Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast. My name is Ben Groves.
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But yeah, besides that, man, there's nothing wrong just just getting on with getting on. How about
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No, I'm OK, man. I've got lots, lots and lots on even more to do. I'm extremely tired.
I have even less time to sleep. But we move. We move. Nice. What are we doing today, Ben?
Well, today, buddy, we're doing the 80s juggernaut dirty dancing starring Patrick Swayze
and Jennifer Grey. And this week, buddy, we are answering all the hard questions about it.
Is this still relevant in 2025? If your eyes are so hungry, what will you feed them? Eyelids don't
have teeth. Soup. Oh, yeah, that's that one solved. Cross that one off. And most importantly,
this episode is a very special one because it's the start of my crazy Swayze theory trilogy
where I set out to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that one of my favourite fan theories
of all time is 100 percent a truth fact. Is the theory true, though? The answer is yes.
Let me cook. Let me cook. We chef. Let me cook. All right. So I have written the breakdown for you
this week. Oh, thanks, babe. I was wondering about the breakdown and I was like, God, I just don't
I don't have the time to write if only my best friend and pal could write it for me. I've got
it in a tone that would make sense for, you know, as if it had come from me. That'd be great. Yeah,
it'd be great. I'm here for you, baby. So spoiler warning for those of you who are the first time
listeners, we're going to just tell you everything that happens in this film. So if you've wasted my
entire life not watching this film, but intending to maybe pause and come back. But for those of
you who have seen it before and want a quick refresher, Dirty Dancing. In the summer of 1963,
Baby Houseman arrives at the Kellermans, a Catskills resort with her family. Think American summer camp,
but instead of a beast children being forced to climb trees, it's golf, horseshoes and a future
disgruntled Jurassic Park employee yelling into a megaphone about trying on wigs for fun. Yeah,
uh, yeah. Curious and idealistic, Baby stumbles upon the resort staff secret after hours dance party
and helps a mysteriously full of exposition. I mean, for the first act of the film and is then
seemingly non-existent after his worth being spent. Ben, this is, this is madness. What I'm,
this is, this is the longest sentence I've ever heard. Right. Oh yeah. Grammar's not my strong
point. Baby stumbles on a fella carrying a watermelon up to the house. This is where Baby
meets Johnny Castle, the charismatic, but sadly working class dance instructor. Yeah. When Johnny's
dance part of Penny is unable to perform due to an unexpected pregnancy, Baby steps up to help.
Yeah. Johnny initially doubts her ability, but as he trains her, Baby transforms from an awkward
beginner into a cut, no, into a confident dancer developing a deep attraction to Johnny along the
way. So she should, that man is beautiful. Sean Connery, so she should, so she should.
As their bond strengthens, Baby and Johnny fall in love despite their different backgrounds. I mean,
there's so much between them. They're both white American dance interested people,
but he is poor. So you're right. Very different. Their relationship is passionate, but faces
resistance from Baby's disapproving father who assumes Johnny is irresponsible and dangerous.
The situation worsens when Johnny is falsely accused of theft, leading to his firing from the resort.
Heartbroken, Baby stands by him, confessing her love, but Johnny feeling powerless against the
class divide. He leaves, he's out of there. He's gone. He's Swayze. The working class has just pushed
him right out. He's just gone full Swayze. Yeah. That's a hip hop reference, Ben. You won't get it.
No, I won't. Determined to not let societal barriers define them, Johnny makes an almost
immediate dramatic return during the resort's final talent show, declaring that nobody puts Baby
in a corner. Yeah, he does. In front of the entire crowd, they perform their now iconic routine,
culminating in Baby's triumphant leap into Johnny's arms. The moment symbolises their love,
Baby's personal growth and Johnny's ability to rise above prejudice. What a hero. As the dance
floor fills with people inspired by their defiance, Baby and Johnny share a final victorious dance,
celebrating freedom, passion and self-discovery. The fact he's 25 and she's 16 never crosses
anyone's mind. Not even her doe-eyed sad dad or mute mother. Hashtag parenting, hashtag 1963,
hashtag free love for all, hashtag she'll be 18 one day. Free love for all. The 60s truly were
a different time in 1987. It really was. Johnny Castle just walking into Anne Summers asking
where the kids section is. That's outrageous. Ben, why did you want to do this film? I've got
a lot to get, we've got a lot to get into. We've got so much to get into on this, right? I need
to know why you brought this madness. So A, I'm a little bit obsessed with Patrick Swayze. I think
he might be one of my favourite actors of all time. It's 90% of the reason that I've got a mullet.
It's 60% of the reason that I go to the gym. Essentially, I found a little theory online
about Dirty Dancing, Roadhouse and Point Break. I love all three of those films, grew up with them,
haven't watched them in years and thought, you know who would really get something out of Dirty
Dancing? Right, right. Rob McFarlane. Okay. Robert J. McFarlane. So my question to you is bud,
why haven't you seen this before? Right, it's a very specific reason. If Elon Musk, he was
gonna give me free money, I'd go, what's the catch? I don't trust this person. He's everything I stand
against. The Dogecoin. Yeah, right. Exactly. If he came out something like that, I'd be like,
absolutely not. If the town racist said someone was a good guy, I'd be like, they're not though,
are they? They're just also racist. In this analogy, am I Elon Musk and the town racist?
No, no, no, no, no, no. Because I'm telling you to watch this film. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Okay, good. It's better than that. So when I grew up, I grew up in a house with my grandmother,
my mum and my two aunts, three bedroom house. I slept in the back of the living room and I'd
come home from school and I was desperate to watch The Simpsons. But guess what? I'd walk in
and my two aunts would be there with the battered VHS copy of Dirty Dancing. Yes, buddy. Everything
else they watched was pure shit. It was pure shit. And so they were like, Dirty Dancing is our
favourite film. And I'm like, so that means it's the shittest film. And also it's always on when
I want to watch The Simpsons. Oh dude, I know exactly where you're coming from. You're not Elon
Musk. You're not the town racist. My aunt's. Yeah, your family is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's
a great, that's a great little subject. So I was, I just, as I grew up, I've got limited time.
