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Yeah, I was gonna ask are we not doing a Ridley Scott series are we? No, no, no, no what we're doing is we're doing a Ridley Scott

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Series, which is where we cash in on gladiator

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24 years after its release. Yeah. Yeah amazing. Amazing. Let's start the show. Let's go

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Oh

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Hello everyone and welcome to the every movie ever podcast. My name is Ben Groves

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Welcome to the show a movie podcast slash mental health check-in for two broken brain best friends talking around their problems

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But not about their problems never about lost, you know laughing at movies

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So before I get to what we're doing this week Ben, yeah, I do the more important question. Go for it

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How are you doing this week? Do good man? Yeah, a little bit sleepy. My my mentals aren't too heavy at the moment

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Which is nice. I've got heavy mental. I've not got the heavy mental someone there. I'm on the light shoe gazy mental

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You're on the folk mental. Yeah, how about you? Oh, man, I've got the heaviest mental. Oh, no, I'm a bit gloomy

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So I'm just gonna talk about a movie and we're gonna talk about

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One of my favorite movies of all time and it's hopefully gonna make me feel better goods what we're doing today, buddy

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Like I've just said we're cashing in

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2000s gladiator cashing out epic sword and sandal revenge story

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Yeah, just quickly before we do Ben I want to point out not everyone likes everything

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Right. I agree Marmite Coldplay pegging love of

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That's right, so if you dear listener hear us cry pineapple, yes

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It's just a short bit of the chat that might not be to everyone's taste and

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Is less about the film than a brand new listener might need but not to worry the full

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Spicy Hawaiian version of every episode is available over on patreon days beforehand

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With all the pineapple you could ever want for just a pound a month

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Likewise our potty mouths are gonna be censored in this version of the episode

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But you can hear all the bad words you like on patreon like

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We've got a lot to get into this week

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So let's put the pineapple behind us for right now

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Yeah, and talk about what we're gonna be getting into this week Ben. Let us give them give them the menu

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We're gonna be getting into why Ridley Scott decided to make this film how this script evolved from thin pitch

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Everything our tigers good co-stars how the sets of gladiator gave us the room we

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Deserved hell. Yes, buddy. Now. Listen, I've gone a little bit over the board with the research on this

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So I know it's your favorite film

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And it's weird cuz we kind of alternate weeks right like who we saw this one of you one of us will pick a film

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But this is your week and we're doing gladiator and you've like you've just you sat me down you're like babe. I've got this

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I've got this so I'm just gonna be told facts about my film. Yeah, cuz you started going. Yeah, I'm gonna do this

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I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this was like

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So swear jars at nine already that's fantastic

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But I've gone over the top with research it's not all gonna get in the episode cuz I don't know hyper focus

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Yeah, I've gone every every direction possible just in case it comes kicking it like old days

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Right, cuz I know exactly which way this is going. Yeah, so

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Ruin another one of his own universes

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We're getting into this right I'm gonna set the scene for us you ready? I'm gonna set the scene the year 2000 Rob

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I need you to come back with me to the year 2000 not much has changed, but we live underwater

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Yeah, get out was that a busted was that a busted reference?

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I don't know Ben your brain made it not me

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Was that a busted reference answer me right now? I don't know the lyrics to it, but it sounded poppy

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I hate right we're having great great granddaughter. Yeah in the bin get in the bin. He's pretty fine the year 2000

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Nintendo have just announced GameCube, and I'm guessing that in response to that the European Union announces the euro

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One coin to rule them all

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Am I right Lord of the Rings fans my right Peter Jackson?

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I think I am and this is much like why we write this together

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Yeah, yeah, I haven't read this one down you can't veto this much like Brad and Angelina

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The twin towers are going stronger than ever

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Not a worry in sight god sakes

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The first British women reached the South Pole

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Really, there's a frigid joke in there, but I'm not gonna for god. I'm not gonna go there. It's fine. It's fine

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There's a joke there. We're not we're we're both big enough to be in the South Pole

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We're not we're both big enough to not make it all right. I'm glad Kevin Spacey's film American Beauty wins a load of awards in 2000

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That's a good one aged well is it yeah? That's a good one that one, buddy. Oh

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103 million to make gladiator you're a big fan of tools and sandals aren't you Ben?

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You're like a big no you love this genre

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History I know two films in this genre. It's a period piece and it's sandals

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I just like both of those, but I know two films in this category

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Killa Gilla, I don't know that one. Yes, you do killer Gilla

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Yes, okay, just a ghost that hunts fit right that's literally Ben you brought weird of films and being like yeah

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Yeah, cuz now you don't know whether it's British exploitation, and it's just domestic violence

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Or whether it's a physical lamp and the intrigue kills you you've got to watch it for a US space listeners

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To lamp someone in the face is to to punch them. Oh, yeah, it's a punch. Yeah, I don't know why it's just a word

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It's a slang word that exists a bit like yeet or Riz British people just lamp the English language until it submits

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This was like somebody going I'm gonna spend a hundred million on a black and white musical

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Okay, so you're not a swords and sandals guys, so I'm not you didn't watch this when it came out

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Amazing like mind mind-changingly good and I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it is

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You know, it's Russell Crowe in a leather skirt and a sword running around right? Yeah

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Oh, but tiger cool. Fantastic. What way to sum up this film in my mind in my very immature mind

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That's all I ever saw holdovers mates. Just a cross-eyed guy looking after a kid in it

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I wonder I wonder where this is going. You know what I mean? There's none of that. Okay, you know exactly where it's going

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It's just how racist is Mel Gibson. This wasn't your this wasn't your thing. Not for me you did you watch this when it came out?

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That wasn't like kids films, right? So I got snuck in to see the first Matrix movie

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Adult films at the cinema. I think this is one of the films that set the template for what I think a blockbuster should be

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Marvel movies transformers right where it's like it's a spectacle. Yeah, and it's incredibly easily digested and you were like I

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Want more dust? I want more depth you can enjoy this film

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That's so now but in the year 2000 this was insane

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Six months to eight months later. Yeah and go. Oh, actually, this is really well written and there's loads of depth there

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Which I don't think you can do with transformers rise of the beasts. I don't know man. Let's give it some time to cook

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I just need a nice patina of 20 years of being out of date and then suddenly we went oh wow

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There's very little CGI in those films. There's like three show the transformers rise of the beast that that robot gorilla

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Yeah, I don't know I've seen it one the benefit of the people that haven't seen this film and want a reminder on what happened

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So that you kind of have a better idea of what we're talking about going in or for people who've never seen it and never

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Planned to I'll echo my co-host words last week grow up. It's a film. What's the worst that's gonna happen?

