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INTRO

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Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever Podcast.

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My name is Ben Groves.

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And my name is Rob Macfarlane.

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Welcome to the show, a movie podcast slash mental health check-in.

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Yeah.

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The two broken brained best friends talking around their problems,

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but not about their problems whilst laughing at movies.

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Yeah.

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So before we get to what we're doing, Ben,

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I feel we should ask the more important question.

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How are you doing?

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I'm really good, man.

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Like I'm hitting a stride and I don't understand why.

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I'm just, I'm feeling it.

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Nice. Nice. How's the lung?

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It's good, man.

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I want to go for another check-up yesterday.

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They were sort of super sombre about it though.

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They were like, yeah, you need to pack an overnight bag

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because we're probably going to end up cutting you open.

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You know, put a tube in your chest to drain out all the excess air.

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But when you talk dirty.

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And I was like, well, that doesn't sound that bad.

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You tubed it. It is that bad.

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It's awful.

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Luckily though, I'm just hashtag built different.

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And it's fixed itself in it.

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Well, nearly. It's got better.

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Yeah.

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And they're like, yeah, we'll monitor you.

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We'll just give it a month.

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Don't go to the gym.

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Don't go this, that and the other.

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And I was like, I think it's the Crea team that's fixed it.

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If I'm honest with you.

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It's not.

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I think it is.

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But yeah, how are you, man?

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How are you?

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Well, I'm in a toxic relationship with you.

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Well, with me?

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With a bit of you.

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Hold on. What bit?

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Because when your lung was collapsed.

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Right.

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I was living the dream.

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What do you mean?

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And now your lung is fixed itself.

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And now I've collapsed.

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My mental health has been the fit.

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Oh, buddy.

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And it lined up perfectly with your lung healing.

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And I'm beginning to wonder if me and your lung are in a codependent relationship.

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Oh, man.

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And I'm not going to be down in the dumps through the episode.

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I'm still keen to put out a good show and all this kind of thing.

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But what I do is I just mask.

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I just constantly masking.

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So this is me strapping on a mask, which is convenient this week because what are we doing?

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First off, I'm genuinely sorry that my lung has got you in this.

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Caught in a trap.

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I'm not sure it's your lung.

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There's some other stuff going on that this to be fair, it's this film.

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Okay.

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But let's get into that.

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Understandably.

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What is the film?

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What is the film?

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Help me mask here.

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What's the film?

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Well, this week, buddy, we're getting introspective with a surprise indie darling episode discussing everything about a different man.

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Which man?

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A different one.

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Okay.

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Not you.

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Not that one.

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Okay.

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No, not that one.

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Different man.

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Okay.

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Now, Ben, not everyone likes everything.

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Chihuahuas.

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Piranhas.

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Anacandric.

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Brexit.

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Pineapple on pizza.

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Pineapple on pizza.

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That's right.

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So if you, dear listener, hear us cry pineapple, it's just a short bit of the chat.

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It might not be to everyone's taste.

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And it's less about the film than a brand new listener might need.

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But not to worry, the full spicy Hawaiian version of every episode is available over on Patreon days beforehand.

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With all the pineapple you could ever want.

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The lowest tier is literally one pound.

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It is the most direct way to support the show.

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It's the most important way to support the show next to telling your mates about it.

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You know what I mean?

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Get them, get them chappers flapping.

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That's the most important.

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Likewise, our potty mouths are going to be censored in this version of the episode.

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But you can hear all the bad words you like on Patreon.

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Like.

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Yeah, there it is.

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There we go.

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That's the time.

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That's the time where Ben says the word and I have to censor it.

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Look, we've got too much to get into this episode.

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I know. I'm not going to sing the ukulele song.

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Can we do it at the end?

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It might cheer me up.

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I'll do it at the end.

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We've got to get into how Sebastian Stan helped get this movie off the ground.

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We're going to get into what writer director Aaron Schimberg has to say about his creation.

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The impact that this film carries with its very open interpretations.

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How we are all, both Edward and Guy.

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And the symbolism of everything.

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Literally everything.

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Everything in this film is a symbol for something.

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It's infuriating.

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It's a deep rabbit hole.

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I need to get out of it.

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Yeah, I kind of wasn't expecting you to bring this film.

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And now that you have, I'm not sure I like that you have.

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Well, we did social network last week, you know what I mean?

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True.

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Yeah, okay.

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One for me, one for you.

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I get that.

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I get that.

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Where did this come from, Ben?

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Why are we doing this?

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To be honest, mate, this came so far out of left field.

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We've had a rare week free up in the schedule.

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And this little film has been on our radars for a while.

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We've both said that we want to watch it.

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We both love Sebastian Stan.

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Weirdly, yeah.

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We stan Sebastian Stan.

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I thought we'd get...

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Hated that.

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I thought we'd give this...

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Of course you did, it's my joke from six months ago.

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Yeah, I know.

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Yes.

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So I thought we'd give this a go.

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A seemingly quirky indie romp.

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A little, you know, nice narrative from A to B about self-reflection and self-love.

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Ho ho ho!

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But little did we know!

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Yeah, it's not that.

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It's not that.

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And...

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No!

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We're going to break it down later, but we're going to say this multiple times before we get to that breakdown.

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You need to watch this film.

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You need to.

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I really don't know what you're going to get out of the episode that follows this chat that we're having right now with you, dear listener.

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If you haven't seen the film...

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Look, there's something in it for everyone.

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But the point is that this film deserves to be watched.

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Not just by cinema addicts, not by like kings of Kino...

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Like me.

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Every single person should watch this film because it is genuinely, genuinely universally relatable

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and universally relevant.

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It doesn't matter what mood you're in.

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It will hit you square in the feels.

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And you know that if Ben is saying it, this really is a film for everyone.

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Exactly.

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Because I'm into nonsense.

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I love nonsense.

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Right.

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If Ben's recommending an arthouse film, it's got to have something going on.

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It's like me recommending a B horror movie.

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The second that happens, A, I'm probably going to come, and B, I will not trust that you've recommended me a fucking B movie for anything.

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It just won't happen.

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We've got a secret one in the calendar in the chamber that you've never seen.

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I've known since it came out that I'm excited for, but they'll have to wait to know what that is.

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There's a name attached to this movie.

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There is.

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It comes up all the time.

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And you've written...

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You've written...

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I can see their little headline in the note.

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Who is Aaron Schimberg?

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I'm hoping that you have the answer to that.

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And that's not just a general question.

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That's a question for you, dear listener.

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Do some work yourself.

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No, I'm joking.

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So writer-director Aaron Schimberg is a famed indie director with a well-deserved and loyal cult following.

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I've heard of him recently because me and my friends, we do like a little movie club, boys night, mental health check-in every week where we all pick a different movie, but it's in a certain genre.

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It's cute as fuck.

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Yeah, it's quite cute.

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I've been to one.

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They do like foot massages.

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It's super homoerotic.

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There's no feet.

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Why is everything about feet with you?

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Because you hate it.

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Yeah, I don't trust that.

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I think you're into feet.

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I'm onto you, buddy.

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I've always been nonplussed.

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I don't trust it.

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The people who are into feet claim that they find feet disgusting.

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It's like a Republican claiming that they hate the gays.

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Sure.

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They're like, oh, it's disgusting.

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It should be illegal.

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And then you look at their WhatsApp chats and you're like, oh, yeah.

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Whereas I'm just like, fine.

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It wasn't that gay.

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He was sucking my dick.

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So anyway, Aaron Schimberg's built up this loyal court following.

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I've heard his name a couple of times recently.

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We just did Art House at the Little Boys Night thing.

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I haven't watched any of his other films.

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He broke out in 2013 with a directorial debut called Go Down Death, which

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is like an indie black and white art house movie.

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Why haven't you watched that, Ben?

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That sounds exactly like your real house.

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It's super surreal.

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Black and white art house?

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See, I'm branching out.

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I'm into art house at the minute.

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You're getting there, yeah.

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I'm into it.

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Then he wrote and directed Chained for Life, which stars Adam Pearson in 2018.

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Adam Pearson, he's the fella in this, right?

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He's the fella in this.

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He was also in Under the Skin.

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This film holds a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.

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Nice.

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Hugely critically successful.

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I've not seen his other films, but we need to do a series on him immediately.

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OK, maybe let's watch those films first and then decide.

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No, we're just going to go in blind.

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Fully invested.

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Let's go.

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OK, brilliant.

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Yeah.

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It came out this year, Ben.

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So normally, at this point, we do like, oh, if it's 2010, well, it's 2010 and we set the stage.

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I don't think we need to do that this week.

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It's literally...

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It's 2024, my tiny, infant, pinked, faced, fresh out of the womb baby otter with the eyes of a crab.

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And Red One is released into the cinemas to raise everyone's Christmas spirits while simultaneously demonstrating everything that is wrong with modern day Hollywood.

