you know what that sound means it's another episode
of game for a movie where we ask are you game
for a movie i am mike your host i am joined by
andre and jill andre you came in hot yeah i was
ready to go yeah all right all right i love it
yeah uh we've got movies we've also got drinks
we're we've got a lot of stuff to talk about
um andre since you came in hot what are you drinking
over there All right. Well, I might have been
coming in hot, but I am staying cool with this
bourbon peach tea punch, my friend. Oh, it's
a delight. And you give me shit for my transition.
That was cheesy as fuck. Jill and I. So we have
a for the July party coming up and I'm trying.
We're basically trying to taste test this batch
recipe. It's it's black tea, bourbon and peach
liqueur. And it is delightful. The bourbon, if
anybody cares, is Old Forrester. Very refreshing.
Old Forrester 100 proof. That's the bourbon.
And it's delightful. Nice. You guys are having
a 4th of July party without me. It's really surreal
being... Yeah. I was trying to say, is it surreal
to be one room over from Andre? Because there's,
I guess, a bit of a lag for me. Okay. i'm hearing
you know a five second pause and then yes yeah
it is also sad that we are not fourth of july
together it feels it feels like tradition but
i'm not yeah i'm not doing a fourth of july party
this year's it's weird yeah yeah i'm off and
everything but it's just i i haven't found the
need to yet just taking a day then yeah just
taking the day oh yeah um i do have two pork
butts i'm gonna independence day I might watch
Independence Day. I'm probably going to smoke
these two pork butts and then bring it over to
the hospital because Claire's working there.
Okay. So I'll do a little, hey, there you guys
go, lunch. Thank you for all you do. Nice, dude.
Jill, are you having a bourbon peach cocktail?
I am. We're drinking the same thing. I needed
her opinion, too. Yeah, he did. I can't say my
favorite brewery brought back my favorite summer
sour, so I had that today. The Double Rocket
Pop by Alvarium. Oh, I forgot about the Double
Rocket Pop. Yeah. Last year, I verified. Last
year, it was just a Rocket Pop. Now it is a Double.
And it is delicious. I bought a four -pack. Super
excited. Gonna make them last for as long as
I can. Tastes like a melted popsicle. Gets you
drunk. What more could you want? It tastes better
than the Popsicle. I don't even like the Popsicle.
Wait, what? I don't like the Popsicle. You don't
like the Rocket Pop? No, I don't like... I like
lemon ice. I like lemon ice things, but on the
grand spectrum of frozen delights, I definitely
lean towards the creamy and chocolate versus
the fruit and ice. I don't know what to do with
you sometimes. Especially those things that come
in tubes. I just buy stuff. But it doesn't come
in a tube. No, no, no. That's a totally different
product. You're talking about the... Like Flintstone
push -up pop? Yeah. I know what I'm talking about.
The red, white, and blue one. Those push -up
pops were crack. Those were good. Those were
good. Yeah. The red, white, and blue one wasn't
a push -up, though. No, no, no. But I'm just
saying, like, that's a totally different product.
It's all, yeah. I like the red. I like the white
part because I like lemon. Lemon. Cherry and
blueberry. Lemon and blue. I don't like cherry
-flavored things. So the cherry was my least
favorite, then the white, then the blue, which,
guess what? That's the way the pop works. But,
you know, at summer camp, at the end of every
day at summer camp, we would leave and we'd get
a -handed ices or ice cream. That one was one
I would eat. Creamsicles would always be like
a pass. I don't like creamsicles. I'm not a creamsicle
fan. It's artificial orange. I just don't like
that flavor. And then usually if it was a creamsicle
on one side, because there was two ways to get
to the buses, the other side would have like
the broken up cookie bits around like a chocolate
layer and then like a vanilla layer in the middle.
That would be my alternative. But the Flintstone
Push Pops were good. Those are the best. It's
a different type of fruity ice. It's creamy almost.
See, Rocket Pop makes me think of the Fourth
of July. Makes me really want a hot dog real
bad. The point. Is it a lyric from something?
Huh? Is it a lyric from something? No, that's
a quote from Legally Blonde. Oh. There we go.
It is a quote. I knew it. I knew it was from
a thing. Jennifer Coolidge. So Elle is wearing
like red, white, and blue. And Jennifer Coolidge
looks at her and is just like, you make me think
of the 4th of July. And I brought a hot dog real
bad. Oh, gosh. Jennifer Coolidge. What a treasure.
Yeah, right. Hey, what am I drinking? Oh, I'm
glad you guys asked. Sorry. So I got from Appalachian
Mountain Brewing. Can't see it through your green
screen. I know, the green screen's weird. It's
the low and hazy IPA. They have like a pioneer
pack. And so I was like, all right, cool. I'll
test it out. And it's good. Like the three of
them are IPAs. And the last thing I was telling
Andre is a honeydew honeysuckle wheat. Yeah.
a wheat not a wit or a wheat honeysuckle wheat
yes it's the same as the wit though no that's
why i was asking do i remember the difference
no but they're not the same you don't have to
yeah it sounds honeydew how how honey that's
what's that's what's interesting it's very honeydewy
oh is it but like honeysuckle like the honeysuckle
kind of rounds it out a little bit i don't know
i'm not a huge fan of it but I just know nobody
else is going to drink it, and I just wanted
the pack, so I was like, okay, cool. Their can
art is really cool. I like it a lot. Yeah, their
can art is really cool. This one's a sunset over
water. I'm trying to block it so you can see
it past the green screen. Yeah, it is nice. It's
artistic and fun, so I like it a lot. Appalachian
Mountain Brewery. Yeah. We've got some movies
to talk. We do. Funny thing is, I'm starting
it off with, I'll call it a two -banger. It's
not really a two -banger, but it kind of is.
Okay. So I'm talking The Flash. Yeah. And I also
re -watched, literally 10 minutes ago, Flashpoint
Paradox, the animated one, because they are similar
storylines, but they're very different. Yes.
One is better than the other, for sure, and especially
because of who stars in it. And I'm going to
give a little warning right now. I think all
of us respect pronouns and everything like that.
I am going to mess up Ezra Miller's at least
three times during this podcast. Ezra's a they
them. So I'm going to try my best to say that.
But there may be a couple times where I see he,
him, that kind of stuff. The mispronouns are
not out of malice. Yes, it's not out of malice,
even though with Ezra Miller, they probably couldn't.
Even though Ezra Miller has committed many malicious
acts. Complicated, yes. That also leads into
this movie. I think I would like it a lot better
if it wasn't Ezra Miller. You think so? Do they
not do a good job as Barry? No, they do a great
job. But it's just hard to watch them in this
movie. I thought people liked their portrayal
as Barry Allen. Yes, and I will say that Ezra
is very good at the role of Barry Allen. The
problem is seeing Ezra. That's what it is. Takes
you out of the movie. I think this movie would
have been higher on my list with an actor of
the same caliber, but not as complicated behind
the scenes. Okay. sorry i'm dying i'm curious
to know who you'd fan recast and don't yeah right
if you if you can wave a magic wand and have
somebody else that was the problem i don't i
don't know who i would either i kept imagining
grant gustin talking about the cw one just because
he i have that reference yeah um i don't think
he could have done the same in this movie because
he's just call it what it is he's a cw actor
right yeah it's not meant as an insult but very
beloved not that i have seen the flash i don't
know man i've watched the first really go to
bat for his they do and i'm not gonna say wally
i don't know which one he is no it's barry yeah
he's barry um there was a wally at one point
in that show too i think that's my favorite of
the flashes as well wally wally watts is pretty
great well because wait a minute is it wally
is in young justice right that's the okay yeah
kid flash that's kid flash i mean let's just
get mangel rosenbaum back in the you know Yeah,
sure, bring him back. Perfect voice. Just use
AI to de -age him. I'm sure he's down for it.
