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Have we got an open for this week?

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Yes, we need to reiterate the swear jar.

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We've sworn like sailors for two and a half years.

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I thought that was just the Fincher series.

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Are we doing this for this as well?

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For Joker as well?

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Going forward, we're trying to professionalise.

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Oh, I'm 35, Rob.

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You know what I mean?

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When do I hit the age where people stop policing?

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When you stop having a podcast.

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Don't worry, Ben, might be soon.

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All right?

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Every Movie Ever podcast.

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My name is Ben Groves.

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And my name is Rob Macfarlane.

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Welcome to the show, a movie podcast slash mental health check in for two

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broken, broken brain boys talking around their problems, but not about their problems.

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Never.

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Laughing, laughing at movies, you know, laughing at movies.

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We don't have problems.

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But before we get to what we're doing, Ben, let's get into the most important

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bit of the week, which is how are you doing?

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I'm doing all right, man.

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Throat hurts from yelling at people, road rage.

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You know what I mean?

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It rained a little bit and everyone drove 25 miles under the speed limit forever.

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So that was great.

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How are you, buddy?

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I'm looking for the bit in my life where I can dance down some stairs in juggalo makeup.

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Hell yeah, man.

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I'm currently at the bit where I'm sort of getting repeatedly smashed over the head with a sign.

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So, yeah, we'll move, we'll move.

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But that may have given the listeners a bit of a clue as to what we're getting into.

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Tell them today, buddy, we are doing Joker.

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We are. We are.

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We've got too much to get into this week.

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So we were going to get into what movies inspired Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix,

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how this touchstone of incel culture came to life on the page.

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In what universe can a man get this skinny and still be terrifying?

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And most importantly, we're going to try and diagnose the Joker using the DSM 5 manual.

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Are we?

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Yes.

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Oh, God.

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Right.

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I've spent weeks on this.

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That's upsetting because there's very little to do in the film.

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I want you to picture something, Ben.

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Picturing it?

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I want you to picture a big red bus going around the United Kingdom with some massive

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lies on the side about how good Brexit will be.

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Oh, that was good.

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Yeah, they had a water fight on the Thames.

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Right. I want you to imagine the Amazon rainforest is on fire.

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Oh, that makes me sad. But OK.

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I want you to imagine widespread protests bringing out millions in Hong Kong,

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OK, hundreds of thousands in India and about 12 people outside Area 51.

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That was the important one.

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That was the important one.

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Yeah. The year is 2019.

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2019?

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I'm still I'm still a raging sex, drugs and rock and roll machine on the verge of a third breakdown.

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Your sad, twisted kind of flow in through a weird existential crisis

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that's been prolonged for the last eight years.

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Ben, you're telling me you've not had a single bit of character development since 2019?

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No, I'm working on it.

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It's a slow burn.

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Fuck you. This is the drama that you've been craving.

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This is the three hour Vietnam drama that you love.

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All right. It's looking more like a soap opera, mate.

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My name's Robin. I'm fucking hilarious.

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But the year is 2019.

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Good.

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We're both in different forms of crisis than the one we're in now.

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Good.

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And Todd Phillips brings the Joker to screen.

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Yeah, he does.

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Between 55 and 70 million.

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That's actually crazy. I thought it would have been way more than that.

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Right?

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Yeah. To build all them steps.

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Weirdly, they've they've become a bit of a nuisance to the people who live near and use those steps.

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I can see that.

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Did you watch this for the first time for this show? Because I remember not that long ago,

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suggesting that we cover this.

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And you were like, oh, yeah, probably need to watch that.

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And I did it. I sort of told you off.

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I was like, what? You've not seen Joker?

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What, bro, have you not seen Joker?

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And then you were like, yeah, I've just not got around to it yet.

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And I'm like, that's rational. People have limited time.

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And then you've now brought it.

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So at a certain point, I imagine you watched it.

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Please don't say you picked it.

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Just did you just pull a card and go, oh, it's Joker.

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So I didn't I miss this in the cinema because I'm not a big Batman guy.

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So naturally, I'm not going to be a big Batman villain solo movie guy.

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Also, you never know if you go to a Batman movie and someone starts laughing a bit too

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loud in the front row, that's what you lost.

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That's what I mean. You know what I mean?

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I can't have someone go all Green Goblin on me.

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You know what I mean? I don't know, DC.

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Fuck you. It's Marvel.

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Oh, no, no, it's the cinema shooting I was referencing.

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Oh, far classier.

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Yeah. Yeah. OK. That's way better. OK.

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You see, we can't swear, but we can still be terrible people, Ben.

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Have I sworn yet? I think I might have. I don't know.

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Well, someone's counting.

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Someone's waiting to send an owl picture to you.

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Fuck.

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Oh, I'm not editing that out.

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I'm not editing that out. That's two now.

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That's two now. It might be two, but it might be more.

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He's shredding his swear word. Yeah, maybe.

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I saw this, I don't know, like a year or so after it was out in the cinema.

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And it was because everyone was banging on about it.

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Everyone was talking about being sort of like, it's amazing.

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It's not a superhero movie per se.

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And I was like, shut up. It's The Joker. Right.

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Obviously. Right. It's a superhero esque movie.

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Did you enjoy it when you watched it?

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I blew my absolute nips off me.

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Honestly, I watched it going and being sort of like, oh, this is another DC romp.

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And it's going to be goofy and over the top.

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And then I came out of it and I was like, that is probably one of the most

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harrowing looks of how society treats mental health that I have ever seen on the big screen.

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And I didn't even see it on a big screen.

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And it just it just broke me, mate. It broke me into pieces.

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And I got reminded of this a little while ago.

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Obviously, the new one's coming out.

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I got reminded of it a little while ago. Watch it. Watch it again.

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Very excited for the sequel. It's insane.

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When did you see it? What's it mean to you?

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Give me a dish. I saw it at the cinema.

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I was very confused about it because I'm a big fan of the comic books Joker.

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Not having an origin or having five or six.

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OK. The idea that he is Batman is order and Batman is a sort of perverse.

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There is justice and I will make it right.

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And I like Joker as we covered when we did the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy.

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Yeah. And we talked about Joker being the the casual and indifferent

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unfairness and cruelty of the world.

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It doesn't have an origin. No, right.

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It just exists. It's just there. It just exists.

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It just exists. It's always existed.

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And it doesn't matter where it came from, because it's doing things to you right now.

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Also, it doesn't matter how you deal with it, because it will forever

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just keep coming back a permanent face. Right. Right. Right. Exactly.

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So I was a big fan of that.

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I was like, I can I see so much of that in my life. I love it. Good.

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And then Todd Phillips comes along and goes, well, guess who?

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I'm going to give a canonical origin to.

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And my God, if canonical origin is not a tongue teaser, that I'm not even going to

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attempt to say it because I would physically melt.

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And then I saw it and I realized that it's not the Joker, it's Joker.

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This is well, we'll get into what universe.

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I've called it the Joker all episode so far, but thank you for that, bud.

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Thanks for correcting me now.

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It's not the Joker. It's not the definitive Joker.

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OK, I see. It's Joker. I see. Right.

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Yeah, I misunderstood.

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And then I overreacted. So I apologize. Thank you.

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I've written the breakdown this week. It is a little different.

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I'm going to need your help on this one, mate, because I've written it

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with a very specific idea in mind and I have not communicated this idea to you

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at all yet. So for new listeners, let me just quickly communicate to them

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that this is your last spoiler warning.

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Oh, this we are talking quite depth about the movie.

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And in order to refresh people who perhaps haven't seen it recently

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and want to know what we're talking about or be reminded of some of the themes

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of the film, we sort of go through the three acts of the movie at the front

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so we can just get on with talking about what we want to talk about.

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It's not some sort of watch along with no eyes.

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Yeah, if you don't want to be if you don't want the film spoiled,

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literally pause the show right now, go and watch it and then immediately

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come back to us because we are desperate for the validation.

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We need your attention.

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But as you were saying, you need yet more help.

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I do. I need some help from you.

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So I've written this with a very specific idea in mind.

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I've not told you about it at all.

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So here is my chance to whilst recording.

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Lovely. Yeah.

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So because this film is quite dark, it's quite harrowing,

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it's pretty intense in places, quite violent in places,

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but it's pretty dank all the way through.

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You know what I mean?

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So I thought we could do this in a fun way, right?

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So we present it in like a fun, bouncy, charming Disney kind of vibe.

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You know what I mean?

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Disney like Disney VHS from the 90s?

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Nah, buddy, like Disney Channel.

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Oh, that's great.

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The one we couldn't afford to have in our homes that we've never seen.

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Oh, I've never seen it. No, I've never seen it.

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But I think...

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How I imagine Disney Channel.

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That's what I want from you.

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For this reason, I want you to give me what you think Disney Channel is.

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And what I need you to do is I want you to kick us off.

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Act titles included, please, buddy.

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We're having a breakdown.

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Act one.

