1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Hello everyone and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast. 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,360 My name is Ben Grohls. 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,920 My name is Rob Macfarlane. 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,620 Welcome to the show, a movie podcast slash mental health check in for two broken brain 5 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:26,320 best friends talking around their problems, but not about their problems. 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,320 Yeah. 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,660 Whilst, you know, laughing at movies. 8 00:00:28,660 --> 00:00:32,640 So before we get into what we're doing, Ben, let's ask the more important question. 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Yeah. 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,640 How are you doing? 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,640 I'm doing good, man. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,640 Right? 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,240 I did something last night that I haven't done in months and it felt amazing. 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,240 What was this? 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,240 It was sleep. 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,240 Amazing. 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,280 About 10 to 8, I sat down and was like, I'm just going to have 10 minutes. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,440 And then I woke up at 8 o'clock this morning and was like, ah, I'm in the future. 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,280 You woke up like Ash at the end of Evil Ted. 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,640 I literally woke up like ass at the end of Evil Dead. 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Ash. 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,640 That's what I said. 23 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Oh, okay. 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,640 How are you, buddy? 25 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,360 I've got to say last episode, we said we were swear jarring, but we weren't. 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,360 We weren't. 27 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Now I censor the swearing. 28 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,320 We need to watch that because it adds significant amount of time to the amount of time it takes 29 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:18,320 to edit. 30 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:19,320 I'm like, oh, there's another one. 31 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,040 I'll just grab a ukulele sample and pop that on and play. 32 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,040 And oh, there's another one. 33 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,040 I'll just grab a ukulele. 34 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Oh, that's not quite right. 35 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,440 Okay. 36 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,360 So we're back on the swear jar then. 37 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Yeah. 38 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Let's just limit ourselves to not be what we were last weekend, which was a child's 39 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,080 first ukulele practice. 40 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,080 Fuck. 41 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Oh, yeah. 42 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,080 Like that. 43 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:41,080 Yeah. 44 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,360 Now, Ben, not everyone likes everything. 45 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,360 Sardines. 46 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,360 Franz Ferdinand. 47 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Choking. 48 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,360 Okay. 49 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Yeah. 50 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Not everyone. 51 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Pineapple on pizza. 52 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:54,800 That's right. 53 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,080 So, dear listener, hear us cry pineapple. 54 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,080 It's just a short bit of the chat that might not be to everyone's taste. 55 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,560 And you know, it's less about the film than a brand new listener might need. 56 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,560 But not to worry. 57 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:10,800 The fully spicy Hawaiian version of every episode is available over on Patreon days 58 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,920 beforehand with all the pineapples you could ever want for just one pound a month. 59 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:20,240 It's literally just a quid a month and you get like extra peek behind the curtain. 60 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,240 Yeah. 61 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,240 What are they talking about? 62 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,760 What's that pineapple for? 63 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:24,760 Right. 64 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,760 So, our potty mouths are going to be censored in this version of the episode, but you can 65 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,040 hear all the bad words you like over on Patreon. 66 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Like cunt. 67 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Like cunt. 68 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Now, Ben, what are we doing? 69 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,560 I just hear edits now every time. 70 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Yeah, buddy. 71 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,560 Yeah, buddy. 72 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,560 What are we doing? 73 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,560 What are we doing this week, Ben? 74 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Let's get to it. 75 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,880 This week, buddy, we are back on the Fincher train, baby. 76 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:56,760 As we look back at every David Fincher movie ever, we land on the movie all about David 77 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Fincher looking back. 78 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,400 The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. 79 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Now we've got a lot to get into this episode. 80 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,520 We're going to get into the long, long road that this film took from page to screen. 81 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,040 It's possibly the longest we've ever covered. 82 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Why this is the best romance movie I've ever seen in my entire life. 83 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,040 How Fincher's camera forces you to relate to his characters. 84 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,280 My wild theory as to how Fincher got into making this film. 85 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,400 It is not true, but it is very fun. 86 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,680 And why this is the worst romance I've ever seen. 87 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,600 That's unbelievable that you've just said that sentence out loud. 88 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,600 It's what, Ben? 89 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,600 Sorry? 90 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,600 It's what? 91 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,900 I said that is fluffing unbelievable that you've just said that sentence out loud. 92 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:42,520 Thank you for saving me the edit. 93 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Welcome. 94 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Look, this might be Fincher's biggest ugly duckling. 95 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,360 I think even more so than the game. 96 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Even people that love the game hate this. 97 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,720 Because they have poor taste in movies. 98 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:58,640 I think it's the least David Fincher, David Fincher film. 99 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,120 I think it's because it's the least David Fincher of all of the David Fincher films. 100 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,120 I'll agree. 101 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,240 And I think that might be part of why he did it. 102 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Okay. 103 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,240 I like that. 104 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,240 I like that theory. 105 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,440 I like to think of it as like, you know how Panic Room was like his perfect date movie? 106 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,440 Yeah. 107 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,840 And it was just flexing his muscles being like, yeah, I can do this. 108 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:17,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 109 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:21,440 I think he did that again, but this time was just sort of like, yeah, but what about if 110 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,600 it's early 1900s and also an incredible romance story? 111 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,400 Yeah, same. 112 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,400 I hate that stuff. 113 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,400 I'm not into that. 114 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Do I look like the sort of guy that likes early 1900s romance stories? 115 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,760 You could be, Ben. 116 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,760 You just limit yourself. 117 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 You limit yourself to say that you're not because you think that somehow that's a smart 118 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,840 person's thing and you're not a smart person. 119 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:42,840 You're very smart. 120 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:44,480 If you're poorly educated, there's a big difference. 121 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Thanks, mate. 122 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,480 You didn't have to say that. 123 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,480 Well, it's true. 124 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,480 And I hate this. 125 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Like, oh, I don't read books because I'm stupid. 126 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,360 You're not stupid. 127 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,440 I do read books. 128 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,000 I don't read books without pictures in because I'm stupid. 129 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Thank you. 130 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 That's better. 131 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,880 And I don't like it. 132 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:00,880 You're as smart as I am. 133 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,080 It's just, you know, I had the benefit of an education. 134 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,080 And money and a family. 135 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,080 It's fine. 136 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Money, no. 137 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,080 I'm joking. 138 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,080 I'm joking. 139 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,640 It's just your accent that's posh. 140 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,200 Yes, for reasons. 141 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,200 Yeah. 142 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,200 Which you've never asked about. 143 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,480 So I ask about it all the time. 144 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,280 You just give me stupid answers. 145 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:18,280 Drama. 146 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:19,280 Yeah, baby. 147 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:24,280 Before we dive in, where's, where's Fincher? 148 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280 Where's Fincher? 149 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:26,280 What that man do? 150 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:27,280 Where that man been? 151 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:37,600 Well, this man tried to make a remake of the popular adult animated film, Heavy Metal. 152 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,600 You what? 153 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,800 He tried to get a Heavy Metal remake off the ground. 154 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,520 I would pay so much money to see a Heavy Metal remake by Fincher. 155 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Right. 156 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,520 That's actually ridiculous. 157 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,520 He was asked about it. 158 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,520 And do you want to hear his answer? 159 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Yeah. 160 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,520 David Fincher. 161 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,440 You know, when you tell people you want to make an R-rated animation for teenage boys, 162 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,960 oddly enough, they don't flock to put up cash for it. 163 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,000 But it is what it is. 164 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 165 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,200 That makes total sense. 166 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,280 He was trying to make a movie called Torso, which was about the Cleveland torso murderer 167 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:11,280 and went unsolved. 168 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:16,520 All about Elliot Ness, who was part of the whole Untouchables, played by Kevin Costner. 169 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,120 So he was on to crack a second cold case, essentially, right? 170 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Yeah, essentially. 171 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,560 And then that never came to be. 172 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,760 And then briefly floated the idea of a Fight Club Broadway musical. 173 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,880 Oh my God, I'd pay so much money to see that. 174 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Right. 175 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,880 And that didn't happen either. 176 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,040 Who would do the music? 177 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,040 The Pixies? 178 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,160 But it would be, it would be 2008 Pixies, which is not good Pixies. 179 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Ah, I see. 180 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Yeah. 181 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,440 This is post Kim Gordon Pixies, right? 182 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,440 Yeah. 183 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,440 Okay. 184 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,440 Yeah. 185 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Yeah. 186 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:47,440 It's probably for the best. 187 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,440 That's probably why it didn't get made. 188 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,440 You know what I mean? 189 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,440 They were like, yeah. 190 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Right. 191 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,440 And I've heard, where is my mind now? 192 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,440 What time are we in? 193 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,440 All right. 194 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,440 Come on. 195 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Buddy, let me, I have no idea what time we're in. 196 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,440 Let me take you back. 197 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Let me take you back. 198 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,440 Let me paint a word picture for you. 199 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,440 You ready? 200 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Right. 201 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,560 The year is 2008. 202 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:09,840 And a tiny little streaming service called Spotify promises to end piracy and finally 203 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,760 get the music industry, the money it needs to pay those working and at fair rates again. 204 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,560 I believed that and I went into the music industry. 