Right. So the idea of the Flash, basically, he
finds out that he can go back in time, and he
can save his mom from dying. Plus, he also can
save his father, who was wrongfully accused of
killing his mother. So he goes back in time,
he changes one event, saves their life, and then
the butterfly effect, pretty much. Everything
then starts getting out of control. Little things
start changing, but it's mostly mundane, nothing
like that. And then they realize that this change
has created a parallel world where Superman never
landed on Earth, and therefore General Zod's
still in there. Okay. So General Zod is back
in this movie. Yes, Michael Shannon's back in
this movie. I'm pulling up the IMDb now to talk
about what else. Oh, also, Batman is not the
same Batman. Yes. That was kind of hard to hide
because they... Oh, what? They didn't try to
hide it at all. I don't think they tried to hide
that. I was trying to say they leaned really
hard in the marketing. Like, guess who we got?
The thing that was tougher that they tried to
hide but they really didn't try to hide is the
fact that it's Kara L. Right. Instead of Kal
-El. So, it's Supergirl, pretty much. So, honestly...
So, a question. Does Kal -El also exist in this
universe? He just is dead on Krypton? Or is Kara
-El the sub -it for Kal -El? We don't... I'm
trying to remember because it's been two weeks
now. He exists in this world. Yeah. But he went
to another planet. And I think Zod was able to
get to him and kill him as a baby. like he's
not coming back yeah as far as i can in this
in this universe yeah exactly in this universe
we ain't getting kal -el um i will say it's nice
to see michael keaton back as batman that was
kind of fun uh are you disappointed that he because
he he's bruce wayne he's not um thomas wayne
he's bruce right bruce yeah and that's that's
one of the things with the flashpoint paradox
like one of the big comparisons uh is because
flashpoint paradox pretty much same story of
goes back to save his mom and butterfly effect
everything like that one of the things that happens
is one of my favorite batman origins of all time
because if we have to see it at least try to
do something new with it in that world bruce
gets shot and thomas wayne becomes batman but
what's even more fun with their interpretation
is like martha is like holding his chest of bruce
with the blood and everything and she like just
collapses and puts like her hand over her mouth
and you think at first she's crying but then
she kind of comes up and starts laughing with
this big joker grin with blood oh it's so good
oh it is And if you read the, not that I have
read the comics, I'm not going to pretend that
I have, but I think for Martha Arkham is her
last name. Like her, the, her side of the family
in the lore canonically, they've always kind
of hinted like a thread of madness has been there.
So like, it's also really just done so well where
it's like, okay, this isn't completely come out
of left field. I mean, it does, but it's like,
it's like, okay, no, they have established that
Martha Wayne. I think that's stuff. Yeah. And
I think that's why it's so good is because there
is this level of believability you can see, because
especially if you read the comics, there's always
that idea of one bad day could change everybody.
That was the whole thing of killing joke and
everything like that. And they even now have
a comic series called one bad day and it's dealing
with the villains and kind of like what sets
them over the edge. And so it's. Especially with
that now. It's very believable that Martha could
do something like this, where she could become
the Joker. That's Flashpoint Paradox. That's
basically all you need to know about that. It
was just a comparison thing. This one deals with
that Zod's here, and then it also deals with
who's the other bad person? Well, really, it's
the three. The three that were the bad people
in the original, or in the Man of Steel. Okay.
They're all back. Oh, no. Yeah, right. And also,
when the Flash goes back in time, he enters,
like, this time orb. Okay. Which is, that's a
strange twist on things, because I like the fact
that in Flashpoint Paradox, it's basically just
time as this, like, line you're not going toward
you're not sitting there trying to figure out
where you enter things because like they stop
running and they're just in this orb and they're
just peek through like oh is this this timeline
oh it's this point in the timeline and it's really
bad uh cgi at one of these points too you know
how in thor love and thunder there's a kid's
face is floating yeah oh no Oh, yeah, it's that.
He pokes his head through, and it's just kind
of like, oh. Ah, nope. It's really bad. Yeah,
so, but he's in this, like, time orb, and as
he messes with things, more and more are starting
to collide on it, and so you get a lot of cameos.
Okay. I can spoil them for you. Yeah, I mean,
go for it. I'm not going to watch this movie.
Spoilers if you care. Well, yeah, there's going
to be spoilers, yes. But I mean, for you guys.
No, I told you already. I already know. One of
the cameos is the Kevin Smith Superman. Oh. That's
right. Nick Cage as Superman makes an appearance.
Okay, Nick Cage is in this movie. All right,
shit. Yes. It's all for like 50 seconds. Sure.
There's like one part where all the worlds start
to collide and everything like that. There's
also this creature that's in the time orb and
basically is attacking the Flash when he tries
to go back and everything like that. You learn
that it is the other Barry. Because there's two
of them. Exactly. And that Barry doesn't want
to give up on the timeline. Basically, that Barry
is like, no, we saved our mom. We can do this.
I'm going to go back this time and I'll do this
to Zod. He's evil Buzz Lightyear. Yeah. exactly
like i'll do this to zod and i'll i'll be able
to save them then and everything will be okay
and nope he fails again it fails again fails
again fails again and our barry realizes the
only way to solve it is his mom's gotta die and
so he goes back and he's the one that kills his
own mother wow so that's that's yeah and he also
um one of the things that happens it or no Sorry,
I'm just sorry. I take that all back. No, he
doesn't kill his own mother. No, he's thinking
about it, but he's not going to do it. He lets
just the he just doesn't interfere anymore. But
he goes to the store where his dad was supposed
to be getting tomatoes for a tomato sauce. And
the thing he does is, A, he sees his mother and
B, the dad, they found like a clip of the fact
that he might be at the store and not killing
the mom. but he has his hat on and he's looking
down. So what Barry does was he puts the tomatoes
on the top shelf so that he has to look for it
there and his face is clear to the camera. So
he kind of like clears his dad's name. Oh, okay.
I know what you're thinking. He saved his mom
and the whole world went to shit and Zod's back.
How can you do this and not have any problems?
You know what? I didn't think that, but yeah,
good point. Stan? Is there an answer to that?
Everything seems fine. Okay. He wins the court
case. His dad gets his appeal. He gets released
from jail. And Barry goes to celebrate with Bruce
Wayne, who was able to get him the footage. Yeah.
And Bruce Wayne is played by George Clooney.
He's back, bitch. Oh. Bat nipples. Is he wearing
the nipple suit? No, it is literally, it's him
as Bruce Wayne. It's as Bruce Wayne, okay. Yeah,
yeah. Okay. That's fine, that's great. Okay.
He like pulls up in like a super fancy car and,
you know, he steps out and they make a whole
deal and he's just like, Barry, I'm so glad we
won. And Barry's looking at him like, Bruce?
Bruce? Fade to black. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty
much exactly that. Okay, well, so I get some
high -level questions for you here, right? Okay.
Does this kind of put a neat little bow on the
Spider - or the Spider -Verse, the Snyder -Verse?
No. No? No. If anything, they made more questions,
because now everything's connected. Okay. You
know, because, like, and, like, they address
multiverse and everything like that, so I guess
technically, yes. Yeah. But now everything is
connected. Where we got George Clooney now as
Batman. Okay, is George Clooney going to be Batman
in the new DC Universe? Is Ezra Miller going
to be back? Ezra Miller is definitely not going
to be back in a way. Reports are all saying that
they love Ezra. Really? And that was the thing.
I'm sitting here going, I can't believe this.
I can't believe this. We might get another movie
with Ezra Miller as The Flash. There was a thing
that the studio was like, if it made a lot of
money. but it didn't make a lot of that's the
problem right i i do have a question i know you
already asked you have more andre but i want
to sneak one in um are you i don't know if you
ever thought it was going to happen but were
you disappointed it's too strong of a word let
down is that better that christian bale batman
was not oh my god even for like a 25 second music
moment where like he zipped by. I would not want
him in there. Would you have wanted that? No,
I really didn't. I was shocked with the Nicolas
Cage and even that I was actually kind of a little
disappointed more so with that because like this
is a movie that didn't even get made and like
we're just, it's a big old cock tease. Like,
come on. But like, like, I think the best now,
one of the, looking back on it, one of the qualities
of the Nolan trilogy is age. The best is that
it's not tied to anything else. Right. It's such
a contained thing. Yeah. And it's in, and I guess
on that note, like, so rubber, rubber Benson
doesn't show up. Right. Like, please. Okay. Great.
