1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast. My name is Ben Crohls. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,120 My name is Rob Macfarlane and welcome to the show, a movie podcast where we ask the important 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:24,600 questions like is art subjective? Or can you categorically claim that one film is the best 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,760 horror of 2024? Of course you can't, but I'm going to anyway. 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Oh, okay. You're doing it this week? Yeah. 6 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,240 Oh, this is going to be a fun one. Yeah. 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Let me pull out my fighting trousers real quick. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,200 This is the censored version of the show guys. Swear's will be bleeped, but fear not. As always, 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:46,440 the full uncensored version is available early on our Patreon for as little as one pound. 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,280 It's only a pound. It's a quid. It's literally a quid. 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,040 The link to that is wherever you clicked play on this episode. So go enjoy. 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,200 It's everywhere. How are you doing today, bud? 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,640 Mate, I'm good. I'm just, I'm busier than a one armed monkey with two cocks. It's just, 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,040 I cannot find. That's busy, right? 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,560 That's busy. It's also quite rare in nature, I think. 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:11,080 I think it's, it's not frequent enough. Imagine how fun a zoo would be if that was the main 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,240 attraction. Like, oh yeah, come see a hippo. I've seen a hippo. What I haven't seen. 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,920 That's fair point. Fair point. You know what I mean? 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaking of medical miracles and freaks of nature, how are you bud? 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,320 I'm doing good, man. I'm doing good. 21 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:25,720 Yeah? Yeah. I've been catching up on stuff. 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:31,400 I'm on top of stuff. I'm feeling productive. I was going to say it's the last week. It's like 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,040 I've got my co-host back. It's not just some demon who's like, yeah, I'll do that. 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,360 And then just bed burritos in depression and struggles not to piss himself. 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,320 And then I go, I'll do that. And they're like, no, I've got this. I'm really looking forward 26 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:46,920 to doing it. Don't take it away from me. I love doing it. Cool. Is it done? 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,920 No, Rob. I hate this. I love doing this, but I hate myself. 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,240 So. But you're back, mate. It's honestly, I've missed you and you're a delight. 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,400 I'm feeling good, man. I'm feeling good. It's good. I saw a couple of movies on the weekend. 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,960 They were great. Companion. Super fun film. Nice. 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,840 What else did I see? Oh, Love Hurts. Oh, okay. Any good? 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Fine. Fine. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,760 What are we doing today? Today, buddy, we're doing Heretic, 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:19,720 the Hugh Grant starring and Mormon scarring horror of 2024 that cleaned up the critics 35 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,720 and at the box office. First off, fantastic writing, by the way. That was beautiful. 36 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,120 Thank you. Second of all, very difficult to say. 37 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,840 And we're answering all the hard questions. Is casting a romance star as a villain so hot 38 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,240 right now? You are really pushing this one. I love this. I love this. Why is this sinister old man 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,840 using Japanese water features to torture people? And most importantly, I've brought four pieces of 40 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,000 evidence that God is real and that this is the best horror of 2024. 41 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,600 I'm here for it. And I'm going to guide you down 42 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,880 the episode, buddy, basement by basement. You're going to question me. 43 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,040 And then you're going to question yourself. And then finally, when all is said and done, 44 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:03,480 you're not going to be able to deny the truth. Heretic is the best horror of 2024. 45 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,080 Dude, my mustache just tingled. That's how excited I am right now. Honestly, 46 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,880 I feel like I can hear my pockets. That's how excited I am right now. 47 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,600 It's going to be a good one. Now, for those people that haven't seen the film and aren't intending to 48 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,280 or saw it when it came out and need a refresher so that you know what's going on, 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,600 we've written a little breakdown of the plot. I mean, while I say we, Ben, you took the reins 50 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,160 this week. I did. I got sick of doing long winded ones because A, they're hilarious and they're very 51 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:34,600 well written, but also we spoil shit needlessly. So this one, small, concise, very brief overview. 52 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,760 And then we get to the spoiling. You know what I mean? 53 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Lovely. Lovely. Then we can get to the chunk of it. 54 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Just say from here on out, if you've not seen the film, we really recommend you do. 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,560 And I'm about to tell you what happened. So, you know, pause and come back. 56 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Go watch, but then please do come back because we are desperate for the validation. 57 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,200 I hate the wee. I hate the wee that you throw in. 58 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,160 Sorry. Rob is desperate for the validation. 59 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,840 That's better. Thank you. 60 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,400 Just for you, Ben. 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Now, Heretic 2024 is about sisters Paxton and Barnes, not real sisters, but young Mormon 62 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,600 missionaries visiting the house of Mr. Reed, responding to his request for religious discussion. 63 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Initially, Mr. Reed engages them in a seemingly respectful theological conversation. 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,080 He's nice. But there's, there's subtle hints 65 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,960 suggesting a more sinister agenda. Yeah. 66 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,480 Little twitches. Little twitches. 67 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,520 As the discussion progresses, Reed's demeanor shifts and he begins to challenge the missionaries' 68 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,880 beliefs aggressively. He subjects them to psychological manipulation and orchestrates 69 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,000 disturbing scenarios to test their faith and resilience. 70 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Hero. The women discover evidence of Reed's previous victims, 71 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,480 heightening the tension and their desperation to escape. Reading this, Ben, it sounds like a sort 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,040 of theological Takeshi's castle. It is. 73 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,520 That's exactly how I would describe this film. It's a theological Takeshi's castle. 74 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,360 Is it? That's, that's the elevator pitch. 75 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,760 Yeah. That's it. In a climactic struggle, sister 76 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Paxton confronts Reed, utilizing her wits and newfound inner strength. 77 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Oh, I've got a point about that. She manages to overpower him with a little 78 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:12,120 help from her belief, leading to a violent resolution. The film winds down with an ambiguous 79 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,080 ending questioning what the f**k we just watched in the best possible way. 80 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,000 Yeah. That's good. I like that, buddy. 81 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,400 Thank you. You pointed out earlier, 82 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,600 but I do feel I need the, I do need to reiterate. You do. 83 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Because it's, it's not catching fire by itself. So I need to fan the flames. 84 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,440 This is part two of a little mini series we're doing called So Hot Right Now, 85 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,600 where we look at a trend. So hot right now. 86 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,400 It's just, just so hot right now. Do you know what my favourite thing about this is, bud? 87 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,480 I'm pretty sure that that's said by Will Ferrell in Zoolander. 88 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,400 No, it is. That's the reference. Well done. 89 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,600 And you hate Will Ferrell. 90 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,520 No, I like Will Ferrell sometimes. And I despise him other times. 91 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Step Brothers, one of my favourite comedies. 92 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:50,840 Okay. 93 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:56,120 Anchorman, incredible. But there are other films I'm like, come on, Will. It's just you shouting. 94 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Ooh, I'm going to get us to watch a Will Ferrell film that I think you're going to love. 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:00,680 And it's not a comedy. 