205 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,560 I didn't. 206 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,080 And I went to Japan. 207 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Wall Street is totally fine. 208 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,320 And those subprime mortgage bundles have been doing absolute bits for the economy. 209 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,240 There's no way you're going to see lads with boxes full of their stuff pouring out of bank 210 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,240 offices. 211 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Yeah. 212 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,240 It's 2008, buddy. 213 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,480 And Barack Obama is elected to be the first African-American president of the United States. 214 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Yes. 215 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,520 You know what this means? 216 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,120 This is going to permanently end America's sad history of racial division and hatred. 217 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,240 It will never be seen again, Rob. 218 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,680 It is a, it is a racial utopia from 2008 onwards. 219 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,920 It's 2008, my dear boy. 220 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Yeah. 221 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:08,320 And David Fincher is given $167 million to make the curious case of Benjamin Button. 222 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Can I just very quickly say that I'm getting, it's getting more and more infuriating the 223 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,280 more specific these budgets are getting. 224 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,760 Gladiator was 103 and it made me feel like I had ants under my skin. 225 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,320 167 is the, it's somehow worse. 226 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,320 I don't know why. 227 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Right. 228 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,960 It's an odd number, but it's a big odd number. 229 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Just round it up. 230 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,520 I feel like 103, right? 231 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,680 It's that we were aiming for a hundred and then when we did the accounting, we realized 232 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:34,680 we'd overspent a bit. 233 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:35,680 Sure. 234 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:36,680 So it's 103. 235 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:37,680 What are you going to do? 236 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:38,680 Not pay people. 237 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:39,680 Yeah, I guess. 238 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:40,680 I guess. 239 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:41,800 Also ants under my skin. 240 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:42,800 It's infuriating. 241 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,800 Round it up. 242 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,320 Oh, we've overspent by 2 million. 243 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Brilliant. 244 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,320 Throw in another three. 245 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,320 You know what I mean? 246 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,320 In for a penny, in for a pound. 247 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,320 Yeah, exactly. 248 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,320 Screw it. 249 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,800 And that's why you don't work at a film studio. 250 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,800 This is why I failed. 251 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,840 This is why I got fired as an accountant. 252 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:57,840 You know what I mean? 253 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:58,840 Right. 254 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:04,960 I'm assuming you're a big fan of early 1900s romance movies as we've already established. 255 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,240 You saw this when it came out. 256 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,240 I did. 257 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,240 I did. 258 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,240 And? 259 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,240 Oh, you did see it when it came out. 260 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,240 I saw it when it came out. 261 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,240 I was not a fan. 262 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,240 Why? 263 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,240 So I was 20. 264 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,240 Right. 265 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,400 And I was in that part of my life where I'm sort of like, I'm going to educate myself. 266 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,400 You know what I mean? 267 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Mm hmm. 268 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Fincher comes out with a new film. 269 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,400 I'm like, I'm going to go see it. 270 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Didn't go well. 271 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Yeah. 272 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,400 It didn't land. 273 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,400 It didn't stick. 274 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,200 The books of VHS drew me back bit by bit. 275 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,200 Right. 276 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,200 Yeah, I was 20. 277 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,920 I was young, dumb and full of enthusiasm. 278 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:36,920 My whole life was in front of me. 279 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,920 You know what I mean? 280 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:38,920 Everything was in front of me. 281 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:39,920 One life. 282 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:40,920 No ragrats. 283 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:48,200 Now, my dear boy, now my dear Rob, I'm closer to 40 than I am to 30. 284 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,760 And it's a whole different ball game now. 285 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,240 I make involuntary noises when I stand up. 286 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,800 My one knee is somehow more sensitive than my other knee. 287 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:56,800 So slapped. 288 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,320 And I don't know why it's just happened at some point where I'm like, it's because you 289 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,040 keep slapping it when you want to make, when you want to say your goodbyes. 290 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,100 I do, to be fair. 291 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:05,100 It's always my right. 292 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:06,100 I need to stop that. 293 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:07,100 It's a very dangerous game. 294 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:08,100 You slap it and you go, well. 295 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:09,100 Yeah. 296 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:10,100 Right. 297 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:11,100 I do that all the time. 298 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:12,100 I'm a head out. 299 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:13,100 Yeah. 300 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:19,760 So watching this film again for this, the meaning of it has changed dramatically over 301 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,760 the last 16 years. 302 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Saw it when it came out and I thought, what a load of tosh. 303 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Who cares? 304 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Who cares? 305 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,680 I was a little old man growing up, but also growing down. 306 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,680 Why is everyone crying? 307 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:30,680 Who cares? 308 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:31,680 Watch it this time around. 309 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:35,080 And I was like, Oh my dear God, my heart is in a thousand pieces. 310 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Fincher has just ended my current arc. 311 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,280 How about you? 312 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,280 Okay. 313 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,000 That's going to make what I have to say really offensive. 314 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,280 I'm sorry, because I don't mean this about you. 315 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Okay. 316 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,080 Adele, as a musical artist. 317 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Sure. 318 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Is really popular because millions of people think she's fine. 319 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Okay. 320 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Yeah. 321 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,120 I'll agree with that. 322 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Right. 323 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Her music is bought by the sort of people that buy two albums a year. 324 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,120 Yes. 325 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,120 The other one was Sam Smith. 326 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Yeah. 327 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,720 And they were both bought from Starbucks on an impulse buy whilst getting a frappuccino. 328 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,720 Exactly. 329 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,720 Yeah. 330 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:09,720 I got you. 331 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,780 It's people who go to the supermarket and they'll go, I'll buy that new Taylor Swift 332 00:11:11,780 --> 00:11:13,600 album because I hear it's good. 333 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Yeah. 334 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,080 And then they listen to it and they go, I love music. 335 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,640 And you go, what are you into? 336 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,720 And they go, David Essex, Taylor Swift, Kylie and Adele. 337 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Yeah. 338 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,720 I mean, don't bad mouth Kylie. 339 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,040 She dropped a couple of bangers recently. 340 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,040 Let's not deny that. 341 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,040 Yeah. 342 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Okay. 343 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,040 She did. 344 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Yeah. 345 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,040 Right. 346 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,040 She's a lovely woman. 347 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,040 She's a lovely woman who I happen to work with. 348 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Oh, sorry, mate. 349 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,040 Did you just drop that? 350 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,040 You dropped that. 351 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,040 I've already added the sound effect in the edit. 352 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,040 All right. 353 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,040 Yeah. 354 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Nice on. 355 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Nice. 356 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Yeah. 357 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,040 But for me, this is David Fincher at his most Adele. 358 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,320 Oh, that's painful. 359 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,320 Right. 360 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:54,240 And I feel like it's the sort of romance movie that people that don't watch cinema, they'll 361 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,480 go see it and rather than seeing like sleepless and Seattle, they'll see this and they'll go, 362 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,000 wow, it was really artsy and cinema. 363 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Okay. 364 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 I'll agree with that. 365 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,600 This is so Adele listeners can feel like they've had a real cinema thing. 366 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,200 I agree with you wholeheartedly. 367 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,840 It's about as weak as a David Fincher film can get for me. 368 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,840 Okay. 369 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,680 And I've actually written in the notes and I'm going to have to say it because I've written 370 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:17,680 it. 371 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,400 So this is just making time for me later in the edit. 372 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Hit the ukuleles. 373 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,840 I despise this piece of movie. 374 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Wow. 375 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,560 But why I despise it is interesting. 376 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:32,400 That's what I'd like to talk about. 377 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Okay. 378 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,400 That's fine. 379 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,400 That's fine. 380 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,600 So it's not going to be just me going, I think it's rubbish. 381 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,040 There's a reason why I think it's rubbish. 382 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Okay. 383 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,560 I think it's an informative reason. 384 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,240 Before we get into that, I would just want to say for those of you who haven't seen the 385 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,880 film in ages and want a quick refresher on what this film is about, so you know what 386 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,560 hell we're talking about later in the episode, or for those of you who are just here because 387 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:56,720 you enjoy hanging out with us, we enjoy hanging out with you. 388 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,200 You might not necessarily want to rewatch this film or watch it ever. 389 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,200 I recommend not. 390 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,200 I recommend you do. 391 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,200 I recommend you do. 392 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,540 I really do. 393 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:06,800 But we're going to just go through the plot now real quick. 394 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,120 So we're all on the same page. 395 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:14,600 Ben, I'm going to play the jingle. 396 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Benjamin Button is born in 1918 New Orleans as a wrinkled ball sack baby. 397 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,640 His father shocked and distraught, abandons him on the steps of a nursing home, where 398 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:34,200 a slightly too stereotypically sassy caretaker named Queenie, that's mean, she's fantastic, 399 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,280 takes him in and raises him as a... 400 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,200 But come on, she's written by a white guy. 401 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Oh, a thousand percent. 402 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,680 There's too many ooh-chiles in there. 403 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,440 It's New Orleans in 1918. 404 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,440 You weren't there. 405 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,440 No? 406 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,440 Right. 407 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,440 Okay. 408 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,440 She's one step away from asking for Thomas to come in and help take care of the mouse. 409 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,440 Kinda. 410 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Kinda. 411 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,440 Right? 412 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,440 Okay. 413 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,440 Almost. 