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Seriously, have you seen it?

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If not, don't.

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Of course I haven't.

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If so, I'm sorry.

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Ben, of course I haven't.

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It's terrible.

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What makes you think I'd see Red One?

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It's awful.

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Don't go.

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It's 2024, buddy.

265
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Yeah.

266
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And America has voted in their Toxic X back into the office.

267
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Both to the amusement and to the horror of the rest of the world.

268
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It's kind of like watching a car crash.

269
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You don't want to see it, but one of the drivers owes you a fiver.

270
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So you're just waiting for the prime opportunity to like get in there and pinch it back from the wallet.

271
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You see, it started there and I was worried that we were going to get political and then it just turned into the ramblings of an insane man.

272
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So well done.

273
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Someone owes me a fiver and I saw him drive past me earlier and all I was thinking was I would take that out of your wallet if I saw you crash.

274
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Okay, nice.

275
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It's 2024 and no one, I mean, no one thought that 2024 was going to be the year it has been for body horror.

276
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I mean, you say that.

277
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You got single this year.

278
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Everyone was expecting body horror.

279
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There.

280
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That was mean. I take that back.

281
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Sorry.

282
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I was going to say, Jesus Christ.

283
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That cut way deeper than I thought it was going to.

284
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I'm having a bad time Ben and I get mean when I'm not in a good space.

285
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Just let me read the rest of my paragraph in a sad, sad mumble tone because Jesus, we pack my tits away, shall I?

286
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Get out my B cup.

287
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Support bra.

288
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I'm sorry.

289
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Just off the top of my head, bud.

290
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Body horror movies from this year.

291
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Substance, Cuckoo, Sting, Smile 2, Lisa Frankenstein.

292
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But most importantly, a different man, a different kind of body horror, more of an internal body horror.

293
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This is going wildly, wildly off track.

294
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One that's instilled in all of us.

295
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It's still a body horror.

296
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No, come on.

297
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No, come on.

298
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Cuckoo crab man, it's 2024 and Aaron Schimberg is given an undisclosed amount of money.

299
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Or if you want to trust some janky article that we found online that says 550,000,

300
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but we don't entirely trust that and you will find out why we don't entirely trust that.

301
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In our upcoming Gone Girl episode in a few weeks.

302
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Right.

303
00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,800
So sorry, I lost the course of this sentence.

304
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It's 2024.

305
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He got given some money to make this banger of a film, a different man.

306
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Right.

307
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That was that worth it.

308
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I agree.

309
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I agree.

310
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Wholeheartedly worth it.

311
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Nice hike through a field of treacle.

312
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Yeah.

313
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Enjoy.

314
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Sticky.

315
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Right.

316
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This is a heavy spoiler warning right now.

317
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We've given you a little one before.

318
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There's a spoiler warning that's coming.

319
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There's the themes of this film in order to talk about them.

320
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We have to get into the film.

321
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There is no two ways about it.

322
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I was up until five o'clock this morning trying to figure it out.

323
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It doesn't work.

324
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I'm sorry.

325
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You're going to have to watch the film.

326
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Not just that.

327
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It's incredible on so many different levels.

328
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Please watch it.

329
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Yeah.

330
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It's support this type of cinema because this needs to be made more because otherwise we're going to end up with Red 1 too.

331
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And it's not going to happen, Rob.

332
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I'm not sitting through it.

333
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Would that not be called Red 2?

334
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No, because that's modern Hollywood, mate.

335
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Now you see me.

336
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Now you don't.

337
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Right.

338
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Yeah.

339
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Right.

340
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The other reason I would recommend that people watch this film is because it has ruined my mood and possibly...

341
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You could have said life.

342
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Well, I was going to go on to that, but thanks for stealing the punch line.

343
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Welcome.

344
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It's made me question big parts of my life.

345
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I'm not in a good place.

346
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And as much as I'd like to blame you along, I think it is this film.

347
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I think this film has essentially ruined my life, Ben.

348
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Okay.

349
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I'm going to say this in a nice way.

350
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Yeah, please do.

351
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Because obviously I'm desperate to get into that because I feel like this episode is going to help with it.

352
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It better.

353
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000
But the rebuttal that my lung has for you is...

354
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Haaaah.

355
00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,600
I can take deep breaths, bud.

356
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,400
No yawning, no coughing, just a deep breath.

357
00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,200
You know what I mean?

358
00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,000
Yeah.

359
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,600
That pink fleshy bat that is thriving in there.

360
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Yeah.

361
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,000
I need a deep breath now.

362
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000
Should we get into the breakdown?

363
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:05,800
Let's do it.

364
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,000
We're having a breakdown.

365
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The story revolves around Edward, played by Sebastian Stan, although you would not know that in the first half of the story.

366
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Sebastian Stan plays Edward, a man with neurofibromatosis who undergoes facial reconstructive surgery.

367
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The physical transformation is meant to help him integrate into society more easily, but it leads to an identity crisis.

368
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The procedure changes how others perceive him, but Edward struggles internally with scars of alienation and self-loathing, which aren't resolved by his new appearance.

369
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Post-surgery, Edward becomes fixated on an actor played by Adam Pearson, who in real life does suffer with neurofibromatosis.

370
00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,400
He does?

371
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Petrain him in a stage play about his life. The play is written by Ingrid, who is played by Renata Rainsve?

372
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,400
Rainsve?

373
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Rainsve?

374
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Yeah.

375
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Renata.

376
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Yeah, that one?

377
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,600
Yeah.

378
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,600
She's an aspiring playwright who initially befriends Edward.

379
00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:13,400
However, her intentions appear exploitative as she uses his personal struggles for her creative material, creating tension between her empathy and her opportunism.

380
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:26,000
Yeah, she writes the play that Adam Pearson's character Oswald ends up starring in, playing Edward, which is so bizarre and recursive and brilliant and David Lynchian and all this kind of stuff.

381
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:36,000
Edward's obsession with his representation in the play about his pre-surgery life and his unredeolved trauma culminate in a series of self-destructive actions.

382
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:48,800
His internalised anger and feelings of betrayal sort of push him into the edge, essentially, with the film exploring themes of authenticity, social acceptance and the limits of personal reinvention.

383
00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,200
It's making me sadder, Ben. This is making me sadder.

384
00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,200
I've tried to keep the film out of it to avoid that scenario, but now I see my mistake.

385
00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:01,200
As you were reading that out loud, I was like, oh, I see my issue.

386
00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,000
So apologies for that one, but that is essentially the film.

387
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,600
I thought this film, when you brought it, was going to be a slightly overly sentimental.

388
00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:09,800
Yeah.

389
00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,600
Oh, people with weird faces are people too.

390
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,800
And it's going to be because I knew nothing about Sebastian Stan or his role in the film.

391
00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:25,400
I thought he was going to be a I'm an attractive Sebastian Stan man and I've made a friend.

392
00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:31,600
And in the process of meeting this friend, I realised that he's got a full and rich life.

393
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,600
So Sesame Street, you thought this was going to be Sesame Street?

394
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:43,600
I thought it was going to be tiptoes with Gary Oldman.

395
00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,600
Sebastian Stan is the twin brother.

396
00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,600
Yeah.

397
00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,600
Oh, yeah.

398
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,600
I thought it was going to be a Hallmark movie.

399
00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,600
I would pay so much money to see that film.

400
00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,600
I thought it was going to be a Hallmark movie about neurofibromatosis.

401
00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,400
Okay. And what did you get out of it?

402
00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,400
What was your initial reaction to this?

403
00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,400
It was a David Lynch-ian surreal nightmare.

404
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,400
Right.

405
00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:16,400
Describing all the ways in which my life is wrong and all the ways in which I am trapped forever.

406
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,400
Okay.

407
00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,400
Okay.

408
00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,400
Yeah.

409
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,400
So A, this is good.

410
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,400
This is good.

411
00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,400
And I will tell you why it's good shortly, but it's good.

412
00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,400
And I have I have backup on this as well.

413
00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,400
I've got backup to let you know that that's a good place to be.

414
00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:40,400
And it's from Adam Pearson and it's from Sebastian Stan and it's from Aaron Schimberg.

415
00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,400
You know what I mean?

416
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,400
These are all people that made this film that made you like interpret it this way.

417
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,400
They've all got your back, buddy.

418
00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,400
They got you.

419
00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,400
I got you too, to an extent, but also I feel like I've caused this.

420
00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,400
So at the moment, I kind of kind of thrown you in the deep end there, bud.

421
00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,400
You could have just brought a boobs and monsters film, but no.

422
00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,400
Beyond was it was this or Beach Babes from Beyond.

423
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,400
It was which one are we going to do?

424
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:09,400
For the sake of the show, I'm glad it's this, but also for my own sake.

425
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,400
I'm just sorry.

426
00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,400
No, it's good.

