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It's today the day that we start the swear jar.

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We need to start the swear jar today bud.

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So does it have to be today though?

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It has to be today.

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It's the start of a new series.

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We've done, we've got a rebrand on the way.

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I mean, I'm quite tired.

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It's very hot for some reason.

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And I feel like a swear jar right now is going to be a poor decision.

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Maybe not a poor decision, just it's going to make it a lot harder.

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I'm going to, I'm going to read the penalties now.

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If we swear in this episode five times, listeners can send a picture of an owl or a crab on

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socials with nothing but a thank you in response.

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Amazing.

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If there are 10 swears, then we will read a 30 second script written by our discord

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to be read out on Insta live with no context.

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That's dangerous, but okay.

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25 swears is a 20 quid donation to charity, 10 or each.

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We're both very poor.

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That will cripple us.

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200 swears, we do the B movie and shut up the podcast.

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Start a true crime podcast where you say whatever you like.

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If you want to get out your system now, can we, can we start it from the proper intro

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where it's like, hello?

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So if we start from there, mint, okay.

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Great.

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Hello everyone.

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And welcome to the every movie of a podcast.

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My name is Ben Groves.

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My name is Rob Macfarlane.

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Welcome to the show and movie podcast slash mental health check-in for two broken brained

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best friends talking around their problems, but not about their problems.

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Never.

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Whilst laughing at movies.

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So in the spirit of that, Ben, given that this is a thinly veiled mental health check-in

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before we get to what we're doing very briefly, how are you doing, bud?

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I'm doing all right, man.

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I'm doing pretty good.

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Uh, I watched Ebola syndrome today and that's ruined me mentally for a little while at least.

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Um, I mean it's called Ebola syndrome, Ben.

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What are you expecting?

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A rom-com?

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Fun.

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I mean, it's not far off.

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Tammy and the T-Rex is technically a rom-com.

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So you know what I mean?

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I mean, so technically it's a switch up, but we don't talk about that.

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We've got a whole episode about it.

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It's called the switch and I have it on DVD right here.

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New purchase.

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Oh God, you really do.

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That's disturbing.

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How are you buddy?

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Yeah, I didn't get the job at the Safari.

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Oh man, I'm sorry.

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I, well, if I'm honest, I'm kind of relieved.

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It would be a pay cut and whilst it would be a pay cut to video animals and make little

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social media reels about them.

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It would mean, uh, I'd be doing it without savings.

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I wasn't quite ready.

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I'm relieved.

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I'm relieved.

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Well, look, I'm proud of you either way because you took, uh, you, you left your comfort zone.

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You took a stab at something.

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It didn't work out this time, but you did it.

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You took a swing, man.

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So I'm proud of you for that.

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If you guys have any openings at their businesses and would like a new colleague, uh, get in

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touch every movie ever UK at gmail.com and, uh, let me know what you're offering and I'll

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consider working with you.

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How's that?

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I mean, yeah, same.

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If you have two positions go in at your business and, uh, no, I, I got, I did step in.

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I did stay.

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What are we doing this week, bud?

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This week, buddy, we are getting into David Fincher.

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We are covering every David Fincher movie ever.

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And it starts right now.

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No, no, it doesn't.

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It started.

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No, it starts a few weeks ago when we covered every alien franchise movie ever.

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And we took a deep dive into a struggle to get his debut feature made with alien three.

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Regular listeners will know the absolute mud fight that that was.

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If you want the full story and haven't heard that, we thoroughly recommend you go and check

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out episode two to one.

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It's a damn fine episode and we're proud as hell of it, but not as proud as we're going

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to be of this series.

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We've got so much to cover in this first episode, including how Fincher survived the critical

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and commercial thrashing of his debut feature alien three, how seven kind of owes this entire

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existence to a clerical error.

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How Fincher flows like water and endures like rock.

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Young grasshopper.

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That's weirdly Zen.

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Uh, the intense detail and intenser are a hardship of making this movie and why this

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movie is even more relevant today than it was on its release.

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I mean, look, we've covered every Christopher Nolan film ever.

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We have that did all right for us to be fair.

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That was a, that was a popular series.

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So we thought, Hey, maybe a year later we should try that again.

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We've, we've had a year of trying other stuff.

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That's been nowhere near as popular.

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I don't know, man.

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Chaplin was a good show.

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How dare you, how dare you mention the graveyard, the graveyard of attention that the Chaplin

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series brought upon our podcast.

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We, I looked at our demographic on Spotify and we have 0.9% of our listeners are over

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the age of 60.

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And I genuinely wholeheartedly believe that they are here because of Chaplin.

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I genuinely thought that we had listeners that might come with us, uh, for some films

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that they hadn't considered watching before, but no, no, no, no, no, they're all turncoats.

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They all just went, no, not for me, not for me, buddy.

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We had a couple of comments.

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It's not got sound.

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To be fair.

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To be fair.

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Well, we thought, okay, who else is renowned?

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David Fincher, arguably one of the most renowned directors that there are.

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So we thought it was time to dive in.

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So where's, where Fincher at?

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Where Fincher at?

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What that Fincher do?

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So after the massive creative letdown of walking off, being fired, there's no getting to details.

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He doesn't.

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Not succeeding with Alien 3.

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He goes back to the mines, music videos and commercials.

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So we have a video for Bad Girl by Madonna.

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He made the video for Love is Strong by the Rolling Stones.

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Bunch of stuff from Nike and Levi's.

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The Nike commercials are actually quite relevant.

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We might do, we should do a video on, I'm not going to commit.

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Maybe we do a video on Fincher's commercials and music videos.

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I'd really like that.

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Imagine how easy that video would be to make.

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Hey, do you want to watch this Levi advert?

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What do you think of it?

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Publish.

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Publish.

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Get it out.

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He also tried to make a Blade movie.

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What?

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What do you mean?

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He, who is of the DC universe, developed a draft with David Fincher before Seven for

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the Blade movie.

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He was maybe developing Seven.

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David Escoe said, I remember going to our producer's office.

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There was this giant conference table.

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This is relevant, very relevant to later.

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Fincher laid out 40 to 50 books of photography and art with post-it notes inside them and

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said, this is the movie.

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That's, okay.

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That's bold.

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That's bold.

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Right, right, right, right, right.

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So after some time in the short form minds, he gets the script for Seven.

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And that's a whole thing that we're going to be getting into later.

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But the headline is, is that we're in 1995.

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OJ Simpson is on trial for the murder of his wife.

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Oklahoma has just had the city bombing.

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The Bosnian war is responsible for horrific war crimes.

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Genuinely upsetting.

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And worst of all, Logan Paul is born.

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David Fincher is given $30 million to make this film and it made, we'll stick around

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for how much it made.

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Cause we'll be getting into that later.

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You tease.

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When did you see this film for the first time, Ben?

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I found this film in uni for the first time.

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It was, I was in my, let's say elder emo punk phase.

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You had more colours in your hair than the current rainbow flag.

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It was edgy.

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I had like a sweep at the back for some reason.

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And it was long.

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It was a nice analogue for what you were going to be doing later on this podcast in that

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it was every haircut ever just on the same head.

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If anything, it just showed that my commitment issues have been for a long, long time.

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If one thing stuck with me other than my trauma, it's my commitment issues.

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So I found it in uni and it kind of helped ease me into the darker side of cinema.

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It sparked a little bit of a love for a darker cinema because I wasn't a huge crime thriller

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fan before this film.

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I was more sort of like, well, I mean, you knew me back then.

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I was more goofy gore.

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You know what I mean?

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That kind of stuff.

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I'd have recommended a film and you go, how many Cullens has it got in it?

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And I'd go, it's got none.

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You go, ah, shit.

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Kill count.

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And if it's less than 10, what are we doing?

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Like, why are we wasting time?

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Oh, what?

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You want to watch rock and roll high school by the Ramones?

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Yeah, that's great.

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Because you're into the Ramones.

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Boring.

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And they were like, you're not going to believe this.

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Six.

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And I was like, that's almost enough.

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That's almost enough.

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I think it was George that recommended this because I remember him saying that you guys

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had seen it at some point and he recommended it to me.

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It was either George or Nick.

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That's a fascinating bit of insight for only me.

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No, that's what it was for.

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Like, if it's not you, it was George.

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I had so little friends.

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I knew five people in uni.

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I loved all of you, but honestly, the rest of you is in the bin.

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I mean, I could see why.

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This is one of my all time favourite films.

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So I've loved this since I used to watch it again and again and again as a quite young

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My entire aesthetic was like this and the crow.

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So every band I was in, I was like, oh, we should have scratchy writing and like photos

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taped and you still ended up in a bowler hat.

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It's amazing.

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It's amazing to me.

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Of course.

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Sure.

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I really got into the Dresden Dolls around about the uni time and I was like, oh, Cabaret.

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You've got me into Dresden Dolls and I will never forgive you for it because they broke

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up immediately and I'm like, well, what was the point?

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Yeah.

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Well, what was the point?

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They've got a comeback album coming out this year.

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Have they?

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Yes.

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I am fizzing with excitement.

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Oh my God.

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So that was the point.

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Thank you, buddy.

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So my mission this episode is to convince you that according to your formula, this is

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a perfect film.

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Okay.

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Do you care to share your formula?

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I will.

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The way that I define a perfect film is that the filmmakers are to a degree emulating what

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they're living at that moment.

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So the Ghostbusters is a great example.