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Do you want to break down the story? I've got a little jingle you ready? Yeah

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Maximus Decimus Meridius, thanks for full naming that one, but nailed it

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A respected Roman general is betrayed by Emperor Commodus who orders the murder of Maximus's family your I see what you've done here

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This is great. Thank you. Genuinely haven't I wrote this in a rush. I didn't know

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Okay after surviving an assassination attempt

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Maximus is captioned and sold into slavery forced to fight as a gladiator

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Stripped of his rank and his loved ones

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Maximus's drive for revenge begins to take shape as he vows to confront Commodus and avenge the deaths of his wife and son

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It's a very delicate story. Yeah, very over it and it sounds like a sort of 1950 sci-fi novel

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Yeah, literally. Maximus's journey takes him to the gladiatorial arena where he quickly gains fame for his combat skills

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As he rises through the ranks his thirst for vengeance grows with each victory bringing him closer to his goal

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Despite the violence Maximus remains focused on his ultimate goal to confront the Emperor and restore his honor

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Maximus's revenge is complicated as he gets closer to Commodus who now rules Rome

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Maximus participates in a grand gladiatorial event in the Coliseum where he faces Commodus in a staged fight

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But chooses to fight fairly

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Keeping his moral code intact bigger man than I am in that scene. I'm telling you. Yeah, I had a curb stomped him immediately

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His longing for vengeance intensifies as he realizes that even if he kills Commodus

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He won't undo the losses that he has suffered. In the final moments of the film Maximus successfully kills Commodus

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With his last breath he ensures that Rome will return to a republic

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Fulfilling promises made in the start of the movie Maximus dies peacefully his quest for revenge complete

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But his personal losses remained forever unhealed his actions restoring justice, but at the price of his life. I

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Cannot get over how annoyed I am at myself right for not watching this film more

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In the cinema and then my mom was obsessed with it. She pulled it on DVD and part of like the whole

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Way that we would watch films as a family is that we would eat dinner watch a movie whilst we're eating dinner

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So a lot of my early understanding of movies was based on my family doing what you and I do we chat about movies and all

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This is good. And that was good in his subtext there. So I kind of got a cheat code to the subtext stuff, right?

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Okay, had I watched it just by myself without a family of

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You know readers who were like chatting about the subtext of a movie etc. Etc

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And then maybe not watched it for 15 20 years and then gone. Yes fine. That's exactly what I've done

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Right exactly what I've done, but I watched it now in 2024 having lived a life having lived a life and having gone through some struggles

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Yeah, and then you watch this story and you're like, oh my god

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Oh my god, it's a way more in-depth and nuanced way of saying there are two wolves inside you

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The stories been because they're both are but except for ones a moral

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One is a murderous slaver. So you know what I mean?

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One of my early insights to this film that I adore and the reason I adore it is the first time you watch it

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You look at Joaquin Phoenix playing Commodus and he both the lead performances in this are brilliant

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We'll get into that they say the whole thing about it

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But yes, please you watch you watch it and he's so effective at being a villain that you're on Maximus's side

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You're like, yeah game. He's the worst

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He's actually one of the most villainous turns on in cinema and you'd be right. He is one of the most villainous terms in cinema

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Yeah, but as you grow older and you watch it again

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You realize that Commodus as a character is about 17 or 18, right?

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He's been raised his entire life in the sure knowledge

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Mm-hmm that his father will respect thousands of years of tradition. Yeah and make him Emperor

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All of that surety and what his future was gonna be is what makes okay his father's complete disinterest and

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rampant disrespect in front of

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Isn't here in front of everyone? Yeah. Oh, here comes my son

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Across the battlefield the second that the war's over. Yeah. All right

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Oh, you've lost an arm is it?

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Disappointment that's what you've lost it for trust me mate. I'm as heartbroken as you are anyway

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He that's all fine because he knows he just got a great grit and bear his teeth and it's gonna be he's gonna be emperor

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And then on his deathbed his dad turns around and goes

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Now I'm gonna give it to that guy that I get on with much much better

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Yeah, just to fuck you over. Yeah, and then in a moment of passion

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He kills his dad which by the way was not rare at the time

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That's an odd thing to say out loud succession by murder was really really common in monarchies, dude

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all right, I need to look into this maybe history might be my thing because

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Cleans my words cleanse a chip or two off my shoulder on that one

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The rest of the film is a child an

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Unloved child. Yeah going I just want these people to love me

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Yeah, and his dad's ex keeps booting the door and going you're a no

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Yeah, no get in the bin but I'm gonna back in the corner shoe

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And then the film ends with this unloved child being murdered in front of his people and not a single one of them goes

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Oh, that's a bit unfair. No one cares. No one single. Oh my god

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The the actual fact of when I was watching this time around it brought me to tears for two reasons one when communist eyes

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He threw Rome a 150 day

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Gladiator event. It's a it's a hundred. It's half a year of games

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Mmm, for just fun. Do you know how he paid for it by selling wheat reserves?

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Yeah, not by raising taxes. He was like no no my people need to enjoy themselves not stress about money

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I'm just gonna sell off our literal resources to make sure that everyone is a bit happier and then

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He's dying

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Everyone every single person in there is silent

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No, what not one care is given my favorite scene in the whole film

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Well, one of my favorite scenes in the whole film is when his father tells him he's not gonna be Emperor

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Mm-hmm, and he gives his speech. I'm gonna read bits of it out and for those of you with daddy issues. Welcome

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Mm-hmm says to his dad you wrote to me once listing the four chief virtues

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Wisdom justice fortitude and temperance and as I read the list I knew I had none of them

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Even then it was as if you didn't want me for your son

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I searched the faces of the gods for ways to please you to make you proud

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one kind word

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One full hug where you pressed me to your chest and held me tight would have been like the sun on my heart for a thousand

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Years, what is it in me that you hate so much?

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Jesus Christ, you know, I mean he gets murdered at the end and everyone's like, yeah. Yeah, everyone's fine

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He is literally just he just needs a cuddle right from the one person that's been an article to him his entire life

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And it's it's heartbreaking. That's the one bit that got me

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The second bit that got me is you're watching Maximus literally give up everything for a third time in one three hours

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For a roam that he is never gonna see. Yeah, he's never gonna live in that. He's never gonna live in the society

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He's like but but it deserves to be the best it possibly can be yeah, and it broke me

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It's not what I expected from Ridley Scott. Let's put it that way like Ridley Scott alien

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Selma and Louise like what are we talking about here?

