1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,980 Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever Podcast. My name is Ben Groats. 2 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:18,980 My name is Rob Macfarlane. Welcome to the show, a movie podcast slash mental health check-in 3 00:00:18,980 --> 00:00:24,260 for two broken brained best friends talking around their problems, but not about their 4 00:00:24,260 --> 00:00:26,560 problems whilst laughing at movies. 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,560 Never. 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Given that this is a thinly veiled mental health check-in, Ben, I figure start with 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,000 the important stuff before we get to what we're doing. How you doing, bud? 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,000 I'm doing good, man. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 How's the lung? 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,480 Two new jobs. Oh, lungs still collapsed. That's fine though. We're not worried about that. 11 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:41,480 Partially collapsed though. 12 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:45,040 Yeah, yeah. Just the top bit. It's not full. It's not a full one. So that's good. I'm just 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,000 being monitored at the minute. I have been to the doctors. I'm getting it checked. I'm 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,800 not being a silly like I was for six months. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Yeah. Nice. 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,800 I got two new jobs. 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Painkillers though. Are you on painkillers? 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:55,800 No, God no. 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,800 You're being serious. 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,360 You're just raw dogging collapsed lungs. 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,360 I've got two new jobs, bud. 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,440 I suppose you don't want to change too much. You want to keep the vaping going on because 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,440 if you stop vaping... 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,360 I can't shock my lungs. That's what I mean. I smoked for over two decades and was fine 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,080 and then I quit a year and a half, two years ago. Lung collapsed. 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,400 Right. Exactly. Yeah. Don't do that. 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,400 I've got two new jobs. 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,400 Oh, you should have said. 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,080 I should have, man. I've kept it secret for all this time. I got two new jobs. They're 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,240 both incredible. It's my first week this week. So I'm very excited, very fresh, very new. 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,240 How are you buddy? 32 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,240 I'm good. Well, I'm not good. 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,360 What's going on? 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,560 I made the mistake of watching the news again. 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Oh mate, you need to stop that. 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,800 I made the mistake. I was like, maybe it's time. Maybe I can do it. It's not time. I 37 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,440 can't do it. It makes me feel awful. The world is full of awful people and I can't stop them 38 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:54,100 being awful and they're making it more awful by the day. So we thought, hey, good week 39 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:58,640 to do the social network, right? Is that what we're doing? Are we doing the social network? 40 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:05,440 We are. This is it buddy. We are tuning back into the David Fincher verse with the social 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,440 network. 42 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,200 The social network. Now, Ben, not everyone likes everything. 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,200 True. Public bathroom jobs. It's not for everyone, man. You know what I mean? 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Sardines. 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Sardines is another one. What else don't people like? Some people don't like lovely walks 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,400 on a nice cold evening. 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,360 I mean, that's insane. That's you should like that. But dear listener, if you hear us cry 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,360 pineapple. 49 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Oh yeah. Pineapple on pizza. Yeah. Pineapple on pizza. 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,560 Pineapple on pizza. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you hear us call that, it's just 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,040 a short bit of the chat that might not be to everyone's taste. Something a brand new 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,920 listener might not need, but not to worry. The full spicy Hawaiian version of every episode 53 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:47,760 is available over on Patreon days beforehand with all the pineapple you could ever want. 54 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,040 It's just a quid. It's a quid. The first tier is a quid. If you want to support the show, 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,880 it's the most direct way to do it. Benefits the show immensely. And plus we love you. 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,800 I mean, if you don't support the show, we still love you. You know what I mean? Of course 57 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:00,800 we do. 58 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,320 And our potty mouths are going to be censored in this version of the episode with some lovely 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,280 ukulele noises. But you can hear all the bad words you like on Patreon. 60 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,280 Like kut. 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Yeah. There we go. Every time. 62 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,440 Oh, ukulele, ukulele, ukulele, ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele 63 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,980 ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele ukulele 64 00:03:19,980 --> 00:03:24,640 You know last week where the first 20 minutes of the episode were like a swear word salad 65 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:28,640 and I didn't have much time. And then we got to that bit and I was fuming and that's when 66 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,640 I found it funny. 67 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:36,880 Yeah, I'm sorry, but I figured this time around you've already got the samples. You know what 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,880 I mean? 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Yeah, no, guess what? There's still a pain in the balls to put in. We've got too much 70 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,020 to get into in this episode as it is. We're going to get into why Ben hates this film. 71 00:03:46,020 --> 00:03:49,840 We're going to get into why Rob loves it. We're going to get into some soundtrack juice. 72 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,360 We're going to get into something that we know quite well. We hold quite dear to our 73 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:01,640 hearts. It's a very, very personal aspect. Cocaine! Cocaine addicts! 74 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,280 Yes, buddy. Now, this is often accused of being David Fincher's best film. 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,120 Mind blowing to me. 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:15,800 Well, not to me. And I think the criticisms of the world that this film makes only get 77 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,480 more and more relevant as we sink further into the hellscape that I took a direct hit 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,240 of earlier in the week. 79 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,360 This is what I mean, man. This is why I don't, it's why I simultaneously love it and despise 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:36,760 this film because it is A, good film, B, terribly affecting no matter what year you're in. 81 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,160 Yeah, you see, okay, we're going to have to get into that. We're going to have to get 82 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,400 into that. But first... 83 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,200 What's that man been? Where that man been? What that man do? 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Well, again, loads of projects. So he, in the 2010s, he was looking at doing an adaptation 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:03,040 of David Cullen's book, Columbine, which would have been, you know, a laugh a minute. 86 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,360 He was going to do a project set within the culinary arts world that would star Keanu 87 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Reeves. The film would eventually be released in 2015 as Burnt, starring Bradley Cooper. 88 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,840 Okay. Yeah, terrible film. 89 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:17,560 Oh, is that the one where he works at the Langham? 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,560 Possibly. Possibly. 91 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Is he a chef? 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,920 He's a chef. It's like the film Chef, but nowhere near as good as the film Chef. 93 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:24,920 And not fun. 94 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,360 And not fun. Yeah. There was going to be a lone wolf and cub trilogy based on the Japanese 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,920 manga series. That's the thing you might know about. I don't. It's going to be David Fincher, 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Tim Miller, and Andrew Kevin Walker. Now that is a lineup. Yeah. But then he got to 2010 97 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,920 and I can't really remember 2010 then. So can you refresh, refresh our memories? 