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Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast.

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My name is Ben Groves.

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And my name is Rob Macfarlane and welcome to the show, a movie podcast where we ask the

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important questions like, Citizen Kane, is there any point discussing this movie anymore?

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We're gonna.

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This is the sensitive version of the show.

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Swear will be bleeped, but fear not dear listener, as always, the full uncensored version is

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available early on our Patreon for as little as one pound, buddy.

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Find the link next to wherever you clicked play.

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And here is go fuckity fuckity.

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Yeah, that's going to be a nightmare to censor in about an hour.

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You've just ruined your own day.

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Why did I just do that to myself?

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Ruin your own day.

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How are you doing buddy?

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I'm good man.

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I'm doing work and I'm remembering who I am again.

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I'm realizing that I'm not defined by what I do.

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And that I'm outside of the contract of switching hard labor for monetary gain.

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I'm actually a person.

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So to anyone who hasn't taken holiday, me do it because I'm me again.

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Yeah, just just you've got scheduled holiday.

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Take it and go.

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Oh, I'm a person.

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OK, it's the best.

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How about you, man?

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Fine, I guess.

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Heads in the bin.

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I'm not going to lie.

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It's all good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's one of these things where you look, you sort of start questioning your own existence

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and everything you stand for and everything you're doing and everything you've done.

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You know, I mean, you sort of like, uh huh.

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Am I really living or am I just ticking boxes at this point?

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What am I doing?

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I can tell you it's the latter, mate.

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Yeah, feeling that.

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Just one left to tick.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Honestly, don't.

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Best pick up line at the moment is, are you a toaster?

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Because I'm a little long bath would sort out a lot of my issues.

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Your Google history is just shotgun tastings.

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My area.

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Local poisons.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Local poisonous plants.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Artisan only.

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You can pretend that you were just bad at foraging.

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Exactly.

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That's it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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How to forage mushrooms and then just working backwards.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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What are we doing today, Ben?

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All right, buddy.

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So today we're doing Citizen Kane.

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It's a film that most movie fans hate for being called the greatest movie of all time.

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Yeah, that it is.

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And today we're going to knuckle down and decide whether 2025 is the year that we can

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officially leave this ancient relic in the past or whether it's still relevant to an

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understanding of the world that we live in today.

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There's a thousand and one things you've probably heard about this movie before, especially

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if you're a fan.

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So we're not going to repeat all that because you've heard it.

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And if you're not a fan, you wouldn't want to hear all that stuff either.

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But today we're bringing everyone together and asking the real question.

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Is a much point in chatting about Citizen Kane in 2025, is it still worth a watch?

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Because you know, yeah, this film is old, old, old.

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It was made in 1941, Ben.

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Yeah.

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And I've got a list of things that this film is older than.

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Go on.

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CPR.

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That's upsetting.

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Engagement rings.

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That's understandable.

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Transistors.

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Not quite sure what that is, but I'm here for it.

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The bit that were in radios in the fifties that made like cheap radios possible and computers.

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Mainly the radios.

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The Big Bang Theory.

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The TV show.

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And also the actual Big Bang Theory.

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Oh, okay.

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Ballpoint pens.

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Velcro.

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Oh, Godlike invention.

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The NHS.

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And slinkies.

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I can relate to that one.

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When Orson Welles was making this film, I want you to think when he went to write something

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down, he wasn't doing it with a ballpoint.

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What was he doing it with?

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Pencil, I imagine.

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Oh.

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Because you're not going to get a fountain pen out to make a quick note, are you?

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I don't know.

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Just napkin and a quill.

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When Kane marries Susan Alexander in this film.

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He's not giving her an engagement ring.

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What does he give her?

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Polio?

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I don't know.

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Piano lessons?

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I don't know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So for the benefit of those people that have got no plans on seeing this film, I imagine

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it's a fair bunch here.

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We're going to just quickly whip through the plot so you know what the hell we're talking

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about later in the episode.

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Consider this your spoiler warning.

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But Ben, you've picked me to the post this week.

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So we do this thing where we take it in turns writing breakdowns for each other.

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I've written a breakdown for you this week, buddy.

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Uh huh.

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Which is...

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I see that there's titles which I will take care to read.

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Thank you.

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Because I know you love a title.

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Thank you.

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It helps me break up my day.

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Helps me feel like a person.

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Yeah.

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Appreciate you.

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Love you.

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Yeah, man.

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Have fun with it.

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I've written it.

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I've really got into the character of Rob McFarlane and wrote it as you would see it.

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I see revenge for last week, isn't it?

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No.

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Right.

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Enjoy.

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And the real estate.

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We witness the dying moments of hero Charles Kane whispering his final words, Rosebud.

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But what does this mean?

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What is Rosebud?

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Who is Rosebud?

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And why do we care?

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As the film opens in the form of a news report covering the world's loss of a media mogul

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and a titan of industry, we see a gorgeous, if you know, slightly small for my conservative

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privately educated taste, estate.

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Not privately educated, it's fine.

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Complete with a personal zoo, which for my conservative privately educated taste had

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cages a bit too big.

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I mean, fair, you don't want to have in too much space.

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Don't want the animals getting the wrong idea.

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Wouldn't call them animals.

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The report covering Charles Kane's life summarizing everything from his rise to newspaper mogul,

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political ambitions and his eventual downfall.

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One journalist is tasked with investigating Charles's life to find out who Rosebud is,

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primarily to sell more papers.

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But the rise and fall of Charles Foster Kane.

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That's a new voice.

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Thank you.

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Told through a series of flashbacks, we witness a bank by a human child from the horrid mountain

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paws and whisk him off to a life of luxury and lavishness.

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We see Charles acquire a newspaper and his transformation into a powerful and influential

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public figure.

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Kane's early morality and desire to use his wealth to help people are left in the shadow

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of his growing ambition and arrogance.

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This is nicely done, Bert.

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Thank you.

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Now, after seeing him smash the back doors off of every business dealing he touches,

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brushing the newspaper business like it was made of paper.

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I mean, as a parallel there.

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We now see Kane's relationships and watch him crush some fine blue chip cabaret puss.

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Wow.

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That's a pretty strong take.

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I mean, I don't want many things in life, Ben.

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But some fine blue chip cabaret puss is up there.

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Bro, I saw the ankles.

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His first marriage ends because he was too busy chasing power.

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His second marriage deteriorates as he tries to take pity on a poor, always a mistake,

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and make her dreams of being a singer come true.

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But instead of being grateful for this opportunity, she just yells about doing jigsaw puzzles

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all the time.

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She does.

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To be honest, Ben, people like you, the uneducated unwashed masses, jigsaw is pretty impressive.

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Mate, they're odd.

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You know what I mean?

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Shut up.

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Just know you're lame.

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You know what I mean?

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As if that poor is going to be doing jigsaw.

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She's going to be fucking rolling around in her own shit, yelling stuff at the ceiling.

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Do you like the sun or Blu-ray?

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That's what she's going to be yelling at.

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I judge the value of my relationships in just straight number terms.

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And it's just the number of pieces of a jigsaw that they can complete.

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Six.

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That's where I'm at.

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Six and I'm out.

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You know what I mean?

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There we go.

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Kane's relentless drive and unfaltering ambition isolates him from his friends.

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He loses his political career and his personal happiness.

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He's plagued with the tragic irony of gain, immense wealth, be known by everybody and

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become profoundly lonely.

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I mean, I'm sure being a bit sad in your literal palace would help.

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I'd rather have one of my many servants clean up my sad boy depressive episode tissue farm

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than do it myself.

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Right?

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Okay, Ben, I thought just side note here.

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I thought we agreed to not mention the sad boy depressive episode tissue farm.

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I mean, someone's got to plow the fields.

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See which one of our floors is clean.

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I swept the field.

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You know what I mean?

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I plowed the field.

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You harvested.

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Yeah, I harvested recently, bud.

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Were they happy or sad tissues?

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I don't know.

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I don't remember.

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No one can remember.

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Right, part three.

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Rosebud.

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The journalists investigation turns up nothing, completely empty regarding the significance

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of Rosebud.