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Yeah, I Jane this is GI Jane right? He's got his tons of stuff legend tons of stuff. That is like

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Great scripts big sci-fis, you know this and the other and then out of nowhere pulls out

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Fucking sword and sandals gladiator piece. Yeah, but then he made aliens so he's kind of platinum trophy to film

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Yeah, and then he's now just doing like Snoop Dogg side quests a dude

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I've got I've got a whole bit on why he made this film, right? Okay. Thank you for that glorious transition

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That was beautiful by the way

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Yeah, I'll try I get a hint. I'll try

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so

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Ridley Scott mm-hmm gets presented as a script right and they're like when he's handed this script

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They're like it's not good right? You're not gonna want to do it and he was like right. I'm sold

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yeah, let me just give this a squeeze over real quick and

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Whilst being handed this script and being told that it isn't very good. Yeah, he was also shown a painting. Okay by

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Jerome or Jerome a I don't know how to pronounce it. Yeah, Jerome Jerome Jerome they did Rio in the pin

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In the pin, I mean you put 50p in you today, you know

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Busted and Juran Juran jokes. Oh

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Jesus Christ, but yes painted by Jerome. I've not seen it, but I

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I read somewhere he'd seen a painting funny that you should say that because I tracked it down because he's a fucking idiot

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Ridley Scott whilst being shown this script that was told was not very good was shown a painting by Jerome

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This is a this is a direct quote from Ridley. Mm-hmm. First of all, I love doing period films Carrie

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I love the research. I love to create sort of smells of the period right? Okay. Yeah

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Yeah, it's an odd turn of phrase, but it's fine. You're right. Yeah, I think what we did with the first gladiator

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I don't like being critical of other things that have happened before but I wasn't the biggest fan of

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Hollywood Roman epics, right?

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They feel artificial and so when I was asked to consider a script the script was not very good

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But the person who gave it to me said I want to show you one thing picked up an illustration

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This is true

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It's called for those about to die by Jerome right holds it up

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It's a picture of this big painting of the Coliseum and in the corner

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This is there is this guy about to tune a fork this poor

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He's got this thing in his neck and he's looking up for permission to kill. I went bloody hell

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That's never been done before properly

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Never and I said I'll do it and the person who gave me the script went you will and he was like yes

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And the person said do you want to read the script and he said no

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Scott said no and we went off and hit the ground running around the table and evolved the new material

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So that's how we signed on for this film. Now. I was like, oh, okay. That's a pretty cool story

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I'm gonna I'm gonna try and find the inspiration that inspired Ridley Scott to make gladiator

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So I went out to try and find for those about to die. It's not a fucking painting by Jerome

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I was gonna say I've just tried to Google it. Yeah, it's not one nothing came up while you were chatting

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It's not one mate. What?

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What it is, it's called a spawn book. It's called for the it's called Hail Caesar, right?

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For those of us who are about to die. We salute you right? Okay, and it's the wrong painting

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It's not about this painting because I've got

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For those of us who are about to die. We salute you in front of me and it's a well-dressed gentleman

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Instead in front of seven or eight gladiators and he's sort of peering up at the Emperor as if to be sort of like get me

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The fuck out of it whilst the collar seam is being cleaned up, right? It's a great photo

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It's a great painting great picture, but not the one it's not the one the one that Ridley Scott is talking about is

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To go through wiki art

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These drone things to try to find this image. Welcome to hyper focus corner

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God it's called police saver so and it is by Jerome wildly different painting right?

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Because in this one, he's not looking up at the Emperor for permission to kill

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He's looking up at the Vestal Virgins and it's also

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controversial because the Vestal Virgins are the only one that's not looking up at the Emperor

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because the Vestal Virgins are putting their thumb down and it causes big outrage in the 1800s being sort of

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Romans didn't use thumbs down as a negative

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And then there was a huge debate for years about whether a thumb up or a thumb down was used in ancient Rome

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Anyway, Ridley Scott's just done this big inspirational thing in an interview

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For gladiator to be like yeah in the first one

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This is what really got me and just name drop to everything wrong that could be wrong

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It feeds my opinion of Ridley Scott

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Okay, because Ridley Scott for me you remember when we first started Nolan and you were like he's just a posh

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Posh boy making posh boy films. Yeah

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For me Ridley Scott he gets alien which let's face it is only a third his film the writing

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Yeah, and the art direction and all the people in that film that made that brilliant

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It's not necessarily the directorial touch that makes alien brilliant. Yeah million things of which that's one

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Yes, same with Blade Runner, right? Yeah, incredible looking films a lot amazing where the cameras decided to be put

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It's the sets. Yes, it's the world building, right? Yes

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So he's this kind of privately educated dude who just jobs about he's a massive history nerd

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Yeah, and I think sometimes people ask him questions and he doesn't have an answer

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But he's terrified like I used to be not very long ago, which happens

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I went to a grammar school, which isn't private school, but it's that thing if someone asks you a thing and you just go

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I've got to sound like I know what we're talking about because I'm the director and I'm promo in the film

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They just chats just goes bleh

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Yeah

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Evidence by whilst I was looking into Ridley Scott Ridley Scott stated in an interview with Wired magazine

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Right the best science fiction films ever made in his opinion, right? Ah

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2001 a space Odyssey. Okay, I can see that Star Wars a new hope

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Okay, that's fine. Yeah on the beach, which I've not seen not seen it next to I have

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alien

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Blade Runner

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I love this guy. I love this guy so much and I'm gonna tell you what when I've been looking into Ridley Scott

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Don't take this offensively after everything that you've just said. Uh-huh. He reminds me of you. Oh

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No in the in the best possible way in the best possible way. This is me being a sincere, right?

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He reminds me of you and I'm gonna get into why shortly. Okay. Okay

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He reminds me of you for two reasons, right?

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The way that he treated Russell Crowe and the way that he treated Joaquin Phoenix, right?

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Love it. Brilliant performances by them in this film insane again

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It feels like a lot of this film that a lot of what makes this film brilliant. Mm-hmm isn't Ridley Scott

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Russell Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix if you swap them out for anyone Sean Penn and

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Timothy Chalamet this film doesn't work. No, of course not

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It's awful film, but you've mentioned about the scripts now

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I've got a little tidbit about the script of this film and how it came to be the

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We just mentioned that script was terrible. Ridley Scott didn't like it

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Russell Crowe read it and was like this is stupid

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He literally read it was like this is nonsense

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I don't think I'm gonna do this film

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And the only reason he signed on is because of the chats that he had with Ridley Scott now

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I've got something from Russell Crowe here. I'm just gonna read this out verbatim

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You do it in Russell Crowe's accent, yeah, he's Australian right?