414 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,440 Okay. 415 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,440 We're all on the same page. 416 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,440 All right. 417 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,440 I'll give you that one. 418 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Queenie takes him in and raises him as her own. 419 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,880 Though Benjamin begins life with the physical limitations of an elderly gentleman, he ages 420 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,160 backwards, gradually growing younger over time. 421 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,200 While his body becomes stronger, he experiences the world through the eyes of someone who 422 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,120 appears elderly, but is discovering life for the first time. 423 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,880 As Benjamin ages in reverse, he meets and befriends Daisy, a young girl visiting her 424 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,400 grandmother in the nursing home. 425 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Despite their age difference, well, perceived age difference, they share a deep bond that 426 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:33,080 will endure through the years, despite being incredibly non-C in presentation. 427 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Benjamin's life takes him beyond the nursing home as he works on the tugboat and travels 428 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,880 around the world. 429 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,440 He fights in World War II, experiencing loss and adventure that shape his view of life. 430 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,240 After the war, he returns to New Orleans, reconnecting with Queenie and eventually meeting 431 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,040 his estranged father, who on his deathbed confesses his identity and leaves Benjamin 432 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,040 his family fortunes. 433 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,000 That's inexplicable. 434 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,000 We're having words after this. 435 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 That's inexcusable. 436 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 In time! 437 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:16,840 In time, Benjamin and Daisy reconnect as adults, now closer in physical age. 438 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,000 They fall in love and eventually try to build a life together. 439 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 It's still on the fence. 440 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,600 It's fine. 441 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,560 They face the unique challenge of Benjamin's reverse aging, which casts a shadow over their 442 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,560 happiness. 443 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,800 They have a daughter, but as Benjamin grows younger, he realizes that his condition will 444 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,760 soon make it impossible for him to be a proper father. 445 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:42,660 To spare Daisy and their daughter from the pain and burden of his condition, he chooses 446 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:49,680 to leave, distancing himself to let them live a more stable life. 447 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Years later, as Benjamin continues to age backwards into adolescence and then childhood 448 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,320 – stop looking at me like that – Daisy re-enters his life to take care for him, putting 449 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,840 the noncy shoe on the other foot. 450 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:06,440 She watches over him as he regresses to infancy, bringing his unusual life full circle. 451 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:12,240 Ultimately, Benjamin dies in Daisy's care, his story ending with the same sense of mystery 452 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,120 and wonder with which it began. 453 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:20,280 I'd also say ending with the same sense of vague, unpleasant sexual dynamic with which 454 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,280 it began. 455 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Yeah, right. 456 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,680 This film is kind of book-ended and noncery. 457 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,240 For our US listeners, nonce is a child sex predator. 458 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:37,600 It's a nice fun word that we've invented to water down the gravity of the horror. 459 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,240 So when we say nonce, we mean pedophile. 460 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Yeah, this film is kind of book-ended and noncery. 461 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,760 A noncery rhyme, if you will. 462 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,840 It's hard to swallow at places. 463 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,600 That's a clap clap clap noncery rhyme. 464 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,760 Don't bury that lead. 465 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Thank you. 466 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:06,640 Well, it's not, it's an anti-pedo movie because its central message is even if you, as a problematic 467 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,480 person, think that physical age is just a number, the film is a demonstration of life 468 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,520 experience being far more important. 469 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,840 It literally doesn't matter what this person looks like or what age their body is, what 470 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,720 have they been through. 471 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,440 He is a 70 year old child with the experiences of a child and it doesn't make it okay. 472 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,080 It's about life experience. 473 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,680 The physical look of it though. 474 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,440 That's the uncomfortable bit. 475 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:40,120 It's being a very elderly woman in love with a newborn infant child, right? 476 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:41,800 Yes. 477 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,960 The film doesn't present it as sexual love, but they had a romantic relationship and she's 478 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:54,040 taking care of this child who was once her romantic sexual partner. 479 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,040 It's odd. 480 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,040 It's odd. 481 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,040 It's odd. 482 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,040 I feel like we've focused on it for too long though. 483 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,840 I feel like we've got the bookends. 484 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,040 It's a small part of the film. 485 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,320 It just happens to be the start and the end. 486 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,320 Now there's one thing that's longer. 487 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,280 Now there's one thing that's older than Benjamin Button in this film. 488 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Go on. 489 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,840 It's the making of. 490 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,920 How long did this take to make though? 491 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,200 I can obviously see in the film, you can see that a lot's gone into it. 492 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,520 I imagine it took a couple of years to get it going and whatnot. 493 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,600 Let's go back, back, back because this goes back, back, back. 494 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:38,200 There is a short story collection by F. Scott Fitzgerald who wrote The Great Gatsby and 495 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,360 one of the great American authors that they like to pretend are as good as European ones. 496 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:47,200 And this was one of the short stories in there. 497 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,640 You've just infuriated the nine authors that listen to this show. 498 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,920 They're just sort of like, they're sitting there, they're writing and they're like... 499 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,440 America doesn't have nine authors of no-fit. 500 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,440 Oh my God. 501 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,440 All right, yeah, fine. 502 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Don't you think they've been through enough recently? 503 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,440 Can we not cut them a bit of slack? 504 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Jesus. 505 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,440 They need to get writing is what they need to do. 506 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,880 Oh, there's nothing to write about. 507 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Atwood did all right. 508 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,600 Now her stories have come true. 509 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,400 So deal with it. 510 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,880 The rights to the story were first bought by Ray Stark. 511 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,400 Tony's long lost brother. 512 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,400 Yes. 513 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,800 Back in the late seventies. 514 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Wow. 515 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:23,800 Okay. 516 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,560 With Jack Nicholson set to star as Benjamin Button. 517 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,560 Incredible. 518 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Incredible. 519 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,440 The film rights were bought by Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy. 520 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,440 Amazing. 521 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,440 And Amblin. 522 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,440 Awesome. 523 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,400 Then Kennedy and Marshall left to start their own production company, bringing the rights 524 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:45,080 along with them and started developing this movie in 1994 with Tom Cruise as the lead 525 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,800 and Steven Spielberg in the 1990s. 526 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Oh my God. 527 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,800 This would have been amazing. 528 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,800 This would have been amazing. 529 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,800 David Fincher. 530 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:52,800 Yeah. 531 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,800 Quote here. 532 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,800 David Fincher. 533 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,800 Actually, I read the first first draft of this script, which was in 1992. 534 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Yeah. 535 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,920 Steven Spielberg was making it at the time with Tom Cruise. 536 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,920 Amazing. 537 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,600 And it was mostly like a writing sample. 538 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,320 Someone gave me it as this is one of the great unmade screenplays. 539 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Either it was they were trying to get it off the ground or it was being shuttered and it 540 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,440 sat on the shelf for at least 10 years. 541 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:22,000 Well probably nine years because 2001 is when I read the latest incarnation of it. 542 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,920 In 1998 they had Ron Howard set to direct with John Travolta as the lead. 543 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,920 Oh, okay. 544 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,920 It just went back and forth and back and forth. 545 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,280 And then Eric Roth got involved and rewrote it. 546 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Incredible. 547 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,560 And that's when David Fincher got involved. 548 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,560 Right. 549 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,240 And that was a very, very long route to make this film. 550 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:47,160 And when you think about it, this is 2008, which is the sort of birth of semi decent 551 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,160 CGI. 552 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,160 Yeah. 553 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,160 Yeah. 554 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,160 Even David Fincher himself says about the CGI in this. 555 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,560 He's like in some of the scenes here, you can't tell that we've done CGI. 556 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Yes. 557 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,560 And in others, it just gets you from A to B. We all know what's going on. 558 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,560 We can see it. 559 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,560 That's it. 560 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,560 It's incredible. 561 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,560 Other parts is Alien 3. 562 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,560 Do you know what I mean? 563 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,560 Yeah, literally. 564 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,200 Even he knew at the time he was like, look, we don't win 100%. 565 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,320 20% of the time it works 100% of the time. 566 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,320 I love this man so much. 567 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,320 So much. 568 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,200 But before 2008, you couldn't have done this film. 569 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,120 You'd have to have done a series of actors who all looked very similar. 570 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:35,960 Or you'd have to do very clunky scenes of some completely new character, actor walks 571 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,960 in that you've never seen. 572 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,160 And someone goes, oh, Benjamin Button. 573 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Hello, Benjamin Button. 574 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,560 And you'd go, oh, okay, this is where we are now. 575 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,120 It would have been a nightmare to make before digital technology. 576 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:47,120 Don't get me wrong. 577 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,880 I would have loved to send that film. 578 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,880 I truly would have. 579 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,200 I would have loved to send any of the incantations that you've just spoken about. 580 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,200 Incantations. 581 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,200 Incarnations. 582 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,200 Sim sim maledictim. 583 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,200 There you go. 584 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,200 I got it. 585 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,200 That's all right. 586 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,200 I'm going to send it. 587 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Let me cook. 588 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,200 All right. 589 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,200 Let me cook. 590 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,920 It's going to take me a minute to get there, but you know, we there. 591 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:15,880 The film that we did get might be the best romantic film that I've ever seen in my entire 592 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,880 life. 593 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,880 Oh, okay. 594 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,880 That's interesting. 595 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,240 Because what that tells me is that you've never seen any. 596 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,400 No, I've seen a lot. 597 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,400 See, that's my issue. 598 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,400 I've seen a lot. 599 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,320 Like secretly, deep down, I'm like, are you a romantic? 600 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,560 I'm a little bit of like, not a romantic, but I'm a little bit of like a romcom type 601 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,560 person. 