Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast. My name is Ben Groves.
And my name is Rob Macfarlane. Welcome to the show, a movie podcast where we ask the important
questions like, was Ben Affleck better off chasing Amy than being her husband?
Ooh, that's a good question. That is a good question. But I'm going to prove in this episode,
that Amy Dunn is not even the biggest psychopath in this film.
Oh, are you now? Cause I think I'm going to fight you tooth and nail the whole damn way on that one.
Okay, let's get going. Let's get going. How are you doing?
I'm good. I'm good. Just to let people know, this is the censored version of the show.
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It's a pound a month.
It's a pound a month. It's a pound a month. But to answer your question, bud, I'm good.
I've got beans. I've got legs, you know, I'm excited to hit the new year running. I feel
like we've been away. We've had a little recharge and I'm ready to attack 2025, man. It's going
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I'm ready for it. I'm ready for something. Ready for something.
You got no beans.
I got a bean. There's one bean in there somewhere. I don't know. I'll strangle it. You know what
I mean? Squeeze the juice.
I always knew you were a bean strangler.
All right. Today we're doing Gone Girl. David Fincher's romance for the ages. Classic rom
com starring Ben Affleck and Rosa Munn Pike. This movie is one of my all time favorite
Fincher movies. I'd say all time favorite movies, not just a Fincher movie. It's one
of my all time favorite movies. God damn. I can't wait to get into it. It's one of these
ones that's ruined me on levels.
Good to know. And that really brightens my day. So I just, I'm going to repeat you. I'm
going to say today we've got one question and you know, some stuff is going to get folded
into this. I've got evidence. You've got evidence.
What are the thoughts?
Your theory is that Amy Dunn is not the biggest psychopath in this movie.
No, I think she is one psychopath in this movie, but I think there's an argument for
there being an even bigger psychopath in this film.
So when did David Fincher make this movie buddy? And how much was he given to make it?
2014 mate. Scotland decides to stay as part of the UK. Gangnam style is invading the airwaves.
Was that 2014? Flight MH370 is falling out of them. David Fincher is given $61 million
to make Gone Girl. $61 million for this film. Fair. Fair play.
Now look, I thought I'd be a mate. I know you've got one bean. I thought I'd save you
a bit of work then. So I've written the whole breakdown for you bud.
I've printed it out on yellow. And I think it accurately reflects how you feel about
this movie, about life. It's just done for you mate. You're going to do the whole thing
because I'm a mate and I've written it for you. And I think that there's not a controversial
line in this.
Okay. So Gone Girl by Ben Groves, age 36. Nick and Amy Dunn seem to have the perfect
marriage. He plays video games and spends her money while she pesters him and tells
him off. Couple goals. Every year on their anniversary, Amy stages an elaborate treasure
hunt, a delightful game, which she can use as a stick to beat Nick for not remembering
tiny details about their courtship. Feels familiar already. On their fifth anniversary,
disaster strikes and Nick's mother nurse is kidnapped. Mother nurse? Oh Amy.
I mean, it's your words mate. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nick's
mother nurse is kidnapped, leading the media to claim he might be responsible for not only
her murder, but much worse, responsible for doing his own dishes. Can you imagine Ben?
Outrage. Outrage. Outrage. Amy's side of the story is told through flashbacks as she writes
in her diary, documenting all of her dull little woman complaints like, oh, that's rough
Ben. He might kill me. And now the police are almost sure it's him. It's a bit rough
mate. Okay. But in a shock twist that will surprise no one, Nick didn't break the dishwasher.
What? It's your words mate. Instead being the innocent victim, a manipulative lying,
arrogant woman, a tale as old as time. She staged the whole thing to make herself look
like a victim. She is in fact a psycho bitch. Like all the women in my life have proved
themselves to be even the boardroom gaming cafe ladies. Jesus Christ. Nick uses the previously
hostile media to appeal to Amy's narcissism, a tactic that works surprisingly well. Honestly,
give him a complaint and then the palm of your hand on hearing on on hearing how sorry
Nick is. Amy does a quick murder and stages it as a heroic escape. Return to the house
where they can stay toxically bound by lies, manipulation and a mutual need to maintain
the public image. Couple goals. It warms my heart to see so many of my own romances.
Yeah. Okay. All right. That was, that was brilliant. So Ben, you clearly hate that was
brilliant. You clearly hate women. We've established that because, because you know, well clearly,
yeah, all factual stuff that I wrote for you to say. But I have, I have a question. I have
a question about that and it's, it's, it's a real question. Do you love this film because
Amy Dunn confirms all of your long held beliefs that bitches be great. Is it a misogyny angle
in this movie? Is it a bad, do you feel it's a bad thing that a woman is given so large
and prominent a role as a villain? Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for that. What was the question? I
was too busy mentally defending myself and being like, no, hold it in. The question is,
is this misogynist or feminist? Yes. Okay. Um, yes. Well, I find it interesting because
you're going to claim that Amy Dunn is not the biggest psychopath, right? And I feel
like she's a famous female villain. I think she's up there. She's really like quite iconic
in terms of the depths that she's willing to go to. She is and she isn't. She does a
lot for feminism to an extent, but she also does a lot for misogyny to a very different
extent. She's, she's very, very openly displaying psychopathic tendencies. She's also acting
insane to a level that is terrifying for anyone involved. Absolutely. And the only thing that
bothers me about this whole film is that if you, if you swap out, let's use Nick Dunn
as an audience surrogate for me or you, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you acting in
any way, shape or form as cool, calm and collected as Nick Dunn, or are you in fact sitting there
being sort of like, Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. I've got a point. I've got a point
about Nick in that I think of all the carrot and the reason I've asked you a trap question,
I have an answer already in that I do think, uh, Amy Dunn is incredibly feminist or I think,
I think this film is incredibly feminist because although she is a villain, she is the main
character of this film. She is as a character, she's complete and she's fully realized she
has her own goals. She is driving the plot forward. Uh, Nick is kind of the prize to
be one and she's the competitor in a way it's Amy's story. And I don't think Nick is necessarily
as complete a character. I think Nick is what he is because the story needs him to be. That's
interesting. And I think, I think a lot of what, a lot of the way Nick is, is not necessarily
true to life or representative of Nick as a man, but is more useful for painting the
metaphor for a toxic relationship that Gillian Flynn, the writer wants to paint. Okay. I
do agree with you. I do agree with you. I think the film is feminist. I think it's feminist
for a slightly different reason. I think all of what you've just said is absolutely correct.