Yeah. I watched the films I watched and someone goes, do you want to watch Dirty Dancing? I'm
like, I'd rather slide uncooked spaghetti down my tear ducts. I resent it. That's a great way to
pass the time. I mean, I was also, I was raised by two women. Obviously my sisters, my two sisters
and my mum sort of essentially raised me. Yeah. They loved this film, which meant that I loved
this film because you don't have a spine. Very much enjoyed it. Yeah. No, no, no. It's just super
fun. You being serious. I'd like, peer away in around the living room as a child was essentially
how I got about my day to day life. It was incredible. With your little German dictionary.
My little German dictionary. Yeah, exactly. My brother was showing me horror films. My sisters
were showing me Dirty Dancing and weird Patrick Swayze movies. Brilliant. It was the perfect
combination for this horrible mess of a personality that I have now. It's balancing a seesaw by putting
things at the exact opposite end. Yes. That's exactly what it is. You could put things on the
pivot. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Either end. Swing it as far as possible. Pendulum this bitch. Let's
see how he turned out. No spoiler. Unbalanced. Not great. Rob, give me your initial thoughts
watching Dirty Dancing for the first time in 2025. I have been a painted fool, an idiot.
DJ Khaled would lean in and congratulate me and tell me that I've played myself. Because this is
the most pleasant place you can spend two hours. Right? Not a single person that you spend time
with in this film has any bad thoughts. Do you see what I'm saying? Even the bad guys.
Well, the thing is the bad guy, who's the guy who gets Penny, the professional female dancer pregnant,
you don't see him. He's in the film for about 15 seconds. Literally. And the 15 seconds he's in the
film, he's pretty tolerable. And then he gets the shit kicked out of him and disappears. Yeah, exactly.
It's amazing. There's a moment where she asks her dad for $250. And he just goes,
that's a lot of money. She's like, I need you to trust me. I can't tell you what it's for. And
he's like, you know what? Sure. Yeah, I trust you. And then she purchases an abortion for Penny.
And it goes wrong because abortion was illegal when this was set. And she wakes up her dad in
the middle of the night. She goes, dad, come quick. And he just gets up. He just gets his bag. He just
goes with it. There's none of that normal, why, what are we doing? He's just like, no, it's my
daughter. She needs me. I'm off. Everybody is mint in this film. Everything is lovely. And it's just
a warm, beautiful place. It's camp as all hell. It's fun as all hell. And it's rocketed into the top
of my eighties movies. Oh God, I love this so much because it's legitimately a brilliant film.
I love that you had this reaction because the night before you watched this, I met you at the
Boredom Gaming Cafe in Telford. You did. And we hung out with, you know, John, Jenny, Lins.
But we were sitting there and I was like, Rob, I'm begging you, please watch it tonight. Cause it is
legitimately incredible. I was fresh off watching it and I was like, go and watch it, please.
It's incredible. And the hate speech that spewed out of your mouth in my direction, Ben, you tell
me to watch shit films. You do. If you like this film, it must be dog shit. That's a fact. It's
going to be awful. I'm not looking forward to doing this. I'm not in a desperate rush to do this
at all. Hang a Billy Little Theory. You're talking about when we hung out on Sunday. And on Sunday,
I needed to edit the episode, make the reels for social and do the artwork before a job interview
the next day. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Nothing on. And you were like, Rob, watch Dirty Dancing.
Yeah, nothing on. So hate speech, go on. Yes. You were hate speech all over the place. And then,
you started messaging me on the Monday and we hadn't spoken in a couple hours. And then just
out of the blue, you just started messaging me. I was busy. And I was like, so you're watching
Dirty Dancing. You're like, yeah, it's just gone on. And I was like, just text me your thoughts.
I will not respond. Okay. Right. And this is what you text me, bud. Cause in the boardroom,
you were like Patrick Swayze. He's not fit. His face is too sharp. He looks weird. You could climb
his face without ropes. That is just a fact. I want to. I would indeed. That guy's a gorgeous,
gorgeous human person. Uh, the first message you sent me was it's brilliant. Ben Patrick Swayze is
so fit. He is. Yeah. Just got to the first Motown dance sequence where everyone just communally dry
humps. They've got a special room for dry humping. All right. Should we go to the dry humping room?
Listen to Motown and then just grind groins together. Yeah. Also Nedry, isn't it? You know,
before he hacked Jurassic Park, he was just at a holiday resort with a megaphone. I've got a theory
on that. I've got a theory on that. We'll get to it. Awesome. I want to hear it. Let me copy paste
what I've got so far in my notes. She's called baby. It's not set in the eighties. What the
is Marengue? Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I heard they say, Oh, we're doing a Marengue. And I was like, isn't
that the barkeeper from deep space nine? Like, no, no, no. I remember the big head fella. Yeah. I
remember. Uh, and then you just started live tweeting me the entire film, which was great.
I'm just going to dig into a couple of my favorites right here. This is so clearly
hinting at kink. Lots of good girl and strength play. Yeah. It is. Keep calling everyone good
girl. And they're like picking her up. And she's like, yeah, I am a good girl. And I'm like,
she did the dance. She fucked it up, but he was so supportive. That one is in all caps. Yeah. I've
been nonstop smiling for like 25 minutes at this point. This has flawed writing. This is the one
that got me. And this is what made me really happy. This has flawed writing. And now we're in forced
conflict because something hasn't been properly explained to her father. It's a cheap trick for
conflict. That's as cliche as all time, but the film has so much charm that it doesn't matter.
I don't care. And I fully support this writing choice that right there. Yeah. Dirty dancing
summed up to a hundred percent. And that was it. Because so many times in the film, something will
happen and a character will go, darling, let me explain. And then the darling won't let them
explain. They'll walk out and then you've got to sit through an hour of film that you wouldn't have
to watch. If someone had just stood there for four seconds longer and gone, Oh, okay. That's your
sister, not your girlfriend. Wicked. Exactly. Like, and then you saved yourself so much time.
Right. And I hate that in films because I'm like, we're beyond that now. And that's not how people
work. We are. But people will say, explain yourself. They don't go, I'm fine without context.