427
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,400
It's good.

428
00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,400
I thought going into this, I thought it was going to be quite a linear A to B story of love yourself.

429
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,400
You're worth what you're worth, regardless of what you look like or who you are or what you stand for.

430
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,400
Shrek.

431
00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,400
It was essentially going to be Shrek.

432
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,400
It's kind of what I was thinking.

433
00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,400
It was like Stan and Adam Pearson.

434
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,400
I love Adam Pearson.

435
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,400
He was writing under the skin, incredibly entertaining.

436
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,400
Then you've also got Sebastian Stan.

437
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,400
We stan Sebastian Stan.

438
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,400
We do, but I thought he was going to be playing the role of donkey.

439
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,400
Yeah.

440
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,400
And Adam Pearson was going to be playing the role of Shrek.

441
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,400
That's probably a more accurate representation of what I was expecting going in.

442
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,400
OK, there you go.

443
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,400
My beloved monster and me.

444
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,400
Let's not sing the eels.

445
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,400
That's going to make me sad.

446
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,400
But what I got out of it, I did no research going into it.

447
00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,400
I hadn't watched the film.

448
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,400
I was just like, yeah, we're doing this.

449
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,400
I hadn't seen it.

450
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,400
I just wanted to.

451
00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,400
And then sat down to watch it.

452
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,400
And there were moments where I was literally grasping my own face and audibly, oh my godding.

453
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,400
It was one of them.

454
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,400
It caught me so off guard.

455
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,400
It was unreal.

456
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,400
I wasn't prepared emotionally, physically.

457
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:16,400
I was a bit tired.

458
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,400
Just wasn't prepared.

459
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,400
I was a bit hungry as well.

460
00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,400
You know what I mean?

461
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,400
Wasn't prepared.

462
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,400
Wasn't prepared.

463
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,400
But as you said, it's this kind of odd film.

464
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,400
It's an odd film to digest.

465
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,400
It's an odd film to consume.

466
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,400
Because I feel like you have to split it into two.

467
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,400
Right.

468
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,400
There's a clear midpoint.

469
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,400
There is.

470
00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,400
There's a clear midpoint in the film.

471
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:43,400
I think we should discuss this in terms of Edward and in terms of Guy.

472
00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,400
So it will be pre-facial surgery, post-facial surgery.

473
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:55,400
Basically, for those of you who are still here and haven't seen the film, I hate you.

474
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,400
So that you know what we're talking about.

475
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,040
Edward gets his facial reconstructive surgery and he is so wildly different.

476
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,480
He's gone from John Merrick Elephant Man to Sebastian Stan Man.

477
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,400
He's like the wilted soldier.

478
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,400
Unbelievable.

479
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,400
Come on.

480
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,400
I'm so proud of that.

481
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,400
Unbelievable.

482
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,400
That might be your best bit of writing ever.

483
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:16,400
The wilted soldier?

484
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,400
Yeah.

485
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,400
That's incredible.

486
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:25,400
But he basically, because people don't recognise him, he claims that the other guy died.

487
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,920
He's like, oh, Edward, yeah, he died.

488
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,560
I'm his friend, Guy.

489
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,200
And he creates this entirely new person.

490
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,400
He completely writes off his old existence and pretends to be a new person.

491
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,400
Yeah.

492
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,400
He embodies a new persona, new identity, new lifestyle, new everything.

493
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,400
And no one is the wiser.

494
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,740
And if that ain't a crying shame that the people that you live with in the same apartment

495
00:19:46,740 --> 00:19:51,800
building don't recognise your mannerisms or your personality at all because you've suddenly

496
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,440
lost a facial disfigurement, it's heartbreaking in itself.

497
00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,120
I think the first part of the film, we'll call this part one, internal Edward.

498
00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:02,120
Yeah.

499
00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,200
It's very much about how he feels about the world around him.

500
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,200
It is.

501
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,720
How he experiences the world and how that makes him feel.

502
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,640
So Edward is an aspiring actor.

503
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,240
He craves companionship.

504
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,520
He's very shy.

505
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,000
He's very reserved.

506
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,480
Like meek.

507
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,240
We see him living out his day to day life.

508
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,560
We see him shy away from social situations.

509
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,260
He's very aware of people's perception of him in public.

510
00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:29,800
We get a harrowing scene on the train where he just catches everyone either trying to

511
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,780
catch a glimpse or like openly mocking him.

512
00:20:32,780 --> 00:20:34,920
And it's disgusting.

513
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,040
We get all of this just fed to us.

514
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,040
It's immediate as well.

515
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,760
There's no buffer.

516
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,960
When he meets Renata, she comes into his apartment and he's got a typewriter that he's found

517
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,000
and he doesn't really know what to do with it because he's not a writer.

518
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,000
He's an actor.

519
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,920
But in order to test the typewriter's working, he's just written a thing.

520
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,800
And the thing he's written is a little sentence.

521
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,120
He says, they beg me to show my face only until they can turn away in horror.

522
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,120
Unbelievable.

523
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,120
Right.

524
00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:05,360
And he then gifts her the typewriter.

525
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,720
I'll come back to the typewriter because I've got an observation about Renata as a

526
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,000
character which broke me as well.

527
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000
Good.

528
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,320
Not good that it broke you, but good that you've got an observation.

529
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,320
Yeah.

530
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,080
Normally it's me that cries on this.

531
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,080
I don't cry.

532
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,080
I can't.

533
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,080
It's a problem.

534
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,080
I'm aware that's not healthy.

535
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,080
We'll see.

536
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040
So after the surgery, we've got Guy.

537
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,880
Guy is now a realtor.

538
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,680
He's into one night stands.

539
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,480
He's into getting blown in bar bathrooms.

540
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,480
He's confident.

541
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,480
He's out and about.

542
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,280
He's sort of strutting his stuff.

543
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,760
But what we get is this insane juxtaposition of the same struggles from a different angle.

544
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,280
He's gone from masking a physical difference to masking his reaction to completely losing

545
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:54,960
who he is in an uncontrollable desire to be quote unquote normal, but acceptable publicly.

546
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,600
He's had a thing that he thought was the problem, which was his face.

547
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,260
And the face has changed.

548
00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:07,720
But what hasn't changed is the sort of back catalogue of trauma and complexity and shyness

549
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,160
and self-hatred that the face caused.

550
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,120
And he does nothing to deal with that.

551
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,960
No, all the emotional stuff and all the trauma is still there.

552
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,400
He's just changed what he was blaming for the issues.

553
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,840
And there's all sorts of sort of subtle and not so subtle.

554
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,600
He's got a leak in his roof that keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

555
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,280
It starts before he has the surgery, but even after he has the surgery, it continues getting

556
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,280
worse.

557
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:38,320
It's this kind of representation of the insecurity and the self-hatred and the self-consciousness.

558
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:44,320
The Oswald character, who is this actor who essentially sort of slowly but surely replaces

559
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,680
him in the play about his own life, written by a woman who doesn't think he's the person

560
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,260
that she wrote it about, even though he is, he just looks different, sort of represents

561
00:22:55,260 --> 00:23:00,800
everything that he could have been if not for the personality issues that he had.

562
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,620
And Oswald is the proof that it wasn't really his face.

563
00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:07,480
It was how he chose to deal with that.

564
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:13,000
He became internalised, he became self-loathing, he became self-critical.

565
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,480
Here's a guy who's got all of the same problems that he had and everyone loves him.

566
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,400
Even the woman that he's dating ends up dating Oswald.

567
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,400
It's heartbreaking.

568
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,400
It is heartbreaking.

569
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,400
It's disgusting.

570
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,400
Yeah.

571
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:32,440
So, Aaron Schimberg, done a massive deep dive into this book.

572
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Sit down, strap in, the sad's off and prepare to learn something.

573
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,720
Right, okay.

574
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,840
I've done deep dive.

575
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,840
Why he made this film?

576
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,840
Right.

577
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,840
And this is all from him.

578
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,840
I don't know exactly where it started, but I wanted to work with Adam again.

579
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,480
Adam, in my last film, played a very mild-mannered character, but in person, in real life, he's

580
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,120
a very outgoing person.

581
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,280
So we wanted to write a part that would show off his range.

582
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,280
Right.

583
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,280
So that's Oswald, yeah.

584
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,280
That's one reason why I wrote this film.

585
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,880
Being differently abled himself, he has a cleft lip and a cleft palate.

586
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,880
Yeah.

587
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,720
And he wanted to hold the mirror up and sort of deal with his own battles and his own insecurities,

588
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,440
you know, his own struggle and all this stuff.

589
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,680
And another thing, his last film, Chained for Life, is about an actor who is struggling

590
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,800
to relate to her co-star who has a facial disfigurement played by Adam Pearson.

591
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:31,360
And people came out of that film and started saying that a few people said it was exploitative.

592
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,840
Right, okay.