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It's a group of friends struggling to get a film made.

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They manage to do it and it's a constant battle from every angle.

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You see that in the film with the Ghostbusters fighting every which way.

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Yes.

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It's what makes it, it's what really helps me envelop it.

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You like a little bit of a parallel between what's happening in the plot and what's happening

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behind the scenes.

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And I, I know you love that.

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It gets me hard, man.

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You like that the story you've been told has been lived by the people telling the story.

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Whereas for me, a perfect film is when the amount you change the film by is exactly how

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much that film gets worse by.

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And my mission this week, Ben, is to prove to you that by your definition or my definition,

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this is a perfect film.

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Okay.

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Shall we break it down?

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Let's get into it.

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All the people who haven't seen this in a while.

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Play the jingle.

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Right, slightly different this week.

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I have tried to make it as clear and as easy to understand as possible whilst also adding

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a little bit of what we're going to be talking about later.

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It's like a little overture for the episode.

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Okay.

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I've written this week's.

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Do you want to kick us off?

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I would love to, bud.

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Seven is set in a bleak rain soaked city, which symbolizes the moral decay and hopelessness

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that permeates the film.

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Detective Somerset, played by Morgan Freeman, a jaded and weary veteran on the verge of

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retirement is partnered with a hotheaded and idealistic Detective Mills, the ever gorgeous

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Brad Pitt, who has just transferred into the city.

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The oppressive atmosphere of the unnamed city creates a sense of inescapable darkness, underscoring

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the film's bleak outlook on human nature.

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The detectives are drawn into a series of grotesque murders, each designed to reflect

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one of the seven deadly sins.

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Gluttony, greed, sloth, lust, pride, envy, and wrath.

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John Doe, played by Kevin Spacey, we'll have to talk about him later, the enigmatic

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and deeply disturbed actor and also killer, stages these murders as a form of moral judgment

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against his victims, who he believes exemplifies society's tolerance of sin.

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The killings are meticulously planned and shockingly brutal, forcing Somerset and Mills

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to confront the depravity of both their city and humanity.

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The central relationship between Somerset and Mills is one of contrast.

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Somerset, who has spent years in the harsh environment, has become cynical and introspective,

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often questioning whether justice or morality can still exist in a world so corrupted.

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Mills, on the other hand, is brash and idealistic, eager to make a difference, but naive about

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the depths of evil he is about to encounter.

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The revolving dynamic with Somerset's wisdom clashing with Mills' impulsiveness becomes

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a core emotional threat as the investigation grows ever more disturbing.

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John Doe is not just a killer, but a self-appointed judge, convinced he is delivering divine punishment.

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His crimes are meant to expose the flaws he sees in human society, holding up a mirror

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to the detectives as much as to the victims.

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When he finally surrenders to the police, the tension shifts to psychological warfare.

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Doe reveals his elaborate plan, making Mills and Somerset unwilling participants in his

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final, horrifying act.

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In the shocking final act, John Doe reveals that he himself embodies the sin of envy as

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he covets Mills' seemingly perfect life.

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He delivers the severed head of Mills' wife, Tracy, played by Gwyneth Paltrow, as a final

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blow, provoking Mills into embodying wrath by killing him.

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This moment underscores the film's nihilistic themes as Mills succumbs to the very sin Doe

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intended him to represent.

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The climax is a crushing indictment of the fragility of human morality and the ease with

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which people can be manipulated into their own downfall.

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The film ends on a note of despair, with Somerset reflecting on the idea that despite everything,

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the world is a fine place and worth fighting for, though we can only half believe it.

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Wonderful.

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Thank you.

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There was no spoiler warning there, I feel like there should have been.

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That's the entire film.

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Yeah, but Ben, this film came out 30 years ago.

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Yeah, get over it.

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Alright, yeah, sound.

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Right?

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Come on.

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If you've clicked on a podcast about a film that came out 30 years ago and then you hear

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a spoiler, that's not on us.

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I'm sorry, it's not.

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With Romulus and with the Crow remake, we spoil a tag of shit out of those.

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Come on.

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Quick, most important question for me this week, Ben.

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Do you feel that you are Somerset or you are Mills?

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This is relevant to a grand point I have later.

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Okay.

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So, you know, no pressure.

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I think I relate to both of them on different levels for different reasons, but I reckon

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Somerset.

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You reckon you're Somerset?

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I reckon I'm Somerset.

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I feel like I've lived here for a while.

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I'm kind of used to it.

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You know, when one of my friends or when someone sort of like is having a rough time, I'm like,

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welcome bud, welcome.

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Thanks for transferring in.

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You know what I mean?

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Right, okay, yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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So, in the film, which is set in a big city, which one of them has lived in for maybe 15

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years and the other one's only just got to, and it's probably going to leave pretty immediately.

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You think you're the one that's lived there for 15 years?

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Not physically.

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Right, okay.

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Spiritually.

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Right, okay.

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And you think the one that visits libraries for fun, that's you.

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All right, switch out the library for cinemas.

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Yeah, all right, yeah, all right.

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Now you point it out.

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I feel like I don't want it to be too strong an indictment of your read on the matter.

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Right, right, right.

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I feel like maybe if one of us is the passionate, hot headed, slightly more like-

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Pretty.

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Younger, pretty, broken one.

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I think we'd have a section of our listeners that would say I'm practically black.

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah, okay.

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Plus Mills loves dogs.

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I love dogs.

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You know what I mean?

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All right, yeah, yeah.

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I'm Mills.

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I'm Mills.

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It's fine.

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I'm fine with it.

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I've just moved to the city and I hate it here.

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Okay, that just needs to be in the record for later.

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Thank you.

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Did you know that David Fincher almost didn't direct this?

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Like the way that he signed on for this film is mental, right?

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I've read some bits about this, but it sounds like you've read more.

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So-

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Oh yeah, I'm still very much in my research everything within an inch of its life because

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I'm desperate to impress Rob.

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And you always do.

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Yeah, it's my weird hyper focus at the moment, man.

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It takes up all of my time.

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Perfect.

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Keeps you out of trouble.

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Yeah, it does.

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So Fincher almost didn't direct this.

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It was a Jeremiah Chechik, the director of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, The

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Avengers, the 1998 version with Uma Thurman, Ralph Fiennes and Sean Connery, not the Avengers

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Assemble.

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I would come home from school and on channel four would be The Avengers, which was a British

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show.

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Yeah.

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But that was my The Avengers.

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And then obviously Marvel came along and shat all over my childhood.

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Good that it took until Avengers to get there, man.

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I mean, they punched my childhood in the face with Fantastic Four.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Oh, don't, don't.

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So anyway, Jeremiah Chechik.

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He was attached to direct this, right?

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But he was pushing for a rewrite of the ending.

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So yeah, cause apparently the ending was too brutal.

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It was going to be deemed as like, no, no, no, it's far too extreme.

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It's too bleak.

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We can't end the film on that.

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So he was pushing for different endings.

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There was a few that were suggested.

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In the box, there was a, there was one of Mill's dogs heads in the box.

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay.

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I've got a bit about that.

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Excellent.

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Okay.

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So the dogs head in the box.

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I read that bit.

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Good stuff.

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In the box was a TV monitor showing Paltrow's character, Tracy, who had been kidnapped,

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but was alive and technically rescuable, I guess.

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But the one that Chechik was working towards, like actively pushing towards was a scene

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that plays out in a burnt out church with the seven deadly sins represented by paintings.

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And there was zero heads and zero boxes.

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Yeah.

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See what I love about the idea of that ending is taking one of the most iconic moments in

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cinema and just going, maybe we don't have that.

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No, it's mental.

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It's mental.

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But thankfully Fincher was sent the wrong script.

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It's so good.

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It's so, it's that, but I knew, and it is so good.

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The idea that some points, some poor intern will have just been looking, looking at the

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script on their desk going, so if this one's here, which one did I just put in the post?

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Oh man, I'm going to get so fired if boss finds out.

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I just didn't, didn't tell anyone until the meeting with Fincher took place.

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And he was like, Fincher's like, yeah, man, I'll take the job.

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So the, the ending with the head in the box, right.

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And they're like, no, no.

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How do you know about that?

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What?

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Yeah.

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Hold on a sec.

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Where's, where's Derek the intern?

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Buddy, where are you?

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And it's just him moonwalking out of the office going, I don't know what you mean.

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Cause I didn't mess this up.

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Yes.

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So we said he was sent the wrong, wrong draft of the script.

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The studio had forced a rewrite, uh, the brutal ending.

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Yeah.

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Fincher sent the original draft and signed on immediately based on the original draft,

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which was incredible.

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Uh, Andrew Kevin Walker, the writer of seven said in an interview with the Hollywood reporter,

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this is a direct quote.

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So if he sounds red, it is Fincher expressed some interest, but in expressing his interest

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to them, the producers, he mentioned that there was a head in the box and they were

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like, Oh, no, no, no.

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We've sent you the wrong draft.

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And then they sent him the vastly rewritten Jeremiah Chechik draft, which had a completely

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different ending.

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And Fincher said, no, I wouldn't be interested in doing that.

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Which I love so much.

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I love so much.

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I know for a fact, I mean, it's ridiculous that once again, David Fincher is fighting

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with the studio.

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It's ridiculous that he's got, he's been given alien three.

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They basically said, you're here as a hired gun and any of your ideas are going to be

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shot down.