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A few theories are developed and people have their opinions as to what Rosebud could mean,

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but they're poor people.

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So their opinions mean less than nothing.

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Back to the factory, you actual trained chimp of a human.

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Make me my money.

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Ben, you really keyed into my incredibly liberal communist.

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That's the Rod MacFarlane I know.

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The fact that this is the Rod MacFarlane you know, makes me question if we're friends.

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The amount of times I've seen your eyes light up whilst reading the most horrendous put

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downs to pause is outrageous.

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Yeah, because it's my kink.

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I'm like, although you deny my right to the title, I grew up a poor and when I see a scathing

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put down, I'm like, oh, hurt me, mommy.

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Yeah, I know.

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I've heard, I've literally heard your semi knock the desk twice.

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You know what I mean?

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Kane's possessions at his moderate estate are being sorted for auction or burn.

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And we finally see Rosebud, his childhood sled from the day the bank bought him for

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50K.

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A brief insight of how this media mogul's final thoughts were of his lost childhood

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innocence before the corruption of money and wealth consumed him.

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Pussy.

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Pussy.

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Right.

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I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to say, Ben, I really wish I was you.

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So I wasn't able to read that.

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But unfortunately, try writing.

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I mean, dude, you're getting good with your letters.

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Thanks, man.

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They will work on your shapes and your animals and we might, we might have a whole human.

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One day I might have my own zoo and my own crazy mental jigsaw puzzle doing wife who's

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just screaming at me for no reason all the time.

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A man can dream.

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You know what I mean?

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Having read that, having read that, very kindly provided in inverted commas, my voice.

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I'm going to assume you're firmly in the I hate Citizen Kane camp.

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Not like tell me, tell me your thoughts on this movie.

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Set out your stall as to your initial argument.

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I don't hate this film.

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Strong start.

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I don't love this film.

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Oh, I can.

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I can appreciate what it does.

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Right.

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Because there are some elements in this film that blew me away and I was not expecting

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it from a 1941 movie.

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Right.

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From a 25, 26 year old director.

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I wasn't expecting it.

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The subject matter doesn't interest me at all.

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It's I didn't care about Kane or Rosebud or the investigation into this.

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It's kind of, it's the social network all over again.

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I can appreciate it.

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It's a fun two hours ish.

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The story is boring.

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Right.

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Okay.

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But the film itself as a film, very interesting.

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Okay.

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So I had to, I had to switch up how I was watching it almost immediately because I was

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like, I don't care about this.

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How about you?

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I, this is a film I admire much more than I enjoy.

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That surprises me because I think the social network comparison is really apt to the point

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where when Orson Welles was making this film, he kept repeating that it wasn't about W.

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Randolph Hearst in order to get the film made and seen because W. Randolph Hearst was the

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Mark Zuckerberg of his time.

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He's remembered as the irresponsible media tycoon of the sort of late 19th, early 20th

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centuries who set standards by which journalism ought not to be practiced.

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He was like sensationalism.

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I don't care if it's true.

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We're going to be first and it's going to shock people.

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Yeah.

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He built a huge empire owned like dozens of newspapers, magazines, radio stations.

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See if this begins to sound familiar, right?

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Okay.

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He was prioritizing sensationalism over factual reporting, owned Hearst Castle, a sprawling

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estate in California filled with art, exotic animals and luxury beyond comprehension.

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Sounds like Pablo Escobar.

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Had a well-known affair with an actress who struggled with her acting career partly due

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to his attempts to promote her beyond her talents.

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You're Pablo.

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Ran unsuccessfully for political office, also Pablo.

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Also Pablo.

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Including a failed bid for president and a term in Congress.

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Pablo.

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And in his later years faced financial difficulties becoming increasingly isolated relying on

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loans to keep his empire afloat.

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Pablo.

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It's Pablo or Citizen Kane.

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This is so clearly about that guy.

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In the same way that when social network was being made, they were like, look, this isn't

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necessarily a true account, but it's an account based on these court documents that are public

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information.

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Right.

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Okay.

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That makes sense.

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That sense of it being a takedown of a large owner or controller of information.

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This was the social network of the 1940s.

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Because you didn't have the internet.

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You had a man who would control every newspaper in your state.

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Yeah.

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Paper Facebook.

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Origami Facebook.

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Instead of sending pokes and stuff like that, he would just f*** the poor.

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Yeah, right.

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Exactly.

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Which he literally did with his actress misses.

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That kind of sense of like, oh, it's not about this guy.

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We've a hundred percent carried through and we're dealing with the same problems that they

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were a hundred years ago.

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W. Randolph Hearst, and I've got a thing on this later.

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W. Randolph Hearst is not a character who's gone away by any means.

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Okay.

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So there's a social relevance, but there's also a filmmaking relevance.

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There's so much that this film did.

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There is, man.

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This is, okay.

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So this is where I'm going to bring up my first point because I was not expecting this

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film to do what it does in the way that it does.

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The storytelling in this movie.

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I love 1940s films.

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I love 1950s films.

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A lot of them are sort of like goofy sci-fis and stuff like this, but I like the few dramas

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here and there.

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The thing that I like about 40s and 50s movies is the simplicity of it all.

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You don't have to understand which way the story is going to go because every story back

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then went A to B to C.

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Yeah.

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It's an autistic man's dream.

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It is.

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You just know exactly what to expect.

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It makes sense.

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It's like watching an episode of Friends for the ninth time, but you've never seen the

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film before.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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It's A to B to C. It's all very comfortable.

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It's all very easy to digest, I guess it would be.

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But also charming.

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Charming.

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Yeah.

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It's reminiscent of a simpler time.

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And then all of a sudden some 26 year old is like, yeah, but what about this?

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Have you ever thought about doing it, telling it through narration of an investigation,

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through flashbacks of unreliable narrators that we can only partially trust?

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Every time you get a retelling of this man's life, because the film is essentially four

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retellings of a man's life, you get a different version of who he is.

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Yeah.

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A thousand percent.

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Imagine you've got an investigative journalist who is hired by a newspaper owned by Kane

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to do Kane's obituary and is then tasked with going out and finding out what his last words

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meant.

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We have to trust that this employee is loyal to this corporation because we saw how we

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treated his businesses towards the end of the film.

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And that messed with me a little bit because I was like, okay, so the entire film now comes

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into question because it's through the retelling of an investigative journalist that worked

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for him.

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And this guy is clearly, very, very clearly a massive cockwamble.

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It's now hard to trust everything that I've seen and heard, which is great because it's

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just throws in the trust issues.

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It's almost like, and this is going to be like, it's a ball take.

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It's almost, it's almost Fincher in the way that we do the flashbacks, the reliable narration,

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the mystery, the investigation, that this whole insidious undertone that goes through

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this very sort of like, I don't need to buy an opera house, she's going to sink at the

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Met.

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And then immediately on screen is a sort of like opera house that he's built.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kane buys an opera house.

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So amazingly funny.

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I'm going to be honest with you and I would say that the nonlinear storytelling in this

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is almost proto Tarantino.

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People sit around and they stroke their chin, they go, ah, pulp fiction.

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And Tarantino, he was brilliant with a nonlinear narrative.

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This was the first one.

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You know everything that's going to happen in the film by two minutes in, because they

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start the film with a newsreel obituary for the life you're about to see.

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It's mad, isn't it?

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It is actually mad.

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So you know everything is going to...

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41.

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Right.

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41, he pioneers nonlinear storytelling and there is that sense of bunnies, there is that

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sense of can I trust this narrator?

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And the whole film centers around, you know, how can we get to know this person?

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Which as a statement to make when you're talking about somebody that you are actively taking

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down is really interesting.

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In the same way that the social network goes, we've got all of this material from people

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that are currently suing Mark Zuckerberg.

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So this is what they think of him.

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For 1941, when they don't have ballpoint pens yet, but they're doing subjective storytelling.

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Do you see what I'm saying?

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Come on.

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It's so...

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Come on.

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You've got to understand as well, right?

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But unfortunately this is now like it's a standard in modern storytelling.

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We are spoiled to a point where watching this film now in 2025 will hold all merit because...

