when the animation is 00:12:49.179 --> 00:12:50.940 gorgeous, it's usually during an action scene 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:52.480 when there's not much dialogue or the dialogue's 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.500 very simple. And when they're having these long, 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:57.740 expositive conversations, it's usually with stiller 00:12:57.740 --> 00:12:59.559 shots. So I don't think you would lose a lot 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.590 by watching it with subtitles. Okay. Another 00:13:02.590 --> 00:13:04.210 thing I gotta do a shout out for, I'll wrap this 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:06.309 up quickly, is that the sound is great. It's 00:13:06.309 --> 00:13:08.110 not the usual cyberpunk synths you would think 00:13:08.110 --> 00:13:10.110 of, like with Blade Runner. Not to say that Blade 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:13.370 Runner sounds bad, but it's, you know, it's drums, 00:13:13.509 --> 00:13:15.990 it's a lot of classical Japanese instruments, 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:19.070 and the songs are few and far between, but that 00:13:19.070 --> 00:13:21.590 means that when they show up, it feels very impactful. 00:13:21.889 --> 00:13:24.830 Nice. Yeah, I don't know. This movie's a classic 00:13:24.830 --> 00:13:27.029 for a reason. It still holds up. I would say 00:13:27.029 --> 00:13:29.529 that it's not like a super fun action sci -fi 00:13:29.529 --> 00:13:32.080 romp if you want. That kind of action -y thing, 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.840 I would say watch Akira first. That's more bombastic. 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:36.840 Now we both want to watch it. I know, we should 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.399 watch that. It's fine, I love Akira. And I will 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.059 say that if you enjoy all of Akira, but particularly 00:13:43.059 --> 00:13:47.580 not the motorcycle chase scene itself, but when 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:50.679 you are being introduced to Neo Tokyo, and it's 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.379 just the music playing, and they're doing the 00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:55.279 panning shots of the city. If you really like 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.419 that, then watch Ghost in the Shell. Because 00:13:57.419 --> 00:14:00.299 Ghost in the Shell has multiple long, as Andre 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:02.500 was saying, long cuts with no dialogue. It's 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:05.799 just music, and you are marinating in this world. 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:08.840 Yeah, so anyways, I'd say highly recommend it, 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:10.580 especially if you're like me and looking for 00:14:10.580 --> 00:14:13.320 some good cyberpunk media in this day and age. 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:17.519 Anyways, I give Ghost in the Shell 4 .25 ghost 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:22.259 hacks out of 5. 4 .25? 4 .25. Okay. Yep. Have 00:14:22.259 --> 00:14:24.200 we done quarter points? Have we done quarter 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:25.700 points? I can round it up or down if you need 00:14:25.700 --> 00:14:29.000 me to. No, you just broke the mold. All right. 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.019 We're breaking new ground. 3 .33333 repeating. 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.539 Repeating, of course. Yes. Okay. All right. 4 00:14:34.539 --> 00:14:36.960 .25. Jill, what would you give it? Because you've 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:41.379 seen it too now. Yep. I would give it a solid 00:14:41.379 --> 00:14:43.779 four. Okay. Four. That's good, though. Yeah. 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.840 Four out of five goes tax. Okay. All right. Same 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:49.799 metric. I like it. Yeah, it's a good metric. 00:14:50.019 --> 00:14:52.039 Yeah, it's a good metric. I gotta say, it sounds 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:53.539 beautiful. I've never seen it, but it sounds 00:14:53.539 --> 00:14:55.919 beautiful. Definitely watch it. Just be aware 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.779 of there is a lot of nudity in it. It's very 00:14:58.779 --> 00:15:00.879 clinical. Can we just make an aside on that? 00:15:01.019 --> 00:15:03.220 I don't know. Some people get turned off by it. 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.259 So all you know about Ghost in the Shell is like, 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.159 oh, it's that movie with that naked lady who 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:10.899 jumps off a tower. Yes, there is nudity. It is 00:15:10.899 --> 00:15:13.480 not in a sexualized manner. It is not really 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.639 there to be titillating besides the fact that, 00:15:15.659 --> 00:15:19.110 yes, this is a naked woman. It is there for a 00:15:19.110 --> 00:15:22.830 reason and it is not offensive at all. Cool. 00:15:23.350 --> 00:15:26.009 Sick. Fair. Dope. Fair. Goes to show. Good movie. 00:15:26.129 --> 00:15:28.309 You can do nudity. Right. Yeah, definitely. Tasteful 00:15:28.309 --> 00:15:29.690 nudity. It's just that anime has a reputation 00:15:29.690 --> 00:15:31.309 for being pretty exploitative with that stuff. 00:15:31.429 --> 00:15:33.009 Yeah, I get it. Throw it out there. Anyways. 00:15:33.350 --> 00:15:37.289 Jill, we go to you and your movie. So, moving 00:15:37.289 --> 00:15:41.070 away from adult animation but still staying in 00:15:41.070 --> 00:15:45.070 that wheelhouse, I decided that I really wanted 00:15:45.070 --> 00:15:48.480 to watch a nice... Fun animated Christmas movie. 00:15:48.620 --> 00:15:50.919 And I looked around and I actually did watch 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.200 more than one animated Christmas movie. Special 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.279 mention to Rise of the Guardians. But there was 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:57.899 one in particular I really wanted to watch with 00:15:57.899 --> 00:16:01.580 Andre, which is Klaus. This is a 2019 Netflix 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:04.320 original directed by, I just had his name in 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:09.080 front of me, Sergio Pablos. Pablos. Pablos. Pablos. 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.659 It came out last year and it did actually very 00:16:12.659 --> 00:16:15.419 well. It was nominated for Best Animated Film 00:16:15.419 --> 00:16:18.659 and unfortunately lost out to Toy Story 4, which 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:22.179 is a conversation for a different day. And it 00:16:22.179 --> 00:16:25.360 stars Jason Schwartzman and Rashida Jones and 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.600 J .K. Simmons. And it is a Santa Claus origin 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.159 story. Interesting. Okay. But it takes a while 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:33.720 for our would -be Santa to show up. Right. And 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.899 you had me watch this blind. Like, you're like, 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:36.919 do you know anything about this movie? I'm like, 00:16:36.940 --> 00:16:38.059 I know it's a Christmas movie and that's it. 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:41.259 So I had Andre go into it blind. So the story 00:16:41.259 --> 00:16:45.919 set up is that it's maybe the 1800s, sometime 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.039 in the 1800s. They never drop a date. And it's 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.000 a story of a postman in training named Jesper. 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.720 He's the son of the grand postmaster. He is a 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:58.100 lazy slacker who is very entitled. And his dad 00:16:58.100 --> 00:17:00.139 teaches his son a lesson. It is, okay, we're 00:17:00.139 --> 00:17:02.320 going to graduate you right out of the academy. 00:17:02.970 --> 00:17:04.589 And we're going to give you an assignment. You 00:17:04.589 --> 00:17:07.529 have a one year to mail 6 ,000 letters. And if 00:17:07.529 --> 00:17:09.369 you do that, you can come home and be with your 00:17:09.369 --> 00:17:11.509 silk sheets. Okay. And you never have to work 00:17:11.509 --> 00:17:14.369 again. Silk sheets. Okay. Jasper is very fond 00:17:14.369 --> 00:17:17.089 of his silk sheets. Okay. It comes up multiple 00:17:17.089 --> 00:17:20.769 times. So he is shipped off to, they're based 00:17:20.769 --> 00:17:23.450 on a real spot in, I think, Greenland, Iceland? 00:17:23.930 --> 00:17:26.309 Far up Iceland, somewhere in the far north. Middle 00:17:26.309 --> 00:17:29.390 of bumfuck nowhere, Iceland. Bumfuck north. Oh, 00:17:29.390 --> 00:17:31.869 yeah, Greenland, I think, yeah. Named Smirnsberg, 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:35.349 and it is... Is there ice or no ice? There's 00:17:35.349 --> 00:17:37.309 lots of ice. So Greenland. It's Greenland, yes. 00:17:37.349 --> 00:17:38.849 That's why I was like, yeah, it's Greenland, 00:17:38.890 --> 00:17:41.369 yeah. It's probably Greenland. So it goes to 00:17:41.369 --> 00:17:45.470 Smearinsburg. It is a torn apart town with their 00:17:45.470 --> 00:17:47.869 own version of the Hatfields and McCoys. Okay. 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:51.910 And he's doomed. He's not going to mail 6 ,000 00:17:51.910 --> 00:17:54.369 letters. There is no hope. These people don't 00:17:54.369 --> 00:17:55.829 talk to each other. They fight with each other. 00:17:55.990 --> 00:17:58.730 Yeah, okay. The local school teacher has turned 00:17:58.730 --> 00:18:00.950 her school into a fish shop where she is hacking 00:18:00.950 --> 00:18:03.950 and slashing up fish. She wants to get out. The 00:18:03.950 --> 00:18:07.089 locals are creepy. There are some fun children 00:18:07.089 --> 00:18:09.589 that are constantly shoving sharp things into... 00:18:10.029 --> 00:18:12.690 not -so -sharp things, like the snowman and the 00:18:12.690 --> 00:18:16.609 carrot. Oh, yeah. Okay. So Jesper's like, what 00:18:16.609 --> 00:18:19.130 am I going to do? And then one day, shortly after 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:22.529 he arrives, a kid throws something out, a letter 00:18:22.529 --> 00:18:24.509 out the window, a drawing falls out the window, 00:18:24.710 --> 00:18:26.910 and he gets this brilliant idea that, you know, 00:18:26.930 --> 00:18:29.309 the kid can have him mail the letter to the child, 00:18:29.470 --> 00:18:31.410 so then he can start getting his letters going. 00:18:31.650 --> 00:18:35.920 The kid's not quite getting it. Okay. And through 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:38.099 some circumstances, Jesper ends up in the middle 00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:41.019 of the woods because he hasn't hit up one remaining 00:18:41.019 --> 00:18:44.859 house. And he loses the kid's drawing. And a 00:18:44.859 --> 00:18:48.259 couple days later, this woodsman, big burly guy, 00:18:48.500 --> 00:18:52.730 shows up with a toy for the kid. So Jasper has 00:18:52.730 --> 00:18:54.029 to do... Wonder who this could be. Yep, wonder 00:18:54.029 --> 00:18:55.509 who this could be. Dude, and I will say they 00:18:55.509 --> 00:18:57.049 make a good job making him seem intimidating 00:18:57.049 --> 00:18:58.690 because he is literally the woodsman with an 00:18:58.690 --> 00:19:00.769 axe. Like, it's like, oh, shit. Is this voiced 00:19:00.769 --> 00:19:02.490 by J .K. Simmons? This is voiced by J .K. Simmons. 00:19:02.769 --> 00:19:04.890 More so. I can put it... Okay. Yeah, so this 00:19:04.890 --> 00:19:06.509 is J .K. Simmons. He shows up with a toy for 00:19:06.509 --> 00:19:08.450 the kid and he's like... He doesn't say anything, 00:19:08.549 --> 00:19:11.029 actually. His dialogue kicks in maybe 20 minutes 00:19:11.029 --> 00:19:12.470 after he's introduced. Yeah, right. It's all 00:19:12.470 --> 00:19:14.890 for him to say something. So he shows up and 00:19:14.890 --> 00:19:16.710 Jasper's like, well, I guess this has to get 00:19:16.710 --> 00:19:19.289 delivered. And thus the legend of Santa Claus 00:19:19.289 --> 00:19:22.049 kind of starts to come together. The kid gets 00:19:22.049 --> 00:19:25.150 a toy, tells his cousins, they're not friends, 00:19:25.190 --> 00:19:27.509 his cousins, and suddenly all the kids realize 00:19:27.509 --> 00:19:30.069 that if they give the mailman a letter, they'll 00:19:30.069 --> 00:19:34.299 get a toy. And the mailman's like, aha, I'm going 00:19:34.299 --> 00:19:36.660 to be like a drug dealer now. You want to send 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:39.759 a letter? You just need a stamp. First one's 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:45.559 free. And he goes back to the woodsman, whose 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.339 name is Klaus. And he's like, you know, we can 00:19:48.339 --> 00:19:51.200 bring good to the world. You saw the smile on 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.039 this kid's face. And I will say the moment where 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:55.880 Klaus sees the first child playing with the toy 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.519 he's been given. It's a very powerful moment. 00:19:59.619 --> 00:20:01.720 He doesn't say anything. He's just staring into 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.839 the window at the joy on this child's face. Nice. 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.779 And from there, Jesper starts working his way 00:20:08.779 --> 00:20:11.539 towards the 6 ,000 letters. He's helping Klaus 00:20:11.539 --> 00:20:13.420 get rid of all these toys that are filled in 00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:16.980 his shed. We find out later why. And along the 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:20.099 way, he befriends a school teacher. They meet 00:20:20.099 --> 00:20:23.700 a girl who's part of the Sami tribe. Okay. And 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:27.539 it's just a really nice, feel -good story. You 00:20:27.539 --> 00:20:31.079 watch the bond between Klaus and Jesper grow 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:33.660 as they kind of go through this Ponzi scheme, 00:20:33.740 --> 00:20:35.480 really, at the beginning. Yeah, effectively, 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.579 it is a Ponzi scheme. It's funny because in January, 00:20:39.819 --> 00:20:44.720 I happen to be at GameCraft, and it is past closing, 00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:46.740 and I'm having a conversation with the bartender 00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:48.660 that back when we could actually do this kind 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:52.559 of stuff. Yep. And we were talking about, I mentioned 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:55.240 that I have a podcast that I do with my friends, 00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:58.359 and we watch good movies, bad movies. She suggested 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:02.019 this movie. She also suggested another one, but 00:21:02.019 --> 00:21:04.519 I still haven't gotten to it. Which one? Blue 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:06.880 Ruin. Don't look anything up about it, is what 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.220 I've been told. It's on Netflix. Don't look anything 00:21:09.220 --> 00:21:13.059 up about it. Just watch it. Because the synopsis 00:21:13.059 --> 00:21:16.599 apparently doesn't do a good job. But, yeah. 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:18.720 So it's funny that you bring this up, because 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.650 I'm just... now remembering, oh yeah, she suggested 00:21:21.650 --> 00:21:23.309 this movie. It's written on a note that's in 00:21:23.309 --> 00:21:26.450 my car. And it actually really is a great movie. 00:21:26.549 --> 00:21:29.049 The weakest components are the Hatfield and McCoy 00:21:29.049 --> 00:21:31.190 subplot, which really exists just to drive a 00:21:31.190 --> 00:21:34.430 wedge. They're just the villains, right? The 00:21:34.430 --> 00:21:37.529 token villains. Alone, the animation is just 00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:40.450 gorgeous. It looks like a picture book. It's 00:21:40.450 --> 00:21:43.890 a wonderful line between 2D and 3D. There is 00:21:43.890 --> 00:21:45.950 some CGI components into it. Definitely. And 00:21:45.950 --> 00:21:48.049 I like the way this movie looks a lot, but it 00:21:48.049 --> 00:21:50.440 did just make me miss 2d hand animate like like 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.299 i would just love if this movie was like done 00:21:52.299 --> 00:21:55.220 yes exactly but it looks great as is like in 00:21:55.220 --> 00:21:57.640 a vacuum but looks great yeah it is beautiful 00:21:59.110 --> 00:22:02.329 And J .K. Simmons, as Klaus, delivers an amazing 00:22:02.329 --> 00:22:06.589 performance. J .K. Simmons? As the Legend of 00:22:06.589 --> 00:22:09.450 Santa continues to grow and grow, he's coming 00:22:09.450 --> 00:22:11.750 out of his shell more. You find out why he was 00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:14.549 the old cranky woodsman in the woods. You find 00:22:14.549 --> 00:22:17.349 out what the toys were. And you really see the 00:22:17.349 --> 00:22:20.210 community coming together. So the children... 