It does, that does feed into the feminist side of the thing, but the thing that sells
this movie as, as like true, you know, female hero type movie is the detective, the hero
of the story. The one person that does her job exactly correctly. She does it brilliantly.
She's not swayed by anyone or anything, including the media, including Amy's bullshit, including
everything. Including her own colleague who's like, this guy did it. Exactly. She's swayed
by nothing. Her own agency to such a degree that she's not friends with Nick, but she
gets on with him for as long as she needs to. She's professional about it. And then the
second that she's like, I think he might've done this, no longer, no longer all buddy
buddy. Yeah. She, she provides an excellent counterpoint to the insanity of Amy. Like
Amy is an out and out. And I think that's another point that it's not mine, but the
idea that if we're going to have women in cinema, I know you think it's a terrible idea.
You'd rather they, they weren't, but if we are going to have women in cinema, that they
have a full range of roles, you know, they're not just limited to damsels in distress or
sexy femme fatales. It's like, no, some of them are going to be incredibly effective
villains. Yeah. I think she's objectively a murdering sociopathic. Who, who else, who
else are you going to frame? I know who it is. Just, just tell the audience who you're
going to put in the frame for being a bigger psychopath than Amy Dunn and why. Nick Dunn.
Nick Dunn is the biggest psychopath in this film. Okay. By a long margin. Right. A wide
margin. So to come back to your question, no, I wouldn't behave like Nick. I wouldn't.
Okay. There is some troubling stuff there. Yeah. It's, it's interesting that you, who
I would deem as a sort of, you know, high functioning, relatively normal member of society.
Oh God. With no psychopathic tendencies. Okay. I had to check that I wasn't psychopathic
after this film because after the third or fourth watch, I was like, you know, it's got
me a bit nervous. Like there might be some creeping things. How come? Just because of
the similarities that have happened, not in the plot line, but more in like, I've never
been more attracted to a woman in my entire life than after Amy Dunn returns. Oh wow.
And it only got worse after each subsequent viewing. It didn't get, it didn't get less.
It got the attraction group. It explains so much Ben. Yeah, it does. It explains so much
about your history. So I had to do a psychopath test mate because I was, I was nervous. Right.
Okay. So I read, I read the John Ronson book, psychopath test. Brilliant. Yeah. Great book.
I say I read the book. I read up to the point in the book where he says, some of you reading
this will be thinking, Oh God, I might be a psychopath. And if you're having that thought,
you're not a psychopath. And I was like, well, job here done. End of book. Great, great,
great. That's all I needed from you, John. Yeah. So that was good. So that was that.
But Nick Dunn, he's the scariest person that exists in this film by, by a long shot. There's
there. Tell me why. Because when him and Amy first meet, they have this thing that a lot
of people I know, me included have done in the past. Right. Right. It's this idealized
version of the person that you're talking to. And you have this expectation and this sort
of image in your brain that, that this person is like, that's who you're trying to talk
to. That's who you're trying to impress. Yeah. You don't know the reality of who they are
as a person. So you have to, you do not have to presume and you have to kind of prejudge.
Right? Yeah. So you, you're talking to this projection. You have these uncommunicated
emotions that are rarely met because why would they be fictional person you've made up in
your mind in seconds after saying hello to someone. It's mental behavior. Amy does the
same thing for Nick, right? Amy's mask slips very openly and very honestly. Right. It's
very, there is a pinpoint moment where you're like, Oh yeah, she's psycho. Right. That point,
that point never comes with Nick, but his mask slips just as much. Does it? He's, yes.
How he's, he's an idolized version of himself and he, he's desperately out of control. The
second that people start getting a peek at the real Nick, no one thinks he could have
possibly been involved in this crime until Nick starts showing his true colors. If you
watch the scene in the police station, right. He's sitting there and he's talking about
the homeless problem and all this stuff. And then the detectives are like, yeah, well,
what are Amy's parents saying about their missing child? And it's like, I don't know.
I haven't spoke to him. What are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing right now? And he's
like, Oh God, yeah. Okay. I need to sort my, okay. I'm going to go do that now. His father's
in the next room, right? Yeah. The way that he communicates to is very misogynistic, very
anti-woman father. Yeah. His dad's mentally challenged. He's got some stuff going on.
He lives in a care home and all this stuff. He's a couple cakes short of a slice. I get
it. Yeah. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But the way that he talks to him and the way that
he talks to the officer who's handling him is caught very, very minutely by the detective
and you clock this thing in Nick's eyes where he's like, I've just let slip. She's just
sinned this. And he immediately excuses himself from that situation entirely.
The context is that his dementia riddled dad has been found in the road essentially as
grandparents are often, and has been taken to the police station. They've been trying
to get a hold of him and they can't get a hold of him because he's being interrogated.
And he comes out to the front desk and there's a way, there's a shortness and there's a condescension
with which he talks to the female police officer behind the front desk. Yeah. That's really,
it's not sort of pointed out by Fincher. Yeah. You kind of have to notice it yourself, which
is genius because Fincher is getting you to notice it yourself and making it feel like
it's a clue you've discovered, not one he's given you. Yeah, definitely. And this is,
this is the point that I'm making, right? So that little slip of the mask there, he
immediately, his attitude towards all law enforcement then changes. And for the rest
of the movie, he's never, he's never as polite and charming as he was previously. No. No.
And if you watch it a couple of times, I've watched, I mean, we've had a few weeks on
this. I've watched it a fair few times. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm sort of like six
or seven watches deep now because it is, it's ridiculous how good this film is. The rewatchability
is insane on it. It is mind boggling that he even attempts to keep it together for the
rest of this. The little, the little smirks at the photos when he's in the courtroom next
to a picture of his missing wife. And they're like, this is a search party. And he does
his nervous little smile. I think Nick though is kind of at no point in the first act of
the film until, until the twist is revealed and Amy is alive. I don't think he, unlike
us, unlike the audience, I don't think he ever falls for it. I think at all times he
completely fails to grasp the situation and he's just so convinced that it's Amy being
weird or it's Amy being manipulative or it's, it's for some reason, it doesn't click with
him the gravity of like, your wife might have been taken by strangers. She might have been
taken by a murderer. None of that really hits him. And is that not because he's experienced
with Amy's manipulation and just goes, there's absolutely no way that this incredibly unlikely
set of circumstances has happened. What's much more likely given that she does this
annual treasure hunt is that she's gone weird because she is weird.