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:57,360 So 2010 bud. And the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling platform is writing absolute mid 99 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:04,120 tier Mark Wahlberg movies of the future. It is. It's 2010 my dear boy. And Steve Jobs 100 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:12,800 changes the lives of menstruating women the world over as he unveils his new Apple iPad. 101 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,120 I'm not sure that's what that was for Ben, but we roll. It's 2010 my dear day. My little 102 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:24,200 angel baby boy. Oh, thank you. And Zimmer and Christopher Nolan are bending minds and 103 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:31,960 bursting it drums with inception. It's literally just a Zimmer. One. What I'm thinking for 104 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:40,720 this one is mate. It's just massive horn sound. But it's 2010 my dear boy. Beautiful golden 105 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:48,960 winged tiny infant smooth baby. Robert McFarlane. Love it when you talk dirty. Hated that. Yeah, 106 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:57,600 it's 2010. David Fincher is given $40 million to make the social network. $40 million. Is 107 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,600 that it's cheap. It's cheap, right? We'll get into why. This is a film featuring no 108 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:11,520 nudity. None. It's all dialogue. It is of rich people. It is in rooms. Yeah. Talking. 109 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,160 So obviously this is a long favorite of yours. You've been, you've been repping this film 110 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:22,680 for years. Cause if I had to pick a film that I knew my friend, Benjamin Kenneth Groves 111 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,320 was going to be a big fan of, I'd say the social network. When it came out, I saw this 112 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,880 when it came out and I was like, you know, Fincher, it's going to be cool. I'd recently 113 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,000 just come back from Japan. So I was like, cool. Traumatized. Trying to figure out how 114 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:43,040 to be in England again. Yeah. I saw this and I was like, it's, it's just talky, talky, 115 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:50,240 talky, rich posh nonsense with nothing for me to relate to. Yeah. And I don't care. I 116 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:56,400 just don't care about the plight of a millionaire. The same thing with the game. Right. Well, 117 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,960 I want to, I want to hear more about that. Yeah. I'm going to get into it more because 118 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:04,000 I've, I've grown, I've grown over the years. So that's, that's how it was back then. And 119 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,380 I've grown since then. So we'll, I'll save it for the actual show. But this film makes 120 00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:14,800 the world a better place for me. Okay. Because it's, it's about rats in a bucket trying to 121 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:20,360 kill each other so that they can pile the bodies high enough that they can be the last 122 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,280 rat that manages to climb over the edge of the bucket. Okay. When you put it that way, 123 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:31,600 I love that concept. Right. But in the execution of this, it wasn't rats in a bucket. It was 124 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,840 millionaires in a courtroom going, but I didn't say that. Okay. Right. Brilliant. Will, I'm 125 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,080 going to, I'm going to show you just how wrong you are now before I do. No, that's fine. 126 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,200 Before I do, I think for the benefit of those people who haven't seen this film in years, 127 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,040 or those people who just know this isn't for them and want to enjoy the show, want to know 128 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,040 what we're talking about, but have no plans to see it. We're going to break down the plot 129 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,760 of this movie. Consider this your spoiler warning, just a little two minute segment 130 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,280 where we tell you everything that happens, including the end. It's been out for 14 years. 131 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Right. You've had, you've had, you've had ample opportunity. This isn't on us. Right. 132 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,480 You've had your chance with the olives. All right. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. This 133 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,520 is not extra virgin. This is, this is promise oil at this point. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 134 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,920 going to start cause I've, I've, I've, there's some words I couldn't get rid of. Also you've 135 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,200 color coded. Yeah. I heard that dyslexics can hear better off with off a yellow background. 136 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,760 I can hear better off a yellow background. I read better off a, I'm an, I'm an audio 137 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,040 guy man. All right. It is true though. I can hear better from the yellow. If you, okay, 138 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:42,240 you start this one. In 2003, Harvard student Mark Zuckerberg creates a website called face 139 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,320 mash where students can rate the attractiveness of their fellow female students like sexist 140 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,680 top trumps. Yeah. The site crashes Harvard servers, drawing attention to Mark's technical 141 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:58,900 skills, but also his disregard for privacy, social norms, or being a decent human being. 142 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:03,320 This leads him to being approached by wealthy twins, Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, along 143 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,920 with their partner Divya Narendra to develop a social networking site called Harvard connection, 144 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,440 a social network driven by the exclusivity of having to be a Harvard student. Unreal. 145 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,920 While Mark agrees to help them, he secretly begins building his own platform, the Facebook 146 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,920 with financial backing from his friend, Eduardo Saverin. As Facebook grows in popularity, 147 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,320 Mark's flaws begin to grow. That's an understatement if I've ever said more. He minimizes Eduardo's 148 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,840 contributions downplaying his role as co-founder and becomes increasingly dismissive of Eduardo's 149 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:43,920 business advice. Meanwhile, the freaky twins. Okay. All right. Yeah. The freaky girls in 150 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,800 the bin in the bin. I used to be an audio guy. And then you drop stuff like that in 151 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,040 the bin. Cause we love the, we love the freaky stuff at the bomb. Oh, that's horrible. Look 152 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,600 at this. Look at how horrible this is. Yeah. Fair. Meanwhile, the freaky twins realized 153 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:07,040 Mark has used their idea and begin legal action against him. When Mark meets Sean Parker, 154 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,800 the flamboyant founder of Napster. That's one way to describe him. He is drawn to Sean's 155 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:17,480 vision of what Facebook could become further alienating Eduardo. Yellow works. Yellow works 156 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,200 great. Mark's awfulness comes to a head when Sean's influence prompts him to dilute Eduardo's 157 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:27,640 stake in the company. Essentially buying him out for pennies against his will because they 158 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,800 tricked him into signing the documents. Unreal. Eduardo confronts Mark in a heated showdown, 159 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,320 exposing the betrayal and greed that have kind of come to define their relationship. 160 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Meanwhile, Mark refuses to acknowledge his unethical actions and it deepens the riff 161 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,680 with basically everyone who ever trusted him. Yep. His obsession with success comes at the 162 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:53,120 cost of personal connections. Ironic. Leaving him increasingly isolated as lawsuits from 163 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:59,360 Eduardo and the Winklevoss twins pile up should have colored it yellow. Sean Parker gets arrested 164 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,840 at a house party with underage interns, proving my theory once again that a driver's license 165 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:10,160 is the best card to use to cut lines. A hundred percent. Especially with new friends. Right. 166 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,480 Let me just. Yep. That's fine. All safety buddy. You know what I mean? Right. By the 167 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:21,840 end of the film, Mark sits alone, refreshing his Facebook page in a futile attempt to reconnect 168 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:27,400 with Erica Albright, the ex-girlfriend whose rejection partly fueled his ambitions. While 169 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Facebook has become a global phenomenon, Mark's flaws, his selfishness, betrayal and inability 170 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:40,160 to maintain meaningful relationships leave him a lonely figure trapped by the consequences 171 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:48,680 of his own actions. So Rory and Shad and a row. Dude, yellow works a treat by the way. 172 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:52,800 In what context? Oh, the reading. Yes. I thought we were still on the Kim Jong and to take 173 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,540 exception sharp left turn because of you. Let's move on quickly. Let's move on quickly. 