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.839 you know are getting all these presents and then 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:24.960 jesper who's the one who's actually been delivering 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.980 all this he sees a kid wants a toy but this kid 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:31.079 was mean to him so he leaves cole behind so that's 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:32.720 how the story of if you're naughty you're not 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.279 going to get anything you have to be nice so 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.700 the children start cleaning up the town and doing 00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:40.720 good deeds and the boiling it all down it's like 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.759 one good one true at one act of true of kind 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:47.039 of selflessness will spark that in another and 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.460 then it's a domino effect and that's really the 00:22:50.569 --> 00:22:52.890 thesis statement of this movie that if you just 00:22:52.890 --> 00:22:56.109 do one good thing it'll have ramifications onward 00:22:56.109 --> 00:23:01.450 and onward nice um the ending is very sad well 00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:04.829 okay in a good way yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's 00:23:04.829 --> 00:23:07.529 somber but in a it's a somber ending yeah okay 00:23:07.529 --> 00:23:10.670 um you know it is the story of santa claus he's 00:23:10.670 --> 00:23:14.670 a man not an elf or fairy or whatever the many 00:23:14.670 --> 00:23:17.960 iterations of Santa Claus. Whatever he is, yeah. 00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:19.880 Yeah, you know, I'm going off of the life and 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.039 times of Santa Claus, and I think he's, like, 00:23:22.059 --> 00:23:25.859 sort of a demi -fairy god thing. I don't even 00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:30.779 know, man. Anyway, the ending leaves you on a 00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:33.279 bittersweet note, but it's a nice, you know, 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.019 it's like a good cry. Oh, okay. Okay. It's a 00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:39.440 single tear, and you're, like, kind of nodding, 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:42.180 like, yeah. Yeah, okay. Oh, that's nice. You 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:43.619 get to, you know, and, you know. Are they tears, 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:46.920 or just? Rain drops. Two tears in the rain. Drops 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:48.460 in the rain. Drops in the rain. No, these are 00:23:48.460 --> 00:23:51.200 real tears. You know, Jasper also changes for 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.099 the better. Everybody undergoes a nice change. 00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:54.900 Yeah, it's very much a feel -good movie. Mm -hmm. 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:58.599 Okay. And, you know, it's not... I have to say, 00:23:58.660 --> 00:24:00.579 Pat's often smoothier. There's not a single poop 00:24:00.579 --> 00:24:02.460 or fart joke in it. That's true. That's a good 00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:04.000 point. I would say that there's some licensed 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.940 music choices that were a little odd. Like, there's, 00:24:06.940 --> 00:24:08.880 like, two song drops that are just very random 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.440 that kind of, like... Which ones? I forget, but, 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.240 um... No, no, but like, oh, I should go on. No, 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.400 well, it was just like, you know, like when he 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.900 was doing the montage of him trying to sell letters. 00:24:20.299 --> 00:24:22.359 What was that song? Yeah, it was like, it was 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.220 just, you know, present day, like pop songs. 00:24:24.259 --> 00:24:26.980 And I'm like, what? You've got How Do You Like 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:28.299 Me Now. How Do You Like Me Now was in there. 00:24:28.339 --> 00:24:30.119 Yeah, How Do You Like Me Now shows up. Which 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:31.859 I love that song. It's a fun song. Great. But 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:33.799 also they just kind of put that in there and 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.880 this movie was very much like, it's, you know, 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.559 the whole vibe is it like taking place like in, 00:24:38.619 --> 00:24:42.460 you know, early, mid -1800s. Yeah. So it's supposed 00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:44.079 to be a period piece at that point or whatever, 00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:46.720 you know? Yeah. So it's just like, oh, okay. 00:24:46.900 --> 00:24:48.519 I guess we're just doing that. We can't call 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.500 this a movie out of time. per se, because they 00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:53.099 put enough things in there to be like, I can 00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:55.900 figure out when this probably existed. And the 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.200 thing is that Christmas actually is a thing in 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.759 this world, but there is no Legend of Santa. 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.180 So it's just like giving presents to kids. It's 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:06.519 Jesus' birthday, you know? They never dropped 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.000 the J word. They never dropped the J word. My 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.819 only complaint with this movie is the Sami tribe, 00:25:14.059 --> 00:25:16.500 and it's not that they're handled without care. 00:25:17.450 --> 00:25:19.630 It's they are, they kind of take on the role 00:25:19.630 --> 00:25:22.589 of the elves. Right. It's a little weird. It's 00:25:22.589 --> 00:25:24.549 a little weird. So there's this adorable Sami 00:25:24.549 --> 00:25:29.789 girl who shows up and Jasper learns to communicate 00:25:29.789 --> 00:25:31.509 with her to figure out what she wants. What she 00:25:31.509 --> 00:25:34.630 wants is a toy, a toy boat. She can sail on the 00:25:34.630 --> 00:25:36.450 ice with her father. And it's very touching because 00:25:36.450 --> 00:25:38.750 it's the first present that he delivers with 00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:41.430 just as, that he made it himself. And it was 00:25:41.430 --> 00:25:43.950 not to get another letter sent. It was. to give 00:25:43.950 --> 00:25:46.069 a gift to another person to bring them joy. Yeah. 00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:48.190 So that was, like, a very cool moment. But then, 00:25:48.230 --> 00:25:50.789 like, she brings her whole Sami tribe over to 00:25:50.789 --> 00:25:54.349 Klaus's wooden house. And, like, they just, like, 00:25:54.450 --> 00:25:56.730 Klaus just kind of semi -adopts them or something. 00:25:56.890 --> 00:25:58.289 Like, they all just move in and then, like, that's 00:25:58.289 --> 00:26:01.069 the explanation for, like, the elf workers. Right. 00:26:01.150 --> 00:26:02.789 Interesting. And it's kind of a weird dynamic. 00:26:03.430 --> 00:26:06.390 There's never a conversation where, like, the 00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:08.049 head of the tribe and Klaus, like, look at each 00:26:08.049 --> 00:26:09.910 other and shake hands and be like, yes, let's 00:26:09.910 --> 00:26:11.130 do this together. No, like, they just show up 00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:12.650 and they're just down to make toys. And it's, 00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:14.410 like, kind of weird it's a found family you're 00:26:14.410 --> 00:26:16.710 about to do labor good luck yeah right right 00:26:16.710 --> 00:26:19.049 i mean claus is also a toy maker but yeah it's 00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:21.650 still they're leaning into the found family but 00:26:21.650 --> 00:26:24.170 it's just kind of silly it's a little glossed 00:26:24.170 --> 00:26:26.430 over it's a little glossed over and as a result 00:26:26.430 --> 00:26:28.509 feels a little weird a little weird fair anyways 00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:32.150 but overall feel good movie love that it exists 00:26:32.150 --> 00:26:36.769 i love that it's 2d fate like uh it looks 2d 00:26:36.769 --> 00:26:39.549 yeah even though it's not fully 2d i highly recommend 00:26:39.549 --> 00:26:42.869 it if you enjoy feel good christmas movies especially 00:26:42.869 --> 00:26:45.490 ones that don't talk down to their audience this 00:26:45.490 --> 00:26:48.589 is not a stupid dumb christmas film this film 00:26:48.589 --> 00:26:52.710 is for all ages and it has a lot of heart nice 00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:55.930 so what would you give it final rating then i 00:26:55.930 --> 00:27:01.430 would give it 4 .5 out of 5 mailed letters with 00:27:01.430 --> 00:27:05.220 a stamp bought for a penny Okay. Stamp out for 00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:08.940 a penny. I would give it 3 .75. I'm going to 00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:10.579 go with the 7 .5s. You're going with the quarter 00:27:10.579 --> 00:27:18.619 points. I am going with the quarter points. Woodsman 00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:21.019 Axes out of 5. That's my match. Not Birdhouses. 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.940 What's that? Not the Birdhouses. Not Birdhouses, 00:27:23.059 --> 00:27:25.380 no. That's a good one, though, too. Yeah, Klaus. 00:27:26.140 --> 00:27:28.900 Good Christmas flag. Mitchell, that brings us 00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:32.140 to you over there. What did you watch, and how 00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:35.160 did you feel about it? All right, so truth be 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.759 told, this has been a very long week for me. 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.680 We're in the middle of a long show, so I've been 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.279 very busy at work. And then yesterday I moved 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.359 Kelly from Brooklyn to, you know, middle of butt 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.720 fuck Connecticut. Still great news. Yay. Congrats 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.220 on that. Exciting stuff in the personal life 00:27:52.220 --> 00:27:55.079 story. So truth be told, all I watched this week 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.460 was re -watching scenes of Mank, Instagram, and 00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:01.059 TikTok. That is the three media consumptions 00:28:01.059 --> 00:28:03.720 that I've been doing this week. Okay. So for 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.359 movies, I'm actually going all the way back to 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.480 August, where I watched one of the best movies 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.339 of all time. Just kidding. It's one of my favorite 00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:14.259 documentaries of the year. It is All Boys State, 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.559 and it is an A24 movie that came out through 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.480 Apple TV over the summer. So not a lot of people 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.279 have seen it yet. Apple TV, I think, has quietly 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.519 curated quite a list of really, really, really 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.779 good content. At the end of the day... It's not 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:32.559 The Mandalorian. It's not anything like that. 00:28:32.660 --> 00:28:35.099 So not a lot of people have it yet. But I would 00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:38.359 recommend this movie in particular. So Boys State 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.380 is a documentary that took place back in 2018. 00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:45.059 It premiered at Sundance this year. And I believe 00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:48.619 it took the top prize for documentaries. Nice. 00:28:49.099 --> 00:28:53.019 Yeah, I mean, it's a fantastic watch. It is about 00:28:53.019 --> 00:28:57.460 a thing that happens every single summer in every 00:28:57.460 --> 00:29:00.299 single state. This one in particular in Texas. 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:04.279 Now, Boys State as a program is an event where 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.880 thousands of people between their junior and 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.299 senior years of high school go to their state's 00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:14.880 capital and basically conduct themselves for 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:19.029 one entire week as a mock government. They do 00:29:19.029 --> 00:29:21.509 everything from drafting legislation. They have 00:29:21.509 --> 00:29:23.890 a group of people who volunteer to be the political 00:29:23.890 --> 00:29:27.009 reporters. And then at the very end of the week, 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:29.849 it builds up to the moment where everyone collectively 00:29:29.849 --> 00:29:33.250 decides who gets to be governor. So you have 00:29:33.250 --> 00:29:36.089 this huge election at the end of the week. It 00:29:36.089 --> 00:29:38.269 happens in California. It happens all across 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:42.369 the US. But the reason why the documentary filmmakers 00:29:42.369 --> 00:29:46.730 chose Texas, specifically in 2018, was because 00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:50.539 the year before, The Texas Boys' State of 2017 00:29:50.539 --> 00:29:54.240 made headlines because their group of thousands 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.859 of Texas boys decided for Texas to secede from 00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:02.319 the union. And they decided, you know what? If 00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:07.180 that is, in a way, a glimpse into the future 00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:10.160 of politics in this country, let's go down there 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.420 and try to grab it for the entire week. and see 00:30:14.420 --> 00:30:17.099 what we could find out. What's so interesting 00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:21.039 about Boys State as an actual organization, there 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:24.940 are so many folks who have gone on to have outstanding 00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:28.980 careers in politics or media otherwise who have 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:31.779 done this program. It's so crazy that I haven't 00:30:31.779 --> 00:30:34.619 heard about it before. The guy who immediately 00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:41.319 comes to mind is Cory Booker. Basically, the 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.849 documentary follows I think three different boys, 00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:48.970 specifically, who identify with different politics. 00:30:49.529 --> 00:30:52.730 Texas is a state that is slowly growing more 00:30:52.730 --> 00:30:55.710 purple, and you can definitely see that in this 00:30:55.710 --> 00:31:00.589 film. So they basically have a guy who is very 00:31:00.589 --> 00:31:05.710 much a beet -red Republican, lists Ben Shapiro 00:31:05.710 --> 00:31:08.890 and Ronald Reagan as his idols, and he is the 00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:12.089 strategist on what would end up being the conservative 00:31:12.089 --> 00:31:15.839 party. in this particular boy state and then 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.400 on the other side you have this amazingly charismatic 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:24.599 figure who figured i mean he's a kid but he comes 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.140 from you know his family immigrated to the u 00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:32.240 .s relatively recently he is very much an obama 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:36.680 era democrat in terms of his world view and then 00:31:37.230 --> 00:31:39.589 That side of the camp is built around him and 00:31:39.589 --> 00:31:42.710 more so based on his charisma, which is crazy 00:31:42.710 --> 00:31:46.029 to think about because, you know, this is a 16, 00:31:46.089 --> 00:31:49.430 17 -year -old kid. How does his magnetism even 00:31:49.430 --> 00:31:51.529 realize at that point? But somehow it really 00:31:51.529 --> 00:31:54.869 is. And it feels very authentic, especially in 00:31:54.869 --> 00:31:58.309 this whirlwind summer camp environment where 00:31:58.309 --> 00:32:01.210 everyone becomes everyone's best friends in such 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:04.240 a short amount of time. So that is basically 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.279 your two pronged race. And then you have all 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:11.099 these great side characters who are building 00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:14.220 towards this election for winning the governorship. 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.839 That's ultimately what it comes down to. It's 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.759 very competitive. You can feel the male testosterone 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.000 on both sides. Right. Also, you definitely get 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.539 an amazing glimpse at young people realizing. 