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Hi, I'm Arthur and welcome to the Disney Channel.

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World, meet Arthur Fleck, a mentally ill and socially disabled man

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struggling to find his place in a bleak and uncaring Gotham City.

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I was not prepared for the accent.

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He works as a clown for hire while aspiring to be a stand up comedian.

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He lives with his frail mother Penny and grapples with a neurological condition

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that causes uncontrollable bouts of laughter.

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Arthur is continually subjected to mistreatment, both from society at large

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and his coworkers.

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His encounters with social services and his attempts to connect with others

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reveal his deep loneliness and despair.

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The turning point comes when he is attacked by a group of teenagers,

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setting the tone for his mounting frustration and hopelessness.

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Just as things are going from bad to worse, social servicing funding is cut,

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meaning no more therapy and no more medication for jolly old Arthur Fleck.

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I was so unprepared for that.

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You have no idea.

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If you think I'm not going to send it, you're right.

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That is actually incredible.

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Fair play.

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I can't do that accent, but I'm going to give it a go.

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You ready for this?

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Ben, having read act one and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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Thanks.

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Having read act one, it's exhausting to do, so it's going to be exhausting to listen to.

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Got you.

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I love it.

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Let's keep the writing style, but if you could do a sort of Northern advert for a bank

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or something evoking times of old, think like Hovis Bread.

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I got you.

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Warm, comforting, homely Midlands man.

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All right.

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Talking about times past.

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I've got you.

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I'm not going to.

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All right.

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I've got something for this.

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I've got something for this, but you're ready.

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Okay.

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Act two.

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That's so not Raven.

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Arthur's life spirals fast.

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His life spirals further out of control after he's fired from his job for bringing a gun

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into a children's hospital.

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So not Raven.

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On his way home, he is harassed by three drunken businessmen on the subway and in a moment

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of desperation shoots them all in the face.

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That's so not Raven.

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So not Raven.

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This act of violence unintentionally sparks a movement against Gotham's wealthy elite

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masters donning clown masks in his image.

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That's so not Raven.

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Arthur emboldened by his newfound notoriety begins to embrace his darker impulses.

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He learns disturbing truths about his mother, including the possibility that he may be the

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illegitimate son of billionaire Thomas Wayne.

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That's looking like it might be a bit more Raven, aye?

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Daddy money bag's a bit more Raven that, isn't it?

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All right.

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Feeling betrayed by the few people he trusted, he kills his mother and form a co-worker in

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cold blood.

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Oh, that's immediately back to being so not Raven.

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After appearing at a local comedy club and bombing in front of his imaginary fake girlfriend,

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Arthur's transformation into the Joker accelerates as he prepares to appear on his idol,

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Murray Franklin's talk show.

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Hi, I'm Joker and welcome to the Disney Channel.

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Yay!

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Arthur, now fully adopting the Joker persona, appears on Murray Franklin's show to talk

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about his stand-up show, but is immediately ridiculed.

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Ooh!

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During the live broadcast, he confesses to the subway murders and delivers a chilling

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monologue about society's indifference to the suffering of the marginalized.

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Oh, that's so cool.

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Oh, wait, maybe if I go...

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He then shoots and kills Murray on live television.

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Oh my god, Goth.

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Creating widespread panic and chaos.

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No, even I can't do that.

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This act of violence becomes the catalyst for a city-wide riot with Gotham descending

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into anarchy.

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Amidst the chaos, the Joker becomes the symbol for the disenfranchised gun of a camper now,

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cementing his transformation.

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After the city has eaten itself alive, we join Joker in Arkham State Hospital, laughing

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maniacally.

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Ha ha!

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Hoo hoo!

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Hee hee!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha!

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Was this real?

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Did it?

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Did it really happen?

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Or is this a reflection of my own mind?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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He escapes from an interview leaving a bloody trail, whilst dancing down the corridors of

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the asylum.

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Next up on the Disney Channel, some other horribly abused child who in 25 years time

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will be horribly mocked for turning up by the ruthless media giants who throw trauma

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at children faster than British TV presenters return to their careers after admitted to

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being a literal nonce.

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Ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha!

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That could go either way.

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That's either hilarious or it's horrible.

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Either way, we tried the Disney Channel.

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We don't know the Disney Channel, but we tried it.

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You know what I mean?

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Well, regular listeners, welcome back to being the only one still tuned in.

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Ha ha ha!

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If you are a new listener still here right now, let us know.

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Drop us an email.

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Welcome.

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If you tolerated that, you trust me, the show's for you.

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Yeah, this is it, man.

331
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If you're here now, woo!

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Are you in for a treat?

333
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Quick point of order, Ben.

334
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Is nonce a swear word?

335
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And for the benefit of our American listeners who don't speak goblin, what is a nonce?

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Pedophile.

337
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And it's not a swear word.

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OK, fantastic.

339
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That means we're only on three.

340
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Oh, I put one in the breakdown!

341
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Sorry, sorry, sorry!

342
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You get one more before I get more owls.

343
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Why is everyone sending owls?

344
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Where are the crabs?

345
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People are sending owls, Ben, because they know which side the bread is buttered on, my friend.

346
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They know who the talent is.

347
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Stop going Disney Channel.

348
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You're going to do this all the time.

349
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I hate that I've introduced you to it.

350
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Yeah, yeah, I am.

351
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I'm going to find, it's my new talent now, mate.

352
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I've found a new talent.

353
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I can do the Disney Channel voice.

354
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Speaking of which, I'm going to do the voice of the Disney Channel.

355
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Speaking of nonces!

356
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Are we sure it's not?

357
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Welcome to the transition. Speaking of nonces, I found your people in this film, mate.

358
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Did you spot them?

359
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Sorry, sorry, that can't be the transition.

360
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That can't be the transition.

361
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Speaking of nonces, you found my people.

362
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I've painted us into a Disney Channel corner.

363
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I need to get us out.

364
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It needs to go.

365
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Right, because let's just the record state, Ben thinks nonces are my people.

366
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No, no.

367
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No.

368
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Not at all.

369
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It's just a fun word that poor people use for rich people.

370
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Yeah, it might be rich, but it's probably a nonce.

371
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Get to the point, Ben.

372
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Chaplin, buddy, your people in the theatre.

373
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They were watching Chaplin.

374
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We did a three episode arc about how he's not.

375
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No, they listened.

376
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I reckon they're the people that listened.

377
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We tanked numbers of about the entire film.

378
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We're not going to be able to do that.

379
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We tanked numbers of about the attendance in that theatre.

380
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I reckon it was them.

381
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They listened to your Chaplin trilogy.

382
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Again, I brought the Charlie Chaplin series because I thought as a podcast that covered every movie ever,

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it would be worthwhile going back in time,

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looking at the very foundation of cinema,

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and looking at one of cinema's most iconic characters and celebrities

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that people know even if they've never seen one of his films.

387
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And I was like, well, maybe, maybe come with us and we'll show you some of those films.

388
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Guess what? No one came along.

389
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Yeah, fat lot of good that did.

390
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Not a single person tuned in.

391
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We should have done Buster Keaton, you know what I mean?

392
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We could have done early stunt work, we could have done early wire work,

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we could have got into a whole little bit like this.

394
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Buster Keaton does all that, but there's absolutely no plot, story or subtext.

395
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It's just look at this man do this thing.

396
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It's the Fast and Furious of the 1920s, Ben.

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Yeah.

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And now I say that out loud, I should have led with that, you're right.

399
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Yeah.

400
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It is 100% your take.

401
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I thought it was interesting that something that I brought was appeared in a film that you love,

402
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that you could have gone, oh, I've seen that film.

403
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You've seen all of the film that he watches in that theatre.

404
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Tell you a film you haven't seen that's probably more important.

405
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Do you know a movie called The Man Who Laughs?

406
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The only reason I know this is because you wrote those three words,

407
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Man Who Laughs, in our notes.

408
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Well, that surprises me, Ben, because it's a film that's right up your alley.

409
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It's a 1928 romantic gothic melodrama.

410
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Oh, continue.

411
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It's directed by legendary director Paul Lenny about a man who as a child is facially disfigured

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to have a permanent grin on his face.

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Oh, don't stop.

414
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I can't keep those. Ben, people have these in headphones.

415
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I'm not keeping them. I am keeping those adlets in.

416
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And they're on you. I'm tempted to add them to the swear jar, but it's fine.

417
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,840
No, this movie is super important because it's super important to the character.

418
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So the film is part horror, it's part romance.

419
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It's a German expressionist movie. Now, I know you're a Fast and the Furious fan, Ben.

420
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So what I've gotten written here is...

421
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I like movies from the 20s. I like this.

422
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Right, OK. So there's a film called The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.

423
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It was Nicolas Cage's favourite film before he saw Paddington 2.

424
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Caligari's great.

425
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Right, OK. You've seen that.

426
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It's classed as like the first horror film. It's like enormous.