Robert Benson does not show up. And then I hope
that that's the case. Right. Like, let that be
its own thing. Literally. All we see is Keaton.
uh nick cage uh and then there was a joke about
uh adam west oh okay you know and like there
wasn't much they could do with that one no right
exactly and i mean like i don't even think it
was footage of nick cage this year i think it
was just him like standing there in the suit
they had it on the cutting room floor and then
it was kind of just like shit it was shadowed
almost Oh, interesting. So do you think they
just asked permission, like, hey, we have this
old footage of you, we're going to use it for
this cameo? Pretty much. I don't think it's actually
that kind of stuff. The only one that actually
makes an appearance is Keaton and Clooney. Because
they had Wes, they had, and obviously they couldn't
do anything with that. And then they have Nick
Cage as Superman. The only other thing I'm thinking
is there was another one, because they always
come in threes, and I can't remember which one
that one was. But that one wasn't anything important.
is what i'll say um there definitely was something
but i don't know what exactly um just because
i don't remember exactly which one but it wasn't
that big a deal oh christopher reeve christopher
reeve was in there the original oh okay that's
a good nod yeah so so the other question that
i have is if we being in different you know alternate
universes dcu is not gonna get the big reset
button treatment probably not have fixed the
problem with the dcu no there we go i'm just
gonna say it now um i think just because we still
have to lay the groundwork and gun's gonna lay
the groundwork his way and i don't you could
definitely attach some of this to this movie
and go like yeah this is just a different multiverse
like this is yeah earth 412 um I just think this
is just going to be what it is, which is just
a standalone movie that doesn't get drawn to
anything else. We also saw a trailer for the
Blue Beetle. I like those trailers. I'm like,
I think this is surviving. It's... I don't know,
man. It's so hard to care. Why even put it out?
Why even put it in theaters then? But also, at
the same time, do you remember when we were all
freaking gutted when they just decided to totally
can the Batgirl movie? Yeah, but that was a movie
starring a female protagonist, so they figured
they could get away with it and no one would
blink an eye. I guess so. Right, but I'm just
saying that's still a bad outcome too, but I'm
just saying it's... It's damned if you do, damned
if you don't, really, at this point, right? And
because he's Latino, you know, like... Oh, that
would just be horrible for headlines. Exactly.
And that would kill everything. I mean, that
would literally kill everything if they didn't
release this one. I'm surprised they're still
releasing Aquaman 2. I wonder if that's... Well,
because Aquaman 1 did pretty decent, right? Yeah,
but what is it... Because of the post -pandemic
world we live in with movie releases and Disney's
kind of... needs to figure this out too if you
have a streaming platform you can do things where
it's in theaters and 30 days later it's on said
platform you could do it for free you could do
it for 15 20 bucks like the way they did with
mulan right like something like blue beetle i
understand probably the list of reasons the execs
have about why it has to happen in theaters versus
put this on max make it five dollars and try
and get in new subscribers that way well that's
what i was shocked by batgirl was that they had
90 of the movie done right yeah like it was it
cost more money to shelve it at this point than
it does to finish it just put on max if you're
not confident with it but it happened at a really
it happened at a bad time what i would say the
aquaman is i wonder even with even the same blue
beetle i bet that these are discussions they
have had And they've come up with reasons why.
And I wonder if one of the reasons for Aquaman
is like Jason Momoa is like, if you do this,
like contact, you don't want to burn that bridge.
You don't want to burn that bridge. And also
maybe a breach of contract. Yeah. Right. They
did just put him as the villain in fast X. So
like, he's not, I don't know how fast X goes,
but I'm guessing they're going to keep him around.
So he's not someone they want to piss off right
now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm intrigued. I don't know
where they're going to go with this. I don't
know what the big reset button is going to be.
I think there's still going to be a big reset
button. I really do. I really thought that this
was going to be it. This movie was going to end.
The way that they were talking about this movie
in context of James Gunn's DC vision was that
I had this idea in my head that they tacked on
a new ending to like, oh. They absolutely fucked
the timeline and the Snyder universe is gone
and it's going to be a new horizon. Well, the
only reason I say no is because of the Superman
legacy castings. Okay. Yeah. Because they are
starting from pretty young Superman. Right. And
well, and James Gunn said as much that he wants
it to be a younger Superman or like mid -ish
20s or something like that. Right. Is what he's
going for. Which could have been fine for this
movie if that's the age Superman was. Superman
wasn't that age. So, yeah. Okay. Well, where
does it rank? I mean, please don't go through
the ranking of all the DC movies, but just on
average, how is this ranking for the DC? What's
their batting average? So, I'm going to pull
up my rankings real quick. I have them in the
letterboxd. Oh, okay, perfect. The DCEU, I have
it in a list. DCEU, let's see. So I have Wonder
Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey,
Aquaman. That's probably where it goes after.
After Aquaman. Have you seen Shazam 2? I have
not seen Shazam 2 because of word of mouth. So
that will be not included in this ranking. That
will not be included in this ranking, but I'm
pretty confident. I feel pretty good about the
fact that it's going to go in the Wonder Woman
1984 Batman v Superman territory. Where does
the snyder cut go right after flash right after
flash okay so you like this a little bit better
than the snyder a little bit better and again
i think the reason i like it a little bit is
because um it's not four hours long yeah i mean
that's that's a big thing in its favor i guess
yeah and i mean like the snyder cut is is leaps
and bounds better than it should be The issue
that I had is that it's four hours. They should
have kept that as a miniseries or whatever. That's
how I perceive it. You sit down, you watch it,
and then when a title drop happens for the next
one, you pause and you leave. Take a half an
hour break. Or whatever. Get another beer. I'm
getting hammered watching the Snyder. It's just
as cohesive whether you're sober or drunk, man.
I mean, whatever. If you watched it in gray.
Yeah. Yeah, so I would say it's right about there.
What is that? Quantify that into a rank of out
of five. I'll say three out of five. Three out
of five time orbs. Sure. Without Ezra Miller,
I think it could go to a 3 .5. Cool. And that's
what's tough, too, is because, like I said, it
just takes my enjoyment away seeing them. And
it's hard because they are 100 % in this movie.
If it's not our Lionberry, it's the other Lionberry.
It could be two different characters, but it's
still Ezra Miller. Yeah, they're such a huge
focus, they're in there twice, right? Exactly.
And that's another reason why I said I wouldn't
be shocked if DC goes and says, we're going to
keep Ezra Miller. I really hope not. God forbid.
Maybe they just don't even care about the optics
anymore. They're like, we survived it. We're
through. Another thing about that is there's
jokes in this about drugging people and stuff
like that. This was clearly written before. It
was filmed in 2019 or something like that. Half
of it was filmed while these things were happening.
Got it. When they were in Hawaii. fun so yeah
um i'll say three out of five time orbs um 3
.5 if it was somebody other than ezra miller
but yeah i mean it's not bad um and while we're
on the subject i'll say that the flashpoint paradox
gets a four out of five okay uh wait a minute
hold on hold on hold on is the flashpoint paradox
is that the movie so if there's like the meme
of like of of reverse flash like kicking flash's
face in the ground saying it was me barry i was
the one who you know technically yes but that's
not actually what happens that's the funny thing
about it all right because the flash was like
calling him out going like what did you do and
he goes that's the best part barry i did none
of this this was you and okay so it's the exact
opposite of what actually happened but like exactly
yeah somebody took it dubbed it over and yeah
exactly no this was actually like his fault like
apparently zoom That's that's what they call
him, like Dr. Zoom or something like that. I
can't remember exactly. It's they even mentioned
it's reverse flash, but they don't they don't
call him the same thing. It's Thawne is his name.
Right. But that isn't that isn't Thawne like
his like real name or whatever. I don't know.