00:32:29.470 --> 00:32:31.890 how politics are actually played. So there's 00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:37.049 this one kid who joins the party on what ends 00:32:37.049 --> 00:32:39.769 up being the more liberal party. So basically, 00:32:39.809 --> 00:32:42.990 they set up two camps. They're not Democrats 00:32:42.990 --> 00:32:45.490 or Republicans. They have different names. And 00:32:45.490 --> 00:32:47.390 then over the course of the week, they identify 00:32:47.390 --> 00:32:49.269 what their politics are, what their platforms 00:32:49.269 --> 00:32:53.390 are. There's one kid who is more of the customary 00:32:53.390 --> 00:32:55.789 politician, I would say, like good -looking politician. 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.759 You know, he's a high school quarterback, gray 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.960 hair. He already has his boys around him. So 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.119 he has a group. And he was basically running 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.180 on platforms and ideas, not because he believed 00:33:08.180 --> 00:33:10.380 in them, but because he thought that that would 00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:13.460 tap into that particular party and that he would 00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:16.960 get the nomination to run as governor. And over 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.200 time, you know, over the course of two days, 00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:21.339 he realized, oh, wait, that's not that's not 00:33:21.339 --> 00:33:23.960 true. Because the kid who was charismatic and 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.509 had this. authentic story ends up winning and 00:33:27.509 --> 00:33:30.509 um winning the nomination i should say yeah and 00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:35.269 um it is such a great look at a kid who's realizing 00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:38.630 oh my goodness like uh there's only so much you 00:33:38.630 --> 00:33:40.710 could placate there's only so much that you could 00:33:40.710 --> 00:33:44.210 actually uh you know put out there as you know 00:33:44.210 --> 00:33:47.170 that as real and when it's actually not yet you 00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:50.259 have to give people more credit And a lot of 00:33:50.259 --> 00:33:52.400 the confessional interviews that are done throughout 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.000 this documentary are just so eye -opening and 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.359 crazy. Anyway, so it all builds up to the election, 00:33:58.579 --> 00:34:01.420 which is such an emotional moment for both the 00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:05.559 kids who ran. And I absolutely loved it. I absolutely 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.440 loved it. Do I identify with any of the, you 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.760 know, or I should say half of the politics in 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.000 it? Absolutely not. I think some of the stuff 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.840 was... pretty sickening to say, like, oh, wow, 00:34:16.940 --> 00:34:21.320 this is really what some people believe. But 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.840 over the course of the movie, you realize how 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.559 smart and talented all these kids are. All these 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.440 kids. You know, I don't want to spoil the ending 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.199 or anything, but basically the strategy of politics 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.050 ends up being the thing that wins the day. In 00:34:42.050 --> 00:34:46.670 a very poignant moment, you realize, okay, this 00:34:46.670 --> 00:34:50.429 is, in a very small microcosm, how politics plays 00:34:50.429 --> 00:34:53.010 out in D .C. as well. And I guess that's kind 00:34:53.010 --> 00:34:57.909 of the point in Boys State. So this is an airtight 00:34:57.909 --> 00:35:01.230 movie, an hour 40 minutes. It's edited very well. 00:35:01.429 --> 00:35:04.670 The documentarians, when they were doing their 00:35:04.670 --> 00:35:07.659 pre -interviews to essentially cast who... of 00:35:07.659 --> 00:35:09.480 the kids they wanted to follow in particular 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.840 did such a phenomenal job of not only picking 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.219 incredibly smart kids, also knowing that these 00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:19.099 were kids who were going to end up playing a 00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:21.059 huge role. Because again, there are thousands 00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:23.260 of people who attend this thing. Who knows, yeah. 00:35:23.699 --> 00:35:26.219 Yeah, you could easily just blend into the background 00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:29.840 and just go through the motions of the experience 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.460 and put it on your high school resume for college. 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.019 But they chose kids that were going to do something. 00:35:36.329 --> 00:35:39.130 And it was so much fun to watch. Nice. So it 00:35:39.130 --> 00:35:41.909 is called Boy State. It is currently on Apple 00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:44.690 TV. I'm not sure if there's another way to rent 00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:48.329 it. And it is produced by, you know, A24. So 00:35:48.329 --> 00:35:50.989 let me get my pretentious card in there. Always. 00:35:51.769 --> 00:35:54.630 Yeah. And it is by far one of the best movies 00:35:54.630 --> 00:35:57.050 that I've seen this year. Nice. Great. I'll have 00:35:57.050 --> 00:35:59.010 to check it out. Yeah, that sounds awesome. I 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:01.730 looked up a synopsis before we started talking 00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:03.329 about it because I had never heard of it. And 00:36:03.329 --> 00:36:06.949 it really... Sounded interesting. It was an interesting 00:36:06.949 --> 00:36:10.769 plot. So what would you give it then out of five? 00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:14.230 Yeah, I'm going to go four and a half out of 00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:18.030 five governors for this one. Really, because 00:36:18.030 --> 00:36:20.650 what it comes down to is this. I wish, because 00:36:20.650 --> 00:36:24.710 I majored in poli -sci in college. At that era 00:36:24.710 --> 00:36:27.670 for me, I would have been tripping over myself 00:36:27.670 --> 00:36:31.329 to try and get to Boy State, California. But 00:36:31.329 --> 00:36:34.679 then I... you know, continue to think about it. 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.420 And I'm like, these kids were so much smarter 00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:42.000 than I am. Like, I couldn't hold myself in conversation 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.000 with any of these guys. Anyway, very impressed 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.119 by it. Also, there is a girl state for those 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:52.980 wondering. I would argue that boy state because 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:56.699 of how testosterone driven and how competitive 00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:00.039 these dudes and honestly how dumb they end up 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.909 being in a lot of churches. Mixed for an entertaining 00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:05.750 movie where I'm looking at my sisters who are 00:37:05.750 --> 00:37:08.050 both very politically active despite not being 00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:11.750 a voting age yet. They are so by the rules and 00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:14.349 by quorum and stuff. I'm like, wow, that's how 00:37:14.349 --> 00:37:16.309 Girl State would work out. It was just polite. 00:37:17.130 --> 00:37:20.230 Orderly. There would be very minimal drama. They 00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:22.469 would pass bills that actually probably could 00:37:22.469 --> 00:37:24.349 get passed in real life. There would be drama. 00:37:24.469 --> 00:37:28.030 You just wouldn't. see it it would be uh subterfuge 00:37:28.030 --> 00:37:32.110 exactly they maybe wouldn't be so open with the 00:37:32.110 --> 00:37:35.429 documentarians but um yeah four and a half out 00:37:35.429 --> 00:37:37.650 of five governors highly recommend boy state 00:37:37.650 --> 00:37:39.090 yeah i need to check this out yeah i want to 00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:40.510 check that out it's kind of reassuring knowing 00:37:40.510 --> 00:37:42.349 that at the end of it it was the pot like the 00:37:42.349 --> 00:37:44.630 it was still the politician's game it wasn't 00:37:44.630 --> 00:37:46.889 like you you can be a young upstart with no political 00:37:46.889 --> 00:37:50.570 anything and ride in on your bandwagon with your 00:37:50.570 --> 00:37:53.110 horns blasting yeah i don't know music you didn't 00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:54.670 like i feel like there's also some senate in 00:37:54.670 --> 00:37:56.050 the Sounds like there's also some cynicism to 00:37:56.050 --> 00:37:57.230 that, you know what I mean? If you just play 00:37:57.230 --> 00:37:58.809 the game, whether you believe in what you're 00:37:58.809 --> 00:38:00.789 saying or not. Yeah, and I mean, that's politics. 00:38:01.389 --> 00:38:04.969 Depending on the type of politician you are, 00:38:05.010 --> 00:38:06.369 you're going to either say what you really feel, 00:38:06.510 --> 00:38:08.510 or you're going to say what your party aligns 00:38:08.510 --> 00:38:10.909 with, and throw in your own charisma, or hey, 00:38:10.989 --> 00:38:12.869 if you don't have charisma, you can literally 00:38:12.869 --> 00:38:16.329 be a hand puppet. Yeah, and I think the kids 00:38:16.329 --> 00:38:18.909 gravitated towards authenticity, which is great, 00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:21.150 but then what ends up winning the governorship, 00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:25.699 it is a complete campaign game. You know, it's 00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:27.519 never the best politics that wins. It's the best 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.519 campaign. And the kids of the party who realized 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.460 this early or early on were the ones who end 00:38:34.460 --> 00:38:36.639 up winning, which I think is pretty telling and 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.360 very true to real life politics. Interesting. 00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:43.340 OK. It's a very interesting movie. We're going 00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:46.099 to go to a not -so -interesting movie. Bring 00:38:46.099 --> 00:38:47.300 it back to Christmas. But I'm interested in hearing 00:38:47.300 --> 00:38:49.219 about it. Yeah, we're bringing it back to Christmas. 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.440 The challenge was Yahtzee. I lost by three points. 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:55.820 Three points. Yeah, Mitchell, who technically 00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.519 was not here, so we all took turns rolling for 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.920 you. We rolled in his absence, and he was... 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.280 You were just on... You were killing it, dude. 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.300 Yeah, yeah, I crushed it. I am so... You know, 00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:10.800 I gotta... She didn't even roll for you. It was 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:15.199 us rotating each turn. It was shared. Literally, 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.400 so my turn. I've got to pick the collective Yahtzee 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.039 gods for Shining. That's true, yes. The Yahtzee 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.239 gods smiled upon you. Literally my turn when 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:24.719 I was trying for Yahtzee because that's one of 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.719 the few things I had left. I got close. I got 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.920 four out of five and was just like, okay, I'm 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.400 not going to get it. And then I rolled for you 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.420 because it was my turn to roll for you. And I'm 00:39:32.420 --> 00:39:34.380 like, you're going to get Yahtzee. Second roll, 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:38.579 Yahtzee. Knew it was going to happen. for getting 00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:42.059 Yahtzee, like, under three rolls? Is that a thing 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:44.119 or no? No. If not, I would have crushed that 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.199 because I got Yahtzee on my second roll. Yeah. 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:47.460 And it was fantastic. Because I feel like that's 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:49.059 a good thing. If you get Yahtzee on the first 00:39:49.059 --> 00:39:51.199 roll, that should be, like... Automatically done. 00:39:52.179 --> 00:39:54.460 You caught the snitch. That's the winner. Yeah, 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.019 exactly. You caught the snitch. I don't know. 00:39:56.699 --> 00:40:00.719 But, alright, so we digress. So I lost. I had 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.760 to see a movie. We decided that we would pick 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.099 Christmas movies, so you guys voted. We put it 00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:08.539 on our Twitter account, again, at GameForMovieP1. 00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:12.099 Thanks for voting. Yes, exactly. We also put 00:40:12.099 --> 00:40:14.420 it on our Instagram, at GameForMoviePodcast. 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:18.139 You can follow us wherever. All the platforms. 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.800 The choice that it really came down to was between 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.000 Santa Claus Conquers the Martians and Jack Frost. 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.699 And Jack Frost won. So we're going to talk about 00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:32.159 Jack Frost. Yep. Which one is this? Is this the 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.960 family -friendly 1990s one? This is not the Michael 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.519 Keaton family -friendly one. That's what it is. 00:40:37.539 --> 00:40:40.139 Oh, okay. This is not that. All right. It's sad 00:40:40.139 --> 00:40:42.039 that I knew it was Michael Keaton even before. 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.579 I knew it was a Batman. I couldn't remember which 00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:46.719 Batman it was. Oh, yeah. So it was Michael Keaton 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.420 for that one. Can you imagine Christian Bale 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:50.159 and Jack Frost? Can you imagine George Clooney? 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.739 Jesus. Anyway, sorry. This one is the horror 00:40:53.739 --> 00:40:58.199 movie Jack Frost. Jack Frost is an infamous serial 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.719 killer that has been caught by the sheriff that 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.340 you learn later. And he is about to go get executed. 00:41:04.420 --> 00:41:07.159 But the execution place is obviously far away. 00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:11.539 And it is... What was the town name? Shoot, this 00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:13.500 was... What state is the state place in? It's 00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:16.179 in Canada. Do they have the death penalty there? 00:41:16.699 --> 00:41:20.840 Is this factually correct? Maybe not. But it 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.539 was a pun on a famous Canada city that was snow 00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:28.000 something. Snowdawa? Snowronto? Snowronto? No, 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.860 sorry, is that Lebronto? Sorry. Snowcouver? No, 00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:33.139 I don't think, but I can't remember which town. 00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:37.539 It might have been Snowtrial. Ew, that's the 00:41:37.539 --> 00:41:40.840 worst one that we came up with. Shut up. No, 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:42.159 no, great stuff. Let's do like a big name of 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.320 the thing. Okay. So we start with Jack Frost 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.659 is in a prison transport. He has a guard watching 00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:51.039 him in the back and then there's two driving. 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.820 And it's obviously snowing because it's snow 00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:57.260 Toronto or whatever the town name was because 00:41:57.260 --> 00:41:59.340 I can't remember. But it's snowing all the time. 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.280 The two guards are just like, is everything okay 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:07.340 back there? And Jack Frost literally is smoking 00:42:07.340 --> 00:42:10.059 a cigarette, stomping on the neck of the guard. 