602 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,560 It's like a guilty pleasure. 603 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,560 Romcoms don't count. 604 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Romcoms count. 605 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,560 Romcoms count. 606 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,840 I like romantic stories. 607 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 I like romantic books. 608 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,640 I'm good with this stuff, but also we'll never ever talk about it. 609 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,520 Right, because when I did, you mercilessly mocked me. 610 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,520 Oh yeah. 611 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,520 A thousand percent. 612 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,200 But that's why I'll never mention it, because that will happen to me and I couldn't live 613 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,300 with myself. 614 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:56,080 It's the social equivalent of walking up to an automatic door, it not opening, but I know 615 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,080 the shops open. 616 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,760 I can never go back to that door again. 617 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,760 Like I just move. 618 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:00,760 You know what I mean? 619 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,040 Just pulling the push door until the hinges snap. 620 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,040 Legitimately. 621 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,880 I would never be able to, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. 622 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,880 I'd have to move house. 623 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,200 I'd have to move town. 624 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,280 But this might be the most romantic, the best romantic film that I've ever seen. 625 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,760 And I think it hit me at a moment, okay, that I needed it more than anything. 626 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:24,120 It's pure, it's pure life lessons and it's absolute tragedy. 627 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,520 There is a gorgeous story, smack bang in the middle, right? 628 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,520 Gorgeous. 629 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,360 And it is, it's book, we've made a joke saying it's bookended and nonsery, but it starts 630 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:40,740 off very sad and sort of full of abandonment and struggles and figuring out what's going 631 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:42,840 on and getting used to the world around you, right? 632 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:49,720 But you're also confronted with this one person that is living life wildly different to everyone 633 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,800 else and you get a unique viewpoint of the world. 634 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,520 And the unique viewpoint of the world still has the same struggles that we all go through, 635 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,520 right? 636 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,520 Aging backwards, all of this stuff. 637 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,240 It's all fine. 638 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,320 In the end of the film, everyone dies. 639 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,320 Everyone is forced apart. 640 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,320 They're all kept apart in this sort of like heartache, heartbreak. 641 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,040 No, no, no, it can never work because obviously it can never work, right? 642 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,040 Right. 643 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,040 Of course not. 644 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,040 Yeah. 645 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,720 But they're kept apart mainly for a big chunk of the story through poor choices, bad decisions, 646 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:29,640 and they all come round to teach the person who made those bad choices a lesson. 647 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:36,800 And looking at it, you're like, oh, these are lovely upstanding citizens with nothing 648 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:44,080 but the best intentions and they still veer off the road dramatically into every oncoming 649 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,360 car imaginable, right? 650 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,400 Literally in the case of Daisy outside the dance studio. 651 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,400 This is what I mean. 652 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,200 Dancing into oncoming traffic. 653 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,280 This is what I mean. 654 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:58,520 It's like there is not a bad will in this film, but there are so many bad things that 655 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,440 happen just off like chance scenarios and all this stuff. 656 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,440 It's incredible. 657 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:10,840 The thing that really got me is the commentary of success and the commentary of worth. 658 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:11,840 How do you mean? 659 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,720 You've got Benjamin Button's father. 660 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Hugely wealthy, hugely successful. 661 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,840 Successful businessman, yeah. 662 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Massively successful businessman, right? 663 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,520 All the money in the world, massive button business, huge factory, an empire, you know, 664 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,520 everyone's jealous of. 665 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,520 Yeah. 666 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,720 But then you've got people like Queenie. 667 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,520 House manager of a senior dementia care home. 668 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Exactly. 669 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Lives in a basement. 670 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,520 Existing on charity. 671 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,520 Lives in a bed. 672 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,520 Yeah. 673 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,520 Has a bed and a chest of drawers to her name. 674 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,520 Presented as a more successful character. 675 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,520 That's yeah. 676 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,600 But this is the thing though, and the way that they do it is great because you get all the 677 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,800 normal stuff of being so like, oh, it must be lonely being this big businessman and all 678 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,800 this stuff. 679 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,240 And what's made it hit me the hardest is when Benjamin's father passes away, it cuts to 680 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,840 his funeral and there is, you know, six or seven people sparsely stood around and no 681 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,840 one's crying. 682 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,840 No one's really asked. 683 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,080 They're like, man, you know, he's a good man, but what did he do? 684 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Buttons? 685 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,080 Yeah, great. 686 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,080 I've got some mate, you know what I mean? 687 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,080 Not missed. 688 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Yeah. 689 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,120 And then when Queenie dies, you've got a room full of people heartbroken and you've got 690 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:15,780 just an enormous crowd of people of every single, every single one of them was touched 691 00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:18,600 in some way by Queenie and it was all in a positive way. 692 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,600 And it's this huge gathering of- 693 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Not in Michael Jackson way. 694 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,600 Not in Michael Jackson way. 695 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,600 No, no, no, no, no. 696 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,600 Right. 697 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,600 Yeah. 698 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,140 And it's just, it just, I think when you're hit, when you're approaching 40, you start 699 00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:28,140 looking at stuff. 700 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:30,120 I've started taking care of my lung issues now. 701 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:31,680 My chest issues are getting sorted. 702 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,920 You finally went to the doctor. 703 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,920 Well done. 704 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,920 I did. 705 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,920 Yeah. 706 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,440 So obviously with all this going on, now I'm convinced it's like, you know, death is coming. 707 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,440 Yeah. 708 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Knock, knock motherfucker. 709 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,520 And then it's like, well, what do I want? 710 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,960 What do I want my success to be defined by? 711 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,200 Do I want it to be defined by a room full of people that were like, he made a positive 712 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,200 impact in my life. 713 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Or is it six people that were like, yeah, he was minted though. 714 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Minted at buttons. 715 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,720 Do you know what I mean? 716 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,720 Yeah. 717 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,720 He had loads of buttons though, mate. 718 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,720 He's buried in buttons. 719 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,720 That's what I mean. 720 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:04,600 And it's that, it's that sort of like reframing of what success is and what, what is good. 721 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,160 It is lovely. 722 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,920 I'm glad you enjoyed the film and you're right to have enjoyed the film. 723 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 I hated it and I'm going to get into why. 724 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,360 Because we've started with why you love it. 725 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,080 I'll save why I hated it to the end. 726 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,080 Do it. 727 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,960 Because I don't think we're too different in our read on the film. 728 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,960 Okay. 729 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,960 That's good. 730 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:30,920 I think something I noticed, I noticed on Zodiac and it, it's less evident in this one, 731 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,480 but I know it's coming down the pipe. 732 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,480 Right. 733 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,200 And so I feel like I have to mention it now. 734 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,200 Okay. 735 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,720 This is kind of the second film now that David Fincher shot fully digital. 736 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,720 Okay. 737 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,240 There's no, there's very little in the way of film. 738 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,240 Yeah. 739 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,560 There's a scene at the end where Benjamin's going around India. 740 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,560 Yes. 741 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,520 And that's filmed by a director called Tarsem Singh, who was going around India anyway with 742 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Brad Pitt. 743 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,520 Okay. 744 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,400 Tarsem Singh did The Cell with Jennifer Lopez and Vince Vaughan. 745 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,160 You've mentioned this film loads over the last two years. 746 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,160 I love it. 747 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,160 Yeah. 748 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,160 Okay. 749 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,880 It's a, it's like a visually, and he did a film called The Fall, which is also visually 750 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,160 just stunning. 751 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:12,400 He does like really psychedelic, visually stunning statement shots. 752 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,400 Okay. 753 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,360 But he just ties them all together and you just end up, it's like eye candy. 754 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:17,360 Incredible. 755 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,080 And it's, it's fantastical and all this kind of stuff. 756 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,400 I need to watch some of his stuff. 757 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,400 Right. 758 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,760 So that the bit at India at the end was shot by Tarsem Singh. 759 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,440 And that's the only bit of film in the movie. 760 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,920 The rest is all done on digital. 761 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,480 David Fincher said, I love film. 762 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,280 I think it looks beautiful. 763 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,880 And in the right hands to me, there are maybe 10 guys in the world that make a difference 764 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,880 with it. 765 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,880 Okay. 766 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,840 And that horrible gnawing 24 hour period between having shot something and seeing it. 767 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Oh yeah. 768 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,080 What the fuck? 769 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640 You don't have one take that's in sharp focus. 770 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,640 Yeah. 771 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,160 I will trade four or five stops of high end shoulder exposure for the ability to have 772 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,880 a 23 inch HD monitor that allows me to go see this thing here. 773 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,280 It's out of focus. 774 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,360 Yeah, that's fair. 775 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,360 That's fair. 776 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:11,400 Because of his work method, the multiple takes, the exploring every avenue. 777 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,760 On digital, it's a lot easier to go, I've got that. 778 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,760 We can move on. 779 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,240 It's a lot harder with film. 780 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,280 And I think his bad reputation for taking so many takes makes more sense when you realize 781 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120 he's not going to see any of this until tomorrow. 782 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,120 Oh yeah. 783 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,740 That adds a whole different thing to this scenario. 784 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:35,160 By which point the set will be collapsed and the actors will all be in different locations. 785 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,160 Ah, yeah. 786 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,160 Okay. 787 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,160 This makes more sense now. 788 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,080 The other thing that digital allows him to do, which he starts to do a lot more now, 789 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,360 and by the time we get into Gone Girl and the social network, he is a master of it. 790 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,120 He forces you to empathize with his characters by doing something really clever. 