I'll just go on with my life carrying this incredible pain. They're like, could you maybe
be, avoid the pain for me by just giving me more information. So I always hate it. But in this
instance, it leads to more film. Yes. And I'm having such a good time that I'm like, yeah, great.
Dude. I don't care. I don't care. Just give me more film. I don't care that this is just and then,
and then, and then, and then, and then, because everything is so charming and lovely and fun.
Right. Do you know what I mean? Right. Okay. And I got to say, it wasn't hate speech. It was,
it was, it was just my usual chat about film. All right. No, I had a lot on how to edit the episode.
It was not a job. It was your clerks three. You put your pickle on everyone's plate
and you always leave the hard stuff to me. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So, so enough of that. You
wouldn't have a good idea if it hit you in the puttanga mate. All right. Quoting Swayze is
literally just tickled my nips. You have no idea. That was good. That made me, that made me good.
But you're right. There were a couple of things that shocked me whilst watching it. Yeah. I always
in order. Okay. You read one. She's called baby. That's her name. Yes. Now, all I knew about this
film before watching it was that it was set in the eighties. Okay. It's not, but that's fine.
At a certain point, Patrick Swayze broke up a fight. Okay. Where a woman was in physical distress.
Right. And he pulled a guy off her and went, no one puts baby in a corner. I think you've mixed up
roadhouse and dirty. I'm one line from dirty dances. Possibly. I've not seen that either. So,
okay. Well, you've pretty much just described what half of the film is based around. Okay. So
can you imagine my surprise when at a certain point, completely unprompted with no drama
whatsoever, Patrick Swayze walks into a perfectly functional room, points at a woman and just goes,
no one puts baby in a corner with no drama around it at all. It's a totally unnecessary line.
It is also, I genuinely love it. I get it in the film, but when you're expecting like Patrick
Swayze to be pulling some eighties biker off her going, nobody puts baby in the corner. You're
thinking of roadhouse. He's just walking in to a rec room and just being like, she shouldn't be sat
there. Yeah. You're going to be so happy with roadhouse. It's going to be unreal. I can't wait
for this trilogy. It's going to be so good. Okay. Speaking of the trilogy. Okay. The reason I wanted
to do this to start off with, I've got fan theory, right? It's a, well, I've got a crazy Swayze
theory. It's originally a fan theory. You told me about this. I want you to tell the listeners.
All right. This is nonsense. So here we go. First off, huge shout out to confused breakfast podcast.
I found this theory through them, right? Right. They presented it through, I think it was like
on a Tik Tok thing in one of their episodes. And although it's pretty thin, it is a very fun
thought experiment. So my autistic ass decided to go and watch all three films involved with this
theory and prove without a shadow of a doubt that this theory is 100% a truth fact. See, what I love
is you sold me this theory and I was like, well, this is nonsense, but now I'm really happy to
find out that we're doing three whole episodes about some, another podcast's marketing materials.
No, no, no, no, no. It was a thin, it was a very thin line that they link this with. What I've done
is I've beefed it out. All right. I've beefed it out. A lot of it's nonsense, but I've beefed it
out. All right. This is strapping for some fun. You ready? They've discovered uranium and you're
like, yeah, but I can build reactors out of this. Yeah. But Chernobyl, right. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Let's watch it burn. So the theory is this Patrick Swayze's characters in dirty dancing,
roadhouse and point break are all the same person. Now there is circumstantial evidence slash little
nods to this theory in point break where they hint at both dirty dancing and roadhouse. So whether
this is intentional universe building or just fun little Swayze Easter eggs, right. It's irrelevant,
mate. This theory has sparked something in me and I'm here to drag us all down with me. Okay. So
strapping, right. I went away. I watched all three films with this theory in mind and I've come up
for air drenched in Swayze. I'm sopping wet for the Swayze. It's going to be hard not to shoot ahead
and spoil this. So I'll give you what confused breakfast gave me and I'll fill in the blanks as
we go throughout the next three episodes. Okay. Okay. So this is what they gave me, right. Johnny
Castle, a charming trustworthy guy with a rough side who knows how to fight gets disillusioned
with the wealthy and the upper classes at Kellermans. Instead of chasing a college degree
like everyone else, he travels the country wanting to help people, practicing spirituality
and evolving his fighting skills. This is where we get into roadhouse. Okay. Yeah. It becomes one of
the best bounces in the U S but realizes his life has gone down a rough path. It doesn't want to
continue down. Didn't like who he became. So he moved to California. Now we're in point break.
Terrick. California developed a new philosophy in life after the rich people of Kellermans from
dirty dancing and even Wesley in the roadhouse. He knew two things. One, that he never wanted to
work for the man ever again. And two, steal from the rich. Okay. So we started rubbing banks. Okay.
The main detail that Bodie from point break is Johnny Castle from dirty dancing is when Bodie
tells Johnny that a car reminds him of a 1957 Chevy that he used to have and what car does Johnny
Castle drive in dirty dancing rub? He drives a Chevy. Yeah. He drives a 1957 Chevy. Yeah. Yes, sir.
So that's the whole theory. Okay. Just that little link. It's like a fun little thought experiment.
It's a fun little thing. I'm all here for the fun. I'm here for the fun. Yeah. I got some points and
I do think that this is, this is nonsense. Okay. I think, I think you've hit upon something. Yeah.
The idea of connected universes outside of full sequels is not a thing that existed. And I think
it's what you said. I agree. It's just Swayze eggs. It's just, I agree. The man lays eggs. Yeah. He's
an avian and just, it's just like a little nod. Yeah. But do you know what? I'm here for it. If
you can stitch this together, all right, you are going to have all the brown points. Yeah.
So many brown points. I'm here for the brown points. So listen, I started this and I was like,
that's a fun little thought experiment. And then I went away and watched dirty dancing and started
really digging into it. And I've got some points for you, bud. I've got some evidence that I'm
going to bring to the table now. Okay. Strap in for the nonsense because it's, it's coming thick
and fast. All right. Okay. Okay. All right. So I've got some thoughts here. This is going to set up
Johnny Castle getting ready to transition into a woman into James Dalton in roadhouse. Oh, okay.