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Then no

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I did it before and I had messages

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I was confident about my abilities as a leading man

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What I wasn't confident about with gladiator was the world that was surrounding me at the core of what we were doing was a great

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Concept but the script was rubbish absolute rubbish and had all sorts of strange sequences

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gladiators would have like

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endorsements on their chariots for olive oil like adverts

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Historically accurate, but why is this film? This is exactly what Russell Crowe said Russell Crowe said that's all true

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But it's just not gonna ring right with a modern audience

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They're gonna go what the fuck is all this right the energy around where we were and what we were doing was very fractured

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I did think a couple of times. Maybe my best option is to just get on a plane and fuck off

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It was my continued conversations with Ridley that sort of gave me faith

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And this is where he reminded me of you a little bit because if I'm ever having a wobble

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Or if I'm ever like uncomfortable with change, and I don't know which direction we're going in and all of this stuff

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This is what Ridley did for Russell. He said to me at one point in time

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Mate we're not committing anything to camera that you don't believe in 100%

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Which is a lovely thing. That's also a lie

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It was a thousand percent a lie, but anyway

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So when we actually started the film we'd stripped the script

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We'd stripped the script back to 21 pages

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Oh that we had agreed on now a script is usually between a hundred and three and a hundred and ten pages

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So we had a long way to go and basically used up all

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21 pages of the script that we had in the first section of the movie

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So by the time we got to our second location, which was Morocco. We were playing catch-up

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So Ridley Scott here has got Russell Crowe who's on his back legs being like I know what I'm doing

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I just don't know what you're doing. I don't know what the crew's doing. I don't know what this film's doing

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I don't know where we're all what we're doing, right? Mm-hmm Ridley sat him down and gone. Look, I hear what you're saying script

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But how about me and you we really get into this? Yeah, right and we get into it you help me write it

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I help you write it we get these things going on. We do XY and Z. Yeah

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There's like a little behind-the-scenes documentary that I've been watching. It's

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Six parts each parts like an hour long and it goes like really in-depth. It's amazing. God bless DVD extras

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Yeah, it's amazing and the the scene where Russell Crowe is

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Traveling back from Germania. So he's going back from like the German borders to Spain goes back to Spain on two horses

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Yeah, he rides a horse to death

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He's like battered beyond belief when he gets there his wife and child have been burned and nailed to a crucifix

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It's such such an affecting scene. It's horrible and he nails it. He nails it nails it to the wall

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He's got snot on command dude. This is where I'm going with this Ridley

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And him had this big thing about the snot and the amount of snot that Russell Crowe could produce

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It was the the way that this is described in this interview is harrowing because I was watching it and I was like

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This is a car crash. You can't be sitting there as Russell Crowe in a like a tuxedo

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He's all up. Yeah, so then as I was walking up towards the house

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I started doing a bit of snot but it was a bit too much and then I had like a spider's web snot between my

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Hands and then more hands and it was like just webbing everywhere. And then I was like Ridley

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I'm gonna go and kiss me wife's foot

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No, don't do that. No, don't do that because I've set up light in 20 feet away

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So don't go and kiss the wife's foot and he's like now I'm gonna do it mate

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I've got to go kiss her foot because I failed me

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I failed my wife once and it I've gone northern

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Wife once and if I do it I've come all this way and I don't like say goodbye to her. I failed her again

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He's correct. He is correct. He's correct. And you know what Ridley said

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No

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And then Russell Crowe did it anyway and was like, yeah, that's a great idea that is mate

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Right. This is what Ridley annoys me. I love it

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There's a quote from Russell Crowe that I love it comes from the making of this film amazing

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And it's it's only I've had to Google it just now, right?

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where he was talking about the some of the lines where he sat with Commodus and some of the lines

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When they're in the arena and he goes my name is Maximus Decimus Viridius father to a murdered son husband

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Yes, and it's mint and the hands in the score is going dude

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Russell Crowe didn't like bits of that script so he had to get him changed

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Yeah

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And there's bits in there that he's still to this day thinks a corny as all hell

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It doesn't matter because it just he carries it

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Yeah, but his quote was to the writer your lines are garbage

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But luckily I'm the greatest actor in the world and I can even make garbage sound good

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The thing is if you read that line sincerely

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Yeah, he's a d*** but if you read it with the heavy note of self-aware sarcasm, but it was no doubt delivered with he's f***ing hilarious

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It's that Australian humor right that no one else in the world can get away with just dry irony

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But it's also confident as all hell

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I can't say that in an American accent because you're immediately you're ostracized certain Australian accent everyone's like hey

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Speaking of Russell Crowe, I know he's a divisive factor

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There are lots of people who say he's got an angry face or they don't like him

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I've got a list of his injuries that he sustained on this film. It's insane. Amazing got dislocated his hip

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Teared his he tore his Achilles tendon. Oh my god

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He's got grade four tears in both Achilles tendons. She's broke his foot. He popped a bicep tendon out of its socket

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That's disgusting broke his face and broke his shoulder

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outstanding

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Everything that you just said is awful

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There was no trigger warning there. I get when you said dislocated hip right because that sounds that's pelvic damage

413
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That's the worst thing I can think of you can't sit you can't lie down. How do you get comfortable? You don't right?

414
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:48,180
I've done some background on Ross a crow as well. You've got his list of injuries here

415
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:50,580
He might be my favorite person that's ever existed

416
00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:52,380
so

417
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:53,580
Tigers

418
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:55,580
Are they good co-stars?

419
00:32:55,780 --> 00:33:01,900
Are they good co-stars? This is the question that we imagine not right because they always say never work with kids or animals, right?

420
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,980
Yeah, and like I tried filming a cat once yeah, and it could not give a fuck about direction

421
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:11,580
Okay, so now picture that with tigers. Yeah on chains

422
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:18,380
That is being manhandled by two human adults right that's who is in control of a tiger on a chain, okay?

423
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:21,260
Rob let me ask you a quick question if you were

424
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:28,940
You ever think about building a big old Coliseum set, you know for you and the hordes of extras that you're paying

425
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:34,940
Hundreds of thousands of dollars to the leading actors are earning millions to work in you know

426
00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:38,940
And then let I don't have that kind of budget in my sex life. Okay. Yeah fair fair

427
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:44,300
And then have you ever thought about me? I don't know maybe letting four tigers on retractable chains

428
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:49,900
Out to really sell the scene again. Don't have that budget for my sex life. All right

429
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:57,260
Well, you ever think about how small that set gets and how fast it shrinks when you have four

430
00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:00,380
Bengal tigers on chains

431
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:07,660
Actively chasing your lead actors in this massive set the set is tiny

432
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:13,420
Buddy it is miniscule now you have like a four foot radius around the edge of the Coliseum

433
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:18,700
That is not the tiger kill zone, right? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So I hadn't considered this all

434
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:25,020
Right up until Ridley Scott said in this behind the scenes documentary. They're so quick