I don't know. Eobald Thawne or something. Eobard.
He's the mean. He's the guy. He's the yellow
flash who's mean and not nice. And that's the
funny thing, too, is like when he wakes up in
this new world. um basically he's left a ring
with thomas wayne okay and so like it's that's
what keeps the suit and everything like that
so he like launches it and is it his suit no
of course not it's the yellow flash suit and
basically thomas wayne's just like yeah he wants
you to know that he did this oh okay gotcha so
yeah i'll give that a four out of five uh batman
guns Flashpoint. This is the Flashpoint. Because
Thomas Wayne uses guns. There's no anti -gun.
That's fine. I'm not going to get down. I'm not
going to go down the 20 minute diatribe of why
Batman should never use guns. But Thomas Wayne,
that's fine. It's an alternate universe. That's
fine. right it's not bruce wayne doing that i
guess right this is where my line is and basically
he's just come to the conclusion that like this
solves problems get rid of people there's also
not harley quinn there's yo -yo yo -yo might
as well be harley quinn okay sure yeah all right
makes sense yeah yeah so uh talking about batshit
crazy stuff yeah Let's get real batshit crazy.
Yeah, let's get nuts. Batman might not kill people,
but you know what does kill people? Bears that
are addicted to cocaine. And cocaine. And cocaine.
Bears, cocaine. Cocaine, bears. And Battlestar
Galactica. A lot of people die in Battlestar
Galactica. Most of the human race does, actually.
it's kind of a bummer yeah talk cocaine bear
cocaine bear yeah the movie that captured uh
and you know 15 seconds of fame because of the
wackadoo concept the wackadoo trailer and the
crazy poster and then a fair amount of people
i guess saw it because per wikipedia they grossed
89 million dollars oh that's not bad okay budget
made for 30 to 35 million so are you ready for
feeding cocaine to are you ready for the are
you ready for the cocaine uh universe because
there is a movie universe there is a there is
a movie coming out uh that is something uh because
there's cocaine shark That already exists. Oh,
no. Was it like a B -movie, like Sharknado? Yes.
There's something on the Wikipedia page about
it. Are you trying to imply that this isn't a
B -movie? Like, come on. No, but compared to
Cocaine Shark. Yes. No, I'm talking about Cracoon.
Cracoon. Oh. crack addicted raccoon you mean
is this confirmed in the same universe from everything
everywhere all at once okay because funny enough
there also opens a time orb halfway through the
movie and yeah right yeah it's crazy i just don't
know which which uh drugged up animal universe
we're talking about here okay so it's a book
Oh, it's a book. Okay, got it. Well, this is
based off of a true story, supposedly. Yeah,
very loosely based off a true story. I think
they definitely take some liberties. So wait,
here's Cracoon the book. When a synthetically
altered street drug is discarded in the woods
by a drug dealer during a car chase with police,
the fallout proves nothing less than horrific
when an innocent raccoon eats it. transforming
it into a nightmarish killing machine straight
from the bowels of hell wow the teenage mutant
ninja turtles to do a psa about why crack is
smack yeah see the only thing the teenage ninja
turtles are addicted to is pizza yeah did you
see the like original meme about the cocaine
bear when that was no it was literally like um
there was a bit because it is loosely based on
a true story there was a bear that found like
75 pounds of cocaine. I have it right in front
of me. And it lived for 48 hours or something
like that. And somebody goes, literally, just
imagine that was the apex predator. Like a bear
on 75 pounds of cocaine that lived for 48 hours.
I mean, to be honest. So, I mean, spoilers, I
guess, a little bit. This movie, directed by
Elizabeth Banks, stars Kerry Russell, Margo Martindale,
the guy who played young Han Solo, Alden. Alden,
yeah. Alden, Aaron Rake. Aaron Rake. Ray Liotta,
may he rest in peace, Jesse Tyler Ferguson. This
movie is crazy. I would say... I'm just gonna...
I just preface that if you've ever seen the movie
Tucker and Dale versus evil and you liked that.
Oh, I love it. Bear is not a better movie, but
it's in that. There are, there are vibes of horror
comedy, but like absurdist, like a cube time,
the gore. Yeah. Okay. so what i was going to
say is like the crazy thing is that the amount
of cocaine this bear does is all at once this
bear is either oh no the bear doesn't try cocaine
one time they rise at multiple times and clearly
gets addicted to it they use clearly cocaine
to lure the bear away like a like a piece of
cartoon meat right yeah lots of packets of cocaine
and it's like it's more impressive that it just
doesn't die because of how much cocaine it does
right over a prolonged amount of time um the
plot is that you know there's a plot there there's
there's actually two technically three concurrent
plots going on man so one plot is the cocaine
itself it landed in i think georgia tennessee
knoxville um in the woods So not Knoxville proper.
So it's a bunch of drug dealers going to the
woods to get the pick up because they have to
find it. Oh, no, you're right. It is in Northeast
Georgia. I'm sorry. I apologize. Oh, come on
now. I know. So one plot is them going to get
the money, going to get the cocaine so then they
can sell it, obviously. Another plot is, I think,
like a 12, 13 -year -old girl and her friend
decide to play hooky from school and go into
the woods to do some shenanigans. And plot C
slash 3A, 3B. The plot 3 has a couple little
bits. There is Margo Martindale as a park ranger
who is alerted to the dangers of the bear. One
of the best villains ever. Character actress
Margot Martindale. She was in season three of
Justified. Season two or three. I haven't seen
it. Oh, it's so good. It's a shame her character
does not survive this movie. Spoilers. I said
spoilers. There's no spoilers. Come on. There's
her plot. It's a fucking cocaine bear. And she's
a little cute thing with Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
There's like three little punks who are stealing
money from the park ranger's office. And then
shenanigans happens with them. And then there
is by far my favorite character. Okay. the there's
a detective cop lieutenant um that's not ponytail
right no and now of course i'm trying to remember
his name my favorite character and i can't even
remember his name so sad his dog though rosette's
owner oh oh isaiah whitlock jr yes who plays
He's from The Wire. He's the center for The Wire.
Then there is Bob, Detective Cop something or
other, who is on the lookout and he gets tipped
off that there are drug dealers in the area.
His path crosses with them. At the same time,
he just adopted a new dog named Rosette. He's
still getting accustomed to Rosette. So there's
a whole emotional journey there. And from there,
the bear just wreaks shenanigans and mayhem.
He kills a lot of people. Your favorite word
is shenanigans, isn't it? There's a lot of shenanigans
in this movie. The next person that says shenanigans
gets pistol whipped. Take a drink every time
someone says shenanigans. There is some pistol
whipping in this movie, isn't there? Yeah. this
movie doesn't waste a lot of time to get to what
everybody came to the table to see a bear on
cocaine killing people raccoon got it yeah yeah
and like in and you mentioned that you saw the
ambulance scene which is kind of in the middle
of the movie um that's probably the best part
of the movie i think that's the most bonkers
like yeah well that's like the most like this
is the thesis statement of the movie right there
he just runs down an ambulance yeah somehow Margo
Martindale accidentally shoots somebody in the
goddamn face. Yeah. Pops his head like a melon.
And then the face against the gravel. She's bleeding
out because she's been clawed by a bear multiple
times. In the ass. In the ass. Yeah. That's Cocaine
Bear. Is it the best Ray Liotta performance?
No, no, not even really close. You know, I think
I think a part of him would be proud that he
could say that this is my last film appearance.
OK, there's not many people. There's not many
people that can say their last movie was Cocaine
Bear. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Was it my favorite
movie in the world? No. Did I feel like my time
was wasted a little bit? Did I have some fun?
I did. Oh, technically his last movie was Fool's
Paradise. I haven't heard of that. That's the
Charlie Day movie. Oh! Is that out? Yeah. Oh,
yeah. Yeah, that's out. It's almost on TV already
because it's so bad, apparently. Oh, really?