427
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For those of you who have no idea what German expressionism is

428
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and haven't seen The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, you can look up on the YouTube,

429
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the video for Living Dead Girl by Rob Zombie.

430
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Oh my God. That's almost just a Caligari remake.

431
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You can watch the entire film, Cabinet of Caligari, with Rob Zombie singing.

432
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That's crazy.

433
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Vocalizing over the top.

434
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Yeah, singing's a strong word.

435
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Singing's a strong word for Rob Zombie.

436
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Anyway, Man Who Laughs was a huge, huge part of how Universal laid the groundwork

437
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for their Universal Monsters catalogue of films.

438
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It was the same makeup guy, it was the same set designer.

439
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,840
OK. Like it's an important movie, right?

440
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:35,840
Yeah, yeah.

441
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,840
In Joker, the childhood damage isn't a grin that's cut onto his face,

442
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except it kind of is, because it's an involuntary laugh from childhood damage.

443
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Ooh, it is.

444
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,840
It's not German expressionism, but it is Scorsese 70s.

445
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And the romance is there, it's just with an imaginary lady. It's much darker.

446
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Oh my God.

447
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,840
Do you want to know why they reference this, some would say, obscure 1928 film, Ben?

448
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Go on.

449
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,840
Right, dear listener, just put into Google, The Man Who Laughs.

450
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I'm going to join you, bear me one sec.

451
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,840
Because Bill Finger, Bob Kane, they disagree as to what their roles are in the 1940 creation of The Joker,

452
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but they both agree that his smile was influenced by a photograph.

453
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Right.

454
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,840
Wow.

455
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,840
Influenced or traced, Ben, that is The Joker.

456
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,840
Dude, this is The Joker.

457
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,840
That's a photo of The Joker in 1928.

458
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Oh my God.

459
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,840
Also the Spanish name El Hombre Quiri.

460
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,840
I love this.

461
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,840
Joker as a visual character.

462
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:34,840
Yeah.

463
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Not original.

464
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It's from this film.

465
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There are some thumbnails where it is literally just The Joker.

466
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This is crazy.

467
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,840
So as time went on, comic book covers would go back and reference this,

468
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and they would then use it as a heavy inspiration.

469
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,840
So when Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix were making this movie,

470
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they wanted to go back to the source, source, source and be like,

471
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,840
okay, this is kind of interesting.

472
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What can we lift from here?

473
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,840
Yeah.

474
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,840
That's where they get the childhood injury.

475
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,840
That's where they get the, this isn't a thing that he's chosen to be.

476
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,840
I love this.

477
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,840
Okay.

478
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,840
It's not Expressionist in this movie.

479
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It's Scorsese 70s.

480
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It is.

481
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Character study movie.

482
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,840
It is.

483
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,840
And speaking of Scorsese,

484
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Right.

485
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,840
I've also done a little bit of early referencing on this film, Bud.

486
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All right.

487
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,840
King of Comedy.

488
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Scorsese movie.

489
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,840
Yeah, I have.

490
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,840
I remember it being the longest five hours of my life,

491
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and it's only an hour and 15 minutes long.

492
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,840
Yeah.

493
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:29,840
Hour and 50 minutes.

494
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,840
Literally feels like two weeks.

495
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,840
Also, it's Joker told from a slightly different perspective.

496
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,840
It's the exact same plot.

497
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,840
It's the exact same plot.

498
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,840
It's the exact same plot.

499
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,840
Rupert desperate to be a standup comedian,

500
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obsessed with a talk show host.

501
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It's insane.

502
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,840
Yeah.

503
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,840
But also De Niro appears in both films,

504
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,840
both King of Comedy and Joker.

505
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,840
He does, yeah.

506
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,840
De Niro appears in King of Comedy as Rupert,

507
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,840
the man who is obsessed with the talk show host,

508
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,840
and then appears in Joker as the talk show host.

509
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:00,840
Yes.

510
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,840
Both Rupert and Arthur Fleck,

511
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,840
they both get famous after their appearances on said talk shows.

512
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,840
Yep.

513
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,840
As they do.

514
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,840
Although Arthur is kind of reminiscent

515
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,840
to a bunch of different De Niro characters

516
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,840
from a bunch of different Scorsese movies.

517
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,840
He's got the weird deranged delusional antics

518
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,840
from De Niro in Taxi Driver.

519
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,840
It's so Travis Bickle.

520
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,840
It's bleeding off the screen.

521
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,840
The bit where he's got a gun in his flat

522
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,840
and he's just mooching about in a mirror.

523
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,840
And then he shoots the wall.

524
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,840
You know what I mean?

525
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,840
The unhinged anger issues like De Niro and raging bull.

526
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,840
See what I mean?

527
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:40,840
It's insane.

528
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,840
Todd Phillips is obviously inspired by Scorsese.

529
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,840
Yes, yes.

530
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,840
And it really, it seeps through in the Joker,

531
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,840
but not in a way that makes you go, oh God, not this.

532
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,840
It comes through as like a very subtle, very delicate,

533
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,840
but a very well thought out and respectable homage.

534
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,840
And I love every second of it because he takes it

535
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,840
and he does it in his own way as it,

536
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,840
but with like a little tip of the hat, like a little,

537
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,840
I see you.

538
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,840
I see you.

539
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,840
So here's an interesting thing as to why that is.

540
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,840
So Todd Phillips, who directed and co-wrote this picture,

541
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,840
is best known for the Hangover movies.

542
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,840
Yeah.

543
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,840
That was his big breakthrough.

544
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840
The first of which is actually a great film.

545
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,840
Incredible.

546
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,840
Remember being.

547
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,840
Terrible.

548
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,840
His utter shit until you rewatch it.

549
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,840
Stop swearing, Rob.

550
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,840
It's very careless of you.

551
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,840
We have a swear jar on the go.

552
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,840
That's one for me, three for Bear.

553
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840
That's about nine for you.

554
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,840
Anyway, he did a movie with Jonah Hill and Miles Teller

555
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840
before they both became separately,

556
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,840
but parallelly exposed as massively egotistical,

557
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,840
narcissistic poo-poo heads.

558
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,840
Here we go.

559
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,840
What a vocabulary jump that was.

560
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,840
It's called War Dogs.

561
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,840
I've seen it.

562
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,840
It's good, but it's not box office cat.

563
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,840
I think it's a good film.

564
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840
It's good, but like, it's not going to get bums on seats, right?

565
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840
And so at the premiere for that movie,

566
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,840
he was staring up at a superhero poster.

567
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Okay.

568
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,840
I'm almost certain looking at the timelines

569
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,840
with Suicide Squad, which makes this film even less original.

570
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,840
And this is a direct quote from Todd Phillips, and he says,

571
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840
What do people really want to see?

572
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840
The movies that I grew up loving,

573
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,840
these character studies from the 70s,

574
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,840
you couldn't get those movies made in this climate.

575
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,840
I'm staring up at this billboard and I said to myself,

576
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,840
what if you did a movie in that vein,

577
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,840
but made it about one of these characters?

578
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,840
Ooh.

579
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,840
He nailed it.

580
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,840
He's nailed it.

581
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,840
And he's gone, he's gone.

582
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,840
There's a lot of criticism at the moment of cinema generally,

583
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,840
and the thought, oh, it's all getting stupid

584
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,840
and it's all doing this.

585
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,840
Oh, superhero movies.

586
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:45,840
This guy tried.

587
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,840
You know, this guy was like, I agree with you.

588
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Let me smuggle one in to the box office

589
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,840
by stapling a clown mask on the front.

590
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,840
And then everyone went, oh, it's too similar to King of Comedy

591
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,840
and Taxi Driver and Raging Bull.

592
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,840
What do you want?

593
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,840
How can they please you?

594
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840
Let the man cook.

595
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,840
He's giving you what you say you want,

596
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,840
and then you're still not good enough?

597
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,840
What a shame.

598
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,840
Joaquin Phoenix, weirdly, had wanted to do a project like this for years.

599
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,840
He'd been asked again and again and again and again to be in the MCU

600
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,840
and had always said no.

601
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,840
There's an interview he did with Collider magazine

602
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,840
before the movie came out.

603
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,840
It had just been announced.

604
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,840
And he claims, Phoenix claims he had the idea

605
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,840
for this sort of movie a few years before Phillips.

606
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,840
So Joaquin Phoenix.

607
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,840
Yeah, it was a great idea, but I already thought of it.

608
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,840
Right.

609
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
And also, I've got this quote written down

610
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,840
and just reading it, it's so clearly the sort of conversation a man has

611
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,840
when he has no idea where the sentence is going to end.

612
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,840
Okay.

613
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,840
Joaquin Phoenix.

614
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,840
Three or four years ago, I called my agent and I said,

615
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840
why don't they take one of those characters

616
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,840
and just make a lower budget film about it?

617
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840
You know, a movie but a character study.

618
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,840
And why not take one of the villains?

619
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,840
And I thought, you can't do the Joker because, you know,

620
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,840
it's just you can't do that character.