96 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,600 Is it the Stranger than Fiction? 97 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,640 No, God, no. You're taking the piss. I'm never watching that piece of s**t again. 98 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:11,480 But that's right. So last week we covered Blink Twice, a movie with a rom-com star 99 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:18,120 playing a right s**t. And here we are today with a rom-com star playing a right s**t. 100 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Yeah, we are. Now, just before we get into the nitty gritty, 101 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,960 I want to know, you enjoyed this, right? I know you, you know me, but this is a film we like. 102 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,600 I came out of the cinema having watched this and was imploring you to go and watch it. I was like, 103 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:39,080 please watch it. Please watch it because it is, if anything, right, this is your film of 2024. 104 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,880 Mystical Nerdery, Mystical Nerdery and Street Magic. Yes, please. 105 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,240 You see what I mean? The Street Magic in there. You f**king love that stuff. You love it. 106 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,080 There's theological discussion. There's an over-researched knobhead being an 107 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,480 insufferable prick towards women. 108 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,360 I felt so seen. 109 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:03,720 Do you know what? There just haven't been enough insufferable white guys over explaining things 110 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,160 to women in cinema for me to feel like I'm represented. And it's nice to see my people 111 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,320 on screen. There's a hole in cinema that needs to be filled. And by God, Hugh Grant tried, 112 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,120 you know what I mean? So I saw this film in the cinema and I came out because I'm, 113 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,120 I've always, since we started the show, I've been desperate to find a film that bridges the gap 114 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,440 between your taste in cinema where you get something from it. It's a cerebral. 115 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,680 Tell me this is the one. It's a cerebral exercise. Yeah. And then I love the horror 116 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,720 element of it. And I like the whole creepy tension building stuff. And I also like the kind of goofy 117 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,680 deaths that happen in films. This has everything for both of us. I was like, Rob, watch it. 118 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,000 This is our film. This is the film that bridges it. 119 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,240 So I got, I got four arguments here, Ben, as to why this is the best horror of 2024. 120 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,040 Okay. Hit me with it. 121 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:48,840 The four layers. 122 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,800 Let's, let's dive in. The first one, the first one is a little amuse-bouche, 123 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,240 right? This is to draw you in. Okay. It's more of a question for you. Okay. I 124 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:02,440 want to say that Heretic is such a good film. Yeah. Because the final girl is almost entirely 125 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:08,840 unique in that she doesn't find any inner physical strength. Okay. She's not the smart, 126 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:16,440 capable one. Okay. She's the innocent, kind one. Yeah. The film sets up sister Barnes as 127 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,880 the protagonist for the first third of this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sister Barnes is the protagonist. 128 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Yes. Until suddenly she's not. And you realize that it's her mate, her nerdy, sweet mate, 129 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,280 who doesn't really change throughout the film. Okay. I don't know if there's been in my experience 130 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:40,760 of horror, another final girl who's not had to develop a new skill, but is already has what she 131 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:47,240 needs. Okay. And just sticks to that gun. And that gun is softness, kindness, and naivety. I have two 132 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,960 points to come back for this, right? Please do. Um, cause you're more of a horror guy than I am. 133 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,400 This is your wheelhouse. This is your wagon wheel. I do enjoy good horrors. This is your club biscuit 134 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,560 in the, in the lunchbox. Yeah. We can just cut the crap. This is my birth, this is my personality. 135 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:05,400 You know what I mean? This is, this is where I, this is where I live now. This is what you have 136 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,920 instead of a chin. Yeah. This is what I have instead of a functioning personality, right? 137 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,920 It's just sort of like, Hey, how are you doing today? Yeah. Yeah. Great. Have you seen Friday the 13th? 138 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,480 And speaking of Friday the 13th, I'm going to put it out there that Alice, the final girl in 139 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Friday the 13th, she is also very sweet, very naive, yet very capable when needs to be very capable, 140 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,840 when needs to be, which is what sister Paxton does in this film. Cause when she needs to turn 141 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,120 the cerebral tanks on, she does. And she starts playing the game, but she plays it in a way that 142 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,520 sort of sways it in her favor. Very much like Alice in Friday the 13th, where when she's, you know, 143 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,200 backed into a corner, bear in mind Friday the 13th, if you haven't seen it, it's been out since 1980. 144 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:53,800 So go yourself, but also the main antagonist is an elderly woman. Okay. Pamela Voorhees, right? 145 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,880 It's Mrs. Voorhees. I wouldn't know. I've not seen it, but I don't need to now cause it's Pamela 146 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,920 Voorhees. Yeah. It's this brittle old woman who can somehow summon the strength to string up a 147 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,800 fully grown adult man into a tree on some sort of rope and pulley system. So that when you walk 148 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,800 under it, he just drops in front of you like a pendulum. No one talks about the upsides of 149 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:17,000 osteoporosis man. This is what I'm saying. Chalky bones. You are light. You float on water. 150 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,360 You are undrownable. But so when Alice is like backed into a corner at the end of the film, 151 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:28,600 faced up against Mrs. Voorhees, she ends up sort of just swinging a shovel, decapitating her end 152 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,520 in the film, right? That's not a new skill that she learns. That's just a desperate, desperate 153 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:38,040 attempt to survive. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is great. But what I'm going to say is I don't 154 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:46,120 think Paxton is the only protagonist in this film. I think Barnes is the unsung hero in this one. 155 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:51,880 I think she's a final girl in her own right, which I think is a more unique thing in horror. 156 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:57,400 To people like myself who perhaps, I mean, I only know what a final girl is because I know you and 157 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,920 that's your personality. Can you describe to the more refined viewer who watches real films, 158 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,600 what a final girl is? And then we'll get back to Barnes being one. Okay. In a horrible situation 159 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,560 where a horde of people are dying, a horde of capable people are dying, the last person standing, 160 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:20,280 final girl. And Barnes is one. I think Barnes is one. I think Barnes is, hear me out. Barnes is 161 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,920 almost one. Let's be fair. Hear me out. This is what makes her unique as a final girl. She doesn't 162 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:31,000 make it to the end. Her final act is everyone has assumed that she has been dead for the whole film. 163 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Spoiler alert. Sorry about this one. Should have put this in the breakdown. Go watch it. Go watch 164 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,800 it. We told you. Everyone assumes that she's been dead for the entire film and she only musters up 165 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:47,720 enough strength to save Paxton when A, Paxton needs a confirmation of her beliefs. A miracle, 166 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:53,800 yeah. A miracle, which Barnes provides. Yes. She also summons up enough strength to stand for her 167 00:11:53,800 --> 00:12:00,520 own convictions, which is that this man is a piece of shit. My friend deserves to live. Yes. And 168 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,680 then after that, that is her final act. And then after that, we assume that she then dies again. 169 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,760 Yes. Immediately. But there is no confirmation of this. It's just assumed. Right. I would put 170 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:20,120 that in a more unique final girl moment considering she delivers the death blow. Okay. Over Paxton. 171 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:26,520 Do you know what I mean? Paxton is very good at getting the, um, getting huge grant into that room. 172 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She has no clue that Barnes is still alive or just has, has just 173 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:37,400 enough life to help her out. She is genuinely full leaning into her faith in this moment. Yes. And 174 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:44,840 it is just such a wonderful, gorgeous thing to see her faith reignited and reaffirmed and Barnes 175 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,360 holding out just enough love to save a friend, which is gorgeous. It's incredible. Like the, 176 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:56,120 the writing of this film and the dialogue is the dialogue is perfect. The performances are perfect. 