It didn't look very good. Yeah. He plays, like,
a silent idiot, right? Yeah, and the funny thing
is, like, I kind of like the premise, but apparently
it's just, nope. Oof, 16 % of Rotten Tomatoes.
That's not great. Yeah, it might be one of the
next bad movies. Yeah. This was, uh, did Andre
pay to see it? No, because we checked it out
from our local library. That's true, we did use
our local library. Yeah, it's the library. That
was the appropriate method to use. Yeah, no,
it's just, get some beers, get some friends,
get some substances if you partake. You'll have
a fun time with cocaine there. Actually, that
sounds like a good idea. But also, don't do cocaine.
Don't do cocaine. The movie is very clear about
cocaine bad. Cocaine is bad. I was just thinking
of what Ray Liotta movie I saw recently. I rewatched
Identity. If you've never seen that one. It's
a good one. Go for it. I'll tell you what I'm
thinking. It's like 10 people at a hotel and
they're stuck there for the night and they get
picked off one by one by one. And Ray Liotta
is a cop that has a prison transport that he's
responsible for and everything. And I'm trying
to think who else is in this movie. What's his
name? Shoot. Crap. We're doing so well on remembering
people's names today. Oh, but it's directed by
James Mangold. Oh, okay. John Cusack. That's
who it was. John Cusack and Amanda Peete. There
also was Alfred Molina. And John C. McGinley.
And Jake Busey, the brother of Gary Busey. So
I'm verifying this, what I think it is. Was it
Ray Liotta? No, I guess he's not. I thought Ray
Liotta was in... the really bad He -Man Masters
of the Universe movie from the 80s, but it's
a Skeletor. It's not Ray Liotta. Oh, no, it's
not Ray Liotta as Skeletor. That's for damn sure.
How dare I? I don't know. I just can't imagine
Ray Liotta as Skeletor. I'm looking at his Wikipedia
page. He's in Muppets from Space. Skeletor was
Franklin Jella. Franklin Jella, Ray Liotta. No.
I don't see it. No, not at all. He's in Muppets
from Space. Oh my God, no. Yes, he is. I'm looking
right at it. No, no, that's not. You know what
I'm talking about. He's also in the Bee movie.
Really? He's in all of these movies. He's in
Charlie St. Cloud. Great movie. He's been in
a lot of movies. I know, but I'm enjoying all
the movies I've seen him in are the worst ones.
Have you seen The Goodfellas? No, I've never
seen it. Or just Goodfellas, right? Goodfellas
is excellent. He's in a bunch of those crime
movies. I'm pretty sure he was in Casino, which
is like... I think so? He's in Date Night, which
I think Andre and I watched. Yeah, we did. Yeah,
we did watch that. I know he's known for mobster
movies, right? Yes, he's definitely known for
mobster movies. QB Halloween. How did you guys
not mention that one? I haven't seen it. He's
in Field of Dreams. Haven't seen that either.
I really want to watch Field of Dreams. No, he's
also in Field of Dreams 1. I know, but Field
of Dreams 2 as well. What's Field of Dreams 2?
What's two Field of Dreams 2 faster? Field of
Dreams 2 Lockout from 2011. It's a short, not
a full movie. Lockout? Lockout. That doesn't
sound like the same thing. No. Oh, he's in Blow.
Haven't seen that. I've seen Blow. Wait, what?
He's in Field Dreams 2. I'm looking at his filmography
right now. He plays Roger Goodall. What? Not
the same character? No. I don't know why. I think
that's hilarious. That's awesome. You're welcome.
He was Shoeless Joe, but he's actually somebody
else in this movie. He's Shoeless Joe? I've heard
of that. I haven't seen the movie. He was in
Hannah Montana. Oh, wow. Great. I need to put
a goddamn rating on this movie. No, you don't.
You need to find out that he was Bob in Free
Shirt. Alright, I give this one 2 .7 Park Rangers
out of 5, okay? 2 .7? 2 .7? Yes, that third Park
Ranger had their limb gnawed off by his back.
0 .3 of it gone. I mean... I'll give it... give
it a three like i have a fun time with it yeah
i'll give it a three you know or fine i'll give
it a 2 .97 out of five uh paint the rainbows
a little pinky bit off there just a little pinky
three pushes it into a higher echelon. This is
so weird because I'm still hearing you so well
where you're just like a little pinky and you've
completely disappeared off the screen. I know.
Well, it's because I'm grabbing another beverage,
my friend. This is the beer fridges strategically
placed right next to my computer so I can still
use my headset. But, you know, let's just say
Rosette is okay at the end of the movie. Yes,
Rosette makes it through. You don't need to Google
does the dog die? Rosette lives. Oh, thank God.
Thank God the dog doesn't die. I would literally
fight everybody. That's what I kept calling Audrey.
I'm like, if that dog... Something happened to
my dog. If something happens to an animal, like
there's 10 out of 10 times I will ride against
that movie. I mean, I also another appropriate
rating would be 2 .97 out of five CGI bears.
That's true. The bear CGI was a little rough.
I don't know what you're talking about. I saw
the trailer. It looked great. It's a real bear.
It's a real bear. Real bear. They just gave it
peanut butter so it could talk. Uh -huh. Oh,
my God. All right, what's worse CGI? Hold up.
Bear from Cocaine Bear. Or Talking Kangaroo Jack
from Kangaroo Jack. Oh, my God. So actually,
it's interesting you brought this up because
this is like you recontextualize Kangaroo Jack.
It could be Cocaine Bear, but Cocaine Kangaroo.
They have a lot of parallelisms to a point. And
with some like you go in and just some adjustments
to the script. Cocaine Kangaroo. It actually
sounds kind of good. We're going to make the
crack universe. Co -kangaroo. Co -kangaroo. Co
-kangaroo. I need to watch Kangaroo Jack again,
but I think I'll prefer the CGI there. No, you
do not need to watch Kangaroo Jack. You're not
even trying to suspend disbelief there, you know
what I mean? Isn't there a second Kangaroo Jack?
They made two of them, yes. Isn't there an animated
series, too? Yes, Today USA. Andre, if we're
going to watch Kangaroo Jack, then we have to
watch Paul Giamatti in Big Fat Liar. Big fat
liar. I should have gotten an alcoholic beverage
instead of the spin drift, but here we are. You're
not drinking alcohol anymore? No. It's a school
night, my friend. We're going to have some champagne
tomorrow. Champagne tomorrow for reasons we talked
about prior. And also just because we have room
in the beer fridge and we need to get rid of
it. That's the thing. Claire's in Cincinnati
right now and she's driving back tomorrow with
a bunch of beer. Nice. And so she goes, you better
clear the fridge. So I'm like, oh, cool. I didn't
expect to get drunk tonight, but here we are.
Sometimes it just happens. I want to posit a
thought experiment for a moment before we move
into our next segue. Before we move into the
next final bit. We're about to celebrate America's
birthday, 4th of July. Happy Independence Day.
Watch your movies. I was listening to a music
podcast and they were talking about Bruce Springsteen,
born in the USA. And they made the point that
if you look at like the album cover, he is the
original America's ass. Yes, he is. And like
the whole story about that whole thing, too,
where she was just kind of like she basically
said, well, why don't you stand this way and
like have your hand in your pocket and everything?
And it was completely by accident that they got
this shot. And it's one of the most iconic albums
of all time. Probably. Like album covers, I should
say. It's pretty, yeah. That album, because that's
Born in the USA. Does that also have Dancer in
the Dark on it? Dancing in the Dark, not Dancer
in the Dark. Dancer in the Dark. I don't know.
I'll need to look it up. We're not a music podcast
if it's not obvious. We're not a music podcast.
Thanks for this weird tangent. Yes. If you want
a good... Fourth of July movie. I got one for
you. Not Independence Day. Okay. Live Free or
Die Hard. Oh, God. Yes, it is. It's centered
around Fourth of July. What number of that is
that? That's four? Can we skip three? No, don't
skip three. Three's still great. Is three good?