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We want you to make this ridiculous film.

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He makes it.

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Yeah.

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He fights, he ends up back in the mines doing short form videos.

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Yeah.

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Commercials finally gets another script.

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Brilliant.

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And then is immediately back there going, Oh, the studio want to do this.

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They want to do that.

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But the dog head, right?

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Yeah.

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One of the executives at new line who said that if one of Brad Pitt's dogs had had their

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head cut off and put in the box, maybe that would be different.

510
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,760
They had another one.

511
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:25,760
They're all ridiculous.

512
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,760
They had another one where it's not really Tracy's head.

513
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,760
Doe has killed a woman who looks exactly like Tracy and put her head in the box.

514
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,360
Which then if that happens, you immediately go, well, that's, that just wouldn't happen.

515
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:40,360
Yeah, of course.

516
00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:41,360
Like you can't.

517
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:48,600
The only one that I did like, which I think would have worked, although it's a much different

518
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,920
emotional note is that they were going to have Morgan Freeman's character, detective

519
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:59,080
Somerset shoot John Doe instead of Mills.

520
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,560
Oh, so it would have messed up here.

521
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,600
A, it would have saved Mills career.

522
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,240
B, it would have messed up the whole seven deadly sins murder spree.

523
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,240
Exactly.

524
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,240
Oh, that's kind of dope.

525
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,240
Right.

526
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,240
Yeah.

527
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,240
It's incredible.

528
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,800
And it works on a writing perspective.

529
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,560
It's consistent with the character.

530
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,080
Detective Somerset played by Morgan Freeman is seven days away from retirement.

531
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,000
So this is his last day on the force.

532
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,560
It would have made narrative and sort of emotional sense.

533
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:32,440
It would have just been the right ending if you wanted a happy ending in a weird way.

534
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,440
Yeah.

535
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,520
And I don't think this film works as well.

536
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,520
If it doesn't have the downer ending.

537
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,760
I don't think this film works at all without the horrifically, horrifically bleak ending.

538
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,760
Yes, exactly.

539
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,560
Like without that, this film is fine.

540
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,560
Right.

541
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,200
And it's probably like a solid six out of 10.

542
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,040
You know what I mean?

543
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,560
He was fortunate in the fact that Fincher was not the only one who was sent the wrong script.

544
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,560
Okay.

545
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,920
Brad Pitt had also been sent the script.

546
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,520
Yes, I love this intern.

547
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,520
Yes.

548
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:09,680
And then the other thing is that Morgan Freeman signed on after Fincher and Brad Pitt.

549
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:15,520
And they hilariously, they called Gene Hackman, who was also considered for the role of Somerset.

550
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,800
And they're like, look, do you want to do this?

551
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,000
Because we need an older actor who's going to got a career behind him.

552
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,640
He's going to bring gravitas to the role.

553
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,640
He's like, yeah, very flattered.

554
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,640
Script sounds fantastic.

555
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480
It's got a lot of night shoots, though.

556
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,000
So I just.

557
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000
That's fair.

558
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000
It's not up for it.

559
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000
That's fair.

560
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,320
I mean, I'm not going to be a director famously in bed by six p.m.

561
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,320
You know what I mean?

562
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,080
Anything if I'm not at the craft table at four thirty for my dinner.

563
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,220
Not signing on me.

564
00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:41,220
Not signing on.

565
00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:46,240
Which to the degree that when David Fincher chatted to Morgan Freeman and was like, would

566
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,520
you want to do this?

567
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,520
Yeah.

568
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,200
Because it has got a lot of night shoots.

569
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:56,120
Morgan Freeman was like, and?

570
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:57,440
I love that.

571
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,240
They had they had test screenings with all these different endings.

572
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,280
And they weren't horribly.

573
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,280
Oh, I can imagine horribly.

574
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,920
Brad Pitt mentions he said the movie ends, they flick on the lights and I look at people

575
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,600
and they just kind of slowly get up from their seats and no one's talking.

576
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,560
And then they all just kind of disappear from the screen.

577
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:22,920
And I remember just looking at Fincher and going, oh, my God, what the fuck did we do?

578
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,920
Now two things that doesn't count for the swear jar, because that was Brad Pitt swearing,

579
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,920
not me.

580
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,520
That's the second one that you said in quote form, by the way.

581
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,320
He quoted Morgan Freeman a moment ago.

582
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,240
I mean, I imagine again, that's Morgan Freeman.

583
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,240
Yeah.

584
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Morgan Freeman.

585
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,240
That's right.

586
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,240
You know, I mean, take it up with his sweater.

587
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,160
The reason the test screenings did so terribly is not because of the ending being awful.

588
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,160
The ending is incredible.

589
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,800
OK, when they sent out the cards for the test screenings, it was would you like to see a

590
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:54,520
new film starring Morgan Freeman brackets driving Miss Daisy and Brad Pitt brackets

591
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,000
Legends of the Fall.

592
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Jesus Christ.

593
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,760
So the demographic they got were people who were just like they probably see two films

594
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,760
a year.

595
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,760
They were parents.

596
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,760
Oh, they were parents.

597
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,760
They were their kids.

598
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,760
They were like, come on, I'm striving Miss Daisy.

599
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,760
You know this.

600
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,680
To the point where one of the people leaving the test screening said the people that made

601
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,520
this film should be shot.

602
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Amazing.

603
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,420
That's incredible.

604
00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:22,400
Which is incredible because it kind of proves the morality of John Doe.

605
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,960
Oh, this is disgusting.

606
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,920
I can't possibly agree with this.

607
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,040
I think they should do what the killer would do.

608
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,040
Yes.

609
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Well, that's the point of the film.

610
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040
What are you objecting to then?

611
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,040
You've got the film.

612
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
Congrats.

613
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,240
It did exactly what it was meant to do.

614
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,680
Are you annoyed because the villain dies?

615
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Are you annoyed because you got the film?

616
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,280
Right.

617
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,280
What?

618
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,680
I don't understand that.

619
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,200
You clearly agree with the villain.

620
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,080
So what do you find so upsetting?

621
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,280
Whichever way you side, it works out perfectly.

622
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,080
Whichever way you side.

623
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Oh my God.

624
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,560
Seven's kind of genius.

625
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,560
It doesn't.

626
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,520
It takes for literally everyone.

627
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,020
Fan of the killer.

628
00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:03,020
Good for you.

629
00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:04,020
Pulls it off.

630
00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:05,280
Fan of the detectives.

631
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,280
Good for you.

632
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Pulls it off.

633
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Oh my God.

634
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Yo, Andrew Kevin Walker might be a literal genius.

635
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,080
Jesus Christ.

636
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Okay.

637
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,720
I thought that and then I looked at some other stuff he wrote and I was like, maybe not.

638
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760
He wrote The Killer, which is incredible.

639
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,760
I love The Killer.

640
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,760
No one likes The Killer.

641
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,760
We'll get The Killer.

642
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960
We are covering every David Fincher in the world.

643
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,960
I enjoy it.

644
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040
It's one of his, I think it's one of his most clever scripts.

645
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,040
I have a theory as to why you're going to have to wait a few weeks to find out when

646
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,040
we cover The Killer.

647
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,080
But talking about being sent the run scripts and everything.

648
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,000
Not only did Fincher go with the original script, with the original ending and keep

649
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,080
the original screenwriter around, he fought hard to keep them all buddy.

650
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,080
Like he was fighting tooth and nail to get them going, but he wasn't alone.

651
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Fincher had the support of both of the leads, Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman.

652
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,960
They were both supporting him.

653
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,640
We had Kevin Spacey batting for him.

654
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,640
Not sure how valid that is anymore.

655
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,520
I wouldn't want to brag about that one.

656
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,640
He had the writing team behind him.

657
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,440
He had the cast and crew behind him, but also, and this is my favorite thing that exists

658
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,400
in all of David Fincher law, right?

659
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:15,840
He had new line president, Michael DeLuca on his side to keep the original everything.

660
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,580
So whenever Fincher was causing trouble with his ideas or had like the lower level executives

661
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:25,520
stressing about the film, all of his leads would step in to have his back.

662
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,040
The ideas for changing the ending that were coming down the pipeline from the slightly

663
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,600
higher ups, but we're all met with a resounding no thank you from everyone involved in the

664
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,540
film, like making the film.

665
00:26:35,540 --> 00:26:40,920
They also had the president of New Line Cinema go looking down on them going, nah mate, not

666
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,920
happening buddy.

667
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,160
Which not only is it a true testament to how much everyone wholeheartedly believed in this

668
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,440
film, but I think I understand Nolan now, right?

669
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,480
When Nolan saw Alien 3 and was like, I think I've seen the next Rick Liscart, this guy,

670
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,480
this guy's amazing.

671
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,400
I'm a big fan of David Fincher.

672
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,400
Yeah.

673
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,400
Right.

674
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,480
So Fincher to make this film had to run a pincer maneuver on the mid to lower level

675
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,720
execs, right?

676
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,480
So he did the lower pincer with all the cast and crew and he did the higher pincer with

677
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,480
the president of New Line Cinema, right?

678
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,600
So that the execs could go nowhere.

679
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,320
So you're saying David Fincher used a technique from a film that would come out 20 years in

680
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,320
the future?

681
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Yes, he did.

682
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,440
And it was Nolan's fault because Nolan's pincer maneuver to make Tenet influence Seven started,

683
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,600
we don't know when, because that guy went back in time at some point and started this

684
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,080
whole pincer maneuver.