177 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:02,280 The subtext and the messaging is perfect on that point about her faith though, as I think that's 178 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:08,600 my original point is she walks in with her faith. She does. And she wins with her faith. She does. 179 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:14,280 And she leaves with her faith in terms of a narrative arc. She stays steady. It's the 180 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:21,400 people around her that waver or change or, I like this. That's why I think, you know, 181 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,640 and there's an interesting, I got, I flipped through the screenplay cause it's available online. 182 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,080 Yeah. So there's a scene in the film where Paxton says, uh, if, you know, if I were to die, 183 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,440 I would come back as a butterfly and I would land directly on someone's hands. So they knew exactly 184 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,360 like what was going on. It wasn't a coincidence. Fingertip. She said fingertip cause she wanted 185 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,960 to make sure that people knew that it was her and not just a random butterfly. And so 186 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,200 when Paxton gets to the end of the film, Barnes is dead. She finally escapes the house. It's the 187 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:53,800 last few seconds of the film and a butterfly lands on her finger. Now I was curious. I was like, 188 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,800 what, it's quite a faith affirming point in a film that is about the dismantling of faith 189 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:06,920 as a system of control. Mr. Reed's entire ethos is faith is just a system of control. 190 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,840 And if you have faith, that means you can be controlled, which is why you're going to come 191 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,920 into my basement of horrors. And then it ends with this butterfly on the end. And I'm like, 192 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:21,240 ah, is this a, is this a God squad movie? Is this a like, I had a similar, I had a similar panic. 193 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:27,240 So I had to check the screenplay and I'll read, uh, Paxton looks at the beautiful creature. It 194 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,640 seems to mean something to her. It crawls to the top of her hand, pauses a moment, then it flies 195 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,400 right back to the fingertip. Is it a sign from Barnes? Is it a message from God? Is this the 196 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:44,360 butterfly dream? Are we in a simulation? Is it a coincidence or a hallucination? A divine confirmation? 197 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:52,120 Who knows? And, you know, I love about the, this scene specifically, I was going to bring this up 198 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,360 later in the episode, but we're on it now. The thing that I love about this is my interpretation 199 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,640 of it was that the way that they were talking about, you know, their dreams and what they thought 200 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,360 heaven would be like, and if they were ever reincarnated, what they would do. And it just 201 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:16,840 kind of hit me when I was leaving the cinema that what if Paxton is just in that horrid basement 202 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:23,800 bleeding out from a diabolical wound to the stomach and is just dreaming this whole thing 203 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,800 that Barnes is with her, giving her a little symbol that she's up in heaven. She's been 204 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,160 reincarnated as a butterfly. She wants to let her know that it's going to be okay. What if that is 205 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:39,400 just all a moment before death hallucination. And it's just, it's just the last little thing of like, 206 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:45,000 you can really hold your belief right up until the end. And as long as it gives you something 207 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,760 as beautiful as that, go for it. You know what I mean? 208 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:54,600 It's always led into my kind of my atheist rationalization of life after death, which is 209 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,880 that when your brain dies and turns off, the last thought you have is the last thought you're 210 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:05,560 conscious of having. So it's technically lasting forever. So where you think you're going is where 211 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:11,560 you go. Yeah. There's also that scientific thing, right? Where your brain, your brain can have 212 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,840 electrical activity for up to seven minutes after your body dies. But being as your brain is now 213 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,480 firing synapses, but with no concept of time, no perception of reality, no perception of anything, 214 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,200 it can theoretically feel like a lifetime, right? Right. So if you think you're going to hell, 215 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,240 oh yeah, dude, you spend those seven minutes of eternity in hell. You have no, you have no 216 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,400 correlation of time that could last a thousand years. That's my point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 217 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,400 It's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Um, there we go. We solved the afterlife. We said, 218 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,720 we asked the answer the big questions. The film, the film solved the afterlife for me. 219 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,600 The film reaffirmed my atheist ways and it did it in such a gorgeous way that was like, 220 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,640 it just made me chuckle. This is on like, I saw it twice in the cinema. I've seen it maybe three or 221 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:59,400 four times since it's been out of the cinema. Right. And on my last watch, I was just, it was 222 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,800 no, no, it's no, nothing. Just super casual. Me and me and Roxy were having a little cuddle. 223 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:09,320 Roxy's my German shepherd, by the way. It's not weird. We were just having a little cuddle. It 224 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:16,360 was gorgeous. And then, uh, the moment where Mr. Reed writes belief and disbelief on two separate 225 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:21,800 doors and it's, it's choose which one that you want to go through. Do you believe or do you not 226 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,680 believe? And both of those doors lead you into the same hole in the ground. And I was like, 227 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,040 if that isn't the perfect metaphor for what everyone is going through on a day to day basis, 228 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,320 it doesn't matter whether you believe or not. As long as it means something to you, 229 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,120 that's all that matters. You're both going to end up in a hole in the ground. 230 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,680 I love you. You little fuzzy faced felon, because guess what I was just about to bring up on my 231 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:53,960 second layer of reasons, reasons that heretic is the best horror film of 2024. Okay. Okay. 232 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,080 I'm here for this. According to your definition of a perfect film. I knew this was coming. 233 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Yeah. Heretic is a perfect film. Okay. Okay. So there's a scene. Did Hugh Grant do this in 234 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,760 real life? Yeah, he did. Yeah. Well, I've got something on that layer. Okay. But it's not, 235 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,200 it's not to do with Hugh Grant. It's to do with those two doors you mentioned, the belief 236 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:21,320 and the doubt that lead to the same place. Okay. That's not an original story conceit. No. That is 237 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:27,160 based on originate or an early sort of formalization of that. That concept was in a 238 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,120 short story by Frank Stockton called The Lady or the Tiger, where a man is presented with two doors. 239 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:36,840 And it's a, it's a very famous short story. It's been kind of plagiarized by a lot of popular media, 240 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:45,800 like heretic, a couple of Batman animated episodes. It's kind of almost a cliche now. It's a, it's a 241 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:51,800 trope. Just before he does that, he tells a brief little anecdote about the Landlord game. Yeah, 242 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,080 he does. Which is a board game, Victorian board game. And he says, do you know Monopoly? But do 243 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:02,760 you know the Landlord game? And he talks about iterations, every story being an iteration 244 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,400 of another story. Yeah. Hit me with this because I can already feel a f**k you coming your way. I'm 245 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,440 just putting it out there, buddy. Well, you've got the two doors. We do. Which is an iteration 246 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,640 of Frank Stockton's The Lady or the Tiger. It is. You've got the maze of the house, which is an 247 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:23,800 iteration of the Greek myth of Theseus. Yeah, it is. It went with the Minotaur, the deadly Minotaur. 