Okay. This all could be true and it all, it all could be very innocently being sort of
like, ah, it's just, she's going too far with this one. Right. We're in a rough patch.
Yeah. Yeah. I was going to leave. I think she was looking for a way out. This is the
easiest thing for both of us. Right. Right. But you have to remember that he is none the
wiser of what Amy is doing or where she is or any of this stuff. The only things that
he knows are exactly what the police know. There was pints of blood poorly cleaned up
in the kitchen. There was blood splatter above the wall. There was stuff ruined in his house
and all he's bothered about is asking the police, asking the detectives to feed his
cat. And this is the, this is the thing that I'm pointing out. I have to keep reminding
myself that Nick is none the wiser. He is completely blind in this entire situation
and it's not that he, it's not that he's acting like he doesn't care. It's acting like he
understands everything that's going on whilst having zero information. Right. That is mental
behaviour. That is mental behaviour. It is. You have no clue where your wife is. It is.
You're trying to control a public opinion to make yourself not seem like a murderer,
but they're so nonchalantly worrying about the homeless in your neighbourhood. It's like...
But here's where I'm going to start my defence, right? Go on. Is when I said earlier that
I think Nick is less complete as a character, he's less standalone. Amy, she's everything
she needs to be and everything about her is consistent to who she is. I think Nick is
more of a sort of narrative construct and he's, is what he needs to be to get us to
the last act. Because the last act is kind of inherently ridiculous. It's kind of nonsensical.
Is it? It is. In the sense that in the reality of the situation, this man's wife has been
abducted. Okay. Well, that's an unusual circumstance that happens to very few people. Ah, but actually
she's not been abducted. She's framed him for her own abduction and murder to get back
at him for checking out mentally of their marriage and cheating on her with one of his
young students. Okay. Well, that's really, that's that. Okay. Now we're in film territory.
That's great. Yeah. Okay. Now she's seen him on television, forgiven him because she thinks
he wants to try again and has now murdered the man that she's hiding out with and is
now back with her husband, Nick, who knows that she's a murderer, who knows that he tried
to frame her for murder, but is happy to stay there. Makes it completely jumped the shark
into fantasy land at that point. Unless you look at the film metaphorically and figuratively
because it makes perfect sense as a portrayal of what a toxic relationship becomes. A sort
of play act of two people playing roles that they are no longer true, but they're too inconvenient
or damaging to put away. Like Nick will lose his comforts. He'll lose his bar. He'll lose
his source of money and he'll lose his reputation and she'll lose what she thinks she has in
the, you know, there's hope in this marriage and we can fix it and this kind of thing.
Neither of them believe it, but it's more comfortable. I know for a fact, Ben, both
you and I have been in relationships where we're not in it anymore. We've fallen out
of love, but the other person has kind of not done all that much wrong. So you can't
break up with them because what possible reason would you give? They're just being the person
they've always been. It's me that's changed. I know. And then you just stuck there and
you're like, if they got hit by a bus, I'm going to have to give a eulogy and it's going
to people are going to expect some heartfelt shit. I'm going to be like, well, and I feel
like that, like that's, that's the, that's the situation that Fincher and Gillian Flynn,
the author of the original novel and the screenplay want to sort of portray. It's like, let's
set up a bunch of circumstances where you can watch it happen in a film and go, that's
exactly how my marriage feels. I feel trapped by a psychopath who doesn't actually love
me. That is a very good way of looking at it. Nick is, Nick is the passive. It's just
too difficult. I'm too much of an idiot. And that would involve putting effort in and I'd
look bad. And you and I have both been in that situation where we're like, I don't want
to be in this relationship anymore, but if I end it, it will be effort and I'll look
bad and I'll feel guilty. So it's easier to just keep watching Real Housewives. Yeah.
I'm not going to argue with you. I think everyone's been in that position to a degree at some
point in their lives, right? Right. And I think at least once I've been doing like a
lot of work on myself over the past, you know, eight, nine months holding the mirror up,
really taking a long card look and being like, wow, wow. You can't go gym anymore either.
So that mirror is getting crueller. Don't, don't cause it's actually starting to hurt
now. It's, it's, I haven't been to the gym in well over a month and it's, it's literally
like, I know you. Yeah. It's a whole different thing. It's just going to make me sad. It's
a whole thing. It's a whole thing. We'll get into it at some point when I'm allowed back
into it. But you've been holding a mirror up to yourself going, Oh, I look like a butter
puppet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going, how immature do I have to be to not even respect a person
enough to just go, I'm wasting your time. I'm wasting my time. Yeah. There is, there
might be something here for you, but there is nothing here for me. And that is just cruel
and unfair for me to not say anything. Yes. And it's, it's, it's 2020 like hindsight's
perfect vision. You know what I mean? Hindsight's 2020. Oh yeah. It's incredible that like you
can sit, you know, a few months down the line and look at all your mistakes or you can sit
for a few months and look at all your mistakes and just go, Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. What
I feel like right is so I've, I've read some interviews with Gillian Flynn. I haven't read
a book, read some interviews with her. And she is obviously like you've just said, the
author of the book, the author of the screenplay. Yeah. Yeah. She's described the story is centering
around two psychopaths and then kept it ambiguous on purpose. And this is what annoyed me. Cause
I was like three or four watches deep at this point. And I was like, Gillian, you son of
a bitch, you've got yourself another watch through. All right, let's lock it. Let's go
with that. Okay. Okay. Amy gives us the answer. I think Amy tells, tells the audience directly.