685
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,080
It all bleeds together.

686
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Right.

687
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,440
But I'm staring at the red string in the newspapers right now, bud, and it's all making sense.

688
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,440
All right?

689
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Okay.

690
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,440
Okay.

691
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,960
So you could, you could take that from it.

692
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:53,680
I would argue there's a different lesson to be taught by the making of this movie.

693
00:27:53,680 --> 00:28:01,440
I think Fincher is very famous for his headstrong commitment to his creative vision, right?

694
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Yeah.

695
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,960
This is what I'm doing.

696
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960
If somebody says, well, no, no, no, you know, try doing it this way.

697
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,600
He goes, no, I'm sticking to it.

698
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,000
The number of Fincher projects that are announced and then dropped quietly because he just,

699
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,560
he tries it, doesn't work out and he moves on.

700
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,680
Too many people get involved, starts too many cooks in the kitchen.

701
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,680
He's like, no, I'm out.

702
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,680
This isn't for me.

703
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,680
Sound.

704
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,560
So he's famously very, very stick to his guns.

705
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,360
But I think what this film demonstrates is his amazing ability to adapt.

706
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:34,520
My question for you, Ben, what does the rain in this film represent?

707
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,040
I think, okay, this didn't come up in my research.

708
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,280
I've done a lot of research into Andrew Kevin Walker and David Fincher, but I mean, because

709
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,080
it's permanently raining in this film.

710
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,080
It's raining in every scene.

711
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,400
I think it's, is it not just sort of like a subtle undertone of how bleak the film's

712
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,960
messages like the theme of the film is very bleak.

713
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,160
The outlook on human nature is very bleak.

714
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,160
It's very dreary.

715
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,240
It's very droll.

716
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,880
I think it's just to mirror that, but visually.

717
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,480
So it really cements it into your, into your psyche.

718
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,520
And that would be, that would be a really fair thing to say.

719
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Thank you.

720
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480
However, David Fincher says, oh, here we go.

721
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,840
Some bad stuff happened.

722
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,800
It was El Nino and there was an awful lot of rain.

723
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,040
So we ended up just having to make an executive decision.

724
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,800
And I know that there are dorks out there with their YouTube channels going, why does

725
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,800
it have to rain?

726
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:33,240
It's because we had to put together five days of continuity shooting during El Nino.

727
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
You set me up for that so well.

728
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,520
And I hate you for it.

729
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,520
That was perfect.

730
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,520
But that was amazing.

731
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,160
The second thing is that during the foot chase where Brad Pitt playing detective Mills is

732
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:49,080
chasing John Doe and they, they go across, uh, they, they foot chase across some traffic.

733
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Great scene.

734
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,080
I love that chase by the way.

735
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
I love the fact that he's checking every corner.

736
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,480
He's terrified.

737
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,480
He's not just running.

738
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
He's like, oh, he's, he's panicking, man.

739
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,920
He is panicking.

740
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,160
The fear in his eyes is like, he's wired.

741
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,160
You know what I mean?

742
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,160
He's right too.

743
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,800
He should have maybe been a little bit more cautious.

744
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,680
He should have been as cautious as the character.

745
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Okay.

746
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Because whilst climbing over cars, his feet slipped.

747
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,520
He put his hand down and put his arm through the windshield of a car.

748
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,520
Wow.

749
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,520
Okay.

750
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,560
The cut was deep enough to expose bone and tendons.

751
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,800
So the cast that the character's arm is in.

752
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Oh my God.

753
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Yeah.

754
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Mills is arms in a cast for like half the film.

755
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,400
That's Brad Pitt's actual cast.

756
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,080
And because the film was shot out of sequence, they have to hide it through so many shots.

757
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,200
Oh my God.

758
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:42,120
When they're sat in offices chatting, Brad does a lot with his left hand, sat on a chair.

759
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,120
He picks up things with his left hand.

760
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Like the phone.

761
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,400
My wife wants to talk to you when he gets into his new office.

762
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,400
Yeah.

763
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,400
Oh my God.

764
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Is that because he's got a cast on?

765
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Yes.

766
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Shut the front door.

767
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,400
Right.

768
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400
It's so hard not to swear.

769
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,400
I hate this.

770
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,400
I hate this.

771
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,400
Yeah.

772
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,400
We're trying.

773
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,400
We're trying.

774
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,400
So wholeheartedly.

775
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,760
I hate that Fincher will fight for the things that he knows he can get.

776
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Right.

777
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Okay.

778
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,960
But the things he can't control, he will adapt to and make themes.

779
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:14,200
The rain does absolutely work as a representation of the bleakness in the city.

780
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Thanks.

781
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,240
But it wasn't put in there because of that.

782
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,240
No.

783
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,240
It was made into that.

784
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Right.

785
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Okay.

786
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Mills is sort of cavalier sitting around doing everything with one hand comes across as laziness

787
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,640
and comes across as kind of pigheadedness.

788
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,640
You know?

789
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,600
There's like a laid back casual confidence.

790
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,760
Like he knows what he's doing.

791
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,480
He doesn't need to get all worked up about it.

792
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,440
It's adapting and turning those things into part of the film.

793
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Right.

794
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Right.

795
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400
And I think it demonstrates Fincher's adaptability.

796
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,960
Although he's famous for not being adaptable, I think he is.

797
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,560
I think he just is when he has to be.

798
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Well, that's, I mean, that is incredible.

799
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:55,800
I've got a little bit here from Andrew Kevin Walker about what it was like to meet Fincher.

800
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,240
And like when he was signing onto the film, they sat down for a quick meeting, you know,

801
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,240
let's figure out the details, how we're going to do it, what direction we're going in.

802
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,240
And Andrew Kevin Walker went to meet Fincher shortly after he'd signed on to do the original

803
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,240
script.

804
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:16,160
Due to his experience with directors like Chechik, however, he took like a notepad ready

805
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280
to take down all of the rewrite notes and okay, so I need to go work on this.

806
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,280
I need to work on this.

807
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Fincher immediately sat down and was like, put that away.

808
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Put that away.

809
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,560
And Walker describes Fincher as one of the rare people who was respectful of every piece

810
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,960
of material that comes across his purview.

811
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Oh, that's nice.

812
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,080
Right?

813
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,080
So he told him to put the book away.

814
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,080
There's no rewrites.

815
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,400
We're, we're, we're figuring this out together.

816
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,640
It's me and you, buddy.

817
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Let's go.

818
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,640
You, you, you're the writer.

819
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,960
Fill me in, which is an incredible way to go about writing a film or the incredible

820
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,960
way to go about making a film.

821
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Yes, incredible.

822
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Walker then went on to describe his experience with write in and rewrite in seven by saying

823
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,440
as a writer, when you come on a project and you don't see eye to eye with the director,

824
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,980
you have to make a choice whether you're going to stick around and rewrite stuff or perhaps

825
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,520
feel like you are ruining your own material.

826
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,680
That said, had I told Jeremiah Chechik during the process of rewriting seven, you know what?

827
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,880
I don't really agree with getting rid of this stuff and changing the ending and setting

828
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,340
it a kind of burnt out church and getting rid of the head in the box, et cetera.

829
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:17,600
So I quit.

830
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,760
If I had done that, I wouldn't have been around for the happenstance luck, fate of Fincher

831
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,560
receiving the wrong script.

832
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,920
He might have gotten my script, but it would have been at least one, maybe several writers

833
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,240
down the line and he probably would have proceeded with one of those other writers instead.

834
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,680
Ooh, which if you think about it, it's a double edge sword because he's half saying, yeah,

835
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880
suck it up, grit your teeth, get on with it because you don't know what's around the corner.

836
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,880
Yeah.

837
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,880
But then he's also saying be all right with compromising your work because David Fincher

838
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
might be sitting on a wrong script somewhere.

839
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,600
You know what I mean?

840
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,240
He kind of won the lottery.

841
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,720
He's like, he's like a lottery winner being so like, yeah, man, you just got to be in

842
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,720
it to win it.

843
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,720
It's like, yeah, of course you do.

844
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,960
This is the number one reason I hate listening to career advice from successful people.

845
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,960
It's the worst.

846
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,500
Because they never, they never sit down and just go, I got incredibly lucky.

847
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:12,720
It's always all you've got to do is believe in yourself and keep doing what you're doing

848
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,160
and it will magically happen.

849
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,160
I'm like, no, fuck.

850
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Buddy.

851
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,440
No, buddy.

852
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,720
It magically happened for you because you were in the right place at the right time

853
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,520
with the right resources to capitalize on that opportunity.

854
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,600
We're not asking, we're not asking how you won the lottery.

855
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,280
We're asking how do we earn money when we don't have the right to buy a lottery ticket?

856
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280
Exactly.

857
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,520
It's literally, it's those guys on social media and stuff being so like, yeah, so I'm

858
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,520
an entrepreneur.

859
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120
I wake up at 4 a.m. and I do three hours of yoga in 20 minutes.

860
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,840
I start three businesses and I sell two of them by 11 and then it's a quick pyramid scream

861
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,380
just along to the stock markets.

862
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:54,960
Make a quick five mil and I'm back in bed by 3 p.m.

863
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Where are my hookers and champagne?

864
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,000
I made my first mil with a small five mil loan from my dad.

865
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
That's exactly it.

866
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

867
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,600
The quickest way to make a million is to just borrow five million.