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It's not tenet.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I'm saying like we are so spoiled for choice when it comes to great non-linear storytelling,

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unreliable narration, and it just leaves you with more questions than answers.

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I love that about films.

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But give it the context, right?

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This is black and white.

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Orson Welles' first feature.

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1941.

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People must have walked out of the theater and been like, my brain is changed.

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Memento.

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Remember the first time you watched Memento?

443
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Exactly.

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I was like, oh, films can be this way.

445
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Yeah.

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Hated it.

447
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Thought it was stupid.

448
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We watched it together in uni.

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Hated it.

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Not only was it a first in non-linear storytelling, I'm going to blow your mind on a couple of

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other things here, right?

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Go on.

453
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Yeah.

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Cinematography.

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So he hired a very, very talented cinematographer and basically let him run a hog wild with

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a load of money.

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There's a load of stuff in here that was never done before this movie.

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Having everything in the frame be in focus.

459
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Yes.

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It's called deep focus where you get to choose what you look at.

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Now not only is that an interesting technical cinematic first for me, it adds to the quality

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of what the movie is trying to say.

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By allowing you to choose where you're going to look in the frame, it's allowing you to

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choose what to focus on, much like the narrators are.

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It's not, you're not being told this is what to pay attention to.

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You're just going, here is the information.

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What will you choose to look at?

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Oh my God.

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Right?

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There is an incredible example of what you've just said and it's only just hit me when his

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second wife takes the medicine and they have to break into the room.

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Kane and Bernstein break into her bedroom.

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She's OD'd on something.

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Kane's like call for the doctor.

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Yep.

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That entire shot, right?

477
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I was like, something seems off because I couldn't tell which way she was facing.

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I didn't know whether it was the light or this and the other, but it's because there

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is a glass and a spoon.

480
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Yes there is.

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There is a very forefront of the shot that is very, very in focus, but the door is very,

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very in focus.

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You get a choice what to focus on, whether it's the substances that have obviously been

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misused, the OD'ing wife who is now horribly depressed trying to kill herself or the faux

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concern that Kane is showing with the genuine concern that Bernstein is showing sort of

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further separating Kane from humanity.

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They pioneered the use of an optical printer.

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This was the first time in cinema history where they would focus the frame and then

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they would mask out most of it.

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So for instance, in the bottom of the frame in the foreground, like you said, you've got

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the medicine, you've got the spoon and the needle and whatever, right?

492
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They focused on that and then they blacked out the rest of the frame and then they reshot

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the scene with the other bits in focus and that blacked out and printed two images to

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the same frame.

495
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This is exactly it.

496
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It's insane.

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They did all of this in a Velcro less world.

498
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Yeah.

499
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Do you know how much less time people had because they had to keep retying children's

500
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shoes?

501
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It was constant.

502
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Oh my God.

503
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Just grow up.

504
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Learn how to do it yourself.

505
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You know what I mean?

506
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Velcro fixed all of that.

507
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Learn like I did.

508
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Get some roller blades and then sit on your front garden until someone goes, that's not

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it.

510
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And then you keep going.

511
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You know what I mean?

512
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That's it.

513
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Grow up.

514
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The other, the last thing that they invented, ceilings made.

515
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Dude, don't do this because again, this is in my notes.

516
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,880
Dude, don't do this because again, this is in my notes.

517
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,040
Tell me what's interesting about the ceilings, Ben.

518
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:44,560
The fact that they have them is interesting for a start because I can't point out many

519
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080
early forties movies that have visible ceilings.

520
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,480
Like the set is an actual enclosed set.

521
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,680
I know a lot of it was built on stages.

522
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,080
They just didn't bother with the things.

523
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,360
Pretty much all on stages.

524
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,360
Yeah.

525
00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,640
But they had a set repertoire of shots that they would use.

526
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,880
And it was sort of like we dip into three.

527
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,360
It's long mid close.

528
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:05,360
Yeah.

529
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,360
Do we go from feet up?

530
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:07,360
No.

531
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,360
Are you fucking mental?

532
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:09,360
Being a director in the forties was easy.

533
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,720
That shot, then that shot, then that shot.

534
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,720
Easy.

535
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,720
Excellent.

536
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,720
Where's me money?

537
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,040
And also Wells was like, you lazy citizen Kane looking pricks.

538
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,480
Wait until I make your job harder.

539
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,480
You just wait until I make your job harder.

540
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,880
There's a couple of other examples that I just want to touch on real quick.

541
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,400
One that I thought was particularly Fincher-esque.

542
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,200
The first time that we visit the second wife's club.

543
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,200
Yes.

544
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,200
Susan Alexander's club.

545
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,640
She's down in Atlantic City drinking herself to death.

546
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,640
The journalist pops in.

547
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,080
She's like, you can fuck right off.

548
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,560
Before all of that, buddy, before he even gets there, we see the neon sign on the roof

549
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,200
and it's raining and the camera goes through the neon sign, which I thought was pretty

550
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800
impressive because it's on a dolly.

551
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,040
It's going through a tiny gap.

552
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,480
I know the size of cameras back then was enormous.

553
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,480
It's a fridge.

554
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,680
Either that sign was giant or some trickery afoot.

555
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,880
Some mischiefs.

556
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:13,520
It goes towards a window and then does a transition through the window using the rain and the

557
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,880
mist as the transition.

558
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,160
Because Orson Welles obviously went, look, I've just seen this movie called Panic Room.

559
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,160
It's coming out in 90 years.

560
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:28,200
Yeah, I was literally like, dude, Fincher had to be given like 60 million to play around

561
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,200
with this.

562
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,400
And Orson Welles was like, yeah, just hold on one second.

563
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800
Can we just go through the window and transition it out?

564
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,800
I'll just do an analog mate.

565
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,800
It's insane.

566
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:40,840
The simplicity of these tricks kind of underplays how clever they are.

567
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,840
In the same way that if you gave me like 70 ingredients and then go make a thing, I'll

568
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,840
be like, yeah, fine.

569
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:52,640
If you give me three, a lot of the ways that these effects were achieved, like the crane

570
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,640
shot through the Atlantic City neon sign or light bulbs, they didn't have neon.

571
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,640
It predates neon.

572
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,640
This is insane.

573
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,640
It predates an element.

574
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,640
Amazing.

575
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,640
Or the ceilings.

576
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840
Ceilings is a good example.

577
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,520
The reason they didn't show them before is because they would build a, they just build

578
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,840
the walls of a set.

579
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,840
Yeah, of course.

580
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,000
And then they'd have no ceiling and they'd have all the lights because old films are

581
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000
not that sensitive.

582
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320
Lenses were quite dark.

583
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,680
And so anytime you see a 1940s film, they are performing under lights as bright or brighter

584
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,680
than the sun.

585
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,680
It's just melting.

586
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,360
That's why they had to wear a lot of makeup.

587
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,840
And Orson Welles was like, well, I want the ceiling visible.

588
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,840
So they would dig holes in the floor to put the camera in so that they could shoot up

589
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,940
from like knee height.

590
00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:45,680
And then they just built fake ceilings out of thin fabric and just had all the mics in

591
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,680
there.

592
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,680
And you go, when, when, when you explain it, you're like, oh, that's easy.

593
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,680
Simple.

594
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,480
But you're like, yeah, but no one had done it before.

595
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,800
And the film had been around for 50 years.

596
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,920
We talking about, oh, it's simple.

597
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,940
Yeah, it's simple.

598
00:24:57,940 --> 00:24:59,240
And that's why it's brilliant.

599
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,240
It's incredible.

600
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040
Like the way that the way that he's done this, the way that he's just pulled stuff out of

601
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,440
thin air and gone, yeah, this will work.

602
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,600
And then they're still being utilized to this day is mental.

603
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,600
It's insane.

604
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,800
It's mental cinematic history.

605
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,800
Totally.

606
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,800
I get that.

607
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,040
That's all for me.

608
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,200
That's all putting it in the admire column, not in the love column.

609
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,200
Yes.

610
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,880
Like is it still worth watching?

611
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Is it still lovable because it was the first to do stuff?