435
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:27,820
And that's what you gotta be aware of

436
00:34:27,820 --> 00:34:29,020
Tigers Ridley

437
00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:33,020
Yeah, they're tigers now literally 11 feet long and nothing but muscle

438
00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:38,060
You you got to stay aware because if they get a hold of you you're dead before the animal handler gets there

439
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:42,540
Yes, obviously. They're tigers Ridley. Because it's a tiger and you're being mauled

440
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:45,580
That man is not going to step in the middle and go boys settle down here

441
00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:49,180
This is a film that we're making let's think of the careers. Let's think of the job

442
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:51,580
There's a release date in six months tigers

443
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:55,180
No, if there is if there's one human on the planet capable of punching out a tiger

444
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:56,700
I would put my money on Russell Crowe

445
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:59,420
Dude, this is where the Russell Crowe tidbit comes in

446
00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:03,980
Because the documentary what hard cuts to Russell Crowe close up just going

447
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:10,060
I was just drawn to these creatures and it's like buddy stay away from the tigers

448
00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:16,940
There was a little running joke with the cast on this film on how many times Russell Crowe had to dive out of the way of a tiger attack

449
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:19,740
And the saying that he said was

450
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,300
I mean that was a bit close and it's like yes, buddy

451
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:27,180
Because you're you're stood entirely too close to the tiger to do an actual tiger attack

452
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:32,060
You're stood entirely too close to the tiger to do an off-camera quip pretending to be Steve Irwin

453
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,780
Let's not do that because you might die

454
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:40,300
I love him so much. He's incredible. I want to I want to talk about the other main actor before we do

455
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:43,980
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Yeah, should we get back to the film? Yeah, let's do that one because those those boys sound like oh don't listen

469
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,860
Great actors on this film, right? Yes, buddy. There's one that I really want to well

470
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:52,860
There's a couple on it. Whackin Phoenix is brilliant. And I think this is his first

471
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:55,500
This is the first time I saw how brilliant he could be

472
00:36:55,980 --> 00:37:01,660
And yeah, it's a level of brilliance. He doesn't actually achieve all that regularly nowadays. I beg to differ

473
00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:05,340
I beg to differ. He's very very good in a lot of his recent stuff

474
00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:09,180
I don't know if he's as good as he is in this. Okay, I have I have different thoughts

475
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:13,340
I don't know whether or not i'm just expecting it. I maybe i'm expecting it from him. So i'm like, yeah

476
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:18,300
I'm waiting for the magic trick. Yeah, and there's the card. All right, always close-up magic

477
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:21,020
It's always close-up magic with you. It's insane

478
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:27,760
It's insane good analogy. It's a good analogy. The other guy I want to mention is really important is oliver reed

479
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,700
Speaking of uh speaking of performances that are blisteringly good

480
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,700
Uh, you remember earlier when I said

481
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:53,340
Ridley scott reminds me of you a little bit right the last nail in the coffin for me that was like, you know what?

482
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:57,500
Ridley scott might be a dude. He might be a dude right he tricked

483
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,580
Whackin Phoenix

484
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,940
What into her into his amazing performance?

485
00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:08,140
So obviously this is like whacking's first major production, right? Yeah

486
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:10,300
He's been he's done he's done bits and bobs

487
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:16,140
There's but not much been a child actor for his entire childhood like he's been doing stuff all over the place as as leaf

488
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:19,020
Phoenix, of course. Yeah leaf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

489
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:23,260
He's been doing he's been doing bits all over the place and obviously Ridley cast him and was like, yep

490
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:29,420
You are comodus. Yep. You are gonna do this and you are gonna be incredible whacking freaked out

491
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:35,980
He was wigging out. Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. I've got a massive i've got a big chunk of stuff from whacking who goes into

492
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:38,060
how

493
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:43,420
Ridley tricked him. Is it true? He fainted at one point. Yes, right. Okay. Tell me about that

494
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:49,500
So he he was down to nerves unable to do anything physically visibly shaking

495
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:53,660
Passes out because of the stress of everything that is going on around him

496
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:58,140
He's just unable to get takes done unable to get anything anything out. It's just you know

497
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:01,180
I mean, it's it's one of these things where it's built up in his head so much

498
00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:07,980
Yeah, that it is now a crippling performance anxiety literally literal crippling anxiety monster that stood in front of him

499
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:12,540
It's his first big break. So i've got this little bit from whacking phoenix here. You ready? Yeah

500
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:14,380
I was so green

501
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:18,780
I'd obviously been acting since I was a kid, but I'd never been part of a major production

502
00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:24,380
When I arrived on set for gladiator, honestly, I was so sick. I was shaking

503
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:26,860
I couldn't believe the size of the location

504
00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:32,300
Just how many trucks there were and I was terrified like really truly terrified

505
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:34,780
I couldn't do the first scene

506
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:40,880
I was literally visibly shaking and I couldn't get through the dialogue. My voice was quivering

507
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,280
And ridley scott kept rolling and it was just take after take after take

508
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,520
And I can't remember how many takes exactly we did just take after take for hours on end

509
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,400
Right and at the end of the film after everything was done and dusted the film had wrapped

510
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,240
Ridley turned to wacky and said you do know that I didn't have any film on the camera until like the last five takes, right?

511
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:11,040
Oh and because ridley knew that it wouldn't be beneficial to wacky

512
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Right for him to just say let's just rehearse it. Let's just see how we get on

513
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,760
Yeah, he had to make wacky feel as if they were actively filming and he was asking the crew

514
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:30,160
And the the rest of the cast to keep up the act and keep doing the same shot over and over and over because he knew

515
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,440
It was the only way for me to get to a place of feeling comfortable and I was just so amazed by that

516
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,960
And if that buddy is that from ridley scott or is that from wacky?

517
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,120
That's from wacky and phoenix. So wacky and phoenix spoke about how ridley scott literally got the entire cast and crew

518
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,000
to commit to doing hours of takes with no film on the cameras

519
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,080
To make sure that wacky got the performance that he did that's mind-blowing to me

520
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,720
And that is 1000 something that you would do for someone that you cared about. Here's the thing

521
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:05,520
It's something i've I used to do all the time, but it's the it's the reverse and I I swear it's bullsh** what ridley's saying

522
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,680
What I used to do with artists in the studio, right?

523
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Yeah, is you tell them you're not recording

524
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:20,100
And you record it because you always record everything. Yeah, the idea that you get wacky and phoenix

525
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,720
You get everyone set everything's ready. Yeah, and you tell him you're filming but don't yeah

526
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,800
Yeah, my question is what happens when you then watch with your eyes?