621
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,840
It's just been done.

622
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840
So I was trying to think of other characters.

623
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,840
And he said, I'll set up a general meeting with Warner Brothers.

624
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,840
And I said, I'm not going to go.

625
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,840
I can't go to a general meeting.

626
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,840
So I forgot about it.

627
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840
Oh, okay.

628
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,840
So that's the end of the quote.

629
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,840
Cool.

630
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,840
That makes sense.

631
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,840
Then I heard about this idea and I was like, oh, that's so exciting.

632
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,840
That's the kind of experience I wanted to have with a movie based on a comic character.

633
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,840
I felt like you could get this on screen.

634
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,840
That's just that's a man used to being told exactly what to say when.

635
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,840
That is a string of conscious.

636
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,840
That's a man who knows exactly how to act when he has an entire dialogue written for him.

637
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,840
He's like, yes, I can do this.

638
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,840
When he's talking on his own, he's like, oh, my God, is this what it am I?

639
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,840
Am I a real boy?

640
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,840
I love all of that.

641
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:43,840
I love all of that.

642
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,840
And I'm super.

643
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,840
And I'm glad that they did their own thing.

644
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,840
You know, it's not it's not a DC.

645
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,840
It's not it's not part of the you know, you know, I know, I know.

646
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,840
I was hopeful about it.

647
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,840
I was worried it was going to be that.

648
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,840
Yeah, I know.

649
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,840
I know.

650
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:12,840
I was a bit nervous about it, but I was really into this because I was I was getting a bit nervy that it was part of a sort of ongoing idea to do like, oh, here's a multiverse from the DC angle, which is, you know, it's kind of happening.

651
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,840
But at the same time, I didn't want this to be ruined by it.

652
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Yeah.

653
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,840
So, baby, I have you stepped into multiverse.

654
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Oh, it's not coming off.

655
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840
That's another swear word, Rob.

656
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,840
God damn it.

657
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:35,840
The penalty for that is that listeners can send to any of our social media accounts or every movie ever UK at Gmail pictures of owls or crabs.

658
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,840
Mainly, one per listener.

659
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,840
Yeah.

660
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,840
But crabs, please.

661
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,840
There's been so many owls, man.

662
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,840
I've dropped my phone twice.

663
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Yeah, two hours.

664
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,840
I know.

665
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,840
And I dropped my phone twice.

666
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Right.

667
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,840
It was horrendous.

668
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,840
You can't afford to replace that phone.

669
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,840
We are so poor.

670
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Yeah.

671
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,840
It cost me 50 pounds and it is financially debilitating for me to replace that phone.

672
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,840
But I was nervous that this was going to get ruined by the whole the DC canonical multiverse and going on.

673
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,840
So I looked into it and it was confirmed that this is like a complete standalone.

674
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,840
There's no canon connection.

675
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:16,840
I did get a little bit excited and started thinking, well, what about if it's from like an obscure comic run that I'm not aware of or like an interesting comic line that I can really get my teeth into?

676
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Because to be honest with you, I've been desperate for a storyline from DC to be recommended to me for years now where it's like.

677
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,840
I'm like, oh, I'm going to be good.

678
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,840
This will get you into DC.

679
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,840
And every time I try and get into one, I'm like, it's fine.

680
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,840
It's fine.

681
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,840
But I thought I was hoping that I could like discover some gold there, but it's not it's not canon to any film.

682
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,840
It's not canon to the DC universe.

683
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,840
It's not canon to any comic book run as of yet.

684
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,840
But that's not to say that it won't be one day.

685
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,840
Oh, God, where is this going?

686
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,840
What have you done?

687
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,840
I'm kind of hoping that it does.

688
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,840
I'm kind of.

689
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,840
Really?

690
00:28:52,840 --> 00:29:01,840
I'm hoping that this sincerely dark, deranged and messed up individual ends up in like another Batman timeline.

691
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Oh, no.

692
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Like think about how fun it would be there.

693
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,840
Like the obvious one is it is for it to merge with the Batman because the Batman's quite like a gritty, dark, broody.

694
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Yes.

695
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,840
And it's a great film.

696
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,840
Then the movie can be seven hours long.

697
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,840
That's what I mean.

698
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Two Nirvana songs in it.

699
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Yeah.

700
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Now there's nothing in the way.

701
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Yeah, that'd be great.

702
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,840
But but just let's just let's just take a minute to go on a little thought experiment here.

703
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,840
Picture Wacky Phoenix's Joker versus Apocalypse.

704
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,840
See what I mean?

705
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,840
Fun, right?

706
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840
But picture him in like the Snyder verse.

707
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,840
So you've got Superman just absolutely belt in Wonder Woman across Central Park, right?

708
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,840
You've got Batfleck, right?

709
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,840
It was like I'm rich and huge burning people for fun.

710
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,840
I don't need body armor.

711
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,840
I have guns.

712
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
My mom's name was Martha.

713
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,840
Where am I?

714
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,840
I've got diabetes.

715
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:07,840
And then at the same time, you've got Joker just just dancing down some stairs in the distance.

716
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,840
That's kind of all he could do.

717
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,840
That's kind of all he could do.

718
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,840
That's going to be so good.

719
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840
See, I went a different route because I saw your headline.

720
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,840
What universe is this in?

721
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Yeah.

722
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,840
And I just went, I'm choosing to believe this takes place in the Friends universe.

723
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,840
That's not even a Batman universe.

724
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,840
No.

725
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,840
You just want this to be like what?

726
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,840
You just bomb Central Park at some point.

727
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,840
Yes.

728
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,840
I feel like they're probably sat in the audience somewhere.

729
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,840
And the reason no one's laughing is because there's just four obnoxious friends who are all apparently poor,

730
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,840
but have a huge loft in Manhattan and don't need a job.

731
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Yeah. Also lot of whites.

732
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Right. Exactly.

733
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Lot of whites.

734
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,840
Exactly.

735
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,840
Oh, don't.

736
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,840
I've got a whole thing about the politics on this.

737
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Yeah, same.

738
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,840
It's fine.

739
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,840
We'll get to it at some point.

740
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Never.

741
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,840
No, we won't.

742
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,840
Why not?

743
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,840
That's such a lie.

744
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,840
I just love the idea of like an episode of Friends opens and there's a knock at the door and it's Arthur Fleck covered in rain.

745
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,840
He just comes in and sits on the sofa.

746
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Yeah.

747
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,840
And they're like, we need you to leave now.

748
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,840
Yeah.

749
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,840
And you're the guy from down the hall, right?

750
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840
And he's like, I had a bad day.

751
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,840
But everyone, all the audience is like, this is so kooky.

752
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,840
Right. And then it's just brutal murder.

753
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Yeah. He just shoots Ross in the face and then starts laughing.

754
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Dude, I'm down for this.

755
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,840
I'm down for this.

756
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Good, good, good, good.

757
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:41,840
But it also led me on a bit of a rabbit hole where I was like, it gives Joker this sort of unique ability to draw influence from every other Joker that's ever existed.

758
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,840
And there's some similarities between Jokers of past that I picked up on that.

759
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,840
I didn't pick up on my first time around, but this time really looking at it was like a great, great little tidbit from top to the lips.

760
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,840
Right. So you've got Cesar Romero, first Joker from 1960s or the 1960s Batman film.

761
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,840
It's incredible. I've gone back and watched it. It's amazing.

762
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:13,840
The similarities between 1960s Batman Joker and the goofiest movie that exists and Joker of 2019, the darkest Joker movie that exists is amazing.

763
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
You've got this sort of almost childlike innocence.

764
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Right. It's the same makeup as well. It's not the same, but it's very similar.

765
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Over the top cartoonish, very 1950s, 60s birthday party clown.

766
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Juggalo makeup. He doesn't understand how magnets work.

767
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:40,840
I love that so much. But in like in all of the darkness of the Joker, Joaquin Phoenix is almost lighthearted.

768
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Almost slapstick in comparison to where we've been for a fair few years now with Batman movies.

769
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Everything's super serious, super dark, super like, I'm so goth. You know what I mean?

770
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,840
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

771
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:04,840
You've also got comparisons with Jack Nicholson's Joker. Horribly traumatic events happen to them that triggered their descent into becoming the Joker.

772
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,840
It's tenuous, but I'll give it to you.

773
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,840
It's tenuous. If you think that's tenuous, wait for my Heath Ledger connection, buddy.

774
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Pure conjecture corner. Welcome.

775
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,840
Come sit on daddy's knee. Never saying that again. Apologies everyone.

776
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Apparently my people are nonsense. You were trained to be a projectionist, right? No. You're really good at it.

777
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:35,840
What does it? Oh, I see the joke. Sorry. Go back. Do it again. I'll say yes this time. No, we're good. We're good. Good.

778
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:48,840
All right. So Heath Ledger, obviously like a mass murdering psychopath with zero empathy. Yeah. Joaquin differs from that because he exhibits similar behaviors, but not enough to be clinically diagnosed as a psychopath.