612
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,940
Like you're not still with your first girlfriend, even though she was the first to do many things.

613
00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:36,240
You're not sat there being like, oh yeah, I should.

614
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,620
That's my favorite.

615
00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:38,920
That's the best one.

616
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Got you.

617
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,320
But cinema seems to go Citizen Kane.

618
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,320
That's the best one.

619
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,680
I got a lot of reasons for that, but I want to hear why you think that this...

620
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,920
I think there's a lot of merit held towards the first to cross the line for something

621
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,720
when it comes to like achieving something new.

622
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,720
Merit, yes.

623
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,920
A lot of merit that comes from achieving something new.

624
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:05,640
And if that achievement is achieved on a certain bit of land from a certain nationality of

625
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,360
it gets dined out on forever for about a thousand years.

626
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,360
Forget the genocides.

627
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,480
We made trains.

628
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,480
Go us.

629
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,480
You know what I mean?

630
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

631
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,480
That's the kind of thing.

632
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Yeah.

633
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,480
How did you get the resources to invent trains?

634
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Ignore that.

635
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Ignore that.

636
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Yeah.

637
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,480
I've looked at countless lists.

638
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,800
That was good.

639
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,360
I've looked at countless lists, right?

640
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,720
And I in prep for this episode, I was a little bit of a shithouse on Facebook and I joined

641
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,720
a group.

642
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,160
I joined a group called Film Buffs.

643
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,160
Okay.

644
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,080
I thought you could say area nation for a second there.

645
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,080
I was really worried.

646
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,080
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

647
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,080
Cool.

648
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,080
Film Buffs.

649
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,720
And I was like, I want to try and get like something going that's going to be quite fun

650
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,720
to be a part of.

651
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,480
And they so posted the thing.

652
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,720
We came up with the thing of Citizen Kane was never really that great.

653
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,720
Just posted that.

654
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Just see what happens.

655
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,720
For a cinephile group.

656
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Yeah.

657
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,040
They're all self-proclaimed film aficionados.

658
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,960
It's been said to me twice by two separate people on this post.

659
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,640
If you ever describe yourself using the word aficionado, know that you've gone wrong.

660
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,640
Yeah.

661
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,640
1000%.

662
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,640
1000%.

663
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,640
You've gone too far.

664
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,640
There's no saving you.

665
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,640
You need to give up.

666
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,640
Take a step back.

667
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,640
Pick a new hobby.

668
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,640
You don't know me like that.

669
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,640
All right.

670
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,640
But yeah.

671
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,000
So these movie aficionados, we've had like, there's been shed loads of people agreeing.

672
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000
There's been shed loads of people saying, well, the technical, the technical achievements

673
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,480
are an absolute marvel.

674
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,480
They are incredible.

675
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,480
I agree.

676
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,800
And that's what we've been talking about for the last half hour.

677
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320
This is exactly it.

678
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,720
And we can't debate that, but it is boring as fuck.

679
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,840
And I'm like, yes, buddy.

680
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,080
A few saying that, you know, it's actually topped the AFI's top list of all time.

681
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,480
How much do you enjoy it?

682
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,480
The AFI lover.

683
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,280
I'm asking you, not the AFI.

684
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,440
Do all movie aficionados get their opinions from the AFI?

685
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Yes.

686
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,440
Is the question I want to ask.

687
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Okay, cool.

688
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,440
Well, now let me know.

689
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,440
That's what the A stands for, Ben.

690
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,440
It's great.

691
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,440
It's the top of every list.

692
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,440
I think that and the other.

693
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,240
But I think the one thing that everyone is forgetting is, right, this is essentially

694
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:13,160
the story of a child who was bought, placed to work, right?

695
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,000
But signed his life away.

696
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Not him.

697
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,000
His parents signed him away.

698
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,000
He was bought, placed in an environment where he's just, he's there to work.

699
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480
He's essentially business property, right?

700
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,920
You have a huge amount of wealth through inheritance.

701
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:32,120
We've kidnapped you and raised you in our ways so that you can use that inheritance wisely

702
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,200
for our purposes because we are your bank.

703
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
We are in charge of your education.

704
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,960
We're in charge of your future career.

705
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:47,400
The idea to have one person purposely built to protect and unify our business endeavors.

706
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,400
100%.

707
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,080
Citizen Kane is RoboCop.

708
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,320
The four RoboCop is RoboCop.

709
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:01,120
You switch out the police force with the bank and now you've got a, we can build in bigger,

710
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,120
better, stronger.

711
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,920
But they're talking about a newspaper mogul rather than like a shooty shooty.

712
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:15,880
They're building the perfect investor rather than the perfect police officer.

713
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,080
They forget about the love angle, which is why he comes out a bit weird.

714
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,080
Yeah.

715
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,080
Okay.

716
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,080
It's kind of the same story.

717
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,080
You know what I mean?

718
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,080
They both die and they're both still forced to work.

719
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,080
Right.

720
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,800
I'm saying that being taken into the care of the ultra rich at a young age.

721
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,800
I love how you're phrasing this.

722
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,800
Bear with me.

723
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Bear with me.

724
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Let me cook.

725
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Let me cook.

726
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,800
No, no, no.

727
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,800
I got you.

728
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Being taken into the care of the ultra rich at a young age raised on a life of extreme

729
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:47,440
luxury and then given a trust fund of hundreds of thousands of pounds per month, right?

730
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Yeah.

731
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,640
Is equivalent to being pinned to the floor and having your limbs taken off by shotgun

732
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440
blasts.

733
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,800
Yeah, I can see that.

734
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,800
I can see that.

735
00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Not too dissimilar.

736
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,800
Yeah.

737
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,800
The parallels are scary.

738
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,800
This is what I'm saying.

739
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,800
RoboCop 1941.

740
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,800
Do you know what I mean?

741
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,800
Now look at here.

742
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,800
See, you've got 20 seconds to comply.

743
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:18,040
I love the idea that RoboCop 1921, because again, we don't have transistors yet.

744
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Just be covered in valves.

745
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,040
Yes.

746
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,040
Let it warm up for a little bit.

747
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,040
We'll blow valves.

748
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,040
Let it warm up for a bit.

749
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040
Like a 50s guitar amp.

750
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,040
Yes.

751
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,040
Oh no, it'd be the day the earth stood still, dude.

752
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,040
It's that guy.

753
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,040
The guy that comes down to earth.

754
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,040
That's incredible.

755
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040
Yeah.

756
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,040
Okay.

757
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,040
See, it works.

758
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,360
I've got a slightly closer parallel than RoboCop and I hear RoboCop.

759
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,320
I do, but I'm going to talk about some politics for a bit and I'm going to talk about them

760
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,320
non-judgmentally.

761
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,320
Okay.

762
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Yeah, I'm super into politics.

763
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Let's go.

764
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,120
I know you don't care.

765
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:56,240
There's currently a man who owns an information empire, who's been given an office in the

766
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:05,240
White House after buying a media organization or an information platform and wildly changing

767
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,240
its outlook.

768
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,800
Is this the one that carries sinks into new buildings and is like, just let that sink

769
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,800
in?

770
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Right.

771
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Is this the same guy?

772
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Is this Elon Musk?

773
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,800
This is Elon Musk.

774
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Yeah.

775
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Elon Musk carried a sink into the Twitter head offices and was like, just let that sink

776
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,680
in.

777
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Yeah, exactly.

778
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Exactly.

779
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,680
This is a man.

780
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,680
I've got some tweets.

781
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Hit me.

782
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,680
Hit me with it.

783
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Elon Musk.

784
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,200
I have a World War One trench knife embedded in my bedroom wall just in case.

785
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,680
1917 edition.

786
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,400
More useful than a gun in close quarters.

787
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,400
I don't think that's true.

788
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,400
I don't think that's true.

789
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,400
I don't think that's true.

790
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,400
No.

791
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,800
The guardian, inverted commas, is a nest of pedophile apologists.

792
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,800
Okay.

793
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,800
Right?

794
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,800
Nest.

795
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,800
It's a nest.

796
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,680
This is a man who bought a Path of Exile 2 account fully leveled up.

797
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Hold on.