00:42:10.179 --> 00:42:12.980 Snowmanton. Snowmanton, that's it. It's Edmonton 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.119 with Snowmanton. Also, Canada does not have the 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.679 death penalty. Maybe he was being, it's a life 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.460 sentence then. I don't know. No, it says state 00:42:22.460 --> 00:42:27.099 execution right here. I have the synopsis. Well, 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.780 so he's about to get executed. All of a sudden, 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.420 the vehicle crashes, and it runs into a truck 00:42:35.420 --> 00:42:40.260 that starts shooting this goo at Jack Frost. 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.820 Goo? Yes, goo. Or, like, liquid or goo. Like, 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:44.780 what color goo? Like, extra Kool -Aid? Yeah, 00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:47.739 right. It's, like, bright white goo. Oh, that's 00:42:47.739 --> 00:42:50.139 the worst color you could have picked. That's 00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:53.199 Christmas. Okay. Well, his body starts, like, 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.860 melting. I don't see a goo. But he becomes part 00:42:57.860 --> 00:43:01.289 of the snow. Oh, it's like Sandman from Spider 00:43:01.289 --> 00:43:03.550 -Man. Okay, got it. Yes. Oh, but there's more. 00:43:03.829 --> 00:43:08.739 There's so, so much more. Um, so... Essentially, 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.000 the prison transport, the two cops now get murdered, 00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:14.559 and they're just, like, investigating. And the 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:18.099 sheriff becomes the main character. You hadn't 00:43:18.099 --> 00:43:20.260 met him yet. You didn't know what happened. He, 00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:22.840 like, stumbled across him. He's definition, like, 00:43:22.900 --> 00:43:25.679 bumbling sheriff. Oh, no. Because it's just a 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.099 small town. No murders ever happen here. But 00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:32.019 it just so happened to have Jack Frost. Turny, 00:43:32.019 --> 00:43:36.019 turny, turny. Exactly. he ended up catching him 00:43:36.019 --> 00:43:38.659 by accident almost, like catching him mid -act 00:43:38.659 --> 00:43:42.219 killing somebody. So they catch him, that's what 00:43:42.219 --> 00:43:46.460 starts it, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Jack Frost 00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:49.039 has sent him letters from his prison cell saying, 00:43:49.219 --> 00:43:52.139 no matter what, I'm going to get you. And so 00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:54.119 he's like having flashbacks and freaking out 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.380 because he doesn't know if his wife and kid are 00:43:56.380 --> 00:44:01.340 going to be killed by Jack Frost. So he learns 00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:05.050 that he never made it to execution. But he wasn't 00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:07.570 around when the prison vehicle crashed, so they 00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:10.809 just assume he's dead. All of a sudden, people 00:44:10.809 --> 00:44:13.409 start dying in his town. The small town where 00:44:13.409 --> 00:44:15.150 no one ever dies? The small town where no one 00:44:15.150 --> 00:44:17.389 ever dies. And so they're just like, it's gotta 00:44:17.389 --> 00:44:21.909 be Jack Frost. He's back. Not in Sleepy Snowminton. 00:44:22.949 --> 00:44:28.769 The first body to show up is a guy that's sitting 00:44:28.769 --> 00:44:32.839 in a rocking chair that's frozen to death. And 00:44:32.839 --> 00:44:34.360 everybody's just like, well, he could have just 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:36.539 froze. It's like a commentary on life right there. 00:44:36.619 --> 00:44:38.360 So wait, wait, wait. He kills people by freezing 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.179 them? No, he has different ways of killing different 00:44:41.179 --> 00:44:43.320 people. Okay, got it. He's like a Swiss Army 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.900 knife. Multi -purpose Jack Frost. We'll get into 00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:47.639 some of the fun ones. Okay, yes, I'm sure. Okay, 00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:48.800 yeah, sorry. I'm getting ahead of myself. There 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.099 better be puns. Are there puns in this? Oh! We 00:44:51.099 --> 00:44:54.039 were in fucking Snowminton. I bet there's puns. 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.320 It's one pun. Okay. Every snowman Jack Frost 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.500 line. is a pun. So Arnold Schwarzenegger is Mr. 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.559 Freeze with slush. Yes. It's time to kick some 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.360 ice. It's ice to meet you. It sucks. There's 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:18.000 snow way out. Oh, it's bad. Yay. So my main problem 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.760 with this movie is the line delivery. I don't 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.760 care about Jack Frost's line delivery because 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.840 it's supposed to be like cheesy one -liners. 00:45:25.860 --> 00:45:29.139 Fine. Don't care. Whatever. It's the rest of 00:45:29.139 --> 00:45:31.679 the people because they have two moods. It's 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:36.559 either nonchalant or hysterical. And it's different 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.000 kinds of hysterical, but it's hysterical. So, 00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:42.320 like, there's a part where they get stuck without 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.739 the keys to open the window because the window 00:45:45.739 --> 00:45:48.500 is locked. And so the woman's just like, oh, 00:45:48.539 --> 00:45:51.659 no, it's locked. And literally five seconds later, 00:45:51.820 --> 00:45:55.460 where are your keys? And it's, like, over the 00:45:55.460 --> 00:45:58.809 top. It's two lines back to back. Okay. And, 00:45:58.869 --> 00:46:02.090 like, it's literally just nonchalant or hysterical. 00:46:02.090 --> 00:46:04.349 That is the line delivery. So you're saying the 00:46:04.349 --> 00:46:05.989 direction could have been a little bit stronger. 00:46:06.130 --> 00:46:09.769 I need to make a gif of your... Yeah, right. 00:46:09.949 --> 00:46:15.250 Arms flailing. So, like, the first one that happens, 00:46:15.369 --> 00:46:19.150 obviously, the freeze guy. Jack Frost wants to 00:46:19.150 --> 00:46:22.880 get revenge on the sheriff. He goes to the sheriff's 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.239 house and kills somebody else first before he 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.380 actually kills the sheriff. And he had so many 00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:30.639 opportunities where they didn't know he was a 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.059 snowman. Where they could kill the sheriff, be 00:46:34.059 --> 00:46:37.039 done, go on, move on. So the villain's name was 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.780 Jack Frost before? Yes. Okay. Yes, it was Jack 00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:41.440 Frost before he became a snowman. And what does 00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.460 he look like? Paint a picture with your words. 00:46:44.090 --> 00:46:46.489 Of the human or the snowman? The snow -human 00:46:46.489 --> 00:46:49.650 hybrid. No, it's a snowman. Like, it's 100 % 00:46:49.650 --> 00:46:51.809 a snowman. And it doesn't have a face at first, 00:46:51.909 --> 00:46:55.269 but the sheriff's kid puts on a carrot nose and 00:46:55.269 --> 00:46:57.469 the black eyes and everything like that. Oh, 00:46:57.710 --> 00:47:01.110 okay. Jolly. It's not... Yeah, it's not good. 00:47:02.170 --> 00:47:04.670 So, literally, there's, like, parts where he 00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:07.949 shoots icicles out of his hands. Ooh. But the 00:47:07.949 --> 00:47:13.530 issue also with it is it is obviously a model. 00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:17.150 Because it does not move. Okay. So, like, when 00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:20.150 he shoots the icicles, they'll put this arm a 00:47:20.150 --> 00:47:23.690 little forward. Oh, no. And this arm... So it's 00:47:23.690 --> 00:47:25.730 like stop motion without the in -between frames, 00:47:25.829 --> 00:47:27.510 basically? Exactly. Okay. Did they make a little 00:47:27.510 --> 00:47:31.210 pew -pew? They did not. It was just like... But 00:47:31.210 --> 00:47:35.349 there's that. He froze some girl that's in a 00:47:35.349 --> 00:47:38.800 bathtub. Because... Water. Because murder. Okay. 00:47:38.820 --> 00:47:41.119 Because murder. Okay. Yeah, right. So why is 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.179 Jack Frost, why is he murdering people? Because 00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:47.000 he's a serial killer. That's it. That's it? He's 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.300 just an evil human being. Okay. Slash snowman. 00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:52.179 Okay, got it. He gets his snowballs off. Yeah. 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.179 He's killed like 30 people. You're really happy 00:47:54.179 --> 00:47:57.829 with that one, aren't you? All right, cool. We 00:47:57.829 --> 00:48:00.929 don't pun well, okay? No, it was great fun. He 00:48:00.929 --> 00:48:03.570 killed like 30 people while a human. Okay, got 00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:06.289 it. So he's just looking to add on to the body 00:48:06.289 --> 00:48:08.230 count of his career. Okay, I guess that makes 00:48:08.230 --> 00:48:10.309 sense. Sure. There's all these different people 00:48:10.309 --> 00:48:12.670 that are a part of this. They have two agents 00:48:12.670 --> 00:48:16.250 come from the FBI. They're not really FBI. One 00:48:16.250 --> 00:48:19.869 of them is really a scientist who's excited because 00:48:19.869 --> 00:48:23.639 his experiment worked. His experiment was transferring 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.260 the soul of someone to a different being. Wow, 00:48:27.260 --> 00:48:30.199 so this is like Ghost in the Shell, bro. A little 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.139 bit, yeah. Whoa! It's funny you brought this 00:48:32.139 --> 00:48:36.059 up. But he's like, oh my god, his soul lived 00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:38.139 on. We were just trying to bring memories back. 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.739 But he remembers who he was, and now he's a snowman. 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:46.019 Because Olaf said, water has memory. Yes. Um, 00:48:46.099 --> 00:48:48.860 he can melt himself on command and then reshape 00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:51.219 himself so he can get through doors and stuff. 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.599 That's pretty cool. Um, the only thing that, 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.840 he can only be killed when he's in a snowman 00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:01.489 form. Naturally. Okay. And, um... I think the 00:49:01.489 --> 00:49:03.989 best part is they realize they can, like, melt 00:49:03.989 --> 00:49:06.650 him. So they get him stuck in, like, a furnace. 00:49:06.650 --> 00:49:08.449 Is there, like, a big revelation scene? Like, 00:49:08.510 --> 00:49:11.670 oh, he's weak to fire because he's made of fucking 00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:15.469 snow. Oh, yes. It's like this girl grabs a hairdryer 00:49:15.469 --> 00:49:17.909 and shoots him with the hairdryer. And he starts, 00:49:17.909 --> 00:49:20.030 like, melting. And they're like, oh, get him 00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:23.309 in the furnace. And they, like, they blow hairdryers 00:49:23.309 --> 00:49:26.630 at him that they just have on hand. That's genius. 00:49:27.010 --> 00:49:29.099 Who would have thought? They burn him into the 00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:31.719 furnace. Okay. So they're like, yes, day is saved. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.900 Very hocus pocus, but I like it. But the FBI 00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:36.139 agents are just like, I don't know, it doesn't 00:49:36.139 --> 00:49:39.239 feel safe. And all of a sudden the furnace starts 00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.900 leaking. And then Jack Frost is back and he kills 00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:47.599 the agent. And then he, like the scientist, he 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.239 just like forces himself down the mouth of the 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.159 scientist. What? Oh. Like melted into the mouth 00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:54.699 of the scientist. Yeah, yeah. So the scientist 00:49:54.699 --> 00:49:57.139 walks out towards the sheriff and he's just like. 00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:00.960 Oh, is it like a Men in Black kind of thing? 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.260 Like, where he's, like, the alien that's inhabiting 00:50:03.260 --> 00:50:04.800 the bot farmer's body? Yeah, a little bit, but, 00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.320 like, he's, like, got this growth in his neck, 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.880 and it's, like, obvious that there's something 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.780 wrong with him. And the sheriff's just like, 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.360 you okay? Oh, fuck it. And then he jumps out 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:19.059 of the body. The body falls over, and it's just, 00:50:19.099 --> 00:50:25.139 it's Jack Frost! Oh, no! How does it end? Well, 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:33.730 it ends. A little bit, yes. It ends when... So 00:50:33.730 --> 00:50:36.989 the sheriff's son gives him this trail mix. Because 00:50:36.989 --> 00:50:40.289 he's like, dad's going to be hungry. Okay. And 00:50:40.289 --> 00:50:44.789 the dad somehow grabs the trail mix and throws 00:50:44.789 --> 00:50:47.989 it at him. And it starts to melt the snowman. 00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:52.909 Because of the salt? No. The kid put antifreeze 00:50:52.909 --> 00:50:58.440 in the... What? in the trail mix because he was 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.139 afraid his dad would get cold and so he didn't 00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:02.880 want him to freeze. Oh my god, the kid could 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.900 have killed his dad. Yeah, his dad would have 00:51:04.900 --> 00:51:07.659 fucking died. So then they realize though, because 00:51:07.659 --> 00:51:11.739 his head's like half melted off. antifreeze that's 00:51:11.739 --> 00:51:14.199 the answer that's literally how they come oh 00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:17.579 maybe this movie's one big commercial for antifreeze 00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:21.039 what no there's no way they would have said like 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.480 oh yeah let's have this movie depict a character 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.300 attempting to put antifreeze in food innocently 00:51:26.300 --> 00:51:28.719 putting it in food that's no no it's not good 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.300 the sheriff has the store owner go to the store 00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:33.800 to pick up all the antifreeze he can and fill 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.619 the truck bed okay it's weird that it took that 00:51:37.289 --> 00:51:39.329 A series of events to realize that antifreeze 00:51:39.329 --> 00:51:41.449 could also help. Did you not get the part where 00:51:41.449 --> 00:51:42.949 they realize that heat can kill Snowman? Right, 00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:44.670 that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like, okay. 00:51:44.809 --> 00:51:47.329 Remember, I told you, the main character, blundering 00:51:47.329 --> 00:51:51.210 sheriff. Okay, fair enough. Like, probably barely 00:51:51.210 --> 00:51:52.789 passed through police academy. This dude doesn't 00:51:52.789 --> 00:51:55.050 play enough. This dude got the job because he 00:51:55.050 --> 00:51:56.530 was just the right person at the right time. 00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:58.170 This dude doesn't play enough Pokemon. I mean, 00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:00.510 seriously. Everyone knows Firebeats. I think 00:52:00.510 --> 00:52:02.289 he plays Pokemon. Yeah, I mean, this probably 00:52:02.289 --> 00:52:04.090 takes place. This was made, like, what, 97 or 00:52:04.090 --> 00:52:06.639 whatever? I don't know. Yeah, so before Pokemon. 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.780 So we'll come to a break. So the sheriffs are 00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:12.880 like, all right, I'm going to distract him. You 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.219 get the antifreeze in the truck bed, and I'll 00:52:15.219 --> 00:52:17.400 meet you back at this point in five minutes. 