Okay. So, you know, the, you know, the dance scene after baby's dad helps Lisa. Yes, I do. Yeah.
There is a, there's like a, a montage thing, right? Yes, there is. And, uh, Johnny Castle
is like, the reason people treat me like I'm nothing is because I'm nothing. Yeah. That's not
true. You're everything. Right. And then Johnny Castle is like, I've never met a person like you.
You look at the world and you think you can make it better. Somebody's lost. You find them. Yeah.
Somebody's bleeding. You help them. You know what I mean? So this is all like little legs where he's
met this one person, Swayze eggs. Yep. Swayze eggs. This is the first Swayze egg. Johnny tells
baby how much she inspires him, how much good she can do. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fearless.
She helps anyone that needs it. He could never do this. He's nothing. Right. But, and this is where,
this is why I love this film. Baby bites back with, I am scared and I'm scared that if I leave this
room, I'll never feel the way I do when I'm with you ever again. Now after, after raising each other
up for a little bit, hyping each other up, inspiring him to do better, Johnny does immediately.
F*** the minor, but hear me out. Hear me out. She danced real good. So what was he meant to do?
Do you know what I mean? Okay. Okay. Okay. May I? May I? Cut in buddy. Right. Okay. You may cut in.
Yeah. Take this dance. I want to just kick against this age thing. Okay. Yeah. Because it is gross
in today's time. It's a gross thing. Like, yeah, of course in the eighties, it was less gross. And in
the time period they're depicting, it was totally normal. 1963, completely acceptable. Right. Right.
Now, what I will say for dirty dancing that is really, really rare, especially in contemporary
cinema, we don't get this that often anymore. Yeah. There's like an honest to goodness,
super wholesome depiction of desire. There is. Without ever getting pornographic. Yeah. You
a hundred percent get the intention. Yeah. You a hundred percent get the way they feel for one
another and that kind of visceral physical longing for one another. You do. Not a nipple.
There's not a tit insight. No. There doesn't need to be though. It's incredible. It's because.
There doesn't need to be. And it kind of made me realize how incredibly lazy a lot of modern
filmmaking is when it comes to depicting desire. They're like, well, the female actress will just
get fully nude and we'll show a floppy penis. Cause you never see an erect one in cinema.
That's not true. I very recently got caught off guard on Netflix. Oh yeah. Nine songs. No.
Infinity pool with Mia Goth and one of the scars guards. Scars guards would go full tent pole,
though. They're method. Dude, it was shocking. Right. Cause I have it. I have the blue ray.
Cause you see a full one. You're like, Oh my God, dude, I've got the blue ray copy of infinity pool.
And there's a scene where Mia Goth just walks up behind the scars guard was like, he's just
done taking a piss. She just wanks him off. And at the end of it, you don't see Dick at all.
I love how casual you are about this. You just see a bit of, you know, she's just having a piss
and then she just wanks him off Tuesday. And you think I'm being casual. You should watch the film.
Mia Goth is like non-existent. The expression's gone, but like, and then you just see a bit of
cum land on some stones. Right. Wow. Wow. I showed this to someone the other day and I was like, oh,
let's watch infinity pool. I'm watching it on Netflix. It shows full erect Dick getting
wanked off and then an ejaculation scene. And I was like, I don't think I've ever seen that in cinema.
Just one moment. If you are listening on speakers, sorry, headphones, yeah, sorry.
Retroactively spoiler, I guess for infinity pool. Spiller, spiller, spiller. That's the one.
But no. So, so to bring it back to dirty dancing for a second, you don't need that in dirty
dancing. You don't need that. And, and I do feel like modern, midden cinema, modern cinema has just
gone, we'll go extreme. Yeah. And like, I've got no problem seeing that. I just feel like, is it
artistic? Sometimes it is. It sounds like infinity pool. It is cause it's evoking a reaction. It is.
But the number of times now I see a fully nude sex scene and I'm like, this is adding nothing,
except a slightly awkward vibe to the room. Yeah. At some point it was sort of shock cinema to hold
attention. Right. But it's not that anymore. Whereas it's not that anymore. Cause it's the
equivalent of Marilyn Manson in 2020. You're just like, oh, please stop. You look like my nan.
Please stop putting on the eyeliner. Why is my nan in a dress wearing on stage? But that's
essentially it. This is where we're at. And dirty dancing does that really well. You do get the
intention. You do get the sort of intimacy that I feel a lot of films lack these days.
Next point of evidence for my crazy Swayze theory. I should have named it something easier to say.
You're going to need to learn how to say this. Yeah, I've tried. I've written it a lot. If we're
doing three episodes of this, babe, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's going to get tiresome. Right.
Right. The scene where baby asks Johnny, have you had a lot of women? And then he turns
two to three different rich women every day into some sort of sob story. Yeah. Yeah. Does it in an
endearing way where he's like, it does, this does happen and it's happened a lot, but I've come from
call and these people are putting diamonds in my pocket and giving me money. I'm going to do it.
Obviously. Does it make me feel good? You know what I mean? And he goes into this thing about
being used by rich women who are just looking to slum it because he's a working class sort of
rugged, good looking guy and how it's having a negative effect on our Johnny boy. You know what
I mean? But she's the first woman to really care about him. And I think that's the point. Like she
genuinely shows an affection to him. Like we've just spoken about. Yeah. Yeah. Francis, which is
baby's real name, by the way, shows Castle that there are people out there that are worthy of love.
He's just got to look hard enough. And if someone as elevated as her, like as someone as upper
class as her can love this little street rat, who knows? Maybe one day she'll have a podcast with
him. Maybe our Johnny could do the same. You know what I mean? Maybe there's a bit of a life lesson
in there somewhere. Are you saying that she's teaching him because I've not seen Roadhouse.