798
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,680
No, no, no, no, no, no.

799
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,680
I just went online.

800
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,680
No, no, no.

801
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,680
This is the bit that I'm following about Elon Musk.

802
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,680
I'm deep in this rabbit hole.

803
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,680
I'm deep.

804
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,680
All right.

805
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,920
Him and Asmongold are going at it left, right and center.

806
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,080
I'm in it.

807
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,080
It's still going.

808
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:16,480
A popular right wing streamer has called him out for faking his online game streams.

809
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,480
He's the richest man in the world.

810
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Asmongold isn't right wing.

811
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,480
He's not right wing.

812
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,480
Oh, Ben.

813
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,480
He really is.

814
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,480
No.

815
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,480
Asmongold's like, he's...

816
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,480
Nah, stop it.

817
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,480
I knew you getting the internet was a mistake.

818
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Stop it.

819
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,480
I'm just going to...

820
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,480
Stop it.

821
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,480
Okay.

822
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,480
I'm going to complete my parallel.

823
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Do it.

824
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,480
Come on.

825
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Hit me with it.

826
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,480
They both come from privileged backgrounds.

827
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,480
They do.

828
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,480
Based on generational wealth.

829
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,480
Yeah.

830
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,840
They both use the media to influence public opinion, promote their own ventures, and use

831
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,920
their platforms for personal vendettas and sensationalism.

832
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Okay.

833
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,280
They both got insane, weird projects like, I'm going to build Xanadu, a private estate

834
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,320
with art and wealth and all this kind of stuff.

835
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,320
A million statues.

836
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,320
A million statues.

837
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Or, we're going to go to Mars.

838
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,680
We'll be there by 2025.

839
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,400
No we won't, musky boy.

840
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,040
All of it pointing to the fact that this is still happening.

841
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:16,200
The ultra rich buying our diet of information and using it to enrich themselves further

842
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,120
was happening then and it's still happening now.

843
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,120
That's f***ing depressing.

844
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,000
So I'm aware that you watch the movie and you're like, okay, yeah, it's technical this, it's

845
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240
technical that, it's technical the other.

846
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:34,080
As a letter, as a screaming warning from the past, this has never been more relevant.

847
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,680
There is an unelected man with an office in the White House.

848
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,720
He's only there because he owns a media empire and has money.

849
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,200
And he's now deciding policy for America and running campaigns trying to get labour out

850
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,200
in the UK.

851
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,120
Yeah, no, I see what you're saying.

852
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,120
I see what you're saying.

853
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,320
I feel like this isn't going to be the first example that we've had.

854
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:08,680
I feel like every iteration of most governments is going to follow similar suit.

855
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,000
Exactly, but I think that's the thing.

856
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,400
It's going to happen.

857
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,600
It's always happening.

858
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,000
We've got a particularly egregious example going on at the moment, but this is old, this

859
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560
is literally old news.

860
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,840
That's upsetting.

861
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,960
I'm glad that you've brought this up though because it's nice to have a balance between

862
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:33,680
very hard hit in real actual comparisons of RoboCop and Citizen Kane and then the light

863
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,680
hearted ones.

864
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Yeah, RoboCop is.

865
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Are you ready for me to sum up this film?

866
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,560
I'm ready for you to do what you think is the sum up of this film, yes, Ben, and then

867
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040
I'm going to surprise you.

868
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Okay.

869
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Finger up the bum.

870
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,040
You're ready for this.

871
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,480
So my grand takeaway from Citizen Kane, the Beatles.

872
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,000
The Beatles are massively important when it comes to the music publishing business side

873
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000
of things, right?

874
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Food webs.

875
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560
Birds wouldn't have a food source without them.

876
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,560
See what I mean?

877
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Idiot.

878
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Thousands of songs from the musicians that changed the world of music and art forever

879
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,080
for the better.

880
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,280
They fundamentally crafted stuff.

881
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,480
Vox invented distortion so that these guys could play Shea Stadium.

882
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,320
That shit is from the Beatles.

883
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,420
You're welcome.

884
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:20,600
Every single distortion user ever.

885
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Yeah.

886
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Okay.

887
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,600
All right.

888
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Yeah.

889
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,600
I mean, you pull a face.

890
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Nine Inch Nail used distortion.

891
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Yeah, yeah, they do.

892
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,600
You're welcome.

893
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,600
But it's fine.

894
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,240
Black musicians didn't do distortion with the blues.

895
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,440
Vox didn't make it.

896
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,440
Okay.

897
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Vox didn't make it.

898
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,440
So it's not.

899
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Yeah.

900
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Vox didn't make it.

901
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,440
Vox invented it for the Beatles at Shea Stadium.

902
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,800
In which case, Samsung invented the touchscreen with the A54.

903
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,800
No, it was the A21S.

904
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,800
Okay.

905
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,800
Yeah.

906
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,800
Yeah.

907
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,880
I mean, there were touchscreens before that, but it wasn't made by Samsung.

908
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,880
So what's the point?

909
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,880
Exactly.

910
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,400
Samsung invented the Samsung touchscreen.

911
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,400
Yeah.

912
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Vox invented the Vox distortion.

913
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,400
The Beatles are responsible for metal, I guess.

914
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,920
The Beatles are responsible for most music.

915
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,800
You can trace it back.

916
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,280
Their catalogue is so extensive.

917
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,160
You can trace most modern day music back to elements from the Beatles, from the early

918
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,160
musicians, right?

919
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160
Totally.

920
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,160
But f***ing hell, are they culturally exhausted?

921
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,800
Look, are they?

922
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,320
They are quoted everywhere.

923
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,560
They're covered everywhere.

924
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,280
They're reviewed left, right and center.

925
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200
It's a nightmare on the cultural side of things.

926
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Very, very important on the publishing side of things, because whoever owns the music

927
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,640
publishing stuff, controls quite a lot of money there, right?

928
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,400
I feel that Citizen Kane is much the same as this.

929
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,440
It's the Beatles of cinema.

930
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:38,320
So from a filmmaking perspective and for its contributions to the craft, Citizen Kane is

931
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,600
monumentally important.

932
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,840
Like monumentally so.

933
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Groundbreaking technique, game changing use of camera framing, camera angle, cinematography,

934
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,480
lighting.

935
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,040
They're pioneering storytelling and editing the way that they, like you said, the way

936
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,760
that they compound frames together.

937
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,760
It's ridiculous.

938
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Because of this influence over an entire industry, the techniques introduced in Kane, evident

939
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,680
in today's films, like eight decades later, they've all become so standard that they're

940
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,520
no longer hit the same as they once did.

941
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,500
We've been completely spoiled.

942
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:12,760
So an answer to our initial question, is Citizen Kane still relevant?

943
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,160
The answer is both yes and no.

944
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,040
Yes for all of the above, because everyone today, Fincher in Panic Room, has utilized

945
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,160
things to a better degree and to a more technically...

946
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,600
He's got the benefit of being 50 years later in time.

947
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,040
So you would hope.

948
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,620
You'd hope he'd turn it.

949
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:31,620
This is what I'm saying though.

950
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:38,720
But that idea is present in Citizen Kane in 1941, which is mental to me.

951
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,920
So what it is for cinema, absolutely yes, it is relevant.

952
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,920
It always will be.

953
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,160
We need to be grateful for it.

954
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,160
We need to be thankful.

955
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,960
The film that we watch today in some way has been touched by Citizen Kane.

956
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Square in the keynote, it's been a little tickle, a little fondle, a little whoop.

957
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,960
But for me personally, no.

958
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,160
It's not relevant at all.

959
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,320
It's the bank buying a human child and the struggles of the wealthy and the corruption

960
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,120
of power and old school morality.

961
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,120
So much more than that.

962
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,280
I can't relate to this.

963
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,520
I can't relate to it.

964
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,080
It's boring.

965
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,960
It's boring.

966
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,320
Where are the misunderstood monsters who just want to be loved?

967
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,280
Where are the weirdly full of red flags, final people that I inexplicably fall in love with

968
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,960
for no reason every single time?

969
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Where are the brains?

970
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Where's the IQ?

971
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,960
You know what I mean?