I think she sums it up perfectly. Right. So also just really quickly in all of my research
for this, no, no one calls Nick Dunn Nick. Really? Everyone refers to him as Ben. Just
because Ben Affleck disappears into Nick Dunn so unbelievably well that people forget that
it's not Ben Affleck. I can't imagine how easy it must've been for Ben Affleck to A
have to pretend that he's in a failing marriage. Cause he's been in like five. Oh yeah. He's
probably at this point. On B have to imagine what it's like to have media outside your
door covering your failing marriage 24 seven. Dude, he's, he's lived this, he's lived this
through and through. You know what I mean? He's, he's the man for the job. There is no
other person that's better fit. So Amy, what she says, I think is exactly right. She, uh,
they're both their best when they're trying to be worthy for each other. Yes. When they
first met, they both bought, they both thought the other was perfect. They both worked to
make themselves better for that reason. And that reason alone, they grew to resent one
another for not being, when they, when they realized they're not perfect, they're not
perfect people and they're not perfect for each other. And in the end, they both delude
themselves into thinking that they can both go back to the beginning and maybe try and
be that perfect person putting forth a little bit more effort. Or maybe if we try it this
way, maybe if you try it this way, it will be different this time. Fucking hell, if we
haven't all been there. Right. And I think, I think for me, the core of the, of the film
is the dynamic of a failed or failing marriage. Yeah, of course it is. And what those characters
have to be in order to make the most failed marriage, right? Cause it's almost like a,
it's like, um, how are we going to depict, you know, you don't have, you don't have,
oh, oh, there's a chicken escape from the petting zoo. It's like, no, there's millions
of dinosaurs. They're all out. It's the most disaster. And this film does that for marriages.
It does. It does that for marriages. It has to be that hyperbolic thing of like, we're
going to, we're going to do it big so you can see the parallels to, to your life. There's
a huge thing about identity in this and a huge thing about perception. And I think it's
an interesting film for Fincher to make at this point in his career because it's essentially
a film about storytelling. Yes, it is. It's essentially a film about who you think you
are. Doesn't matter what you've done. Doesn't matter what happened. Doesn't matter. It's
about what, who people think you are based on the story you tell them. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Now this is David Fincher's what fourth fifth serial killer crime mystery film. Yeah. And
every time he tries to do something else, the audience like nah, Benjamin Button, nah,
Benjamin Button was good. It was up there. It was weird. It was up there for you. I think
for a lot of the audience, critically, it wasn't as successful. Benjamin Button did
for autistic people what the notebook did for people wanting romance movies. Yeah. Yeah.
Fair, fair, fair, fair. Autistic people, the romance story of the ages. Yeah. It's a love
story. Yeah. But it's just a love story in it. No, cause it's an old man in love with
a seven year old. It's a bit problematic mate. He's got the mind of a seven year old. Right.
I mean, I signed me up. I've got a quote here where David Fincher says, um, the adjective
Fincher-esque makes me a little queasy. It's a good thing to have an audience, uh, have
some expectation of you because it gives you opportunities to subvert that when you're
making a movie like Gone Girl, it's not a bad thing that people have seen seven and
know that stuff can seriously go off the rails. You get to play with expectations. And I'm
like, okay. So he, he knows he knows he's a genre director now. Yeah. Yeah. And then
he goes on to say, but I don't trust anybody who doesn't go to bed at night feeling like
a fraud feeling like tomorrow is the day I get the call and they rescind my ability to
do this thing that I love so much that I would do it for free. There's a part of you that's
always waiting to be found out. And I wonder how much of this stuff, right? Yeah. I wonder
how much of this film is, is David Fincher kind of telling the story of a man who doesn't
exert the kind of control over storytelling that he does. He's famous for doing a thousand
takes. He's famous for like, if David Fincher could control what craft services were serving
on that day, he would, he's over every department. He knows exactly, he knows every famous people
say David Fincher knows everybody's job on set and how to do it and what it takes. Because
he does not want to be caught smiling a little bit at the camera when he's supposed to be
making an appeal for his missing wife. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a great way of looking at
it. It's almost like Nick Dunn is the anti David Fincher and Amy Dunn is the audience
just going, no, we don't like that. We don't want that. It's got to be perfect because
he started out with Alien 3, which was the opposite of the films he makes now. Nothing
was in his control and it was awful. Right. And he makes good films now. How dare you?
I love Alien 3. But my last quote from David, his presentation is a weird, translucent,
diffuse plastic hymen between what I want it to be and what you want it to be. And it
feels like at this time in his career, he's really wrestling with like who he is and what
his identity is. And the things that he makes are now finally being accurate representations
of what it is he wanted to do. Yeah. And it's incredible that he's doing it with a film
where the central, one of the central characters cannot get a thing about his presentation.
It's okay. Yeah. That's, it's like oddly poignant, but also it's very Fincher-esque. It's very
Fincher-esque. Nick Dunn is very Fincher-esque. Nick Dunn is making the Alien 3 of missing
wife appeals. Yeah. That's unfortunately incredibly accurate. The whole, the whole media aspect
of this film as well really fucks me up though. Right. Right. In a bad way. We're just talking
about who can tell the best story and the presentation you're putting out and stuff.
I've got a quote from Fincher here about this. Right. And he's put, people have become more
accustomed to recontextualizing their shortcomings. The business of shining things up is no longer
just the purview of publicists and chat show hosts. It's permeated to everybody. With the
information age, people are on the cover of their own rolling stone. They get to make
decisions that cast a better light on what they've accomplished. Right. I mean, when
people are documenting everything and uploading it, there's a tendency to edit it. Oh, I feel
attacked. There's not a lot of people going, got up today, was lonely, masturbated. End
of quote. And he's bang on right, because this is, this is where this film ruined me
the first time I watched it. Right. The first time I watched it, the trust issues that it
gave me was I don't know anyone. I don't know anyone. Realistically, I don't know anyone.
No. Even Margot, who's Nick's sister in this film, right? She's there for him through thick
and thin. She works at the bar, which is his and Amy's bar. She's there. She's there to
help him with quizzes. She understands their dynamics. She's the shoulder to cry on. She's
his rock. The crutch, the pillar, the spine. The stuff that we learned that he has just
lied to her about or kept away from her and done in the shadows behind her is disgusting.
He's literally sleeping with one of his students in her woodshed, in her garden, in their dad's
house whilst their dad is in a care home. And it's like, he's not told her any of this.