So I'm guessing. Yeah. I need you to bear these in mind when you're watching it, but if I've got a
summation at the end, don't you worry. I'm going to give you some leaving points to go away with
and watch Roadhouse with. Give me some homework, babe. Give me some homework. I've got some homework
for you. My next point, my next piece of evidence, exhibit C, if you will. Right. After the career
ending news that the Pachanga is now the final dance, instead of Johnny Castle's original dance,
I did. Devastating. It was heartbreaking scene. Right. It's cinema. I was on the edge of my seat.
Tears were on the precipice. Pure Kino. Pure Kino. So they're storming away and the baby's like,
why don't you just fight it? Why don't you just fight for what you want? Johnny Castle will turn
around. I can't fight. I need this job for next summer. Right. If I fight back, I'll lose this
gig. And then before you know it, I'm painting houses. Right. Right. I can't lose my dance job.
Otherwise I'm a house painter. Right. Which brings up, which brings up the very relevant point that
the principles are a luxury. Yeah. Like we'd all love to be able to stick by our principles. Yeah.
The number of principles I'd love to stick by. Thousand percent. But I need to eat. Yeah.
Hundred percent. And I can't eat without this job. Yeah. Thousand percent. Right. Thousand percent.
I would love to do this. But baby encourages Johnny to be the best that he can and follow his dreams.
To fight harder. Pay attention to this one, Rob. You ready? Right. To fight harder. That's for
Roadhouse. Okay. They need it. Is he going to fight? Is there fighting in Roadhouse? If you're
saying that she says he needs to fight harder and then in Roadhouse he has a fist fight and you're
like, theory confirmed, theory confirmed, illuminati, illuminati. I'm going to be furious with you.
I'm going to be furious, Ben. It's a very tangible link, but he does fight. He's the best fighter.
He's the hardest fighter. But Johnny Castle, he fights back. Johnny Castle, you are Sean Connery
today, aren't you? Dude, I'm really tired. Let's not focus on it because it's going to happen a
lot. I'm not even going to try and cover it at this point. I'm going to pick it up every time.
Yeah, sick. All right. Let's see how this theory pans out. Johnny Castle, he bites back. A baby,
he's like, yeah, I need to fight harder. I need to stand for what I believe in, for what I love.
Seems like you need to fight harder to show your father that Johnny is her guy. And he's right.
He is right. That's a super, super valid point where she's like, she's giving him life advice.
You told your dad about me yet? Exactly. And what does he do? Does he stick around and argue with
it? No. What does baby do? Take something on board and is like, you know what? Actions are
louder than words. Yeah. I hear what you're saying. They're building each other up. They're growing.
So now, communicate. Johnny Castle, let's see where he goes next. Hey, let's see where he goes next.
Okay. Baby does what she preaches. She sings what she preaches. She acts out what she said.
She literally, she tells her parents and the hotel manager when Johnny Castle's accused of theft,
no, it couldn't have been him because I was with him last night. He was up to his nuts and guts.
And there was absolutely no way he could be out. Up to his nuts. Absolutely no way he could be out
robbing purses. See what I mean? She was so eloquent about it as well to her doctor father
whilst eating a bread roll. Right. You should have seen it. It was sticky daddy. She was like,
dad, you know where cervix is, right? Hated that. Hated all of it. So baby essentially ruins a family
dynamic. She upsets her father. She's the next scene is her and Johnny Castle in a room. He's like,
you were right. They proved it wasn't me. That was the thief. It was the old couple were wanted in
four states and were on the lamb from the law. And I'm like, so charming, so fun, so beautiful,
so warm. Right. What a resolution. Anyone could have been the thief. They're like, it's the old
couple because that's funny and that's warm and that's charming. Exactly. And it's hilarious. The
fact that these two 80 year old people can barely manage to walk anywhere are on the run. Do you
know what I love about that subplot is that I got the impression because of the tone of this film,
because of the unending warmth of the tone of this film. Yeah. That old couple who were thieves.
Yeah. Even the thieves, I'm like, they're probably been married 50 years. Oh yeah. There's an endearing
story. And they got to 75. They got 75 and they're like, yeah, life's got a bit of stagnant.
And this is like their Bonnie and Clyde run. This is their Thelma and Louise. This is like a thing
that they've wanted to do for ages. And when they get caught, they're like sick. That went exactly
how you're going to do is no malice. You're going to send me to prison for the rest of my four years.
No, I'm out bitches. Right. Right. Exactly. And they're not doing that a malice. They're doing
it out of love for each other and a zest for life. I love it. A thousand percent. That was crafted
over a 4pm dinner. They saw a wallet hanging out of a bag and went bet you wouldn't. Right. Exactly.
She leaned over it, did it and they had sex for the first time in a decade. Guaranteed. And now
every time they, this film is all about. Every time they go somewhere, she's like odds on stealing
the statue. Yeah. Give you a handy if you rub that statue. A thousand percent. So anyway,
baby's done this thing. She's told her, she's told her parents, she's told this thing that the crime
has been solved, but Johnny's still been fired. He's been asked to leave quietly because you know,
now it's been fraternizing with guests. Exactly. He's been, he's been banging a guest daughter.
We all know it's the hotel owner's special guest. They're good mates. So he's been asked to leave.
Baby comes out with, so I did it for nothing. I hurt my family. I did it all for nothing.
Johnny Castle comes back. No one has ever done anything like this for me before. Beautiful.
And then Johnny, this beautiful human goes out of his way to go see baby's dad and try and make
things right. Incredible. For baby. Not for any other reason because she's, she's done what she
said she's going to do. He's going to try and make it right by her. This little street rat is trying
his hardest to be a better person and help the person that has helped him. That's all in capitals.
I need you to remember that for Roadhouse. He's helping the person that has helped him. I get
that. He doesn't correct her father and try to clear his name when he thinks it's Johnny who was
the guy who got Lisa knocked up and left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All about it. He just lets
him sit in that. He focuses on causing as little damage as possible for baby because he's picking
his fights. Okay. That's another one for Roadhouse. Here's the thing. When you go, this is one for
Roadhouse. Yeah. What you're picking is links. Yeah. I can smell the tenuousness. I can smell
the thin spider webs and actually I've already written the Roadhouse episode. So this is,
it makes perfect sense to me. It must be a nightmare for you and the listeners. It is.