174 00:12:59,540 --> 00:13:04,120 You hate this. Right. Tell me why. Give me the juice. It's not that I hate this because 175 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:11,360 it's, it's a very difficult film for me to process. Right. Okay. I hear that, but also 176 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:17,780 everything you say before the word, but it's bullshit. So let's just, it's hard to contextualize 177 00:13:17,780 --> 00:13:24,240 because it is so out of my wheelhouse. Yeah. It's so far out of my wheelhouse. Yeah. And 178 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,960 it's so left field to what I would normally pay attention to because there's nothing, 179 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:34,720 there's nothing fun here for me. No. And I do, I do. I'm actually like in a non condescending 180 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:41,080 way, incredibly sorry that I have managed to drag you so far from what you love to the 181 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,920 point where you'll sit down and actually discuss the social network. I'm like, no, no, no, 182 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,880 but this is ruined for me though. No, no, no. It's good for me because I've like, I 183 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,160 feel like I've grown a lot over the last couple of years and this is why I can have this discussion, 184 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,560 not just sit here and go, Oh, but yeah, but shit though, in it. You know what I mean? 185 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:59,440 Yeah. Yeah. Fair, fair, fair. It's out of my wheelhouse. There's not a lot of fun in 186 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,440 it for me because it's not monsters. It's not stumpy stuff. It's not goofy stuff. I 187 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,680 disagree and say it is monsters, but it's a different kind of monster. It is, it is, 188 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:12,480 but it's human monsters. It's very, it's monsters that you can see out and about on the street. 189 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,640 It's not Godzilla. It's not Mothra. It's not the creature from the black lagoon. You know 190 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,800 what I mean? If billionaires had the ability to get laser, laser eyes, they'd take that 191 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,520 thing. Yeah. I thousand percent Musk is working on it. 1000% he's just doing it in the bathroom 192 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,600 somewhere. Thousand percent. It's the fact that the characters in it are so unrelatable 193 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,600 to me that I just, it's so hard to care about the actual plot of the story that's going 194 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,920 on. It's a very interesting story and it's told incredibly well and the current in between 195 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,120 like current timeline and then the dramatization of the past events, whether they were true 196 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,720 or not. Cause a lot of the stuff that's acted out is based on the testimonies of people 197 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:59,520 from like, you know, um, Alice, Alice Albright, Erica Albright, um, from Erica Albright. She, 198 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,120 she gives a testimony. It's all dramatized and acted out. And then we find out in the 199 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,160 current time that Mark's like, well, no, I didn't say any of that. So that's a very interesting 200 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,760 way to look at it. It's very fun to sort of see which way it goes and to twist and the 201 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,760 turns. I just don't care about the characters. I don't care about the plight of Mark Zuckerberg. 202 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,680 I just don't. I don't care about the multi-millionaire Winklevoss twins that are like, oh, excuse 203 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,520 me. That was my idea. And it's like, yeah, it was your idea. And you gave it to a terrible 204 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:29,160 person. So given it to a terrible person with no like legal proceedings in place. They just 205 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,920 went, this is our, this is our idea. Can you help us with it? And he was like, yeah, yeah, 206 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:39,280 sure. Did it himself. Fair play. But Colonel, you have activated my trap card. That's fine. 207 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,160 That's fine. I'm fully, I'm ready for this. I'm ready to be educated. I hear your point. 208 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:51,400 But on the other hand, reality. So Mark Zuckerberg, at the time that this film, this 2010, now 209 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:57,120 this film has gotten more relevant in lots of ways, but what it has lost is a bit of 210 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,600 its bite because at the time we were at the forefront of tech billionaires. We hadn't 211 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:09,560 really had them for that long. Mark Zuckerberg was among the first. Yeah. Elon was still 212 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:15,280 acquiring Tesla or just in the early days of Tesla. And we were like, what a sound guy. 213 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,820 He wants to save the planet. He believes in climate change. He's trying to build electric 214 00:16:19,820 --> 00:16:23,900 cars so we can save the climate. And he's trying to build spaceships in case plan a 215 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:29,520 doesn't work. What a guy. Just a chill guy. He's just a chill guy. He designs flame throwers. 216 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,160 He sells flame throwers. Hilarious. He's bought a company that digs tunnels. He's called it 217 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,540 the boring company. What a guy. Right? Sure. Mark Zuckerberg and their opinion of these 218 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:44,940 people hadn't been coloured by on the other hand, reality. I found an article, I found 219 00:16:44,940 --> 00:16:49,840 an article from before this film was released. Plans to improve education. And this is talking 220 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,200 about Mark Zuckerberg. He plans to improve education and cure the world's most intractable 221 00:16:54,200 --> 00:17:00,360 diseases by giving scientists access to engineers whose work could include artificial intelligence. 222 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,920 It's safe to say that no one is doing more in so many fields to bring about this singular 223 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:11,780 vision of connectivity. I certainly would not underestimate him said Ben Horowitz, who's 224 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:16,520 venture capital firm is a Facebook investor. He's totally determined, willing to fail and 225 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,360 try again. He has the resources and he's a genius. If he can't lead the way, then I'm 226 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:27,960 not sure who can. That's from an investor of Facebook. Do you remember early days of 227 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,160 the internet before Google, before web 2.0, before Facebook, where it was like you type 228 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,960 in a URL, you'd be like, let's go see what's on rotten.com. Let's go check out what's on 229 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,080 congregate.com where the internet was this beautiful, innocent, user generated thing 230 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:49,760 that had no big money. Bounds world. Do you remember e-bounds? Bounds were incredible. 231 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,240 I miss that on a daily basis. Yeah. Amazing. Think back to that internet. Yeah. Cause that's 232 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,680 what we were dealing with in the early 2000s. It was beautiful. It was MSN messenger. Oh, 233 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,840 my God. Windows media player. And we had Napster and we were downloading. We had that whole 234 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,640 thing about it when we went on no more late fees. That sort of how incredible that early 235 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,840 internet experience was. Line wire. Here comes a guy. Right. Here comes a guy who goes, well, 236 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:21,840 I'm going to connect people. And there was a time where we were like, wow, technology's 237 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,120 going to make society better. Yeah. That's the world that this film was released into. 238 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:34,200 Okay. That's why this film had bite back then. Cause it was like, nah, I see what you're 239 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,800 saying. I do. I do see what you're saying. So there's a, there's a point at which it's 240 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:45,600 become less relevant because a lot of what it's telling us is just known fact now. Yeah. 241 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,880 Right. We just go, yeah, of course. They're immoral small men. We know that because they 242 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,440 tell us every day. Right. I understand what you're saying. And this is, this is where 243 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:01,840 I'm just going to reveal stuff about me that I'm not proud of. I've grown out of it. Right. 244 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:07,920 Mostly right. Your dark web stuff. No, it's the chip on my shoulder. Oh, it's going to 245 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,440 reveal the chip on your shoulder. Then it walks in the room eight minutes before you 246 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:20,960 do. No, that's, that's my shame. That's my shame. It's easily confused. I've got like 247 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,480 a weird chip on my shoulder for these, these guys that are like, they're painted out to 248 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,640 be saints. And you just look at them and you go, but yeah. All right. There are very, very, 249 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:36,040 very easy ways for you to turn around and go, I've just done this. It's not for any 250 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,720 big reason. I've just done it. Everyone bangs on about Bono being this next, you know, the 251 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,200 next patron saint Bono and all this stuff. And it's like, yeah, it's great. It's amazing. 252 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,200 He organises all these festivals where he begs poor people to give them money to help 253 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:54,200 out other poor people. Whilst he sits in his billion dollar house, earning hundreds of 254 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,440 millions year upon year. I'm raising awareness. Not money then. No, not money. Oh yeah. I'm 255 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,520 sorry. Your charity Red raised how many million? 20. How much have it made it there? A couple 256 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:09,040 hundred thousand. Fantastic. Where's the rest? Lost in admin. Yeah. Patrons say fantastic. 