868
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Yeah, great, mate.

869
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,400
And then spend four of it on yourself.

870
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,400
Great.

871
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,400
Good job, bud.

872
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,400
Impressive, mate.

873
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,400
Impressive.

874
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,400
Oh, speaking of impressive.

875
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Go on.

876
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,400
I've seen a lot of books in this movie.

877
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,400
There are.

878
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,960
And I know I'm Somerset, you're Mills.

879
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Oh, yeah.

880
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,960
You weren't keeping your eye on the books.

881
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,080
Dude, when Mills buys all the weird little shortcut books, I was like, smart, smart,

882
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,080
buddy.

883
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Yeah, exactly.

884
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,080
Because you're Mills.

885
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,640
You get the same amount done.

886
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,160
You just do it a different way.

887
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,160
Yeah.

888
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,360
You take a 400 year old book that's 300 pages long, you condense it into a modernized version

889
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,460
that's 11 pages long with a colouring sheet at the end.

890
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:39,720
That makes more sense to me.

891
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,720
Of course it does.

892
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,640
And what's the most impressive book in this?

893
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,320
I don't know.

894
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,920
What are the most impressive books?

895
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Chauncey.

896
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,920
There's Dante's Peak.

897
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,920
There's.

898
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,720
I love that so far.

899
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:54,720
Yeah.

900
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,720
You're zero out of two.

901
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,720
Yeah, I'm trying.

902
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:57,720
I'm trying.

903
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:58,720
OK, cool.

904
00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,720
I paid no attention to the books.

905
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,720
There's.

906
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:01,720
Oh, come on.

907
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,720
There's one guy who writes some pretty impressive books in this.

908
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,800
What do you mean?

909
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,840
I've just named all two.

910
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,840
The notebooks.

911
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,840
Oh, oh, that's a.

912
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,840
I hate.

913
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,840
Right.

914
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,080
A, you've taken away my ability to swear so I can't tell you to go, you know, I mean,

915
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,080
right.

916
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Yeah.

917
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,080
I also.

918
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,080
Right.

919
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,240
Now I'm getting set up for traps because you saw like this dyslexic Beland.

920
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,520
Wait, is Beland a swear word?

921
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,520
It is now.

922
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Is it?

923
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,520
So here is my grandpa.

924
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,720
He's one of my grand points, right?

925
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:39,400
I think John Doe in this movie is is a right is a real parallel for Fincher's process.

926
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,400
OK.

927
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,520
Fincher was so meticulous with the scene featuring John Doe's notebooks.

928
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,240
He had his crew fill hundreds of notebooks with detailed handwritten ramblings because

929
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,240
he believed it would.

930
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:54,000
Oh, I think I saw something about this.

931
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,680
Yeah, it was two months and 2000 notebooks that were handwritten by fifteen thousand

932
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,680
dollars.

933
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Oh, my God.

934
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,640
By designers Clive Pearcy and John Sable.

935
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,200
They would go to old stationery shops and go to old warehouses, they would buy scotch

936
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,240
tape sellotape that was 50 years old.

937
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,240
Oh, like yellowing old.

938
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,220
They baked the books that each book was individually baked.

940
00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:26,040
There was a photographer specifically put on making the photos that John Doe took.

941
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:32,060
So she used commercial cameras that were available in thrift shops and she took them like an

942
00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:36,160
old land camera, there was a black and white instant Polaroid.

943
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,160
OK.

944
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,820
And she would damage the lenses and develop the shots by like intentionally allowing light

945
00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:46,960
leaks in because she wanted to make the sense of the fact that the crime scene photos were

946
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
professional and the exposure was right.

947
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,600
That's right.

948
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Yeah, his work because he's not a professional photographer.

949
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,360
That is mind blowing.

950
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,360
Right.

951
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
That is mind blowing that they went into that much detail.

952
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,640
An insane amount of detail and that that kind of amount of detail shot with the eye of Darius

953
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Conjie.

954
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,920
Now, Darius Conjie is a very famous cinematographer and he's done all sorts of stuff, probably

955
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,320
more responsible for the look of this film than anyone.

956
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,320
OK.

957
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,360
We've covered one of his films already.

958
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,780
He came up with Jean-Pierre Junet, who directed Amélie, City of Lost Children, Delica Tassin.

959
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:25,780
Alien Resurrection.

960
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:29,760
Alien Resurrection, which was shot by Darius Conjie.

961
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Think of the look of Alien Resurrection.

962
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,400
Looks amazing.

963
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400
And the look of this film.

964
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,400
Oh, definitely.

965
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400
There's a lot of crossover.

966
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,400
Yeah.

967
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:44,320
My favourite bit of Seven is when Glenn Danzig is playing basketball in the rain.

968
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,320
So I'd miss remembered.

969
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,360
We we did an interview recently, which we're going to tell you more about in a minute.

970
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,720
But yeah, I'd miss remembered him as doing Seven with Venture and then going on to shoot

971
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:54,720
Alien Resurrection.

972
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:55,720
I'll show you the other way around.

973
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,920
If I list some of the films that this man has made.

974
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,920
OK.

975
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:00,920
And just think of the beauty of them.

976
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,920
The Beach.

977
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Oh, great film.

978
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Panic Room.

979
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,920
Oh, is that Jodie Foster?

980
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920
That's Jodie Foster and David Fincher.

981
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,920
Oh yeah, of course.

982
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,920
Okja.

983
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Okja.

984
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,200
About the Korean movie.

985
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Shot by Darius Conjie.

986
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,520
That's a beautiful film and it's a hilarious insight into what Koreans think Americans

987
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,520
are.

988
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Amur, which is the old the old people with dementia, the love story between two.

989
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,600
Oh, I can never watch that one again.

990
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,600
Yeah.

991
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Uncut Gems.

992
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Great film.

993
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Right.

994
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,600
Oh my God.

995
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,600
And and I hate this.

996
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,280
I cannot tell you how much I hate this.

997
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,900
The video for Boiler by Limp Bizkit.

998
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:41,900
Hold on one sec.

999
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:42,900
Hold on one sec.

1000
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:48,600
I swear to God, Ben, I hate Limp Bizkit so much, but that video is beautiful.

1001
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,440
It's too beautiful for Bizkit, mate.

1002
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,440
No, it's not.

1003
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,440
I don't know exactly which one you're about.

1004
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,680
I just need to I just need to double check real quick.

1005
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,040
It's the one where the orb comes out of the woman's head.

1006
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,280
Oh, I love this one.

1007
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Even the thumbnail for it is like a gorgeous shot of Fred Durst.

1008
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Oh my God.

1009
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,840
Right.

1010
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,560
Oh, I'm so into this.

1011
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,000
I'm back in it for the nookie.

1012
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
You know, I mean, oh, disgusting.

1013
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
I hate that band.

1014
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,720
I know I love the guitarist.

1015
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,800
What I hate about Limp Bizkit is they're an incredible band ruined by a vocalist who turned

1016
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,080
up for the wrong audition.

1017
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,240
If you talk about someone being sent the wrong script, Fred Durst has no idea what the band

1018
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,240
are doing.

1019
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:26,240
But that's the best thing about Limp Bizkit.

1020
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,180
It's the best thing about Limp Bizkit because it's like it's like a very technically incredibly

1021
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:33,720
well done song.

1022
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,880
And then just him going, I did it for the nookie.

1023
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,880
I did it for the nookie.

1024
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,920
I might break your fucking face tonight.

1025
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,920
That was a quote.

1026
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,920
That's a quote.

1027
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,920
Fred Durst swearing.

1028
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Not me.

1029
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,920
That was a quote.

1030
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,920
Doesn't count.

1031
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Oh, I got it out my system.

1032
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,920
You're wrong, by the way.

1033
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,320
I wrong footed you.

1034
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,400
The notebooks are not the most impressive books.

1035
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,000
You know when Somerset goes to the library and reads Chaucer and Dante's Peak and stuff.

1036
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,800
How was I 0 for 2 on them, by the way?

1037
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800
Am I saying them wrong?

1038
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,960
Because you said Chaucer, not Chaucer.

1039
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440
And Dante is the name of the author.

1040
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Dante's Peak is the name of a film starring Pierce Brosnan.

1041
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Oh, it is.

1042
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Yeah, it is.

1043
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,600
Yeah.

1044
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Yeah, I found it on video.

1045
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,600
I've got it on video.

1046
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,600
It's a great film.

1047
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,600
It's a wicked film.

1048
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,840
It's a really good film.

1049
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,840
It's next to me.

1050
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,840
That's why I'm saying Dante's Peak.

1051
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,240
I'm so tired.

1052
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:31,360
You've seen the library that Somerset goes to before.

1053
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,840
Because it's not a library.

1054
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,680
It's a bank and it's the bank where Cameron Diaz meets Jim Carrey in The Mask.

1055
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Actually, yes.

1056
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,000
Yeah, it's an abandoned bank.

1057
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Amazing.

1058
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,960
There are all sorts of films at that time and it's the bank that Jim Carrey works at

1059
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,960
in The Mask.

1060
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,960
That's incredible.

1061
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,720
All of the books on the wall aren't real.

1062
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:55,720
Stop.

1063
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:56,720
They're fiberglass props.

1064
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,360
Surely that's got to be more expensive than just buying books, right?

1065
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,720
No, weirdly no, because they're always shown in long shot.

1066
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:05,720
Okay.