And I'm not sorry. Just, just to rescue the listeners for a moment. You said that one of
your favorite actors of all time was Patrick Swayze. I love him. I love him. I have only ever
really known Patrick Swayze as that guy that what was in dirty dancing. He was in a ghost. Yeah.
Which is where the hip hop reference thing comes by the way. Cause a load of rappers would go,
I'm Swayze when they say I'm leaving. Cause he's ghost. Oh, I love that. What do you know about
Patrick Swayze's life? Let's do the early part. Let's do this little three parter. Cause as you
go through the fictional biography of the one man that is Johnny Castle, Mr. Roadhouse and Bodie
from Point Break. Yeah. I'm going to just give you little nuggets of different chunks of Swayze's
life. What do you know about Swayze? I know, I know bits of sort of trivia that I've picked up
over the years. So I know that he was incredibly self-conscious because he had a quite an overbearing
mother. And he worked a lot to try and get over that. This is why he was always dancing,
always trying to entertain, always in impeccable shape. Gorgeous human because his self-confidence
was in the bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even though he was like the eighties heartthrob.
A hundred percent. You're totally right on that. I'm going to add violent mother. So he was born
in 1952 in Houston. His mom, Patsy, who just mentioned who was, she had a very violent
upbringing and she didn't quite manage to keep it all in her generation. It spilled over as it
often does. She was a dancer, choreographer and dance instructor, but his dad was an engineering
draftsman. Okay. But he grew up as his mother's son doing dancing, figure skating, ballet, talent
shows, all this kind of stuff, which in 1960s America, you can imagine for a boy was controversial.
Great. So controversial in fact, that around the age of 12, five boys jumped him at once.
Wow. Right now you think that's interesting. Wait till you see how it got resolved. So his father,
Jesse, a one-time rodeo champion and golden gloves boxer, incredible taught him hand to hand combat
for a series of months. Yes. And then drove him to school and told the football coach to pull those
five boys out of class so they could settle this thing in the weight shack by the football field.
Except this time the football coach and his dad lined them up. Patrick Swayze beat the shit out
of them one by one. That is actually incredible. It's all in his autobiography. He absolutely tucked
them in like glass of warm milk, soft lullaby, good night. They all lay off. Can you imagine that
in today's schools? Just as a parent, just rocking up and being like, can my son, can you just grab
those five kids off the pitch real quick so my son can just beat the shit out of them? Yeah.
Just behind the shed. Me and you can ref what you're saying. I've got a fiver on my son. What
you're saying? So he stuck with his dancing. He went to ballet school in New York to proper finish
it until his knee exploded. Basically he had a football injury on his knee and then get this
with the weirdest. If you think that happened, bud, you have no idea. So he's got this bad,
Patrick Swayze, he's got this bad knee from a football injury. And then later, whilst he's at
ballet school, he gets an infected tooth, bad abscess in his tooth, which leads to a staph
infection that gets into his blood and settles in his knee until the point where it's one week
away from needing amputation. Imagine getting a bad tooth and then going to the dentist and then
being like, we're going to need to amputate your leg. Cause that happens to Patrick Swayze.
That's amazing. Okay. That's nutty. So his knee shot, he can't dance. He decides to act. He gets
roles, keeps getting roles. He did a film with John Travolta and then he did a film called Red Dawn,
which also starring Jennifer Grey, also starring Jennifer Grey, but he dicked around so much. Like
he blew up a toilet with a cast member in it. And then when they came out of the toilet and
started swearing at me, blew up the two bins outside the toilet. Nonsense, which, which rightly,
Jennifer Grey is like that guy's an asshole who doesn't take it seriously. Yeah. Yeah. So then
when they both get cast in dirty dancing, firstly, he's got to overcome the fact that they don't
want to cast him cause he's got a shot knee that might explode if he doesn't brush his teeth right.
Happens to the best of us. But then also Jennifer Grey hates him. That scene in dirty dancing,
where Johnny is teaching baby to dance and there's that little montage where he like tickles her arm
and she's laughing her head off and he's fuming. Yeah. It's B-roll. That Swayze's genuinely being
upset that he has to work with someone he didn't think was taking it seriously enough. He hates
it. Which is the criticism she'd said about him on their previous movie, red dawn. Oh, he doesn't
take things seriously. So then they get another film where it's about dancing and he's like,
Oh, my wheelhouse now. This is my roadhouse. Yeah. Exactly. You'll take this seriously.
This is my road. Right. And then, and then they famously didn't get on for, for a lot of this,
but Swayze says it helped the film. And I think it does. I think, I think it works that he is as a,
as a person, a very professional dancer and she's an actress learning how to dance. It's incredible.
And the way that it works, a lot of the, a lot of the dancing scenes are all B-roll. It's just,
people were filming them as they were dicking about warming up, having a giggle. There was so
much of it that was left in the film. It was crazy just cause it was like a genuine tender moment of
those guys enjoying themselves, getting warmed up to do an actual take. And the actual take was cut
because it was shit. They were like, it doesn't feel real. What does feel real is you guys dicking
about in the dry happening to be all like goofy. Yeah, exactly. And that's honestly, it makes all
the difference. And then my final piece of evidence is the black 1957 Chevy, which we've covered
already in the thinner version of the theory, but it is, it's, it's there. Right. Fine. Okay. I look
forward to joining some of these dots together. Oh man. This had better be rock solid. Otherwise
I'm gonna, you wait, I'm gonna, you just wait mate. Cause I very much feel like I'm just carrying
a watermelon at this point. I'm just, right. See? I love that you love this film. I love this so
much. What surprises me about the film is firstly, it's all incredibly based on, um, the writers,
teenage summers, right? Her actual nickname. So Eleanor Bergstein was called baby exactly. And
she did meet a dance tutor who, who the Patrick spacey character is based on. Yeah. She gets this
film greenlit based on being in the right place at the right time, talking to the right people.
No clue how you would get this greenlit today. Right. Not a shot. There is no universe.