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.420 Yeah, that doesn't happen. It's six minutes, 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.139 so he's, like, freaking out. But Jack Frost, 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.219 like, pins him against the wall and has, like, 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:28.039 an icicle in his side. And, like, it's going 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.219 through him, and you're just like, oh, no. And 00:52:30.219 --> 00:52:35.199 he goes, hey, Jack. take this and he like tackles 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.760 him through a window into the truck bed with 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.719 the antifreeze and it's just like sheriff on 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.880 top of jack frost like drowning him in oh jesus 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.760 okay and yeah weird question how bloody is this 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.800 movie so the icicle was in his side like was 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:52.159 it like it's not like like yeah but like you 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.239 know there's a lot of there's some gore this 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.559 is like a c horror film yeah there's some gore 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.579 um there's like one where he kills this woman 00:52:58.579 --> 00:53:01.480 by making her a christmas tree So he, like, wraps 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.460 her in lights and garland, stabs the star in 00:53:05.460 --> 00:53:08.739 her head, and then smashes her head against ornaments. 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:10.820 So, like, the ornaments are, like, stuck in her 00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:13.079 face. Jesus. That's actually pretty brutal. Yeah, 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:16.719 it's brutal. It's a rated R movie. Creative fatality. 00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:19.119 Okay, so it is rated R. Yeah, it is rated R. 00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:20.940 I guarantee it just because of the amount of 00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:25.199 times they say fuck. Right. But that being said, 00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.269 like, there's gruesome murders, too. So they 00:53:29.269 --> 00:53:31.489 save the day with antifreeze and then all of 00:53:31.489 --> 00:53:33.449 a sudden they're like filling the antifreeze 00:53:33.449 --> 00:53:36.070 back in bottles and you see like there's one 00:53:36.070 --> 00:53:38.590 that's like a glass and so you see all of a sudden 00:53:38.590 --> 00:53:43.349 something starts to like form into a snowball 00:53:43.349 --> 00:53:47.050 and you're like oh no the end question mark. 00:53:47.570 --> 00:53:51.610 But it's antifreeze how can it form? If we don't 00:53:51.610 --> 00:53:54.909 know. Actually, we do know. There's a Jack Frost 00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:58.869 2. No. Naturally, you need to complete the journey. 00:53:58.909 --> 00:54:03.250 No, I do not. I do not at all. I'm so happy you 00:54:03.250 --> 00:54:06.070 watched this movie. I've heard of it. I've never... 00:54:07.630 --> 00:54:10.809 sat down to watch it the amount of time i laughed 00:54:10.809 --> 00:54:13.369 at this movie versus like just actually listening 00:54:13.369 --> 00:54:15.829 to what they're saying yeah there's a guy and 00:54:15.829 --> 00:54:17.829 a girl that are like teenagers that are like 00:54:17.829 --> 00:54:20.070 looking to get frisky and they decide to go into 00:54:20.070 --> 00:54:22.610 the sheriff's house and that's why they get murdered 00:54:22.610 --> 00:54:25.010 because jack frost is obviously at the sheriff's 00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:30.050 house yep so yeah it's um it's terrible um Okay, 00:54:30.070 --> 00:54:32.170 but honestly, the way you've described it, I 00:54:32.170 --> 00:54:34.369 feel like I could get... Yeah, right. I feel 00:54:34.369 --> 00:54:35.929 like I could get very drunk and watch this and 00:54:35.929 --> 00:54:37.590 have a good time. I think you could watch it 00:54:37.590 --> 00:54:40.690 drunk off your ass. Okay. Yeah, but you need 00:54:40.690 --> 00:54:42.690 to be drunk off your ass. I was pretty sober. 00:54:43.469 --> 00:54:45.909 Gotcha. And so it's just... You didn't feel that 00:54:45.909 --> 00:54:48.210 extra warmth of joy that a little booze could 00:54:48.210 --> 00:54:50.469 have brought to the party. Yeah. And, like, so 00:54:50.469 --> 00:54:52.369 the scene where they're wondering about the keys, 00:54:52.449 --> 00:54:54.949 they're in the jail cell, and they're, like, 00:54:54.989 --> 00:54:58.070 they have aerosol cans going to try to make it 00:54:58.070 --> 00:55:00.489 hot in there. And so, like, the sheriff realizes 00:55:00.489 --> 00:55:02.489 his keys are left in the door on the other side 00:55:02.489 --> 00:55:05.190 of the hallway that's leaking water. Obviously, 00:55:05.289 --> 00:55:07.489 Jack Frost is coming in. They need to get to 00:55:07.489 --> 00:55:09.670 the window on this side, so he has to go back 00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:12.110 in. So he, like, puts the shirt over his face 00:55:12.110 --> 00:55:14.389 and is like, uh -huh -huh, uh -huh -huh -huh. 00:55:15.610 --> 00:55:17.670 And then he finally gets there and Jack Frost 00:55:17.670 --> 00:55:20.110 grabs him through it, but he still gets the keys 00:55:20.110 --> 00:55:25.340 somehow. It's rough. Are you happy that you watched 00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:28.079 this and not some of the other options that were 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:29.619 possible? No, I think I would have had more fun 00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:33.219 with Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. It's 00:55:33.219 --> 00:55:35.079 definitely quite a title. At least that has a 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.059 fun little tidbit about it's the first media 00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:40.400 to use Mrs. Claus. That's pretty cool. That would 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:44.219 have been fun. I give it half a snowman out of... 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.400 Five. Yeah. Sounds like it could have conveyed 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:49.559 its themes about the edges of definition of human 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.300 consciousness just a little bit better. Exactly. 00:55:51.659 --> 00:55:54.679 But it brings me to the other bad media I watched 00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.239 this week, which you guys don't know about. I 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.340 have a surprise little extra review, because 00:56:00.340 --> 00:56:03.219 I watched two bad movies this week. I watched 00:56:03.219 --> 00:56:06.380 the 15 -minute mini -movie A Recipe for Seduction. 00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:11.059 Oh, God. It's the KFC Christmas movie. Damn it! 00:56:11.059 --> 00:56:13.800 Oh, it was terrible. Damn it, Colonel Sanders. 00:56:14.339 --> 00:56:16.440 If you don't know about this movie, it was a 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:19.239 15 minute mini movie on Lifetime that was about 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:23.480 Harlan Sanders getting it on. With his chicken. 00:56:23.860 --> 00:56:30.179 No, no, with a woman. Oh my. Jesus. It was like 00:56:30.179 --> 00:56:33.599 a melodramatic love story where this woman is 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:37.960 engaged to this guy and obviously he's a douchebag. 00:56:38.179 --> 00:56:41.059 And Harlan Sanders just became the new chef at 00:56:41.059 --> 00:56:43.679 their house. And it's played by Mario Lopez, 00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:48.519 which is awful. Also, I don't know if his name 00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:51.960 is Harlan or Harland because different characters 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.860 say it differently. D is either silent or not. 00:56:56.570 --> 00:56:59.030 The fiance wants to, like, keep the woman, but 00:56:59.030 --> 00:57:00.670 she's, like, falling in love with the cook. And 00:57:00.670 --> 00:57:02.690 he's like, I've got this secret recipe that will 00:57:02.690 --> 00:57:05.170 save our souls and blah, blah, blah. Like, I've 00:57:05.170 --> 00:57:07.070 got this secret recipe that will pay for the 00:57:07.070 --> 00:57:11.170 rest of our days. And it's obviously, like, store 00:57:11.170 --> 00:57:13.449 -bought chicken on the table that's, like, KFC 00:57:13.449 --> 00:57:17.050 chicken. But, like, the mom's planning against 00:57:17.050 --> 00:57:20.329 her. It's terrible. It's awful. Zero out of five 00:57:20.329 --> 00:57:24.210 chicken. What was the worst? Do you remember 00:57:24.210 --> 00:57:27.369 any bad lines in particular? I think it's not 00:57:27.369 --> 00:57:29.050 a bad line, but it's actually kind of funny. 00:57:29.210 --> 00:57:34.769 The evil douche calls him a crouton. He's like, 00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:39.590 don't call me a crouton. It's terrible. That 00:57:39.590 --> 00:57:43.039 would make me laugh. crouton. I think I might 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:44.900 call somebody a crouton. Yeah, right. Yeah, I 00:57:44.900 --> 00:57:46.440 feel like I'm just going to use that on somebody 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.699 at some point. You dried piece of bread, you. 00:57:48.699 --> 00:57:51.019 Yeah, right. Exactly. Still call me a crouton. 00:57:51.340 --> 00:57:53.639 But yeah, that got zero stars. A little bundle 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:55.219 of empty calories. Do you think there'll be a 00:57:55.219 --> 00:57:58.400 sequel, like part two of the story? Dude, KFC's 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.079 fucking marketing. I think enough people watched 00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.519 it. Yeah, I do. Especially because it's on the 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:06.340 internet for free. Their views are just going 00:58:06.340 --> 00:58:08.900 up and up. God damn it. I'm just kind of upset 00:58:08.900 --> 00:58:11.039 that this is working. Because Lou doesn't love 00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.199 trash. Fifty Shades of Grey can attest to this. 00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:16.760 Trash? No. This is kind of like back when Burger 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.829 King made those videos. xbox video games whatever 00:58:19.829 --> 00:58:22.030 like sneaking or whatever you know like yeah 00:58:22.030 --> 00:58:23.530 they were like breakfast king breakfast king 00:58:23.530 --> 00:58:25.730 sneak yeah right what was the other king i forget 00:58:25.730 --> 00:58:27.949 what it was but whatever there's a bunch of xbox 00:58:27.949 --> 00:58:30.650 games that you got it was a free disc you got 00:58:30.650 --> 00:58:33.050 if you ordered a meal there or something i will 00:58:33.050 --> 00:58:38.170 say so at the end of the day It just took itself 00:58:38.170 --> 00:58:41.010 way too seriously. That is not what I thought 00:58:41.010 --> 00:58:43.769 I was hearing. I thought, especially with Mario, 00:58:43.829 --> 00:58:45.909 no offense to Mario Lopez, he seems like a pretty 00:58:45.909 --> 00:58:49.429 self -aware humor guy. If they had more lines 00:58:49.429 --> 00:58:51.789 like the crouton line, it'd be fine. But the 00:58:51.789 --> 00:58:55.349 thing is way too seriously. It's like, you can't 00:58:55.349 --> 00:58:57.650 marry him, or you can't leave with the colonel. 00:58:57.670 --> 00:59:00.989 He doesn't have money. He has money. He can prepare 00:59:00.989 --> 00:59:03.570 you for life. And meanwhile, dude's having an 00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:06.519 affair with the mom. Ew. Whoa. Yeah, it goes 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.280 way over the edge. No offense to women who go 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.840 be with younger men, but... Fine! Decorum. Don't 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.219 try to make them marry your daughter. Like, that's... 00:59:16.219 --> 00:59:18.920 I don't care if you're having an affair with 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:20.639 a younger man. Is she rooting for the marriage 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.079 to work out, too? It's kind of strange. It's 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.280 very strange. It's weird. It's very weird. So, 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.260 finger -lickin' not good. Finger -lickin' not 00:59:27.260 --> 00:59:29.519 good. Wow, nice one. Thank you. Got him. Yeah. 00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:34.309 Yeah, it's... Amazing. Yeah. 15 minutes of your 00:59:34.309 --> 00:59:36.989 life you will never get back. You're pulling 00:59:36.989 --> 00:59:38.369 double duty on watching the two bad movies. Did 00:59:38.369 --> 00:59:42.710 it make you want to go get KFC? No. You're talking 00:59:42.710 --> 00:59:44.530 to the guy that saw Supersize Me and went to 00:59:44.530 --> 00:59:47.989 McDonald's afterwards. He felt inspired by the 00:59:47.989 --> 00:59:51.550 journey. Yeah, exactly. I've seen Supersize Me 00:59:51.550 --> 00:59:53.969 and then went to McDonald's. I did not watch 00:59:53.969 --> 00:59:56.730 this and say I wanted KFC. Mostly because there's 00:59:56.730 --> 00:59:59.530 only one real instance of the chicken and it's 00:59:59.530 --> 01:00:01.789 at the very beginning. The very beginning when 01:00:01.789 --> 01:00:03.570 they announce he's the new chef, he's made a 01:00:03.570 --> 01:00:06.090 chicken dinner. And then the rest of the way 01:00:06.090 --> 01:00:08.389 is just, I've got a secret recipe for success. 01:00:08.489 --> 01:00:11.590 That's it. And it's not like bringing up chicken. 01:00:12.250 --> 01:00:16.250 But yeah. All right. We're going to go now, since 01:00:16.250 --> 01:00:18.630 it's a special holiday edition of this episode. 01:00:18.769 --> 01:00:21.250 Holiday news. That's right. We are going to do 01:00:21.250 --> 01:00:26.050 our top five holiday movies. Okay. Each of us 01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:27.869 will go around the room and we'll make fun of 01:00:27.869 --> 01:00:31.099 the rest for what they choose. Well, damn. Well, 01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:33.440 yeah. So, Andre, you're on the clock. Oh, shit. 01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:35.059 It's me? All right, cool. I scrambled this together 01:00:35.059 --> 01:00:37.380 at the last second because I only have a very 01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.679 select few childhood movies that I super love, 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:41.559 so I'll just do these in no particular order. 01:00:42.019 --> 01:00:44.019 Honestly, Rudolph the Red -Nosed Reindeer, the 01:00:44.019 --> 01:00:46.500 classic. It's 45 minutes long, so I don't know 01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:48.659 if it counts as a full. It counts. Yeah, I think 01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:50.380 it counts. Yeah, I think it counts. Cool. All 01:00:50.380 --> 01:00:52.429 right. Great. It's a movie. It's not like a TV 01:00:52.429 --> 01:00:54.849 show. Right. It's not like a series, but very 01:00:54.849 --> 01:00:56.949 fond of my childhood. This is not Rugrats Babies 01:00:56.949 --> 01:00:59.329 in Toyland. It's true. Right. It's a great... 01:00:59.329 --> 01:01:01.590 Rudolph the Red -Nosed Reindeer. Classic. Right? 01:01:01.650 --> 01:01:04.070 Okay. Untouchable in my opinion. What order are 01:01:04.070 --> 01:01:06.289 you going in? This is random. This is just random. 01:01:06.570 --> 01:01:08.889 Except for one clear winner, and I'll say that 01:01:08.889 --> 01:01:10.329 at the end, I guess. Everything else is at the 01:01:10.329 --> 01:01:12.030 same level. How about that? Keep it going. How 01:01:12.030 --> 01:01:13.670 the Grinch Stole Christmas. I mean, I know we 01:01:13.670 --> 01:01:16.030 have this... Animated or live action? Animated. 01:01:16.030 --> 01:01:18.099 What the fuck? You need to clarify. No, I love 01:01:18.099 --> 01:01:19.980 Benedict Cumberbatch's performance so much. Okay, 01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.900 but you still need to clarify. There's also Jim 01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:24.360 Carrey. Oh, that's true. I mean, okay, I would 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.840 take Jim Carrey over Cumberbatch. I haven't seen 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:28.059 the Cumberbatch movie, actually. I can't really 01:01:28.059 --> 01:01:30.460 say that. It's passable. But I mean, like, the 01:01:30.460 --> 01:01:32.760 original animated, you know. My brain didn't 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:34.780 die while watching it, so it's passable. Come 01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:38.340 on. Eyes rolled. Yeah. I think it's on other 01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:40.019 people's lists. He was an outcast by his own 01:01:40.019 --> 01:01:42.300 choice versus, like, the Grinch was actually, 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.360 like, hated. Yes, right. As an aside, better 01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.269 to come. I'm a batch Grinch. Not a great movie. 01:01:48.429 --> 01:01:52.130 However, it is way better than Minions. Oh, God. 01:01:53.829 --> 01:01:56.130 Sidebar, I hate the Minions. I fucking hate Minions 01:01:56.130 --> 01:01:59.710 so much. They suck. Me too. The Minions are not 01:01:59.710 --> 01:02:04.170 for you guys. They are for children. Why do four 01:02:04.170 --> 01:02:06.329 -year -old moms use them in Facebook memes? I 01:02:06.329 --> 01:02:10.909 don't understand. There's a big valley. It comes 01:02:10.909 --> 01:02:14.960 back again when you're in your 60s. I Banana. 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.980 I feel, I am the man -child watching kids' animated 01:02:17.980 --> 01:02:20.679 movies in my late 20s. I feel like, well, whatever. 01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:22.739 You're right. No, no, Mitchell's right. They're 01:02:22.739 --> 01:02:24.239 not for me. Yeah, they're not for me either, 01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:26.980 and yet I would much rather watch God knows how 01:02:26.980 --> 01:02:29.920 many Land Before Time movies, including all the 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:31.019 ones I came after. Yeah, but those were more 01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:34.519 for you. Not the ones after a certain point. 