Dude, I'm sorry, man. Like, Die Hard 2 sucked
so hard for me. Yeah, it's not great. Does Air
Force One take place on Fourth of July? I don't
know. Air Force One is just a day. It's just
a day. The Die Hard rankings. Die Hard 1. Die
Hard 3. Die Hard 4. Die Hard 2. And then the
other one doesn't exist. Wow. I thought I could
have sworn. I thought you had numbered. I thought
you had two as your number. I jokingly. No, I
jokingly had it as one of my top five Christmas
movies. Yeah. Looking at a list now of the best
20, the 20 best movies to watch on the 4th of
July. My hat to throw in this ring. It's not
all about on the 4th of July, but it starts on
the 4th of July is Benjamin Button. Okay, I don't
know. America's history told through the eyes
of a man eating backwards. Yeah, okay. Sure,
man. It existed. Lincoln, the Sandlot. Oh, that's
a good one. Sandlot's a good one. There's the
whole Fourth of July scene. That's a good summer
Fourth of July movie. Yeah, that's a good one.
That's a good one. That's up there. The Music
Man, which has a big period for the Fourth of
July. If you like musicals and you haven't seen
it. I mean, Mel Gibson sucks, but The Patriot
was pretty good. The Patriot. Jaws. I mean, honestly,
straight up. Saving Private Ryan, I disagree
with. Jaws, definitely, because he wanted all
that money for Fourth of July weekends and left
it open. Yep. Yeah. Us is on this list. Glory,
which I have not seen since middle school. Us?
Us isn't a 4th of July movie. I know they go
in the lake, but not 4th of July. Apparently
the Hands Across America is the tethering stuff.
The Esquire is arguing it is a 4th of July movie.
Selma. Selma, okay. Hamilton. That's a good one.
You know what I'm not watching on 4th of July?
What? Dances with Wolves. dances with wolves
yeah i would like to spend the rest of my day
outside instead of five hours inside america
world police national treasure everybody that
oh national treasure you're right that's probably
the correct answer that's the answer even book
of secrets down down for it yeah make it a double
feature why not of course i kind of see that
couple other red dawn red dawn That's a good
one. I've never seen it, but I've heard of. You
need to watch the 80s one, just so we're all
clear. No, I'm talking about the one from the
80s. Yeah, I totally forgot they rebooted it.
Holy crap, that was one of the many... Is it
still Russians who are invading? No, that was...
That was Koreans, wasn't it? I think so, but
I think it was generic Asians. Oh, right, right.
I don't think they said a country. They were
just kind of like, oh, the Asians are attacking.
Yes. It was that bad. If you have a preferred
4th of July movie to watch, tweet us on Twitter.
Doing better than myself. Hey, we're everywhere.
It came for a movie. Hopefully you don't exceed
your rate limit for Twitter. I'm not really on
Twitter. We're so glad you spend one of your
600 tweets reading our tweets. Thank you in advance.
People that like the fact that I was on a bar
crawl yesterday for America. God bless them.
I got thanked for my service for going on a bar
crawl for America. Hell yeah. With the Denny's
commercial, what did it taste like? America.
It did taste like America. I had my Ulysses -esque
pants on. Hell yeah. Guys, I want to talk about
this goddamn movie so bad. Let's do it. Where
are we going? Across the Spider -Verse? Across
the Spider -Verse. Yeah! The sequel to Into the
Spider -Verse. The much, much waited, highly
anticipated sequel. Yes. So good. We saw it twice.
We did. We just saw it again on Friday. Yeah.
So we saw it opening day. And I think we saw
it the day after. But yeah, we were so torqued
for this movie, like ready to go. Dude, it was
one of the worst theater experiences ever. Yeah.
If you're a teenage boy and you're listening
to this podcast, The rudest thing you can do
is disrupt a movie by shrieking and shouting
and then pulling out your phone and trying to
record the last 45 minutes of the movie. I don't
know if you're aware of this. That is illegal.
And if somebody sees you doing that, they definitely
have the right to take your phone, march it up
to someone who works for the movie theater and
present it as evidence and then throw your ass
in jail. So don't do that. Shut up. I know your
mom bought the movie and you didn't buy the tickets.
But we're all here to enjoy this thing. If you
want to be a brat, go be there somewhere else.
So yeah, off the top rope. I wanted to hold me
back from yelling at them. No, it was so it was
so frustrating because like I knew the movie
that was happening in front of us was so good,
but it was so we were taken out of it like every
10 minutes. I'm glad you guys got to see it a
second time at least. And it was so much better.
I found a pen in my bag and I really debated
throwing it at the back of one of their heads.
they would never have known it was me yeah it
was no the problem is they think it's andre and
then poor beautiful andre would get into a fistfight
with a child no yes i'm gonna yes i'm gonna get
in a fistfight with a group of 10 teenagers at
least at least to our to our you know to the
theater's credit other people were also equally
mad because they were being destructive but Enough
about that. Let's talk about a great movie. I
want to talk about Andre's canon event being
getting beat up by 10, 14 girls. Just let it
happen, Jill. It's his canon event. This is how
you became Spider -Man. Yep, yep, yep. No, this
is how Jill became Spider -Man. Andre's dead.
Spider -Jill. As long as I have a cool music
motif that goes along whenever I show up. Yeah,
I don't really know where to start with this
one. I would say that obviously if you enjoyed
Into the Spider -Verse, definitely go see Across
the Spider -Verse. Light spoilers? All spoilers?
I don't know, man. I don't know how to talk about
this movie without spoiling the shit. I think
it's just spoil at this point. We're going to
say light spoilers, although we do apologize.
We'll do our best. I haven't confirmed with Mike,
but I love this movie. I thought this movie was
great. Highly recommend. Go see it. No shocker.
We really liked this. We had an interesting conversation
after we saw it because you had said, and I think
this is the right way to put it, comparing it
to the first one, it's comparing a 9 out of 10
movie to a 10 out of 10 movie. It's still great.
It's hard because you're comparing them, but
I did... I didn't like this one as much as the
first one, but I still very much enjoyed it.
Highly recommend it for everybody. I'll echo
my sentiment. So I guess this is a slight spoiler.
This is a part two of three films. This is the
middle child. It's the second chapter. They could
totally fuck up the ending, and it's like, well...
We're not going to Crystal Skull this. no dude
yeah i don't know like but like what happens
like if beyond the spider -verse comes out and
it kind of doesn't stick the landing does that
we're getting ahead of ourselves guys let's talk
about let's actually let's talk about how we
even get to this film's ending if depending on
how much we want to spoil it so into the spider
-verse tells the story of how miles morales becomes
brooklyn i don't remember the name is universes
brooklyn's new spider -man through events and
things he meets other spider people he learns
he's not alone and he grows into his own across
the spider -verse definitely still follows miles
morales's story but what's really cool is that
it explores and goes deeper into gwen stacy's
yeah like gwen's almost the real not real second
main character yeah well like it's it's it's
her arc because like the movie opens obviously
with gwen's like gwen's universe not obviously
you haven't seen it what's that not obviously
if you haven't seen it no it's right sure but
anyways yeah like it opens with gwen's gwen's
universe she fights the vulture that's where
we're introduced to spider -man 2099 and spider
woman um and uh you know like it's her arc that
starts and ends you know what i mean that book
ends the movie right yeah which makes sense right
because like this is like the middle part of
a chapter this is the middle part there's a cliffhanger
like like we still need to have miles doing stuff
in the in the third one right so it's like it
kind of makes sense to have gwen's arc be one
of the main focuses which is great it's awesome
well and especially the way it goes with it too
is like how much gwen grew as as like a i don't
want to say as a person or like as anything other
than she made decisions for herself now and and
like it's kind of fun to see that where it's
like she's you know she's always the punk and
everything like that but really she's pretty
much a rule follower when it comes to being spider
person for sure she you know she she's not consigned
to her fate she goes from nihilistic to hopeful
really right which is cool yeah yeah and that's
i i agree completely with that plus like her
stuff with her dad and everything like that i
thought that was one of the coolest moments was
the paint dripping behind them yeah uh in that
moment because i thought it was just it's another
little touch that they do with this animation
that's great like in the first one how miles
was slower animation than everybody else to right
he was animated he was animated at a different
rate than exactly here was because he still put
it together exactly and those little things are
just what makes this series so cool to to me
well yeah right it's just it's this is the first
like we're you know making jokes about fucking
multiverses and how exhausting they are but like
this is the first like multiverse movie That
takes advantage of the fact that, yes, we're
in different universes. These universes should
look vastly different. You know, Gwen Stacy's
Manhattan looks totally different from Miles's,
which looks totally different from Mumbat and
which looks totally different from Nueva York.