1067
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:12,040
So when he walks into the big balconyed foyer, that's the bank from The Mask.

1068
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,240
And then they just shot him in some closeups with some actual books.

1069
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,240
That's insane.

1070
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,240
That's actually mindblownly cool.

1071
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,620
I thought you were going to be like, it's the bank from The Dark Knight, where the Joker

1072
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:25,640
does the initial scene.

1073
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,640
I mean, it could well be.

1074
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120
I've not looked at other films that are shot there, but there's a whole load.

1075
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Okay.

1076
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,840
If anything, I should have done that, but I didn't.

1077
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,520
I'd tell you to go do something with yourself, but I can't because swear jar.

1078
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Yeah, swear jar.

1079
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,520
I hate this swear jar, by the way.

1080
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,520
I hate it.

1081
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Do you, do you know what my favorite thing about Seven is?

1082
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,520
And this is, this is coming from, you're almost right.

1083
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,520
You're almost right.

1084
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Of course I am.

1085
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,760
No, you saved yourself so well.

1086
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,760
You saved yourself so well.

1087
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,760
No, no, no.

1088
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,760
You're almost right.

1089
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,760
Um, right.

1090
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:05,320
I think David Fincher is second to only one director and not by a lot when it comes to

1091
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,880
implied horror.

1092
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Oh, so this, this film has.

1093
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Less violence than some soap opera episodes.

1094
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Oh God.

1095
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,520
There is less gore.

1096
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,520
It does.

1097
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,520
There's less on screen killings.

1098
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,520
There's less gore.

1099
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,320
There's less violence than in some soap opera episodes.

1100
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,260
Now it is all left up to the imagination.

1101
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:26,720
You see that you see the fallout of the crimes.

1102
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,000
You don't see the crimes, right?

1103
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000
So it's all implied.

1104
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000
It's all in your imagination.

1105
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,440
Now, if you think back to Texas chainsaw massacre, Toby Hooper, absolute masterclass in implied

1106
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,600
horror, so much of that is off screen or in the distance or implied that you're just left

1107
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,040
with your own thoughts and it is thousand times worse than actually seeing it on screen.

1108
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Because if it's done poorly or if something looks slightly off, you're out of the moment.

1109
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,240
If it's in your head, you ain't getting out of it.

1110
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,240
It's there.

1111
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,240
Do you know what I mean?

1112
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,840
It's why, it's why every vintage creature feature works until act three.

1113
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,840
Absolutely.

1114
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,680
I swear to, I hate the swear jar.

1115
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,680
I hate the swear jar.

1116
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,680
I can't finish my sentence.

1117
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,360
How, I promise to prove you wrong.

1118
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Good sir.

1119
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,840
At some point in the future.

1120
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,840
Right.

1121
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
My, allow me to expand on that point.

1122
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,040
Okay.

1123
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,680
Not every, but there are a great number of vintage creature features that work really

1124
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,200
well and as well as they did at the time for acts one and two.

1125
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,200
Right.

1126
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Because they don't show the creature and your imagination does it.

1127
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:33,280
And then you see the beach ball painted with fangs on it and you go, huh?

1128
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,280
I disagree wholeheartedly.

1129
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,720
I think with seven and Texas chainsaw massacre, it works because it's murders and I don't

1130
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,480
actively want to see a murder.

1131
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Right.

1132
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Yeah.

1133
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,360
But when it comes to like them or you know, something like this, a giant ants or the incredible

1134
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640
shrinking man when the cat is like the monster, it's just a house cat.

1135
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Right.

1136
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,040
When you finally see the ants in them, I was buzzing my absolute tits off.

1137
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,040
Tits isn't a swear word.

1138
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Fuck you.

1139
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
I can't edit that out.

1140
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,040
Don't leave it in.

1141
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,040
Leave it in.

1142
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,040
I can't edit it out.

1143
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,040
I'll live by my mistakes.

1144
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,040
I was buzzing my tits off because I was like, I cannot wait to see these giant ants.

1145
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,960
And then when I did see them and I was like, oh my God, that's so goofy.

1146
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,960
Right.

1147
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,960
It made it better.

1148
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,960
They're not terrifying.

1149
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Whereas at the time, terrifying.

1150
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,440
And I guess that's my point is that implied horror will always remain terrifying.

1151
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,440
It's timeless.

1152
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,440
It's timeless.

1153
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,440
And I agree with you.

1154
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,440
I agree with you.

1155
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,440
I think he's an absolute masterclass.

1156
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:33,600
Why I think this is a perfect film for you is it is a film about how far you can go.

1157
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:42,360
It's about how far are you willing to go to fight apathy, to fight a sort of bizarre system

1158
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,220
that's been set up, a bizarre institution.

1159
00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:49,960
There is a huge parallel in this film between the detectives and the killer.

1160
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,120
They're both bending the rules.

1161
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Both the detectives do things that are not by the book.

1162
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,000
So there's a scene where Somerset literally buys illegal records in order to catch the

1163
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
guy.

1164
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Yep.

1165
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,680
And he's there and Mills kicks the door in with no warrant and pays a drug addict to

1166
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,000
make up a story.

1167
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Yep.

1168
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Right.

1169
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Messed up scene, man.

1170
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,840
Horrible world where nobody really cares about what's actually happening.

1171
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,000
They're just cared about it being easy, getting through the day, apathy.

1172
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Okay.

1173
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,480
Fincher goes in, fights the good fight, doesn't be apathetic, and then has a cast that go

1174
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,680
through.

1175
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,720
Brad Pitt talks about the rain shoots.

1176
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,480
He just goes, it was miserable, it was dark, it was wet, and you'd go home feeling really

1177
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,880
heavy every day.

1178
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,920
There's no relief.

1179
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,200
You walk out and it's all bad news.

1180
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Really got quite affected by the dark material.

1181
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,920
The meticulousness of John Doe is so much like the meticulousness of Fincher.

1182
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,920
Okay.

1183
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,360
And I feel like they're fighting the sort of injustices of the legal system and the

1184
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,840
rules and the restrictions that are placed on them.

1185
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,880
Fincher's doing the same with the studio system.

1186
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,880
Okay.

1187
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,800
He's got this weird obsessive nature.

1188
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,240
We compare in Fincher to Kevin Spacey in this analogy, right?

1189
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,680
I think Fincher is John Doe.

1190
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Okay.

1191
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:18,880
He's the John Doe of film where he's going there with his meticulous details, his master

1192
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,040
plan going through.

1193
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,320
It's going to be exactly this.

1194
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,360
Morgan Freeman said, we did see some scenes so many times, I just didn't know what he

1195
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,360
wanted.

1196
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,280
But you see it, you understand, it's kind of this relentless pursuit of perfection.

1197
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,280
Okay.

1198
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,120
That you see in John Doe's crimes, you also see in the movie.

1199
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,360
Putting everyone through the wringer.

1200
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,560
Brad Pitt's destroyed his hand.

1201
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Doesn't matter.

1202
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,880
Do you know the take that he destroyed his hand in?

1203
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,880
Fincher didn't use it.

1204
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Oh my God.

1205
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,880
Brad Pitt completed the take.

1206
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:54,680
He does his arm in and then is professional enough to get up and finish the take.

1207
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,680
Oh my God.

1208
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,480
Pointless because Fincher goes, yeah, I'm not using it anyway.

1209
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,160
What a kick in the dick.

1210
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:09,720
What a kick in the penis.

1211
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,000
That sounds stupid.

1212
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:19,520
You have a film about meticulous detail and giving a damn, fighting against a corrupt

1213
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,360
and apathetic system.

1214
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,640
And you have a director who is meticulous and giving a damn, fighting against a corrupt

1215
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,280
and apathetic system.

1216
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,160
I think by your definition, that makes it perfect.

1217
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Well, all right.

1218
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,760
So in this true masterclass of filmmaking, where one of the most hyperviolent films that

1219
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:45,720
exists of all time, containing no onscreen hyperviolence, but is also by my own definition,

1220
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:52,120
which I gave earlier, a perfect film, I can't argue with anything, with anything.

1221
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,680
This is obviously, it has to be a fat 10 for going forward because you've done what you

1222
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,520
said you were going to do and I'm proud of you for it, bud.

1223
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,040
And I think it's only more relevant today than it was on the day of its release.

1224
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,040
It really is.

1225
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,840
Because the world has only got more apathetic.

1226
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320
It's only got worse and darker.

1227
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,640
The good news is this made $327 million.

1228
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,560
It's over 10 times its budget.

1229
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,480
And that's in 1995 money as well.

1230
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,480
So that's like billions.

1231
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Yeah, that's like $309 billion.

1232
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,880
If my math is, if I'm correctly mistaken, I think it's at least $309 billion.

1233
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,080
But that's what surprised me is that's nearly double what Alien 3 made.

1234
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,560
It doesn't surprise me at all.

1235
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,120
It doesn't surprise me at all.

1236
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,080
I thought just the sheer curiosity of people going, oh, Aliens is an incredible film.

1237
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,080
They've made another one.

1238
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,800
I must go to the cinema to see it.

1239
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,440
How did that work out for the Chrome?

1240
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,880
I think they're still, I think they're still, don't even think they've crossed the 10 mil

1241
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,880
line yet.

1242
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:51,880
It's been two weeks, Rob.

1243
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,920
I'm happy that we're covering all these remakes.

1244
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,640
I'm also aware that we're going to be doing the Joker film and its sequel.