257 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,680 Awesome. I get it. I, I, I do get it. And it's, it's trust issues. It comes from like 258 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,120 way, way, way back when even like, do you remember when we had the early internet and 259 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:23,440 it was all about like Microsoft and there was the gaming consoles wars, you know, there 260 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,640 was between like Xbox and PlayStation and Nintendo was still kind of there. The like 261 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,960 GameCube was GameCube going to do it. Ooh. Yeah. Is the new donkey controller really 262 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,720 going to change the way we work as humans? No, obviously not. But no, it's just going 263 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,880 to affect dark sold speed runs 20 years from now. You'll love it. That's exactly it. But 264 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:51,280 you've got, that's so true. That's so unbelievably true. Just started playing Elden Ring. That's 265 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,480 hilarious. But we had this thing and there was loads of stuff about Bill Gates back then 266 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,600 being all like all this charitable work and this lovely stuff that he does in like third 267 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,720 world countries. He's curing malaria. But then bit by bit you just see these horrible 268 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,920 experiments that are going on behind the scenes and you're like, how is he funding this? Right. 269 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,640 Why am I on MSN messenger right now talking about this on a Bill Gates machine? Right. 270 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,320 You know what I mean? Yeah, I get that. That's where it comes from. I think a large part 271 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:23,040 of the chip that I share with you or shared with you for a long time is that we both grew 272 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:29,840 up on benefits with single moms and in the era that we were growing up, the conservative 273 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,960 party government was campaigning on this whole ridiculous idea that there were women out 274 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:41,000 there who were having babies for the benefits. Right. Yes. And like single mothers were the 275 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,560 enemy. So we were seeing these rich bastards come on television and be like, it's not us 276 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,080 spending all the money on nuclear submarines. It's all these single mothers who are stealing 277 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,520 from the state. We were being raised by women in poverty and we were being told that our 278 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,580 mothers were the, what was wrong with the country. By the people that are represented 279 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:04,760 in this film. And I'm like, I get it. I had it for a long time. I was the, I was the poorest 280 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,480 kid. I was the richest kid in primary school. I got bullied for being posh because I sound 281 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,120 like this. And then I was the poorest kid in grammar school and I got bullied for not 282 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:17,920 summering in the Maldives. Yeah. So I get it. I get it. And it's part of what it's going 283 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,920 to feed into why this is a happy place film for me. Okay. That's going to be good. I'm 284 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,760 going to, I'm just really quickly. I need to get this off my shoulder, right? The chip 285 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,920 that I'm talking about is no longer there to this extent. This is where I was when it 286 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,800 came out, the world that was released into when I first watched it. And I was like, I 287 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,760 don't care. I don't care about these evil guys that's taking my data and selling it 288 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,360 to ad companies. Cause all this stuff started coming out bit by bit by bit. We realized 289 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:47,840 that our data and our privacy is no longer any product. Exactly. And that's the bit that 290 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,520 didn't sit well. So when I'm watching this film, this is all in my mind. I'm like, I 291 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,040 don't care. It's absolute nonsense. There's nothing here that I'm going to feel sorry 292 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,000 for. You get that you're supposed to hate them. You get that this is not a heroic journey. 293 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,520 This is, this is a villain origin story. Yes. But the villain in this story is a weird incel 294 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:10,000 that's doing it because someone broke up with him for not being like a better, a slightly 295 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,800 better person or not being the best in his field. So what he does is he then changes 296 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,400 the entire field irreparably for the worse, single-handedly destroying the society that 297 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,580 we've been working on and the hopes and dreams that we had by hitting one nuclear button. 298 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:30,840 We should point out as Aaron Sorkin and Mark Zuckerberg have both pointed out on their 299 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:37,120 own Aaron Sorkin, who wrote this, this is loosely based on Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg. 300 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:43,920 There's an awful lot that just didn't happen or isn't true. It's almost a parable or a 301 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,040 metaphor for the emerging billionaire class. And this is where I come in with my, how I 302 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:54,880 viewed it to like this week. This is where I'm at with it now. This is arguably one of 303 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:02,400 the best films I've seen in such a long time. And it, it's changed my mind about Fincher, 304 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,720 maybe not changed my mind. I had a bit of an epiphany about Fincher whilst watching 305 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,640 this film. Because not only is it gorgeous to look at, there is not a single frame in 306 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,080 this film that you could change and it would add anything to the film. There is nothing 307 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:19,680 in it. It's, it's, it's, it's perfect. Perfect. Perfection from start to finish every single 308 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:27,960 shot angle. The way that I resent Fincher a bit because the way that he uses the camera 309 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,080 to tell this story forces empathy. And I hated it because I picked up on it straight away. 310 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,400 Cause you pointed out in Benjamin Button, how he forces empathy with stuff. And I've 311 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:43,160 picked up on it on this film and I was like, nah, not working on me bud. Still hate him. 312 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,120 Nah. But it was, that was happening and it was incredible. 313 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:53,240 It makes you feel what they're feeling. It does. It does. It's insane. So, so he forces 314 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,720 his empathy and you really, you really see like the depth and the severity of the situation 315 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,820 that's going on. Even though I've got no vested interest in it whatsoever, you feel the gravity 316 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:08,160 of the situation. It's an incredible film of a horrible story. It's an incredible, it's 317 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:14,200 incredibly executed film about a horrible, horrible story that makes me feel on a fundamental 318 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:20,440 level sad for the human race. Oh yeah. Do you know what I mean? And this is what it 319 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,200 is. Oh no, I totally do. That's exactly why I love it. Okay. Okay. We'll come back to 320 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,120 that. We'll come back to that. No, no, no. It's good. This is good. I feel like there's 321 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:32,040 a, there might be a bridge here. We're on different sides, but there's a bridge. I'm, 322 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,320 I'm, I've got the last brick in that bridge at the end and it's going to click into place. 323 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,360 It's going to be the keystone. Incredible. It's going to make everything about my week 324 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:45,640 better. Amazing. Okay. So, so this is where I'm up with Fincher, the epiphany that hit 325 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,200 me. Um, the way that he tells his stories and the scripts that he chooses to work with 326 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:58,720 right. We'll flip a story so that you're seeing it from unexpected viewpoints. Yeah. We're 327 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:05,160 not seeing, we're not seeing this story from Mark Zuckerberg's viewpoint, right? No, it's 328 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,280 all told through these three court cases brought against him. And we're all hearing the different 329 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:16,640 testimony of the people suing him. Exactly. But what it is is there is no, there is no 330 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:24,280 refute of the villainy that's going on. It's just people telling these awful, awful recollections 331 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:33,080 of what's happened to them because of this one human and him going, so it's a perfect 332 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:39,800 storm of super uncomfortable and weirdly empathetic. And it's, it's a, it's like a weird goo that 333 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:45,200 I sat in for two and a half hours over along this film is, and by the end of it, I was 334 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,960 like, Oh God, I just feel like I need a shower. Just feel like a quick wash just to get it 335 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,440 off. You know what I mean? It's the sort of thing it, there's a practical reason that 336 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,440 it comes from this, but it's, you're right. It's a perfect Fincher move. It is. It's incredible 337 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,840 that where it comes from is Aaron Sorkin. Uh, there was a book, uh, being written about 338 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,280 founding of Facebook. Aaron Sorkin caught one of it, read a bit, was like, this is brilliant. 