248 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,640 Yeah. In the maze with you. Yeah. Also referenced in Saltburn. You've also got Dante's Levels of 249 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,920 Hell, which is a poster on the wall where Dante is led down by the angel Virgil through the layers 250 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,800 of hell. And this is a vertical house where it's layers of basement upon basement where each one 251 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:47,720 is more hellish than the last. The entire story itself is an iteration of all the debates and all 252 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,440 of the religious movies that have come before it. A lot of the horror movies that have come before 253 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:59,640 it. It's a perfect film because it's a film about iteration that is itself an iteration. So much so 254 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,560 that the little nod that they do about how creepers are reinterpretation of the air that I breathe by 255 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,160 the Hollies. You grant us that whole speech. And at the end credits, it's Sophie Thatcher, 256 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,520 who's the actress who plays Sister Barnes singing a cover of Knocking on Heaven's Door to the tune 257 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:22,520 of Fade Into You. It's iteration on iteration and iteration. Which Fade Into You by Mazzy Starr. 258 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Yeah. I fucking adore that song. Sorry. That was wild off topic, but I didn't know that. 259 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:34,040 No, it's a great song. It's a film about iterations that is itself an iteration. Okay. It's an example 260 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,720 of what it's talking about. It is. And you are correct. That is my definition of a perfect film 261 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:46,280 where it is made in such a way that the only people that are more just... The only people that are as 262 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:51,160 justified to tell that story are the ones that are living it right now. And it turns out that this 263 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:56,520 film is in fact itself living itself, itself, everything that it's preaching. So you have, 264 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:04,280 again, trapped me in a corner where I cannot argue this because... We're on level two of four. 265 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:10,120 Yeah. Okay. Sound. All right. Well, so far you've convinced me it is in fact a perfect film. Is it 266 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:14,680 the best film of 2024? The best horror film of 2024? Yes. I'm uncertain because we had some 267 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,880 bangers last year. We ate well last year. We did. We did. It was a good year for horror. 2024 was a 268 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:26,600 great year for horror, excluding long legs, which I despised. We'll get to that. I want to do that 269 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,560 film at some point because on a few rewatches, the marketing ruined it. And I'll go into that. 270 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,280 I didn't get through to my first watch. Okay. I got to Nicolas Cage screaming in a car. Yeah. 271 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:44,120 Mommy. Yeah. I paused it and I went, this is not for me. It was the endless procession 272 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:50,680 of lingering shots of suburban doorways. And I was like, you're not respecting my time here, film. 273 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,000 I've got a limit. I can only watch so many films a week. Yeah. Okay. And so far I'm 274 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,520 14 minutes into this film and I've seen some curtains, a lot of furniture, and then suddenly 275 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:09,240 without warning, Nicolas Cage cosplaying someone's nan doing a Marilyn Manson impression. 276 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:15,080 Incredible. It's incredible. It is actually incredible. We'll get into it at some point, 277 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,720 though. We will get into it. But yeah, I need you to keep selling me on why this is the best 278 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:28,520 horror movie of 2024. Cause I have a list of films that are incredibly good. And I have one, 279 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:34,760 which I think shits over every horror that we've had for not, not for the reason that you think, 280 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,080 for a very different reason. Okay. Okay. Well, we'll hear me out. Yeah. Hit me with it. 281 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,760 You just admitted to yourself that you're an atheist. You're a bit of a cheeky chappy. 282 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,200 Now the church of Latter-day Saints are, believe it or not, not all that saintly. 283 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,680 No. There's some very, very disturbing sort of stuff happening in the background. Obviously 284 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,520 the vast majority of people involved in the faith are just lovely, happy, faithful people. 285 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:06,120 The administration of that faith is, is what I think you, myself, and a lot of people have 286 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:12,360 take issue with. Yes. Now, Beckham Woods, the writers and directors of this film are not Mormon, 287 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,520 but they developed the idea for the film whilst working in Salt Lake. And they got a load of 288 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,880 Mormon friends and met a load of ex-Mormon families. And being ex-Mormon is quite difficult. 289 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,440 Yeah, very. So difficult in fact, that during the research of this episode, I stumbled upon 290 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,640 a place called the Lost and Found Club, which is a group for the female and gender queer, 291 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:37,000 ex-religious community in Salt Lake City. Oh wow. Who hosted their own screening for this film. 292 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,480 Now just quickly, the Mormon church reviewed this film as promoting violence against women 293 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,600 because of their faith, undermining the contributions of volunteers. And the film ran 294 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,960 counter to the safety and wellbeing of our community being dismissive of what believers 295 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,600 find sacred. That sounds like it might've been written by Mr. Reed. 296 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:05,960 Right. Doesn't it just? Doesn't it? But Lexi Seals-Johnson, who is one of the founders or 297 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,400 possibly the founder of the Lost and Found Club, said one of the best depictions of Mormonism that 298 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,120 she's seen. She wrote, I know many women who served missions, my wife included, who could not 299 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:20,920 even watch the trailer because of how eerily similar the first scenes were. The film is a 300 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:26,360 fairly provocative portrayal of faith in general. And it's always jarring to hear these details of 301 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:31,400 the Mormon church discussed in mainstream media because so much of it is hush-hush. 302 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,360 Right. Okay. Now I know you've got candidates for best horror of 2024. 303 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:44,440 Yeah. Have they provided reassurance to the traumatized ex-members of a very controversial 304 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:50,600 religion whilst also wildly offending and upsetting the organization itself? 305 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,920 Um, no. It doesn't. 306 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:01,960 Have they pointed a finger, spoken truth to power and gone, you are a bunch of wankers? 307 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,880 Cause Heretic does. 308 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Heretic does. And Heretic's done a lot for cinema within a horror movie. 309 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Yeah. 310 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,320 Which is great because this is the difference that I'm gonna try and point out, right? 311 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:15,640 Right. 312 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:22,440 Your definition of a good horror movie is first and foremost, a great movie. 313 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,880 Yeah. But scary. 314 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,560 And then secondly is scary. Whereas I would define a great horror movie 315 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:36,440 as something that conveys true horror and disgust in ways that would not be acceptable 316 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:42,520 anywhere else. It's like a weird cathartic release of just humanity at its worst. 317 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,480 Okay. Yeah. 318 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Which is great because not only now do I understand you, like your take on horror a little bit more, 319 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,720 but I now feel like I'm armed and I'm equipped to bring more stuff to the table where I'm like, 320 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840 I'm going to get you on this one, buddy. I'm going to get you on this one, bud. 321 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,160 So no, you are right. None of the films that I've watched last year have done any of that. 322 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,240 And the fact that this film has done that is incredible and it's spoken truth to power. 323 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,800 It's an amazing thing. And I'm, I'm in a weird way. I'm very glad that it's done that because 324 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:18,120 it shone a light on two perspectives of a very, of what I can only imagine being an incredibly 325 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,680 delicate and difficult situation. There is nothing that I could do in my lifetime, 326 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,080 in my current situation that could ever come close to what those people must be going through. 327 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,280 I mean, a lot, a lot of people who were raised Mormon, you know, everyone that, 328 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,840 especially in Salt Lake City and sort of wider Utah, everyone they know is Mormon. 329 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,720 Yeah, of course. 