972
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:32,520
The thinly veiled in tiny red pasty brains.

973
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,520
You know what I mean?

974
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,340
There's no cleavage covered in brains.

975
00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:37,200
So what's there for you?

976
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,200
This is what I mean.

977
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,200
It's nowhere.

978
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,560
All of that stuff is nowhere.

979
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,560
What's even the point?

980
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,800
Am I going to watch this so I can go wank off some farts, sniffing Bellen beyond the

981
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,400
library in black and white?

982
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,400
No.

983
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,600
I don't want to do that, Rob.

984
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,200
But clearly you're about to tell me why you do.

985
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,200
Would you like to say something?

986
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,160
I'm going to tell you why this film is actually...

987
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,080
I'm surprised that this film didn't connect with you because this is a film that I think

988
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,920
speaks very deeply to the life that you've led and the life that I've led.

989
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,920
I'll agree.

990
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,800
I think it's a film that talks about you can struggle your way there and you can get it

991
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,480
and you can find yourself unhappier than you've ever been.

992
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,760
And the fallacy of legacy, how the joy in life is the process of working towards something

993
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,840
not in the having.

994
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,520
He starts at the top.

995
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:31,280
So he picks a small newspaper because he can enjoy building it up and the striving to have

996
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,240
that he enjoys the building.

997
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,200
Once he's built, he's unhappy.

998
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,760
And so then he picks an impossible mission, which is making his untalented mistress into

999
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,480
something respectable because he knows she'll never get there.

1000
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,360
But it allows him to engage in the chase of getting it, perpetually.

1001
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,080
That's why he's so angry with her when she says, I can't do this anymore because it's

1002
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080
me they're mocking.

1003
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,000
He's like, no, I need you to do this.

1004
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:05,120
I need you to keep engaging in this ridiculous mission because the trying is the game.

1005
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:11,480
And the fun is in getting the platinum trophy, not in the having of it.

1006
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,560
As a film about loss, as a film about thinking that you'd lost everything and then getting

1007
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,160
to a point where you go, oh, actually, now I don't have it.

1008
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,560
I realized that that was super important.

1009
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,880
I don't know what more we could relate to.

1010
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,320
It's not a film about a rich guy.

1011
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,140
It's a film about any guy uses a rich guy.

1012
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:37,000
Because if we start off with a poor fellow who's coming back and then he builds it all

1013
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,680
up and then he's unhappy, that doesn't tell the story of, as he says in his own words,

1014
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,000
if I hadn't been born rich, I might have had a chance at being a decent guy.

1015
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
A hundred percent.

1016
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,280
And I like all that stuff.

1017
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,760
It's not lost on me.

1018
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,100
It's a very sort of like, it's the very forefront of the film.

1019
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,100
It's good.

1020
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,280
The only thing that troubles me with it is...

1021
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,280
Great.

1022
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,520
So you can't relate because you're an inverse snob.

1023
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,000
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1024
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,280
I feel like...

1025
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,160
That's very funny, but no, that's not it.

1026
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Me and you have taken a lot of time out to work on accountability and I feel like that's

1027
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,800
the big thing here.

1028
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,440
He doesn't...

1029
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:25,600
He never once looks in the mirror and he never once has anyone that will say, every room

1030
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,640
that you walk in stinks of shit.

1031
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,920
You know what I mean?

1032
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,920
He does.

1033
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,160
He's friends with Leland and he pushes him away.

1034
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,160
Precisely for that reason.

1035
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,880
This is what I'm saying though.

1036
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,840
But look, okay, so for me, you were my Leland.

1037
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,600
You were like, you're a nightmare.

1038
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600
What are you doing?

1039
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,840
And rather than going, you're fired.

1040
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,080
I'll write a review for you that makes you seem like an absolute dickhead to one of your

1041
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:50,160
mates, which is just pure manipulation and just, again, denying any sort of accountability

1042
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,160
whatsoever.

1043
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,160
Yep.

1044
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,000
Instead of that, you've got me to a place where I have to sit and stare in the mirror

1045
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,840
and it makes me sad for a bit.

1046
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,840
It does.

1047
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,520
It makes me sad for a bit, but also it forces me to look at some of the really complicated

1048
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,040
things that have been going on in my brain and head and challenge why I think certain

1049
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,040
ways and why I do certain things and why I lived that life in the first place.

1050
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,360
Admittedly, Charles Kane was sort of bought.

1051
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,920
So he didn't really have a choice.

1052
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,920
He was bred for it.

1053
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,920
Yeah.

1054
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,400
He didn't have a choice about it, which again is upsetting, but the relatability of...

1055
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,400
You are right.

1056
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,400
It's a similar thing.

1057
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,320
The chase is always better than the actual getting, but it's the lack of accountability

1058
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:34,840
and the lack of self-awareness and the complete committal to self-worth being what you bring

1059
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,840
to the table.

1060
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:43,840
And even if you have like a 4,900 acre estate, which has been built, it's essentially a castle

1061
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,840
museum.

1062
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,840
It's a mausoleum.

1063
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,840
It's a tomb.

1064
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,840
Yeah.

1065
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Yeah.

1066
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,840
It's a tomb.

1067
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,840
So you've built this entire thing that has everything in the world in it.

1068
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,840
And you keep it in boxes in the basement.

1069
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,200
You'd still be horribly unhappy.

1070
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,700
Buying it brought you joy, but now you've got it.

1071
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:57,680
And that's the same with Susan Alexander.

1072
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,680
That's the same with everything.

1073
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:06,080
And as an analysis of the American dream and how hollow that is and going, okay, so you

1074
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,240
value materialism, you value the having of things, look where it gets you.

1075
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,680
It's still incredibly relevant.

1076
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Now here's where I might surprise you is that what's important for me about Citizen Kane

1077
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,200
could obviously...

1078
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,280
It could fill hours and hours and hours of podcast, but what I find most interesting

1079
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,480
about Citizen Kane is as a film, it's a champion against everything it is today.

1080
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,120
It hates what it is today.

1081
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Citizen Kane broke the mold of the existing film knowledge, of the existing canon, of

1082
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
the existing sort of top 10 list, right?

1083
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,100
It went, nah, call that.

1084
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:47,320
It said everything that we knew about filmmaking that came before was supposed to be forgotten.

1085
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,600
And it tells a two hour story about how trying to be the best, how trying to outlast history

1086
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
was a pointless exercise.

1087
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Citizen Kane, the film hates Citizen Kane, the historical document.

1088
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,600
It literally says no word can sum up a man or a film or anything.

1089
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,600
I love this.

1090
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Because you need a one hour podcast for that idiot.

1091
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,640
You wanker, Orson.

1092
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,640
Obviously.

1093
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,640
Absolute bellend.

1094
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,920
To sum up anything, it's a one hour podcast.

1095
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,300
That's why everyone's here.

1096
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:20,600
But if you take the polish off this film, you take it off that pedestal, it's still a great

1097
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,880
movie about capitalism, about loss, about hubris, about all those sorts of things.

1098
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,460
And it's only a boring movie.

1099
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:32,400
And it's only a dull movie.

1100
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,580
And it's only a pretentious movie.

1101
00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:36,960
If you watch it while it's up on that pedestal.

1102
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,440
If you sit down and go, oh, this is the greatest film ever made, is it?

1103
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,920
Come on then.

1104
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,240
100%.

1105
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:49,680
If you watch it the same way you would watch any other 1941 film, it's the greatest film

1106
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,680
of all time.

1107
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,440
It's the greatest 1941 film of all time.

1108
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,440
100% that.

1109
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Yeah.

1110
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,160
The film is literally saying this legacy nonsense is only going to get you killed and it's only

1111
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,480
going to suck the joy out of something.

1112
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,000
And so if you approach this film without that legacy, it's a gem.

1113
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,880
It's a gem that's still just as enjoyable today.

1114
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,480
But if you watch it because of its importance, you're not going to have a good time.

1115
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,480
I love that.

1116
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,040
I'll agree wholeheartedly.

1117
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,280
I think the research into this film has sort of...

1118
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,280
Killed it.

1119
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,760
... dampened it a bit for me.