339 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,520 I'm going to make the film version books. Not even finished yet. Let's sit in a room 340 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,200 together. You write the book, pass me the chapters. I'll turn it into a movie. Okay. 341 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,120 And they were like, well, we're going to have to ask Facebook and Harvard and all these 342 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:24,920 guys to get involved. And they all read it and were like, absolutely not. Yeah. Of course. 343 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,480 They were like, look, but then of course these court cases are public documents. Yeah. You 344 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,800 can write whatever you want around them. Yeah, of course. So Facebook said, no, we're not 345 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,360 going to get involved. Aaron Sorkin says, well, you can't stop me writing about what 346 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,840 was claimed in a court of law because it's a public document. You've got no right to 347 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,560 tell me I can't use this information. That's okay. That's kind of genius. And it makes 348 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,960 me like it a little bit more. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Speaking of genius, I've 349 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:02,840 got a confession to make and I'm not Dave Grohl. So it's not adultery. It's, uh, it's 350 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:09,240 a Dave Grohl related thing, which is for all of my life, I came out of the womb in a nine 351 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:15,720 inch nails t-shirt. Right. I am obsessed with nine. I have to declare that first. I had 352 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:22,120 been for a long time before this film came out. Right. And the soundtrack for which Trent 353 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:27,600 Reznor won the Oscar. Amazing. For the social network. Incredible. Is done by Trent Reznor. 354 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:33,600 Right. It is. And Atticus Ross, who are now nine inch nails. Yeah. This was like a huge 355 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,440 coming together of my worlds, but I think without this soundtrack, the film doesn't 356 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:44,400 work. At 1000%, I'll agree with you. 150%. There's an interesting behind the scenes fact 357 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:50,840 that it's not quite true. Trent Reznor was asked in, in interview if it was Elvis Costello. 358 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,400 He's like, I don't think it was Elvis Costello, but when Mark Zuckerberg is walking across 359 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,040 the university campus after just being dumped at the start of the film was originally some 360 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:10,960 indie rock, jangly guitar music. Yeah. Like Elvis Costello. Yeah. And he was like, Trent 361 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Reznor said, I just remember some jangly college rock, sort of everything, everything's all 362 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,880 right. Let's all have a beer sort of track. Right. And the film then sort of became some 363 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,400 sort of John Hughes esque kids at college, light life, which is not what the film should 364 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:32,280 be. No. If you did, if you changed the soundtrack of this film, it would creep into your mind 365 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:38,520 that maybe we're supposed to be looking up to this guy or maybe this is a biography or 366 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,320 like, Oh, we were telling the story of this man's life because we're interested in this 367 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,160 man. And we think what he's done is good. A positive, a positive spin on it almost. 368 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,200 Okay. Instead you've got what sounds like tortured air conditioners and this incredibly 369 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,840 sad bit of piano. The thing, Oh my God, you're so right. The thing that I love about the 370 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:05,320 soundtrack in this is the obviously the air conditioning drone and the, like the weird 371 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,800 playful stuff that happens in between is the fact that at some point they were like, yeah, 372 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,920 they're in a club. We need someone sort of like dancey and you know, upbeat, but also 373 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,120 something that's really, it's really going to drive the severity of the situation is 374 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,280 like, yeah, easy, mate. Here, I'll just give me 20 minutes. Boom. And then just puts like 375 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,760 a, it looks like a dance beat under it and it works perfectly. And you're like, Oh my 376 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,240 God, I hate this because I know it's not in its nails. I'm listening to it and I'm like, 377 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:37,960 Oh, this is all right. Oh, Oh no. So, Oh no. Now, now, okay, here we go. And then it just 378 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,360 melts. It's slowly like it peels off the walls. It's the, it's horrible. If you listen to 379 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,880 it on its own, horrifying that I adore the soundtrack to this film so much so that I've 380 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,280 actually created a playlist for our Patreon listeners. Yes. Other nine inch nails music 381 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,600 that if you enjoy the soundtrack to this and you don't necessarily know nine inch nails, 382 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,120 nine inch nails go very heavy, very noisy at parts of that catalog. They also go very 383 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,560 quiet and very odd and very whatever this soundtrack is. So I've made a little playlist 384 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:15,040 that's some selected tracks from this soundtrack and other tracks on other albums to help serve 385 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,000 as like a little intro for people who like this soundtrack. There's lots more that's 386 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,920 actually better from their music catalog that I've put into a little playlist. That's awesome, 387 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:32,920 man. Does it have the hand that feeds on it? Of course it doesn't bother them. That song, 388 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,080 that song that plays during the opening credits, I have to point out it's played two more times 389 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,040 in the film, once at the midpoint and once at the very end. But every time you won't 390 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,520 notice this when you watch the film, but when you listen to the soundtrack, every time that 391 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:53,340 phrase is repeated, the piano mics move further away. Right. Okay. So the, the, the emotion 392 00:31:53,340 --> 00:32:02,640 of the piece gets physically more, more distant and the air con gets closer. The inhuman mechanical 393 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:09,720 machine noise is growing. And it cuts to the heart of why I think this deserved the Oscar 394 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,800 because quite often soundtracks are like quite simplistic, emotional nails, sort of driving 395 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,240 home how you're supposed to be feeling about the image on screen. Like John Williams, undoubtedly 396 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,860 a genius soundtrack. Incredible, incredible. But you, you never listened to a piece of 397 00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:32,880 John Williams music and go, Hmm, that's a bit ambiguous about how I'm supposed to feel. 398 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:39,040 Yeah. I agree. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel here. Whereas Reznor looks at what's 399 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,800 on screen and goes, I'm not going to amplify what's on screen. I'm going to complicate 400 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,680 what's on screen. I'm going to run counter to what's happening and I'm going to make 401 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,200 it more confusing. Does he mean that? No, man. You've just pointed that out. He does 402 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,560 loads of stuff like this. It's a bit where he's like, um, where it's almost like a celebratory 403 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,520 moment where like Facebook, it's either just after he gets the new interns or he's planning 404 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,160 on doing the interviews, but the soundtrack is horrid. Like it's like a damning moment 405 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,920 audibly, but verbally it's a celebratory thing. You need to come back to California. This 406 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,360 is amazing. We've done it. And the music's horrid. Yeah. Okay. But then in reality it's 407 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:28,360 because Mark is lying through his teeth. He wants Eduardo to come back and it's that complexity 408 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:35,040 and that subtlety and that trust in the audience. I'm not going to tell you how to feel. Right. 