527
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:38,400
An incredible unrepeatable performance and wacky turns around and goes. Oh my god. I cracked it

528
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,360
I really got it there. I don't know how I did it, but that's the one. Yeah, can I see it back?

529
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,800
What do you say to him then? Uh, no, it's on tape

530
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,800
Right what you do instead is you film all of them, right?

531
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,800
You waste a mile of film right and then when he's feeling like the end of it you tell him

532
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,840
You only recorded the last five so he feels better about having done 50

533
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Okay, I can't I see where you're coming from. It's a nice thing to tell an actor

534
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,360
Who's feeling a little bit like they should the bed to go?

535
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,800
No, no, don't worry buddy. Right. I only had it rolling for the last five. There's no way on god's earth

536
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,880
I would ever let anyone do their thing and then me not catch it because that's literally my job

537
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:31,040
Right, so your your thing is audio and I understand that with audio unless you're recording to tape, which is wildly expensive

538
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,160
Yeah, you can afford the the the disc space

539
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,800
To let it record for two hours. It's different and I trust Ridley Scott. I know it I know what you're saying is true

540
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Yeah, it's just an insane difference

541
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,360
And the way I used to work because I would as with many times go in and go just go in and rehearse it

542
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,020
And then i'd lean over and just hit record. Yeah, you've done it to me countless times. It's infuriating

543
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,720
Yeah

544
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:01,120
You'd be surprised how many times the final vocal includes a couple of lines from that those rehearsals though. It's it's ridiculous

545
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,840
You've done it to me loads. Um, I love you for it, but also

546
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,560
You

547
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:13,600
It's the fact that that Ridley put himself and the entire production a little bit out of their way

548
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,840
To make sure that Joaquin did what he knew Joaquin could do

549
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,080
Even when he stood there shaking quivering can't get his dialogue out

550
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,720
Can't focus can't get anything done because the anxiety and Ridley's like, yeah, let's just go again man. Keep it rolling

551
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Let's just go man. Just keep it rolling good man. How lovely is that to have an entire crew? Just have your back

552
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,000
For hours on end. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah

553
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Yeah, I know I get it. It's also their job and it yeah

554
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,600
It's their job also it reminded me of you when I was a little bit like, you know

555
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:47,360
What Ridley Scott might be a dude and not just someone who can never pick scripts, you know what I mean?

556
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,640
Yeah, he's such a he's such a bad curator. Yeah, he's awful really is right

557
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,480
I there's tons of stuff that i've done that we can't get into because time

558
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,560
CGI of this film's insane

559
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:06,240
There's some facts in here where it is literally they had 2 000 extras

560
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,920
Right and these they CGI'd for the coliseum crowd. They CGI'd up to 70 000

561
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,160
people

562
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,400
All of them, I mean all of them milling about all of them cheering and jeering

563
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,960
The spectacle of this film is there's no point us waxing lyrical about it

564
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,000
You've just got you've got to watch it and you have to it's the year 2000

565
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Yeah, uh, and the matrix has only just come out and you're like, yeah

566
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,200
It's all about the future and then you watch this and you're like, no, it's all about the past. Yeah

567
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Like we could have done a three-hour show about

568
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,040
The the mechanical making of it. Oh, yeah thousand but realistically just go watch the film dude

569
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:49,440
Like there is there is documentaries on the miniatures that were built for this film that are longer than the film directors cut

570
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,280
Right i'm being say i've watched one and I got to the end of it and was like wow

571
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,440
So essentially they built a miniature put a bit of CGI in it. Awesome

572
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,400
It's an incredible watch but also if we're going to sit here and talk about it with get a textbook

573
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:09,600
Do you know what I mean? Get a notebook 100% we're taking notes bud the thing that I find most interesting and most relevant about this film

574
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,440
Watching it this week

575
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,240
Especially with how I feel today, which is super panicked

576
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:19,840
And super like i've looked like the world has changed forever and it's it everything is worse now

577
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,920
It might be it might not be is uh, there's an it well exactly

578
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:30,160
There's an interview with Ridley Scott and he he specifies that the the hidden dagger that comodus pulls out of his sleeve

579
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,080
During the final duel is the same one that he uses to stab maximus in the back of the lung before the fight

580
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,240
So they're they're both killed by the same weapon. Yeah

581
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,440
So they're both killed the same way. Yeah now

582
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,000
It kind of sets up

583
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,440
The two main characters in this film because you can see comodus is an antagonist and he is

584
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Yeah, but he's also got a point

585
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,840
Yes, but comodus is an external validation seeking

586
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,520
victim complex kind of grief denier, okay, while maximus is

587
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,320
Totally internally validated. Yeah

588
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Very self-aware grief acceptor. Yes, and they both die by the same weapon. Yes, but both men lost the future

589
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,320
That they were certain was gonna happen. They did comodus was certain. He was gonna be emperor

590
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:27,360
Maximus was certain he was gonna retire and spend his retirement with his wife and kids and that changed

591
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,120
It did right life came along and went no yourself. Mm-hmm

592
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:38,480
The differences in their story in this film all depend on how they react to that

593
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,240
It does maximus accepts his grief. He mourns his family

594
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,600
He talks about his family with his mates. He recognizes that

595
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:53,360
Things are really bad right now, but they're not going to be bad forever because he'll see his family again in the afterlife

596
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,440
He's got he's got that acceptance of his loss. Yeah, he accepts his loss comodus denies his loss

597
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,200
He fights against it. Yeah, no, I won't accept that loss. I won't take that loss on the chin

598
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,960
I won't take it as a learning moment. I will say nah, no, no, no, I'm gonna steal it back

599
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,320
Yeah, that's not right. That's that's illegal. That's that's cheating

600
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,240
Maximus has an inherent sense of confidence. Whereas comodus

601
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Only values himself by how other people value him. Whoa

602
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,920
Looks to the people of Rome. Why don't you love me looks to his dad? Why why what's wrong with me?