1120
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,840
And the reverence for it as well.

1121
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,840
It's a film.

1122
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,560
It's a 1941 film.

1123
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,640
What do you expect?

1124
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,200
I thought I was going to get some fun out of this sort of like weird Facebook group,

1125
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,200
but no.

1126
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Right.

1127
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,680
It just fed into every stereotype that I held.

1128
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,960
And I was like, this is why I hate this.

1129
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,700
People who enjoy being part of the club and going, stroking their chins and going, here's

1130
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:48,280
why it's the greatest.

1131
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,280
But do you enjoy it as a film?

1132
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,960
And I think if you approach it as this titan, then no.

1133
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,640
A little bit like if you walk in the room and you go, oh my God, that's Charles Foster

1134
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Kane.

1135
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,280
You're not going to end up being mates.

1136
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,720
If you walk up to him and go, all right, dickhead.

1137
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:04,720
Yeah.

1138
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:05,720
Keep going.

1139
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,720
Yeah.

1140
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,720
Treat him like a person.

1141
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:08,720
Do you want to play a game?

1142
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:09,720
I'd love to.

1143
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:10,720
Right.

1144
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:11,720
This is...

1145
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:12,720
I've not done this before.

1146
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,360
I quite liked last week where you just went in blind.

1147
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,600
So I've got a quiz for you, Ben.

1148
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:23,800
And this might shake the very core of your little chip on your shoulder, proud to be

1149
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,800
a poor lifestyle.

1150
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Chip on my shoulder.

1151
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Chip on your shoulder.

1152
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,800
Yeah.

1153
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,800
Monkey on your back.

1154
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,800
I got you.

1155
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,800
This is a quiz.

1156
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,400
Are you a budding billionaire?

1157
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,400
Sorry.

1158
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Are you a rose budding billionaire?

1159
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
That just...

1160
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Okay.

1161
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000
That doesn't work, but it occurred.

1162
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
It's fine.

1163
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
So a question for you.

1164
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,520
Are you a natural dreamer or someone who focuses on subtle details?

1165
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Oh God.

1166
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,000
I can answer this for you, Ben.

1167
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
You're a dreamer.

1168
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,600
You have a million ideas a week and execute half of them.

1169
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,600
Yeah.

1170
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,800
I execute 500,000 ideas a week.

1171
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,640
No, no, no, no, no.

1172
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,360
You instantiate 500,000 ideas a week.

1173
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,360
Execute.

1174
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,360
No, no, no.

1175
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,360
It's on record.

1176
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,360
It's fine.

1177
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,360
I have a million ideas, execute half of them.

1178
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,360
Thank you.

1179
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,360
Appreciate it.

1180
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,360
Do you get a buzz?

1181
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,360
What was the question?

1182
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,200
Are you a dreamer or do you focus on more subtle details?

1183
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,200
Ah, dreamer.

1184
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,200
Dreamer.

1185
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,880
Do you get a buzz from taking risks or do you prefer to plan meticulously?

1186
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,880
I mean, come on, dude.

1187
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,320
Okay, hold on.

1188
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,720
So this is a difficult one because I will jump at anything all the time.

1189
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:24,720
Yep.

1190
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:29,680
But if I like something, then I have to plan out to the second exactly what it is doing

1191
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,680
and when it's doing.

1192
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Yeah.

1193
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Yeah.

1194
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,200
So a little column A, little column B. I'm going to go risk it.

1195
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,440
I'm going to exactly risk it with risk taker because that is the truth.

1196
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Yeah.

1197
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,760
Do you see yourself as a natural boss type or someone who is happy doing the basics all

1198
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,760
rounder?

1199
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,200
No, I don't like doing it all rounder.

1200
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,400
You're a big boss, big boss man.

1201
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,920
No, neither of those to be honest.

1202
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,240
You're asking me if you want sauce, if I want sauce salad.

1203
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,280
I guess it go all rounder.

1204
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,680
I'm, I don't like either of those.

1205
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,160
I don't like being the idea of being big boss, but I also don't like the one to be so like,

1206
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,160
yeah, I'll just take it as it goes.

1207
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,480
Such a sigma, such sigma energy, bro.

1208
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Do you have an innate sense of what people in general respond to or do you have more

1209
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,960
of a feeling for what the rich prefer?

1210
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,960
Are you common touch?

1211
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,240
You're a money magnet.

1212
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:17,240
Obvious money magnet.

1213
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:20,240
No, no, I'm not putting money magnet.

1214
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,760
Common touch.

1215
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,520
I'm a money repellent.

1216
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:31,400
I often wonder if like you've actually got magnetic properties and it just happens to

1217
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,880
be the exact same magnetic properties money has.

1218
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,400
I've seen it move away from you on a table.

1219
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1220
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,360
Yeah.

1221
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,240
I've actively chased a fiver down the street before.

1222
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,240
You know what I mean?

1223
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,240
Who wouldn't?

1224
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,120
How conscious are you of your limitations?

1225
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,280
Do you take advice from others?

1226
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,280
Yes.

1227
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,000
No, the answers are what limitations question mark or advice take?

1228
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Oh, advice taker.

1229
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,160
I'm very aware of my limitations.

1230
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,160
Are you joking?

1231
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,160
Ben, how's the gym?

1232
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,160
It's good.

1233
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Oh, it's fine.

1234
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,800
My right side of my chest.

1235
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,800
Why is that?

1236
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,400
Is that because the doctor said that you couldn't go to the gym anymore and then you went to

1237
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,400
the gym?

1238
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,400
No, it's because the doctor said I can start going to the gym slowly.

1239
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:18,280
So then when I slowly went to the gym, technically the same, my right lungs is now on the fritz.

1240
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Went to the doctor's real quick on that one though, didn't you?

1241
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,400
I've got an appointment with a specialist.

1242
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,400
If I go to the doctor's they're going to go, oh, we're going to book you.

1243
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Or are you somebody who doesn't know their limitations?

1244
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,280
Because if I go to the f***ing doctor's now, they're going to be like, yeah, let's get

1245
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,000
you an appointment with a specialist.

1246
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Next time he's in, 19th.

1247
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000
Oh look, you've already got me.

1248
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
I'm not talking about now, Ben.

1249
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,920
I'm talking about the six months of the last year.

1250
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,800
Oh yeah, no, I ignored all that.

1251
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,800
That's because I was scared.

1252
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,480
And I mean, that wasn't because I needed advice.

1253
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,760
That was more, I was a little bit, little bit of a fright.

1254
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,760
How do you relax?

1255
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:54,640
Are you a connoisseur of the arts or do you prefer to just focus on your business?

1256
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,200
I guess they kind of go hand in hand with the podcast.

1257
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,160
Do you make time for your interests or does your business need you?

1258
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,400
I make time for interests.

1259
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,400
Right, last one.

1260
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,800
So you've made your billions.

1261
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,800
Congratulations.

1262
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,280
What do you do with them?

1263
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,880
And the answers are do with them.

1264
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,480
My business is still growing or now I can do something to help others with all that

1265
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,480
wealth.

1266
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,480
Probably be.

1267
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,480
Yeah, come on, man.

1268
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,480
I wouldn't keep it for a second.

1269
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,280
Ben, you're a budding billionaire, mate.

1270
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,800
Bill Gates would be proud of you.

1271
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,720
You have a natural business acumen with the vision to develop ideas and opportunities

1272
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,880
that no one else sees, yet you still have the common touch to actually understand what

1273
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,960
the rest of us want and need.

1274
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,560
You do all this with a charm and humour that people warm to and identify with and your

1275
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,640
charitable ideas could transform the lives of millions.

1276
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Just a shame that all of that loveliness is wrapped in just a big old bundle of dick edit.

1277
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,660
It's just all wrapped in the man I love the most who is also by a wide margin the least

1278
00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:03,620
reliable man I know.

1279
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:04,620
Comment corner.

1280
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:05,620
Yeah, hit me with it.

1281
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:06,620
So I got a couple.

1282
00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:08,240
I got a couple for you today.

1283
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,400
We had some lovely people get in touch.