791 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,080 Whenever you look at a David Fincher shot, wherever the actor is in the frame, his camera 792 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,480 operator or his motion control or whichever one he ends up using on that shot will keep 793 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,400 that character in that exact same part of the frame for the length of the shot. 794 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,020 If Jake Gyllenhaal walks across the screen, he doesn't walk across the frame. 795 00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:19,960 His face stays exactly where the XY coordinates of his face on that screen stay the same. 796 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,120 The camera copies every movement. 797 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,920 If he ducks a little bit as he walks, the camera ducks a little bit as he walks. 798 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:34,240 So you as the viewer, the way that you're viewing the scene is entirely tied to the 799 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,240 movement of the person that you're watching. 800 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,480 So if they're skittish, the camera is skittish. 801 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,960 If they move deliberately with purpose, the camera moves deliberately with purpose. 802 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:51,680 But it's almost like the camera copies the actor's performance so accurately that your 803 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,800 brain sort of subconsciously clicks into their experience of the world. 804 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200 You'll notice it in Gone Girl, you'll notice it in this. 805 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,040 If Brad Pitt shifts in his chair a little bit, the camera moves with him. 806 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,960 I'm going to have to go back and watch every Fencher film and just try and track this. 807 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,600 As we go forward from here, it gets stronger and it forces an empathy with the characters 808 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,600 and he's gone from composing the sets like he did with Panic Room. 809 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,980 And then again you go, well that would take loads of shots. 810 00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:29,440 Because if your camera operator doesn't quite keep up and Jake Gyllenhaal at one point starts 811 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760 on the left hand side of the frame and ends up on the right a bit and then ends up on 812 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,920 the left again, doesn't work. 813 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,760 That's not what I'm trying to do anymore. 814 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160 Okay, so this makes so much sense. 815 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,800 There's a 30 minute documentary on the curious case of Benjamin Button and it's called The 816 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,360 Curious Birth of Benjamin Button. 817 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,040 It's like a behind the scenes thing that goes into everything, like down to the layout of 818 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,720 the house, why they used New Orleans, why they chose this exact location. 819 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:04,160 There are parts of the set that we never see but are built fully fleshed out, fully operational 820 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440 like outhouses, kitchens, all this stuff. 821 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,880 There is a whole house at the back of the house, the servants quarters, you don't really 822 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:12,880 see, but it's there. 823 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,240 But it's fully fleshed out and it's down to the minute detail. 824 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,280 They're all sort of like, they are so precise it's unreal. 825 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,040 This whole documentary goes into it but there is one moment in the documentary where they're 826 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,200 trying to get a tracking shot of Queenie as Brad Pitt comes back to the house when he's 827 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,120 younger and Daisy has moved back from New York. 828 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,920 It's when they first fully get back together, they have the big embrace and hug. 829 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,920 I remember it. 830 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,720 It's maybe a five second shot of Queenie walking across the porch. 831 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:49,320 There's about a 10 minute segment of this documentary that focuses on nothing but that 832 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,320 shot right? 833 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,320 Right. 834 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,720 And it's Fincher stood there and he's like, action! 835 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,560 And it shows Queenie walking across and he goes, no, no, you're about one tenth of a 836 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,080 percent too quick on that one. 837 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600 If you could slow it down, just one tenth of one percent. 838 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,880 And I was like, what do you mean? 839 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,880 0.1 percent? 840 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,520 If you think of what Fincher's trying to do, he's trying to keep his angles, he's trying 841 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,360 to keep his focus and he's going, right, I want that banister rail that she's walking 842 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,680 along to stay parallel with the camera. 843 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,840 This is what he says in the documentary though. 844 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,560 But what he does is he goes, right, no, no, no, you are doing it perfectly, but come and 845 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,560 look at this. 846 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,800 And he shows Queenie in the shot and he's like, you see how you and Brad are here when 847 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,840 you start. 848 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480 And then as he's walking over, you are slightly dragging. 849 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,480 So we need you to be as he is, he hits this pile of leaves. 850 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840 You need to be at this spot precisely. 851 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,120 And then it cuts to the actual shot in the film and it's bang on. 852 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,040 But in the film, it's less than less than five seconds. 853 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,760 But it's impossible to do when you've got real people behind the camera and in front 854 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,760 of the camera. 855 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,760 But it's gorgeous. 856 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,440 And you're like, no, it needs to be choreographed, right? 857 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,440 It's incredible. 858 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,200 The whole, the whole feel of this film is insane. 859 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Now that you've pointed that out, this brings a whole new light to the film and it's kind 860 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200 of, it's twisting my, it's twisting my head a little bit. 861 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,840 I love this film in the way that it's framed and in the way that the story is framed, right? 862 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,680 So the story is framed from Daisy's perspective when she's on a deathbed. 863 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:16,360 She has her daughter reading Benjamin Button's diary out loud to her as she's passing away. 864 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:22,200 Not only is that happening, Hurricane Katrina is raging outside the hospital. 865 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,400 Everyone's panicking. 866 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,480 The world is turning upside down and all Daisy wants to focus on is, can you just read me 867 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,480 this diary? 868 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,480 I like the sound of your voice. 869 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,240 I love the sound of your voice. 870 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:33,160 Just read this, just read this diary. 871 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,520 It is awful situation after awful situation after awful situation after awful situation. 872 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,680 It is horrid when you sit and look at it. 873 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,680 Yeah. 874 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,760 But it is the sweetest moment that exists and it's like only Fincher can get me in a 875 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,920 position where I'm like, Oh my God, this is so nice. 876 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,440 And I'm like, no, Hurricane Katrina, get out, move, go somewhere. 877 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,160 I'm going to quickly slide a little tip bit of information in here as well. 878 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,160 Okay. 879 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,160 Go for it. 880 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,160 Why hurricanes? 881 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,480 I'm not sure. 882 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,480 They spin anti-clockwise. 883 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:14,880 Oh, you can shut your filthy mouth because that is tickling my pickle in a way I didn't 884 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,880 imagine. 885 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,480 There's also a motif of hummingbirds in the moon. 886 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,480 There is. 887 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,480 She sees a hummingbird. 888 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,760 They're the only bird that can fly backwards. 889 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,760 Okay. 890 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,760 Okay. 891 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,760 This is, this is all information. 892 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,560 This is all information to me. 893 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560 I'd know where to put it, but it was, I've got to tell him. 894 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,560 Okay. 895 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,560 This is great. 896 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,960 I've completely derailed exactly what I'm thinking. 897 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,960 No transition. 898 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,080 I'm just going to get back to it because that's blown my tits clean off. 899 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,080 All right. 900 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,080 The framing of the film from Daisy's perspective where she's, she's letting her daughter find 901 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,960 out that she is Benjamin Button's daughter through reading his diary is a horrible way 902 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,040 to tell your child that your father who's raised you is not your father. 903 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,040 Right? 904 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,040 The worst way. 905 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160 Also, the worst timing to do that is when you're on your death bed. 906 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,720 The worst time to be on your death bed, letting your child read her true biological father's 907 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,480 diary in the middle of a hurricane. 908 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,480 A hundred percent. 909 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,480 David Fincher said in this little documentary that I watched, he was like, the only way 910 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,480 that I could deal with all the soppy shit in the middle of this film is the, is the 911 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,640 awful tragedy that encompasses all of it. 912 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,000 I was like, I love this man. 913 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,920 And I think that quote right there might make Rob come in his pants. 914 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,400 Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. 915 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,400 Right? 916 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,720 A hundred percent does. 917 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,920 I do, I do hate this film and I do hate it because it's too schmaltzing. 918 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,920 I know you do. 919 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920 It is too schmaltzing. 920 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,960 And I started going like, why, why would David Fincher? 921 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,760 Because it's, it's an allegorical fairy tale. 922 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,760 It is. 923 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,760 Set in a whimsical world. 924 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,880 And I'm like, if I have that script, who am I calling? 925 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,880 I'm calling Tim Burton. 926 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,880 You are. 927 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,880 I'm calling Wes Anderson. 928 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,880 You are. 929 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,880 Do you know who I'm not calling? 930 00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,880 David Fincher. 931 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:08,640 Autistic, unfeeling CCTV camera in the corner of the room going, look at the death. 932 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,640 Okay. 933 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Right. 934 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,640 But I, 935 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,360 But then, so I was like, I was like, why, why did he make this? 936 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,760 Why did he make this? 937 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,540 And then I did my research and then I felt really bad because his resolve to make the 938 00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:24,760 film came after the death of his father in 2002. 939 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,600 And the fact that he's aging backwards. 940 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,640 David Fincher is only 27 years old. 941 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:41,400 No he, he, he says here, when I read the Robin Swycord draft, which was the first draft, 942 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,880 he said, I thought that this was a love story. 943 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,080 But when I read the Eric Roth draft, which is the draft we see in the film, he said, 944 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,160 I thought this is a love story, but it's really about death and the total frailty of humanity. 945 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,920 He's a character whose entire childhood is defined by the people that die around him 946 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520 and by how comfortable he gets with that. 947 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,800 After my dad died, I had other things, other movies that I wanted to make. 948 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,440 It's not a special effects movie. 949 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,440 That's for sure. 950 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,440 It ain't spaceships. 951 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,440 It's not explosions. 952 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,440 It's about people. 953 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,440 Hopefully. 954 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,440 Oh man. 955 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,760 As a man who's been recently, he was very, very close with his father. 956 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,400 He describes his father as his North star. 957 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,200 He was the man that he was trying to impress with all of his prior films. 958 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,560 Oh God, don't because some of his past films with the father figures, it brings, it brings 959 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,320 up a whole thing and I'm going to cry. 960 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,320 Right. 961 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,320 Yeah. 962 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,800 So he's there going like the, he was my first audience member. 