779
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Whereas Heath Ledger does. And I like this little comparison here of where you're debating whose mental illness is worse.

780
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Who has less empathy? Who does this that and the other? Because all of the personality traits from like previous jokers, bar one, Jared, are all relevant.

781
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,840
A hundred percent. And I think that's an intentional thing that the writers have done because they've gone.

782
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:23,840
Let's cherry pick. Let's amalgamate. Let's do the best thing. The fact that they didn't take anything from Jared is a blessing, but also let me put it this way.

783
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:34,840
Even if you think that Joker by Todd Phillips 2019 is a bad film, you have to love it. Yeah, you have to categorically. Jared Leto hates it.

784
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:42,840
He'd been assured by Warner Brothers. He'd been assured by Warner Brothers that his version of Joker was going to be definitive.

785
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:52,840
That what he came up with, they would commit to. Right. And then whilst they were promoting, you know, even if you're Jared Leto's agent.

786
00:34:52,840 --> 00:35:01,840
And that meeting, you're like Jared Leto firing his agent. He fired his agent. He left CAA for WME. Right.

787
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Looking to make a switch to apparently deny that it was the competing Joker movies.

788
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:14,840
But he he argued that he should they should stop the Joker project and he wasn't being treated properly as an Oscar winner.

789
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,840
Didn't he send dead rats and used condoms to his castmates? Right. Because he's not being treated properly.

790
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:28,840
Yeah. OK, buddy. I'm really glad you brought that up, actually, because it's a fascinating thing when people look at the character of the Joker.

791
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,840
Yeah. And they say, that's my guy. That's my hero. That's my this. That's my the other.

792
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:41,840
If you've got if you're the sort of person who's got a holographic lenticular poster of the Joker on your wall, I am about to upset you.

793
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:50,840
OK, I wouldn't apologize. I wouldn't. I would in no way preface this with an apology. There was no sorry there, mate.

794
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,840
OK, I miss heard that. Yeah, as you were in Saltway. Good.

795
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:03,840
Joker films tend to be a bit of a political litmus test, right? Right. Because the things that happen to this man are awful.

796
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:13,840
The things this man does is awful. Yes. Right. And you can look at the fact that he's using the blood from his broken nose at the end to paint a smile.

797
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:21,840
And it's probably the one shot that tells the story of the film. Yeah. He gets his nose bloodied again and again and again.

798
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:28,840
And then he paints, paints it into a smile. And if you look at that and you go society is a villain.

799
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:49,840
And I agree that like his his things are rational. That's a real issue. Yes. On the one hand, for Jared Leto with the rats thing, you have to as an actor come to a place of empathy with your character so that you can do those actions pretending like you think they're the right actions. Right.

800
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:56,840
You have to be able to get into your character's head and rationalize their actions so that you can be motivated correctly in your scene. Yeah.

801
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,840
No villain, no guy playing a villain thinks he's the villain. He's got to be from a position of I'm right.

802
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:11,840
I believe what I'm doing to be the right thing for the greater good. Yeah. 1000%. While the cameras are rolling. Yes. 1000%.

803
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:25,840
Jared Leto sending weird stuff to his actors and his colleagues doesn't help anything. No. It just makes everyone really uncomfortable on set, which is going to lead to a really bad working environment where people feel they can't be creative.

804
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Because you're taking up all the room. Yes. No one wants to hang out with a kid with the pockets full of mac and cheese after lunch. You know what I mean? Just just let it go man. Lunch is over.

805
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:48,840
Arthur again and again and again is looking for help. He's reaching out for help. He doesn't get any. So then when he goes wrong, there is an element of responsibility on the society that created him.

806
00:37:48,840 --> 00:38:01,840
Arguably, there is a point there. Yes. Right. Yes. But that doesn't mean that that justifies what he does. It does not in any way justify his reaction to what this is.

807
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Because it is insane. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'll agree. Right. Mental health is not your fault. If you have problems with your brain, not your fault. We both do. We both do.

808
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:22,840
And that's not our fault. But it is 1000% our responsibility to not run around and be the Joker. Right. Right. Because also he's not a hero in this.

809
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:32,840
The scene where he sort of decides that he's going to stop being a victim and become a victimizer, which is which is his big error. Right. Yes.

810
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:41,840
Is because as a woman being harassed on a train. Yes. Yes. Great scene. He does nothing. He does not. He does nothing. She has to remove herself from the situation.

811
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:51,840
And the only reason they pay attention to him is because he starts his involuntary laugh. And it's only when he gets attacked that he takes action that he takes action and retaliates.

812
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:59,840
And then he paints himself. And you even had it in the breakdown. You know, he's the instigator. He's the the reason people are having these riots. It's on every news report.

813
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:10,840
The only way that he's connected is that the clown mask becomes a way of hiding your identity when rioting. Exactly. The film presents it to you, the viewer, as he did that.

814
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:19,840
No, he didn't. We're watching the film through the lens of an unreliable narrator who's a diagnosed narcissist.

815
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:36,840
He has made it about himself and decided I have done this. It gives us a compassionate view into a villain's origin story. Right. Right. It's a tongue in cheek way of putting us on the wrong side of the law and going, isn't it sad?

816
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:49,840
Right. He dances down the stairs to a song by famed pedophile emperor Gary Glitter. Yeah. If that's not clear enough for you. Yeah. That this is morally objectionable now. Right.

817
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:59,840
It's insane that that's the song that is like it's one breath away from do you want to be in my gang? Do you know what I mean? It literally is a Gary Glitter song.

818
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:14,840
And it's like, is this okay? And I was chatting with somebody I watch it with. Is that okay? And I'm like, no, but that's the point. Yes. That's the point. You're not supposed to be rude to this guy. Yeah.

819
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:32,840
And oh man, I'm so glad you brought this up. You're right. It's a compassionate view into a villain's origin. It's brilliant because he is still a villain's origin. And it may have compassion, but it's not justifying his actions. And the fact of the matter is that he's out there, he's asking for help and he's not getting the help he receives.

820
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:48,840
He's not getting the help that he needs. Also not his fault. You know, the funding shut down and this and that. And it's very easy to stand there and point the finger at everyone else and go, well now what am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to not become a maniacal murderer with a hand me down gun from another clown?

821
00:40:48,840 --> 00:41:04,840
You know what I mean? Like it's a very specific way. If I had a penny for every time. It could be broader. You might be there saying I'm not receiving my disability living allowance and I'm struggling. Sure. You don't have to receive the clown from the clown gun.

822
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:25,840
Yeah, but it helps. It helps me make my point. You know what I mean? Juggalos wave the clown guns in the air. With all this being said and done. And I love this movie. Like I genuinely do. I think it's such a clever way to bring people down a peg.

823
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:41,840
You think you're going into sort of like, you know, all the Joker. He's always been kooky throwing bombs and you know, blowing up ships and stuff. Heath Ledger was crazy. That was a psychopathic murderer, mass murderer. That's going to be an odd one. Wrong.

824
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:53,840
Well, Heath Ledger's Joker was all the sinister and all the sociopathic that Arthur Fleck is. But you weren't ever expected to relate to him. That's the exact difference. Exactly buddy.

825
00:41:53,840 --> 00:42:05,840
You weren't pulled towards him and you couldn't smell his breath on your own. Yeah. No, that's it. That's just a gross but great way to put it. That's amazing.

826
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:19,840
Oh, just quickly. I'm going to rudely interrupt. No, it's fine. Continue. There's an issue with researching this film. Researching this film made it worse for me. Oh, okay. How come? It made it better for me.

827
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:36,840
Yeah, I started reading more quotes from Todd Phillips. Oh, okay. Now, I think Todd Phillips is a brilliant filmmaker. He made this film and I saw this film. Incredible. I think Todd Phillips is a brilliant filmmaker because he left as much of himself out of it as possible.

828
00:42:36,840 --> 00:43:02,840
Okay. We make a lot of fun of people like Andrew Tate on this podcast because we think it's inherently ridiculous because it is inherently ridiculous. When asked recently in an interview promoting Folly Adya, the sequel to this movie that's coming out in a few weeks, someone asked what Todd Phillips thought Arthur Fleck would think of like a bat fleck or, you know, like a full power Batman, not a child in a mansion garden.

829
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:20,840
Okay. Todd Phillips was quoted. Now bear with me. I think Arthur would be in awe of the alpha male that is Batman. Wow. I really do. I think Arthur would look up and appreciate it. I don't know how to feel about this if I'm honest. I agree with him because Batman and Joker do have a mutual respect for one another. Yeah, of course. Yin and yang.

830
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:39,840
Batman and Joker finds Batman endlessly entertaining and endlessly impressive and all those reasons he never kills or unmasks Bruce Wayne and all this kind of stuff. It's the alpha male bit. So then I started reading more and then went back to the sort of quotes that he was given when this film came out about why he chose to move from comedies to something as dark as this film.

831
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,840
Okay. Todd Phillips says go try be funny nowadays with this woke culture.