409 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:41,720 That's not my job. Trenton is your job. He's like, no, he's a grownups. We're all grownups 410 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,520 here. I'm going to make you feel something and it's going to change your relationship 411 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,880 to this film. Yeah. Um, yeah. And if you look at the film, it beat interstellar. Yeah. This 412 00:33:52,880 --> 00:34:01,920 was up against for the Oscar Hans Zimmer interstellar. Wow. Not the subtlest of soundtracks. No, 413 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:08,440 but also incredible soundtrack, incredible soundtrack, incredible soundtrack, but it 414 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,760 is an emotional nail to the face. It is. Whereas this is a surgical complex. I mean, there 415 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,600 were bits in this where, um, I'll quote here to end, we're also aware that it's not just 416 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,680 a piece of music. There's dialogue, the sound effects, there's room tone. There's an air, 417 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,560 funny enough, air conditioner running. There's a truck going by. We'll consult and we'll 418 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,800 say, Hey, what key is the tone of that aircon? Can we can transpose our track or can you 419 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,280 pitch up the aircon? So it becomes an in concert symphony of sound that spills from traditional 420 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:48,720 music into sound design. To me, they're interlocked. Wow. Okay. I love Trent and Atticus. I also 421 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:52,240 love that they've been dropping spoilers about this film since 2010 and just no one has picked 422 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:56,440 up on it. I mean, they've literally, they spell it out for you as the film plays out. 423 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,440 No one clicks on. I didn't click on it until you've just pointed out. I'm going to have 424 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,240 to watch it again, but I'm just, I'm just going to pay attention to the soundtrack. 425 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:09,320 It's so, so good. But I think the best thing about this film by a long shot for me is the 426 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120 soundtrack. The soundtrack. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. It's incredible. 427 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,720 Did you know who was Trent and Atticus man? So this thing about aircon and machines and 428 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,720 there's like a mic on a piano that moves further away. That's intense. Yeah. It's crazy, man. 429 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:30,920 It's crazy. I did my research, but it's all my own research. And that is incredible podcasts. 430 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:37,760 Yeah. It's all right. It's the performances man. Oh, Jesse Eisenberg has never been in 431 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:46,000 another film compared to this. It's night and day. I mean, now you see me, right? Right. 432 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,480 It's three's just finished filming by the way. Three's just wrapped. Yeah, but they 433 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,440 can't, they've ruined it already because the second one should have been called Now You 434 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,440 Don't, but they have that ship as well. Yeah. That's exactly it. But I'm saying like Jesse 435 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:04,600 Eisenberg in this film is ridiculous because not only, it's wizardry. I don't get how he 436 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,040 does this, right? He does this whole thing where he's, he is completely monotonous and 437 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:17,960 robotic and calculated and horrid, but simultaneously you can feel every single lingering emotion 438 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:24,140 behind his eyes. And I'm like, how, how do humans craft this wizardry? Like where does 439 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:30,880 it come from? He complained about this film lovingly because he suffers with a genuine 440 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,560 obsessive compulsive disorder, not like, Oh, I need to make sure my emails are sorted. 441 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,760 He's like, he's got to lock the door eight times and all this kind of stuff. And so he 442 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,680 had to readopt speech patterns that he trained himself out of. Oh, that's brutal. So he had 443 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,720 to return to the well of like, Oh, well that stuff that I spent a lifetime trying to not 444 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,920 do you're now needing me to do. Brilliant. Thanks David. That's way more brutal. That 445 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,920 makes, that makes a lot more sense though. Okay. Right. Okay. It's, it's his eyes, man. 446 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,880 It's his eyes. You get the depression, you get the heartbreak, but you also get the childlike 447 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,080 timid I'm going to do something kind of thing. Like a little kid with a new, with a new pack 448 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,120 of crayons. And then it's like, there's not a bad performance in the film. Andrew Garfield, 449 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,840 insane, insane, insane. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's mint. Everyone in this film is mint. 450 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:32,040 And I, it's slight tangent, but the Jesse Eisenberg returning to the well of his trauma, 451 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:40,480 his lived trauma is that happens quite a lot on this. Right. Okay. So, uh, this film won 452 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,680 three Oscars, one for film editing, one for soundtrack, one for writing. Amazing. 66% 453 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:58,560 of those Oscars were by cocaine addicts. Outstanding. So Aaron Sorkin was arrested in Hollywood 454 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:19,520 Burbank airport, airport in the airport. Okay. Possession of hallucinogenic mushrooms. You're 455 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:28,480 right. It does affect every aspect of our waking life now a little bit like in the fifties, 456 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,920 the newspaper men. So it's a little bit like a modern citizen cane, except it's written 457 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,680 by addicts. So it's citizen cocaine. Oh my God. All right. I was going to say that's 458 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,520 a bit of a stretch, but I'm glad that I waited off because that's fantastic. It's not a stretch 459 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,360 though because it's about people who control information and make money off it. No, you, 460 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,540 yeah, you are right. I feel like this is a much more evil, then again, cocaine is more 461 00:38:54,540 --> 00:39:04,360 evil than, you know, a whiskey and shooting someone on a boat. I'm back in. I'm back in. 462 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,120 This film is incredible and I cannot stress that enough. It's incredible. It's also deeply, 463 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:17,920 deeply, deeply upsetting. The villainy in it is so small scale and so easy to come by and 464 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,520 so prevalent. It's just slowly being ingrained into newer generations. It's just ingrained 465 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,480 that this is how it is. And it's like, Jesus Christ. I know my sister doesn't remember 466 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,360 a time before Facebook for her. Facebook is like BBC two. Yes. And that's insane. That's 467 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,600 insane to me. It's always existed. Yeah. Maybe it's just because I'm like 36 now and I'm 468 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:47,280 really contemplating death. This is the long stretch. Now this is where I'm at. No, and 469 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,720 here we come. Here we come to my keystone, babe. Okay. This is why this is an incredibly 470 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:57,860 uplifting film. Okay. Hit me with it. Because you're right. It's a villain origin story 471 00:39:57,860 --> 00:40:06,240 about autistic people doing an anti-heist on society so that they can get some form 472 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:13,160 of personal slight against their egos corrected. I will burn the world down before they exclude 473 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:22,760 me. Yes. It's small, tiny men burning the world. Yep. But here's the thing. We've sat 474 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:30,360 and we've watched a film shining a light on them for the small, tiny, pathetic men they 475 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,520 are. Yeah. And it's a little bit like David Fincher and Aaron Sorkin and Trent Reznor 476 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,880 sit you down and go, we agree. The fact that this film is getting made is a sign that there 477 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:51,520 is a huge market. There is a $40 million worth market. And trust me, I'm going to tell you 478 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,760 how much this made in a minute. Okay. They are the minority and we are still at a point 479 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,240 where we can all get together and go, that's pathetic. We're not going, oh wow, look at 480 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:07,920 his incredible achievements. We're not going, wow, he's a genius. And if anyone knows how 481 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,400 to change the future, it's going to be him. You know, he's going to cure diseases. He's 482 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:18,720 going, what a loser. And there's nothing that keeps my teeth whiter than sitting down with 483 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:24,600 David Fincher and Trent Reznor and pointing at a rich loser and going, you're still a 484 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,720 prick. I get that. I can see that. I can see that. Yeah. It's so cathartic when I'm watching 485 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:34,080 the news this week, right? I'm watching the news this week and I'm like, Musk is going 486 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,560 to drive us all to hell. And then you've got the people I respect just going, don't worry 487 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,200 about them. They're little men. They're pricks. They're absolute bellends. And I love, no matter 488 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:50,120 how much money you make, no matter how much you build an empire and change the fabric 489 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,160 of society, there's always going to be some dude with bells on his shoes and a silly hat 490 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:02,120 going, you're a bellend now, aren't you? Yeah. I can respect that. I can respect that. I 491 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,800 think the worst thing is, is just sort of like the more they take over. I mean, do you 492 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,680 remember when Facebook bought WhatsApp? Yeah. And it was supposed to be like a big celebratory. 