That's what we get today. But then we say, we say it got greenlit. It got greenlit for $5 million
at a time when the average cost was 12 million. This is the Indiest of Indie films. They were not
expecting this to be big. If they thought it was a teen interest story, they were desperate for the
abortion subplot to be dropped. Cause they were like, that is good. That is absolutely red rag to
a bull in Reagan's America. Yeah. But the film drew adult audiences instead of the expected
teenagers. And then, what was it here? Word of mouth promotion. It came to number one in the U S
and in 10 days it had broken the $10 million mark, which is mental for 87. It's mental for a tiny
movie that no one gave a shit about. It's mental that that $5 million in 1987 turned into $214
million worldwide, which if you adjust for inflation means they spent 14 million and they
made 611 million back. You see what I'm saying? Like that's nutty, right? That is a 4,300% increase.
With a film that is so heavy on segregation. You know what I mean? Segregation? There's a big
segregation. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the fact that there's a black male dancer and a black female
dancer, they only dance with each other. No, no, no, no. Oh, okay. No. So the class segregation
where like you've got the rich guests. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. That's baby stuff. Come on.
The segregation. If this is not with us, they're not, they're the dance people. What's she doing
here? She's not part of the dance gang. That's true. That's true. I was never part of the dance
right because I, I was a goth. So I would just stand in one place and I do the, I just do the
hop, do the little pop, right? Maybe let my friends shake a little bit, you know? Exactly.
So it's the equivalent of you carrying a watermelon into the townies secret party house.
Right. Yeah. And you trying to blend in, you know what I mean? It's like, it's, I know it's a goofy
like joke, but you can replace it with anything. You can put any sort of war in opposites here,
race, gender, class, species, ice cream, toppers, everything works. Yeah. This is like an analogy.
This very, this very much this ran so avatar could walk. Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Dirty dancing. So that avatar could walk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the best way to put,
that's the episode title right there. I've got, I've got a game for us, but just before we do,
because this is going to light the game will lighten the mood, but this is, this is the
unlike bit, which is a Bergstein talking about the subplot and how desperate the studio were to get
rid of it. They were like, Eleanor, we'll pay you to go back into the editing room and take the
abortion out, which is ironic. Right. She's like, honestly, I'd be happy to, but if I take it out,
the whole story collapses. There's no reason for baby to help Penny for her to dance or to fall in
love with Johnny. None of these things will happen without the abortion. So I can't do it. But the
interesting thing is that Eleanor Bergstein, the writer of dirty dancing recalled being the abortion
being important for her as a subplot, despite the movie being made in 1987, which is more than a
decade after Roe v Wade, which made abortion legal. And she said, I don't know that it will always
be legal and very young women didn't remember a time before Roe v Wade. So I hoped this film
would help them learn not to take it for granted. I hoped they would know what it was like before.
That's intense. You know,
it's a bit when you consider how well America's doing with that right now. And I think all we
need to do is just organize some watch along to dirty dancing. I'm down for this. I am down for
organizing. Just get some Republican conventions, just screen dirty dancing outside Republican
conventions. Just get 100% 100% right. Do you want to play a game? I would love to buddy. Right. It's
the, uh, it's the what's his name? The, um, the guy, Oh, the what's his face? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He, um, he played Vida Bohem in to Wong Fu. Thanks for everything. Julian Neumar.
I have no idea what any of the words you just said at me. So the film, the film to Wong Fu.
Thanks for everything. Julie Neumar. Okay. It's got Wesley Snipes and John Luguizyamo as drag queens.
He played, uh, he played velvet Larry in powder blue and, and Picos bill in tall tail. He was in
that jar rule video. Murder Reigns. Oh my God. What the fuck is his name? He played, um, dance
class instructor and dirty dancing Havana nights. His, his, his brother played Gork in beach babes
from beyond. Yes. Okay. Uh, okay. Okay. Uh, is this John Travolta? No. Is it not? Joey Travolta
is in beach base from beyond. Who does Joey Travolta play in beach babes from beyond? He
doesn't play Gork. Well, no, cause it's, it's this guy's brother. So the, this guy's brother plays
Gork in beach base from beyond. Okay. Keep going. He plays, he played dance class instructor and
dirty dancing Havana nights. Havana nights. Okay. Uh, you've not seen powder blue where he played
velvet Larry. No, I think I know who you're on about and the name is on the tip of my tongue.
Okay. Okay. Not clicking for me. He played race Darnell in letters from a killer. That is from a
killer. He played Jack McLeod in three wishes. Oh my God. He appeared as himself as the player in
the player. He was Sam Wheat in ghost. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Keep
it going. He was, uh, he was, he was nomad in steel Dawn. Oh, keep it going. My dick's tingling.
Keep it going. Okay. He was Johnny Castle in dirty dancing. Yeah, he was. Keep it going.
He was, uh, he was James Dalton in roadhouse. Yeah. He was, uh, oh God, what was the,
he was Jim Cunningham and Donnie Darko. It's on the tip of my tongue.
It's Joey Travolta. There you go. No, it's not. It's Patrick Swayze. Obviously. Brother
played Gork in beach base from beyond. He played a drag queen called Vida Bohem with Wesley Snipes
and John Leguiziamo Leguiziamo and he played velvet Larry in powder blue. He was in a jar rule video.
Do you know what I think he's incredible? He played unnamed dance class instructor in the
2011 spin-off of dirty dancing. I've noticed that 2004. Sorry. 2004. Okay. So we're talking about
beach waves from beyond and his brother playing Gork, right? Don Swayze. Yeah. So Patrick Swayze
and John Travolta did a movie together. They did. And I think it's very cute that John Travolta's
brother Patrick Swayze's brother did film co-starred in beach tapes from beyond. Yeah. That is the
cutest thing. Isn't it just, oh my God, that's the cutest thing. I love this. I love this.
Was it the outsiders that they did together? What was the film? Joey Travolta? No, Don Swayze.
Oh, stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. We got comment corner and I want to, I want to
do a few. I forgot comment corner existed. To be honest, we haven't done this in ages. I know,
but it's, it's honestly the best. I love it. All right, let's do it. Where else would you get such
wisdom? And Instagram. Steven Miller's been very, Steven Miller reviews their page is brilliant.