330 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Their entire upbringing is Mormon. And so when they then lose that faith or they want that, 331 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,960 they find that they have parts of their identity or their lifestyle that aren't 332 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,440 compatible with that faith. It's not that they don't believe it's that the people that, 333 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,520 that are part of their society that have supported them, that have nurtured them, 334 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,640 that have raised them say, but you identify as this and therefore we can't support you. 335 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,240 It's not necessarily that they choose to leave. It's that they're rejected for, 336 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,440 yeah, of course, daring to love who they love. Yeah. Or daring to question these kind of things. 337 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,440 It's an incredibly isolating, I can't imagine everyone you know and love turning around and 338 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,240 just going, nope, sorry, not anymore. Yeah, no, that- 339 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,560 Because my faith is more important than my love for you. 340 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,520 I cannot even fathom what that must feel like. 341 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,000 Right. 342 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520 For this film to shine a light on it and give you perspectives from both angles so that you 343 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,520 can make a judgment call on where you would like to align yourself. 344 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,240 What a beautiful- 345 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Is an incredible thing. 346 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840 Important human thing to do. 347 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,480 Exactly. 348 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,640 What are you going to say trumps that Ben? Now's the time. Now's the time to play your hand. 349 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,040 Okay. 350 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,440 What film do you say beats that? 351 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,280 I'm going to have to go Terrifier 3, buddy. 352 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,040 I'm going to have to go Terrifier 3. I'm so sorry. 353 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,200 So I'm going to, I mean, we had The Substance, which was incredible. 354 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,080 We had A Quiet Place Day One, which was fine. 355 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,960 We had Salem's Lot, which was a bag of shite. 356 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,320 We had Nosferatu, which is literally probably one of my favourite films that I've seen 357 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,160 in a long time. 358 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,560 Okay. 359 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,880 You know what I mean? We had Sting. That was ridiculous. 360 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,680 Great Year for Horror. 361 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,160 Cuckoo. 362 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,720 Great Year for Horror. 363 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Smile Two. Abigail. I Saw the TV Glow. All of this stuff. Watches. Dude, we had so much. 364 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,280 We ate so well. 365 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,000 You know. Right. 366 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:22,360 Right. Now hear me out. What do you think is going to make the biggest splash on mainstream cinema 367 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:30,120 than Terrifier 3, who came up the ranks from nothing, literal nothing, was R-rated, 368 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,360 wasn't getting a cinema release. No one would distribute it. They sat in the other landed 369 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:41,000 distributors, had open theatre dates, had such a demand in its, in its wanting that it was then 370 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,560 pushed out into cinemas for an elongated period of time. It was scheduled to run for a week and then 371 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,640 it ended up running for three or four weeks, which was incredible. All independently made. 372 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,480 All a passion project from Damien Lyon and his team, who have all been there since day one. 373 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,560 Terrifier 1 started out with a 35 grand budget, right? Yeah. Terrifier 2 quarter of a million 374 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,680 budget. Terrifier 3 took a two, took a massive gamble on a 2 million budget and turned over 375 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,400 and turned over over a hundred million. Right. At the box office. I hear as an R-rated horror, 376 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,160 which is next to one heard of. This is like Jaws for Horror. 377 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,760 But here's, here's my issue with that argument is that when we've been talking about heretic, 378 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,440 we've been talking about artistic art form related strengths within the film itself. 379 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,280 When you've been talking about terrifier, you've been talking about its commercial performance. 380 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,600 Now I agree. This is just to set you up, buddy. 381 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Terrifier 3 is a fantastic unicorn. That's the commercial success of it, right? 382 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:45,320 A very, very niche genre. And that's to be applauded. But the actual artistic concerns 383 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,240 within once you close your eyes and pretend you've not seen the budget, close your eyes. 384 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,480 And you don't know anything of the background. You just put the film on and you watch it. 385 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Yeah. Which is the better film. 386 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,400 So you get, you get a passion project that's full of practical effects over the tops, 387 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:07,560 over the top, over exaggerated comic book-esque storylines. You get a very, very satisfying 388 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,600 round out to a story that's been dragging out for two films now. And you get some of the best 389 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:21,000 writing from that universe, all on top of some of the most grotesque, wincing horror that I've seen 390 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,320 the entire year. I'm going to go with Terrifier. It's so much fun. 391 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,160 You know that, you know that Top Gear meme of like, this is great, but I love this. 392 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Yes. I feel like it could be, it could be you pointing to a picture of Da Vinci's The Last Supper 393 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:42,120 going, this is great. But I like this and it's just Dali's toilet. It's just, it's just, 394 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160 it's a lobster phone. You're like, yeah, I like the lobster phone. 395 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,720 Horror for me is the practical effects. It's that I'm obsessed with the eighties. Tom, Tom 396 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Savini. Yeah, Todd Savini. 397 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,080 I will fight you in a car park. I swear to God, I knew it was coming. It still made me angry. 398 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,720 Tom Savini, the big height of the, you know, the eighties and the early nineties, 399 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,400 where everything was practical effects, everything was over the top, everything had to be bigger, 400 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,400 dirtier, disgusting, full of blood, open wounds, all this. 401 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,240 Psycho Gorman. Dude, Psycho Gorman is like the creme de la creme. 402 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Do you know what I mean? I get that. I get that. 403 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:22,360 It's that kind of childish innocence mixed with the ultimate evil that really just fucking blows 404 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,960 my tits off. Like unbelievably so. This being said, all I'm doing now is I'm showing my cards 405 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,320 about what I enjoy in cinema and admittedly it's very naive and it's very childish. It's very 406 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,320 immature, but I'm also- Bun doesn't have to be educated, mate. Fun is fun. 407 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:43,240 Fun doesn't have to be educational. Heretic has taught me a lot of lessons. It made me think in 408 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,200 a way that I wouldn't normally think. I will always have respect for it for putting me in a position 409 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,480 where I have to use my brain. And it is still very fun, but I will take the point. 410 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,440 It's still very fun. Herifyer 3 is much more fun-focused. 411 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,160 For me personally, that's where I'm at. Yeah. So let me take you down to the deep, 412 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,800 dark basement, right? Let's go to the lowest one, man. 413 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,840 There's water around our ankles now, right? Yeah, I'm in. I'm ready. 414 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,920 There's a cold drip from the ceiling. I'm ready. 415 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:15,080 This is what Hugh Grant said about his process on Heretic. This is what I do now. I go through 416 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,040 the script with an extraordinary tooth comb over and over again. Why does he do that? Why does he 417 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,840 say that? The answer to each question suggests something about him and his past and that 418 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:31,080 mushrooms into a full biography, which I have all typed out on my computer about his relationship 419 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,360 with his parents, his siblings, what happened at school, what traumatic things have happened, 420 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:42,520 and what hurt him in this particular case to become the monster that he is now. I think it's 421 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,920 very important that the audience can kind of smell the damage inside him. Otherwise, there's a danger 422 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,800 that you just become a pantomime villain. But if they can smell that there's a suffering person in 423 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,880 there, then they're more interesting. Oh, Jesus Christ. 