593
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,840
Because of the casting.

594
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,840
Right.

595
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,880
And with a cleft palate and a lifelong condition, the criticism was stunning because having

596
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,960
differently abled people play themselves is exploitative.

597
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,960
Right.

598
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,380
And casting able-bodied actors as differently abled actors is wrong.

599
00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:53,120
So are differently abled people just not allowed to be represented in film anymore?

600
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,120
Or what's happening?

601
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:55,120
Apparently not.

602
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,120
Right?

603
00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:00,080
So he wanted to write this film and it be a believable struggle that people could look

604
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,400
at and go, I did not even consider these angles of the struggles that people go through.

605
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,560
Which is a fantastic way to make a film.

606
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,360
I've also got a little bit here on the inspiration of what this film tackles.

607
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:14,360
Right.

608
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,640
He cast Adam Pearson, obviously, because he's worked with him before.

609
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,640
He's a fantastic actor.

610
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,640
He's worked with him before.

611
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,640
Wanted to write him a new part.

612
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,800
There's a quote here that I found, which is eye-opening after watching this film.

613
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,800
Right.

614
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,640
And he's a person who doesn't seem to let anything hold him back, who is the life of

615
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,560
the party wherever he goes.

616
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,080
It's inspired me.

617
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,200
But it also gave me an identity crisis.

618
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,240
What could I have done differently?

619
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,880
Have I been wrong this whole time about myself?

620
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,800
Could I have lived my life differently?

621
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,400
Is it still possible for me to live my life differently?

622
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,680
Do I want to live my life differently?

623
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,680
Okay.

624
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,480
So these are all the questions that he was asking himself when he made friends with Adam

625
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,280
Pearson and was like, you're a great actor, I'm going to write you a part.

626
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,880
But he's a prick because he's made this film and now I'm thinking that.

627
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,880
Exactly.

628
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,880
And I hate it.

629
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,960
So long time listeners will know that a couple of years ago I had a major mental breakdown,

630
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080
ended up going out a window.

631
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,000
It's all in the show, all backwards, round about a cover of the episode, but it doesn't

632
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000
matter.

633
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,280
A lot of what I thought was happening at the time or thought happened for weeks and months

634
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,680
afterwards, I'm not even sure if that's true or real or whatever.

635
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,520
It was a very spicy time in my brain.

636
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:37,040
And it ended a 15 year period of me living in London and living in London as a sound

637
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,400
engineer and a music producer, which is something that I'd wanted to do since the age of about

638
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,400
15.

639
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,480
I was talking about my love of Nine Inch Nails in the previous episode.

640
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,660
My love for that band sparked a love of sound and making it.

641
00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:55,360
And since I was essentially a child, I knew what I wanted to do.

642
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,680
I knew what I wanted to be.

643
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,680
I had a mission and I got to London.

644
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,840
And after it all ended, there was such a sense of relief because I wasn't stressed anymore.

645
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,600
I wasn't as unwell anymore.

646
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560
I was in a quieter place.

647
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,200
And I've kind of felt like, oh, okay, well, you know, but the more and more, more and

648
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,360
more now, I think back and I was so happy in London for a long time.

649
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,840
I mean, at the end, of course, obviously I wasn't.

650
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,840
I was insane.

651
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:31,360
But when I got there in 2009, whenever it was, like so much good stuff happened.

652
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,400
I went to uni and I met you.

653
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,560
I finished uni.

654
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,240
I got a job doing sound at a dive bar, met a girl, had a great relationship with her,

655
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,360
which all of these ended.

656
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,560
But I'm happy that they happened.

657
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520
We didn't.

658
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,760
I met Led Zeppelin.

659
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,520
I worked with incredible bands.

660
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,040
I met Jason States, worked with them for years with them.

661
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,640
I worked with Jay Z, Stormzy, Rick Astley.

662
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Like it was the dream.

663
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,160
I made it, you know?

664
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,160
Yeah.

665
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,640
And I can't believe that that absolute dream became a nightmare.

666
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,720
And I lost my mind.

667
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:16,700
And then I had to end it all at the time, not necessarily literally, but like figuratively.

668
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:18,280
It was very much an ending.

669
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,960
And then I sort of burned that identity.

670
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,320
I had the facial reconstructive surgery and I went, right, I'm not a sound engineer anymore.

671
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,400
That's what I was since a child.

672
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,640
And it was a bad idea.

673
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,360
I shouldn't have done it.

674
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,640
And it wasn't right for me.

675
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,400
And so I came back to the countryside where for medical and financial reasons since then,

676
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,080
I've been living with a parent and I work as a chef now.

677
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,920
And it's been, like I say, it's been a relief.

678
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,800
It's been, I don't have to worry where the next paycheck is coming from.

679
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,200
I don't have to worry about the constant noise.

680
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Will I finish work before 3am?

681
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Why is channel 77 on the mixing desk distorting and is that client going to walk out because

682
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,920
of it?

683
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,640
How am I going to find my two grand for rent this month?

684
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,360
That all sounds massively, massively stressful.

685
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Right.

686
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,480
But here's the thing.

687
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,640
I've been here.

688
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,640
It's been peaceful.

689
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,640
It's been restful.

690
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,000
But now I'm finding the exact same thing.

691
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,560
I'm getting itchy feet.

692
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,200
I'm feeling a little bit trapped.

693
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,400
I'm planning my next move.

694
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,280
I'm going to try and move up towards Telford for you.

695
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,360
I'm trying another career change.

696
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,960
And then I watched this film and I'm like, is this what my life is going to be?

697
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,080
Just ripping my face off, burning my old identity and then just constantly having to shut the

698
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560
cup of door on what it used to be.

699
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Because I can't speak to old friends that I had a very healthy, very close, very nourishing

700
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,200
support network of friends in London.

701
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,560
And I can't talk to them because they're all Oswald.

702
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,640
They're all in the exact same space that I was in and they're thriving and they're wearing

703
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,360
lovely shirts and they're getting roles I dreamed of on a stage that I wanted to live

704
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,600
my entire life on.

705
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:05,200
And at the end of this film where Edward is the same man that he's always been, just older

706
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,240
and lonelier and stuck, realizing that the problem wasn't his face, it wasn't the world,

707
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,920
it was always and will always be him.

708
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:22,080
And I'm sat there going, thanks Adam Schimberg, you prick.

709
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Glad Ben picked this one.

710
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,720
Right.

711
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840
There's a lot to unpack there.

712
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,640
I don't think I can sum it up as well as Sebastian Stan does.

713
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:37,360
I think there's a bit that he said about the film that kind of encapsulates the notion

714
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,360
of this.

715
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,520
We stan Sebastian Stan.

716
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Okay, so this is a direct quote from Sebastian Stan.

717
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,520
I was going to save it till later, but this seems like the opportune moment.

718
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,640
Be more curious about the way you think or be more curious about why you are the way

719
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,640
you are.

720
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,640
I want to challenge people to maybe look at that.

721
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,840
It's very easy to suppress, to deny or sort of not deal with something because it's uncomfortable

722
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,840
or it's difficult.

723
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,280
But whatever the reaction is that you're having, not just to this film, when you're thinking

724
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,120
you know the answer to something, wonder whether you really do.

725
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,760
Because discomfort is good, it means you're growing and it all needs to change.

726
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,760
That's just what life is.

727
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Yeah, well, what does he know?

728
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,440
He's the wilted soldier.

729
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,440
He's the wilted soldier.

730
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,440
I'm not listening to him.

731
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,960
It was too accurate and it was too on the nose and now I'm rejecting it because I won't

732
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,960
be told then.

733
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640
I won't be told.

734
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:35,640
The fact that Sebastian Stan takes on a film role and then gives an interview where he

735
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,700
can quell people's immediate reactions without knowing them makes me think he might be some

736
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,600
sort of demigod wizard person.

737
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360
I had a similar thing to you, mate.

738
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,720
I freaked out at the end of this film because I was like, I'm cooked.

739
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,000
I don't know what I'm doing.

740
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,200
I'm just constantly masking.

741
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,760
I can't cope with what's going on right now.

742
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,200
And then there's tiny little things.

743
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,200
You phoned me yesterday.

744
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,200
I was at the hospital.

745
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,480
You sent me a voice note saying that you were proud of me because I'd broken a lifelong

746
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,040
habit and I was doing something about my lung, which I would have ignored for years.

747
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,040
I wouldn't have cared.

748
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Do you know what I mean?

749
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,040
At all.

750
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,480
But that thing meant the world to me in a way.

751
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,880
I know it's a stupid little voice note and it's like a throwaway thing, but to me it

752
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,520
was everything.

753
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,280
And it's because of that, because I'm horribly uncomfortable, but I know that you've got

754
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440
my back going through it all.