And periodically throughout this film, she's like, you need to tell me everything because
I need to be able to trust you. And he's like, I have, you know, what do you think? I'm a
liar. What do you think I'm going to write? What do you think I'm going to do? Do you
think I've killed my wife? This manipulative, psychotic piece of shit runs his own biological
sister into the ground repeatedly and then just casually laughs it off whilst they're
talking to Tana Bolt, his lawyer that Margot paid for by remortgaging her house, 47 grand
in savings. And then he's casually laughing being sort of like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I fucked
her in the woodshed just outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's tons of stuff that you all don't
know. And she's sitting there like, are you joking?
I don't think, and I think this is where this is probably my strongest defense of why Nick
isn't a psychopath. I don't think he's interesting enough. I think Nick is just a cowardly,
small liar who's lazy and self-serving and conflict diverse. I feel like he's a 20 years
older version of the character that Ben Affleck plays in Mallrats.
What? He's incredible in Mallrats. There is so much to him in Mallrats. It's unbelievable
that you've just said that. In Mallrats, no, in Mallrats, he's just punching people and
being a skeet. Exactly. And I feel like that's a 22 year old version of the 45 year old we
see now who thinks he's all that, thinks he's an intellectual, thinks he's grown up, but
he's still from Missouri. He's still from the back end of nowhere. He doesn't really
know anything. And he puts on these fronts of being this intelligent, moral man because
he's got nothing going on. And I think for him to be a sort of have intention gives him
too much agency. I think he's just a moron. He's a piece of s*** moron.
You there sir. A fall and right into Nick Dunn's trap. Right into Nick Dunn's trap.
Because Mallrats Ben Affleck isn't afraid to stand out. That's true. He's not afraid
to be different. That's true. Okay. I retract that. A very common thing of psychopathic
people is that half of them don't even know that they're psychopaths. Right. 100%. They're
very high functioning. They fit in well. They mask well. They mimic stuff around them. Their
surroundings, they blend into the background. They do not stand out. Everything that you've
just said about Nick Dunn is a carefully crafted, precise persona that he is presenting to the
world that slips every now and then to show a very angry, a very bitter and a very twisted
individual that is willing to lie, manipulate, to double cross and just not give a f*** about
any of the fallout because he'll laugh it off with a lawyer that someone else has paid
for whilst he's making his defence that his missing wife is in fact a dickhead. That is
the only thing. There is a scene in this film where Andy, the girl that Nick Dunn is cheating
on Amy with, comes forward to the media in front of Amy's parents, in front of the world
and says, I had an affair with Nick Dunn. I feel awful about it. I believe that Nick
had something to do with Amy's disappearance, which I never really understood as to why
she would do that at that exact moment. Right. Then the fourth or fifth watch through, I
realised that Andy shows up a little inebriated to Margo's house and it's all like hush hush
and, oh, I thought you said you were going to leave her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Divorce. You
were going to come be with me. And he's all like, don't you ever say that aloud ever again.
Do not repeat anything that you've just said. And then proceeds to have sex with her in
his sister's house, in his sister's house, on his sister's furniture whilst his sister
is asleep at the bottom of the hall whilst his wife is missing, whilst he's none the
wiser of whether she is actually missing or not. He's just going, nah, she's a dick. She's
weird. She's pulling a weird one. And then Andy, after a few days goes to a vigil and
is like, hold on a sec. So he's just out and out lying to my face so that we sleep together.
And then he's up there on this stage, pleading to the world that his wife's missing. Oh my
God. I love her so much. You know, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
We saw through this sort of like facade. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's bad. As did many
other people. And the second that this stuff starts happening, people around him will come
forward with things. But when Andy comes forward and he's like, I had an affair with Nick Dunn,
I now think he 100% has something to do with the disappearance of Amy. What does he do?
It hits the news hits just as he's about to do an interview to try and clear his name
that he's been rehearsing for days. Right. Tannable very, very, very famous, very good
at what he does. Possibly the best of what he does. Defense lawyer is like, pull out
of this immediately. You cannot come back from this. Bow out of it right now. No, I'm
good. No, I got this. I'm fine. Don't worry about it. No, no, no, no, no. It's fine guys,
guys, guys, guys. It's fine. It's fine. Just, you know, just let me cook. Let me cook. Even
his sisters look at him like, what are you doing, bud? What are you doing? This is that
and then he nails it. He nails it. He nails it. Do you want to know? Because he can just,
he can just mask. He can just present himself in this weird. He has this insane manipulative
ability to just be whoever he needs to be. He's a salesman. I don't, I don't think he
does. We don't see the interview. Importantly, we don't see the interview. And I don't think,
I don't necessarily think that he does some incredible Machiavellian bit of manipulation
where he suddenly turns into a different guy and swings it. I don't think it's a heroic
effort. I think it's a normal effort. And I think what the, what the point is, is that
the media in this film, as long as they've got something to talk about, as long as there's
an angle and I feel like what this film is kind of portraying is that they've had a week
of painting him as a bad guy and they've kind of run out of content on that angle. I mean,
all it takes the media is one interview with him looking a bit sad and going cause I miss
her and I love her. Right. And they go, Oh guys, guys, now we can make a week's worth
of content about how we were wrong. I agree to an extent demonstrates the weakness of
the media, not the strength of Nick. I understand what you're saying. I'm going to, I'm going
to have to disagree. Right. Because again, we know everything from Amy's side as well
at this point. Nick does not, the media do not. Everyone is still certain that Amy's
dead and they were actively pushing for the death penalty moments before the interview.
It's infuriating me that I'm looking at Nick and going, definite psychopath. He is 1000%
this crippled, evil, maniacal, manipulative piece of s*** just incredibly well. He's dressed
well. He's good looking. He presents himself in such a way where it's like, God, he's a
good guy. Okay. There is that weird bit. There is that weird bit where they're in the car.
He's just done the interview. They're talking about how we smashed it. They're like, dude,
don't be callous. Don't be like, don't over-celebrate this. Yeah. And he then immediately, normal
people would do that. Right. And then he then immediately compliments Andy, the young student
who's out at him as having an affair. She's a good girl. She's a good person in a way
that it's okay. Okay. Mad that in it. Mad that. Because that's like a unnecessarily
selfless thing to do having just been criticized for being selfish. Yeah. You know, like sometimes
when you're in competition with someone and you come out on top, you win. Yeah. You get
first place, but you're like, God, they put up a good fight though. Didn't they? That
was a good effort from second place. Yeah. You want to virtue signal a little bit. Yeah.