603
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,600
Well, how can you not see how brilliant I am? Yeah, yeah maximus accepts his limitations and his vulnerabilities

604
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,960
There's a scene where he's chatting with lucilla connie connie nielsen's character

605
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,240
He's like what do you expect me to do about this? I am a slave. Yeah, I'm not in a position

606
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,840
Yeah, where I can influence this this isn't something I have any control over

607
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:55,040
So I don't feel any guilt about what's going on and I don't feel like this it's not

608
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:02,240
Like on the back of your sobriety coin grant me the serenity to understand what I can change what I can't and the wisdom to know

609
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:06,720
The difference right? Yeah, definitely and he's like I can't whereas comodus is going around going

610
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:12,480
I'm the emperor of rome and it it has to happen my way. It's my way or the highway

611
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,280
I have the power. I have the control the way that the way that they're both portrayed

612
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,720
Both of them are relatable

613
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,240
Like obviously one's a slave one of them's an emperor of rome

614
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,400
Yeah, but they're one of them's quite like likable and quite friendly and quite honorable the other one's a detestable little worm

615
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,840
But like both relatable and they're both related that way. They're both betrayed with their own strong will

616
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,320
and the director's cut that we both watched

617
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:48,000
There's tons of extra little tidbits that really pepper. Yeah the character development so that you see the struggles that they're having

618
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,120
Yeah, when their the mask slips a little bit, you know, I mean this director's cut is a brilliant

619
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,800
Director's cut for people who've seen the theatrical

620
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,480
Yes, watch the theatrical and if you enjoy it next time you watch the film a few years later

621
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Watch the director's cut and you'll go. Oh, wow. I appreciate that. Well my theatrical cut only showed up in the last couple days

622
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:16,960
I watched the director's cut twice and I ordered I didn't know where else to get the theatrical cut from so I ordered the vhs

623
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,680
And uh, it showed up like yesterday. Haven't had time to watch it yet. Yeah, but I will do

624
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,240
Right, and it'll be great

625
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,080
I think I think just briefly and i'll wrap up that point that

626
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:34,320
Terrible things happen to both these men and the future that they were certain of is taken away from them

627
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,440
And the only difference between their stories is that one of them

628
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,240
accepts that loss

629
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:48,320
And recognizes that they will the good days will happen again. Yeah, but not yet

630
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:55,120
Yeah, and they are active and they're kind and kindness is a really

631
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,600
Really powerful strength when you've got tough times like maximus it really

632
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:06,560
Truly is and it's it's what will get him and all of us through when inevitably life comes along and goes

633
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,880
Now that thing you were getting now, you're not

634
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,600
If that isn't a poignant lesson for what's happening right now

635
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,240
Right everywhere

636
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,240
Just being a little bit kinder

637
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Might help right everyone just get through the struggles, right? And that's why for me

638
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,480
This is the perfect blockbuster popcorn template because it was the first blockbuster I saw

639
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,800
And it went here is a woman getting cut in half by a sword

640
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,800
Nailed onto a wheel and here is a man fighting tigers

641
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:43,440
But also there's this that's there if you care for it, okay, but we're gonna bury it so you don't have to look at it

642
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Yeah, it's only there if you go looking for it. I love that

643
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,160
See my first blockbuster was jaws and it was big shark

644
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,000
Head politicians also massive subtext if you want to dive into this one, buddy. Yeah, that was a good one

645
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,080
I love that. These are our two blockbusters. We're gonna have to do jaws at some point soon man

646
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,040
We really are we'll dig into that one. How much did this make it the cinema?

647
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,720
So it had a budget of 103 how much do you think it made? Give me give me I know this was huge

648
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,960
I know this was huge because this started a spree of like historical action drama movies like troy

649
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,760
300 heaven 300 300

650
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:24,240
300 heaven 300 300 you couldn't move for him and the only way that would have happened

651
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,000
Is if this was incredibly profitable. Yeah massive

652
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,240
So i'm gonna say 300 million way more it made

653
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:35,840
465.4 million worldwide

654
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,800
Yeah, I know and it only took 24 years to get a sequel

655
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Okay, buddy

656
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Someone's still recovering from covenant speaking of speaking of awful sequels. Would you like to play a game? I would love to buddy

657
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:57,280
What we're doing? We've done a couple of perhaps ill-advised sequels this year. Yeah, aiden romulus

658
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,680
Let's not the crow reboot remake sequel. Sure joker 2

659
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:06,960
Great film how dare you i'll die in this hill i'll die in this hill. So here's here's my point

660
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,840
What if we did that with a band?

661
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,760
Would you be interested in starting with me? Mm-hmm the beetles two

662
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,360
Yes, buddy, right. Okay. How's this work? I'm thinking we could we could have different slightly different song titles

663
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,660
So we wouldn't get sued right so like hell on the dick

664
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:36,340
Right, okay or all you need is a significant pay rise in therapy. Yeah, buddy

665
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:38,340
Uh

666
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:52,340
Instead of help I was thinking you could have I told you i'm fine already. Oh, that's a good one

667
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:54,660
Told you i'm fine already

668
00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:59,700
Don't need nobody. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What about instead of let it be?

669
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:01,700
Fuck it off

670
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,060
Fuck it off. Fuck it off. Yeah, fuck it off

671
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:09,540
All right, it's like a deep album cut but he is coming

672
00:53:10,340 --> 00:53:11,620
out

673
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:15,940
Wow rather than she's leaving home. Okay, that's a good one. What about this one?

674
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:24,680
We all live in a purple aeroplane a purple aeroplane water ball is myself you absolute bastard

675
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:33,300
What about the uh, the already slightly problematic song that ringo sings called don't you know, I mean boys

676
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:38,020
Girls and we just call it girls and now it's a slightly more problematic song that ringo sings

677
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:43,540
Okay, okay. I had one I had one for this and this i'm gonna be honest. This is why I brought the whole game

678
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:46,760
Okay, white guy screaming in the mid afternoon

679
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:51,400
Wow, yeah, you've got no wings. You'll need a big balloon

680
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:58,420
All right, white guy screaming in the mid afternoon, yeah, that's that's my final play

681
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:02,580
All right. I've got one final one. I think we can close the show on this one. You ready? Right?

682
00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:04,580
Right there goes the moon

683
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:14,520
That's that's moon crash by uh, yeah, I love this game dude this game is endless like legitimately

684
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:17,220
It goes the moon's just moon crash

685
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:23,780
You're about moonfall the movie moon falls. Yeah, I was gonna say moon crash might be better though

686
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:29,140
Why didn't they use that as the theme song? Yeah, what you're writing gladiator 2000 ridley scott

687
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:31,220
um

688
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:34,100
Because it's sword and sandal when I first watched it

689
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,860
It would have been like a six because I was like, yes fine. It's it's a fine action

690
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:43,060
It's three hours of my life that i'm gonna go. Yeah, that's you know, dusty. That's pretty good

691
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:44,900
love sand

692
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:49,380
Uh, yeah, snotty russell crocus in the foot. Can't get that image out my brain

693
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:56,020
Uh, but then obviously like watching it again really paying attention to it

694
00:54:56,020 --> 00:55:02,520
I'm just like watching it genuinely being able to relate to the two characters that are warring at each other and knowing that i've been in

695
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:08,680
In both of their shoes at some point i've been both these people i've what you tried to f**k your sister. That's gross ben

696
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,560
10

697
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Oh, I wish we could do this but like play it straight face, you know what I mean?