493 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,680 Yeah. But you know, now it's all in one place. And the first thing I was like, I was like, 494 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,360 what is Telegram? How do I download Telegram? What is this thing? Is it a different, is 495 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,160 it the same? You are exceptionally paranoid. I just hate it. I just hate, I hate one person 496 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:28,840 having everything. It's odd. It's odd. Oh, yeah. If he buys my bank and then also the 497 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,280 people that gave the mortgage on the house. There is, there is, there is no way to be 498 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,840 a moral billionaire, right? Of course not. It's just, you are a dragon sat on a big pile 499 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,280 of money. I understand that. And the mere act of having a billion dollars makes you 500 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:48,280 an evil person because you are never going to spend that much money. To an extent. Yeah. 501 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:54,240 500 million, go crazy. Do what you want. You've got 500 million. There's nothing you can want 502 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:59,480 that you can't have. There's nothing reasonable that you could want that you can't have. For 503 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:05,520 500 million, you can buy some small countries, right? You don't need another 500 million. 504 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,620 This is my thing though, right? Is if you, it's what you do with it that matters after 505 00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:14,320 the fact. You know what I mean? 100, 100%. But there is nothing reasonable that you could 506 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,160 want to do that you cannot achieve with 500 million. By the time you get to a billion, 507 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,120 what do you need that, what do you need that for? What is it that you could want that you 508 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,560 can't get for 500 million? That's a great point. I think it would just be sort of, I 509 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,960 don't know. I think at a certain point I'd get bored. Right. I'd just be on street corners 510 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960 being like, all right, mate, what are you doing? Right. Exactly. Going to work. Because 511 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,480 you're a rational person. All right. Sounds how much to quit the job. I don't know. I'm 512 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,200 on 40 grand a year. All right. It's 50. Have a great year. See you in a bit. Right. Right. 513 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,400 I'd go, let's invent anti-gravity. Let's end homelessness for a laugh. Yeah. Let's make 514 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,960 a massive trampoline park. How big do you want it? Madagascar. Madagascar big is how 515 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,720 big I want my trampoline park. Exactly. I'm just going to buy solar panels for everyone. 516 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:07,920 Because I can. For banter. But they don't do that. Right? They go, no, I'm going to 517 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:14,280 make a number go up. And you're like, that's an immoral thing. It is mental. But again, 518 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,720 there's very little to say or to do or to rationalize or try and understand. Cause we're 519 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,200 from a different world. We always will be from a different world. And that's fine. We 520 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,960 can't change it. We can't change it. So there's no sense. Read the back of your coin. Grant 521 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,200 me the serenity to accept the things I can't change. I literally have it in my hand right 522 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,000 now. Like this is my, this is my talisman right now. This is like, read the back. Yeah, I've 523 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:39,640 got you. So it says, I know it's not yellow. I've just thrown it once. It's not yellow. 524 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,080 Yeet. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. Courage to change 525 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,480 the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. And that's great. Right. That 526 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,360 is great. That's sound advice. It's solid. Quick sidebar. He does prefer it when you 527 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:59,760 pronounce it properly. Jod. Oh, my bad. Sorry, Jod. Sorry, Jod. I was getting confused with 528 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:06,080 Gizus. I got them mixed up. Do you want to know how much this made? More than anything. 529 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,680 From its 40 million. More than anything. So at the end of its theatrical run, the film 530 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:17,960 grossed $97 million in the United States. Wow. Okay. And 128 million in other territories 531 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:25,960 for a worldwide total of 225 million. Jesus Christ. That's insane. That is. In its first 532 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:36,760 week of release on DVD, sales totaled 13 million in a week from DVDs. Yeah. Okay. That is 225 533 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:42,040 million reasons that Mark Zuckerberg is a bellend. I get that. And that is what keeps 534 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,920 me. This is why I'm like, yeah. Yeah, no, I hear you. Beautiful. And it's not even calling 535 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,640 it's not calling him Satan. It's not calling him the great destroyer because that would 536 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,600 imply he's got power. Just calling him a little bit of a prick. I think the worst thing about 537 00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,320 it is though, is me giving him that bit of attention. It's still paying attention to 538 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,120 this little, this little bit. I don't think that's what doesn't sit with me. While I'm 539 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,160 like, I don't care. I don't want to care. I don't want to know you. Fine. Fine. We have 540 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:14,760 to cause I know we live in. I know. I know. It's weird. It also appeared on 78 film critics 541 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,600 top 10 lists. Amazing. Best films of 2010. I'll agree. It's incredible. It's mint. It's 542 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,800 incredible. Perfectly executed film. You hate it. Horrible story. Hate the story. Perfectly 543 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,760 executed film. And I love it because I'm just like, yeah, get them, get them Dave. Yeah. 544 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,520 All right. I'd love to. Right. So there's loads of good trivia. There's loads of good 545 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,400 trivia for this film that just didn't fit into what we wanted to say about it. So I'm 546 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,440 going to just give you a couple of bits. There's a part in this film where they're legal deposition 547 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:53,240 and the lawyer says to Zuckerberg, Zuckface, uh, 19, noble, uh, he says you went to Harvard 548 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:59,520 with 19 noble laureates, 15 Pulitzer prize winners, two future Olympians and a movie 549 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:09,320 star. Who was the movie star that Zuckface went to Harvard with? I don't know. Let me 550 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,960 take a guess. I'm going to take a stab in the dark. Can I have a clue? Can I have a 551 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,960 clue of like a film that they were in? Uh, uh, one in which a Frenchman wants to get 552 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:28,320 handsy with a child. The dude from Leon. Oh, okay. There's only three of them. I don't 553 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:34,200 think it's Darryl. I don't think it's Natalie Portman. I don't think it's, is it Natalie 554 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:40,200 Portman? It's Natalie Portman. He went to Harvard with Natalie Portman. Okay. She called 555 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,720 Aaron Salkin when she heard of the project and met him for dinner to discuss life at 556 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:51,680 Harvard. She dated a member of the Porcelain club, the knobby club that the freaky twins 557 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:58,460 go to. Oh, get it girl. Okay. And so she was, she was kind of half consultant on the movie 558 00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:03,920 about what life at Harvard was like. That's incredible. Okay. All right. All right. I 559 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,960 didn't say Portman cause I was like, ah, she's a kid. Yeah. So Zuckface, um, how many 560 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:17,200 takes did the first scene, the breakup take? Okay. So I think this is a trick question 561 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,760 if I'm being honest with you. I think because Fincher is famous for doing loads of takes. 562 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,480 Right. I'm going to assume that it's on this quiz because it's the opposite. I'm going 563 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,920 to say three. You know, he normally just loads of takes. Yes. And you went one way. Yeah. 564 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:42,520 Go the other way. Okay. 150 takes. 51 takes less than that. But yes. 99 takes of that 565 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,480 one. 99 takes. Jesus Christ. You could put a flake in it and sell it out of a van. Oh 566 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:55,180 my God. It was an ice cream joke. That's fantastic. Okay. Awesome. What did this film add to Mark 567 00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:58,920 Zuckerberg's life? You're never going to get this. This is, I don't know why I phrased 568 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,280 this question this way. Yeah. It's a drink. It's a drink that he'd never had before. 