424 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,240 Now, Hugh Grant, I want to ask what pain do you think he's talking about with Mr. Reed? 425 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:09,720 Well, he keeps mentioning a wife that is very obviously not there anymore? Question mark? 426 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,280 Possibly. 427 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:19,880 He says that he only really started getting into theology and research religion in his 40s. 428 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,840 For the last decade, he's in his 50s. Up until that point, there must have been 429 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,840 some shallow soul searching. Who am I as a person? What's this going? 430 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,880 Mm. Okay. So follow along with me down the stank basement. 431 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,920 I'm about to unlock the bike lock. Do it. 432 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,680 There's another character that Hugh Grant played that he became quite famous for 433 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:48,120 before he played Mr. Reed. This character owned a bookshop. He did. 434 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:55,160 Who's called William Thacker, and he lives in Notting Hill. And I put it to you, Ben, 435 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120 that it is Julia Roberts eating that pie in the basement. 436 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,480 Jesus Christ. 437 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:07,720 All those women in cages are Hugh Grant's prior romance co-stars. Mr. Reed is a pseudonym based 438 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,640 on his time running a bookshop in Notting Hill. He marries Julia Roberts. That's the wife he's 439 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:21,880 talking about. Heretic is a sequel to Notting Hill, and that's why it's the best horror film of 2024. 440 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,480 You've just swung it. Dude, that whole theory, 441 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,000 even if there is a fucking pebble of truth in that, that makes it the best horror of 2024. 442 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,760 Are you being serious? That's hilarious. 443 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,200 They're not incompatible. 444 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,080 They're not incompatible. 445 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,280 You can watch this. 446 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,000 It works. 447 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,360 There's a photo of him on the table in the Notting Hill era. I think it's a nod. 448 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:49,480 I love this. I love this so much. See, this is the fun stuff that I strive for in horror. 449 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,080 The goofy, stupid shit mixed in with cerebral stuff. This is it. 450 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,640 There we go. 451 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,640 That's hilarious. I am going to go and watch Notting Hill again, 452 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,320 because I need to do more research into this. This is going to be amazing. 453 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,080 So welcome to the truth, Ben. 454 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,200 Okay. That's interesting. That is interesting. I have a point on Hugh Grant. 455 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,160 Okay. I don't have a point. I have a note that I made whilst watching it. 456 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,800 I don't think I was in a bad mood. 457 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,520 Right. 458 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,720 I've read back through it today and I was like, I might not have been in a good mood. 459 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,320 I don't think I was in a bad mood. I think it was in a shirty mood. You know, when you're just a bit, 460 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,880 sort of like a bit sassy, a bit like, you, it was that. I think I was in that. 461 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,440 Right. So my note on Hugh Grant is this. 462 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:38,680 Hugh Grant reminds me of these older podcasts, self-help, Ben Shapiro type c***s born with a gift 463 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,520 to intelligently ramble a point so convoluted and complex that it's hard for unprepared audiences 464 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,280 to refute. But the more you sit with it, the more you educate yourselves, you begin to realize 465 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,960 that a lot of this cerebral flavored hate speech that they spew on any platform that will entertain 466 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,600 their arrogant nonsense is all the more hollow than it seems in the moment. 467 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,200 I'm going to just amend this, this point that you're talking about Mr. Reed, the character. 468 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,080 Mr. Reed. Yeah, not Hugh Grant. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I've got this horrible habit of just calling 469 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:17,800 actors by their names because I'm, I'm A, either too engrossed in, oh, I love this guy. Or I'm like, 470 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,160 I just forget the character name. I hate this guy. That's my bad. Yeah, that's my bad. That's all. 471 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,560 This is about Mr. Reed, the character in Heretic. Right. Right. And that continues. 472 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,960 It's not too dissimilar from extracting a meaning from a movie and putting it out on a mental health 473 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,320 flavored movie podcast, except we're not throwing hate at people or trying to sell a book or a diet 474 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,760 plan. Right. We're trying to sell a little self-reflection whilst dissecting movies. 475 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,680 And that went full circle for me in this one, cause I read it and I was like, I hate Jordan 476 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,880 Peterson and Ben Shapiro and all these dickheads that are out there, literally. Yeah. Yeah. 477 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,480 Oh, better, better, better. Prove me wrong. Shut up. They are two prime examples of using long words 478 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:04,520 at speed to sound intelligent when what they are saying is pure nonsense. Nonsense. Utter, utter 479 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,600 shit. You sit with it for like a week or so and you're like, shut up. Anyone with half a brain can 480 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,000 listen to a paragraph of what they're saying and just go, you don't have a point here. This is, 481 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,360 this is you, you're just using long words for the sake of using long words. Exactly. And as somebody 482 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,480 who you often make the point, you know, that I have a vocabulary that's this, that or the other. 483 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,240 Like big words. Yeah. But it's called word space like everyone else vocabulary. But that's the 484 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:34,760 thing. I'll, I'll just start calling it word space. Like the whole point of language and words is to 485 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:42,280 communicate ideas to the person you're sat across from. And if you feel the need to use the, the 486 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,160 words that you've had the benefit of, of enjoying as a weapon against somebody else, you're not 487 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,720 communicating. You're just peacocking. And that's like, okay, you're going into this in bad faith 488 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:59,000 already because, because you're, you're using sesquipedalianism as a, as an excuse to do what 489 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,440 I've just done, which is how to have a look at someone's face. I don't know what that means. 490 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,760 What are you talking about? I obviously know what sesquipedalianism means. You know what I mean? 491 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:15,240 I don't, I don't make me pull a sesquipedalianism. I'll sesquipedronium all over this. You know what 492 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:21,640 I mean? Ropes of it. Sesquipedalian is. Oh yeah. Just to explain it, just in case any of the 493 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,720 listeners don't know what it means. Is it polysyllabic or long word? Yeah. There you go. 494 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:31,000 Polysyllabic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 495 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,720 Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what I said. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. No, 496 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:41,320 I agree with you. Hugh Grant is exactly that. And I think he is, sorry, Mr. Reed is exactly that. 497 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,560 And he's very intentionally that in this film. Thank you. There's a lot of the facts that he 498 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:52,600 gets wrong, which I thought was quite interesting. There is. Because for instance, crucifixion 499 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,760 sort of post-dated the Pharaohs by several centuries. There was no way Horus was crucified. 500 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:06,120 Okay. There's major errors that he makes. Horus's number of acolytes was wildly fluctuated according 501 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,800 to the region of Egypt that he was being worshiped. Okay. There are big, big issues with a lot of 502 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,680 stuff he says, which is I think what Sister Barnes picks up on. It's another thing that sort of makes 503 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,880 the tightness of the writing of this film really shine is just as you're starting to think stuff, 504 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:28,920 the characters think it too. There's so little in this film of characters not thinking or saying 505 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,800 the thing that you're screaming at the screen. Yeah. Nine times out of 10, the moment something 506 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,880 occurred to me, I was like, oh, they should do this. That's the next thing they try. Yeah. 507 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,800 The same. Mine was more sort of like grab the spiky thermometer thing, put it in your pocket, 508 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,080 pass it to the other one. Cause you're obviously a weird target. 