They've fully earned that silver medal. Yeah. So you just use it as a game. It's just all
a big game, all a big game. Who can look best? Who can tell the best story? Trial by TV,
innocent until proven guilty. No. Okay. If he is a psychopath though, he's the boring
kind and I feel like psychopaths get a bad rap, right? You get the funsies kind. You
do. And out of those ones, you get great horror franchises. None of which I've seen, I've
heard good things about. My best mate Ben, he's a big fan of Halloween the 13th and all
them sort of ones, you know, Freddie versus Chuckie and, yeah. But anyway, they're the
funsies psychopaths. And then you get the boring ones who just run companies and have
got no problem firing 20,000 people. Sure. Cause they just don't feel for them. You know?
Sure. They're like, the business needs it. Gone. Sure. Or, you know, someone comes up
and they go, Oh, I really, I really need this health insurance. And they're like, yeah,
but you've got cancer. So we're going to cancel it cause that's expensive. Sure. Like those
are the boring kind of psychopaths and Nick, Nick, if he is a psychopath, he's one of them.
Cause the only thing he uses his psychopathy to do is make his life easier. Yeah. He's
got no ambition and no ideas. He's just, whatever gets him on the sofa playing battlefield again
quickest. Yeah. That's the ambition. The ambition is an easy life. The ambition is the easy
road that takes minimal resistance. That's the map. That's the ambition. And the man
that you're describing in your boring kind is Patrick Bateman, American psycho. So Patrick
at least has the imagination to imagine being a fun psychopath. Spoilers, but, but, but
what I'm saying is, is that I don't think that you are correct. They are the boring
kind. Right. Thank you. I mean, like, yeah, good for you. It's a, you know, 14, 500 company.
Right. Oh gosh. Who cares? The, the only issue that I have is I think Finch's accidentally
made one of the greatest horror movies of all time, but also one of the best date movies
of all time. No, Ben, no, come on. This is, this is the perfect date movie. How? And the
reason is Ben Affleck plays Nick Dunn as one of the most terrifying types of psychopaths
that exist. The boring kind. You can say the boring kind. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah.
To me, Nick Dunn is so predatory to appear docile and oh woe is me. I'm always the victim
and Nick Harumph whilst simultaneously manipulating every situation that he's in, every relationship
he's ever touched. Every scenario that his name is ever uttered is wildly vastly manipulated
and skewed in such a way that he will always come out looking favorable. That terrifies
me because the fact that Amy is so outspoken, she's at least honest with it. She's at least
open about it. At least she's fun. I'm a full psychopath. I will murder someone whilst they
are inside me and then frame it as me being the hero. That was the bit you found hot,
wasn't it? That was the bit you found hot. Dying inside someone is like your number one
goal. What a way to go. NPH in Gone Girl. What a way to go. I would want that entire
story etched out on my headstone. But not well written. Full of anthems. I want it all
anthems. All anthems. And then? And then? And then? And then? And then? And then box
cutter and then throat slashed and then? You're imagining quite a grand headstone, buddy.
Oh yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. You're planning on dying with memes. Yeah. Okay. 2025 is my
year, man. That's true. There we go. There's a bean. We put a bean in the boy. There's
one in there. But yeah, so he's the scariest type of psychopath. He's the one that's so
mundane and so quiet and so reserved that you don't ever truly look at him. So how is
that a perfect date, mate? Picture this conversation that we've just had here. This little debate,
this fun little, this fun little debate between two people that have just met themselves and
are trying to put their best foot forward. No, no, because that's unfair because they,
in this film, Nick and Amy Dunne literally at the start, when they're having their romantic
kiss near the sugar factory, which I have to just very quickly, early on in this film,
where they have their first date and they go for a romantic walk through New York at
night and then they stop outside a bakery and there's sugar in the air from where they've
been loading the sugar and it cuts to a long shot and there's just four bags of sugar on
the floor. Now I've carried those bags of sugar at work. They are 20 kilos. So what
they've actually done is they've walked behind the worst bakery in the US that's happy just
shit mixing 80 kilos of sugar on the floor every night.
Welcome to New York, baby. The secret ingredient is foot traffic.
So, so they, I mean, the rats there must just all have diabetes.
Oh yeah, yeah. But he, they say there that let's never be one of those boring couples.
Let's never be one of those horrible couples that hate one another and she henpecks him
and he, and they have that exact conversation. That's a little bit later. The reason they
have that conversation is because Amy's about to tell Nick that she's going to give her
parents $1 million from her trust fund. And then she, she preempts this by going, let's
never be one of those couples that hate each other. Let's never do this. Okay. That, yeah,
that's out and out manipulative. That's one of those I'm feeling really gentle and feeling
like really fragile today. I really, really just can't deal with anyone shouting at me.
So anyway, I sold the kids. Yeah. I gave away a million dollars from our money. Are we going
to, we weren't going to have a conversation about this? No. Okay. Sound, sound, sound,
sound, sound. Nick's Max Nick's mask slips a little bit in that scene as well. Again,
it's very gentle. It's very subtle, but Amy notices it and it changes the rest of the
movie. Okay. But are we, okay. So we're saying, we're saying perfect date movie because, because
what? It, because it acts as a filter. Are you joking? Right. Look at how Nick and Amy
start their relationship. It is the most romantic thing. Right. The bar is so unbelievably high.
She's the cool girl. He's the cool, charming slick guy. The opening lines are just amazing.
They sit and they play these funny games, the sugar, the sugar storm. Gorgeous. Yeah.
Two years later, nothing but solid. They gave each other the same gifts. They're so cute.