755
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,640
Whatever it was before or wherever I was before was amazing for past Ben, who was drinking

756
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,520
a bottle of whiskey a day, who was taking drugs to try and escape reality.

757
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,520
All this stuff, right?

758
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,520
Yeah.

759
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,960
But I'm not that Ben anymore.

760
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,440
Now I'm 36 year old sitting in front of a collection of blue raisin figurines.

761
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,760
End of personality.

762
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,000
You know what I mean?

763
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,560
No, I mean, that's not true.

764
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,880
It's hilarious, but it's not true.

765
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,800
I genuinely feel like you've completed level one.

766
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,800
You smashed it.

767
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,920
You knocked out the park.

768
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,920
You completed level one.

769
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,040
You were like, oh, I want to be a record producer.

770
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,880
And then just casually did it like it was nothing.

771
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,360
It made everyone else infuriated.

772
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,500
But then also you got to that point where everyone around you was like, they're still

773
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,800
not at the peak.

774
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,840
Whereas you hit the glass ceiling straight away and was just sort of like, yeah, I'm

775
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,840
done.

776
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Nah, it was worse than that.

777
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840
It was worse than that.

778
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,280
It's the, any, any, any job is work.

779
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,840
That's why you get paid for it.

780
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Of course.

781
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,840
There is no job on this planet.

782
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,880
If we continue doing this and it grows over time and it gets to a point where we can sack

783
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,360
off full time employment and do this, it will be no easier than the jobs we have now.

784
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,720
It will in fact be a lot harder.

785
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Yeah, of course.

786
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,200
It will be the worst possible thing that could happen for us.

787
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,960
Being in that position where every, I was having a horrible time because I was turning

788
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:58,140
up at 10 PM to wait for a client who wouldn't turn up until 3 AM if they even turned up.

789
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,120
It was work and it was horrible and it was stressful.

790
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,520
And I was constantly terrified that I wasn't enough or I wasn't doing it right or that

791
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,060
I wasn't working hard enough or that I was working too hard.

792
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:15,920
Because when you're making something creative, there's no box that you can tick.

793
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,320
Like I used to feel for the musicians who'd write a song, they'd have no idea how to write

794
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,320
a song.

795
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
They'd just give it a go and it would become a massive hit.

796
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,520
And then everyone would go, now do it again.

797
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,400
And they'd go, I don't know how.

798
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,200
I don't know how I did it the first time.

799
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,280
And they're like, yeah, but you lose everything if you don't do it a second time.

800
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280
Terrifying.

801
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,640
And that's where everyone is that does something creative.

802
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,520
And to have your rent paid that way is brilliant.

803
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,240
But then everyone turns around and goes, oh, you're lucky bugger.

804
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,840
You live in the dream.

805
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,080
Must just be great.

806
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Must just be great.

807
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,240
Like you're just, ah, I envy you so much.

808
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,240
It must be brilliant.

809
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:54,040
And if you go, actually, it's a bit rubbish to go, oh, it's not though, is it?

810
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,400
Because you're not in a factory.

811
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,400
Yeah.

812
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,320
No, I know exactly what you're saying.

813
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,320
And they're right.

814
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,760
I'm not, you know, there's a million and one things that I now miss because I now I am

815
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,760
in a factory.

816
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,760
Yeah.

817
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,680
But you're in a factory, but also you're self-aware enough to look back on all of that stuff and

818
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,280
realize that, you know what I mean?

819
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Chasing the dream down from when you were 15, 15 year old Rob, 1000% that was for him.

820
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,680
Yeah, exactly.

821
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,480
But what business does a 34 year old have doing a 15 year old's business plan?

822
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680
This is what I'm saying.

823
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,920
So all you're doing right now is you're in a difficult spot because it's like a growth

824
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,920
stage.

825
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,720
It's a change stage where you're figuring out what 36 year old Rob wants to be doing.

826
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,440
I've got no idea what I want to do or who I am and what I can do.

827
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,600
And I don't like, I am in a position where I'm angry all the time and nothing makes me

828
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160
happy and everything stinks of shit.

829
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,260
And I'm like, hang about if everything stinks of shit, maybe it's my shoes.

830
00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:51,900
Maybe I'm the shit.

831
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:53,960
Maybe what I'm smelling is me.

832
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Okay.

833
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,200
First off, fantastic use of that phrase.

834
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,980
That's essentially how I live my life now.

835
00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:06,000
Second of all, I'm low key really excited for you.

836
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Okay.

837
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000
That's terrifying.

838
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
No, it's not.

839
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000
I'm just genuinely...

840
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000
The shotgun or the toaster?

841
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000
No, no, no, no, no.

842
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,320
Because I think it's fun to flirt with these ideas and crack these jokes and stuff.

843
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,880
But you're at a point where the stuff that you talk to me about is big.

844
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,760
And I don't think you appreciate how big it truly is to sit and stare in the mirror.

845
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,240
Right now you're not masking.

846
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,240
You're not hiding from stuff.

847
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,240
You're not avoiding stuff.

848
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,240
You're sitting in the mess.

849
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,860
You're staring at the mess and you're going, how do I deal with the mess?

850
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:38,040
And that is the biggest thing that I think anyone could ever do ever because it's so

851
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,320
hard.

852
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,560
It sucks.

853
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,120
It's the worst thing.

854
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,400
It's also self-indulgent, man.

855
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,400
It has to be.

856
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
You have to be.

857
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,520
At some point you have to be.

858
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,760
You can't run around pleasing everyone else, questioning whether you're doing enough for

859
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,400
someone else for the rest of your life.

860
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560
Because otherwise you're going to end up in an even worse position now.

861
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,560
You're taking charge.

862
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,560
You're holding the reins.

863
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,040
And for the first time in a long while, you're going, maybe I don't just mask it all with

864
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,240
drinking drugs and going out and doing whatever.

865
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,040
No, and I've not done that for a long time.

866
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,040
You haven't.

867
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,560
I'm incredibly proud of you for that.

868
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Well, I'm not so...

869
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,560
I don't say it enough.

870
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,560
Don't get me wrong.

871
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560
I still partake, but it's not compulsive.

872
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,760
I'm doing this on a Tuesday afternoon because that means I don't have to think.

873
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,000
It's like, no, I'm with company and it's a special event.

874
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Exactly.

875
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
So you've got a control on it and a handle on it that I could never grasp.

876
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
So I had to go...

877
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
But then I think...

878
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Absolutely no.

879
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Absolute zero.

880
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:37,360
The thing about this is that you used substances to do exactly what I did and were also alcoholic

881
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,320
and an addict where I was masking and gained an addiction.

882
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,880
I don't have the genetic compulsion to keep drinking that you might.

883
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Do you know what I mean?

884
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:51,800
Like mine was a coping mechanism that I could step away from, which is why I don't have

885
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,600
to be sober, if that makes sense.

886
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Yeah, no it does.

887
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,600
Yet.

888
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,600
I hasten to add, yet.

889
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,600
Maybe.

890
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,600
This time.

891
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,520
You're not going to hear me out now, you might just be built different.

892
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,520
You know what I mean?

893
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Maybe, maybe, maybe.

894
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,520
You might be him.

895
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,520
You know what I mean?

896
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,720
That might be your new calling.

897
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,480
I can just walk around and see a man on the street and just go pathetic.

898
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,840
I'm glad that that's what you took away from this film.

899
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,920
The film that teaches everyone not to judge.

900
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,920
You're like pathetic.

901
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,040
Just going to look at a homeless man and go, weak.

902
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Jesus Christ.

903
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,880
I'm not going to give money to a man who can't handle the sesh.

904
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,760
I'm sorry you didn't get up at 4am and start a business this morning.

905
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,760
How do you even day trade?

906
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,760
Do you know what I mean?

907
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,760
Jesus.

908
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,760
Get a grass buddy.

909
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,760
Get crypto.

910
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,760
You know what I mean?

911
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,320
Last time I gave money to a homeless person was in London.

912
00:38:39,320 --> 00:39:02,080
Well, Bud, I love you wholeheartedly.

913
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,600
This has been eventful and unexpected.

914
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,840
I love this.

915
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,240
Also, I don't often open up because this is unexpected.

916
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,080
I've loved this.

917
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,240
I'm so proud of you.

918
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:13,240
It's unreal.

919
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,240
Unreal.

920
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,040
Also, I am going to get us back onto the film.

921
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,040
Yeah.

922
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Can you?

923
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Can you?

924
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Because I'm sweating bullets right now.

925
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,040
No, I can see it.

926
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,040
You're so uncomfortable.

927
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,040
It's glorious.

928
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,800
Because the shoe's normally on the other foot and it's been on the other foot for about

929
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,800
two years.

930
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,800
Yeah.

931
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,800
Hated every second of it.

932
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,760
Welcome to the show, Bud.

933
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,720
So casting Sebastian Stan.

934
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,480
What a transition that was.

935
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,480
More of that to come.