832
00:43:43,840 --> 00:44:12,840
Oh, I nearly swore there were getting the band. There you go. There were articles written about why comedies don't work anymore. I'll tell you why. Because all the fucking funny guys are like fuck this shit because I don't want to offend you. And as we just discussed Ben, he's a big fan of taxi driver. Yeah. Okay. He's a big fan of raging bull and I'm just sat there going. Yeah, I'm really happy that Todd Phillips exists and I'm really happy that Todd Phillips has made this film.

833
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:42,840
The political let miss test where it is where it's not left. It's not right. It's bottom versus top. Yeah. Brilliant. We can all agree on that. Yeah. Thousand percent. That's what we can agree on. I hate that you've just ruined all that for me. I didn't want to suffer alone. I didn't want to suffer alone and I just wanted it. I wanted everyone to go. When you're having an argument with somebody who's you feel is misinterpreted this film. Yeah. Literature shows that technically they are the most

834
00:44:42,840 --> 00:45:12,760
correct. If you're there going, I don't think it is a right wing film. I think it's quite liberal. No, no, you're wrong. No, you're wrong. You're a bit right. Right. You're a bit right for liking this film. Yeah. Categorically wrong. Don't bring Todd Phillips into the equation. You know. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, after that absolute bummer, I've done some research this week. My God. Okay. I know. But when I

835
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:33,360
say research, I mean, I've been reading scientific peer reviewed papers and I've been browsing the DSM five. I am all in favor of you doing research. I am less comfortable with you doing your own research. If that makes sense. Oh, if you start posting to Facebook, I've been doing my own research and is a dangerous.

836
00:45:33,360 --> 00:46:03,280
Yeah, that's the first line in my manifesto. I've been browsing. I've been perusing the DSM five. Fantastic. Which is the manual big encyclopedia of how people's brains go wrong. Yeah. It's what's used to diagnose mental illness. Right. So you have to hit a certain amount of points on this check on these checklists for neurological disorders to be ticked off and go. Yep. Diagnosed. Diagnosed.

837
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:32,280
So I was looking into it because I was like, well, the jokers obviously got summit going on. Right. Yeah. He's edgy. Yeah. You could do with a night nurse. Maybe. Or just in Asia. Just a cuddle. Just a cuddle would be nice. Rose quartz crystal. You just angered at least one Adam smart. Control or critique. Go listen to him. So I was, I was looking into this. I've got a little piece here that I've plagiarized.

838
00:46:33,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Right. From a peer review paper. So the paper goes on to explain, I'm just going to read this verbatim because it's got me and it sort of sums it up in a sentence. Right. The psychopathology Arthur exhibits is unclear. Preventing diagnosis of psychotic disorder or schizophrenia. Right. The unusual combination of symptoms suggest a complex mix of features of certain personality traits, namely, psychopathy and narcissism.

839
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:17,400
Ooh. And then in brackets, it goes on to say, Joker meets the DSM five criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. So we can take that off the list because he exhibits all signs needed for that diagnosis. So there you go. I should call her.

840
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:25,320
He also shows the symptoms of pseudo Bulbar effect due to the traumatic brain injury. No pseudo Bulbar effects.

841
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:38,560
That's after that's, you know, that's after, um, that you get the grass type star, right. And then you give it a red. And then it blows up into this pseudo Bulbasaur and then the pseudo Venusaur. Right. Fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

842
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:53,160
So after his traumatic brain injury as a child, cause we find out in the film that he was horribly abused by his mother and his boyfriend, which means he now suffers from pseudo Bulbar effect, which is where the uncontrollable laughter. Right. Okay. Um, that's fascinating.

843
00:47:53,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Yeah. So this apparent co, this apparent co-occurrence of both mental disorder and a neurological condition may be confusing for audiences, trying to understand mental illness. And then it goes on to explain, it's a very detailed paper where it starts discussing about how people who aren't necessarily looking into mental health or so clued up on mental health or some of the issues that are surrounded with, you know, mental illness. It might be a bit confusing to those people to look at this film and go, Oh my God, is this what, is this what

844
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:53,120
it is? Is this what it's like? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So if you're sat in a position where you think I'm perfectly mentally well, which is some of you, I mean, not many of you listen for obvious reasons, but for those people who've got friends who are normal, they sometimes don't necessarily know what that can look like. And I think we do our part to go, you know what? We're not all getting clown guns and wearing Juggalo makeup. Some of us have just got podcasts. Unfortunately. Some of us just don't have the right clown friends.

845
00:48:53,160 --> 00:49:15,120
There's an interesting point made there. And I like, I like this because it sort of feeds into where what I took away from this film. And the main thing that I took away from this film is, do you think that this helps or hinders the public's view on mental illness and understanding the struggles of mental illness? Because I think there's an argument to be made for both.

846
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:45,120
It's such a work of fantasy in so many regards. I think it's a little bit like saying, does Jurassic Park help or hinder the issue of GM crops? Do you know what I mean? It's like, well, kind of both, you know? Kind of. It's in there. It's in there. Yeah. It raises the awareness of what's possible, but I don't think anything, I don't think a rational person would would draw real life wisdom from this film. Got you. Just fans of the Jokers. And if they do, then they're probably

847
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,760
part of the gang. You know, they're probably one of us, gooblegabble, gooblegabble, one of us, one of us.

848
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Or they're on the other side of the fence and they're people with 3D holographic Joker posters on the wall, right?

849
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:04,760
It's that. It's that. If you watch a work of fiction and you go, oh, I'm going to make real life decisions based on what I saw in that. Get yourself a poster.

850
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:19,080
There was one really interesting fact that I did find out that there is a real life British neuro criminologist, Adrian Raine, who was so impressed by how accurate this film's depiction of the psychology of a murderer was.

851
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:29,440
That in an interview with Vanity Fair, he described it as a great educational tool and he stated that he was planning to present film clips during his classes, teaching his students.

852
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,320
Oh, wow.

853
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:40,240
Not only did Todd Phillips nail it on, on like visual representations of what these conditions can look like, it's to a point and it's so well done.

854
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:46,600
It's going to be used as educational clips in actual neuro criminology lessons.

855
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,280
Oh my God.

856
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,280
Taught by a real life neuro criminologist. That is a nightmare word.

857
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Yeah.

858
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,120
Why does it? God damn.

859
00:50:54,120 --> 00:51:01,520
Neuro, I nearly said nightmare criminologist. Neuro criminologist.

860
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,200
I hate it.

861
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:02,800
I hate it.

862
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:09,200
You know what you shouldn't hate is that this is the first ever R rated movie to cross the one billion mark.

863
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:14,080
So they turned that 55 to 70 million dollars.

864
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,240
Into a billy?

865
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,280
Into part of the billy club.

866
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Yeah.

867
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Oh my God.

868
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,240
The three comma club.

869
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,320
Very first R rated movie since the invention of the rating.

870
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,080
That's incredible.

871
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,080
Ever cross that threshold.

872
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:25,760
That's incredible.

873
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,400
You said you were incredible earlier and I don't know if I trust it.

874
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,560
How are you really?

875
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Oh, okay.

876
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,080
I'm great.

877
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,120
Yeah.

878
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Do I trust this?

879
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,720
But shy at the same time.

880
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Okay.

881
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:39,800
Now I trust it.

882
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:40,360
Yeah. Great.

883
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,520
Cool.

884
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,760
So I'm in a good one, but I'm in an odd one.

885
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,120
Right.

886
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,440
So a fair few months ago now I went through like break up.

887
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,440
It was very tough and I've been trying to make good life choices and I've been trying to make like better life decisions.

888
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,400
But there's been this weird, weird fear.

889
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Right.

890
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Surrounding everything that I do of how far off rock bottom are you really?

891
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Right.

892
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,400
How far have you gotten really?

893
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,200
Right.

894
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,360
And today I feel like I found out.

895
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Okay.

896
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,000
How?

897
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,920
Today's payday.

898
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,240
I was underpaid a fair whack of what I was expecting.

899
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,120
So this month is I'm already broke.

900
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:17,480
You know what I mean?

901
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Paid out and I'm brassic.

902
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,520
Which is fine.

903
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,640
I haven't really got much planned that full of horrors coming up.

904
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,040
So we're going to go hang out at that.

905
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,920
Come join us.

906
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,960
If you're going, let us know.

907
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:35,680
But it's fine because now it feels like, okay, there's a weird fire been lit in my belly where I'm like, is this what I want to be doing?

908
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:36,920
And the answer is no.

909
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,440
Right.

910
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,840
The answer is obviously what we're doing right here right now.

911
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,480
This is what we want to be doing.

912
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,600
This is what I want to be doing.

913
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,360
There is a fire in me that I'm like, this is where I'm at.

914
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,160
This is what I need to be focusing on this one.

915
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,720
My energy needs to be going.

916
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,080
And today just reaffirm that and sort of push me in the right direction.