Oh my God. This is awesome. Even the proposal, man, the proposal is insane. Yeah. Can you
imagine ever being that slick in your entire life? I do reason. I've not even been one
iota of that slick ever. Okay. I hate, I hate to admit this, but you've, you've been wearing
me down. When I watched this scene, the proposal, I wasn't a fan because what he does is he
does that classic move of proposing to somebody in front of a crowd. But normally you need
to see when you see it at like football games in America or on like in front of the Trevi
fountain in Italy. And I always think, God, that's pressure. God, cause what if it's a
no, you then you've then got all you're doing it in front of you say no in front of all
these people. What he does is worse. He does it at a table of six people. You've played
gigs and you know, for a fact, it's easier to play to a full room than it is to play
to four people who can look in your soul. It is you've done a lot of those gigs with
four people staring into your soul. They're uncomfortable. And then imagine somebody gets
on stage and he goes, Ben, will you marry me? And you're like, ah, I'd have set myself
on fire. Right, right. So I hate, I hate to say this. It does lean down the psychopath
route cause he's not thought what that's like for her. He's just gone, I want this for me
and it will make it harder for her to say no. Oh, that's a good, like, that's a good
take on it. I took it the other way. I interpreted it the other way. I took it as Nick knows
that Amy's putting her best foot forward and he's putting his best foot forward. They need
to appear to be the perfect couple. They need to appear to be this, this grandiose thing.
He overhears these reporters being like, Oh, you're not amazing. Amy is so much better
than you. Amy has done everything that you should have done. And he'll then step in and
be sort of like, you are so accomplished. You are so gorgeous. You have a world-class
vagina. How about we, yeah. How about make it, how about we make it efficient? Why don't
we make amazing names? Let's leave amazing Amy behind us. Cause we're the perfect couple.
And he does it in front of five people who are reporters, contemporaries who are going
to report this amazingly romantic proposal in all of their publications. And they're
going to, it's going to go out everywhere that the real amazing Amy is now even more
amazing. He knew exactly what the f*** he was doing. This dude is so cold and calculated.
I'm telling you, get a few watches deep. Nick Dunn is terrifying. He's one of the scariest
characters I've seen in years. I'm going to concede the point. We are, we're running low
on time and I did not start this recording thinking that I was going to be swayed on
this. I had, I was dude, the rage bubble that just hit me. If you'd have just told me 55
minutes in that you hadn't started recording, I was about to flip my desk. I was like, yeah,
there's one bean in me, mate. I'm getting in the car and I'm fighting that bean to you
through fists. I won't agree that it's a perfect date movie. I'll say magic Mike is the perfect
date movie. Why? Cause all the guys on screen do all the work and then at the end of it,
the film ends and they've got nothing to do with that built up frustration. But I'm there.
Yeah. But you're nothing like magic Mike. They just, you'd set in the bar too high.
Bad boy, bubby lower it. You know what I mean? Absolutely not me. I was, I was blessed with
nine inch penis, but that priest was arrested. So yeah, I say bad boy, bubby it man. That
dude is mom. I don't, I bet. I feel, I feel like getting the wine, getting the wind up
and then just leaving it and going, well, there's only one bloke here and it's me. So
it's not going to be great. Your perfect date is show people, incredibly sexy people to
get them in the mood and you go, well, no better option. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's not a perfect date movie. That's a bad point. I'm either way. I may as well be
blatant about it. Dude. See you're framing this wrong. Look, I learned a while ago. You
can't walk into a bar and go, what's up buddy? I'm hung like a moose because when you then
go home with these people and you're not hung like a moose, it's a disappointment. But hear
me out now, my dear boy, this is the life changing lesson. This is the life changing
lesson. If you can walk in that bar and say, what's up? I'm hung like an acorn and still
get to go home with you. And it's a bit bigger than an acorn bonus. Yeah. But your new game
plus in it, mate, they're not going to come home with you. You're saying this develop
personality, read a book, rub, come on. I'm dyslexic. And I read a bit of a book for this.
You know what I mean? I've got personality and I've got a book. The difference is then
you're arguing from a position of privilege because you look like Chris Hemsworth found
crack. I look like Chris Hemsworth. Arsehole has been burned. It's still a bit of Chris
Hemsworth. You're an attractive man, Ben. You're starting from a position of privilege.
Thank you. You're also very attractive. You know Ben, Ben, Ben. Nick Dunn yourself. Shut
up. You know what I mean? You can read a book and develop a bit of personality. You go,
it's easy because you've got natural advantages, mate. You've got three extra inches of height
on me, mate. Height doesn't mean anything. It means quite a lot, mate. When you happen
to clap your hands together and go up, he's yeah, that's cute as dude. Kids have been
doing that for generations. You joke it. I don't see any moms being like, okay, yeah.
Kids have been doing that for generations, Ben, but that's why we don't fuck them. You
say that, but the priest, right? I am. I was blessed with the nine inch penis. Do you want
to play a game? I'd love to play a game. Let's play a game. I'd love to play a game. Let's
play a game and then rate the movie. Yeah. So we did a quiz yesterday when we tried recording
this and it was shocking. Uh, but that was the expert David Fincher quiz. Yeah. I got
10 out of 10. You got nine out of 10, but that's fine. I is 10 out of 10. You got nine
out of 10, but it's not what happened. Doesn't matter. It's what people think's happened.
Oh, see? Yeah. See. Edit it. Right. Yeah. I wasn't learning. I didn't masturbate. I
won a quiz. All right. So I found a new one. It took me 46 seconds ish. And this one is
called the what culture.com the David Fincher quiz. How well do you know the director's
work? Now I don't know how the website works because it just says answers at the end and
it has one question on it. There's, I can't find question two, so I'm just going to wing
it. Okay. See what happens. This might be a really short quiz. It might be good. Yeah.
So how did David Fincher transition to become in a film director? Is it a, he was already
a music video director. B, yes. He taught film studies. C, no. He had just finished
a media degree or D, he was a sound technician. Music videos. Yes, he was. The idea, the idea
that any, I've been a sound technician, the idea that anyone looks at the sound technician
and goes, have you got any ideas? Yeah. If anyone creative ever looked at me and went,
what's your idea? I knew the session was fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the ultimate creative
bankruptcy is asking the sound technician. I had ideas, but no one needed to hear him.
Bro, I've sat on boards of directors. It's mental. The fact that I've been in those rooms
is silly. Also, you're a psychopath. I figured out this, all right, Ruth. I figured out this
quiz. So I've clicked your answer. It doesn't tell me whether it was right or wrong. It
was right, but it doesn't tell me that. Okay. And it just takes you through to a different
website that is question two. So join us next week for Ben figures out slideshow. Yeah.