936
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Absolutely brilliant, mate.

937
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,480
Smooth like butter.

938
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Right?

939
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Well, Sebastian actually came to Aaron Schimberg.

940
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,160
Scripts was out and about as scripts normally do.

941
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,320
They circulate, try and gather some interest.

942
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,000
They go out to different agencies and this, that and the other.

943
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,920
Sebastian got the script, said he was interested.

944
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,360
Aaron Schimberg heard this and was like, yeah, but it's Sebastian Stan.

945
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,320
People get interested and then walk away all the time.

946
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,520
I'm not putting any eggs in that basket.

947
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,520
He's incredible.

948
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Yeah.

949
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,920
So then Sebastian set up a conversation with Aaron Schimberg and was like, I love this

950
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,920
script.

951
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Right.

952
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,480
They had a conversation and at the end of it, Aaron was like, okay, so Sebastian Stan

953
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,480
is the one person I've spoken to that really understands what I'm trying to say with the

954
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,480
script.

955
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,840
I love the idea of Sebastian Stan just like floating around Hollywood, like some sort

956
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,800
of fairy godfather being like, I'll lift this script from obscurity because I love it.

957
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,800
Right?

958
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,800
Yeah.

959
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,800
It's essentially what he did.

960
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,840
I mean, I think that's a father sounds like a gay porn parody of a Scorsese movie.

961
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,840
It's already on my watch list.

962
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,840
It's fine.

963
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:47,000
But Sebastian Stan, Aaron Schimberg said about Sebastian Stan, he was like, it felt like during

964
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,840
the conversation that he was picking up this, that Sebastian wanted to take on the role

965
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,720
to sort of deal with some unkept trauma, some unprocessed trauma that he had dealing inside

966
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,200
of him that he doesn't really get a chance to let loose in other roles.

967
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,720
Well, he does look particularly distressing, doesn't he?

968
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:03,720
I'm sure.

969
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:04,720
He's the wilted soldier, mate.

970
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,720
Right.

971
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:06,720
He probably walks around just going, I'm hideous.

972
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:12,920
But yeah, so he had his own thing to take on.

973
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,200
Aaron wanted to see where that went.

974
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,680
And this is what we got, which is insane.

975
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,560
But not only did he cast Sebastian based on that, Sebastian went above and beyond for

976
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,560
this film.

977
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,560
He went all out.

978
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,000
He is responsible for getting A24 on board as distributor, which is incredible.

979
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Yeah.

980
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Oh, that was not, that was not.

981
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,320
I spoke too soon.

982
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,320
Now I hate myself.

983
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,320
Get in the pit with me, boy.

984
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Look at you.

985
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,320
Tiny eyes of a crab just disappeared behind this.

986
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,320
I put on weight.

987
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,320
They're getting smaller.

988
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,320
Enormous smile.

989
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,320
God, you're gorgeous.

990
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,320
Look at you.

991
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,320
Look at you.

992
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,320
Like a freshly wanked cock.

993
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:55,320
It's because I've gone pink because we're talking about me and I don't like it.

994
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,240
Sebastian Stan also went out of his way to reach out to Mike Marino, the prosthetic artist

995
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,960
on this film who did all the, you know, the makeup and effects to work well under his

996
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,680
budget just so that they could get the film done to the, to the standard that they felt

997
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:15,600
it deserved, which again, Sebastian Stan might be some sort of demigod wizard man.

998
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Fairy godfather.

999
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,600
That's insane.

1000
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,600
Fairy godfather.

1001
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Yes.

1002
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,240
It's just every day is a wedding in Sebastian Stan's world.

1003
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,040
Yeah, exactly.

1004
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,560
So Sebastian took on the film, he read the script, he found it super complicated, very

1005
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,080
complex script, very detailed, revealing new things in a very subtle way.

1006
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Scene by scene.

1007
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,520
He couldn't pass on it.

1008
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,520
Right.

1009
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,520
So about that complexity.

1010
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,520
Yes.

1011
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,320
I want to, I want to pick up one of, I'll just pick a, I've picked a bit of the film.

1012
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Any bit of this film is as complex as this.

1013
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,400
And when you watch it, but certainly when I watched it, I did not get half of this.

1014
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,880
I had to go through, I had to research it, I had to rewatch bits.

1015
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,960
I had to fucking, it was insane.

1016
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Okay.

1017
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,960
The playwright Ingrid.

1018
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:07,680
So Edward, as his physically disabled self gets a neighbor who's a playwright who invites

1019
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,000
herself around and very quickly gets familiar.

1020
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400
She notices this little thing on the typewriter.

1021
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,000
They begged me to show my face only until they can turn away in horror.

1022
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,400
And then they have a chat and she asks him directly about, you know, what's up with your

1023
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,400
face.

1024
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,160
And then he explains and then they sort of become friends.

1025
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:32,320
And then some time passes and there's a moment where he sort of gets the sense that there

1026
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,280
might be a vibe because it's kind of depicted that there might be a vibe.

1027
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280
Yeah.

1028
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,800
And then she immediately sort of recoils back.

1029
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,800
Right.

1030
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,060
And she, she basically ends the friendship there.

1031
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:46,360
He goes gets herself immediately.

1032
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:53,160
He then goes, gets his surgery some time later, says that Edward's died and starts being

1033
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,440
gay, gets cast in her play that she's written about this guy, Edward that she used to know.

1034
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,440
Yeah.

1035
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,440
Right.

1036
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,440
Super messed up.

1037
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,760
Uh, so it's a little bit like that moment of vulnerability that he shows is Ingrid

1038
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,920
begging Edward to show him, show her his true face.

1039
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,520
And the second he does, what does she do?

1040
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,600
She turns away in horror.

1041
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,500
Exactly like the little poem on the typewriter said.

1042
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:25,120
The typewriter, he gifts to her when he bumps into her again, she can't remember where she

1043
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,120
got it from.

1044
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,480
And she's in fact regifts it later in the film.

1045
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,320
She regifts it to Oswald, the guy who ends up bugging him out.

1046
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:41,220
While she's dating Guy, the now attractive Sebastian Stanman version of Edward, she,

1047
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:46,440
she kind of idolizes this fictional Edward, not realizing that she's with the same guy.

1048
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,440
Yeah.

1049
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,240
Uh, she has a point where she's like, I'll go get the mask when they're in bed.

1050
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,240
They're having sex.

1051
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,320
She's like, I'll go get the mask.

1052
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,680
But it's not because she loves him as a person.

1053
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,960
It's because she loves the fictional version of Edward that she's created.

1054
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,960
Yes.

1055
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,320
It's a kind of narcissist.

1056
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,960
She's created this rose tinted spectacles version of what Edward was.

1057
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,960
Yeah.

1058
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,240
Edited her own role in the history and then wants to reconnect with that.

1059
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,320
And she doesn't know that she's got the same man between her legs.

1060
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,360
And she ends up laughing him off because it's ridiculous.

1061
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,360
Except when Oswald comes along and then she projects all of that fictional Edward stuff,

1062
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,780
all of the qualities of fictional Edward that factual Edward never had, she projects onto

1063
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:34,860
Oswald and then falls in love with him.

1064
00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:39,040
It's such a deeply layered complex.

1065
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,360
Doesn't make sense when we tell you about it, but just watch the goddamn film already.

1066
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,360
You should have seen it.

1067
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,080
If you're this far into the podcast, you have a thousand percents in it by now.

1068
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,680
Because if not, what are you doing?

1069
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Right.

1070
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,680
What are you doing?

1071
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:59,320
That level of her as a character having her narcissism portrayed by not being able to

1072
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,880
love the real Edward because the real Edward's got real problems and real insecurities that

1073
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,240
she'd have to help him with.

1074
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:12,160
But fictional Edward can be a little manic pixie dream boy who is a little wilted soldier

1075
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,600
that she can mother and fix without having to actually do any of the work for.

1076
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,640
She doesn't have to deal with any of the fallout or any of the actual work.

1077
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,640
It's insane.

1078
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,640
You're right.

1079
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,720
And then when Oswald comes along and doesn't have any of those problems, it's perfect because

1080
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,760
she gets to virtue signal by being with a bloke who's perfectly functional.

1081
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:36,320
You've just taught me into hating this woman.

1082
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,840
She plays a role incredible, incredible.

1083
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,520
As does Adam Pearson.

1084
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,600
I think we need to take a moment to just realise how incredible Sebastian Stan is in this film,

1085
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:53,120
because it might be the most meta role I've ever seen an actor play ever.

1086
00:46:53,120 --> 00:47:02,840
Because Sebastian Stan is an actor who is playing a guy acting as a different guy whilst

1087
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,760
trying to be an actor.

1088
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,200
He's the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.

1089
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,720
Sebastian to play the original dude.

1090
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:12,720
Yes.

1091
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,800
That is the most meta thing that I can think of.