1284
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,880
And trust me, I am as surprised as anyone when I say this about the movie in Seminoid.

1285
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,880
Okay.

1286
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Oh, okay.

1287
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,560
So we had Lisa Schlesinger.

1288
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,560
Schlesinger?

1289
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,560
Smashed it.

1290
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,400
But she got in touch and she was like, okay, my dad made this film.

1291
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,400
Amazing.

1292
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,600
She said, look, in Seminoid wasn't that bad.

1293
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,320
My dad, Peter Schlesinger was the producer.

1294
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,800
And I said it wasn't.

1295
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,520
It suffered from us covering it as part of our Alien series.

1296
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,100
And the comparison isn't really that fair.

1297
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:48,720
But as a piece of British filmmaking, it did really well at the time.

1298
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,520
It's just not aged brilliantly.

1299
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,960
I'll disagree wholeheartedly.

1300
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,200
Well, you say that.

1301
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,040
But Lisa says, I'm only joking.

1302
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,480
It really was terrible.

1303
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,320
That's amazing.

1304
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:08,360
And Candy, her sister, got in touch on a separate in Seminoid reel and said, oh, you know, my

1305
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,360
dad made this.

1306
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,360
And you replied to that one.

1307
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,360
I did.

1308
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,360
I remember this one.

1309
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,760
You said, please pass on my thanks.

1310
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,320
I've shown this film to so many people.

1311
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,320
Incredible B-movie.

1312
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,320
True.

1313
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,320
All true facts.

1314
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:25,760
I've never seen more comments more accurately sort of depict the difference.

1315
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,640
Imagine if they don't know that two people run that account and they just sort of like,

1316
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,640
this guy's a schizophrenic.

1317
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,200
No, he's an absolute, absolute sycophant.

1318
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,320
Just whatever we say, he's like, yeah, I agree.

1319
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,320
I agree.

1320
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,320
Yeah, that's it.

1321
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,320
Yeah.

1322
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,320
But Candy got in touch and said, that's so nice to hear.

1323
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,320
He would have loved to hear this.

1324
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,320
He passed recently.

1325
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,320
So condolences to them.

1326
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,920
Oh, I haven't read that.

1327
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,480
And congratulations on being part of the, the in Seminoid family.

1328
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,840
That's a horrible phrase, isn't it?

1329
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:51,840
The inseminoid family.

1330
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,960
I've started using inseminoid as like a way instead of inducted.

1331
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Oh, okay.

1332
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,240
I'm glad you using it instead of inducted rather than lovemaking.

1333
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,520
Hey, do you want to come back to my house and get inseminoid?

1334
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,280
And a completely unrelated note.

1335
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,920
Candy is now referred to as implementing.

1336
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,920
Nice.

1337
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,080
And then, and then we had a listener called Libby get in touch asking if we ever watched

1338
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,280
B horror movies.

1339
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,440
So I was like, I'm going to be honest with you.

1340
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,600
Part of this podcast, there's a guy who's really good with those and it's not me.

1341
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,600
It's not me.

1342
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,600
I am.

1343
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:26,600
I am.

1344
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,600
They wanted to know what you thought about zombievers.

1345
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,600
Zombievers.

1346
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,600
Okay.

1347
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,080
Zombievers is, is terrible, but amazing.

1348
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,080
Right.

1349
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Okay.

1350
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,080
They agree.

1351
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,080
I've got the DVD here.

1352
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Look.

1353
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Oh, you literally showing the DVD on an audio podcast.

1354
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,080
Brilliant.

1355
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Enjoy it.

1356
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,080
They also watched Arena Wars last night.

1357
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,440
NAF, but watchable, they said.

1358
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,440
I've not seen Arena Wars.

1359
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,560
So they say think running man meets battle Royale.

1360
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,560
All right.

1361
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:51,560
That's on the list.

1362
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,560
That's on the list.

1363
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,560
That's on the list.

1364
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,560
From Tmoo as well.

1365
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,560
So nice.

1366
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,560
Right.

1367
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,560
Nice.

1368
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,520
And then the last one was Rippy the Red.

1369
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,280
So Rippy, Rippy is the killer kangaroo, right?

1370
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,280
The Aussie outback troll.

1371
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,280
You're going to have to tell me, bud.

1372
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,040
I'm, I'm, I'm too busy watching Keno and stroke him a bit, stroke him a bit.

1373
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,040
You literally, yeah.

1374
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,720
You'd suck in black and white people off behind the library.

1375
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:17,720
I don't see color mate.

1376
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:18,720
I know.

1377
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:19,720
That's what I mean.

1378
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:20,720
1940s vision.

1379
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:21,720
Right.

1380
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:22,720
Exactly.

1381
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:23,720
Black and white.

1382
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:24,720
Black and white for you.

1383
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:25,720
Oh, I see what I've done.

1384
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:26,720
Hold on.

1385
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:27,720
Yeah.

1386
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:28,720
I see what I've done.

1387
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:29,720
No, no, no.

1388
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:30,720
You're sucking people off in black and white.

1389
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:31,720
There we go.

1390
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:32,720
There you go.

1391
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:33,720
That's what I meant.

1392
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:34,720
There it is.

1393
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:35,720
Beautiful.

1394
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,720
Reframe it.

1395
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:37,720
You know what I mean?

1396
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:38,720
Now the spoons in focus.

1397
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:40,840
That sadly is all the time we have.

1398
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,840
Running out guys.

1399
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,240
Thank you so much for hanging out with us.

1400
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,720
It's been an absolute pleasure.

1401
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,400
You have no idea how much this means to us.

1402
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,240
Just before we wrap up the show, if you have enjoyed this episode and you want to support

1403
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the show, can you please leave us a review wherever you're listening to this, tell a

1404
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:58,880
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1405
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,600
It really does help us more than you know.

1406
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,920
Find us on socials, likes and comments and all that sort of stuff.

1407
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,120
Shares to your stories are, I cannot tell you how incredibly powerful one of you lot

1408
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,440
sharing something to your story and liking it or commenting it is.

1409
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:21,240
And also if you want more show and more content and an extra episode every month, support

1410
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:22,240
us over on Patreon.

1411
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,240
It's a pound.

1412
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,240
It's a pound a month.

1413
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,400
You know, it's one pound a month.

1414
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,200
It's just so that we can talk to you honestly and openly and go, oh, we're friends here.

1415
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Let's bring out the bad jokes.

1416
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,720
Plus you get some extra fun shit.

1417
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:34,720
You know what I mean?

1418
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,720
Thank you so much for hanging out with us.

1419
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:37,720
It's been an absolute pleasure.

1420
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:41,720
We love and appreciate each and every one of you more than you will ever know.

1421
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:42,720
We really, really do.

1422
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,160
And to thank you for spending an hour of your week with us, especially at the start of the

1423
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,160
week.

1424
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,160
We know a lot of you listen on a Monday.

1425
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,440
Ben is now going to wrap up the thoughts, themes and feelings of this greatest movie

1426
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,880
of all time into a little Monday motivational pep talk.

1427
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,960
While I just tell you to consume.

1428
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,440
Go watch The Beatles of cinema.

1429
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,440
You know what I mean?

1430
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,120
The Beatles big important with the publishing side of things and it's like whoever owns

1431
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:13,920
the publishing rights of the Beatles might may or may not have been killed because he

1432
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,480
may or may not have owned the Beatles.

1433
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,880
You know, there's a whole conspiracy theory there.

1434
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,480
If you want to get into it, Michael Jackson owned them, by the way.

1435
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,960
You know, I mean, he's dead now.

1436
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:21,960
Coincidence?

1437
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,960
I don't think so.

1438
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,320
Citizen Kane's dead now.

1439
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,320
You know what I mean?

1440
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,120
Charles Foster bit the bankers ledge, didn't he?

1441
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,120
He's gone now.

1442
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:34,840
I think the main takeaway from this is is blue chip cabaret push really is worth the

1443
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,840
chase.

1444
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,480
Do you like fantasy?

1445
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Independent artists, dragons, Dungeons and Dragons.

1446
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Of course you do.

1447
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Massive nerd.

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And so you should because so do I.

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