It's slideshows, it's slide websites. It's a completely different website. Anyway, hear
me out. Nice. What was Filchers, what was Fin, Filchers, what was Filchers first feature
length film? Does David Felcher do all of his form parodies? Yeah. That's it. Was it
seven, fight club, alien three or the game? I missed the question, mate. I was too busy
laughing at David Felcher. What was his first film? Alien three. Yeah, there you go. In
Zodiac, what newspaper to Gray Smith and Avery work at the Sacramento Chronicle, the San
Francisco Chronicle, the San Diego Chronicle or the San Jose Chronicle? Because the Zodiac
killer famously did all of his killings around the San Jose area. Yeah. I'm going to say
the San Francisco Chronicle. All right. Well, we'll see at the end, won't we? How convenient
is this rather than just having it all on one page? Which of these music artists hasn't
Fincher worked for? Aerosmith, Nine Inch Nails, David Bowie, Billy Idol. David Bowie. Never
worked with David Bowie. Okay. Never worked with Bowie. Did Billy Idol did the video for
only by Nine Inch Nails from their 2005 album with teeth and the Rolling Stones? He won
the MTV Music Awards. Okay. Okay. Question five. Alien three was nominated for an Academy
Award. Which one was it? Best picture, best cinematography, best costume design, best
visual effects. Best visual effects. Indeed. I hate this quiz. This was the worst. This
was the worst. Now you know what it was like to try and watch pictures of Gillian Anderson
in 1998. Yeah. It's buffering. Dude, I still do that now. And now it's, yeah. So question
six is internal server error. So I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I should have gone. It's what
it's like looking at pictures of Sarah Michelle Geller in 1998. It's fine. Buffering the vampire
slayer. Yeah. Damn it. There you go. Damn it. That's what caused the internal server
error, mate. So we don't know whether you got them right or not. Cause whatculture.com
is just shit the bed. All right. Well, I'm going to say, I'm going to say I got 10 out
of 10. I'm going to say 10 out of 10. Yeah. Well done. 2025 new year, new year. Hashtag
blessed. What are you rating? Gone Girl? 10. 10? Fat 10. This is a fat 10. Yeah. This is
one of my favorite films of all time. I can watch this nonstop. There is always something
new that I notice. Uh, Nick Dunne is the most terrifying character in cinema by a long shot.
He writes the fact that doing the research on this film, every person that I've seen
with a blog or like a magazine article, slip up and call him Ben instead of Nick. And these
aren't like, these aren't little publications. These are big, fully fledged publications
will slip up and call him Ben rather than Nick. And it's terrifying that Ben Affleck
has disappeared into a role so much so that people have just forgot that it's a character.
There's a fact about Ben Affleck in this movie where obviously he's read the script. He knows
what happens in it. And he gets in touch with Fincher and he goes, um, so this young student
I have an affair with, I've got a casting suggestion and Fincher's like, Oh, who? And
he's like, Oh, Emily Ratajowski, Ratajowski, Ratajowski, um, Ratajkowski. Uh, I, I think
you should, you should see it and Fincher's like, Oh, okay. Um, so Ben Affleck pulls up
the music video for blurred lines by Robin Thicke where she is in her early twenties
and just full nude. Okay. And just goes, I think she's not full nude. She has tan underwear
on and sneakers. Oh, okay. Oh, sneakers. That makes the difference. I'm not overly familiar
with the video. I'm not overly familiar. Okay. Just somewhat familiar with it. What brand
of the sneakers Ben? Nikes. It's okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I only know that because
I was like, that's a little bit heaven's gaty. That's a little bit heaven's gaty. Right.
Okay. Yeah. It was, it was a cult research point that I thought who else wears Nike sneakers
and had that on repeat for about 14 to 15 strokes. But then gross. What are you rating
it? I'm going to rate. I'm going to, okay. When we recorded this, uh, the other day yesterday,
I was a bit yesterday, I was thinking about my experience watching it. And I remember
the first time I watched it, I thought it was incredible. I thought it was mint. I thought
it was like, there was not a, not a, not a hair out of place in this movie. Yeah. And
then I rewatched it for this and I didn't find myself as engaged because I kind of knew
what was coming down the pipe and there, there were, the film was asking me, it was providing
mystery for a new viewer that I already had the answer to. And that was kind of tiring.
I was like, Oh, I know David. Like I know, I know where we were going to end up. There's
not much for me here. Yeah. Um, but then I've just, I've been thinking about like the technicality
and this is the thing with David Fincher. He's so good at making films that talking
about his filmmaking process is kind of empty calories because there's no drama. Like Christopher
Nolan, every movie he makes, there's some bizarre new stunt that he's doing. I'm going
to take the wings off a plane in midair. I'm going to buy a jumbo jet and I'm going to
drive it through an airport building and film it all on analog film. IMAX cameras. Yeah.
Wicked. We can talk about that for days. David Fincher turns up and goes, I made a brilliant
film. I came in under budget. The filming schedule was stuck to, to the letter and the
film's mint. And you're like, yeah, that's, that's difficult to pull much drama out of
David. Could you not just up a bit? Yeah. I made a film that went really well. Fantastic.
Good. Also, fuck off. And I, and so with that in mind, I'm thinking like it's, it's tempting
to sort of judge and, and Mark this film against other David Fincher movies and go, Oh, it's
a seven on a rewatch. But if I compare this to any other film, it's a, it's a perfect
film. It's a, it's a, it's such a well-made film. So I'm going to split the difference.
I'm going to go nine and a half. Okay. And that's a very long answer to a very simple
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Monday motivational pep talk. Yeah. While I just tell you to consume. I say because Amy's
such a strong feminist character, I think we start looking at what she did in this film
for humans as a whole. You know what I mean? I feel like we can take lessons, leave some
of her book, if you will, for anyone who wrongs you. Let's say you go to the chip shop and
your, your scallop is a margin, a hair thinner than normal. Frame them for murder. You know
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heading to Mega Con, make sure you go see her. Tell her that we sent you and get yourself
some insanely cool nerd pride. If you're not heading to Mega Con this year, first off,
why not? Second off, head on over to emma lawrich.com. That's E M M A L A U R I C H dot com and grab
your goodies from there. Go follow her on Instagram. Thanks again to Emma Lawrich for
sponsoring this episode.
I'm Emma Lawrich.