1245
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,240
And the reviews are starting to roll in for that.

1246
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,440
We're also going to be doing Gladiator and its sequel.

1247
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,880
And I think we should call this the summer of culture is eating itself and feeding us

1248
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,880
the waste.

1249
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,880
Yes.

1250
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,880
Yeah.

1251
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,480
This is snake eating its own tail.

1252
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,480
I'm down for this, man.

1253
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,000
That's a great, imagine the artwork that's possible there.

1254
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Easy.

1255
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
It's just a circle.

1256
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,760
It's the every movie of a summer of culture is eating itself and feeding itself the waste.

1257
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,840
I've just quickly fact checked myself on the, uh, the crow 2024 numbers.

1258
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,480
They're at 12 million, by the way.

1259
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,480
Sorry.

1260
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,880
They have crossed the 10 million line in two weeks.

1261
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,160
They've earned one fifth of their budget back.

1262
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Yes.

1263
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,440
Would have made more money just getting a loan and sticking it in a high interest account.

1264
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,440
Literally, literally.

1265
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,200
Anyway, do you want to play a game?

1266
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Hit me with it.

1267
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,200
Let's do it.

1268
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,200
There are seven questions.

1269
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,200
I couldn't tell you why.

1270
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,200
Ooh.

1271
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,480
And it's for all the little bits of trivia that you probably got in your research, but

1272
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,600
haven't had time to put in.

1273
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,680
And I wanted to give you a chance to purge.

1274
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Okay.

1275
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,680
Yeah, let's do it.

1276
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,960
What's special about the reporter that snaps Mills' photograph in the corridor?

1277
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:02,960
Piece of cake mate.

1278
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,960
It's dough.

1279
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,960
It's John Doe.

1280
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Yeah.

1281
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,800
But what's special about the guy lingering outside Wild Bill's leather shop?

1282
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,800
It's John Doe.

1283
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,200
It's also John Doe.

1284
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,200
Nice.

1285
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,200
Easy one to start.

1286
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Yeah, easy mate.

1287
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,200
Piece of cake.

1288
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,680
What's special about the scene where Morgan Freeman throws his knife at the dartboard repeatedly?

1289
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Is it his mint at throwing knives?

1290
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Who?

1291
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,040
The character or the actor?

1292
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Yeah.

1293
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Yeah.

1294
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1295
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,040
The actor did it for real.

1296
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,520
Morgan Freeman was given a prop knife and they were like, the balance is off.

1297
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,800
You'll never be able to throw this.

1298
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,800
Just did it.

1299
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,800
Yeah.

1300
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,800
That's in camera.

1301
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,800
No effects.

1302
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,800
Yeah.

1303
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,800
Okay.

1304
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,800
He's incredible.

1305
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,800
What's special about the reaction of the SWAT team member to the sloth victim?

1306
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,160
Well, sloth is the one where he's brain dead.

1307
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,160
Tied to the bed.

1308
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,160
Tied to the bed.

1309
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,160
Yeah, yeah.

1310
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,160
And drugged repeatedly.

1311
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,920
That guy didn't know that the actor was supposed to start moving and stuff.

1312
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,440
So when he got his face real close to him and then the sloth victim started going, ah,

1313
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,080
his reaction was real because no one told him, right?

1314
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Yeah.

1315
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,080
Incredible.

1316
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,840
What's special about that SWAT team member?

1317
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,920
Oh, it's John Doe.

1318
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,840
No, it's not John Doe.

1319
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,200
It's John C. McGinley from Scrubs.

1320
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Is it?

1321
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,200
Oh, it is.

1322
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,200
It's, I almost swore.

1323
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,200
It's Perry Cox.

1324
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,200
Yeah, Cox.

1325
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,600
He's in the heli- he's in the chopper at the end as well.

1326
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,680
I've never noticed that until my third watch through for this.

1327
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,680
I watched this film three times.

1328
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,680
It's not my third one.

1329
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,680
I'm like, that's Dr. Cox.

1330
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,320
I mean, I was like, oh, that's Dr. Cox.

1331
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,600
What's special about Brad Pitt's apartment number?

1332
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:32,160
Uh, it is, I don't know, 69.

1333
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Calligraphy.

1334
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,160
It's in calligraphy.

1335
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,160
It's metal.

1336
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,160
It's silver.

1337
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,160
It's rounded.

1338
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,160
It's odd numbers.

1339
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,640
It's apartment 5A and the fifth cardinal sin is wrath.

1340
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,880
But there's no A in that.

1341
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,200
There's an A in wrath.

1342
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,800
Yeah, but it doesn't begin with an A. That's stupid.

1343
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,400
What was the seventh highest grossing film of 1995?

1344
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,400
Seven.

1345
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,400
Yeah.

1346
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,400
Fun that, innit?

1347
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,520
Yeah, it's a good one.

1348
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,880
There is more plot available for this movie.

1349
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,320
In what form of media?

1350
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,280
Oh, this is quite, this is a tough one, but it's quite easy because I feel like, uh, Wild

1351
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,960
Bill, Martin Serene gave us, gave me an insight to this.

1352
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,320
He said, did you know that I'm in a comic book?

1353
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,520
And I said, hey, what?

1354
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,520
I didn't.

1355
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,960
It was lots of swearing, but I was like, no, that's really cool.

1356
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:25,680
He pulls out copies of the seven comic book in which Wild Bill is, is like imprinted forever.

1357
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,400
Like his character is there.

1358
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Comic book.

1359
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,760
Our mate, Martin Serene played Wild Bill in this film and we sat down with him for a while.

1360
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,080
It was like an hour and a half chatting about the movie.

1361
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,080
That was just chatting.

1362
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,080
We were there all day.

1363
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,760
We literally went to this man's house and just refused to leave for a day.

1364
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,760
Yeah.

1365
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,720
Uh, he was very graceful host.

1366
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:50,800
Uh, he's a very good, very, very good interviewee and uh, he's incredible.

1367
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,680
He let me wear Wild Bill's leather jacket from the film.

1368
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,280
The jacket that Wild Bill's wearing.

1369
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,280
Yes.

1370
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,280
I wore, you wore it too.

1371
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,180
We wore Wild Bill's jacket, dude.

1372
00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:01,180
We did.

1373
00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:02,180
It was incredible.

1374
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:03,180
We didn't get any pictures.

1375
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:04,680
No, we didn't, but it's, you know, I hate myself.

1376
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,240
Let's just go back to his house.

1377
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:08,240
We know where he lives now.

1378
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:13,440
Let's go to our mate's house and just docks all of his private possessions by blasting

1379
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
them on the internet in the back of a photo.

1380
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,440
Let's not do that, Ben.

1381
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,920
Let's instead talk about the fact that that interview is, is shortly available on YouTube.

1382
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Yes.

1383
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,920
Yes, it will be.

1384
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,920
Um, it's fantastic.

1385
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,920
Please go and check it out.

1386
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,400
Martin Serene, you are a shining light in a rainy world full of bleak apathy.

1387
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,780
We love you wholeheartedly.

1388
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:35,760
Thank you so much for entertaining our nonsense for a full day.

1389
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,760
It's a great interview.

1390
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,760
Super fun.

1391
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,760
Lovely guy.

1392
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,760
How did it do in the quiz?

1393
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,760
Did I, did I win?

1394
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,040
No one really wins in seven, mate.

1395
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,720
It has to be a downer ending.

1396
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,280
So you win, but it costs you everything.

1397
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,280
Okay.

1398
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Also, we don't know how many times you swore.

1399
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,120
So I don't think I swore in that.

1400
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,120
Did I swear in the quiz?

1401
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,520
I don't, we don't know.

1402
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,400
Well, we're, we're not counting the listeners.

1403
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,080
I know I lost count a while ago, but it was very early on.

1404
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,240
Right.

1405
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:05,960
Only when I edit do I know how many have actually made it past the edit process.

1406
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,120
So you can edit out swears, right?

1407
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,120
Some.

1408
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Okay.

1409
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,120
What about this one?

1410
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Quack.

1411
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Yeah, that's easy.

1412
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,120
All right.

1413
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,120
Sound.

1414
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,120
Just replace it with like a duck noise or something.

1415
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,120
It sounds like I could.

1416
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,120
Yeah, that should be fine.

1417
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,120
That should be fine.

1418
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,120
What about this one?

1419
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,120
Fuck.

1420
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,120
No, not that one.

1421
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,120
That one's staying in.

1422
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,120
You just doomed us.

1423
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,120
All right.

1424
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,120
That's fine.

1425
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,120
Have we got time for comment corner?

1426
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Yes, we do.

1427
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,120
We do.

1428
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,640
We have a Romulus reel that went, that did quite well.

1429
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,640
Thank you.

1430
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,640
Talking about how it broke Canon and how you didn't particularly enjoy it.

1431
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,640
Yeah.

1432
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:43,920
And I love this reel because it's probably the first taste you've had of being the individual

1433
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,480
target of the internet's hate.

1434
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,480
I love it though.

1435
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,480
I had it with Barry Kiyogan.

1436
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,520
I had it with Marvel phases.

1437
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,520
Yeah.

1438
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,040
You were kind of like in the reel, but not the target of the hate.

1439
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Yeah.

1440
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,040
But I could tell you, I could shield it a bit.

1441
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,040
Yeah.

1442
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,760
Whereas now you are just the damp cookie in the middle of the circle.