1092
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,120
And what I found out about this film is that it was shot so out of sequence that on a day

1093
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:24,600
to day basis, Sebastian would flip between being Edward and being Guy.

1094
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:30,200
So the fact that he managed to pull this off whilst one day being Edward and one day being

1095
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:36,440
Guy and then just keep role reversing is insane to me that he can keep track of any of this.

1096
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,360
It's mental because I barely kept track of the film.

1097
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,360
I've watched it thrice.

1098
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,880
I've watched this three times.

1099
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,240
Third time through I was like, I know what's happening.

1100
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,600
Still broke me down into a million pieces and built me back up by the end.

1101
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,600
It just happened.

1102
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:55,520
I went in so confident third time, ruined me on a different level that I was not expecting.

1103
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,520
Again, I'm ready for it.

1104
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,520
I'm prepared for it.

1105
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,520
Yeah, totally.

1106
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,320
If you haven't seen this film yet, this is your preparation warning.

1107
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,320
Eat a little bit.

1108
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,320
Have a nap.

1109
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,320
Wake up.

1110
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,320
Sit upright.

1111
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,320
Pay attention.

1112
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,320
Sit upright.

1113
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Anyone who's tuned in at this point and hasn't seen the film is never going to and it's their

1114
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,080
loss.

1115
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Yeah, that's fine.

1116
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,080
That's fine.

1117
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,320
But you do get to see full front all nudity of Sebastian Stan for an extended period of

1118
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,320
time.

1119
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,320
If that's going to sway you.

1120
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,320
We do.

1121
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,560
You do get to see his little bishop in a turtleneck.

1122
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,560
We do.

1123
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,560
Carrying the shopping.

1124
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,600
We see Sebastian Stan's peen.

1125
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,600
Yeah.

1126
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,600
Carrying the shopping.

1127
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Oh balls.

1128
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Yeah, there you go.

1129
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,600
I see.

1130
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,600
Dude, that caught me off guard.

1131
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Look at you.

1132
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,600
With your clever ball play.

1133
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,240
I've got a little bit here from Aaron Schimberg.

1134
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,440
Don't call it that.

1135
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,160
So I've got a little bit from Aaron Schimberg on Edward and I've got a little bit from Aaron

1136
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,720
on Guy.

1137
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:47,720
Right.

1138
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:51,640
Edward is a more classic version of what we think of as the disfigured character.

1139
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,640
Yes.

1140
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,920
The way that you internalize that trauma and the way that it damages him for life.

1141
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Yeah.

1142
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Now, Aaron Schimberg on Guy.

1143
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,840
The way that we judge others is the way that we view ourselves.

1144
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,880
For half of the movie, Edward is looking at Oswald and thinking about himself.

1145
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,560
He's thinking about his disfigurement, but it's also a way of thinking about how other

1146
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,440
people look at disfigurement.

1147
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,880
They're looking at somebody who's disfigured, who's thriving, and they don't know how to

1148
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,200
feel about it.

1149
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,320
Is this fair?

1150
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,400
Is this person really thriving?

1151
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,520
Does this person deserve to thrive?

1152
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,520
Right.

1153
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,080
Are they taking something from me?

1154
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,080
Right.

1155
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,080
How can you be thriving with that?

1156
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:34,640
How come this woman loves him and not me when I'm more attractive?

1157
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,000
The fact that he's written this film whilst holding a mirror up to his own insecurities

1158
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,400
and his own battles, his own traumas, and he's been this vulnerable with it is mind

1159
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,520
blowing to me.

1160
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,360
This guy has laid everything out on the line completely open and honestly, and it's the

1161
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,480
most refreshing film I've seen in years.

1162
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:03,560
It was a strange first watch because I was expecting as it gets more and more surreal,

1163
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:10,320
it begins to make less sense as a linear narrative and it begins to make more sense as a parable

1164
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,320
or a metaphor.

1165
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Yes.

1166
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:18,520
But then the way it ends is so unresolved that you begin to go, what?

1167
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,080
That doesn't tell me anything.

1168
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,680
It's only really on rewatches that you realise that it does.

1169
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,120
But there's so many little nuggets in there, like there's a neighbour that he sees with

1170
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,160
a really attractive woman, but then the neighbour's later seen killing himself and you're like,

1171
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,160
what does that mean?

1172
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,520
And on repeat watchings, you're like, oh, he's externalising that that guy must be happy.

1173
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:38,520
Look at who he's with.

1174
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,480
But then it turns out the guy's not happy, he's suicidal.

1175
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,960
And that from an external point of view, you can't tell what's going on on the internal

1176
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,960
point of view.

1177
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,960
That's exactly it.

1178
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,960
There you go.

1179
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Brilliant.

1180
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,880
But in the first watch, you're just like, what is happening and why?

1181
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,520
This is just random, random bits of...

1182
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:02,160
It's like I've got that bag of 1000 tiny plastic babies that I was going to use in case I ever

1183
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,800
couldn't win an argument and I could just throw babies.

1184
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,280
And it's like a subtext version of that.

1185
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,760
It's just like, blah, subtext.

1186
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,760
Be impressed.

1187
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,120
And you're like, well, that's just shotgun nonsense.

1188
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,320
And then as you slowly rewatch it and you realign with it, you're like, oh no, everything

1189
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,040
here has meaning.

1190
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:25,640
And it's pinned by excellent performances and it's just a bastard of a film.

1191
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,640
It really is.

1192
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,480
It's a monster to tackle with.

1193
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,280
You're not going into this for an enjoyment.

1194
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,280
You're going into this.

1195
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,880
It's a heavy, heavy film.

1196
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,960
With some hilarious moments.

1197
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,560
It's gorgeously funny.

1198
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,400
There are so many parts of this that are like outrageously funny for all the wrong reasons.

1199
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,520
I won't do it with the Lincoln assassination conversation.

1200
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,200
Yeah, right there in the booth.

1201
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,360
It had me in bits.

1202
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,360
It's just a good film.

1203
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,360
Just go watch the film.

1204
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,360
Right in the booth.

1205
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,520
It's incredible.

1206
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,840
How much did this make, Ben?

1207
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,280
Because we think it cost half a million.

1208
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,240
I can't imagine a niche, a niche, even for A24.

1209
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:20,320
Because everyone's going to go, I'm sure everyone went in expecting Shrek and got David Lynch.

1210
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,320
So like...

1211
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1212
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:27,640
So this made 1.14 million at the box office.

1213
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Which is an absolute result.

1214
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,640
I hate it.

1215
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,640
I hate it so much.

1216
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,000
I buy into it every time.

1217
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Every time.

1218
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,080
Well, the reason I love it is that the next time you watch an A24 movie, you're going

1219
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,080
to hear it.

1220
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,080
No, I'm not.

1221
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,560
I'm not going to watch A24 ever again, just in case.

1222
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,160
It got 1.14 million at the box office and it received massive critical success.

1223
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,920
I said earlier, it received 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.

1224
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,320
It also got a 79 out of 100 on Metacritic, which is a respectable...

1225
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,720
Metacritic's such a better indicator because Rotten Tomatoes just judges if it's a positive

1226
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,720
or a negative review and then gives you what percentage.

1227
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:11,320
So if it gets 10, 51% reviews, 100% Rotten Tomatoes.

1228
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,960
Yeah, it's all positive.

1229
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:13,960
That's what I'm saying.

1230
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,760
Metacritic, way more accurate.

1231
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,760
That's insane.

1232
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,360
79 out of 100 for this one, bud.

1233
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,000
And it's 100% deserved.

1234
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,680
100% deserved.

1235
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,480
I have one bit, one closing thought, I guess, would be the thing.

1236
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,800
There's a moment at the end of the film where it takes a sharp left turn.

1237
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,440
Sebastian's been in an accident.

1238
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,440
He's in casts.

1239
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,840
He's learning to re-walk.

1240
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,840
And whilst he's learning to do this, obviously Oswald has taken him in and is looking after

1241
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,280
him and making sure that he's getting everything that he needs.

1242
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,360
His physiotherapist is teaching him how to walk.

1243
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,360
Again starts cracking like...

1244
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,840
Disabled person jokes.

1245
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,480
Awful commentary on Oswald's face.

1246
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,760
Sebastian Stan, our guy, guy.

1247
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,120
He stabs him square in the chest.

1248
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,120
He does.

1249
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:07,040
And when that happened, I've never felt such righteous pride flow through my body in any

1250
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,040
moment.

1251
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:13,200
In that moment for me, he's looking his old self in the face and he's realizing that it

1252
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,520
wasn't his face that was causing him the issues.

1253
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,240
It was all the surrounding issues around this.

1254
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,440
It's a commentary on how society views differently abled people.

1255
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,840
And how that makes them view themselves.

1256
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,840
Exactly.