By the way, I love this guy. They very kind about a heretic, our episode and the movie.
Uh, they were very excited for the Nosferatu one, but on the subject of best horror of 2024,
Huli12 commented late night with the devil. Anyone? Ooh, right. Good shout. How did we,
I love that film is so, so good. Yeah. Now conveniently named apathy for production commented
about the killer. One of the most boring and cliched movies ever made. So, um, pretty apathetic
about it. And, uh, apparently heretic was trash according to Dick sensei. Dick sensei. That might
be one of the best screen names going. That's incredible. It's good. Okay. Well, I mean,
it's a fair comment. It's not for everyone, you know what I mean? But it's, it's, it's objectively
an incredible film. So he is wrong. Uh, that was comment corner. If you want to be part of next
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got mental health issues. We're trying our best. So you might just be not that fun. You know what
I mean? Be fun with it. Some of them are hilarious and I forget to reply to them. Some of them are
legitimately, I read them, I go, that's me. I'll reply to that when I've got time. And then it's
just lost to the sands of time. That's good, man. I've, I've enjoyed this. I think I need to give
like a quick, a quick overhaul summary just to give everyone something to take away a bit of
homework. A few pointers to keep in mind whilst we're watching roadhouse. Let me get my pen and
paper out. Right. It's nonsense. Get your pen and paper. Okay. Get you, get the pigeon scribbles
ready. You ready? Yeah. Lessons Johnny has learned that will encourage his future development into
James Dalton by Ben Groves. Age 36. Age 36 buddy. There is a three in it though. Good job you.
He's learned to fight for what he believes is right, whether he is alone or not. He's learned
to pick his battles. He is believing he can be what he wants and that he can be deserving of love.
He's learned to not be as scared. He's gaining his view of what is right, what is just. He
throws away his bonus to give baby the send off that she deserves. He's no longer employed at
Kellermans or bothered by his past to such a detrimental extent. Everyone deserves a chance
to prove themselves. His final speech on stage. Somebody taught me there are people who are willing
to stand up for other people no matter what it costs them. Somebody who taught me about the kind
of person I want to be. Welcome to the birth of James Dalton. The Swayzeverse. Yeah buddy.
What are you rating episode one of the Swayzeverse Dirty Dancing? Okay so this film I've watched
maybe three times, four times in prep for this just because there's a lot of me getting distracted
and just enjoying the film and then like f*** I need to make notes. Another couple minutes
lovely. You know what I mean sorry about that. Also, f***. I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna give it
a nine. What? I'm gonna give it a nine because it's been a fat ten for most of my life. I think a lot
of it is based on nostalgia but I know where this trilogy is gonna go and I need a little bit of
wiggle room. Right. If I knew where it was going and I didn't need the room it would have been a
fat ten but I need the wiggle room. What on earth are you talking about? Roadhouse has got to be
like one of my all-time favorite films. It's amazing. This is why the remake upset me so much.
You are a man with a fork in a world of soup. Yeah. You are room temperature IQ, hard of thinking,
painted idiot. This is a fat ten. It is a fat ten but you need some room. You need some room.
But Ben you were like oh maybe it's nostalgia. I'd never seen this film before and I am widely
regarded as one of the most cynical men that walks the earth. Yeah. I can find, do you know
how easy it is for me to look at a sunset and go it's s***. I've seen it before. Right. It'll
happen tomorrow. Right. What's the special about you? No, no, no. What I'll do is I'll go this is
brilliant except for that one bit of cloud. Yeah. It would have been perfect. And that one bit of
cloud has ruined the whole thing. This is a fat ten. I'm so happy that you're getting a fat ten
out of this. I am so happy. But my point is right is we've been doing so many fat tens. You wouldn't
know a good film if it hit you in the Pachanga Ben. What are you talking about? This is insane.
This is like, this is an incredible movie but listen, listen. If all films are fat tens,
no film is a fat ten. Excuse me, Blink Twice was an eight. Yeah. We celebrated our eight on
Blink Twice. Yeah. Nosferatu was a 9.9. For you. You're the one giving out fat tens everywhere.
That's what I'm saying buddy. So don't have a go at me when I'm not giving out fat tens. I'm trying
to learn to be a better person. I'm evolving into my Ben Dalton. Here's what's happened is you've
gone into a field of sheep and you've gone, that's a, that's a cake, that's a cake, that's a cake,
that's a cake. And then I've given you a slice of cake and you've gone, it's a sheep. Yeah. Moron.
Anyway, what are we doing next week? Next week's part two. Brilliant. Crazy Swayze Theory. We're
doing Roadhouse. Can't wait for that nine. Yeah. No, Roadhouse is a 10. I'll just give you that.
It's a fat 10. I needed the room for Roadhouse man. I'm telling you. Right. Okay. It's one of
my favourite films of all time. It's incredible. Please go and watch it in advance. Take away some
of the homework that you have and see if you can connect the dots between Johnny Castle and James
Dalton and just see if they see if it tracks so far with you. And if not, why not? Are you mental?
Send me an email immediately explaining why, because I need to fight you in the episode
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with us, especially at the start of the week. We know a lot of you listen on a Monday. Ben's
going to wrap up the thoughts, themes and feelings of this movie, not, not other films, no, this movie,
not roadhouse, this one dirty dancing into a little Monday motivational pep talk, which is
nonsense because the whole film is two hours of Monday motivation, but Ben's going to sum it up
and as long as it takes me to tell you to just consume. I think we can all take a leaf out of
baby's book here, right? If you ever find yourself bored or like hanging out with a family, you're
like, God, my doctor dad is just, it's just not doing it for me. This isn't, I don't want to try
on wigs for fun. Go f**k an older one. You know what I mean? Go slumming it for a bit. Cause those
pores, I'm telling you the pores, we ain't afraid it's going to break. You know what I mean? Swayze
ain't sweating it. Swayze ain't thinking, Oh no, you know, what about this? His knee nearly exploded.
He didn't give a f**k. He's like, my knee's gone. What do I need a d**k for? If I get a bad tooth,
I might lose a leg.