509 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Yeah. It was all happening. I think the film's a great look at how you can use 510 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,880 this stuff for good or for evil. You know what I mean? Religion can be a great thing and belief 511 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:05,960 can be a great thing for people who need it. And then for people who don't need it, it's no harm, 512 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,760 no foul as long as it's not encroaching on anyone, as long as it's not hateful. Right. Like 99%. 513 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,320 And the film tackles this in a nice way though, because you've got the atheist angle of the one 514 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,360 that's challenging every theory and belief possible whilst ultimately trying to push his own, 515 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,800 but also whilst trying to divide and conquer the two devout Mormons in his house. And it's like, 516 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:34,920 my brother, you might be the devil. You might be Lucifer himself. Jesus Christ. There was so much 517 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,800 of this film where I thought that's the angle they were going to take. I would've hated that. 518 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,480 I was like, oh, they've knocked on Satan's door. I would've hated it. I would've fucking despised 519 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,600 it if that would happen. If that was the outcome of the film, I would have hated doing this 520 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:52,360 episode. I would have demanded that we don't do it. I love a good Satan movie. I like Peter Stormare 521 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,920 in Constantine is comes to mind as a brilliant Al Pacino in Devil's Africa. Come on. Sure. 522 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,600 Come on. Yeah. It's fine. It's all fine. Your sister. It's all fine, but it's all very much 523 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,680 like, and it was all a dream because it's something that I can't relate to. Do you know what I mean? 524 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,120 So then it just, it removes me from it immediately. And I'm like, well, speaking of faith, 525 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:17,320 do you want to play a game? I'd love to. Let's do this. So Britannica.com. That's right. You go to 526 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:26,600 Buzzfeed. I go to encyclopedia websites. Guess who's the posh one. They've got a world religions 527 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:33,960 quiz. Okay. You ready for this? Yeah. What's the name for a candle holder found in Jewish homes? 528 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:40,600 Is it a menorah, a meniscus or a Mario? I want to say Mario, but I know it's not. Is it? It's a 529 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,240 menorah. It's a menorah. Okay. I'm so glad that this is multiple choice. Cause I was like, I know 530 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:51,560 the answer. I just don't remember the answer. What holiday commemorates two Roman saints? St. 531 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:59,240 Vitas's day, St. Valentine's day or St. Elmo's day. I know which one I want to say. I'm going to say, 532 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:07,960 I have no idea on this one. So C is it Elmo? C was Elmo. It's not Elmo. It's not Elmo. No, 533 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,440 no, no. It's not St. Elmo and Tickle Me. I imagine that they're both on the same day, right? No. 534 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:18,760 Although odd tangential fact, the puppeteer who invented Elmo was outed as a particularly 535 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,280 pernicious pedophile. No, it's St. Valentine's day. For fuck sake man. It's nothing sacred. 536 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:31,320 No, no. Tickle Me Elmo is now canceled. The small child like Muppet that wanted every adult to touch 537 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,640 it was weirdly actually a pedo. What a surprise. Yeah. Okay. Now you put it like that. That's kind 538 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,080 of fucked up. This whole shtick was put your hands on me. Yeah, that's okay. The correct answer was 539 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,280 St. Valentine's day. It's to honor two saints named Valentine, both of whom died for their Christian 540 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:53,400 faith. Okay. What's the main sacred text of Zoroastrianism? The Quran, the Bible, the Avesta 541 00:42:53,400 --> 00:43:00,200 or the Rig Veda. Say that entire thing one more time for me. The main sacred text of Zoroastrianism. 542 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:10,520 Zoroastrianism. Yeah. Okay. Is it the Quran, the Bible, or the Rig Veda or the Avesta? What was 543 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:19,480 the name of the sect again? Zoroastrianism. D. Correct. It is. I can't believe you don't know 544 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,560 about this religion because they're mint. Yeah, I've got no clue. One of the oldest religions in 545 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,920 the world. They worship dogs the same way that Hindus worship cows. Sick. Freddie Mercury was 546 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,520 raised in a family of Zoroastrians. Yeah, sick. I'm in. Yeah, mate. Honestly, it is. I might be 547 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,960 religious. Of all the religions, it's the one that I'm like, if I was gonna, it would be, you know. 548 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:48,840 Okay. All right. That's my Johnny Depp of religion. Although less so nowadays because nothing is sacred. 549 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:58,760 Which of these is not a Hinduism? Shaivism, Vanashnavism, Shaktism or Zen? Zen? Yeah, Zen's 550 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,840 a kind of Buddhism, man. We know that because we watched ninja movies. I was in Japan for a bit. 551 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,480 They were very Buddhist over there. Very Zen. They were. That and Taoism, I believe, right? From Japan. 552 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,080 Couldn't tell you, mate. From honestly, I was literally, I was paid to drink when I was there. 553 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:18,200 So now you've got some clues in here. Okay. Who was the Hindu god associated with rain? Osiris. 554 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:29,320 Okay. Zoroaster. Yeah. Orion or Indra? B? Zoroastra. Sure. Do you not think they might be something to 555 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:36,280 do with Zoroastrianism? Oh yeah, they might be actually. Thankfully you didn't fall into my 556 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:46,200 trap there, Rob. Good answer to my question. D? I forgot the choices. Orion. No, it's not Orion. 557 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,360 I thought Orion was C. So you're going with Indra and you'd be correct. That one. Mate, a four out 558 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,720 of five. Well done, babe. I'm all right. You know what I mean? You are a theologian after all. I 559 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:02,200 think. I might be a disciple. I think you would have made it out of Mr. Reed's house. I doubt it. 560 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:08,520 I think he would have really found your points quite interesting and would have let you go. He'd 561 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,880 have been like, do you know what? I'm outclassed. Do you know what I reckon? I reckon you might be 562 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,120 right. I also reckon that the second he started talking about his shit, I wouldn't have been there 563 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,040 long enough for the deadbolt to lock. I'd have been like, fuck this, mate. I'm out. What are we 564 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,720 doing? Why am I here? I fucking walked it. I bite it. I've been caged on the way. Let me out. What 565 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:32,280 the fuck are we doing? I'm out. What are you going to rate heretic, Ben? Before you do, let me just 566 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:40,600 make the point. The final girl is not only hidden for the first half of the film, but really quite 567 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,960 an underrepresented type of final girl. Something we don't see very often. And the times we do 568 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,880 see it, they're some of your favourite films. The film is by your own definition, a perfect film. 569 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:59,240 It is. It's iteration of a story about iterations. It is. It's great. It triggered the Church of 570 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:06,120 Latter-day Saints into roundly condemning it as vocally as they could, while support groups 571 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,560 for post-LDS life said it was a refreshingly accurate insight into what leaving the church 572 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,920 or being a member of the church and the missionary can be like, provided that comfort and that we see 573 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:23,000 you to people who need that. And it's a sequel to Notting Hill. It is. So what are you rating 574 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:31,080 2024's heretic? Four. How dare you? No, I'm only joking. It's obviously a fat 10. What are we 575 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:37,080 talking about? Obviously a fat 10. Imagine after all of that, he was a four. You know what I mean? 576 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,400 I could have committed to the bit, but I got chewed up on socials. Discord would have swallowed me 577 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,240 whole. You know what I mean? Oh, don't threaten you with a good time. You know what I mean? What, 578 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,360 you think you can handle a baby button mushroom? Don't make me laugh. 579 00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:03,480 Like a four square Lego. What are you rating it? Now I'm torn. Natalie and Brulia. Because 580 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,560 it's all this, this film. Don't cause that'll be in my head for the rest of the month. 581 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:19,320 This is how I feel. I'm cold and I am shamed. Laying naked on the floor. 