01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.119 After a certain point, sure. Okay, I thought 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:38.360 we were talking about Christmas movies. I said 01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:40.559 there's a Land Before Time Christmas special. 01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:43.190 How? I bet there is. They're not going to call 01:02:43.190 --> 01:02:45.809 it that. They're going to call it, like, the 01:02:45.809 --> 01:02:49.050 white cold day. The day of life? No, the day 01:02:49.050 --> 01:02:52.650 of cold air. Because that's what they call everything. 01:02:53.150 --> 01:02:55.789 We have gone way off the rails. Anyways, so what 01:02:55.789 --> 01:02:57.769 did I get through so far? I got Rudolph, How 01:02:57.769 --> 01:02:59.849 the Grinch Stole Christmas, classics, and then 01:02:59.849 --> 01:03:01.469 I'm going to be that guy and say Die Hard is 01:03:01.469 --> 01:03:04.449 a Christmas movie, and it's a lot of fun. I mean, 01:03:04.550 --> 01:03:06.409 like, whether you believe it or not, I've watched 01:03:06.409 --> 01:03:08.590 it. Countless times during Christmas time. I 01:03:08.590 --> 01:03:11.329 saw it in theaters at my local indie theater 01:03:11.329 --> 01:03:13.170 from my hometown. That was a lot of fun. Nice. 01:03:13.429 --> 01:03:16.650 An easy movie to watch. I can just watch countless 01:03:16.650 --> 01:03:19.489 times. It's so good. And then probably my favorite 01:03:19.489 --> 01:03:21.469 of, I would say, quote, unquote, modern Christmas 01:03:21.469 --> 01:03:26.090 movie is Elf. And I know how some people in that 01:03:26.090 --> 01:03:29.119 room feel about that. But honestly, like... Probably 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.059 one of the more recent movies. I feel like it 01:03:32.059 --> 01:03:33.619 was early 2000, something like that. Mid -2000. 01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:36.360 Between 2003 and 2006. I gotta tell you, when 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:40.340 I was in high school, so that was 2005 to 2009, 01:03:40.659 --> 01:03:45.000 my senior year, right before winter finals, we 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:51.159 had a week of nothing in choir and whatever science 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:55.519 I took. There was a day... where everything was 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.940 done before we went to winter break and in six 01:03:58.940 --> 01:04:01.260 of my eight classes we watched elf as far as 01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:05.760 we could go whoa that's not good elf sucks so 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.000 like so you watch you watch it so hold on hold 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.679 on you watch this elf as far as you could go 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:11.420 as in you started it over from the beginning 01:04:11.420 --> 01:04:13.739 again every time every single time i feel like 01:04:13.739 --> 01:04:15.579 if you did that from for any movie you would 01:04:15.579 --> 01:04:17.400 be terrible you've never had a substitute or 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.340 just like all right today we're gonna watch osmosis 01:04:19.340 --> 01:04:22.780 jones the worst the worst the worst case of that 01:04:22.780 --> 01:04:26.420 was uh I watched the beginning of Stand and Deliver 01:04:26.420 --> 01:04:28.599 three times in one day. Sorry, I shouldn't laugh 01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.480 at Stand and Deliver. Yeah, no, yes. I've watched 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.139 the beginning of that. I watched Elf six times 01:04:34.139 --> 01:04:37.059 and stopped at the same spot. What spot did you 01:04:37.059 --> 01:04:39.000 stop at, personally? It was probably... What, 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:40.860 23 minutes in or something? Well, 40 minutes, 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.059 whatever. No, 48 minutes. Yeah, it was 40 minutes 01:04:43.059 --> 01:04:44.739 in, so that was probably the snowball fight, 01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:47.360 maybe? Oh, Jesus. Okay. Yeah, maybe the snowball 01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:48.980 fight. I've never watched Elf more than once 01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:51.300 in a day, so maybe I can't comment on the quality 01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:54.659 of partial repeat viewings. but I don't know 01:04:54.659 --> 01:04:58.380 I would never it's so annoying yes holy shit 01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:01.219 okay but the funny thing is like I'll quote like 01:05:01.219 --> 01:05:06.019 uh bye Andre hope you find your dad yeah you 01:05:06.019 --> 01:05:07.480 said that to me that's right I thought you would 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:09.840 be on my side directly because of that I literally 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.739 thought like oh Mike probably likes this movie 01:05:11.739 --> 01:05:14.639 even though Jill hates it it's fine nope I hate 01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:17.599 it can I like just make it clear I do not despise 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.480 Elf It's just, if someone's like, we're going 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.400 to watch a Christmas movie, this is going to 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.699 be a day where they get some boozy eggnog, pop 01:05:24.699 --> 01:05:27.360 some popcorn, have some hot cocoa. Okay, okay, 01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:29.800 okay. To be clear, that is not the movie that 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:31.880 I would suggest in that scenario. The movie I 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.139 would suggest is A Christmas Story. That is my... 01:05:36.899 --> 01:05:38.980 favorite christmas movie and i have now seen 01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:41.599 this movie far and away i've seen it the christmas 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.179 story is pretty phenomenal i i make a point to 01:05:44.179 --> 01:05:46.780 watch it every christmas eve um i think that 01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:49.420 is just to me i mean i grew up with it obviously 01:05:49.420 --> 01:05:51.880 and to me it's just the perfect distillation 01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.579 of the anticipation and excitement over getting 01:05:55.579 --> 01:05:58.400 a specific present yeah for christmas and that 01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.699 kind of childhood boyhood wonder about that okay 01:06:00.699 --> 01:06:03.300 um yeah i can watch that movie over and over 01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:05.079 and over and over again feels me joy every time 01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:08.960 nice uh that brings us to jill all right so mine 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:11.019 is kind of a bit of a freestyle i know what my 01:06:11.019 --> 01:06:13.559 top uh my number one is so i'm gonna start with 01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.960 five but that but please be aware that Only the 01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.480 last one is really like the best in my opinion. 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.440 So number five, The Family Man with Nicolas Cage. 01:06:22.539 --> 01:06:26.300 This is a 2000 film. It is about a guy who gets 01:06:26.300 --> 01:06:28.800 to see the life he could have had had he gone 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.579 a different direction in his life. It is a very 01:06:31.579 --> 01:06:34.440 good performance from Nicolas Cage. You know, 01:06:34.460 --> 01:06:36.400 you see him at the beginning as being this rich, 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:39.780 larger than life guy. He sings opera because 01:06:39.780 --> 01:06:42.980 he can. And then he... Is it actually Nicolas 01:06:42.980 --> 01:06:45.630 Cage singing? Yeah. I believe it. Okay. Cool. 01:06:45.849 --> 01:06:47.610 Okay. I'm on board. Good for him. He was around 01:06:47.610 --> 01:06:49.489 his very wealthy apartment in New York singing 01:06:49.489 --> 01:06:51.489 opera and he's friends with all the rich people. 01:06:51.630 --> 01:06:54.690 And then he stops off at, I think, a CVS. There's 01:06:54.690 --> 01:06:58.150 a guy who's trying to rob the place and Nicolas 01:06:58.150 --> 01:07:01.150 Cage offers him money instead. And the guy is 01:07:01.150 --> 01:07:03.610 like, you know, I'm going to grant you a wish 01:07:03.610 --> 01:07:05.510 of some kind. And the next morning, Nicolas Cage 01:07:05.510 --> 01:07:08.710 wakes up in New Jersey married to, I cannot remember 01:07:08.710 --> 01:07:13.840 her name. T. Leone's character. And they have 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:17.440 a four -year -old daughter, an infant son. Nicolas 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.940 Cage is not a wealthy stocks person. I can't 01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:24.000 remember what it is. He is just a local family 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.400 guy. And he spends half the movie trying to get 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:28.840 his life back because he doesn't know how to 01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.179 do it. And then halfway through, he starts to 01:07:31.179 --> 01:07:32.860 realize the life that he could have had isn't 01:07:32.860 --> 01:07:37.619 so bad. And it's just really... It's a nice progression 01:07:37.619 --> 01:07:41.380 of the character. And Nicolas Cage is just wacky 01:07:41.380 --> 01:07:43.840 enough that it really works where you feel those, 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.380 like, intense longing for the posh life, but 01:07:46.380 --> 01:07:48.079 then when he's finally getting comfortable with 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:51.039 the life he is now living, he's really enjoying 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.940 it. Okay. And I like the way that it has a really 01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:56.420 good ending. He does wake up in his normal life 01:07:56.420 --> 01:07:59.800 again towards the end, and he has a chance encounter 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.989 with T. Leone's character. And they reminisce 01:08:02.989 --> 01:08:04.469 about the life they could have had and they kind 01:08:04.469 --> 01:08:08.170 of leave it on a, not ambiguous note, but they 01:08:08.170 --> 01:08:10.610 meet up and the film ends with them talking. 01:08:10.829 --> 01:08:13.630 So maybe the life that they had could happen. 01:08:13.889 --> 01:08:19.149 Yeah. Number four is going to be White Christmas. 01:08:19.649 --> 01:08:24.390 This is a kind of a me and my mom film. My mom 01:08:24.390 --> 01:08:26.510 does not love anything Christmas related, but 01:08:26.510 --> 01:08:29.869 she loves this movie. Bane Cosby, Danny Kaye. 01:08:32.780 --> 01:08:36.220 George Clooney's Rosemary Clooney. There we go. 01:08:36.340 --> 01:08:38.420 And then I can't remember the other lady but 01:08:38.420 --> 01:08:42.140 she's a fantastic dancer. I love musicals from 01:08:42.140 --> 01:08:44.340 the 40s into the early 50s and then I kind of 01:08:44.340 --> 01:08:46.739 stopped loving them into the mid 60s and then 01:08:46.739 --> 01:08:51.260 I really love them in the 70s. But this is just 01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:54.140 a great musical. The dancing is absolutely fantastic. 01:08:54.659 --> 01:08:57.590 Some of the songs are Absolutely memorable besides 01:08:57.590 --> 01:08:59.850 White Christmas. And the story is just nice. 01:08:59.930 --> 01:09:02.229 Bing Cosby and Danny Kaye are two former guys 01:09:02.229 --> 01:09:04.930 from World War II who start a song and dance 01:09:04.930 --> 01:09:08.550 act. They become rather famous. They find out 01:09:08.550 --> 01:09:12.590 that their old general has a cabin up in Vermont. 01:09:12.729 --> 01:09:14.630 So they decide to go see him, but he's kind of 01:09:14.630 --> 01:09:17.010 falling on hard times. So they're like, let's 01:09:17.010 --> 01:09:20.180 move the show from New York. and we'll put on 01:09:20.180 --> 01:09:23.300 a benefit in a way for the general and we'll 01:09:23.300 --> 01:09:25.279 invite all the guys from the old battalion and 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:27.859 it'll be great uh you know the general finds 01:09:27.859 --> 01:09:29.560 out he misunderstands he's like i don't want 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:32.760 your pity so it's a show within a show going 01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:35.979 on you've got rosemary clooney and her sister 01:09:35.979 --> 01:09:39.060 also up there they're a vaudeville act and they 01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:41.380 get roped into this and it's just it's really 01:09:41.380 --> 01:09:44.199 nice and it's a fun little movie yeah it's a 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.770 fun little movie If you have parents or grandparents 01:09:47.770 --> 01:09:49.569 who want to watch something, but you don't want 01:09:49.569 --> 01:09:53.590 to show them something obnoxious like Elf. Oh 01:09:53.590 --> 01:09:58.010 my god! It's a fun movie! Jesus, that dancing 01:09:58.010 --> 01:10:01.090 craze! And yes, I know, I've invoked the ire 01:10:01.090 --> 01:10:04.390 of the internet by saying I think Elf is obnoxious. 01:10:05.029 --> 01:10:08.329 Number... That was four. Number three... Let 01:10:08.329 --> 01:10:12.250 me look at my past thing. Number three is going 01:10:12.250 --> 01:10:16.079 to be... Santa Claus is Coming to Town. Another 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.619 Rankin -Bass. Stop Motion Animation. Fred Astaire 01:10:19.619 --> 01:10:22.539 as the singing postman and the narrator. It's 01:10:22.539 --> 01:10:27.800 fantastic. You have Mickey Rooney as Santa Claus. 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.239 You've got catchy songs like One Foot in Front 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:32.159 of the Other. Santa Claus is Coming to Town. 01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:37.199 It's great. Love it. Two, The Holiday. Gotta 01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:40.770 have a holiday rom -com. I love this movie. You 01:10:40.770 --> 01:10:43.210 know what? This is the only one on probably everyone's 01:10:43.210 --> 01:10:45.869 list that hasn't mentioned a Hanukkah. Yeah, 01:10:45.909 --> 01:10:47.630 that's true. Yep, there's some Hanukkah in there. 01:10:47.729 --> 01:10:50.310 For those who are not familiar with it, it is 01:10:50.310 --> 01:10:52.850 Cameron Diaz and Kate Winslet. These two women 01:10:52.850 --> 01:10:55.050 have kind of had a rough time with love, so they 01:10:55.050 --> 01:10:57.550 decide to trade homes, doing kind of an Airbnb 01:10:57.550 --> 01:11:00.090 situation. So Kate Winslet goes to California 01:11:00.090 --> 01:11:03.789 and lives in Cameron Diaz's house. She's a movie 01:11:03.789 --> 01:11:07.449 trailer producer. Cameron Diaz goes to this quaint 01:11:07.449 --> 01:11:10.869 little cottage in the outskirts of, I think, 01:11:10.930 --> 01:11:14.210 Surrey is where they are. Takes over Kate Winslet's 01:11:14.210 --> 01:11:17.449 life. And they both meet men and, you know, Cameron 01:11:17.449 --> 01:11:19.890 Diaz falls for Kate Winslet's brother, played 01:11:19.890 --> 01:11:24.149 by Jude Law. Kate Winslet strikes up a really 01:11:24.149 --> 01:11:28.050 great, positive friendship with Jack Black's 01:11:28.050 --> 01:11:29.729 character, Miles, who's a soundtrack composer. 01:11:30.189 --> 01:11:34.109 And they both kind of... Rediscover their agency. 01:11:34.470 --> 01:11:38.609 Discover love can be a good thing when it's reciprocated 01:11:38.609 --> 01:11:41.090 and it's a positive, healthy relationship. There's 01:11:41.090 --> 01:11:43.430 a really great sweet side plot with Kate Winslet 01:11:43.430 --> 01:11:46.630 and a old school Hollywood movie director or 01:11:46.630 --> 01:11:50.430 writer, movie writer. It's great. Soundtrack 01:11:50.430 --> 01:11:52.510 is amazing. I think it's Hans Zimmer or James 01:11:52.510 --> 01:11:54.470 Horner. It's Hans Zimmer. It's Hans Zimmer. I 01:11:54.470 --> 01:11:57.090 was taking it back when Hans Zimmer's name showed 01:11:57.090 --> 01:11:59.590 up at the beginning. It does not sound like a 01:11:59.590 --> 01:12:02.970 Hans Zimmer. It's a Nancy Meyer. Special. So 01:12:02.970 --> 01:12:06.149 go into it expecting impeccable kitchens and 01:12:06.149 --> 01:12:10.390 homes that actually feel real. Okay. Great movie. 01:12:10.489 --> 01:12:13.710 So that was three, right? Sure. Two. That was 01:12:13.710 --> 01:12:16.909 two. Number one has to be Muppets Christmas Carol. 