1443
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,760
I am the damp cookie.

1444
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,440
The amount of bullying I'm getting, I will come.

1445
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,440
You know what I mean?

1446
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,440
That's all I'm saying.

1447
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,440
Does that count?

1448
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,440
No, that's not a swear word.

1449
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,600
Anyway, it's a medical term.

1450
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,600
Hurry up.

1451
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,640
If you're a doctor, reach out to us.

1452
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,360
I've got some non Instagram comments I really want to read to you.

1453
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,360
All right.

1454
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,360
They're a genuine mystery.

1455
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,880
Listen, on that reel, I mean, this has only happened today, but it's one of my favorite

1456
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,480
interactions that I've had with anyone ever.

1457
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,760
I'll read his part and you read your part.

1458
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,760
How's that?

1459
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,760
Oh, yes, please.

1460
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,920
All right, yeah, let's two for this one.

1461
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,920
Go on.

1462
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,920
So this happened today.

1463
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,200
It's my favorite interaction that we've had in a little while.

1464
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Right.

1465
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,920
You read, you read the part of J.M. Rogers and I will read the part of me, Ben Groves.

1466
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,520
You made the point that sometimes it breaks canon.

1467
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,520
How are they, you know?

1468
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,120
Yeah, I go into a whole thing.

1469
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,520
Fede Alvarez says it doesn't break canon.

1470
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,720
I point out a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense to me.

1471
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,320
I think if you're that upset, you need to grow up.

1472
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,320
Nah, you do.

1473
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,240
I'm not the one crying over canon over the Alien franchise.

1474
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,280
Nah, you do.

1475
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,480
My man, you're just showing how insecure and childish you are now.

1476
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,280
Grow up and move on and get a life.

1477
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,280
Nah, you.

1478
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,280
All right.

1479
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,280
Nailed it.

1480
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,280
Nailed it.

1481
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,600
That's my favorite interactions ever happened.

1482
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,120
Just being sort of actively gone out of their way to be like, you need to grow up.

1483
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,120
Nah, you do.

1484
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,600
Well, you dealt with it maturely.

1485
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Thank you.

1486
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:17,600
And like an adult.

1487
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Thank you.

1488
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,720
I know you've just said that that's your favorite interaction.

1489
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,720
Yes.

1490
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,720
I'm about to.

1491
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Oh, are we topping it?

1492
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Trump it immediately.

1493
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,680
Are we topping it?

1494
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,280
So over on YouTube, we've got a new listener, I think, called Luis Longoria.

1495
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,280
OK.

1496
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,200
They've commented on a couple of things, right?

1497
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,120
So on one of them, one of the reels where I shared about the whip that they dressed

1498
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,120
up as a dog.

1499
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,120
Oh, yeah.

1500
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:45,360
They've commented, are any of you boys left handed not to hang a Dunlop around your neck?

1501
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,800
If you have the black hand, you can't kiss the bricks.

1502
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,160
What?

1503
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Right.

1504
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,920
So then there's also another YouTube short about...

1505
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,160
Ben, Ben, we're getting there.

1506
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,000
There's a whole picture here, right?

1507
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,000
OK.

1508
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,320
On one of the reels about Pearl, where I ask if it's one of the best films of the trilogy.

1509
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,600
Have you Art History Major Blue Boys covered Attack of the Killer Tomatoes yet?

1510
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,520
Frankly, I'm surprised 300 wasn't filmed in Gaelic like kneecap.

1511
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,520
Right?

1512
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:27,040
He calls them blue collar, Art History Major Blue Boys.

1513
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,680
And then the third and final one, and I do need your help with this one.

1514
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,680
OK.

1515
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,280
Because there is meaning in that, I think.

1516
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,280
OK.

1517
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,400
I was asking what links John Wick and the Crow is to do with Chad Stahelski and how

1518
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,360
he was Brandon Lee's stuntman.

1519
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,360
Yeah.

1520
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,280
And then Angoria commented, What happened to James Pumphrey?

1521
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:54,640
Well, the Hoonigans didn't want to go all James Charles like the Stradman or Shmee 150,

1522
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,720
so I surmise he went to Stellantis to ram a screwy straight six down our throats.

1523
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:08,880
I liked Judas Priest as much as anyone, but Riddley Scott ate Diddley Squat Farms.

1524
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,760
I don't know if you should have read that one out loud because I feel like you've just

1525
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,520
released a curse somewhere.

1526
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:23,000
So, A, Luis, Luis, whoever you are.

1527
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Yeah.

1528
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Fantastic job.

1529
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,000
Great.

1530
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,680
Continue everything that you're doing.

1531
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:28,680
Love it.

1532
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,680
Yeah.

1533
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Big fan.

1534
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:31,680
10 out of 10 would recommend.

1535
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,680
Yeah.

1536
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:38,240
I'm going to actually reply to these comments shortly and just let them know that we've

1537
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,320
responded here.

1538
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,320
Please do.

1539
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,320
It might be my favorite comments.

1540
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,920
The third one just sounded like it might have been a stroke.

1541
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,880
It was just ham-fisting the keyboard whilst actively stroking.

1542
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,120
Careful because that might be it and I would hate for you to be right.

1543
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,000
What are you going to rate seven, Ben?

1544
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,000
Fat 10.

1545
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,960
I can't get out of it.

1546
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,320
You've argued me into a fat 10.

1547
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,360
It was going to be a nine, but you've literally hands down proved that it is, by my definition,

1548
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,360
a perfect film.

1549
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,360
Thank you.

1550
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,840
I'm really interested to see where our Fincher series goes from here because there are some

1551
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,960
that I think you think you hate that you're going to love and there are some that I think

1552
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,200
you think you love that I'm going to make you hate.

1553
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,200
Yeah.

1554
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,200
It's going to be Nolan all over again.

1555
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,560
I'm going to be like, I've watched five of his films and then all of a sudden now it's,

1556
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,240
oh my God, I love Dunkirk.

1557
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,640
You know what I mean?

1558
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,360
Maybe Batman isn't that bad.

1559
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,640
It still shocks me that Dunkirk is your favorite Christopher Nolan movie.

1560
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,640
It got me, man.

1561
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,880
It hit me so hard on so many levels.

1562
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:34,880
It's the one.

1563
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,440
That and Interstellar, the one.

1564
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,440
Brilliant.

1565
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,040
That's all the time we've got for this week, unfortunately, but please do go and check

1566
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,440
out our Martin Serene interview over on YouTube.

1567
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,520
He is a fantastic human being.

1568
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,000
He's wild Bill in seven.

1569
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,440
He's in the movie that we just spoke about.

1570
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,440
He's incredible.

1571
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:53,440
He's in a perfect film.

1572
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,520
He's in, he's literally in a perfect film.

1573
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:03,760
I cannot tell you how rarefied and incredibly hard to breathe that air is.

1574
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:04,760
Yeah.

1575
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,120
And we went and sat in his living room and chatted with him for a bit, for a bit, but

1576
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,200
we love, go and check it out on, go and check out on YouTube.

1577
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,920
It's super fun.

1578
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,360
It took me ages to edit.

1579
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,320
There's no, there's no reason that it's just more me stroking myself off a little bit.

1580
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,320
You know what I mean?

1581
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,320
With my left hand, Lewis.

1582
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,320
Yeah.

1583
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,320
I'm, I'm kissing the bricks.

1584
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,320
I don't know what it means.

1585
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,320
Kissing the bricks.

1586
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,320
I don't know what it means.

1587
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,320
What does it mean?

1588
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,320
All right.

1589
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,800
Well, we love each and every one of you so very much.

1590
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,920
Thank you again for spending time with us this week.

1591
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,900
It means the absolute world to us.

1592
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:40,480
That is the hardest part of the show to say without any swear words because that's been

1593
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,280
there for about 120 episodes now.

1594
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,280
Cause we really effin do.

1595
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,280
Yeah.

1596
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,280
We heckin do.

1597
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,280
We heckin do.

1598
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,280
Frig loves ya.

1599
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,280
Frig yeah buddy.

1600
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:55,400
Ben is now going to wrap up the thoughts, themes and feelings of this perfect film

1601
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,200
into a little Monday motivational pep talk to thank you for spending an hour of your

1602
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,480
week with us, especially at the start of the week.

1603
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:07,800
I'm going to tell you to do what society always tells you to do and just tell you to consume.

1604
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,160
I'm going to mirror, I'm going to mirror Andrew in this one.

1605
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,480
The, uh, the writer of seven.

1606
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:12,480
Yeah.

1607
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,480
All right.

1608
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,920
Someone's trying to change your hard work and someone's trying to change your vision

1609
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,800
because to make it more palatable for the masses.

1610
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,800
Yeah.

1611
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,080
This is more sellable and yet you could stand up for yourself.

1612
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,080
You could have a backbone.

1613
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:27,440
You could be like, nah, mate, nah, mate, or you could just bank on David Fincher getting

1614
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,400
sent the wrong script from an intern that, you know, didn't really know what they were

1615
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,720
doing and then your dreams coming true and everything turning out great.

1616
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,640
So I think what I'm saying is just eat, eat the shit sandwich.

1617
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,640
All right.

1618
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,040
Just gobble it down and shut up cause Finch just French is a prowling.

1619
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,040
He's a common.

1620
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,480
I think I swore in that.

1621
01:02:47,480 --> 01:03:04,040
God damn it.