582 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,280 The lag makes this impossible. Yeah, it's awful. I can't wait to one day be in the same room. When 583 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,200 we do this, we can sing all we like. Can you imagine? I can't. It's going to be incredible. 584 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,360 That's going to be dangerous, but it's going to be a nightmare. So no, I'm torn. I'm torn. 585 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:41,960 Because this film is obviously a fat 10. It's a fat 10. It is. However, and don't get me wrong, 586 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,960 this is one of my all time, I'm making the case that this is the best horror film of 2024. However, 587 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:58,280 it's written and directed by a duo, Scott Beck and Brian Woods. Okay. And they owe me, 588 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:06,360 they owe me two and a half hours of my life back because the film that they did before this was 589 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:14,760 called 65. It was absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 590 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,560 The one that made dinosaurs in the future. Boring. That's not dinosaurs in the future. 591 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,200 It was the future came to the past. You can fuck right off trying to put a good spin on that film. 592 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,640 Don't know. Not in the future. Adam driver was in the past. It was a bag of shit. Yeah. I watched 593 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:35,880 that at the cinema, dude. They owe me money. I'm furious. And so I'm there going heretics, perfect 594 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,240 film, but I kind of, I just, you know, when you see like a new car, I want to key this car. Yeah. 595 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:47,560 And right. The only thing that stops me is that their film before 65, right. Was the first, 596 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:55,720 a quiet place. Okay. Hear me out. So it turns out that they can do horror incredibly well. 597 00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:05,960 They can't do it. Anything else. All right. So it's a 65, 65, you go quiet place, you go quiet place. 598 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,760 Then you go 65 and then people still let you make heretic, which is obviously going to piss off a 599 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:20,040 church. Right. A very large church. So they've, they've got a storied history. They did a quiet 600 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,840 place. Then they did a film called haunt, which I couldn't tell you anything about. Haunt's not bad. 601 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,680 It's not great, but it's not bad. And then they did a TV series, which is low rated on, on IMDB. 602 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,400 Okay. They did a screenplay for a film called the boogeyman. Oh, okay. Yeah. Boogie man. I've got the 603 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,080 poster for that. Okay. Nice. Yeah. It's pretty good. And then they did heretics. So this is, 604 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,680 this is, I would say this is their best film. Yeah. And a quiet place is just behind it. Yeah. 605 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,880 I'll agree. I actually, I actually preferred day one. I thought that was the best of a quiet place. 606 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,480 Are you trying to take, you are taking the piss though, right? Like that's, no, it's got, this is 607 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,600 you. It's got a cat in it, mate. The cat's stolen my heart. I can't judge that film objectively 608 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:04,600 because I love the cat too much. I love that cat. I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to 609 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:10,360 do this in a way that doesn't make me seem like a heretics fat 10. Excellent. And I love the cat 610 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,240 from a quiet place day one and 65 can get in the bin. Yeah. Okay. So I'll agree with all of that. 611 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:19,080 All of that. I'm in an agreement with guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Whoa, whoa, 612 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,680 whoa, whoa, whoa, what's up? Pump the brakes. What are we doing? We've got some news. What's the news? 613 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:34,280 Well, substance, our substance. Yeah. We're on exclusive episode, which is live on Patreon, 614 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,680 right now, right now, if you can hear this, there is an episode of us chatting about 615 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:47,800 Sophie Farge, Farge, Farge, the great new horror movie starring Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley 616 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:54,520 called the substance that we watched and we, we got deep into the guts of deep into the guts of 617 00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,040 over on Patreon. Yeah. It's over there right now. It's a Ben edit. So enjoy that one. It's going to 618 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:06,200 be exciting. Yeah, it's a Ben edit, but also what else is really exciting is we're going to make it 619 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:13,080 free for one week from today. So you're hearing this on, you're going to be hearing this on Monday, 620 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:19,800 right? So we're making it free from Monday. The, let me get the date right. Cause we're recording 621 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:27,960 well in advance on Monday, the 17th until Monday, the 24th of February, 2025. You can go to our 622 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:35,080 Patreon even as a free user and you get an extra episode, but you can only listen to it in that 623 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:40,520 one week. And then it goes straight back to being locked behind a paywall. And the reason we're 624 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,880 doing this is that we know some of you haven't pulled the trigger on Patreon yet. And we just 625 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,920 want you to reassure you that the episodes we put on there are some of our best work. 626 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,200 It's infuriating. It's actually infuriating. I love it. Like I love it more than anything because 627 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,720 uh, but obviously I've edited the substance. It is a great episode. There's a few episodes up. 628 00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:05,240 There's a few extra videos up there. We, there's just, there's just stuff and then stuff, even more 629 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:11,400 bonus content. Our good friends over at top eight media movies got into, asked us if we wanted to 630 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:22,520 come on their show. And we did. We glazed its tummy. It is, you can't do that sentence with the word 631 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:31,400 tummy in it. That's Elmo as fuck. That is Elmo as fuck. Ben, I'm sorry for saying tummy. Glazed 632 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:39,240 their tummy. Yeah. All my days. They asked us to come on their show and we did. And it was a great, 633 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:47,720 great time. It's outrageous. I've gone silly. Yeah, you've gone silly. That caught me off guard. 634 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:53,000 I'm famously impossible to offend. That was close. But just before we wrap up this show, 635 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,520 guys, if you've enjoyed the episode and you want to support the show, you can leave us a review and 636 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,240 tell a friend about us. It helps us more than you will ever know. It really does find us on socials, 637 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,800 comment. The thing that really helps is sharing our reels to your stories or that kind of stuff. 638 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,840 Please, please, please do that. But if you want more show, as we've discussed, there's more content 639 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,200 and an extra episode over on Patreon. You can support us there for as little as a pound a month. 640 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,680 It's a quid. It's literally a quid and you get access to everything. Quid. Thank you so much 641 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,240 hanging out with us, guys. It's been an absolute pleasure. We love and appreciate you more than 642 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:30,360 you will ever know. We really, really do join us next week when we figure out what's so hot right 643 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:37,000 now about Nosferatu. I love that you mentioned this. Someone's got to fan the flames because 644 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:44,280 it's not catching fire by itself, is it? This is literally flame retardant. Ben is now going to 645 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,360 thank you for spending... You can't call it that anymore. Okay, sorry. It's flame challenged. 646 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:58,280 Now, Ben is going to thank you for spending an hour of your week with us, especially at the start 647 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,920 of the week. We know a lot of you listen on Monday. So, Ben's going to wrap up the thoughts, 648 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:11,480 themes and feelings of this movie while I just do what I always do and tell you to... 649 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:18,600 Oh my God, that was outrageous. Well done, sir. Right. My weekly takeaway from this film, 650 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:25,160 I try and do something silly each week, but this one, it's okay if you're religious and you believe 651 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,960 and you have faith. That's completely fine. And it's okay if you don't. The only thing to be aware 652 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,480 of is just the creepy old bastards that have a vested interest in dividing and conquering 653 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:42,520 all of us for their own gain. You know what I mean? Also, maybe following a stranger into his 654 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:47,720 second basement was the point where we decided to sort of start looking at life choices. That's all 655 00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:51,800 I'm going to say. She was a lovely person. I'm glad that she survived possibly, but also, 656 00:54:51,800 --> 00:55:05,320 what are you doing?