You know what I mean? Yeah, right. That we're
going to all these different universes and all
these characters look so cool and unique. And
it's just it's awesome to see on the screen.
Yes. The animation in this one makes the one
the animation in the first like the both look
amazing. This one blows the animation out of
the water for the 2018 one. So if that if you
didn't care much about the story, but you were
there to sit through for the visuals, do that
again because you won't be disappointed. I wonder
if the budget was was a lot higher. I bet they
must have been. yeah proof of concept definitely
i'm pretty sure well i'm pretty sure they had
more animators for it too um which is weird because
there's a lot of stories about how many animators
i was gonna ask if we wanted to talk about some
other stuff about the thing is what i'll say
is that yes they lost more animators but i also
think they had more off the top not the thing
i was talking about oh what were you going to
talk about like the overworking and how yeah
there's been a lot of crunch around this yeah
somebody i don't know if it was phil or lord
was like no we didn't do crunch time and then
right i think it's lord because i think miller
they were saying wasn't as but i don't know i
i thought i made a joke all right We don't need
to talk about that. We stand with the writers.
Yes, we stand with the writers. And also, hey,
let's try to... Making art is very hard. It requires
a lot of passion, a lot of effort. There's a
way to be ethical about it, I think. And that's
the thing. I don't think he has that balance
yet. Yeah. Gwen Stacy, we were talking about
that. Miles' story has been Spider -Man for about
a year now. He's still figuring things out. He's
starting to be really conflicted on whether or
not he'd tell his parents. Right. His villain
for his plot, the Spot, played by Jason Schwartzman,
right? Yes. It's fantastic. They set him up as
the villain of the week. I absolutely love what
they did with Spot because I thought he was such
a stupid villain. And by the end, I'm actually,
like, afraid of him. Well, right, because they
did a good job of setting that up. Because, like,
in the trailers, it's just that ATM scene where...
With the bread. With the bread falling out of
his stomach and he has no idea what he's doing.
And it's just like, okay, yeah. And they play
it off well. Like, Miles was like, what is your
deal, dude? Who cares? This spot even has an
arc in this where he goes from, you know, one
to another. He thinks he's, like, a screw -up
and everything like that. But then all of a sudden,
he realizes his potential, even. And it's...
Honestly, I think they did a really good job
with Spot, and I hate it because just looking
at him going, oh, this is the major villain?
Right. Really? Yeah. It's a good plot arc with
that. So that kind of kicks off Miles' story
through mechanisms of plot. He re -encounters
Gwen, and together they ultimately go off across
the Spider -Verse, and they land in... probably
one of my favorite segments of the whole film
credits yeah um and when you get to meet the
spider person of that universe and their whole
the way it all looks is so unique the way it
sounds the way it's animated i don't want to
give too much away about this particular character
and that's kind of the halfway point of the movie
where now we're officially off to the races with
the the multiverses and the spider society if
you've seen the trailers this is where you get
all i also i do want to say i think they showed
a little too much in the trailers and i know
this is a classic classic complaint but i think
i've learned my lesson now and i'm going to try
i'm really going to try my hardest to not watch
any trailers for beyond the spider verse right
because i know that it's because i'm a sure thing
at this point like it's yeah yeah i don't need
to be sold on watching that movie i'm going to
try my best some credit there's a lot of things
that we're not that were kept secret and we're
not going to talk about them but those trailers
really do give away some key I don't know man
like just the fact that they the main emotional
line that Miles delivers in it like it is arc
I said that they give them away yeah but it's
all it's all a smorgasbord for the eyes and the
senses and if You know, I'd see it a third time
if I had the time in my schedule this week. Yeah,
it's really great. I can't wait to see the third
one, which allegedly is coming out next year.
I don't know. I don't think that's going to happen.
No way. But no, it's I'm really curious to see
how they how they close this out. So the funny
thing is, I think it's done recording. So that's
conflicting to what Andre said. So I wonder if
they've animated it, but they haven't recorded
the lines. And I just read a headline that Haley
Steinfeld, who voices Gwen, she mentioned that
she has not recorded any lines for the third
one yet. Okay. All right. I thought they were
recording it like at the same time where it's
kind of like you do the whole thing. That's what
I thought too. But okay. That makes sense then.
If Haley's saying that, I mean, I trust her enough
that it's probably what happens. Yeah. I don't
know. But again, I just, I don't have a source
to give that to you. So yeah. Right. Yeah, Andre
did a myth. Is there more about Across the Spider
-Verse you want to talk about? I'm trying to
rack my brain here. I will say that it's, again,
it's tough overall to be sure. I really like
this movie. I think it's a great way to take
the trilogy, as it were. I still think Into the
Spider -Verse is my favorite comic book movie,
period. You can just watch that movie and it's...
It's only my first Spider -Man movie still, and
it's probably my favorite comic book movie still.
And so I put that one just a slightly bit higher,
but I think this is a great direction to take
a sequel. Like, it ups the stakes. It ups the...
scope of the whole entire concept in such a great
way that's a lot of fun so it's keeping the multiverse
concept fresh which is impressive which is impressive
yeah yeah it's saturated now we have so many
different multiverses that we're juggling through
right now they're all executed to varying level
success but yeah it i also just kind of feel
like it's it's like in godzilla versus kong or
when it's just like oh yeah no they're they're
the apex predator they're king of skull island
for a reason you know right hold their beer like
get out of their way like let me show you how
it's done son right um you made me think of it
because i had made a letterboxd list of the movies
based on comic books like i have all of them
and i was like oh yeah i need to add this one
to the list and i just realized no i made this
a live action one on purpose because because
spider verse one and then spider verse two would
be my top two spots i feel like i mean it's now
whenever whenever i read like listings that talk
about like spider -man content it's similar to
like final fantasy rankings it's like you know
what number one's going to be right let's just
get the elephant out of the out of the way now
it's it's almost it's final fantasy seven it's
almost more shocking that the end of your list
or like the the middle of your list probably
you know like if you were to go through spider
-man properties um i think all of us would probably
agree that uh the amazing spider -man 2 is probably
at the bottom of the list I need to see them.
Just so you know where we've come from at this
point. But like that and like Spider -Man 3 maybe.
But like the in -betweens are so weird now because
I liked Far From Home better than I liked Homecoming.
A lot of people don't like that. And then No
Way Home obviously I like better than all of
them. But then what about the Spider -Man, Spider
-Man 2 controversy? Which one is better of those?
It's weird now. To me, it's tough to beat Spider
-Man 2. That might be my favorite. Which is fair.
That's such a good sequel. It is. It's tough,
right? But yeah, it does make me kind of want
to rewatch all the Spider -Man movies now. Not
the Raimis again. Not the Raimis. We just recently
went through the Raimis. No, the Raimis again.
Do it. Throw in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
of Madness just because. Dude, this was such
a better multiverse execution than Multiverse
of Madness, right? Yeah, because... And no one
was running around. We need to save America.
They spent three... minutes basically going through
the actual multiverse right right right and it's
like imagine if you got to actually kind of hang
out in those multiverses for like a little bit
at least right just to see well we get the big
one that they spoiled in the trailers yeah right
oh yeah i mean it's a great rainy horror film
for about 15 minutes like that's the thing what
multiverse is dr strange in the multiverse of
madness is like three or four different movies
and you know what what's great is that you can
fast forward to the part the movie you like yeah
and then when it's over you just move on to something
else so if you want more horror ramey go watch
the evil dead if you want more um see all right
you guys go do spider -man i'm gonna do evil
dead you want more benedict cumberbatch's doctor
strange just go watch the first doctor strange
i'm gonna watch army of darkness even like let's
just wow all right I love Army of Darkness. What's
the new Evil Dead Rise? Evil Dead Rise, yeah.