698
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Because that would be devastating to my reputation. Uh fat 10 has to be fat. Yeah, i'm the same

699
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,360
Uh, you can tell me all the things that are wrong with it

700
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,680
You can tell me all the reasons that you don't enjoy it and i'll agree with you

701
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,040
I will agree with you. Of course, and i'll still give it a 10. It's involuntary. I'm just like that's nice

702
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,520
But I really like it. Oh, you can see the bit that flipped the chariot and this bit

703
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,800
It looks like a hydraulics. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you can brilliant. Do you know what else you can see?

704
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,200
I love it tigers mate four of them

705
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,360
Four real tigers running about after rossel crow. Yeah

706
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,640
Oh, what were you concerned about a chariot? Fine. Just one just one comment corner

707
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,620
Okay this week. Yeah, uh, and it's because christina delicade

708
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,100
Okay, I don't know. It's uh, because christina delicadena cadena

709
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:21,900
Um, okay eight days ago and we recorded and we said we would definitely do it this week. Yeah

710
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:26,700
And i'm really happy. We've got time this week. Excellent. Lovely. You ready? Yeah, hit me with it

711
00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:32,540
Hi ben and rob christina here. I just listened to your latest episode and I wanted to send a few words to you too

712
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:34,780
so this is in response to

713
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:37,020
Our

714
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:40,940
We need to talk episode about launching the patreon. Okay, she says two years ago

715
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:45,660
I took the chance to accept a new job that implied moving to another country with my 14 year old son

716
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:49,500
Wow, i'm originally from a spanish-speaking country and moved to the u.s

717
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:52,220
Which adds a little complexity to the situation? Okay

718
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:57,740
It's a big change mostly because I didn't know anybody and it's still a little hard to have my friends and family so far away

719
00:56:58,460 --> 00:57:03,420
Loneliness can be a really hard thing to deal with and here is where you two with your podcast came into my life

720
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:07,660
I don't even remember how in the world they ended up finding you but i'm so glad that I did

721
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:12,380
Oh, i've heard so many other people say it feels like I have a date with friends every week

722
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:18,000
And I look forward to my monday mornings to start my week listening to you talk be silly and sarcastic

723
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:22,060
And share that dark humor. I enjoy so much. Isn't that the way true friends talk?

724
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:24,860
this week's episode

725
00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:26,220
about the uh

726
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:28,460
The struggles we were having yeah had me in tears

727
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:32,380
You both are so lucky to have each other and more lucky to know and appreciate that

728
00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:37,020
I never thought I was going to join patreon, but you made it happen. Oh, follow you guys there

729
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:39,340
I'm happy you found a solution that makes you happy

730
00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:43,980
But also allow us your friends from way back to keep having the real content

731
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:47,820
The one not so stressed about what is trendy or that will attract the masses

732
00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:53,660
I just want to hear how you were doing while also talking about some movie that I may or may not know

733
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:59,740
Anyway, I was a little worried about what news you were going to share last week sounded like you two were tired of the podcast

734
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:02,540
So again, i'm happy there is a way you can still enjoy it

735
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:08,540
And by the way, if you ask me, I think you're doing a wonderful job. Not no need to stress about it

736
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:11,820
Well first off christina

737
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:17,740
Love you. Thanks for that. That's incredible. Uh, that's incredibly sweet. I cannot imagine

738
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:22,620
How hard it must be to uproot your entire life to a country?

739
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:28,540
That's not speaking your native tongue and then yeah, you like commit to that long term because that's insane

740
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,100
I did japan for two years and it was

741
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:37,580
Rough you ended up working as a friend escort. Yeah, watered down hooker. I was legit. I was just a rent a friend

742
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:43,900
God that's so that's so weird to say out loud. I was 18

743
00:58:46,060 --> 00:58:52,220
Working for alcohol. Yeah in a friend for hire bar. Yeah, I was getting paid 250 quid a month

744
00:58:52,220 --> 00:59:01,420
Oh Ben I used to make twice that in a day mate. Yeah, you were 18 though. I wasn't 18. Yeah, yeah, dude

745
00:59:01,820 --> 00:59:06,220
Same here. And also we're both in the same spot. We're both in our mom's basement now, aren't we? That's what I mean

746
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:13,740
Christina that's that's honestly it's lovely. Sorry to worry you about the the where we were going with it

747
00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:15,740
It was more i'm not I intended to

748
00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:23,100
I'm a manipulation ploy. All right, Ridley calm down. Jesus christ. Everyone's whacking into you, isn't they?

749
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:32,220
No, we we are genuinely so grateful to have our audience and since we've started patreon

750
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:37,020
I'm just going to jinx it right now and say that things have been much much easier

751
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:40,700
That sadly is all the time we have for this week

752
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:47,180
It is and I am gutted because i've been having a whale of a time mate. This is exactly what I need recording so much better now

753
00:59:47,180 --> 00:59:52,540
And yeah, dude, honestly so much fun guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with us

754
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:57,180
You have no idea how much this means for us both. We love you from the bottom of our hearts

755
00:59:58,460 --> 01:00:02,620
Thank you for spending time with us. We'll see you next week. What are we doing next week next week, mate?

756
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,580
We are doing benjamin button. Yeah

757
01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:07,580
Yay

758
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:11,900
Let's hope it ages as well as brad pitt does in that film

759
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:18,940
Oh, and that's why we get paid the small bucks. That's why we get paid pennies buddy

760
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:23,020
Ben is now going to thank you for spending an hour of your week

761
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,940
With us, especially at the start of your week. We know a lot of you listen on a monday

762
01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:30,460
By wrapping up the thoughts themes and feelings of this movie

763
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:37,020
Into a little you know monday motivational pep talk to help you get through your week

764
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:41,740
It's going to be a difficult week for us all and ben is going to make it all better

765
01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:46,860
While I just tell you to do what society has always told you to do and probably always will tell you to do

766
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:48,700
consume

767
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:50,300
Do I go?

768
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:52,540
Like wisdom me or do I go edge lordy?

769
01:00:53,020 --> 01:00:58,860
Or go wisdom me so the movie obviously you've got the two ways that you can handle any sort of grief your life

770
01:00:58,860 --> 01:01:03,740
Changes is out of your control. You have two ways to handle it your comodus or your maximus

771
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:09,180
I would always recommend choosing maximus, but just know that if you do happen on to be on comoduses path

772
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:10,380
There is always a way out

773
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:15,660
You know, I mean there's always a maximus there to stab you in the fucking throat in front of a crowd of people

774
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:17,980
That do not give a shit about your existence

775
01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:22,620
Jokes on you. It was the edgelord path all along there are two wolves inside your buddy

776
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:28,620
One of them is mean and the other one is a sigma and they're both cats