01:12:17.310 --> 01:12:20.430 Muppets. Besides the fact that I just love my 01:12:20.430 --> 01:12:23.550 Muppets. Michael Caine. Michael Caine. Really 01:12:23.550 --> 01:12:26.810 brings it. He's great. Yes. I don't like when 01:12:26.810 --> 01:12:32.670 people say that. Michael Caine. delivers an oscar 01:12:32.670 --> 01:12:36.949 worthy and tony worthy performance as ebenezer 01:12:36.949 --> 01:12:40.510 scrooge he's famously has been quoted telling 01:12:40.510 --> 01:12:43.050 brian henson who directed the film i'm not going 01:12:43.050 --> 01:12:45.189 to do anything muppety i'm going to play it straight 01:12:45.189 --> 01:12:46.989 as if this is part of the shakespeare company 01:12:46.989 --> 01:12:50.850 and he absolutely does the way that they tell 01:12:50.850 --> 01:12:53.670 the story is one of the i've seen breakdowns 01:12:53.670 --> 01:12:55.649 of like different you know, let's compare all 01:12:55.649 --> 01:12:59.750 the Christmas Carol stories. It's actually considered 01:12:59.750 --> 01:13:01.369 to be one of the more fateful interpretations 01:13:01.369 --> 01:13:04.930 of it because of just having the medium to play 01:13:04.930 --> 01:13:07.550 around with how the ghosts look. Like most of 01:13:07.550 --> 01:13:12.850 the, all of the ghosts are Muppets. Gotta have 01:13:12.850 --> 01:13:14.710 them in there. I love that. That's one of my 01:13:14.710 --> 01:13:16.409 favorites. And of course they had to have Fozzie 01:13:16.409 --> 01:13:20.949 be Fozziewig. Yes. Fozziewig. Couldn't pass that 01:13:20.949 --> 01:13:23.430 one up. God, that's too perfect. Yep. And it's 01:13:23.430 --> 01:13:27.949 a great story. There is a song that was cut out, 01:13:28.010 --> 01:13:29.770 and I believe they're bringing it back. So if 01:13:29.770 --> 01:13:32.229 you grew up with the VHS version, there is a 01:13:32.229 --> 01:13:35.189 song, When Love Is Gone, that doesn't exist in 01:13:35.189 --> 01:13:37.930 the Disney Plus version, I believe, if you have 01:13:37.930 --> 01:13:41.479 the anniversary DVD like I do. There's a full 01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.279 screen and a wide screen, and you only can see 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:46.739 the song in the full screen. Interesting. But 01:13:46.739 --> 01:13:49.079 it's absolutely great. Jim Henson, unfortunately, 01:13:49.300 --> 01:13:51.460 had already passed on when this film was created. 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.399 So Steve Whitmore, I believe, is the voice of 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:56.420 Kermit. He does a great job. And it just, it 01:13:56.420 --> 01:13:58.579 fills me with joy every year. I can watch this 01:13:58.579 --> 01:14:01.140 movie until the day I die. I will never be sick 01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:03.840 of it. I probably could quote half the film at 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.640 this point. And it's just, you know, it is a 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.579 classic. I feel like everybody has their own 01:14:09.579 --> 01:14:12.260 version of A Christmas Carol that they gravitate 01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:15.319 towards. For me, it is The Muppets Christmas 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:20.739 Carol. Nice. Mitchell? Yeah, buddy. So with me, 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:25.750 I'll say this. Like, if Basic Bitch... had a 01:14:25.750 --> 01:14:28.569 Christmas movies list, this would be it. I'm 01:14:28.569 --> 01:14:30.810 not going to lie. Is the holiday on there? I 01:14:30.810 --> 01:14:33.649 forgot your nickname was Basic Bitch. The holiday 01:14:33.649 --> 01:14:36.970 is not on there, but I'll say this. I have four 01:14:36.970 --> 01:14:40.529 that are pretty basic. I'm throwing a curveball 01:14:40.529 --> 01:14:43.350 for the sake of the fact that I'm going third. 01:14:43.949 --> 01:14:46.090 I want to lighten this up a little bit in terms 01:14:46.090 --> 01:14:48.350 of conversation. What is defined as a movie? 01:14:48.869 --> 01:14:56.829 What is defined as a movie? Just for this the 01:14:56.829 --> 01:15:00.050 movies on there of the belief that we are living 01:15:00.050 --> 01:15:03.189 in a world where streaming is going to be the 01:15:03.189 --> 01:15:05.829 thing that defines how media is made and then 01:15:05.829 --> 01:15:08.529 therefore movies as we know them today are going 01:15:08.529 --> 01:15:10.710 to go away there's a whole conversation about 01:15:10.710 --> 01:15:13.430 how technology has dictated the length of movies 01:15:13.430 --> 01:15:16.689 and the in the ways that the film has been produced 01:15:16.689 --> 01:15:19.250 and made for years that is a completely different 01:15:19.250 --> 01:15:22.829 topic but for now here's my christmas list um 01:15:22.829 --> 01:15:25.529 christmas vacation by far and away number one 01:15:25.529 --> 01:15:27.970 okay Everything else can be in whatever order. 01:15:28.229 --> 01:15:31.029 Christmas Vacation is my all -time favorite Christmas 01:15:31.029 --> 01:15:34.569 movie. That's that National Lampoon's one, correct? 01:15:34.850 --> 01:15:38.689 Yes. It is the National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. 01:15:38.770 --> 01:15:41.069 It hurts me when you say that. I had to say it 01:15:41.069 --> 01:15:43.409 for the audience. No, you didn't have to say 01:15:43.409 --> 01:15:44.729 it for the audience. The audience has seen it. 01:15:44.750 --> 01:15:47.810 You haven't. Oh, yeah, we should fix that. You're 01:15:47.810 --> 01:15:50.829 right. It's true. I'll say this. This is, I think... 01:15:51.020 --> 01:15:53.279 the best vacation movie. It might be the best 01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:55.779 Chevy Chase movie. It might be the best Chevy 01:15:55.779 --> 01:15:59.220 Chase project, even including his SNL days. Wow. 01:16:00.739 --> 01:16:04.779 I'm going to say it. For someone who was born 01:16:04.779 --> 01:16:07.319 in the 90s, and I didn't see this obviously in 01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:10.100 theaters when it initially came out, but this 01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:13.479 is the movie that I have seen probably the most 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:17.000 of any Christmas movie ever. I pop it in every 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.060 December and I probably end up watching it. At 01:16:20.060 --> 01:16:22.819 least five times before Christmas is here. You 01:16:22.819 --> 01:16:27.319 know, so it is very much my cup of cocoa, you 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.699 know, blanket kind of movie. Just enjoying it. 01:16:31.020 --> 01:16:33.579 I have seen Animal House. That's my National 01:16:33.579 --> 01:16:36.119 Lampoon property. That's a good one. But yes, 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:39.119 not a Christmas movie, but a great movie at that 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:43.090 for sure. And I'll say this as a caveat for the 01:16:43.090 --> 01:16:45.250 rest of this list and how it's going to go. And 01:16:45.250 --> 01:16:47.569 Christmas vacation definitely sets the tone here. 01:16:47.689 --> 01:16:50.970 But for me, I went about this list choosing things 01:16:50.970 --> 01:16:53.989 that I thought reminded me of Christmas and, 01:16:54.029 --> 01:16:57.250 you know, movies that I legitimately watch during 01:16:57.250 --> 01:17:00.890 the Christmas season and specifically watching 01:17:00.890 --> 01:17:03.550 those movies when I was a kid, because ultimately. 01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:06.619 my Christmas memories are all about when I was 01:17:06.619 --> 01:17:09.260 a kid. You know, like, any time I was past maybe 01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:12.199 16, there wasn't any memorable, oh my god, I 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.199 got that gift, or whatever. Kind of like what 01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.159 we get in Christmas Story, right? With the, uh, 01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.840 with the red, with the red. Yeah, BB action. 01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:21.020 Yeah. I should know this whole thing, but yes, 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:24.140 the rifle. For me, that speaks a huge amount 01:17:24.140 --> 01:17:27.380 as to how I remember and... take in christmas 01:17:27.380 --> 01:17:31.000 as a feeling and as a holiday um so keep that 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:32.479 in mind as i'm going through the rest of this 01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:35.319 list so christmas vacations number one uh number 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:38.340 again these are not in order the second thing 01:17:38.340 --> 01:17:40.079 i'm going to mention is a christmas story just 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:43.220 like andre hell yeah you know i think it's tnt 01:17:43.220 --> 01:17:47.180 or tbs uh they have it on repeat as soon as christmas 01:17:47.180 --> 01:17:50.180 eve starts i believe and it's a 24 -hour christmas 01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:53.039 story marathon this specifically ties into me 01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.319 and my dad Me and him love this movie. We will 01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.319 watch it nonstop. My stepmom, Kim, hates it. 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.579 And I get it. I get why you hate it. The rah 01:18:02.579 --> 01:18:05.020 -rah -rah -rah -rah at the end pisses me off 01:18:05.020 --> 01:18:08.880 to this day. But overall, Andre, I think you 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.300 nailed it when you said it kind of speaks to 01:18:11.300 --> 01:18:15.960 the feeling of what it's like as a kid knowing 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.100 that Christmas is coming and there's that one 01:18:18.100 --> 01:18:21.680 gift that you can't wait to unwrap. And that 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:24.750 is, you know, in a lot of ways... kind of brings 01:18:24.750 --> 01:18:27.250 that warm feeling about the entire season together. 01:18:28.449 --> 01:18:31.229 Then How the Grinch Stole Christmas, the original. 01:18:31.569 --> 01:18:36.050 He clarified. No shade to the Jim Carrey movie 01:18:36.050 --> 01:18:38.430 because I actually think it's pretty good. I'm 01:18:38.430 --> 01:18:42.170 not going to lie. It elaborates on the greater 01:18:42.170 --> 01:18:46.649 Grinch story. I think it's pretty fun. I've never 01:18:46.649 --> 01:18:49.210 seen the Benedict Cumberbatch one, so I can't 01:18:49.210 --> 01:18:52.710 comment on that. And then another one, Jill's 01:18:52.710 --> 01:18:57.050 favorite, Elf. It's one of those movies for me, 01:18:57.189 --> 01:19:00.090 and I get it. It's not everyone's cup of tea, 01:19:00.149 --> 01:19:02.390 especially when it comes to Christmas movies. 01:19:02.689 --> 01:19:06.010 But I'll say this. I think this is the movie 01:19:06.010 --> 01:19:12.090 where I was a kid and I had witnessed what would 01:19:12.090 --> 01:19:15.989 end up being in the Christmas canon when it first 01:19:15.989 --> 01:19:18.119 premiered. You know what I mean? Right. No, that's 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:20.640 like definitely like all of my, of my top five, 01:19:20.779 --> 01:19:22.479 that's the only one that I watched in theaters 01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:25.760 when it came out. Right. So. Exactly. And that's 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.760 the only one in this list for me as well, where 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.880 I had that experience and RIP to the movie going 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:37.640 experience, maybe. I definitely hold a special 01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.739 spot for that in my heart as well. So Elf, I 01:19:40.739 --> 01:19:43.159 absolutely love. Here's my curve ball. Okay. 01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:46.770 Ready. I had gone through this list and. Granted, 01:19:46.770 --> 01:19:48.550 I did this right before you put on the podcast. 01:19:49.430 --> 01:19:52.569 I was going through lots of different websites 01:19:52.569 --> 01:19:55.310 had like their top 50 Christmas movies just to 01:19:55.310 --> 01:19:58.789 get some ideas. And I was scrolling past movies 01:19:58.789 --> 01:20:02.550 that I legitimately love. And some I would even 01:20:02.550 --> 01:20:06.029 put, you know, within my top 10 the year it came 01:20:06.029 --> 01:20:11.609 out. So Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. One website categorized 01:20:11.609 --> 01:20:15.180 Little Women. as a Christmas movie. No. Okay. 01:20:15.659 --> 01:20:20.300 No. Yeah, Little Women as a movie was probably 01:20:20.300 --> 01:20:22.939 number two to Parasite for me last year, maybe 01:20:22.939 --> 01:20:26.779 number three. And I don't consider it a Christmas 01:20:26.779 --> 01:20:28.819 movie. Like, I just don't engage with it in that 01:20:28.819 --> 01:20:30.779 way. And same thing with Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:33.500 Same thing with Die Hard, even though it's set 01:20:33.500 --> 01:20:36.380 during Christmas and all that. It doesn't make 01:20:36.380 --> 01:20:38.659 me think of my childhood. It doesn't make me 01:20:38.659 --> 01:20:40.880 think of Christmas in that way. Fair enough. 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:45.939 So, I... Everything has been movies at this point. 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:48.460 I'm breaking the rules here, and I am picking 01:20:48.460 --> 01:20:51.260 Hey Arnold, Arnold's Christmas from season... 01:20:51.260 --> 01:20:55.760 Oh my god, yeah. Alright, this is the 20th episode, 01:20:55.939 --> 01:20:58.680 and granted, every episode, like, if you were 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:01.239 to watch Hey Arnold, there's two episodes per 01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.159 viewing. Yeah. So this is really the 10th. Wow, 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:07.029 this is really... This is really only, like, 01:21:07.069 --> 01:21:09.649 wow. Okay, I thought this was, like, a well -matured 01:21:09.649 --> 01:21:11.170 Hey Arnold episode. Like, I figured it was, like, 01:21:11.189 --> 01:21:14.710 third or fourth season. Wild. Okay, man. Yeah, 01:21:14.729 --> 01:21:16.750 this is from the first season. This is their 01:21:16.750 --> 01:21:19.350 first crack at a Christmas episode. That's crazy. 01:21:19.670 --> 01:21:23.050 Okay. 1997. And for those who don't know, Arnold 01:21:23.050 --> 01:21:27.069 lives in a boarding house with a variety of people 01:21:27.069 --> 01:21:29.489 with all different backgrounds. And this particular 01:21:29.489 --> 01:21:32.210 episode, and it may be the first one that centers 01:21:32.210 --> 01:21:34.609 around Mr. Nguyen. I think it is. The Vietnamese 01:21:34.609 --> 01:21:37.750 immigrant. And for the first time in this series, 01:21:37.869 --> 01:21:39.949 we actually get a background as to how he got 01:21:39.949 --> 01:21:43.350 to the boarding house and the life and the family 01:21:43.350 --> 01:21:46.449 that he left behind in Vietnam. And what's crazy 01:21:46.449 --> 01:21:49.930 is, in his background, he was actually in Vietnam 01:21:49.930 --> 01:21:55.029 during the Vietnam War. And the point where he 01:21:55.029 --> 01:21:58.229 had lived was being evacuated, and U .S. soldiers 01:21:58.229 --> 01:22:00.710 were coming in, and Mr. Nguyen had a daughter. 01:22:02.420 --> 01:22:06.000 Fearful for her life, he handed his daughter 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.899 to a U .S. soldier and helicoptered her away, 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.840 hopefully to a better life in America. That was 01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.699 his hope. And ever since he immigrated to the 01:22:15.699 --> 01:22:18.659 States, he had never seen her since. He had only 01:22:18.659 --> 01:22:21.140 seen her as a kid. I'm talking like two years 01:22:21.140 --> 01:22:24.779 old, maybe. And that is where the episode starts. 01:22:25.140 --> 01:22:28.079 And just to put this in further context, in the 01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:30.119 boarding house, they were doing a Secret Santa 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:34.100 in this episode, and Arnold drew Mr. Wynn. And 01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:36.380 he wanted to actually get something sentimental 01:22:36.380 --> 01:22:41.739 and very personal to him for this Christmas gift. 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:46.220 So he sat down, talked with him, not asking directly 01:22:46.220 --> 01:22:49.640 what you want for Christmas, just basically trying 01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:55.000 to learn more about him. his story, and he, Arnold, 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.279 and his best friend Gerald, who has the greatest 01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:02.220 hairdo in all of cartoons, go out and try to 01:23:02.220 --> 01:23:05.220 find Mr. Wynn's daughter. And then you get this 01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:09.000 subplot about Helga and trying to get some really 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.520 high -end boots. Yeah, anyway, both of those 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:15.840 storylines come together at the end in a nice, 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:19.500 poignant way. That's all I'm going to leave. 01:23:19.539 --> 01:23:21.060 I'm going to leave it at that. I'm not sure where 01:23:21.060 --> 01:23:24.119 we can watch Hey Arnold these days, but I'm sure 01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:27.720 it is somewhere. in this universe, if not on 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:31.460 Project Free TV. I have to say, Nickelodeon in 01:23:31.460 --> 01:23:34.399 the late 90s, early 2000s, really went, whenever 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:35.779 they had their Christmas specials, they were 01:23:35.779 --> 01:23:37.600 always really, really good. There was Olive the 01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:39.560 Other Reindeer, which was based on a book that 01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:42.619 I drew Barrymore as a dog who mishears Santa 01:23:42.619 --> 01:23:44.899 when he says, like, Olive the Other Reindeer. 01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.640 She hears Olive. There's the Harold one. There's 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:52.039 multiple Rugrats, which stand out for me because 01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:55.319 Tommy, his mom, Dee Dee, is Jewish. So there's 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.899 a Rugrats Christmas special, Rugrats Hanukkah 01:23:57.899 --> 01:24:01.340 special, SpongeBob had a few really good Christmas 01:24:01.340 --> 01:24:05.420 ones. I mean, so, funny enough, this, so, this 01:24:05.420 --> 01:24:07.180 episode that Mitchell's talking about, like, 01:24:07.260 --> 01:24:10.180 they came up, like, I think, like, the Nickelodeon's 01:24:10.180 --> 01:24:12.680 Facebook page has been putting up old clips of 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:14.880 Payne Arnold, like, on this day in 96, like, 01:24:14.899 --> 01:24:17.140 we found out, you know, like, like, we, we... 