I heard that one was pretty good. I've heard
great things. I'll be honest, I'm kind of a wuss
with scary movies in the theater. It's all around
you. You can't escape it. Exactly, yeah. And
that's the thing. It's like, oh, this is getting
a little scary. Okay, I can kind of look at my
phone, but still look up. That kind of thing
where you can kind of trick your mind a little
bit. so scary movies in the theater besides the
screen movies usually are pretty pretty much
a no -go for me but like i do like scary movies
at home i'm one of those weirdos i don't think
there's anything in the closet or under the bed
or anything like that before we close the door
on the across the spider -verse um i do want
to just make a comment about it's like oscar
isaac having like a great year two years oh fantastic
amazing as nigel he was all over moon night last
year right uh he was in dune uh maybe in a flat
i don't don't quote me on this he may be in a
flashback in dune tune for all we know right
spoilers on dune i'm moving that's not even out
yet um yeah i meant dune one but that's fine
i'm still not gonna watch it i don't care he
also was gomez in the animated adams family movies
yeah there you go was he yeah i have not seen
them Yep, he was Gomez in the animated ones.
He's a good voice actor. Poe Dameron, even though
the movie sucked, he's still one of my favorite
characters. Delivers the worst line in all of
Star Wars canon. But here's the thing. Because
it's him, it's believable. It's a terrible line.
That's a credit to him being a great actor. I
guess so. You know what? I want a buddy -buddy
movie where it's Oscar Isaacs and... Oh, my God.
Pedro Pascal. Yeah, Pedro Pascal. Yeah, I knew
it. Exactly. I mean, Hollywood's dad's like right
there. All right. And because I also love the
massive weight or the unbearable weight. I want
Nick Cage in that movie, too. Sure. Just the
three of them getting high and making a movie.
You need something to balance it out. Well, the
balance like they need they need something to
like. challenge them and that would be nicholas
cage yeah or stay with me here pedro pascal oscar
isaac good guys nicholas cage bad guy oh okay
like over the top zany bad guy i want him chewing
scenery like like face off like face off yes
okay off something or other caster um caster
oil always remember it caster oil ah shit doesn't
matter it does matter it does matter um yeah
do you know what oscar isaac's character name
was in the first spider -verse since he was in
the after credit scene was it spider -man 20
2099 That was not his name. Castor Troy, by the
way. His character was interesting man number
one. Really? Are you kidding me? They didn't
want to reveal that it was Miguel O 'Hara or
Spider -Man 99. They say what year and where
it is. Yeah, right. And he looks like... Come
on, man. There's nobody else he is. I guess maybe
they're hiding it in the IMDb. Well... oh man
you know what it could be it could be a tease
that like that's actually not miguel o 'hara
and it's like another version of it well no and
across the spider -verse camera is miguel o 'hara
i understand that part but i'm talking about
like the the into the spider -verse Because in
the Spider -Verse, he has a totally different
build. I like the way Miguel O 'Hara looks across
the Spider -Verse. Does he have totally different
builds? He looks like Peter B. Parker, you know
what I mean? Same build as him. This is why we
need to rewatch. I said we should rewatch this.
Yeah, we should rewatch it, but you'll see. And
they opted in across the Spider -Verse to make
him larger, more built. I mean, also to give
him a distinct body type to look at because there's
going to be so much happening on the screen.
Of course, it's a good idea, right? But I just
chalked it up to like, oh, wow. Thanos looks
kind of busted at the end of Avengers 1, but
they totally changed his look. I have some off
-recording theories now. We should put a rating
on this puppy. Yes, we should. Rate that puppy.
It's a good boy. That's the rating. Good boy.
13 out of 10. Look at the dog again. 4 .5 canon
events out of 5. yeah canon events damn it yeah
i would give it a 4 .4 pretty close to honor
you might as well just go 4 .5 4 .5 out of 5
i'm not proud cakes i am 4 .5 out of 5 spots
okay yeah yeah there you go yeah gap spots well
maybe we'll update this ranking once we have
the last chapter story yeah yeah I think we can
talk this whole thing. So I'm kind of interested
when that last one comes out. I think we could
do a full episode on the whole trilogy. Oh, yeah.
Absolutely. If it falls apart or if it sticks
to the landing. Don't suppress me. I want to
believe it's not going to fall apart. No, I'm
going for stick to the landing. Okay. I bet it
sticks to the landing, too. Or it just doesn't
come out at all. I think it's more likely that
they just don't make it than it being bad. Does
that make sense? As in they would pull the ripcord
before. I guess actually it would be more likely.
Something horrific, something very bad happens
that Jess is like, we cannot make this film anymore.
I'll be phrased another way. I'll be phrased,
wow. I'll phrase it another way. Lord and Miller
are not going to have their names attached to
a bad movie, a bad film. So if they depart the
project, that's when I'll be like, oh no. That's
when it's going to happen. I think Lord actually
helped co -produce Cocaine Bear, by the way.
Oh, really? Yeah, I'm breaking back the Wikipedia
page for it. because I'm pretty sure I saw that.
Can we talk about one thing that did distract
me about it, though, real fast? Yeah, sure. The
Sony characters. Yeah. The Sony characters. The
Sony characters. Like, they had Venom, they had
Morbius. I was just about to ask, how did you
feel about the Venom versus Cameo? They didn't
have Morbius. They did, for like half a second.
They had Morbius. When? Where? Right? Am I wrong
about that? I don't remember seeing. Could have
been, yeah. I thought he was in for like half
a second. It was like... I can't remember now.
They showed a clip of Andrew Garfield. I think
it's one of those when the other spider people
are fighting and showing like, hey, I'm the one
and only Spider -Man of this. They're fighting
Morbius. They fought Morbius. Okay. But not Leto
Morbius. No, it was Leto Morbius. It was animated
Leto Morbius. I'll have to catch that again.
It wasn't a line. It wasn't anything. There was
no... You can't find a voice actor for it because
I don't think there was a voice actor for it.
But I think there was a part where it was literally...
It was Morbius's outline, everything like that,
that they were fighting a spider person of some
variety. Yeah. Yeah. Insomniac Spider -Man. I
love that one. Hell yeah. Insomniac Spider -Man
was great. Yeah. But yeah. All right. Sorry if
I distracted everybody off of that. No, you're
fine. There was definitely a Venom. I know that.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Venom was... They were
not shy about that. No. No, they do not hide
that. Sony characters. Speaking of, I mean, I'm
very pumped for the... it's omni x spider -man
2 it's gonna be sick okay oh i thought you were
gonna say craven the hunter and i was going to
cares whatever i'm gonna reach this computer
screen now i'm going to hate you no yeah who
cares about that i'm talking about i just want
aaron taylor johnson to get good roles and i
know i know i know bullet train he was great
in bullet train he did such a good job such a
good job lion blood lion blood didn't it doesn't
deserve this but whatever hope he gets paid I
can't see it going any other way besides Morbius.
You know what I mean? If it comes out and it's
a decent movie, that's great. It's Morbin time.
Yeah, it's Morbin time. I'm kind of excited that
it's the first rated R one of these, though.
Oh, I didn't know it was rated R. If you watch
the Red Band trailer, there's a part where literally
he puts a bear trap on a guy's head. What is
this? This is Kraven the Hunter. Yes. Gonna be
violent out here. Yes. But it definitely is one
of those Michael Caine situations. I have not
seen the film for it is awful. I have seen the
house for which it's paid and it is glorious.
That's what I hope is an Aaron Taylor Johnson
Craven the Hunter movie. All right. So, yeah.
I think that'll do it. Yeah. We're going to wrap
it up. That's a podcast. That's a podcast. We
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