917
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,320
I was like, I'm grateful for that.

918
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Right.

919
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,920
So it's a bad thing, but it's a great thing at the same time.

920
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Shortly after getting paid, much less than I was expecting.

921
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,920
Realizing you'd been completely screwed over yet.

922
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,480
Realizing I'm just as poor as I was the day before payday.

923
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Yep.

924
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,520
I went to the boardroom gaming cafes to go see the lovely, lovely people there.

925
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,400
Incredible.

926
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,640
And bumped into someone who I wasn't expecting to see.

927
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,800
Right.

928
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,760
Take it back a month ago and it would have been like heart palpitations and weird panic.

929
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,360
It would have been like, oh, my day's ruined now.

930
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,160
But because I was already having like a horrible day.

931
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,680
It was fine. Nice.

932
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:29,920
Just I just realized that I was a little bit more healed than I thought I was.

933
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:30,360
Right.

934
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,080
And that was the silver lining in that situation.

935
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,040
So I've come away from today, it being a bad day, but I've come away with more

936
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,080
motivation, a clearer vision of what I want to be doing and where I need to be.

937
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,160
The steps I can take to do that.

938
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,400
And I've also taken a moment to truly

939
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,440
appreciate how far I've come in the last few months.

940
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,880
And it's a really weird sense of pride.

941
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,680
Yeah, good.

942
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,080
I'm not jealous at all because I have none of that.

943
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,960
And I don't I genuinely don't.

944
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,560
I was going to do a joke and be like, oh, no.

945
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,920
I immediately went back to feeling guilty and I was like, oh, now I'm at rock bottom.

946
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,280
I can't even make the joke, buddy.

947
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,200
Like, it's difficult to see internally.

948
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,280
Like you don't have a we've got a mirror by the front door.

949
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,440
And I check in the morning, I've got a raging acne spot on my nose or something

950
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,800
before I go and prepare food for people.

951
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,880
But we don't have an internal one of those.

952
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,480
It's just it's impossible.

953
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,200
Yeah.

954
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,320
But I see you and I see you improving and I see you getting better.

955
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:31,920
Thanks, man.

956
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,480
I was going to make a joke, be like, oh, yeah, I'm so jealous because I have none of that.

957
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,360
But like,

958
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,240
bro, you're kidding.

959
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,040
You're the biggest source of inspiration for me.

960
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:40,680
It's insane.

961
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,000
I want you to change that immediately.

962
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,800
Absolutely not immediately.

963
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:45,800
What are you doing?

964
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,400
I've watched you go from strength to strength to strength, and it can be the smallest steps

965
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:56,120
possible, but you do it with such fucking ferocity and such determination that I'm like,

966
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,480
I need that spine.

967
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:05,880
That's where I'm because you are so certain on like whether you realize it or not.

968
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Whether it's a mistake or not.

969
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,560
Right. You will go. This might help.

970
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,840
And then you do it with your full being.

971
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,440
And if it's not the right thing, you admit it with your full being.

972
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:23,200
And I'm like, I just don't get how someone can just walk that tall and proud into a

973
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:27,240
solid brick wall and go, ah, you know, I mean, I did just walk into that.

974
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,560
I might have broke my nose.

975
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,920
This is where I'm going.

976
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,040
Bye bye.

977
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,920
Paint a smile with it.

978
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Also, six.

979
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
Smash it.

980
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,120
Sorry.

981
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,680
We're way above six, by the way.

982
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,480
What are you rating? What are you rating?

983
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,160
Todd Phillips, 2019 The Joker.

984
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,000
Nine out of 10.

985
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Yeah, I'm going to go with I think I'm going to go with 10 out of 10.

986
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,520
OK, yeah.

987
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,360
I think for me, this is a perfect movie because anything I would change about it

988
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,880
would make it worse. Same.

989
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,800
And there's that smile at the end where he takes Frank Sinatra's.

990
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,440
Some people get their kicks stomping on a dream, but this world's going to turn

991
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:05,680
either way. There's a book I read called The Stranger by a French guy, Albert Camus.

992
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,760
And in the story of The Stranger, he shoots a man and he goes on trial and he's asked

993
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,200
to feel sorry about it, and he doesn't.

994
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,280
He never does.

995
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,000
And the book is him having these meetings with this priest trying to sort of get

996
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,520
through the morality of it all.

997
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,320
Yeah.

998
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,200
And he never does.

999
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,200
And spoiler warning, he ends up sentenced to death.

1000
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,880
And as he's looking up at the stars on his last night, he kind of looking at the stars

1001
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,480
and he's confident in the knowledge.

1002
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,600
I looked up and beheld the benign indifference of the universe.

1003
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,120
It doesn't care.

1004
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,000
Wow.

1005
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Right.

1006
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,080
I killed a guy.

1007
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,640
The stars don't care.

1008
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,360
I'm going to die tomorrow.

1009
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,520
They don't care.

1010
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,440
They're benignly indifferent to anything that happens here.

1011
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,600
And I think Arthur Fleck

1012
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:54,280
realizes that halfway through this movie and goes, what they're doing to me doesn't

1013
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,720
matter. I've been shown time and time again that there are no real consequences for

1014
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,200
what they're doing to me.

1015
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:02,480
Nobody cares.

1016
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,160
So why don't I start doing it to them and then at least I'll be enjoying my life.

1017
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,520
Yeah, dude.

1018
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,520
Wow.

1019
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,360
And to do that Frank Sinatra song where he giggles to himself.

1020
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Some people get their kicks stomping on a dream and then he laughs and she goes,

1021
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:19,320
oh, what's funny?

1022
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,600
He goes, oh, you wouldn't get it.

1023
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,080
And then this blue world keeps spinning around.

1024
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,200
Damn, man.

1025
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,720
Yeah, there's so much to this film.

1026
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,000
And I think that's why it's a 10 for me.

1027
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,040
It has to be.

1028
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,360
I see you've written something in the game and then we've got quite a few comment

1029
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,840
corners, so it's going to be a long episode unless we hurry up.

1030
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,040
Yeah, I do have a game, bud.

1031
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,920
Right.

1032
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,480
It's a quiz.

1033
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Oh, OK. I'm up for this.

1034
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,080
Yeah, it's called

1035
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,000
Which celebrity has this mental disorder?

1036
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,920
Absolutely not. We're not doing that.

1037
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,320
We're never doing that.

1038
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,200
Nope.

1039
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:53,920
Just one.

1040
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,040
All right. It's not that bad.

1041
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,440
No, no, no. It's not that bad.

1042
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,360
It's not that bad. Right.

1043
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Which hugely popular comedian slash actor who played Fire Marshal Bill on In Living

1044
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,640
Colour was diagnosed with ADHD at a very young age?

1045
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,280
George Carlin, Jim Carrey, Robin Williams or Jerry Seinfeld?

1046
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,440
Not doing it. Not doing it.

1047
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,960
Comment corner is really good this week.

1048
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Which famous NASA astronaut, the second one to walk on the moon, spoiler,

1049
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,080
Rub Rub, suffers from bipolar disorder?

1050
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,320
No, not doing it.

1051
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,160
Right. This is important, Ben.

1052
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,200
This is important.

1053
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,560
Joe and James.

1054
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,400
Zero out of 10.

1055
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,520
You don't know this. You don't know this.

1056
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,200
OK, a couple of weeks back, a couple of months back, really,

1057
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,000
somebody got in touch with a really meaningful message where they were

1058
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,600
talking about how they weren't doing too well and that they, you know, they've

1059
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,400
thought about doing a podcast and you and I basically bullied them and were like,

1060
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,200
oh, the sports show, sports movie show.

1061
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,880
Champions of cinema. That's what it's called.

1062
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,400
They said we will get started.

1063
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,000
I did a couple of Zoom calls and talked about the basic stuff that tripped us up

1064
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,680
for ages. Did you?

1065
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:56,840
Yeah, I did.

1066
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,800
OK, it's mentoring me.

1067
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,200
Oh, check you out.

1068
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,760
I make it sound nicer than it was.

1069
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Constant source of inspiration.

1070
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,040
You do this. You do this stuff in the shadows and then just reveal it months later.

1071
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,040
Like, yes, a few months ago, I was Mother Teresa.

1072
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,680
Far from it. It was mostly me complaining about you.

1073
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,080
Oh, that's fine. I take it back immediately.

1074
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,480
In the sea. In the sea.

1075
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,360
Now they got in touch and they have said that they wanted to reach out and say

1076
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:29,440
that they are eight episodes published, one in edit and one due to be recorded on Thursday.

1077
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,120
They are still loving the process, learning a lot from each and every episode

1078
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,320
and getting a lot out of the experience.

1079
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,640
I love this. I love this.

1080
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,400
They are champions of cinema.

1081
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,880
I've listened to a few episodes.

1082
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,280
They have no right to be as good as they are, given how short a time they've been doing it.

1083
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,560
OK, they've had a little grace period now.