963 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,800 Like that was the guy when I was making creative decisions, who I was making the film for and 964 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,760 he's gone now. 965 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,840 So who do I make films for? 966 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,840 Jesus Christ. 967 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,400 And then he gets this script, which is very much about the sort of time we have. 968 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,400 Yeah. 969 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,040 Realistically, the time we don't have. 970 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,040 Yeah. 971 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,860 Damn man. 972 00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:00,840 It makes more sense to me is that, but it also makes me angrier, but I'll get back to 973 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,960 why it makes me angry because I'm saving it to the end. 974 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,960 Okay. 975 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,960 Right. 976 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,480 Well this makes me seem like an asshole now because my original theory of why I thought 977 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,640 David Fincher might have made this film. 978 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,920 This is pure conjecture corner. 979 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,640 It was just a little fun thought experiment that I thought would bring a little bit of 980 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,560 lightness to the show. 981 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,560 Evidently not though, Rob. 982 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,000 Just taking all the wind out of my sail. 983 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,200 My original theory or my fun little thought experiment was that Fincher sat down at some 984 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:38,920 point and watched The Notebook, which is, you know, regarded as one of the greatest 985 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,520 romantic films of all time. 986 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,080 One of the best love stories, all of this. 987 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,080 Do you know what? 988 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,440 I wouldn't know because you haven't seen it. 989 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,200 Cause I'm not a beta cut soy boy like you. 990 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,200 I tell you what. 991 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,200 Watches those romance films. 992 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,200 Yeah, I did watch it. 993 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,200 I saw it in the cinema. 994 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,200 Yeah. 995 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,200 I got up at four AM. 996 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,200 Start a business. 997 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,200 By six AM. 998 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,200 I founded my first business. 999 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,200 Yeah. 1000 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,200 Do 25 minutes of yoga in six minutes. 1001 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,200 Yeah. 1002 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,200 By nine AM on Monday, I'm on Thursday. 1003 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,200 Right. 1004 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,160 So The Notebook comes out and it's, it's, it's heralded as one of the greatest romance films 1005 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,160 of all time. 1006 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:14,520 If you really sit and look at The Notebook, it's two incredibly toxic people who barely 1007 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,800 like each other. 1008 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,280 They go off and live their own lives. 1009 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,280 They get married. 1010 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,520 They, they, you know, have their romantic lives and stuff. 1011 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,120 And then they end up getting back together. 1012 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Right? 1013 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,120 Right. 1014 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,960 And the whole film is framed from the husband's point of view. 1015 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:34,200 And it's essentially this old man reminding his dementia ridden wife, how much of a whore 1016 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,720 she was until they die. 1017 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:42,880 It's just sort of like, it's, it might be the most romantic film that exists, but it 1018 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,640 also might just be the biggest fuck you from a still bitter old man. 1019 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,240 And that made me, that made me chuckle. 1020 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:55,920 Cause then I started thinking, okay, so maybe Fincher saw that and was like, yeah, but hold 1021 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,920 my beer one minute. 1022 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,920 All right. 1023 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,920 What about if it starts off a bit Nancy, it goes incredibly well and then everyone dies 1024 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,920 at the end and it's all tragic and horrible. 1025 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,320 Cause in the documentary Fincher says the only way that he could put up with the stuff 1026 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,800 in the middle of this film was if they all die at the end, which is a great way to make 1027 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,800 a film. 1028 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,960 I'll jump in here and I'll say, there's one thing. 1029 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,400 I hate more than anything in filmmaking or music making or anything. 1030 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,880 I think it's because it's something I used to be guilty of and I see the error of it 1031 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,880 now. 1032 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,880 Having fun. 1033 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,880 I hear you. 1034 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,880 No, no, no, no, no, no. 1035 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,440 The opposite, the opposite. 1036 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,800 Doing something that you think you're better than. 1037 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,800 Oh, okay. 1038 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,800 Yeah. 1039 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,640 I don't want to make a love story like that because I think love stories are too schmaltzy, 1040 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,080 too twee, too this, that or the other. 1041 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,080 Jesus Christ. 1042 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,080 So I'm going to make a real one. 1043 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,200 I'm going to bust out my 1900s dictionary real quick. 1044 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,880 What the does twee mean? 1045 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,520 Twee like, um, like the Shire in the Hobbit is twee. 1046 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,360 Like it's like, you know, it's like cutesy and like old timey and looks back, you know, 1047 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,560 the Shire is the tweeest part of Lord of the Rings. 1048 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,760 The worst thing is right, that's the nerdyest way to explain it. 1049 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,280 But I know exactly what you mean. 1050 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,880 It makes perfect sense, right? 1051 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,920 Exactly what you mean. If anyone, if anyone from anywhere on the map of Lord of the Rings 1052 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,160 went to the Shire, they'd be there about five minutes and they go, God, this is so twee. 1053 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,840 Please forever give me vocabulary lessons in the form of Lord of the Rings geography 1054 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,800 because that was by all means, by all means. 1055 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,040 The Shire is the tweeest part. 1056 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:44,160 But here's the thing, if you don't like romance movies, David, don't make one. 1057 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,400 Because you're, you're engaging in something that you think you're better than. 1058 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,440 And what you're then trying to do is you're trying to introduce a whole lot of elements 1059 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,440 to make it what you think it would be better as. 1060 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,320 It would be like me trying to make pop punk. 1061 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,880 I don't like pop punk. 1062 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,320 I don't respect pop punk. 1063 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,760 Oh, that's just not true though. 1064 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,080 We drove out of London listening to Kerrang from 2005. 1065 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,320 Yeah, but all the pop punk ones I sat with my teeth gritted, remember? 1066 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,360 No, we were screaming it out the windows on the M25. 1067 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,440 I saw you. I saw you. I seen you. 1068 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,440 You were twee. 1069 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,920 Because I was hitting in my nostalgia nerves and I know maybe three lines of the good Charlotte 1070 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,920 choruses, right? 1071 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,520 So it's like, well, I'm here now. 1072 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,520 I'm at that. 1073 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,960 I was in the car, Ben. 1074 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,320 We were on the motorway. 1075 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,720 The only thing I could really do was come to a place of peace with what was happening. 1076 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,160 Escape it now, buddy. 1077 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,560 This is the anthem. 1078 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,040 Throw all your hands up. 1079 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,400 See, this is what happens when I do busted references. 1080 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:48,020 But I think that element of not respecting your audience or what the audience have come 1081 00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:51,760 there to see and going, I know better than them. 1082 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,440 I don't respect the thing that they enjoy. 1083 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,640 Again, it comes back to, and I hate how often this comes up, you can't ironically fuck a 1084 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:00,640 donkey. 1085 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,840 David, you're making a romance movie. 1086 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,200 If you don't like it, why are you making a romance movie? 1087 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,840 Stop adding a bunch of stuff. 1088 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,840 Okay. 1089 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,800 I make it cool or dark or, you know? 1090 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1091 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,200 I can see where you're coming from and I wholeheartedly agree with you. 1092 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,000 I think it's, I do think it's very, it's very twee. 1093 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,000 You know what I mean? 1094 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000 It's very twee. 1095 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000 It's very twee. 1096 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,920 And look, I think it's, I think I can wrap this film up in two words. 1097 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,400 Go for it. 1098 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,400 Forest cunt. 1099 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,400 Wow. 1100 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,400 Wow. 1101 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:41,000 That's almost, that's upsettingly close to exactly what it is. 1102 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,280 It's fantastic. 1103 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:49,980 Because it's, it's, it's a grim dark chin strokey version of forest gump. 1104 00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:52,120 Forest gump is very twee. 1105 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,120 Okay. 1106 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,160 It is very homespun. 1107 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,160 Yeah. 1108 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,160 Yeah. 1109 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,160 It's a, it's an apple pie. 1110 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,760 It's homestead peas and carrots, apple pie. 1111 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,760 Yeah. 1112 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,880 But do you know what you get halfway through and you go, okay, this is what we're doing. 1113 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,040 And then you get swept up in it. 1114 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,040 Yeah, you do. 1115 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,600 You don't have is along the way. 1116 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,160 Someone pushing up their glasses and going, no, we're better than that. 1117 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,320 No, that one dies. 1118 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,320 Yeah. 1119 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,320 But that's the thing though. 1120 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,320 That's, this is it. 1121 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,160 Like forest gump does the same thing that this film does. 1122 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:26,400 Forest gump is just a HIV ridden cocaine addict, mentally abusing a disabled man for three 1123 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,400 decades. 1124 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,520 It's the good grace to go, if we're doing this, we're going to do it with a smile on 1125 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,520 our face. 1126 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,520 Oh yeah. 1127 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,520 1000%. 1128 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,520 They're super happy about bullying the mentally disabled. 1129 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:35,520 Do you know what I mean? 1130 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,520 They're like, no, this is fine. 1131 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,760 Whereas this film is just moaning the whole way. 1132 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,760 Oh, now you're successful. 1133 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,000 It's just complaining about itself. 1134 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000 Now you're successful. 1135 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000 Yeah. 1136 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000 Now I can, now you can meet your son. 1137 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000 You're a legitimate child. 1138 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,560 I've kept away from you for years. 1139 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,960 Right, right, right. 1140 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:56,000 But the reason I hate this film in particular is because the subtext of the film is incredible 1141 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,280 and speaks so incredibly to me. 1142 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,040 I've got two quotes. 1143 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:07,840 I've got two quotes that I'm furious we haven't written about the show. 1144 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:14,300 The first one is short and tell me, dear listener, how relevant this might be to every show we've 1145 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:17,340 ever done and what Ben and I have been trying to say. 1146 00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:20,820 You can be as mad as a mad dog at the way things went. 1147 00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:26,720 You can swear, curse the fates, but when it comes to the end, you have to let go. 1148 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:31,320 That's a... 1149 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,820 And then the longer one. 1150 00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:39,140 For what it's worth, it's never too late or in my case too early to be whoever you want 1151 00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:40,140 to be. 1152 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:41,840 There's no time limit. 