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:19.859 we handled did this or whatever and the clip 01:24:19.859 --> 01:24:21.640 from that episode like especially the flashback 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:24.899 to the intro of like the Vietnam scenes like 01:24:24.899 --> 01:24:27.359 I saw that and then it super cuts to the end 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:28.619 of the episode so I guess I won't spoil it but 01:24:28.619 --> 01:24:32.119 I was like wow this show super emotional like 01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.460 I did not know what I had when I was a little 01:24:34.460 --> 01:24:36.579 like I was okay I guess I was probably three 01:24:36.579 --> 01:24:38.180 when this episode came out so I watched it on 01:24:38.180 --> 01:24:41.279 reruns but yeah like I was less than 10 you know 01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:43.819 and it's like man like this very super touching 01:24:43.819 --> 01:24:45.819 story so I think that's an excellent pick yeah 01:24:45.819 --> 01:24:48.819 no Hats off to you. I would have, like, I should 01:24:48.819 --> 01:24:50.359 have pressed you a bit more on, like, parameters 01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:52.800 of movies. Rules are meant to be broken. They 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:54.979 are meant to be broken. And I will say that there 01:24:54.979 --> 01:24:58.319 are a lot of good TV specials out there either 01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:01.000 that are normal length episodes or maybe they're, 01:25:01.020 --> 01:25:03.359 you know, a little extra. Can we go back to the 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:07.380 rules? I never have rules. Like, as much as we're 01:25:07.380 --> 01:25:09.600 talking about it, like, I come up with an idea 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.270 and just say, hey. do I look like an idiot if 01:25:12.270 --> 01:25:14.369 I suggest this? And then you guys are like, yeah, 01:25:14.409 --> 01:25:17.170 let's do this. And then you go, okay, so what 01:25:17.170 --> 01:25:22.109 are the rules? Fuck, I know. Literally, the rules 01:25:22.109 --> 01:25:24.270 are meant to be broken. So I think that's a great 01:25:24.270 --> 01:25:27.250 pick, Mitchell. I really do. What else you got? 01:25:27.350 --> 01:25:29.829 You got one more, I think, right? No, so that 01:25:29.829 --> 01:25:32.630 was it. So just to recap, I had Christmas Vacation, 01:25:32.670 --> 01:25:34.329 How the Grinch Stole Christmas, the original, 01:25:34.550 --> 01:25:37.930 Elf, A Christmas Story, and then Arnold's Christmas, 01:25:38.270 --> 01:25:41.920 season one, episode 20. of the Hey Arnold TV 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:43.960 series. Still wild that that's the first season. 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:46.760 Crazy. Yeah. What a good show. I'm now like looking 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:48.600 up other Christmas ones because I think Tiny 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:50.399 Toons also had a really good Christmas. Oh yeah. 01:25:50.539 --> 01:25:53.739 Oh yeah. Tiny Toons was great. I was thinking 01:25:53.739 --> 01:25:57.560 about picking was In Excelsis Deo from West Wing. 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:01.600 Ah, In Excelsis Deo. Oh, I watched that episode, 01:26:01.619 --> 01:26:03.579 right? Yes, that's also a very good Christmas 01:26:03.579 --> 01:26:05.779 TV episode. So we cannot talk about it because 01:26:05.779 --> 01:26:07.920 Andre has not gotten there. My personal favorite 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:12.000 West Wing Christmas episode is Noel, which Noel's 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.319 brilliant as well. And special shout out to the 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:16.859 one with Toby's father in later seasons with 01:26:16.859 --> 01:26:19.399 the whiff and poofs. Yeah, I will say having 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:22.220 watched Having watched In Excess Dio. In Excess 01:26:22.220 --> 01:26:25.199 Dio. Yeah, great episode. Great episode of TV. 01:26:25.220 --> 01:26:27.140 Another good like this is just the first season, 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.659 and wow. Dang it. Well, I have nothing poignant. 01:26:31.420 --> 01:26:35.319 Mine's like all goofy. My top five, and I will 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:37.600 go in order from five to one, because one is 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:41.579 the most Christmas. Okay. Number five, I had 01:26:41.579 --> 01:26:45.500 Polar Express. Oh, like the Zemeckis film? Yeah, 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.000 like the Zemeckis film. Okay. I actually really 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:49.060 enjoyed that one. I know. I enjoyed that one. 01:26:49.180 --> 01:26:52.300 Okay. It made me feel reminiscent of childhood. 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:55.100 It's that nostalgic feeling. Sure. It's got Mandark 01:26:55.100 --> 01:26:58.760 in it. It does have Mandark, yes. Okay, sorry. 01:26:59.260 --> 01:27:02.899 Number four was Charlie Brown Christmas. Okay. 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:05.600 Who doesn't love it? Who doesn't? And then number 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.100 three is going to be a little bit of a spoiler 01:27:07.100 --> 01:27:10.439 for the rest of my list, probably. Number three 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:13.300 is Die Hard 2. Yeah. What's so good about Die 01:27:13.300 --> 01:27:16.539 Hard 2? Because it has the guy from NYPD Blue 01:27:16.539 --> 01:27:19.739 and it's funny watching him and Bruce Willis 01:27:19.739 --> 01:27:24.720 go after each other. What? It does. So I can't 01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:28.020 believe... Go for it. I think I've ever envisioned 01:27:28.020 --> 01:27:32.380 or had in my mind's eye the image of the guy 01:27:32.380 --> 01:27:35.779 from NYPD Blue since I was maybe 10 years old. 01:27:35.939 --> 01:27:38.420 So I really want to thank you for bringing back 01:27:38.420 --> 01:27:42.260 the power of memory. I can actually... I know 01:27:42.260 --> 01:27:44.340 exactly who you're talking about. He was the 01:27:44.340 --> 01:27:47.279 guy for NYPD Blue. I never watched NYPD Blue. 01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:51.560 If you saw a commercial for NYPD Blue, even if 01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:53.640 you never watched the show, you watched a preview 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:58.100 of the next episode, you know the guy. He's Danny 01:27:58.100 --> 01:28:00.560 DeVito before Danny DeVito. Oh, okay. So if I 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:06.159 type in NYPD... Danny DeVito pre -dates and post 01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:08.380 -dates him. And what's this man's name, this 01:28:08.380 --> 01:28:11.319 great man of NYPD? If you tell me, I'll remember 01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:15.220 it. Is his first name NYPD? Yes, exactly. Is 01:28:15.220 --> 01:28:20.979 it David Caruso? Dennis Brands. Dennis Brands 01:28:20.979 --> 01:28:22.960 is, I think, the winner. Wow, he does look like 01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:25.199 Danny DeVito. Holy shit. Yeah, click Dennis Brands. 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:27.760 I think that's him. Yeah, that's him. Okay, so 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:30.359 Die Hard 2. I love the fact that, yes, it's probably 01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:32.399 spoiled that you have two Die Hards on this list. 01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:36.119 Oh, 100%. So would you name secretly Jake Peralta? 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:43.000 I relate a lot to Jake Peralta. Number two is 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:47.119 Christmas Vacation. Okay. Chicago classic. Clark 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:51.079 Griswold is amazing. The best character, I think, 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:52.979 Chevy Chase. I'm with you on that. I think it's 01:28:52.979 --> 01:28:55.300 the best character Chevy Chase has ever done 01:28:55.300 --> 01:28:58.340 is Clark Griswold. And that goes for all the 01:28:58.340 --> 01:29:00.600 vacation movies, but especially Christmas Vacation. 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:05.039 National Lampoon's Vacation is close to Christmas 01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:07.119 Vacation, but Christmas Vacation takes a cake. 01:29:07.260 --> 01:29:09.939 Okay. And Christmas Vacation 2 is a pile of shit. 01:29:10.729 --> 01:29:12.310 I didn't even realize there was a second one. 01:29:12.470 --> 01:29:14.670 Yeah, it's Randy Quaid is the main character. 01:29:14.750 --> 01:29:17.529 Just to give you an idea of how... The drop of 01:29:17.529 --> 01:29:19.670 quality. Yes, the drop of quality. And, like, 01:29:19.670 --> 01:29:22.729 Randy Quaid is in Christmas Vacation 1 as Cousin 01:29:22.729 --> 01:29:27.590 Eddie. And, yeah, sugar's full. If you know that 01:29:27.590 --> 01:29:32.109 line, that is Cousin Eddie. That's, like, one 01:29:32.109 --> 01:29:36.310 of the most quotable... each other. 100%. I do 01:29:36.310 --> 01:29:38.710 the let there be light whenever I light the Christmas 01:29:38.710 --> 01:29:40.869 tree. Let there be light. Is that where the cat 01:29:40.869 --> 01:29:45.729 dying comes from? Yeah, because there's a cat. 01:29:45.869 --> 01:29:49.550 He's not dead, but he's in a box. Yes. Supposed 01:29:49.550 --> 01:29:52.590 to be presented as a Christmas gift. Yes. They 01:29:52.590 --> 01:29:55.970 didn't put any holes in the box. And this is 01:29:55.970 --> 01:29:58.189 a series that's known. In Christmas Vacation, 01:29:58.229 --> 01:30:00.569 or in Regular Vacation, they killed the grandma. 01:30:00.869 --> 01:30:04.819 It is dark humor. Dark humor. We should watch 01:30:04.819 --> 01:30:06.579 it. So you haven't seen it? No. We should watch 01:30:06.579 --> 01:30:09.880 it. Yeah. Randy Quaid, by the way. Randy Quaid, 01:30:09.939 --> 01:30:13.960 yes. He is an Oscar nominee. For what? Oh, God. 01:30:14.579 --> 01:30:17.319 Yeah, what did he get nominated? Back in 1974, 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:21.180 he earned a Best Actor in a Supporting Role nomination 01:30:21.180 --> 01:30:23.819 for The Last Detail. I had never seen it. I'd 01:30:23.819 --> 01:30:26.439 never seen it. I'd never heard of it. But I looked 01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:28.920 it up on IMDb, and oh, my God, he has an Oscar 01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:31.380 nomination. Wow. Good for Randy. Good for him. 01:30:31.980 --> 01:30:34.539 And that brings us to our final one, which I'm 01:30:34.539 --> 01:30:36.300 guessing you guys all can guess. Say it with 01:30:36.300 --> 01:30:40.739 me. Mall Cop. Mall Cop. Bart. Paul Blart Mall 01:30:40.739 --> 01:30:44.020 Cop. Paul Blart Mall Cop. That guy. Does that 01:30:44.020 --> 01:30:47.100 even take place during Christmas? Sorry, I didn't 01:30:47.100 --> 01:30:48.819 accompany Myers. I think two is during Christmas. 01:30:48.899 --> 01:30:51.239 Okay, great. So Paul Blart 2. Oh, there's Paul 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:53.500 Blart 2. Yes. I can't even remember his name. 01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:56.399 Paul Blart Mall Cop. Paul Blart Mall Cop. Not 01:30:56.399 --> 01:31:00.829 his favorite. Paul Mall Cop Blart. Die Hard. 01:31:01.010 --> 01:31:04.970 Die Hard is a Christmas movie. It will always 01:31:04.970 --> 01:31:07.369 be a Christmas movie. It is the Christmas movie 01:31:07.369 --> 01:31:09.569 that gets me in the holiday spirit. Nothing better. 01:31:10.409 --> 01:31:15.050 Nothing brings Christmas joy like watching Hans 01:31:15.050 --> 01:31:18.390 Gruber fall off the Nagatomi Plaza. That's right. 01:31:19.069 --> 01:31:22.149 Nothing. Nothing better. Do you have a good drinking 01:31:22.149 --> 01:31:24.399 game for this? There is a drinking game out there. 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.319 I have not taken part, but I would be pretty 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:31.140 inborn. I was exposed to the Christmas story 01:31:31.140 --> 01:31:33.119 last year with the Christmas story drinking game. 01:31:33.180 --> 01:31:37.319 And it is deadly. No, it'll get you sloshed. 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.760 Die hard one that I know of. probably would do 01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:43.260 some damage. I would say the reason why I'm particularly 01:31:43.260 --> 01:31:45.220 fond of Die Hard as a Christmas movie is because, 01:31:45.420 --> 01:31:47.140 and I think I mentioned it briefly, but I watched 01:31:47.140 --> 01:31:51.239 it at the indie theater in my hometown for Christmas, 01:31:51.340 --> 01:31:53.800 and that's, I don't know, that's probably why. 01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:55.840 Seeing it in theaters, seeing Hans Gruber fall 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.600 off the Nakatomi Tower Plaza on the silver screen, 01:31:59.779 --> 01:32:01.479 something to behold. Yeah. In Christmas time, 01:32:01.539 --> 01:32:04.340 no less. It's phenomenal. It literally might 01:32:04.340 --> 01:32:06.579 be one of my favorite movies ever, let alone 01:32:06.579 --> 01:32:09.970 Christmas movie. But yeah, Die Hard. It's got 01:32:09.970 --> 01:32:12.149 to take the spot. It just has to. Classic. If 01:32:12.149 --> 01:32:15.069 it doesn't, then there's something seriously 01:32:15.069 --> 01:32:17.890 wrong with me. If the Terminator calls and asks 01:32:17.890 --> 01:32:19.609 what my favorite Christmas movie is and I say 01:32:19.609 --> 01:32:22.090 anything besides Die Hard, I am dead. I think 01:32:22.090 --> 01:32:24.170 we can all agree on an honorable mention to The 01:32:24.170 --> 01:32:26.649 Nightmare Before Christmas. Yes. I wasn't sure 01:32:26.649 --> 01:32:28.920 where to categorize that. Nope. It's hard for 01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:31.159 me because I always see it as a Halloween movie. 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:33.739 It's not a both movie. It's a Halloween movie. 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:35.739 It's a Christmas and Halloween movie. To me, 01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:37.699 I mean, again, it's because Kingdom Hearts, it's 01:32:37.699 --> 01:32:39.680 all in Halloween Town, so I feel like Halloween. 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:41.739 Some of it. No, no, no, no, no, no. I know. Kingdom 01:32:41.739 --> 01:32:43.479 Hearts 3, you go to Christmas Town. Thank you. 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:46.260 But KH1, it's all Halloween Town. All Halloween 01:32:46.260 --> 01:32:49.159 Town. That's why it's cool. As a pod, how are 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:51.149 we... because I know this is something we put 01:32:51.149 --> 01:32:52.989 out on Twitter. So we put it out on Twitter, 01:32:53.050 --> 01:32:55.250 and there's two different polls out there. The 01:32:55.250 --> 01:32:59.050 Twitter poll has both as the leader in the clubhouse. 01:32:59.590 --> 01:33:01.729 The Instagram poll, because I could only put 01:33:01.729 --> 01:33:03.770 two choices, I put Halloween or Christmas, and 01:33:03.770 --> 01:33:08.350 Halloween took the cake. Oh, there you go. Wow. 01:33:08.750 --> 01:33:11.670 Yeah, it's both according to if we give them 01:33:11.670 --> 01:33:13.310 four choices, which is Halloween, Christmas, 01:33:13.369 --> 01:33:15.590 both or neither. How about three choices, Christmas, 01:33:15.689 --> 01:33:20.100 Halloween, both? No. It could be neither. There's 01:33:20.100 --> 01:33:21.640 people that voted neither. It's just a movie. 01:33:22.220 --> 01:33:25.479 But yeah, so... Listeners, if you have thoughts 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:28.479 and opinions on where the Nightmare Before Christmas 01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:31.260 falls in the holiday calendar, please write, 01:33:31.460 --> 01:33:34.039 comment, and subscribe while you're doing so. 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:39.180 We have a Linktree website. Linktree is, honestly, 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:40.539 this is the best thing. There's a free little 01:33:40.539 --> 01:33:43.060 service. If you go to our Linktree, it gives 01:33:43.060 --> 01:33:46.029 you every link available, so it's like... Apple 01:33:46.029 --> 01:33:49.529 Podcasts, Spotify, Twitter, Facebook. Like, you 01:33:49.529 --> 01:33:52.050 can find us. All of us. 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Yeah, I mean, if we're hanging 01:34:22.960 --> 01:34:24.600 out on New Year's and we get bored and we're 01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:26.600 like, let's just watch a movie, I'm sure I can 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:29.000 dredge something up from this brain of bad things 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:30.699 to watch. Oh, we could definitely make something 01:34:30.699 --> 01:34:33.619 happen. I've got plenty of options, too. Yeah, 01:34:34.300 --> 01:34:36.260 we can make this happen. But I'll bring my recording 01:34:36.260 --> 01:34:39.039 equipment just in case we decide to. But thank 01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:40.859 you guys for listening. So that'll do it for 01:34:40.859 --> 01:34:42.460 Game for a Movie, where we ask, are you game 01:34:42.460 --> 01:34:44.779 for a movie? I've been your host, Mike. Andre. 01:34:45.180 --> 01:34:48.439 Jill. Mitchell. Thank you guys very much for 01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:52.239 listening. Are you game for a movie? Die Hard 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:53.960 is a Christmas movie, you bastard!