569 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:11,240 What? Appletini? Yes. He drinks them all the time now. Because of this film? Yeah. He'd 570 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:15,600 never had one before. Right. And then he was like, well, I'll try one seeing as they claim 571 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,120 that I love them so much. And then he was like, oh my God, this is incredible. This 572 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,680 is the best thing I've ever drunk. The tits. They're insanely good. Last question of the 573 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,280 quiz. Yep. There is a blink in your misset reference to one of David Fincher's earlier 574 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:37,800 films in this movie. Did you spot it? Is this the scene where they attend a fight club in 575 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,960 the basement of Harvard's bicycle room? It's not. It's not. But you're not far off because 576 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,460 in one scene Zuckerberg is using a Facebook profile and the name on his Facebook profile 577 00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:55,240 is? Tyler Durden. It is. A reference to Brad Pitt's character in Fight Club. That's insane. 578 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:59,520 Okay. I need to go back and watch that. Yeah. I need to go back and watch it. Jesus Christ. 579 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,080 Okay. That's a good quiz, man. I like that one. Thanks man. What are you going to rate 580 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,760 the social network? This is going to be complicated. Yeah. I've dreaded this bit. Okay. So I'm 581 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,960 going to have to give it two ratings. I like it. I categorically have to. Standard Benjamin 582 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:18,720 Gannett Groves move. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's, it's Benjamin. What's your definitive 583 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:23,560 rating of this film? Well, I've got five. Yeah. If it needs five, I'm giving it five. 584 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,880 I'm doing my due diligence. All right. Okay. Okay. Right. Apologies to Rosie on letterbox, 585 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:37,320 but yeah, there's two, right? So one is for as a film. So as a standalone film, it's a 586 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,280 piece of technical filmmaking. It's a piece of filmmaking. It is perfection. It is a fat 587 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:48,600 10. It is a fat 10 as a choice of story to tell again, the way that he does it, the way 588 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,160 that it's executed fat 10. Oh, okay. Right. The other rating, the second rating, sorry, 589 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:58,680 that was all built, built into one. The other rating, which is my enjoyability and how much 590 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,720 did I, how much did I enjoy this film? Would I sit down to watch it again without that 591 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:07,160 little quiz? The answer would probably be no. Without the information about the soundtrack, 592 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:15,000 the answer would probably be no, but I'm going to, I will, I'm going to rate it a four because 593 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,520 it's a harrowing film and I really didn't enjoy my time here because it just made me 594 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:26,280 very sad and a bit annoyed. Trip advisor for the two hours spent with this film is four 595 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,400 out of 10. Four out of 10 for the, for my time spent because it's so far removed from 596 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:38,680 my wheelhouse. If you're after a film experience, 10 out of 10, watch it immediately. Watch 597 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:44,760 it immediately. It is perfection. Right. Right. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. How about yourself? 598 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:57,240 I am going to go in with a lower score of fat 10. A lower score of fat 10. Okay. Yeah. Because 599 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:05,320 I adore Nine Inch Nails. I adore David Fincher and it is a technically perfect film. Like 600 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,600 there's so little that I can tell the listeners about how he made this because it's just not the 601 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:16,520 most important thing for me in the film. The, the, the most like it's David Fincher and at this point 602 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:22,600 in his career, he's firing on all cylinders. Yes. Yeah. Like he, we've got this, we've got 603 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,320 Gone Girl coming up. Oh my God. I can't wait. We've got Girl With A Dragon Tattoo, which I, 604 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,840 every day of my life, I wake up sad that they didn't continue that version of the trilogy. 605 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:40,360 I've never seen it. I adore it. It's a ridiculous thing to get invested in because 606 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,840 it's part one of a three part story that they never made parts two and three. 607 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:51,720 That's infuriating. Yeah. I already hate it. Yeah. You'll hate it more once you've seen it 608 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:55,400 and you've seen how brilliant it is. But yeah. This is like Mack and Me. Mack and Me at the end, 609 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,400 the blow up bubble saying we'll be back. They never will be. They know. You're right. Exactly. 610 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:06,040 It's like dad all over again. Yeah. Except for not as upsetting as Mack and Me. It's true. I would 611 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,240 rather have Mack and Me too than a father. Right. Thank you. Well, unfortunately guys, that is 612 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:18,200 everything that we have for you this week. We have sincerely enjoyed hanging out with you 613 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,720 for this hour. We really have. It means the absolute world to us. If you want to support the show, 614 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:28,600 if you want to help us grow, if you're able to, our Patreon is there. There are extra episodes 615 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,360 ready and waiting for you. There's a poll open right now to see which is going to be the content. 616 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:38,280 Very first Patreon exclusive episode. It's going to be super fun. There's a great community of 617 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,960 people in there. That's one way to support the show. We truly, truly, the only one's worth knowing. 618 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,880 No, I'm joking. It's, it truly does mean the world to us that you're willing to support us that way. 619 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:54,120 Equally, if you don't want to sign up to Patreon, you could simply tell a friend, 620 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,720 just literally, Hey buddy, that's what I listened to the other day. This podcast. What's it about? 621 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:04,600 About movies. Oh, okay. Ben's being very nice, but I'm going to go one further and say that if you 622 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:11,640 don't join us on Patreon and you then that's fine. But if you then also don't recommend a friend, 623 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:17,240 you are stealing and we will call the government. We will call the government. You wouldn't download 624 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:21,000 a car. You wouldn't steal a handbag. You wouldn't download a wife. Some people download wives. 625 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,520 I'm sure they do. I've, I've watched a documentary about Japanese men in love with their DS and it 626 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,160 really put into context. I think I saw some of that too. It was amazing, but also I keep getting 627 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,200 these weird AI pop-ups for sort of like get your new AI girlfriend. And I'm like, no, I'm not that 628 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:42,840 lonely. I see now Instagram recommended reels. I know exactly. Dude, I've been doing this with you 629 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:49,320 every time I open it. I'm like, Rob, no, so it's not just me and it's not you. So someone's on there. 630 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,360 I think it's Instagram. I think that's what it is. Instagram's like the, you two are men. Who owns 631 00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:02,200 Instagram? Rob Mark Zuckface, Mark Zuckerberg is I again, I'm suing him for 600 mil. All right. 632 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,400 Stop making it weird when I open Instagram in public. 633 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,320 Ben is right there. That is sadly all the time we have. And to thank you for spending an hour of 634 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,160 your week with us, especially at the start of the week, we know a lot of you listen on a Monday. 635 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,200 So Ben's going to wrap up the thoughts, themes and feelings of this film into a little Monday 636 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:29,560 Motivation Pep Talk while I just tell you to consume. I don't know where to go with this. 637 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,720 Well, there's different ways. I mean, you could be the Winklevoss twins and just give away your 638 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:38,280 multi-million dollar ideas to any programmer that's willing to work with you because they built an MP3 639 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,520 thing and didn't sell it to Microsoft. That's a big red flag. Number one, or you can go Zuckerberg 640 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,760 and be sort of like, Oh, I'm sorry. Did you just upset me a little bit? Did you make me feel like 641 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,200 a little incel weirdo? Or how about this? Boom, nuclear button, change the world. Now you're 642 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,400 fucked forever. Your bloodline will never recover. In fact, none of humanity ever will. 643 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:09,080 So what I'm saying is choose your battles wisely. And maybe, maybe, maybe if you're going to change 644 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:15,640 the world with a revolutionary idea, hope that David Fincher can turn it into a perfect movie. 645 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:16,920 Is that all I'm going to say?