1084
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,520
They've had a run up, which is, I think, what we kind of said would be nice for them to have.

1085
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,000
Now's the time to turn on the tap of love and say to each and every one of our listeners,

1086
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,680
go check out Champions of Cinema podcast. They are incredible.

1087
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,760
We also got a lovely email from Helen Homer.

1088
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:07,560
We did. Now, Helen Homer works at the boardroom gaming cafe and she is...

1089
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,960
It's almost criminal how good her cheesecakes are.

1090
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,240
She's incredible. She has listened to every single episode that we've done ever.

1091
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,520
And she did it in like two months.

1092
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,200
It's an incredible feat.

1093
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,920
I've been there. I watched all of Game of Thrones in like two weeks.

1094
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,800
That's insane. That's insane.

1095
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,880
That's so much cocaine energy. It's unreal.

1096
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,280
I was in a depressive episode at the time, so I just lived on the sofa.

1097
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,760
But yes, well done, Helen. Thank you.

1098
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:38,680
So she's emailed us in and she has some points to make, which are all incredible.

1099
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,560
I'm going to read this email that she sent in. It's quite long, so bear with me.

1100
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:46,320
Dear Ben and Rob, I started listening to the podcast back in July with the aliens episode.

1101
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:51,800
I came for the ego boost about the cheesecake comments.

1102
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,640
And stayed for the fabulously entertaining conversation,

1103
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,080
wonderfully open mental health discussion, intelligent and interesting analysis,

1104
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,440
and amazingly heartwarming friendship.

1105
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,520
That is the sweetest sentence that I've ever read out loud for this show.

1106
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,520
Thank you so much.

1107
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,400
After cherry picking some of my favorite titles,

1108
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,400
I decided I needed to go back to the Spotify beginning

1109
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:10,600
because we deleted a bunch of it.

1110
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,080
Oh, God, yeah, but even the Spotify beginning is rough.

1111
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:18,480
We've learned in real time and I listened back to the early ones and I cringe so hard.

1112
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,360
I can't listen to elves anymore.

1113
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,960
So I needed to go back to the Spotify beginning and listen to all the episodes.

1114
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,880
I've just finished and I've absolutely loved it.

1115
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,560
Feel like I need a badge now.

1116
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,680
After consuming all episodes, I have the following takeaways.

1117
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,760
One, I'm appalled that Rob hasn't seen Home Alone, Short Circuit or Matilda.

1118
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,520
Thank you, Helen. I am also.

1119
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,560
It's because I'm classy. I don't watch children's films.

1120
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,400
Matilda is the best superhero that's ever existed.

1121
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,280
Short Circuits, amazing. What's wrong with you?

1122
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,640
Home Alone, I'll agree, but that's fine.

1123
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,600
I don't believe you actually grew up in the 90s.

1124
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,360
You definitely need to do an 80s childhood classic season.

1125
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,200
This includes the 90s as the best of the 80s happened in the early 90s.

1126
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,440
And that's so unbelievably true.

1127
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,040
Yeah, after the grilled cheese series and exploitation cinema,

1128
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:08,000
following the much earlier psychopathy testing, I am worried about Ben.

1129
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,160
Yeah, we all are. We all are.

1130
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,240
Join the queue.

1131
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,560
Yeah, same, same. I'm with you.

1132
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,240
With extensive, careful listening,

1133
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,800
I have established that Ben's catchphrase is, it literally blew my tits off.

1134
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,960
And Rob's is, you can't ironically fuck a donkey.

1135
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,800
You can't. You're doing it.

1136
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,480
Yeah. Are you doing it with irony or not?

1137
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,960
Yeah, it will blow your tits off.

1138
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,040
I really enjoy listening to discussions of films I would struggle to watch.

1139
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,120
Horror, I'm not a fan.

1140
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,960
You guys make almost, with a little asterisk, anything fun.

1141
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,280
And then in brackets, the asterisk is zone of interest excluded.

1142
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,560
Helen, thank you so, so much for getting in touch.

1143
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,200
I would like to do a slight tweak going forward.

1144
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,880
We talk a lot about how we're doing on here.

1145
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,040
Yeah, we've got a lot of lovely messages this week.

1146
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,240
We've got Helen's, we've got ones from Champions of Cinema.

1147
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,320
Go listen to them.

1148
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,640
We also got Bruce Bruce, Tony Berry, Ashraf Issa.

1149
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,160
Now, we talk a lot about how we're doing on here,

1150
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,240
but I got a few messages this week

1151
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:11,120
that were telling us how other people, listeners were doing.

1152
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,080
I think it would be really useful for us to share some more of that.

1153
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,920
So if you could email us, dear listener,

1154
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,440
a little snapshot of your worries or your troubles or your whimsies

1155
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,920
to everymovieeveruk at gmail.com and just make sure, you know,

1156
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,080
send us anything, we'll listen,

1157
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,480
but just if you're happy for it to be read out on the show, let us know.

1158
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,920
If you don't let us know, we won't read it out.

1159
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,160
And we'll be your agony uncles.

1160
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:39,920
I think the overriding thing that I see from every message that we get from people

1161
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,600
is that we are kind of all trying our best together.

1162
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,040
And when none of us are really particularly proud of what our best is,

1163
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:52,920
I think it would be useful for us to all sort of come together and go,

1164
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,760
oh, hang about.

1165
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,040
We're not doing this alone.

1166
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,560
You know, just send us send us send us your woes

1167
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,000
and we'll just we'll fix all your problems for you.

1168
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,440
Yeah, we we are we're going to be semi-professional agony uncles going forward.

1169
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,320
Right. Uncle Ben and Uncle Rob.

1170
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,320
Send us your spicy rice.

1171
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,320
Oh, yes.

1172
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,480
Uncle Ben's spicy rice corner.

1173
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,200
Yes. Yes, buddy.

1174
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,520
Send us the recipes.

1175
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,320
I also we are so desperately over time.

1176
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,720
I'm looking at the counter and just,

1177
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,120
but I cannot leave this out, Ben.

1178
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,880
We are starting a potentially long running collaboration.

1179
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,160
OK, who is a man called Jake?

1180
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,160
You can find him on Instagram as Jake Lee Army 182.

1181
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:45,160
And he does webcomics that are so desperately funny that I'm furious.

1182
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,160
I love this guy.

1183
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,960
Guess who's doing a collaboration post this week?

1184
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,480
He's doing something with us.

1185
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,520
We're doing something with him.

1186
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,520
Yeah. So go go check out.

1187
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,560
Why? He's so much funnier.

1188
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,400
So go check out Jake Lee Army 182.

1189
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,240
Please do.

1190
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,240
On Instagram.

1191
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,480
Incredible.

1192
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,200
And he's done a little Joker,

1193
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,200
a little Joker commemorative webcomic this week.

1194
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,120
Stop it.

1195
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,040
I need to. All right.

1196
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:09,880
I'm going to go have a look.

1197
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,320
Yeah, do it.

1198
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:11,640
All right.

1199
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,480
That is far more than all the time we have.

1200
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:15,360
It is.

1201
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,800
We genuinely wholeheartedly appreciate you hanging out with us.

1202
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:21,440
We appreciate it.

1203
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,600
It's a Monday to start your week.

1204
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,760
Your time is precious and valuable and you've spent it with us.

1205
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,800
And we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

1206
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,240
We really, really do.

1207
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,120
We love you.

1208
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:36,320
Ben is now going to reward you for that time spent by wrapping up the thoughts,

1209
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,880
themes and feelings of this week's movie into a little Monday motivational pep talk.

1210
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:45,680
Whereas me being the cynical one will just do what society always does and tell you to

1211
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,240
consume.

1212
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,040
If you're feeling downtrodden, if people are letting you down,

1213
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,120
if the system is letting you down, it's not your fault.

1214
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,400
It's Thomas Wayne's fault.

1215
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,640
That rich, rich, rich bellend and tiny Bruce.

1216
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,920
Why does he get the tree house full of torches?

1217
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:04,600
Huh?

1218
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:05,800
No, no, no, no, no.

1219
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,320
Pull out.

1220
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,360
You pull out your red nose.

1221
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,200
Go knock on the door.

1222
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,000
Hey, buddy, I might be your baby.

1223
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,360
You're going to get punched by a butler, but don't worry.

1224
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,520
You're going to catch him in the bathroom.

1225
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,240
And you know what you can do then get punched in the face by daddy money bags

1226
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,240
because you know why?

1227
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,880
Because crazy mommy slay Thomas Wayne saying, hey, I need your help.

1228
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,520
This isn't what we need.

1229
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,160
This is what we need.

1230
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,200
This is what we need.

1231
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,840
Penny Fleck still...

1232
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,120
Still kind of would though.

1233
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,600
Also...

1234
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,960
Because he'll...

1235
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,400
And when he does...

1236
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,320
Juggalo.

1237
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,720
Ben, I cut like the last 30 seconds off for sure.

1238
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,120
That's life.

1239
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:55,680
That's what all the people say.