1153 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,280 Start whenever you want. 1154 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,920 You can change or stay the same. 1155 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,260 There are no rules to this thing. 1156 00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:51,560 We can make the best or the worst of it. 1157 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,020 I hope you make the best of it. 1158 00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:56,880 I hope you see things that startle you. 1159 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,400 I hope you feel things you've never felt before. 1160 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,840 I hope you meet people who have a different point of view. 1161 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,000 I hope you live a life you're proud of. 1162 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,280 And if you find that you're not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again. 1163 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,280 Jesus Christ. 1164 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,360 Now Ben, that paragraph there is what we're trying to do with this show, right? 1165 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:24,280 We're trying to start all over again with disagreeing about things and surprising ourselves 1166 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,400 and practicing our feelings and all this kind of stuff, right? 1167 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,880 Incredible subtext. 1168 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,480 If you gave me two hours and 45 minutes of blank film and told me to get that subtext 1169 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,000 across, do you know how I wouldn't do it? 1170 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000 Benjamin Button. 1171 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,040 You're having a fucking man-age backwards in a Nazi relationship, going in a boat, fighting 1172 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:53,160 in a war, meeting a human zoo guy, and then coming back and getting nonced by Cate Blanchett. 1173 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,920 In a love story where the two leads have less chemistry than salt and dogs. 1174 00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,920 I guess. 1175 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:00,920 I guess. 1176 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,920 That's a very... 1177 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,920 It's a waste. 1178 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,200 It's such a squand... 1179 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,560 It takes something beautiful, takes something beautiful, and it just jizzes it up the wall. 1180 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,560 Oh, mate. 1181 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,800 Look, I know exactly where you're coming from and the reason that you hate this film is 1182 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,280 the exact reason why I love this film. 1183 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,320 Like, oh God, that quote's got me, man. 1184 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,320 But it's true. 1185 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,320 The quote is true. 1186 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,320 And the quote is beautiful. 1187 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,760 It broke me in the film and it broke me just now. 1188 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,120 But honestly, right, so the reason that you hate this film, I wholeheartedly agree with 1189 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,960 you, it is nonsense, right? 1190 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:38,080 But from a man that cherishes nonsense more than anything else in this world, this film 1191 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,840 hits me in a whole different way because I feel like it speaks to me on a level that 1192 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,520 not other films do. 1193 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,000 Do you know what I mean? 1194 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,080 Like, B-movies hit me on this level, rarely do B-movies have this amount of subtext that 1195 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,640 make me reassess my entire life, right? 1196 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,640 Right. 1197 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,640 Everything you've just said. 1198 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,640 I mean, I will say 163 million. 1199 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,520 Yeah, 163 million. 1200 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,520 Loved every penny spent. 1201 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,520 Do you know what I mean? 1202 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,520 It's amazing. 1203 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,520 Okay, okay. 1204 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:11,040 So from life happens, no matter how you live it or what you choose to do, it is happening. 1205 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,520 Whether you choose to participate or not, it's happening, right? 1206 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,480 Youth isn't just for the young. 1207 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,480 It's not. 1208 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,480 It's not. 1209 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,160 That is the scariest thing for me at the moment. 1210 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,160 Youth is not just for the young. 1211 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,160 I have people coming into my work saying, hi, I was born in 2005. 1212 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,160 I was like, brilliant. 1213 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,960 I started college then. 1214 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,960 Mint. 1215 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,280 Your legal drinking age. 1216 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,280 Mint. 1217 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,280 Yeah. 1218 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,680 It doesn't matter how you start life or how you end life. 1219 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560 It is all about the middle. 1220 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,240 It's about what you choose to do when you have the ability to make those choices. 1221 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:50,320 And if that isn't the most harrowing, upsetting way to look at how we've chosen to live our 1222 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,620 lives and you're like, oh my God, oh my God. 1223 00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:58,720 And then the film carries on and is just sort of like, no, no, no, I know what you're feeling, 1224 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,640 but listen buddy, you're all right. 1225 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,400 There's a second, third and a fourth and a fifth go. 1226 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,400 There's fourth. 1227 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,400 You can, you're in no rush. 1228 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,400 I'm sorry. 1229 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,400 You're not happy right now. 1230 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,400 Restart it, mate. 1231 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,400 You are golden. 1232 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,400 We've all got your back, babe. 1233 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,400 You just do you. 1234 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,400 Right. 1235 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,760 And it just broke me into a million pieces because I was like, there is so many chances 1236 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,040 that I've missed. 1237 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,480 There's so many opportunities that I've looked at, missed opportunities, poor choices, terrible 1238 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,240 life decisions, paths that I know I shouldn't have been going down, but I went down anyway 1239 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,160 because it was easier to stay masked than it was to confront what was actually going 1240 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,160 on in my brain and heart. 1241 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,160 It's a psychos fallacy, right? 1242 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,760 If I just keep doing, if I change what I'm doing, I have to recognise that the last five 1243 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,720 years of doing this has been a stupid idea. 1244 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:39,720 Exactly. 1245 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:40,720 And that's a really painful thing to do. 1246 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,400 So I'll just do this for another week. 1247 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,520 And then that week turns into three years. 1248 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,620 And before you know it, you're a cocaine addict, you're an alcoholic and you've got a bedside 1249 00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:49,880 cabinet full of shots. 1250 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880 You're even more stuck because there's, there's more years in the bank. 1251 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:53,880 Exactly. 1252 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:54,880 You don't have to walk away from. 1253 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,880 That was time wasted. 1254 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,880 Exactly. 1255 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,360 And this film, like I say, the subtext is beautiful. 1256 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,360 It's incredible. 1257 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,480 I wouldn't tell it with an 80 year old Brad Pitt raising a wrinkly hand up into his mother's 1258 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,840 bed and going, mama, dude, it hits me so hard. 1259 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,880 I don't know why it just gets me. 1260 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,880 He's on his own. 1261 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,640 He's the only person doing this. 1262 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,760 He's completely different to the entire human race and still is that positive. 1263 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,680 And it's like, Jesus Christ, you know what I mean? 1264 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,960 In all things considered, I'm all right. 1265 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,600 I'm doing all right. 1266 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,920 You know what I mean? 1267 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:36,680 It's such a good life affirming movie that is the weirdest life affirming movie that 1268 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,680 exists. 1269 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,320 It's odd and it's gorgeous. 1270 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,320 It's beautiful. 1271 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,000 And the look of the film, stunning. 1272 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,880 I'm glad you got that out of it. 1273 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,080 I will buy you an Adele album and you'll love it. 1274 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,560 For about a week, probably. 1275 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,240 If there's something in there for me, sure. 1276 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,240 If not, it's fine. 1277 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:52,240 Yeah. 1278 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,240 If it's not from a Starbucks, I don't want it. 1279 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:54,240 What's fascinating is you're right. 1280 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,240 I'm wrong and you're right. 1281 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:56,240 No, no, no, you're not wrong. 1282 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,240 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1283 00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:58,240 Ben, Ben, I've got proof I'm wrong. 1284 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:03,240 I've been proven wrong 335.8 million times. 1285 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:07,960 Is that how much this made? 1286 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,880 This is his second highest grossing film of his entire career. 1287 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,880 Understandable. 1288 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:13,880 Understandable. 1289 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,920 This is the only thing more successful than this. 1290 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:17,920 Jesus. 1291 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,880 Was Gone Girl made more money than this. 1292 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:20,880 Understandable. 1293 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,880 And Seven was just behind it. 1294 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,880 Okay. 1295 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,880 Fair. 1296 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,920 I will say, however, it is his second lowest rated film. 1297 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,560 It's 71% on Rotten Tomatoes. 1298 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,560 Okay. 1299 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,560 Yeah. 1300 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,880 But if your second lowest rated film on Rotten Tomatoes is in its seventies, you ain't doing 1301 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,880 it bad. 1302 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,880 Shut up. 1303 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,880 He's not. 1304 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,880 He's still a genius. 1305 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,440 But like the critics were not as fond of this. 1306 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,200 You say that, but also the 13 Oscar nominations and three Oscar wins. 1307 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,800 Do you know what I mean? 1308 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,800 You see what I mean? 1309 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,800 So you're right. 1310 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,800 I get that you're right. 1311 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,520 I know a lot of people watched it and they went great. 1312 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,360 I just got an hour in and I was like, it's been a long week. 1313 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,360 You were like, what? 1314 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,360 Sorry. 1315 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,360 I just got an hour in and I was like, God damn, it's been a long week. 1316 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,360 Thank you. 1317 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,360 That's what I thought you said. 1318 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,360 Thank you. 1319 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,360 Okay. 1320 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,360 Great. 1321 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,360 Yeah. 1322 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,360 Yeah. 1323 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,360 Yeah. 1324 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,360 Yeah. 1325 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,360 Yeah. 1326 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,360 Still got to edit it though. 1327 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,360 Cause of your reaction. 1328 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,360 Oh God. 1329 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,360 I loved this film so much. 1330 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,360 I didn't expect to. 1331 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,240 I went into it with such low expectations being like, this is going to be some chin stroking 1332 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,240 nonsense. 1333 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,080 I got the life lesson that I needed at the exact right moment. 1334 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,840 And now just everything, everything seems a little bit better. 1335 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,680 I can't put my finger on it. 1336 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,280 So we're going to, we're going to play a game now where I punish you for your wrong. 1337 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,280 Fantastic. 1338 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:48,840 Looking forward to this one. 1339 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,200 What you, what you rating the curious case of Benjamin Button, Ben, easy in all of it's 1340 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,080 nearly three hour glory. 