1257
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:31,520
And then when this complete stranger starts cracking jokes about his old face, his own

1258
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:37,200
face on someone else's body, he's like, yeah, you think this is how to go?

1259
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Yeah?

1260
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,200
Alright, yeah, sound.

1261
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,960
I was so lost in the confusion of the David Lynchian bizarreness of the film.

1262
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,200
I was just like, what is happening?

1263
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,600
Only in the days following that I was like, oh, okay, that's satisfying.

1264
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,160
At the time, I was just like, what?

1265
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,000
It had all of my synapses firing and it had all the endorphins flowing.

1266
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:04,040
And I was like, not only have you ruined everything to change everything about your physical appearance,

1267
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:12,600
now you're willing to go to jail, serve your time and then reconnect just to protect the

1268
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,920
dignity of people.

1269
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,240
Like a thrown away comment from some complete random stranger.

1270
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,240
It's gorgeous.

1271
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:20,240
It's beautiful.

1272
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:21,240
It's a wonderful moment.

1273
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,920
It's an outrageous moment, but it's incredible.

1274
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,920
It's literally incredible.

1275
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,920
That's my closing thought.

1276
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:33,360
I think the better part of it for me is that Oswald is more confident, more at home in

1277
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,960
his own skin, guys in the flat at the time.

1278
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,080
And he comes out and he goes, oh, I heard a noise and doesn't notice, doesn't know.

1279
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,160
So Edward's worst moment is beneath Oswald's notice.

1280
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,160
And that's entirely the relationship between them.

1281
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:55,760
Oswald just skates around not being stuck in the mud, not being in the trenches of what's

1282
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,760
going on.

1283
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,560
Something can happen where a murder occurs and he's just like, he's Mr. Peanut Butter

1284
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,200
from BoJack Horseman.

1285
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,680
That's what Oswald says.

1286
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,240
But my closing thought on this whole film is that it gives inspiration to sit in the

1287
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:16,960
muck for a bit, deal with your issues and talk to the people you love and try and process

1288
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,680
the traumas that you have and then work through your issues to stop you stabbing a physiotherapist

1289
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,600
square in the chest.

1290
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,600
If that isn't a lesson that I feel like Hollywood is missing out on and that lesson needs to

1291
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,040
be taught a bit more, maybe.

1292
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,360
I think that's it.

1293
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,360
You know what I mean?

1294
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,360
That's a good lesson.

1295
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,360
That's where I'm thriving, man.

1296
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,800
Because I could really stab a physiotherapist right now.

1297
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,800
I'm at that point.

1298
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,080
I'm seeing you on Saturday.

1299
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,080
I'm trying not to insult you.

1300
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,080
You know what I mean?

1301
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,920
It's fat tens all around from both of us, right?

1302
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,920
That's the rating.

1303
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,920
Fat ten.

1304
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,920
Obvious fat ten.

1305
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:51,920
Obvious fat ten.

1306
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,080
This is one of the best films I've seen this year.

1307
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Yeah, I would agree.

1308
00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:02,600
It's one of the most difficult films I've watched this year and it's very rare that a

1309
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:10,040
film has prompted me to open up because as far as vulnerability goes with me, I feel

1310
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:16,640
like you lot all beg me to show my face and when this goes live, I can't wait to see you

1311
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
all turn away in horror.

1312
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,800
This sounds like a challenge now, man.

1313
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,480
You're going to get hugged to nothing on Saturday, buddy.

1314
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,480
I hate that.

1315
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,160
I'm a hugger when I'm masking.

1316
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,560
I love hugging other people.

1317
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,560
I despise being hugged.

1318
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,560
Yeah, tough sh**, bud.

1319
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Okay, let me put it a different way.

1320
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,680
I love going down on people.

1321
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,160
I hate being gone down on.

1322
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,160
Yeah, that's fine.

1323
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,160
That's a physical thing.

1324
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,160
I thought I could trap you in.

1325
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,160
I thought I could trap you.

1326
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,160
Bro, you're my hetero wife.

1327
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,160
You know what I mean?

1328
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,160
You're my man wife.

1329
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,160
There's no love there.

1330
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,160
There's no physical love there.

1331
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:00,040
Like any marriage, it's a dead bedroom.

1332
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,760
Oh my God.

1333
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,520
I'm going to skip comment corner this week because I want to do something special next

1334
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,560
week with our Patreon.

1335
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,960
Yes, we've also got a story from Tariq that I want to read out that we were supposed to

1336
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,800
read out about the time he went to go see the social network and we covered the social

1337
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,120
network and totally forgot that he'd sent it to us because he sent it to us about 10

1338
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880
days before we recorded and apparently that's longer than our memory buffers.

1339
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,800
So he's so well prepared that it out prepared us.

1340
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,960
You need to send it like 38 hours.

1341
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,240
Maximum is 38 hours before we record.

1342
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,800
That's when we're in like deep research mode for this.

1343
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,800
You know what I mean?

1344
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:39,800
Right.

1345
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,800
Yeah.

1346
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,800
100%.

1347
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:42,800
All right.

1348
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,800
So what I'm going to do next week.

1349
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,800
We'll do comment corner.

1350
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,800
We should mention we've got a quiz.

1351
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,800
We do.

1352
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,120
Which you should have heard.

1353
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,640
We hopefully live streamed it and if we live streamed it, there's possible that there's

1354
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,640
a recording.

1355
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,440
Check our socials.

1356
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,400
Check our socials because it would have been fun and I'm hoping that we streamed it.

1357
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,400
We'll let you know.

1358
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,520
If not, you've missed out, we will be doing one again soon.

1359
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,200
We will keep you updated on that.

1360
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,160
Oh, have I not told you?

1361
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,160
No.

1362
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,160
Okay.

1363
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,160
Poiler.

1364
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,160
Wicked.

1365
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,640
That's all the time we got.

1366
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,120
That is unfortunately guys.

1367
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,120
This is all the time we have.

1368
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,280
We love and appreciate each and every one of you more than you'll ever know.

1369
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:26,120
If you, if you want to help the show out, feel free to jump over to Patreon, chuck a

1370
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,120
quid.

1371
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,520
There's a bunch of extra content on there for you.

1372
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,520
There really is.

1373
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,680
There's a few more, few more avenues where we post stuff.

1374
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,800
Well, the deal was is that we, we would keep the like 15, 20 minutes of chaos stuff and

1375
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,560
like the personal stuff that we normally edit out of the show.

1376
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:44,560
We'd upload that every week.

1377
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,080
But what that's meant is it's supposed to be an extra 15 minutes a week.

1378
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,840
There's over like, in its first month, there's, there's well over an hour and a half of extra

1379
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:57,440
content and video stuff and you get to choose, like we're, we're smashing it on Patreon at

1380
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,440
the moment.

1381
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,440
I'm really happy with it.

1382
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,440
I love going into it.

1383
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,440
A lot of love going into it.

1384
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,800
But also if you, if you can't support us on Patreon, you don't want to support us on Patreon,

1385
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,320
that's completely fine.

1386
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,320
Completely fine.

1387
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,960
If you can tell a friend about the show, give us a rating, a five star rating anywhere that

1388
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:12,960
you listen to the show.

1389
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,600
That would help out immensely.

1390
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,200
You have no clue how much that helps us.

1391
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,200
Yeah.

1392
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,520
But we do love and appreciate each and every one of you more than you know.

1393
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,000
Thank you so much for hanging out with us.

1394
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000
Thank you.

1395
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,320
And to thank you properly for spending an hour of your time with us.

1396
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,680
It's not a short amount of time and it's usually at the start of the week.

1397
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,080
We know a lot of you listen on a Monday.

1398
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,680
So Ben is now going to thank you for spending that hour with us by wrapping the thoughts,

1399
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:43,960
themes and feeling of this week's episode into a Monday motivational pep talk.

1400
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,960
While I just tell you to consume.

1401
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,560
I can't do it better than Sebastian Stankhans.

1402
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,680
So be more curious about the way that you think or be more curious about the way that

1403
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,680
you are.

1404
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,720
I challenge people to maybe look at that.

1405
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,000
It's very easy to suppress, to deny, to sort of not deal with something because it's uncomfortable

1406
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,560
or it's difficult.

1407
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,440
Whatever reaction it is that you're having, not just to this film, when you're thinking

1408
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,560
you know the answer to something, wonder whether you really do know because discomfort is good.

1409
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:14,560
It means you're growing.

1410
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,240
It's also what leads to change.

1411
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,120
That's what life and that's just what life is.

1412
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,120
And there you go.

1413
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,360
He's some better than I did because to me it would have been sort of like, fuck it,

1414
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,080
stab the physiotherapist, you know what I mean?

1415
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:59,660
Oh, ukulele, ukulele, ukulele.

1416
01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:01,440
Ukulele.

1417
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,600
Ukulele.

1418
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,600
Yooka-Laylee!