1341 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,080 Easy. 1342 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,080 Don't, don't do this to me. 1343 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,080 Nine and a half. 1344 00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,080 Okay. 1345 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,560 You can't, you don't feel like I come, I'm getting in the way. 1346 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:02,560 It's a nine and a half. 1347 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,280 What's the half point that loses? 1348 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:09,560 Uh, the book ended in noncery. 1349 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:10,560 It's still, it's odd. 1350 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:11,560 Yeah. 1351 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,560 It's real odd. 1352 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,080 Like as, as beautiful as the film is and as gorgeous as the subtext is, it's odd. 1353 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,080 It's odd. 1354 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,080 Yeah. 1355 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,080 Yeah. 1356 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,000 It's like a kid's brain in a 75 year old man's body. 1357 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,520 She's still a child. 1358 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,640 I get that technically you are too. 1359 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,640 You're also a child. 1360 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,640 Yeah. 1361 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640 Technically it's just visually upsetting to see. 1362 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,640 Exactly. 1363 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,640 See, that's it. 1364 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,240 It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the unsettling sort of visuals that accompany it. 1365 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:38,480 I think that's why Fincher loves it. 1366 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,980 This is the cinema fan. 1367 00:54:39,980 --> 00:54:45,960 This is the sort of Scorsese chin strokey version of she's actually a 7,000 year old 1368 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,440 dragon trapped in the body of a 10 year old girl. 1369 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,160 The only anima synopsis ever. 1370 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,160 Right. 1371 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,160 Exactly. 1372 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,160 Exactly. 1373 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,200 Um, actually it's not Lolly because she's 7,000 years old. 1374 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,200 Lolly. 1375 00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,200 Shut up. 1376 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,200 Shut up, David. 1377 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,200 Never say that again. 1378 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,200 Jesus Christ. 1379 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,200 It made my entire spine shiver. 1380 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,840 Never say that again. 1381 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,840 What are you rated it? 1382 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,840 Zero. 1383 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,520 F*** off. 1384 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,520 I'm gonna, I'm gonna justify this. 1385 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,520 How? 1386 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,160 You have to measure something by its potential. 1387 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,160 Yeah. 1388 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,080 You have to measure what they set out to do and the resources they had. 1389 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,080 Right. 1390 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,200 I'm not going to watch a small indie film made for a mil. 1391 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,200 Right. 1392 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,400 And start critiquing the CGI. 1393 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,400 Sure. 1394 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,120 Or start critiquing the, you know, the acting performances. 1395 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,120 All factually inaccurate. 1396 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,120 We've both done this. 1397 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,520 Well, I know, but I feel like a shib. 1398 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,920 With all of those films, when we did the Christmas tapes and I said, look, for my personal enjoyment, 1399 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,400 it's this, but for the achievement that they've managed to get for this budget, it's this. 1400 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,400 Right. 1401 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,640 That's the mature way to do it. 1402 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:51,640 This is the inverse. 1403 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,640 He had $160 million. 1404 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,600 He had four Oscar winners in his cast. 1405 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:05,440 He had a script that had that subtext and what was presented was both sickly sweet, 1406 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:15,120 homespun wisdom, dross that manages to also be boring and over long and Nancy. 1407 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,800 And I'm like, you've made Fight Club. 1408 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,520 You've made seven. 1409 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,240 You've made Zodiac. 1410 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,840 And you've decided to go outside of your wheelhouse and see if you can do warm romance. 1411 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,840 Yeah. 1412 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:27,840 Spoiler, you can't. 1413 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,840 You can. 1414 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,960 There's not a single romantic scene between these two. 1415 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:31,960 Absolute nonsense. 1416 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,960 There's maybe one. 1417 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,960 Absolute nonsense. 1418 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,400 And that is devastatingly attractive in this film. 1419 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,440 When they've both caught up to each other and he's like, let me just stand and remember 1420 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,440 this moment just for a minute. 1421 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,760 They stare in the mirror and they both realize that this isn't going to work for the exact 1422 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:54,840 same reason, the exact same moment, but they both choose to ignore it is hauntingly beautiful. 1423 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,840 Hauntingly beautiful. 1424 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:56,840 That's the hands. 1425 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,080 It's one of my favorite scenes in any film so far. 1426 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,960 I've got two bits of two by four. 1427 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,240 I can stick in front of a mirror and film on my phone and you'll get much the same experience. 1428 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,880 You don't get it. 1429 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,880 Maybe I don't. 1430 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:09,880 Maybe I don't. 1431 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,800 That's the thing for 163 million quid with David Fincher directing. 1432 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,560 I hope everyone could get it. 1433 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,560 Yeah, I guess. 1434 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,000 No, you are right. 1435 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,280 It's the squandering of the material. 1436 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,800 It's the squandering of that beautiful subtext that speaks so deeply. 1437 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,960 If you wanted to custom write a bit of subtext to sum up what we're trying to do on this 1438 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,960 show, you couldn't do better than that. 1439 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,800 For me to get halfway through and be like, oh my God, please will it end? 1440 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,800 Please. 1441 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,480 For me to be in the bargaining stage an hour in. 1442 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,200 I see where you're coming from. 1443 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,600 I find it difficult to agree because obviously I think it's rose tinted glasses on this one. 1444 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,000 This film cut me up into a hundred pieces. 1445 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000 I'll balance it. 1446 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000 Half a point. 1447 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,000 Okay, there you go. 1448 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,000 There's subtext. 1449 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,360 This is the biggest disparity that we've ever had on a film, by the way. 1450 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,840 Painful points and you giving it a pity half point is the biggest disparity we've ever 1451 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,840 had and it's over a Fincher movie. 1452 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,840 It's so that we can marry. 1453 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,600 It's so we can marry our scores because you're half a point off perfect and I'm half a point 1454 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,120 off the worst. 1455 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,640 That's so cute. 1456 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:20,440 There is lots in this film that's worth points, but it doesn't get them because it's squandered. 1457 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,000 Okay, I agree. 1458 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,600 It's all very well bringing me a nice plate of dinner and then just dashing it on the 1459 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,600 floor in front of me and going, oops. 1460 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,560 Yeah, but it's fun though, right? 1461 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,840 I've also got a request of the listeners. 1462 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,080 We are going to be posting a little less to social media in the coming weeks. 1463 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,080 We're trying a thing. 1464 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,080 We're trying a thing. 1465 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,080 It might not work. 1466 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,080 It's a new schedule. 1467 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,080 Let us cook. 1468 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,080 Let us cook. 1469 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,000 Comments are really, really helpful for the algorithm. 1470 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,520 So those of you that see our stuff and like it, thank you so much. 1471 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,000 Any comment of any kind is worth like 10 likes. 1472 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000 It really is. 1473 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,120 If you see one and you can try something, we'll chat to you there. 1474 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,120 We love chatting to you. 1475 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,520 We really do love chatting to you. 1476 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,880 And also join the Patreon. 1477 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,880 Do it. 1478 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,480 It's super cheap and it's incredibly fun. 1479 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,120 We've got some stuff up there already for you. 1480 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,920 We've got some bonus stuff. 1481 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,440 We've got our Spicy Hawaiian episodes. 1482 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,480 This episode, the Spicy Hawaiian version of this episode is up there right now. 1483 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,720 It was out already days ago. 1484 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,200 We filmed a bunch of stuff when we were up in Telford. 1485 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,200 Yeah. 1486 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,200 And all that's up there too. 1487 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,360 We've got some stuff up. 1488 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,360 Well, we don't know yet. 1489 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,440 Yeah, we've got some stuff cooking. 1490 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,240 But merch is on its way. 1491 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,280 That's in the final stages now. 1492 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,280 It's on its way. 1493 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,280 Yes, it is. 1494 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,040 It's on its way because I had a breakthrough. 1495 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,040 I have. 1496 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,040 I'll take you through after this. 1497 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,040 I thought I told you about this. 1498 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,040 Sorry, man. 1499 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,040 Okay. 1500 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,040 Surprise. 1501 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,040 Yay. 1502 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,040 I'm so excited. 1503 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,040 I'm so excited. 1504 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,040 So it's going to be fun. 1505 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,040 Join us on Patreon. 1506 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,720 We'd love to see you there. 1507 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,840 And if we don't, hey, we love to see you here. 1508 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:55,840 It's all good. 1509 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:56,840 There's no pressure. 1510 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,480 There's all the time in the world. 1511 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,200 We hope you live in a life you're proud of. 1512 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,200 Give us your money. 1513 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,200 By giving us money. 1514 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,860 Guys, unfortunately, that is all the time we have for this week. 1515 01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:09,160 We love and appreciate each and every one of you. 1516 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,600 Thank you so much for hanging out with us. 1517 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,600 It's been a pleasure. 1518 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,920 Honestly, I feel a thousand times better. 1519 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,600 And it's all down to you and you, Rob. 1520 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,600 Thank you, babe. 1521 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,600 Love you lots. 1522 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:20,600 Aw, thanks, buddy. 1523 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,600 Love you too. 1524 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,960 Ben is now going to thank you for spending an hour of your week with us, especially at 1525 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:25,960 the start of the week. 1526 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,160 We know a lot of you listen on a Monday by wrapping up the thoughts, themes and feelings 1527 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,560 of this movie into a little Monday motivational pep talk. 1528 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:40,200 Whereas I just tell you to do what society always tells you to do and consume. 1529 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:46,440 Look, poor decisions, bad choices, paths taken that shouldn't have been taken. 1530 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,440 It sucks. 1531 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,440 I get it. 1532 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,440 It sucks. 1533 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,980 It seems like it's impossible to come back from. 1534 01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,760 Good thing is you never have to come back from it. 1535 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,360 You can just end it and then you just jump onto a new path and you start again, buddy. 1536 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,360 That's it. 1537 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:26,920 Um, I mean, maybe miss out the Nancy bits, because that's odd.